gb news. >> good morning. 930 on wednesday, the 5th of june. this is britain's newsroom on gb news with andrew pierce and bev turner. >> thank you forjoining us. so d—day commemorations begin. the king, queen and prime minister in portsmouth today for an event marking the 80th anniversary of the normandy landings. >> it's going to be plenty of events in normandy, too, to pay respect to our fallen heroes . respect to our fallen heroes. >> and starmer on the ropes. the prime minister and sir keir starmer clashed over tax the nhs and immigration last night in the first tv debate of the election campaign . was there election campaign. was there really any winner.7 what do you make of it.7 >> and do you remember those runaway horses? well we've got some great news about three of the household cavalry horses

that were injured after they bolted through central london in april. so stay tuned for that . april. so stay tuned for that. i think is really significant about portsmouth and then normandy. tomorrow. the king is leading the world in these celebrations. this is the his first international event since his diagnosis of cancer. so i think that's really significant. >> it really is isn't it? >> it really is isn't it? >> very important. and talking about people who are leading the world. nigel farage of course, got a milkshake in his face yesterday. we're going to be looking at the fallout from that. and also richard tice is going to be here in the studio. of course, of reform party. he's not happy with you, apparently, which andrew's written a piece in the mail today explaining how nigel managed to take over the head of the reform party. you don't want to miss that. they're going to be having a very frank debate about it. gbnews.com/yoursay say to let us know your thoughts this morning. first, though, your very latest news with sophia wenzler .

news with sophia wenzler. >> bev. thank you. >> bev. thank you. >> good morning. it's 930. i'm sophia wenzler in the gb newsroom . the conservatives are newsroom. the conservatives are standing by rishi sunak's claim that labour would raise taxes if sir keir starmer became prime minister. labour insists the claim is a lie. it comes as both leaders traded blows on the economy, the nhs and immigration as they faced off in the first tv debate of the 2024 election campaign . rishi sunak claimed campaign. rishi sunak claimed sir keir starmer would raid pension pots and hike taxes by £2,000 per household. but the leader's differences will be put to one side as the d—day normandy landings are remembered. the nation is coming together today in portsmouth to honour troops who crossed the channel 80 years ago as they headed into the battle of a lifetime. both prime minister rishi sunak and sir keir starmer will attend the uk's national commemorative event in portsmouth alongside the king, the queen and the prince of wales and armed forces veterans .

wales and armed forces veterans. meanwhile, across the channel normandy prepares to honour the d—day legacy and us president joe biden has arrived to take part in the commemoration. us and the first banknotes carrying the portrait of king charles will go into circulation today, notes that feature queen elizabeth ii will remain legal tender and co—circulate alongside the king. the new ones will only be printed to replace those that are worn, or to meet an overall increase in demand. in order to minimise the environmental and financial impact of the change. and for the latest stories, sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen or go to gb news common alerts. now it's back to andrew and . bev. back to andrew and. bev. >> very good morning. this is britain's newsroom. we are just digesting our sausage rolls that we stole from eamonn holmes. very nice. it was as well.

>> probably worth 14. >> probably worth 14. >> i don't think he even eamonn could eat that many. >> oh thank you forjoining us. >> oh thank you for joining us. it's 933. so the prime minister and the labour leader, sir keir starmer, faced off in a last night's tv debates, the first of the general election campaign. they clashed on tax, immigration and the state of the nhs. who did you think came out on top? >> andrew i'll tell you what i think. >> i tell you what, i think sunak won because he managed to land the blow that he wanted to, that if you vote labour, you're going to get a big tax bill. and it took nearly. it was about halfway through the through the debate or even longer before starmer finally said these figures aren't right. why didn't he challenge it immediately? so he challenge it immediately? so he had a free run on tax, which is why the headlines labour accused on tax in the time telegraph starmer on the ropes on tax because this is about the £2,000 extra tax that sunak was saying that people would pay unden >> labour is actually over four years. it is. i don't know why keir starmer didn't say that. why didn't he say it might be that you have to pay that, but it's over four years. and if that means you get better public services, if that means you can

see your nhs, it might be that you'd be prepared to pay that well. >> he was flat footed and leaden. and when you consider he's the lawyer and you start. sunak has been prime minister for nearly two years now. but i think that's starmer went sunak wanted to label him as the high tax man, and he succeeded in that respect. although, of course, the moment when the audience laughed was that sunak over nhs waiting lists and national service. >> yeah. and national service as well. when he said about national service policy, the audience laughed like that was a bit of a joke. yeah, neither of them, i didn't think, were deeply impressive. did you ? deeply impressive. did you? gbnews.com/yoursay and i got a little irritated , i have to say, little irritated, i have to say, with julie etchingham trying to calm them down. let's be civil. lower your voices. no, let them at it. we want to see what they like under pressure. let them take. it was a was a bit like mum at the dinner table, wasn't it? >> saying the two kids were you? lower your voices. yes. >> well, let's use our indoor voices. it's kind of what you're saying. yeah, exactly. anyway, we want to know what you think. gbnews.com/yoursay. so portsmouth is taking centre stage this morning for the 80th anniversary of d—day commemorations. >> king charles and queen

camilla will attend the event marking the normandy landings along with high profile politicians, including the prime minister and leader of the opposition. >> so let's cross live now to our home security editor mark white, who is there this morning. mark, what have you got for us? >> yes. good morning. an absolutely beautiful day here in southsea. it wasn't quite as beautiful yesterday, but the sun has really come out shining today. just perfect for the veterans for this special event to mark the 80th anniversary of d—day. and we're very privileged to be able to speak to the chief of the general staff, the british army general sir patrick sanders, general, british army general sir patrick sanders, general , thank you very sanders, general, thank you very much indeed for speaking to us. just how special is this? we thought the 75th anniversary would effectively be the last hurrah for these veterans. >> thanks , mark. well, it's >> thanks, mark. well, it's fabulous to be here. and as you say, the weather rather contradicts what happened in history because of course this so nearly didn't happen 80 years ago. and the gamble that

eisenhower took with the weather paid off. but it was a very, very different set of circumstances 80 years ago. and what always strikes me about these events is that this is living memory. these events is that this is living memory . you know, people living memory. you know, people who took part are alive today . who took part are alive today. and for many of the younger generation, this feels like ancient history . and of course, ancient history. and of course, it's not. you know, it really happened.so it's not. you know, it really happened. so it's fantastic to be able to share it with the veterans who took part. but it's also important that all of us as also important that all of us as a nation remembers the courage, the sacrifice. but the extraordinary national endeavour that went into this, you know, the largest amphibious operation in history , it was, as you say, in history, it was, as you say, an extraordinary amphibious operation, supported, of course, by the raf, the army, the spearhead of this going on to those beaches, the biggest, compound part, the british military in the d—day on operations. >> but getting on to those five beaches, that was only the start of it. it was a really difficult campaign for their own to take on the germans in their dug in

positions. >> yeah. and it's also before we talk about normandy and the normandy campaign, it's worth remembering that as this was going on, we had just had the end of the battle for monte cassino, the battle for rome. so you had a british army, an allied army, fighting its way all the way up italy. so there was there was terrible fighting going on right across europe for the soldiers going ashore, and indeed the air crew that made this possible. and the sailors who had to negotiate mines , who had to negotiate mines, you've got to put yourself in their shoes and imagine what it feels like on the eve of this great battle, this great endeavour, and the fear that must have been in their stomach, the nervousness, the anticipation. and then once they got ashore, they had to deal with the battle for caen, a terrible urban fighting. they had to fight their way through what was called the bocage. so there's very, very close country of hedges, a small hills in normandy with the germans incredibly well prepared with their defences . and we took their defences. and we took terrible, terrible levels of casualties over the course of the two months of that fighting

before we finally get to the battle of falaise. and we've conquered . we've won the battle. conquered. we've won the battle. >> yeah. i mean, the attrition rate, i think in terms of casualties was equivalent to world war one in terms of what we were seeing in those two months. yeah, yeah . months. yeah, yeah. >> i mean, it was very, very tough, difficult fighting and you know, for the first few days it was nip and tuck. you know, we got 150,000 people onto five beachesin we got 150,000 people onto five beaches in the first 24 hours, but there was no guarantee that we would we would be able to stay there. and an amphibious operation is at its most perilous, its most vulnerable. when you've got that foothold , when you've got that foothold, but you haven't been able to expand the bridgehead so you can defend it. so it was desperate fighting for the first few days. >> and it is really humbling, isn't it , to listen to the isn't it, to listen to the stories of these men now in their late 90s, some over 100, infirm clearly because of their age, but so absolutely vivid in

what they remember from those times. yeah. >> and when you talk to them, you feel the sense of pride in their achievement, their generation of achievement coming off them. but what i find is the sense of compassion and loss as well, because of course , as well, because of course, as soldiers, we remember those who who didn't make it, those people that we left behind, those people who are forever young. and that's often the way those are the people that the veterans celebrate and honour, and that's why they want to be here in southsea and in normandy later on today. >> and, you know, how important is it to remember the events not just for themselves, but because, you know, there's added resonance for where we are now in terms of the world. it's a much less safe place. in recent years , we've got wars raging in years, we've got wars raging in ukraine, the wars in the middle east, a belligerent china and the like . you know, the world is the like. you know, the world is facing some difficult challenges in the years ahead. yeah.

>> and it's worth reminding. i mean, that's why it's so important to remember that, you know, as you say, the army might have been at the tip of the spean have been at the tip of the spear, as was the air force and the navy. but behind that you had a whole of nation effort. i mean, d—day, all of the operations that we conducted in the second world war were operations that were underpinned by the whole of the nation. so armies might win. by the whole of the nation. so armies might win . battles might armies might win. battles might be the first ones to start a fighting in a war, but it's nafions fighting in a war, but it's nations that win wars . and we nations that win wars. and we need to get ourselves into a position where we recall that it is cheaper and better to be prepared for war and avoid war by being prepared, rather than having to fight one, and so investing in defence and making sure that we increase our national preparedness feels like the right thing to do in these dangerous times. well of course, these veterans know more than most. >> they the need to be prepared to take on an aggressive enemy

such as germany. then is this, do you think, likely to be the last time that we see a major d—day commemoration with significant veteran involvement ? significant veteran involvement? >> well, we said that on the 75th anniversary five years ago, didn't we? and here we are, i mean, i think the reality is that it's unlikely we're going to have many surviving d—day veterans for much longer. so i intend to focus on today on celebrating their achievements and for the nation to pay our respects to them. >> okay. general. sir patrick sanders, we really appreciate you spending a few minutes with us to reflect on this special day. thank you very much. and as i say, just, the chief of the general staff there, just one of, some very, senior military personnel who will be here alongside the civilian vips. of course, we've got the king and the queen, the prince of wales and the senior politicians, including the prime minister and

the leader of the opposition for that event, that takes place in, what, just over an hour's time from now. so a really special couple of hours ahead as about 20 of those veterans will be welcomed here to commemorate the events that they saw 80 years ago. >> okay. thank you so much. mark. mark right there. what a beautiful day down there as well. >> extraordinary, isn't it, to think 80 years on they're still with us. >> yeah, they're amazing aren't they? none of this snowflake. i'm having a tough day. i need a day off because life is difficult. honestly. let's cross live now to normandy and speak to our reporter sophie reaper, good morning . sophie. there on good morning. sophie. there on the shoreline. from what i can see, what's happening there today. >> well, a very good morning to you both. it's really rather a beautiful day here in arromanches, on the normandy coastline. as well. just over here. we're on gold beach today. one of the five beaches that was are taken on d—day. over to the

left you would find along that part of the coastline. you would find omaha and utah beach , which find omaha and utah beach, which were the two beaches stormed by american troops . then if you american troops. then if you follow the coastline along, you would come to juno beach, which was the beach stormed by canadians , as well as sword canadians, as well as sword beach, which along with this beach here at gold, were the two beaches stormed by our very own british troops. now, here in arromanches, it's really quite a special place. it played a very special place. it played a very special part in d—day and that is because it was where the mulberry harbour, an artificial port, was installed and that you can still see some of the remnants of the mulberry harbour along the coastline, just in the channel there in the distance. and that played an incredible part in d—day, because it allowed over 9000 tons of material to be delivered to the beaches every single day. once d—day had commenced. so it played a really important role in in helping our troops land on

d—day and continue training, trying to take it back from those nazi forces . now, today in those nazi forces. now, today in arromanches, as has been throughout the rest of the week, we will be seeing thousands and thousands of people descending upon this beach, as well as the other beaches along the normandy coastline. today. it's our understanding that there's going to be a recreation here on gold beach. to be a recreation here on gold beach . we can't actually show beach. we can't actually show you the beach at the minute because the tide is right in, but you can see thousands of people already starting to gathering here along arromanches. prepare for that as they they celebrate and commemorate d—day in their own unique and special way. >> thank you sophie. we're quite jealous , aren't we, that they jealous, aren't we, that they are extraordinary out there in the sunshine, celebrating with those amazing people. >> part of history. yeah. and it's going to be like no other because they're not going to get to the 90th, are they. these these wonderful these men. and

let's not forget the women involved too. some of those fabulous women that we've been talking to here on gb news are involved, particularly in the intelligence corps at bletchley park and other such places . park and other such places. >> right. still to come. don't go anywhere. it's been a busy few days for the chairman reform uk, richard we've got some questions for him. next. this

gb news. >> joining us in the studio is the newly deposed leader of reform uk, richard tice, who now has the grand title of chairman. which you gave you that title, richard? well, it's the members. give you that. do the members give you that title? absolutely. i'm on top form. >> i've been roaring with laughter all morning. >> good. >> good. >> because the thing is, when it's great, when you read about yourself. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> and it's even funnier when it's written by someone who claims to be a serious journalist. personally >> abuse richard gets you nowhere. >> you've had your say. yeah. when when actually, the

information contained therein is so inaccurate . if it had been so inaccurate. if it had been written by one of your trainees, you'd have fired them, right? so let's just run through it. okay. so, you said i was blindsided. yeah, we've been talking about this for months. >> when did he tell you? okay. >> when did he tell you? okay. >> you said it was a coup. when did he agreed this? >> it was. when did he tell you? >> it was. when did he tell you? >> we talked about it. >> we talked about it. >> when did he tell you? >> when did he tell you? >> richard, write. your details are all completely wrong, right? okay, so, first of all, we agreed this months ago, right? i've been urging him to do it. so it was just a matter of timing and when. okay. right you then said, that i was in skegness. then said, that i was in skegness . no, i wasn't, i was in skegness. no, i wasn't, i was in london. right, right. you said that , ben london. right, right. you said that, ben habib was rushed back to be there. ben wasn't there, right. i was in london. yeah. you then said that, in a sense, we were astounded. we had agreed it. i had been urging. >> when did he tell you we agreed it. >> when did he tell you? and i was urging him to push on to change the decision. i urged, and the great thing is when we

actually went to it, we talked about it on friday, we talked about it on friday, we talked about it on saturday. we knew we had to get on with it. yeah. and so it was great. the only thing is. and you saw it yesterday actually, which is the key thing that was holding back the decision was actually i think security and you saw it yesterday about the security and that was disgraceful and that was disgraceful. so but the point is, if you're going to write stuff based on sources, surely a good journalist would make it accurate if there's ten separate bits in the paper in the first column, that's completely inaccurate. andrew richard, surely the thing to do if you're that inaccurate isn't the thing to do to apologise. >> no, no, richard, the point about this story is this you don't work for a political party you run. it's a company. what other political party can have a leadership change on the say so of one person? was the membership consulted? no were the other people were members of the other people were members of the party? was ben obe the deputy? because it is the whole point. so nigel farage owns reform uk. richard. hang on.

nigel farage owns reform uk. it is a hang on. richard. >> andrew. richard you can't richard coote. richard. if it's been you've had your say people. >> richard 53% of reform uk is owned by nigel farage. no other political party in europe operates like that. >> no other political. it is a company, no other political party. it is a company achieved our success. so the reason for that do you are you comfortable? >> are you comfortable with the with nigel farage owning reform? >> i'm thrilled to bits 53% share. why do you think he calls the shots just like that? because why do you think we've been so successful? >> have you been how many counters have you got. >> we've got we've gone from. how many counters have you got, andrew. we've gone from nought. >> how many cancers in percent in three years. how many members have you got? >> we are terrifying the tories right. so let's answer i'm going to come back to how many counters have you got? it's irrelevant. >> it's irrelevant. how many members have you got, richard? >> we've terrified the tories. >> we've terrified the tories. >> how many members have you got? you won't answer basic questions. >> how many members have we got? yeah, we've got tens of thousands. how many, richard? how many in the. since monday

we've had over 6000. >> how many members have you got the thing is, andrew, you won't tell us. it is not a proper democratic, transparent political party. how can you say it is a company? it is a company listed at companies house, run by one man who's a shareholder party. and you're a the company's house. it is andrew rishi sunak is not. >> you're supposed to be rishi sunak, but you can't get anything. >> rishi sunak is not a 53% shareholder of the tory party. >> rishi sunak was not appointed by his members. andrew, i'm sorry to say, if you're going to be a serious journalist, you've got to be accurate in what you write, let me just i mean, it's hysterical, right? it's like a comic piece. >> let me just ask this because doesit >> let me just ask this because does it matter to the voting pubuc does it matter to the voting public whether you are a company? not at all, or whether you are not at all an old fashion? >> only the terrified tory party. it makes no difference at all. it's only the terrified tories who are struggling with the concept that actually we've got real conservative values , got real conservative values, we've got the people on our side, millions of people are saying, and something's happening out there. millions are saying, i want another

choice. there it is. that's great. i like what they're saying. they tell it as it is and i'm going to vote for them and i'm going to vote for them andifs and i'm going to vote for them and it's going to be extraordinary. and what the tories are not going to like is when we get close to them in the polls and potentially on polling day, get as many votes cast or potentially more. and that's the extraordinary opportunity and that's the joy of democracy. >> look, we heard that in 2015 with ukip and you had 4 million votes and you got one mp. >> nigel's going to stand in a seat. you're standing in a seat. ben habib is standing in a seat. what are the quality of your other candidates like? because they have to win people over on they have to win people over on the doorstep. absolutely. >> and look in in any political party you will have candidates that people know. you'll have great candidates, you'll have good candidates. we're a relatively new party, but actually what people are voting for, they're voting for change. and that's why because people recognise the status quo is high taxes , big states, mass taxes, big states, mass immigration, and people don't want it. and that's why that's why people are saying, what else is out there? here's the other thing, andrew. >> how much more are you going

to lend the party? >> we've got thousands members. >> we've got thousands members. >> you haven't told us how many members you have. the loans are there 1.4, 1.4 million if nigel so inaccurate. >> is your detail 1.4 million. >> is your detail 1.4 million. >> is your detail 1.4 million. >> is it 2.4 million? >> is it 2.4 million? >> andrew. so inaccurate is your detail. yeah. right. you're 30% wrong. right. and i haven't lent anything to the party since 2022. so if you're going to be a journey. >> no, i said no, richard. i said at the end of 20 no, no, you can be as abusive as you like. comedian richard. i said quite clearly at the end of last yean quite clearly at the end of last year, your, your the party owed you 1.4 million. why haven't you made it as a donation again? >> don't you trust them? andrew? >> don't you trust them? andrew? >> can you take the money back at any time? >> it's your. you're well over 30. >> this is a plaything for you and farage, isn't it? reform. this is a it's a plaything. >> political. >> political. >> it is not. well, why don't you run it as a proper political party with a proper constitution? then we know how many members there are members who have a say, members who have a say in policy. >> have you have you read our constitution? we have a constitution. we have members. but the problem is, why don't you tell us how many write gossip and jokes? you don't

write a serious. you tell us how many serious information. why don't you tell? >> it's embarrassing. why don't you tell us how many members you've got? >> we've got. we've had over 6000, right? just literally in the last two days. how many of the last two days. how many of the tories mark when, how, when did the tories last tell you how many members they've got? >> i thought you were trying to do things differently to the tories, richard. so you can't try and compare us to the existing labour would say labour would tell you they've got 450,000. the liberals will tell you they've got 250,000. why don't you tell somebody you've got, we've got tens of thousands of members. >> we'll confirm it when we're ready. what made nigel change his mind from i'm not going to stand, because america is as important as here to changing his mind. look, as he's absolutely rightly said, sunak jumped to the election because he was worried about the rise of reform and because he was worried that rwanda wouldn't be a deterrent. and the judgement for nigel was was , do we go for for nigel was was, do we go for it full steam ahead. we'd agreed the plan ages ago. it was all about timing. and then he said yes, no do i, don't i? and here's the other thing. so we knew from early january about the polling in the particular constituency because that was all over the sunday, said, oh, there's another area of yours. you said it was in february. it

wasn't in secret. it was in january. yeah look, the reality is, when we were campaigning last week in on friday, the noise and the enthused

here? chairman of reform. well, what do we call you now ? chairman, do we call you now? chairman, you are the chairman. >> are you a chair or are you a chair? >> no, i'm a chairman. >> no, i'm a chairman. >> very good to hear. a woman is very clever, man. >> let's ask. yes, i certainly do. let's ask you about the unacceptable face of campaigning. yesterday, when farage was not for the first time attacked by a woman with a milkshake. richard, that could have been much more serious. >> it's horrific. it happens in 2019, when we were in newcastle, i think it was, and it is very

scary because you don't know what it is. and obviously the fear is it's, it's, you know, something dangerous, something chemical . so something dangerous, something chemical. so it is it's a very scary moment. and the impact of it's why it's such a difficult decision for someone like to nigel say, i want to, i want to go for this again because you've got all of that and it's bad news for democracy. if well—known people are, then, well—known people are, then, well , terrified, not terrified, well, terrified, not terrified, but are essentially prevented from campaigning because everyone won't necessarily have seen what happened yesterday. >> let's just let's just show people at home what happened tonight in clacton yesterday. >> my milkshake brings all the people to the rally. >> that was nigel's tiktok response . and that is where he response. and that is where he is different to everybody else. because do you know what my teenagers said last night? nigel farage is so cool, mummy. i saw the tiktok that he did where he got the milkshake in his face. thatis got the milkshake in his face. that is so different to how sunak and starmer would

responded to that completely. >> because what you don't know when it happens at the moment is do you wipe it away? do you dab it away? what is it? is it acid? those are all the sort of. yeah. and so yeah, it's a scary thing and i think people should respect that. and we're very grateful that i think both sunak and was it yvette cooper. yeah. they waited in parties. yeah you know condemned the activity. the actions and it should be condemned. and frankly i mean you know just whoever she is just a juvenile moron. the thing is actually, we will get hundreds of thousands of more votes on just, you know , based votes on just, you know, based on the fact that people think this is wrong. this is not to how conduct a democratic debate. >> and there is suspicion that she is attached to sympathy with the labour party. but the worry about this, richard, is that some politicians who don't really want to engage with the pubuc really want to engage with the public like farage does, will think they can withdraw. >> yeah , and that's terrible. no >> yeah, and that's terrible. no one, no one benefits from that because there are too many people who already think, well, inever people who already think, well, i never see my mps. do i trust them? they don't do what we ask them? they don't do what we ask them to do. and so people

withdraw and are less accessible , and then that problem becomes even greater. and, you know, we have seen two murders in recent years, tragically , of mps, not years, tragically, of mps, not well known, mps well loved mps, of course. and so it's, it's very grim , it's very tough and i very grim, it's very tough and i know that that's why actually it's been you know, it's been such a big monumental decision to say, yeah, i'm going to go back on the front line, commit for a period of time and go for it. and it's a real thing. and that's, that's why the whole standing thing is so significant. it's one thing doing an air war, it's another thing standing right on the front line. >> we'll see. all right. yesterday after that milkshake, was he was he shaken up by it? yes >> nigel farage obviously everybody's, you know, shaken up, but but you know, once you know, it's not acid, you've just got to push on. and you saw him brilliantly enjoying milkshake. >> and if you've been he turns adversity to his advantage. if you've been that divisive and that unpopular for so long, nothing touches you. i mean, metaphorically, he's fearless. and that's where he's different.

>> but the popularity is changing. so rapidly. and that's what we saw on friday and saturday. and that was really influential and very exciting. >> richard tice good to see you. right >> as you heard, nigel farage will stand as reforms uk candidate in clacton . so we will candidate in clacton. so we will give you the full list of those who have declared so far. giovanna wasu, nepal from the labour party, giles watling from the conservative party, i can't matthew bensalem from liberal democrats, nigel farage from reform uk and natasha osborne of the green party. >> and there may be more candidates because the deadline isn't until later this week and gb news has extended an interview to all of those candidates right, let's get your headlines. sophia wenzler is here with the . news. here with the. news. >> bev, thank you. from the gb newsroom at 10:04, your top story this hour, the conservative are standing by rishi sunak's claim that labour would raise taxes if sir keir starmer became prime minister. labour insists the claim is a

lie. it comes as both leaders traded blows on the economy and immigration as they faced off in the first tv debate of the 2024 election campaign. rishi sunak claimed sir keir starmer would raid pension pots and hike taxes by £2,000 per household. the cost of living also came up, as did the nhs, which sir keir starmer said is broken. >> it's unforgivable. what's happened to the nhs and to come into power for 14 years and leave the nhs in a worse state than when you found it, is unforgivable in politics. and rishi sunak stood 18 months ago. janet and said that those waiting lists, which are now nearly 8 million, he said he'd get them down. he'd made a promise , he said he'd be held promise, he said he'd be held accountable. they were 7.2 million at the time. now they're 7.5 million, so they've gone up. and that bears down on the nhs . and that bears down on the nhs. >> meanwhile, energy secretary claire coutinho reiterated the prime minister's message keir starmer couldn't do is he

couldn't rule out the fact that his policies, as set out by the labour party, would cost families £2,000 in extra taxes . families £2,000 in extra taxes. >> and he couldn't rule out the fact that pensioners, for the first time under labour plans, would have to pay tax on their state pension next year. and actually that's the substance of what people are choosing between. and i really thought actually it was quite shocking that on all of those major issues, keir starmer was woolly. he didn't have any clear plans or proposals to address some of the challenges that the country is facing , but the leader's is facing, but the leader's differences will be put to one side as the d—day normandy landings are remembered. >> the nation is coming together today in portsmouth to honour troops who crossed the channel 80 years ago as they headed into the battle of a lifetime. both prime minister rishi sunak and sir keir starmer will attend the uk's national commemoration eventin uk's national commemoration event in portsmouth alongside the king, queen and prince of wales and armed forces veterans. meanwhile, across the channel,

normandy prepares to honour the d—day legacy and us president joe biden has arrived to take part in the commemorations. chief of the general staff sir patrick sanders, who is in portsmouth, has told gb news about the jeopardy of d—day. >> so nearly didn't happen 80 years ago, and the gamble that eisenhower took with the weather paid off. but it was a very, very different set of circumstances 80 years ago. and what always strikes me about these events is that this is living memory. you know, people who took part are alive today. and for many of the younger generation, this feels like ancient history. and of course, it's not. you know, it really happened.so it's not. you know, it really happened. so it's fantastic to be able to share it with the veterans who took part. but it's also important that all of us as also important that all of us as a nation remembers the courage, the sacrifice , the extraordinary the sacrifice, the extraordinary national endeavour that went into this , the largest into this, the largest amphibious operation in history. >> in other news, first minister of wales has insisted he is feeling confident about winning the vote of no confidence he

faces in the senate later today. welsh conservatives tabled a motion of no confidence in vaughan gething following the collapse of the co—operation deal between labour and plaid cymru and a series of rows. concerns were raised after mr gething accepted a donation from a man convicted, convicted of environmental offences. mr gething has also refused to show any evidence to explain why he sacked senedd member hannah blythe from his government, after he accused her of leaking messages to the media and the first banknotes carrying the portrait of king charles will go into circulation today. notes that feature queen elizabeth ii will remain legal tender and co—circulate alongside the king. the new ones will only be printed to replace those that are worn, or to meet any overall increase in demand. in order to minimise the environmental and financial impact of the change. and for the latest stories, sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen or go to gb news. com slash alerts now

it's back to andrew and . bev. it's back to andrew and. bev. >> it's 1008 with britain's newsroom on gb news with andrew pierce and bev turner. we are on the eve, of course, of d—day celebrations, which is why rishi sunak and keir starmer are taking a break from their election campaigning. that's a relief for us too. >> i bet they're delighted because they could be joining the king later this morning in marking the 80th anniversary of d—day on the south coast of england. >> so let's cross the live now to our home security editor, mark white, who is in portsmouth. >> what's happening there, mark? beautiful day . beautiful day. >> yes, absolutely. the excitement really building here and the crowds are already gathering awaiting, of course , gathering awaiting, of course, the arrival of his majesty the king and queen, and of course, the prince of wales, as well as the prince of wales, as well as the many other vips, including the many other vips, including the prime minister and the leader of the opposition, for what will be a very emotional

but very uplifting as well. commemoration. celebrating the role that these veterans played in world war ii and 20 of those veterans will be here in portsmouth for this commemoration . seven others, commemoration. seven others, dozens of others have headed across to normandy for the other commemoration events, taking place on the other side of the channel. we've been speaking all morning to senior military figures who have come to our position here in southsea , and position here in southsea, and just a few minutes ago i spoke to the head of the raf, air chief marshal sir rich knighton , chief marshal sir rich knighton, and he really outlined the vital role that the raf played in this campaign because it wasn't just a massive maritime operation , it a massive maritime operation, it was also launched from the air as well. >> yeah . and the run up to the >> yeah. and the run up to the 6th of june, it was imperative that the british and our allies were able to degrade the nazi

germany's forces in northern europe. and over that period , europe. and over that period, running up to the 6th of june, something like 200,000 tons of bombs were dropped over northern france. there were 2000 aircraft lost, 8000 crew were killed and of course , because we didn't of course, because we didn't want to signal where the invasion was going to take place, for every one sortie that was taken took place over the beaches around normandy , where beaches around normandy, where we did land. the two had to be taken elsewhere to help reinforce to germany the idea that the allies weren't going to invade where they actually did. so it was a vital, vital role that the air force played in preparing the ground for a successful invasion. >> absolutely. and that worked because germany had to divide its forces right down that northern coast of france, because he just still, right up until d—day , didn't know where until d—day, didn't know where the allied troops were going to land. the allied troops were going to land . and as i say, part of that land. and as i say, part of that very much to down the effort of

those brave crews. >> absolutely. i mean, i'm marvel at the organisation to actually mount the operation on the 6th of june, but the planning went back many years before. and of course, it was ultimately those men on the ground, on the sea and in the air who put their lives on the line to invade europe and free it of the tyranny of nazi germany and it's wonderful to have the opportunity eight years to on remember all those who served and all those who sadly lost their lives on that day and subsequently. >> yeah, i mean, how special is this event? it is incredible, given that the youngest veteran is 97. you know, many of them are over 100 years old, but they're still battling on. they still want to be out to be part of these commemorations. well i'm really looking forward to meeting some of the veterans later today. >> and here in the uk and over in france. when i met some at an raf base a few months ago, and they're enthused for remembering their friends and their , their

their friends and their, their comrades who fell around them is undimmed by by the eight years. and it's imperative for those of us who served today and those of us who served today and those of us who served today and those of us who live in the uk , to us who live in the uk, to remember the bravery and sacrifice that these people made for our freedom and the freedom of the rest of europe . so very, of the rest of europe. so very, very important day. and it's a privilege to be here. >> and, sadly, because of that spitfire crash , just recently, spitfire crash, just recently, some of the fly—past plans have had to be scaled back a bit. but you will still be honouring them. there will be a fly—past taking place . yes, absolutely. taking place. yes, absolutely. >> i mean, it's very sad that squadron leader mark long lost his life in a spitfire a couple of weeks ago, and my heart goes out to his family and to all of his his colleagues at raf coningsby. but the battle of britain memorial flight is enormously evocative of, and the pubuc enormously evocative of, and the public love to see it. so it's a great shame that we can't be here today. but we'll have the red arrows here. we saw the a400m flying over the ferry yesterday as the veterans left.

it was an incredible and i heard that the veterans absolutely loved it. it was a really, really special moment. so yes, we will still, as an air force, be able to commemorate effectively the events to and put on a great show for the veterans and for all those millions of people who will be watching today right across the world. >> well, as you can see, i'm now joined by gb news royal correspondent cameron walker. cameron real excitement here. crowds massing now ahead of this royal arrival. >> yeah, there certainly is. if you look to behind me the royal box is really starting to fill up. now. we're expecting a number of very senior royals here including the king, the queen, the prince of wales to name but a few. the princess of wales is understandably not here. she is still undergoing that cancer treatment, but also in normandy. we have the princess prince and the princess royal and her husband, vice admiral sir tim laurence, carrying out a number of engagements today. of course, the royal family has an incredibly important role here. they have a very important relationship with the armed

forces . the king himself a naval forces. the king himself a naval veteran. prince william, as well, served in the raf. so it's going to be incredibly poignant and they are expected to meet veterans as well. after the commemoration ceremony today. >> okay, cameron, thank you very much indeed for that. it really is going to be something special. as i say, as they remember the veterans, 20 of them will be here. no doubt they'll have a standing ovation and lots of tributes from the vips who will be speaking throughout this program. >> thank you mark. thank you. mark white cameron walker there, remembering d—day. let your let us know your thoughts this morning, won't you, so rishi sunak came out swinging last night as he squared up to keir starmer in the first tv debate of the general election campaign. here's what happened. >> inflation is back to normal. wages are growing, taxes are now being cut. keir starmer would put all that progress at risk. he would put up every one's taxes by £2,000, £2,000 in higher taxes for every working family in our country. after all

the hard work and sacrifice we've been through, that's not the right course of action. i don't know why you want to put up people's taxes. >> it's unforgivable what's happened to the nhs and to come into power for 14 years and leave the nhs in a worse state than when you found it, is unforgivable in politics. and rishi sunak stood 18 months ago. janet and said that those waiting lists, which are now nearly 8 million, he said he'll get down. he made a promise. he said he'd be held accountable. they were 7.2 million at the time. now they're 7.5 million. so they've gone up and that bears down on the nhs as well. >> it was often tetchy and bad tempered , but a snap poll for tempered, but a snap poll for yougov showed 51% thought sunak could perform best, with 49% for starmer. but we will know what you think. so tell us and let's bnngin you think. so tell us and let's bring in our political presentation. coach graham davis, we talked about this yesterday and the pollster scarlett mccgwire is here too. graham, we talked about this yesterday and we made the point, didn't we, that it was for starmer to lose, even if it was a narrow point of victory for,

for sunak, not a knockout blow. >> definitely not a knockout blow. and indeed it wasn't compelling tv either. it was like watching two chartered accountants squabbling over a calculator. and we had two candidates, one of whom was trying to channel tyson fury, and the other who at his most animated, was more wooden than a park bench. >> in the latter being starmer. >> in the latter being starmer. >> indeed. >> indeed. >> right? yes, indeed. just to clarify what i don't get about that, starmer is a an accomplished lawyer. >> he rose the ranks to become director of public prosecutions, a case. why is he not better in that gladiatorial role in a crown court? >> a crown court is a very quiet, calm place. you don't get heckled and interrupted except occasionally by the judge. he seemed out of place there in the tv debate format. he's got a quiet voice. he's got a sort of back foot attitude. sunak was deliberately trying to be as

interruptive as possible. it certainly puts starmer off, but the key thing is in the details of that poll that you quoted , of that poll that you quoted, i'm not sure that sunak came across as overly likeable and that might be crucial. >> what i look for graham, in these debates is honesty. when you can look in their eyes and think, are you telling me the truth? there was one moment i thought was a flash of honesty when the presenter asked if you had a loved one on an nhs waiting list, would you use private health care? and sunak just said yes, because of course , who wouldn't say yes if you had a lull? and starmer said no , had a lull? and starmer said no, i'd use the nhs. and i was thinking, did he just say he'd rather a loved one potentially lost their life than use private health care? that's, that's not normal , is health care? that's, that's not normal, is it? is it health care? that's, that's not normal , is it? is it just dishonest? >> well, it's an example of somebody being a politician first and a human being second. and but the interesting piece of conflict which i saw, which was most interesting for me , was

most interesting for me, was when there was the genuine clash as to whether waiting lists were going down or up, and starmer said, not unreasonably, well, clearly they're going up. and he said and sunak said, well, actually, no, they're going down. no, those numbers don't say that, said keir starmer. and eventually sunak said, well, they're going down from where they're going down from where they were. yeah. and of course that got a certain amount of sardonic laughter from the audience. >> understandably. scarlett, talking of the numbers , yeah, talking of the numbers, yeah, you've polled as well, have you, this morning. what have you found? >> we found a slightly different result from that yougov snap poll. we found that, people watching thought that keir starmer won the debate, won the debate, and generally that he came across better . we debate, and generally that he came across better. we did have rishi sunak performing better amongst the conservative 2019 voters, who were the voters. he really needs to win back on side, but no. overall we had keir starmer winning the debate. >> and what about the issues? do you think they got the sunak tax, tax, tax, tax the whole time. and he was a and i was amazed that starmer didn't challenge him when he said your

taxes are going up £2,000. he took him till about three quarters way through the programme to challenge him on that, so that soon that would be job done, won't it . on tax. yeah. >> i mean sunak had the harder task because he's got a 14 year record to defend. and he called the election when he was 20 points behind in a poll. he really needed a big win. keir starmerjust needed a score draw. but i think on tax they probably that was probably the right thing to go on. i mean, we know that historically voters have more hesitations about labour's handling on the economy and on taxation specifically. and i think the conservatives probably be delighted that they've managed to get a single clip of keir starmer standing at a podium, saying he will raise certain taxes, even if he then clarifies it to say non—dom tax, which is one of the most popular moments of the night. actually, we found we sort of tracked how people were feeling throughout the debate, and that was one of the debate, and that was one of the few moments. in fact, i think the only moment where both conservative and labour voters really liked what keir starmer was saying about taxing, taxing non—doms. >> and of course, sunak makes the point. they've already closed the loophole anyway. >> well, exactly. and the reason why they did that, i think, was because it's popular across the board. >> yeah, there was no lightness . >> yeah, there was no lightness. there was no humour at all.

graham was there. and i think the british public, we have a very good sense of humour, even in the darkest of days. and we're looking for someone to at least make us smile, because bofis least make us smile, because boris would have made us laugh, at least once. >> well, the only laughter nigel farage the only laughter they stimulated was, frankly, when the audience were laughing at them. especially rishi sunak. yeah, the most effective word is that rishi sunak came out with dunng that rishi sunak came out with during the entire evening were four words, which he repeated again and again. four words, which he repeated again and again . what would you again and again. what would you do? yes. and ironically , he was do? yes. and ironically, he was very good at propping up his cross—examination skills with adrenaline in a way that keir starmer wasn't. yeah. and starmer's answers to what would you what would you do were really quite vague . but the really quite vague. but the weakness of the tyson fury approach from rishi sunak is that he's very good at the tv debating technique, which is, say it support it, shut it. but he doesn't realise when he needs to stop talking when he's made

his point, he keeps going and therefore we had an awful lot where he seemed to be completely ignonng where he seemed to be completely ignoring the rules. and unfortunately the moderator was like a struggling supply teacher, not wanting to shut up. >> the rich head boy just 30s with scarlett mccgwire . is that with scarlett mccgwire. is that a point that stark sunak made very successfully to labour to labour leader? what would you do? because there is a lot of suggestion that it's vague. we don't know what a labour government would do. his whole pitch has been the tories have been hopeless for 14 years. time to kick them out. >> yes, again. so what? rishi sunakis >> yes, again. so what? rishi sunak is trying to do is to tap into the public's underlying anxieties about keir starmer, which is that he's not necessarily. they say to us that he's not necessarily straight, but what he's going to do, they don't know really what his actual plans are when he gets to government, partly because people say, oh, well, he keeps changing his mind on things. the problem is for rishi sunak. yes, people do think that and say that. but they've already had enough of him and they're willing to give it a go. yeah, okay. >> all right. thank you. >> all right. thank you. >> scarlett mccgwire from jl partners and graham you'll come and see us again. graham, right. still to come this morning.

we're going to be asking how we put a stop to political violence like that. that happened to nigel farage yesterday. in fact, do you even want to use that term around that? is that political violence , or is it political violence, or is it just some wannabe tiktok star trying to get her moment? >> i'm afraid it's a bit of that. i'm afraid. >> in the limelight. absolutely this is britain's newsroom on gb don't go

>> 1026 and stephen pound with all the girls in nattering. >> look at them. >> look at them. >> stephen pound. wittering on in the corner. wittering wittering. >> chuntering. >> chuntering. >> stephen pound, sedentary position. and mike perry are with us in the studio. thank you. i will get to your comments in a minute, because a lot of you are very cross with andrew pierce for the conversation that you had with richard tice, but we will we will, we will get to them, don't you worry. but let's talk about that with with our with our ladies now shall we, stephen, let's start with nigel

farage yesterday, getting the milkshake in the face. i know it's fairly comic. he made the best he could of it with doing a little tiktok video afterwards, but there is a really serious sense if you just go down the coast of it, you come to south end. >> and that's where david amess was killed. yes that's right. yeah. and it's just just a little bit down the coast. yeah. there is a comic attitude and i think this, this woman, was it victoria thomas bowen, the woman who who's, a model and part time influencer? >> actually, yes. only fans account claims to be an influencer . influencer. >> yeah, i think, you know, she's after the publicity, but i think what's stupid about this is that it is actually very dangerous. but on the other hand , i think to myself, farage has doneit , i think to myself, farage has done it again. he somehow got the entire nation expressing their sympathy for him. now, i'm not suggesting for a moment that he bribed her to sling the no, but he didn't. >> of course he didn't. >> of course he didn't. >> we were joking about that. but in some ways now the whole nafion but in some ways now the whole nation is saying, this is so unfair. i think she has been made to look stupid , risible, and unpleasant, and aggressive and unpleasant, and he has been made to look decent . he has been made to look decent. and actually the person who tolerates this and puts up and

he didn't hit her and he handled it very well. >> oh yeah. because he then mocked what happened to him in a video. and he did it very cleverly because he's, he's, he's whatever you think about nine foot. he's a class act. >> oh yeah. when you think i mean somebody paid what, £4.50 i think for one of those milkshakes. £4. >> quite a lot of money to throw at someone during a cost of living crisis. >> i know. >> i know. >> well, she's probably complaining about the stupid influencer who threw it, i know. >> yeah, yeah, i hope she gets, prosecuted. >> she's been charged with assault. so it's an alleged assault. so it's an alleged assault at the moment. okay. she's been charged. i hope it goes through because can you imagine the split second after the liquid hit nigel's face? the fear that goes through your head is. what is that? is that battery acid? now, i did a year or two in northern ireland at the height of the troubles, right . when you see those petrol right. when you see those petrol bombs coming over, right. you don't know where they're going to explode or blow up or whether they're going to leak and all that. it's a terrifying thing to have things thrown at you from somebody without purpose. you see what i mean? because you have no , no reflexive, action to

have no, no reflexive, action to defend yourself if you don't know where it's coming from. it's a hideous thing to do. but what i think it illustrates, as steve has already, spotted, that's the biggest turnout of any crowd in this country for any crowd in this country for any mp who wants to join parliament that we've seen in this election so far , she's made this election so far, she's made it an even bigger event by what she did , and it now looks like she did, and it now looks like he's on a roll of popularity. >> he made a good point about the acid because, you know, we've had a spate of people hurling acid in people's faces and you get life changing injuries when a liquid hits you injuries when a liquid hits you in the face for that split second. what on earth do you think his reaction was? and i think his reaction was? and i think it actually shows nigel pharaohs up in a very, very good light. i agree he didn't panic, he didn't turn away, he didn't. and this has happened to him before and it's happened to him before. >> did you know by the way sorry stephen. outside of india, in the uk we are the country in the world where most acid attacks take place. so that means it is available in our society. and who knows if next time somebody gets very irate, they don't get hold of it. that's why i think

it's so dangerous. we've imported a lot of people. >> we have the culture. >> we have the culture. >> yeah, exactly. yeah. >> yeah, exactly. yeah. >> and it's why nigel nigel has to have security protection within the whole time. >> yeah, i think he will have it. i don't think it's acceptable anywhere in the world to do that. it's foul and it's ghastly. but we do seem to have a spate of it in this country, which is horrific. >> listen, can we talk about the debate last night as well? stephen what did you make of it? who did you did you watch it? >> yes, i did, and i think probably the most interesting thing was as as you know, with the budget, it's not on the night. it's always what happens the next day. yeah. and i think on the, on the night, rishi sunak was a little bit tetchy and i think that he often is keir starmer he is quite he didn't actually respond to this tax thing. it's only this morning that we discover that this great figure of additional tax money is not not from the treasury. the treasury have actually denied it. they've written to darren jones and the labour treasury team today saying this is not from the treasury. it was special advisers. this is a couple of tory special advisers who work in the treasury but are political. well, i'm sorry, it is. i agree it is not a treasury approved statement. >> but what i don't understand, stephen, is why the leader of

the opposition was. so you've useless not batting it away? >> no , i totally agree. the >> no, i totally agree. the point is, it's got on the front pages of all the papers this morning. this is the times labour accused on taxes. sunak comes out fighting. but if you look at the daily express, they actually got the figure £2,000. now, you know the old, saying that, you know, a lie goes around the world before the truth has got its boots on, so it doesn't really matter what the basis of this accusation was from cynical , from cynical. it from cynical, from cynical. it doesn't matter what the basis of the accusation is. rishi sunak now got it up there. and i can see people scratching their head. >> by the way, labour have put out a document saying that the tories are going to scrap inheritance tax. they've never said that. so they've never said that. >> i'm sorry, i hunt jeremy hunt on the floor of the house of commons on may the 7th. it's not it is our intention to scrap inheritance. yeah, but there is no there is no i remember it very well. >> also said that labour said in their dossier what i'm saying is, is that both sides are as bad at this. they said that the tories were scrap national insurance by 2025, 2026. they've never set a date.

>> no, they may not have set a date, but jeremy hunt did set the roadmap for it. yeah, right. >> stephen and mike, that's it for now. sophia's short. you're very patiently you'll be back in the next hour. here's sophia wenzler with your morning's . news. >> there. thank you. it's 1031. >> there. thank you. it's1031. i'm sophia wenzler in the gb newsroom . the conservatives are newsroom. the conservatives are standing by rishi sunak's claim that labour would raise taxes if sir keir starmer became prime minister. labour insists the claim is a lie. minister. labour insists the claim is a lie . it comes as both claim is a lie. it comes as both leaders traded blows on the economy , the nhs and immigration economy, the nhs and immigration as they faced off in the first tv debate of the 2024 election campaign. rishi sunak claimed sir keir starmer would raid pension pots and hike taxes by £2,000 per household . but the £2,000 per household. but the leader's differences will be put on the side as the d—day normandy landings are remembered. the nation is coming together today in portsmouth to honour troops who crossed the channel 80 years ago as they

headed into the battle of a lifetime. both prime minister rishi sunak and sir keir starmer will attend the uk's national commemoration event in portsmouth alongside the king, the queen and the prince of wales and armed forces veterans. meanwhile across the channel, normandy prepares to honour the d—day legacy and us president joe biden has arrived to take part in the commemorations . and part in the commemorations. and the first banknotes carrying the portrait of king charles will go into circulation today, notes that feature queen elizabeth ii will remain legal tender and co—circulate alongside the king. the new ones will only be printed to replace those that are worn, or to meet any overall increase in demand. in order to minimise the environmental and financial impact of the change. and for the latest stories, sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen or go to gb news. com slash alerts .

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their political differences, which are very evident last night. of course, they're joining the king and other senior members of the royal family in marking the 80th anniversary of d—day. family in marking the 80th anniversary of d—day . they'll be anniversary of d—day. they'll be in the south coast of england. in fact, they're arriving now. >> so here is our royal correspondent, cameron walker, who is in portsmouth . good who is in portsmouth. good morning cameron, what can you see there ? see there? >> good morning bev. well it might be a little bit noisy here because this is a 79 piece orchestra made up of military musicians providing the pre commemoration entertainment, as it were. they're going to be joined by 25 members of a choir as well as well as royal marines drummers. you mentioned the leader of the opposition and the prime minister putting aside their political differences. if we look to the royal box, i can tell you that sir keir starmer has already taken his seat. fresh from that tb debate last night , fresh from that tb debate last night, foreign fresh from that tb debate last night , foreign secretary david night, foreign secretary david cameron has also been spotted in the royal box so far as well. and in the next 20 minutes or so, they are going to be joined by his majesty the king, the

queen and his royal highness the prince of wales to the princess of wales is not here. understandably, she is still recovering from her cancer treatment. but of course, the royal family has an incredibly important role here today. they have a very special relationship with the armed forces and it's been revealed this morning that his majesty the king has read extracts from his grandfather king george v's diary to four military veterans who he met at buckingham palace . now, those buckingham palace. now, those four military veterans actually took part in the d—day landings. they are arthur or john denis, bernard morgan and jim miller. and they were they were talking about the fact about the mementos that they took to them on the beach , took with them, on the beach, took with them, even on the beaches of normandy. so, for example , some lucky so, for example, some lucky football boots were strapped to the back of one of these veterans backpacks, which he took with him on the boats going across to normandy and then

storms the beaches. the king was visibly moved by that. we're going to be seeing videos of that later on. and another veteran, he had his dog tag, which is still covered in blood from when he was shot. he was shot in the lung. he was saved by his friend walter and sadly, the next day, on june 7th, 1944, walter was killed in that fighting. in the battle of normandy. d—day plus one. so it is going to be incredibly poignant here today. we also are joined, as well as the royal family, by a number of local schoolchildren. they've been ianed schoolchildren. they've been invited to, especially from the portsmouth area, by the ministry of defence because it's understood both the ministry of defence and perhaps by extension , the king and the prince of wales, think it's incredibly important for the younger generation to learn about the sacrifices of their forefathers when it comes to d—day , and how when it comes to d—day, and how that ultimately changed the course of the second world war. commemorations here in portsmouth due to start at 11:00

in the morning. so about 20 minutes time. >> well, thanks for that, cameron. that's cameron walker. we'll be back with him later in portsmouth . we're going to go to portsmouth. we're going to go to normandy now to speak to our reporter sophie reaper, where the atmosphere is getting better and better. sophie, what's happening there now? sophie, good morning again . good morning again. >> good morning to you both again . yes, we've actually made again. yes, we've actually made it. now onto the sand on gold beach here in arromanches, on the normandy coastline. now you'll see over my right hand shoulder that we've been joined on the sand by an amphibious vehicle nicknamed as a duck. now, that is a vehicle that would have been used, a replica of a vehicle that would have been used on d—day to transport troops from the channel onto land. now, my team and myself were lucky enough to be able to take a journey on that particular vehicle yesterday to experience what it would have been like coming in from the

channel. of course, nothing in compared to what our troops experienced. but but it was truly an incredible, amazing experience. one can't even put it into words. how amazing it was. now on board that vehicle they have roses, which tomorrow they'll be scattering in the channel as a mark of respect for our troops that fell all those years ago on d—day. our troops that fell all those years ago on d—day . that is just years ago on d—day. that is just one of the ways that people here in normandy will be showing their respect. of course, thousands of people here will be showing their respect in their own individual, unique way. we spoke to one person from british army earlier on, and he told us about what he's been up to . about what he's been up to. >> so d—day 80 is hugely significant because sadly, the numbers of living normandy veterans are , are, are now veterans are, are, are now dwindling. and it's really important that their legacy, that the message of what it takes to win a victory like this is passed on to the younger

generations for a whole many reasons , one of which is, of reasons, one of which is, of course, to try and avoid the situation where it might happen again. so there's something tremendously powerful about d—day . and if we can play even d—day. and if we can play even in the smallest part , our role in the smallest part, our role in the smallest part, our role in trying to help get that message out and connect the younger generations with what happened here 80 years ago, as well as reintroduce the veterans to the things that they see and remember to us, that's enormously special, and it's just the most incredible privilege. >> you mentioned the younger generations , of course, that's generations, of course, that's so important. but stats show that not a lot of the younger generation even really know what d—day is. do you think that this kind of thing is going to have a real impact on that ? real impact on that? >> i hope it does. i hope that where families are able to spend some time here in arromanches, in the wider normandy area, or any one of the events in and around the uk and the other allied nations, that if they can start to feel and realise what happened 80 years ago and

understand that only good can come from that , you heard there come from that, you heard there the importance of keeping the younger generations involved in the remembrance of d—day. >> and while we've been here in normandy over the past few days and we've seen plenty of children, families, lots of school trips as well, so clearly thatis school trips as well, so clearly that is something that is , is, that is something that is, is, is happening, trying to get the younger generations involved in making sure that we never forget those troops who sacrificed themselves for our freedom. >> okay. thank you very much. sophie reaper there in normandy , sophie reaper there in normandy, one of our viewers at home, barry, has said, sorry. khan has said, why don't they make d—day a bank holiday? remembrance and celebrations throughout the uk will be the highest respect for all ages. >> and when you consider we have two bank holidays in may, we could . you could even move one, could. you could even move one, couldn't you? >> that's right. and johnson, because i've never understood why we have one in may the 1st, which is a may day rally which they held in in the old soviet union.

>> yeah, yeah. >> yeah, yeah. >> john has said lovely to see young reporter sophie reaper taking in the atmosphere and learning everything about our brave servicemen and women that lost their lives and saved europe. we will be reading your messages, but it's been a very busy morning here. of course, on gb news. and up next, welsh first minister vaughan gething won't be at the d—day celebrations in portsmouth today, unlike his british counterparts, and will you it's a big day for him.

on >> now a big story in wales where the first minister. he's only been first minister for about 80 days. faces a no confidence vote this afternoon . confidence vote this afternoon. after weeks of rows over his campaign donations , he says he's campaign donations, he says he's not expecting to lose the vote. however, it's 30 labour members and 30 other members. tories, welsh applied liberal democrat so we went to abergavenny in wales to hear what you think

about him, it's a bit naughty though, isn't it, to get, money from i think he's a bit of a dodgy character, i think, isn't he? or the company? he's got the fella and i'm quite sure, but no, he's. >> he'll be all right. okay. yeah let's wait and see how it goes. >> we're joined now by andrew rt davies, leader of the welsh conservatives. good morning andrew. now those people looked a little ambivalent about the issue. to be fair. they sort of shrugged . let's see how it goes, shrugged. let's see how it goes, how will it go ? how will it go? >> well good morning bevan. >> well good morning bevan. >> good morning andrew. >> good morning andrew. >> at the moment, who knows, i can control my own group, which has moved the motion this afternoon in the first minister of having no confidence. >> and it boils down to three things. it boils down to the judgement . judgement. >> taking this massive donation to his leadership campaign from an individual who's got two criminal convictions, transparency around messages that were deleted during the covid pandemic because the first minister himself, in his own words, said that he could be captured by the freedom of

information act and that would have helped the covid inquiry understand the government decision making around key policies . policies. >> and then it goes to truthfulness about the dismissal from a minister from his own cabinet, who vehemently denies leaking these this information out to the government and says that integrity is everything in politics. she still has her integrity . so she's politics. she still has her integrity. so she's in politics. she still has her integrity . so she's in effect integrity. so she's in effect calling the first minister a liar. that's why we brought the motion of no confidence today based on his judgement , the based on his judgement, the transparency and the truthfulness of his actions . truthfulness of his actions. since he took the role of first minister, the controversy over him taking a £200,000 donation, andrew, from a convicted polluter . polluter. >> it may shock people listening and watching, but actually , when and watching, but actually, when welsh labour members of the assembly voted to make him their leader and first minister effectively, they already knew about that. >> well, other things have come out obviously in the wash since then. i'm not sure whether many members understood the criminal conviction aspect of it, but there was a bbc programme on monday night that highlighted that the company that this

individual owns is still under criminal investigation , and also criminal investigation, and also this company took a loan from the development bank for wales, which is a government sponsored bank of £400,000. in the same year that it made a donation to vaughan gething leadership campaign of £200,000. so it goes to a government sponsored bank, which the minister, when he was in charge of the economy, was responsible for, of £400,000 and then makes a donation to the campaign for the leadership of the labour party here in wales of £200,000. if that doesn't smell odd, then i don't know what does. >> just explain to us, andrew, if the if the first minister loses the motion of no confidence this afternoon, does he have to resign ? he have to resign? >> well, it's a non—binding vote because obviously we as an opposition party are putting the motion down in our own debate time . but i think it would send time. but i think it would send a very, very significant message that the labour party couldn't vote down a no confidence vote in the welsh parliament. and i know of no other democracy where

a confidence vote has been lost, where an individual can continue for any length of time, i think we'd look more like a banana republic if he didn't take any nofice republic if he didn't take any notice of this particular vote. >> chair of the labour group, vicky howells, she said that two labour members are currently unwell and the tories knew that before this motion was tabled. what's the latest on that? do you know andrew, that's an outright line, on behalf of the chair of the labour group in the senate, who also is chair of the standards committee, i might point out we did not know anything about illness within the labour group. i'm not going to say who the two individuals are. we have subsequently found out who those two individuals are , we do have hybrid voting are, we do have hybrid voting here in the senate, so you don't have to turn up in person. you can vote either from your home or your office, as long as you've got a computer linked to the senate, but vicky howells, chair, the labour group, today told an outright lie on bbc wales this morning. we had no knowledge at all of the of the illness of these two members, and where the vote the motion was tabled last wednesday and i

think social media activity does point to some of those members being out and about, undertaking activities and responsibilities right , of activities and responsibilities right, of their role as members of the senate. >> okay. all right . andrew rt >> okay. all right. andrew rt davies, the leader of the welsh conservatives, it'll be an interesting one. >> fascinating because don't forget, keir starmer likes to say because wales has been labour controlled, it's devolved to devolved . of course, it is to devolved. of course, it is the model by which he will govern. and if they lose the first minister today during an election campaign , that's election campaign, that's pretty, pretty serious. and he was he was in wales only last week. keir starmer right. >> the viewers do not want me to let you off the hook. andrew pierce they're very unhappy with the fact that the way you had handled that conversation with richard tice charles says, i'm a member of reform uk. i'm delighted to have andrew out front. andrew nigel out front. sorry, not andrew. everybody says andrew, it's time you changed your opinion on reform. >> i think nigel farage is the best they've got. i think they were absolutely right to make him leader. but i do make the point again, this is an extraordinary political party where the leader of the party

owns it. >> i think i'm all right with that though. what's the what's the problem with that? >> it's. don't you think members should have some involvement? >> well, maybe in the fullness of time, i suppose. maybe they will change the model. but i imagine when you have to start with a small team, normally when political parties say, the liberal democrats, labour or the tories change their leader. >> now, admittedly, the tories seem to change their leader as often as some people change their shows , they do at least their shows, they do at least consult their members, whereas reform don't have to. >> is that not though, because their members are so pro nigel farage that they they want him to be in charge. >> there is no mechanism by which they can be consulted. >> well, keep your messages coming. gbnews.com forward slash your say. i told you i'd ask him about it now, don't go anywhere, will you? we're also going to the weather's here, but we're going to tell you what happened to those horses as well that were injured in london the other week. we will let you know. here's aidan. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar , the sponsors of weather solar, the sponsors of weather

on gb news. >> hello and welcome along to the latest update from the met office. cool winds for many of us today along with showers. although the showers won't affect everyone, it's going to be mostly fine in the south. certainly start off with some early sunshine across east anglia, south and southeast england. the cloud will build through the morning and by the afternoon most places are rather cloudy, although there will be some brighter spells coming through at times. it's not going to feel particularly warm because we've got this cool and blustery northwesterly breeze. most notable across scotland, northern ireland, northern england. that's where the bulk of the showers will be moving in. some of these showers will be lively, with perhaps some hail and thunder in the far northwest where it's going to be just 11 or 12 celsius in the south, mid to high teens and where we get some sunshine shelter from the winds . pleasant shelter from the winds. pleasant enough, but not particularly pleasant across scotland . those pleasant across scotland. those showers will be moving in swiftly through the day. cold enough for some snow to be falling from those showers above. around 600m for the

scottish mountains . now for scottish mountains. now for northern ireland. the showers will be on and off through the day. intersperced by brighter spells, some heavy rain appearing for cumbria and lancashire at times, but for parts of wales, the midlands , parts of wales, the midlands, east anglia and the south of england. fewer showers , a england. fewer showers, a greater chance that we end the day with some blue skies and we keep those clear skies into the evening and overnight. keep those clear skies into the evening and overnight . as evening and overnight. as a result, it's going to be a chilly night in many places , chilly night in many places, temperatures dipping into the mid to low single figures , but mid to low single figures, but there'll still be some showers. there'll still be a gusty wind coming through across northwestern parts of the country, and that will continue to drive showers into the northwest of scotland, northern ireland, northwest england, north wales. first thing thursday thursday is a similar day to wednesday, so if you've got the frequent showers on wednesday, expect more of the same on thursday . likewise, if same on thursday. likewise, if you've got mostly dry firing conditions on wednesday , similar conditions on wednesday, similar on thursday wouldn't rule out the odd shower in the south, but that's where the best of the sunshine and the highest temperatures will be. 16 to 17

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gb news. way. >> morning. 11 am. on tuesday, the 5th of june. this is britain's newsroom on gb news with andrew pierce and bev turner. >> thank you forjoining us this >> thank you for joining us this morning. so d—day commemorations. there are events in normandy and portsmouth this morning to pay respects to our fallen heroes . fallen heroes. >> and starmer on the ropes while the prime minister and sir keir starmer went head to head in the tv debate last night on tax, the nhs and immigration. but we want to know was there a winner for you and a significant no confidence vote? >> that vote. that's what welsh first minister vaughan gething

is facing this afternoon, and there's a very good chance he could lose king charles. >> he's on banknotes for the first time. they're going into circulation today and we'll be having a look at them . having a look at them. >> you're gonna get your wallet open. andrew pierce. well, i'll be a first. >> no, no, because the thing is only issued today. so if i, when i get one, i'm going to keep it because it's history. yes. >> yeah. good point. are we going to have some in the studio. we're not sure. >> i think he's only the second monarch to be on the notes. the queen being the first, because people assume it's been going on forever and ever. but i think that's right. we're going to be talking to a royal historian about it a little later. >> brilliant. let us know your thoughts this morning. gbnews.com forward. slash yourself first for the very latest news with sophia wenzler. >> bev, thank you from the gb

newsroom at 11:00. your top story commemorating plans are underway to mark 80 years since the d—day normandy landings. the nafion the d—day normandy landings. the nation is coming together today in portsmouth to honour troops who crossed the channel 80 years ago. as they headed into the battle of a lifetime. both prime minister rishi sunak and sir keir starmer are attending the uk's national commemoration eventin uk's national commemoration event in portsmouth, alongside the king, queen and prince of wales and armed forces veterans . wales and armed forces veterans. meanwhile, across the channel, normandy prepares to honour the d—day legacy. chief of the general staff sir patrick sanders, who's in portsmouth, has told gb news about the jeopardy of d—day so nearly didn't happen 80 years ago, and the gamble that eisenhower took with the weather paid off. >> but it was a very, very different set of circumstances 80 years ago. and what always strikes me about these events is this is living memory. you know, people who took part are alive today. and for many of the younger generation, this feels

like ancient history. and of course, it's not. it really happened.so course, it's not. it really happened. so it's fantastic to be able to share it with the veterans who took part. but it's also important that all of us as also important that all of us as a nation remembers the courage, the sacrifice that the extraordinary national endeavour that went into this , the largest that went into this, the largest amphibious operation in history. >> the conservatives are standing by rishi sunak's claim that labour would raise taxes if sir keir starmer became prime minister. labour insists the claim is a lie. minister. labour insists the claim is a lie . it comes as both claim is a lie. it comes as both leaders traded blows on the economy. nhs and immigration as they faced off in the first tv debate of the 2024 election campaign . rishi sunak claimed campaign. rishi sunak claimed sir keir starmer would raid pension pots and hike taxes by £2,000 per household. and shadow chancellor rachel reeves says the tories are lying. >> well, the letter from the permanent secretary of the treasury confirms what labour had said last night that the prime minister lied in the debate last night. labour has no plans to increase taxes on

working people. in fact, i have ruled out increases in income tax, national insurance and vat for the duration of the next parliament. >> meanwhile, energy secretary clare pochettino has reiterated the prime minister's claims keir starmer couldn't do is he couldn't rule out the fact that his policies as set out by the labour party, would cost families £2,000 in extra taxes . families £2,000 in extra taxes. >> and he couldn't rule out the fact that pensioners, for the first time under labour plans, would have to pay tax on their state pension next year. and actually that's the substance of what people are choosing between. and i really thought actually it was quite shocking that on all of those major issues , keir starmer was woolly. issues, keir starmer was woolly. he didn't have any clear plans or proposals to address some of the challenges that the country is facing. >> in other news, the first minister of wales has insisted he's feeling confident about winning the vote of no confidence he faces in the senate later today, welsh conservatives tabled a motion of

no confidence in vaughan gething following the collapse of the cooperation deal between labour and plaid cymru, and a series of rows . concerns were raised after rows. concerns were raised after mr gething accepted a donation from a man convicted of environmental offences. mr gething has also refused to show any evidence to explain why he sacked senedd member hannah blythe from his government, after he accused her of leaking messages to the media. american amanda knox is back in court in italy as she tries to overturn a conviction for slander following the notorious killing of a british student in two thousand and seven. italy's top court in 2015 annulled knox's conviction for the murder of her british flatmate meredith kercher, in the city of perugia. knox was also subsequently given a three year sentence for wrongly accusing congolese bar owner patrick lumumba of killing kercher, but the european court of human rights ruled in 2019 that there had been procedural

errors during knox's questioning , and italy's highest court last year ordered a retrial in the slander case, and the first banknotes carrying the portrait of king charles will go into circulation today. notes that feature queen elizabeth ii will remain legal tender and co—circulate alongside the king. the new ones will only be printed to replace those that are worn, or to meet any overall increase in demand. in order to minimise the environmental and financial impact of the change. and for the latest stories, sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen or go to gb news common alerts. now it's back to andrew and . it's back to andrew and. bev. >> it's 1106. it's back to andrew and. bev. >> it's1106. this is britain's newsroom on gb news with andrew pearson. bev turner. why do we both look so surprised to be on the tv then? we do do this every day. sorry, the biscuits are out, that's why. right? rishi

sunak came out swinging last night as he squared up to keir starmer in the first tv debate of the general election campaign. >> so soon, repeatedly said and wasn't challenged for a very long time in the in the debate that starmers labour party will raise taxes by £2,000, and starmer simply struggled to deny it. >> but shadow chancellor rachel reeves has been speaking to reporters this morning and has had this to say about it. >> well, the letter from the permanent secretary of the treasury confirms what labour have said last night that the prime minister lied in the debate last night. labour has no plans to increase taxes on working people . in fact, i have working people. in fact, i have ruled out increases in income tax, national insurance and vat for the duration of the next parliament. >> is this becoming a bit of a dirty campaign? >> do you think we're, you know, tactics like this going back and forward? >> well, it's rishi sunak who lied 12 times in the debate last night about labour's tax plans. the truth is, it's the conservatives that have taken

the tax burden to the highest it's been in 70 years. that is the conservatives record and their legacy. it looks like the permanent okay, so our reporter anna riley was out talking to the people of hull to see what they think. >> here you go. >> here you go. >> and keir starmer obviously i think he's he's doing the right thing for the cause at the moment. the council and everything else is good, proper going downhill. there's a lot of homeless people on the street now and they need to be taken care of a little bit more. >> and what do you make to them both? >> keir starmer first, what do you think to him? >> i think it can be a bit of a bully. i get that impression . bully. i get that impression. >> they just want one fight. >> they just want one fight. >> i think . >> i think. >> i think. >> and do you prefer rishi sunak? what do you think to him ? sunak? what do you think to him? >> i don't have a problem with rishi sunak , you know. rishi sunak, you know. >> no, no, he's all right. i prefer boris, though. >> well, like i said to you earlier, i never saw the debate last night, but i think they're both a pair of wet blankets, i

think keir starmer see more life in the corpse and rishi sunak not much better, but about the two of them. >> you know, i think sunak does come over that little bit better, but only slightly in terms of who you think would be the best leader. >> would it for you be definitely keir starmer, without a doubt. >> i feel like rishi has had his chance now. >> he's not done nothing with the time that he's been there. you know, i feel like he's, if anything, he's worse than what bofis anything, he's worse than what boris johnson was sunak had his chance and he's not done nothing i >> -- >> well. former labour mp gloria de piero and formerjustice minister sir robert buckland join us now, gloria. let's come to you first in the studio. is he right? sunak had his chance. he's not done nothing . he's not done nothing. >> well, 14 years the tories have been in. >> does anyone feel better off? do you think your nhs is better off? do you think your schools are better off, or is this been 14 years of pain and high taxes? i think that gentleman hit the nail on the head. it's time for a change. labour is not going to put up people's taxes despite what rishi sunak tried to claim

last night. that has been pooh poohed. >> but let me interrupt you though, gloria, because keir starmer is a highly trained lawyer. he's been leader of the opposition for four years. so he's used to the gladiatorial nature of pmqs. you host that brilliant programme every week with chris hope. why didn't he squash the idea from start sooner immediately when he said £2,000 tax? that was raging throughout most of the programme until he finally said no , until he finally said no, actually it's not going to happen. >> i have a confession to make. i was screaming at the television, i mean, shut it down, shut it down. it's not true. now he should have shut it down earlier. it is a lie . it's down earlier. it is a lie. it's a complete lie. the treasury civil servant, the top civil servant in the treasury, said, do not use these as our figures . do not use these as our figures. >> what the tories have done, the political appointments have said. >> we reckon this stuff's going to be in the labour manifesto. they've said this in the past, cost it, then we'll stick a figure on it. actually, the labour manifesto has not even been published. >> but i'll tell you something. everything in that manifesto

will be costed and paid. >> but isn't that costing? even the £2,000 is over four years. it's actually £500 a year. even by the conservatives equation . by the conservatives equation. >> well, any any tax rise on people who have been hurting so much would be bad and you're not going to get it under labour. >> robert buckland, let's come to you, i'm sure you watched the debate on the edge of your seat last night. so just your your general reflections on it really? >> well, look, i think it was substance versus vacuity , and substance versus vacuity, and the substance was with rishi sunak. >> he actually has a plan. it's working. why change that? now for the blank page that labour has to offer . and i really do has to offer. and i really do have to take issue on this point about labour's black hole. this isn't anything new, keir starmer should have been ready for this. jeremy hunt published a conservative party document a few days ago, explaining the black hole that labour presents. and it's not back of a fag packet. it's based upon commitments that the leader of the labour party and shadow cabinet members in office have made since 2023, and if

anything, it errs on the cautious side and with regard to civil service involvement, this is a regular practice. civil servants provide the factual evidence , and then it is written evidence, and then it is written up evidence, and then it is written ”p by evidence, and then it is written up by the political advisers and by the politicians. nothing new about this. labour used to do it as well, and this letter business is a complete smokescreen to try and avoid the indelible fact that labour have to pay for their unfunded commitments , and that will mean commitments, and that will mean tax rises. and if their tax rises not on individuals, like income tax, there will be tax rises on businesses, which means that jobs will be destroyed. every labour government has left office with unemployment higher than when it came in. this lot will be no exception and we can't risk our economy in the hands of labour. >> robert, you may think you won on tax, but you certainly didn't win. he certainly didn't win on the nhs. there was just open laughter in the audience, studio audience when he tried to say that waiting lists were falling

because, you know, that's one of his five pledges. you know where nearit. near it. >> yeah, there's still a huge amount of work to be done. i mean, some of the longer term waiting lists are being slashed, which is good. but that still means a lot of people are having to wait too long. now, this is not easy, you know, these figures have been really turbocharged by the covid crisis . and i know doctors and clinicians are working as hard as they can. it'd be good if they didn't go on strike, by the way. and i think the audience were very clear in their disapproval of that last night. if we can all pull together, beanng if we can all pull together, bearing in mind the record funding that we have in the nhs, my local hospital is having a brand new a&e opening next month, for example. you know, there's lots of good things to be said, but that work clearly is unfinished and the next government will have to redouble its efforts. >> okay, gloria, on the nhs, one of the strangest moments of the whole debate for me was when sir keir starmer was asked whether he would use private health care if he had a loved one who was ill, and he said no, what? what

was he thinking of ? was he thinking of? >> i think it's important to say that no matter for most people, the vast majority of people in this country, if they faced that terrible news, you go to the nhs, your loved one, they need some cancer treatment. you're told that you're going to have told that you're going to have to be on a waiting list very, very few people have the choice about whether to say, oh , it's about whether to say, oh, it's okay, i'll go into that stash of cash that i've got locked away and pay for that loved one to have. >> but that wasn't the question, though, was it? it was if you could use private health care, would you? and he said no. >> yes. no. personally, i mean, you know, he said what he thought, what he believes to be the case, sociopathic . the case, sociopathic. >> and of course, he can afford it. >> yeah. no, i take a different view on that. i mean, to keir starmer. i'll happily say that. but for most people, i think it is important. most people wouldn't face that choice. they can't afford to go private. that's why we need the nhs working 40,000 extra appointments a week in the nhs. >> wouldn't there have been more respect if he said if it was

that desperate, i'd sell whatever it was to keep my wife or child alive? >> this is a personal it's a very personal question. i would have answered differently, but i don't think we can sort of cast aspersions on what keir starmer would do. i would have given a different answer. but he's entitled to his robert buckland, were you surprised by that answer? >> because and my jaw dropped when i heard it. >> yeah. i was very surprised . i >> yeah. i was very surprised. i think it's a human reaction, isn't it? you'd move heaven and earth to look after your loved ones, and we can all, you know, if somebody's, you know, violated or hurt or members of my family, i'd want to kill the person responsible. that's the natural reaction that we all have. of course, we live in a system of rule of law and justice, and we all respect that. but the human reaction is to say, you'll do whatever you can. perhaps it tells us, i think it does tell us something about keir. you know, i've known him for a number of years. i respect the guy. but ideologically he believes in the power of the state, and that means the state above everything else, to the exclusion of everything else . and therefore,

everything else. and therefore, in his attack on private schools, that answer about health, it all suggests quite an ideologically driven person who's perhaps more left wing than perhaps he's no tony blair, keir starmer. i don't think he'd want to be presented as that. this is a more left wing leader. >> let gloria come in on that. robert, i think it's a really interesting point. sir keir starmer believes so much in the state looking after your family. >> the state is an interesting use of the word, because i bet anybody who's watching at home or i could go out there on the street right now and ask anybody , do you believe in our national health service? do you think it's working right now? do you think after 14 years of the tories, do you get angry and upset, but you cannot see a gp that your loved ones are waiting for treatment? it didn't happen under the last labour government we had record appreciation levels of our nhs . it was like levels of our nhs. it was like 70. it's 20 odd percent now. so i believe in the power of governments to be able to make our national health service better. and my goodness, let's crack on and get on with that and do it.

>> let's ask both of you, do these tv debates make a jot of difference in your view, gloria? you've you've knocked on doors after tv debates as a candidate. >> well, i'll tell you. i'll give you one interesting fact on the last tv debate, this was jeremy corbyn versus boris johnson and the snap polls like there always is. and it was , it there always is. and it was, it was evenly balanced. half half of the people that watched the corbyn did did well and half thought boris johnson. and look what happened in those election results. so i'm not actually that convinced that they are as important as they were perhaps when they were new in 2010. to be honest, i struggled a bit to finish it, to watch it. yeah. >> robert buckland, what about you? >> do you think it makes any i mean, what what sunak needed was a knock out blow because he's so far behind in the polls, and that clearly didn't happen. some polls suggest he won a points victory, but do you think it makes any difference to how people will vote? or have they already made their minds up? >> no, i think i used to say that election campaigns were very much signed, sealed and delivered before they began. but

then a few more recent elections taught me otherwise. we can all remember. i agree with nick back in 2010 and the impact that that debate had . of course, as gloria debate had. of course, as gloria says, it was, it was the shock of the new as well. but then 2017, you know, tories 20 points ahead at the beginning . we all ahead at the beginning. we all know where that ended up. so campaigns do matter. i think that the debate of itself isn't necessarily a game changer. it certainly hasn't done rishi any harm, by the way. i think it's helped him and there'll be a spnng helped him and there'll be a spring in his step today with justification. but i think that it's going to require more. and i think looking at the manifesto , the offer that the conservatives have, that is going to be crucial, because i'm pretty sure that when we see the labour manifesto , it will be labour manifesto, it will be just a collection of empty pages and against an empty page. i think the conservatives can offer something exciting, bold, visionary, which can capture imagination and change the course of this campaign. this is not over, okay, robert buckland gloria de piero, thank you both so much. >> it is not over. that is true.

>> we'll get you back after the next debate . oh, starmer, if you next debate. oh, starmer, if you had any sense, wouldn't even bother to do it if he stays nailed on now. >> but he's doing two. >> but he's doing two. >> if he's got a 20 point lead in the polls, why bother? well he's committed and i'll be and i'll be here to debrief with you. >> really? >> really? >> all right. still to come. remember these horses ? they remember these horses? they bolted through central london. we were live on air, and one of them even hit a double decker bus. it was. one of them is bright white with red blood down their front. bright white with red blood down theirfront. if bright white with red blood down their front. if you're listening on the radio, it's very memorable scenes. we've got an update on how they are. don't go anywhere. this is britain's newsroom on

gb news. >> 1122 with britain's newsroom on gb news. andrew pearson. bev turner. the panel is back . mike turner. the panel is back. mike parry and stephen pound have spotted an extraordinary story in louisiana. yeah. >> go on, mike, tell us about

this is about legalising surgical castration on appeal it. >> to be honest, it makes me feel a bit ill. this i mean, you know, it's the deep south and it's the retribution of, against criminals. and we've all seen the films about how people are treated down there . but treated down there. but basically, louisiana judges court ordered surgical castration, right? for people convicted of sex crimes against younger children under the age of 13. now, i've got two views on this one as a disincentive to commit appalling crimes like that. i think it's quite a good idea because all men fear, you know, the ultimate . snip. yes, know, the ultimate. snip. yes, exactly . emasculation. exactly. emasculation. emasculation. not snip a snip. it just means you stop the process. yeah, actually removing them. castration. that's that's every man's ultimate nightmare and horror. so if it turned out to be a great deterrent, i'd be for it. but would i actually do

it myself? and that's always the test for me of whether you support, you know, an extreme crime like hanging or something like that. and i don't think i could be in the same room as seeing a man having his testicles removed. >> here's an odd thing i think i've mentioned before. there used to be a tory mp called gerald howarth, and he and i worked in dartmoor prison as prison officer gerald howarth from aldershot. we know very well we both went in as prison officers to work for a month. thing called at the sharp end and in dartmoor and every prison they have a thing called the vpu, the vulnerable prisoner unit is basically where they put nonces, not ordinary normal criminal ethos . and a lot of criminal ethos. and a lot of these people were sex offenders. and this question of castration came up. and the chap the governor told me, he said you could castrate them. but actually most child abuse is not about sex. it's about power . and about sex. it's about power. and even if they were castrated, they would still be foul, vile people tormented. they would. a lot of it is to do with cruelty, sadism. >> so humiliation that's you know, that's part of it. >> can we can we talk about something else on a sunny wednesday? >> but you know what? a lot of

people won't realise alan turing, we're talking about d—day today. alan turing, who was the reason we sold the enigma code. he was chemically castrated because he broke the law. because he had sex with a man in his house, which was even it was in the home was against the law. he was chemically castrated. and the state had nothing to protect. this man who nothing to protect. this man who no sped up the end of the war. >> exactly . and then he took his >> exactly. and then he took his own life and retrospectively have never returned to the issue because of the shame that not only not doing anything. >> yeah, i agree, a thing called aversion therapy when and i remember, you know, bogart talking about this where gay men would be shown photographs of naked men and then electrocuted while they were watching it to give it aversion. you know, i'm sorry, this book, but isn't this a step backwards, this surgical castration? >> it does . >> it does. >> it does. >> it's maybe like it's medieval. >> it is medieval. >> it is medieval. >> medieval even like, it's like in countries where they chop somebody's hands off. >> yeah. i'm sorry, i hope, but, you know, the louisiana, the worry is it'll be very popular. >> it will be popular, in my view. but the worry is also , view. but the worry is also, with it being louisiana, one of the crimes they talk about is

incest against children. that's because it happens in louisiana . because it happens in louisiana. and that's why, you know, they're focused on it so well. it is an indication of the society that's talking about it. >> and a lot of the comments underneath it were absolutely in support of this . but then there support of this. but then there was one comment that really struck me which said paedophiles, the problem is in their brains, not yes , exactly. their brains, not yes, exactly. >> and yeah, yes. >> and yeah, yes. >> no, there's a point to that. >> no, there's a point to that. >> that's pretty much what they discovered in dartmoor. >> yeah. right, should we talk about the boy band? >> well, we should talk about the boy band because this could be the start of something absolutely great. okay, simon cowell has announced that he's going to try and put together the next great boy band. now, simon cowell is massively successful in bringing talent and bands to. so the audition starts soon. i've thought, right, there's three of us here today. there is stephen pound, there is andrew pierce there is michael parry, the three p's. okay the three p's. >> hang on, hang on a second. we've also got together the

young lady saying we've got to have the blondie. >> no, it's called a boy band. do you know what the boy is? we're not gonna have that debate. we're not having that debate. we're not having that debate. so that's the three p's. that's what we would be called to be. tenors, baritones . to be. tenors, baritones. >> well, i don't know. you do know, of course, that i have had a record in the hit charts, don't you? i got to number 64. as leads, as lead singer with the rolling clones , who are a the rolling clones, who are a rolling stones tribute band. okay. is this a wind up? it's not a wind. i was a rolling stones or a tribute band of a rolling code. i was asked to join them. we went into a proper studio. we recorded a see a red door and i want it painted black. they released the record anymore. i want them to be black. and he got to number 64 in the chart. >> when was it, when was it like, oh 1892? >> no. >> no. >> well, not far after that, about ten, 12 years ago, i would say. well, you see, i was a huge radio star in those days on talksport and they plucked me out for the publicity, i thought, and it was a success in

the band. oh well, it was called the rolling clones. they're a tribute band, you see what i mean? so they were all like musicians. >> if we could be your backing group, you could be, yeah, the middle aged babe. >> magnets. of course. that's what you are, mike. you'll always be a middle aged babe magnet. can we talk about these horses? yeah. three of the household cavalry horses remember this? they were injured. yeah, they bolted through central london to take part. they were rehearsing , part. they were rehearsing, weren't they? take part in the king's birthday parade. it now transpires that what made them startle was some building rubble. it was concrete . least rubble. it was concrete. least concrete. down one of those chutes. and look at them now. >> the radio. >> the radio. >> we've got the two horses and leader. >> yeah, the two of them having a nuzzle. >> yeah, they're necking. >> yeah, they're necking. >> if ever i doubted what country i was in, as soon as i read that, there were three actual guardsmen injured on this, and nobody's one of them is still in hospital. quite seriously. >> that's right. >> that's right. >> everybody's talking about the two horses. well, they're not talking so much all the way back to the deal bomb. >> the guardsman's bombing. was it 1980 or was it the hyde park bomb? yeah. the sefton was the horse and the seven seven horses

altogether were killed in that. seven horses were killed and many servicemen were killed. but people remember the name of the horse. remember the sefton nurse back to life. >> three of the horses that were injured are now back at work , injured are now back at work, back on duty. and those two that we've seen are expected to make a full recovery. but they're being allowed to convalesce . being allowed to convalesce. >> but what is so what is there going to be a war on parade? >> three of them are going to be on the parade for the trooping of the colour. okay. three of the five, the sovereigns. what is so beautiful about that still picture which we've just had up, is that at least one of those horses was due to be put down. they thought the injuries were so severe, the one with all the blood running down it as it was galloping around. they didn't think they could save it. they have saved it. it's not we're not sure if these horses will return to work, but the commanding officer of the regiment says he very much hopes they will. so it's all round a really good feel factor story. >> well, i have to say, leader and look, they do look as though they're in a stable relationship there, don't they? >> stephen powis best joke from being on britain's newsroom was about two jockeys in a stable

relationship . relationship. >> we want to see the album cover next time you come. well, for the three p's. no, no, of your number 64in the rolling, i might be able to find the video actually. >> oh, can we not video not in fact. >> if you've got a, if you've got a clever tech person and you've got hundreds of them, you've got hundreds of them, you've got hundreds of them, you've got you've got hundreds of them, you'll find it somewhere on the internet. >> it was put out. mike parry and the rolling stones paint it black. what were you wearing. >> let's not something to make me look a bit like mick jagger. i that's what i'm worrying about. i think we should also ask our viewers , what would you ask our viewers, what would you name the boy band with these three? >> andrew pierce, stephen pound, mark perry, do send your ideas. gbnews.com/yoursay. thank you so much , ladies. now though, your much, ladies. now though, your news with sophia wenzler ladies. >> yeah . >> yeah. >> yeah. >> bear thank you. it's 1130. >> bear thank you. it's1130. i'm sophia wenzler in the gb newsroom. your headlines, commemorations are underway to mark eight years since the d—day normandy landings. the nation is

coming together today in portsmouth to honour troops who crossed the channel 80 years ago. as they headed into the battle of a lifetime. both prime minister rishi sunak and sir keir starmer are attending the uk's national commemoration eventin uk's national commemoration event in portsmouth, alongside the king, queen and prince of wales and armed forces veterans . wales and armed forces veterans. meanwhile, across the channel, normandy prepares to honour the d—day legacy. chief of the general staff, sir patrick sanders, who's in portsmouth, has told gb news about the jeopardy of d—day. has told gb news about the jeopardy of d—day . the jeopardy of d—day. the conservatives are standing by rishi sunak's claim that labour would raise taxes if sir keir starmer became prime minister. labour insists the claim is a lie . it comes as both leaders lie. it comes as both leaders traded blows on the economy, the nhs and immigration as they faced off in the first tv debate of the 2024 election campaign . of the 2024 election campaign. rishi sunak claimed sir keir starmer would raid pension pots and hike taxes by £2,000 per household, and the first

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points. >> cheers, britannia wine club proudly sponsors the gb news financial report . financial report. >> emily and tom are here to tell us what's coming up on the show this afternoon, and we're having a big old gossip about last night's debate. what do you think of it? >> both extraordinary statement from, keir starmer about how he'd rather a relative was left on an nhs waiting list than go private, even though he's a wealthy man. >> i was so disbelieving i had to replay that on the tv last yeah to replay that on the tv last year. i thought. i thought i misheard. that's exactly i thought. i can't have heard that correctly. i sought out the transcript afterwards and it was shocking . shocking. >> i can't imagine tony blair ever saying something like that . ever saying something like that. i can't imagine the shadow health secretary, wes streeting, even saying anything like that. this was perhaps a very ideological moment that we've seen from keir starmer, perhaps the most ideological from him since when he was running to be labour leader back in 2020, embraced all of it, could have said raises the question. >> he could have said i wouldn't have to make this decision if

the nhs was running under my leadership and all of this. but yes, of course i would use private if it was a life or death moment, but instead he just went straight for the ideological answer, didn't he, michael? >> yes, i would, and it was very it was a very honest moment from sunak. >> would he use private health care? >> he just went, yeah, i'm glad and i'm glad he didn't. i'm glad he didn't fudge it. >> no. absolutely. >> no. absolutely. >> remind us about the dukakis moment because. >> so in 1988, the us presidential debates was george h.w. bush versus michael dukakis. and the moment it was seen that the democrat dukakis lost, he was asked a question in that debate by the moderator who said, if kitty dukakis, his wife, was raped and murdered, would you support the death penalty ? and instead of saying, penalty? and instead of saying, what a horrible thing, i would want that person, blah, blah, blah, instead he would just go, no, i wouldn't, and you know that i wouldn't because i've opposed the death penalty. and he seemed so robotic and human that it just highlighted a big sort of wedge issue there. and he never really recovered. and i wonder if it seemed robotic and inhuman keir starmer last night, but obviously rishi sunak lots of questions coming his way over

this £2,000 tax bombshell claim that he's attributing to labour's policies sooner he should have, yes. >> why didn't he? why didn't he have the letter? you know, to wave around? ed, that was a mistake. i suppose one of the big question marks over all of this is how much does it actually feed through to people watching a likely political obsessives, the people watching pretty much know what they think of both party leaders. >> it's not news to anyone watching that keir starmer's father was a toolmaker, or that rishi sunak parents worked in the nhs and pharmacy. but to the, lower information voter who doesn't spend all their time watching news and information with politics. yeah. they won't have been watching. and will it have been watching. and will it have actually changed? gloria de piero made the point just now that after after the head to head between corbyn and boris johnson , level pegging and boris johnson, level pegging and boris then went on to win with a majority of 80. so we do know that around 5 million people

watched last night out of a country of 70 million. >> yeah. yes. but it leads the headlines. it leads the news bulletins, it leads everything else. you don't have to actually watch it to find out what happenedin watch it to find out what happened in it, do you? i mean, we're talking about it to clarify, is drowned out by the noise from last night. >> and if you were watching it thinking, i don't want to vote for either of them, it was a very convenient day for nigel farage to be all over the press as well. quite plays for people's protest votes now that there might not have been before. >> that's true. >> that's true. >> i wonder, just as a final note on this, did keir starmer look a bit nervous? i thought the way that a man 20 points aheadin the way that a man 20 points ahead in the polls really shouldn't have looked nervous. was there a bit of jfk nixon about this? a bit pale, a bit sweaty? yeah, i was surprised. and although i would say in 2012, the romney—obama debates , 2012, the romney—obama debates, romney was seen to have done very well in the first debate. and it was the polls narrowed . and it was the polls narrowed. thenin and it was the polls narrowed. then in the second debate, obama was seen to have absolutely trounced him. so it could be that the second debate, we see an entirely different keir starmer a more confident keir

starmer a more confident keir starmer in a keir starmer with his facts at hand. >> well, you need to tell you what he looks like smiling. >> i don't think i've ever seen keir starmer actually smiling. people like you, big open smile, a big open smile. >> although when gordon brown tried that in 2009, it did not go particularly . go particularly. >> should be able to. >> should be able to. >> you should be able to smile. look at emily's face. how can you not love that face? >> some people tell me off smiling too much. >> depends what we're talking about. >> tom and emily. we'll be here from midday. this is britain's newsroom on gb news. don't go

it's 1140. this is it's1140. this is britain's newsroom on gb news with andrew pearson. bev turner. >> so, banknotes featuring king charles portrait are being released today . this is the released today. this is the first time our new monarch has featured on the note and an historical interest. i thought i

this was right. he's only the second monarch to appear on our notes, the first being his mother, queen elizabeth ii, in 1960. people often think, yeah, it's been going on for centuries. so there he is. a bit of history on the £20 note. it's not my weekly wage from gb news. that's my weekly wage and gb news that's probably your. >> and this is mine, battle of the sexes . the sexes. >> but, and on the other side we've got jmw turner, the, the, landscape artist. yeah. who's on this? >> one of whom i must be a descendant, i'm sure my artist, this is jane austen on the back of the £10 note. so the back of the notes hasn't changed. winston churchill, jane austen , winston churchill, jane austen, j.m.w. turner and alan turing. >> alan turing, who of course, we were talking about earlier, who solved the enigma code which helped at bletchley park, helped bnng helped at bletchley park, helped bring the war to a speedy conclusion. of course , was conclusion. of course, was chemically castrated. >> talking of which, yeah, absolutely. the first banknotes were printed last year. the long lead in time , allowing automated lead in time, allowing automated machines that accept cash to be updated to recognise the new design. so much has gone on behind the scenes. it's not a

case of just changing the printer. >> where do you think the photo was taken of the king? >> i think it's i mean, it does it does look quite like him. you know, sometimes you think if they said, what image would you like on the banknote, you might go, oh, can you pick one from about 20 years ago because he's on he's on there twice. but but he does look like him now. possibly a little younger maybe. yeah. yeah. it's maybe a little flattering but grey. yeah. >> that's fine. >> that's fine. >> absolutely. so they of course a lot of people want to get rid of this stuff. >> i can cash you can, of course, still use the ones with the queen on for a little while at least. right. let's see what you've been saying at home. barbara. we were talking about keir starmer. keir starmer not being able. not smiling, not looking jolly, even though he should have it in the bag. >> so all of us have reacted the same way to his extraordinary answer to the fact that he would not ever use private health to rescue, to help save somebody in his family , somebody he loves. his family, somebody he loves. who's on a. >> i found that the most . >> i found that the most. >> i found that the most. >> i found that the most chilling moment was the only way you could save them. well, the mask slipped a bit for me. it's a bit like the tax on private

schools. it's about putting ideology before people. i'm a big fan of ideology, but at the expense of people that you love. and then being alive. i just found that really chilling, barbara said baby's got no sense of humour or irony. barbara said baby's got no sense of humour or irony . belly laugh. of humour or irony. belly laugh. you'll never see him do that, claire says starmer was trying to keep it real with the regular people lol . of course he'd use people lol. of course he'd use private health care. who wouldn't? i'm poor , but i'd take wouldn't? i'm poor, but i'd take out a loan if i needed to get private treatment. well, that's what i think most people would think, even if you. >> of course gloria de piero is right, most people can't afford private medicine. but if you had to, if somebody you love dearly, you would do whatever you could. >> it showed a not only what i just said about ideology, but it just said about ideology, but it just also showed that he couldn't think on his feet in that moment. for me, keir starmer, he couldn't be quick off the mark to work out my answer would have been, well, if the nhs wasn't in such a mess after 14 years of tory rule, we wouldn't even need to be having this conversation. >> that's what he could have said, mary said. >> so starmer wouldn't pay private for his mothers. that's

what he's saying . he would let what he's saying. he would let her suffer. i would pay private for my parents if needed. and he says that we've suffered enough under the tories, but he wants to put up taxes costing us £2,000. and no, he's saying he'd have to deal with illegals at the centre of the country if allowed. well, starmer, it's like you want to smash the gangs abroad but you don't have jurisdiction. it'sjust abroad but you don't have jurisdiction. it's just a load of tosh . of tosh. >> and i'm surprised he got applauded when he said that he wanted to smash the gangs abroad, because rishi sunak did make the point that a that's what the government is trying to do. but b measures taken by the tories to try to get the gangs were voted down. labour voted against them. >> yeah, i know, i know, a lot of it just leaves a bit of a bad taste in the mouth, doesn't didn't it, mike's who is a member? thank you. mike, are the most notable thing with the leaders. debate last night was that starmer could or would not look sunak in the eye for 99% of the time. i noticed that even when asked to by the moderator. fortunately for labour, there are pictures out in the media today that show him eye to eye dunng today that show him eye to eye during that 1. but clearly starmer was rattled and unconfident just by being there. he looked weak.

>> it is strange again , isn't >> it is strange again, isn't it? bearing in mind he's been a lawyer most of his adult life and he became an mp in 2015. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> what else have you been saying? barbara says, i've observed that people on the right have a lovely sense of humour, but on the left it's vile sarcasm . it's probably a vile sarcasm. it's probably a little bit of a generalisation, barbara, but i'll tell you what did show some awful sarcasm and even though people might think it thought it was funny, the picture yesterday of nigel farage having the milkshake thrown in his face obviously went wild all over social media, and people even like the left wing commentator owen jones, he put that picture up and he said, art are still of the milkshake arching through the air. and he said it was art. now, if that had been a left wing labour politician being attacked in the street like that, the response and a right wing person had said that there would have been outrage from the left, there would not good enough? >> no, because as we made the point, that could have been something much more sinister and serious than than milkshake. >> yeah. and eddie said that richard tice was right to dodge

your questions. richard tice was right to dodge your questions . they're still your questions. they're still very cross with that interview. if you missed it. it was on at the start of the programme. you can watch us back on the, gb news app and, well, let's take a quick break while we have a look at some more of these still to come, under attack. >> our reporter, charlie peters will tell us more

gb news. welcome back. >> 1149. so, a cyber attack caused chaos in several london hospitals yesterday , apparently hospitals yesterday, apparently was launched by a russian organisation. >> so the former head of the national cyber security centre said that a russian group launched the ransomware attack that devastated planned operations in london yesterday. >> analysts have warned gb news that the group has started to strike more british targets in recent months, and charlie , recent months, and charlie, charlie peters here to tell us more. how do they know it's russia? charlie? so it was the former chief executive of the national cyber security centre,

kieran martin, making this remark this morning . remark this morning. >> how does he know. >> how does he know. >> well that's for mr martin to explain . but he said it >> well that's for mr martin to explain. but he said it this morning, with the bbc and i imagine he has very close contacts still with his former colleagues and those in the wider security apparatus to bnng wider security apparatus to bring that information out. >> there's no confirmation from this group. >> they're called killing. that's q i l i n and it's rumoured and it's said that they launched this attack on monday when they targeted a third party provider to the nhs, and that's called synovus. >> it's a partnership between synlab and the nhs. it's been around since 2021. and they provide pathology services to several london hospitals . and several london hospitals. and those crashed because of this ransomware attack. now ransomware attack. now ransomware is when you encrypt data on a system and in exchange for a ransom, you then give out the new password or the new access to the service provider. now, when you target something like a health care system that has devastating effects , and we has devastating effects, and we saw that yesterday and also on monday when several planned

operations were collapsed in major hospitals in london, guys in saint thomas's , king's in saint thomas's, king's college london, in camberwell, also the royal brompton in chelsea , a major transplant chelsea, a major transplant centre, all had to cancel planned operations because of this. one medic i spoke to yesterday in camberwell said it was chaos on their ward with people who were getting prepped for theatre last minute being told it couldn't happen because you couldn't do the blood transfusions. should there be haemorrhaging or massive blood loss? and this morning, speaking to a cyber security analyst from sibylline, caitlin johnson , she sibylline, caitlin johnson, she told me that this group killing that's been raised as the perpetrator, they've only been around since 2022, but previously they've targeted search. sears sole electricity provider. the court system in australia and also a chinese manufacturer for the serbian and the chinese targets are interesting because those are allies of russia, which does indicate it's not necessarily a state aligned group. >> is this linked to the kremlin or not? >> well, so caitlin johnson told

me that there's no evidence to suggest a direct link between the kremlin and this killing group. however, many of these ransomware groups, especially those operating in russia, do have to act with the permission of the kremlin because access to the internet and the and the and the internet and the and the and the censorship system that is so intense that much of the infrastructure is limited, especially for a group that needs to have the sophisticated level of attack that we've seen in recent weeks. we also saw that this group targeted the big issue magazine in march that was also blamed on killing. so what miss johnson said is a more of a targeting of european and british targets in recent months. what's the objective and why are they doing it? >> the blanket objective is money. >> ransomware is for profit. these are profit motivated hackers and they target these sorts of soft targets because they know there is an urgency to de—encrypt that data to get back in the system, because frankly, it's a matter of life and death at blood transfusion. so how do they make money from this? >> is it about harvesting data

which is then sold? >> so there are two ways you either completely collapse a system and you offer the person whose system is collapsed a way to reaccess that system , or you to reaccess that system, or you steal data and say if you don't pay steal data and say if you don't pay this ransom, you don't get that data back. what we've seen this week in london, with four hospitals having to cancel services , is it's more of the services, is it's more of the latter, a total collapse of the system . now, sources to the system. now, sources to the health service journal said yesterday that this group, synovus, who have this link with the nhs, they reverted to pen and paper for dealing with blood pathology yesterday. so bad was the system collapse after this reported killing attack. so that's the main method that they've gone for. it is devastating. and as you understand it today there are still outages. victoria atkins, the health and social care secretary, saying that she was hoping to get operations back up and running in the coming days. one source said yesterday that this could take weeks, not days. it's a it's a it's an appalling

situation, but now i cannot get my head around the inflexibility and the rigidity of a system thatis and the rigidity of a system that is so relied upon that somebody could be on an operating table , and you can't operating table, and you can't have the human beings carry out that operation without the computer system working. >> make that make sense for me, charlie? >> well, so many ministers and politicians have spoken about bringing the nhs into the modern age. a digitisation of so many platforms moving away, as we've said, from pen and paper into a quick data driven tool. but last night has shown and this incident this week has shown, that there are significant frailties with that objective. and as we've demonstrated , and as we've demonstrated, potentially also outsourcing to third party operators is potentially a weak link and a pivot point that profit motivated , nefarious cyber motivated, nefarious cyber attackers can exploit. >> extraordinary story . >> extraordinary story. >> extraordinary story. >> thank you so much, charlie, somebody sent a comment saying there was a cyber attack on my local doctor's surgery, but fortunately they couldn't get past the receptionist. that's it from britain's newsroom. here's

the weather. >> looks like things are heating up. boxt boilers as sponsors of weather on . gb news. weather on. gb news. >> hello and welcome along to the latest update from the met office . cool winds for many of office. cool winds for many of us today, along with showers . us today, along with showers. although the showers won't affect everyone, it's going to be mostly fine in the south. certainly. start off with some early sunshine across east anglia, south and southeast england. the cloud will build through the morning and by the afternoon most places are rather cloudy , although there will be cloudy, although there will be some brighter spells coming through at times. it's not going to feel particularly warm because we've got this cool and blustery northwesterly breeze, most notable across scotland. northern ireland, northern england. that's where the bulk of the showers will be moving in. some of these showers will be lively, with perhaps some hail and thunder in the far northwest, where it's going to be just 11 or 12 celsius in the south, mid to high teens and where we get some sunshine shelter from the winds. pleasant enough, but not particularly

pleasant across scotland. those showers will be moving in swiftly through the day, cold enough for some snow to be falling from those showers above. around 600m for the scottish mountains . now for scottish mountains. now for northern ireland. the showers will be on and off through the day, interspersed by brighter spells, some heavy rain appearing for cumbria and lancashire at times, but for parts of wales, the midlands , parts of wales, the midlands, east anglia and the south of england, fewer showers , a england, fewer showers, a greater chance that we end the day with some blue skies and we keep those clear skies into the evening and overnight. keep those clear skies into the evening and overnight . as evening and overnight. as a result, it's going to be a chilly night in many places , chilly night in many places, temperatures dipping into the mid to low single figures , but mid to low single figures, but there'll still be some showers. there'll still be a gusty wind coming through across northwestern parts of the country, and that will continue to drive showers into the northwest of scotland, northern ireland, northwest england, north wales. first thing thursday thursday is a similar day to wednesday, so if you've got the frequent showers on wednesday, expect more of the same on thursday. likewise if you've got mostly dry fine

conditions on wednesday, similar on thursday wouldn't rule out the odd shower in the south, but that's where the best of the sunshine and the highest temperatures will be. 16 to 17

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