and will he be trusted, do. and will he be trusted, though, to cook your books .7 and though, to cook your books? and nigel farage has returned to frontline politics as certainly shaken things up. will he win your vote for the reform party? well, it's all to play for and we'll discuss the last big week in politics right after your latest news headlines. and it's sam francis . sam francis. >> martin, thank you very much. and good evening to you. it's just after 7:00. we will start with news from the election campaign trail. the prime minister has been heckled in wiltshire as he resumed his campaigning this evening. rishi sunak was discussing economic track record among the conservatives when a doctor shouted from the audience the country is not stupid. >> they know when lesser qualified people are being used to conduct consultations. they cannot be coped with by half qualified staff and you will find out how much they earn.

>> the amount that they earn is publicly declared on every website . website. >> well, that interruption this evening came after he's been heavily criticised by opposition parties, veterans and even some of his own conservative colleagues for leaving d—day commemorations early yesterday. he has admitted that returning home for a tv interview was a mistake, but said that people should judge him by his actions when it comes to supporting the armed forces . armed forces. >> a reflection that was a mistake and i apologise. i think it's important though, given the enormity of the sacrifice made, that we don't politicise this. the focus should rightly be on the veterans who gave so much. i had the honour and privilege of speaking to many of them and their families , hearing their their families, hearing their stories, expressing my gratitude personally to them. but i'm someone who will always admit when i've made a mistake . that's when i've made a mistake. that's what you'll always get from me. >> standing on the cliffs that us soldiers scaled on d—day, joe biden this afternoon warned against modern authoritarian threats. speaking in normandy,

the us president stressed the need to support ukraine and he drew contrasts with his rival donald trump . he also urged donald trump. he also urged people to stay true to the values that were fought for in world war two. >> we're the fortunate heirs of a legacy of these heroes, those who scaled the cliffs point to hawk. but we must also be the keepers of their mission, the keepers of their mission, the keepers of their mission, the keepers of their mission , the keepers of their mission, the bearers of the flame of freedom that they kept burning bright. that that is the truest testimonial to their lives. our actions every day to ensure that our democracy endures and the soul of our nation endures. >> joe biden there, speaking from france earlier. well, here in the uk, labour is pledging to introduce a series of new schemes aimed at boosting the availability of mortgages for first time buyers. among their plans would be an expansion of the mortgage guarantee, meaning that if a bank repossesses a

first time buyers house, the government would compensate some of its losses. the conservative party has also unveiled its own measures, including a pledge to not raise stamp duty. >> this is a game changer if you're a young couple and you want to have the security of a roof , your own roof, over your roof, your own roof, over your head, this is a game changer because many of those people, let's say a young couple, both on a reasonable wage, will be paying on a reasonable wage, will be paying a fortune in rent. and because of that, they can't afford to save for a deposit. and if you don't have a parent who can help you out, that means you're never going to get on the housing ladder. >> and elsewhere on the campaign trail today, the liberal democrats have been setting out their plans to make parental leave more flexible , including leave more flexible, including what they call a dad month on the election trail today, sir ed davey has been promising to double statutory maternity pay and encourage more fathers to take time off work . well, the take time off work. well, the conservatives have said that they would cut taxes for thousands of families. however, lib dem spokesperson for

education, children and young people, marina wilson says families need more choice and flexibility. >> there's lots of parents up and down the country, both mums and down the country, both mums and dads , who love to take more and dads, who love to take more time off work in those early months for that, for their children's first smile, first steps, first words. but just simply can't afford to do so because statutory pay at the moment is less than half the minimum wage. if you were working full time. so we double statutory maternity and shared parental pay. we'd also increase paternity pay to 90% of earnings with a cap, but also we would look to increase paternity leave pay, look to increase paternity leave pay, which is very low at the moment. again, to 90% of earnings. >> and just a reminder that of course, in the next half hour or so, we will start to see leading figures from the seven major political parties go head to headin political parties go head to head in the second televised debate of the general election campaign. so far. we will, of course, bring you all the reaction here with martin throughout the next hour and then on into the evening on gb news. in other news tonight,

cctv images have emerged showing tv doctor michael mosley shortly after he left a greek beach and then went missing. the presenter, who's known for appearing on programmes like the bbc's the one show and his podcast just one thing, hasn't been seen since wednesday . been seen since wednesday. sniffer dogs, divers and drones are now scanning the island , are now scanning the island, which is around 25 miles north of rhodes . and finally, some of rhodes. and finally, some sports news for you. harry kane has returned to captain england in their final friendly against iceland ahead of euro 2024 tonight. it comes after the manager, gareth southgate, confirmed his final squad yesterday fine tuning his best team now for germany. his side are among the favourites to lift the trophy at the tournament, and he has left some big names out of his 26 man squad, including jack grealish and james maddison. they have both been dropped while harry maguire is also set to miss out because of injury . that's the latest of injury. that's the latest from the newsroom for now. another update at 8:00. in the meantime, sign up to gb news

alerts. you can scan the code on your screen or go to gb news. common alerts . common alerts. >> thank you very much, sam, for that. now we've got a lot to get through in this show. now, the autocue has gone blank, so let's just start talking here with our panel just start talking here with our panel. top topic is guaranteed to be rishi sunak. let's talk about the pm being heckled today . he was out and about. these kind of moments might exemplify actually why politicians don't do street politics. of course nigel farage was milkshaked earlier in the week and now here we are, rishi being heckled by the public. let's start with you, jessica. it just gets worse for rishi sunak, doesn't it? >> well, he's apologised today and he needed to because it's difficult to find any person who hasn't taken a view about the decision making by the prime

minister and at number 10, about when to exit those commemorations. i mean, i do, i do think, in terms of the actual services and the celebrations and the commemorations that took place, i don't know about anyone else on the panel, but it was all so moving . and it was it's all so moving. and it was it's made an impact, i think, on so many people , and it many people, and it realistically, it is the probably the one of the last chances we're going to have for such an anniversary, to have veterans on it there. >> but it wasn't a positive day for rishi sunak. not at all. he bailed early, and he's been not an absolute barrage of criticism ever since . ever since. >> there has. and i'm i and i, i totally say sit here and say i'm glad he's apologised because he needed to. i'm not going to be saying anything other than that, and i think that the fact that we're still it's still top of the news this evening, i think it does say a lot. >> okay , let's bring you in >> okay, let's bring you in denis macshane again today.

>> okay, let's bring you in denis macshane again today . we denis macshane again today. we knew was going to be a bad news day for rishi sunak. but again , day for rishi sunak. but again, he's it's just got worse. these kind of interfaces with the with the public, especially when you go down the nhs route generally ends badly for conservatives. this again another car crash moment for rishi sunak, a disaster. >> it reminds me of the 1983 election with michael foot. you remember him, a wonderful man of literature, of culture, of art, but useless of politics. and he kept making gaffes to the extent that the labour party executive had a very emergency meeting and the general secretary came out and said the executive is considered the michael foot position and voted by 15 votes to eight, that he could continue as leader of the labour party. and, well, that really helped win us a lot of votes at the time and they like that with rishi. i've always thought his inexperience, he's never really been a politician in britain. he's scarpered from winchester and oxford to make a fortune in silicon valley. good luck to him. married the richest woman in the world. good luck to him. no problems, but politics is a

trade. it's like broadcasting . trade. it's like broadcasting. you've got to do it. one year, two years, four, five, six, seven, eight years, several days, every week . and he's just, days, every week. and he's just, in a sense, a dilettante. >> okay , callum robertson, let's >> okay, callum robertson, let's bnng >> okay, callum robertson, let's bring you in. now, let's start with d—day, i mean, rishi has been panned from every angle on this. was it. do you think the conservative or rishi sunaks gerald ratner moment or are we overreacting, i think if you look at, president zelenskyy from ukraine who managed to come and stay for the entire thing, and stay for the entire thing, and he's fighting a war, he is fighting a war against russia , fighting a war against russia, akin to the kind of evil we're seeing in world war two. but yet he was able to stay for the entire thing. what does it say about the values of our prime minister that he's not willing to stand up and meet our troops and value our troops , the ones and value our troops, the ones who fought and were lucky enough to survive on those beaches 80 years ago yesterday, i think

it's disgraceful. >> yuri, do you think it's that bad? and what's been interesting about this? on my show yesterday, i had johnny mercer on johnny mercer setting up the veterans bill, laying out some very, very sensible policies. it seemed , of course, he was seemed, of course, he was accused of politicking on d—day, on the 80th anniversary by the shadow defence minister, jessica harrington. but then it all went so disastrously wrong. i mean, it just seems to me how on earth could somebody, perhaps even the prime minister himself, have decided that an interview with the itv was more important than sticking around with macron, with biden , david cameron being with biden, david cameron being his stand in, david cameron looking like the prime minister has to be one of the worst decisions a prime minister has ever made. >> well, i'm i'm not going to defend it. and i've already said i'm glad he's apologised because he needed to my understanding from what he said in his interview earlier, was that the decision on the diary had been taken many months ago. but diaries, my understanding is in

the modern world can be reviewed and updated and i don't know why that decision was made. plainly, it's nothing i would know about, but in terms of, of the, you know, i think the word is optics in terms of how it looked on the world stage. i'm, i'm not going to say that that was a good look. of course it wasn't. of course it wasn't . but, i do course it wasn't. but, i do think, and i absolutely undermine this by saying, underline this by saying i'm not making light of it at all. but we have now got a long campaign, and i know that the country i hope that the country will also want to look at all the other topics that we need to who's going to run the country, the economy, education, defence and so on. but i'm not moving away. i can't move the news agenda on my own, and i wouldn't dream to either . ehhen >> okay, but jess carrington, calum robertson and denis macshane , we're crossing to the macshane, we're crossing to the spin room next. of course we're waiting for that big bbc debate and we'll talk to labour mp

soon. welcome back. now, i really hope you're not bored with tv debates. because there's lots and lots more to come, including and lots more to come, including a seven way debate tonight featuring leading figures from the seven biggest political parties across britain . penny parties across britain. penny mordaunt, angela rayner and nigel farage are among those appearing at the event taking place in central london. and we can cross right now to our political editor, christopher hope, who's in that spin room at bbc hq. chris welcome to the show. so the event is building up. not another one, as they might say, a seven header. what's the latest martin. >> hi. yeah, welcome to the spin room here for the seven way, election debate with the seven with the seven major parties. with me now is ellie reeves, who is labour's national campaign coordinator . ellie, tonight

is labour's national campaign coordinator. ellie, tonight is the first time viewers can really get to get the measure. maybe of angela rayner, your deputy leader. she's leading the way for labour, how is she getting ready for this? >> she'll be making sure that she's, on top of everything, as she's, on top of everything, as she always is. you know, we're really excited about tonight and the opportunity that angela has got to talk about our positive message of change. after 14 years of conservative chaos. and i know that angela will absolutely smash it . absolutely smash it. >> you had a big day today with your manifesto being signed off. the unite union has not signed it off. is that a worry for you? >> well, we had a really positive meeting today on our manifesto. our clause five meeting and unite were at that meeting. and at the end of that process and some debate and discussion, we passed our manifesto with acclamation . so manifesto with acclamation. so i'm sorry to now hear what, what sharon has, has said she was in the room earlier today. >> sharon graham, she's gentlemen, sharon graham being the general secretary of unite.

>> that's right. yes, but it was a very, very positive a very, very positive meeting. and it felt that everyone in that room was getting behind our positive vision for the future. >> but unite is a massive donor , >> but unite is a massive donor, one of the top three donors to the party. if they won't support your manifesto. that's not a great look, is it? >> well, as i say, the manifesto was endorsed today in the room and now it will be a case of launching that and taking it to the, to the, to the public for them to make their minds up. but we've got a really, really clear vision of change and renewal in that manifesto, and i can't wait for it to be launched. so people have got to see that offer. >> and that's next thursday. where are you launching it, i don't think that any details about where or when that launch will be be decided yet? >> well , i'm will be be decided yet? >> well, i'm sure rhiannon gb news, the guardian newspaper , news, the guardian newspaper, which is, which is quite aligned with labour, some would say . it with labour, some would say. it says you're looking at 10 to 12 tax rises in autumn to pay for your spending plans. is that right? >> that's not the plans that i'm

certainly aware of. are there any manifesto? what i what i, what i will tell you is that every plan that we set out in our manifesto will be fully funded and fully costed, but we have been clear we won't be raising income tax , national raising income tax, national insurance or vat. but all of our plans are fully costed and people will see that in the manifesto and tory claims that your plans will cost £2,000 more over four years in new in tax rises yet, right? it's nonsense, you know, it's just a it's just a lie. and we've been clear no income tax rises, no national insurance rises, no vat rises. this is just desperation from a conservative government who presided over the highest tax burden in 70 years. >> you're only saying a few. they are. they are big taxes. but like capital gains tax, pensioners tax allowances, the rest of it all, all those might be hit. >> we've set out some very specific tax changes that we would introduce. for example, ending tax breaks for private schools to pay for 6500 new

teachers in our state schools, ending non dom tax status properly. so people that live here and work here pay their taxes here to fund those 40,000 extra procedures in the nhs , extra procedures in the nhs, proper windfall tax on the oil and gas giant. so we've set out those very specific tax rises. >> olivia, thank you for joining us tonight on gb news. >> thank you. thank you martin. >> thank you. thank you martin. >> that's ellie reeves there. and she's a key figure. the labour labour's election campaign coordinator. >> yeah. and chris she sounds identical to her sister rachel reeves. in fact if you close your eyes could be the same person. now chris, can you give us a little walkabout in the spin room? this is the action centre, the hq where the action is. it gives a little stroll about me. okay paul, i want to thank you, rachel. >> thank you . ellie. thank you. >> thank you. ellie. thank you. ellie. okay, well, if you follow me this way , martin. you'll see me this way, martin. you'll see the spin room here. this is where the bbc are getting ready to. to. this is christian fraser, a great man about to broadcast the bbc. we'll go around this way, shall we? and this is where the. you're seeing lots of journalists here getting

ready , to brief. there's ready, to brief. there's jonathan. jonathan from the labour party talking with laura trott. are you guys getting on? very well behind the scenes, the labour and tory mps are very, very, very get on privately, even if we disagree publicly. okay, fine. i'll keep going. thank you, thank you. you want to walk on live on gb news? thank you. here you have this tim shipman from, the sunday times doing his work there . this times doing his work there. this is the this is where the engine room may be of the of the spin room may be of the of the spin room , now they're all laughing room, now they're all laughing at that. that's joe twyman, a spin doctor. they're all actually has sean, formerly a lib dem , but they're doing lib dem, but they're doing pretty good. let's just go this way, shall we? thank you paul. thank you everybody back to work, please. thank you. and you said we go right around here and we see. i'll show you where the bar is. martin here we are. so this is this is where we get all our food. oh, and i'll get my colleague here, camilla camilla tominey. your life on gb news. >> honestly, what do you like? >> honestly, what do you like? >> who's going to win today in the debate? >> well, obviously everyone's going to be looking at farage

because he's going to make absolute capital on the d—day debacle. should we call it that? i wouldn't underestimate penny mordaunt because she is somebody who knows what she's doing in a debate. we've seen her perform every week at the despatch box in the house of commons, so she's very who's going to win over seven? >> who wins? >> who wins? >> who's wins? who's going to win? rayner maybe . i mean, let's win? rayner maybe. i mean, let's face it, the tories are at an all time low today. it's face it, the tories are at an all time low today . it's been face it, the tories are at an all time low today. it's been a it's been the worst day of their campaign, if not any campaign. so it's going to be difficult for mordaunt to defend sunak. so i think it's going to be rayner attacking mordaunt, with farage making fun in between. >> well, wait and see. thank you camilla tominey. and just around the corner here, paul, you'll see here this is where all this is. where martin. all the food is. where martin. all the food is eaten and the bar is. is. where martin. all the food is eaten and the bar is . and is eaten and the bar is. and here we go. that's your tour. that's your tour of the spin room here. i'll be live from here from 9 pm. do tune in. >> thank you. chris hope and camilla tominey. and it's so rare to see the journalists not

at the bar . rare to see the journalists not at the bar. things have changed since my time. thank you. chris hope. of course. cross back throughout the show. now back to the studio here in paddington and one of the main stories to come out of the debate so far is whether or not the tories lied over labour's tax plans and rishi sunak doubled down on those claims this evening. let's have a listen, because the only certainty with labour that we all know, don't we, is that they are going to put up everyone's taxes . taxes. >> all right. and as you saw the other night, it's £2,000 in tax rises for every working family in our country. that's what all their uncosted, policies add up to. i don't think that's the right policy. you don't think that's the right policy ? because that's the right policy? because we want to deliver financial security for our country. >> so in tuesday evening's debate, the prime minister repeatedly claimed the labour government would mean a £2,000 of tax rises for every working household in britain. well, labour say the prime minister knew he was lying when he made the claim. like the conservatives, labour has

pledged not to increase the rate of income tax, national insurance and vat if it wins the general election. now let's get the thoughts of my panel on this. let's start with you, jessica harrington. there are lies . there are damn lies, and lies. there are damn lies, and there are statistics. which category does this £2,000 tax rise do you think fall into ? rise do you think fall into? >> well i think it falls into the success in keeping this issue in the news. i mean, let's face it, the conservatives is their golden ticket often at election time is to point out their criticisms or their concerns to the great british pubuc concerns to the great british public about labour putting up taxes , that they just can't help taxes, that they just can't help it. this sort of phrase that it's in their their dna, so what i say is that i think and i do think that keir starmer was slow to respond to it during the debate. and i think that's i think that was damaging to him at the time. personally, i think i think that rishi sunak will be pleased that it's still this issue has come back to the fore andifs issue has come back to the fore and it's still keeping in

people's minds. can they really trust labour with their their money? they work so hard. they're working every hour. is it a safe bet? >> so jessica is it £2,000 per year? >> well, this is the thing. it turned out it came out in the wash. it was over four years, right. but the point is, denis macshane it stuck. we're talking about it. and sir keir starmer, he looks confused. he looked he looked befuddled by it. he didn't look like he'd been very well briefed. now you can argue that rishi sunak had been. how should we put it? massively doing things. but nevertheless everybody talks about it for days doing it. >> but everybody's idea, i'm sorry, my bright idea is why don't we talk about the record levels of child poverty that the tories have brought to us, rather than labour fudging on? >> sorry. labour's tax and the tories tax. why not talk about the record levels of child poverty, highest since 2004? why not talk about our crumbling social care services overseen by the tory failures? why not talk about the fact we can't get enough teachers in schools or enough teachers in schools or enough police, or actually the fact that there are members of

the armed forces that are homeless. why are we arguing over a lie that the tories have been spinning when actually, realistically, we should be talking about issues that actually matter to working? >> we were trying to talk about tax denis macshane. >> this is not the sort of liberal democrat party political broadcast . i can tell you a lot broadcast. i can tell you a lot of things about liberal democrats austerity policies and all the damage you did to this country in your five years of creeping up the backside of david cameron. but i won't, because we're here to talk about the debate right now. i also thought at first sight, why is keir starmer being a bit slow on this? and i just wonder, he knew he had in his pocket the head of the treasury saying this is a lie, you must not know. political party must site treasury officials as sanctioning this . and he waited sanctioning this. and he waited calmly until it blew up the next morning . and it's been running morning. and it's been running all week and indescribably , just all week and indescribably, just as the word liar stuck to boris johnson. after a bit, and then really stuck and got him out of

parliament. the word liar is now sticking to rishi sunak and i think that's damaging. >> okay, let's leave it there. callum robinson , jessica callum robinson, jessica harrington denis macshane a lively exchange now. still to come is nadine dorries right? and will the conservatives disappear because of the reform party and all the liberal democrats surging under sir ed davey ? but next. more on rishi davey? but next. more on rishi sunak's d—day pr disaster. you're with martin daubney live

gb news. and welcome back to the gb news general election. special as we look back on this hectic week in politics. well, things were going better for rishi sunak. after a decent performance at the leaders debate . and then the leaders debate. and then this. well, he rocked up in normandy for the d—day anniversary, only to do a speech and leave early to head back to the uk. and then came the grovelling apology reflection.

>> that was a mistake and i apologise. i think it's important though, given the enormity of the sacrifice made, that we don't politicise this. the focus should rightly be on the veterans who gave so much. i had the honour and privilege of speaking to many of them and their families, hearing their stories , expressing my gratitude stories, expressing my gratitude personally to them. but on someone who will always admit when i've made a mistake, that's what you'll always get from me. >> well, keir starmer did turn up to normandy and some people saying he didn't show up to the leaders debate at all, though . leaders debate at all, though. >> keir starmer if people are struggling with their bills, why do you want to make it harder for them by saddling them with £2,000 worth of higher taxes? how is that going to make paula or anyone's life easier? >> could you respond directly to rishi sunak? >> this is the prime minister. >> this is the prime minister. >> seems like a lifetime ago that starmer was on the ropes. but by the way, did you know that sir keir starmer's father was a toolmaker? i had no idea. i learned that on tuesday night. you learn something new every time, but moving on, we had tears in wales because vaughan gething broke down in the senate

ahead of a no confidence vote that he went on to lose, and the vote was tabled by the welsh conservatives . following a row conservatives. following a row over donations to mr gethings leadership campaign . now, leadership campaign. now, meanwhile, there were tears of laughter on the campaign trail with the liberal democrats. as usual, ed davey drumming up support among the elderly in hampshire . here we go. hampshire. here we go. >> we will, we will. we will. we will. we will, we will. >> paddleboards. waterslides he's on his bike. and now the medium of music drumming. the liberal democrat leader certainly looks like he's really enjoying his campaign trial. and why not? do you know what good on him. we're still not sure, though. i'd be trusting sir ed davey and his party to cook up the treasury books . the treasury books. >> so we've got a where?

agriculture and lemon juice. so the lemon juice. how much lemon juice? one millilitre of lemon juice. so i. >> it's the great lib dem bake off. now, the poll showed the tories losing support to the reform party. galvanise of course, by new leader nigel farage. and the conservatives are not the only ones left shaken this week . i know the old shaken this week. i know the old saying any publicity is good publicity. well, you don't need to tell that nigel farage. making a media moment of being milkshakes. now, the photo bomb of the campaign so far surely goes the liberal democrats, who decided to hire a boat behind rishi sunak . decided to hire a boat behind rishi sunak. now look over there. may. well, they may well be shouting is that our prime minister, rishi sunak, sinking

without trace? seriously, where would this election be without the liberal democrats and their media circus ? looking around media circus? looking around once again for floating voters . once again for floating voters. and that's your week on the campaign trail. now let's get more now on that calamitous decision from rishi sunak to pull out early from the d—day anniversary celebrations in normandy yesterday. and let's speak now to the former senior military intelligence officer, philip ingram . philip, welcome philip ingram. philip, welcome to the show. i speak to you , to the show. i speak to you, martin. i speak to you often on these matters. philip, you're known for your forthright opinions. it just is astonishing what's happened. philip, what's your take? >> completely shocking. you know, he's let the, huge number of veterans that sacrificed or give the ultimate sacrifice, the sacrifice their lives for the democracy, the freedoms that we enjoy today. he's let them down, not just the veterans that were attending there, but those that were attending because they were in the graves under grave stones. he let all of them down.

he let the country down. he let his majesty down. he let, those that are serving down and he let himself down. he really let himself down. he really let himself down. he really let himself down. really badly. this was more than a gross error of judgement and not something that because it was timetabled weeks ago, he should have turned around and said, i'm sorry. no, this is too important. i'm staying. >> do you think this may have just been an oversight? may this been of somebody in his ear who just made a wrong call, or should the prime minister, who's known, he likes to say he's a detail man, should have been all over that detail and simply made the call ? nothing. over that detail and simply made the call? nothing. nothing. yesterday was more important than being in normandy. >> well, quite simply , nothing >> well, quite simply, nothing was more important than being in normandy. and he should have seen that. now, you've highlighted something else that is, a little bit more sinister and a little bit more serious. you know, his inner team should have said to him, sorry, prime minister, you know, you need to stay. you really need to stay,

and if even they didn't do that, then his ministers should have said, you really need to stay . said, you really need to stay. and if they didn't do that, i'd love to know what advice they'd given him. if they didn't do that, then it's quite clear that there's people in his inner circle are actively working against him. but but i think, you know, he has damaged himself so badly with this that it's going to be virtually impossible to recover. so philip, the day started so well. >> johnny mercer, the veterans minister, laid out the veterans bill. there's some good ideas in that. and so soon that was squandered. can this be recovered and or do you think amongst the veteran community and the wider electorate, this is simply a ratner moment? the damage is done. >> yeah. well, johnny mercer has put so much effort into trying to do things for the for veterans. and, you know, i've been very criticised critical of what johnny does. but actually behind closed doors , you know he behind closed doors, you know he tries to achieve a lot. he's he's pushing hard. you know, the prime minister turns around and says that he's given him and his office the wherewithal to do stuff. and he's established it.

he hasn't given him the authority. he hasn't given him any power . so authority. he hasn't given him any power. so johnny's had to fight hard for everything that's got in there. but no , i think got in there. but no, i think what rishi sunak has done is he's effectively kicked the dead in their graves and he's kicked the veterans in the teeth and he has let the country down in such a way that , you know, he can't a way that, you know, he can't recover from this. you know, i was supporting him in many ways onune was supporting him in many ways online because you know, i don't believe keir starmer actually is going to be any better. but it you know, i think rishi has just damaged himself in a way that he it can't be recovered from now. wow. >> strong words. thank you for your forthright opinions as even your forthright opinions as ever. philip ingram, m.b.e. always a pleasure to have you on the show . now moving on. always a pleasure to have you on the show. now moving on. nigel farage announced his return to frontline politics this week, standing for election and even taking over as the leader of reform. now, if recent polls are to be believed, the farage effect seems to be in full swing. with reform now closing in on the conservatives as the

most popular rival to labour. now nadine dorries says that she expects the tories to disappear at this election. and let's see what my panel think. and still with me. jessica harrington, former conservative mp for erewash denis macshane, former labour mp and minister of state for europe, and calum robertson, former lib dems candidate and liberal democrats federal board member. where to start? let's start with you. this time, calum. so we appear to be reaching that fabled crossover point the moment that nigel farage said would happen. few didn't believe it would happen. could we? now nibbling two points behind? that was the most recent polling. now with rishi sunak d—day moment and the debate to come, do you expect there could be a possibility that reform could overtake the tories ? tories? >> i think yes, there is a statistical possibility that might happen, but i think we'll still see reform winning no seats. and let me tell you why.

because reform, if you look at the topology so, so almost the, the, statistics behind it reforms have broad support but it's very thin. so they don't actually have a lot of areas where the pockets of support particularly high. and i can speak to nigel farage is constituency quite well because i stood in clacton in 2019, i stood there and i spoke to thousands of how many votes did you get? 2543 came third. and speaking to voters in places like jaywick where there are houses that don't have electricity. yeah or the disproportionately old population of disproportionately economically inactive population. i don't think farage's brand of politics actually will reactivate these people into voting. and this is for the pure and simple reason that actually what these people needis that actually what these people need is an active constituency. local mp and douglas carswell in 2015, was that for them? that's the reason he held on as a ukip mp. nigel farage, if you look at his reputation in the european parliament, was one of the laziest legislators. i don't

think that horribly. like he just didn't turn up, he didn't show up well. but if he's not, if he's not willing to put the work in, he doesn't deserve to work. >> many people would say he was one of the most effective mps, meps we ever had. jessica harrington, back to the issue of polling. if nadine dorries is saying this could happen and you know the trend seems to be inexorable, could we be approaching that, that crossover point? >> i don't think so. no, i'm i've known nadine many years. she has her views and as we all know, she's not a fan of rishi sunak. but what i do think that this week, what i would say is in terms of where we are, this is the week when farage has , you is the week when farage has, you know, he's made his big declaration. he's going to stand. so i'm not surprised to see a bit more interest in the polls, where reformer concerned. but in the end, i do think that people are voting for the next prime minister. i also and so therefore i don't think that they will stick to getting any or many seats at all. i also think that the one advantage to the early call for the election , the early call for the election, which came as a surprise to so many people , was the surprise

many people, was the surprise the most tory mp, the most tory mps? exactly. and i think they don't seem very happy about it. well, that seems to be the case. but one, one advantage of it was that it took reform by surprise. so they haven't had the sort of six month build up that they were probably banking on to make their case. so in the end, i do think that people they want, they're going to put their cross next to who they want for the next to who they want for the next prime minister >> okay. and that appears at the moment. denis macshane to be sir keir starmer. so if you like scrapping it out for the silver medal here in terms of the, the electorate, do you think we're approaching that crossover point where reform against the backdrop is especially of what we've seen in the last day or so from rishi sunak. could they overtake the tories. >> no, no more than the communist party could have overtaken labour in the 1950s or 60s. it's quite common in europe. you see a celebrity politician, which is what nigel is, who gets a big following, but it doesn't translate into political votes at the ballot

box. so don't forget nigel has lost every parliamentary election he's fought. you said he was the most influential mp . he was the most influential mp. a slight snip of the mep. no. you then corrected it to mep and that's the point. he was had no influence on the direction of european travel. all the things he didn't like . he didn't like. >> well, the referendum wouldn't have happened without nigel. >> the referendum was argued for by the lib dems, by william hague. it was. i wrote a book in 2014, brexit why britain will vote out . i warned this vote out. i warned this referendum was coming constantly and nigel was certainly a powerful spokesman for it. but so was half of the conservative party and many others, including on the labour side, they got their referendum. now the problem is that's nigel's big win. but i think even the fairest person , martin, would fairest person, martin, would say it's turned into a big loss for the country and you don't see a single tory mp defending it. you don't see many media people defending it anymore, well, you could argue that the tories didn't get brexit done, perhaps. >> but look, we have to move on. thank you chaps. and now let's

talk about the liberal democrats . can you be happy about this? because this week the party said it would help end the hospital crisis by enabling thousands of people ready to be discharged but stuck in hospital beds to get care, as well as help the elderly to stay in their own homes longer. and they've also pledged £2.7 billion to tackle this problem. will this fix the nhs then? callum >> yes, it's about looking about the longer term. it's about going actually , where can we put going actually, where can we put the money in early to prevent this preventative care, and if we look at ed's very powerful personal story, but actually it's not just about ed's personal story . it's about the personal story. it's about the story of millions of people who feel voiceless across the country, carers, and that is all of our parents looking after, their child when they're ill. temporary carers that that is the thousands of people when they've got a dying parent who have to take time out of work, or when they've got a sick leave or when they've got a sick leave or ill or long term disabled, relative, these are people who

have felt, and we find this when we're speaking to voters all the time. people have felt voiceless for generations and for years . for generations and for years. and we've got a plan, a genuine, well costed , well articulated well costed, well articulated plan to actually fix the problem long term . and i think let's long term. and i think let's leave all the party politics aside. i think this is a plan different people can get around , different people can get around, it's been, complimented by people in the telegraph and the times, places that don't traditionally sort of compliment lib dem plans. but actually, this is a strategy that's actually going to have a long term solution to the social care crisis facing our country. okay, great. >> so we have to leave it there. and that's great stuff. callum robinson, jessica harrington denis macshane, thank very much. now we need to head to a we'll be back

soon. now, welcome back to the show.

and many mps have decided that this election is the right time for them to step down. and last week, former conservative mp for crawley, henry smith, announced his resignation after 14 years. and joining me now to talk about this is the man himself. welcome to the show . a pleasure to have to the show. a pleasure to have you.so to the show. a pleasure to have you. so 14 years ago, funny enough, tonight we have this big tv debate, the original tv debate, 2010 was when the nation was introduced to clegg mania. that's when you stepped up and you were elected into that coalition. shall we start with that? the 2010 you get in david cameron, of course, prime minister nick clegg. what was that like? >> well , that like? >> well, you're making me feel very old now because it seems like ancient history , so much like ancient history, so much political water has passed under the westminster bridge since that time, at the time we thought it was quite sort of edgy and exciting that there was a coalition government which we hadnt a coalition government which we hadn't seen before for many decades previously. little did i

know that would be the most stable five years of my 14 years in parliament. so it was obviously very exciting entering parliament. it was a combination of an ambition , something i'd of an ambition, something i'd wanted to achieve for such a long time, and we weren't expecting to go into coalition so it was, it was certainly, a very interesting time , but very interesting time, but really does seem so long ago since then, of course, we've had, you know, the scottish independence referendum , the independence referendum, the brexit referendum, the brexit deadlock and chaos, a global pandemic war in europe. so there's been lots to be keeping me busy. >> let's talk a bit about brexit. do you honestly think that david cameron, when he said i'll put it in the manifesto to grant the referendum, did you think that that would ever happen? >>i happen? >> ihopedit happen? >> i hoped it would. i've been somebody who has been arguing that the european union was bad for this country's democracy and independence for many years

beforehand , when it was very beforehand, when it was very actually unpopular. it was seen as a bit of an odd fringe argument to make. and so i was pleased it was in the manifesto. you know, obviously david cameron didn't believe in leaving the european union , as leaving the european union, as he made abundantly clear, which was the right thing to do, because, you know, he he lost the argument, but when that referendum came , i could just referendum came, i could just feel i knew it was going to happen against what the opinion polls said were the odds , one of polls said were the odds, one of the reasons why i'm leaving parliament now is i think we have squandered the 80 seat majority. we had in 2020. we could have done so much more with those brexit freedoms that we have now, appreciate , you we have now, appreciate, you know, covid came along, russia's invasion , invasion of ukraine, invasion, invasion of ukraine, but i really do feel we could have made more of brexit and still can a lot of people listen to this? >> henry will be nodding their heads profusely. it seems astonishing, does it not? in a

heartbeat. the 80 seat majority is being handed to where we seem to be travelling. the direction now. a tory wipe out akin to 1997. in that respect, henry, are you sort of glad you're ducking out now? >> i think now's the right time. there are a number of personal reasons as to why i've decided not to seek re—election, but also over the last two years, i've felt increasingly that the strategy that the government is employing , fits less and less employing, fits less and less with my principles. as i say, i think we could have been far bolder as a party with a good majority. we should have been slashing taxes . we should have slashing taxes. we should have been realising those brexit freedoms that we had in so many different ways . and we really, different ways. and we really, i think, wasted that opportunity. and there have been far too many unforced errors that have been made and indeed, even in the last 24 hours have been made. things that really, as a party, we should have been avoiding.

and so the tragedy of this is that it looks like we will be handing an election over to keir starmer , who stands for nothing starmer, who stands for nothing or worse than that, actually has very left wing tendencies . and very left wing tendencies. and certainly the people behind him have very left wing tendencies . have very left wing tendencies. and i very much worry for the future of this country under a starmer government. >> so, henry, you've been very forthright there about squandering that eight seat majority, not getting a proper brexit done. do you think the problem is the conservative party simply hasn't been very conservative? it's no longer a conservative party it seems still to be split along the kind of wets tories you might call them. and the more conservative actual tories . and is that the actual tories. and is that the undoing of the party? is that why we are where we are now? >> yes it is, and that's why i think we're seeing reform, coming up and being very popular, even though the campaign was only launched just a few days ago, when i speak to the electorate and i still do, politics will always be in my

blood to an extent. they're not crying out for keir starmer or laboun crying out for keir starmer or labour. different from how it was in the mid 1990s. in the run up to the 97 election, people were enthused about tony blair and new labour. they're not enthused about the labour offering now, but they are disappointed. upset and angry that we have squandered that 80 seat majority opportunity. i think the majority of the country is to the to the right of centre of politics. they want lower taxes , they want secure lower taxes, they want secure borders, and it is bitterly disappointing we haven't been able to deliver that now, henry. >> we've only got one minute left. we've got so much to pack in of your career. what do you think is your finest achievements in politics? how will you bow out happy? well one of the things i did when the pandemic hit was establish a group in parliament, an all party group called the future of aviation, to really lobby on behalf of the aviation sector. >> i had gatwick airport in my constituency. i think we've now seen a sector that is booming

back to pre 2019 levels and very successful. so that's one thing i'm pleased about. i also did a lot of work on animal welfare in my time in parliament. a lot of animal welfare policies have been brought through so i'm delighted about that. >> and you're probably relieved to be bowing out at the right time. henry smith, an illustrious career. thank you very much for joining illustrious career. thank you very much forjoining us here on gb news. and i'll be back at monday on at 3 pm. but first, it's the brilliant mark dolan with friday night live. that's of course, all after your weather with alex burkill. keep it right there. we've got a great friday night ahead. thank you very much . you very much. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers sponsors of weather on gb news. >> good evening. it's time for your latest gb news weather update brought to you by the met office. it is feeling a bit fresh considering it is early summer at the moment, and there will be some showery bursts around through the next couple

of days, all due to an area of low pressure just to the north northeast of us. that's driving some cooler air across the country and also some showery bursts as well. the showery bursts as well. the showery burst will be pushing their way southwards as we go through this evening and overnight. some clear spells in between, particularly across some eastern parts eastern scotland, north—east england perhaps, where we get the clear skies here, temperatures could drop, could get into low single figures , possibly a touch of figures, possibly a touch of grass, frost. nonetheless, a bit of a fresh chilly start for many of a fresh chilly start for many of us tomorrow. if we take a closer look at what we can expect tomorrow morning, then starting off in the south, a relatively cloudy picture for some of us, but some showery burst possible and some decent bright sunny spells maybe around the bristol channel. also a swathe of cloud and rain affecting more central parts that pushing its way southwards , that pushing its way southwards, then across northern ireland, northern england and into scotland. a mixture of sunny spells and scattered showers, the showers will always be most frequent in areas exposed to that north northwesterly wind, so northern northwestern scotland going to see the most

frequent showers. and here they will be pretty heavy at times . will be pretty heavy at times. there could even still be some rumbles of thunder and a bit of hail mixed in. and all the time some sleet or snow is possible over the highest ground. the cloud and rain across central parts through the morning does shift its way southwards and breaks up as it goes with brightening, sunnier skies developing across central parts. as we go through into the afternoon. temperatures just about getting into the low 20s. a bit disappointing for the time of year . sunday then starts off of year. sunday then starts off on a bright note across southern parts again . pretty chilly for parts again. pretty chilly for some here, but increasing amounts of cloud and outbreaks of rain will feed down from the north, and so particularly across northern parts, it is going to be a bit of a damp day with some heavier bursts of rain possible, more showery rain to come as we go into the beginning of next week, and no major rise in our temperatures , looks like in our temperatures, looks like things are heating

gb news. new director. >> tonight. welcome aboard. andy. it's going to be a wild one from the world headquarters of gb news. this is friday night live with mark dolan . the live with mark dolan. the weekend starts here, so bring your own drinks. the admission is free. and let's be honest, there's an election happening, so we all need a drink on tonight's show. should we cancel the election and just give it to labour so we can all have a nice july ? sir keir starmer's father july? sir keir starmer's father was a toolmaker. there's a gag in there somewhere. but do politicians back stories actually matter? also tonight in actually matter? also tonight in a friday night live exclusive, a former top government adviser has quit the tory party in fury. he tells me why shortly. plus, a crushingly awkward moment involving queen camilla and emmanuel macron's wife. is it time to ditch royal protocol ? time to ditch royal protocol? and what does an eligible bachelor look like in 2024?

to fall out over those topics and many more tonight are my friday 80. we've got former bbc radio broadcaster liz kershaw, author and journalist emma wolf, and political commentator shahab mossavat . my friday feeling mossavat. my friday feeling monologue is coming. you won't want to miss it. it's my roundup of the election madness so far. but first up, the news headlines and sam francis is . and sam francis is. >> very good evening to you. it's just after 8:00, and we'll start with a roundup of election news today . leading figures from news today. leading figures from the seven major political parties are now currently facing off in the second televised debate of the general election campaign. it's taking place on day 16 of campaigning, which has today been dominated by the prime minister's decision to

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