something. i mean, i was out there for the 65th anniversary, right.7 gordon brown wasn't even going to go until obama turned up . that was his deliberate up. that was his deliberate decision, not a diary mistake. so the prime minister said, you know, he's he's sorry about it. he's apologised immediately. and, you know, we ought to tell every , every single veteran in every, every single veteran in the country and all their relatives , you know, we really relatives, you know, we really treasure what they did for us. they gave you and me the freedom to talk today. they made sacrifices for it . it must have sacrifices for it. it must have been bloody terrifying, frankly, to be on that beach back in back 80 years ago. so, you know , 80 years ago. so, you know, let's understand it. we all understand that our prime ministers are patriot. he's sorry for the mistake, but you know , he's clearly goes to his know, he's clearly goes to his character, though, doesn't it.7 in what way .7 in what way.7 >> well, in what way? >> well, why on earth is he is he going out early, leaving his veterans , because he's a prime veterans, because he's a prime minister. he's being rushed. and the other the other prime ministers and presidents there don't have a general election on to be fair. and somebody made a mistake in the diary planning. you would know. you know, you're you're an experienced

journalist. you would know prime minister don't do their own diaries. so there we are. >> so someone did okay in the debate. we heard that linda said, why does nothing get done ? said, why does nothing get done? all these bloody promises by people like you, the politicians , but nothing gets done. why is that? >> well, actually it was a great line. i thought it was one of the better questions in truth. well, part of the reason you've seen in the last few years, you know, you've got for once in a generation events, you've got pandemic war in europe , the pandemic war in europe, the crash, which we hadn't recovered from when we took over all these things. and we and, you know, you get them, you get them dealt with and actually look at look at, look at, what rishi had to do . you know, he created the do. you know, he created the furlough scheme which kept people in work , you know, people in work, you know, factories would have been shut. >> people are sick of broken promises. and you've been in power for 14 years. surely it's time for a new party and an awful lot of things being delivered. >> i mean, you know, we talked about lots today. i mean, first off, i mean, i thought that the very opening question was a stunner when penny turned to

angela rayner and said, you can make whatever promises you like about the nuclear deterrent . if about the nuclear deterrent. if the other side don't believe you believe in it, it won't work. and you have voted any number of times against it, it absolutely shot her down, you know? so though , you know, that was though, you know, that was important on defence. we've actually increased by i think about 25 billion since , since about 25 billion since, since since 2020 before it became fashionable. before, before the sort of ukraine issue blew up, we were already on it, you know, in terms of spending and health care, you know, you know, again, record spending, numbers of policemen, record numbers, people don't see it because they hear all the pessimism all the time. >> nigel farage did talk about net migration, he said. it's made it made us all poorer. net migration has surged by 4 million during the 14 years of tory government. that's your failure as a party. >> well, i think the thing to understand, i mean, part of it was, was from europe. i mean, it was, was from europe. i mean, it was the open borders. that's why we had brexit, you know, he and i were. has it worked, david? >> you know, very well. >> you know, very well. >> well wait a minute. we're

here now right. listen i mean it's coming it's coming. legal migration is coming down. bear in mind the legal migration issue illegal is another matter. the legal migration issue you've got to take on board. we took the ukrainian people during that time. do you not want to do that? we took our passport holders from hong kong and we took afghan soldiers who fought for us. you don't want to do any of those things , you know. so of those things, you know. so we're bringing it down quite sharply now . new caps and sharply now. new caps and a parliamentary cap. i think that's wonderful . i'm a that's wonderful. i'm a parliamentarian. i want to control it. >> how did you find the audience in there? they were applauding anti—brexit remarks. pro migration remarks. are you out of touch with britain, or was that audience out of touch with what most people think? >> i guess, who knows how they select the audience? but, you know, these debates are stacked against the government of the day. inevitably you've got six people with nothing to defend and one government. you know, and one government. you know, and i suspect the audience has picked the same way. they've got people representing each. so you've got 6 to 1 against. i'm not surprised by that. you know, i know what i see on my doorsteps. i spent the whole

week on doorsteps i have been amazed at, to be honest. i mean, the first reform person i came across was today. all week , you across was today. all week, you know, lots of tories, lots of tories, very worried about the state of the polls. you know what you and i have watched? i mean, i've fought. this is my 11th election, right ? two things 11th election, right? two things always happen. one, people make dramatic mistakes on your guy. >> your guy? >> your guy? >> well, on all sides, i mean, you know, i could talk about, starmer in £2,000 per person tax, which he didn't deny , on tax, which he didn't deny, on the night, but also the polls. not quite always, but almost always are wrong. so let's see how it plays out. >> you're an optimist, david davis . davis. >> no, i'm a fighter. you know, that's what we're about. you know, this is a battle . it's know, this is a battle. it's a battle for the future of britain. you know, and as you saw today, clearly again, they have an answer. labour saw today, clearly again, they have an answer . labour haven't have an answer. labour haven't answered the questions on tax. they haven't got the plans . we they haven't got the plans. we had this wonderful gb energy, you know, you know great bills. you write bills okay. and you know and it doesn't do anything.

this company if the answer is nationalisation then you've got the question wrong. >> well david davis thank you for joining us today on gb news forjoining us today on gb news david davis who's a spokesman for the tory party here in the spin room. bev >> okay. thank you very much. chopper david davies in fighting form there saying it's a battle form there saying it's a battle for the future of britain. i don't know whether you're going to show us around a little bit. choppen to show us around a little bit. chopper. are you. oh i think he's gone. oh he's still. yeah, it's still there. >> yeah. i'm here now. yeah, i'm following me this way. this is this is the bbc interviews here. they're carrying on with. >> come on, chopper, this this is your this is your anneka rice moment. >> and they, they're queuing up here. >> two more interviews here with with the bbc, can you see. and this is where all the, the spin doctors are working hard here to try and brief the, the papers for tomorrow morning. round the corner you'll see, more , more corner you'll see, more, more cameras being used. it's quite a big, there's joe twyman from . big, there's joe twyman from. this is joe twyman. he'll be on shortly from, from the pollster. there's sean from the lib dems. and in the corner, tim shipman

there. the legend that is writing his tim shipman is writing his tim shipman is writing his tim shipman is writing his work there for, for sunday times. and around the corner here, you'll see everyone's running out the way of the camera. gb news. and this round here, there's more, as you'll see here, the full, the full, the full, all the old journalists, they're working hard on the papers for tomorrow morning around the corner here for paul. i'm going to show you this way. if you go this way, through here, you'll just see through here, you'll just see through that door if you follow me. paul there is a dalek. that's for you, bev. there's your dalek . so just proves we your dalek. so just proves we are actually in the bbc in the dub with the dalek . dub with the dalek. >> so if you're listening on the radio, there is a dalek there. in the reception of broadcasting house, chopper, let me just ask you a quick question from this evening. what do you reckon the papers will pick up on tomorrow? what were the big flashpoints for you? i'm thinking maybe the rivalry between rayner and penny mordaunt . mordaunt. >> sorry. no question, no question. bev, i felt that when you heard penny mordaunt say

that she could be leader at the next election, that suggestion now is that keir starmer's, in his early 60s. would he fight the next election if he becomes prime minister and if not, is angela rayner going to be the next prime minister labour leader, and i would argue, is penny mordaunt going to be fighting us? so did we see in microcosm the debate the next leader's debate between those two women, i thought, is very spicy and i thought nigel farage on the end there he he got a few landed a few remarks. i think i thought interesting about stop and search. he seemed in touch with, with voters or listeners or certainly those in the audience about his remarks about stop, stop and search. you heard some interesting remarks from the green party about green energy and the way i thought , energy and the way i thought, the way that the audience there applauded, the value of migrants coming to this country. and that's certainly at odds with reform uk and the tory party. but no question, for me, it was it was penny mordaunt. i thought she went quite far in criticising the prime minister over the d—day, snub . apparently over the d—day, snub. apparently when the pm left early during the celebration, i think the

fact that she was said she, he she, he was completely wrong and offended everyone in this country. that's fascinating i think. yeah, i think she went further in that criticism of the pm than he of himself. >> i thought so too. thank you. christopher hope we will let you go and get a glass of cheap, warm white bbc wine, which is no doubt knocking around there in the green room somewhere. it is friday night after all, and we'll be back to you in a little while. right. let's bring in our panel now . nigel nelson is here. panel now. nigel nelson is here. paul scully, former conservative mp and journalist and author. harriet. sergeant nigel, let me just ask the same question of you. what were the main stand out moments from this evening? >> i think i agree with chopra. it has to be angela rayner and penny mordaunt having a go at each other. i mean, penny mordaunt was presumably auditioning to be the next leader of the conservative party. i'm not quite sure how well she did that. and of course she has to keep her seat to do that anyway, also the big one that anyway, also the big one that that comes back is this whole tax issue . i don't think

whole tax issue. i don't think angela rayner answered that or shut it down as well as she should have done that. penny mordaunt is still knocking this line that under labour there will be £2,000 more in tax for ordinary people . it's nonsense ordinary people. it's nonsense that we know it's nonsense. none of the figures add up and i think that angela should have been more forceful about saying that. >> let's have a quick look at that. i think because this has been hanging around, of course, since the first leaders debate, this issue, this is how it was handled tonight. >> keir starmer confirmed this earlier this week . they are earlier this week. they are going to put up your taxes by £2,000 by £2,000 per year, by anymore. >> you're using you're using a figure that's been criticised by the uk statistics watchdog costings and labour's own stand by your record and you'll record levels of taxes on working people. >> 26 separate tax hikes in the last parliament paul. >> that figure has been quite

debunked this week as being a little bit of conservative, bookkeeping , jiggery pokery, bookkeeping, jiggery pokery, maybe . yeah. so i thought it was maybe. yeah. so i thought it was a bit of a mistake for penny mordaunt to bring that out again. well, i think it's, i think it's, you know, the uncertainty for the future. >> what the figure, as i understand it is it's £2,000, £2,094 over the parliament. >> it's not it's right. it's not over years. yeah. each and every yeah over years. yeah. each and every year. but nonetheless i think the sense of direction or that there putting across in that campaign and keep repeating it is that your taxes are going to go is that your taxes are going to 9° up is that your taxes are going to go up under a labour government. i mean, they are there are some things that they've used conservatively. the £28 billion that originally was going to be every single year by the labour party. they then rowed back on it and they've used a conservative figure, a small c conservative figure, a small c conservative figure, a small c conservative figure on it, obviously, rather than the spend, and these kind of things. so i think what they're doing is saying this is the sense of direction that you've got from the labour party, because they're promising a lot and they haven't really done their costings properly. >> and it was quite clever when

rishi sunak used that in the leaders debate, because that was the headline on the papers. the next day, and it did land to spark that fear in people that a labour government. labour equals more taxation. but i thought by now that maybe penny mordaunt should have had. >> wasn't it something else ? >> wasn't it something else? >> wasn't it something else? >> wasn't it interesting that that, as nigel said, though sorry, that , that angela didn't sorry, that, that angela didn't answer the question fully as you might have done, shut it down and keir didn't either. so there is obviously something behind that that's that's worrying. >> do you is that your. >> do you is that your. >> i have to say, i came in here thinking i was going to be captivated by angela rayner because she's meant to have this amazing charisma . i have right amazing charisma. i have right wing friends who tell me about this amazing charisma . this amazing charisma. >> do you mean angela rayner has charisma? >> yes. this is what i have been told. >> who told you that? >> who told you that? >> oh, a lot of people have told me that, so i, i and also she's got lots of hair which, you know, i there's a big hair. >> penny mordaunt has very big hair. >> well she did tonight. i mean this is where all my preconceptions were blown out of the water because actually i

thought angela rayner never really got going . she was quite really got going. she was quite wooden and she didn't strike me as, as, as a sort of prime minister in waiting, which she clearly thinks. she said she thinks she will be a very good prime minister because she takes hard decisions . but she to me, hard decisions. but she to me, she didn't have that charisma i was. i found that fascinating how wooden and whereas penny mordaunt , who i'm not a big fan mordaunt, who i'm not a big fan of. yeah was really much stronger. and i thought the example of that was with this tax, which she clearly knows isn't true. we all know it's you know, dodgy as you said. but she said it with such conviction that you just accepted it. >> doesn't that make you just distrust her, though? i mean, if you're going to keep hammering home a figure that we know is rubbish, but it's the way she did, it was just i. i accept that and i accept that. the tory plan at the moment is keep hammering home this figure, keep hammering home this figure, keep hammering it home and it'll get into the public consciousness .

into the public consciousness. but when we all now know it's completely made up and it's rubbish, do you not think that it's rubbish, do you not think that wsfime rubbish, do you not think that it's time they actually stop doing it? >> move on. i agree, but but the fact that angela rayner did not fight back, i mean this fascinating. >> this is the ming vase thing, isn't it? because if you look at keir starmer, he was really nervous when he when he started off, angela rayner looked very nervous at the beginning of this. they're really trying not to drop the bars. yes they are. yeah. all of this. can i get through the hour and a half without without dropping anything rather than and i thought also what was interesting, i'm going to watch another clip in just a moment. >> but i thought also what was interesting is, given that nigel farage is only newly the leader of reform, a new party, they all wanted to take a swipe at him. >> they all mentioned him . >> they all mentioned him. >> they all mentioned him. >> wasn't it interesting that you had this is bbc position. i'm guessing you had angela rayner next to penny mordaunt. that's where the fight was . but that's where the fight was. but nigel farage was. it worked both ways for nigel because actually everyone had a swipe at him, but he's always able to survey . he's always able to survey. yeah, these are the guys that i'm trying to swipe aside and reform . reform. >> he's literally a metaphorically marginalised in a sense by the setting was also

helped him that positioning. >> i quite agree with you because i found it such a breath of fresh air. nigel farage i mean, it just emphasised how we've had this cosy political consensus. we've had this cosy political consensus . yes, all of them said consensus. yes, all of them said the same thing on all the big issues, whether it was immigration, the nhs , you know, immigration, the nhs, you know, taxation, it was all the same thing. and nigel had a different viewpoint. and in my opinion, having done sort of various think tank reports and research into things like the nhs and immigration, a much more truthful, well—informed insights than any of the others who simply didn't were living, in my opinion, a mythical fantasy land and seemed very much on side with the audience as well. >> but we will come on to that in a minute. let's have a look at nigel farage talking at the debate this evening. >> here he is just that their leaders are dull. don't clear. well, very dull . leaders are dull. don't clear. well, very dull. in the leaders are dull. don't clear. well, very dull . in the case of well, very dull. in the case of laboun well, very dull. in the case of labour, the real leader of the labour, the real leader of the labour party is here tonight on

the stage. at least she's got some personality. we've got rishi slippery sunak. you know, he's fed all the lines to penny mordaunt. don't believe any of it . it. >> nigel. number two, after nigel number one, let me come to you , the only time that nigel you, the only time that nigel got a bit of a laugh out of the room tonight was when he took a swipe at blair without the flair, talking about sir keir starmer. how do you think he did on a on a personal level? on a presentational level? >> well, a presentational level, as always. nigel was brilliant, when you get down to it , i as always. nigel was brilliant, when you get down to it, i mean, i'd like to have heard a bit more about his nhs policy , which more about his nhs policy, which was the first i'd heard that where he's talking about how we must basically dismantle the nhs as it stands and have something different. he pointed towards france but didn't give us any detail on that. we know about the immigration policy. he didn't seem to go into it in any more detail than we know , i more detail than we know, i don't think that's going to work anyway. i mean, but the but

presentationally nigel always does have a presence . he's very does have a presence. he's very good at these kind of things. i think he's let down by having so many people to try and debate with, because as as harriet was saying, there's this sort of consensus of opinion of a very left. >> it made me think , sitting >> it made me think, sitting there, that we've had, you know, five political parties that could easily be described as left wing, with the conservatives somewhere in the middle and nigel on the end , you middle and nigel on the end, you know what i mean, paul? >> it was. yeah. i mean, look, i've always talked about the conservative party and where it needs to go to next is not lurch . you know, someone says, are you going to lurch somewhere? so lurch is not a good word in politics. you don't lurch anywhere. it's how you respond to things. and you've got to start in the centre ground, not wishy washy centre ground, but you've got to start where the majority of people are. if you're standing on one end of it, shouting that audience just not reacting to you, then you're not reacting to you, then you're not going to get anywhere. you start there and you take them on that journey with you. >> who do you well, who do you

think there tonight would be described as sitting in that centre ground ? centre ground? >> well, i mean, i think i think penny did a pretty good job. well, penny and angela are definitely within the centre ground because, you know, you can't come out at the back of spending £408 billion on covid and then thinking, you know, when you want your money back effectively, you know, and pay down, but then own it, but then own it, do a good job. >> i mean, what i mean on on the nhs, she just said, let's spend more money like everybody else, which doesn't work. i mean, i think nigel is absolutely right. there's plenty of countries, france being the one he picked, but there's plenty of others who have a free health care and which works much better where people are much better heart and everything else, and where people are actually alive, where they're dead. in the uk . so it's they're dead. in the uk. so it's i think that's just spending more money, which mostly go, as i saw when i was writing about the nhs, mostly seems to go on nhs managers with no good being

done to the patient. >> i think there's a certain culture and management approach that you can take rather than having to. i think, as nigel seemed to be, implying that you dismantle the entire thing. i don't think you necessarily need to dismantle it, but there is certain a massive inefficiency about the way that the nhs is run with the money, because if you just shove loads of money at it. i remember at various spending rounds , people, spending rounds, people, ministers in the treasury saying ikeep ministers in the treasury saying i keep getting requests for more money, but i don't know what it's going on. >> but this is the problem with the nhs. >> ever since its formation in 1948, that all we've done is because we because it becomes almost a religion in this country. we tinker at the edges, we don't do any proper reforms and that applies to all government. >> stephen flynn was trying to pull that back, wasn't he? >> yes he was. >> i heard him mention that. yes yeah. that sanctity. >> but i mean, for instance, the stabbing is another thing. i've just recently done a quite a big series on on stabbing and looked at all the stats and again , at all the stats and again, nigel was right and everybody else completely missed it, which is it's because stop and search does work because actually nigel

didn't mention this, but all right. so a much higher proportion of the black community gets stopped and searched. but the key fact is that a much higher proportion of the black community get stabbed. so you're not going to do one without the other. and it's one of these tough political decisions which all the other , decisions which all the other, politicians just seem to duck. yes >> and look awkward and look embarrassed to either anybody's even raising that issue. yeah, right after our conversation . right after our conversation. thanks for now, guys. but after our conversation with david davis, here are the candidates for the goole and pocklington constituency liam derrick, henry draycott for the labour party, david davies for the conservative party, richard kelly for reform, dale richard needham for the liberal democrats, angela stone for the green party and shona wade for the is an independent right, still to come, a lot more dissection of tonight's debate. let us know what you thought of it. gbnews.com forward slash

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break. welcome back to patrick christys. tonight with me. bev turner. just for one evening. now we continue tonight's reaction to the bbc's seven way election debate with supporters of the four main parties who are leading in the polls. so for the

conservatives, we have former tory mp and health minister edwina currie. there's peter edwards, former editor of labour list. we're also joined by former liberal democrat mp and party chairman mark oaten and rupert lowe from reform uk . rupert lowe from reform uk. okay. good evening to you all. now i presume you were all, captivated this evening by the debates, edwina currie , let me debates, edwina currie, let me come to you first. i thought actually compared to the leaders debate, there was a lot more in it. i liked the fact that angela rayner and penny mordaunt got to go toe to toe. at one point, they were pointing at each other so closely they were nearly holding hands, so overall, paul, who do you think came out on top ? >> 7- >> oh, i ? >> oh, i thought this was much more entertaining. you're quite right , there was, angela rayner right, there was, angela rayner looking like a kind of red barbie. absolutely terrifying, there was a green lady who's so green, she actually has green eyes and there was a pink lady who i think has something to do

with the liberal democrats, there was a welsh guy, and there was stephen flynn, a scottish quy- was stephen flynn, a scottish guy. who. what's he doing wearing a suit? why isn't he in a kilt and waving a claymore? absolute warrior type and little nigel farage. did anybody else realise how small nigel farage is? and he's the only one with, with bad teeth . he obviously with bad teeth. he obviously doesn't go to a dentist, nhs or otherwise. i thought penny mordaunt to be a little more serious. did extremely well on what must have been extremely difficult day . a really tough difficult day. a really tough wicket to come in on. she was quite clear on the issue of where rishi should should have been yesterday and then she batted extremely well and, yeah , batted extremely well and, yeah, i think she scored a century. i thought she did excellently. i'm so sorry to interrupt you, jess. >> please don't go anywhere. we want to go back. just stay right with us. i want to go back to christopher hope, who's in the spin room, for us, because i believe that he is with lisa nandy. good evening. chris. good evening. what's lisa got to say about tonight's performance ?

about tonight's performance? >> hi, bev. >> hi, bev. >> welcome back to the spin room here in the bbc. after the seven way debate. with me now is lisa nandy the labour frontbencher. lisa, thanks for joining us on gb news tonight. it's great to see you here. the big question at the beginning was would keir starmer defend this country with a nuclear deterrent? and angela rayner couldn't quite answer the question initially. will he keep the country safe. >> well i think she did answer the question actually. i think she couldn't have been clearer that she has a brother who served in iraq and this matters to her. it's personal to her. and i think you could see the reaction on the faces of the audience when she said so. i think what we saw from penny mordaunt tonight was nothing short of disgraceful. it's clear that the conservatives are getting more and more desperate, and they're again throwing out lies about labour's tax commitments, attacking angela rayner for commitments that we've already made, that she supports about renewing the nuclear deterrent, for example, which is very much a part of our party policy and will be in our

manifesto. the really striking thing for me was that in amongst all of that, penny mordaunt trashed rishi sunak for not going to coming home quick too quickly from the d—day celebrations three times. and if you want any better indication that another five years of the tories means another five years of chaos, it's the fact that there was an audition going on on that stage tonight. two people vying to be the next leader of the conservative party, nigel farage and penny mordaunt. there was only one person who was speaking directly to the country and that was angela rayner. >> well, on the issue of leadership, penny mordaunt did said that the real leader of the labour party is angela rayner. the tories clearly think that she's a weakness in your armoury. >> i don't know why the conservatives would think that attacking labour for having a strong working class woman in a key position in the leadership would be seen by the public as a strength. but i think it tells you a lot about this current crop of conservatives, and the truth is that it looked to me tonight from the way that penny mordaunt was running scared on

that stage, that actually the real leader of the conservative party right now is nigel farage. and i think if you want any better indication of what a mess they would continue to make of this country, it's the fact that their own internal squabbles and disputes were on full display tonight , at disputes were on full display tonight, at the one moment where they had to find it in them to respond with empathy to people talking about the reality of their lives. on the issue of tax, let's not relitigate the £2,000 figure, which the tories push out. >> but the angela rayner said we have absolutely guaranteed we will not raise taxes for working people in this country. is that right? because the guardian reports that you're looking at 12 to 14 tax rises in the autumn budget . budget. >> yeah, but this is the point. first of all, that is a lie that labouris first of all, that is a lie that labour is going to raise taxes by £2,000 on people. and i think it's been widely discredited. and angela was very clear about that. whereas by contrast, penny mordaunt accepted that under the conservatives taxes are at their highest level on working people for 71 years. and we want to see

that come down. that is our ambition. we're not going to raise vat, we're not going to raise vat, we're not going to raise national insurance, we're not going to raise income tax, we're going to grow the economy, spend responsibly and fund our pubuc spend responsibly and fund our public services through the economic growth that this country has been denied after 14 years, during 14 years, you've got to increase debt. >> you've got to increase or increase taxes or cut public services to fund your programme or spend money more responsibly through the office for value for money that will introduce stabilise the economy. >> delivering a stable economy is our number one pledge because through that you can keep people's mortgages and rents and taxes much lower than they've been under this disastrous conservative government, particularly liz truss, and grow the economy. and the chief way that we'll do that is to get britain building again, to get money back into people's pockets, good jobs in every part of the country and create that economic growth that can fund good public services . good public services. >> just last question here. gb energy stands for giant bills. according to penny mordaunt and nigel farage said that net zero

was a bad policy, a fool's paradise. are you not going to try and ladle this all up with with green policies and no one can afford if you win power? no. >> and it does make you wonder who is coming up with this stuff. for penny mordaunt, it was just absurd . but the more was just absurd. but the more serious point is this i'm the member of for parliament wigan. this is my home, my community. i know what a bad transition looks like. ed miliband, our shadow secretary of state for energy, is the mp for doncaster. he knows what a bad transition looks like. we are committing when we publish our manifesto, to creating more jobs in for nonh to creating more jobs in for north sea oil and gas workers than currently exist, but essentially jobs that are future proofed in clean energy so that they can power us through the next century, like their parents and grandparents, powered us through the last lisa nandy thank you to stay there. >> lisa nandy bev. that's lisa nandy. have you got one question for her? >> yeah, well, yes. chopper, i just want to see whether she thought the audience was as biased towards the left as many people who were watching on

social media seem to think about that audience . only the hard that audience. only the hard left points got a round of applause . applause. >> well, i did, i did think that. yeah, there's a question that. yeah, there's a question that bev turner's asking the studio was the audience biased in favour of the left? i say that because there was applause for anti—brexit remarks. pro—migration attacks on the government. have you got that audience loaded or is that or is the right out of touch with mainstream thinking in britain nowadays? >> look, i think the reaction of the audience was just quite straightforwardly not left or right, but they raised serious concerns about the cost of living crisis in nhs dentistry and the treatment of our veterans. and they wanted clear answers and that's what they got from angela rayner. and that's why i think you saw such a strong response in the audience. i know from my experience that people hate it when politicians don't answer the question, and that's my honest take on what happened tonight. i think they got straight answers from a straight talking woman, and it's put us in a good place

electorally. now we're going to go out and fight for every vote between now and the 4th of july to deliver that change that britain needs . britain needs. >> well, lisa nandy, thank you. now you have it, bev. it was a fair audience. lisa said. >> well, that would tell us that if lisa felt they were on side, that maybe it wasn't a fair audience. after all. i'd like to ask that question of nigel farage and see if he felt the love in the room. >> well, bev. well, bev, with me now is chris heaton—harris , the now is chris heaton—harris, the former northern ireland secretary and mp . now forgive secretary and mp. now forgive me, the current northern ireland secretary and a former mp forgive me, chris heaton—harris. was that audience biased against the tories? >> oh no . a bad politician will >> oh no. a bad politician will always blame the audience and i know i heard your question to lisa about what they clapped for and whatever , i don't think you and whatever, i don't think you can read anything into that because had you gone back to 2016 and any of the debates on leaving the european union, if you'd have gone by audience reaction alone , we'd have stayed reaction alone, we'd have stayed in the european union with a massive majority. >> so you don't have to worry about that. >> surely in that case, then you're completely out of touch with the mainstream public

opinion because they're applauding anti—brexit comments and they're applauding pro—migration remarks. basically, you're out of touch in the tory party >> never, never blame the audience. chris, for how about the people who put the other audience? >> i know i'm pollsters are always right . okay, okay. always right. okay, okay. >> how did penny mordaunt do in there? you think she did? >> she did. i think penny did really, really well. i mean, it's really always difficult to be. i mean , since these debates be. i mean, since these debates really first came about in modern times, it's always been conservative and government and everybody else kind of launching torpedoes against you. and she made all the points that we wanted to make this evening . wanted to make this evening. really, really. well, we wanted to make the point that labour had no credibility in their economic plan, that they are going to tax people tremendously. we wanted to make the point that when it comes to national security, you just cannot trust labour and you don't need to think about what labour say on that. what you need to think about is what our foes say on that. would vladimir putin really believe that labour would use the ultimate deterrent? and we wanted people to know that labour's policy on

energy is just, it's just the queen. it's the mary celeste . queen. it's the mary celeste. there is nothing in there at all apart from huge cost going on people's bills. >> nigel farage did get some applause. unlike penny mordaunt tonight, he's he said there that you can nick 200 quid's worth of goods and not get nicked. and that's an indictment on your party's policy for 14 years on law and order. >> but crime has fallen. if we take away online online fraud, crime has fallen 55. and if you take a knife crime and we did have a very sensible and a question on knife crime this evening, gentlemen, with real concerns about the levels of knife crime. knife crime has fallen two, if you remove the statistics for london, where the london labour mayor has got a completely different view on how this should be policed. >> question from linda. why does nothing ever get done? you guys just talk and talk at elections and nothing gets better . just talk and talk at elections and nothing gets better. having had your time, now it's time for laboun >> soi laboun >> so i believe things actually have got done and a lot of things have got done when we

went into covid, you know, furlough and an and the loans that we made to businesses kept our economy alive . that is our economy alive. that is getting things done. no one expected that, the pandemic to come brexit, we have left the european union. yes. there are still tail end bits of it. i'm secretary state for northern ireland. i know, i know all about those tail end bits. but we have left the european union. we can have policies and a whole host of areas that we haven't had before, whether it be common agricultural policy, our social policy, our trade policy, and no one is seeing any benefit of brexit at all yet. and you've beenin brexit at all yet. and you've been in power. >> i disagree entirely so long. >> i disagree entirely so long. >> i disagree entirely so long. >> i mean, actually, if you pay, if you pay car insurance, you've seen a £50, your bills would have gone up £50 more had we still been in the european union because of a judgement called the viaduct judgement, which we didn't have to implement, if you look at the trade deals we are doing , this is benefiting doing, this is benefiting british business as we speak. and then we had ukraine happen which, which has put everybody's energy bills up and we supported people there. so we've done lots

of things . some of the things we of things. some of the things we didn't even we didn't expect to do, but we've got the 20,000 police extra on our streets. we've delivered on a whole host of our manifesto pledges as well. one thing you have done is allow 4 million people to arrive here. >> net legally, since you you took over power in 2010. that's a failure, isn't it? and it's made people poorer. and gordon nigel farage in that debate tonight. >> so i mean, we've definitely got to control illegal and legal routes to migration. the, the laws we've changed and the rules we've changed this year have cut legal migration by 300,000 already. and we do want to go further. and we do need to get these rwanda flights off. because if you do not have a deterrent, you're never going to break the criminal gangs that are running people through just very quickly. >> penny mordaunt three times criticised the prime minister over leaving d—day early. that is leadership grab by her. >> no, that's penny mordaunt relating to everybody . what the relating to everybody. what the prime minister himself has basically said he got he made he got a decision wrong and he's apologised for it. >> and just finally to ask you, you're leaving, parliament, you're leaving, parliament,

you're stood down as an mp, you're stood down as an mp, you're quitting as northern ireland secretary . you're going ireland secretary. you're going to miss all this, it's friday night. i'm in a room full of politicians and journalists. am i going to miss all this? you are kidding , i going to miss all this? you are kidding, chris heaton—harris, the northern ireland secretary, who is quitting politics shortly. he's not going to miss it, is he, beth ? beth? >> it doesn't sound like it, does it, chopper , thank you so does it, chopper, thank you so much. we will come back to you as the evening goes on. now, let's go back to our debates. we were joined just previously, and we're going to go back to them now. edwina currie, peter edwards also the lib dem party chairman, mark oaten and rupert lowe from reform uk, right. let me come to you first, mark, because actually daisy cooper of the lib dems representing the lib dems tonight was we all agreed here in the office really very impressive. she's a very charismatic communicator here, do you think if she was leading the lib dems instead of ed davey, you might be doing better ? >> well, 7— >> well, look, 7_ >> well, look, i ? >> well, look, i think ed's doing a fantastic job and

although he started the campaign with all of these gimmicks , i with all of these gimmicks, i think he's managed to draw attention to himself and the party. so no , no question about party. so no, no question about it. ed's doing a good job. i thought, i mean , it's a really thought, i mean, it's a really dull format, frankly, and i was tempted to switch over to the football a few times during it. i felt to a large extent, that whole interaction between penny mordaunt and angela rayner was where the fire was , and i don't where the fire was, and i don't think either of them did themselves any favours. i think people looking at that, seeing them arguing, talking over each other, it will have backfired against them and i was particularly surprised. i've always thought penny morden was quite good. i don't think, as edwina did, that she scored a century. i thought she was out for a golden duck. she was aggressive, she was attacking. she was clearly had a brief to try and wind angela rayner up to see if angela rayner would bite back. and actually rayner stayed fairly calm throughout all of it, did she? >> peter edwards , did you agree >> peter edwards, did you agree with angela rayner? >> was very robust tonight. but that's her personality and i think people quite like that.

and i'm not a fan of nigel farage, but the way he does, plain speaking, the public clearly like that. i'm from essex, i like plain speakers. i think where angela rayner came off slightly better. is she was a bit more impromptu, whereas penny mordaunt was rolling out scripted attack lines, including on the mythical two labour tax figure, and it sounded very wooden, rupert, let me come to you then, of reform uk, we were surprised by the places in the debate where the applause came. i'm thinking particularly stephen flynn of the snp, when he said that he would like to promote more migration and he got a round of applause. and i mean, even i think sort of the most liberal left wing left wing minded people still know we can't get an appointment at the nhs and we can't get a decent place in schools. and every road feels full and we can't buy a house. so what does that reaction tell you about the

bbc's audience tonight ? bbc's audience tonight? >> well, one of the things i was going to say is it's a bbc audience, which means it's not impartial. so it's been picked by the bbc. we regularly see bbc audiences which are skewed to the left, and i think tonight was no exception, equally, i was quite amused by the fact they were saying everything's being fact checked . well, pity they fact checked. well, pity they didn't. fact check fiona bruce on question time the other night when she cut across nigel farage and got her facts completely wrong. so look, it's a bbc audience . i thought, like all audience. i thought, like all these debates, as one person said, we get these pure old people making ridiculous promises, once every five years because they want the people's vote. we know they break their pledges. they all do. there's no difference . well, the depressing difference. well, the depressing fact about tonight's debate. nigel's right. fact about tonight's debate. nigel's right . we need complete nigel's right. we need complete reform. the way we're governed and the truth is that the major issue is got too much state. the state is too big. nobody talks

about this. it wasn't debated between starmer and rishi the other night , between starmer and rishi the other night, it's far too big. it's crowding out the private sector . and ultimately it sector. and ultimately it started with blair brown , started with blair brown, campbell and mandelson. sadly, the tories with an 80 seat majority, which we handed them in 2019 because we stood down, i stood down in dudley north and gave a man called longhi a seat, they've done nothing to repeal they've done nothing to repeal the human rights act or a lot of the human rights act or a lot of the heffalump traps laid by blair and his acolytes, which ultimately undermine britain, undermined our institutions , set undermined our institutions, set mass immigration, uncontrolled mass immigration, uncontrolled mass immigration, uncontrolled mass immigration going. let's i have nothing against i have nothing against immigration. the fact is, the tories have continued it. >> let's just have a look at that clip from tonight. this is where, stephen flynn of the snp was talking to the audience on the question about migration . the question about migration. here it is. >> migration is absolutely essential to our public services. >> it's absolutely essential to our businesses, and it's

absolutely essential to our economic . economic. >> what did you make of that, peter ? peter? >> well, i'm not a fan of the snp, but it's a statement of economic reality. and i think it was caladenia from the greens made the point about the nhs. you're more likely to meet meet a migrant as a doctor or a nurse rather than as a patient. you know there's already a vacancy rate , i think just over 1, rate, i think just over 1, around 900,000 people in the uk economy . the idea we've got jobs economy. the idea we've got jobs we can't fill and then we, block entry to people that might fill the jobs and help grow our economy and boost our workforce. well, very daft indeed. we have. i think we haven't shown any of them know a bit more on this stream of consciousness about immigration. >> you know, we haven't shown any of khalife yet representing the greens tonight . let's have the greens tonight. let's have a little clip of what she had to say . say. >> first of all, reflecting back to what nigel farage said, how cold hearted do you have to be to not want people who are

coming here on work visas to be able to bring their husbands or wives or infant children with them ? them? >> it'll be pretty cold hearted . >> it'll be pretty cold hearted. >> it'll be pretty cold hearted. >> mark. it was almost like she was. she was waiting for a round of applause there, mark. but she didn't get one. perhaps surprisingly, given how the audience had responded to other questions . questions. >> no, she didn't get one there, and i thought she was rather nervous throughout most of the programme. but she ended up really, really well with a great line, which is, yes, it's true, the labour party has changed. it's changed into the conservative party. i thought that was a cracking line and she got some applause for that at least. >> yeah. edwina you can see though, why the greens are so attractive to the younger voter. if you noticed so many of their answers were aimed at the younger voter. i think it was about , it was even younger voter. i think it was about, it was even a younger voter. i think it was about , it was even a question about, it was even a question about, it was even a question about, i think about the nhs. and she she managed to turn it to it was a cost of living question about how they would raise the basic, minimum wage to

£15 an hour. and i thought, well, if you're 20, 21 years old watching that, you've just they've just secured your vote. >> well, no, i think you're making an assumption that actually young people are on the lowest wages. and i don't think that's necessarily true. and of course, it all raises the question , the very big question question, the very big question of people making promises. i thought this was the very much the best audience, issue , but the best audience, issue, but politicians make promises during election campaigns that they can't keep when they're in office. and that's partly because, apart from penny, who i thought was doing extremely well, everyone is in kind of cloud cuckoo land. you cannot at the same time have better services, increase wages, which also means, of course, increase national insurance contributions from businesses, increase public services, do the potholes have more teachers? have more doctors , have more police officers and not increase taxes ? and one of not increase taxes? and one of the reasons you can't is because debtis the reasons you can't is because

debt is at record levels at the moment, and that's because of covid. so there's an unreality about it. but the problem is, of course , there's any politician course, there's any politician that actually tells the truth dunng that actually tells the truth during an election campaign ain't going to get elected because the voters too often want to hear a fantasy. they want to hear a fantasy. they want to hear that it's possible to have it all that you can have taxes down, and you can have better public services and that's what the labour party is trying to sell them. and it's absolute nonsense. if they get in with the help of reform, because reform may win millions of votes , but all they're going of votes, but all they're going to do is make sure that labour gets a bigger majority or with the help of the various nationalists or lib dems or whoever, all of whom are eating away at the conservative number of seats , all you're going to of seats, all you're going to get is a labour party with a big majority and a big headache, and they cannot actually manage to do all the things they want to do all the things they want to do and satisfy all their various customers and clients, including the unions , without putting up

the unions, without putting up taxes. a lot , a lot. taxes. a lot, a lot. >> edwina. edwina. none of the parties can do that. that's the problem. and i actually agree with you. i think if the lib dems had come out and said a penny on income tax to pay for the nhs, it would have been hugely honest and hugely popular . so i agree with you. i think this is the big lie that all of the parties are actually peddling, and they're not going to be able to keep that promise . okay. >> all right, all of you, we have been beaten by the clock. edwina peter, mark and rupert, thank you so much . right. still thank you so much. right. still to come, nigel farage says that sunak's d—day blunder reminded him of this moment from gordon brown . oh, everything. she just brown. oh, everything. she just is a bigoted woman . so is it. is a bigoted woman. so is it. sunaks gillian duffy moment? it was certainly a pr disaster today. more on that shortly and we continue our reaction to tonight's leader special. from the spin room to the studio. it's all . this is patrick christys tonight with me. bev turner

gb news. welcome back to gb news. patrick christys. having a much deserved night off. it's me. bev turner tonight. now, if you're just tuning in there was a seven way debate tonight with the leaders of the main parties. let's go live now to the spin room at the location the bbc, where gb news political editor christopher hopeis political editor christopher hope is with, i think, doctor david bull from the reform party i >> -- >> that's lam >> that's right. bevan with david bull, who's the health spokesman for the reform uk party. david, good evening to you and deputy leader by the way. forgive me. and deputy leader thank for joining us tonight on gb news. nigel farage wants to proportional representation. he wants to reform the voting system. why is he so scared of first past the post? he won't win any mps. that's why. don't be ridiculous. >> of course we're polling at 17 or 18. >> actually .

>> actually. >> actually. >> so why change the system then? >> because the system doesn't work when you've got people who are voting for us in their millions. >> and that doesn't translate into parliamentary seats. that means the system doesn't work, does it? and what it does is favour those big parties and keeps them in power. look, i was in the european parliament. we got in. we were the largest party in the european parliament and we did that on a form. >> but you want to change the rules to win? >> no we don't. we think we want to change it because it's not fair. and you know that as well as i do. the fact is that also in terms of ofcom guidance and electoral law and how much time we can have on television, for example, it's also biased and skewed for those two main parties. and i'll tell you what, and this is what i've been saying all evening, there is a massive disconnect between the metropolitan bubble, the elite in the major cities like london. and when you go out campaigning, i'm telling you, i'm hearing something quite different. >> okay. on that issue of elite, the audience applauded attacks on brexit. they applauded, comments about pro—migration. isn't your party out of touch ? no. >> absolutely not. why not?

because when you go around the country , people are pro—brexit. country, people are pro—brexit. we haven't brexited properly. we've annexed northern ireland, we've put a border in the irish sea. you tell me. another country that would go around wilfully annexing part of its territory . territory. >> what's the audience? biased? >> what's the audience? biased? >> this audience was a very london centric audience, he says. politically, nigel answers were long winded. >> he barely mentioned reform uk . this party is a vanity project. for him. >> that is not true . richard >> that is not true. richard tice and i have worked tirelessly for three years to keep the party together, and richard is so magnanimous in this and he's put country before party. we know nigel is a massive draw around the country and you can see that. >> look at the poll just quickly on the health issue. nigel farage backs a french, a french style funded model. what on earth is that? >> so. so i wrote the health policy. we want a health health care to remain free at the point of need. it's really important that the money follows the patient and who delivers it is irrelevant to the patient. i want great care. >> okay. david pool, thank you. david pool, whose reform uk's, health health spokesman. thank you for joining

health health spokesman. thank you forjoining . health health spokesman. thank you for joining . joining us health health spokesman. thank you forjoining . joining us here bev. >> thank you chris. interesting david ball was keen to point out the hierarchy in that party. oh right. i'm going to ask my panel next who won that key battle. penny mordaunt or angela rayner. they were at each other's throats all evening. if you missed it, don't go anywhere. i'll play the clips right after the whether . the whether. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers sponsors or whether on gb news. >> good evening. it's time for your latest gb news weather update brought to you by the met office. it is feeling a bit fresh considering it is early summer at the moment, and there will be some showery bursts around through the next couple of days, all due to an area of low pressure just to the north northeast of us. that's driving some cooler air across the country and also some showery bursts as well. the showery bursts as well. the showery burst will be pushing their way southwards as we go through this evening and overnight. some clear spells in between, particularly across some eastern parts eastern scotland,

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gb news. >> 10 pm. this is patrick christys. tonight with me. bev turner. >> absolute rubbish. we've absolutely guaranteed we will not raise taxes, but we're.

>> i'm. i'm going to policies. >> i'm. i'm going to policies. >> are you going to take out of your manifesto which ones we will pay for our manifesto isn't just that their leaders are dull. >> don't clearly . well, very >> don't clearly. well, very dull. in the case of labour. >> well, it all kicked off tonight between the prize fighters of the seven main parties, particularly penny mordaunt and angela rayner, who were in slapping distance of each other. i'm going to be asking, did they help or hinder their individual party's chances and rishi sunak misses d—day events to get back on the campaign trail was a mistake, and i apologise for that. oh, did he let our war heroes down? i'm going to be speaking to one shortly. who is outraged. plus zionist . the conservative zionist. the conservative feeling up and down the country only getting worse. i'm also going to have all of tomorrow's newspapers front pages, of course, with my panel. a journalist and author, harriet

sergeant, former conservative mp paul scully and gb news senior political commentator nigel nelson . oh, this is the plus nelson. oh, this is the plus sized model who has just won the miss alabama beauty pageant. i'm not actually kidding. why? why why is this lady representing health, fitness and beauty? should she all of that to come in the next hour? there's no time to waste. so it's mordaunt versus rayner . next. >> very good evening to you. it's just after 10:00. and as bev was mentioning there, let's get a round up from the election campaign today. leading figures from the seven major political parties have tonight concluded

90 minutes of intense back and forth with the economy , armed forth with the economy, armed forces, the nhs and immigration, along with the climate policy dominating their heated exchanges, answering questions from the audience, labour's angela rayner and conservative penny mordaunt engaged in a clash over taxes. meanwhile, stephen flynn from the snp said that brexit had put up food pnces that brexit had put up food prices and claimed it's been an unmitigated disaster for the economy . green party co—leader economy. green party co—leader caledonia attacked the conservatives and labour over their climate policies, and also appearing were remap yorwerth from plaid cymru , reform uk's from plaid cymru, reform uk's nigel farage and daisy cooper from the liberal democrats , as from the liberal democrats, as she claimed the current government have broken the public's hope. well, the row over the prime minister's decision to leave d—day commemorations early yesterday rumbled on in the opening minutes of tonight's debate, cabinet minister penny morden joined the criticism, saying that rishi sunak's decision to return home for a tv interview was, she said, completely wrong and that he was right to have

apologised. well rishi sunak has admitted it was a mistake, but he said that people should judge him by his actions when it comes to supporting the armed forces. >> reflection. that was a mistake and i apologise. i think it's important though, given the enormity of the sacrifice made, that we don't politicise this . that we don't politicise this. the focus should rightly be on the veterans who gave so much . i the veterans who gave so much. i had the honour and privilege of speaking to many of them and their families , hearing their their families, hearing their stories, expressing my gratitude personally to them, but on someone who will always admit when i've made a mistake , that's when i've made a mistake, that's what you'll always get from me. >> rishi sunak, there , speaking >> rishi sunak, there, speaking earlier this morning. well, in other news, lord david cameron has been targeted by a hoax video call with someone who said they were the former president of ukraine. the foreign secretary shared messages and spoke to someone claiming to be petro poroshenko. the foreign office has said tonight that he became suspicious after that conversation with an investigation now confirming that it wasn't genuine . that it wasn't genuine. officials have said that they

are making that news public tonight in case any possible video recordings from the call may be manipulated or, they say, used to spread misinformation in a man who opened fire with an ak 47 machine gun at a cinema complex in liverpool earlier this year, has today been jailed for 14 years. lesley garrett opened fire at the theatre in the croxteth area on the 3rd of january. no one was injured in the incident, while the 49 year old had previously pleaded guilty to weapons offences and attempted robbery . divers, dogs attempted robbery. divers, dogs and drones are now being used in and drones are now being used in a major search for tv doctor michael moseley, who's gone missing on a greek island while on holiday there with his wife . on holiday there with his wife. cctv images you can see here if you're watching on tv , have now you're watching on tv, have now been released. of the 67 year old showing him shielding from the sun with an umbrella, he's wearing a cap and shorts and at shirt. that's after he left a beach and disappeared in symi. the presenter, who's known for appearing on programmes like the

bbc's the one show and his podcast just one thing, hasn't been seen since wednesday . and been seen since wednesday. and finally, some sports news for you . england to have suffered you. england to have suffered a shock one nil defeat tonight to iceland. that was in their final game before the start of euro 2024. gareth southgate's team take on serbia a week on sunday in their opening group game of the tournament. his side are among the favourites to lift the trophy, but he has left some big names out of his 26 man squad, including jack grealish and james maddison. they've both been dropped, while harry maguire is also expected to miss out because of injury . that's out because of injury. that's the latest from the newsroom. for now, the next update at 11:00. in the meantime, you can sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen, or go to gb news. common alerts . alerts. >> very good evening. it is me bev turner sitting in for patrick christys this evening .

patrick christys this evening. now it's one hour since penny mordaunt, angela rayner, nigel farage, daisy cooper and the leaders of other parties left their podiums and when it comes to morden and rayner, it was fireworks . fireworks. >> as keir starmer confirmed this earlier this week. they are going to put up your taxes by £2,000, a lie by £2,000 per working house anymore. you're using you're using a figure that's been criticised by the uk statistics watchdog costings and labour's own stand by your record and you'll see record levels of taxes on working people. 26 separate tax hikes in the last parliament. >> just extraordinary. and you could see the green party's carla denier beside and just sort of shaking her head. and at the end of that she said it wasn't very dignified was it. right. my panel are here to discuss whether it was dignified . harriet sergeant is with me, paul scully and also nigel nelson . was it dignified, harriet? >> well, i don't want dignity .

harriet? >> well, i don't want dignity. i want them scrapping. i want to find out what they're made of, what they feel, and get an idea whether they're honest and genuine. and i think we began to get that a little bit, and i think it was very interesting that , that this is the point you that, that this is the point you made to me, which i think is absolutely spot on, which was angela rayner was curiously subdued and that you thought that perhaps she'd been told just to be, you know, just to be so careful not to say the wrong thing. and i thought that was a great pity , and i'd like to have great pity, and i'd like to have seen her firing on all cylinders. do you think she's had that advice from keir starmer, paul. >> yeah, undoubtedly . >> yeah, undoubtedly. >> yeah, undoubtedly. >> i've known angela. we were elected the same year, as was keir starmer and rishi sunak, what happened to all them? but she was clearly holding her lecture. and just when everybody else was speaking, she was looking straight ahead, keeping a very impassive face. and i can't that's not her natural demeanour. yeah she was just dialling it down that that environment as well .

environment as well. >> and we've discussed if you're just tuning in, we were saying what a, what a very sort of left wing biased bbc audience it was. and if it was interesting to hear david bull from the reform party being diplomatic about that, but he described it as a very london audience , and i very london audience, and i wondered, nigel, whether for somebody like angela rayner , who somebody like angela rayner, who often talks about feeling a bit like a fish out of water amongst all these posh, posh boys down in westminster, maybe she was a bit intimidated by that kind of amphitheatre feeling there. >> well, i don't think angela rayner gets intimidated very often, so trying to be nice , so often, so trying to be nice, so no, i don't think it was that. i mean, i mean , rather like mean, i mean, rather like harriet. i'd like it to have been a bit more sort of upfront about it and if necessary, to shout at penny mordaunt and penny mordaunt was was propagating a lie, the particular lie was that keir starmer admitted wages were sorry, taxes were going up. he never did. he didn't actually knockit never did. he didn't actually knock it down enough when he was, he was debating against rishi sunak , but he certainly rishi sunak, but he certainly never admitted it. and i really wish that she'd actually hit

back and pointed out this is just not true. but i think one of the problems we've got, we are in an election, until the manifestos come out, the best thing to do for all voters is ignore what the parties are saying about the other. so the tories say that that labour have a 38 billion unfund quid unfunded commitments . they unfunded commitments. they don't. labour says the tories have 71 billion of unfunded commitments . have 71 billion of unfunded commitments. no have 71 billion of unfunded commitments . no they don't. when commitments. no they don't. when we see the manifesto, we'll know in detail exactly what the money is. >> okay, let's let's, let's go back to christopher. hope he is still in the spin room, it's still in the spin room, it's still buzzing there. is it chris? who are you to talking now ? now? >> it's getting a bit quiet now. i'm with lord fox, who is the liberal democrat spokesman? lord fox, you were telling me just off air that the ev1 drew lots to talk about where they stood, because it looked like nigel farage was out on one side and the cameras were on the penny.

angela battle. but actually, it's a fair deal, was it? as far as i know, it was a fair deal. one of my colleagues watched watched the draw take place . watched the draw take place. >> so whether it was chance or they rigged it cleverly, i don't know. but it it worked out quite well for the television to have the two labour and, and the conservatives going at it hammer and tongs with their pointy fingers and shouty voices. >> and your deputy leader , daisy >> and your deputy leader, daisy cooper was some way away from that battle. nigel farage said that battle. nigel farage said that immigration has made britain poorer for point 3 million arrived here under the tories, 2.7 million under laboun tories, 2.7 million under labour. he's right, isn't he? we're all a bit worse off per head. >> no, i think if you look at the role that many of the, the, legal migration, for example, has, has taken place is hugely central to our economy. the problem has been is that we haven't been training people properly, so we've had to rely on recruiting people from all over the world. so to simply dismiss their their contribution

to our economy is actually demeaning. >> he didn't he said they're not productive . they're not helping productive. they're not helping the economy grow. they're just a drag on the economy. economy that's his point. >> well, tell that to the care homes, which rely predominantly on legal migrant labour. tell that to the national health service, which is going out every day trying to recruit nurses and doctors from all over the world. and tell it to businesses who can't get the skills they need because there isn't the right, the right atmosphere . only by turning that atmosphere. only by turning that around, only by getting hold of the training in this country and by the scruff of the neck and really shaking it, can we actually start to produce the people we need? then we can start talking about about how many people come in to just finally there. >> lord fox , chris fox is a big >> lord fox, chris fox is a big boo for brexit. you'd have loved that, wouldn't you ? is the idea that, wouldn't you? is the idea if the if the lib dems have any role in power in the next five years to rejoin the european union, the idea is to make sure that we have a proper relationship with our biggest

trading partner, because it's still our biggest trading partner and at the moment there's too many barriers to that trade. >> so what we will do is a four step process. and the first step of that is to actually get some trust between us and the european union. and start to iron out all the stupid little rules that have come in since brexit. then we can talk about things like cooperative programs, things like making the horizon science project really work. that's what we'll be talking about over the next five years. >> sounds like rejoining all but name. >> it doesn't to me. >> it doesn't to me. >> well, lord fox on that know lord fox there. who's the liberal democrat spokesman here tonight in the spin room bev saying we are not going to rejoin the eu if the lib dems have any control of power post election . okay. election. okay. >> all right. thank you chris, thanks very much. there. how many people have been hanging around and just, just, just tell me. i'm interested to know. there are a lot of floating voters out in the population at the moment. a lot of people who

don't want to give their vote to the to labour or conservative because of events of the last four years. whichever side of that debate you sat on, you call them armchair twyman. just so you know , christopher is you know, christopher is talking. he's rounding up guests for us while he's there . he's we for us while he's there. he's we can see you, chris, so we i just want to know. sorry. bev. >> i'm so sorry. bev, are you doing to shapps? >> who says men can't multitask? look at you, but this idea that people who don't know who to for . vote if you weren't watching that tonight with a very open mind , who might you have warmed mind, who might you have warmed to on expectedly, do you think ? to on expectedly, do you think? >> that's a great question . i, >> that's a great question. i, i thought angela rayner was quite warm by the end. i think she was quite a difficult beginning. i think it was she was nervous . think it was she was nervous. she looked quite wooden, but she seemed to find some kind of extras of legs, about three quarters, about three quarters of an hour through it. i think she was, i thought the green candidate . it was rather good candidate. it was rather good too, i think. i think it's quite

a from a kind of narrow policy perspective. i think, i mean, i think it's easier often for the very minor parties who simply can say, well, labour are going to win the election, look at the polls. so you may as well give us a chance to put one over and drive forward the green agenda. i thought nigel farage did okay. i thought nigel farage did okay. i thought nigel farage did okay. i thought his answers though for me, bev, were quite long and windy. he didn't mention reform uk much. i think he's i think frankly he's getting back into the swing of being a party leader. he's only six days since he took over at reform and in fact, he only decided to do that at 2:30 pm. last sunday. so i thought that angela rayner actually was may have, may have , actually was may have, may have, may have impressed, some of those in the middle ground. but with me now to ask that very question, is jo jo jo twyman, who is the pollster? jo, who do you think won ? you think won? >> i think really in football terms, it was a score draw . terms, it was a score draw. >> i think that's a boring thing to say. come on. well, but in a sense that's what i think they were all going for. >> no one really made any outlandish claims or went crazy

with their with their accusations or their behaviour. >> everyone played it pretty defensively and i think that that probably the story that will emerge more than anything else was penny mordaunt attacking rishi sunak on d—day and that that came in her in her opening answer. >> and really, from that there were various other things, but i don't think there was anything that would really move. >> the diary of westminster bubble safe answer. this is gb news joe twyman. i won't allow it. did you think that that angela rayner punched out above her weight at the beginning ? she her weight at the beginning? she was slow to start and she warmed up on the tax issue. i think she i think she did warm up. >> she certainly attacked the £2,000 claim immediately, which was not something that we saw from from keir starmer, of course. understandable given they knew it was potentially coming and they had the they had the response ready. i did think nigel farage was, was perhaps a little, a little quieter perhaps than, than some people might have been expecting . and then of have been expecting. and then of course, you have the new entrants, whether it's from the greens or particularly plied and pued greens or particularly plied and plied in the snp, who of course,

in the last two cases, most people in this country can't even for . vote but people in this country can't even for. vote but but people in this country can't even for . vote but but they even for. vote but but they still use it as a platform. they did that effectively. but again , did that effectively. but again, not massive, massive statements of intent. >> you're a pollster was that audience representative of the wider public? >> it's really difficult to come on, get off the fence. >> joe twyman . >> joe twyman. >> joe twyman. >> that's my sense is i was certainly surprised by by some things being clapped and others not. and if it had been a strictly representative sample, which these things never are, if it had been strictly represented, i would have expected more equal opportunities. clapping >> should we say the issue of defence came out quite early on? i thought penny mordaunt had a go at angela rayner on the nuclear deterrent. was that fair? it may have landed. >> i think defence is very much a sort of third or fourth tier issue for the for the general public. and so while the conservatives are generally historically seen as good on that, labour have really closed the gap. and so essentially it's neck and neck nowadays. but i did think probably on balance, penny mordaunt answer was was strongest. but but then the snp

did well on that as well. so and just finally nigel farage on stop and search. >> that was an interesting two wasn't it. he got an applause there, which is a rare one for him. >> i would say that was probably nigel farage's best, best answer, and certainly the one that connected with the audience in the in the room best, and probably the one that connected with the audience at home best as well. if you had to take one clip, i would suggest that would be for him. >> okay. joe chapman, thank you for joining us from delta poll. forjoining us from delta poll. that's joe twyman there saying that nigel farage was a bit quieter, you might expect, but did land some, some, some wins there on the issue of knife crime and stop and search. >> i thought so, and i thought what was impressive about nigel, actually, is that he's always about his figures and his facts and his data and his numbers. he you know, if in doubt, i think he knows so often that people will accuse him of just being a broad brush strokes, like a headune broad brush strokes, like a headline kind of politician , headline kind of politician, that he goes for his data all the time. and i think people respect that. christopher, thank you so much. right. coming up still to come on this evening show. what time is it? nearly 10:20. i'm here until 11. we're going to tackle all of tomorrow's news, tomorrow's

newspaper front pages, hot off the press. don't go anywhere. our next after rishi sunak left d—day ceremonies early yesterday. even his own veterans minister, johnny mercer, struggles to mount a defence. >> it'sjust struggles to mount a defence. >> it's just a mistake, struggles to mount a defence. >> it'sjust a mistake, i struggles to mount a defence. >> it's just a mistake, i think, you know, the prime minister on these on these visits, you receive a lot of advice as to what you should and shouldn't be doing , which what you should and shouldn't be doing, which was nothing compared to the kicking that penny morden gave rishi sunak tonight on that issue . tonight on that issue. >> we'll also show you what farage said this evening. and i'm going to talk to former raf crew member liz mcconaughy, who says that sunak is a disgrace for leaving those services in normandy. early

bev turner. welcome back. now, rishi sunak, a backdoor d—day exit saga has caused a anger across the country. a new yougov gov poll has revealed that two thirds of voters say that sunak leaving d—day early was unacceptable. and here's the pm giving an apology. >> earlier, they said the itinerary for these events was set weeks ago, before the general election campaign. i participated in events both in portsmouth and in france, and having fully participated in all the british events with british veterans, i returned home before the international leaders event. that was a mistake and i apologise for that. >> oh, so nigel farage came out

swinging on this issue tonight. >> it's catastrophic. so rather than having a weird concept of national service where 30,000 youngsters would do a year, we need to recruit 30,000 people into the army full time. and yes, the veterans point's been made already. >> so how are british veterans really feeling about this ? well, really feeling about this? well, juan joins me now. liz mcconaughey, longest serving female crewman on raf chinook helicopters. let's go live to basingstoke and speak to her now. good evening. liz >> unpatriotic prime minister. >> unpatriotic prime minister. >> see you. >> see you. >> good evening. good to see you.so >> good evening. good to see you. so was this a mistake by rishi sunak or is he just a very busy man with a country to run an election looming ? jobs and an election looming? jobs and countries to run. >> but yeah, i do think it was a mistake on his part. >> i think the very fact that he has apologised today, he knows that, which will come onto again in a minute, i'm sure. >> but, you know, ultimately this is all about leadership,

isn't it? and it's about moral courage. and, you know, one of the things we talk about in the forces a lot is moral courage . forces a lot is moral courage. and that is doing the right thing. even when external pressures are pulling you in opposite directions. and i really feel like with yesterday, he should have wanted to be there until the end. it wasn't a case of what was the itinerary, who was telling him to be where, when, you know, it was an absolute honour and a privilege to be there. yesterday you know, i've spoken to veterans today who would have swum across the channel to be there if they were invited. you know, it was such a privilege, and to leave early was a huge insult to a lot of veterans. you know, across the country . country. >> i have to say, i was quite surprised, talking about moral courage, about the fact that the prime minister actually apologised and said it was a mistake. i got it wrong. and then penny morden tonight, even on the debate, she went even further. i would say she was she was no holds barred in terms of saying that it was a mistake. can you forgive him a little bit, given how contrite he's been ? been? >> well, i think with the

apology you have to understand if he knows why he's apologising. apologising you know, everyone gets their kids to say sorry when they've done something wrong and they apologise. but you have to really dig into it and see if they understand why they're apologising. and i don't think the apology we got today really dug into that. i still don't think he really gets what yesterday meant to. so many veterans up and down the country. you know, we talk about voting with your feet. those you know, 80 years ago all of those soldiers voted with their feet for freedom when they went to fight for us. and he voted with his feet yesterday by leaving early. and that says a lot. you know, i think if he doesn't understand what people paid 80 years ago for the price of freedom , and he doesn't get his freedom, and he doesn't get his head around that, then i don't think he really understands what he was apologising for. >> yeah, because he still said i was doing what was right for the british country by coming home. he tried to spin it, didn't he, that he's doing what's right now for the uk . that was why he came

for the uk. that was why he came back, clearly got very busy to do list at the moment here. liz, and that's his logic for not staying there. so but what i'm trying to find, i'm looking in my heart to find some reason for it because i think, personally, i do have some sympathy with that position in terms of the fact that he does have an election around the corner and maybe he just is the kind of guy that gets so focused on one job and wants to win. he's so competitive that he forgot, in a sense, or he failed to consider how actually how passionate the country is about the work of our service people. >> yeah, i mean , i always say >> yeah, i mean, i always say you can't judge someone until you've walked a mile in their shoes. and i am not prime minister and i'm not running for an election at the minute. but but i think in terms of, you know, people laid down their lives for us 80 years ago and some gave all. and if he can't give a few extra hours on the, you know, commemoration of

d—day, that says a lot. i understand he's busy . i understand he's busy. i appreciate that, but i think in terms of a few hours that could have been spared yesterday for the perception piece that came with it, it would have gone a long way. and i think a lot of it was about the perception, really. you know, i have no doubt he had things to do. but i think when we saw those pictures, at the end of the day when he wasn't stood shoulder to shoulder with global leaders considering what's going on at the minute, you know, in the i think it's really important that he was stood there in that picture showing a solidarity and he wasn't. and i think that sent a very poor message around the globe, really, as to how important he thought that was. >> okay, great to hear from you. thank you. liz mcconaughey there, the longest serving female crewman on raf chinook helicopters. and paul scully. let me just ask you, how did is this just poor advice. again, it seems like he's got some idiots working in number 10. >> i think it was poor advice . >> i think it was poor advice. this scenario i can imagine happening. i have no inside track. was that actually because it was organised a while ago? the king was there , so they had

the king was there, so they had the heads of states at the international section. he would have thought, i'm doing the british bit and then the heads of state. so you had the president of the us, the president of the us, the president of the us, the president of france and the king, doing the international bit. so he probably thought, i'm not going to be there for that. i will then go back to the uk. how fast forward. there was an election and he had a gap in his diary. he would have then said to itv there's the gap. i will do that thing rather than rushing back to do an interview because of election. i know inside track, but but that's still poor advice . still poor advice. >> do you buy that, harriet? >> do you buy that, harriet? >> he says he's coming back for the good of the country. this is absolute nonsense. he was coming back to do an interview with itv about this whole tax thing to just, you know, that's what he was doing. it was for his own personal ambition offer, he might say, for the ambition of the parties of like , say he's the parties of like, say he's a focused man who wants to win. >> all right. we've got to take another quick break, though. coming up, just when you thought it couldn't get any worse for the prime minister >> well, you cannot employ lesser qualified people instead of g—p—s. they cannot be replaced. the country has not

stupid . stupid. >> the poshest heckler ever heard on british tv. and i'm also going to be joined by my to run through the front pages of tomorrow's papers. don't go

good evening. this is patrick christys. tonight with me. bev turner only on gb news. i've got my glasses on because the papers are here, and we're going to be going through them in just a moment. but it was a fiery election debate tonight. and overin election debate tonight. and over in the spin room is gb news political editor, christopher hope.chns political editor, christopher hope. chris who have you got with us? with us? with you there? is it one of our gb news family ? family? >> it might just be one of one of our family. bev turner i'm with camilla tominey, of course, who presents the brilliant sunday morning interview show and currently standing in in the evening. so when do you ever stop working? >> i don't know, i really need to stop working tonight. i've taken eldest child to a football

tournament in the morning. no netball. >> let me just quickly you borrow your mind for four minutes of your time. sure. easy question . who won, penny question. who won, penny mordaunt's hairdresser. not quite sure. really difficult format to have. seven. and to be fair, i think the lesser known politicians did get a good opportunity to shine. i thought stephen flynn spoke very clearly, probably because he's had a lot of practice at prime minister's questions , because he minister's questions, because he gets that snp slot at the end of the questioning from the opposition leader, i look, penny mordaunt had such a difficult task tonight because she basically was in a six against one situation. she was copping all of the flak, not just for the government and 14 years of tory failure , but also, of tory failure, but also, of course, the d—day debacle. i mean, she was three times she had a go at her boss. >> is that appropriate? and once enough, surely she certainly could have given him a more robust defence. >> shall we put it like that? but then what does she do? she's got a military history. she's in a military seat in portsmouth, which, by the way, she might not win. and she's got her eye on a

future prize of being tory leader one day. >> just on that thing on that point . but >> just on that thing on that point. but the camera >> just on that thing on that point . but the camera kept point. but the camera kept cutting, didn't it? to angela rayner versus penny mordaunt . rayner versus penny mordaunt. were we looking at the leaders debate? leaders debates 2029 because keir starmer is in his early 60s, he won't be pm forever. andrew gwynne is next. and penny maybe replacing rishi sunak. >> fact of the night keir starmer is older than nigel farage. to be fair, farage did her a favour. rayner, didn't he? when he said oh you're you'd be a better labour leader than starmer, said that starmer was blair without the flair and all the rest of it. it was quite interesting to see those two women be perfectly civil and shake hands afterwards. clearly they know each other well and everything , but in the heat of everything, but in the heat of the cameras, they obviously went at each other . i describe them at each other. i describe them as twitter is like having a cat fight, like garfield and mr mistoffelees. i mean, it was really just quite something at times. and then you had carla denier, the voice of calm from the greens . i denier, the voice of calm from the greens. i mean, i felt denier, the voice of calm from the greens . i mean, i felt there the greens. i mean, i felt there was kind of like with the lesser known politicians, a bit of a kind of earnest off who can be the most true to themselves and

their politics. >> but nigel farage, at the very end there, i mean, he was a bit waffly in his answers. i felt he didn't mention reform uk much. i mean, i think i think he's getting into the swing of being leader. >> yeah. i mean obviously he's only just been leader for a few days. not that he isn't used to being in the political limelight. let's be honest. it's difficult for him because he's out on a limb there in the positioning. i understand they drew lots, right? so he's kind of quite distanced. at one point i thought he hasn't really said very much, but when he did say things, i think they did cut through . he speaks very clearly through. he speaks very clearly and concisely, doesn't he? and also by the way, that line about i don't need an autocue. i mean, we know he doesn't because we've worked with him and that he was saying his words unscripted i thought was quite effective. >> and also i think he did cut through on it, surprisingly for him, not on immigration or brexit, but on lawlessness. yeah, crime and crime. nicking nicking 200 quid's worth of gear and not being jailed. and then a stop and search. got to be blind, you know, blind to any kind of race or other factors. just stop people if you're suspicious . and that got an suspicious. and that got an

applause. >> it did get an applause. also, he found some common ground with, of all people, daisy cooper of the liberal democrats, both of them said at different junctures, britain isn't working. it's this idea that everything's broken. nothing works. so i thought that was quite interesting as an attack line. but i mean, we always focused, don't we, on the main three, because going into this, you know, farage, rayner and morden were always going to be the more box office element of this debate. the format worked a bit better than the one on one between sunak and starmer, didn't it? because that 45 second sort of it's frustrating. at least everyone got to kind of land their points. but the trouble for rishi sunak is that's basically given 15 more minutes of the d—day debacle to the public via the medium of attacking penny morden, which is difficult for him. so then it goes into day three. >> do you think we should have seen the pm there? not penny mordaunt. that had been a brave thing to do to challenge just face up night face up the ra about about d—day. >> well, maybe i mean, the

trouble is with the apology is it was a bit disgruntled, wasn't it? it sort of, i don't know. i mean, you know, what the news cycle is like. tomorrow's papers are going to have a field day with this. no doubt. bev's already had a look at the front pages, and i would suggest they're a d—day wipe—out. are they're a d—day wipe—out. are they okay? >> thank you. camilla tominey and bev turner. yeah. you've got the front pages and you can look at them with your with your glasses on. i think they'll be a horror story for the prime minister >> surprisingly not. i must say they're not actually covering they're not actually covering the d—day story on the front pages. now, let's have a look , pages. now, let's have a look, at them, you'll have to buy them yourself . chopper. sorry. right. yourself. chopper. sorry. right. my yourself. chopper. sorry. right. my press pack is still here, by the way , harriet. sergeant, paul the way, harriet. sergeant, paul scully, nigel nelson are still with me, but let's have a look. right. daily telegraph so sunak tax stamp duty for first time buyers. this is a tories looking to change election dynamic as the prime minister apologises for the early d—day departure. it does get a mention, but that is a new policy. and of course a picture of michael mosley, the tv presenter, a nutritionist, and it says that the search for

him is a race against time, the daily mail , him is a race against time, the daily mail, has led with the story on doctor mosley vanished. he did a wrong turn, did a wrong turn, lead to disaster? they're asking and a photograph of him there. the last cctv image seen of michael mosley . he's got an of michael mosley. he's got an umbrella up. it's a very sunny day. he'd gone for a walk . day. he'd gone for a walk. nobody's. nobody's seen him since. that was the last sighting of him. at 1:52 pm, the times has a picture of taylor swift as her tour reaches british soil. but then also mordant hits out at completely wrong. pm now, this is from this evening's debate. this is penny morden, who basically doubled down on the prime minister's decision to leave the d—day commemorations early. that might just have come back to bite her, you might think. and the mirror has in fact gone with, that story about the tory minister says the prime minister snub has

ended their party's election hopes, paul scully let me ask you. i was surprised by how robustly penny mordaunt criticised the prime minister for leaving the d—day celebrations early . has that now celebrations early. has that now backfired? that that in itself has become a story ? has become a story? >> i don't think so. to be fair, i don't think as camilla said, that she had much of a choice because she, you know, she is from the military herself, military family in portsmouth as well, very naval , city as well. well, very naval, city as well. so she's got a real sense of history and legacy and pride there to represent. and the prime minister's apologised. she was right to really, refer out the nation's, view on this actually, funnily enough, our inbox here @gbnews. >> com, people are saying they aren't too upset by rishi sunak making that decision. they think it was a diary issue and they think that everybody should should just move on. nigel >> yeah, but but first of all, it shouldn't have been put in his diary like that. that's the

first thing. and the second thing is he should be he's the prime minister. he should be able to think on his feet. so when he was there, he could have seen the kind of reception that everyone was getting. all those vets who turned up turned up in their 90s, crossed across the channel their 90s, crossed across the channel, and that was the point. he should say to himself, look, i'm staying put. no matter what else is going on here i am. it's rishi sunak problem. he doesn't think on his feet. he's not very good at the politics of it. >> it's the right thing to do for veterans. but also the fact is, if this wasn't an election and he'd come back, no one would be talking about it. so he should have been fleet of foot, because the fact is everybody is looking at him to criticise him. >> yeah, well, so why wouldn't he want to be with the world leaders? >> i mean, surely he wants to rise above politics and appear to be on, on the world stage. i can't understand why he wouldn't have wanted to do that. >> well, he has said i wanted to come back here and focus my attention on british issues and the british people. >> well, on his his interview

about tax, that's what it was. it was it wasn't the british interest, the advantage he has the big advantage you have as an incumbent prime minister is the world stage . world stage. >> because, you know, 14 years of being of the conservative party in government acting on these big international issues, you don't want to give that up easily. >> let's have a look everywhere anybody goes at the moment from the conservatives and we hear about people knocking on the doors on behalf of the party and getting a terrible response. rishi sunak couldn't get away from it either. today he was heckled by a gp who claimed that the nhs is disintegrating . the nhs is disintegrating. senous the nhs is disintegrating. serious concerns about changes to funding available to recruit staff. her name is doctor jane staff. her name is doctorjane lees millom. she's a conservative member and she warned that there were 37,000 gps across the uk. angry with the government about what she described as constructive dismissal because of funding changes. it wasn't your typical heckle . here it is. heckle. here it is. >> what are you going to do about that? 37,000 gps will not vote conservative because of the constructive dismissal of

general practice that is currently occurring. you cannot employ lesser qualified people. instead of gps, they cannot be replaced. the country has not stupid . they know when lesser stupid. they know when lesser qualified people are being used to conduct consultations . to conduct consultations. >> oh, the country are not stupid. paul scully, look , i stupid. paul scully, look, i think what rishi has been trying to do is undo a problem. >> that was about 20 years, made 20 years ago when tony blair revamped the gp contract. at the time , jeremy hunt lifted the time, jeremy hunt lifted the pension cap for , for gps and pension cap for, for gps and other people, obviously, who are maxing out their lifetime, amount that they can put into pensions to encourage them to stay in work. so i think we're very much there are lots of other things we need to do to allow for more gp appointments, but part of that is keeping gps in work . in work. >> it's such a stretch, though, for people right now to think i can't get a point with my gp. you know whose fault that is? that's tony blair's fault. no, no, no, i'm just i'm just saying

it's a long term, you know, we would some part of the debate was about the nhs and there's a long term issue that needs to be sorted out with the nhs. >> you don't need to deconstruct it. i don't think like nigel farage was suggesting, but there is that sort of like long term efficiency reform that was, i have to say, that was one of the issues tonight, harriet, with the debate when this talked about the nhs and you think, oh, i've heard the nhs done every which way every politician comes out and says, i'm going to save it, i'm going to give it more money. >> nigel farage really tackled that in a different way tonight. and he said the model isn't working. we need to look at look to france. yes i mean, see how they work. very refreshing, i did. >> it's absolutely true . there >> it's absolutely true. there are a lot i mean, everybody goes on the left goes on as if the only alternative to the nhs is private ization and america system. that's just not true . system. that's just not true. there are about 47. i think it is 47 free health care systems. there's any number of permutations that we could look at. we could choose bits from here, bits from there, and put together, and why we are not

doing this, why we're sort of just. and what i find so heartbreaking is that people are actually dying because of this, because politicians are refusing to take the sort of bold action that's needed. >> i wish there was more of an honest conversation about so much of the nhs already is pretty privatised. there are so many private contractors brought in. we're spending so much money in. we're spending so much money in the nhs, we've got to read out the, candidates for portsmouth north, following our discussion about penny mordaunt, this evening. and they are as follows amanda martin from the labour party , penny mordaunt of labour party, penny mordaunt of the conservatives, duncan stewart robinson for the green party, mel todd for the reform party, mel todd for the reform party, and simon dodd for the liberal democrats. right. coming up , i will be crowning my up, i will be crowning my greatest britain and union jackass of one of as one of gb news very own, has a chance of making the or taking the almighty crown. but next, speaking of crowns, is a plus size model. the deserving winner of miss alabama. and as always ,

of miss alabama. and as always, you'll get straight talking views from me. and i'm demanding the same thing from my panel. we got more of tomorrow's newspaper front pages. don't miss those. this is patrick christys tonight with me bev turner only

gb news. welcome back. it's patrick christys tonight with me. bev turner on gb news. it is time to return to the paper. review and more front pages have been delivered. hot off the press. the guardian , of course, are the guardian, of course, are making quite a lot about rishi sunak leaving those d—day celebrations early. headline furious tories turn on sunak over d—day sub , then to the

over d—day sub, then to the independence . the independent independence. the independent front page again shows the photograph of doctor michael mosley there, who they are looking for in greece . and tory looking for in greece. and tory voters want farage to succeed sunak as leader, according to the independent, the i newspaper tories in despair are sunak d—day gaffe destroys election hopes a lot of the conservative mps or wannabe mps are using this basically as a stick to beat their leader with, it seems now, and onto the express . truly now, and onto the express. truly sorry. the pm's unreserved apology to daily express readers for mistake over d—day departure. he could really have done without that from a pr point of view. right, let me ask my panel about these stories. let's we've talked a lot about rishi sunak leaving , the d—day rishi sunak leaving, the d—day situation. harriet, but

obviously the left wing newspapers are making quite a lot of it. i want to talk about this front page of the telegraph, because this is a first news story that's in the papers tomorrow, which is about sunak axing stamp duty for first time buyers. we have a property policy. i know you haven't had time to read this. policy. i know you haven't had time to read this . it is time to read this. it is literally hot off the press. but in order to get people on the property ladder, rishi sunak is saying that he will take stamp duty away. if you're buying a house up to £425,000, is this the kind of thing that will win over particularly? i think this is a younger vote tinkering . is a younger vote tinkering. >> i mean, the major problem which he's not addressing , he's which he's not addressing, he's just putting little bits of sticking plaster. and it's the same with labour as well. but it's tinkering with the main problem, which was that there's a large number of i mean, for example , in london, 80% of new example, in london, 80% of new developments are bought by foreign investors. well, that's crazy . yeah. if you really want crazy. yeah. if you really want to help first time buyers, you have to do what a number of countries do. i mean, australia

does it, switzerland does it, denmark park does it, which is restrict who can buy property to the nationals. so that only sort of british people are allowed to buy property you can't have at the moment it being used as for investment purposes. >> okay . right. one of the story >> okay. right. one of the story i want to cross, i want to get to now across the pond, the national american miss alabama beauty pageant has awarded its crown to a plus size contestant . crown to a plus size contestant. her name is sarah millican. she won the contest after her third attempt. let's have a look. >> just being able to come back eight years later and say, okay, i didn't give up on this dream , i didn't give up on this dream, and now because i didn't give up on it, i get to be the next miss alabama and wear this crown for a year that no matter what your body looks like, no matter where you come from, you can do anything that you set your mind to. >> you know, i didn't think that it was possible for a plus size girl to win. i didn't think it was possible for a girl from small town alabama to win . small town alabama to win. >> she's 23 years old and paul scully, when i look at this, i.

there are moments when you do feel like the world has gone mad . how how far have we come in terms of the perception of female beauty that somebody who is she may be beautiful on the outside, beauty is entirely subjective, but inside she's going to die young. >> yeah, there's obviously a health issue there. i mean, you look at, you know, companies like dove and what have you have done a lot of advertising around plus size models and how to trying to challenge the, the, the way the media and television and films cover, size and beauty. but i think, you know, beauty. but i think, you know, beauty contests really have had their day. and i think it's just sort of it seems to feel that everybody can be a winner. it's part of that mindset. >> yeah. i find it quite inspiring . >> yeah. i find it quite inspiring. do you. >> yeah. i find it quite inspiring . do you. yes. because inspiring. do you. yes. because i'm very greedy. and also you know if model if beauty you can win a beauty pageant at that fat. why can't you win it if you're old like me? i mean, maybe i can, maybe i could come.

the gb news beauty queen, for example . example. >> but i like celebrating older women or older people. even you. nigel, i like old. i like old people, nigel. but it's just. nigel. just. just why? how? what are we celebrating ? are we celebrating? >> well, i have a problem with this. largely because it's a question of role models. and i don't think that she's an ideal role model for young women. i don't think that stick thin women who walk the catwalk, either . a good role model either. a good role model ehhen either. a good role model either. but that's that's my problem with this particular thing, right? >> yeah. we've got to do, of course . greatest britain and course. greatest britain and union, jackass. oh right. harriet, who is your greatest britain? >> my greatest britain. is this lady the honorary sarah millican, because she's really inspiring me to become a beauty queen. so, of course i love her. but is she inspiring you to become overweight, harriet? >> well, i can now.

>> well, i can now. >> i mean, i'm always longing to eat cake. i mean, i can go home now and eat a huge slice of cake. >> it's not good for you, paul. greatest britain today. >> my greatest britain is my former colleague, jo gideon. she is the. she's the mp for stoke central. she's stepping down anyway. she is a really good role model because she's run her own business. she's slightly older than a number of the mps as that were coming in. so she's had a life experience and but she's felt that she's hounded out of office by her local association and local conservative controversial. and we just need she wrote a long twitter thread about it and we need people like that. >> sorry, nigel. >> sorry, nigel. >> greatest britain, it's our own ellie costello, and the gb news team who did this fantastic normandy coverage , especially normandy coverage, especially ellie's lovely interview with those tiny children in who were then saluted by two two d—day vets because they were where the kids were wearing red devil uniforms. >> and the winner is, of course, ellie costello. how could it not be? she works incredibly hard. i was doing britain's newsroom this week. she was an absolute

superstar . right, this week. she was an absolute superstar. right, union this week. she was an absolute superstar . right, union jackass. harriet. >> okay, so this is the bush theatre because they have issued the bush theatre, which is paid for by us taxpayers, has issued a 12 page, a 12 page of trigger warnings for anyone coming to the theatre. okay, paul , your the theatre. okay, paul, your union jackass. >> there's a woman called yara rodnguez >> there's a woman called yara rodriguez paola from fossil free books who have basically hounded out baillie gifford from supporting any book festival how. >> now. >> so second cultures backing donald trump for not going to the d—day commemorations. at least keir starmer was there . least keir starmer was there. >> and the winner of union jackass is, of course, the bush theatre in west london for thinking that you're all going to collapse. right? here is the weather. i'll be on britain's newsroom 930 monday morning. have a great weekend . have a great weekend. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on . gb news. >> good evening. it's time for your latest gb news weather update brought to you by the met

office. it is feeling a bit fresh considering it is early summer at the moment and there will be some showery bursts around through the next couple of days , all due to an area of of days, all due to an area of low pressure just to the north northeast of us . that's driving northeast of us. that's driving some cooler air across the country, and also some showery bursts as well. the showery bursts as well. the showery burst will be pushing their way southwards as we go through this evening and overnight. some clear spells in between, particularly across some eastern parts, eastern scotland, north—east england perhaps, where we get the clear skies here, temperatures could drop, could get into low single figures, possibly a touch of grass frost. nonetheless, a bit of a fresh chilly start for many of a fresh chilly start for many of us tomorrow. if we take a closer look at what we can expect tomorrow morning, then starting off in the south, a relatively cloudy picture for some of us, but some showery bursts possible and some decent bright sunny spells maybe around the bristol channel. also a swathe of cloud and rain affecting more central parts that pushing its way southwards , that pushing its way southwards, then across northern ireland, northern england and into scotland. a mixture of sunny spells and scattered showers,

the showers will always be most frequent in areas exposed to that north northwesterly wind, so northern northwestern scotland going to see the most frequent showers. and here they will be pretty heavy at times . will be pretty heavy at times. there could even still be some rumbles of thunder and a bit of hail mixed in. and all the time some sleet or snow is possible over the highest ground. the cloud and rain across central parts through the morning does shift its way southwards and breaks up as it goes with brightening, sunnier skies developing across central parts. as we go through into the afternoon. temperatures just about

gb news. >> very good evening to you. you're watching and listening to gb news. i'm sam francis, a look at the headlines at 11. and we'll start with a roundup from tonight's election debate , where tonight's election debate, where leading figures from the seven major political parties went head to head for 90 minutes of intense back and forth. the economy, armed forces, the nhs,

immigration and climate policy dominated the heated exchanges while answering questions from the audience, labour's angela rayner and conservative penny mordaunt engaged in a clash over taxes. meanwhile, stephen flynn from the snp said that brexit had put up food prices and claimed it's been an unmitigated disaster for the economy. green party co—leader caladenia attacked the conservatives and labour over their climate policies . also appearing were policies. also appearing were redknapp yorwerth from plied comrie, reform uk's nigel farage and daisy cooper from the liberal democrats, who claimed that the current government has, she says, broken the public's hope. well, the row over the prime minister's decision to leave d—day commemorations early yesterday rumbled on in the opening minutes of tonight's debate, cabinet minister penny morden joined the criticism, saying that rishi sunaks decision to return home for a tv interview was completely wrong and that he has been right to apologise. rishi sunak has

admitted it was a mistake, but said that people should judge him by his actions when it comes to supporting the armed forces . to supporting the armed forces. >> reflection. that was a mistake and i apologise . i think mistake and i apologise. i think it's important though, given the enormity of the sacrifice made, that we don't politicise this. the focus should rightly be on the veterans who gave so much. i had the honour and privilege of speaking to many of them and their families, hearing their stories, expressing my gratitude personally to them. but i'm someone who will always admit when i've made a mistake . that's when i've made a mistake. that's what you'll always get from me. >> rishi sunak, they're speaking earlier. well, in other news today, lord david cameron has been targeted by a hoax video call with someone who said they were the former president of ukraine. the foreign secretary shared messages and spoke to someone claiming to be petro poroshenko. the foreign office has said tonight that david cameron became suspicious after the conversation, with an investigation confirming that it wasn't genuine. officials say they are now making the news pubuc they are now making the news public today in case that video recording from the call may be

manipulated or used to