news. >> good afternoon. hello and welcome to gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua. and on digital radio. i'm nana akua . and for the next few akua. and for the next few hours, me and my panel will be taking on some of the big topics hitting headlines right now. this show is all about opinion. it's mine, it's theirs. and of course it's yours. we'll be debating, discussing and at times we will disagree, but no one will be cancelled. so joining me in the next hour, broadcaster and columnist lizzie cundy, and also the former labour party adviser matthew laza.in labour party adviser matthew laza in a labour party adviser matthew laza. in a few moments time, i'll be mocking the week with comedian john for martin this week's hot topic round table discussion as well. they're going to be talking about e—coli and bird flu, and generally , how and bird flu, and generally, how concerned should we be with these things then, for the great british debate this hour, i'm asking, who do you think while last night's tv debate i'll be getting stuck into that question over the next hour and in clip

bay, here's the moment. the prolific phone snatcher sony stringer snatch is a phone on blackfriars bridge . happens blackfriars bridge. happens next. find out. stay tuned . next. find out. stay tuned. first, let's get your latest news with tamsin roberts . news with tamsin roberts. >> nadia, thanks very much. good afternoon from the gb newsroom . afternoon from the gb newsroom. it's just after 3:00. an israeli special forces officer has been killed in a special operation in gaza in which four hostages have been rescued. noah agamani, almog nichi hodgson, andrei kozlov and shlomi sfiv were recovered by the idf . all four recovered by the idf. all four were kidnapped by the hamas terror group from the nova music festival on the 7th of october. well, if you're watching on tv this is the moment one of the hostages, noah, was reunited with her father and family.

well, the four hostages have been held in two houses in a residential neighbourhood of al nusseirat in the central gaza strip . israel's prime minister strip. israel's prime minister benjamin netanyahu, has said his country won't give in to terrorism and remains committed to bringing all the hostages home. penny mordaunt clashed with angela rayner over issues including nhs waiting lists and the economy , in a televised the economy, in a televised debate last night. both were reprimanded for speaking over each other, whilst miss rayner received applause after claiming former prime minister liz truss had crashed the economy. >> keir starmer confirmed this earlier this week . they are earlier this week. they are going to put up your taxes by £2,000, a lie by £2,000 per sky anymore. >> you're using, you're using a figure that's been criticised by the uk statistics watchdog costings and labour's own. >> stand by your record and you'll record levels of taxes on working people.

>> 26 separate tax hikes in the last parliament of well, as we just heard, penny mordaunt was criticised for repeating the claim that labour would increase taxes. >> so keir starmer now says labour's manifesto is complete and insists there'll be no tax surprises. >> well, we finalised our manifesto yesterday, which was a great moment because at the end of the meeting it was acclaimed by everybody in the meeting and, you know, good manifestos are those that tell a story about the country and those that succeed. everything in our manifesto won't be any surprises on tax. all of our plans are fully costed, fully funded, and none of them involving tax rises over and above those that we've already set out. >> britain's high streets could be in for a boost, with labour set to unveil a plan to breathe new life into shopping areas. it's expected to include an overhaul of the business rate system to help high street shops

compete with online giants. the conservative party says the changes amount to what they call french style union laws, and pointed to its own record of supporting small businesses. but shadow chancellor rachel reeves says it will boost access to high street banking . high street banking. >> but i'm determined to ensure that our high streets have that chance to thrive and succeed again. and there's some great examples of that already. >> but we want to reform the business rate system in a way that reduces the costs for small businesses and high streets, ensuring that some of the big multinationals and tech companies pay their fair share . companies pay their fair share. >> three new national parks could be declared as part of a manifesto pledge by the liberal democrats . the party says it democrats. the party says it would spend around £50 million a year on maintaining the natural areas , with the chilterns in areas, with the chilterns in hertfordshire and buckinghamshire listed as possible locations. there are currently ten national parks in england, and sir ed davey says the government has failed on its 2019 promise to create a new

one. well this is a capital investment. >> over the next five years and you're right, it is a significant investment . but i significant investment. but i believe this is hugely important for our environment. it will help the fight against climate change. it will help the fight against the nature crisis. we need to improve biodiversity. and whether it's local authorities or farmers or the national parks being part of this . this. >> the mayor of the greek island where michael mosley went missing, says there's no chance the search will be called off until he's found. efforts to locate the tv doctor on the greek island are entering their fourth day today. he was reportedly last seen in cctv footage in the village of pd last wednesday. the mayor has said the area where he is believed to have travelled through is difficult to pass and is only rocks. a search dog was only able to work for an hour this morning due to extremely high temperatures. there a new report has found that two thirds

of holidaymakers who set a budget for their most recent trip abroad bus it. the post office travel money found that people overspent by more than £150 on average, restaurant meals , supermarket bought food meals, supermarket bought food and sightseeing trips were among the outgoings . behind the costs. the outgoings. behind the costs. more than three quarters of families set a budget for their last holiday, but 73% overspent by around £312 on average each . by around £312 on average each. those are your top stories, and for all the latest and more, do sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen, or go to gbnews.com slash alerts. now it's back to . nana. >> good afternoon. it is fast approaching seven minutes after 3:00. i'm nana akua. this is a gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. and it's time to mock the week. and what a busy one it's been. now we kicked off

with the first main tv debates between rishi and keir or rishi sunak. is starmer dull, dull, dull now.7 rishi sunak. is starmer dull, dull, dull now? rishi sunak spoke of a 2000 additional cost under laboun 2000 additional cost under labour, a figure that was questionable and later disputed. and keir reminded rishi that the tax burden has never been higher than under his party. then nigel farage threw his hand into the mix to lead reform . mix to lead reform. >> what i'm really calling for and what i intend to lead, is a political revolt . yes, a revolt, political revolt. yes, a revolt, a turning of our backs on the political status quo . it doesn't political status quo. it doesn't work. nothing in this country works anymore . works anymore. >> he's there to shake things up a bit . he >> he's there to shake things up a bit. he threw some milkshake over him. he certainly caused quite a stir. ed davey , the lib quite a stir. ed davey, the lib dem leader showed us his human side . side. >> but i'm always involved in jon's care.

>> i like to get be the one who gets jon up in the morning. >> so he sees me . gets jon up in the morning. >> so he sees me. i gets jon up in the morning. >> so he sees me . i get gets jon up in the morning. >> so he sees me. i get him up because he can't walk. >> come on, my sweetheart . come >> come on, my sweetheart. come on, come on. >> we're going to have some lunch. >> we have those little game, those games with him because it enables him to speak and to practice. >> come thursday, it was d—day and rishi sunak left early. >> he later apologised as i said, the itinerary for these events was set weeks ago, before the general election campaign , i the general election campaign, i participated in events both in portsmouth and in france , and portsmouth and in france, and having fully participated in all the british events with british veterans, i returned home before the international leaders event. >> that was a mistake and i apologise for that . apologise for that. >> and we had joe biden, leader of the free world, god help us, trying to sit on an imaginary chair . trying to sit on an imaginary chair. either trying to sit on an imaginary chair . either that trying to sit on an imaginary chair. either that or he was doing something else. i shudder to think . and we had a seven way to think. and we had a seven way tv debate on the bbc, which also

included plaid cymru . included plaid cymru. >> i believe that the real frustration in this election is the lack of change on offer from the lack of change on offer from the labour party. whether you liked him or not. there was a feeling i was still working as a as a journalist back in the 90s when tony blair came in. at least there was a feeling of something different happening. >> the greens, who say real change, a real hope, is needed, and the snp's defence of immigration as being essential to public services and businesses. i'm exhausted. it's been a mucky old week . well, been a mucky old week. well, coming up, comedian jon martin will be making light of this week's top stories in mock the week. then, at 320, it's my hot topic roundtable discussion as an urgent health warning has been issued after an e coli outbreak was linked to a nationally distributed food item, unspecified number of people are being treated in hospital. so how worried should we be then? at 335, ruby

gallagher will be joining me live from tel aviv to tell us about his library book that he returned 47 years later and with the uk's party set to announce their manifestos next week, i'll be asking what would you like to see the main parties include for israel? we'll also be discussing the hostages that were rescued for hostages rescued today. then joining me to shine a light on the political hot seat today is former political adviser to the liberal democrats , pablo ohana. liberal democrats, pablo ohana. and we'll discuss the latest poll figures ahead of the general election on the 4th of july. he's my political spotlight at 345. all of that is on the way. tell me what you think on everything we're discussing. send me your views. post your comments. gbnews.com/yoursay . right. so gbnews.com/yoursay. right. so joining me now is comedian john martin. john martin, welcome, nana. >> it's lovely to be with you here again . >> it's lovely to be with you here again. i'm not i'm not in a good mood. can i tell you that? no. >> you watch the debates.

>> you watch the debates. >> i did, but earlier today i went into a closed shop. >> i bought a jacket, a blazer, and it said on the label slightly imperfect. >> i've come to the studio, opened it up, and one sleeve is longer than the other two. so i'm not really in a good mood at the moment. nana you know, it's been a strange week. gareth southgate has named his squad to win the euros. it's southgate has named his squad to win the euros . it's france cos win the euros. it's france cos we got beat by iceland last night. i know. hopefully we'll have better luck next week. i think we're playing tesco's so fingers crossed. yeah, i mean i've been watching the debates the i like a general election . i the i like a general election. i get to see my mp since i haven't seen him for five years, so yeah, i was watching the debate and, you know, was penny morton's hair getting bigger as it went on? i'm sure it was, wasn't he? it was sort of like a sort of, what was that guy on star trek? >> the one with all the hair? chewbacca i've got a wig like that. my last wig was going like that. my last wig was going like that. i don't know, you know, i

watched it in a talking over each other and stuff like that. >> in fact, i'm just looking at the time. i've got to go now. can i do a rishi sunak can leave early. is that all right? can i do a rishi sunak can leave early. is that all right ? wasn't early. is that all right? wasn't that terrible? how? what was he thinking ? calamitous. thinking? calamitous. >> i mean, he wouldn't have just been such an insult. team would have. >> i know, but he was, you know. come on. yeah. you know, i mean, i write history books sometimes some subjects in the second world war. so i know, you know, i've, i researched a lot, but absolutely. i mean, that's like absolutely. i mean, that's like a dereliction of duty in the army. it's desertion. i mean, it's over . it's army. it's desertion. i mean, it's over. it's just over. army. it's desertion. i mean, it's over . it's just over. the it's over. it's just over. the best thing you can do is just give the keys in and cancel the general election. >> what to who? >> what to who? >> keir starmer anyone. anyone? >> keir starmer anyone. anyone? >> anyone. >> anyone. >> you know, someone came up, you know , keir starmer today is you know, keir starmer today is talking about helping small businesses and i've said this to you before on this show and i'm desperate. are you going to i'm going to get you to do a segment on this small businesses will absolutely give nothing in in covid. and now someone mentioned it last night, a great term conspiracy of silence . the

conspiracy of silence. the labour party. i mean obviously rishi sunak is not talking about it because it was his decision, but the labour party aren't talking about how businesses small businesses were excluded from any support , but they're from any support, but they're talking about supporting them now aren't they. >> yeah, but kick it in if there's any left. >> i mean, you need these businesses to boost the economy, surely. it's outrageous. it's just it's it is. it's outrageous. >> i mean, i watched the debates and it did feel like there was a bit of a to and fro between angela rayner and penny mordaunt and a lot of the debate was sort of taken with that . everyone of taken with that. everyone that, that and i was disappointed with the host because i thought she would sort of try and create slightly more balance to get more voices in. and yeah, i mean, disappointing for me, it got on. >> i think it certainly got on my nerves after a while. you're watching it and you're thinking, oh, come on, just, you know, answer the questions of the audience. but you never do. >> but they always come out with a personal story. yeah, i was a carer once and when i did this, i don't care. what are you going to do. yeah. >> you know, i mean, i don't i'm

not political or anything like that. i actually quite i'll be honest , i that. i actually quite i'll be honest, i quite like penny morton at the beginning of the debate. but i have to after it went on and on, she was just getting on my wick. >> well, i think they were all getting a bit annoying, but there were some people talked about a bit of a bbc bias in that the audience felt like they were london centric, even though they were an audience that picked independently, through, i think it was 17 or 1 of the polling companies. so it wasn't the bbc who picked them. the questions were all, you know , questions were all, you know, not seen beforehand and everything else like that, but somebody pointed out that every time and there was a clip on twitter, every time nigel farage spoke, they seemed to go back to this one person who was going shaking their head. >> well, i think i think he's saying personally, i think it's the same person i know you've mentioned the milkshake and shaking the heads. i think he's going to shake it up. you know, i really do. and you know, i'm not i'm not saying i'm a fan of nigel farage or anything, but my god, it needs shaking up, doesn't it? this political system. and i think it's so wrong. they could end up getting

millions of votes and no seats. that's just not that's not democracy . that's not what democracy. that's not what people are voting for. it's wrong . the whole to me, the wrong. the whole to me, the whole i watch parliament and the whole i watch parliament and the whole thing just needs knocking down and starting again. it's just it's dreadful. it's dreadful. and as i say, i'm not a political animal. i'm not an expert. i'm a i'm a comedian. well i used to be. i'm a comedian and it's just ludicrous. >> what goes on comedy. i mean, the whole thing seems comedic to me. >> watching. it's just awful, you know, and things that are going on. you're talking about e coli, you know, and i worry about all these things. the water as well. >> i mean, at least ed davey has been talking about the water. yeah, yeah, yeah. and you know that. lovely. i mean, it's again why are they not focusing on why are they, why are they allowing these companies to put sewage into the rich? i don't understand it. >> outrageous. but then they say, and someone said as well and not nothing works in this

country and it doesn't. you can't get a signal on your phone when you're driving around or on the. it'sjust when you're driving around or on the. it's just yeah, it's just dreadful. but i do worry about all this eco like thing coming in. swine flu worried me. i was to talking a man earlier in one of the cafes outside and i said, what do you think caused swine flu? he said , oh, and it it flu? he said, oh, and it it really? i said, how long do you think you've had it? he said, about a week. and it worried me that nana because things worry me. i get stressed, they do. >> i mean, look, even h5n2 , >> i mean, look, even h5n2, which is the second version of bird flu, somebody died of that a little while. oh it's awful, you know, and they're they're saying we're looking at it. there's a couple of red flags about this, this disease . but so about this, this disease. but so far they're not concerned. >> are we surprised . and when >> are we surprised. and when these companies like we've just said are just empty and, you know, there's filthy water everywhere , how are we surprised everywhere, how are we surprised as disease and illnesses and. well, yeah, i mean what is it's just ludicrous.

>> what's going on? i don't think the bird flu is connected to the war. no, neither do i. >> but you don't know what's going on. you know, it's just awful. it really is awful. what's going on? >> what about joe biden, though? because, of course, as you said, regarding rishi sunak , even he's regarding rishi sunak, even he's apologised and acknowledged that what he did was not really acceptable. what about joe biden, the leader of the free world? he looked like he was ehhen world? he looked like he was either. well, i won't say he looked like he was maybe trying to have a dump or i'm sorry to say that, but he was bending down in this weird way, as if he was sitting on an imaginary chair. what was that about? >> you know, is this the best we've got? this is, you know, this is the leader of the free will, they call it isn't. you know, i know when president trump, he came to britain and the secret service were terrified in case someone took a shot at him. and if they did, they were going to shout, donald duck! oh, so terrible. but is this is the way i thought about to tell you that one? >> that's a really good one. >> that's a really good one. >> yeah, it's just unbelievable. and, you know, the worrying thing is, you know, is, is

president putin looking at this and has he got he he must think having a laugh. he's got to be you know, and at the west the we st. west. >> well i feel sorry for the people . so you and i because people. so you and i because most of the people i speak to are perfectly normal, decent human beings who just want a really good working political system, but it seems to be hijacked by these elites who don't really understand things. and you know , rishi sunak and you know, rishi sunak leaving d—day gives an example of this sort of thing complete disconnect. >> he's talking about national service. he couldn't even do a full day. he couldn't put a full day in. that's just unbelievable . unbelievable. come to liverpool, do a leaders debate in liverpool and see what kind of response. i think these are normal people. yeah, these are people that have been ignored by london being ignored by westminster, not just liverpool . westminster, not just liverpool. okay, i'm from liverpool and i see it go to some of the inner cities. well do and do your debate there .

debate there. >> yeah that would be interesting. i think they should i mean i do i'd love to see it wasn't the first one in manchester, the first one of the debates. yeah. >> but again you know, it's a selected audience isn't it. it's a picked audience. let them go and speak to normal people in liverpool city centre. see what they've got to say about you. >> we do that in gb news. we have people's forums all the time. >> i think you're going to do a show from liverpool, aren't you? i would love, i think you are. >> well, listen, john martin, it's such a pleasure to talk. >> no, you're not getting rid of me now. me how. >> me now. >> i'll catch you. where can they find you? >> oh, i'm always here. there and everywhere. i'm on the run. >> have you got a. he's on the run. they've got a website, website. >> do you think i'm spider—man? >> do you think i'm spider—man? >> no, i don't actually. >> no, i don't actually. >> you can find me on the internet and. >> all right, john martin, i just drive around till i see a light on and think. >> this will do. >> this will do. >> john martin, thank you very much. >> my pleasure. >> my pleasure. >> very good to talk to you. well, what do you think? stay tuned. but first, it's time for the great british giveaway. your chance to make this summer really special with over £16,000 worth of prizes to be won. that's £15,000 in cash and a whole host of treats. you have

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gb news. good afternoon. it's just coming up to 25 minutes after 3:00 if you're just tuned in. welcome this is gp news. we are the people's channel. i'm nana akua now, as we saw seven representatives from britain's major parties last night took to the stage in a heated clash . the the stage in a heated clash. the prime minister was roundly criticised for his early exit, leaving d—day commemorations on thursday with penny morton

herself describing it as completely wrong. well, joining me now is gb news political correspondent, katherine forster catherine. so the leaders debates, what are we, what are what are we getting from this seven way debate on the bbc? there's been certain criticisms, but what's what's the most resounding criticism that you're heanng resounding criticism that you're hearing about it ? hearing about it? >> well, criticisms of course. people talking over each other . people talking over each other. it always happens, doesn't it? and they had seven politicians, all desperate to get their points across . so it was unruly points across. so it was unruly in places. but i think , largely in places. but i think, largely michelle hussein, the host, did a pretty decent job of sort of keeping a lid on that , nigel keeping a lid on that, nigel farage, according to a poll done afterwards , seems to have been afterwards, seems to have been the most successful. about a quarter of people thought that he won the debate, if you like, followed by angela rayner and then the others on on lower scores . but i think what struck scores. but i think what struck me most was the fact that angela rayner and penny morton ended up standing to next each other by

accident because it was a ballot, but a lot of it was basically a really feisty row between the two of them. penny mordaunt carried on with this £2,000, tax rise that they say that labour is going to bring in, which is questionable , and in, which is questionable, and angela rayner hitting back on that. but also what really struck me was , penny mordaunt struck me was, penny mordaunt defence, if you can call it that, of the prime minister and that, of the prime minister and that d—day decision which has gone so very, very badly wrong for him because, you know, she was there in his place, she said that he'd made a mistake. he'd apologised. but she said on repeated occasions that it was very wrong and completely wrong what she could have done but didn't do was defend the government's record on veterans . government's record on veterans. they have got a veterans minister, johnny mercer, who's keen to point out all that they have done for veterans. she could have talked about the fact that they're raising defence

spending to 2.5, but she didn't do any of that. and i think it's because she'd very much like to because she'd very much like to be leader of the conservative party if, as is expected , party if, as is expected, they're not in power after the next election. the problem with that, of course, is that there's some projections that she's likely to lose her seat. but i did think it was significant that the biggest round of applause in the whole 90 minutes came for a member of the public who simply said, why is it that politicians make all sorts of promises when they want your vote, but when they get into power, they just let you down. well, catherine, thank you very much for that. really good to talk to you. yeah. all right. well stay with me if you just. well stay with me if you just. well if you've just tuned in to 27 minutes after 3:00. and now onto an urgent health warning that's been issued after an e coli outbreak was linked to a nationally distributed food item. more than 100 people have been struck down by a mysterious outbreak in a in under a

fortnight, and at least 37 have been hospitalised, with the nhs on its knees due to staff shortages. should we be worried? well, joining me now is nhs doctor bhasha mukherjee g mukherjee. mukherjee. yes sorry about that. sorry. that was like about that. sorry. that was like a hand grenade in the in the script. suddenly i should have asked you that . bhasha mukherjee asked you that. bhasha mukherjee bashen asked you that. bhasha mukherjee basher. welcome. now talk to me. what is e coli? >> so e coli is a bacteria that normally does live in your gut. anyway but occasionally there is the pathogenic form which means it's a disease causing form. >> in this case, that's what they're founding . they're founding. >> is stec shiga toxin producing e coli. this toxin is the thing that we need to be worried about because it can cause potentially really harmful side effects, like bloody diarrhoea. and in very young people and those who are immunocompromised, it can make them very unwell and even cause kidney failure and all the things like that. >> so wow. so that's quite a serious bug. and the naturally

occurring one in the stomach doesn't turn into that. do you have to ingest it for it to become the disease causing version? yes >> so most of e coli is passed on through the faecal oral route. the clue is in the name you should have ingested something containing e.coli . something containing e.coli. generally it needs to be infected with something from faeces essentially, and we still don't know where this is coming from. on this occasion. but in the past there has been occasions where it's been in salads and lettuce. it's been in the temps as well, so. well from anywhere surprise me with all this water being sewage being discharged into the water. >> if it's cooking food, kill it i >> -- >> yes. so, it's not the bacteria we're talking about. i'm talking about the toxin. we want to break down the toxin, and about 70 degrees is about that cut off point. if you heat food to about that much, you think that we can destroy the toxin? but a lot of the foods that this is implicated in, like

beef, for example , and like beef, for example, and like burgers, even if you heat it sometime , there's still a little sometime, there's still a little bit left over because it doesn't always heat thoroughly in all parts of the food. so it is one of those catch 22. >> and you often hear in things like cheese and stuff like that. so things that you don't really cook when you get them, you can cook when you get them, you can cook it, but you probably wouldn't. but the reassuring thing is that it is a self—limiting illness, which means that for most people who are healthy, they probably will clear it by themselves. >> so actually, even though there's 100 cases, i think there's100 cases, i think they're still very simple measures that people can take, making sure they're washing their hands. that's something we learned through covid and it's still applicable in all diseases. washing your hands. if you've made contact with someone who's been unwell and then you become unwell, that's that's a bit alarming. so maybe limiting your contact with food and, you know, preparing for other people or even contact with people who

are high risk, as we said, the really old, the really young, the immunocompromised and even, you know, if you do develop diarrhoea, maybe not rushing to a pharmacy or rushing to the gp, calling them first because these are areas where we do see much more immunocompromised people and you could be putting other people at risk essentially, and, and do do we have any idea as to where it's actually coming from? >> because and if we don't, why are they not saying something? because they must have some idea , surely. >> well, they think that it's from a food distribution system because it's. >> what does that mean? >> what does that mean? >> it means it must be a food that's been sent all across the country, because there's been cases from all across the country. generally, when there's an outbreak, we see it's usually in a small group of people who may may have made contact from a small source. but this is all over the country and it's affected all different age ranges. so it's most likely come from a food source that's been distributed . but in the past we distributed. but in the past we have seen it from water sources

and unwashed food sources and uncooked food sources. so those are still things that you can you can keep be wary of. all right. well listen thank you very much. and if people catch it don't go to a pharmacy. very much. and if people catch it don't go to a pharmacy . maybe it don't go to a pharmacy. maybe call up your doctor and your gp and find out what you should do from there. >> yes, i would say that most , >> yes, i would say that most, most of the time if you have typical diarrhoea, it's not. it usually gets better by itself because your gut is a tube. so usually the infection makes its way out by itself. the things to worry about would be if you develop bloody diarrhoea, if your diarrhoea is lasting more than seven days, and if you start becoming really unwell in terms of becoming dehydrated, feeling very drowsy , making sure feeling very drowsy, making sure you're keeping on top of your hydration with simple measures like oral rehydration therapy. or you can even make this at home. you don't have to buy it necessarily. just salt, sugar with water, keeping yourself hydrated. those those are the measures to do . measures to do. >> i thought, coca cola or pepsi cola are quite good for that aren't they? aren't they. they have salt and sugar and water.

i've heard that they're quite good. rehydration probably. maybe not. don't take my advice. she's a doctor. i listen to her. thank you very much. bhasha mukherjee mookerjee. mukerji. thank you very much. bhasha mukherjee . there you go. she's mukherjee. there you go. she's an nhs doctor. you're with me. i'm nana akua. this is gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. coming up nana niguel at last night. seven party debate . last night. seven party debate. we saw politicians go head to head as they prepared for the general election . i'll be general election. i'll be discussing that. but first let's get your latest news headlines. >> thank you. nana. here are the headunes. >> thank you. nana. here are the headlines . at 333, an israeli headlines. at 333, an israeli special forces officer has been killed in a rescue operation in gaza in which four hostages were freed. noah argaman, almog mahajan, andrei kozlov and shlomi ziv were rescued by the idf . all four were kidnapped by idf. all four were kidnapped by the hamas terror group from the nova music festival on the 7th of october. well, if you're watching on tv this is the

moment one of the hostages, noah, was reunited with her family. the four hostages had been held in two houses in a residential neighbourhood of al nuseirat in the central gaza strip, israel's prime minister benjamin netanyahu says his country won't give in to terrorism and remains committed to bringing all the hostages home. britain's high streets could be in for a boost, with labour set to unveil a plan to breathe new life into shopping areas. it's expected to include an overhaul of the business rate system to help high street shops compete with online giants. the conservative party says the changes amount to what they call french style union laws, and pointed to its own record of supporting small businesses. but shadow chancellor rachel reeves says it will boost access to high street banking, but undetermined to ensure that our high streets have that chance to thrive and succeed again. >> and there's some great examples of that already . but we

examples of that already. but we want to reform the business rate system in a way that reduces the costs for small businesses and high streets , ensuring that some high streets, ensuring that some of the big multinationals and tech companies pay their fair share . share. >> michael mosley's wife says his family will not lose hope, as the search for the missing tv doctor continues as an emergency helicopter was seen arriving on the greek island of symi a short time ago. as efforts focus on the mountainous terrain where he's believed to have been walking . he was last seen in walking. he was last seen in cctv footage in the village of pd on wednesday . well, those are pd on wednesday. well, those are the headlines and for all the latest stories do sign up to gb news alerts. just scan the qr code on your screen or go to gb news. common alerts. now it's back to . nana. back to. nana. >> thank you tamzin. still to come, former political adviser to the liberal democrats pablo

ohana will be here to discuss. and he'll be in my political hot seat next to uri geller will me as he returns a library book 47 years later. do not

well. good afternoon. 39 minutes after 3:00. this is gb news. we are britain's election channel. i'm nana akua now. israel says that it's freed four hostages from gaza in the latest rescue operation . since the war with operation. since the war with hamas, which began on october the 7th. reportedly, 94 palestinians were killed during the attacks in the area. well joining me now is performer and mystifier uri geller. uri really good to talk to you. great news that four hostages have been rescued . rescued. >> amazing. look nana here in israel, we you know, we've just received the most amazing news. >> four hostages, as you said,

have been rescued in gaza . have been rescued in gaza. >> now, this is unbelievable. the country is feeling elated. this is such a big morale boost for israel. now, i don't know if you remember nana, but only last week i held up a picture of a young female hostage called noa argaman . do you remember? her argaman. do you remember? her mother is dying of brain cancer ? mother is dying of brain cancer? well, noa noa was one of those rescued and she has already been reunited with her parents. that is so such amazing and unbelievable news. now let me jump unbelievable news. now let me jump a subject for a moment, because before we talk about the serious stuff nana, i want to share with your viewers something a bit fun. as you know, i always talk to you from inside my museum like now. like you know, this is actually in the basement. so just recently when i was searching in a storage container , which i have

storage container, which i have not opened for years, i found a book.the not opened for years, i found a book. the book is called the geller papers. it's a library book. and it was overdue. by 47 years. this was a book about myself which i had borrowed from a library in los angeles in 1977. i wanted to show it to carlos castaneda . if you don't carlos castaneda. if you don't know who carlos castaneda is, you have to google it . so know who carlos castaneda is, you have to google it. so being the good citizen, i sent the book back to the library nana the library was amazed and thankfully they didn't find me. i mean , this is a sweet story i mean, this is a sweet story which went worldwide. if you want to read the story, just basically google, uri geller library book. okay, now let me pick up this flag. we all know what's dominating the news in the uk at the moment, and that is the elections next week. the parties are going to unveil the foreign policy plans and this

could change everything. so what do i mean by that? well, just look at what's going on around us. there are threats all over the middle east is in flames. russia is sneering at the west with nuclear weapons . only with nuclear weapons. only yesterday, putin called europe defenceless as iran. iran is trying to get nuclear weapons and north korea , which has and north korea, which has nuclear weapons, is run by a paranoid madman. well, nana let me tell you what i want to hear from labour and the conservatives next week. my country is at war and what happens here affects the streets of britain. i'm deeply concerned that labour's manifesto is going to say they will recognise a palestinian state. nana i think thatis palestinian state. nana i think that is naive and deadly dangerous . i

that is naive and deadly dangerous. i want every palestinian to live in freedom and dignity. i want them to live in a democracy . i don't want any in a democracy. i don't want any palestinian child to know the meaning of war. but but if the next british government recognises a palestinian state now, it will be a big mistake. it will be like rewarding al—qaeda after the 911. it will make hamas more popular and it will encourage more terrorism , i will encourage more terrorism, i want to show you something. somebody in england made this for me. look what i really want to hear from both parties next week. is this i want to hear them say we are going to totally isolate iran because nana iran isolate iran because nana iran is stoking the protests in london. iran is inciting british students on your campuses. iran is turning pockets of britain into hubs of radical islam. nana

i love britain. i'm a british citizen too. it has a proud history , but it is at a tipping history, but it is at a tipping point. whoever is the next prime minister they have the last chance to save it. nana peace. that's what i want for the world. thanks again for having me on your show. i love you all. >> thank you very much . those >> thank you very much. those are his thoughts in tel aviv live really good to talk to you. what are your views on that? do you think it's wise to recognise a palestinian state? some people would say that it is good because it would then enable proper talks and conversations, and they'll be restricted within the international laws that we all abide by. but what are your thoughts? gb views .com forward slash your say next former political adviser to the liberal democrats pablo ohana will be in the political hot seat to shine a light

good afternoon. 48 minutes after 3:00. this is gb news. we're live on tv, online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua . digital radio. i'm nana akua. and it's time now for this week's political spotlight. so joining me to shine a light is former political adviser to the liberal democrats, pablo ohana. now i want to start with what was widely seen as the biggest gaffe of the general election. pablo this campaign so far after sunak left the 80th anniversary of the normandy landings early to get back to campaigning, and it hasn't gone any brighter for the tories as a leader of the commons, penny mordaunt didn't hold back in last night's election. debate happened was completely wrong and the prime minister has rightly apologised for that, apologised to veterans but also to all of us because he was representing all of us. >> i just want to have left d—day early . >> i just want to have left d—day early. i didn't go to d—day. i think what happened was

very wrong. i think the prime minister has apologised for that. but what i also think is important is we honour their legacy . legacy. >> why couldn't she just say no? well, how badly will this impact them going forward? so joining me now is pablo. pablo, welcome to the program. what do you what are your thoughts on this seven way debate that we had? we'll start with that . start with that. >> well i hope anymore than she had to apologise, i think it was five times, for that. and i can tell you as someone who spent a decade in political pr and, and boy , i made some mistakes, but boy, i made some mistakes, but i would never recover if i had advised or signed off on a decision like this. i just think the whole thing is a fiasco. and, i mean, i to some degree, as a kind of as a political pr person and someone who's worked in campaigns, you know, to some degree, i feel for them because this is not a fun campaign. and i've been on plenty of not fun

campaigns, but it really they have really messed up here big time. >> i mean, you had the speech in the rain to announce the election. he turned around. his back was just covered, but his hair stayed in place. you've had him standing in the titanic quarter, wherever that was. i mean , that's a quarter named mean, that's a quarter named after a sinking ship . and then, after a sinking ship. and then, of course, this big gaffe. keir starmer has literally sat there in all these things have happened, and he's just kind of sat there and, you know, it feels like all his sundays have come at once, really on it. what about keir starmer? have you seen any gaffes on his campaign ? seen any gaffes on his campaign? >> i mean, everyone's been talking about this idea that keir starmer is sort of carrying this ming vase, sort of analogy . this ming vase, sort of analogy. and, you know, i think that i think that is true to some degree, they're playing it pretty safe. and actually, i think one of the interesting things that i thought about last night's debate , is that i felt night's debate, is that i felt like i kind of missed the fire from angela rayner, regardless of whether you, you know, whether you agree with her politics or not, she does. when she gets fired up, she's really

powerful. she's a great communicator. and i feel like we sort of we miss that. she landed a few good blows and she, you know, she had a go at them for the tory mini—budget. liz truss budget, she absolutely, you know, avoided engaging with farage. and what i've said this before i think is probably a labour strategy to sort of allow farage to kind of continue eating into tory support. but i do think that she was she was a little bit restrained, a little bit subdued, and i was surprised that we didn't get that kind of, you know, as i say, when she gets going, she can be great. and i think we missed a bit of that last night, actually. >> yes. i've seen her on fire, as— >> yes. i've seen her on fire, as it were. and she's she is fabulous to watch, you know, so i it did feel like she's been subdued or maybe told not to overegg things. penny morton kept pointing at her. penny had the incredible hair and then some people were quite impressed by the greens, the greens candidate even if they didn't agree with what she said. some felt that she came across well. what were your thoughts ?

what were your thoughts? >> yeah, i agree, so actually last night, i did sort of winners, losers of the debate and i put caledonia as one of the winners, i thought she was eloquent. i thought she was considered, again, kind of politics aside, she was a point, a little bit rehearsed. i think you could see that she was relying on notes a little bit, but actually she , she, she but actually she, she, she really kind of brought a professionalism and integrity to the debate that was really needed, in moments when it often descended into just bickering between, labour and the tories and, and, i mean, she she landed and, and, i mean, she she landed a stinging blow on the labour party. you know, when, rayner said that the labour party was a changed party and carla came back and said, yeah, into the tories. and, it was, you know, i sort of had an intake of breath and i was like, okay, she's she's going for it, you know, but yeah, i thought it was certainly the whole last night was, was a victory for the smaller parties for the liberal democrats, the snp, plaid and green definitely got what they needed out of it, i was

surprised actually. >> what about reform, the i think it's appalling. the telegraph that said that he, they felt he was the winner of they felt he was the winner of the debate and then it was angela rayner. what were your thoughts on reform and nigel farage. >> yeah. so i was just about to say it's funny because i, i didn't think that farage really landed a big moment. didn't think that farage really landed a big moment . and we landed a big moment. and we really have come to expect that from him again , politics aside, from him again, politics aside, he is a dominating character. he is an excellent communicator, you know, he he had some good kind of quotes. you know, he called for an immigration election and, and things like that. but he i don't feel like he really landed a knockout moment, which is unusual for him , you know, he talked about the nhs and things like that, but i, i was surprised when i saw that he was sort of lauded as the winner of the debate, because i really didn't feel it. i felt like he didn't have a terrible night. i really think penny morgan, i, you know, at some stage i really felt that you know, she just was apologising and apologising and apologising.

she went on the £2,000 attack, which is widely debunked. and, you know , shouting over rayner. you know, shouting over rayner. he's like jabbing fingers everywhere . so it was, it was, everywhere. so it was, it was, it was not a great night for her. >> it wasn't was it pablo and hannah, thank you very much. really good to talk to you. that's pablo, he's my political spotlight. he was in the hot seat this afternoon. but if you're just tuned in. welcome. my you're just tuned in. welcome. my nana akua coming up. i'll be joined by my amazing panel. lizzie cundy and matthew lazo. but next nana niguel. and what i thought of the seven way debate . thought of the seven way debate. >> looks like things are heating up. boxt boilers. >> sponsors of weather on gb news is . news is. >> hello. here's your latest weather update from the met office for gb news. we hold on to mixed weather conditions across the uk over the next few days. some sunshine, some showers and chilly temperatures too. for the time of year. low pressure is sitting towards the north—east of the uk, high pressure out towards the west that's generating that northerly flow with weather fronts embedded in the flow enhancing

showers at times. so looking at the detail for this evening and through the overnight period, we'll hold on to showers towards the north and northwest of the uk, merging later to give some longer spells of rain, particularly across parts of northern ireland and the south—west of scotland. by sunday morning, quite blustery here too, but with the cloud rain, the wind here, temperatures do hold up , whereas temperatures do hold up, whereas further south it's becoming clear. and although temperatures in towns and cities holding up near double figures, it will turn quite chilly in rural spots could see a touch of grass frost. in fact, by sunday morning, with temperatures in rural spots here locally down into low single figures . so into low single figures. so we're heading into sunday morning. we do get off to a sunny start across the bulk of the southern part of the uk, much of southern england, wales and midlands , seeing lots of and midlands, seeing lots of sunshine, but it will be quite chilly, those temperatures gradually climbing through the morning. then we run into an area of cloud and some showery outbreaks of rain across northern ireland, northwest england and the southwest of scotland , with sunshine and scotland, with sunshine and showers further north—east across the north—east of scotland , coupled with quite scotland, coupled with quite a gusty north to north westerly winds during the remainder of sunday, cloud will gradually start to push its way south across the uk. so after a sunny start in the south we'll see

more in the way of cloud developing here as we head into the afternoon. those showery outbreaks of rain across northern ireland, southwest scotland edging into northern england and parts of wales as we head into the afternoon on sunday and we hold on to sunshine and showers further north and northeast towards the northeast of scotland, and here to quite chilly with that gusty northwesterly wind. temperatures are best up to 20 celsius towards the southeast of the uk. heading into sunday evening. those showery bursts of rain continue south eastwards into other parts of england and wales . i think the far south of the uk should stay fine and we hold on to clearer skies and showers towards the far north of the uk too, as for the start of next week, well, a case of sunshine and showers once again and temperatures still disappointing for the time of year. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boiler as sponsors of weather on

gb news. >> good afternoon. hello and welcome to gb news on tv , online welcome to gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua. and for the next two hours, me and my panel will be taking on some of the big topics. hitting the headlines. right now, this show is all about opinion . it's mine, it's about opinion. it's mine, it's theirs. and of course it's yours. we'll be debating , yours. we'll be debating, discussing and at times we will disagree, but no one will be cancelled. so joining me today is broadcaster and columnist lizzie cundy and also former labour party adviser matthew laza . coming up, my great laza. coming up, my great british debate. i'm asking who won last night's tv debate. seven representatives of britain's major parties took to the stage last night for a heated clash over competing visions of the country. then my difficult conversation . joining difficult conversation. joining me presenter and daily mail consultant editor. it's our own andrew pierce. he'll be here to tell us about his journey to track down his birth mother, as chronicled in his new book, finding margaret. then, in a clip, bait . let's watch the clip, bait. let's watch the moment. prolific phone snatcher sony stringer snatches of mobile on blackfriars bridge . what do

on blackfriars bridge. what do you think happens next? well, stay tuned to find out. but before we get started, let's get your latest news with tatiana sanchez. >> gnaana. thank you. the top stories this hour. an israeli special forces officer has been killed in a special operation in gaza in which four hostages were rescued. noah ajmani , al rescued. noah ajmani, al mohammed, jan andrey kozlov and shlomi ziv were recovered by the idf. all four were kidnapped by the hamas terror group from the nova music festival on the 7th of october. >> and if you're watching this on television, this is the moment one of the hostages, noah, was reunited with her family and received a phone call from the country's president, who welcomed her home. >> the four had been held in two houses in a residential neighbourhood of al nusrat in the central gaza strip .

the central gaza strip. >> israel prime minister benjamin netanyahu says his country won't give in to terrorism and remains committed to bringing all of the hostages home. in other news, penny morden clashed with angela rayner over issues including nhs waiting lists and the economy in a televised debate last night . a televised debate last night. both were reprimanded for speaking over one another, whilst miss rayner received applause after claiming former prime minister liz truss had crashed the economy . crashed the economy. >> keir starmer confirmed this earlier this week. they are going to put up your taxes by £2,000. >> that's a lie . >> that's a lie. >> that's a lie. >> buy £2,000 per working anymore. >> you're using you're using a figure that's been criticised by the uk statistics watchdog costings and labour's own stand by your record and you'll see record levels of taxes on working people . working people. >> 26 separate tax hikes in the last parliament, as we just heard, penny mordaunt was criticised for repeating the

claim that labour would increase taxes . sir keir starmer now says taxes. sir keir starmer now says labour's manifesto is complete and insists there'll be no tax surprises. well we finalised our manifesto yesterday, which was a great moment because at the end of the meeting it was acclaimed by everybody in the meeting and you know, good manifestos are those that tell a story about the country and those that succeed . succeed. >> everything in our manifesto won't be any surprises on tax . won't be any surprises on tax. all of our plans are fully costed, fully funded and none of them involving tax rises over and above those that we've already set out . already set out. >> britain's high streets could be in for a boost with labour set to unveil a plan to breathe new life into shopping strips. it's expected to include an overhaul of the business rate system to help high street shops compete with online giants. the conservative party says the changes amount to french style union laws, and pointed to its own record of supporting small

businesses. but shadow chancellor rachel reeves says it will boost access to high street banking . banking. >> but i'm determined to ensure that our high streets have that chance to thrive and succeed again. and there's some great examples of that already. >> but we want to reform the business rate system in a way that reduces the costs for small businesses and high streets, ensuring that some of the big multinationals and tech companies pay their fair share . companies pay their fair share. >> three new national parks would be declared as part of a manifesto pledge by the liberal democrats. the party says it would spend around £50 million a year on maintaining the natural areas, with the chilterns and hertfordshire and buckinghamshire listed as possible locations. there are currently ten national parks in england, and sir ed davey says the government has failed on its 2019 promise to create a new one. well, this is a capital investment. >> over the next five years and you're right, it is a significant investment . but i significant investment. but i believe this is hugely important

for our environment and it will help the fight against climate change. it will help the fight against the nature crisis. we need to improve bio diversity and whether it's local authorities or farmers or the national parks being part of this . this. >> and veteran film star dick van dyke has made history as the oldest ever winner of a daytime emmy award. the 98 year old star of classics , including mary of classics, including mary poppins, took home a trophy for a guest appearance on the long running soap opera days of our lives . he joked that running soap opera days of our lives. he joked that he'd running soap opera days of our lives . he joked that he'd been lives. he joked that he'd been playing old people for his whole career , and said winning the career, and said winning the award tops the lifetime of 80 years in the business. for the latest stories , sign up to gb latest stories, sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen or go to gb news .com/ alerts. now back to . nana. >> thank you tatiana. it is fast

approaching six minutes after 4:00. this is gb news. we are the people's channel. i'm nana akua britain's election channel. so we all sat through a seven way tv debate hosted on the bbc on the roster. penny mordaunt for the conservatives angela rayner for the labour party, caladenia for the greens, liberal democrats deputy leader daisy cooper, stephen flynn from the snp, plaid conway's leader ryan longworth and nigel farage for reform. and there was an independently selected audience who seemed at times to be at odds with public opinion. they cheered at the suggestion of more migration . more migration. >> you see a few home truths, particularly to some members of this panel . migration is this panel. migration is absolutely essential to our pubuc absolutely essential to our public services. >> it's absolutely essential to our businesses , and it's our businesses, and it's absolutely essential . absolutely essential. >> very strange when all the

opinion polls, whilst we accept migration at low levels, is good, most opinion polls and most of the main parties have admitted that migration is actually too high and we want less. there was a scrap between the labour and the conservatives. >> i think £1,000. >> i think £1,000. >> penny mordaunt you're using, you're using a figure that's been criticised by the uk statistics watchdog costings and labour's own stand by your record and your record levels of taxes on working people. >> 26 separate tax hikes in the last parliament, about 12 new taxes that labour are going to bnngin taxes that labour are going to bring in absolute rubbish. >> we've absolutely guaranteed we will not raise taxes for working people in this. >> how can we have a shot to close that gap? >> £2,000 per working household . >> £2,000 per working household. >> £2,000 per working household. >> i'm i'm going to policies. >> i'm i'm going to policies. >> are you going to take out of your manifesto which ones we will pay for . will pay for. >> no, i mean what can you say about that ? khalife from the about that? khalife from the greens summed it up .

greens summed it up. >> it's level. >> it's level. >> it's level. >> it's time. >> it's time. >> it's time to hear from the others. >> angela rayner. it's time to hear from the others. caledonia. >> well, that was terribly dignified, wasn't it ? dignified, wasn't it? >> the camera kept cutting away to the same guy who kept shaking his head. when nigel farage spoke. his head. when nigel farage spoke . but this drew a laugh . spoke. but this drew a laugh. >> i think this has been one of the worst general election campaigns so far between the two main parties i've ever seen in my lifetime. it isn't just that their leaders are dull, don't really, well, very dull. in the case of labour, i mean sort of sort of blair without the flair. i mean, the real leader of the labour party is here tonight on the stage. at least she's got some personality, frankly, i got a bit bored with it. the main winner in my eyes was penny mordaunt's . mordaunt's. hair. right. so it's eight minutes

after 4:00. before we get stuck into the debates, here's what else is coming up today for the great british debate this hour. i'm asking, who do you think won last night's tv debate? seven representative from britain's major parties took to the stage last night in a heated clash. what do you think? who was your winner then at 450? royal roundup time, angela levin will be here to give us the latest from behind the palace walls on the menu. king charles, who showed his softer side during the d—day commemorations and also , i'm wondering, are we also, i'm wondering, are we getting too emotional about the royal family after the passing of the queen of the queen? what do you think? and then at 5:00, it's this week's difficult conversation. andrew pierce will be live in the studio to talk about the journey he was that he went on to find his biological mother that's coming up in the next hour. stay tuned. tell me what you think on everything we're discussing. send me your views, post your comments gbnews.com. forward slash. you'll . see. right. let's get you'll. see. right. let's get started. let's welcome again to

my panel broadcast on columnist lizzie cundy. and also former labour party adviser matthew laza right lizzie cundy i'm going to come to you first. did you have a little party with these debates going on? what did you do? i did indeed. >> there was a gathering of us of all different ages and generations. >> a lot of us in the political wilderness. >> but afterwards everyone was applauding nigel. i mean, nigel blair without the flesh. what a line it was fantastic. and i have to say, everyone not just because nigel is a pal of mine. but everyone was agreeing with everything he said he was. he. i think he was outstanding . he was think he was outstanding. he was fluent, he was factual. he spoke from the heart. and most of all, he didn't have an autocue. >> well , pablo, who was he didn't have an autocue. >> well, pablo, who was on earlier, who was who worked with the liberal democrats , said that the liberal democrats, said that he felt nigel was a bit flatter, actually, and that he was expecting a sort of moment and there wasn't one. yeah, there was no. >> i think the thing about it is there was no standout moments, really. >> i think you're right about

penny mordaunt. >> i'm glad you said it first. >> i'm glad you said it first. >> i'm glad you said it first. >> i don't feel i qualified. >> i don't feel i qualified. >> twitter page certainly got a lot of memes going around doing doing the rounds this morning. >> i mean, i think it was effectively a sort of a score draw. i thought daisy cooper for the lib dems was a little bit subdued. >> she didn't. i'm not quite sure why david didn't go because he had a big week, with the very moving party election broadcast they did about his son. and, you know, the other difficulties he's faced is losing his both his parents at a young age. and so i think they should have put ed davey up just because it was kind of he had a bit of a mojo week. >> i thought angela, she, you know, angela is angela, but she was i thought a little subdued despite the i thought she was very muted. >> i think she was overwhelmed by the occasion. >> i think she'd been told to, not you know, to keep this. >> keep the ming vase. you know, this vase. and she. i mean, i spoke to one of the labour spin doctors last night and i said, you know, because i watched on catch up and, so he he said this before he'd seen, he said, oh, yes, angela did everything we wanted. so there we go. >> which was, you know, just, just just to be clear, to condemn the, the lies on tax and not to have any sort of, you know, going off piste moments.

>> but i think you're right, nigel, also because he was trying to be quite restrained, didn't you know there were no explosions on any. i think that was a good thing for nigel. >> he sat back and let penny and rayner just go at it. and it was. it was embarrassing. >> i mean, i mean, i don't agree with claire from the greens on much, but claire. >> but i do agree with her that it wasn't particularly dignified. >> it was like something from the muppet show, hinge and bracket. they were like that pointing. >> and that's you and me. i could look at penny's hair. >> getting seemed to get bigger and bigger, like kenny everett's hands. you remember they used to get really big. i was looking, what's going on with her hair? >> well, i'm no fan of the snp, but i thought the one with no hair, stephen flynn. the only one you didn't have to spend very long in hair if he had spend longer in makeup. i thought stephen flynn did quite well because he got his point across. >> he's a good debater and i think he's very much definitely a future leader of the snp. it's not going be a great election. he's their leader in westminster, but i think he'll be their leader in holyrood in years to come. so i think he, you know, he, he had he had a reasonable night, but you know, they've got to stop shouting over each other. well they

interestingly have you seen the minutes michelle hussein did a reasonable job in terms of the minutes because it was roughly within a minute of each other. they all got the same, which is i felt that it was dominated by penny mordaunt and she had two minutes more. yeah. and then but the others were all about about ii. 11. >> i'm sorry. 11.— >> i'm sorry. i 11. >> i'm sorry. i think seven is too much because no one gets a chance to put their policies forward and get their view. tony blair brought this in, by the way, to have seven. did you know that? and he never stood there himself, and that's the truth of it. and i think actually what was interesting from this was penny actually saying twice how, totally wrong rishi was with leaving d—day. >> that was really the only standout moment, wasn't it? >> and i could see that she was. >> and i could see that she was. >> he's already said that he was wrong. he's acknowledged that it wasn't the right thing to do. i just think that i would actually rather that they moved on from that and started talking about their policies and what they're going to deliver. i know their manifestos are coming out this week, but i want to hear more about what they're going to do for us. i did feel that that was a very internalised discussion, although i wasn't happy with it. i think it says it all. i think i think it says it all. i think i think it says it all. i think i think he i don't think you all

need to be raised in the in the next debate, but i think it is a very important issue. >> and i think for penny, who's, you know, come from a military background and represents a constituency with lots of military personnel that was clearly a huge issue, which was, you know, would have been really on her mind. and as you say, she wants to get she wants she wants to be the leader of portsmouth. >> and it's very important that she says this very openly because she needs to win this. she wants to be the next leader. most obviously she does a lot of people that i know from portsmouth. my, my ex husband used to play for portsmouth football club. they said they were going to vote up the pompey, they were going to vote labour and now they're going to for vote penny. so it has made a difference. >> you're saying, do you think the seven do you think the debate has had any impact? >> i don't think it's i don't think it's made a major difference. >> we've had one of our reporters as well who was out there talking to people, and a lot of them had switched. a few of them had switched their votes. >> yeah, i think i think the seven way one is quite hard to switch people's votes because it's not the between the people who are going to be prime minister. i mean, i was their head of broadcasting for labour in the 2015 election when

cameron wouldn't do a head to head. so we ended up doing endless seven seven way ones. and they're a complete nightmare because, you know, you can't all pile on to the to the chap who i used to work with and plaid cymru, i'm sorry, because otherwise you just look mean. so it's a bit artificial, isn't it, for me, i wanted to see angela penny and nigel farage, and i was interested in the liberal democrats because they are, you know, they are usually we consider them. >> i wanted a party. >> i wanted a party. >> i wanted to see david there. yeah.i >> i wanted to see david there. yeah. i to be honest, but i no, yeah. ito be honest, but i no, i mean i actually think the just to see him with his son really got to me. and i'm so glad we saw the human side of that. >> i have to be honest. but i think this has made a difference, though, because i do not think that she did quite well. whether you agree with her. >> no, no, absolutely. i think agree with. no, no, i think i think that all of the, the smaller party leaders did did. well. i think, you know, clearly she's an engaging personality, obviously most people have associated in the greens in the past with caroline lucas. now they've got new joint leadership. i thought she put up a good performance. and i think she managed to hold you know, hold her own while the others squabbled. and that's basically what all the experts tell you if you can, if you're not one of the two people, you know, hammer

and tongs at each other, just try and be calm and cool. >> good lines. like when she said, oh, that was dignified after the squabbling. and i thought she was quite quick witted, but she tended to look like there was something on her shoe all the time. looking down. she wasn't fluent, but as you. >> i mean, it's her first time in nigel farage is a pro at this, and that's where he said himself. >> look, i don't need an autocue like everyone else, which i think was an important thing to say, actually. >> what did what did you think about? i mean, for me, the standout moment would have been the conversation about the nhs, where they were asked all of them about it and the only person that suggested actually reforming it and changing it was nigel farage, where they were all talking about chucking money at it, which i thought that resonated with a lot of people because you can throw keep throwing money at things, but if it's not well managed, then that'll continue. but but i was surprised that angela rayner didn't pick up on that as well, because wes streeting has said that he would also reform. yeah, i think she seemed a bit. >> she was. i mean, i think you're right. she was quite subdued all the way through, and i think she was very, very anxious not to put a foot wrong. obviously. it was her first big appearance back on the national stage after her little local

difficulties, which have now all been cleared up. >> and so i thought she was a bit cautious on that. >> i think the interesting thing about nigel talking about what he wants to do with the nhs is, you know, you can argue that's a good policy because, you know, you can. but on the other hand, it's an easy policy to attack, saying it will be the end of the nhs as we know it, whether that's rightly or wrongly. so it's quite interesting to see reform actually talk about their policies in more detail outside of immigration, and that might be picked up more in the camp later in the campaign as they go up in the polls, listen to more. >> but because there were seven, as i've said, it would like to go to scotland and wales, but i think nigel, everyone i talked to think the nhs is a shambolic mess and what nigel was saying was true, and what i didn't like in the audience was the shots to the audience, all of them like, oh, disgruntled when nigel spoke, i think that audience seemed a very left wing audience and full of snp's, well, some people, but it was completely independently picked by, the polling company. >> i think it was savanta who got the, the company. it was totally independent people from all over. >> i mean, i've been on the other side and produce these and it's a nightmare because you give it to the polling company. and the truth of the matter is, you know, you have to find to find, you know, a percentage of plaid cymru supporters in london, obviously, a welsh party

and the welsh speaking heartland is not easy. so you might be that they but they said a cross section from all over the country. >> yes. so do they all live in london? >> well normally they don't. >> well normally they don't. >> they, they bring people, they bnng >> they, they bring people, they bring people in if they can. >> but it was it wasn't a particularly huge audience because they did it in the radio theatre. yeah, at broadcasting house rather than in the big studio at tv centre. >> i've got to say, the nigel factor with him coming on board. he was, you know, reform were nibbling on the heels of the tories. now they're level pegging- >> i mean what a week. i mean, you know, i wonder why he wasn't the leader this time last week. >> was it be interesting to see the impact the debates have on all of the main parties and in particular the liberal democrats? >> because i'll be quite interested to see because i thought, daisy also did quite well. i think she did okay, didn't she? >> yeah, i thought she did fine. i just don't i just, >> yeah, i thought she did fine. ijust don't i just, i was just i just don't i just, i was just surprised not to see daisy. i think the liberal democrats have had a good week, and i think they can build on that this week, particularly if the tories get embroiled in a battle with nigel people, potential tory voters in those seats they're targeting who don't particularly like nigel might feel, you know, that the tories are going to right wing for them. >> so just a quick mention of the rishi and keir starmer. i thought i don't believe i think balderdash to him saying about the nhs matthew with him saying

and yeah, it's not the answer i would have given. and for him to say that about the nhs, that he wouldn't, he wouldn't use private medics . yes, exactly. private medics. yes, exactly. >> he wouldn't use the he's not the answer i would have give him. >> well it was the wrong answer because i would have said him i want an nhs. >> we don't have to go private. that's what he should have said. >> perhaps that's what he should have said. yeah. hindsight is a great thing. absolutely. he's usually quite good with that though. right? here are a full list of those who have been declared their candidacy in portsmouth north. in that constituency. you've got simon dodd. he's a liberal democrat. amanda martin, labour party penny mordaunt , conservative penny mordaunt, conservative party, duncan stewart, robinson green party and mel todd from reform uk . right, it's time for reform uk. right, it's time for the great british giveaway now and your chance to make this summer really special. with over £16,000 worth of prizes to be won, that's 15,000 in cash and a whole load of treats and you have to be in it to win it though. so here are all the details that you need. >> we're making this summer funner with three incredible pnzes funner with three incredible prizes to be won. first, a fantastic £15,000 in tax free

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good afternoon. 24 minutes after 4:00, this is gb news. we are britain's election channel. i'm nana akua, and it's time now for the great british debate this houn the great british debate this hour. and i'm asking, who do you think won last night's tv debate? seven representatives from britain's major parties took to the stage last night in a heated clash , which included a heated clash, which included penny mordaunt for the conservatives and angela rayner for labour and nigel farage for reform uk. amongst others. the

prime minister was roundly criticised from for his early exit of d—day comrades commemorations early on thursday, with penny mordaunt herself describing it as completely wrong. nigel farage used his platform to represent reform uk and as a credible opposition to the incoming labour government and argued that britain is living through a population crisis due to immigration. other parties, such as the snp and the greens, gained applause from the audience by taking shots at the two party system as a whole, putting labour and the tories under the microscope. so for the great british debate this hour, i'm asking who do you think won last night's tv debates? i'm joined now by norman baker, former liberal democrat minister fraser brooks, conservative councillor, norman baker. who do you think won last night ? you think won last night? >> well, you won't be surprised, perhaps if i say daisy cooper because we had the unedifying example of, penny mordaunt and angela rayner screaming at each other and talking over each other and talking over each other and talking over each other and shouting all the time, and i think daisy actually answered the questions,

straight, professional and gave proper answers and detail to the questions that were put to her. nigel was, of course, very competent, but if you dug under what he said, there was a lot of cliches there, but not much detail. i think this is the only person who was both professional and detailed . and detailed. >> but who would you say came in second then? because okay, obviously you'll pick your, youn obviously you'll pick your, your, your team, but, who would your, your team, but, who would you have put second in that? >> well, i mean, to be fair, i wouldn't always pick my team. if i give you a straight answer that daisy hadn't done well, i would have said so. i actually think stephen flynn did rather well, the snp guy, because he came out and made a brave statement, which was at brexit, has been a complete disaster. and that was a very risky thing to say. but he actually i happened to agree with it. but, to say it was was a straight answer to a difficult question. so i think he gets marks from me for honesty. >> all right, all right, fraser brooks, what do you think , so brooks, what do you think, so i think it depends how we define the parameters of winning. >> so obviously, nigel farage dominated the debate , and we see

dominated the debate, and we see in the instant polls that came out that he was deemed to have won overall. but i think penny mordaunt can be extremely proud. she was given an almost impossibly difficult hand to play impossibly difficult hand to play and she played it very well. she can i think she achieved everything that she sort of would have set out to achieve. she was on that national stage. she mentioned lots of portsmouth and, her constituents, and obviously she's got a tight fight there that would have helped. i think there's another poll that's come out and that said that two thirds of conservatives would actually quite like her to see her as her leader. and i think she also she focused very much on angela rayner. and although it's nice to have, you know, the seven turn up, it is a reminder that there are only two main parties that are going to win this . and i think she played the this. and i think she played the contrast quite well of would you rather want labour? or actually, would you rather continue with the conservatives? >> well, now, you mentioned that though the highlighting of the two party system that , you know, two party system that, you know, literally that we have in place,

|, literally that we have in place, i, i, you know, a lot of people watch that and probably thought it doesn't work . it doesn't feel it doesn't work. it doesn't feel like it works. i mean, you've got two main parties that were scrabbling there was scrapping over this that and the other. you knew it was going to be either one of those because of the system. yet a lot of the others, including the liberal democrats and the greens, even the greens, came out with some very sensible comments, which will be totally swamped by the major parties. i mean, no one. do you think that we need to actually start looking at our electoral system and maybe looking at a different way of doing it? >> well, we do, and actually the most stable government in the last 20 years has been the coalition between the lib dems, the conservatives when parties work together in the national interest, don't work very well . interest, don't work very well. it's been a catastrophe since the coalition ended. but yet the voting system is not right. but just a couple of points. first of all, people elect their own mp. they don't elect a prime minister when they go to the polls. you elect it's not a presidential system. they elect a local mp , that's one point. a local mp, that's one point. and therefore the characters you have on your own constituency are important. secondly, i think

this time round, if you look at the opinion polls and you think there are anywhere near accurate, about 35, 40% of people in the country will not vote labour and tory. they will vote labour and tory. they will vote snp or plaid cymru or lib dem or green or reform . and it's dem or green or reform. and it's not right to try and squeeze all these parties out and pretend there's a two party system. it may have been in 1955. it isn't now . now. >> yeah. fraser, do you think there's an argument to change this party system that we have? just looking at that, because i watched it and i just thought i would like to. yeah. go on. >> yes. i can see the argument that people make obviously it's a ukip in 2015 i think came third in the votes and got one seat. we're seeing now reform our third nationally. and it looks like they might maybe, perhaps get one seat again. however, i think first past the post has served this country very well . overall. i think when very well. overall. i think when you look at some of our colleagues in europe, i think the netherlands, they had the election in the end of 2023. they've only just got the government now . a lot of times government now. a lot of times it's these sort of rainbow coalitions where you have 4 or 5

different parties put together, all with their say, and as soon as one of them gets a bit unhappy and pulls out, the whole thing crumbles. and so i don't think that's how you want a government to run. you want a government to run. you want a government that you know, hopefully can survive five years. >> yeah. i mean, i you saw the coalition that we had before with the lib dems, people could argue that that was relatively successful. also you've got opinions, different opinions, rather than just one party dominating. and it if the polls are to be believed . well, we're are to be believed. well, we're looking at a sort of landslide with the labour party . if that with the labour party. if that is the case. some people might argue that's quite undemocratic. norman >> it's very undemocratic. look, i mean, the polls, if they're anywhere inaccurate , will give anywhere inaccurate, will give labour about 150 to 500 seats. but they will not get a majority of the vote. they will get less than 50% of the votes cast. that cannot be a sensible outcome to the voting that we have coming forward to us. we have to have a plurality of voices in government. and actually the two

major parties are now becoming very intolerant of people within their own ranks. look at how diane abbott was treated by the labour party. anyone who goes at all off message is basically excluded. so we're getting narrower and narrower opinions from the two major parties and huge votes being built up on a minority vote. that's not a good system, although some people might argue that her opinion is quite narrow. >> i mean, some people might look at that and, and, you know, so i don't know about the treatment with regard to diana, but i don't really think that, a lot of the parties treat their members that well, but some of their members don't behave well enhen their members don't behave well either. it's difficult to work out what to do in these circumstances. and i suppose keir starmer would argue that he's trying to appease a certain part of his party, and in the end, diane abbott is she's she's still representing her seat if she wants to. so in the end she's doing that, you know. >> yes, she is, but i mean, let's be quite clear, what's happened with the labour party is keir starmer is finding excuses to get rid of people on the left and paying no attention to abuses on the right. i mean,

lloyd russell—moyle in brighton was excluded at the last minute based on something he said in 2016, more than two general elections ago. so, you know, the labour party accepted view as becoming narrower and narrower. and that will be the view after the election . if labour get a the election. if labour get a majority, that's not good for this country. >> well , i this country. >> well, i don't this country. >> well , i don't know this country. >> well, i don't know though. i mean they accepted. natalie elphicke didn't they. they had her. you know, i think generally the party's you know, the electorate will decide whether they're happy with what these parties are doing. and but unfortunately, the point that we're making here is the two party system doesn't give you much room to choose anything else. and that could be an issue. and looking at the seven way debate, that was something that a lot of people highlighted . looking at it. listen, thank you very much. fraser brooks, conservative councillor. and also former liberal democrat minister norman baker. really good to talk to you. well, what do you think? we went off on a tangent there. gbnews.com/yoursay say this is gb news. well, britain's election channel coming up. we'll continue with the great british debate this hour. i'm asking who do you think won last night's tv debate? the thoughts of my panel matthew laza and

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good afternoon. if you're just tuned in. where have you been? it's 39 minutes after 4:00. this is gp news. where? britain's election channel. i'm nana akua andifs election channel. i'm nana akua and it's time for the great british debate this hour. and i'm asking, who do you think won last night's tv debate? there were seven representatives from britain's major parties. they took to the stage last night. it was quite a heated clash. we had penny mordaunt , of course, penny mordaunt, of course, conservatives angela rayner and nigel farage, who else did we have there, yeah, lots of them. basically seven of them, we will talk you through. but the prime minister was roundly criticised for his early exit, his d—day as he left d—day early. as we know, there was a lot of talk about that. there was a lot of talk about that . and nigel used his that. and nigel used his platform to present reform uk as the credible opposition to an

incoming labour government. and he argued that britain is living through a population crisis due to immigration. other parties the snp, the greens, plaid cymru they all gained applause from they all gained applause from the audience by taking shots at the audience by taking shots at the two party system as a whole and labour and the tories under under the microscope in particular. you saw the clashes between the two main parties. so for the great british debate this hour, i'm asking you, do you think won? well, joining me now, my panel, author and broadcaster lizzie cundy, was a former labour party adviser. matthew laza lizzie cundy. >> yes . well i think, nigel >> yes. well i think, nigel farage factor it just you just saw him in his element and i don't think he had to be shouting and doing all what you thought nigel would do. he did one liners, spoken facts , and i one liners, spoken facts, and i thought he was brilliant . i thought he was brilliant. i think he's very, very pleased. i spoke to him briefly afterwards and he was really pleased with how it's gone and the reform office has gone wild since. and as i said , they were just behind as i said, they were just behind the tories and now they're neck and neck and i'm afraid i think

the tories are going to be very soon. well behind them. >> interesting. matthew laza. >> interesting. matthew laza. >> so i think angela won by being herself and never. >> you don't really think that. why did you say that? it was a good performance. she was. >> because i think everybody expects andrew. well you know angela, she's not always out there. you know, she's got i think sometimes she's caricatured as being sort of always, you know , always kind of always, you know, always kind of saying things she shouldn't. and obviously that's just a small part of her. i thought it was a good performance. i thought it was robust on policy, but i think that, you know, i think frankly, they all did reasonably well. >> yeah. but i don't think angela landed a punch. i mean, it was like tyson fury vie anthony joshua, but it was it really was like the muppet show. and i have to say, i don't think angela was on form. i think she was overwhelmed and she didn't land any punches back. it was like this whiny voice and like she her face seemed to get as red as red as her dress. and i just, i think we've got to remember that penny had every right to tackle her on the

nuclear deterrent. as as don't forget , angela is going to be forget, angela is going to be a forget, angela is going to be a big force, is a big force in the labour party. and, you know, she she has the jeremy corbyn right ideology. you know, angela supported diane abbott. we have to remember that diane abbott was a person not as a what about daisy cooper from the liberal democrats. >> she you know she made some reasonable observations , reasonable observations, especially with the two party system. you know, the system we have at the moment. >> yeah. and i think the liberal democrats have actually been coming up with some reasonably some good policies. one of the things that they talked about this week, which is about care and about water, which and care, and about water, which and care, and then today they've been talking about a new national park, which the tories promised in the 2019 manifesto and just forgot about. and what they're doing is ruthlessly appealing to the voters that they're targeting, which tend to be slightly better off in a sort of sort of, wave of the south of the country from the sort of prosperous bits of the south—west through to the southwest london. and, and they're talking about things that people matter, like, you know, why do people worry about selling their house to look after their older parents? so they've actually come up with

some detail. so i think from the big two, we know once the manifestos are out, we need to have some more meat on the bones for both of the parties. >> what about the snp? because, it's often when i hear the snp speak, sometimes i, you know, they don't seem to like the you know, sometimes i get the impression they don't like the engush impression they don't like the english much and you do get that impression. >> well, he said he won't support england in even, he's not even going to put england in the euros. >> and i just think, why even say that? because that just gets my back up straight away, yeah. it's just but he got a lot of applause through the debate. and he's a very good speaker. >> he's a good speaker, and he's but i think they were right to put him up and not put swinney up because, you know, because stephen flynn, who was their spokesperson, he's their leader in westminster. he's kind of distanced in a sense from the from the snp government in holyrood because he's not a minister there. he's not directly responsible for that. obviously, it's the same party. so i thought, i thought he did a good show. >> what about wales though? you know, good old rhiannon. >> there we go. >> there we go. >> i was gonna say his name. >> i was gonna say his name. >> i was gonna say his name. >> i thought i'd say i used to work with him at the bbc names today. i used to, and so we were all taught how to say the bbc, i

mean, he is, i mean, because he's a, he's a television person , he used to be television presenter and then a radio presenter and then a radio presenter in wales , both in presenter in wales, both in engush presenter in wales, both in english and in welsh, you know, he knows what he's doing. he knows , you know, he's not, he's knows, you know, he's not, he's not going to put a foot wrong. so i thought it was solid. i don't think any stand out moments from him. and i thought, claire daniel from the greens did, did did did did well because of course, they have this joint leadership structure. yeah, you know, a man and a woman. but now that , but the net woman. but now that, but the net zero policy is a joke and it's not going to work. >> and this is what i'm worried about. >> i think the other should have been a bit tougher on the greens, because there are quite a lot of things that when people think the greens are nice and cuddly, remember there were about! cuddly, remember there were about i just say, angela, they don't get they're down to missed out on a lot of opportunities. >> so many, many to the sort of candidates that the greens have gone over to the greens either, which are surprised that nobody sort of brought that up because there have been some candidates who've gone there who have questionable. >> well, it's actually a plaid cymru one just gone in the last couple of hours. who'd been liking some very from a group that michael gove mentioned in the, in the commons as, as not, you know, saying someone so favourable.

>> but there were a lot of digs and i think nigel came back from it very quick when they said that day that he was doing pr stunts , you know, and all of stunts, you know, and all of that, and he actually said he was raising money. >> that's why he was there. interesting. yeah. that was, that was that was a good one. there wasn't it. well, listen, let's welcome our great british voices, their opportunity to be on the show because this show is nothing without them. where should we go to? let's head to leigh harris to have a chat with leigh harris to have a chat with leigh harris. leigh, what were your thoughts on that debate ? your thoughts on that debate? >> there are only three sort of main players at the debate. i was interested in listening to, and that was obviously nigel farage, penny morton and angela rayner and i think, nigel farage completely dominated the whole debate. he looked like the most comfortable. he was the most confident, articulate, characteristically cheeky , and characteristically cheeky, and he was all over the major talking points. there's absolutely no doubt that out of everyone on that stage, nigel is the most polished performer. and even though, in my view, the audience seemed openly hostile towards nigel farage, it didn't affect him in the slightest. he knows what he says resonates with people watching at home,

and he was talking directly to them and he did that brilliantly. i think penny morden did quite well, considering the horrific hospital pass she was handed by sunak, who, as we all know disgracefully left the d—day commemorations early. but she did the right thing and said what happened was wrong. i thought she was authentic and she robustly held angela rayner to account, but she was massively overshadowed by nigel farage. i have to disagree with matthew. i know that happens quite often in my opinion. angela rayner was genuinely terrible . she looked way out of terrible. she looked way out of her depth. she can't think on her depth. she can't think on her feet . she repeated scripted her feet. she repeated scripted attack lines that at points genuinely had absolutely no beanng genuinely had absolutely no bearing on the conversation. and i certainly don't think that performance did anything to convince more people to vote. labour but just to finish on this, i think nigel farage was easily the biggest beneficiary of that debate. nigel farmer and reform , it was great exposure reform, it was great exposure and he was able to put put the boot into the tories very effectively. and he was, as lizzie says, he was in his element. i think, sadly, a matter of time now before reform

, take over the conservatives in the polls. >> well, that's what you think. some people might argue that the two party system won't allow that. let's thank you very much. leigh harris. really good to talk to you, that is leigh harris. he's my great british voice. still to come, my difficult conversation. andrew pierce will be here live to tell us about his journey to find his own biological mother next. oh, and 11 will be here to give us the latest from behind the palace walls in royal

good afternoon. this is gb news. we are britain's election channel. i'm nana akua , and channel. i'm nana akua, and there's something always, always something going on in the royal household. and this week has been no different. and every saturday, i like to give you a rundown and who better to do so than royal biographer angela levin? angela hello. hello. >> well, the first thing we've got is obviously d—day, which was so moving that i think everybody was crying. >> you see these wonderful old people who gave their lives and they were crying to remember it

all. you see tears in the king's eyes. so camilla the queen, crying and i think, gosh, you know, actually, britain's mabellae opening up and we're more we're not sort of stiff upper lip all the time anymore. i thought it was interesting. i've noticed the queen always wears gloves now and i think that's to, you know, shake hands . you don't get so many germs. but she doesn't mind crying in public, she just feels that if that's what she feels like, that's what she feels like, that's it. so i think it was incredibly overwhelming and moving. and i think that william was so dignified. >> it's amazing. >> it's amazing. >> and he was the young king. and i thought he was brilliant . and i thought he was brilliant. he must have been heartbroken that he couldn't have his wife with him. and he said to one of the people, ex army, that she was doing well. and today we heard that catherine had written to the irish guards , saying, to the irish guards, saying, because they're doing trooping the colour next saturday. and i

said, i hope i'm able to represent you very soon. and that's very moving. so all these things are extremely .moving and very i think it's britain as it's best, really, when we care about what we're doing, one of the people who knocks us on the head now and then is, is harry, head now and then is, is harry, he got the green light to appeal to the appeal. it's a third one, and he wants to make sure that the government gives him , the government gives him, protection all the time, automatically . he. one of the automatically. he. one of the reasons is that he's going away with meghan for a tour. world tour? which made my heart sort of pump because this is going to be another copy of what the royal family is like. and he wants to be covered. well, it's not on our tax hinckley so we, the british public, would pay for this. >> yes , yes, it's a joke, isn't it? >> and he also said he wanted it all done by the end of the

month, june. and the judge said he doesn't deserve that. he is not in that vip category. so he was sort of put in his place. but i don't think he can believe that. but i don't think he can believe that . and the other thing is the that. and the other thing is the wonderful wedding yesterday. and one of the things i loved was a wedding dress. but also i loved the blue velvet shoes. and i thought that olivia, the bride, she was really going to the wedding . things as something wedding. things as something old, something new, borrowed and blue. the old and the borrowed was from her great grandmother. in 18 something. wow. and that was put around the her arm and also the neck, and i thought, good for you . and she had the good for you. and she had the blue shoes, amazing blue shoes , blue shoes, amazing blue shoes, which made me think that she's really quite a girl. you know, because very few people wear anything other than white for their wedding. and i thought that was lovely. and william again was wonderful. yeah, he was absolutely wonderful. he was ushering everyone around, which

seems funny for an heir to the throne . and actually, we'd jump throne. and actually, we'd jump in the boat, the bus that was taking them to the celebration. and i thought, that's amazing, too accessible, really accessible . accessible. >> well, angela levin, as ever, succinct as ever. thank you so much for joining succinct as ever. thank you so much forjoining me. really good to hear all of that. so that's my royal roundup. that was a brilliant angela levin. stay tuned. loads more here on gb news. do not go anywhere . news. do not go anywhere. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on . gb news. >> hello! here's your latest weather update from the met office for gb news. we hold on to mixed weather conditions across the uk over the next few days. some sunshine, some showers and chilly temperatures too for the time of year. low pressure is sitting towards the north—east of the uk, high pressure out towards the west. that's generating that northerly flow with weather fronts embedded in the flow enhancing

showers at times. so looking at the detail for this evening and through the overnight period, we'll hold on to showers towards the north and north—west of the uk, merging later to give some longer spells of rain, particularly across parts of northern ireland and the south—west of scotland. by sunday morning. quite blustery here too, but with the cloud rain , the wind here temperatures rain, the wind here temperatures do hold up, whereas further south it's becoming clear. and although temperatures in towns and cities holding up near double figures , it will turn double figures, it will turn quite chilly in rural spots. could see a touch of grass frost, in fact, by sunday morning, with temperatures in rural spots here locally down into low single figures. so we're heading into sunday morning. we do get off to a sunny start across the bulk of the southern part of the uk. much of southern england, wales and midlands, seeing lots of sunshine, but it will be quite chilly, those temperatures gradually climbing through the morning. then we run into an area of cloud and some showery outbreaks of rain across northern ireland. northwest england and the southwest of scotland, with sunshine and showers further north—east across the north—east of scotland, coupled with quite a gusty north to north westerly winds during the remainder of sunday, cloud will gradually start to push its way south across the uk. so after a sunny

start in the south, we'll see more in the way of cloud developing here as we head into the afternoon. those showery outbreaks of rain across northern ireland, southwest scotland edging into northern england and parts of wales as we head into the afternoon on sunday and we hold on to sunshine and showers further north and northeast towards the northeast of scotland, and here to quite chilly with that gusty northwesterly wind. temperatures are best up to 20 celsius towards the south—east of the uk . heading into sunday evening, those showery bursts of rain continue south eastwards into other parts of england and wales. i think the far south of the uk should stay fine, and we hold on to clearer skies and showers towards the far north of the uk too. as for the start of next week, well, a case of sunshine and showers once again and temperatures still disappointing for the time of year. yeah >> looks like things are heating up boxt boilers sponsors of weather on

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snatcher sony stringer snatches a mobile on blackfriars bridge . a mobile on blackfriars bridge. but what happens next? that's the question. we will soon find out. but first, let's get your latest news with tatiana sanchez. >> gnaana. thank you. the top stories. an israeli special forces officer has been killed dunng forces officer has been killed during an operation in gaza in which four hostages were rescued noah argaman, almog mejan, andre kozlov and shlomi ziv were recovered by the idf . all four recovered by the idf. all four were kidnapped by the hamas terror group from the nova music festival on the 7th of october. if you're watching on television, this is the moment one of the hostages, noah, was reunited with her family and received a phone call from the country's president, who welcomed her home. the four had been held in two houses in a residential neighbourhood of al—nusra in the central gaza

strip . israel's prime minister strip. israel's prime minister benjamin netanyahu says his country won't give in to terrorism and remains committed to bringing all of the hostages home. meanwhile, thousands of people have gathered along whitehall in london for a protest in support of palestine, calling for an immediate ceasefire in gaza. those who marched from russell square to parliament included children , parliament included children, parents, elderly and the disabled. marching outside downing street, protesters waved flags and placards and chanted slogans including in our millions, we are all palestinians. various speakers, including the palestinian ambassador to the uk, gave speeches from a stage outside side of parliament. in other news, penny morden clashed with angela rayner over issues including nhs waiting lists and the economy . in a televised the economy. in a televised debate last night. both were reprimanded for speaking over one another, whilst miss rayner received applause after claiming former prime minister liz truss

had crashed the economy . had crashed the economy. >> vie keir starmer confirmed this earlier this week. they are going to put up your taxes by £2,000, a lie by £2,000 per working anymore. >> you're using you're using a figure that's been criticised by the uk statistics watchdog costings and labour's own. >> stand by your record and you'll record levels of taxes on working people. >> 26 separate tax hikes in the last parliament of . well, as we last parliament of. well, as we just heard, penny morden was criticised for repeating the claim that labour would increase taxes. sir keir starmer now says labour's manifesto is complete and insists there'll be no tax surprises. >> well, we finalised our manifesto yesterday, which was a great moment because at the end of the meeting it was acclaimed by everybody in the meeting and, you know, good manifestos are those that tell a story about the country and those that succeed. everything in our

manifesto won't be any surprises on tax. all of our plans are fully costed, fully funded, and none of them involving tax rises over and above those that we've already set out. >> the prime minister received a warm welcome on home soil this afternoon as he continued election campaigning. rishi sunak visited the gardens at auckland castle today, meeting with volunteers . he also spoke with volunteers. he also spoke to people at a village fete in great ayton , a north yorkshire great ayton, a north yorkshire village in his richmond constituency . mr sunak's constituency. mr sunak's campaigning visits come as he faced criticism for leaving a d—day commemorative event early , d—day commemorative event early, as part of london's ultra low emissions zone could be scrapped if the conservative party wins next month's election. senior tories say they table a backing drivers bill, which would reverse the london mayor's controversial ulez expansion and rule out any blanket 20 mile an hour zones. the party says the plan would protect drivers from

what they call the draconian policies of local labour politicians. later figures show that 95% of vehicles in the capital are compliant with clean air standards, up from 39% in 2017. now more than 2 million cats across england are unregistered , just days before unregistered, just days before a new law takes effect from monday, all cats will need to be microchipped before the age of 20 weeks. it's hoped the new recruitment requirement will cut down all on the number lost of lost pets and discourage thefts, but the cats protection charity says more than 2 million felines remain unchipped, and they're urging people to act quickly to protect their furry friends and veteran film star dick van dyke has made history as the oldest ever winner of a daytime emmy award. the 98 year old star of classics, including mary poppins, took home a trophy for

a guest appearance on the long running soap opera days of our lives. he joked that he'd been playing old people for his whole career and said winning the award tops a lifetime of 80 years in the business. for the latest stories, sign up to gb news alerts. by scanning the qr code on your screen or go to gb news. carmel's now back to . nana. >> thank you. tatiana. this is a gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua and for the next hour, me and my panel will be taking on some of the big topics hitting the headunes the big topics hitting the headlines right now. this show is all about opinion. it's mine, it's theirs. and of course it's yours . we'll be debating, yours. we'll be debating, discussing and at times we will disagree. but no one will be cancelled. well, joining me today is broadcast from columnist lizzie cundy and also former labour party adviser matthew laza. still to come, my difficult conversation at a day

is with gb news presenter andrew pierce now he'll be chatting to us about his latest memoir, finding margaret, based on his journey to find his birth mother .then journey to find his birth mother . then for the great british debate this hour, i'm asking are hmrc high tax spies the way forward now, as it's warned that hmrc is £80 million? supercomputer takes big brother surveillance to a completely new level. it uses artificial intelligence to highlight discrepancies to tax inspectors, who then investigate and take action. how do you feel about that? we'll be discussing that so for the great british debate, i'm asking our hmrc ai so for the great british debate, i'm asking our hmrc a! tax spies the way forward as ever. send me your thoughts. post your comments at gbnews.com/yoursay . comments at gbnews.com/yoursay. it's fast approaching eight minutes after 5:00 and it's now time for this week's difficult conversations . and i'm joined by conversations. and i'm joined by a very familiar face. now, he

normally spends his weekend having a well—deserved break after hosting britain's newsroom, but today he's joining me to talk about his new memoir, finding margaret, his highly rated book details the moving story of how he found his birth mother . i'm story of how he found his birth mother. i'm pleased to say, of course, i'm joined by the legend thatis course, i'm joined by the legend that is andrew pierce. >> hello, lovely to be back on your show. >> so. on my goodness. oh yeah. that was the first, the first time i got you on my i think the first time i ever worked on gb news was on your show. i couldn't believe it because i used to listen to you all the time on lbc. so to me, andrew pierce is a legend. so to have you on my show, i was like, oh my god, but you've been doing a lot on gb news now you have your own program with beverley turner, british newsroom . yeah, turner, british newsroom. yeah, but you've found time to write a memoir. >> i actually started writing it dunng >> i actually started writing it during lockdown and i it was almost just putting thoughts on almost just putting thoughts on a piece of paper, but then it just took over and the words literally cascaded out of me because i found my birth mother when i was around 49.

>> as i approached the big 50, i thought i don't do it now, i never will. >> and i'd agonise for years over whether i should try to find it, because i love my adopted mum, who adopted me. wonderful woman. >> she gave me a wonderful life with my dad , in swindon, i was with my dad, in swindon, i was adopted into a home with three kids. they were already. they never resented me. so i never, ever wanted to do anything that would upset my mum. so what i did, i found margaret and didn't tell mum what i was doing. yeah and it was an extraordinary story because i assumed when i began looking for her that she was probably 17, maybe 18 or 19 when she had me, because she had me in the early 1960s. in fact, she was 34. >> wow. >> wow. >> just a few weeks from her 35th birthday, an irish roman catholic nurse, she had me in bristol. she lived in birmingham . she'd gone to extraordinary lengths to cover her tracks and she. i was in the orphanage for the best part of three years, and she used to visit me regularly because she thought at some point she'd be able to give me a home.

>> but i'm not sure how that was ever plausible, because it's the early 1960s and single mothers were the devil incarnate. they really were social pariahs. >> so it was going to be very difficult for her so that this whole book then is explores all of that background, what it was like in the orphanage, bleak and imposing, i can tell you, run by catholic nuns . the orphanage was catholic nuns. the orphanage was in cheltenham in gloucestershire, which was where my first newspaper was. i then discovered that she lived in birmingham . my second newspaper birmingham. my second newspaper was in birmingham. i might possibly have passed my birth mother in street and not even known. extraordinary. so it was extraordinary coincidences and shocks and the whole process of writing. it was very cathartic. >> i can imagine, because i should imagine throughout your life you've probably wondered who she is. yeah. and who your father is as well. yeah. and i obviously i have read parts of your book as well. yeah. and i know that you never really find out who your father is. >> no. you get when you go to try to find when you decide to find your birth parent, you go

to your local social services and then they get a file from the adoption agency, which was the adoption agency, which was the nuns of nazareth house, and there was a name for a birth father in there, but i just my all my journalistic instincts crept in. i thought, i'm not sure i believe this story. and so i tracked down the family of the man who was supposedly my birth father, if he was my birth father, he was killed in a crash, was that convenient ? crash, was that convenient? >> did you. if he was your birth father, did you get to see what he looked like? >> i've seen photographs of him. >> i've seen photographs of him. >> does he look anything like. >> does he look anything like. >> i don't think he does. and other people say he's in the book. there's a photograph of him in the book, actually, and i don't think he does look like me . but others say, oh, yeah, i can see he's your he looks like your father, but i just don't think so. let's see what you think so. let's see what you think . oh, there he think so. let's see what you think. oh, there he is. think so. let's see what you think . oh, there he is. let's see. >> you've got his nose . i've got >> you've got his nose. i've got his nose. >> i've got quite a big nose .

>> i've got quite a big nose. >> i've got quite a big nose. >> i've got quite a big nose. >> i didn't want to say. my father's got a massive nose. my dad knows zigi. >> so he's there. he's. he was killed when he was about 35. 36. you think it's a bit like me? you think it's a bit like me? you think it's a bit like me? you think so? yeah. >> the light is on the screen for anybody. yeah. looking now. >> so that's allegedly my birth father , but no evidence. and the father, but no evidence. and the nunsin father, but no evidence. and the nuns in the file said we have no written evidence that this man is. is patrick's father . because is. is patrick's father. because i was patrick when i was born. i was baptised patrick james connolly, single mother, father's name unknown. >> it's fascinating, isn't it? so. so talk us through what you can do, because obviously we. i want people to read the full story. sure, sure, and i did read the inserts in the daily mail, which i thought were i mean, it just left you wanting more immediately, but then you are an incredible writer , are an incredible writer, andrew, what was the very first thing that you did? and then what was the journey to actually meeting it, to meeting your mother? what can you tell us? >> so , when i got the file, i

>> so, when i got the file, i got my great friend jane moore, who's on loose women and writes a column. and son she'd found done this before . she found. she done this before. she found. she found margaret, and she found margaret. it was a very difficult to find her because she'd made it very difficult. there were no middle names, no dates of birth, no addresses . dates of birth, no addresses. all the addresses that she'd given when i was in the orphanage were nursing accommodation because she was a nurse. but anyway, we found her. and then you have this extraordinary moment. you think, oh, my god, i found this woman. i'm going to go to her home because you take advice from social services. what's the best way to approach her? do you write her? don't do that because somebody might open her mail. if you call her up, she hangs up the phone. so send a friendly female face to the front door, which we did . amanda patel, which we did. amanda patel, who's often been on this this station, one of my closest friends. she knocks on the door. i'm in a taxi round the corner, out of sight of the house. nobodyin out of sight of the house. nobody in very frustrating because i'm so geared up for this. it's such an emotional moment . i just want to see her.

moment. i just want to see her. and then i'm looking at the back of the cab and i see a dot on the horizon approaching, and it's hundreds of yards away, this dot. and i can't even don't know if it's a man or a woman, but i absolutely knew it was my birthday feeling there. and i. i rang amanda and said, she's on her way. she's walking down. wow. she said, who is? i said, margaret, how do you know? i said, because i do. and as she walked, yeah . walked, yeah. >> odd that you have this. >> odd that you have this. >> it must be that link is still there. >> odd. it's still there. >> odd. it's still there. >> look, she carried me in her stomach for nine months. she visited me regularly till i was two years old. it must have been incredibly painful for her to give me up and just hand me oveh give me up and just hand me over. she never had any contact with my parents and as she walked past the car, i thought, i'm about to turn this woman's life upside down because she's had no contact with me for 45 years. she denied it was her. then we went, amanda went back. she said it was her and she would meet me. we met in british home stores cafe in birmingham city centre. not exactly what i'd planned, but that was what

she wanted. and we spent an hour together and she didn't ask a single question about my life. after the orphanage. >> that must have been so disappointing that she didn't want to know anything about you. >> couldn't work out why she didn't? was it because it was too difficult for her to accept that the little boy she gave away had a happy life or a terrible life? was it her way of deaung terrible life? was it her way of dealing with it? was it a diversion? what she did instead was talked about life with the man she married. it was nothing to do with me. never knew anything about me and the children she had who knew nothing about me. was she still married to him when she had? you know, i discovered during the dunng know, i discovered during the during my, research in the book that actually when margaret decided to give me up for adoption, she then wrote to the nuns to say she was going on a houday nuns to say she was going on a holiday and she'd be at a different address. in fact, she was going on a honeymoon. she'd met someone while i was in the orphanage. she decided that was a great chance of happiness. i'm glad she did . so she then glad she did. so she then married him. i imagine she walked down the aisle in her full white finery. and they say, does anyone know of any lawful impediment? she had a little boy

in an orphanage, just 50 miles away. but by giving me up, it meant betty and george pearce. i came , came into the i came into came, came into the i came into their life and they rather fell for this . apparently i was for this. apparently i was a tongue tied, awkward, stubborn child . child. >> not you. >> not you. >> some would say i'm still awkward and stubborn, but i don't think anybody would say i'm tongue tied. i've certainly made up for lost time. i was very shy as well, apparently because most of the children in the orphanage were babies, because people wanted babies. they didn't want awkward toddlers because they've already got their own characteristics. and well, you know , you're mum. >> i know you are. yeah. it just wasn't really cute. yeah. >> so and so they and my so my parents visited me regularly at weekends . it was a two hour bus weekends. it was a two hour bus ride for them and two hours back. but they set their heart on this little fella and, and then they'd been visiting me for about 5 or 6 months, and i'd gone to stay with them in their house in swindon, and there was an outbreak of something like german measles in the orphanage.

so i never went back . oh, which so i never went back. oh, which was lovely in a way, but but apparently it also meant, of course, you never got to say goodbye to anybody in the orphanage, and you probably wouldn't have remembered anything. >> no. the children or anybody. >> no. the children or anybody. >> no, no. and of course, then when i go to work on the gloucestershire echo in cheltenham, my first newspaper is in cheltenham, just the newspaper office was literally a few hundred yards from where the orphanage used to stand. it had been demolished just one year after my adoption. i suspect the rubble in the rubble and the ruins. it took some pretty terrible secrets , because this terrible secrets, because this order of nuns in has been the subject of some inquiries in ireland and in scotland and australia , where there's been australia, where there's been evidence of they bullied the children . oh, and i it's in the children. oh, and i it's in the book about i had my own therapy sessions and which took me back regressive therapy took me back to the orphanage and it triggered such unpleasant memories. >> do you feel that you remembered things ? remembered things? >> yeah, i did, i did, and the therapist took a note of what was said, but he stopped the

therapy. he stopped the regressive therapy because he said it was too distressing , said it was too distressing, because probably it wasn't. andrew speaking . it was probably andrew speaking. it was probably the little boy that was patrick once was speaking . and it's very once was speaking. and it's very clever, regressive therapy. i mean, i was hypnotised to give up smoking 20 or 23 years ago, and it worked . so, so the and it worked. so, so the hypnotic, hypnotic hypnotised you. you literally crystal and took me back. >> it's quite incredible. >> it's quite incredible. >> it's quite incredible. >> it is so how's the book doing? it's doing very well. and i've got to tell you my sparring partner on the daily mirror, kevin maguire, is going to talk to me, interview me about the book at the leicester square theatre on wednesday , june the theatre on wednesday, june the 12th, and then we're going to have our usual punch up, which is going to be refereed by our very own chris hope political editor here. we were on his podcast this week. the choppers podcast, and we had a good punch up.and podcast, and we had a good punch up. and chris said it was quite difficult trying to keep us in order because as you know, kevin and i have been at each other's throats for 25 years. so we're going to talk about the book,

but then we're going to talk about the general election and whether rishi is doing well or whether rishi is doing well or whether keir starmer is doing well. what did you make of the seven way debate? >> we all thought i thought too many. that's exactly what i thought. there's too much going on. too much? not enough. i know neither of them. i know no , no. neither of them. i know no, no. >> and all eyes were focused, of course, on rayner versus mordaunt. and i thought, obviously nigel farage always a great star, but too many people and i just don't think it works. i think it was better that we didn't have that rigid 45 second format, which we had on the itv debate , which i actually thought debate, which i actually thought rishi won decisively, not by 51 to 49, but i'm afraid he's undone all that work with his catastrophic decision to leave d—day so early. who are his advisors? >> why couldn't he see that? somebody had told me something like that. i would have thought, don't be silly. >> there's never going to be a d—day like that in our lifetime. it's the last one. it's so poignant. 80 years. those wonderful old men i met, some of them at a garden party at the

palace a couple of weeks ago. it's humbling to meet those men and those women who gave up so much and so modest. and you talk to them and they said they weren't brave. oh, they were, oh they were. >> oh they were. >> on they were, they were. that was that that kind of warfare, the terror , the sheer fear the terror, the sheer fear i wouldn't be there and, you know, walk wading into the sea. >> and there were young men already had drowned just because the weight of the of the equipment on them , they were extraordinary. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> it really why, i know they'd all left the veterans by the time rishi left. but he should have been there right to the very end. it was a terrible, terrible mistake. >> bad, bad decision . he's >> bad, bad decision. he's apologised for it, though, to be fair to him, a little bit too late, probably. >> i'm afraid. i'm afraid it will be when we write his political epitaph that will be very high up, because it was a grievous mistake. it's the sort of thing you might have thought . of thing you might have thought. god forgive me for saying that jeremy corbyn might have done something like that , not a something like that, not a conservative prime minister. >> well, i don't know. you had the rain, you had the titanic centres, you had dick. some

might think he doesn't want to do the job. >> some might think he's desperate to get out of there. look, and i suspect the polls will show reform getting ever closer. and we're heading for a change of government. 14 years and people. i just don't think people are listening to the tories at the moment. >> it'll be. well, that seven way debate. you can listen to any of them to be fair. no. so andrew, your book. yeah. >> fanny margaret published by, biteback publishing and i've got my own website now. it's called you've got to do all this now and you do brownite, but it's called ww dot. andrew pierce, official .com. and you can get your tickets for leicester square and all the details about the book, because online publishers take they just take forever. so that's the quickest way to get the book if you want to buy it. and i'm very proud of it actually. and it's the first time i've ever written a book. >> well done andrew. i can't believe it's taken you that to long write like the photo book. great. you look fabulous. you look so youthful. oh, bless you, andrew pierce. thank you very much. >> lovely to be back on your

show. would you have me on ' 7 m. again? >> absolutely. well, if you'll come on. but you've got your own show now. you're you're on always nice to come on and support you. 930 every morning. lovely to see you to friday. thank you very much, andrew pierce. that is the legendary andrew pierce. his book, finding margaret. it's out now, right. but it's time for the great british giveaway, your chance to make your summer really special. with over £6,000 worth of prizes to be won, that's £15,000 in cash and a host of traits you have to be in it to win it. so here's how it's our summer spectacular. >> three top prizes that have to be won. there's cash £15,000 in tax free cash to spend on anything you like this summer, plus a brand new iphone 15 with a set of apple airpods. and if that wasn't enough, we'll also treat you to some fun in the sun with £500 to spend at your favourite uk attraction this summer for another chance to win the iphone treats and £15,000 cash text win to 63232. text cost £2 plus one standard

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you're with me. i'm nana akua. this is a gb news on tv, online, and on digital radio. we are britain's election channel. i'm nana akua , and it's time for the nana akua, and it's time for the great british debate this hour. and i'm asking, are hmrc i tax fights the way forward now. it's warned that hmrc s £80 million supercomputer takes big brother surveillance to a completely new level. it uses ai intelligence or artificial intelligence to highlight discrepancies to tax inspectors, who then investigate and take action. great if they do it with big business. if you successfully, it could create billions of extra pounds for the taxman. so the great british debate this hour. i'm asking though, if this has turned on us, our hmrc i taxpayer is the way forward. well joining me now is the director of and co—founder at regionally, justin urquhart stewart, and also former adviser to the bank of england and hm. treasury,

doctor roger gewolb and also political commentator anna mcgovern. right. i'm going to start with you. let's go with you, justin . yeah. what do you you, justin. yeah. what do you think? are they the way forward? >> i think any large operation that size that's going to come out with a nice big new computer with al, and it's going to be flashy and new and be able to solve everything. you know, it's not going to work. >> it doesn't happen. like that. >> it doesn't happen. like that. >> they actually do it the wrong way around. we have a very, very complicated tax system. what you should be doing is to simplify the tax system and then have the system to actually apply to that, rather than necessarily trying to have a system now, which is going to cater for today's taxation, and it's constantly going to change and adjust much better to actually go down to actually reduce the tax system . you go to today's tax system. you go to today's tax system. you go to today's tax guide, which is a thing that accountants takes to bed every night. for some, some form of excitement has doubled. the number of pages over the past 20 years. and we're in fact, actually we should be trying to make life a lot simpler. so i'm quite right. the government should be trying to make sure they're getting the fair amount of tax out of everybody . but

of tax out of everybody. but equally, of course, my confidence in large tax, large computer system is working effectively run by anything which has gone into the government is close to zero. >> you see, i worry that it could be like the lie detector. if the lie detector says that you've lied, you've lied with this ai. if it decides that you have done it wrong or whatever, then you probably literally have no comeback. roger gewolb what's your thought on this ? your thought on this? >> i've had a lot of discussions recently on a lot of television shows about al , and a lot of shows about al, and a lot of people are under the misconception that it's reached the stage where it can actually think , and make decisions and is think, and make decisions and is almost sentient and has almost reached that point. >> that's called singularity, where it has the same, to put it, simply has the same mental capacities as humans do. my experience of ai, which i use quite a lot, is that it's nothing other than data

analysis. that's all it is, every time i ask, i have an excellent ai app and every time i ask it something, it fishes up wonderful data for me. but if i ask it to solve a problem, it's pretty bloody hopeless. so, i think justin is right. i think that there are several problems with hmrc. number one, the tax system is indeed, unnecessarily, ridiculously complicated . and ridiculously complicated. and number two, they have their own bureaucratic inefficiency , some bureaucratic inefficiency, some of which are just ridiculous. and to expect that a data analysis program is going to solve that, very much like the police saying they're going to start, not sending officers, but have i attend crimes? it's just a joke. and when rishi sold that, i said, he's so interested in artificial intelligence because he's got so little of the real stuff around him. >> interesting. very funny. right let's go to anna mcgovern. >> anna, i think this measure

has something incredibly dystopian about this . now, the dystopian about this. now, the government is using more a! to , government is using more a! to, i think, as well. this will hit ordinary taxpayers , small ordinary taxpayers, small business owners and freelancers. the hardest. i just think with all of these measures going forward, and especially we're coming up to a general election as well , coming up to a general election as well, what's going to be on the mind of the british public when they're making their vote is who is actually going to represent us? and i think one of the key issues is taxation for the key issues is taxation for the british of all the voters. and for labour, they've already pledged 555 million to recruit more tax inspectors. and now this in addition to that , i this in addition to that, i don't like i honestly think that there is something incredibly disturbing about this, and i think that actually we should be supporting british people more. you know, we've got bills that are like and taxation is already are like and taxation is already a 70 year high. and just the fact that we're, we're introducing a lot more a! into

our systems . now, i just think our systems. now, i just think there is something incredibly disturbing about this move. >> well, some people might argue, though, that it's so complex and actually, maybe i could simplify it in some way and make it slightly more accurate. i mean, this is probably what they're trying to do.rogeh probably what they're trying to do. roger, you're shaking your head. >> yeah, i is not going to simplify it because it can't think up new solutions. all it can do is move data around and give you some suggestions. this is going to be the especially run by these politicians and people in whom nobody has any confidence at the moment, and nobody wants to go bother voting. they just want this whole circus over as soon as possible. this is going to be the horizon post office system on steroids . on steroids. >> justin, you're nodding your head. yes. >> horizon was going through my mind as well. did you just sit there and say, they're going to say, well, that's what the computer says. look, had to spend. most people in this system have trouble spelling i if you think prosecuting a postmaster is one thing, imagine

if some hmrc enforcer comes after you based on what this stupid system said. >> well, do you know what, roger? i will tell the full story in a bit, but, the hmrc actually came to me asking me for money that they said i owed them, which i'd already paid them. actually which they'd added interest on. and then when i tried to explain that i've already paid it so there's no interest, it was paid on time. the woman argued with me for a while until eventually she went, oh, i see what you mean . now, oh, i see what you mean. now, i don't know who told her that, but possibly the i had missed a bit of information on that chain . and i think this is what people are afraid of. and the point that, you made actually, was that it's more likely to go for not the big businesses, justin. and i'm thinking, surely if they're going to do that, they should be chasing big businesses like amazon and people like that. >> oh, they're the ones who actually got the strength to try and avoid taxes as and when. actually, what you should be trying to do is make taxation positive by which you are actually giving people incentives to say, right , we can incentives to say, right, we can give you more help with things like capital gains. we can give

you help in terms of investment, things like enterprise investment schemes. so actually it becomes a positive to have as opposed to the general view is and unfortunately , this is what and unfortunately, this is what happensin and unfortunately, this is what happens in most cases with taxation. it's how much can we get out of people, and you're at the, you're at the weakest end if you're a smaller business. and bear in mind, the largest group of employers in this country are smaller businesses. we're very good at setting up smaller businesses. we're pretty bad at financing them. but it's the larger corporations, of course, have better, deeper pockets to be able to fight their way through it. if you're running a small business, you try and fight that one. it's very difficult. >> well, listen, i've got to say thank you to you guys because we're running out of time. director and co—founder of regionally, justin urquhart stewart, former advisor to the bank of england and hm. treasury, doctor roger gewolb also political commentator. anna mcgovern, thank you for your thoughts . what do you think? thoughts. what do you think? gbnews.com/yoursay still to come, we'll continue with the great british debate this hour. i'm asking our hmrc ai great british debate this hour. i'm asking our hmrc a! tax files the way forward. both parties are talking about it. you will hear the thoughts of my panel, broadcaster and journalist lizzie cundy, also former labour party adviser matthew laza. but first let's get your latest news

with tatiana sanchez . with tatiana sanchez. >> gnaana. thank you. the top stories. an israeli special forces officer has been killed dunng forces officer has been killed during an operation in gaza in which four hostages were rescued noah agamani almog, meir jahn, noah agamani almog, meirjahn, andre kozlov and shlomi ziv were rescued by the idf. the four had been held in two houses in a residential neighbourhood of al—nasirah in the central gaza strip, after having been kidnapped by hamas on october 7th. if you're watching on tv , 7th. if you're watching on tv, this is the moment one of the hostages, noah, was reunited with her family, and she also received a phone call from the country's president. well, israel's prime minister benjamin netanyahu turned up to the hospital to see the hostages and their families . he has said his their families. he has said his country won't give in to terrorism and remains committed to bringing all of the hostages home. britain's high streets

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back to. nana. >> thank you tatiana. coming up, clickbait . let's watch the clickbait. let's watch the moment. prolific phone snatcher sony stringer snatches a mobile phone on blackfriars bridge . the phone on blackfriars bridge. the question is what happens next? we'll find out soon. also, we'll continue with the great british debate this hour. and asking, is hmrc ai a! tax spying the way forward

crikey! it's been a busy one, hasn't it? if you just tuned in. where have you been? we've only got 19 minutes to go. this is gb news. we are britain's election channel. i'm nana akua. welcome. it's time now for the great british debate this hour. and i'm asking our hmrc ai british debate this hour. and i'm asking our hmrc a! tax spies the way forward. it's warn that hmrc is £80 million super computer tax big brother surveillance to a completely new level. it uses ai surveillance to a completely new level. it uses al or artificial intelligence to highlight

discrepancies to tax inspectors, who then investigate and take action. and if you successfully, it could create billions of extra pounds for the taxman. but i am hearing the words horizon . i am hearing the words horizon. so for the great british debate this hour, i'm asking, are hmrc ai this hour, i'm asking, are hmrc a! tax buys the way forward? i'll start with you matthew laza. >> so i think we need to be careful about the use of ai, and i think you're absolutely right to mention horizon, which is just one of a whole catalogue of it foul ups by government departments, frankly, of all parties over decade after decade.i parties over decade after decade. i do think, though, we in the first part of the debate, somebody was saying about 550 tax inspectors, well, that's a good thing. why? because at the moment, remember when the hmrc said they weren't going to answer the phone to ordinary taxpayers? i remember. so labour has committed that they will at least answer the phone. so the tax inspector sounds scary, but actually it means somebody to help you do your tax return. it's a good thing and obviously we need to make sure people pay pay we need to make sure people pay pay their fair share. but i think there is a level we all want. everybody to pay the tax that's due. but there's a level of intrusion. so i'm a little bit concerned. but i think they

need to use new technology but with safeguards. >> lizzie cundy i think this is a real slippery slope . the a real slippery slope. the taxman spying on you, you know, i mean , look, we've seen where i mean, look, we've seen where computers go wrong. look at the post office scandal. it frightens me. and you know already, the tax office employs 66,000 people across the uk . not 66,000 people across the uk. not to answer the phone, not to answer the phone. and if you've got a problem, no one does. it's eafieh got a problem, no one does. it's easier. it's easier getting hold of the pope . let's be honest. of the pope. let's be honest. and if they owe you money, try getting that back . getting that back. >> oh, good luck with that. >> oh, good luck with that. >> good luck with that. let me tell you. now, this is big brother on a completely different level. and it frightens me. and rachel reeves pledged 555 million to recruit more tax inspectors . on top of more tax inspectors. on top of that, all that includes people to answer the phone. >> yeah , and it's all at our >> yeah, and it's all at our cost of the good old taxpayer , cost of the good old taxpayer, isn't it? >> no, i think it's absolutely scandalous and frightening . scandalous and frightening. >> the issue i have with this is that hmrc would and they do have some form of ai anyway, and they

have their own thing. they are constantly making mistakes. i mean they've asked me for money twice this year and on both occasions they've been completely wrong . and i've had completely wrong. and i've had to explain to the woman on the phone, say to her, yeah, but this miracle you got through, i had to say to her, i had to phone them up, obviously waste my time calling them up to say, i don't owe you this. i paid it at the end of the year and the sist at the end of the year and the 31st of january as requested, and they were saying, oh, no. well, after you've done that, you can pay the asset. no, no, no. and they'd added interest on it. i said, oh no, are you in interest because you've got the money when you meant to? and why have you missed it? or were you supposed to phone us up? and then she said, you're supposed to phone us up when you get when you send us money. i said, no, i'm not your hmrc. i've got the little slip. i send you the thing. it goes through my accountant. still. this is so stupid. >> they're chasing innocent people like you. well, you know, and making stupid mistakes. and they've got 16 billion each year in tax fraud, so they're being negligent . negligent. >> so that's the key thing. i think what they need to do is concentrate on the big fish. you know, when they send out, sometimes you send out letters for 22 people and it costs more for 22 people and it costs more for the stamp than it did for the £0.22 that was owed in tax.

they need to concentrate on people, areas of tax avoidance and the big fish and not and, you know, not use a! to try and capture the little one. >> i know the little guy and i would like them to be focusing on that rather than us, but that's that's the way forward because there's lots of us and it's difficult for us to fight. whereas as somebody pointed out, the amazons of this world and have a lot of accountants, accountants, big fish and good lawyers, they're gonna be looking after the freelancers and those that are really struggling. >> i think this is really unfair andifs >> i think this is really unfair and it's very frightening. >> well, well, let's see what, great british voices think, because this show is nothing without them. let's welcome our great british voices, their opportunity to be on the show and tell us what they think about the topics we're discussing. i've got. let me see how many i've got of you. i think i might have four of you. i'm going to start with, where are they? there's no voices. they're not there. they're in my head. i've got voices in my head. i've got voices in my head. oh, nothing . no. what are head. oh, nothing. no. what are they saying? right. well, we'll come to the voices in just a moment when they arrive, but. yeah, so we were saying i is it a yes or no for you, for the ai. because remember there are positive uses for it. >> it's a it's a definite no. >> yes with safeguards because that's the worry. absolutely. because i think there needs to be safeguards that it's not used as a fishing expedition for

people who are, oh, you know, a few quid in taxes. they don't understand the system, who've made genuine mistakes. and it goes after people who are trying to avoid. well, that's what they do. >> well, but we've seen the devastation of what happens when computers go wrong. absolutely. and we saw the post office the last two weeks. >> there'd been a big problem with paying child benefit as well. so millions of families didn't get their child benefit. >> i imagine that that's real financial stress. >> this party is saying that actually you should get it, even if you're £120,000 a year. >> yeah, which is crazy because it's about, well, not necessarily if you're a single mum or, you know, then that's that's like two. yeah. i mean, but i think, i think it's, it's not as much if you, you're not getting your child benefit and the real stress of that and you're looking after a family and this, you know, cost of living. >> sorry. >> sorry. >> we discussed the child benefit. >> well, listen, this show is nothing without you and your views. we try and welcome our great richard's voices. now, let's see if they're available to tell us what they think about the topics were discussing. yes, i've got david bohm in watford. david, what do you think, hmrc? i what is that any good, no. >> and because i'm well i think roger mentioned it and he's mentioned it. horizon. wonderful example of total crap, how about

the hospitals that attacked by, hackers? how many, they just said russia is interfering with the ai already. >> how safe can our data be if you're already getting hacked from abroad, i think the whole thing. i'm not trying to be a luddite, but i think they have to go back, look at everything, understand where the failures can be, eradicate those, make sure it's as safe as possible , sure it's as safe as possible, and then introduce it with more safeguards. but don't keep introducing new systems which are going to fail. and they're going to go , oh dear, we've made going to go, oh dear, we've made a mistake, our fault. but we're bad, sorry. never happen again , bad, sorry. never happen again, well, that's what they all say, and it often does. david belem , and it often does. david belem, thank you very much. really good to talk to you. that is david bohm. oh, let's go to oh, brian dooganin bohm. oh, let's go to oh, brian doogan in solihull. brian, what do you think? briefly, we've got about 20s. i thought we only had david, yeah. i mean, i'm, i'm in favour with the caveat , you

favour with the caveat, you know, obviously needs to be safeguards , against the kind of safeguards, against the kind of abuses, and just sheer incompetence that resulted in the horizon post office scandal, and if it's, a means of going after the big, you know, corporations, then i think it's got , clear benefits, but not got, clear benefits, but not after the little people . okay. after the little people. okay. >> very much. brian. let's go to should we go to next. oh, we got let's see. oh, jonathan jones in cornwall. jonathan. >> hi, nana. i haven't seen you for ages . i've been blending for ages. i've been blending some special rishi tea for you. i'll get it over to you before the election. >> that's a promise. >> that's a promise. >> you keep saying i'm in favour of the little people. i agree with the other speakers. >> cheers. he agrees. the other speakers. cheers to you. jonathan jones with his tea . jonathan jones with his tea. jago' jonathan jones with his tea. jago, white tea and the west we go to now. i think i may have another voice. two up, one more. and lastly, let's go to julie's shaw. julie are you there? julie's not there. she's not there . well, listen. stay tuned. there. well, listen. stay tuned. we've got loads more, what are your thoughts? gbnews.com.

forward slash your say on the way. my quick fire quiz . but way. my quick fire quiz. but next up, clifford bates. so we have a quick look now. yes. what happens next? this is snatcher. but what happens next? all right, stay tuned.

right. | right. i have been teasing you throughout the show to say what happened next in clifford bates . happened next in clifford bates. and what happened to the prolific phone snatcher, 28 year old sonny stringer from islington in north london. have a look here. we can see stringer and his accomplice riding bikes across blackfriars bridge there in their red and the blue. okay. they're soon picked up on security cameras heading into the city, where police on the ground begin to chase, reaching the speeds of above 50 mph. members of the public are forced to jump out of the way, and sooner or later, stringer is arrested with 24 mobile phones

found on him and he's now pleaded guilty to ten thefts and dangerous driving alongside driving without insurance, so stringer is now due to be sentenced on the 8th of august. so the clip there, there's lots of writing on the screen you can't quite see, but there we go. we've got a cam now of what's going on. there they are. oh, that's the police. it must be the police camera or a camera catching them as they go over. and yet they actually get caught. crikey. thank goodness. how frightening are these people always get away with this stuff. >> oh, somebody's had their phone snatched me the next, next to me, the bus stop. and i live around the corner from blackfriars bridge, so i'm glad he's been caught. >> but that going that speed, see that coming at you? i mean, honestly, cause it's literally i mean, i was literally sat there and this poor girl was out her phone. i'm so glad that people keep your phone in your pocket or hide it somewhere. >> exactly. right now it's time for a quick pop quiz. the part of the show where i test my panel on some of the other stories hitting the headlines right now. please play along at home. joining me broadcast from columnist lizzie cundy. your buzzer please lizzie. and also former adviser to the labour

party. matthew laza. buzzer and at home. are you ready . question at home. are you ready. question one. this afternoon northampton won the rugby premiership final at twickenham. but which team did they have to beat. was it a harlequins b bath or c sale sharks. i'll go for matthew laza b which is, which is bath. aquaesulis >> i know it's a, it's a harlequins, it's bath. >> no . totally wrong. she's so >> no. totally wrong. she's so good answer i got a sports question right. >> i'm feeling very throwaway point. >> how do you say bath in latin. >> how do you say bath in latin. >> bath. bath. no aquae sulis. >> bath. bath. no aquae sulis. >> oh. very good. you threw it away, so you're classy. that's false . did the usa beat pakistan false. did the usa beat pakistan in the t20 world cup ? matthew in the t20 world cup? matthew laza true. so false. false. because you know what happened last time. >> i know, but it is true. >> i know, but it is true. >> it is true. yes, it is true. >> i'm on a roll on the sport. well i mean, i can't believe somebody didn't do the thing. >> so the answer is right. i didn't actually screen. yeah, it's true america did beat pakistan at cricket. the seventh duke of westminster. question three got married this week. the wealthy aristocrat was previously described as the most eligible bachelor in the

country. but just how rich he is, his answer wins. lizzie cundy 10,000,000,0io is, his answer wins. lizzie cundy 10,000,000,010 billion 1212 billion. the answer is it's 10 billion. lizzie cundy, she's got an eye on the prize i think she's she's she's taken him off her list now. he's taken. yeah he's off my nice target list. i mean, that woman and harry didn't go to the wedding. >> didn't want his brother. >> didn't want his brother. >> can i just say, lizzie? i think your hair is even bigger than penny morton. >> no, my previous wig was. remember that? that was growing. >> as the show goes on, my new hair is getting bigger. >> your hair's getting bigger, right? >> let's go. which manchester united defender has been sensationally left out this week of gareth southgate's england squad? we'll see also lizzie cundy jack grealish i was going to say jack grealish. >> i didn't know he played. i thought he played maguire. >> harry maguire you're totally wrong. and finally today is a gin day. but which country invented the popular alcoholic dnnk?ls invented the popular alcoholic drink? is it a india b netherlands or c indonesia? lizzie cundy a which is india india india? >> i thought it was aa, but i'm going to say it's the netherlands. >> netherlands. totally wrong. 21! won. well done to you. right? let's see on today's show

i've been asking are hmrc a tax by the way forward? according to our twitter poll, 26% of you say yes and 74% of you say no. that's right. and who do you think won the last night's tv debate? well, to according our twitter poll, 85% of you voted for reform, which would be a nigel farage 7% of you for the tories, which would have been penny mordaunt, 6% for the labour party, which would have been, angela rayner and 2% for the liberal democrats. daisy cooper , daisy cooper. very good. cooper, daisy cooper. very good. well, thank you so much to my panel. well, thank you so much to my panel . lizzie cundy, thank you panel. lizzie cundy, thank you very much to you. thank you. and thank you to you . thank you to you. >> matthew laza pleasure. i should say how moving andrew's story was. i thought that was incredible. >> oh, it was amazing. and i can't wait to read his book. >> absolutely . >> absolutely. >> absolutely. >> well, listen. and a huge thank you to you at home for your company as ever. i look forward to seeing you tomorrow. 3:00, same time, same up . up next it the saturday five. enjoy your

stories from the gb newsroom. an israeli special forces officer has been killed during an operation in gaza in which four hostages were rescued. noah ajmani , almog merjan, andrey ajmani, almog merjan, andrey kozlov and shlomi ziv were recovered by the idf. the four had been held in two houses in a residential neighbourhood of al nusret in the central gaza strip. after having been kidnapped by hamas on the 7th of october. if you're watching on television, this is the moment one of the hostages, noah, was reunited with family , and she reunited with family, and she also received a phone call from the country's president welcoming her home. israel's prime minister benjamin netanyahu, turned up to the hospital to see the hostages and their families. hospital to see the hostages and theirfamilies. he has hospital to see the hostages and their families. he has said his country won't give in to terrorism and remains committed to bringing all of the hostages