gb news on tv, online welcome to gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua. and on digital radio. i'm nana akua . and for the next few akua. and for the next few hours, me and my panel will be taking on some of the big topics hitting the headlines right now. this show is all about opinion. it's mine, it's theirs. and of course it's yours . we'll be course it's yours. we'll be debating discussing it. at times we will disagree, but no one will be cancelled. so joining me in an hour's time, broadcaster and journalist danny kelly, and also chair of the republicans overseas, greg swenson, now , in overseas, greg swenson, now, in a few moments, we'll be going head to head in a clash of minds in the clash with the former home office minister norman baken home office minister norman baker, and also border security expert henry bolton. coming up, nana nigel. the top stories of the week, of course, on harry and meghan. well, just harry mainly on this one and my outside guest this week has participated in stage shows all over the world and well, guess , over the world and well, guess, guess her name, she said. zhongli's that amazing comedy chain we could all do with a laugh right now. but before we get started, let's get your latest news with theo chikomba .

latest news with theo chikomba. >> good afternoon. it's 3:01. i'm theo chikomba in the gb newsroom. the family of michael mosley has confirmed that a body found on the greek island of symi is that of missing tv. doctor. doctor claire bailey. mosley says she's devastated after her husband's body was discovered beneath a fence that runs around a bar on aghia marina beach. she described her husband as wonderful, funny, kind and brilliant and said that the family takes comfort in the fact that he nearly made it, made it to safety after an incredible climb. doctor mosley, who was 67, was found in hilly, rocky terrain around 30 minutes walk from the village where he was last seen . labour is was last seen. labour is pledging to alleviate some of the pressure on overcrowded prisons, with a plan to add 14,000 new places. it would see some prisons classified as sites

of national importance , so of national importance, so ministers can take control of planning decisions . it comes planning decisions. it comes after some inmates were released early due to severe overcrowding across the prison system. the government previously promised to deliver 20,000 new prison places by mid 2020s. just 6000 have been created so far. labour leader sir keir starmer says the problem in prisons is getting worse. well i am critical of the tories early release scheme because what's happened is that they're releasing early prisoners who should still be in prisoners who should still be in prison and that's a shocking state of affairs. >> and like the many problems that they have left for the country, if we do come into power , we're going to have to power, we're going to have to fix it. now, that will involve building prisons. that will involve taking tough decisions because the money's been allocated for prison building. but there are tough decisions about planning and getting those prisons up. but what we can't have is a continuation of this total mess .

total mess. >> a plan to force private schools to pay vat could lead to larger class sizes, according to the shadow attorney general. the policy is expected to raise £1.5 billion a year, to according estimates by the institute for fiscal studies. emily thornberry says it's necessary to ensure there's enough money to feed school children. >> what we need to do is we need to raise the money in order to make sure that children going to state schools have had breakfast. that's what our priority is, and we need to raise the money from somewhere and what we're going to do is we are saying everything we're going to spend money on. we're saying where the money is coming from because we have a properly we will have a properly costed manifesto and all our spending commitments will be, will be costed and we will be able to say where it comes from. and sure, you know, there may well be complaints about it. i understand that, but i'm afraid that if i have a choice between putting vat on private schools and making sure that the children in my area can have breakfast before they start learning, i know where i am .

learning, i know where i am. >> a crackdown on people claiming benefits could save around £12 billion a year, according to a plan set out by the conservative party. it would see more people told to find work, including some who received disability payments. the prime minister has also pledged to tackle what he's called sick note culture. it would mean gps are no longer able to sign people off work with specialist workplace health professionals , given the professionals, given the responsibility. instead, labour called it a vague promise that won't get britain healthy or bnng won't get britain healthy or bring benefits under control . bring benefits under control. time spent waiting for an ambulance would be cut under a plan set out by the liberal democrats. it would see an extra thousand staffed hospital beds, which the party said would help end excessive handover delays and patients having to wait in corridors for treatments. the party says the proposals would be funded through an upfront capital investment of £280

million to expand urgent treatment centres. liberal democrat leader sir ed davey says urgent action is needed to fix britain's health care . fix britain's health care. >> seen in some parts of the country, people's loved ones dying before the ambulance has arrived. we've seen queues at hospitals as ambulance waiting to hand over their patients and something has to be done. we've got a comprehensive package to turn around this mess. the conservatives made of ambulance services , and that starts with services, and that starts with extra beds, extra thousand beds in our hospitals. but it also links up to our care policy so people can come out of hospitals more quickly when they're ready to . to. >> and the world's grumpiest duckis >> and the world's grumpiest duck is celebrating his 90th birthday today and can't faux pas happy three. the cartoon duck, known for his raspy speech and sometimes short temper , made

and sometimes short temper, made his debut on this day back in 1934, in a short cartoon titled the wise little hen, tony anselmo, who's voiced the classic disney character since 1985, thinks donald has become even more relevant over the years , possibly thanks to the years, possibly thanks to the frustrations of modern life . for frustrations of modern life. for the latest stories, sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen or go to gb news. com slash alerts. now let's return to . nana. let's return to. nana. >> thank you. theo. right before we get stuck into debates over the next few hours, let me introduce you to my clashes today. joining me, the former home office minister norman baken home office minister norman baker, and also border security expert henry bolton. they'll be going head to head. right. coming up, labour promises no rises in income tax. national insurance or that. but do you

buy it.7 where are they going to get the money from then? as rishi leaves d—day commemorations early and ministers are reported to be furious should he step down? and as the head of the royal ballet academy warns , starmers vat raid academy warns, starmers vat raid on private schools would hit gifted children in the policy. and it is the policy a massive misjudgement as ever. tell me what you think on everything we're discussing. get in touch gb views. com forward slash your say. right. so welcome. it's time for my election connection. i always like to give you a bit of an update on what's happening in the political arena. so shall we start with should we start with reform uk now of course we saw nigel farage performance, dunng saw nigel farage performance, during the seven way debate. here were the resounding things that came out of it. >> i have to say, i think this has been one of the worst general election campaigns so far between the two main parties i've ever seen in my life time. >> it isn't just that their

leaders are dull, don't really, well, very dull. in the case of laboun well, very dull. in the case of labour, i mean sort of sort of blair without the flair . blair without the flair. >> well, that resonated with quite a few people, meanwhile , quite a few people, meanwhile, penny mordaunt and angela rayner clashed on the issue of tax . clashed on the issue of tax. >> keir starmer confirmed this earlier this week. >> they are going to put up your taxes by £2,000 by 2000. >> personal per working anymore. you're using, you're using a figure that's been criticised by the uk statistics watchdog costings and labour's own stand by your record and you'll see record levels of taxes on working people. >> 26 separate tax hikes in the last parliament. >> and as for the snp , their >> and as for the snp, their westminster leader, stephen flynn, said that migration was essential to the uk . essential to the uk. >> migration is absolutely essential to our public services. >> it's absolutely essential to our business and it's absolutely

essential to our economic growth i >> -- >> well, joining me now is political correspondent olivia utley , because, i mean, those utley, because, i mean, those were interesting debates. but what kind of impact did they have? olivia? >> i mean, at the moment, obviously eyes are very much focused still on rishi sunak and keir starmer. and for now it seems as though that debate had very little impact at all. the polls seem to be doing exactly what they were doing before keir starmer is now 25 points ahead and day by day it feels as though things are only getting worse for the conservative party. rishi sunak perhaps, was hoping that if he stayed quiet for long enough, then his d—day gaffe would be forgotten. it has not been forgotten . he refused not been forgotten. he refused to speak to reporters yesterday in a visit in county durham, the conservatives said because he didn't have time. but there was speculation yesterday that he might step down before the general election . that seems to

general election. that seems to have died away now. mel stride, the work and pensions secretary, has ruled that out, said that it is completely off the table. but conservative mps, backbenchers, particularly , are getting particularly, are getting increasingly furious. we saw penny mordaunt reaction. she was perhaps hoping that at some point under a labour government, she could be leader of the opposition. sources close to her are now suggesting that she's worried about losing her seat, partly because of this this d—day gaffe of rishi sunaks things are looking very, very bleak for the conservatives and for now, at least, it looks as though labour is continuing with its pretty easy ride. it's publishing its manifesto on thursday , and keir starmer has thursday, and keir starmer has already said that he will rule out raising the three big taxes. that's vat, national insurance and income tax for at least five years. but i think we'll be really, really interesting to analyse that manifesto in full because labour have made quite a lot of very costly promises and without raising those three main

taxes , rachel reeves, the shadow taxes, rachel reeves, the shadow chancellor, is going to have to pull quite a few rabbits out of quite a few hats. but for now at least, it feels as though that debate didn't make too much of a difference in the polls. as we've seen time and again with these election debates, and labouris these election debates, and labour is still storming ahead. >> olivia utley, thank you very much . right. well, welcome again much. right. well, welcome again to my clashes . joining me, to my clashes. joining me, former home office minister norman baker, and also border control expert henry bolton. right. well what did you think, henry bolton? i'll come to you first. what did you make of the seven way debates and in your view, who was the sort of clear the person who stood out the most? >> i think nigel farage did, his his delivery was clear , he was his delivery was clear, he was mainly, though, attacking the record of everybody else rather than putting his own case forward, and, you know, in the past , because i know nigel forward, and, you know, in the past, because i know nigel and in the past, i've advised him, i've said to him, look, you really need to project a vision solutions and how you're going

to deliver those solutions . but to deliver those solutions. but he doesn't do that. nigel is an extremely good speaker. his rhetoric is outstanding , and rhetoric is outstanding, and he's very good at attacking other people's records, but not so good on actually saying this is what i'm going to do. and when he does, it doesn't stand interrogation. >> well, i think i think he did say what he was going to do when it came to the nhs. he put forward a proposal and said that we should be like another country. i think it was the netherlands. was it france, the france? it was france, wasn't it? so he did put that forward as and actually, to be fair to him, that stood out because even though the labour party in wes streeting has said that he wants to reform the health service, angela rayner didn't say that she was too busy discussing how much money or whether we would get the money from. and so they, you know, even there. so i think that was an interesting moment. >> there are a few things coming out of reform, don't get me wrong. but in general, the, the, the emphasis of their strategy is to criticise others rather than say what they would do well and ultimately well. the others are going to have to deliver very much anyway because they're

not going to be in power or the opposition they will gain will be interesting because the manifestos are coming out, and hopefully they'll indeed have theirs as well. >> we can get some more detail on that. >> all right, norman baker well, you didn't have a clip from daisy cooper in that short introduction. >> no, we didn't, which it's a shame because i thought she did very well. she did do very well. >> and actually, if you look at the polls, i mean, i know the polls aren't the result, but the polls aren't the result, but the polls suggest that the lib dems will do very well. in fact, some of the projections suggested the tories and such chaos. >> lib dems might be the opposition officially in parliament. >> one of the one of the projections showed the lib downs on 51 seats and the tories on 24. so it's actually quite important what lib dems say and actually, dare i say lib dems are rather better opposition than the tories are with more practice at it over the years. so i think it's a very good answers on the nhs. >> the guy from the snp actually was quite forthright on, on, a number of issues , including number of issues, including migration, but also on brexit and actually brexit has hardly been mentioned. >> no party wants to talk about brexit and the labour party doesn't want to talk about it because it doesn't want to lose the red wall seat. the tories

don't want to talk about it because they kind of invented it. >> lib dems ought to be talking about it but aren't, but the snp is. >> i'm going to disagree, norman, if i may. of course, the reason they're not talking about it, the conservatives aren't talking about it because they have failed to deliver on it. that's right, labour is not talking about it because they want to integrate us further. and you know, the i think the bulk of the bulk of the british pubuc bulk of the bulk of the british public aren't in in either of those spaces. >> no, i think that's probably right. but actually, what this is a dishonest election in some ways, because, all these parties are promising not to put up taxation. they're also promising to improve public services and normally enormously . those two normally enormously. those two things don't add up together. i mean, the public sector is in a shambles. look at the state of our roads, of potholes. look at the nhs, look at the schools falling to bits . look at the falling to bits. look at the prisons where there was a story on gb news last week of prisoners using plastic cutlery to get through walls. that's how shambolic the walls are in the prisons now. >> i thought that was a joke when i heard it wasn't a joke, it was actually true. >> and, you know, so there's a lot of money needed to invest in

the public services. where is it coming from? nobody's being honest about that. >> well, our taxes are going up and up and up and i'm not seeing much improvement. so we the question is what are they spending it on. because they can keep raising them. but if you spend it badly then there's literally no point to it. but sir keir starmer will launch the labour manifesto this week with a cast iron pledge not to put up income tax. national insurance or vat. now the plan, which will be revealed by the party's leader and his shadow cabinet on thursday , will include a triple thursday, will include a triple lock vow that a labour government will not raise the big three taxes for five years, but do you trust labour's pledge on taxes? i mean, where are they going to get the money from norman baker? >> well, i don't know where they're getting the money from. i mean, the lib dems have identified that there is £36 billion of money which could be accrued from tax avoidance and tax evasion , which ought to be tax evasion, which ought to be brought in. the tories are talking about dealing with excesses on, on, on benefits. well if a long time to sort that out and only just discovered there's a problem there. so i don't really believe that. so there is money not being

collected from very people who are very rich and should be paying are very rich and should be paying their taxes properly. but even that's not necessarily enough to deal with the backlog of problems in the public sector. so i think they do have to look at taxes. and, you know, it's irresponsible actually, to say you won't put up taxes in five years. who knows what they're going to see when they see the books. they may find it's a huge problem. they can't guarantee that. where are they on defence? are they committed to 2.5% or aren't they? you know, these things aren't very clear. so we will as a manifesto this week, live down one tomorrow. by the way labour one later in the week. i think the tory one as well. >> well let's i suppose the labour party would argue that they are going to have this commitment, but i should unforeseen circumstances occur that any one of those taxes might well go up. >> henry bolton well, that's probably what they would say. well, look, we'll have to see what their manifesto says. the conservative party has claimed that. and penny mordaunt claimed that. and penny mordaunt claimed that the labour party was going to raise taxes by £2,000 over the next five years. well and that that is based on their conservative party's analysis of what they think the labour party has pledged that it's going to deliver and what it would cost and what sort of the differential is. >> but the labour party have

said that's just fictional. yeah indeed. >> well, we'll have to wait and see what their manifesto actually says and then have another look at it. but i agree with norman. you know, there are things that need to be paid for. and we don't know what's coming. it is absolutely dishonest and disingenuous for any party to say we will not raise taxes in the next five years because, as norman says, they may well have no choice. and you know , to be no choice. and you know, to be quite honest, there are problems that need to be resolved before you can do a full sort of you know, efficiency drive in the nhs or anywhere else, or education you what's going to happenin education you what's going to happen in the meantime? >> well, they might also argue because they're not in power at the moment, they are likely to be in power , but they're not in be in power, but they're not in power. so they don't know the situation as it as it stands properly because they're not they haven't got their hands on this, that's what. but that's what that was their argument that they used for not giving us the detail. and we wanted detail. so now we've got detail. surely we should be thankful

that they're giving us some guidance to what they're planning to do. >> but i think it is a fiction because they just don't know. and therefore but their problem is actually the way that the media and the public expect them to respond because they can't get a vote. they're not going to do very well if they tell everybody we are putting up your taxes, particularly if they don't know why they're going to put up taxes, so they have no choice but to say we're not going to put them up, that's the way we sort of interrogate them. and i think that needs to be sort of thought. >> well, when the manifesto comes out, this week, it will be most interesting to see where they plan to get that money from. right but it's time for the great british giveaway and your chance to make this summer really special. with over £16,000 worth of prizes to be won, that is 15,000 in cash and a whole host of treats. but you have to be in it to win it. and here are all the details that you'll need. >> it's our summer spectacular three top prizes that have to be won. there's cash £15,000 in tax free cash to spend on anything you like this summer, plus a brand new iphone 15 with a set of apple airpods and if that

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good afternoon. if you've just tuned in. welcome on board. it is fast approaching. 24 minutes after 3:00. i'm nana akua. this is a gb news. we are britain's election channel. and you've just joined me for the clash . up just joined me for the clash. up next, rishi sunak will absolutely lead the tories into the general election on the 4th of july, despite widespread fury at him for skipping a d—day event. at him for skipping a d—day event . a cabinet ally said today event. a cabinet ally said today mel stride, the work and pensions secretary, dismissed suggestions that the prime minister would quit amid the outrage of his early departure from normandy , the normandy

from normandy, the normandy commemorations. he said that mr sunak would be feeling the anger and his actions very deeply indeed , and would be deeply indeed, and would be deeply uncomfortable with what has happened. but he insisted that the embattled premier's commitment and patriotism were beyond doubt. but what do you think? should rishi sunak quit over the d—day disaster? because that's kind of what it was, wasn't it ? joining me now in the wasn't it? joining me now in the clash, former home office minister norman baker and also border control expert henry bolton . henry bolton. hello, bolton. henry bolton. hello, brownite rishi sunak. he's cancelled a few engagements. he's obviously licking his wounds for this ridiculous faux pas, but he wasn't really . i pas, but he wasn't really. i mean, let's be honest, he has people that plan things he should have overseen something i don't understand what what he did. >> he's the decision maker, though, isn't he? in such things, he can override the advice that he gets given. i mean, you know, the advisers advise decision makers make decisions. and, you know, it was it's not not just the offence that was caused , whatever the that was caused, whatever the reason, it wasn't communicated

effectively. if he had a very good reason, it wasn't communicated effectively. and, you know, it seems to be a media interview that was the cause of it, which really is ridiculous . it, which really is ridiculous. the problem here is that it's not just d—day. it just shows an incredible lack of political acumen and judgement. that was certainly not that of, of the of the sort of failure in judgement that you'd expect from the head of government, but also his team, but also his team . team, but also his team. >> let's be fair as well. >> let's be fair as well. >> but you know, here, here we just see yet another example of conservative failures, of leadership, of judgement , of leadership, of judgement, of planning, of grasp as to what ordinary people see, see and think of their actions. well, he would argue that he did the british side of this. >> so there were different sort of commemorations. this was the international leg now. so he'd done all the british things that he inept as to. >> and the answer is clearly yes as to realise that he got that massively. >> well he did apologise though didn't he. so he's apologised. right, right. >> you know people apologise for

the most appalling errors and crimes and so on as well. it doesn't make them better. we do not want, i do not want a prime minister who is capable of making such inept decisions, whether he's advised to or whether he's advised to or whether he's advised to or whether he's not. it's just, you know, it's i'd expect it of somebody who's just been elected to the house of commons three weeks ago that they might make that sort of mistake. but for a prime minister who has been chancellor and who knows the media, i mean, it's just i'm just almost speechless. >> well, you managed to get quite a few words out there for somebody who's almost speechless, isn't he? for somebody who not quite him speechless. that's never happened. >> norman baker well i mean, look, i mean he's pitched i mean, apart from the great offence he's caused people, which he has , the political which he has, the political aspect of this is just beyond belief . he's pitched his whole belief. he's pitched his whole election campaign to try to make sure pensioners turn out to vote, turn out for the conservatives. that's what the whole thing has been about national service, everything else. that's what he's been

pitching. and here is a group who's going to be most offended. i think by him turning away from d—day celebration celebrations or marking d—day properly as he should have done, you know, and he left not just that, but he left keir starmer there with all the leaders of the world to be photographed with them. well, he went off to an itv interview for a pre—record for next week. i mean it's just absolutely unbelievable. but you know, it's one gaffe after another. it's standing next to an exit sign, which he did. it's going to the titanic quarter of northern ireland being at about, you know, whether he was captured a sinking sinking ship. you know it's getting tory councillors and high. well if you take jackets to ask questions about him, it's a gaffe a day. he's like an advent calendar of ineptitude. >> this bloke i suppose if you take the a away from sunak it is sunk. but that's just spelling. >> that's true. but look, you know the question. should he resign? should he resign? we're now in a situation that that it's, you know, at this stage . it's, you know, at this stage. but by god, if this had happened when it wasn't in the middle of an election campaign, i think there would be an absolute those

letters would have gone straight into the 90s. >> but but do you think? >> but but do you think? >> rightly so. >> rightly so. >> but isn't part of a long time ago, but isn't part of the issue that we have with a lot of people are having with the conservative party that they kept getting rid of leaders? i mean, you know, who how many have we had? is it five or whatever? so isn't that part of the issue and the should he stay now for this to take this ship all the way down. well he's got, he's got he's got to stay. >> i mean, the captain's the last man standing on the deck. not well. you can't change. you can't change a party leader in the way we're talking about doing that before that. >> anyway. >> anyway. >> well, you can't do that. i mean, he's going to have to run through to the election, but, i mean, he is a disaster for the conservatives as well for the country. and they're going to sink without trace. and the real issue is what happens for the conservative party, what happens to them after the election? what kind of party will there be? who are many people will they have? will they be moving to the right or to the left? that's the debate now taking place. they've written off the election. the conservatives, they're now looking at what happens afterwards. >> i think i think that is true. i mean, to be fair, because that

is the big question. >> i think the big question now is not even really what the shape of the house of commons is going to be after the election. we know that it's going to be a labour government. we know that the conservatives or the conservatives are most likely to be a tiny opposition, and probably on the centre sort of. margaret thatcher might have called them wet element, what are the conservative party going to do next after the election? that's the crucial question. and we're not hearing that question asked very often. >> it's speculation. well, well, they're not going to answer that because they are still talking about having some seats. and indeed, who knows, there might be a moment where everyone goes, oh my god, i can't vote for these ones. and there is still time for the labour party and reform uk and the liberal democrats and the greens, and there's still time for those parties to make catastrophic errors as well. so we still have time. >> there is , there is time. >> there is, there is time. i hope that doesn't happen. of course, with my party. but looking ahead to the parliament, if we have a big labour majority , which looks like we're going to have 500 seats, possibly for laboun to have 500 seats, possibly for labour, they will win that on a minority of the votes cast because no party ever gets 50% of the vote. now, i don't think

the voting system, which delivers 500 seats to one party with a minority of the vote, is the right system and actually the right system and actually the best government we had in the best government we had in the last 20 years was was the lib dem tory coalition >> well, you would say that. >> well, you would say that. >> well, you would say that. >> well, no, it wasn't just that. well look at lasted it lasted five years. it lasted five years. it's been absolute chaos since the lib dems left the government, i yeah, it may be. >> some might argue that that's why we've been here since. >> maybe that's why. >> maybe that's why. >> because we weren't there . >> because we weren't there. >> because we weren't there. >> maybe we're not. yes. i don't know how good we are with hung parliaments and coalitions. i'm not so sure. but then, you know, i think the electoral system does not enable us to have a real balance of power. reform will. >> reform will get reform will get 10 or 15% of the vote and probably one seat if nigel gets in. that's it. that's not fair. >> i think one of one of the things is everybody gives the example of italy as a sort of chaotic result of coalitions . chaotic result of coalitions. look at germany. germany is very well without with coalitions and work. >> well look and to be fair to rishi sunak as well, he's not here to defend himself. he you

know, and he must be he has already apologised for the faux pas. so, you know, maybe , maybe pas. so, you know, maybe, maybe people will move on. we do need to look at their policies, their manifestos come out actually this week, so hopefully we can move forward. >> you might even lose his own seat. you know, that's one of the projections. >> well, you know, a lot of people might lose their own seats. but anyway, stay with us. we've got loads to come. 32 minutes is fast approaching after 3:00 coming up, we'll be discussing immigration next though. will labour's tax on private schools be a success? first, let's get your latest news headlines with theo chikomba. >> good afternoon. is 3:31? i'm theo chikomba and the gb newsroom . the family of michael newsroom. the family of michael mosley has confirmed that a body found on the greek island of symi is that of the missing tv doctor. doctor clare bailey mosley says she's devastated after her husband's body was discovered beneath a fence that runs around a bar on aghia marina beach . she described her

marina beach. she described her husband as a wonderful, funny, kind and brilliant and said that the family takes comfort in the fact that he nearly made it, made it to safety after an incredible climb. doctor mosley, who was 67, was found in hilly, rocky terrain around 30 minutes walk from the village where he was last seen . the conservatives was last seen. the conservatives are setting out a plan to save around £12 billion a year by tightening the criteria for those who claim benefits. it would see more people told to find work, including some who received disability payments. the prime minister has also pledged to tackle what he's called sick note culture. it would mean gps are no longer able to sign people off work with specialist workplace health professionals, given the responsibility instead. labour called it a vague promise that won't get britain healthy or bnng won't get britain healthy or bring benefits under control . bring benefits under control. meanwhile, labour is pledging to alleviate some of the pressure

on overcrowded prisons with a plan to add 14,000 new places. it would see some prisons classified as sites of national importance , so ministers can importance, so ministers can take control of planning decisions . it take control of planning decisions. it comes take control of planning decisions . it comes after some decisions. it comes after some inmates were released early due to severe overcrowding across the prisons system. labour leader sir keir starmer says the problem is getting worse . problem is getting worse. >> well, i am critical of the tories early release scheme because what's happened is that they're releasing early prisoners who should still be in prisoners who should still be in prison , and that's a shocking prison, and that's a shocking state of affairs and like the many problems that they have left for the country , if we do left for the country, if we do come into power, we're going to have to fix it now, that will involve building prisons. that will involve taking tough decisions because the money's been allocated for prison building. but there are tough decisions about planning and getting those prisons up. but what we can't have is a continuation of this total mess .

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good afternoon. 37 minutes after 3:00. welcome back. if you've just joined us, this is gb news. i'm nana akua. we are britain's election channel. this is the clash . right. so next up, the clash. right. so next up, the head of the royal ballet school has warned that the proposed 20% vat on private schools, which labouris vat on private schools, which labour is like, would potentially destroy the opportunity for talented children from less well—off

backgrounds and could end up harming the reputation of ballet in the uk . in harming the reputation of ballet in the uk. in an interview with the telegraph, he called on sir keir starmer to reconsider the effects on both social mobility and the performing arts of the general election pledge to and exempt children in receipt of government sponsorship and this is what the shadow attorney general, emily thornberry, had to say about the issue when she spoke to gb news earlier. >> what we need to do is we need to raise the money in order to make sure that children going to state schools have had breakfast. that's what our priority is, and we need to raise the money from somewhere . raise the money from somewhere. and what we're going to do is we are saying everything we're going to spend money on. we're saying where the money is coming from because we have a properly we will have a properly costed manifesto and all our spending commitments will be, will be costed and we will be able to say where it comes from. and sure, you know, there may well be complaints about it. i understand that, but i'm afraid that if i have a choice between putting vat on private schools and making sure that the children in my area can have breakfast before they start

learning, i know where i am . learning, i know where i am. >> so that was emily thornberry earlier. but what if it destroys the private school sector? let's welcome again to my clashes. former home office minister norman baker arne slot board of control expert henry bolton, norman baker, i don't think it would destroy the private school sector. >> what it might do is dissuade some people who struggle very hard to pay for their children to be in private schools with relatively low incomes, dissuade them from doing so, and they will. they'll therefore transfer them to state sector. the private schools themselves will, in my view, carry on pretty successfully. most of them, because they will get more people from overseas and charge them higher fees. but i'm not sure that's the best result for this country. but i think that's what the consequences will be. but the ultimate, ultimate answer is to make sure the state sector is so good. people don't want to spend money on private. >> wouldn't you think that that would be a far better approach than, breaking apart a potentially a working model and potentially a working model and potentially putting those children into the state sector

thatis children into the state sector that is already struggling, i, i think it's a very strange policy. i tell you why . look. policy. i tell you why. look. well, i mean, we talked earlier about the lack of coherence in policy and across the parties and within parties. look, rachel reeves said the other day that this the vat raised was going to be spent on placing mental health professionals in schools. and now we have emily thornberry, basically saying that they're going to spend it on breakfasts. well, which is it going to be? they haven't got they're not they're not together on that . the second thing is, if on that. the second thing is, if you do end up damaging the private sector, the private school sector, then there's less money coming in to pay for whatever it was you were going to pay for. and that's if it's in the education sector, then you're adding to the costs and the pressures within the education setting sector. larger classrooms and so on, so, you know, this just doesn't make sense . i tend to agree. i'm sense. i tend to agree. i'm sorry, but with the idea that this is a policy of envy, and it's very misplaced. i mean, you

know, my own daughter who lives in austria, has just been selected for a private school , selected for a private school, which is the only school in austria that provides that level of, of arts, arts education. they do the normal curriculum and they do everything else as well, including ballet, as we've just heard and various other things. now, are we going to remove that or are we going to replace that sort of capacity with something in the state sector? what are we going to do? this this is not a well thought through policy whatsoever. well, i just don't see they arguing the education sector brings , you the education sector brings, you know, they spend about 116 billion that is across the uk, they're arguing that this will bnngin they're arguing that this will bring in 1.7 billion, which is of course that 1, which isn't really very much, but they're going to 6500 teachers. they're going to 6500 teachers. they're going to 6500 teachers. they're going to be bringing in. but how much does the teacher cost? and if it's 6500 teachers across their parliament, i'm wondering, there are 23,000 schools. so it doesn't really i mean, just just even looking at the number

crunching. no, i don't see how that's going to it's not going to make a dent in anything, is it ? it? >> well, i mean, it's a relatively small figure for the overall budget deficit , which overall budget deficit, which the government is going to face when they get elected. but you know what worries me now is this that the gap between private and state has become more marked. and if you look at any sector , and if you look at any sector, whether it's people in journalism or whether it's people in business or anywhere else, those who have been to private schools are, by and large , getting a better chance large, getting a better chance and a better education and a better chance to progress in their in their field. and that wasn't always the case. if you go back 20, 30 years, that wasn't the case. look at mps now. there are more and more from private schools and i'm going to be off message from my party here. but i actually believe in grammar schools because i think the opportunity to base an element of your education on merit, on intelligence. >> well, keir starmer went to reigate grammar and a lot of people who were now in parliament did. >> but fewer than used to. but actually grammar schools were a leg up for those who hadn't,

whose parents hadn't got the money. i came to a grammar school and i got a tremendous education from grammar school. that avenue has been shut off now to people. >> but what you said earlier , >> but what you said earlier, though, the money, they probably may still get, though, as you said , they'll probably get said, they'll probably get foreign students in to make up to mop up the deficit. >> yes, but what we also need to look at any government needs to look at any government needs to look at any government needs to look at is the fact that we've got incredibly large class sizes. you go to finland, it's about 19 per class, you come to the uk and it's about 29. and finland is not an aberration . finland is not an aberration. you know, i just happen to know that off my head. the figure for finland is 19.6 is the average class size. it's size here it's 29 point something. you know everywhere else is lower across europe. and that's nothing to do with brexit. by the way , this with brexit. by the way, this this is something that and it's one of the reasons why it's difficult for for, children in state education to get on because the teachers have got far too many people that they've got to teach and deal with. we've got to address that. labouris

we've got to address that. labour is why their targeting this i really don't know. it's a difficult policy. it's a complex area. it's a thing that's not actually broken that doesn't need fixing. >> well they would argue that they're trying to fix the state sector. >> right. but they out of getting vat funding from private schools which if you're successful and if it's that if you're going to get billions of pounds, that's billions of pounds, that's billions of pounds coming out of the private sector that is going to have an impact on their businesses, you are going to get less revenue andifs are going to get less revenue and it's still not going to come well. >> well, the obr are actually looking at this and questioning it and saying that if it doesn't raise the revenue then they'll suggest that they scrap it because the objective, even though the objective seems to be getting lost with the objective, was to raise money, not to look at the private school people and say, oh, well, it's all right for them. they're not the politics of envy, but that what i'm hearing a lot is a politics of envy. rather than focusing on the mission, which was money. and if it doesn't raise the money, then, you know, then it should be scrapped. but also the unions, briefly. the mission. let me finish. sorry i'm speaking. and also the unions, the unions are now are talking

about it because a lot of teachers may potentially lose their jobs as these schools close as well. >> yes, i know the mission should be better. education for the state system. it's up to the private system, what they do, the state education should be enhanced and that should be the mission , not raising money. mission, not raising money. >> it's a different the mission should be just a system where nobody has to go or needs to go to private school. and the state sector can handle anyone and everyone and everyone gets a brilliant education. wouldn't that be a great policy? i'd love to hear that. well, stay tuned, but coming up, my nana nigel, on the commemorations for the 80th anniversary of d—day, whilst there was a poor showing from both rishi sunak and joe biden, the king and prince william gave a strong showing of unity . but a strong showing of unity. but first, a new report suggests record immigration has failed to britons richer. we'll be debating whether it's

immigration. good afternoon. it's just coming

up to 49 minutes after 3:00. welcome on board. this is gb news. we are britain's election channel. i'm nana akua now a record. immigration has failed to make britons richer and is making a crisis in productivity. a leading think tank has warned . a leading think tank has warned. the resolution foundation said that the fastest population growth in a century had propped up the british economy since 2010, with three quarters of the 6 million increase accounted for by inward migration. however, it also added that britain's middling growth record since the tories took power had done little to boost gdp per person, which economists believe is a better proxy for living standards because it accounts for population growth. so let's welcome again to my clashes. former home office minister norman baker, also former border control expert henry bolton. so what do you think , henry bolton? what do you think, henry bolton? a lot of people, we saw the snp saying immigration is great, great, great. more and more he was it was almost as though he was it was almost as though he was calling for more. yet it

seemed at odds with most people in that seven way debate. i'm sure you watched, is better more immigration better? >> no, immigration at the rate that society can absorb without putting undue stress on our pubuc putting undue stress on our public utilities and services and so on, immigration that actually contributes towards society. in the economy. yes. that's going to be beneficial . that's going to be beneficial. and indeed, you know, the conservative party, one of their policies is to establish a migration advisory committee of members of parliament to, if they were elected to advise on, on adaptation or agility within the point system. and i think that's the sensible thing you continually review it and it's about what you need and what's beneficial , rather than let's beneficial, rather than let's open the borders, which is the present approach . and that's present approach. and that's rather what, flynn from the, the snp seem to be suggesting. look immigration. >> but he got a round of applause for that though. >> yeah. well he did from a bbc audience. well no they were very london centric audience. >> they were selected by savanta and apparently they came from

all over the country. okay. >> all right. well, anyway , well >> all right. well, anyway, well that's i, i beg to differ with the audience. >> and they said that they found supporters of all of the parties. >> there is a very broad liberal elite who think that this is a good idea. and are untouched really by immigration. but here's a thing. today is the last day of elections in the european parliamentary elections, it runs over three days and most of the youth aged 18 to 25 across europe are expected to vote for right leaning parties because they they're in most countries, such as denmark. i've just come back from there. they are, they've had a frank , open, sensible, had a frank, open, sensible, mature discussion about immigration and young people realise that immigration puts huge pressure on accessibility to housing, on jobs, on a whole range of things and their identity in denmark as scandinavians, as danes and so on, and they they're concerned about it here. we're not allowed to have that full, frank, honest and open debate without throwing brickbats and insults at each other. and i think that's got to

stop. so i immigrant for me, immigration undoubtedly puts undue strain on on all of our housing, on the whole system, economic and social, and indeed bnngs economic and social, and indeed brings with it certain risks to our way of life. and here i'm going to be a little bit contentious . political islam and contentious. political islam and religious sectarianism in the uk is unquestionably increasing, and political islam is. and i'll happily have this debate with anybody. but is absolutely incompatible with liberal democracy . democracy. >> yeah but but but but you're getting the but but the political islam that you're referring to is usually from those who are born and bred in this country. >> it doesn't matter where it's from. >> but that's what i'm saying. >> but that's what i'm saying. >> imported. it doesn't. >> imported. it doesn't. >> it means from abroad it may well be, but but those those who are participating in it, the majority of them were actually born in this country, norman baker well , born in this country, norman baker well, his immigration and immigration is let's be clear about that. well, what are the differences? >> well, there are people who there are people who come here for, in a sense, to benefit the country as we see it, people

without whom the country would be in some difficulty within the nhs, people who work on agriculture and so on. there are sectors where the country needs people coming from abroad. then there are those who come in because they want a better life for themselves. and there's a question of whether or not the numbers are too high. and then there are the third category, if you like, of people who are escaping the threat of death or torture at home and are seeking refuge in this country, and we need to try and separate those out and not kind of mix them all together because they are different categories of people, you know, i think the government's made a mess of this, of course, like everything else. but one of the things it did do right was to reach a bilateral arrangement with albania to return people to albania, because there's no question that they're probably safer in albania. and that was probably the way forward on, on that sort of front. so yeah, there is a serious problem, one of the problems, of course, is the home office has failed up absolutely and abysmally. >> but we in process but we know about all the problems because we can see them on a daily basis . but do we need more yes or no

more? watch immigration. >> well, we need selected immigration of people who are benefit to the country. >> okay. thank you very much. well, listen, stay with us because henry and norman will be with me for the next half hour. this is gb news still to come. my this is gb news still to come. my nana's niggle. and also my great british debate. i'm asking, would ditching net zero get your vote? that is on the way . stay tuned to not go way. stay tuned to not go anywhere. this is gb news britain's election . channel. britain's election. channel. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on gb news . news. hello and welcome to news. news. hello and welcome to your gb news weather update brought to you by the met office. well, there'll still be plenty of sunshine to end the weekend, but from monday it is going to be turning a little bit cloudier for today though, we've still got plenty of high pressure building across the uk, which is dominating the weather. nofice which is dominating the weather. notice the frontal system moving into the northwest and a slight squeeze in the isobars, so turning a little bit breezier across scotland for the evening, though. still plenty of late evening sunshine across central

and southern parts of the uk. turning cloudier from the north, though with some rain and drizzle moving into the northwest, and this could be a little bit heavy across northwestern hills for most, though quite cloudy and mild night on offer, most towns and cities not really dropping below double digits, but a little bit cooler under the clear spells in the very far south. so a brighter start across the south, but it is generally going to be clouding over through the course of the morning largely dry. but we will start to see some rain and drizzle feed in into northern parts of wales and parts of northern england, and quite a cloudy picture across northern ireland and the rest of northern england. still with the odd spot of rain and drizzle but generally brightening up across parts of aberdeenshire , though parts of aberdeenshire, though we will start to see some showers move in from the west across the northern isles. so a bit of a mixed picture to start the new working week, but generally it's going to be quite a cloudy picture as well. still, with the odd spot of rain and drizzle moving into the northwest . by the time we reach northwest. by the time we reach the afternoon, we will start to see some sunshine poke through the cloud, particularly across

scotland, where we will see plenty of sunshine there. quite a brisk breeze which is going to take the edge off the temperatures a little bit, and generally temperatures are going to be slightly lower tomorrow. but where you do catch the sunshine in any sheltered spots across scotland, it should still be feeling pleasant and warm now into the evening. still plenty of cloud, which means it's going to remain fairly mild but turning a little bit cooler across those clearer spells in scotland and still plenty of showers feeding into the northern isles and for next week, is generally a cloudier picture. still fairly dry across the south, but some rain and showers in the north and feeling a little bit cooler too . here a little bit cooler too. here >> looks like things are heating up. boxt boilers sponsors of weather on gb news

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to gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua. and for the next few hours, me and my panel will be taking on some of the big topics hitting the headlines right now. this show is all about opinion. it's mine. it's theirs. and of course it is yours. we'll be debating discussing it at times. we will disagree, but no one will be cancelled. so joining me today is broadcaster and journalist danny kelly and also chair of the republicans overseas, greg svensson. coming up, bananas. nigel is on prince harry and of course the royal family, my outside guests. now listen, stay tuned. because she has performed around the world and may soon be on a stage near you. she set up that amazing comedy chain, jongleurs. she will be live at five. but who is she? but before we get started, let's get your latest news with tatiana sanchez i >> gnaana. thank you and good afternoon. the top stories this houn afternoon. the top stories this hour. michael mosley's wife says she's devastated after his body was found on the greek island

where they'd been on holiday. doctor claire bailey mosley described her husband as wonderful, funny, kind and brilliant. and she said the family takes comfort in the fact that he nearly made it to safety after an incredible climb. doctor mosley, who was 67, was with his wife and friends at a beach on the island of symi on wednesday before setting off alone for a walk. his body was found around mid—morning today beneath a fence that runs around a bar on aghia marina beach, which is surrounded by hilly, rocky terrain . labour is rocky terrain. labour is pledging to alleviate some of the pressure on overcrowded prisons, with a plan to add 14,000 new places. it would see some prisons classified as sites of national importance, so ministers can take control of planning decisions. it comes after some inmates were released early due to severe overcrowding across the prison system. the government previously promised to deliver 20,000 new prison places by the mid 2020s. just 6000 have been created so far .

6000 have been created so far. labour leader sir keir starmer says the problem in prisons is getting worse. >> well, i am critical of the tories early release scheme because what's happened is that they're releasing early prisoners who should still be in prison, and that's a shocking state of affairs. and like the many problems that they have left for the country, if we do come into power, we're going to have to fix it. now, that will involve building prisons . that involve building prisons. that will involve taking tough decisions because the money's been allocated for prison building. but there are tough decisions about planning and getting those prisons up. but what we can't have is a continuation of this total mess . continuation of this total mess. >> a plan to force private schools to pay vat could lead to larger class sizes, according to the shadow attorney general. the policy is expected to raise £1.5 billion a year. that's according to estimates by the institute for fiscal studies. emily thornberry says it's necessary to ensure there's enough money

to ensure there's enough money to feed schoolchildren. >> what we need to do is we need to raise the money in order to make sure that children going to state schools have had breakfast. that's what our priority is, and we need to raise the money from somewhere and what we're going to do is we are saying everything we're going to spend money on. we're saying where the money is coming from because we have a properly we will have a properly costed manifesto and all our spending commitments will be, will be costed and we will be able to say where it comes from. and sure, you know, there may well be complaints about it. i understand that, but i'm afraid that if i have a choice between putting vat on private schools and making sure that the children in my area can have breakfast before they start learning, i know where i am . learning, i know where i am. >> a crackdown on people claiming benefits could save around £12 billion a year. that's according to a plan set out by the conservative party. it would see more people told to find work, including some who received disability payments . received disability payments. the prime minister has also pledged to tackle what he's

called sick note culture. it would mean gps are no longer able to sign people off work with specialist workplace health professionals, given the responsibility instead. labour called it a vague promise that won't get britain healthy or bnng won't get britain healthy or bring benefits under control . bring benefits under control. time spent waiting for an ambulance would be cut under a plan set out by the liberal democrats. it would see an extra thousand staffed hospital beds, which the party says would help end excessive handover delays and patients having to wait in corridors for treatment. the party says the proposals would be funded through an upfront capital investment of £280 million to expand urgent treatment centres. liberal democrat leader sir ed davey says urgent action is needed to fix britain's health care . fix britain's health care. >> seen in some parts of the country, people's loved ones dying before the ambulance has arrived. we've seen queues at hospitals as ambulances waiting to hand over their patients, and something has to be done. we've

got a comprehensive package to turn around this mess. the conservatives made of ambulance services , and that starts with services, and that starts with extra beds, extra thousand beds in our hospitals. but it also links up to our care policies so people can come out of hospitals more quickly when they're ready to . to. >> and the world's grumpiest duckis >> and the world's grumpiest duck is celebrating his 90th birthday today and can't pull through . donald duck, famous for through. donald duck, famous for his raspy speech and sometimes short temper, made his debut on this day way back in 1934. in a short cartoon titled the wise little hen, tony anselmo, who's voiced the classic disney character since 1985, thinks donald has become even more relevant over the years, possibly thanks to the frustrations of modern life . for frustrations of modern life. for the latest stories, sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the

qr code on your screen or you can go to gb news. comment. now back to . nana. back to. nana. >> thank you tatiana. it is fast approaching seven minutes after 4:00. this is gb news. we are britain's election channel. i'm nana akua now. of course, on thursday we had d—day to commemorate those who we've lost in battle. a war that resulted in battle. a war that resulted in the freedoms that we have today. now, i'm not going to dwell on the absence of our prime minister for the entire national part of the day, as he himself has acknowledged his error. i will even ignore the leader of the free world, joe biden, attempting to sit on an imaginary chair. even that, or something less savoury is happening . i don't even want to happening. i don't even want to think about that. come on america , wake up. he can't america, wake up. he can't possibly stand again. he's practically sitting. no, i want to focus on the brave veterans

who, for this may well be their last d—day they attend, and our brilliant royal family. our veterans exemplify love and of country and bravery. who today would who today would be prepared to take up arms and show the courage they showed to protect queen and country and the dignity shown by our royal family. many moons ago there was a rivalry between the king and prince william, but that seems to have all but vanished. and in its place, respect apparently the king, before he took up the role after the passing of the queen, used to get annoyed if william and catherine overshadowed him in the media. but looking at the special bond they have today , you can see they have today, you can see that it's been replaced with a mutual admiration . and whilst mutual admiration. and whilst the royal family and the british people pay their respects to the d—day veterans in the background, prince harry is appealing against his appeal for the same level of security he received being a working royal whilst not being a working royal. rumour has it that he is

planning a world tour and if this is true, i'm not sure why. like i said, he's not a working royal. he will want security on his recent faux royal tour this was paid for, as i understand it, by nigeria, where they had to stand for the national anthem . awkward. i suspect that if he were to win his case at the same level of royal protection as working royals, this will mean the british taxpayer could well have to stump up the cash. i'm not sure that that will go down well. now, a spokesperson for the sussexes has previously said the sussexes has previously said the duke is not asking for preferential treatment, but for a fair and lawful application of revix own rules, ensuring that he receives the same consideration as others in accordance with revix own written policy. in february 2020, ravec failed to apply its written policy to the duke of sussex and excluded him from a particular risk analysis. the spokesperson went to on say the duke's case is that the

so—called bespoke process that appues so—called bespoke process that applies to him is no substitute for the risk analysis . the duke for the risk analysis. the duke of sussex hopes that he will obtain justice from the court of appeal obtain justice from the court of appeal, and makes no further comment. whilst the case is ongoing . look, harry, you're ongoing. look, harry, you're minted surely you've made enough slagging your family off in the back of your , on the back of back of your, on the back of your royal credentials to pay for your own security. surely you can pay for your own if you want to travel. you're not doing it in a royal capacity. honestly. take a leaf out of your brother's book. stop fighting everybody and show some respect to the british people and the institution that gave you your privilege . right before you your privilege. right before we get stuck into the debate, here's what else is coming up today for the great british debate this hour. i'm asking, would ditching net zero get your vote? that's as both parties commit to britain's decarbonisation, but argue over the timeline . so for the great the timeline. so for the great british debate this hour, i'm asking would ditching it actually get your vote? then at 450, its worldview will cross live to los angeles to speak to

paul duddridge, the host of the politics people podcast, to get the latest on donald trump and joe biden as the us presidential race heats up at five, my outside guests choose a mystery. this week, she tells a story of being born in a tiny flat in paddington to performing in a world of world renowned shows. but who is she, drop some clues throughout that is coming up in the next hour. as ever , send me the next hour. as ever, send me your views, post your comments gbnews.com/yoursay see . right, gbnews.com/yoursay see. right, let's get started. let's welcome again to my panel, broadcaster and journalist danny kelly, and also chair of the republicans overseas, greg swenson . welcome, overseas, greg swenson. welcome, greg. nice to see you. great to be here. you're like twins is why we called each other. look at them. they're like we touched base this morning so we could dress this. they got the memo and i got the pink memo as well. everyone's in pink. >> pink? yeah, yeah, yeah. >> pink? yeah, yeah, yeah. >> no, no, not just that, but you've got the same shirt and

jacket. >> yes. interchangeable. it's like looking in a mirror really, isn't it? >> not quite interchangeable, danny. >> i mean, i'm five xls. >> my called danny's a go with the pink american counterpart is a lot slimmer than myself. >> it'll be like the incredible hulk if you try on his shirt. i'm bursting at the seams. >> no, no. yeah. no, no, i mean, he's just slightly bigger than you. that's all right. so, danny, i'm going to start with you, what do you think about the first of all, d—day? >> yeah, yeah, i was glued to the telly. it was remarkable television. it was quite a juxtaposition about the brave paratroopers having to, once they landed on french soil, having to form an orderly queue and display and show their passports. how embarrassing . you passports. how embarrassing. you know. okay. how bureaucratically embarrassing . it's almost like embarrassing. it's almost like they did it just to give us a bloody nose about brexit. i noficed bloody nose about brexit. i noticed the yanks apparently didn't have to show any passports. so why the brits? it's crazy. bearing in mind what d—day the commemorations were all about. so many people losing their lives to free france and i thought it was unnecessary. >> it was almost comedic that

they suddenly got up this little laptops and they started doing the button. i was like, what? what the hell is happening here? >> what's going on? it was just unnecessary. so bad form. >> yeah, it was really bad. >> yeah, it was really bad. >> it was poignant because you're right, this was a landmark commemoration. it was 80 years. and unfortunately, the next landmark will be 90 years. and i can't imagine many of those brave soldiers still being alive. great. god bless them . alive. great. god bless them. >> yeah, i thought it was an interesting event. and biden actually got through his speech, which was remarkable. you know, but he stuck to the teleprompter. but i noticed that there's a lot of comparisons between biden's speech for the 80th and reagan's great speech. the boys of pondhawk for in at the 40th anniversary. and they wrote it to kind of look like reagan's speech, but it's just that's not going to work, is it? no, it's not, because it's not just the words or the eloquence of the words which biden has done, but also the context and credibility. you know, there's the lack of power, the lack of leadership and then that fit with what the hell was he doing? >> greg? then he's your

president. what the hell was he doing? >> i can't defend it. >> i can't defend it. >> i can't defend it. >> i don't know, maybe he was like his knees were were gently collapsing. >> perhaps he's he's a he's an elderly gentleman. perhaps he was . was. >> it's like the tendons in his legs were, you know, he was gently it lost the elasticity. >> he was straining in some way. i like to think he was just trying to sit in an imaginary chair. >> that's what we're all saying. >> that's what we're all saying. >> but why did he do, like, a 90 degree turnaround then everybody else felt compelled to follow him. >> i mean, he's done the handshake where he turns to someone and tries to shake their hand, but so it was a if it was an attempt to compare to reagan. >> oh, he's doing it now to say the least. do watch on screen if you can. >> ls the man doing? >> ls the man doing? >> not a great moment. >> not a great moment. >> i mean, you know, then then those next few macron and the others, they're all trying to look sort of serious. but this idea that in the room crack up, it's when they when the other three followed him, they turned around. >> they thought, right, well look, he's looking at something. i best look to see what he's looking at. >> this is this is only a year after he felt it was mental. he

fell down at the us. i feel bad for me. graduation >> i mean, if that were me and i was there, i would just be on my back going, yeah, could you imagine it? and they'd be like, no, no, no, no, queer. and i would just be on my back. i'd be laughing out loud, then everybody would be doing it. but i don't want to laugh at him because obviously he's obviously ill. but the funny part of it is, is the fact that they're trying to convince us that he's perfectly okay, perfectly lucid. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> and he's not. >> and he's not. >> the bar has been lowered so much so that just because he was able to deliver a well written speech, everybody's clapping like he's, you know, a rock star all of a sudden. and again, it's just the huge mistake to try to compare him to reagan because now it's brought up some of the reagan memories, right? when he delivered that that speech in 84, you know, he had just unleashed the greatest economic recovery or economic expansion in, in history. and then he also had gdp, you know , 6% of gdp for had gdp, you know, 6% of gdp for defence spending. he had this great military expansion. so he

was delivering the speech from a position of strength. i think he is still thinking about he's still laughing at me. >> i shouldn't laugh nice. >> i shouldn't laugh nice. >> we're trying to be kind and just but just argue that he was trying to say. >> it's interesting to hear reagan being introduced into this, because i'd never heard that. and when you when you think of ronald reagan, you automatically think of margaret thatcher and the relation, the iron lady, and then you automatically think about what rishi sunak did and would margaret thatcher leave early? >> we see that's the thing. i was beginning to miss those days. now which is interesting. but yeah, no, but but i don't think it's fair to sort of pile on to rishi sunak, even though i know what he did was wrong and he knows what he did was wrong. but he's admitted it, he's apologised. i know it was totally wrong. it does show a lack of sort of empathy with the british people in a way, or that he's not on the same wavelength. and i think that is quite an exposing thing that happened there. but i don't think it's fair to continually go on and on about it, even though i mentioned it in my monologue and i said i wouldn't go on about it. but in the meantime, whilst

this is all happening, we see the king. the king looking really not not to prepared sit still even though he has been diagnosed with cancer. i was lovely to see him and william and prince harry. >> you mentioned in your opening monologue as well. >> we've got about a minute. >> we've got about a minute. >> he's doing a world tour. what is he think he is the rolling stones or something, a world toun stones or something, a world tour, apparently. >> this is the rumour that's going. so i suspect this could be why he's trying to sort out his security, but he's failed his security, but he's failed his appeal. and it's like you failed. just use the money that you are spending on the courts to pay for your own security . to pay for your own security. >> i think he wants armed security, though. and unlike america, i mean , i don't mean to america, i mean, i don't mean to disagree with you after five minutes, but thankfully we don't have the right to bear arms. i know that you have a different view on that. so in the in the uk, i don't think you need armed security. no, you haven't got lunatics running around with guns. yes. >> you do not unless you're the queen or the king or a working member of the royal family which he isn't. so wherever he travels is kind of a holiday. so why you should be protected when you're going on a jaunt doing this or you're doing that, you know, and they will determine as and when

what kind of protection he can get. but i, i don't think he i think this is very ungracious. >> yeah. he's the one who dropped out the royal family and moved to america . and now he moved to america. and now he wants protection from the british taxpayers. it just doesn't sound. doesn't smell right at all. >> no, it's just quite odd, isn't it? very odd. yeah. very odd.he isn't it? very odd. yeah. very odd. he should just go back, enjoy his millions and just enjoy his millions and just enjoy his millions and just enjoy his life with his lovely wife and his kids. >> i mean, montecito, most people would would love that lifestyle. >> so just enjoy it, harry, for goodness sake. right stay tuned though, because it's time for the great british giveaway and your chance to make this summer really special. with over £16,000 worth of prizes to be won that is 15 grand in cash and a whole host of treats , but you a whole host of treats, but you have to be in it to win it. so here's how we're making this summer funner with three incredible prizes to be won. >> first, a fantastic £15,000 in tax free cash that you can spend on anything you like. next, there's the latest iphone 15 with a brand new set of apple airpods and finally, £500 to

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election ? and also what about election? and also what about net zero? would that get your vote if it were scrapped

good afternoon. 22 minutes after 4:00. this is gb news. if you're just tuned in. where have you been? i'm nana akua. we're live on tv, online and on digital radio. also, don't forget, you can download the gb news app where you can check out all the programmes here on the channel. but it's time now for the great british debate this hour and i'm asking would ditching net zero get your vote? energy secretary claire coutinho has claimed that labour's mission to hit net zero carbon emissions in britain's energy supply by 2030 is unrealistic, and risks plunging the country into darkness. she talks of blackouts. technologies in different are in different development to capture the surplus energy generated through

renewables , such as wind renewables, such as wind turbines and solar panels. but mr coutinho says that such tech isn't ready and without it, labour risks unleashing wide pubuc labour risks unleashing wide public unrest . so keir starmer public unrest. so keir starmer has pledged to fast track wind and solar power projects in order to reduce the country's reliance on fossil fuels within six years, whereas the tories are aiming for 11 years. but this is a time frame irrelevant. and would we, as a country even be? should we even be pursuing net zero at all? so for the great british debate this start, i'm asking would ditching net zero get your vote? well joining me now, former home office minister norman baker. jim dale senior meteorologist from the british weather services, and henry bolton, border security expert at. right. i'm going to start with you , jim dale start with you, jim dale ditching net zero. is it time to do it? good afternoon . do it? good afternoon. >> is it time to do it? >> is it time to do it? >> it's past the time to do it. to be honest with you. >> i tell you what. yeah, i'll tell you what's happening here. the tories coutinho, she's she's basically chasing chasing not to

be last place. in other words between reforming themselves in terms of who's going to come up with the most stupidest policy, and they're going in that direction just as they did at the local council elections and the local council elections and the mayoral elections. and look what happened. there was a big, big test in london. and it fell apart for the tories, particularly with ulez . but particularly with ulez. but climate change was a big issue. it's still a big issue. it's not before time that we're talking about it. i'm really glad that we are talking about it. much more needs to be done, even by the labour party, who are probably, at the front of this in terms of moving in that direction. i hope they move faster. i've got my own six point manifesto, which i won't mention here, but nonetheless , mention here, but nonetheless, i'll try and push whoever wins this general election in that direction . and, it's good to direction. and, it's good to it's good to be talking about it anyway . anyway. >> yeah, but, what claire is pointing out is that. well, we'll be we'll have blackouts because a lot of the energy generated in this renewable form is we're not able to capture it yet. so, for example, one of the

things collecting the electricity from the wind farms , electricity from the wind farms, a lot of it is wasted. we would need to build hundreds of miles of pylons, which we don't have, and we're unlikely to have that by 2030. jim >> yeah. well, look, i've always said on your program and this is an evolution, not a revolution. and by the way, renewables , if and by the way, renewables, if you look at the way that they're moving in terms of the direction of travel, they're replacing coal, of travel, they're replacing coal , which of travel, they're replacing coal, which is virtually non—existent now as a, as a power source in the uk , very power source in the uk, very often, certainly in the last 3 or 4 months, it's been the renewables have been taught and the other things have been and that's, you know, that is the direction of travel. so this this is just this is just sounding off by but she's saying that the time span. >> but but but they are both going in the same direction. her point is that the time span would mean that we'd have blackouts because we are not ready. norman baker we won't have blackouts. >> that's just an absolute scare story. and the move towards net zero is sensible for three reasons. first of all, there is a climate emergency, whether

people like it or not. secondly it's absolutely sensible to make sure we aren't dependent upon overseas sources from dodgy countries like russia for our energy . and by getting our own energy. and by getting our own energy. and by getting our own energy generation levels up, we avoid that. and thirdly, actually, renewables will be in many cases are already cheaper per unit, which will help reduce bills. >> well, you know, but a lot of them currently now are being subsidised, which is why they're kind of cheaper at the moment. >> well all round though. >> well all round though. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> but enormous. >> but enormous. >> but enormous. >> but the, the point that claire is making is again that we do not have the infrastructure in place to reach it by 2030. so she's not saying that we shouldn't head there, but she's saying that basically we haven't got things in place, what do you think, henry ? what do you think, henry? >> well, i think that she's right . look, labour are saying right. look, labour are saying that they're not going to raise taxes. the conservatives are saying that they will. look, if you're going to ramp this up, increase the timeline as labour are proposing,

increase the timeline as labour are proposing , then you are are proposing, then you are going to have to spend massive amounts of money to do it. massive and resources, which also costs. so it's going to be i simply don't think it's feasible . and we've got an feasible. and we've got an economy that is already struggling and i'm not. gdp is higher, but gdp per capita is not increasing as well. and the reason for that , well, what that reason for that, well, what that tells us is that ordinary people are struggling. their, their, their cost of living is increasing compared to what their income is. so we've got to be very careful of that. the pubuc be very careful of that. the public can't take much more . and public can't take much more. and when we've got an economy that is actually creating so little in the way of global emissions, i think that we've got to pace ourselves sensibly, maturely , ourselves sensibly, maturely, and you know that i'm not saying that net zero is not a good mission to pursue, but is it? i am saying, but he's got to pursue it. but but is it at a at a pace that is sensible and does not put undue pressure on the economy and ordinary people? >> but henry, already the, the

nobody's really questioning the actual premise of net zero. some people are and slightly being silenced by it. but no. why is no one even questioning the premise of it as to whether there may even be other things that we haven't realised may be affecting the warming of the globe, or whether, in fact, the earth will actually warm in any case. and a lot of people are of that point of view. some people think that global global warming is a natural phenomena, and that there's very little that we can do to stop it from happening . do to stop it from happening. and the earth itself will cool itself and get itself to the right temperatures, some of which we may not be able to exist. but if we are going to put technologies in place, the technologies we're using, if we're planning to do it at an arbitrary date of 2030, we will suffer greatly. jim dale, that is the problem. >> surely we have to care a lot faster than even 2030. if you look out your window, you can see what's going on in austria yesterday. cars floating rich austria, okay, wealthy austria, cars floating down the street in huge floods. we've seen it so many times in the last few months and years, but we're not

in austria. >> and i looked out my window and it was warm but freezing. and what month are we in? it's may, is it? yeah, yeah. is it may, is it? yeah, yeah. is it may or june? is june isn't it? may orjune? is june isn't it? it's june. it's supposed to be summer. >> summer. >> there are people who live in a padded cell who don't don't even look beyond that, to be honest with you. let's make. >> what's your point, jim? is that where you live, you prevent it is a global event, not a uk event. >> and therefore you've got to look more widespread. you've got to look at what's going on. we've had 12 months of 1.5 degrees c, surpassed. that was the ipcc level where they said we don't need to pass that 12 months in a row. ocean temperature is going in the same direction. i say to you, now watch this summer, you watch the catastrophes going around the globe and, and by the way, in terms of the movement of this, i think and i pick it up on on henry's point about we it's the right direction. i think the labour party more or less got it wrong. i want them to go faster. but they're, they're they're, you know, they're pulled back a little bit now you want them to hold on. >> you want them to go faster. but that's not possible because the infrastructure isn't there. and again i come back to claire

coutinho's point is that as much as if you really believe in net zero and you think that is the way forward, then you have to acknowledge that in order to get there, you have to have the infrastructure in place, which it isn't there now. so i'm wondering if claire is right that actually we will we won't be able to harness the energy if we get rid of our current sources too quickly that we won't be able to harness the energy, norman baker well, look, i mean, we've just had a couple of years of energy shocks of pnces of years of energy shocks of prices going through the roof, largely because of, for example, the ukraine war, where we've been dependent upon imports of gas from dodgy parts of the world, and we're not in control of that. >> if we get renewables and indeed energy conservation. millom talked about up and running, then in fact, we deal with that issue. we get more stability and it will be cheapen stability and it will be cheaper. prices will come down for people if we invest in renewables and energy conservation. that's the truth of the matter. >> yeah, you would think. but what energy company have you ever known that allows the pnces ever known that allows the prices to go down? henry bolton have you ever seen energy prices go down, even if we are owning

the source? >> no, i haven't, i haven't. and look, you know, jim has said this is a global problem. yes. so we need to deal with it globally. what about china? what about india? what about the emerging economies that are the main the major source of the problem ? now that's one thing. problem? now that's one thing. the other thing though, is when we think about our own policy, what's seriously lacking is a national energy strategy . one of national energy strategy. one of the reasons norman's just talked about the ukraine—russia war and indeed and things going on in the middle east that raises the price of energy. but also, what about our national storage capacity? we didn't have anything like when that war hit in ukraine. we had nothing like the storage capacity that other countries have. and that then meant made sure that we suffered a shock rather than being able to cushion the economy accordingly. so there's a much broader issue here. >> so you think so, henry, you believe that we should pursue net zero, but at a slow or fast pace , slower or much, much pace, slower or much, much slower, much slower and

obviously norman, slow or fast as we possibly can. and jim dale i >> -- >> yeah, exactly the same as we can. let's get there fast. >> we can stop the irrespective of the cost of the consumer or the fact that we may well have blackouts. >> as we know, blackouts in the canbbean >> as we know, blackouts in the caribbean will go down. okay. >> all right. well, listen, listen, we've got to go to the news, but thank you very much, henry. border security expert, jim dale, senior meteorologist for british weather services. and norman baker, a former home office minister, right . well, office minister, right. well, you're with me. i'm nana akua. this is gb news. it is fast approaching 33 minutes after 4:00. we're live on tv, online and on digital radio. we will continue with the great british debate. i'm asking, would ditching net zero get your vote? you'll hear the thoughts of my panel you'll hear the thoughts of my panel, greg svensson and also danny kelly. still to come by. outside guest. we're talking highs, lows and lessons learned. she's a comedian . she's she's a she's a comedian. she's she's a founder of the jongleurs comedy company . and she arrived in this company. and she arrived in this country in the uk as a polish refugee. who is she? first, let's get your latest news headunes let's get your latest news headlines with tatiana sanchez .

headlines with tatiana sanchez. >> nana, thank you very much and good afternoon. the top stories from the gb newsroom. michael mosley's wife says she's devastated after his body was found on the greek island where they'd been on holiday. doctor claire bailey mosley described her husband as wonderful, claire bailey mosley described her husband as wonderful , funny, her husband as wonderful, funny, kind and brilliant. and she said the family takes comfort in the fact that he nearly made it to safety after an incredible climb. doctor mosley, who was 67, was with his wife and friends at a beach on the island of symi on wednesday before setting off alone for a walk . setting off alone for a walk. his body was found around mid—morning today beneath a fence that runs around a bar on aghia marina beach, which is surrounded by hilly, rocky terrain . in other news, the terrain. in other news, the conservatives are setting out a plan to save around £12 billion a year by tightening the criteria for those who claim benefits. it would see more people told to find work, including some who received

disability payments. the prime minister has also pledged to tackle what he's called sick note culture. it would mean gps are no longer able to sign people off work with specialist workplace health professionals, given the responsibility. instead, labour called it a vague promise that won't get britain healthy or bring benefits under control . benefits under control. meanwhile, labour is pledging to alleviate some of the pressure on overcrowded prisons by adding 14,000 new places. the proposal would see some prisons classified as sites of national importance , so ministers can importance, so ministers can take control of planning decisions. it comes after some inmates were released early due to severe overcrowding across the prison system. labour leader sir keir starmer says the problem is getting worse . problem is getting worse. >> well, i am critical of the tories early release scheme because what's happened is that they're releasing early prisoners who should still be in prison, and that's a shocking

state of affairs. and like the many problems that they have left for the country, if we do come into power, we're going to have to fix it. now, that will involve building prisons . that involve building prisons. that will involve taking tough decisions, because the money's been allocated for prison building. but there are tough decisions about planning and getting those prisons up. but what we can't have is a continuation of this total mess . continuation of this total mess. >> and more from me at the top of the hour for the latest stories , sign up to gb news stories, sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen. or you can go to gb news. carmelites now it's back to . nana. back to. nana. >> thank you. tatiana. right, coming up , >> thank you. tatiana. right, coming up, it's world view time. we cross live to los angeles to speak to the host of the politics people podcast, but next it's time for the great british debate. this hour i'm asking, would ditching net zero get your vote to pull up right now on x, you that very question? send me your thoughts. email gbnews.com/yoursay

39 minutes after 4:00. this is gb news. britain's election channel. i'm nana akua. we are live on tv, online and on digital radio. lots of you have been getting in touch. by the way, ken says solar panels made in china then transported across the world. work that out. it's a really good point. keep them coming. gbnews.com/yoursay. let's continue with the great british debate this hour. i'm asking, would ditching net zero get your vote? energy secretary claire coutinho has claimed labour's mission to hit net zero carbon emissions in britain's energy supply by 2030 is unrealistic and risks plunging the country into darkness . sir the country into darkness. sir keir has pledged to fast track wind and solar power projects in order to reduce the country's reliance on fossil fuels within six years. the tories are aiming for 11 years. but is the timetable irrelevant, really, and should we just look at this and should we just look at this and stop pursuing this goal of net zero? so for the great

british debate this hour, i'm asking would ditching net zero get your vote? well, joining me now is chair of republicans overseas, greg swenson, also broadcaster and journalist danny kelly danny kelly net zero. yeah i think that it's a great policy to have. >> sorry to get the vote if they ditched it. do you think they should the question oh forgive me. yeah. if they came up with an alternative to net zero i think it's a great policy. i think it's a great policy. i think overwhelmingly the public mood is that net zero is unrealistic. it's unreasonable. it's the futility of it. when you look at the rest of the planet, i think it's a great policy. and i don't think that if you were to vote for it, it doesn't make you a bad person. it just makes you a realistic. >> so, so, so the question is would ditching it? but their policy, labour's policy is to bnng policy, labour's policy is to bring it in in 4 or 5 years and make sure that, you know, 20, 30 is their reign for net zero, whereas claire coutinho is saying at least 11 years. so they're both parties are pursuing the path of net zero. but one is pursuing the path faster. >> i think the closer you get to these deadlines, i think they'll be pushed back even further. i

think it's great to have a deadune think it's great to have a deadline because that gives people certainty. but the closer you get, then it will be pushed back. and i think pushing back is the right thing to do. >> okay, great. >> okay, great. >> well, i think scrapping it permanently would be the real vote getter. it's a boutique issue. it's an issue for the halls of westminster and the salons of chelsea. and, you know, the upper east side of manhattan. but if you care about your your voters and your taxpayers, you should liberate the private sector . and also the private sector. and also that includes the energy sector, you know, only only the parties of the left in america can get this kind of insanity accomplished. now we hear in england, the party of the right put net zero in policy in place, which is astonishing, isn't it? fracking bans and windfall taxes on energy companies. these are the things that biden could only dream of . and so, yeah, i think dream of. and so, yeah, i think in both countries, scrapping it would be the best vote getter. it's a boutique issue. >> it's a boutique issue, he says. right. well, this shows nothing without you and your

views. let's welcome our great british voices, their opportunity to get on the show and tell us what they think about the topics we're discussing today . i've got discussing today. i've got miranda richardson, the miranda richardson, she's a miranda richardson, she's a miranda richardson . miranda, you look richardson. miranda, you look great. your hair. you're fabulous. darling nana. yeah. love it darling. >> you know, fabulous . >> you know, fabulous. >> you know, fabulous. >> so, miranda, what do you think, then? is it time for them to just scrap it all together? because, you know, ones are doing it in five years, the other ones 11 years, yet , you other ones 11 years, yet, you know, is it realistic? >> you know, it's not realistic . >> you know, it's not realistic. like here we are halfway through 2024. so. so that's that year out of the way. you know only five more years then until they think they want to be able to bnng think they want to be able to bring it in. when we talk about infrastructure in order to reach net zero we are nowhere near it. so two all over again, you know, and pushing it back. yeah. ideal and pushing it back. yeah. ideal. i think we still need to look at something . of course we look at something. of course we do. but net zero. are we ever going to get to zero? i don't think we are, because we're still going to be needing to manufacture goods. we're still going to be needing to make

things potentially still needing to import things from china. so it's just not realistic enough. and again, i think it's something that they , they sit on something that they, they sit on nicely, they can throw out there. they can look great. you know with climate change and how it's happening. we're all starting to do a lot more than we ever used to. we know that should they just need to be realistic, which they're never they never are . they never are. >> should they leave? should they leave it to market forces? because if they're saying we should do it, if it's going to save me money, i might choose myself to get solar panels. i might myself choose to get an electric car. i might i'm not unlikely ever to do that, but i might myself do that. if i think there's a financial benefit to me personally, surely it should be down to the consumer to determine whether they want to go in that direction, and they may need to make it appetising for us. >> of course it does. and that's what's going to happen. you know, our energy bills aren't getting any cheaper, funnily enough. you know, we're not seeing anything come down. you know, the areas that people are still massively struggling in. the biggest cost is energy . and the biggest cost is energy. and you talk to anybody that's out there, that's what it is. and if

we're going to be forced into something, you know, i personally don't want an electric car personal choice, you know , i really don't want to you know, i really don't want to have to be forced that way because i think that's going to become a challenge in itself. you know, battery mechanisms, faults. you only have to drive any car. now that's kind of digital or any up to date car. the biggest thing that always goes wrong on it is the electrics. it's not the engine anymore. it's not the engine and the fuel, it's the electrics and your car's broken and you've got to start all over again. and people can't afford to, you know, and it's going to be no good that buying that second hand electric car is going to be worthless . yeah, so yeah, it's worthless. yeah, so yeah, it's got to be consumer led and it's and again , it's got to think of and again, it's got to think of the people, not just what they want to be able to sign up to, to look good. >> right? miranda richardson, thank you very much. this our miranda richardson, isn't she fabulous looking fabulous looking very glam. well this is gb news. so yeah. would it get your vote if they said they were actually going to scrap it? i think i'd almost be tempted because i'm slightly fed up with it. i don't actually believe in

a lot of it, because a lot of it seems very counterproductive. just as ken said, solar panels made in china then transported across the world worked that out. how is that, you know, climate efficient ? anyway? what climate efficient? anyway? what do you think? gbnews.com/yoursay i'm nana akua. this is gb news coming up. we'll also be discussing . is it right to run discussing. is it right to run roughshod over planning laws to build more prisons? that's a proposal that keir starmer is making. but next worldview. we'll speak paul duddridge. he's host of the politics

good afternoon. this is gb news. we are the people's channel, britain's election channel. i'm nana akua, and it's time for worldview . let's cross over to worldview. let's cross over to america for an update on what's going on. and speak to the host of the politics people podcast. paul duddridge and find out what's happening. paul duddridge, right, i just want to briefly start with a bit of joe biden and the bending thing that he did on the d—day ceremony.

did you see any of that? >> i did, i did , yes, it's he's >> i did, i did, yes, it's he's being it's being rather unkindly attributed to a bodily function. i think even we might be being too cruel with that. i think that , if you too cruel with that. i think that, if you had they didn't have the microphones up so you couldn't hear him go. >> oh, so i think that something was lost in the translation. >> i think it's particularly unkind to claim not only is he i'm not going to use any , i'm not going to use any, flavourless words, but it's that he's doing it in public. >> i think we've gone too far with this. >> now, look, do you think he is a i mean, his wife is his wife. put her hand on her nose and macron appeared to slightly turn his head away. i mean, i don't know i don't know what that's about. know i don't know what that's about . i feel bad for know i don't know what that's about. i feel bad for him. but, you know, if they're going to hold him up there as a leader of the free world, then they have to acknowledge that we, you know, this is like the emperor with no clothes. we can see. i mean, right, well, thank god he has got clothes . has got clothes. >> and literally holding him up, i think is the point you're

making. they are now literally pegging making. they are now literally pegging him and pinning him by the look of it. and i'm not sure that's his wife. i think that's a carer at this point. but, yes, it was. it definitely made the news over here. well let's start with trump and his gun license to be revoked . what's that about. >> well it was in all the papers that there was some sort of kangaroo court a few weeks ago where they decided to find him guilty of , i know, stamps where they decided to find him guilty of, i know, stamps or something. i don't even know what he's supposed to have done . what he's supposed to have done. nobody does, and so now they want to take his gun license away from him in new york. the operation is to entirely defenestrate and humiliate president trump and so new york is now now they've got the conviction. they're now seeking to revoke his gun license because, as we know , only the because, as we know, only the sons, only the drug addicted sons, only the drug addicted sons of presidents can actually have a gun, but mind you, hunter's on trial for that at the moment, but, they're looking to revoke his gun license. president trump's gun license in new york, because you can't be a

you can't have a felony conviction and hold a gun in new york. you have to be an unlicensed criminal. only the criminals may have guns in, in new york. >> is that right? greg greg's saying. that's right. i've got greg sansom with me, greg? >> no, absolutely. that's right. and it's ironic that that the judge in this case, but especially the da alvin bragg is known for reducing felonies to misdemeanours. and then he finds this bookkeeping entry misdemeanour and elevates it to a felony. but they're not enforcing gun laws in new york city. so they have strict gun laws. it's a very blue state. so they love to overregulate, but they love to overregulate, but they don't enforce it. so the bad only the bad guys have guns, only the bad guys have guns. >> crikey. well, paul, doesn't it seem, though, that now a lot of people are saying that because trump is now a felon, people are more likely after this conviction ? they're more this conviction? they're more likely some of the independent voters are more likely to vote for him. >> more likely. can you imagine? they're more likely to vote for him? this is a brilliant thing. i mean, i follow these polls every day like i'm doing stock

picks, independent voters in georgia, when polled, are now 21% more likely to vote for him because of the conviction. what a beautiful country this is. isn't that hilarious? i think 16% were less likely, 21% more likely because of the conviction. god, i love this country . country. >> can he can he overturn the verdict if he becomes the president , no, because this is president, no, because this is why they did it in a the president only got control over the federal. however you say that the judge this week, the judge who presided over this has let both sides know that there has been evidence that perhaps somebody there could be a mistrial. there would have been evidence for a mistrial. you can't have a mistrial after a verdict. however, somebody's cousin claiming to be, jurors cousin claiming to be, jurors cousin on facebook said , you're cousin on facebook said, you're going to get trump. thank you for all your hard work. the judge has let everybody know this, and this could be grounds for a mistrial. jury tampering.

and so it wouldn't be a mistrial because it's a verdict, but it could vacate the conviction. so the president can't overturn a state, but it could go to the supreme court, and that's where it'll be overturned. it will be overturned ultimately. >> so . so where are we with, >> so. so where are we with, trump's polling at the moment? >> oh, he's back up. he's back up in some states now. he's gone up up in some states now. he's gone up like five points ahead now. it's very, very interesting. there was i have to say, there was a wobble right after the conviction. there was a wobble. and the more like i said, look at the independents. i think there are more people registered independent now than either of the main parties. if you look at the main parties. if you look at the independents, i was joking about the 21% more as you scrutinise this result and as your contributor was just saying, this misdemeanour was elevated to being a felony. people are looking at it going, sorry, you prosecuted a president criminally for this. and so it's had a bounce. it's had a positive trump bounce 5. he's polling ahead 3% before the

conviction. so it's very, very interesting. the positive effect it's had sounds fascinating. >> paul duddridge, thank you so much. always a pleasure. paul duddridge, host of the politics people podcast, with his update on things going on stateside. this is dup news. stay tuned. still on the way, i'm joined by my outside guest. he's a stand up comedian and the founder of jongleurs comedy club. but who is she? >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar , sponsors of weather on . solar, sponsors of weather on. gb news. >> hello and welcome to your gb news weather update brought to you by the met office. well, there'll still be plenty of sunshine to end the weekend, but from monday it is going to be turning a little bit cloudier. for today though, we've still got plenty of high pressure building across the uk which is dominating the weather. notice the frontal system moving into the frontal system moving into the northwest and a slight squeeze in the isobars, so turning a little bit breezier across scotland for the evening, though still plenty of late evening sunshine across central and southern parts of the uk.

turning cloudier from the north, though with some rain and drizzle moving into the northwest, and this could be a little bit heavy across northwestern hills for most, though quite cloudy and mild night on offer, most towns and cities not really dropping below double digits, but a little bit cooler under the clear spells in the very far south. so a brighter start across the south, but it is generally going to be clouding over through the course of the morning largely dry. but we will start to see some rain and drizzle feed in into northern parts of wales and parts of northern england, and quite a cloudy picture across northern ireland and the rest of northern england, still with the odd spot of rain and drizzle, but generally brightening up across parts of aberdeenshire, though we will start to see some showers move in from the west across the northern isles. so a bit of a mixed picture to start the new working week, but generally it's going to be quite a cloudy picture as well. still, with the odd spot of rain and drizzle moving into the northwest. by the time we reach the afternoon, we will start to see some sunshine poke through the cloud, particularly across scotland, where we will see

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as we get it . this developing breaking story as we get it. in other this developing breaking story as we get it . in other news, as we get it. in other news, michael mosley's wife says she's devastated after his body was found on the greek island where they'd been on holiday. doctor claire bailey mosley described her husband as wonderful, funny, kind and brilliant and said the family takes comfort in the fact that he nearly made it to safety after an incredible climb. doctor mosley, who was 67, was with his wife and friends at a beach on the island of symi on wednesday before setting off alone for a walk . wednesday before setting off alone for a walk. his wednesday before setting off alone for a walk . his body was alone for a walk. his body was found around mid—morning today beneath a fence that runs around a bar on aghia marina beach, which is surrounded by hilly, rocky terrain . in other news, rocky terrain. in other news, labouris rocky terrain. in other news, labour is pledging to alleviate some of the pressure on overcrowded prisons with a plan to add 14,000 new places. it would see some prisons classified as sites of national importance, so ministers can take control of planning decisions. it comes after some inmates were released early due to severe overcrowding across the prison system. the

government previously promised to deliver 20,000 new prison places by the mid 2020s. just 6000 have been created, so far. labour leader sir keir starmer says the problem is getting w0 i'se. woi'se. >> worse. >> well, i am critical of the tories early release scheme because what's happened is that their releasing early prisoners who should still be in prison, and that's a shocking state of affairs and like the many problems that they have left for the country, if we do come into power, we're going to have to fix it. now, that will involve building prisons that will involve taking tough decisions because the money's been allocated for prison building. but there are tough decisions about planning and getting those prisons up. but what we can't have is a continuation of this total mess . total mess. >> a plan to force private schools to pay vat could lead to larger class sizes, according to the shadow attorney general. the policy is expected to raise £1.5 billion a year, to according

estimates by the institute for fiscal studies. emily thornberry says it's necessary to ensure there's enough to money feed school children. >> what we need to do is we need to raise the money in order to make sure that children going to state schools have had breakfast. that's what our priority is, and we need to raise the money from somewhere and what we're going to do is we are saying everything we're going to spend money on. we're saying where the money is coming from because we have a properly we will have a properly costed manifesto and all our spending commitments will be, will be costed and we will be able to say where it comes from. and sure, you know, there may well be complaints about it. i understand that, but i'm afraid that if i have a choice between putting vat on private schools and making sure that the children in my area can have breakfast before they start learning, i know where i am . learning, i know where i am. >> a crackdown on people claiming benefits could save around £12 billion a year, according to a plan set out by the conservative party. it would see more people told to find work , including some who receive

work, including some who receive disability payments. the prime minister has also pledged to tackle what he's called sick note culture. it would mean gps are no longer able to sign people off work with specialist workplace health professionals , workplace health professionals, given the responsibility instead. labour called it a vague promise that won't get britain healthy or bring benefits under control . and the benefits under control. and the world's grumpiest doug is celebrating his 90th birthday today and corach rambler happy through . donald duck, famous for through. donald duck, famous for his raspy speech and sometimes short temper, made his debut on this day way back in 1934. in a short cartoon titled the wise little hen, tony anselmo, who's voiced the classic disney character since 1985, thinks donald has become even more relevant over the years, possibly thanks to the frustrations of modern life . and

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comedian whose parents arrived in the uk as polish refugees. she now teaches comedy to help people improve their well—being, and she's also an entrepreneur and she's also an entrepreneur and a psychotherapist. then for the great british debate this houn the great british debate this hour, i'm asking, is it right to run roughshod over planning laws to build more prisons? the labour party has said that it would bypass the traditional planning process to build more, but some people see this as an overreach. i mean, what's next? is it a pylons and solar panels and everything else? next door to you? so for the great british debate this hour, i'm asking, is it right to run roughshod over planning laws to build more prisons as ever, send me your thoughts, post your comments gbnews.com. forward slash your say . right. so every sunday at say. right. so every sunday at about this time , just after about this time, just after five, i am joined by a celebrity, a former mp , or celebrity, a former mp, or someone who has had an extremely interesting career to take a look at life after the job. we talk highs, lows and lessons learned. what comes next on the

outside? and this week my guest you have to work out who she is has risen from a single room in paddington. born to polish refugees and living on a council estate to be the founder of a music company worth millions and now participates in anti—slave charity work worldwide. we'll be chatting about that . i'll talk chatting about that. i'll talk to her about that one. she now also teaches stand up comedy to improve wellbeing, having done several tv appearances and is developing her own comedy brand. she also set up jongleurs. who is she? did you get it? i'm joined by doctor maria zofia karpinska. hello welcome to the show. hi. >> and i'm a big fan of yours. >> and i'm a big fan of yours. >> oh thank you. oh, thanks. >> oh thank you. oh, thanks. >> i always watch your programme, so i'm delighted to be here. >> oh, thank you so much. now, listen, the elections are coming. we could all do with a bit of a laugh. >> i think we're desperate. >> i think we're desperate. >> and, you know, i've always said a i'm a big patriot. >> i'm so happy i'm in this country and, you know, i'm forever grateful that the british let me in, basically. and my parents fought at monte

cassino, you know , and after cassino, you know, and after that, they became they had a choice to go to america or canada or here, you know, it wasn't on a luxury cruise, by the way, but they chose to come to england . and i'm forever to england. and i'm forever grateful that i'm here. and that's why i've always worked. >> but comedy is the uk's or the british second language. >> who did you grow up listening to? who were your favourites when you were younger? oh dave allen oh yeah, and i met him. >> he used to come to the club, which was great, the two ronnies, two ronnies, but the marx brothers , i loved them, i marx brothers, i loved them, i loved harpo marx and anything sort of that made the family laugh because my family were, as a number of families are and were at that time, post—war, they were still suffering from they were still suffering from the repercussions. >> so not only did they have the trauma , they had the complex trauma, they had the complex trauma, they had the complex trauma because they'd lost their families. they were prisoners of war. >> they had to escape in a terrible way, you know? >> and my grandparents were tortured. my mother lost her first husband and lost all her

family. and then they've got to reconcile that. >> and when my family were laughing, it made it lighter. >> you think, oh , there's a way >> you think, oh, there's a way out of this. >> you know, we can get through this . and i think that's what this. and i think that's what sort of made me turn towards comedy. but my mother needed to get a job to help with the income and we ended up making christmas crackers. >> and in every christmas cracked a joke in there, the joke in it. >> and they were all those terrible jokes, but they were funny, you know? >> i mean, ijoke about funny, you know? >> i mean, i joke about the >> i mean, ijoke about the comedy of the political parties at the moment. it comedy of the political parties at the moment . it does feel like at the moment. it does feel like we are. i mean, a lot of it does, do but they don't mean to be funny. they don't. >> but i think if you look at, you know, and actually, let's go back to the history of the uk, the british and the crown always had one day a year where the court jester used to turn whatever the king had designated or queen had designated on its head.

or queen had designated on its head . and the british are so head. and the british are so good at laughing. yeah. and i was very lucky to be on the duke of edinburgh award board for women in business. >> but also when we were i used to talk to prince philip. >> he had a great sense of humour. i know he used to make the occasional faux pas, but all the occasional faux pas, but all the royal family had a great sense of humour and boy do they needit sense of humour and boy do they need it now. >> we do to get through all these difficult times. yeah, and we need it more and more with all the wokery that seems to have existed as well. you're not allowed to laugh at anything anymore. >> i know, and that's why when i do comedy, i always say that great line, you know, abandoned pc, all those that enter here, get out. >> if you if you don't like it, clear off, please. just remember this is the space. >> it's like therapy when you do therapy, people can say anything in the therapy room very often. >> they don't mean what they say. >> you know, i'm thinking of leaving my husband . they don't leaving my husband. they don't often mean that. >> they think they want to change the situation, but they have to have a to space speak

about that. and that's what comedy clubs do . if they are comedy clubs do. if they are well run, well organised and as a promoter, that's what i used to make sure that people had a nice space, that they were well looked after and that the comedians were well looked after, and then the comedians could get on stage and say what they wanted, including people that i know has got bad press, jerry sadowitz and people like that, that sam kinison, who came from the states and people that wouldn't be allowed today or are getting very bad press. but that's the space you should be able to say it. and it's all something that you say in your family. >> i mean, stand up is a different genre. it is a different genre. it is a different art form, and it's an incredibly , incredibly difficult incredibly, incredibly difficult art form. >> i would love to do stand up, although i don't. >> no, no, no. now that you've said that, i did stand up for ten minutes, for charity . said that, i did stand up for ten minutes, for charity. i did it for soldiering on in 2012, and i had six weeks to prepare. >> and from that i after that i was doing my phd and i wrote it

at the end that i want to teach people stand up because i think to learn how to use your own problems to turn them around and to actually deliver them in a different way is fantastic . different way is fantastic. >> so, i want to challenge you so that i can teach you stand up. >> no, i think if i'm. that's why i always say, who would come to my show, i would i do my show, i would , i would help show, i would, i would help organise that. >> people would come because you would be. >> we need people like you on stage. we need women like you that can speak out. you've got a great manner. >> you've got a great sense of great. i like her, she's great. she can come again. you come again. but it is that. >> can you actually handle the stage? >> and you can. >> and you can. >> of course you can. but it's not always just that. we can work on content. and if, as i say, i did it within six weeks and i've got a formula. >> all right, it's a deal i will teach you. amazing. i'll do it. i'll do it. and you guys, you you better come to this thing. you you better come to this thing or else i don't want to

be. and laugh when you're meant to laugh. laugh at the right bits of something so you can laugh. laugh now. so how did you come to set up john cleese? because that is a massive comedy branded. yes, it went global. everybody knows about it. >> yeah, and it was interesting coming back to, you know, my parents, my father said there's two things you shouldn't do. and we were talking earlier about leavesden asylum. i actually was training. >> i actually volunteered there to help with the mental health and so on, and help some of the patients there. and he said there were two things i shouldn't and mustn't do , which shouldn't and mustn't do, which i want desperately wanted to do. one was entertainment and one was mental health. and so i became a teacher , which is became a teacher, which is pretty much almost the same. >> but i carried on with that and i decided and to some extent, he was right, you know, you're not going to make money out of, you know, if you don't work hard. >> but i started jongleurs because i was in edinburgh and i knew and i saw a number of venues that were putting on five minutes of people's acts. >> and i thought, there's so

many acts i know that are brilliant. >> let me find a stage, because iused >> let me find a stage, because i used to put on shows at school and i found a stage in b attersea. battersea. >> i approached the owner and said, i want to hire this in fact, i got it for nothing because the business had changed hands and there was a problem there and i just build it and they came. wow. >> yeah. and it was crazy because i was going to call it kempinski's and chose jongleurs because why anthony glees? >> what does that mean? >> what does that mean? >> it actually means wandering minstrel. >> oh does it? >> oh does it? >> and at the beginning, i used to have people like benjamin zephaniah on there and geno washington and a lot of, you know, bands that would finish the shows. but gradually comedians would come through like paul merton, you know , rory like paul merton, you know, rory bremner was one of the early ones, you know, all of them. eddie izzard, there's so many that were just beginning to find their feet. so it started with political comedy, and then it got into as it grew into the 90s, you got people like jemmy carr and jack dee and all the

rest of the suited and booted. >> you've met them all, i presume? >> yeah, they were all there. >> yeah, they were all there. >> wow. >> wow. >> and then we. sorry >> and then we. sorry >> we grew from 1 to 8 and then 16. >> yeah. and were they. because this was a brand that was known around the world as a sort of a litmus paper for comedians. if you performed jongleurs, this was something where people would say, oh, actually, this person's been on there. >> yeah. and that's what happened when jemmy carr did his show. >> when he first got paid, he said, that's it. i'm a professional now. and it's true. >> he was. we had 16 clubs all around the country. >> so whoever did an open spot in different parts of the country could springboard to the circuit . circuit. >> and that's what i was so proud to have developed , so that proud to have developed, so that great, great comedians could practice their art. so yes, i know i've thrown down the gauntlet , but you have as well, gauntlet, but you have as well, you know, i know i have and you've done it publicly. but i think what's so exciting about it is you have to go in front of a very forgiving audience .

a very forgiving audience. >> most audiences want you to do well and most comedians, if they are likeable, they will do well. >> you've got to get your rhythm going and you've got to practice. >> so and some people think it's easy, it's not. >> you've got to be diligent, you've got to remember your lines and you've got to practice what is funny. lines and you've got to practice what is funny . but it can be what is funny. but it can be done. >> that's fascinating. yeah, because a lot of them do it and you wouldn't realise that it's all scripted in their mind and they've all yeah, but you're very well somebody like you should be able to go off piste a bit as well. yeah some of them. >> graham norton for example, when he came, he's nobody else wanted him. and i saw him put him on stage as a compere because i just thought, he's got a fabulous. you know, personality. and he can hold the audience together, which is what you need is a compere. and that's what he did. and from there he blossomed. and of course, we had the graham norton show that came from it. >> but he his manager said to me, dave, at that time said, maria, without you allowing graham to have that opportunity, i don't know how well he would

have done, but it's spotting people and what they can do. >> and i love spotting talent and in a way, when i did my stand up, what i found so interesting about it was what it takes to actually do the whole process of stand up, what it takes from you as a person, and what do you reveal and what do you want people to know? but then how do you find your funny? and i did find an opening gag . and i did find an opening gag. so we'll talk about that because without an opening gag, you can't actually engage with the audience and it's just there's a lot of little tricks that highlight. >> it's a proper science, isn't it? so what are you doing now? because jongleurs, is it still there? i mean, jongleurs yes. >> got lost. >> got lost. >> it's sort of on a different trajectory . trajectory. >> i'm starting a comedy, i thought, because there were so many when i was running jongleurs, i had so many people that used to say when i used to say i and jongleurs they say, no, you don't. i used to think ,

no, you don't. i used to think, why are you saying that? >> you did. >> you did. >> yeah, but i did. and i thought, well, if i call my own brand kempinski, they won't be able to. >> that's what you wanted to call it all along, i did. you didn't do it, i didn't know i will now, you will know you will. all right. well, if people want to find out more about you, because you actually teach people as well to be, to get up on the stage and everything like that. yeah. >> because i think not only do i do 1 to 1 therapy, and i have regular clients and i see their transformation because i love that, i love the work i do as a therapist, and i find it invaluable for people, you know, if they stick with it. and to actually see people who have got problems communicating or dating . if people find dating difficult or, you know , sort of difficult or, you know, sort of dating with a girl. women love men who are funny. dating with a girl. women love men who are funny . you will men who are funny. you will tolerate a lot about a man if they're funny. >> and i think men know that. >> and i think men know that. >> what about your mbes? well, because i noticed you have an mba. >> yeah, i was very lucky to get that. >> i got that because of the entertainment and leisure. and

although i do a lot of charity work and as you said, i'm doing something with anti—slavery and, andifs something with anti—slavery and, and it's called one voice for freedom. >> and what's that about? >> and what's that about? >> well , this will be actually, >> well, this will be actually, we're talking about teaching people how to do stand up. >> so the anti slavery is not about anti—slavery . it is it is about anti—slavery. it is it is it's anti—slavery as in current day slavery or we're not talking about reparations are we. >> no, we're not talking about reparations. is for present day slavery awareness and getting people out of that situation. >> so it's not only finally , >> so it's not only finally, finally somebody dealing with current modern day slavery. >> instead of banging on about reparations. >> i'm so much now, i think people are being their eye. their eyes are being distracted by it and diverted from what's going on around us. and as you always say, there's something happening now and we do need to deal with more like it. >> exactly. if people want to find out more, do you have a website or somewhere they can go? yeah. >> maria kempinski. com, and, yes . just contact me through there. >> thank you very much. and thank you, nana. thanks for coming in. look forward to working. have a challenge. i

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gb news. good afternoon. this is gp news. we are britain's election channel. i'm nana akua and it's time for the great british debate this hour. and i'm asking, is it right to run roughshod over planning laws to build more prisons in order to combat prison overcrowding? well, that's the labour party's plan. they said that they would build more prisons in england by

allowing ministers to bypass the traditional planning process. if it wins the general election. now, under labour's plans, prisons will be designated sites of national importance on public safety grounds, placing the power to greenlight planning applications solely in the hands of ministers. applications solely in the hands of ministers . however, the of ministers. however, the conservatives criticised the plans, claiming that the last labour government let 80,000 criminals out early and failed to build the prisons that they promised. this came as shadow justice secretary refused to continue a scheme that allows some prisoners to be freed early to deal with overcrowding . so to deal with overcrowding. so i'm asking for the great british debate this hour. is it actually right to run roughshod over planning laws to build more prisons? well joining me to discuss retired president governor vanessa frake and former labour mp bill rammell. all right. vanessa frake , i'm all right. vanessa frake, i'm going to start with you. is that the right step forward? should we be doing that , personally we be doing that, personally speaking , i don't think so. speaking, i don't think so. i think the planning laws are

there for a reason , you know what? >> i'd rather they focused on was reducing reoffending. not just saying a pie in the sky figure as to how many prisoners we can lock up in this country. >> you know, we lock up the most prisoners in western europe. >> we have the worst reoffending rates in in western europe. it's about time that one of these parties concentrated on reducing offending and not just locking people up. as a society, we need to decide who we want to lock up, how long we want to lock them up for and what we're doing about their offending behaviour for. >> because the government were talking about releasing some prisoners early because they didn't have enough room in the prison . so surely, vanessa, it's prison. so surely, vanessa, it's a good idea to build more prisons . no. prisons. no. >> well, you know, this is this is gone on and off for years and years. >> you know, labour first brought this in with jack straw in two thousand and seven, and it actually went on for three years. >> so, you know, labour is not

whiter than white in this, to be honest. you know, they they tend to forget that one. >> but in, in, in all fairness, the government is, reaping the benefits that it sowed by not investing in our prisons structure , not investing in our structure, not investing in our prison systems over the last 14 years. >> and we are where we are today because of that, because nobody's bothered suddenly, because we have overcrowding, because we have overcrowding, because prisoners are being let out early , we're in the we're in out early, we're in the we're in the position that we're in with overcrowding , and, you know, overcrowding, and, you know, they're reaping what they sowed . they're reaping what they sowed. >> all right. bill rammell. they're reaping what they sowed. >> all right. bill rammell . bill >> all right. bill rammell. bill are you frozen? bill? >> well, i've got some sympathy for the view that we need to do more. sorry, sorry. >> carry on. bill, you've got just a bit of a delay, that's all. jeremy >> yeah. i've got some sympathy with the view that we need to do better. and we need to do more on reducing re—offend . but we're on reducing re—offend. but we're in this crisis because as the

government hasn't been able to, is releasing prisoners up to 70 days before the end of their sentence. and the labour scheme back in two thousand and seven was actually two weeks. so this is a much more substantive release programme, and they're having to do this because they haven't spent the money that they've allocated because of local planning, objections . and local planning, objections. and i think sensibly, what the labour party is saying is that we will create the need for prison places as a national priority, and in those circumstances, yes, we will consult. but ultimately, ministers will have the right to overrule local planning objections to deliver the prison places that we need. and i think that has to be the right priority. >> yeah, but but, bill, would you have a prison in your back yard? i mean, let's be honest, people won't be happy with the fact that you're talking about overriding planning laws, which , overriding planning laws, which, as vanessa said, are there for a

reason. and also, if it's just prisons, what's next? will it be pylons? will it be wind farms that you can just ignore people's objections? i think that's that's the concern, bill. >> i wouldn't have a problem with a prison being located close to me . and i tell you this close to me. and i tell you this 13 years experience as a constituency mp taught me that if it comes to local housing schemes, if it comes to prison places , if it comes to major places, if it comes to major infrastructure projects, if you allow a noisy minority of local people to dictate the planning regime, and that's often what happens at the local level level, you'll never make progress . and you know, we need progress. and you know, we need a major housebuilding programme. we need more prison places and we need major infrastructure projects. and i think we're rightly saying that particularly in regard to prison places, they are needed and we will override those local planning concerns

because this is a national priority. >> but you just called them a noisy minority. there are people who have bought their homes under the proviso that they're not going to have a prison built in their backyard. it'll immediately depreciate the value of their homes. and, you know , of their homes. and, you know, you're not prepared to listen to their objections. this is the problem, vanessa. does that sound wise to you, no, it doesn't . it just it just sounds, doesn't. it just it just sounds, a bit of a dictatorship , quite a bit of a dictatorship, quite frankly, that, you know, it doesn't matter what what you, as joe public says or thinks we're going to do what we want to do, you know, i think this , this, you know, i think this, this, this pie in the sky figure that labour's come outwith, this pie in the sky figure that labour's come out with, with labour's come outwith, with 20,000 places. you know, this is going to take time . this is this going to take time. this is this isn't an overnight fix , for the isn't an overnight fix, for the state of our prisons, i think it's much wider than, prison places. you know , i don't see places. you know, i don't see how how by just for those 20,000 prison places, that's £50,000 a

year per prisoner that you and i are going to have to pay as a taxpayer for . it surely got to taxpayer for. it surely got to be better to look at the why, the reoffending and do something about that, whether it's addiction, whether it's homelessness, whether it's unemployment, homelessness, whether it's unemployment , whether it's unemployment, whether it's social, social misfits or whatever . yeah, it's got to be whatever. yeah, it's got to be worth doing. looking, looking at why re—offending is happening, not just build more places , not not just build more places, not just build more places. >> very briefly to you. final word, bill, you've got about 30s because i've got to throw to the news. what are your final thoughts on this? >> look, there's so much that's broken in our criminal justice system. you know, years for cases to be brought to courts and a lack of adequate prison places so that prisoners are being released early. i think labouris being released early. i think labour is right to say this is a national priority. and in certain circumstances that will override local objections. >> wow . all right. vanessa >> wow. all right. vanessa franco, retired prison governor. thank you very much. also, bill rammell , former labour mp. what rammell, former labour mp. what do you think? is it okay for them to run roughshod over

planning laws so they can have prisons? what's next? you are with me. i'm nana. akua. this is gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. coming up, we'll continue with my great british debate. i'm asking this question. is it right to run roughshod over planning laws to build more prisons? you will hear the thoughts of my panel. danny kelly and greg svensson. but first, let's get your latest news with tatiana sanchez . news with tatiana sanchez. >> gnaana. thank you. the top stories this hour from the gb newsroom. a woman in her 40s remains in hospital with life threatening injuries after a ride malfunctioned at a funfair in south london last night. the lambeth country show in brockwell park reopened earlier today, but some rides do remain cordoned off. lambeth council says an investigation is currently underway, which is being led by the metropolitan police and health and safety executives . a man in his 40s is executives. a man in his 40s is also receiving treatment for potentially life changing injuries, while two others were also injured . former scotland

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rocky terrain. labour is pledging to alleviate some of the pressure on overcrowded prisons by adding 14,000 new places. >> the proposal would see some prisons classified as sites of national importance , so national importance, so ministers can take control of planning decisions. >> this comes after some inmates were released early due to severe overcrowding across the prison system. the government previously promised to deliver 20,000 new prison places by the mid 2020s. just 6000 have been created so far . mid 2020s. just 6000 have been created so far. for mid 2020s. just 6000 have been created so far . for the latest created so far. for the latest stories, sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen or go to gb news. com slash alerts

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is a gb news. britain's election channel. a welcome on board. right. it's time for the great british debate this hour. and i'm asking, is it right to run roughshod over planning laws to build more prisons? well, this is the idea. in order to combat overcrowding , labour party has overcrowding, labour party has said that it would build more of these prisons and bypass the traditional planning process if it wins the next general election . under their plans, election. under their plans, prisons would be designated sites of national importance on pubuc sites of national importance on public safety grounds, placing the power to green light planning applications solely in the hands of ministers. however, the hands of ministers. however, the conservatives criticised the plans , claiming that the last plans, claiming that the last labour government let 80,000 criminals out early and failed to build the prisons that they promised. this came as the shadow justice secretary refused to rule out continuing the scheme that allows some prisoners to be freed early to deal with overcrowding. although, let's be fair to the labour party on that comment that the tory party have been for here 14 years and could have done some of that themselves. so for the great british debate this hour, i'm asking, is it right to run roughshod over

planning laws to build more prisons? well, joining me now is broadcaster and journalist danny kelly and also greg swinson hanson, greg sorry. republicans overseas, right. so greg, what do you think about this? this is a they're going to override planning laws to build more prisons. yeah. >> i mean, the simple answer is don't do it. don't override local planning laws because those are wolf's laws are in place for a good reason to protect property values to, you know, there has to be some local government that still has power, and local government should be as as best, as best as they can. it should be done at a local level. so there are existing prisons. they could build additional space in where prisons are are already part of the planning. and so it seems kind of punitive to a degree that that labour wants to find some, you know, beautiful neighbourhood and try to ruin it . it's typical of the sort of radical left . but i think we radical left. but i think we also have to be careful of making sure that there is

available prison space, because once you if i'm all for fixing the root causes, i'm all for drug rehab and keeping, you know, drug offenders in, in rehab rather than prisons. but on the other hand, you have to keep in mind that, you know, prisons are a deterrence, right? and if you start letting you know, we see this in the in the us now, granted, the prison population is higher because mental institution attendance is a lot lower . a lot lower. >> but you have to have prison somewhere. so surely danny, there idea is fair enough. >> some people might say i think it's a great idea as long as it's a great idea as long as it's not in my backyard. well, exactly. >> that's the point, isn't it? >> that's the point, isn't it? >> and i think it is a good idea. i was just reading with interest 141 prisons in the uk. my interest 141 prisons in the uk. my local prisoners in birmingham. there's 1450 my local prisoners in birmingham. there's1450 my hometown of liverpool there's 900 at walton jail. so where are they going to build ? if you they going to build? if you think just use as an average of 1000, labour have got six years to build 16 prisons that is one hell of an ambitious target. beanng hell of an ambitious target. bearing in mind the tories said

we're going to build 20,000. they only got to i think 6000 by the mid 20s, 2020s. i don't have a problem with it. i think there are certain national situations where you if you want to run roughshod, if that's how you want to say it, then you should be able to run roughshod over local planning legislation. >> they'll be in the hands of ministers. so what's next? it will be pylons if they can do it with prisons. >> if it's a sentence. >> yeah, and they can do it with anything. >> wind farms if it's essential. >> wind farms if it's essential. >> yeah. they'll all be in your backyard. danny, this says nothing without your. in your view. let's welcome our great british voices, their opportunity to be on the show and tell us what they think about the topics we're discussing. i've got four of you. i'm going to start with john read. john read. is it right for the labour party to say they're going to run roughshod over any planning laws if they want to build a prison in your backyard? john, read your ex prison officer, ryan nana. >> it's definitely not right , >> it's definitely not right, nor is it right to build the prisons in the first place. we've got prisons overflowing because people are in them. that shouldn't be there. we should be rehabilitating people . we should rehabilitating people. we should be treating them as humans. we

should be sorting the problem out. there are, for example, approaching 3000 people that are in there on a now demolished sentence called the ipp. if the tories had had half a brain, they'd have worked through , got they'd have worked through, got they'd have worked through, got the judges to decide whether these guys could be released or not, and then let the majority of them out. the cost to bus of keeping these people inside is hundreds of millions of pounds a yeah hundreds of millions of pounds a year. we don't need more prisons. what? we just need is a different cjs. >> oh, you're an ex. different cjs. >> oh, you're an ex . you're an >> oh, you're an ex. you're an ex prison officer, aren't you? so you should know. yeah. >> no, i've never been a prison officer . officer. >> no. what were you before? >> no. what were you before? >> i have a social enterprise which i take into prison, and i work with the prisoners . that's right. >> i knew you did. yeah, i knew you worked with prisons , so you you worked with prisons, so you should know. all right. adrian. jail. whilst he was talking, adrian was shaking his head. adrian, why are you shaking your head up there next to julian? >> because i am nana. because this is all political soundbite. and apart anything else, if the

labour party are going to add vat onto onto private schools and all these private schools are going to go bust, and all these private schools are going to go bust , they're are going to go bust, they're not going to have to build any prisons at all because they're so austere. i mean, when i was at school, yeah, the cold concrete showers and that sort of thing, all you've got to do is to is not convert. well, it's a matter of conversion backwards, taking out all the luxuries in many of these schools. to, to make it, to convert them in into buildings that are worthwhile as prisons . that are worthwhile as prisons. they're going to be standing there empty. what else do you do with them? they reason to go roughshod, over planning? >> yeah. >> yeah. >> building more. it's a matter of just so you think that their plan, their schools raid will pretty much bankrupt a load of schools so we can use those instead. >> julie. julie ford .

>> julie. julie ford. >> julie. julie ford. >> yeah. i mean, i think that's a great idea. you know , to lease a great idea. you know, to lease the buildings that are sitting there empty. that's a great idea. but i think going back to what your your previous guests have said, vanessa, i'm all for actually solving the problem at the root cause . let's go back the root cause. let's go back and overhaul the judicial system, starting with the police. >> so actually, we're preventing the crimes from happening in the first place, rather than just actually saying to people, it's great, go out there and commit crimes, because we're just going to build some more prisons for you to sit in. >> and i certainly don't want a prison in my backyard, but i do believe if there are already prisons in a certain area, absolutely extend on those, because people already know that there are prisons there, so they're more than happy to live with them. >> but julie, you lead a sort of landlords kind of, business. your business is all about landlords and property ownership . is it even even ethical for them to just run roughshod over planning laws to enable, say, a prison or a pile on or whatever ? prison or a pile on or whatever? >> no, i don't think it is

ethical. those planning laws are in place for a specific reason, and that's to protect certain areas. it's to protect property values. and also it allows people to live in places where they know they're going to be safe. we know at the moment some prisoners do escape from prison. they may not be a danger to society, but some of them are. and i think people should still have a choice and know that where they live is going to be safe. >> well, i suppose if they do escape from the prison, the one thing you can guarantee is they want to get as far away from it as possible. right. let's go to dan brian in hull finally. dan. >> hello. >> hello. >> i'd just like to pick up on the fact that, what is it, juue? the fact that, what is it, julie? what julie was saying about kind of tackling the root cause of the problem and also looking at why people are in prison in the first place, because a lot of white collar crime doesn't warrant the length of sentences that that they get given, you know, compared to murdering, for instance . and murdering, for instance. and also look at the amount of prison in the people in prison that are of, that they are foreign nationals and maybe they could send back to where they

came from to do their time in their own country. and also we have a disproportionate number of certain groups in prison, as opposed to the rest of the population. so we could look at why crimes are committed in certain sectors of society. >> this is all great, dan, but you know , it's going to take you know, it's going to take them a long time to that. they're never going to do that ever. they're never going to do that ever . but i'd they're never going to do that ever. but i'd be more concerned that there'd be a prison in my backyard and i'd have no say over it. julie, thank you very much. also adrian, the brilliant dan ryan and also johnny kinnaman. so thank you very much. right. coming up, clip bait. what's going on here? what happens next. no you're supposed to stop it there. yeah. next up on sunday with a panel and

well, it is time for this week's clip bait. and do you think

london's tourists take too many liberties? take a look at this. what happens next? so it's a one of the soldiers with his little hat marching, and he's walked straight into this woman. look there you go. there you go again. it's so funny. this woman, she stands in front of him. she's doing it on purpose . him. she's doing it on purpose. but it's one of those, one of the queen's guards. queen's guards. i couldn't remember what they were. queen's guards? yeah, with the big hat , bearskin hats. with the big hat, bearskin hats. bearskin hats. right. well, it's the king's guards, actually. >> oh, the king's guards. >> oh, the king's guards. >> yes it is. »- >> yes it is. >> last time i help you out. yeah right now it's time for son heung—min sunday, where my panel and i discussed some of the news stories that caught their eye. >> all right, danny, what you got? well this is a remarkable story. >> a 30 year old woman was trying to get on a plane from new zealand to australia years ago. she had a heart transplant, and she was trying to take her old heart. she was given it as a memento. memento? and she was trying to take it through customs. customs wouldn't allow her to take her old heart through from new zealand to australia. and she has it in a

bag and it's she has her own part in her bag. it's a horrible story. bon appetit . if you just story. bon appetit. if you just tookit story. bon appetit. if you just took it into your sunday roast. >> by the way , would you carry >> by the way, would you carry your heart in a bag if you heart on your sleeve as an expression, isn't it? >> but not in your bag. >> but not in your bag. >> not in your bag? no it's a bit much. greg svenson. >> yeah, i'm going to go back to the d—day speech that biden did, and it just the fact that the campaign thought it was sensible to compare him in any way to reagan. and i mentioned the economic expansion that was really due to reagan's policies. and then you have versus biden's policies, which have created 20% inflation in his three years. he's cut military spending 3% for the last three years, and his budget , for the last three years, and his budget, while reagan was expanding the defence spending , expanding the defence spending, he won the cold war. basically, he won the cold war. basically, he was putting pershing missiles in in western europe. he was, you know, started this strategic defence initiative. he did all the things to make the country great to make the country strong economically and, and militarily

for people to compare him to joe biden to. >> i wonder if we can get that clip again. i know it's a bit of a stretch, but i want to see him again. i wonder if we can do we have time to just grab that clip of joe biden? yeah, because i just think it's just i don't understand why people keep talking as though he's going to be he's some sort of leader of the free world that could then carry on and carry out any policy when actually, in reality, we know he's not really doing anything, is he right? he's not with it, is he? >> yeah. i mean, we voted for joe biden. we got bernie sanders. basically, you have elizabeth warren, you have the progressive left that have basically taken over that party. >> and i thought i'd do a little supplement here as well. my one is about the king. king charles, apparently he's doing fine. this is what queen camilla says, but he will not do as he's told. >> sounds like an old guy. >> sounds like an old guy. >> all of the all of the engagements that he's been doing, even though he's suffering with cancer. >> oh, he's a great king. i love it when biden is reading the autocue and he actually reads what he's supposed to do, not to read. so he'll he'll do a monologue, and then he'll at the end of the monologue, he'll say, stop talking, joe, turn left or something like that.

>> there's nothing wrong with that. i do it all the time. >> it'sjust that. i do it all the time. >> it's just humiliating. >> it's just humiliating. >> right? well, listen, there there is this joe biden he's just bending down to, well, i'm not quite sure. >> one more time. >> one more time. >> one more time. >> much funnier every time i needed to see it again. >> release a bit of wind puts a hand over her mouth like this. and, yes, the others look away. >> she was just didn't want to be lip read. >> so she was saying, joe, don't sit down. there's no chair. >> that's my old term, the optimist. >> that's the glass half full. >> that's the glass half full. >> that's the crazy thing. >> that's the crazy thing. >> well, listen, on today's show, we've been asking, would ditching net zero get your vote? and according to our twitter poll, a staggering 87.2% of you say yes. why can't the political parties listen? and just 12.8% of you say no? and on the question of is it right to run roughshod over planning laws to build more prisons, 50.1% of you say, yes, 49.9% of you say no . say, yes, 49.9% of you say no. interesting. it's almost brexit even. not quite so half and half. well i suppose that

depends on whether they build it in your backyard. i've got to say thank you so much to my panel say thank you so much to my panel, broadcaster and journalist danny kelly. danny kelly, thank you very much to you. and also thank you to you, greg swenson. he's the chair of the comms overseas. and as ever, a huge thank you to you at home for your company. neil oliver is next. i'll be back next week. same time , same place, 3:00 on same time, same place, 3:00 on saturday. i'll leave you with the weather. have a fabulous week and stay tuned to . gb news. week and stay tuned to. gb news. >> looks like things are heating up . boxt boilers sponsors of up. boxt boilers sponsors of weather on gb news. >> hello and welcome to your gb news weather update brought to you by the met office. well, there'll still be plenty of sunshine to end the weekend, but from monday it is going to be turning a little bit cloudier . turning a little bit cloudier. for today though we've still got plenty of high pressure building across the uk which is dominating the weather. notice the frontal system moving into

the frontal system moving into the northwest and a slight squeeze in the isobars, so turning a little bit breezier across scotland for the evening, though still plenty of late evening sunshine across central and southern parts of the uk. turning cloudier from the north, though with some rain and drizzle moving into the northwest , drizzle moving into the northwest, and this could be a little bit heavy across northwestern hills for most, though quite cloudy and mild night on offer. most towns and cities not really dropping below double digits, but a little bit cooler under the clear spells in the very far south. so a brighter start across the south, but it is generally going to be clouding over through the course of the morning. largely dry, but we will start to see some rain and drizzle feeding into northern parts of wales and parts of northern england, and quite a cloudy picture across northern ireland and the rest of northern england. still with the odd spot of rain and drizzle but generally brightening up across parts of aberdeenshire , though parts of aberdeenshire, though we will start to see some showers move in from the west across the northern isles. so a bit of a mixed picture to start the new working week, but generally it's going to be quite a cloudy picture as well. still, with the odd spot of rain and

drizzle moving into the northwest. by the time we reach the afternoon, we will start to see some sunshine poke through the cloud, particularly across scotland, where we will see plenty of sunshine, though quite a brisk breeze which is going to take the edge off the temperatures a little bit, and generally temperatures are going to be slightly lower tomorrow. but where you do catch the sunshine in any sheltered spots across scotland, it should still be feeling pleasant and warm now into the evening. still plenty of cloud, which means it's going to remain fairly mild, but turning a little bit cooler across those clearer spells in scotland and still plenty of showers feeding into the northern isles. and for next week, is generally a cloudier picture. still fairly dry across the south, but some rain and showers in the north and feeling a little bit cooler here too. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers. sponsors of weather on

evening all lovely people. fellow travellers , welcome to fellow travellers, welcome to the neil oliver show on gb news tv , on radio and online. tonight tv, on radio and online. tonight we'll be picking up again on a story i've looked at previously, which is to say the scottish covid inquiry and eye—watering and breathtaking the testimony as to where do not resuscitate orders handed out during the pandemic unnecessarily. or did everyone do exactly what they had to do in order to make sure covid was contained as quickly as possible? all of that and more coming up, but first, an update on the latest news headunes.