is, of course, manifesto week this week, time for people to put their money where their mouth is and tell us exactly what their plans are. what do you think, then? should be in each party's manifesto? let me ask you, do you think that these things are even worth the paper that they are printed on? do people actually even stick to their manifesto promises or not? and did you see what happened overin and did you see what happened over in europe when it comes to the election outcomes, i can tell you now, many people having an absolute meltdown over the rise of the right . apparently we rise of the right. apparently we should all be concerned about the far right, should all be concerned about the far right , the hard right, the far right, the hard right, and i've lost count of it all, quite frankly. are you really concerned today? what on earth is going on? what do you think should be the outcome going forward here in the uk? do you think that this stuff over in the euro in europe will affect us or not? and anyway, what even is far right these days? give me your thoughts on that. also, i want to stay. i want to talk to you about the state of our water, faeces in our tap water,

what on earth is going on and how do we fix it ? all and more how do we fix it? all and more over the next hour. but first, let's cross to the legend polly middlehurst for tonight's latest news headlines. as . news headlines. as. >> michelle, thank you and good evening to you. the top story from the newsroom tonight is that two boys have become the youngest convicted murderers in britain since the murder of two year old james bulger in 1993. the 12 year olds were found guilty of murdering a man with a machete in a wolverhampton park . machete in a wolverhampton park. they stabbed 19 year old sean c zahawi in november last year, and the jury's decision to convict was unanimous. sean caesar his parents have said they'll never be able to get over the loss of their son. >> i was outside in the living room and our phone rings and she

answered the call and she started crying. i asked her what happened. started crying. i asked her what happened . she said, sean, get happened. she said, sean, get stabbed. i said, what happened? she started to cry. she cannot talk . talk. >> sean caesar, his parents. now. in other news today, the prime minister says he never considered quitting despite heavy criticism over his early departure from d—day commemorations in normandy. last week . rishi commemorations in normandy. last week. rishi sunak is promising to carry on until the last day of his campaign, and that comes after he kept a low profile over the weekend, avoiding questions that he might step down. he's now vowing he won't stop fighting for the future of the country. >> i'm energised about the vision that we're putting forward for the country. this campaign is only not even halfway through yet, and i'm finding enormous amount of support for the policies that we're putting on the table, whether it's a modern form of national service, the triple lock, plus 100,000 new apprenticeships, continuing to cut taxes for people, these are all things that people want to see. i believe i've got the

right plan for the country. we're the only party willing to take bold action. that's how we deliver a secure future. and i'm going to keep taking that message to as many people as possible between now and polling day, rishi sunak well, he's also saying he's promising to recruit 8000 neighbourhood police officers in england and wales if the tories are re—elected. >> rishi sunak says the plan would be funded in part by hiking visa fees and increasing the immigration health surcharge for overseas students. labour is calling it another empty promise from a desperate conservative party policing minister chris philp says the tories aim to build on their recent recruitment programme. >> we are pledging to recruit another 8000 police officers on top of the record numbers. we've already got. those extra 8000 officers will be dedicated to neighbourhood policing. that means patrolling your local high street, patrolling the areas where where you and me and our your listeners and viewers live visibly patrolling, catching

criminals, preventing crime, reassuring the public. >> meanwhile, labour's promising to deliver free breakfast clubs in schools as part of a new childcare plan they say will save parents over £400 a year. they're also claiming it will cut almost half a million days of school absences . and for of school absences. and for parents who already pay for before school, childcare , labour before school, childcare, labour says funded breakfast clubs could cost cut the cost even by up to £50 a week. the labour leader, sir keir starmer , leader, sir keir starmer, insists the policy will help get working parents back to work. >> as any parent with young children will tell you, childcare and nursery places are really essential. they're so good for children in their development and making sure that when they arrive at primary school , they've got the skills school, they've got the skills that they need. really good for parents and carers because they can get back into the labour market. so very good. also for the economy and our scheme is

fully funded, fully costed, but also fully planned, so it will be wrapped around primary schools. >> sir keir starmer, now the liberal democrat leader, sir ed davey, has launched his party's manifesto with a pitch to voters based on boosting the nhs and social care. said also said that unlike those of labour and the tories, their plans were fully costed. the party leader said more people are coming to the liberal democrat cause . liberal democrat cause. >> when i took over the leadership of the liberal democrats in 2019, we'd had three really tough elections lie—ins and we lost our way a little bit and my first speech, you may remember i said, we need to wake up and smell the coffee. and what i said i wanted to do was really listen to people, listen to their concerns and make sure that when we got to this election, our policies responded to them. and that's one of the reasons why today, in the launch of our fair deal for britain, we've talked about

rescuing the health service, we've talked about the cost of living, we've talked about things like the sewage scandal. and i think more and more people are coming to our cause. >> so ed davey talking to christopher hope now. reform uk has set out its economic policy for the election campaign today. plans include raising the personal tax threshold to £20,000, abolishing ir35 for sole traders and raising the vat threshold for small businesses to £150,000. and lastly , greek to £150,000. and lastly, greek police are saying the tv nutritionist doctor michael mosley died, most likely from natural causes after his body was recovered following a four day search for him. the 67 year old went missing after leaving his wife and friends on the island of symi on wednesday. he appears to have taken the wrong route back to his hotel and collapsed when he couldn't easily be seen by search teams. that's the news. for the latest stories, do sign up to gb news

alerts, scan the qr code on your screen or go to gb news. com slash alerts . slash alerts. >> thank you very much for that, polly. i'm michelle dewberry. i'm with you till 7:00 tonight. this is , of course, dewbs& co this is, of course, dewbs& co telly that story stop me in my tracks today. the 12 year old boys with machetes . i mean, what boys with machetes. i mean, what on earth is going on within our society? what do you think about. as well? of course. 12 year olds, they're having anonymity. do you think that's right or not? i found it such a fascinating story. i've got lots that i want to talk to you about this evening, alongside me, as always. my panel tonight, a new face. the former secretary of state, george eustice, and the journalist and broadcaster zoe grundy. well, good evening to both of you. welcome. we do love a new face on dewbs& co. so you're very welcome tonight, as are each and every single one of you at home. what is on your

mind tonight? i want to, of course, talk uk politics. we'll crack on with that in a second. but did you see what went on in europe? the rise of the right, the far right, the extreme right, whatever you want to call it. apparently we should all be concerned about that . are you? concerned about that. are you? i can tell you now, the meltdown that has been occurring is certainly made me chuckle a little bit today. i know that's slightly inappropriate to some of you, but give me your thoughts all the usual ways you can email gbviews@gbnews.com. you can go to the website gb news. com slash yourself. i've been very naughty. i've not said hello to you yet on there, but i will, don't worry. or also you can tweet or x me wherever you are tonight. you are indeed very very welcome. but look , today very welcome. but look, today kicks off manifesto week in the uk general election. let's cross live then to our political correspondent olivia utley to bnng correspondent olivia utley to bring us up to speed with today's twists and turns that you might have missed. hello >> hello. well, yes, michel. today is the launch of manifesto week. and this morning we heard from ed davey and the liberal democrats. it's not often that

westminster's attention is on the liberal democrats, but it certainly was today. the core of their manifesto is a pledge to help people see gps more easily, and to put social care at the forefront of government plans. well, that will be music to the ears of plenty of people from all parties who think that social care needs to be put front and centre . ed davey has front and centre. ed davey has been speaking a lot recently about his own experience as a carer, first for his mother when he was a teenager and now for his severely learning disabled son john, who's 16. his severely learning disabled son john, who's16. he wants to put carers front and centre , put carers front and centre, make it much, much more easy for them to access the care that they need. but of course, no one's really expecting the liberal democrats to get into government, not even in a coalition with labour, not with labour soaring so far ahead in the polls. so what are labour and the conservatives talking about? well, labour has tried to spend the day talking about its new child care policy. it claims that it will help 750,000 more

women back into work, or able to increase their hours. they'll try and do that by offering wraparound care. so breakfast clubs, free breakfast clubs for primary school children . now, primary school children. now, the conservatives have pointed out that that will be very, very expensive indeed. and perhaps there have been commentators saying that maybe giving free breakfast to the children of middle class parents who can afford it might not be the best use of taxpayer money. another problem that labour has been facing today is that everyone is still very interested in the disagreement between emily thornberry and bridget phillipson over whether a state class sizes will increase when labour drops the vat exemption on private schools. the idea is that if you take the vat away for private, the vat exemption away for private schools, parents will move their children out of private schools and into state schools, increasing those class sizes now, emily thornberry said yesterday on camilla tominey show on gb news that yes, she thought state

schools, class sizes might increase . bridget phillipson increase. bridget phillipson denied that today, but labour have been very much caught up in that row. something no parent wants to see is an increase in class sizes. meanwhile, the conservatives have been trying to talk about their new policing plan. 8000 bobbies on the beat, funded by higher rates for students . it's coming here si students. it's coming here si king health care and also a tax on immigrants coming over here and working. that's that's what the conservatives want to talk about. but of course, the d—day gaffe, if we can call it that, has spread now into day four. that's all that the conservatives are really having to talk about. and chris philp, the policing minister, joined penny mordaunt this morning in saying that he thought it was a huge mistake for the prime minister. the prime minister is really, really struggling to shrug this one off. so we're at the start of manifesto week. we're seeing the conservatives manifesto launch tomorrow.

labour launched on thursday, but at the moment neither of the two main parties are able to talk about what they want to talk about. >> olivia. fascinating stuff. thank you very much for that. so, george, i mean, i've got to say , you are not standing at the say, you are not standing at the next general election. i did just check that you've not changed your mind in the last 48 hours or anything like that, but definitely no, your standing down. is that because you don't think the tories stand a chance? no >> it's because i've done 25 years in politics in total. i first stood as a ukip candidate way back in 1999, and i worked for various campaigns , and i've for various campaigns, and i've done five elections in total, and i just wanted a change in life. and this is quite common now, you know, mps , the idea now, you know, mps, the idea that you keep going until retirement or until you're toppled , it's not really like toppled, it's not really like that now. there's a lot of mps who who are labour mps who stood down in the 2010 election and this time, of course, quite a lot of conservatives choosing to do a different career . do a different career. >> would you ever consider defecting over to, for example, reform? reform ? >> reform? >> no, i definitely wouldn't .

>> no, i definitely wouldn't. i've given a large part of my life to the conservative party and i actually think, you know, under our system with first past the post, it is the two big parties that ultimately form the government. and if you want to change things, i actually think you've got to be with one of those big parties, make arguments from within. yes but absolutely, for me, it's the conservative party i've supported it for many, many years, and i actually think that a lot of what rishi sunak has done over the last 18 months, two years, it's steadied the ship, it's got the economy back on track and we should give him some credit for that. >> well, nigel farage, leader of reform uk, he says rishi sunak has got no connection to the country, criticising of course in relation to this d—day stuff. >> well look nigel farage would say that he's standing for a party that's opposing the conservatives. he's declared that it's his intention to try to destroy the conservatives. i think he is wrong. yes. and i think, look, the only impact of reform standing and i always respect i stood for a minority party myself. i respect people's right to stand for a party and

indeed to vote for it, of course. but the impact of those votes for reform will to be undermine further conservative mps and mean that the number of conservative mps returned is lower than it otherwise would have been. that is the best that i think, you know, nigel farage could achieve . that's my view. could achieve. that's my view. and i think he's wrong to be doing that. and i disagree with his approach on these things. >> so i'm definitely going to come back to you on that. i want to talk about this so—called rise of the right, as well in detail after the break, because did you see what happened in europe? i can tell you now, so many people having an absolute meltdown there because the right did gain strength in numbers when it came to the eu elections. i want to look at that in detail. there's a lot i want to unpick there. but zoe of course. manifesto week. do you think these manifestos are even worth the paper that they're printed on? because it feels like many parties just backtrack on what they promise anyway . on what they promise anyway. >> well, i mean, there is a cynical perspective that parties can do that, and they say what they need to get elected, and then they come up with all sorts

of reasons in government why they might not be able to. but actually, i think they are important because even if, some there are issues with policymaking down the line, you need to understand what it is your party stands for, what it is they prioritise, and particularly with the lib dems manifesto, i think putting that emphasis on primary care and social care is incredibly important, we know in this country that the nhs, being on its knees, has had a huge knock on effect on the economy, on productivity, freeing up people to work to, you know, to get better , to, to be free from better, to, to be free from caring responsibilities and to be paid appropriately for their caring responsibilities, i think is really important and actually , i found it quite disappointing that neither the conservatives nor labour are really talking about how absolutely vital social care is , not just to the social care is, not just to the health of the nation, but to the economy as well. >> well, theresa may tried talking a lot about social care, didn't she? in one of the previous elections, and it seemed to just disappear and be reared back from it. why do you think that? >> because it's a difficult issue to broach. and it got, you

know, in an election in the heat of an election campaign, it got mischaracterised as a so—called dementia tax, which was grossly unfair on it because they were trying to find a way to fund care for the elderly. but i think, you know, what ed davey has done today is, is shine a light on the importance of carers looking after loved ones, the unpaid carers and the government in recent years has done more to give people the ability to take more time off. but they've gone a step further today, saying they should be paid for that. we'd need to look at the detail of it, but i think we all recognise, and i've had many constituents come to me in my time as an mp who are carers. sometimes these are young teenagers who are carers for a parent suffering from cancer, and we really ought to recognise that and make sure that the system supports such people. >> i think george made a really interesting point, which is that we have seen in the past, whenever a party has a plan for social care, it's immediately it becomes this political hot potato becomes really, really difficult to justify. people jump difficult to justify. people jump on it and the reality is that reforming social care in this country is incredibly expensive. we have an ageing population, we have huge demand ,

population, we have huge demand, but there are political choices to be made. there is money in this country. there is wealth that neither party are really talking about tapping into. and i think if we are going to be serious and take a long term, earnest approach to the economy, to the health care system, we parties need to be serious about health and social care. now, on the other hand, you could say, well, it's easy for the lib dems to put this front and centre of the manifesto because the reality is they're not going to form a government. i still think we eventually there is going to be a need for a radical rethink about social care in this country and thinking about how it is we generate that money and drum up that that money to fund such a system, i just want to ask briefly, just about this, talk today about breakfast clubs and things like that. one of my viewers, mark, he's got in touch and said, why don't pop musicians just take kids off their parents and hand them over to the state to bring them up and get it over and done with? it's not the state's responsibility to bring up our children. what do you think to that? >> i've actually i'm sure he's not actually advocating that. it sounds like he's advocating the

opposite. i've got quite a bit of sympathy for that view, though. my argument and i made this argument a year ago during the budget debate in parliament, is that we should be supporting the choice that parents make, and that isn't always actually to put their children in a childcare setting, you know, from the age of six months and then return to work there are lots of parents who basically one of the parent would like to stay, you know, with their child and look after them. for the first three years in particular, they're very crucial early years in life. and if they choose to do that and they want to do that, we should do more to support them. and that's why i've always supported things like a transferable tax allowance, so that if one partner chooses to look after their child themselves, well, then the other partner can get their tax allowance. so there is a family unit, they can afford to do it. and we ought to be looking at that because i've got a concern that too often we are, you know, taking children, separating from their parents and putting them in formal childcare settings. too young and they're fragile early years and they're fragile early years and we should be supporting people. but then viewers will be shouting at the telly saying, well, if that's the way that you

feel, all the rest of it, why hasn't happened then? well, the government has a nato the conservatives announced their intention and it got lost during the d—day , debacle and the row. the d—day, debacle and the row. but they did announce their intention to change the approach when it comes to child benefit. and that's to say that if you've got a combined income that forward, isn't it? >> what i'm saying is, if this sentiment was there, why hasn't it already been enacted? >> well, i'm afraid, the truth is that david cameron pushed this very hard. the idea of a transferable tax allowance. when he got into government, he was ground down by forces in the treasury who said this would be too expensive. i think that was wrong. and i think he was wrong to give up on it. and the reality is that, under the current government and indeed the labour party at the moment, the labour party at the moment, the emphasis is just much more on getting parents back to work as quickly as possible so that they can put scores on the board for gdp and to try to get children in a childcare setting. and i think that's a mistake we should be supporting the choice that parents make. and sometimes people want to choose family for

a few years rather than work and career, but i think that's too simplistic. >> the reality is that people in this country, their jobs aren't paying this country, their jobs aren't paying them enough to raise families. unfortunately, both parents often have to work in some cases. also, childcare is some cases. also, childcare is so expensive that one parent has no choice but to give up work. that choice has been taken away because the government has presided over a system where work does not pay properly. having a family is incredibly expensive, housing is incredibly expensive, housing is incredibly expensive, and you haven't funded a proper childcare system. so what we have here is a situation where parents do not have the choice to raise the children in the way they may want. yeah, but you see, taken away from them. >> i disagree because why should we say it's okay to fund somebody else to look after your child, but not okay to help support you and fund you to support you and fund you to support your child. and that's what you could achieve with something like a transferable tax allowance. because at the moment we say to parents that if you if you swap child with your neighbour and let your neighbour look after your child, well, then that's okay. you can qualify for the childcare and they get extra scores on the board in gdp. but if you look after your own child, it doesn't

count. and that's wrong. as a society, we should be counting that. >> well, i mean, lots of parents do want to work equally, lots of parents would like to stay at home and look after their children. but my point is that that choice has been taken away. a lot of families in this country are just too economically precarious to make those decisions. and as much as, you know, a tax credit tax benefit, you know, you would like it to be helpful. i just think there are far more fundamental issues that need fixing. first, housing being one of the primary ones, because the cost of housing, especially in the capital and around the country, has absolutely stripped parents of all that disposable income. they had to do those well, they go they'll be parents and grandparents out there with very strong opinions on that. >> what's yours? but i can tell you after the break, the surge in support for the far right across europe should worry us all. it's a warning for us. apparently says dawn butler, and many people, echoing that sentiment. i speak, of course, about the outcome of the european elections. did see that? goodness me! let's explore the rise of the

break. hello, everyone. welcome back to dewbs& co with me, michelle juby, the former conservative minister george eustice, alongside me and the journalist and broadcaster zoe grindelwald. welcome back everyone. we've just been talking about manifestos , lots of people manifestos, lots of people getting in touch about that. matt. one of my viewers says that basically manifestos are like all the rest of political campaigns. he says they are all lies and smokescreens. you're a harsh man, matt, is there anything that you think has been in a manifesto before that's been stuck to and actually you agree with or not? get in touch and let me know. but i can tell you not a lot of people holding manifestos in high regard out there among you, so it seems. anyway, look, did you see what happened, the outcomes of the european elections? goodness gracious me. we'd been warned everybody to within an inch of our lives. they'll bring some tweets up about the responses a little bit later on. but for

now, you know, did you actually see what was going on? in short, i'll summarise the left essentially got quite a kicking. i would say that actually the centre seemed to hold on quite well, but it was the right side of the spectrum basically that got quite major gains. of course you've seen macron over in france. he's responded by calling another election off the back of that, i'm joined now by pollster and professor of politics matt goodwin, good evening to you, matt. i'll just summarise it in a brief nutshell. some of the goings on, i can tell you there's warnings galore from many prominent politicians today telling us all to be careful of the far right , to be careful of the far right, the hard right, and so on and so forth. help our viewers understand what happened and the impact here of that to . impact here of that to. >> yeah, well, great to be with you, michel. so we've had elections to the european parliament, elections held across the european union. and what we've seen really is the best result for what i would call national populist parties

in the entire history of the european union. now, what do we mean by national populist? well, we're talking about parties that unlike the mainstream parties, often they prioritise the interests and the culture of the majority group against what they argue are a corrupt, majority group against what they argue are a corrupt , neglectful, argue are a corrupt, neglectful, insular elite, which is no longer interested in, the ordinary man and woman on the street. that's what they argue now, what's so significant about these elections, michel, is that you've seen people like marine le pen in france, alternative for germany , the austrian for germany, the austrian freedom party, geert wilders in the netherlands , you know, top the netherlands, you know, top the netherlands, you know, top the polls at these elections. and that's going to pile pressure on the european union, not to , just slash immigration not to, just slash immigration and strengthen the borders, but also send more of those powers down to the nation states rather than keep hoarding power at the centre . so my last point here centre. so my last point here is, we've been told ever since brexit that britain is the

country that is struggling with populism and is struggling with chaos. well, actually, michel , chaos. well, actually, michel, looks like the european union is too, and should we be terrified about this? >> because that's what some people are suggesting today. apparently it's a huge warning bell going off, that we all need to heed some of these parties aren't particularly nice, and some of the people in these parties , as we've seen in the parties, as we've seen in the case of germany, where one of the politicians there had had seemingly made nice noises about people in the, ss in the second world war, some of these politicians aren't nice, there's no doubt about that. >> but my view is that actually, this debate is also infused with a lot of what i'd call liberal catastrophizing , namely, that catastrophizing, namely, that when parties do well that want things that liberals don't really want to give people like lower migration , stronger lower migration, stronger borders, they use concepts like the far right islamophobia, transfer phobia, or the new one, which is just simply hate . they

which is just simply hate. they use these concepts to try and shut down debate and discussion over issues that are entirely legitimate to talk about. and that and i think, to be frank, many voters now, michel, can sense that. they can sense that the national conversation is being constrained, there's no doubt some of these parties are bad news, no doubt about that. but many others operate within democracy. they just want a different kind of democracy, michel. they want to put the majority will ahead of, minority elites. and that's a direct conception of democracy. it's not a liberal conception of democracy , but it is democracy nonetheless. >> interesting stuff. that's matt goodwin there, the professor of politics. thank you for your time, george. are you, terrified by this so—called surge in the so—called , far surge in the so—called, far right and hard right? i'm laughing, by the way. and i'm laughing, by the way. and i'm laughing just because i just think it's people just banding his term around all the time. i think it's pretty ludicrous. >> but anyway, i actually think matt's made a very good point,

which is, you know, that term far right's often bandied about, you know, too liberally because these parties, some of them are different. >> some of the people within them have some quite unpleasant views and have expressed those. but you have to separate that out from the people that voted for them. and the truth is, what most people realised is that these were european elections. they regard the european parliament as a bit of a joke, as we used to when we were in the eu, and they're using this as an opportunity to register a protest vote, and it's a protest against, you know, a cosy, a cosy consensus within the establishment, it's a rejection of sort of eu control and the undermining of national democracy. and it's also , you democracy. and it's also, you know, undoubtedly as well, partly driven by concerns about immigration. and we're not the only country in the world that's experiencing , a lot of asylum experiencing, a lot of asylum seekers and so on. other countries in europe are too. so i think you've got this combination of things that have dnven combination of things that have driven people to register a protest vote in an election that they don't think matters . so we they don't think matters. so we shouldn't read too much into it, but we also shouldn't ignore it.

and that's where i think emmanuel macron. it's a surprising decision to go and have an election . he would have have an election. he would have been better to let things calm down, because then he probably would have found national politics would return to normal. but to do it when they've got a spnng but to do it when they've got a spring in their step and momentum is a rather peculiar judgement in my view. >> yeah. i've got to say as well, some marine le pen's party basically got double of what macron got. >> that's why he is perhaps panicked in the way that he has. let me just show you before i bnng let me just show you before i bring zoe in some of the responses, that people have been busily tweeting out , about busily tweeting out, about these, outcomes here in the uk . these, outcomes here in the uk. so let's have a look. so dawn butler, for example, she has some harsh words to say on that , some harsh words to say on that, some harsh words to say on that, so this is diane abbott. this is the far right surge in in european countries. it's clear that some would like to replicate that here in britain. that one there was diane abbott. next one. let's have a look at what jeremy corbyn has to say at the far right. is rising across europe because politicians on

both sides are pandered to their rhetoric and normalised their idea . the only answer to hatred idea. the only answer to hatred is hope. we've got to to stand up racism, defend refugees and inspire people to believe that a kinder world is possible . dawn kinder world is possible. dawn butler i can tell you, she tweeted out. we were all warned about the rise of the far right and incels in massive capital letters. that bit the attack on woke feeds into this dangerous rhetoric , the surge in support rhetoric, the surge in support for the far right across europe is a warning for us all. farage and reform , some tories should and reform, some tories should be nowhere near power. what do you think? some of that. sorry >> well, i think i think george made a good point about the specific context around these elections and how, you know, with the european election, people, you know, were in many cases were registering a protest vote and macron kind of making the political calculation to go early to the to the french population in the hope that actually, when it comes to people voting for, for the

government in france, you know, they will be they will consider their vote more and perhaps won't lodge a protest vote. we'll think kind of more, you know, think more carefully about what they actually want to see in, in france. i think it's also possible to kind of overstate some of these, some of these gains , actually the identity and gains, actually the identity and democracy party. i mean, if you look at the composition, it's barely larger than the greens within the european parliament, it's well under half the size of the centre left, and it's about a third of the size of the centre right group. so you were right, michel. you know, actually, the centre really does. hold on. and that's where the vast majority of the votes are, but, you know, as a progressive, i do find it quite alarming. we've heard coming out of europe, lots of people kind of europe, lots of people kind of warning about the rise of the far right, particularly amongst young voters, which is quite interesting because we know here interesting because we know here in the uk there tends to be more support for right wing parties from older groups. but in europe we're seeing quite a bit of support from from younger groups and that has been linked somewhat to social media and the, the kind of spread in some

cases of conspiracy theories as well. so stuff like that. i think we have to be really careful about misinformation spreading, political parties, jumping on misinformation to shore up support and sow division. but i would also say, you know, clearly, if people across europe are unhappy with the state of play, in some cases, politicians need to listen to them. we can only move forward with productive conversations about things . and conversations about things. and i also think, you know, there is an argument here that in the face of financial insecurity and growing inequality, people are clearly unhappy and governments should respond to that, i'll just bring up actually the composite now of the european parliament, what it will look like, just in case you're not familiar with it, in essence, though, like we've just been describing, then the parties to the right of the centre. so if you imagine if you can see where renew europe is, and then you've got the epp , i would draw the got the epp, i would draw the dotted line there where i would say the kind of the centre is. and then to the right of that, starting with the epp onwards, thatis

starting with the epp onwards, that is where i would describe as the centre right, leaning more towards the right. as we've just been discussing, they do tend to group together . so it's tend to group together. so it's not kind of individual parties or anything like that . one of or anything like that. one of the things i found really, really fascinating, and i want to explore it more , after the to explore it more, after the break, is that point that dawn butler made where she's saying the attack on work feeds into this dangerous rhetoric, because i would argue that that is completely the opposite way around. it's not the fact that people are attacking work, so—called . that is the problem so—called. that is the problem in my mind anyway. it is the fact that actually these politicians are pushing, this work narrative onto us, and that is what we have to accept. and if we don't, then apparently we are the problem. i need to explore that with you in detail after the break. so don't go anywhere but as always, i want your on some of this. what do you make to this so—called rise of the

hello, everybody. my name is michelle dewberry. i'm with you until 7:00 tonight, former conservative minister george eustice is alongside me, as is the journalist and broadcaster zoe grundy. >> well, welcome back, everyone. talking about this so—called rise of the right. or if you believe certain quarters , the believe certain quarters, the so—called rise of the far right, extreme right. and so on and so forth. you get my gist, look, many people here are saying it's not. chris says it's not a rise of the far right. it's a rise of the silent majority. we've we've had enough of being branded ignorant and xenophobe and so on and so forth, ian says all of this labelling with anyone basically that disagrees with opinion as far right is wrong, and so on. and so you are very, you feel very strongly about this. it's here we go again. it's far right this and it's far right that i mean, i want to pick up on this point that dawn butler makes. she says it's the attack on work that's feeding into the rise of what she calls

the far right. i would say it's completely the opposite. zoe i would say that not what i would just call your ordinary working class voter. they are presented with this kind of framework now, which is it's just been foisted upon people. it's your net zero stuff, it's things like uncontrolled immigration and so on and so forth . and it's kind on and so forth. and it's kind of like, right, this is life now. this is a direction of travel. and if you oppose it or if you're not happy with it, then you are the problem. you're far right or you're xenophobic or islamophobic or whatever phobia word is made up this week. so i would say she's got it completely the wrong way round. >> well, it's interesting, i mean, i think discourse in this country has got particularly polarised . polarised. >> i think social media hasn't helped that, and i think , you helped that, and i think, you know, quite often you have situations where the right and the left aren't speaking to each other, and if they do, it's kind of trading unhelpful labels or unhelpful statements that actually just, just polarise people even more. i think as a politician, you have a duty and

a responsibility to listen and talk to people, even if you don't agree with them. so i might not agree with, with, you know, a lot of the people who voted, you know, for, for the kind of hard right or the right or whatever you call it in those, but you don't regard, i don't know, things like wanting to control your borders and stuff like that. >> you don't regard it as far right or hard, right, do you, ho. 110. >> no. >> i mean, i think it depends what your motivations are and what your motivations are and what your motivations are and what your your questions are. i mean, if you're saying you don't want anybody in this country who isn't white, for example, i mean, i think that's that would be racist. but if you are saying, i'm not, you know, i'm worried about, security. i'm worried about, security. i'm worried about, security. i'm worried about housing. you know, those are conversations that politicians and commentators and journalists need to look into and answer. i would argue that actually, a lot of this, concern about things like net zero about things like immigration are somewhat misplaced. i actually think this is, often an argument used by governments that haven't done enough to build in their countries. they haven't done enough to, provide consensus . enough to, provide consensus. they haven't done enough to, well, just just to make sure

that the country is running adequately. and it's far easier to scapegoat , adequately. and it's far easier to scapegoat, immigrants or far easier to scapegoat net zero policy than it is to admit to failures. and i think in some cases that is that is the case. but no, i don't think if somebody if a voter has a concern about something like immigration, they should be disregarded. i think it's really important that we talk about these things. george. >> yeah, i think actually, first of all, it's very unhelpful to try and, you know, lay labels on people to undermine them in that way. >> it's just counterproductive. >> it's just counterproductive. >> but it happens all the time. >> but it happens all the time. >> it does happen all the time. it happened to me. i mean, i was a ukip candidate once. people used to say that i campaigned to leave the eu. people said it then, but for me, you know, the really important thing is to understand what's driving this. and i think it is a feeling that people have that you know, maybe globalisation has gone too far, that they don't have control, that they don't have control, that they don't have control, that they keep electing governments and they can't get anything done because everything is decided by the european union or somewhere else. and there's a feeling that we've just lost some of that accountability and a feeling as well, that they think their country should make things and do things and

actually produce things, and a feeling that we're too reliant on other states. and often, as we're discovering the states that are not particularly, reliable to, to, to, to be trusting. so i think there's a, there's a sort of irrational tendency there, which is a yearning for more national resilience. and that's, that's not really , there's nothing far not really, there's nothing far right about that. that's a natural reaction for people to have when you live in an uncertain world. and we've got this paradox at the moment that, on one hand, there's never been a stronger need for international cooperation and for countries to work together on intelligence and militarily, and even to address issues like the global environment. but at the global environment. but at the same time, people feel, you know, cooperation is the word and people feel that it's not cooperation anymore. it's imposition by supranational sort of institutions over which they've not had enough control and in which they didn't elect. and that's quite a rational view. and i think that's why people voted to leave the eu, rightly, in my view, because that had gone too far. i'd undermined our national democracy. and we're seeing this in other countries and, you know, other states as well, and other eu countries at the

moment. >> but there's i feel like there's a sense now from various politicians to want to bring us closer back towards eu. so ed davey he's been speaking out today about looking at perhaps rejoining the single market. i've seen people like sadiq khan talk about what they would call youth mobility. so allowing 18 to 30 year olds free movement to and from europe and vice versa. do you do you sense that that's where we're going in the next election cycle? closer i think that the difficulty is and i spent many years trying to negotiate this with the european union, and they always said that if you want to reduce barriers to trade , then you have to join to trade, then you have to join the single market and basically do as they say. and that is unacceptable to any country that wants and values its own independence. so we always used to say we could work on mutual recognition. we could, you know, work on equivalence agreements, but there is no way that we could basically just abide by law as a result of that. but on immigration, i've always had a slightly different view to my own party. i think something

like a youth mobility scheme, which is temporary, doesn't actually count as permanent migration. these are two year visas, actually would be a sensible step forward, let me talk to you about water. >> the absolute state of some of the goings on in that sector at this moment, it will it won't surprise you, perhaps, to learn that another water boss is in line for a bumper pay rise. what do you think to this? is our water being mismanaged, or is it fine? and pay rises are indeed deserved.

hello. i'm michelle dewberry with you till 7:00 tonight. former conservative minister george eustice and the journalist and broadcaster zoe grunewald, alongside me, one of my viewers is getting in touch saying , stop calling. what's saying, stop calling. what's going on in europe? a protest votes . that's undermines going on in europe? a protest votes. that's undermines it. it is absolutely people liking what they see and voting, for the

manifestos . and the party's over manifestos. and the party's over in this country, adrian says, please, can you ask a politician leaders to add whether or not we can have a free kfc every week to their manifestos , a laugh, to their manifestos, a laugh, adrian, but, stranger things have happened and everyone seems to be promising everything. let's talk water. a simple question do you still drink your tap water? one water boss has apparently had a bumper pay rise. £300,000. it'll raise eyebrows because people say that the water in this country is a mess. let's just pack that for one side. get to the nuts and bolts, is the water system being mismanaged? do you think george? >> look, there have been some problems, and it stems from the fact that the sewage architecture we have dates from the victorian era and an attempt in the 1960s to separate street drainage from foul water drainage from foul water drainage wasn't done as well as it should have been. but we've also that, well, it's, governments down the line really, because they did put in place the building regulations, but they weren't properly enforced. but look, the really important thing is what's actually happened in recent

years is we've discovered the scale of the problem with sewage overflows . it used to be the overflows. it used to be the fact that only a tiny number were monitored. i said they should monitor all 15,000, which they did. they discovered there was a bigger problem than they thought. so the government then two years ago, long before this was a news story, brought in in place a plan to reduce those storm overflows significantly by about 75% over the next 20 years, but 25% just in the next five years. and that's backed up with £56 billion of spending, which will be phased in over water bills over a period of time. so the truth is, a problem was discovered. the government was discovered. the government was then blamed for actually discovering a problem that had been there down the decades. but the crucial thing is we also put in a plan to solve it, and that is now being rolled out. >> do you drink the tap water where you live? >> yes i do, yeah. and people should. in fact, you will get cases like this one in devon where they've had the parasite and, that's got a lot of attention, although, you know, they're quite it's quite common to get those sorts of outbreaks

both here and abroad. but overall , if you look at the overall, if you look at the standard of drinking water in the uk, it is world beating. and the uk, it is world beating. and the drinking water inspectorate, which is part of defra, monitor this. the regulations have always been tightened up. we've got the best drinking water in the world. sorry. >> well i think clearly something has gone terribly wrong with water management in this country. not only do we have outbreaks of diarrhoea caused by a parasite in the water supply, but we have, britain's beautiful swimming, natural beauty and swimming spots being contaminated, george might correct me if i'm wrong on this, because i know it's quite complex because, it's privatised. but my understanding is that part of the reason we're getting all these sewage overflows is because the sort of plumbing system the pipes are from the victorian era. whose responsibility is it to update that infrastructure ? is it the that infrastructure? is it the governments or is it term's or would it be the water companies? >> well, the way that the, the model works is water companies have got a duty to provide for

any expansion in housing in their area, and they can then recoup that from additions to the water bills or additional water bill payers coming on and off. what will also periodically with government support every five years, review the priorities for investment in infrastructure to improve it. and there have been improvements, many improvements over the years. it's just of course , good news doesn't make course, good news doesn't make the news headlines. bad news does. and that's always been the challenge with these complex issues. >> i think the problem is when you hear that, you know, a boss is getting £300,000 pay increase and you know that we are sitting on this victorian infrastructure that's barely been updated and people, as a result, are getting sick, britain's beautiful countryside is getting contaminated. it's beggars belief that that's allowed to happen. >> well, i think we should give credit where it's due. so this particular boss of south west water is actually paid way less. i know it's a lot of money still, but but actually at 500,000 a year paid way less than some of the other big companies like she was awarded. >> apparently 160,000 whenever she's only taken 500. >> and so there's some confusion

around this, because that 300,000 is a share option, which he didn't take three years ago. and she's also not taking now. it's been deferred for another two years. and to be fair to her, and you have to be fair to people because otherwise why will they do the right thing? her and all of her executive team have foregone their bonus payments for the for the last few years, including this year, and that's around 250,000 a yeah and that's around 250,000 a year. so she has taken a lead here in not taking that. i know it's still a lot of money, and i know people will still say, well, she's still having 500,000 a year, but it is also less than other comparable chief execs in other comparable chief execs in other water companies. so if you don't give credit to people when they don't take their bonus, you don't give them an incentive to don't give them an incentive to do the right thing in future. >> oh, £500,000 a year. i won't get out of bed for that. would you? would you. look, i can tell you? would you. look, i can tell you now, you're still talking to me about that far right conversation. many of you are absolutely furious with these labels constantly applied to people that just happen to want normal things. control of borders and so on and so forth, look, do you drink the tap water

in your area? do you get in touch?i in your area? do you get in touch? i read all your emails on the way home. i'm fascinated to hear what you say. also, it's £500,000, a lot of money for a water exec or not. guys, that's all i've got time for. thank you. and thank you. at home. i'll be back tomorrow. but for now, camilla is next night. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on . gb news. >> hi there and welcome to the latest update from the met office for gb news. still some showers around during the next 24 hours, but also a few clear spells and under starry skies. tonight. temperatures will fall. it's going to be a chilly one for june. we've got this northerly airflow and within those northerly winds we've still got some showers, especially for the north and the east coast, 1 or 2 inland elsewhere. but many of the inland showers will ease overnight, leading to plenty of

clear spells, especially in the south and the west, where we've got clear spells temperatures dipping to 7 or 8 celsius generally , but a little lower generally, but a little lower than that in some sheltered spots , and as a result, the spots, and as a result, the potential for a grass frost first thing in 1 or 2 places. however, despite the early june chill in the air, it's going to be a bright start to the day on tuesday. plenty of sunshine for southern england, parts of wales as well. in between the showers . as well. in between the showers. showers also affecting parts of northern ireland, especially towards the west, but plenty of bright weather away from those showers and again thicker cloud further north. a few showers running into the north of scotland and the north sea coast of england. but during the morning what we'll see is the cloud build more generally across the uk and showers will again develop fairly widely. you could get a shower just about could get a showerjust about anywhere, but the most likely areas for frequent showers will be northern, central and eastern england, where those showers will be heavy at times. it's going to feel cool here as well.

12 or 13 celsius on that north sea coast, but where we've got mostly dry weather towards the southwest, 17 or 18 celsius. not feeling too chilly into wednesday morning. again, a cool start to the day. plenty of bright weather. first thing, a few more showers develop across eastern england. elsewhere, it stays mostly dry as a ridge of high pressure builds in. that leads to a settled end to the day on wednesday, but it's only ahead of the next batch of rain moving for in thursday and fri day. >> friday. >> looks like things are heating up boxt boilers as sponsors of weather on

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dems, if they get into power, be dragging us back into the eu? we'll be discussing that in just a moment . france calls a snap a moment. france calls a snap election as the eu veers to the right emmanuel macron, beaten by le pen in the european parliament and a suella braverman man. the former home secretary calls for the right to be united and says she'll welcome farage into the fold. will it work? we'll be speaking to nadine dorries. but first, here's the news with polly middlehurst . middlehurst. >> thanks very much, camilla, and good evening to you. the top story from the gp newsroom tonight is that two little boys have become the first youngest convicted murderers in britain since the murder of two year old james bulger in 1993. the 12 year olds were found guilty of murdering a man with a machete in a wolverhampton park. they stabbed 19 year old sean

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