into power, be dems, if they get into power, be dragging us back into the eu.7 we'll dragging us back into the eu? we'll be discussing that in just a moment . france calls a snap a moment. france calls a snap election as the eu veers to the right emmanuel macron, beaten by le pen in the european parliament and a suella braverman man. the former home secretary calls for the right to be united and says she'll welcome farage into the fold. will it work? we'll be speaking to nadine dorries. but first, here's the news with polly middlehurst . middlehurst. >> thanks very much, camilla, and good evening to you. the top story from the gp newsroom tonight is that two little boys have become the first youngest convicted murderers in britain since the murder of two year old james bulger in 1993. the 12 year olds were found guilty of murdering a man with a machete in a wolverhampton park. they stabbed 19 year old sean

season—high in november last yean season—high in november last year, and the jury's decision to convict them was unanimous as well. away from that news today and onto politics. and the prime minister said he never considered quitting, despite heavy criticism over his early departure from d—day commemorations in normandy last week . it commemorations in normandy last week. it comes commemorations in normandy last week . it comes after the prime week. it comes after the prime minister kept something of a low profile over the weekend, avoiding questions questions from reporters as rumours increased. he may step down. he's now vowing he won't stop fighting for the future of the uk. meanwhile, labour's promising to deliver free breakfast clubs in schools, part of a new childcare plan they say will save parents over £400 a yeah will save parents over £400 a year. they're also claiming it will cut almost half a million days of school absences . and for days of school absences. and for parents who already pay for before school, childcare , labour before school, childcare, labour says funded breakfast clubs could cost cut the cost of up to £50 a week. the labour leader,

sir keir starmer, insists the policy will help working parents get back to work . now, as you've get back to work. now, as you've been hearing, the liberal democrat leader , sir ed davey, democrat leader, sir ed davey, has launched his party's manifesto today with a pitch to voters based on boosting the nhs and social care. said also said that unlike those of labour and the tories, their plans were fully costed. the party leader said more people are coming over to the liberal democrat cause , to the liberal democrat cause, and reform uk has been setting out its economic policy for the election campaign today. their plans include raising the personal tax threshold to £20,000, abolishing ir35 legislation for sole traders and raising the vat threshold for small businesses to around £150,000. just a quick word for you about what's happening in france. emmanuel macron, the president there, says the country needs a clear majority in government for what he's calling serenity and harmony.

after the president's shock decision to call a snap election. he made the announcement following defeat to the right wing national rally party in european polls , which party in european polls, which has also resulted in belgium's prime minister saying he'll resign. and here, pro—palestinian activists have targeted 20 branches of barclays across england and scotland. palestine action the pressure group, and shut the system pressure group, sprayed red paint, threw rocks and smashed windows at locations including london, bristol and edinburgh. they say they're demanding the company divest itself from israel's weapons trade and fossil fuels. barclays says it recognises the profound human suffering caused by the conflict in gaza. that's the news for the latest stories. do sign up to gb news alerts. scan the qr code on your screen or go to gb news. common alerts .

common alerts. >> welcome back to vote 2024 with me camilla tominey. let's get stuck into this for a fair deal get stuck into this for a fair deal. the liberal democrat manifesto i was at the launch today. some interesting protestations on brexit. but first of all, let's just have a look back at ed davey campaign. so far. first of all, we've seen him paddleboarding . there he is. him paddleboarding. there he is. look in lake windermere, on one hand complaining about sewage, but on the other hand , quite but on the other hand, quite happy to swim in the water. and then of course, we had that spectacle of him riding down a hill on a bike in the style of a seven year old. i suppose you'd put it with his legs in the air. and then let's not forget my personal favourite ed davey on a slip n slide . there he is. look slip n slide. there he is. look in his wetsuit once more. so look, we've seen him being quite attention seeking on the campaign trail, as you'd imagine, because not everybody is talking about ed davey today. to be fair to is talking about ed davey today. to be fairto him, he did is talking about ed davey today. to be fair to him, he did launch the manifesto , though. as the manifesto, though. as i said, it's here. there's a

particularly interesting couple of paragraphs there, and he made a little bit of a reference to it in his speech, but buried away on page 112 of the 114 page manifesto, is a pledge to seek to rejoin the eu single market taking. and i quote, steps on the road to eu membership, which remains their longer term objective . so tonight i'm going objective. so tonight i'm going to ask you this should hard brexit be revisited? now i'm not necessarily saying because i don't want just a straight answer to this question, you know, yes or no. should we rejoin the eu? i don't want it to be that specific. what i'm asking you really, because i know a lot of you will have voted for brexit. should it be revisited because is it actually working? boris johnson promised to get brexit done, but is it actually working or do we need to revisit parts of it in the vein of ed davey? in this manifesto ? so i know, take manifesto? so i know, take a deep breath and get in touch. email me at gbviews@gbnews.uk

with your views please, on that, and we'll revisit that a little later as well, sir davey wasted no time in getting back on the campaign trail. just a couple of hours later , he was filmed. hours later, he was filmed. would you believe riding rush at thorpe park ? thorpe park? yes. what fun is having ? yes. yes. what fun is having? yes. and i'll tell you who else is having fun. because he joined ed davey at thorpe park. is christopher gb news, political editor . that's why he rides. christopher gb news, political editor. that's why he rides. did you go on zero? >> i'm so busy working for you. so busy at theme park? yes. it sounds like hard work to me. that was my film there. he was literally almost kicking me in the head as he flew. >> i love about you how multitasking you are. you're writing in notebooks, you're filming, filming, you're in the studio talking to me, so look, just give us the top highlights of this manifesto. what was he trying to what's what's the message? he's trying to give the

electorate? >> i think it's very interesting. manifesto. it is facing both labour and tory voters because that's what the lib dems do . they define lib dems do. they define themselves against a bigger opponent. so on the labour side, they would end the two limit cap on benefits, they would champion a human rights act and they'll give free school meals for all children in poverty , and add in children in poverty, and add in the 0.7% on aid for the tory voters reform. ir35, the triple lock for pensions add back 100,000 strong army, 2.5% on defence. it's so fascinating how they are basically wherever they are in the country they are facing, they define themselves against the bigger opponent and thatis against the bigger opponent and that is quite effective. >> can i just say on this? this is what struck me about it. our fair deal in so many ways, things in our country are broken. the economy, the national health service , the national health service, the climate, the housing market are all in crisis. after years of conservative neglect. this could have been written by nigel farage. >> yes, well, just that part and there is some read across of farage on ir35 reform, other areas. it also the big tax measure here is lifting the personal tax free threshold,

which danny alexander brought in back in 2010. the tories nicked. it was so good. that was when it went up to about 12,000. now, yes, we do know that reform want to go to 20,000. >> well he's announced that today actually. i mean that's the lib dems that i'm going to bnng the lib dems that i'm going to bring nick harvey into. forgive me in a minute. just to talk about the eu story that he talked about. >> he reopened the brexit wounds because he said again, there's a four stage plan to get towards a re—entry of a single market. that's david's big idea. that's where we are rule takers and we are subject to, and we enjoy being in the single market, but we can't make the rules. we're not rule makers. that's a difference. yes and you asked them about this. i asked them that very thing in a, in a, in an interview with gb news in thorpe park. here's what he had to say. >> one of the things we like to do is to get a better trade deal do is to get a better trade deal. and the trade deal that bofis deal. and the trade deal that boris johnson, the conservatives got has been a disaster. >> that's been reviewed, of course, isn't it. yeah, yeah. >> so there's a chance to review it and we get a much better trade deal. i've spoken with european politicians who say, you know what it trade is in our

mutual benefit. we don't like open all the horrors of no errors, just just to do business of brexit. no, we don't want to do that. we absolutely don't want to do that because it was for many people, it was it was exhausting. and that's one of the reasons why we're we're being, i think, very practical, very realistic. taking a step by step approach. but i do genuinely think better relationships with your neighbours is a good thing. >> oh, there we are. everybody needs good neighbours. oh yes, i find it slightly incongruous. and i'll ask you this in a moment. you know, this idea of wanting to rejoin the eu now it's lurched somewhat to the right, but anyway, talking of the right. yes. do you see what i've done there? yes nigel farage was out and about today and he was talking about tax. what did he say? >> say? well, he's very keen on reform of ir35 for the self—employed. he wants and he pushed this idea which we have heard before from richard tice, about £20,000 tax free threshold. what that means is you can earn up to 20,000 a year and not pay any income tax. how that's paid for is a different matter. and of course we'll be interrogating reform about that. that's what he's saying. but the

tory party acquired a day to day because we're looking into their manifesto launch tomorrow, we'll be there rishi sunak been doing because i think i picked up dunng because i think i picked up during a very busy day. >> chris, he's still apologising for d—day. yes. >> he wants veterans to forgive him. right. which is, you know, that's the day for is it? yes. >> should we invite the prime minister on now? and a veteran. and we can just have them together in this studio. we just draw a line. i mean, it rumbles on a bit. >> he's trying to i mean, he really he. the original sin was coming home early, wasn't it, from the beaches. and he can't get around that. he's got to say sorry. >> aren't we over it now? are we overit? over it? >> i'm not sure. voters are. i'm heanng >> i'm not sure. voters are. i'm hearing a lot from from core tory members , anecdotally, tory members, anecdotally, they're upset about it. and had it been imagine it been keir starmer. i don't think it would be forgotten on day four because he has got to he has so much to rebuild post. corbyn. he really couldn't afford this mistake . couldn't afford this mistake. the sad thing for tory party is they felt they could make this mistake. >> all right, well look, i'll see you tomorrow because i'm going up to the manifesto launch as well. so we'll be there

together and there'll be reporting on it all day. and of course, on this show tomorrow at seven. thank you very much, chris. hope. stop having so much fun. what a time to be alive and to be a journalist. now let's bnng to be a journalist. now let's bring into the conversation sir nick harvey, who joins me in the studio, former ceo of the liberal democrats and armed forces minister. so let's discuss this brexit thing because in what way would rejoining the single market be either liberal or democratic? >> well, the real problem is that not having unfettered access to the single market is costing britain a fortune. it is estimated that it's between a four and 5% of gdp. black hole . four and 5% of gdp. black hole. that's at least 100 billion. we know the treasury takes 40% of gdp as tax revenue. so that's a £40 billion annual black hole at the treasury. and here we see the treasury. and here we see the parties, you know, tripping over themselves to say there'll be no tax increases. they'll only borrow to invest. they're all ruling out with the exception of ed davey, the single market. how on earth does anybody think they're going to

grow the economy, repair public services , and get the economy services, and get the economy growing? and on a level footing without doing something about this terrible damage we've done in terms of our cross border trade with europe. >> i mean, we'll get the response from gb views and listeners in a moment to what they think has happened with brexit. but i refer you back to my original question. this was a referendum that people were told would be a vote for a lifetime term. we've now got sir ed davey. i mean, he's put it quite subtly on page 112, but let's be honest, he's desperate to rejoin the eu again. i ask you, what's liberal or indeed democratic about that suggestion? people were told in 2016 that we were going to keep all the economic advantages of being in europe. >> what we were getting rid of was the political union, and we would reclaim the ability to control our borders. how is that going , by the way? and what control our borders. how is that going, by the way? and what has happenedis going, by the way? and what has happened is that we have lost all the economic benefits of being in the european single

market. but as your political editor was just saying a minute ago, we still have to obey the rules. it doesn't matter whether you're american, chinese , you're american, chinese, japanese, brazilian or whatever. if you want to sell into the european single market, the world's most lucrative market, you are obliged to play by its rules and the court of justice in europe is the arbiter. we used to be rule makers. now we're rule takers. and if the nafion we're rule takers. and if the nation wants to change its mind, it's perfectly entitled to change its mind . change its mind. >> a referendum for a lifetime, wasn't it? i mean, hang on a minute. let's also just go back here, sir. >> nick, there is no such thing as a referendum for a lifetime. it doesn't exist. it's not. >> let's just go back to the beginning of this. who agitated for this referendum in the first place? this is another thing that the lib dems has got in common with nigel farage. the lib dems called for this referendum. we had the referendum. we had the referendum. you guys lost. >> yes, absolutely . >> yes, absolutely. >> yes, absolutely. >> so why would you? so basically, is it a case that you

just want to replay the referendum until that ed davey has talked about, about rejoining, he thinks can happen in the next parliament. >> that's not really what we're talking about today. what he's interestingly brought into play is the question of the single market. now, that's not straightforward . that couldn't straightforward. that couldn't happen overnight. that would take the best part of the five years of this parliament to resolve. anyway. i'm just going to look at some of the language. >> hang on. let's see, in 2016. >> yes. but we would be sitting here four years after brexit with a 40 billion hole in public finances, which is equal to £0.07 on your basic level of income tax. >> do you blame brexit or the people who have delivered brexit? because some would say that there's been a complete surrender by the politicians on using the powers given to them by the people in 2016? >> well, i would blame the way the political community responded after the vote. the vote, as camilla says, was one

that was clear, but it was won incredibly narrowly and it was frankly, in my view, a mandate for a vote. yes, yes. agreed, agreed. but it was a it was a narrow mandate. and to interpret that as a mandate for the hardest brexit you could possibly achieve was a distortion of what it actually people might go back to the chequers deal and say it was a bum deal, and that everything kind of, you know, then boris johnson is having to deal with a hospital pass to try and make something better out of what was a dog's ear created by theresa may, but largely because of the pressure, largely because of the pressure, largely because of the pressure of remainers, you sort of dictating what kind of brexit it should be. >> but let's just look at the language here. liberal democrats will immediately fix our broken relationship with europe , forge relationship with europe, forge a new partnership built on cooperation, not compromise confrontation and move to conclude a new comprehensive agreement that removes as many barriers to trade as possible. what does that mean? fix our broken relationship with europe. >> that is referring precisely to the point. you asked me about

a second ago. the decision was taken. we left . but then mistake taken. we left. but then mistake upon mistake upon mistake was made as to show how much we were . we went for the hardest possible version of brexit. and what this means is unpicking some. if we rejoin , we have to some. if we rejoin, we have to rejoin with new conditions attached. >> obviously we would then have to accept free movement. that's somewhat in contradiction with what you're saying in this manifesto about immigration. you're saying that you want to stop the smuggling in trafficking gangs. i mean, they're largely based across europe. so you bring back free movement, let the smuggling and the criminal gangs roam around the criminal gangs roam around the uk with their passports unchecked. >> we do that. >> we do that. >> you say to me, you want to do this? i'm not on your programme as a liberal democrat spokesperson. i'm here as the chief executive of the european movement, and i'm supporting this. are you? what i would say to you is that if we are serious about tackling the migration problem , which the whole of problem, which the whole of europe is suffering from, you

can't do it on your own in splendid isolation. it's like king canute sitting, trying to turn the waves back. it can only be done in cooperation with the european member states through whom the migrants are passing. >> what's the end game? you said there won't be a single market re—entry in this parliament. that's by 2029. what about the end of the next decade? because what sir ed davey wouldn't do when we asked him for gb news today is give any indication of timeline on that, on that ambition of stage four re—entry to the single market, is it is it within ten years? and is it is it within 20 years? we're back in the european union. in your view. >> or if you're asking me my view, it can't be achieved in less than ten years. but i would have gotit less than ten years. but i would have got it rejoined the european union. but i would have expected it to be achieved within 20. >> and that will happen. >> and that will happen. >> i believe. >> i believe. >> so wow, and what about that point that we raised earlier about, you know, we're going to discuss it later on in the show, this kind of rightwards drift of the european parliament. it's not quite the eu that we left in

2016, is it? and yet a party thatis 2016, is it? and yet a party that is sort of unashamedly sort of pro asylum and pro quite a lot of left wing policies is then seeking to get further entrenched with presumably european politicians that sir ed davey feels he has nothing at all in common with, well, european elections have always been strange things in terms of people registering protest votes. >> i remember the green party here surging to 15, largely at the expense of the conservatives, but it didn't affect votes that came back. it's worth just making the point that in these european elections , nearly three quarters of the voters have voted for mainstream , solidly pro—european parties. yes, we have seen, progress by the far right. maybe we had our far right movements moments here in 2016 and 2019. far right. and now we're coming back. >> well, i don't think we've had any far right moments. >> well, that's your view. others might might disagree. >> but farage won twice, didn't he? in 2014, 2019 and never got

one more than one mp in election. so that's the point. >> there's a protest vote if that's exactly the point. but i think you'll find that the european union will recover from this. it's not going to feel comfortable having all these right wingers in its parliament, but the basic core business of the eu will continue regardless . the eu will continue regardless. yes, have you lost the argument? do you think though. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> well, because i mean why is the european union i mean it's you're on the show later camilla isn't it. but why are people voting more increasingly for right wing parties. they're concerned about migration. >> brussels by the way on the greens. the greens absolutely tanked. so it seems as if the era of sort of praising greta thunberg is well and truly over in europe . i mean, they've in europe. i mean, they've turned against net zero and they've turned against mass immigration. two of the keynote policies in this manifesto, political tides come and go and the rise of right wing populists is something we can observe globally. >> that said , mr modi has just

>> that said, mr modi has just had a setback in india. we don't know who's going to win the american election , you know, american election, you know, these things are not uniquely british and they're not uniquely european. that is just part and parcel of people's dissatisfaction in the modern democratic world. >> sir nick harvey, thank you, chris. >> sir nick harvey, thank you, chns.thank >> sir nick harvey, thank you, chris. thank you again . i love chris. thank you again. i love that you've got involved in this debate. it's been very interesting . thank you both to interesting. thank you both to you both, coming up next, as i said, we're going to be discussing those eu parliament elections in a bit more detail, but particularly from the parisian angle and having a discussion about the snap french election that emmanuel macron has just called, would you believe it concludes by the end of the month, they've got shorter elections in france r ,so , so we'll be discussing that in

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rejoining the eu back on the table? is it a good idea? should brexit be revisited ? let's see brexit be revisited? let's see what you've got to say. arthur says definitely not. we had the vote and won. well, this was a point that i was trying to make to sir nick harvey on behalf of the liberal democrats. i mean, you know, surely a once in a lifetime, a once in a generation vote is exactly that. it's a little bit like the independence referendum up in scotland. surely david says, sure, let's have another one in another 40 years and then take eight years to accept the result. it's such a good point. although isn't it slightly nuts to think that it has been eight years since the referendum result? carol says brexit is working . we should brexit is working. we should complete the break. unelected meps should have no control over us. well there you have it. shall we delve a little further into those european election results? and indeed, emmanuel macron's calling of a snap election in france, just to go over the top headlines from the european parliament elections. they've seen the right and

harder right, have a good weekend. in france, italy and germany, marine le pen beat macron's party around 30% to 15, and that's why he had to call that snap election the extreme right . i that snap election the extreme right. i think that snap election the extreme right . i think that's probably right. i think that's probably the right description, because some of the politicians in the afd have said some pretty dodgy things about nazism in germany. germany has made gains and in italy, the brothers of italy was made up 31% of the vote, which is up 6. so let's concentrate on the parisian end of things. we're joined tonight by times reporter david chazan. lovely to see you, david. thank you very much indeed for your time on what i know has been a very busy day and indeed weekend . so what day and indeed weekend. so what do we make of this? i mean, did this, did this take macron completely by surprise? because obviously nobody was expecting an election this quickly ? an election this quickly? >> no. i think macron is probably the only person in france who was not taken by surprise by the dissolution of parliament and the snap election . all of the polls predicted

this result in the european elections, so macron knew it was coming . he elections, so macron knew it was coming. he had elections, so macron knew it was coming . he had thought about it coming. he had thought about it and he had decided that he would surprise everybody. stunned the country by calling this election. and that's exactly what he did. even some of his closest allies, his ministers, his advisors were caught by surprise. >> interesting . and what's the >> interesting. and what's the reaction been like on the streets of paris? david >> well, it's very, very different. i mean , tonight there different. i mean, tonight there are demonstrations against the populist. right, national rally, the hard right, whatever you want to call them in paris , in want to call them in paris, in marseille, in other french cities, there was one in paris last night. almost immediately after president macron, called the snap election. and i think what we're going to see is a fairly acrimonious and polarised

, debate. election campaign now, because this is it becomes very emotional when you've got, a hard right party, versus the liberal centrist camp of president macron at the same time , you've got left wing time, you've got left wing parties in france, you've got the centre right. but this is something that most people feel very strongly about . and marine very strongly about. and marine le pen's party, it's a bit like marmite , right? you either marmite, right? you either loathe it or you love it . and so loathe it or you love it. and so there are people who are rejoicing because they think that this party now has its first real chance at power , and first real chance at power, and there are other people who are, very distressed because they can't believe what's happening in france and how the political landscape is being redrawn.

>> and david, on that note, i mean, macron is obviously still french president , mean, macron is obviously still french president, i think until 2027 when it comes to these parliamentary elections. i mean, what chance does le pen and her party have of taking power? >> well, if you look at the results from the european election yesterday, they do have a very real chance. however i don't think that they will win an absolute majority. the betting is off on that. it could happen, but it doesn't appear likely at the moment . however, likely at the moment. however, they could emerge as the as the single biggest party in parliament, and then they would need to find coalition partners and they would need to negotiate , perhaps make concessions on policies , to find partners, to policies, to find partners, to then form a government. because this being france, what we would then have would be a rather

cunous then have would be a rather curious system whereby the president comes from one party and the prime minister and the government from another, but, you know, i think they would probably need to form a coalition to do that. and so today they've been reaching out today they've been reaching out to the conservative republicans party , and they've been party, and they've been indicating that they want to engagein indicating that they want to engage in discussions with people outside the national rally, beyond their immediate political , family or political political, family or political camp. so they're very much aware of that. and that's also probably something they feel they need to do for their campaign to show that, okay, they're they're willing to do that. >> david chazan we'll leave it there because your connection slightly breaking up. but thank you very much indeed for filling us in on what's been happening across the channel, now , a very, across the channel, now, a very, very distressing story. next,

i'm afraid, 212 year old boys found guilty of stabbing a 19 year old man are home and security editor mark white is across this story. mike. mike this is absolutely horrific, isn't it ? isn't it? >> yeah, camilla is the kind of story that we would have reported on anyway , given the reported on anyway, given the horrific nature of the attack . horrific nature of the attack. using a machete with multiple blows , including one wound that blows, including one wound that went right through this young man's back and through his ribcage and into his heart, that was the fatal blow. so an absolutely terrible incident, but much more notable given that those who have now been convicted of this young 19 year old sean spicer , his murder, are old sean spicer, his murder, are just 12 years old. and of course, lots of questions about how on earth two boys as young as 12 were carrying about a

machete. but the witnesses dunng machete. but the witnesses during this month long trial at nottingham crown court said that these boys regularly had a machete and other knives that they would carry take turns in carrying and waving around and threatening people. this incident happened last november incident happened last november in a park in wolverhampton, it was into the evening and mr cci and a teenage friend of his were in the park. they had some kind of altercation with the 212 year olds. at that point, according to the court, one of the 12 year old boys produced this machete and started chasing after them. well, one of the boys managed to get away, but sean zahawi tripped and fell. he was jumped upon by these two boys, who then began beating and kicking and stabbing them. with this machete, and he died a short time later . machete, and he died a short time later. now, mr spicer, his parents have been talking to

west midlands police on the website for that force. they put out some of that interview. we can have a listen to that now. >> i was outside in the living room and her phone rings and she answered the call and she starts crying . i asked her what crying. i asked her what happened.she crying. i asked her what happened. she said, sean gets stabbed. i said, what happened? she started to cry. she cannot talk . take the phone from talk. take the phone from her, i asked him, i said, what happened to sean? he said, sean gets stabbed. i said, sean, it's okay. he said, no, sean pass away. >> she keeps saying that now. soon she will graduate. next two years from now she expect her brothers to be there. she crying that she don't have a brother anymore. and that affects us a lot when she see things like that and she keeps crying. it's hard on her right now. it's very

i >> -- >> now 5mm >> now these two boys are the youngest to be convicted of murder since 1993, when robert thompson and john venables were convicted and then named for murdering two year old james bulger. there has been an application by the press for these 212 year olds to be named . these 212 year olds to be named. but of course, we're in a different era now where judges take into consideration, much more, in, you know, in a much more, in, you know, in a much more proactive way, the concern is and the issues surrounding an offender as well. so, it remains to be seen whether these two boys will be named, but clearly , boys will be named, but clearly, there is a public appetite for them to be named. and also, for some real questions to be asked about how two boys as young as

12 could have been going around with deadly weapons quite publicly, for some time before this murder. >> mark white thank you very much indeed for summarising all of that. i mean, 12 years old, carrying machetes, i must say. i mean , not just speaking as mean, not just speaking as a journalist, but as a mum. you know, i actually think they should be named because this was a completely unprovoked attack on somebody who had done nothing. i mean, to be knifing people anyway. i mean, mark will keep abreast of the situation because i'm sure there will be an application by lots of journalists to name these two. but thank you very much indeed for summarising what is such a horrifically tragic story. now coming up. as suella braverman has said, the conservative party should welcome nigel farage to unite the right. i'll be asking nadine dorries what she thinks. stay

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me. camilla tominey. now, we did have a section on this show back in the day, which was called what, the farage. but we've changed the name of it to cam. you believe it? i have presented this show under this guise before, so can you believe it? and it's to basically highlight some crazy stories going on in the news. now, i must admit, sorry to blow my own trumpet, but i am at the centre of this row because those of you who are familiar with my sunday morning gb news show will know that i've made a habit of trying to find out from shadow ministers so labour ministers what they will do in the event of their vat plan for private schools backfiring in their faces and up until yesterday i asked, i think, four different shadow ministers to tell me what will happen to those private school pupils whose parents can no longer afford the fees. they'll obviously then remove them from private schools, put them into the state sector. there's a debate about how many children will be affected. the institute for fiscal studies says it's 40,000. it could be 40,000 kids.

others are more conservative, but basically there could be thousands of kids that need to be accommodated in already oversubscribed state schools. so i've repeatedly asked this question of all of these labour mps, what will you do? how will you accommodate them? are you going to build temporary classrooms ? what will happen? classrooms? what will happen? and i kept on getting batted away. no it's just lobbying. it's scaremongering. this is never going to happen and all the rest of it, until i interviewed shadow attorney general emily thornberry on the show yesterday , this is what she show yesterday, this is what she had to say. >> you know , and if we have to, >> you know, and if we have to, in the short term, have have larger classes, we have larger classes, you know, the, the, the so you will make classes larger to accommodate . to accommodate. >> so obviously i was quite shocked by that . i was shocked shocked by that. i was shocked to get a response. oh, we've had a response to my question. who'd have thought it. and then i was quite shocked because obviously the admission by labour that they wouldn't mind class sizes being bigger. it's quite shocking, not least because tony

blair campaigned in 1997 to keep classes in state schools below 30. anyway, it's caused a bit of a ruckus among labour, and this morning the labour leader, keir starmer, quickly rowed back on thornberry's claims , we've had thornberry's claims, we've had the analysis by the ifs on this, which says that there will be a negligible impact. so we're very confident about that . confident about that. >> point of fact. keir starmer i don't think up to 40,000 pupils leaving the private sector and going into state schools is a negligible amount. i mean, it might happen over the course of time. there's also other evidence to suggest. i mean, the, organisation that represents school governors, for instance, has said they've seen a significant uplift in applications to state schools from private school pupils and their parents. so anyway, he said it was negligible. but where does all this come from? you might ask yourselves , is it you might ask yourselves, is it some sort of well thought out labour policy, or is it the politics of envy? well, while

labour was insisting their tax plan won't have a significant impact on class sizes, footage unearthed by the political news site guido fawkes reveals that deputy leader angela rayner would, you believe, wanted to go even further. this is what she said in 2018. >> we are not all the same and we should be celebrated for the people we are. we will end the marketisation and privatisation of our education. >> now you might spot in that footage, i think , is rachel footage, i think, is rachel reeves, the woman wanting to be the next chancellor . so this is the next chancellor. so this is what we have. we have a labour policy which i mean, to all intents and purposes, makes some sense, right? you know, maybe it's wrong that private schools get this vat tax break at the expense of state schools that are constantly needing more funding. and in their case, labour have pledged to recruit 6500 more teachers for the state sector. they've also announced today, by the way, a scheme to serve breakfast to all kids in state schools. so it's all onorable aims. but my question

still remains it works only if it isn't self—defeating. i think they think that this is a policy that only affects the parents of private school pupils, but it doesn't, does it? if there's the admission that state school classrooms are going to become more overcrowded as a result of this policy, which is why i'm saying tonight on the labour vat plan to add up to private school fee bills. can you believe it doesn't seem to me to properly stack up? anyway we're going to be discussing uniting the right in just a moment with tobias ellwood. and we're also going to be talking about an intriguing story with the lionesses doing so well and women's football on the rise, why is one extremely prosperous, prosperous football team which has got loads of young girls and women wanting to r , closing down? we'll be discussing all

welcome back to vote 2024 with me. camilla tominey. i did say earlier, we were going to speak to nadine dorries about uniting the right, but unfortunately, we can't get hold of her. she may well be plotting with boris johnson as we speak, or sticking pins into a voodoo doll of michael gove, for all i know. but anyway, i'll tell you who i can speak to about uniting the right. and that is our very own tom harwood who joins me in the studio because state of the nafion studio because state of the nation is coming up at 8 pm. now, can we have a little chat about our former colleague nigel farage? yes, because he's got into a little bit of hot water. tom, it's not the first time this has happened. let's be honest. >> seems like a frequent occurrence. >> see? so he's been accused of dog whistle politics after attacking rishi sunak. and this was after the whole d—day debacle. and he basically said that he missed the later events in normandy because he doesn't, quote, care about our culture. now, that in itself maybe makes a suggestion or two, but i think what compounded it is it came after lee anderson had suggested that one of the reasons why he

didn't make omaha beach is because he doesn't really understand the importance of the commemorations, because his parents didn't serve in world war ii. okay, so it's all you're cringing a little bit, and i think it's right to i think it's right to cringe. i think i'm cringing at lee anderson's comments. >> however, i do think that there's an argument that what nigel has said has been over interpreted doesn't care about our culture. now, how do you interpret the word are? does he mean are, as in all of our culture or are is an exclusive word? and i think that that's entirely ambiguous. yes, sometimes you can dance on the head of a pin talking about these issues, because anything that you say can be over interpreted, interpreted. i'm reminded actually, of one of our former colleagues, alastair stewart. yes. now, when he worked at itv and had a twitter account, and when people sort of were were silly or rude on there, he would often quote a line from shakespeare about dancing monkeys. yes. and he'd quote that at lots and lots of people. he once had the unfortunate incident of doing

that to someone who happened to be black. yes. and that was used as a mechanism to fire him from his job, even though he'd said the same thing to lots. >> the intention wasn't to inqu >> the intention wasn't to insult like that, but that's how it's interpreted, mel stride, the work and pensions secretary, reacted to farage's comments. this is in direct reaction to farage's comments, not anderson's , by saying they were anderson's, by saying they were deeply regrettable. it's an ill advised thing to have said. i feel very uncomfortable with that. the truth of the matter is, though, is that people are quite uncomfortable with this kind of sentiment expressed as well by anderson . it's like well by anderson. it's like they've got to be careful here because there's many tories that they attract. they'll also repel when it comes to voting on july the 4th. >> this is where they have to be incredibly careful, >> this is where they have to be incredibly careful , because they incredibly careful, because they know they're under more scrutiny than any other party. and we saw just recently a candidate for reform talking about how the uk should have been neutral in world war ii. and i think that the response from reform left a lot to be desired. they said, oh, he was doing some sort of intellectual exercise about it. the this this guy's in an

unwinnable seat. the simple, easy solution is to say, get lost. >> i had this same discussion on sunday with richard tice, one of the candidates that they had deselected. they've now reselected. he's tweeted some dodgy stuff. i appreciate everybody's past. isn't crystal clear, but at the same time, due diligence. you know, if some people don't look like they're fit for office, don't stand for office. tom, thank you very much. let's get the view from a one nation conservative. now, i'm joined by tobias ellwood, the conservative candidate and former conservative defence minister. tobias, what do you reckon would you welcome nigel farage into the party with open arms , as has been suggested by arms, as has been suggested by suella braverman ? suella braverman? >> no, not at all. i mean, there's some fundamentals here that are, i think, misunderstood. no party on the left or right wins elections when they move to the extremes, which is what is being suggested here. jeremy corbyn illustrated it with labour when our party looks united, looks focused and governs from the centre right as our history shows, going back to

, disraeli, baldwin, churchill, thatcher as well, and indeed david cameron harnessing the talents from all wings of the party, light blue and dark blue, blue. our appeal goes way beyond our party base and we gain general support across the country. and we win . and i think country. and we win. and i think you just illustrated it there as well. in uk politics, 25% plus 10% does not equal 35. adding the poll numbers of the conservatives and reform does not give you a winning formula, as you'll haemorrhage votes from the middle ground. so this is also suggesting a change in ideology too. it's very , very ideology too. it's very, very dangerous indeed. we have now a leader that we can rally behind. he's moved us into calmer political waters . fiscal political waters. fiscal responsibility has returned. >> the election is this week. >> the election is this week. >> he hasn't. let's focus on that, tobias. >> come on. he didn't. he navigated you into the choppiest waters. possible. halfway across the channel as he was leaving normandy early to go and do an itv interview. what are you talking about? i mean, it's

nearly sunk the campaign. >> no, not at all. i think . >> no, not at all. i think. okay, you make your point and you know, we can. you can smile about that. there's a bigger thing to be considered here as to if you want to ask about rishi sunak's commitment to the military, he's the only, leader. i understand that's actually committed to moving to 2.5. he's the only leader that's invested more effort in our veterans, and he's the only leader controversial that it may be because of pushing forward national service that recognises that we've entered a very dangerous era in our history, that we are going to regroup . we that we are going to regroup. we do need to recognise that storm clouds are gathering once again . clouds are gathering once again. what are we going to do about it to increase and improve our defence posture? that's what the rishi sunak has done. but absolutely right. i'm not taking it away. he should not have left on the second half of the day. the international day, when originally even joe biden wasn't going to attend either. it was wrong. the optics looked terrible. i'm not going to take away from that at all.

>> absolutely recognise that tobias. >> you know, when you talk about dark blue and light blue, i mean, who do you consider? are you saying that you think farage is just too dark blue for the party that is dark blue? >> it's not just about dark blue. it's the style of what reform does and what they actually stand for, not reform voters. because i understand and, you know, some of the attraction perhaps, and certainly on migration is why they might want to support that way. but political leadership is about winning the argument. it's about winning the argument. it's about inspiring others to join your cause, not belittling your opponents at every opportunity with populist rhetoric, conservativism, conservative ism is about leading the nation, not dividing it . is about leading the nation, not dividing it. it's about finding solutions to our challenges, not playing on the anger and blaming others. it's about promoting a strong , secure britain that strong, secure britain that steps forward into harm's way to defend our values. it certainly is not about appeasing adversaries , as reformists adversaries, as reformists suggested today, suggesting britain would be better off, as you just described, if it had taken hitler up on his offer of

neutrality. i mean, what an insult. >> one final point. >> one final point. >> let me just finish this point. maybe this this is important . what an insult to the important. what an insult to the generation that we've actually just taken our hats off and said thank you to at the 80th anniversary, churchill must be turning in his grave. you know, i get why, as i say, might people might vote to look for reform. but you now get a better understanding of what reality stands for when it comes to reform. they are disruptive, force, devoid of any serious policy, playing on anger and any support it receives will only play support it receives will only play into the hands of labour. >> all right. literally we need such a short answer to this one because the weather's coming up fast. but you say all this and yet there are a lot of people in the one nation group that railed against boris johnson , against boris johnson, criticised him. that wasn't uniting the right and actually , uniting the right and actually, he's light blue, isn't he? he's one of yours. >> yes. it was a very different circumstance , circumstances that circumstance, circumstances that less led to the breach of trust with the british people because of the lockdowns and so forth. it went through a program and it

was eventually, i'm afraid, it went through parliamentary scrutiny and he had to step back. >> okay, tobias, we have to leave it there. >> thank you so much for your time. this evening. sorry, but literally the show's just run away with us coming up next is state of the nation with tom harwood. but first, though, here's the weather with aidan mcgivern . mcgivern. >> looks like things are heating up. boxt boilers sponsors of weather on . gb news. weather on. gb news. >> hi there and welcome to the latest update from the met office for gb news. there's still some showers around during the next 24 hours, but also a few clear spells and under starry skies tonight . but starry skies tonight. but temperatures will fall. it's going to be a chilly one for june. we've got this northerly airflow and within those northerly winds we've still got some showers, especially for the north and the east coast. 1 or 2 inland elsewhere. but many of the inland showers will ease overnight, leading to plenty of clear spells, especially in the

south and the west, where we've got clear spells temperatures dipping to 7 or 8 celsius generally, but a little lower than that in some sheltered spots, and as a result, the potential for a grass frost first thing in 1 or 2 places. however despite the early june chill in the air, it's going to be a bright start to the day on tuesday. plenty of sunshine for southern england, parts of wales as well. in between the showers . as well. in between the showers. showers also affecting parts of northern ireland, especially towards the west, but plenty of bright weather away from those showers and again thicker cloud further north. a few showers running into the north of scotland and the north sea coast of england. but during the morning, what we'll see is the cloud build more generally across the uk and showers will again develop fairly widely . you again develop fairly widely. you could get a shower just about could get a showerjust about anywhere, but the most likely areas for frequent showers will be northern, central and eastern england , where those showers england, where those showers will be heavy at times. it's going to feel cool here as well.

12 or 13 celsius on that north sea coast, but where we've got mostly dry weather towards the southwest 17 or 18 celsius not feeling too chilly into wednesday morning. again, a cool start to the day . plenty of start to the day. plenty of bright weather. first thing a few more showers develop across eastern england. elsewhere, it stays mostly dry as a ridge of high pressure builds in that leads to a settled end to the day on wednesday, but it's only ahead of the next batch of rain moving in for thursday and fri day. >> friday. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on

gb news. >> good evening. i'm tom harwood, deputy political editor of gb news, bringing you the state of the nation's 2024 election coverage tonight . is election coverage tonight. is europe turning right? while

britain goes left? certainly looks that way. from the results of yesterday's eu elections, which saw major hard right gains across the continent. and speaking of the european union, the liberal democrats have issued their manifesto today. but you might have missed the small print that declared an intention to rejoin the european union and the labour party. private school tax saga drags on as an old video emerges showing angela rayner calling for the complete and total abolition of independent schools as recently as 2018, plus , have the tories as 2018, plus, have the tories failed to tackle de—banking? remember that well, as parliament was dissolved two weeks ago, so was the legislation designed to stop the practice? founder of the free speech union, toby young, joins me live in the studio to discuss his new petition. state of the nafion his new petition. state of the nation starts now .