there's a record number of also, there's a record number of people unemployed. so how on earth do we get britain back to work .7 also, one of the worst work? also, one of the worst failing police forces has apparently been turned around in record times. thanks to, i quote back to basics policing in that. just obvious though, sir. why amorphous is not following suit . amorphous is not following suit. >> cola and more to come. >> but first, let's grab tonight's latest news headlines . tonight's latest news headlines. >> michelle, thank you and good evening. the top stories sir keir starmer set out labour's manifesto today, reaffirming his commitment to no rises to income tax or national insurance . the tax or national insurance. the labour leader put economic growth and stability at the core of his party's plan, promising to end what he called a desperate era of gestures and gimmicks. back on the campaign trail in crewe, he rejected rishi sunak suggestion of higher

taxes and said britain will do better under labour. >> it is a manifesto that rejects fundamentally the proposition that britain can't do better than this, that we have to go on in the way we've been going on in the last 14 years. it is a rejection of that. britain can do better, britain will do better. and with our manifesto and a mandate for a labour government, we will take our country forward and that will be felt in every community across the country. >> but chief secretary to the treasury laura trott said labour's numbers would mean higher taxes. >> this is labour's tax trap manifesto. it only contains tax rises. no tax cuts under labour's own published figures, it will take the tax burden to levels never seen before in this country, and that doesn't even include the £2,000 of taxes which are going to levy on every working family across the country. so it's not actually so

much what is in this manifesto. it's what's not in this manifesto because labour have not ruled out taxing your home, your car, your pension. everyone at home needs to be very, very clear. their taxes will rise under the labour. >> the liberal democrats described labour's manifesto as a gamble on economic growth that fails to set out how wealth will be shared more evenly. ed davey joined his party's candidate for tunbridge wells, mike martin, at an obstacle course this afternoon. he said that trickle down economics will not fix broken britain and only his party has a plan to revive the nhs. need to have serious investment in health and care. >> we're suggesting £9 billion of investment to rescue our nhs, and we're talking about investment to help the poorest investment to help the poorest in our society, and we want to make sure that we've got the capital investment in social homes in the fight against climate change and making sure the nature crisis is dealt with. so we have an ambitious policy

package and the liberal democrats, and on top of that, we're the only party saying we need to reform our politics, the political system in our country is broken, and it's only the liberal democrats who are saying how we would fix that . how we would fix that. >> international news. all g7 countries have agreed to continue funding a loan package for ukraine worth nearly £40 billion. european commission president ursula von der leyen said the funds would be backed by proceeds from immobilised russian assets. rishi sunak left the election campaign trail today to join world leaders at the meeting in southern italy, us president joe biden is also urging fellow members to support ceasefire negotiations in gaza and encourage the hamas terror group to accept a proposal backed by israel . the family of backed by israel. the family of harry dunn have accused the us government of obstructing their son's inquest. the teenager was killed in 2019 when his motorcycle collided with a car

that was driving on the wrong side of the road. the driver and sacoolas, who was an employee of the us government, wasn't present at the four day inquest, nor were there any representatives of the us embassy. harry's mother , embassy. harry's mother, charlotte, says her son's memory has been disrespected . has been disrespected. >> if they further disrespected harry, they've disrespected the future that he could have had and it just further bolsters my opinion that they have totally have no regard for myself, my family and our wider family. they just don't care . they just don't care. >> us journalist evan gershevitch will stand trial in russia after investigators said he'd collected information for the cia. the wall street journal reporter has been detained since march last year on charges of espionage . prosecutors allege espionage. prosecutors allege that he was caught red handed trying to obtain military secrets related to a tank factory . the white house has factory. the white house has rejected those accusations, with president joe biden calling his detention totally illegal. if

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we live in. get a life. that's what i've got to say to you. but i can tell you what, though, because. look. look at this, everyone. happy birthday to gb news. did you realise we are three years old today? let's remind ourselves of my first ever dewbs& co test. quite a large protest actually happening today outside of downing street. gb news was there. there you go. there's some images, you know , there's some images, you know, there people are really angry . there people are really angry. enoughis there people are really angry. enough is enough. was the message that comes from there, people wanting to just have the choice now to get out there and live their lives again. yes. three years ago was saying enoughis three years ago was saying enough is enough. three years on, we're still saying absolutely the same thing. do you remember that that was the protest when many people were taking to the streets, having absolutely enough have been continuous . we locked down. we continuous. we locked down. we stood up for all of those people that wanted their freedoms back.

and we continue to do so to this day. so much overreach now isn't there, with the governments interfering into so many aspects where, quite frankly, we'd just much prefer they bought out anyway. look, i've learnt a lot over the last three years. not least, not to wear dresses like this on national television ever again, i'll leave it to your imagination to work out what i mean there, anyway, look, i have matured a little bit, and so is my wardrobe. anyway, i am michelle dewberry, and i'm with you till 7:00 tonight. and alongside me, my panel. i've got the professor of politics at the university of kent, matt goodwin , and the former labour minister, bill rammell. good evening gents. good evening, all of you. >> happy birthday, gb news. >> happy birthday, gb news. >> i know, and i've got to say, by the way, what a great achievement, because three years we've been fighting and battling, giving the ordinary man an opportunity to get their thoughts concerns head. and it's not been without challenges . not been without challenges. there's been a lot of people trying to get gb news shut down.

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always get in touch with my programme. all the usual ways. email gb views @gbnews. com you can go to the website gbnews.com/yoursay or of course twitter or x @gbnews, enough of the self—congratulation and celebration. then let's cross live to katherine forster to bnng live to katherine forster to bring us up to speed. apparently she's on the labour battle bus this evening. what have we missed today? catherine >> yes. good evening michelle from the labour battle bus. i've had a bit of an upgrade today. i've previously been on the press bus, which is just there on the left hand side. branding inside, but no branding on the outside. now i'm on the labour bus . full outside. now i'm on the labour bus. full branding around the whole bus. it's got a fridge . whole bus. it's got a fridge. something that angela rayner has talked about and sir keir starmer is just at the back at the moment. he came to have a little chat with us earlier he was talking to journalists at the back, but i was getting ready for this live with you.

he's just about to get off and do another visit. a bit earlier we were in crewe at the football ground and then of course at lunchtime there was the big manifesto launch, 130 pages, but summed up by that one word change. lots of very glossy photographs, keir starmer, the white cliffs of dover also , that white cliffs of dover also, that photo opportunity that rishi sunak missed last week. there's sir keir starmer with vladimir zelenskyy at those d—day commemorations. but you know, we've heard most of what's in here, frankly, before before they said no surprises. and that was a deliberate choice. they are, of course, 20 points ahead in the polls. people will be voting. we'll be going to the polls three weeks today. at the moment , polls three weeks today. at the moment, unless something spectacular happens, it's looking likely that sir keir starmer will be our next prime

minister. so he was asked about this , this, that there was this, this, that there was nothing particularly surprising in it. and he said, he said i'm running as a candidate to be prime minister, not as a candidate to run the circus. he's having none of it. he says they're bringing change and stability that might sound a bit odd, but the message is, he says, there's been 14 years of conservative chaos, stability , conservative chaos, stability, he says, is change. lots of questions, of course , about tax questions, of course, about tax rises. and they're laid out . the rises. and they're laid out. the conservatives are trying to paint labour as going to go for big tax rises. and i should say that the ifs, the institute for fiscal studies , labour's plans fiscal studies, labour's plans are fairly low key compared to the conservatives plans or the lib dems plans. but then, of course, the lib dems are not going to be in government in just over three weeks and nor probably are the conservatives. so the mood is very buoyant

here. they are cautious, of course, but they are very confident and very, very upbeat . confident and very, very upbeat. back to you, michelle. >> well, thank you very much for that. i spent a lot of that report looking at the fact that you've come dressed as the chair on the bus. how coordinated of you. anyway. thank you. look at that. do you see what i mean? everybody, can you see the chair? the dress all blends into one. i like it, say we do high fashion on dewbs& co. thank you very much. enjoy the rest of your journey. very much. enjoy the rest of yourjourney. tell me at home. what do you make of this manifesto, then? has it won you over? did you hope for a little bit more sizzle? did you want a rabbit out of the hat or are you happy with it? as it stands, matt goodwin what do you make to it? >> well, my theory is this i think this labour government and we will have a labour government after the general election. if you look at the polling, it's barely moved at all. i think this is going to be one of the most unpopular governments we've had in recent history. let me briefly explain why this manifesto, as the ifs actually just pointed out, within the last hour, the institute for fiscal studies, the numbers

don't add up . labour is either don't add up. labour is either going to have to increase taxes. it's going to have to find money to cover its existing spending pledges , or it's going to have pledges, or it's going to have to sign up to some pretty mean , to sign up to some pretty mean, spending cuts on public services that it's already bought into under current fiscal plans. so the numbers don't add up. there's also a lot of stuff in here, michelle, that i think is going to antagonise a large number of voters. the basic the commitment to maintain mass immigration, the plan on illegal migration, which nobody who works on the borders thinks is going to work. the woke , going to work. the woke, ideology giving out government contracts on the basis of race and ethnicity, upending the constitutional foundation of british politics, giving votes to 16 year olds. a lot of this stuff actually is going to antagonise a lot of people out there. so my theory is by christmas, labour is going to be tanking in the polls. it's going to be very unpopular. >> government bill rammell you were shaking your head, then why? >> i really want to push back

strongly, matthew, on supporting mass immigration. net migration today is three times higher than it was under the last labour government . we actually cut government. we actually cut asylum numbers. we cut immigration numbers when we were in power, and it's been allowed to explode . and we are to explode. and we are determined to bring the numbers down. but beyond that, i think the manifesto was a manifesto for the time before we move beyond that, one of the first things you're going to do is rip up the rwanda plan. well, the rwanda plan is a gimmick. it doesn't work, you know, how do you know it doesn't work? >> we haven't even done it. >> we haven't even done it. >> if it worked, only 1% of people who come across in the boats face the risk of going to rwanda. if you've travelled thousands of miles across the world, that is not a deterrent bill. bill, but the reality is right reality. >> let's let's just put party politics. try and put that to one side. new labour gave us mass immigration. that's what new labour gave us after 2004. let's just all be honest about that. the free of free movement of the number of eu nationals now 300,000 net migration 2010. so let's just who all came here. let's just agree. let's just agree for the sake of, you know,

new labour and the conservatives have both given us mass immigration and lots of voters out there don't see much of a difference between the two parties on that issue. the illegal migration issue where i worry about this labour government and i say this as somebody that just wants this issue resolved, no dodi in the national crime agency, nobody down in dover thinks the labour plan is going to work, because simply by saying we're going to smash the gangs, it's like whack a mole. you get rid of one gang, there's another one, you get rid of that one, there's another one. what we what we need as a as a country , left, right, up, as a country, left, right, up, down, whatever we need a serious deterrent. we need one that works. we need something like the illegal migration act. and labour's going to get rid of all of that stuff. >> and it's not rwanda. look, when i was in government, i was a minister of state at the foreign office, and i met every week with the immigration minister in the in the home office to pull together the elements of our system, to bring the numbers down. and we did that effectively , effectively. that effectively, effectively. and you say, matthew, there's no difference. there's a world of difference. there's a world of difference between 200 and 50,000 net migration and 683,

which is what we've got at the moment. >> it's all it's all too high and we're determined to bring it down. >> but let's move beyond this to the broader elements of the manifesto. this is a manifesto for the times that we're in. it's not gimmicky. it's credible change that we're we're going to bnng change that we're we're going to bring about. and when you're 21% aheadin bring about. and when you're 21% ahead in the polls, you don't want fireworks. and i think that's what we got today. a focus on growth, a focus on house building and a rebuttal to the ludicrous tory claims about taxation . and we've made it taxation. and we've made it clear no tax increases to national insurance, income tax and vat. >> yeah, but that leaves still low other taxes that you're not explicitly saying that you will rule out. so for example, people are pushing back and saying, well, what about, council house, not council, council tax revaluation. >> we've got no need to do it within the plans that we've set out. >> why aren't you explicitly ruled it out then ? ruled it out then? >> but because we've seen where that leads you under the present government, who came in with a series of specific commitments not to raise tactics, taxes. and

then they repudiated them. and that's part of the reason we've seen such a breakdown of trust within politics. >> so can i just ask you as well then? so you're going to rip up rwanda. so you've got all of these people in hotels and you know, a lot of people actually god only knows where they've gone, quite frankly. what's the labour party going to do with them? >> well, we're going to start you know, part of the commitment is a thousand person returns and enforcement agreement that people who have no right to be here will be returned to the country of origin. you know, the number of deportations has gone down by 40. >> so you'll start to win deals, for example, with the taliban. >> no, no, no, no. but one of the things we're going to do is to work to get an eu returns agreement so that we can actually return people to the first country of origin that they entered the european union within. >> why we used to do that ? >> why we used to do that? >> why we used to do that? >> because we're going to work at it. we're going to negotiate. we're not going to throw stones from the sidelines as this government. >> but why would the eu let us

do that? you say that we used to have that, which is fair enough. dubun have that, which is fair enough. dublin three or whatever it was called. but that was when we was in the eu. we're not there anymore. so why is the eu going to suddenly let us, deport or send back or transfer or whatever you want to use terminology to those countries, for example, the huge challenge that france faces with people coming through france to try to get to britain by means of the boats, so there's mutuality of interest here, but we've got to work at it. >> it's not going to happen on day one. yeah it didn't happen under the last labour government on day one, but we worked at it consistently and reduced the numbers. >> can i just briefly can i briefly come in on this because i think it's really important point. the reality is i don't think either labour or the conservatives have the solution to the migration crisis facing this country. that's one of the reasons, by the way, so many people are apathetic at this election. it's also one of the reasons why nigel farage and the reform party are on 16, 17% in the polls, and that that number isn't coming down. but just going back to the money side of this, because this is where i

think is really important. so laboun think is really important. so labour, on the one hand, are saying they're going to adhere to the fiscal rules that they've signed up to. so that means accepting spending cuts over the next five years. they're going to deal with our national debt. they're going to improve our pubuc they're going to improve our public services. they're not going to raise any taxes as the ifs has said over the last hour. and you can't exactly say the ifs is an anti—labour think tank. even paul johnson is saying the numbers don't add up. and what he's saying and i you know, i respect paul. i don't agree with everything he says, but i respect him as a political economist and analyst. he says labouris economist and analyst. he says labour is either going to have to increase taxes or it's going to increase taxes or it's going to accept dramatic spending cuts across the board. >> not true. one within the manifesto, we've set out small steps of improvement, like, you know, ending the non—dom status to pay for 40,000, 2.5 billion treatments in the nhs each week, ending the tax break on private schools, 6500 extra new teachers. but beyond that, i accept the manifesto and the plan is predicated on growth. and if we don't get growth, it's going to be more challenging.

but i also partly agree with something you're saying, matthew, i think this is going to be the first government to be elected by a landslide with not a huge sense of enthusiasm, and thatis a huge sense of enthusiasm, and that is going to be a challenge for us. >> do you agree with that sentiment? get in touch and let me know after the break. we'll carry on this conversation. i'll also want to show you one of the reactions that keir starmer had to people laughing at him last night when he mentioned that his dad was a toolmaker. see in two.

hello there. i'm michelle dewberry, and i'm with you till 7:00 tonight alongside me, mike goodwin and bill rammell remain. lots of you getting in touch . lots of you getting in touch. thank you. by the way, lots of you. also getting in touch to say happy birthday to gb news and that you've watched us from the start. we very much appreciate that . tell all your appreciate that. tell all your friends everybody, if you haven't already, but talking about the labour manifesto,

nathaniel , about the labour manifesto, nathaniel, says he's talking aboutin nathaniel, says he's talking about in fact, actually you're talking about sir keir starmer. i'll come back to that because i'm going to bring a clip about him. but harry says you've got to give it to secure his manifesto is actually realistic, unlike rishi's, barbara says starmer will be a refreshing change. it's time to get the tories out and god forbid it's reform that does that. ian says the tories have got a bare faced cheek to criticise labour, saying that they're going to raise taxes to an all time high, but chris says michelle, can we make the point that manifesto should be legally binding? because you can essentially promise the earth and deliver none of it, jess says , okay, i'm none of it, jess says, okay, i'm not actually going to read out what jess says, but you'd rather do something in the bath, then for vote labour. i'll leave that to your imagination. and chris says, it's so depressing when the stark reality dawns that most of our politicians are flat out liars and take the public for ignorant fools. some of you here are talking about, keir

starmer's dad. now, did you see there was a it wasn't a debate. it was a like an interview, i guess, an event, whatever you want to call it last night. and the audience there laughed at keir starmer when he said his dad was a toolmaker. well, keir starmer has been speaking to gb news today and he's responded to that. >> watch the crowd laughed when he said your dad's a toolmaker. why is that? do you think people you've got nothing more to say, are they getting tired of the same, same comment? >> let me directly, address you on that. my dad worked in a factory all his life. he felt people disrespected him, and that's not happening with a laughing . laughing. >> i do want to see this through because it actually hit a nerve last night. yeah, because he felt that in the usual conversation, when someone says, what do you do for a living when socially he would say, i work in a factory, and there would be a pause when nobody quite knew what to say. and he felt really disrespected. it caused him in his life to withdraw from social engagements. he didn't do it

much later in life because it was raw to him that he should be disrespected because he worked in a factory. so when someone laughed last night, my dad would have turned in his grave . have turned in his grave. >> really? i mean, i don't mean to be rude, obviously, but people were not laughing at the fact that his dad worked in a factory. people were laughing because it's almost like you can play because it's almost like you can play buzzword bingo. you know for a fact that within minutes of one of these conversations starting rishi sunak is going to wheel out the fact what his parents did and keir starmer is going to rule out wheel out that land, that his dad was a toolmaker. so that's why people are laughing because it's become like the whole buzzword. bingo it's nothing to do with disrespecting people at work in factories. there's nothing wrong with working in a factory. and if you're telling someone that you work in a factory and your social group, go silent for a moment, you need to change your social group. that's what i would say. >> bill, i kind of agree with you, michelle. i think the audience were laughing because they're a politically engaged audience and they've heard it

many times from keir, but there are millions of millions of people who are not politically engaged, who are looking at these issues for the first time in this campaign. and it has cut through. the most fascinating thing about the what's got cut through the keir's background. so the most fascinating thing about the post—debate poll last night, which keir won hands down 2 to 1. but on the underlying questions in touch with ordinary people , keir won 71% to 13% people, keir won 71% to 13% against rishi sunak. and that's sunaks problem . and it's keir's sunaks problem. and it's keir's advantage just on that. >> i mean, i think in fairness though, i mean, keir starmer could have been debating a dead fish and i think the dead fish would have done better than rishi sunak. i mean, the point is that i think, people out there are kind of sick of the sort of sw1 narrative, you know, the kind of whoa, me look at what happened to my family 50 years ago, 75 years ago. i think they're just stuck. they're sick of this kind of, like, bland westminster story. the other thing is, i sort of struggled with keir starmer's justification there because when

his father was working in a factory, i mean, pretty much most working age people at that time would have been working in manual jobs. so it wasn't actually that unusual to most of my family were in factories at the time. i don't think it was a sort of unusual thing that he's making out that it was. and the idea that starmer is kind of more in touch with the values of ordinary people, certainly compared to rishi sunak. but let's be frank, this is the none of the above election. none of them are really connecting with them are really connecting with the public. i think bill and i actually agree, there's no mass pubuc actually agree, there's no mass public enthusiasm for either of the two big parties, but there's mass determination to get this tory, there's mass determination to get the tories out. and i completely agree with you on that. i mean, sunak, you know, the one thing that struck me this, i think the one thing we're going to be talking about with this election or historians are going to talk about it 50 years from now, will be the d—day debacle, will be the rishi sunak d—day debacle, because that in itself crystallise for many people, not this kind of view, that we have a technocratic, managerial prime minister who isn't quite in touch with the country. it sort of raises deeper, more existential question about does this guy actually believe in

britain? and i think that handed both keir starmer and nigel farage actually an open goal on the campaign trail. >> yeah, but i disagree, matthew, in the sense that your background and the values it gives you does matter to people. they want a sense of where you're coming from and what drives you in politics. and keir talking about his and i actually don't think he's done it enough. it's only recently with the tom baldwin book about him that he started talking about his background and the way that it shaped him , and i think that shaped him, and i think that does cut. >> but there is a tension, though, isn't there? right i'm the guy who's on the side of ordinary working people, except when ordinary working people vote for brexit. he was the guy that decided he actually wanted them to vote again and again. and again until they made the right decision. so is he on the side of ordinary working people and their values? i think the jury's out this was also the guy that told us to make jeremy corbyn prime minister twice. so you know, i'm sunak the guy who said i'm not borisjohnson, said i'm not boris johnson, prime minister. i'm not here to defend rishi sunak. >> yeah, keir has listened and since he's been leader of the labour party, he's made it

abundantly clear that we're not going to turn history back or try to turn history back by renegotiating brexit, but we do want a better deal with the european union, which is manifestly in our interests. >> and by the way, it was the british people, on the majority that voted to make boris johnson the prime minister. that's who people actually voted in, indeed. and a lot of people actually would say that one of the mistakes that the tory party have made was ousting boris the way that they did. and i know that the flip side to that, well, people will say that boris absolutely deserved to be ousted going back to this factory thing , do you work in a factory? do you think there's any shame in working in a factory? i missed two of my brothers work in factories. absolutely nowt wrong with it, so i'm not really sure what keir starmer was going on about there anyway. also, ed davey have you seen his antiques? we had some of those, in the headliners what do you think to this? i mean, i'll bnng think to this? i mean, i'll bring you a clip up now. he's like today he's got his shorts and t shirts on, if you're listening on the radio, doing some kind of tire jul pumping. i

mean, i look at him and i just mean, i look at him and ijust think you look a bit ridiculous . think you look a bit ridiculous. >> what do you think? he's getting visibility and he's getting visibility and he's getting exposure. look, nobody ever analyses the lib dem manifesto and programme for government because everyone knows they're almost certainly not going to form the government, but they struggle for visibility. and these stunts are getting him that. and i'll make a prediction because of the determination to get rid of the tories and tactical voting , i tories and tactical voting, i think the lib dems are going to get 50 or 60 seats. >> i think it should line up some of those subpostmasters, that was affected when he turned round and said that he wouldn't meet mr bates. you should get them in the sidelines watching some of these antics. i'd love to know their reaction to it all. >> well, i was just going to say i think it's revealing, isn't it, that the only politician who i can see who's actually doing old fashioned grassroots , real old fashioned grassroots, real politics, meeting people on the street, walking into communities and towns that he hasn't been in before. is nigel farage. and i think one of the interesting things this week we saw was that the bricks being hurled at farage in barnsley by the

radical left activist, it would have been nice to have seen the political class and the left , political class and the left, the right, the centre. it would have been nice to see everybody come together and say that is completely unacceptable, to the extent that they do when a mainstream politician is being targeted. there are two cases in this campaign a milkshake, which, let's be frank, could have been acid, wholly wrong. a brick which could have easily hit farage in the head. >> people will push back. >> people will push back. >> it won't. okay. rocks. whatever. whatever. >> whatever it was. >> whatever it was. >> the point is, we are getting perilously close here to somebody experiencing serious real world violence and harassment and yeah, we've had it with mps. but i feel with farage as a double standard actually, i feel like people don't take that as seriously. >> matthew, with respect, i don't think you're listening. i heard statements from both the labour frontbench and the tory frontbench. >> yvette cooper came out and condemned it. james cleverly came out and condemned it. remember that. >> and i'll tell you what, my reaction was real anger with that nutter who, through whatever it was at nigel farage, compared unacceptable. we've had

two mps of both parties murdered in the last few years in this country, and you know, people like that, we ought to throw the book at them, in a minute, i shall get to you. i want to show you a clip of dawn butler, one of the things that she has done today is very weird. everyone i can tell you that. and i want to talk about nigel farage in a second. and you do say that, you know, we've had and we have had two mps murdered. absolutely horrendous. vie. i remember the last one, david amess that was murdered by an islamist fanatic. and i remember the conversation , and i remember the conversation, being all about how we should be nicer to each other on social media. no one was actually willing to address the issues behind why that mp lost his life . do you remember that? yeah. no, no, no, absolutely. >> and we do need to address the underlying issues. but i'll tell you what, the world has changed since i was a member of parliament, and social media is part of that. i only feared for my safety once in 13 years when i was a member of parliament. i

think today and i know from talking and what happened there, if you don't mind me asking, i was in my surgery and had my pa sitting next to me. wrongly. we had our backs to the window. he was sitting opposite and he got really , really agitated. and you really, really agitated. and you know, both of us said afterwards we thought he was going to go for us. but that was once in 13 years, mps today virtually experienced that every day of the week. >> well, yeah. but like we're saying, social media and i am going to play don butler in a second. don't worry. social media has played a part in that. and i think actually it's a lot of it is anonymity on social media. if you stripped people's ability to be anonymous, i think you would remove so much abuse literally overnight. >> i agree, i agree completely. i mean, most of the abuse i get on x is from anonymous accounts and also disgruntled left wing academics. but that's another story. >> let me show you don butler's video today . video today. >> dawn butler nelson production . come on 4th of july. don't forget to everyone . thanks. go.

forget to everyone. thanks. go. we got 21 days to go. >> if you like. let me know. let me add the shadow. got 21 days because you gotta go . she had because you gotta go. she had three days. where did he go? say you wish you had d—day. where did he go? let's go. let a liar run the show like, don't let a liar run the show. if you like me, let me know. let me add the shadow. got 21 days before they gotta go. >> 21 days to go 21 days to go 21 days. >> speechless man, what do you. what do you want me to say? i mean, i'm sorry. these aren't serious. these aren't serious politics. it's not serious people. >> so many people are apathetic and disengaged. it's an attempt to get cut. cut through . to get cut. cut through. personally, i wouldn't do it. >> i think it's embarrassing . >> i think it's embarrassing. and i think you know what? honestly, i actually feel a little bit depressed . yeah. at little bit depressed. yeah. at the low calibre of politicians that we've got in this country, i want us to have politicians that have really achieved stuff in their life that have got substance, are the best of the best. the creme de la creme proper serie s people. and i see

the antics that are going on, and i just think it makes me less inclined to vote rather than more inclined to vote. what about you? what does it do when you see those, rap videos, or was that a rap video? i don't know what it was, quite frankly, doesit know what it was, quite frankly, does it make you more inclined to turn out and vote, or does it disengage you? your thoughts on that? after the break, nigel farage and some of the stuff that has been saying today? i'll see you in two.

hi, everyone. my name is michelle dewberry. this is dewbs & co with utils seven alongside me. bill rammell and matt goodwin remain . before the goodwin remain. before the break, i played what was bizarre , actually, it was a clip of dawn butler promoting herself in the general election. it's only fair, then, that i also give a nod to the other candidates in that constituency, which was brent east. are you ready? everybody sitting comfortably,

neither al fallujah, which is a green party. jenna. clarence joseph falwell, independent, big. what's this one? z big nev called sukh, which is reform uk. james mortimer, workers party of britain, dawn butler , labour, britain, dawn butler, labour, amin murphy, which is the independent. so there you go. lots of choice available to you. let's talk , remain let's talk let's talk, remain let's talk then, shall we, is there any more? is there more jenny singh , more? is there more jenny singh, gosh, there's loads of people in this one, adele. sick and johnny singh. there you go. liberal democrats. them's the rules. everybody got to give everyone a shout out. now let's talk nigel farage. he's got himself in hot water again today. alison >> these are. yeah, they're ordinary people. that's how people out there speak. that's how they feel. they they express on facebook, on facebook . perm on facebook, on facebook. perm nazis. they are the same thing.

people are allowed. people are allowed to have opinions. people are allowed to express views . are allowed to express views. >> what do you make of that? >> what do you make of that? >> mike godwin i think nigel farage has a point because over the last 20 years or so, we can all sense the national debate, the national conversation , the the national conversation, the marketplace of ideas being whittled down so that it only reflects the values and the beliefs and the tastes of an elite minority in this country. if you question mass immigration, if you are critical of radical islam, if you don't agree with woke ideology , vie, agree with woke ideology, vie, if you want to express free speech and free expression, you are basically , silenced or are basically, silenced or stigmatised as being somehow social. unacceptable. everybody out there consensus 70% of brits say political correctness has gone too far. and i think farage is just saying what a lot of people out there are thinking of feeling. >> is that fair? bill >> is that fair? bill >> well, look, let me say in

place on the record, i have written extensively, lectured in favour of free speech and open debate as the best way of tackling extremism. i'm very much against what you would describe as cancel culture, but look at the comments that some of these candidates have made. you know, islam and nazis are the same thing. britain should have been neutral on hitler dunng have been neutral on hitler during the second world war. women shouldn't have access to the national health service. you know, they're entitled. they're entitled to their view. but if farage and reform want to be taken seriously to be endorsing that, those kind of comments, i think is deplorable. >> i think we also know from labour's recent experience that sometimes you can attract candidates or even leaders who make some dubious, if not offensive statements regarding, for example, jews and the history and so on. >> and then you boot and then you boot them out. what's unacceptable is for nigel farage to shrug his shoulders, as he did on lbc today, and say, what can i do? they're already on the ballot. >> just on that, just on that. i

think in fairness to nigel farage, what he's saying is that we now live in a national conversation debate where terms like far right hate, transphobia, islamophobia , transphobia, islamophobia, homophobia are all being expanded to basically demonise people who are expressing entirely acceptable, legitimate views about these issues, who want to say, hang on a minute, what about the role of women within radical interpretations of islam? hang on a minute. what about what about integrating newcomers and the sheer number of people we have coming to britain or hang on a minute, should we really be teaching kids that a boy can become a girl and a girl can become a boy? is this really what we are as a society? what makes people nervous, by the way, about the labour party and the kind of radical, progressive parts of the labour party and the left is they can sense that the instinctive reaction on the left is not to allow for the flourishing of ideas and debate in society, but it's to shut it down. >> that's what makes people nervous and not under keir starmer's leadership. >> and look what starmer tried

to shut down the brexit vote. >> hold, hold on matthew, what you've said about nigel farage is not true. he wasn't saying those things today. he was actually saying that the three quotes that i read out were unacceptable. but there was nothing he could do about it. now, you know, the guy's just taken over reform. he ought to be in charge. and i think people expect from the leaders of parties that when candidates do intolerably overstep the mark, you do something about it. >> i think a candidate who comes up and expresses something ridiculous or offensive, i suspect reform will will throw them out . but the bigger issue them out. but the bigger issue here is about that's not what nigel farage said. >> he said there on the ballot paper and by implication, vote for them. >> but because of electoral law, as you know, once you're on the ballot paper, you're on the ballot paper, you're on the ballot paper, you can't be removed. and you know that they repudiate those three candidates. >> but yeah, you didn't do that. >> but yeah, you didn't do that. >> the broader issue, though, bill, as you know, the broader issue is there are millions of people out there who feel that they can't say things. i'll give you an example. take the hate laws in scotland, right. the hate law. the snp basically was trying to say that people who

express entirely acceptable, legitimate views, even within their own home, can be sanctioned and penalised by the state. now, i would like to see the labour party say categorically. also, it doesn't agree with the way sadiq khan talks about the same notions of hate that people who express criticism of migration can be seen as hateful figures. i don't think that's on. >> what do you makes of it all at home? when says, can i just say i love the videos and clips of the mps fooling about? it makes me see them as real people andifs makes me see them as real people and it's brilliant, he says. louise says, can i just say, in no way should nigel farage be in the running for number 10. he's not a politician, he's a celebrity. and his views, she says, are insulting. speaking of insulting, how come there's a phobia about everything these days?i phobia about everything these days? i think the only one that there isn't is a christianity phobia. how come you're allowed to attack that religion and that doesn't get its own name? give me your thoughts on it all. there's lots i want to talk to you about after the break. i could just carry on about about politics. and not least, why on earth, rishi did what he did, what he did. but also, i want to

talk to you about policing. we just need go go back to basics with it all?

hello there. i'm michelle dewberry with you till 7:00 tonight. the professor of politics at the university of kent , matt goodwin, politics at the university of kent, matt goodwin, alongside me, as is the former labour minister, bill rammell. what fun we have in the breaks, ladies and gents. i can tell you that is the best part of the programme, listen . an anti—work programme, listen. an anti—work uk police chief. he's been praised , so he has. apparently praised, so he has. apparently he's turned his police force around in about three years. it was one of the worst, apparently. and now it's one of the best. let's cut to the chase. he says it's all about taking policing back to basics. it's in greater manchester that i'm referring to. in fact, i'll start with you, bill, why don't we just take policing back to basics generally? >> well, i think he's a very good chief constable. he's actually appointed by andy burnham after andy sacked the previous chief constable. so, tongue in cheek, you could say it's a good labour success

story. however. seriously, this is the right approach. it's about bobbies on the beat. it's about bobbies on the beat. it's about communicating the clearing up of crime. it's making clear that every crime will be investigated. i don't think it's about woke or anti—woke. it's about woke or anti—woke. it's about having a serious plan and good leadership, and he's delivered on it. >> well, this is what people want to see though, isn't it? police doing their job, actually police doing theirjob, actually being on the streets, actually solving and dealing with crime. they don't want to see police taking the knee for black lives matter. they don't want to see police and other people in pubuc police and other people in public institutions wearing rainbow lanyards. they don't want to see a double standard where radical islamists are being given a free pass. but people on the right are clamped down when they're trying to defend monuments and so forth. you know, i'm worried about the police because if you look at the surveys, british people have become much more distrustful of the police and of public institutions. and we need to get back to neutrality in our public institutions. we need to get back to objectivity , political

back to objectivity, political neutrality, because if we don't , neutrality, because if we don't, we're going to create a really big problem. >> i agree with that. we most certainly don't want police making political statements, intervening in politics. but, you know, if you talk about wokeness, what does it mean? if it means respect for women and respect for people from ethnic minorities? i think we need a good bit of that within the police. but that's not take, take, take some of the appalling cases of misogyny and racism that have been exposed within the metropolitan police. i agree that needs to be tackled and rooted. >> i agree with you, but don't fall into the trap of thinking woke is just being nice because woke is just being nice because woke is just being nice because woke is not woke is a radical belief system that prioritises minority groups over everybody else. it says minorities are always good. the majority group is to be treated with suspicion or contempt, and that's what people can sense that if you're, you know, white, british, straight, male , basically the straight, male, basically the odds are pretty much stacked against you. people can can sense that. and i think that's where the you know, i understand people want to be they want to

be good, nice balance. they want to make the world a better place that isn't woke. woke is very radical. >> your statistics historically, it's the complete reverse. there is evidence that black people, ethnic minorities , women have ethnic minorities, women have been discriminated against and disadvantaged . but i certainly disadvantaged. but i certainly don't want that. >> i don't want white men were discriminated agenda. >> but there is a need for decent standards. there is a need for equality and there is a need for equality and there is a need for equality and there is a need for rooting out the kind of racism and sexism that we've seen in the metropolitan. >> let's not fall into the trap which you see in the labour manifesto of saying britain is an institutionally racist society because the kids who are doing best in our schools and universities are british chinese kids, british, black african kids. increasingly british black canbbean kids. increasingly british black caribbean kids. and when i read the labour manifesto and the labour policies, it kind of paints a picture of this dystopian, racist, divisive society. and i'd like , for society. and i'd like, for example, the racial equality act, which is in labour's manifesto that says we should give government contracts on the bafis give government contracts on the basis of race and ethnicity . basis of race and ethnicity. we're not america, bill, we're britain. we should not have

these. >> it's not the direction that we're moving in. i actually agree as well as a former education minister, the biggest challenge we've got educationally is white working class boys, and we really need to develop aspiration. we need to develop aspiration. we need to develop aspiration. we need to develop standards. and i'm certain the next labour government, i think, to be elected in a few weeks time, will do that. >> well, i can tell you as well, one of the problems that we've got when it comes to education is that we've seemed to have been asleep at the wheel, and we've allowed organisations lie—ins into schools that seem obsessed with indoctrinating kids into the notion that if you're a boy, you can become a girl and vice versa. absolutely. insanity. and some of the issues that we talk about, we certainly don't deal with them, or we shouldn't be dealing with them by painting police cars as clown cars. and rocking up to crimes, essentially being laughed at rather than being respected. look, that's all i've got time for. i've very much enjoyed my show tonight. thank you very much, barbara . you've got in much, barbara. you've got in touch. sorry, ann. you said gb news shares a birthday with you. so happy birthday to you. and thanks once again to each and every one of you for watching.

we appreciate it. that's all from me. camilla's up next night. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on . gb news. >> evening. welcome to your latest weather update from the met office here on gb news tomorrow. well there'll be some sunshine, but be prepared for some heavy showers and gusty winds at times as well. we've seen some blustery conditions today across the west from this area of low pressure. it's been bringing these weather fronts, which have been bringing in outbreaks of rain spreading steadily now to northern scotland and across eastern england. it will turn a little dner england. it will turn a little drier through the night. that rain tending to move away from much of wales, the midlands and southern england. a few showers will follow in behind the winds, easing a touch but still quite breezy and a very mild night. not really for the time of year, but certainly compared to most nights of late temperatures holding up in double figures, so it won't be as chilly first thing tomorrow morning. there'll be some sunshine over the

midlands and parts of eastern england, but still quite breezy along the south coast, and it won't take long before the showers get going, certainly across wales. expect some showers through the early part of the morning coming into western scotland, northwest england parts of northern ireland may start dry. england parts of northern ireland may start dry . different ireland may start dry. different start to the day here compared to today , but across northern to today, but across northern scotland, very different day here because after a largely fine day today, there's going to be much more cloud rain and a fairly brisk wind. and that may stick around across the far north of scotland for most of the day. elsewhere, we'll be chasing the showers through. there will be some sunshine, but the downpours will never be too far away. all areas having that kind of really changeable day. one minute it's fine, ten minutes later it's chucking it down with rain, the showers zipping through on a fairly brisk breeze, and when the sun's out, well, it will feel a little warmer than it has done for most of this week. temperatures still below average for the time of yean below average for the time of year, but a little bit higher than many days this week. it's showery right through the weekend . yes, again on saturday. weekend. yes, again on saturday.

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