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joining me in the next hour is broadcast from columnist lizzie cundy and also former labour mp bill rammell. well, in a few moments time i'll be mucking the week with gb news presenter darren grimes. grammy, grammy, grimes and then coming up in my political spotlight, we'll be speaking to tom harwood. he's live on the labour battle bus. but for the great british debate this hour, i'm asking, is reform uk the next opposition party then difficult conversations . then difficult conversations. you won't want to miss it. solomon bar. he's a paralympian. he's a former apprentice candidate and also he's blind. he'll be joining me in the studio. you won't want to hear his story. don't want to miss that story. but first let's get your latest news with sam francis. >> gnaana, thank you very much. good afternoon to you. it's just after 3:00. the top story from the newsroom this afternoon. the princess of wales has resumed some of her public duties as she continues her cancer treatment.

crowds cheered as princess catherine appeared with the king and other members of the royal family on the balcony at buckingham palace earlier this afternoon . a 41 gun salute and afternoon. a 41 gun salute and an raf fly—past marked his majesty's official birthday following the trooping the colour parade. post office campaigner sir alan bates, former prime minister gordon brown and actress imelda staunton are among those who've been recognised in the king's birthday honours list. the former subpostmaster says his newly awarded knighthood is recognition of the sheer hell that hundreds of post office workers have been through . workers have been through. leader of the liberal democrats sir ed davey has praised his efforts to expose the horizon. it scandal . it scandal. >> i want to congratulate adam bates. this is thoroughly deserved. and he said it's not just for him, but on behalf of all subpostmasters . and that's all subpostmasters. and that's really good news. he fought the system sometimes single handedly. he fought it bravely and he won. and that's to all his credit. and i think we need now to get the compensation.

he's talked about. >> meanwhile, the liberal democrats leader has been tackling a racetrack and a trampoline on the election campaign trail. today we have lift—off the bounce in the polls coming well, campaigning in surrey. he hopes that blue wall gains will keep his party in the running for opposition. sir davies pledging to scrap elected police and crime commissioners to boost frontline policing . the to boost frontline policing. the prime minister says that he will stay on as an mp if the conservatives lose the general election . rishi sunak says he'll election. rishi sunak says he'll fight to the last day as he responded to a question about a yougov poll which shows that reform uk has now overtaken the tories for the first time. the party's leader, nigel farage, has suggested that he can be the voice of opposition to labour. however, veterans minister johnny mercer told us this morning that a vote for reform is a vote for a labour government. >> do you want to pay more in tax or do you want to vote for a

party that has tax reduction in its dna to try and improve pubuc its dna to try and improve public services? and you know, fight these challenges around migration and the economy that we know are ongoing? or are you going to write a blank cheque to a massive majority for keir starmer to have unchecked power, deaung starmer to have unchecked power, dealing with yet again , a guy dealing with yet again, a guy who believes in absolutely nothing at all and will say anything to gain power, and elsewhere on the campaign trail today, labour is promising 40,000 extra out—of—hours nhs appointments each week, though experts questioning the funding details. >> sir keir starmer was asked earlier if the plans would leave staff unable to cope if the list was to increase at the same rate as it's increased. >> since rishi sunak has been prime minister we would get if we had more, five more years of the tory to 10 million on that waiting list. that's why it's so important that this election is seen as a change election . the seen as a change election. the opportunity to turn the page on that usher in a labour government that is absolutely committed to rebuilding our country. >> the prime minister is among

more than 90 western leaders at a ukraine peace conference this weekend. they're meeting in switzerland to put pressure on russia to end their war with ukraine. china though, is staying away after moscow was frozen out for dismissing the event as a waste of time. vladimir putin's proposed a ceasefire, but only if kyiv pulls its troops out of moscow owned regions. president zelenskyy has called those conditions absurd . specialist conditions absurd. specialist teams are beginning a fresh search for the body of a man whose torso was discovered in salford in april. body parts of 67 year old stuart everett were found at kersal dale and three other locations. police say they're now searching an area of wolseley woods. two men have been charged with the 67 year old's murder. been charged with the 67 year old's murder . and finally, some old's murder. and finally, some sports news to bring you former arsenal and everton striker kevin campbell has died at the age of 54. that's after a short illness. his former team—mates

are paying tribute to the ex—striker , saying that he was ex—striker, saying that he was adored by everyone at the club. everton have also described their first black captain as not just a true hero, but a giant of a man. campbell also played for nottingham forest, west brom and cardiff during his career. for the latest stories sign up to gb news alerts. you can scan the code on your screen or go to our website gbnews.com slash alerts . website gbnews.com slash alerts. >> well, it's just coming up to seven minutes after 3:00. i'm nana akua. this is gb news. we are live on tv, online and on digital radio, and it's time to mock the week. and what a busy one it's been. well, it kicked off on monday with the liberal democrats manifesto led by sir ed davey , and these are the ed davey, and these are the experiences that we must bring out of the shadows, because the

truth is that unless we properly value care, unless we properly support carers, we will never be able to fix the crisis in our nhs or get our economy back on track. then after rishi sunak's d—day debacle, some thought he'd gone to ground. but he emerged on tuesday to launch the conservatives manifesto. >> that is why, if you vote conservative on july the 4th, the flights removing illegal migrants will depart in july, establishing the deterrent that will stop the boats. >> because when people know that if they try to come here illegally, they won't get to stay, then they will stop coming. >> and if we are forced to choose between our security and the jurisdiction of a foreign court, including the echr, we will always choose our nation's security . security. >> on wednesday, the leader of

the green party, carla denyer, launched theirs because with more green mps in parliament, we will push labour to stop backtracking on their promises . backtracking on their promises. >> we will be there to drive them to be braver , to be more them to be braver, to be more ambitious, not to take timid baby steps towards change, but to actually do what's necessary to actually do what's necessary to fix our country and get us back on track. >> of course, they are co—leaders , so that is the other co—leaders, so that is the other leader. they know it was the turn of sir keir starmer. >> i don't believe it's fair to raise taxes on working people when they are already paying this much, particularly in a cost of living crisis. >> so let me spell it out . we >> so let me spell it out. we will not raise income tax. we will not raise income tax. we will not raise national insurance. >> we will not raise vat. that is a manifesto commitment. >> plaid cymru leader launched theirs. the party leader ,

theirs. the party leader, rhiannon app yourth, has called for more funding in economic fairness for wales. >> common threads, which runs through this manifesto, is fairness . firstly, fair funding fairness. firstly, fair funding for wales plaid cymru is the only party advocating for the abolition of the barnett formula, which has seen wales lose out to the tune of billions of pounds. now over the years. it's not a begging bowl, it's just doing what's right. enabung just doing what's right. enabling investments in public services and in the economy. even lord barnett, himself the architect of that formula back in 1978 when i was that size, said that it had passed its sell by date many years ago. >> and of course, the co—leader of the greens is actually adrian ramsey. that was him not there. but in the clip before and right this week it will be nigel farage from reform. >> and i'm putting it to you that i believe i can be that

voice of opposition. i'm pretty clear and consistent in what i stand in, what i stand up for. i am not afraid of a fight. i don't bow to twitter pressure or the mob on the streets. i've taken on the european union. i've taken on the big banks, and i'm pretty certain i can take on a labour government headed by keir starmer. that will have almost no honeymoon period whatsoever. will inherit some very, very deep problems. and i don't think that has the radical solutions to sort the country out. >> but my favourite bit of the week had to be joe biden at the g7 summit in puglia in italy, just as a parachute lands in front of the world leaders, us president joe biden was seen walking away from the group. he's just about to start that now. he starts to walk away, looking in completely the wrong

direction. italian prime minister giorgia meloni came to his rescue, but he's wandering off. he's either talking to no one or someone or trying to talk to the parachuter. he's talking into the air. there's nobody actually facing him, so yes, giorgia meloni , rescued him and giorgia meloni, rescued him and helped him shuffle back. not, just in time for him to put on his top gun sunglasses. hahaha it's been a mucky old week . that it's been a mucky old week. that that clip gets me every time, right? coming up, tv news presenter darren grimes will be making light of this week's top stories in mark the week at 320. it's my hot topic and my roundtable discussion. i'll be joined in the studio by a team of experts on climate policy . of experts on climate policy. we'll be discussing that it'll be in the spotlight as brits face a very wet and cold june .

face a very wet and cold june. don't don't even talk to me. >> i don't i'm not going to mention it. >> i'm not going to mention it. all right . it's pretty cold. all right. it's pretty cold. >> then in 335, doctor renee hoenderkamp joins me in the studio with dozens of sandwiches sold at major retailers. are recalled following suspected e.coli outbreak, which is linked to the salad leaves within them. also, we'll be discussing teenage vaping. an addict, a 17 year old smoked the equivalent of 400 cigarettes a week and has since lost part of her lung . since lost part of her lung. joining me to shine a light into the political hot seat today is the political hot seat today is the deputy political editor, tom harwood. he'll be joining us live from the labour battle bus. he is in the hot seat at 345. thatis he is in the hot seat at 345. that is coming up in the next houn that is coming up in the next hour. tell me what you think of everything we're discussing. send me your thoughts, post your comments. gbnews.com forward slash. you'll . see. right. let's

slash. you'll. see. right. let's get stuck in with grammy, grammy gram, darren grimes. let's mark the week. it's been mucky, hasn't it? it has. >> it really has. i mean, we're missing a blonde in this general election in the form of boris johnson. so i'm really glad we've got you. now nana to keep us all going. our blonde in the ge , it's i think it's been an ge, it's i think it's been an interesting one in the sense of i don't know if you noticed, but in that seven way debate, the latest one that we just had, nigel farage, was asked by the presenter whether or not actually he would support the, child two child cap on child benefit . benefit. >> and he said no. so the interesting thing is reform , interesting thing is reform, they're painted as being far right and all these other things that to the left of the labour party, when it comes to welfare, isn't that extraordinary. so there have been so many dividing lines created this week, whether that be spending on social care, taxation and so many other things. capital gains tax on

selling your second property, potentially coming down the line in the form of the labour party, i think it was selling your actual property, isn't it? >> it's not even a second property. it's the one that you're actually living in. they may well tax that. >> exactly. so this morning, liz kendall was asked whether or not it would be for second properties to try and hit. for example , people that have example, people that have houday example, people that have holiday homes in maybe in the south—west of england, which the south, many people in the south—west of england recognise as a big problem. but she refused to rule it out. i think they're going to frankly refuse to rule any tax out that isn't related to your income and that's for ordinary people. if you're a banker, i think you're pretty screwed. but you know, as far as national insurance, personal income tax and, well, those taxes that relate exactly to your vat as well, but everything else is, is up for grabs. and the tax burden. and this is according to independent experts . right. this is actually

experts. right. this is actually the obr have said this. the tax burden is going to be higher than it was immediately after world war two. right. that's pretty shocking. that's an extraordinary size sum of money that's been dragged out extracted from the british taxpayer. >> well i mean we've got to see that from the conservatives. the conservatives got us here. i know we have had some circumstances, like a pandemic, which is very unusual. circumstances, like a pandemic, which is very unusual . and war which is very unusual. and war has been a very unstable time . has been a very unstable time. but that was that burden has been created under the conservative government. >> it has. but the labour party's challenge is to turn around to people and say, look, despite this massive tax burden, your public services will get better because everyone's modus operandi right now is to say, actually , i'm disillusioned with actually, i'm disillusioned with the whole lot of them because nothing in britain is working, right. i don't think despite the polling , i right. i don't think despite the polling, i don't think there's any real sort of love and fire in their bellies to get a labour party government. but there is a real desire for change and a real desire for change and a real desire for things in britain to actually work again.

and, you know, nigel farage, his argument on that would be, well, mass migration is making matters worse . labour's argument would worse. labour's argument would be, well, we're not spending enough on public services . the enough on public services. the conservatives would say the plan is working. let us keep going on with the plan. the rest of the party's plaid cymru , the greens, party's plaid cymru, the greens, the snp, they would all argue that it's westminster being overly tight, but where's the money going to come from now? where are the. that's what we need to know. well, the liberal democrats, they actually proposed a massive, expenditure on social care to tackle that issue. we face in this country a demographic time bomb where older voters are eventually going to need care right. older voters are eventually going to need care right . and so going to need care right. and so there has to be an answer to that. the lib dems proposed one whether or not the country is going for it, we'll have to see. >> well, let's see if ed davey can get himself off that trampoline . trampoline. >> yeah, exactly. he's going to do himself a mischief, isn't he? >> darren grimes, you're on later saturday five. >> absolutely. 6:00 nana. we'll be there 6 to 8. so join in. yeah. >> straight after this show. do not go anywhere. right. well, if

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digital radio. it's just coming up to 22 minutes after 4:00. i'm nana akua and it's time for my roundtable discussion. because temperatures this month are at half the level of 2023. and it won't get much warmer any time soon. met office has warned . and soon. met office has warned. and with a general election looming, climate policies are a key part of each party's pledges. now, the conservatives are aiming to reduce costs by delaying the combustion engine ban to 2035 and scrapping rental home efficiency standards, which labour would reverse. labour planned to double onshore wind, triple solar and quadruple offshore wind by 2034, net zero for zero carbon electricity. the lib dems plan to seek 90% renewable power by 2030, and net zero emissions by 2045. was the green party wants 70% wind power by 2030, linking climate action to resolving costs of living inequality issues and reform. proposes scrapping net zero altogether and renewable energy

subsidies, focusing on at north sea gas, oil and shale gas for cheap, secure energy. but does any party have the answer? so joining me now, donna mccarthy, director of climate media coalition , jim dale, senior coalition, jim dale, senior meteorologist. and brian qatar , meteorologist. and brian qatar, physicist and an engineer. all right, i'm going to start with you , jim dale. you, jim dale. >> thank you. good afternoon. >> thank you. good afternoon. >> that's good of me to do. that isn't it? yeah. don't ramble on too long though no i won't. >> lovely . lovely shade of red, >> lovely. lovely shade of red, by the way. >> all right. thank you very much. you're welcome. that's really right. go on, jim, nice shade of blue. yeah. it is. yeah >> swapping places maybe. >> swapping places maybe. >> okay. so look, let's be politic about this. >> whose policy do you think is the right one? well i think there are 3 or 4 what you might call progressive parties that have more or less got it right, but not far enough because we need to act more urgently. >> but i want to say that those four parties are going in the right direction. >> the other positive is not according to me, but according to somebody who's been in this place quite a lot, and that's nigel farage, and he's saying that the labour party will be the next government and

therefore i said it would be the next opposition or the labour party . the labour party, yeah, party. the labour party, yeah, will be the next government. >> and therefore and therefore it is probably them that we've got to look more at and their policy going forward in terms of what they're doing now. >> there has been a change in terms of the money side of things and what what can be afforded. but i think we have to look at the bigger picture in this and why these these things are actually on the agenda in the first place. and that is the climate and what's going on. and if your eyes are wide open rather than close, you will see, around the globe, even yesterday in moscow and other places that have just been flooded out, if it's not floods, it's extreme heat or it's long term rainfall, as we've had in the uk for the last, for the last 3 or 4 months, which is meant farmers are virtually crying in their fields, so climate is the biggest , one fields, so climate is the biggest, one of the biggest issues that is on and it's i'm going to say this openly, really good that gb news have actually got this subject today. well done. >> okay, well, that's good of you, jim . thank you. well done.

you, jim. thank you. well done. yeah, it's rather patronising, but thank you. i think it was a compliment somewhere in there. bnan compliment somewhere in there. brian cat . compliment somewhere in there. brian cat. hello. he's talking about climate. he's saying you feel it's a climate emergency. the labour party who have said they're going to double onshore wind, triple solar and quadruple offshore wind by 2030 for zero carbon electricity . he thinks carbon electricity. he thinks that's one of the better policies, because obviously they're likely to be the ones that are winning. what are your thoughts on that? >> well, all of this is predicated on the idea that we have to decarbonise. going right back to the energy and climate change act, and there's no actual evidence that that's been necessary. since 1979, we've been checking the change and comparing it with the forecasts of the un models, which all this is based on, and it just doesn't happen as advertised. we're still two degrees colder than we were in egyptian and roman times, and only a degree and a half over the coldest in 10,000 years. so basically what we're doing is we're planning to create a rolling eco economic disaster for everybody. it's

going to cost a fortune. literally tens of billions of pounds a year to try to solve a problem which nobody has yet measured . measured. >> mccarthy. >> mccarthy. >> yeah, i think what there's three tests for the manifesto was in terms of in terms of climate change, is it fast enough?is climate change, is it fast enough? is it fair to working people and to the economic? >> does it make economic sense? >> does it make economic sense? >> i would look at the various manifesto and i would say the green party and the liberal democrats take most of those boxes. >> they get eight out of ten. so the liberal get five, the tories get three and reform gets two. >> okay. so the liberal democrats, they plan to seek 90% renewable power by 2030. a net zero emissions by 2045. the green party wants 70% wind power by 2030, linking climate action to resolving cost of living inequality . so they are all inequality. so they are all looking at that. but what about if the premise is wrong ? as if the premise is wrong? as bnan if the premise is wrong? as brian has pointed out that if the premise of zero carbon is the premise of zero carbon is the wrong one, then surely this is all a waste of time? well 99% of scientists don't accept that premise, so therefore no. well

hold on. no, no no, you can't throw out 99% of science to everything. they don't. it's not 99. how many scientists say agree with this. and how many dont? >> every single major scientific bodyin >> every single major scientific body in the world accepts the science that represents 8 million scientists. there's around 4 to 5000 scientists, a minority who disagree. >> however , going back to, well, >> however, going back to, well, you can't just brush that under the issue about being fair, you just talked about the lib dem and the green party policies. now what i think is really interesting about what they're doing is they're saying the poor should not pay the price. they're saying the rich, who are the biggest carbon emitters by a huge amount, that they pay the price over the last ten years in britain, we have had an extraordinary transfer of wealth. there were 29 billionaires in 1920. there are now 127. that means £100 billion was transferred from working people to the carbon carbon rich. so what the greens and lib dems are saying is tax the rich and fund cutting bills for poorer people. cheaper homes , poorer people. cheaper homes, cheaper energy for their homes, tax the rich, cheaper .

tax the rich, cheaper. >> you know, you know what rich people are like. they're very clever at getting out of being taxed. you must know that, surely. i'm not sure that's going to work. let's bring on ben pile. ben paul is an independent researcher and writer. ben paul, he'sjoining writer. ben paul, he's joining us live now. he's down the line. ben, you've heard what what's been said there , in your view? been said there, in your view? firstly, which party do you think has the right idea with regard to climate ? regard to climate? >> well, certainly none of the mainstream parties, i think if we want to have a debate, which i think is essential for democracy , and there are a lot democracy, and there are a lot of people notwithstanding all the points that your panellists have made , you know, we need to have made, you know, we need to have made, you know, we need to have opposition in democratic politics and people's views need to be represented. and there are a lot of people, no matter how many scientists think x, there are a lot of people in the country who disagree with that . country who disagree with that. those claims and those views need to be represented . and need to be represented. and certainly as far as represent you know, how what we do about climate change, if we if it is

if it is a problem. so i think reform are the only only party that's, that's, really capable of putting forward an opposing argument, they've obviously yet to formulate their policies and turn their ideas into a fully fledged agenda, or manifesto. but but they're the only they're the only party that's really offering anything different. all the other parties, i think, are really vie, certainly as far as the manifestos of, the conservatives and labour party can said they're really avoiding the issue, and that is to say , the issue, and that is to say, all of the problems that were caused by the, the climate , caused by the, the climate, excuse me, the climate change act and net zero and the renewables obligation, subsidy scheme and the contracts for different subsidy scheme. these have been extremely these have been policy failures. essentially everything that the that government since tony blair's have done have caused problems after problems, after problems after problems, after problems and, and if you read the manifestos, their answer to

this is not to not to talk about, the, the, the problems of lockdowns, not to term not to talk about the, the policy failures themselves causing high energy prices, but to blame russia and then and then to blame the other party for being incompetent. so there's so by by incompetent. so there's so by by in this way what they're doing is avoiding having any kind of debate about the climate change act itself, which is incredibly damaging to democracy. okay, okay. >> well, i'm going to bring in bnan >> well, i'm going to bring in brian cat because he sounds like he's slightly speaking your language in a sense, because he's talking about reform, who probably have the policy reform. >> yeah, reform . have the policy >> yeah, reform. have the policy of getting rid of net zero because there is no justification for it in the first place. so why would we incur any of the costs? but the thing about this, and there is a slide that your producer did say she might put up, which is about the fuel mix that we're going to use just to show you how you can get that slide up for brian if we have it. basically, there's the whole idea of what they're

doing is technically illiterate and economically incompetent because, well, simply because you can't get rid of the here's the one here, okay? you can't get rid of gas there. so labour are saying we're going to stop all going to get rid of gas. we're not going to frack it. we're not going to frack it. we're going to go to wind as fast as possible. >> does this mean i'm looking right now? >> i'm going to tell you briefly. >> i'm going to tell you ever so quickly. >> and where did you get that from? this is the mix over the last few months. >> and winter is on the right. they're december to february. and what you can see, it's from it's from a reputable company that monitors all the energy output , that monitors all the energy output, which is which one, i forgot the name. hang on, let me. i've even finished explaining it yet. the bottom is nuclear and this is what's happening. normally the bottom is baseload nuclear, the blue is imports. and, hydro. and then the pink and the green. the pink is gas and the green is wind. the pink and the green. the pink is gas and the green is wind . so is gas and the green is wind. so thatis is gas and the green is wind. so that is what you're having to do with your gas supply to maintain the level of energy at the top

there, the total that's the total energy that's being generated. right? okay. so if you don't have gas, what are you going to do when the wind doesn't blow? >> what are you going to do when the wind doesn't blow? danika. >> well, you do exactly what you do in my house, which is what have solar? i've got batteries, we've got storage, we've got. yeah, but how do you charge your batteries with solar during the day? >> yeah, but. >> yeah, but. >> well, so therefore the cost now for, for a developer to put into a house what i've got in my house is around 4 to 5000. ludicrous why don't they. why don't brian helfers. but that gives me what that. >> why don't developers do that anyway? i mean, they should be doing that anyway. there are some things that people should be doing anyway. >> brian, i agree and actually the green party in the lib dem say they should do it. they it was agreed in 2010 that they would do it. but the tory donors who are developers lobbied them to not do it, should make absolutely class. >> can we have one point on this reform here? i've had many conversations with reform leaders, debate , etc, etc. we leaders, debate, etc, etc. we richard tice nigel farage and a lot . and it used to be that that lot. and it used to be that that they didn't believe in climate change, that it wasn't going on. and then, richard tice appears

on, on bbc breakfast and he talks about volcanoes being the reason. this is why you cannot get to a situation and to take them seriously because they are miles off it. >> miles off it, to be fair, to be fair, richard tice nigel farage and the people you speak of are not here to defend themselves, so they i'm hearing themselves, so they i'm hearing them say, i wish they were what you're telling me. >> i haven't heard very briefly because the gas point 38% of the last year's electricity came from renewables, renewables , 32% from renewables, renewables, 32% only came from gas. we're only a third, 25% eliminated 70% of fossil fuels. it's a success story for britain. nobody >> nobody's saying that we shouldn't have them. it's the case of how fast and talk about storage very briefly. got to go. storage is a huge cost. i'll give you 10s. >> you can't have storage because it will cost you 400 billion for the batteries for one day in the winter, two terawatt hours. >> and that has to be on the grid. >> it doesn't. >> it doesn't. >> okay, well, listen, we'll watch the space. so much to talk about and not enough time to get on with it. but thank you very much, jim dale, tom mccarthy and also brian cat. and also down

the line we had ben powell. right. so what do you think? gbnews.com/win your say. but first let's get your latest news headunes. headlines. >> very good afternoon to you. it's 3:33. the top story from the newsroom this afternoon . the the newsroom this afternoon. the princess of wales has resumed some of her public duties today. that's as she continues her cancer treatment . counts were cancer treatment. counts were crowds were seen cheering as princess catherine appeared with the king and other members of the king and other members of the royal family on the balcony of buckingham palace, and an raf fly past marked his majesty's official birthday. following the trooping the colour parade, a 41 gun salute and an raf fly—past, as i mentioned, that you saw there on the screen marked the special occasion post office campaigner sir alan bates, former prime minister gordon brown and actress imelda staunton are among those recognised in the king's birthday honours list. the former subpostmaster says his newly awarded knighthood is

recognition of the sheer hell that hundreds of post office workers went through . the workers went through. the liberal democrats leader has been tackling a racetrack and a trampoline today on the election campaign trail, we have lift—off the bounce in the polls coming well, campaigning in surrey, he hopes that blue wall gains will keep his party in the running for opposition. sir davies pledging to scrap elected police and crime commissioners to boost frontline policing . meanwhile, frontline policing. meanwhile, the prime minister says that he would stay on as an mp if the conservatives lose the general election. rishi sunak says he'll fight to the last day as he responded to a question about a yougov poll which shows that reform uk has now overtaken the tories for the first time. the reform uk party leader , nigel reform uk party leader, nigel farage, has suggested that he can be the voice of opposition to labour and elsewhere on the campaign trail. today, labour is

promising 40,000 extra out—of—hours nhs appointments each week. sir keir starmer is claiming that waiting lists could rise to 10 million if the conservatives remain in power. however, experts at the institute for fiscal studies say the claim is highly unlikely and the claim is highly unlikely and the tories have also dismissed it as scaremongering . that's the it as scaremongering. that's the latest from the newsroom for now. ray addison will have your next update at 4:00. until then, you can sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the code on your screen , or go to gb news. your screen, or go to gb news. com slash alerts . com slash alerts. >> thank you. sam. it's just coming up to 37 minutes after 3:00. still to come tom harwood will be in the political hot seat live from the labour battle bus. but next, doctor renee hoenderkamp will join me to discuss the latest e coli outbreak and the risks vaping. you won't want to miss that. do

welcome back. if you've just tuned in. where have you been? it's fine . don't worry. we've it's fine. don't worry. we've got 21 minutes to go of this houn got 21 minutes to go of this hour. then another two hours. so it's all good. i'm nana akua. this is gb news. we are britain's election channel right now. greencore group, who supply retailers including aldi, asda by amazon, boots, co—op, morrisons and sainsbury's , are morrisons and sainsbury's, are recalling various sandwiches, wraps and salads over fears that they are contaminated with e coli. now they say that it hasn't been detected in the products, but is a precautionary step now. meanwhile, another story which has shocked me this week is a young 17 year old girl who burnt a hole in her lung after vaping the equivalent of 400 cigarettes. well, joining me now to explain all of it is doctor renee hoenderkamp. she's a gp and medical writer. renee. hello, bannau renee. this is, first of all, the e coli thing. now it seems they dragged their heels a while to tell us because

they weren't sure. or could it be that some of the retailers are massive retailers like amazon, big retailers here? >> i think they never want to scare people if they don't need to, but there clearly is some substance behind this because retailers do not withdraw products when there isn't something behind it. >> you know, i think they've had about 111, 120 cases, but some of those people will be seriously ill and some may die. >> and the uk h.s.a are saying that they expect more cases. so there's clearly something out there's clearly something out there that's been infected with e—coli e coli is something we live with. we carry it in our bowels. it's not an unusual . bowels. it's not an unusual. lots of utis are caused by e coli. okay, so that's urinary tract. >> yeah. sorry, so , you know, >> yeah. sorry, so, you know, it's a common bacteria, but there are a couple of strains of it that can actually make you very sick. now, most people won't get very sick. >> they'll get some diarrhoea, they'll feel a bit ropey, and they'll feel a bit ropey, and they'll recover . but other they'll recover. but other people, small children, the elderly, immunosuppressed , can elderly, immunosuppressed, can actually get some kidney involvement where actually they get seriously ill and they can

actually get renal failure. their kidneys can fail. so it is serious. and if it is in our salad and in these sandwiches, then those products absolutely need to be withdrawn. >> now, i read today that it's only products that have a sell by date of the 31st of may. i'm really hoping, nana that people are not eating sandwiches that have a sell by date of the 31st of may. >> today on the 15th of june. >> today on the 15th of june. >> yeah. how long does it take to show itself then? is it immediate? >> it would be fairly quickly. i'd say within 24 to 48 hours. >> so i think we're probably past the peak. >> but don't forget found out where it started isn't it. >> yeah. and also don't forget this is also spread on hand to mouth contact. >> so if people have got it and aren't particularly ill but aren't particularly ill but aren't practising good toilet hygiene, so they're leaving the loo without washing their hands with soap and water, touching a hand or touching something else. >> that's how these things get passed on. that's why it's really important to clean your hands after you go to the toilet i >> -- >> and i know it sounds like bafic >> and i know it sounds like basic stuff, but i think people think , it's fine, you know? think, it's fine, you know? >> i'll be fine. fine. it's not

fine . fine. >> and so it's really important that we do those kind of things. >> oh gosh . >> oh gosh. >> oh gosh. >> anyway, it's onto this. now, the 17 year old girl, she was vaping. now we've been kind of sold the notion that vaping is a lot safer than cigarettes. but then i said but i'm thinking you smoke for many, many years. then you couldn't get a cancer or something like this. that's vaping. if she hasn't been doing it for long, a couple of years and already there's a hole in her lung. admittedly, she smoked a lot, but i doubt that would be the outcome if you smoked 400 cigarettes. no. >> look, i this is such a frustrating thing, the whole vaping thing, because without vapes, we had already reached a point in this country that without draconian measures like you will never be able to buy a cigarette if you're over a certain age or whatever it is. >> we had managed to convince the majority of people to stop smoking. children were not taking up smoking, you know, in the main, and girls were taking up slightly more than boys. but still, we'd seen this dramatic decrease in the number of kids taking up smoking and adult smoking. and that's got to be a good thing. vaping comes along

is clearly aimed at children with brightly coloured packaging . raspberry flavour. >> you know what adult wants a raspberry? raspberry flavoured cigarette. these were clearly aimed at children because the big tobacco companies can see very clearly. >> the writing is on the wall for cigarettes, so they need another market and boy have they got one. >> but were they behind that though? because i thought it was smaller companies behind these vapes wasn't necessarily the bigger companies. they only took it up when they realised how profitable it could be. so i'm sort of don't kind of want to blame them in a sense. >> okay. let's not blame them. >> okay. let's not blame them. >> but they're certainly on that train right now and they see a massive market. and the difference is, is that children are taking up vaping who would never have smoked. >> and that to me is a crime, because now we've got a problem that we don't know how big it is. and this young girl has just demonstrated that it might be a lot bigger even than smoking. >> so yes, she was smoking a lot , but she was using one vape that had 4000, you know, times. yeah, whatever it was in it

quickly. this was not the first time she'd been in hospital. it was the third time. >> so this was clearly affecting her. >> but she was carrying on. nobody was stopping her. i think there needs to be some parental. >> i mean, she's an addict, isn't she? she's. she's addicted to nicotine. that's the addictive part of the cigarette, which is they took away the tar, which is they took away the tar, which was the damaging part. but of course, if you are addicted to nicotine, then the other effects of the thing that you're drawing the nicotine from have to be taken into consideration. absolutely >> and we have no data on these things. >> i fear that we're going to get 20 years down the line like we did with smoking and find that they're much, much worse even than smoking. >> and don't forget , doctors >> and don't forget, doctors told people that smoking was good for their health and now we've got this. >> and you know, if you think about it logically, breathing hot smoke into your lungs cannot be better than just breathing air. yeah, it can't be. >> no, it can't be. thank you very much, renee, your advice to smokers or vapers? >> in fact, i think adults that want to stop smoking, using them for a short period of time to

stop smoking, for a short period of time to stop smoking , that's a brilliant stop smoking, that's a brilliant thing. children don't do it. please, let's try and stop them doing it. >> stay away from them. seriously. well, thank you very much. that's doctor renee hoenderkamp. she's a gp and medical writer . right. next, medical writer. right. next, deputy political editor. tom harwood will be in the political hot seat. he's live from the labour battle bus

good afternoon. this is britain's election channel. it's just coming up to 49 minutes after 3:00. i'm nana akua . we're after 3:00. i'm nana akua. we're live on tv, online and on digital radio. and it is time for this week's political spotlight. i thought, why not? let's go and join. shine a light on on the labour's battle bus. because joining me now, gb news deputy political editor tom harwood. tom, you're on the battle bus. who's on the bus with you ? with you? >> i am on the battle bus .

with you? >> i am on the battle bus. i'm right at the back with a back of the bus. people at the moment, but i've been given, this little water bottle with the word change on it. that's the slogan of the labour party this election . it's blazoned across election. it's blazoned across the bus all over, as you can see, change labour, change, labour change labour. but at the moment, i have to say it's a bit of an empty battle bus. we were a little bit earlier with keir starmer and the shadow health secretary, wes streeting, visiting a hospital in north nottinghamshire, but, visiting a hospital in north nottinghamshire, but , for the nottinghamshire, but, for the moment we're actually just coming back to london. we should be actually passing the studio. not in not too long. a time, but it's interesting. the labour party is really focusing on health today with that hospital visit, talking about their plan to, as they say, get waiting lists down now, big question marks over how much funding they'll actually be putting into they'll actually be putting into the nhs. some questions there for the labour party , because for the labour party, because the manifesto doesn't say an overall level of funding, but they do commit to various specific policies , for example, specific policies, for example, using some capacity. those who

currently work in the nhs, getting them to work more hours, getting them to work more hours, getting them to work more hours, getting them to work weekends , getting them to work weekends, those sorts of things to try and push the service further and get waiting lists down. of course, for their part, the government say that actually in many areas that's already happening. but clearly a big push on health care today with this joint visit to a north nottinghamshire hospital with keir starmer and wes streeting, because keir starmer said that he wouldn't use private medical health cover and would use nhs stuff, we're actually going to be debating that next. >> was he questioned on that at all? has anybody asked him again whether he's sure about that ? yeah. >> it's interesting. there is a theme, there's seemingly a divide between wes streeting and keir starmer on this question of personal use of private health care. the words that were given to keir starmer in that first itv debate were would you , if itv debate were would you, if you felt it was the only way forward used private health

care, the only way forward and keir starmer said no. clearly an ideological opposition there. whereas the shadow health secretary, wes treating, has said that he would if it was the only way forward, use private health care. he's also today been talking specifically about this issue, about more people and the growing numbers of people who are choosing to use private health care. he was saying that, they're not traitors. that was his phrase , traitors. that was his phrase, because there's been some on the left who's been really criticising people who choose to use private health care. the shadow health secretary, wes streeting , say that these people streeting, say that these people are refugees, not traitors, almost saying that, well, the government's been pushing people into private health care because of the crisis in the nhs. now, that may be the case. that may not be the case, but what it clearly is, is a is a is a dividing line really between the leader of the opposition and the shadow health secretary, keir starmer, taking a more left wing

ideological position on the use of private health care, whereas wes streeting taking a much more moderate line but clearly trying to present a united front in that hospital visit today, all smiles and presenting that sort of same one team energy. but i think beneath the surface there, there is that divide within some people around. keir starmer's shadow cabinet table . there are shadow cabinet table. there are those who have that ideological opposition and those who do not, yes, it does seem it will be interesting to see, if labour, the labour do win power what they actually do with it. tom harwood thank you very much. always good to talk to you. that's tom harwood he's, on the labour battle bus this afternoon. well, lots of you have been getting in touch with your thoughts, jenny says that on the point that tom made with regard to kiss starmer and his plans, actually, to get people to work more, jenny maudsley says doctors won't. don't want to work more hours than they do

already. so how are all these appointments going to be filled? it's all talk because the labour party are saying they're going to have 40,000 new appointments a week , then, honey badger says, a week, then, honey badger says, did you see the labour bus that chopper was on, you can tell where all the union fees go. so very nice bus. was it? and, who else is there any anything else there? oh, yes. and then eva says starmer lied. he told beth rigby he paid privately for his teeth . i suppose teeth are on teeth. i suppose teeth are on the nhs. i didn't hear that. but maybe it maybe that's the truth. listen, thank you so much. keep your thoughts coming . your thoughts coming. gbnews.com/yoursay coming up. my monologue, i am discussing the trooping of the colour, and i'll be joined by lizzie cundy and bill rammell. this is gb news, britain's election channel. do not go anywhere . not go anywhere. >> looks like things are heating up . boxt boilers sponsors of up. boxt boilers sponsors of weather on gb news. hello and

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chance we could see some heavy showers move their way into northern ireland and northwestern parts of england. to those brisk winds will generally ease away across southern parts of the uk, which means those showers are going to be fairly slow moving. but generally through the course of sunday we should see a few more of those sunnier spells in between those showers in the south, and it will feel a little bit warmer here too. but across the northwest, those blustery winds will continue as that rain sweeps its way southwards, but it should generally break up into the afternoon , and we into the afternoon, and we should see a few more of those sunnier spells, which means it's going to be a little bit warmer here on sunday. highs of 21, perhaps even 22, in those prolonged periods across the southeast now through into the afternoon, then still plenty of showers across the north as well. these merging at times to bnng well. these merging at times to bring those longer spells of rain. still a little bit heavy too, but it is generally going too, but it is generally going to be turning drier across the south. now for the outlook . it south. now for the outlook. it is still a little bit unsettled. some rain and showers at times, but from wednesday onwards things generally a little bit dnen things generally a little bit drier, but temperatures

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news. >> hello and welcome to gb news on tv online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua. and for the next two hours, me and my panel will be taking on some of the big topics hitting the headunes the big topics hitting the headlines right now. this show is all about opinion. it's mine. it's theirs. and of course it's yours. we'll be debating, discussing and at times we will disagree, but no one will be cancelled. so joining me today is broadcast from columnist lizzie cundy. and also former she's got my hair. you've got my hair. i actually i've got her at hers. i've got your one and former and former. you ain't got any. >> that's what i meant. >> that's what i meant. >> and former labour mp bill rammell. right. coming up for

the great british debate this houn the great british debate this hour, i'm asking our reformed the new opposition party and then stay tuned for difficult conversations. solomon bar, he's a paralympian and a former apprentice candidate. he'll be live to talk about his amazing journey. before we get started though, let's get your latest news headlines with ray . news headlines with ray. >> thanks, donald. good afternoon. one minute past for our top stories this hour. the princess of wales has resumed some public duties as she continues her cancer treatment . continues her cancer treatment. crowds cheered as princess catherine appeared with the king and other members of the royal family on the balcony at buckingham palace, a 41 gun salute and an raf fly—past marked his majesty's official birthday following the trooping the colour parade . post office the colour parade. post office campaigner sir alan bates , campaigner sir alan bates, former prime minister gordon brown and actress imelda staunton are among those recognised in the king's birthday honours list. the

former subpostmaster says his newly awarded knighthood is recognition of the, quote sheer hell. hundreds of post office workers went through . leader of workers went through. leader of the liberal democrats sir ed davey has praised his efforts to expose the horizon. it scandal . expose the horizon. it scandal. >> i want to congratulate adam bates. this is thoroughly deserved . and he said it's not deserved. and he said it's not just for him, but on behalf of all subpostmasters , and that's all subpostmasters, and that's really good news. he fought the system sometimes single handedly, be fought it bravely and he won. and that's to all his credit. and i think we need now to get the compensation. he's talked about. >> well, meanwhile the lib dem leader has been tackling a racetrack and a trampoline on the election campaign trail. we have lift—off off. >> the bounce in the polls coming . coming. >> campaigning in surrey, he said he hopes blue wall gains will keep his party in the running for the opposition . sir

running for the opposition. sir ed is pledging to scrap elected police and crime commissioners to boost frontline policing . the to boost frontline policing. the prime minister says he'll stay on as an mp, even if the conservatives lose the general election. rishi sunak said he'll fight to the last day as he responded to a question about a yougov poll which shows that reform uk has overtaken the tories for the first time. the party's leader, nigel farage, has suggested that he can be the voice of opposition to labour. however, veterans minister johnny mercer told us a vote for reform is a vote for a labour government . government. >> do you want to pay more in tax, or do you want to vote for a party that has tax reduction in its dna to try and improve pubuc in its dna to try and improve public services and, and, you know, fight these challenges around migration and the economy that we know are ongoing or are you going to write a blank cheque to a massive majority for keir starmer to have unchecked power, dealing with, yet again, a guy who believes in absolutely nothing at all and will say anything to gain power ?

anything to gain power? >> well, elsewhere on the campaign trail, labour is promising 40,000 extra nhs appointments a week, but experts are questioning the funding details . so keir starmer was details. so keir starmer was asked if the plans would leave staff unable to cope if the list was to increase at the same rate as it's increased. >> since rishi sunak has been prime minister we would get if we had more, five more years of the tories to 10 million on that waiting list. that's why it's so important that this election is seen as a change election . the seen as a change election. the opportunity to turn the page on that usher in a labour government that is absolutely committed to rebuilding our country. >> well, the prime minister is among more than 90 western leaders at a ukraine peace conference this weekend. if you're watching on television, you're watching on television, you can see live footage there from the meeting in switzerland , from the meeting in switzerland, where they're hoping to put pressure on russia to end the war. china's staying away after moscow was frozen out for dismissing the event as a waste of time. president putin has

proposed a ceasefire, but only if kyiv withdraws its troops. president zelenskyy has called the conditions absurd . well, the conditions absurd. well, specialist teams are beginning a fresh search for the body of a man whose torso was discovered in salford in april. body parts of 67 year old stuart everett were found at kersal dale and three other locations. police say they're now searching an area of waresley woods. two men have been charged with his murder , and former arsenal and murder, and former arsenal and everton striker kevin campbell has died at the age of 54 after a short illness. his former teams are paying tribute to the ex—striker, saying he was adored by everyone. everton described their first black captain as not just a true hero, but a giant of a man. campbell also played for nottingham forest, west brom and cardiff. for the latest stories , cardiff. for the latest stories, sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen or go to gb news. carmela. that's right, let's get

straight back to . nana. straight back to. nana. >> thank you ray. good afternoon . you're with me. >> thank you ray. good afternoon .you're with me. i'm nana. akua. this is gb news. we are britain's election channel, and it's fast approaching. six minutes after 4:00. this is what i love about this country. in fact, this is what the world loves about the united kingdom. and the reason why people want to come here. it is the spirit of the british people. and i am so proud to be british. today was, of course , trooping of the was, of course, trooping of the colour, the king's birthday parade. it was created in the 17th century under king charles the second, and later became an annual event where the army would pay tribute to the king and it date back. it dates back to the battlefield so the troops would know where to rally in the confusion of war. now the colour or the flag was the most sacred thing for the regiment, who believed that the colour was imbued with the spirit of those who died , and soldiers fought to

who died, and soldiers fought to defend it. in typical british style. today the heavens opened, but the crowd were not dissuaded. they came prepared. of course they did. they live here. and if there's one thing that unites us brits, it's the weather. it's shocking. we're in june, for god's sake i but the june, for god's sake! but the rain stopped and the sky turned blue for the fly—past and the legendary red arrows, almost as though our late queen elizabeth the second was looking over. but the second was looking over. but the real star of the show was the real star of the show was the princess of wales , who's the princess of wales, who's undergoing cancer treatment. and yesterday in a statement to the public, she said that she wasn't out of the woods yet. but she thanked us for all the great wishes that we'd sent her. today was the first time we got to see her properly . catherine, the her properly. catherine, the princess of wales, stood next to the king alongside her husband , the king alongside her husband, the king alongside her husband, the prince of wales, and their children. even the republicans with the yellow flags looked like they were enjoying it there. the event closed with the national anthem. it's easy to smear or sneer at the idea of a

royal family or, as is the case of the sussexes , to walk away of the sussexes, to walk away and snipe from the sidelines and castigate it. but the world watched this event wide eyed . watched this event wide eyed. the british royal family are loved at events like this. unite the british people. i love this country and i'm so proud of our royal family. i am so proud, in fact, ridiculously proud to be . fact, ridiculously proud to be. british. right before we get stuck into the debate, here's what else is coming up today for the great british debate. this houn the great british debate. this hour, i'm asking, are reform the new opposition party? that's as nigel farage claims his party now eclipses the tories as the main rival to keir starmers labour after a yougov poll. bear in mind it was just one put them a point ahead of the conservatives is there any truth to his claims? so for the great british debate this hour, i'm asking, are reform the new opposition party? then at 450 it's royal roundup time. angela levin will be here with the latest from behind the palace

walls on the menu, of course, the trooping of the colour, which took place in full swing to mark the king's birthday today with the princess of wales returning to public duties, she'll have the latest on all the gossip. then, at five, it's my difficult conversation in solomon bar will be here in the studio to recount his inspiring story to paralympic and business fame . all of that is coming up. fame. all of that is coming up. of course. solomon will be here in the next hour . tell me what in the next hour. tell me what you think on everything we're discussing some of your thoughts, post your comments gbnews.com/yoursay . right. let's gbnews.com/yoursay. right. let's welcome again my panel, broadcaster and columnist lizzie cundy and also former labour mp bill rammell. right lizzie cundy, trooping of the colour. it's lovely isn't it. so british irish. >> i'm so proud to be british and as carly simon says, nobody doesit and as carly simon says, nobody does it better though, no one does it better though, no one doesit does it better though, no one does it better. and like us, that the pomp and the pageantry, the colour every bit of detail,

the colour every bit of detail, the timing to every second, it was incredible. 1400 of our king's soldiers, 200 horses not missing a beat. it was totally sensational. i'm so proud to be british. in fact, i am wearing an outfit rather similar to princess kate today. >> oh, you are are actually, this was designed for me by the former queen's aide, angela kelly, that used to dress the queen. >> oh, really? and was sent to me and matched dear kate. and it was so. i know it was the king's day, but it really was about princess kate who looked so radiant and beautiful. we haven't seen her for seven months since christmas 2023, and ihave months since christmas 2023, and i have to say she looks stunning. she looked, well, beautiful , you know, always beautiful, you know, always perfect. but what an inspiration to other cancer sufferers. seeing her there today . and seeing her there today. and there was, i thought there was a

real poignant moment when king charles was standing there in the pouring rain. you know, quintessentially british, the rain pouring down on him and there's a man, you know, who is 75 years old and going through cancen 75 years old and going through cancer, but fulfilling every duty he can do for his country. i am so very proud of. >> yeah, yeah, bill rammell i'm not an all singing and dancing monarchist. >> i'm a pragmatic monarchist , >> i'm a pragmatic monarchist, what does that mean? >> it means i support the monarchy and accept it, and, and i think it's important as part of our country and our constitution, and i think the trooping of the colour is actually quite a dignified occasion if you compare it to some of the events, similarly that take place overseas , it's that take place overseas, it's understated. it's not over the top militaristic . and i think it top militaristic. and i think it comes across very well. i think it was fantastic to see both king charles and princess kate

there today. they've been through hell, and, you know, there's further work for both of them to do, but hopefully they're getting there. >> the other thing that struck me was watching them on the balcony and particularly looking looking at william and kate with their children. do you know what really struck me ? they came really struck me? they came across as an ordinary family in their relationship with their children. >> i'm not sure. in previous generations that was the case with the monarchy, and i think that's a positive development. >> i mean, i agree with you. >> i mean, i agree with you. >> and seeing them on the balcony, it was wonderful. the sun just came out on time, like you said, like it's like the queen was there saying, let the light shine on the righteous . light shine on the righteous. and it was so fantastic to see little louis, who always seems to steal the thunder, doesn't he? we're like , there should be he? we're like, there should be a show. what will louis do next? and it was so sweet and you could see him yawning at times. and then she put her, you know, louis on her knee and they are, at the end of the day, a family, you know, and it was fantastic to see. but i have to say , to see. but i have to say, globally, everyone was watching. everyone was there to see. kate

and i spoke to some people that came all the way from australia and had been camping outside since 330 yesterday. but i mean, i think we all were jubilant to hear the news. i heard it on jubilee news, who were first to say that kate's statement she she was going to be there and i honestly i could have cried with joy- >> i think i slightly did cry, i thought, but it's great, isn't it? i mean, they are such a wonderful example and i'm not going to mention the sussexes. i'm not going to , but they must i'm not going to, but they must be looking on. i will say this though. see to me that's how you treat your family and you look after your family. treat your family and you look after your family . and i would after your family. and i would say that if harry was looking at that, he's probably missing his family and i'm sure he is, because don't forget, it's father's day tomorrow, and he will be thinking, gosh , look will be thinking, gosh, look what i've lost out on. and his father there, you know, so proud. suffering with cancer. and he still was there in the pounng and he still was there in the pouring rain , was unbelievable. pouring rain, was unbelievable. >> but you know what? dispassionately i hope there

comes a time when there can be a reconciliation , you know, given reconciliation, you know, given what the two boys went through when their mother died, they were supported by their father to see them, to see harry estranged from his father . estranged from his father. >> in this way, doesn't fill your heart with gladness. >> and i hope bridges can be built. >> well, you know what? it would be for, i would say for harry to come to the uk and apologise . i come to the uk and apologise. i it's not the other way around. i mean, he was demanding an apology before. he's suing anything that he thinks he can get money out of. it's so it's just so it just looks horrible . just so it just looks horrible. he should just move on and, you know, enjoy the fact that you've left this. i would me i would not leave this. i'd be more than happy to give it my duty and service, but i'm not as lucky as him in that respect. it's a wonderful thing to be given the opportunity. if he doesn't want it, he should go. but he should go quietly. take his money, take the privilege, relax. enjoy your life with your children. instead of whingeing . of whingeing. >> he's been misguided in the way that, and particularly if he thinks misguided him. >> prince harry well, i've looked . looked. >> do you think it's misguided?

hang on. we look at, i don't know if it's between the two of them or if it's meghan , but, you them or if it's meghan, but, you know, he has said things outside the tent about the fact i hope harry difficult. >> look, i hope harry and meghan were watching today because seeing king charles and princess kate, that is the that just is everything. such an inspiration. and they know the real meaning of duty. >> yeah, well, listen, thank you very much. and what do you think at home? i bet you really enjoyed that. did you, let me know your thoughts. gbnews.com/yoursay. what a fabulous event . nobody does it fabulous event. nobody does it better than us. although the song that you were going to say i thought the song might be why she sung that one as well, didn't she ? oh she did. oh, didn't she? oh she did. oh, there's one about the mirror as well. yeah >> about mick jagger. well listen anyway it's time for the great british giveaway , your great british giveaway, your chance to make this summer really special. you could win over £16,000 worth of prizes, that's £15,000 in cash and then lots of treats on top of that. but you have to be in it to win it. so here is the details that you need. >> it's our summer spectacular.

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good afternoon. it's just coming up to 21 minutes after 4:00. this is gb news. we are britain's election channel. i'm nana akua. and it's time for the great british debate this hour. and i'm asking, are reform uk, the new opposition party now ,

the new opposition party now, reform uk leader nigel farage has demanded to participate in a bbc election leader's debate after his party overtook the tories. in one opinion poll. now, the poll, conducted by the times and yougov, show reform to be one point ahead of the conservative by 19% to 18. however for most other polls still have the tories 4 or however for most other polls still ha points ahead of reform. all unlike all, also have a double digit labour lead. farage. nigel farage then declared to be the official opposition, claiming that a vote for sunak's party rishi sunak party should be considered a wasted vote on the itv election debate. he crossed swords with penny mordaunt over the claim . the claim. >> given that your 2010 manifesto, your 2015 manifesto, your 2017 manifesto, said you reduced net migration to tens of thousands. your 2019 manifesto said immigration would massively reduce and that net 4.3 million people have come into the

country since that time . why on country since that time. why on earth should anybody believe the fifth manifesto that promises cuts to net migration ? cuts to net migration? >> because of the record of this prime minister >> so we've had we've had oh, no, that's fine. i'm happy figures out today that show that visa applications have fallen by 30. >> and the obr's own forecast say that we will halve immigration by next summer. that's the trajectory we are on. and we will give we will give parliament the chance to set an annual cap on family and work visas. that is, will be enshrined a legal cap at and thatis enshrined a legal cap at and that is what we are offering. that's why you can have confidence that those numbers have come down. they're they're projected to come down. and the only alternative you have in this election is that or what the labour party have on offer. nigel is a labour enabler. nigel, he is a nigel. no cap, no

target and no plan. penny penny. nigel farage come back. >> i don't believe a single word that you say. you've deceived us with the last four manifestos. i don't believe you in the fifth. and as for being a labour enabler, we are now ahead of you in the national park. >> okay. >> okay. >> thank you. a vote for you is actually now a vote for labour. >> so for the great british debate this hour, i'm asking, are reform uk, the new opposition party. well i'm joined now by denis macshane. he's a former minister for europe jess gill, a political commentator, and jack hatfield, journalist at public role. i'm going to start with you, denis macshane . yes. what do you macshane. yes. what do you think? what are your thoughts ? think? what are your thoughts? >> it was one poll. it was yougov, a great polling organisation. but it's known as anything you want. >> guv. should we just wait and see? >> now they're quite seriously for a few more polls. >> i think the dynamism is with nigel farage. >> oh , david cameron has just >> oh, david cameron has just been quoted. i saw just a half

an hour ago. nigel farage is out to destroy the tory party. but did david miliband to mainstream politics? who gave him his referendum on brexit? who walked out of all partnership with other conservative centre right parties in europe? it was you, david cameron , who, blaming david cameron, who, blaming nigel farage for picking up the pieces and making them into a better shape, i just think is a bit late in the day. well it's not really nigel farage's job to support the conservative party >> i mean, reform uk are a party in their own right, so why should they? i don't see why they should do that. jess gill, i think reform do have an opportunity to be a new opposition party. >> and even if it's not reform , >> and even if it's not reform, i think they they're paving the way for a real opposition party, because quite frankly, there's not that much difference between labour and conservative at the moment. >> as farage said, we don't believe that the conservative party are going to control immigration and immigration. i'm currently in clarkson right now

actually campaigning on behalf of reform. and honestly, like they don't believe that it the conservative party is a real opposition and they see the dynamism, they see the passion that nigel farage has. and i think that's promising . and i think that's promising. and i think that's promising. and i think that's promising. and i think that's a lot better than the alternatives . the alternatives. >> dennis, you know, we can see you moving in that very strange manner . i you moving in that very strange manner. i don't know what you're doing. sorry. i was just trying . doing. sorry. i was just trying. we can see you. i mean, those who are watching on tv can see those listening on radio. can't. but he's he's moving around in front of his camera and it looks odd. jack hadfield yeah, well, i think i 100% have to agree with jess here, you know, and you know, reform really is the dynamic party. >> it is going to be the new opposition, you know, we saw the line that penny put out in the tv debates, which is a for vote reform, is a vote for labour. what we heard this back in 2010, 2015, you know, it was first, you know, a vote for ukip is a vote for labour, then a vote for

the brexit party is a vote for laboun the brexit party is a vote for labour. now a for vote reform is a vote for labour. but nigel's right. a vote for tory is a vote for labour. almost in the same way that, well, what are the conservatives doing? are they doing anything conservative? are they doing anything better than what a labour government would do, especially on migration? in fact, it's pretty obvious to me that compared to the blair and brown governments, the conservatives have been ten times worse on immigration. so it's almost why would you be scared of a labour government in that way if they're actually supposedly going to be better for you than than the supposed right wing alternative? it doesn't make any sense. >> well, well, to be fair, though , if you look at the though, if you look at the voting structure, though, it's the first past the post system that we have, some would argue that we have, some would argue that it's very unlikely that reform will be able to to, push through that because of the system. so even if you think that they are the greatest party on earth, the bottom line is this they will not become the opposition because the first past the post system will not allow it anyway. so again, the

fact that the comment is that a vote for reform is a vote for labour may still ring true. dennis, is that not the case with the system? what needs to happenis with the system? what needs to happen is not a thank you for a dose of realism and a reality. >> actually, if you look at a number of polls about the general election, it is the lib dems who are going to come second to labour's, who may face up with the idea of ed davey giving up, splashing through every water puddle in the country and becoming leader of her majesty's official opposition . we don't know, but opposition. we don't know, but you're quite right. opposition. we don't know, but you're quite right . reform can you're quite right. reform can get 90% in every constituency in the land. it doesn't give them a single mp. nigel understands that completely , i'm not sure that completely, i'm not sure he'll win in clacton. probably. he's a huge personality , but he's a huge personality, but it's a celebrity vote, like, you know, going in the jungle. so so, yeah, i mean, but nigel farage has destroyed the conservative party, but the conservative party, but the conservative party, but the conservative party is destroyed

themselves by taking this cuckoo into the nest. this frog into their pond. and instead of which frog ? frog? >> sorry, who's the frog? which frog? and cuckoo you lost me at those. >> well, i'll talk about nigel. of course . perhaps i should call of course. perhaps i should call him a frog. that means french. he'd be upset by that . he'd be upset by that. >> but very nice it is. >> but very nice it is. >> no, no, no, i'm very fond of nature, you know, like nana. basically. david cameron opened the door after 2010 to all of these ideas. i'm not getting into a brexit debate. i'm not getting into i don't like nigel debate because i actually like him. but it is david cameron , him. but it is david cameron, the tories, who are 100% responsible for their own downfall. >> so now you're blaming brexit and the tories. listen, david cameron offered a referendum which the people voted for in a democratic manner and then determined the fate. so the door he only opened the door. but be fair, the british public, in a democratic way, .voted fo r

democratic way, .voted for brexit. i wish some people who voted remain. clearly you did can get to grips with that. jess gill well, well no no no no no no no no no no jess gill yes. jess. yes. >> there's somebody else there l, >> there's somebody else there i, i don't think a vote for reform is a vote for labour. quite frankly , because we've had quite frankly, because we've had pretty much labour in the past 12 years anyway, sharing jack's sentiment and honestly , if sentiment and honestly, if reform can come second, at least evenin reform can come second, at least even in areas where labour are going to win, i think that's still a success. i think that means they're posing a real threat to the conservative parties. it's not about the number of mps this election at least if we can gain ground this election. farage i guarantee is going to win. i'd be very surprised if he doesn't. and i think that might set a precedent to the next general election . to the next general election. after labour. we're bound to have a labour government this general election. i think it's about next general election where we can. so, you know, so the foundations now. >> yeah, but but but the point is, again , you sort of haven't is, again, you sort of haven't really addressed the proportional representation

issue or the first past the post situation that we have, which means that , you know, just means that, you know, just because of that, jack, very quickly to your final word , it quickly to your final word, it is unlikely that reform i'm putting that to you, jack. will be able to become the opposition, the actual opposition, the actual opposition, which is what nigel is saying. >> well, i think they will become the opposition, certainly spiritually, and that the conservatives will prove no real actual ideological opposition to laboun actual ideological opposition to labour. but as jess. right, it's about the election afterwards . about the election afterwards. we know there's going to be a massive labour majority, probably more than blair in 1997 coming up. and the thing is, it's a two party system. yes, but it is not always the same. two parties, remember, labour used to be the third party. it was the conservatives and the liberals back in the 1920s. it took one election, a couple election cycles , then suddenly election cycles, then suddenly labour were the second party. that's all you need. this is the first time because we know the conservatives are no chance of getting in. you have to think, what do i want in the future come 2029, come the elections,

after that, do i want the same tired old conservatives or is now the first chance to break, you know, to break the conservative and put an actual real right wing party in opposition right now building up to the potentially, hopefully in the next election or the election after that, to actually form a new government that gives people what they actually want. >> well, okay. well, we shall see whether that whether they do want that or not because it seems that most people are it looks like labour will have a landslide. jack hatfield , thank landslide. jack hatfield, thank you very much, jess gill, thank you very much, jess gill, thank you to you. and also denis macshane really good to talk to you. and of course, because we did mention , the clacton. let me did mention, the clacton. let me give you the candidates for the clacton constituency. they are as follows giovanni owusu, nepal as follows giovanni owusu, nepal. that's from the labour party. giles watling for the conservative party. matthew bensalem , the liberal democrats bensalem, the liberal democrats and nigel farage reform uk and natasha osborne in the green party. so those are the candidates , clacton and also candidates, clacton and also craig jamieson, the climate party, tony mac, independent,

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nana. >> hello. good afternoon. it's fast approaching 38 minutes after 4:00. this is gb news. we are live on tv, online and on digital radio. and it's time for the great british debate this houn the great british debate this hour. and i'm asking, are reform uk , the new opposition party, uk, the new opposition party, reform uk leader nigel farage has demanded to participate in a bbc election leader's debate after his party overtook the tories in an opinion poll that a poll was conducted by the times

and yougov, and it shows reform to be one point ahead of the tories by 19% to 18. however, most other polls still have the tories 4 or 5 points ahead of reform. all also have a double digit lead for labour farage nigel farage then declared to be the official opposition, claiming a vote for sunak's party should should be considered a wasted vote. so for the great british debate this houn the great british debate this hour, i'm asking are reform uk the new opposition party? well, let's see what my panel make of that. i'm joined by broadcaster and columnist lizzie cundy, also former labour mp bill rammell. bill rammell, i'll start with you. no, they're not the opposition to the labour party . opposition to the labour party. >> why not? >> why not? >> one one opinion poll? >> one one opinion poll? >> there's been three since then putting the tories ahead of reform, albeit narrowly. even if reform, albeit narrowly. even if reform ended up 1 or 2% ahead of the tories on polling day, first past the post will protect the tory party >> reform might get 1 or 2 seats. the tories, i think, realistically , will get at least realistically, will get at least 7080 seats. however for the fact

that in that poll they did move ahead of the tories has terrified the tory party far be it from me to give dispassionate advice to the tory party but i think they've got to take farage on, not by saying a for vote him is a vote for labour, because, frankly, most people are acclimatised to the labour party winning, but taking him on and exposing him for the populist that he is, well, why are you calling him a populist? >> what about him is a populist? surely a populist is somebody who will talk about popular policies? isn't that what is a populist? a populist is, in your understanding, a populist is someone who peddles simplistic solutions to complicated problems. >> he does that all the time. >> he does that all the time. >> so hang on, let me just okay, so let me bring you a policy from the labour party . 20% vat from the labour party. 20% vat on private schools will bring them 1.6 billion. yeah. which is a very small portion of a budget, but it doesn't really account for all the other factors around it, like the children's education where the space in the schools and so on and so forth, where these kids are going to go . to me, that's a are going to go. to me, that's a

pretty simplistic answer to a very complex problem. so aren't the labour party also populists ? the labour party also populists? >> it's a fair policy. it is about fairness and equity in support of the 93% of children who simplicity. >> but you can call it fair. but from your definition of populism, it's a populist policy as well, because it doesn't take into account even the unions are turning away from that one. even the unions are saying that's not going to bring in the money. also, as is the obr looking at it and saying that if it costs the taxpayer money, they'll need to scrap it. >> yeah, but sorry, if you look at the dispassionate , at the dispassionate, independent analysis, for example, from the institute for fiscal studies , it said there fiscal studies, it said there will be some attrition, but and they've estimated that it will it will bring in that amount of money. i also think that private schools won't pass on all of the vat. well, that's well, again, i'm just challenging you on the word populist when you're calling nigel farage a populist, when you guys are bringing out simplistic policies. >> and i'll give you a good government. >> we need a strong opposition . >> we need a strong opposition. and that is in nigel farage. and

bill, you have to admit, considered where reform were when nigel now, you know, came in and said, i'm standing. look at the leap they've got now in head of the tories . and rishi head of the tories. and rishi was watching him for ages and he knew he was on the jungle. he was worried because the younger generation now all know who nigel farage is. believe me, i've seen them around him. they all love nigel now and he has really reached out to a different audience somewhere that keir starmer can't actually reach, because keir starmer has done 27 u—turns. no one actually believes what he said. look what he's done on the green issue. >> but lizzie but lizzie, he has a double digit poll lead, so all of that is all very well. but nigel is claiming it's by default for the tories. >> i don't believe it's on keir starmers policies. >> but what about the tories? he's out the conservative party though. where are they then ? though. where are they then? because, as bill's pointed out, this electoral system will not is unlikely to allow nigel's party to lead. but unless there's some serious , serious

there's some serious, serious shift, well, i think there can be a serious shift. >> and the fact is keir starmer won't go against nigel farage. he's asked it on the immigration issue to have a 1 to 1. why doesn't he do that? keir starmer can't do it because all he can say is my dad's a toolmaker. >> do you know lucy and he made him. yeah. >> he made he made him. and also he went to a private school. bill. let's put, let's be honest about this, a grammar school. >> it was a grammar that went in, became fee paying. so to be fair to him, i need to go this, but i want to come back to you. this. but this is nothing without you and your views. that's what i call my great british voices. their opportunity to be on the show and tell us what they think about the topics we're discussing. let's have a chat with leigh harris. leigh harris, what are your thoughts? come on. nigel farage is it is it a possibility for reform uk to become the opposition? nigel is saying that nigel farage is saying that nigel farage is saying that nigel farage is saying that . saying that. >> i can understand why he's saying it. >> but, you know, i personally couldn't believe that the crossover . crossover. >> oh he's frozen. >> oh he's frozen. >> what's happening? this bombshell yougov poll putting , bombshell yougov poll putting, you know, reform 11. ahead of the conservative party, the

oldest and most successful political party in the world. it is only one poll and it is within the margin of error. but it's fair to say that, you know, considering nigel farage only announced his return to politics, what, just over a week ago, that is quite an incredible achievement. and it's also fair to say that this is unlikely to translate into enough seats for reform to actually become the official opposition, but it is still technically possible. but nigel farage is making quite a salient argument. he's saying the election is over. labour have won, which is, to be fair, the general consensus in the polls and with political commentators, and he's fighting to be the voice of opposition in parliament. and one of the biggest complaints about the conservatives is not much difference between them and the labour party . you know, the labour party. you know, the conservatives are not that conservative and he feels he'll be the real voice of opposition. now, in my view , the other main now, in my view, the other main reason nigel farage is making this point is he wants to be included in the four way leaders debate coming up, which currently includes the leader of the lib dems, conservatives,

labour and the snp. and i personally think this is a completely valid request and he should be included. reform have been consistently polling polling ahead of the lib dems , polling ahead of the lib dems, way ahead of, way ahead of the snp , since january this year. snp, since january this year. i mean, i think it's actually permanently ahead of the snp and i think he has a right to be there. now, i don't know exactly what the rules are with the bbc, but my gut tells me they're not going to let him. >> well, well, you never know. it would be really interesting in the world. >> starmer and sunak don't want him there because he's a better debater than both of them put together. >> well, i don't think that's difficult. i think we could both do probably a better debate than those two. yeah. lee harris, thank you very much. really good to talk to you. that is lee harris. he's our great british voice. still to come, my difficult conversation solomon bar will be here live to tell us about his amazing paralympic struggle. but next at will be here to give the latest from behind the palace walls in

welcome back. i'm nana akua. this is gb news. now. there's always something going on in the royal household. and this week has been no different. and each saturday, i love to give you a rundown and who better to do so than royal biographer angela levin? angela wow, it's been busy, hasn't it? today? talk me through trooping of the colour. >> it was absolutely amazing. i cried and cracking up before we even start. i mean , to see king even start. i mean, to see king charles, to be so brave, so strong . and sometimes i think strong. and sometimes i think his stomach hurt or he just moved himself. he didn't seem very comfortable, but he was there and he was going to go through it all. >> and the rain poured down, and he had a tiny little table and a place to sit. >> and i just thought, you know, he's the most wonderful man. he cares more about us and the people who they're serving him, than ever. and then , you know, than ever. and then, you know, you have as an extra, extra bonusis you have as an extra, extra bonus is princess catherine, who looked absolutely stunning . she looked absolutely stunning. she did look very, very slim,

though, but she looked beautiful in that outfit. and, princess charlotte sort of went with it very well. but i thought catherine was again. >> she was there because she's, involved with the, the army who were taking the flag. >> and secondly , that it's a >> and secondly, that it's a family event. and i was thinking before who would sit with the three children because it's always her. and how would it wouldn't work ? because william wouldn't work? because william wouldn't work? because william would be his on the horse. and i thought, she's doing that for the family. and she looked stunning. and i thought, what an amazing woman that she actually puts other people before her own wishes . and but little charlotte wishes. and but little charlotte is extraordinary child. when they were coming back , she was they were coming back, she was wiping the windows so that everyone could see with her hand getting rid of the rain. she's fantastic . and then she was

fantastic. and then she was waving both sides she was having. she was having a great time. and she looked after louis. she told him off when he was doing a little jig at one point and when he wasn't sitting properly, and she kept calling him to order and it was absolutely hilarious . and i absolutely hilarious. and i think she was doing that on her mother's behalf. so that her mother's behalf. so that her mother can be there, and she adores her mother. so she just really wants, wants to help out . really wants, wants to help out. and george is fine. he just sat there, but i thought it was it was very moving to see them as a family again. was very moving to see them as a family again . what was family again. what was interesting on the balcony was that it wasn't a big, a load of royals. there no, eugenie, no. anyone like that and, there were nine and three children, which is very small. but i thought that that's probably because they don't want to get too close to too many people because, catherine and charles are too vulnerable , and they would be vulnerable, and they would be there. and it was just lovely to

see them actually, again there. but they decided not to have some people thought it would be everybody. i thought he would have a lot more people there, but they didn't and that was fine. and the other thing that actually got my heart was that prince william and princess anne and prince prince edward were getting completely drenched. they were on their horses. they had to go back after the festivities were over . and festivities were over. and again, they were doing that because that's what you do . and because that's what you do. and i thought, we're jolly lucky in this country to have a royal family who will put themselves out like that and really do their very best for the nation , their very best for the nation, and how brilliantly all the military were every second. it was absolutely right. and nobody would put a foot wrong very, very amazing, very moving, very moving indeed , i've got to say, moving indeed, i've got to say, it was lovely, wasn't it? yes

and all the pomp and ceremony. no one does it better than us. >> no, nobody ever does. and that's why our, royal family is the one that's most popular. and i do have to say, and just a couple of words that meghan introduced some raspberry jam and some dogs biscuits. just an hour before. don't laugh an hour before. >> well, yes, but trooping of the colour , i mean, can you the colour, i mean, can you imagine that the desire to be of note list and to always. do you think so? >> because you know what though, this is maybe the timing and it timed in with this. if it were me and i was marketing, i'd probably not do it at the same time. i'd actually think that that probably wouldn't be as wise to time. it then seems an odd thing i think i'd probably, because obviously the world is looking at the trooping of the colour, aren't they? >> yes, but if you go back, it's always just before a big event because she wants the attention.

i don't think she works it out that other people would do it. i think she works it out that they all look at me. i just want to tell you about one amazing lady very briefly. yeah. very briefly . i've got about 15 seconds. her name? baroness eliza manningham buller. she's going to be the first, chancellor of the order of the garter which will be a on monday , and the first female monday, and the first female since 1475 to be made chancellor of the order of the garter. well, she's 75, and i think that's very good. she ran the mi5 that's very good. she ran the m15 and she's now doing that . m15 and she's now doing that. and congratulations. >> well done to her. angela levin, thank you so much . that's levin, thank you so much. that's fabulous. angela levin, royal biographer. this was the royal roundup . still to come, solomon roundup. still to come, solomon bar will be here live to tell us about his incredible journey . about his incredible journey. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar, sponsors of weather on gb

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british debate this hour, i'm asking should people who can afford private healthcare stop using the nhs? as labour warned that the tories have created a two tier health system as waiting lists soar to 7.6 million. and for my clip bait this week, we'll be finding out why harvey price doesn't like economy class flights. when we go on holiday. >> half. yeah we're only going to go on an easyjet flight. >> oh, mum , what's wrong with >> oh, mum, what's wrong with that? >> no , we'll bring you the full >> no, we'll bring you the full video a little bit later on. >> but first let's get your latest news with ray addison. >> thanks, nanny. good afternoon. 5:01. our top stories . the princess of wales has resumed some public duties as she continues her cancer treatment. crowds cheered as princess catherine appeared with the king and other members of the king and other members of the royal family on the balcony at buckingham palace. a 41 gun salute and an raf fly—past

marked his majesty's official birthday following the trooping the colour parade. post office campaigner . the colour parade. post office campaigner. sir alan bates, former prime minister gordon brown and actress imelda staunton are among those recognised in the king's birthday honours list. the former subpostmaster says his newly awarded knighthood is, quote, recognition of the sheer hell that hundreds of post office workers went through . office workers went through. leader of the liberal democrats, sir ed davey has praised his efforts to expose the horizon. it scandal . it scandal. >> i want to congratulate adam bates. this is thoroughly deserved. and he said it's not just for him, but on behalf of all sub postmasters. and it's that's really good news. he fought the system sometimes single handedly, be fought it bravely and he won. and that's all to his credit. and i think we need now to get the compensation. he's talked about. >> well, meanwhile the lib dem leader has been tackling a racetrack and a trampoline on the election campaign trail. racetrack and a trampoline on the election campaign trail . we the election campaign trail. we have lift—off .

have lift—off. >> the bounce in the polls coming . coming. >> campaigning in surrey, he said he hopes blue wall gains will keep his party in the running for the opposition. sir ed is pledging to scrap elected police and crime commissioners to boost frontline policing . the to boost frontline policing. the prime minister says he'll stay on as an mp even if the conservatives lose the general election. rishi sunak said he'll fight to the last day as he responded to a question about a yougov poll which shows that reform uk has overtaken the tories for the first time. the party's leader, nigel farage, has suggested he can be the voice of opposition to labour. however, veterans minister johnny mercer told us a vote for reform is a vote for a labour government. >> do you want to pay more in tax, or do you want to vote for a party that has tax reduction in its dna to try and improve pubuc in its dna to try and improve public services and, and, you know, fight these challenges around migration and the economy that we know are ongoing? or are you going to write a blank

cheque to a massive majority for keir starmer to have unchecked power, dealing with, yet again, a guy who believes in absolutely nothing at all and will say anything to gain power elsewhere on that campaign trail, labour is promising 40,000 extra nhs appointments, a week, but experts are questioning the funding details . funding details. >> sir keir starmer was asked if the plans would leave staff unable to cope if the list was to increase at the same rate as it's increased since rishi sunak has been prime minister. >> we would get if we had more, five more years of the to tory 10 million on that waiting list. that's why it's so important that this election is seen as a change election. the opportunity to turn the page on that usher in a labour government that is absolutely committed to rebuilding our country. >> specialist teams are beginning a fresh search for the body of a man whose torso was discovered in salford in april. body parts of 67 year old stuart everett were found at kersal dale and three other locations.

police say they're now searching an area of waresley woods. two men have been charged with his murder . men have been charged with his murder. former arsenal and everton striker kevin campbell has died at the age of 54 after a short illness. his former teams are paying tribute to the ex—striker, saying he was adored by everyone. everton described their first black captain as not just a true hero , but a giant of just a true hero, but a giant of a man. campbell also played for nottingham forest, west brom and cardiff . well. for the latest cardiff. well. for the latest stories you can sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen, or go to gb news common. back now to . news common. back now to. nana. >> thank you. right, this is gb news on tv online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua for the next hour , me and my panel will next hour, me and my panel will be taking on some of the big topics hitting the headlines right now. this show is all about opinion. it's mine. it's

theirs. and of course it's yours. well, we're debating, discussing and at times we will disagree, but no one will be cancelled. so joining me today it's bill rammell and lizzie cundy still to come. my difficult conversations today is with 100 metre paralympic sprinter and former apprentice candidate solomon barr, who has shown exceptional talent and determination in his athletic and entrepreneurial pursuits whilst being visually impaired. he'll be joining me live in the studio in a moment then, for the great british debate this hour i'm asking should people who can afford private healthcare stop using the nhs as the waiting list soar to 7.6 million? send me your thoughts, post your comments gbnews.com/yoursay . comments gbnews.com/yoursay. right now though, it's time for this week's difficult conversations . it's just coming conversations. it's just coming up to seven minutes after 5:00, and i'm joined by solomon barr. now he's a paralympic athlete who competes in the category for

athletes. athletes with visual impairments after suffering a rare eye condition called rp. now he's shown exceptional talent and determination in his athletic and entrepreneur pursuits, and he uses his experience to advocate for inclusivity and support for disabled athletes. he also was a candidate on the 2019 series of the bbc show the apprentice, and i'm pleased to say that i'm joined in the studio by paralympian and former apprentice candidate solomon barr. solomon, thank you very much for joining barr. solomon, thank you very much forjoining me. thank you much for joining me. thank you for having me. right. now your journey, your story is quite interesting. so talk to me about how you came to the uk and how old were you, what? >> yes, absolutely. so, at the age of five, i was born in a country called guinea, which is in the west of africa. and my first day of school, i remember going in and looking at the blackboard, which is what they used at the time. and after my teacher wrote some words on the board, i realised i couldn't see the board and after straining and squinting my eyes, i put my

hand up and i said, sir, i can't see the board and my teacher said to leave the classroom, that i was making a nuisance and my parents thought, well, we want you to have an education andifs want you to have an education and it's not going to be possible here. and that's the reason why we emigrated to the uk, where my visual impairment was recognised. it was diagnosed as rp , which is a degenerative as rp, which is a degenerative eye condition. so it gets worse over time, leading to complete blindness . blindness. >> so is there any medication to slow it down or treat it in some way? >> there isn't any medication as such, but there are some gene therapy advancements currently. i trialled one at the moorfields eye hospital, which is looking to reduce the speed at which it gets worse . at the minute i say gets worse. at the minute i say i probably have about 10% of eyesight. and it is incrementally getting worse. >> is it so ? how much can you >> is it so? how much can you see? so if you're looking at me now, what do i look like? do i look like a little red dot with this weird shape? the weird colour hair on? >> not exactly. so when i look at your face, i can only see a tiny . so it's called tunnel tiny. so it's called tunnel vision. so i can only see a tiny

little hole in the in the middle of my eyesight. almost like looking for a sniper. okay so i can see your nose. and then if i looked a little bit to left, i can see your eye. and i build a picture of your face inside of my head. >> do you like my new hair, then? >> yeah, i like it. >> yeah, i like it. >> it looks really good. i see, that's an interesting. it's interesting how you've described that, because i can totally understand how you see things and how you kind of have to move your head around now to sort of get the full picture of things. and is it that the tunnel sort of has got smaller and smaller over time ? yeah, that's exactly it. >> so i used it.— >> so i used to it. >> so i used to have it.— >> so i used to have a it. >> so i used to have a wider periphery and over time it just shrinks. >> oh wow. so how with that, have you managed to achieve so much talk to me about your young days. much talk to me about your young days . and obviously you were on days. and obviously you were on the apprentice. you're a paralympian . talk to me about paralympian. talk to me about all of that. >> yeah. so my journey with sports started very early on when i moved to the uk. it was one of the, you know, sports as they say, doesn't have a language. and so it was something i really love doing in the playground with my friends. and sports day was my favourite day and you know, i could quickly advance. i realised i was fast and i joined a local club and again just carried on

training. being disciplined and committed with it. >> what's your main sport? my main . main. >> my main sport is a 100 metre sprint, and again , it's kind of sprint, and again, it's kind of like a paradox because tunnel vision is perfect for the 100m because it's obviously just straight down the middle. exactly. so that became quickly my favourite sport and i excelled and, you know, subsequently getting selected to represent great britain in a junior paralympics, which is where my career started. and, you know, it's taken me all around the world. and that then obviously took me into apprenticeships, entrepreneurialism as well . entrepreneurialism as well. >> so you were on the apprentice. how did you get that particular role? what happened there? >> yeah. so i've always advocated for disabilities, whether it's obviously through sport or, you know, through accessibility in the education system. and one of the things i realised was lacking was in the world of business, i realised that there was a lot of stigma and negative perceptions towards disabled people in business, you know, can he do it? he's blind, you know, can he fill in paperwork? can he do his taxes? can he handle money and all these kind of, you know, questions that i wanted to kind

of, you know, bust a myth and say, well, you know, with the olympics, we've now got the paralympics and, you know, in other sectors of society, we've got adjustments in place for disabled people. there doesn't seem to be that much in the way of business, and especially with role models as well. i didn't really see any significant disabled role models, in business. so that was kind of like my motivating factor to, to, to, to open that up. and what better way to do that then to go on? you know, the biggest business show in the country to hold my, you know, white cane to and show that a visually impaired person can be in the boardroom and how was it for you? it was absolutely intense . you? it was absolutely intense. it was more gruelling than i expected. you know, just the selection process alone was, you know, intense. i say it's harder than my training, in sport, you know, you know, dealing with different egos and trying to prove yourself and, you know, push yourself forward. it was very, very hard and a process. you know, i really loved it. i went in there, you know, with one goal and it was to represent disabilities, you know, and i think in my own way, i kind of won by, by doing that. >> yeah. you did really well.

where did you come in? the apprentice. i was fired, was it third or fourth? i can't remember now. it's been a few years. yeah, yeah, but did some did you get good things from it, though? >> because a lot of people don't necessarily win it. but then from it, a lot of things evolve. >> absolutely. yeah. so as i say, raising awareness for visually impaired and, you know, disabilities as a whole in the business world, but also having that exposure to push my own business forward as well , you business forward as well, you know, going into schools and doing public speaking and, you know , raising the positive, know, raising the positive, effects of sport to young people to tackle things like obesity and mental health. so you know, it's really, really helped me with that aspect of things. >> and what about you married. have you got children? no, i'm so nosy . so nosy. >> you never know. it's a great question. no i am, i do have a partner, we were engaged and i had my first child, tallulah , had my first child, tallulah, who's one now. and that's been a really incredible journey currently, because that's another aspect i never thought

about that. my disability would play about that. my disability would play a part in, you know, being a visually impaired parent, you know, like, how do you feed the baby? how do you change the baby? how do you change the baby? how do you, you know, do baby? how do you, you know, do baby things when you can't see? so that was a really interesting challenge. so that was that's another part of my story where i document that on social media. what what does it look like to be a visually impaired parent, and is your condition is it something that's hereditary? so can you pass it on or is it just something that randomly you ended up having. yeah. >> so what the doctor told me was it's inherited. it's from your parents. but what has to happenis your parents. but what has to happen is both parents has to carry the gene or an aspect of the gene for it to be a match. so i was unlucky in that sense, but my partner doesn't carry the gene. therefore, yeah, our children won't carry it. >> and your parents have they ever had experience of this condition within their own family ? family? >> they haven't. personally, no. but as it turns out, they both carry it. >> but yeah, neither of them. yeah. that's. oh but but so. so how long do you think. i mean i've got to ask the question a lot of people will be looking

and saying, you know, your sight is getting . can they tell you is getting. can they tell you how long they think you will have in terms of vision or , or have in terms of vision or, or have in terms of vision or, or have they got anything that you said you did some gene therapy? are there any other treatments that may well be able to help you? yeah, absolutely. >> i think they usually say, you know, between the age of 30 to 45. so middle ages kind of thing, but there are things you can do to mitigate it. so lifestyle jul reducing inflammation. acupuncture was one i tried and that really, really helped stimulate the nerve system . and, you know, get nerve system. and, you know, get some fresh blood to the eyes to help it. yeah. to help it sort of stay fresh, but yeah , of stay fresh, but yeah, definitely some lifestyle changes for me, dietary especially. yeah. >> do you know what i sincerely hope they come up with something, but you never know. they they're doing amazing things. people who couldn't hear can hear. people who can't see are being able to see. now so i don't think it's long. and i really do hope they find a solution for you. but i must say, you've done some incredible things. well done you. what's your next challenge ? your next challenge? >> my next challenge is to, get

back into sport . >> my next challenge is to, get back into sport. i'd like to kind of finish what i started. so i'm looking to , hopefully, so i'm looking to, hopefully, fingers crossed, represent great britain in the la paralympic games, to become a better obviously father and, you know, do the best i can. there and to carry on raising awareness for not just you know, my visual impairment, but disabilities as a whole. as i say in business, in society as a whole. and to raise the awareness for sport as well with young people. i think that's one of the things we're going to need, you know, in schools to to, teach them what their bodies are capable of and what the positive , positive what the positive, positive outcomes will be in on, in their body and their mind and their spirit if they integrate sport into their life, if people want to follow you, follow your journey. >> you said you're posting things on social media. where do they need to go? where can they find you? >> so on tiktok i'm blind dad uk and i'm on twitter i'm at kingswell, gb, waleses and solomon. >> thank you so much forjoining me. really good to talk to you. congratulations on all your achievements. so far. i'm sure we'll be hearing a lot more from

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good afternoon. it's just coming up to 21 minutes after 5:00. this is gb news. if you're just tuned in. where have you been? no. welcome. i'm nana akua we are britain's election channel, and we're live on tv , online and and we're live on tv, online and on digital radio. and it's time now for the great british debate. this hour i'm asking should people who can afford private healthcare stop using the nhs this comes from the labour warned that our national health service is leaving increasing numbers of patients , increasing numbers of patients, patients being forced to choose between waiting longer in pain or paying to go private in what they brand . as a tory two tier they brand. as a tory two tier health care system with waiting lists lists reaching record levels. so for the great british debate this year , i'm asking debate this year, i'm asking should people who can afford private health care pay for it? i'm joined now by political commentator peter spence , nhs gp commentator peter spence, nhs gp doctor david lloyd and political commentator stephen carlton—woods and nhs doctor, doctor bhasha mukherjee . i hope doctor bhasha mukherjee. i hope i've said that right. all right.

peter spencer, political commentator. surely people keir starmer said that he would absolutely use the nhs, but isn't he just clogging up the waiting lists ? waiting lists? >> i mean, first off, i would say in answer to your question that nye bevan, if he could hear this conversation, would be cutting in his grave. when you think that the i the idea was free for free for everyone at the point of delivery, well , the point of delivery, well, there's such a huge problem. >> now about that point of delivery . it becomes very, very delivery. it becomes very, very elusive indeed . elusive indeed. >> although peter, at the time he said it, the population was a lot smaller per per capita, wasn't it? so he said it in a time when, you know, it was a lot smaller, there were, you know, so yes, i understand all that. >> of course. i'm just making sort of the general point. >> but when it comes to the specific . specific. >> keir starmer has said no, he would not use private , would not use private, treatment, partly because of the fact that you know, his mum was in the end working in the nhs

and so on. >> but , his and so on. >> but, his shadow health secretary, wes streeting, says yes, he would use it if he, if he needed to. >> and , and it's a question >> and, and it's a question really of whether you're actually shortening nhs queues by going privately or indeed jumping them. and it is it is a very balanced and a very nuanced argument. >> i mean, frankly, if i needed a treatment, didn't seem to be able to get it in the nhs, i would go for it. but looking slightly further ahead at the prospects for the nhs, it's all it's what is needed clearly, is root and branch reform and shedloads of money. now the money thing is , or perhaps money thing is, or perhaps saving money because there's a lot of hi , there's lots of lot of hi, there's lots of management at the top there. >> net zero managers and all that, which i'm sure we could quite easily dispatch off. well, listen, peter, i'm going to move on to doctor david lloyd, but i will come back to you. doctor david lloyd. should people who can afford to pay for private health cover sort of get off the waiting list and, get on with their treatment and let somebody

else take their place? >> golly, it's such a difficult question you've asked. i either know too little about this problem or too much. >> what i can say is that last yean >> what i can say is that last year, the nhs spent £15 billion on private health care and the 7 million people who use private health care spent about 11 billion. so the nhs is actually the largest provider of purchaser of private health care i >> -- >> and your previous speaker mentioned nye bevan. >> and famously he also said that he stuffed the consultants mouths with gold to enable the nhs to start . and so nhs nhs to start. and so nhs consultants have always been able to work in the private sector since the very start . and sector since the very start. and then what barbara castle did then what barbara castle did then in the 70s, that she shut down the private wings of hospitals where you could get private treatment in your local hospital, and that money would be fed back into the nhs. and that's what kick started this enormous, private market that

we've got at the moment, which is mainly being taken over by the big players in america. so the big players in america. so the money, that's the profits from private health care at the moment are leaving this country. and going straight back to the usa. so i would argue for opening up private wings in nhs hospitals, and that money can be fed back into the nhs, and we would stop the, the price gouging that's going on at the moment in the private health care sector , who've put their care sector, who've put their pnces care sector, who've put their prices up enormously because of covid and the demand. so the system doesn't work at the moment, but perhaps we could make it better with a private system but involve it with the nhs. >> it begs the question as to why? because i remember when they used to have private rooms within the nhs hospitals , it within the nhs hospitals, it wasn't that long ago and suddenly they weren't doing that . and that begs the question as to it seems that a lot of people will take the nhs, but they could actually pay for it, so perhaps they should, doctor bhasha mukherjee , you know, bhasha mukherjee, you know, we're all talking about the money aspects and we're not.

>> remember what it is like for the patients at the moment. and i see patients all the time. and as a gp training myself, it i see patients all the time. and as a gp training myself , it is as a gp training myself, it is so sad for me to have to tell them that they have to wait 18 months for to see a specialist , months for to see a specialist, and actually it's heartbreaking to be in the position of the patients having to choose when they're already paying their taxes , and yet they have to taxes, and yet they have to wait. and when they are finally being seen, they're not very happy with the treatment they're getting in the nhs. happy with the treatment they're getting in the nhs . a lot of getting in the nhs. a lot of them only are getting telephone appointments, cardiology appointments, cardiology appointments are being done over the telephone, and they're not even setting their eyes on the patients and making decisions and recommendations based on this. so it could be argued that the nhs is not what it used to be anymore. and actually sometimes the patients just want a bit of reassurance from someone and that they might not get that for months and months and months . i actually do see and months. i actually do see patients who, a lot of them who are choosing to go abroad to get their treatments done, maybe they're from originally from a

different country, and it's much cheaper to access private healthcare in those countries. and they are it's much it's much cheaper to travel there, get their treatment , come back and their treatment, come back and essentially free up for space nhs users. so i think actually , nhs users. so i think actually, you know, my role as a gp is to signpost the patients and tell them the real truth, manage their expectations , and i'm their expectations, and i'm having to tell them the bit of truth at the moment that they'll be waiting a long time. have they considered private? have they considered private? have they considered private? have they considered looking into opfions they considered looking into options abroad if their price point is not being , you know, point is not being, you know, achievable locally? >> yeah, yeah . stephen >> yeah, yeah. stephen carlton—woods keir starmer said that he wouldn't use private health care. do you think he should, though? soon as he can clearly afford to pay to go private. he's got he's definitely not short of a bubble to only help to clear the backlog by doing that. >> well, i don't believe anybody said that. >> actually i didn't either. >> actually i didn't either. >> no, no, i mean anyone in the right mind. if you can afford it and you need it or you need to

help a member of family, you would do whatever it takes to get them that treatment. >> so to say that he wouldn't pay >> so to say that he wouldn't pay for them to have life saving treatment, i don't believe it really ? really? >> you don't believe him? yeah, i struggle to believe it as well. but he doubled down on it and he's gone and repeated it again , so do you think then again, so do you think then ultimately , though, if people ultimately, though, if people can afford it, steven, they should really pay for it because it would probably help. >> no, i think that's the wrong question. >> really? oh, really? >> really? oh, really? >> what is the question? what should i be asking this? >> well, i think the nhs now is not fit for purpose . and not fit for purpose. and everyone on this panel here has, has highlighted different reasons why it's not fit for purpose. it needs to be overhauled . overhauled. >> and now the conservative government are terrified of overhauling it because it's they get accused of, of privatising it. but when labour do it, it's called outsourcing. >> and that sort of accepted. but people need to get together, stop playing political football with it. and really sort out the nhs and make it, an accessible

service for everyone. and if people can't afford to go privately , that's another issue completely. >> well, i didn't want to ask that question, though, steve. that's why i didn't ask it. you see, i could have asked that question, but i chose not to because i think there's a consensus of opinion that it needs reform. i think we all, all of us would agree that it needs reform. so there's no point asking that question because we all know it. so i asked, but but but what about okay, so there are the netherlands. i think they have a sort of like a i think it was nigel farage who mentioned the netherlands, the different structure that they have where you can pay and then you get a rebate in your taxes, i think. does that not sound like, a good idea , i'll go to you, peter idea, i'll go to you, peter spencen idea, i'll go to you, peter spencer, do i not sound like a goodidea spencer, do i not sound like a good idea to you ? two tier good idea to you? two tier systems? nothing wrong with that. >> it's a potential runner. and when i talked about reform earlier , i meant right across earlier, i meant right across the entire spectrum. and i knew that, back in the day, tony blair also . so, deliberately, as

blair also. so, deliberately, as you use the word outsource, he deliberately brought in the private sector to , ease pressure private sector to, ease pressure on the nhs. and indeed, sir keir starmer, if he becomes the, the next prime minister is likely to do the same. although i do have to come back to it. what it also needsis to come back to it. what it also needs is shedloads of money. >> it was no no no no no, no more money. listen briefly. you got 10s. i'm going to have to end it there in a minute. >> there is no more money. that is the problem. >> they don't need any more money. i can't, i don't think i can hear this any more. they get billions more money they got. listen, they're spending it badly. if i give you a load of money and you're bad at spending it, you'll spend it. it's almost like an addict given money. and we'll just go and buy anything, anything at ridiculous prices. so i. but that's another question. that'll be a question i will be asking another time. but briefly then, so do you think that people peter spencer yes or no? should people, if they can afford to go private, pay they can afford to go private, pay for it? yeah of course. yeah. doctor david lloyd, should they pay for it ? they pay for it? >> only if it's provided by the

nhs. >> okay . stephen carlton—woods, >> okay. stephen carlton—woods, yeah. if they got a rebate off the national insurance contribution, i would agree with that. >> and doctor bhasha mukherjee, i think the nhs should be. >> there should be a small charge for that as well, because we're in this problem because of the misuse of the nhs. >> or perhaps their misuse of the money. i think a lot of it, but that's just my view. what are yours. thank you so much to all of you for joining me are yours. thank you so much to all of you forjoining me and all of you for joining me and your views. this is gb news. we're live on tv, online and on digital radio. still to come, we will continue with the great british debate this hour. and i'm asking, should people who can afford private health care pay can afford private health care pay for it? stop using the nhs for goodness sake. you'll hear the thoughts of my panel. bill rammell and lizzie cundy. but first, let's get your latest news with ray addison . news with ray addison. >> right. 531 our top stories. the princess of wales has resumed some public duties as she continues her cancer treatment. crowds cheered as

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first time. the party's leader, nigel farage, has suggested that he can now be the voice of opposition to labour. elsewhere on that campaign trail, labour is promising 40,000 extra nhs appointments a week. sir keir starmer's claiming that waiting lists could rise to 10 million if the tory party remains in power . however, experts at the power. however, experts at the institute for fiscal studies say the claim is highly unlikely. the tories have also dismissed it as scaremongering , and surrey it as scaremongering, and surrey police officers are being criticised for their actions following an incident in west london and a warning that the video that we're about to show you contains images of an injured animal. video has emerged of a police car ramming a cow, which was on the loose in feltham. the vehicle hits the animal once before knocking it to the ground a second time. in a statement, surrey police acknowledged that the incident has caused distress and said the matter has been referred to the

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good afternoon. if you've just tuned in. where have you been ? tuned in. where have you been? 37 minutes after 5:00. i'm nana akua. this is a gb news. we are britain's election channel. don't forget as well, you can stream the show live on youtube or download the gb news app, but it's or download the gb news app, but wsfime or download the gb news app, but it's time now for the great british debate. and i'm asking, should people who can afford private health care pay, and should they stop using the nhs ? should they stop using the nhs? this comes as labour warn that our national health service is leaving increasing numbers of patients being forced to choose between waiting longer in pain, or paying to go private in what they brand as a tory two tier health care system with waiting lists at record levels. so that's why i'm asking you that question. joining me now to discuss bill rammell and also lizzie cundy . bill rammell. lizzie cundy. bill rammell. should they pay? >> no, they shouldn't be forced to pay. no, not forced to pay. >> but if you can afford it, why shouldn't you ? shouldn't you? >> well, well, because one of the founding principles of the nhs is everybody's got a stake in it. and i think that's an important virtue. but undoubtedly , you know, the nhs undoubtedly, you know, the nhs has been brought low by the tory

party. just compare when we left office in 2010, maximum wait times 18 weeks at 18 months. today to recover from that you need investment and reform. and there's a whole series of things that involves using the private sector to cut waiting lists. it involves reforming some of the stuff i was interested, listening to the debate and a gp advocating charging to go to your gp. we actually need reform of the gp system. you know, these are private businesses who deliver their services for the nhs and their people because of the current nhs contract work, monday to friday 9 to 5 on over £100,000 a year. i don't know many professions where you've got, frankly , such an easy load, got, frankly, such an easy load, an easy load. >> he's called it an easy load. did you hear that, bill rammell says fill nhs. he's blaming the conservatives >> no, i'll bill the nhs is clearly not delivering on every level and we have. let's deal with some facts. 181.7 billion

has been put in. there is 120,000 actual posts that are unfulfilled because they've got terrible recruitment. the waiting lists at 7.6 million, net migration hasn't helped with 685,000. but you know, we've got the illegals as well. the whole system is a shambolic mess and you're not allowed to criticise it because people look at it as some sacred cow. the nhs should be a service and it's no longer working and providing bill, and that's the truth. and i have to say, i do agree with nigel about that. given the tax incentives, i think that's a way of going forward and for your leader to say, which i think is a total lie in that debate, that one of his family was, you know, poorly and needed it. he wouldn't take them to private. he would wait for the nhs. that is a lie. bill and no one would listen. he's a multi—million there. >> but lizzie. sorry, lizzie. he has doubled down on it. so he's

saying that he he wouldn't actually use the nhs. why he doesn't need to lie. so are you take him on face value for what he said. bill ryan o'neal u—turns on everything. >> and if you have the money to go and use private, then you say you give up that place and give it to someone who actually does need it. >> want everyone to have a stake in the nhs. that's why it's one of its virtues, that we're all in it together. but i don't think here. but it's all the money is. >> let bill finish, please . >> let bill finish, please. >> let bill finish, please. >> i disagree with him. you know, if i or a member of my family needed it and i can afford to pay for it, which i can then i would in certain circumstances. but, lizzie, you can make the nhs work. i said earlier when we left office, maximum wait times of 18 weeks and the highest satisfaction levels that the nhs had ever had. >> but didn't tony blair bring in this pfi >> but didn't tony blair bring in this pf! and why? a lot of the hospitals are in debt now because of the level of privatisation that tony blair brought in the nhs that gave us 100 hospital building programme that delivered. yeah, but it put a lot of those hospitals in

debt, so they ended up owing these, these private finance. >> depends how you look at it. the pfi programme got better and more efficient as we went on. well, that went along . well, that went along. >> but one of the reasons why a lot of these hospitals were in debtis lot of these hospitals were in debt is because of that. so it's all very well saying that you did that. you know, that tony blair has a lot to answer for. >> he did a lot to answer. >> he did a lot to answer. >> and also, there were a lot of crumbling hospitals, which he ignored as he did in the prisons and schools. >> that's complete claptrap. with respect , 100 new hospitals with respect, 100 new hospitals were built under the last labour government. we've had 3 or 4 under this tory government, a mythical under the pfi finance scheme, which meant that a lot of them ended up being slightly bankrupt. >> let's be honest. >> let's be honest. >> no, they're not slightly bankrupt. they're in debt, heavily in debt. but you need investment. and i think i disagree with you. nana you do need to put more money in. if you look at the whole of the 14 years of the tory party, they've you need to spend about 3.5% ahead of inflation each year to deliver for the nhs. over the deliver for the n hs. over the course deliver for the nhs. over the course of the 14 years, the tories have not been doing that. and that's why, the way you have

to admit , how and that's why, the way you have to admit, how can how can a diversity manager in the nhs be paid 100,000, much more than any nurse? >> how is that fair? you cannot say that the nhs is fair and working , right? working, right? >> well, no it's not well. let's see. well, this show is no government . well, this has government. well, this has nothing without you and your views. let's welcome our great british voices. this is their opportunity to be on the show. tell us what they think about the topics we're discussing. right. let's go to miranda richardson. not the miranda richardson, but our miranda richardson. miranda what do you think? is it time, you know, should people who can afford to pay should people who can afford to pay and do you believe sir keir starmer what he said he wouldn't if it was the only option or the last thing or whatever it was. you don't believe him ? you don't believe him? >> that's absolute claptrap. thatis >> that's absolute claptrap. that is absolute claptrap , i that is absolute claptrap, i think first of all, we need to define like who ? who are those define like who? who are those that could afford it? >> i, i know if i was in a better financial situation, i would have private healthcare, because of speed , because because of speed, because because of speed, because because of speed, because because of access. >> however , i've had great >> however, i've had great service through the nhs as well. i think . let's not forget, we're

i think. let's not forget, we're on this constant hamster wheel of them misusing our money and that's it that you know, there is there's no other ifs or buts. thatis is there's no other ifs or buts. that is what it is. is there's no other ifs or buts. that is what it is . all right. that is what it is. all right. and actually, i think those that do have private healthcare do use it. >> yeah. all right. let's go to, who's that? is that david barber in watford? i know who you are, david. what do you think? hello. >> hi, nana. love the hair, by the way. thank you, very simply, this. we've had private health cover since before the nhs was started. it's always been there, and people have always had the choice . if they could afford it choice. if they could afford it to go private. it's something they're trying to hang on everybody to make this, this wonderful, sacred ideology of the nhs invincible . it's badly the nhs invincible. it's badly run, it's mismanaged. >> on the financial side, they go to the highest price. >> we saw this with ppe. they went on the highest price. it didn't go for the most effective. we need to have . what effective. we need to have. what about elective surgeries where you want to have cosmetic surgeries . don't have those on

surgeries. don't have those on the nhs go privately? exactly. it's not. >> thank you for that. let's go to julie, julie, julie ford in bedford. >> yeah, absolutely . >> yeah, absolutely. >> yeah, absolutely. >> i think if people can afford private health care why not use it , i'm sure private health care why not use it, i'm sure that there are people out there that don't have that privilege, but at the end of the day, i think it just comes back to the same thing, isn't it? the nhs isn't using the money properly. it's not being managed correctly . but the money properly. it's not being managed correctly. but i think from a practical perspective, the private side is great for routine appointments and procedures . but in an and procedures. but in an emergency, when you need to dial 999, the nhs is always going to be well, maybe that's that's the deal then maybe that's the deal. >> the people who should afford should, should pay. and obviously that everyone's entitled to brian, doug and finally to you. 30s brian nana. >> how's it going, yeah . what >> how's it going, yeah. what i think is, yeah, by and large, i do agree with you, and but i think it should be more rather than compelling. >> those who can afford it, i think they should be invited to

pay think they should be invited to pay for the pay for that private, service . private, service. >> at the end of the day, they are paying their taxes. >> they're entitled to what the nhs provides. >> but i think in terms of easing the burden , in terms of easing the burden, in terms of just those people who are queuing all the time, i think that those who can afford it should be invited to. >> briefly and briefly, i'm running out of time. brian, do you believe keir starmer, when he said that he wouldn't do wouldn't pay for it? do you believe him, yes or no ? yes or no? >> entitled to say that he's entitled to say that. >> no . what is it, people? yes >> no. what is it, people? yes or no ? or no? >> no, no. if it happened, i think he would. >> oh, no. oh, for goodness . >> oh, no. oh, for goodness. right. goodbye, brian. goodbye. thank you. i think that was enough. thank you. i think that was enough . julie for david bar. enough. julie for david bar. miranda richardson, thank you so much for your thoughts. right so coming up, my quick quiz, i'll test my next. it's

right now it's time for clickbait and harvey price has been given some bad news by his mum. katie. have a listen. >> when we go on holiday. half yeah, we're only going to go on an easyjet flight. oh, mom, what's wrong with that? no but what's wrong with that? no but what do you want to go on then? i like the bloody first class. everyone. but you can't get first class. oh, mum. what i need that. what do you need? tell me. what do you mean? first class? mum? why because i like the flat beds and everything. i think you're very high demanding price. oh shut up ! i love it. price. oh shut up! i love it. >> that's great. that clip caught my eye. i had to play it. i know i have el—sisi with him. they love that , don't you? they love that, don't you? >> just lovely. i have to say, harvey is so adorable . harvey is so adorable. >> i agree with everything he says. >> i love that i love that, right? i thought i'd play that, but right now though, let's do it. it's time for my quick fire

quiz, the part of the show where i test my panel on some of the other stories hitting the headunes other stories hitting the headlines right now. joining me broadcast from columnist lizzie cundy. your buzzer please, lizzie. and also former labour mp bill rammell. your buzzer please i please play along at home. all right. question one what was the score between germany and scotland? i was finished i can't disqualify you both but let that be a lesson , both but let that be a lesson, germany and scotland last night, bill rammell 5151. it was five one. it was five one. >> look, he knows his football. bill what? could you swap spurs. oh, no. >> no, he doesn't know his football. right. question two. right who will england be playing at the euros tomorrow evening lizzie cundy serbia serbia. serbia. let's see. the answer is yes it is serbia. very good. it's one all. this is a football quiz . they love it, football quiz. they love it, don't they? question three. at which world renowned pop star began the uk leg of their tour? oh no no no, we're both disqualified this week. was it a billy eilish, b taylor swift or c beyonce? bill rammell is the big arm action darling. it takes

you too long to get to the buzzer. taylor swift , lizzie buzzer. taylor swift, lizzie campbell, taylor swift you should know if you go like that, press the buzzer. i like to be dramatic in everything he does. i do a little touch, but she goes, it was taylor swift. >> but i don't think i've ever heard one of her songs. but there you go. >> i'll sing it for you and worry about it. you're not missing much. right. well, that's two one to you, bill. question four. what did scientists discover on top of a mars volcano this week was a trees b metal or c frost, lizzie cundy i'm going for c c frost. >> bill rammell i'm going for c as well. >> don't take the same one just in case she's wrong. she's guessing right. >> well, i think it was. >> well, i think it was. >> yes, i'm guessing i have to take your first answer. the answer is it was frost. okay, david. right. question five. but just say something different, you know, just spread the odds a bit. right? question five. and finally , which television finally, which television channel celebrated its third birthday this week? bill rammell

gb news lizzie cundy i was going to say gb news you didn't know, did you? it's gb news happy birthday to us. happy birthday to us. happy birthday to gb news. happy birthday to us. yes. they said we give you six months, three years later and on many occasions beating sky news. so there you have it. we are still here. well, on today's show, i've been asking our reform uk , the new opposition reform uk, the new opposition party. well, to according our twitter poll, according to our twitter, 84% of you. there you go. yes. they say yes, whilst 15% that doesn't add up to 100. so we should look at that . 16% so we should look at that. 16% of you say no, let's have another question tonight. a force to be reckoned with. bill. indeed >> and i said it to you in the commercial break, if the tory party embrace reform, they will be out of power for generation. >> do you think you can't win without being in the centre ground and reformer on the margins ? margins? >> and i think the tory party

will rue it if they allow farage into their party, you think? >> i don't think they're totally different parties. they have totally different views. there is nothing. there's a cigarette paper between labour and the tories, i'm afraid. >> and, reform are a force to be reckoned with. bill. just you wait till the fourth, the 5th of july. i'll give you a call. >> i'll give you a bet. july. i'll give you a call. >> i'll give you a bet . they'll >> i'll give you a bet. they'll not get more than one seat. >> never bet more than you can afford to lose. >> exactly. >> exactly. >> just so i think i can afford it . it. >> you think we'll see, bill, right. >> well, listen, i've got to say a huge thank you to my panel, joining me, of course, broadcaster and columnist lizzie cundy. broadcaster and columnist lizzie cundy . lizzie cundy, go over there. >> lizzie cundy and also former labour mp bill rammell. >> thank you. thank you very much to you, bill, and a huge thank you to you at home for your company. coming up next. it is a saturday five my classes tomorrow. jonathan lewis emma woolf and also charlotte griffins and danny kelly. saturday five is next. enjoy so we want . we want. >> looks like things are heating

up. boxt boilers. >> sponsors of weather on gb news news. >> hello and welcome to your gb news weather update brought to you by the met office. well, it's been an unsettled weekend . it's been an unsettled weekend. plenty of rain and showers, even some thunder at times in the north. and it's all because of this area of low pressure which we currently have swirling across the uk, which is sticking with us through sunday and also saturday. now through into the evening, we'll continue to see plenty of scattered showers. these heavy and thundery at times across the north and southern parts of scotland, but moving through fairly quickly across the south, where we have some fairly brisk winds and some longer outbreaks of rain , will longer outbreaks of rain, will start to move their way into northern parts of scotland too , northern parts of scotland too, and plenty of cloud overnight, which means it's going to be a fairly mild night on offer now through into the second part of the weekend. we will continue to see those unsettled conditions, those outbreaks of rain will

slowly sweep their way southwards across parts of scotland, and these could be a little bit heavy at times, particularly as it pushes up over hills and there is still a chance we could see some heavy showers move their way into northern ireland and northwestern parts of england. to those brisk winds will generally ease away across southern parts of the uk, which means those showers are going to be fairly slow moving. but generally through the course of sunday, we should see a few more of those sunnier spells in between those showers in the south, and it will feel a little bit warmer here too. but across the northwest, those blustery winds will continue as that rain sweeps its way southwards, but it should generally break up into the afternoon. we should see a few more of those sunnier spells, which means it's going to be a little bit warmer here on sunday. highs of 21, perhaps even 22, in those prolonged penods even 22, in those prolonged periods across the southeast now through into the afternoon, then still plenty of showers across the north as well. these merging at times to bring those longer spells of rain. still a little bit heavy too, but it is generally going to be turning dner generally going to be turning drier across the south. now for the outlook . it is still a

the outlook. it is still a little bit unsettled. some rain and showers at times, but from wednesday onwards things generally a little bit drier. but temperatures remaining around average. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers sponsors of weather

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