doctor renee hoenderkamp, alex armstrong and benjamin butterworth tonight on the show. >> finally , some good news. >> finally, some good news. catherine, princess of wales, returns . returns. >> we are a nation of selfish people producing selfish children. >> multiculturalism, madness. it's all on our streets. during this general election. >> our votes at 16 are going to backfire for keir starmer and ignore farage and his fruitcakes. britain needs more

immigrants. >> it's 6 pm. and this is the saturday five. a very warm welcome along to the saturday five. this is the only televised debate show which doesn't feature nigel farage campaigning, of course, to be the future leader of the conservative and unionist party. angela rayner moaning about 14 years of tory rule and viewers messaging in about penny morton's ever expanding hair in stead, we bring you albie amankona campaigning to be the future leader of the conservative party. benjamin butterworth moaning about 14 years of tory rule and viewers messaging in about alex armstrong's ever expanding hair. people have shapps in order is, of course, the gp and medical writer doctor renee. now, folks, you know the drill . by now we you know the drill. by now we each briefly outline a topic which is grabbed us at our attention this week, and then

everyone piles in and it goes downhill faster than scotland's chances at euro 2024. and of course we want to know your views as well. i'm very sorry to any scots that i've just upset. send your views and post your comments by visiting gbnews.com/yoursay but folks, before we start tearing each other apart, it's time for your saturday night news with ray addison . addison. >> cheers, darren. our latest stories. the princess of wales has resumed some public duties as she continues her cancer treatment. crowds cheered as princess catherine appeared with the king and other members of the king and other members of the royal family on the balcony of buckingham palace, a 41 gun salute and an raf fly—past marked his majesty's official birthday following the trooping the colour parade. post office campaigner sir alan bates, former prime minister gordon brown and actress imelda staunton are among those recognised in the king's birthday honours list. the

former subpostmaster says his newly awarded knighthood is recognition of the sheer hell that hundreds of post office workers went through. leader of the lib dems, sir ed davey has praised his efforts to expose the horizon it scandal. >> i want to congratulate adam bates. this is thoroughly deserved and he said it's not just for him but on behalf of all subpostmasters. and that's really good news. he fought the system sometimes single handedly. he fought it bravely and he won. and that's all to his credit. and i think we need now to get the compensation. he's talked about. >> meanwhile, the lib dem leader has been tackling a race track and a trampoline as well on the election campaign trail, we have lift—off the bounce in the polls coming . campaigning in surrey, coming. campaigning in surrey, he said he hopes blue wall gains will keep his party in the running for the opposition . sir running for the opposition. sir ed is pledging to scrap elected police and crime commissioners to boost frontline policing . the

to boost frontline policing. the prime minister says he'll stay on as an mp, even if the tory party loses the general election. rishi sunak said he'll fight to the last day as he responded to a question about a yougov poll which shows that reform uk has overtaken the tories for the first time. the party's leader , nigel farage, party's leader, nigel farage, has suggested he can be the voice of opposition to labour. but veterans minister johnny mercer told us a vote for reform is a vote for a labour government . government. >> do you want to pay more in tax, or do you want to vote for a party that has tax reduction in its dna to try and improve pubuc in its dna to try and improve public services and, and, you know, fight these challenges around migration and the economy that we know are ongoing or are you going to write a blank cheque to a massive majority for keir starmer to have unchecked power, dealing with, yet again, a guy who believes in absolutely nothing at all and will say anything to gain power elsewhere on that campaign trail, labour is promising 40,000 extra nhs appointments a week , but experts appointments a week, but experts are questioning the funding

details . details. >> sir keir starmer was asked if the plans would leave staff unable to cope if the list was to increase at the same rate as it's increased since rishi sunak has been prime minister >> we would get if we had more, five more years of the tory to 10 million on that waiting list. that's why it's so important that this election is seen as a change election . the opportunity change election. the opportunity to turn the page on that usher in a labour government that is absolutely committed to rebuilding our country. >> the pm is among more than 90 western leaders at a ukraine peace conference in switzerland. they're hoping to put pressure on russia to end the war, saying any credible steps towards peace need moscow's participation. president putin has proposed a ceasefire, but only if kyiv withdraws its troops. president zelenskyy has described the condition as absurd . sorry. condition as absurd. sorry. police officers are being criticised for their actions following an incident in west london and a warning the footage

that we're about to show you contains images of an injured animal. a police car was seen ramming a cow which was on the loose in feltham. the vehicle hits the animal once before knocking it to the ground a second time. surrey police has acknowledged that the incident caused distress, and confirmed that the matter has been referred to the independent office for police conduct. the force says the cow suffered a large cut to its leg and is being seen by a vet. its owner has also been contacted . the has also been contacted. the home secretary, james cleverly, has called for a full and urgent explanation for the latest stories. sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen, or go to gbnews.com/alerts . back now to gbnews.com/alerts. back now to all five of them . all five of them. >> thanks, ray. it's saturday night and you with the saturday five. i'm darren grimes, and i can promise that you're in for a

very lively evening. let's crack on with tonight's first discussion, which reprobates going to kick things off.7 >> i'm going to be kicking things off tonight, darren. and it's good to be talking about some good news. it was glorious to see the return of catherine, princess of wales today at trooping the colour, and it just made me feel all warm and fuzzy inside and do you want to know why.7 it made me feel all warm and fuzzy inside? it's why? it made me feel all warm and fuzzy inside? it's because it's nice to see a story about cancer which doesn't involve which doesn't end up in someone who is seriously ill, or someone who is seriously ill, or someone who is seriously ill, or someone who is dying . cancer has who is dying. cancer has affected my family in the last 12 months time. i've had a very close family friend of mine die of cancer, and it's nice to see the princess of wales out today fulfilling her duty to this country and to her family. even though she's battling this awful disease. and i think it just gives all those people and all those families who have been impacted by cancer recently, in the recent past, or perhaps in

the recent past, or perhaps in the distant past, some hope and optimism in what can be really dark and trying for many people. doctor renee, you are, of course , doctor renee, you are, of course a , doctor renee, you are, of course , a doctor. i called you doctor renee there. you know as well as i do that about 460 people in britain die of cancer each day. the princess of wales out at trooping the colour today is going to give people hope, isn't it? >> absolutely. i mean, it really will give them hope. and i think the nice thing about catherine and what she's done this week is in her personal note that she wrote, she admitted that there were some days where she felt really good, but there were other days where she just felt like resting and staying in bed, and she didn't feel so good. and i think that was really real, because people who are suffering from cancer will know those days, so they're not just seeing it totally rosy. i think she's done a wonderful thing, and i think people will take hope from everything that's happened this week. and her appearance today. >> darren, do you were you at all worried that maybe she had stepped back into the royal dufies stepped back into the royal duties too quickly? >> i think there was certainly

pressure applied. >> you know, the tabloids and the fact that people were saying that there was some conspiracy when she was seen at the windsor garden show, wasn't it, that she was clocked out and they were saying, well, hang on, i don't think that was actually her. and they so all these rumours going around that it was a body double. i think there has definitely been pressure applied on her to appear. but also, of course, let's not forget that his majesty the king has cancer too. and i think there has been pressure applied there because the king has been doing some dufies the king has been doing some duties too, albeit on gp advice , duties too, albeit on gp advice, saying you know what he can and cannot do or what he's advised to not do. so i think there has certainly been pressure there, but i think she does fundamental feel an attachment to what took place today because of course she was made colonel of the guard, wasn't she ? so it is guard, wasn't she? so it is something that is profoundly important to her. and this she feels a deep sense of service . feels a deep sense of service. and i think that was evident

today. i just hope she's not overdoing it. you know, i hope she genuinely is feeling up to it. >> benjamin, what was your takeaway from today's events? >> well, i mean, i love trooping the colour. i saw the red arrows go over my house, which was incredibly exciting. around lunchtime, i thought we were under attack or something. where do you live, buckingham? do you live in buckingham palace? i live in buckingham palace? i live in buckingham palace? i live in west london, so it goes that way, but, you know, i think this will bring a lot of hope to people for the very reason that you set out that there will be an enormous number of people who are in a similar position to her at the moment with cancer. and to tell that story that they can still go out there and do things and feel joy and you can only imagine, i imagine as a gp, you might come across this, but hopefully it gave her a lot of, of hope in a moment like this, because it must be pretty lonely, pretty isolating. you know, someone who has, you know, an incredibly public life for the past, best part of 20 years, who now will have a very small life while she battles this condition, and so i was, you know, i was incredibly uplifted to see it this afternoon. >> it's quite powerful, isn't

it, alex, that we have the royal family being so open about their cancer diagnoses . it was only a cancer diagnoses. it was only a couple of generations ago that his majesty king george died of cancen his majesty king george died of cancer. but initially he didn't even know he had cancer because the doctors didn't tell him about it. whereas now we have two senior royals actually being pubuc two senior royals actually being public about their illnesses and really bringing the public along with them. it's quite powerful, don't you think? yeah, it is. >> and obviously remember the front pages after both of king charles's diagnosis and the princess of wales, and it spurred perhaps hundreds of thousands of people to go and get checked, which i think may have saved some lives. and i think actually the reports were that it did possibly save lives. so it's an extremely powerful message from such a private family. i think it signals this new modern royal family. it signals the changing of their approach. and i'm really pleased that kate's come out today. i think it's put to bed all those nasty trolls. and i know we saw some trolls just again, the other day, putting out these ridiculous statements about her picture in the woods where she had that really beautiful photo of her saying, oh, it's been

photoshopped again. so for her to come out today be seen well, being seen as well, being seen, happy with her children as well, i think is really, really set the tone and i'm so glad she looks stunning. >> she looks beautiful and she's so brave. but doctor renee, there's some statistics and data to show us actually cancer outcomes in this country are getting poorer in the 21st century, or at least the most recent part of the 21st century than before. why do you think that's happening ? that's happening? >> so i think it's a combination of things. i think it's lack of awareness because people have been locked up for three years under covid and lots of health messages just got lost in there. that actually should be at the forefront of people's minds. people were worried about coming forward. we're actually getting unhealthier as a nation because our food is mainly ultra processed now for lots of people's diets, which we know causes a causes obesity and causes a causes obesity and causes cancer. and i also think our wait times in the nhs are still below par. when you compare us to the rest of the world, and it's actually getting to it early, that is the best

treatment for cancer. so i think it's multifactorial. there are lots of things at play, but i do think we need to encourage people to take more responsibility for their health, come forward when they're worried, even if they think it's silly, it doesn't matter if it's silly, it doesn't matter if it's silly, we'll check it and then that will be the end of it. >> so it's come for which of their gps. >> all right. thank you very much for that. right. i'm going to abuse position of the chair and go next. zionist devil get out. not my words but labour's tan dhesi was hounded whilst canvassing outside of all places. a mosque in slough. so let's remind ourselves what that word actually means, right? what that word zionist means. this is simply someone who thinks that jews deserve their own home, right? but threats and intimidation against mps are only going to get worse. mark my words. have a look at this leaflet. >> this is a place of worship. we don't need devils like you. here, move me from here. get out, get out, get out! not not welcome. >> sign this zionist devil .

>> sign this zionist devil. >> sign this zionist devil. >> and then this nazar rempe. not exactly a go to gal for zionism, right? but she's been called a dirty, dirty zionist and paid for by friends of israel this week. that's the twisted state of anti—semitism on our streets. >> go on. i'll follow you around i >> -- >> not the area for you. >> not the area for you. >> well, that's not the area for you, love. >> you need to get out of here. >> you need to get out of here. >> speak for yourself. >> speak for yourself. >> no, man, no , no, no, i'm >> no, man, no, no, no, i'm going to speak for everyone out there. i'm going to follow you around, you dirty, dirty, dirty. >> i mean, listen, i'm not their biggest fans , right? i'm not biggest fans, right? i'm not going to vote for them myself. but, you know, we're facing a real problem here. religious sectarianism is crawling into british politics. and this election is its ugly debut . i election is its ugly debut. i think it's high time that politicians are honest with the public. multiculturalism is failing and we're seeing it after iphone video after iphone

video . it's time to call it out video. it's time to call it out for what it is, right? benjamin i mean, you must be upset to see this happening to labour party politicians as well. >> to anybody. yeah. i mean, i have to say, naz shah, who you just showed there has been through this many times before. so she previously was up against george galloway for that constituency, who is the pinnacle of abuse on these issues. but also before her time in politics, she was put into a forced marriage and forcefully sent to pakistan and her mother famously killed her father because they were the family was a victim of horrific abuse. so, you know, she in the videos, you see her sort of laughing at this guy because she's been through a lot worse than some idiot hounding her when she's door knocking. of course, then everyone online says, are you laughing at the people of gaza, which is, you know, such an ugly way to interpret it ? i don't way to interpret it? i don't know if it's religious sectarianism, though, because many of the people i mean, not the sikh man first, but now shah, for example, is a muslim . shah, for example, is a muslim. so it's not really a religious issue, but it's that they've taken a what i would consider a

slightly extreme view on the issue of gaza. >> but i think we have a religious in the sense of they're using zionist has been interchangeable for jew essentially. right. they're calling out jews and people associated with them are they not, i mean, they probably are , not, i mean, they probably are, but those people were i mean, many of them are muslims that were involved. so i don't think, you know, obviously i wasn't anti—semitic when it's aimed at our muslim women, but i think we have a problem with the way we think it's appropriate to speak to politicians. so tonight, rosie duffield, the kent labour candidate, she , said that she candidate, she, said that she won't do any hustings in the constituency because she fears abuse. and i think you're seeing lots of these examples . and lots of these examples. and there needs to be a reckoning that a democracy does not mean you can shout at people who put themselves forward for public office. but do you not think that you have stoked up that sentiment? >> because actually, rosie duffield, were she to appear on this show and speak about her views around sex and gender, you'd be telling her she's a bigot. >> yeah, and that's my right, because that's a democratic act. >> well, you just said we need

to speak nicer to politicians because that's quite different to shouting at someone in the street or at hustings. >> and she'd be entitled to say the same back if she might think it. but that's quite different to people that don't seem to know where the line is, who shout and abuse politicians. >> you know the hypocrisy of all of this, particularly from the labour group. and we've seen a lot of them online over the last few weeks when nigel farage was hit with that milkshake and then consequentially with the coffee cup and the rock, whatever it was, he he was laughed at by the left, the likes of owen jones calling it art. they are encouraging this behaviour so they're stoking the flames. inflammatory flames, that this is acceptable. it's acceptable to hound politicians at their home or on the street. it's acceptable to throw things at politicians. you don't like. this is demeaning to our democracy. it's taking the whole level of debate to a whole substandard level. i assume in that case, you condemn people like tommy robinson and the incidents that have happened, which you constantly celebrate online. like what? what do you think that celebrating online, utter thuggery like, oh, i've never celebrated that online. what are you talking about? >> in november of last year, when there was all sorts of scenes and you constantly defend

those people? no, no, i don't those people? no, no, i don't those people? no, no, i don't those people do much. >> politicians. yeah. i think you need to be more specific because i have never i've never condemned anyone who hits. well, some of those people were just out celebrating saint george's day. not all of them were were violent. >> those two things alex sees both and likes it. >> i think. no, no. absolutely not. i mean, look, i think it's defend himself. >> right. so he would argue that actually in november what mps did he harass and harm? no, i'm saying calling them dirty zionists . zionists. >> they are political figures who inflame tensions , who who inflame tensions, who constantly get into violence when they have their so—called gatherings, what they know they had, they had a gathering, but early july, they had a gathering on the street like alex on the right, who excused that behaviour . right, who excused that behaviour. no. and then complain. >> they cannot hang on. let me let me just defend myself, because they had a mass gathering in july and there was no outbreak of violence. there was no outbreak of violence at all. and i think look to sit there and say that i defend people that are violent is completely a massive mischaracterisation of my

politics. so i really take issue with that. benjamin and, and, and lastly, what i will say is this is that there's plenty of people in this country who are fed up with two tier policing, fed up with two tier policing, fed up with the failed multicultural state that we're trying to force onto people that want to go out and protest. and there's always going to be people who are violent. yes. and we should call those people out. and i always will. >> i'll be just before you come in. i just want to show this picture of ahmed yaqoob, who is standing in birmingham ladywood, and the mp benjamin butterworth is going to remind me of is called she's in the shadow cabinet. no, no, shadow cabinet, shabana mahmood. yes that's it. well done. i'll be. and this man is standing against ahmed yaqoob and he did stand for west midlands mayor and on his, leaflet, of course. and advertisements it said lend gaza your vote. and i just wonder, albie, if you think this is a sure sign of that, what i call religious sectarianism, entering british politics, i don't why is it religious sectarianism? >> because the guy is a muslim and is pro gaza. well, that's

religious sectarianism . religious sectarianism. >> and they're calling people dirty zionists on the street. >> but that that wasn't the same person. you were kind of conflating lots of different issues in order to kind of come up. is it not come up with this straw man of religious sectarianism when people when people have asked me this question about whether or not, people being political about their opinions on israel and gazais their opinions on israel and gaza is religious sectarianism, you only seem to call it religious sectarianism when it's the muslim side organising and doing things. and not that that's that's my issue with it. and if you're going to make that argument, if you're if you're going to make that argument, then would you also say that the opposite side is religious sectarianism? there's always been people that disagree about the issue of israel and palestine in this country. and why only now are you calling it religious sectarianism. it's just people. >> because i think when you look at the sort of things that are happening on the streets, you're seeing a lot of anti—semitism. i'm not seeing a lot of islamophobia coming from the other side. the israeli side, islamophobia. but not to the same degree. >> but it has happened. where is

there a voting bloc called like, for example, the christian vote? >> there are many christian groups within the christian vote as big as the muslim vote. look, the muslim vote, the aukus, the organisation, the muslim vote. >> i well , i organisation, the muslim vote. >> i well, i understand organisation, the muslim vote. >> i well , i understand because >> i well, i understand because i can't name one. >> i don't understand what the issue is with a group of muslims deciding they want to start a political group. there are literally how is that not? >> there are sectarianism, there are tying yourself. >> there are christian political groups, there are jewish political groups. there are muslim political groups. so you only call it religious sectarianism when it's a muslim political group. that is the issue that i call it religious sectarianism. >> when we have people on the streets calling for jihad and intifada. but you putting lots of different things at members. >> i discredit your argument. then you say something else. >> well, you didn't you're not making you're not making yourself a coherent point. as usual. >> you want to talk about the muslim vote. you want to talk about people talking about jihadis. you want to talk about people who are pro gaza. you're trying to make this point about religious sectarianism that i'm just not seeing. >> i just think that you had a

perfect opportunity to defend multiculturalism there, and you failed to do with multicultural ism because you're like a dog with a bone. >> you keep bringing it up. >> you keep bringing it up. >> yeah, people are allowed. >> yeah, people are allowed. >> people are allowed to be pro—palestine and people are allowed to be pro—israel. without people like you saying multiculturalism has failed. i don't say multiculturalism has failed because people are pro israel or pro gaza or because i disagree with them. you just come up with the same old argument regurgitating success story time. >> everyone at home will agree with you. no doubt it's been an overwhelming success story. suella braverman is wrong. i'll be suella braverman is wrong. he's right. yes. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> couldn't have put it better myself. >> well, there we are. still to come tonight. i'll be. we'll try a coherent argument when he answers our young people becoming more right wing and should kill kids. be becoming more right wing and should kill kids . be allowed to should kill kids. be allowed to use tablets. these ipad things at weddings. but next, politicians of all stripes can't wait to tell us how they're going to cut immigration. but one of us here tonight thinks it should be doing the opposite. i wonder, i wonder if you can

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well you're in for a treat with this one. i'll tell you that much. >> well, today suella braverman came out and said that the tories woes are because of levels of immigration. which begs the question oh, if only you'd had the chance to be home secretary twice. but is that really the case? well, lots of people are angry about immigration, so much so that it's not just nigel farage. it's also keir starmer and rishi sunak who are saying that they will cut the numbers to various extents. but is that the right thing for the country to do? because the reality is that we know sectors like hospitality, social care and lots of other care sectorjobs are struggling to get the staff to cope. if you go into many bars and restaurants in this country, they'll say they just can't get they'll say they just can't get the staff for their business to grow alongside so many other issues. so i think this is the one topic where politicians are being quite fundamentally dishonest. we need immigration for our economy and many small

and medium sized businesses to survive . and somebody should survive. and somebody should stand up and argue that. now. darren i can feel your view without yourself . without yourself. >> where are the foreign labour? that's coming through to cut your hair? >> i did actually go to a turkish barbers. >> so you don't go often enough? >> so you don't go often enough? >> yeah , not for two weeks. >> yeah, not for two weeks. >> yeah, not for two weeks. >> look, i think fundamentally i think you all take a on your side of the argument . side of the argument. >> benjamin. i think you take a very anti the british people view because i think you are unambitious for the british people in saying that actually, you know, oh well, the lazy brits won't do it. let's not bother trying to pay them more. let's rely on this injection. we constantly crave that businesses use as a crutch for low wages to get people over here. you know, my brother works in factory work, benjamin, and he competes with people who can undercut him, undercut him. you know,

he's not he's a toolmaker, not, and he is in and out of different or he was actually it's been pretty stable recently, but in and out of different factories, competing with people who can work for less for longer hours. now that to me is a sign of an immigration system that's in complete failure because you have provided basically you people always wax lyrical about how businesses and capitalism are undercutting people and how the rich in society need to pay more money. yet at the same time you say, oh well, let's continue to give them untrammelled access to give them untrammelled access to foreign people to come here and fill the jobs that you think british people don't deserve to be paid more in mistake to say that, because one of the factors of us having a more educated economy is that the number of people that want to do those jobs is fewer than it would have been. >> that's why immigrant labour is so useful to do it. but it's also the case that, you know, we've had significant at one point, anyway, significant rises in the wages of the lowest paid

dunng in the wages of the lowest paid during the around covid. and yet the numbers of people wanting to do those jobs didn't improve. and so you get a situation where anybody who set up a business, for example, a bar or even a care home, those kinds of businesses is struggling to make ends meet because they can't get the staff to fulfil the business. >> well, it truly is, because then they can't be bothered to pay then they can't be bothered to pay enough to do it. we are addicted to low. >> they can't make any money. >> they can't make any money. >> well then we have to look at the supply chain all the way to the supply chain all the way to the other end. you know, the sainsbury's of the world or the safe, you know, supermarkets, the tesco's, whoever have to pay the tesco's, whoever have to pay the providers a little bit more for their strawberries and milk. we are addicted to it and we had a chance in brexit to say right now you're going to have to lift your wages so british people can do it. but coupled with it, benjamin, you are right because we have convinced everybody since tony blair that they should go to university and get a degree, even if that's in, you know, dancing on my left leg for an hour, a day that they are now graduates and graduates are. >> well, i've got a first in that. >> just to be clear.

>> just to be clear. >> go on, show us, show us. but i do happen to agree with you, renee. but the issue with that is our british consumers, consumers willing to accept higher prices, because ultimately, if you pay people more, then you'll be charging people more for the products and services that we all buy. and that's the other side of this argument that we don't that we don't often talk about it. i happen to agree that we need less migration. we need to be paying less migration. we need to be paying british people more to do the jobs that need doing, but thatis the jobs that need doing, but that is also going to have a knock on economic effect on the goods and services that those people are providing. because if you're paying the staff more, you've got to charge more for the service. >> you haven't got to. because if you're tesco's making billions of profit, you can afford to pay the staff more without passing that on that holders won't be happy about that. >> the shareholders. that's not true because supermarkets have a very low profit margin. yeah, i hear this argument of scale that they make such good profits. >> that's fine. but this is this is a little bit less of their billion. >> but they would so easily go into negative profit margins. >> i supermarket this is a failure of globalism though.

we're talking like localism. this never used to happen when you would buy your groceries from the local store and have a little bit of community spirit, but it's because these big supermarket chains have eaten , supermarket chains have eaten, eaten our local areas alive, and therefore they're constantly expanding. well, this is why pubs are closing as well, right? and what you do with when you bnngin and what you do with when you bring in this unmasked, uncapped immigration, ian, is you lower the wages, we've lowered gdp so no one's better off working people are certainly not better off. you make it harder for people to get into jobs. and then what do you do? you slap on d and i on it. so people who are actually born and raised here, like the bbc now it's twice, twice as unlikely to get a job at the bbc as somebody from obe. can we just minority background. these are all part and parcel. these are all part and parcel. these are all part and parcel. these are part and parcel of the same thing. they're part and parcel of the same thing because it's all being pushed by globalised companies higher pnces globalised companies higher prices for consumers. >> how do we tackle that? if we increase wages for workers? >> are you asking me how we if we increase? well this is part of the supply chain. as renee said, you've got to go back to the fundamental principles of

the fundamental principles of the economy. we're talking about globalised businesses who are desperate to destroy our local communities to take over. so what they do is they lower pnces what they do is they lower prices to originally to beat out the local competition, and then they rake your prices right up. so we've actually got to just reject these big supermarket chains and go back to the way that things were before, where you'd have a local grocer and you'd have a local grocer and you'd buy it from the local farmer and have a good, have a much better society for utter nonsense. >> what you're saying there is that people should work for politics, not the other way around. the idea that people should be paying more and have less money and be more fragile in order to justify the. >> but they're paying more now and their gdp is lower. benjamin. >> food prices in this country are much lower than many similar countries, much lower, for example, than the us. and so, you know, the fact is that that we need those immigrants to fill those roles and immigration. immigrants have a higher number of people in employment than the british born. it's 4% higher from people that come to this country. so you simultaneously say, oh, they're coming over here for the benefits. and apparently taking your job at the bbc. okay. >> right. we'll have to leave that one there. still ahead though, should kids be watching

their tablets during wedding speeches or is it the height of ignorance? but next, does the success of populist parties at the european elections remember them? show that young people are starting to lean to the right? you're with the saturday five live on

gb news. welcome back to the saturday five. thank you very much for your company and as always, thank you for your messages on benjamin's call for immigration. well, it's not been greeted with universal acclaim. i think it's safe to say david is rather irate and he says, is benjamin a latter day imperialist who is happy to ransack poorer countries of cheap labour? yeah. good point. well, elizabeth says, i'm sorry to say that the reason people don't work in such industries like hospitality and

care is the utterly appalling pay you care is the utterly appalling pay you should ask yourself, benjamin, if you would work for a living wage. remember, of course, that you have rent to pay course, that you have rent to pay on a rather plush place yourself. >> buckingham palace. >> buckingham palace. >> well, she's got your number, hasn't she? is she a neighbour now, though, it's time for our next debate. who's going to go next? >> yep. it's me and so keir starmer is proposing votes at 16. and look, i don't want to sound like a hypocrite because if you go back far enough, you'll find me out campaigning for votes at 16 when i was 16. but i have changed my mind on that. now let's have a little look at what happened across the european union. last week. we saw a sweeping of right wing parties rejecting the globalist leftist narrative that has dominated politics for the last 20 years and a massive contributing factor to that is that some of those countries, including france , belgium and including france, belgium and greece, have lowered their voting ages to 16 and in some cases, 17 year olds who are now

in the franchise. so what is the what's the total outcome of that? well, we found that 17% of them are voting for right wing parties. so with keir starmer planning to get more votes by gerrymandering, the election to swing it towards the left, is that going to backfire in the long run? have a little look at france, keir and maybe you'll think twice. alby, what do you think twice. alby, what do you think of keir starmer's vote at 16 proposal? >> i quite like the votes at 16 proposal. i'd been in favour of it, but you mentioned before that 17% of people in the european elections, younger voters voted for 16 to 24, 16 to 24 voted for right wing parties, which would mean that 83% didn't. so that would still suggest to me that actually it would it would it would be more advantageous to left wing parties and labour than it would be to someone like reform. that is not to say there isn't a trend of seeing younger voters, particularly gen z voters, being more right wing than their

predecessors, particularly young men versus young women. but just the statistics you quoted would indicate to me that maybe it would be more beneficial to keir starmer than a hindrance to him. >> so, darren, you know, we've seen nigel farage get really big on places like tiktok reform. also getting a lot, a lot, a lot of use. i saw a young lady go up to nigel farage at one of his conferences or speeches and she said, you know, i was trapped, locked in a school, forced to sign a paper saying i was transphobic. and i couldn't believe it. so thank you, nigel, for speaking up. do you see that trend increasing under the labour government was from conservative party conference last year, where he was sort of like, you know, he was like a deity of some nature. >> they were walking around sort of this messiah farage. it was bizarre. were you there? i was there and it so i think there is something going on there. i don't think he's wrong in saying that and recognising that on on platforms which are full of overwhelming amounts of young people, primarily on tiktok and, and i guess you could argue instagram or is that getting a bit old these days? i don't

know, don't know, i don't know well, but there is something happening and there is a real trend of people saying, and i think alby's right to say young men saying, actually, do you know what i'm not sure i am better off than my parents. you know , i think actually not know, i think actually not a worse position. definitely not because of the housing situation. now, i would argue that in large part that's thanks to migration, but also not building houses. so they're saying, i'm going to turn to the people that don't want a benjamin butterworth type society. >> i'm notwithstanding, i think albee's point is still right in that keir starmer just wants to do this because it will increase the vote on the left, and they'll never be out of power. i just can't believe how we're even contemplating giving 16 year olds. and believe me, i deal with them every day. they can barely speak in gdp, but aside from that, they're not allowed to get married without permission. they're not allowed to leave school. they're not allowed to buy alcohol or cigarettes. it's a nonsense then to say, okay, you can vote. are we going to lower the age for everything? are we just going to

dumb it all down and let them just go out? >> isn't that fascinating though? because whilst they're saying they can get the vote literally a day before, they won't be able to buy a red bull without id, so surely those 16 year olds and 15 year olds are going to start rejecting that narrative and go, actually, even though you've given me the vote, i don't care. i want, i want my rights back. and of course, benjamin, you're a huge fan of nigel farage and his immigration policies. how are you? do you follow him on tiktok? benjamin >> no, i don't use tiktok because i don't want the chinese state in my phone. >> oh, i thought they already ran. i thought they already paid your bills. so. but you know, i went back to my old school, this week, wilmslow high school, and i went in. >> they have their mock election at the moment. and i went into the lunchtime meeting and they said, get out. i went up there, reform uk party at the school and it was fascinating. the labour meeting was entirely female and the reform meeting was entirely male. and i was quite surprised. now these men were saying , these boys, should were saying, these boys, should i say, were saying some slightly unpleasant things at times and i think a lot of them loved andrew

tate and nigel farage. those were two names that kept coming up. i never imagined that my being cool would be that i work at the same place as nigel farage. that's pretty implausible, so there's definitely a movement among boys among young men. i think that's true. but look, i looked at the polling . 4% of people under 24, polling. 4% of people under 24, 16 to 24 would vote conservative and 5% would vote reform compared to more than half of them. >> i thought it was 10. both for both, but maybe not. >> no. in fact, the 50 only 10% would vote conservative. so, you know, the idea that people have gone right wing is complete nonsense. >> but, you know, this nanny state that the tories and labour have developed over the last 20 years. do you think that's going to backfire on the two major parties with young people in the long term? >> i think the fact that the two major parties have really screwed over the younger generations in this country, in this country, over the last 30 years, is going to backfire on them massively. and labour have one chance to sort it out. otherwise, i do think we're going to start to see surges in

right wing populism like in europe, in the uk, with younger voters. >> do you think? on voters. >> do you think? oh sorry. >> do you think? oh sorry. >> we'll we'll leave it there. >> we'll we'll leave it there. >> right. still to come though, folks. ryan—mark parsons will be here to tell us why it's important young people vote at general elections. you'll remember him from the apprentice. plus, i'll be and alex will go head to head on whether nigel farage is right about reform being the real opposition. but next, we all love our smartphones and our tablets. but should kids be able to use them at weddings, for example? or is that to disruptive? what bad we re were given kids? with the saturday

gb news. welcome back to the saturday five. your messages are flying in as usual. thank you very much. helen says this panel are talking out of their hats. they haven't got a clue. i work in

one of those low paid jobs. corporate greed is alive and well. these big parties work on the mentality of more, more, more at the expense of we the people. that's benjamin told i agree. now it's time for our last debate of this hour. who's next? it's me, i could never have guessed . have guessed. >> okay guys. so this week a mum blew up the internet when she asked the question, is it really for okay a child to sit through a wedding reception when the speeches are going, playing with their ipad and no headphones ? their ipad and no headphones? now, this is close to my heart because it's not just children, is it? let's face it, we're in a society now where adults and children alike are constantly scrolling through their tiktok, their facebook, their instagram music videos. candy crush, with its plinky plonky music on trains, in doctors surgeries, on planes , without headphones. it planes, without headphones. it drives me insane. it is the

height of bad manners. now let's put aside whether or not a child should be watching a screen in pubuc should be watching a screen in public at all. let's say they are. if they are, they should be wearing headphones. and frankly , wearing headphones. and frankly, guys, adults, if you can finance a smartphone, you can finance a pair of bloody headphones. i am so sick and tired of this me me me society which has born a generation who are raising a generation who are raising a generation of people who do not consider for one second anymore that their actions have an impact on other people. yeah i don't know what to resistance. >> i mean, it was i don't know why. >> it drives me insane when i see kids either at events like weddings and they're just on their ipads because the parents want them to just be off doing something or they're out at dinner with their family, at a restaurant, on their ipads , restaurant, on their ipads, their parents just chatting. i just think these kids are going to grow up with the most poor social skills. >> sometimes you've got to be

bald when you're a child and you go make your own fun. >> you go and meet other children at the wedding. you go and annoy some adults at the wedding. it's part of life. i just worry that this generation of younger people coming up are just glued to their phones the whole time. yeah they are. their parents are letting the unhappiest generation that we have seen. >> but is this harming their development? because they're not talking to other kids. they're not talking. >> they're not socialising. children have never been more connected with other people online. they've never been unhappier. >> you know what's really interesting? elon musk says something relatively profound recently. i completely agree with him, which is that due to the rise in people and young people actually being attached to their phones, their algorithms are very, very, very much in an echo chamber. and that's not allowing freedom of thought, let alone freedom of speech. so we might even have a whole group of young people that grow up without actually experiencing someone else's point of view, and be extremely dogmatic in their reminded benjamin. exactly >> hahahahahahahahahahahahaha phones weren't about case in point. sorry, i think, take your

headphones off. >> you'll never be invited to wedding. >> i wouldn't worry, i'll never have a wedding. but no, i think you make a very good point. i kind of look back to my childhood and think, what on earth was i doing all the time? like. but somehow you feel the time, right? and you. i think the one thing that i would fear is that it's in that empty time of childhood that your imagination takes hold, that you have ideas and get creative. i remember i used to this is so dorky, but i would come up with entire schedules for tv channels. i'd rewrite the whole thing for the week, and i would draw houses and like, do architecture and things that would just fill weeks on end of spare time . and if you're spare time. and if you're staring at a screen and overstimulated and artificially stimulated by whatever's on the ipad, i think i think it's stopping that development is and the evidence is clear. >> it's really weird, actually, because if you read any mental health books, abigail shrier has just written a brilliant one called bad therapy. you know, she says that if you if you said to somebody who had a really bad cough, you need to stop smoking,

you'd hope they would do that. if you say to a parent your child's mental health is so poor because of the screens, they just carry on. we are damaging our children. but okay, if parents want to damage their children, leave them to it. but give them a pair of headphones and stop being so selfish. >> the only thing i'd say, and i think you're the only parent on the panel tonight, but you know, kids must be pretty draining. they're there all the time, right? and so you're at a wedding, you're at a family event, you just want some peace. you just want the kids to not be nagging, to not be complaining, not risk a tantrum, is it not? okay. especially you mentioned when you go out to a restaurant to stick the ipad in front of them, because at least then you just get a bit of peace. yeah if you do that, give them a pair of headphones. >> i don't do it. our daughter does not have screens. we don't have a tv at home. she has a screen in the morning for 20 minutes and 20, so that she at least knows how to turn well. >> well, there was recently, i can't remember five, but we had an mp on. >> we had an mp on recently who was proposing that we ban

smartphones. miriam cates that's right. for under was it under 16? what do you make of that? renee. >> yeah, i'd go for it. and i don't like banning things, but i would go for it. but i do agree, benjamin. it's hard work. so when we go to a restaurant, we can't speak to each other, the adults, because the little five year old never stops yakking. but that's a good thing. no, no. well, i see parents with two year olds on screens with headphones. it's really sad because she can play on her own. she has an imagination, but she can also talk the hind leg off a cow. cow. >> cow. >> yeah, well, ultimately then next saturday, you make more sense than darren. they're talking about banning tiktok and things like that. now do you put down things like the phenomena that we're experiencing in issues like gender dysphoria , issues like gender dysphoria, for example? do you think that's down to people being glued to these things? >> i think it plays a role. i think it has a role to play. i think it has a role to play. i think because the algorithms are so harsh that the moment they search, when they hit puberty and they just search, i feel a bit uncomfortable in my body. they get taken down that trans algorithm and then it just self—perpetuates and then you get it reinforced at school. >> yeah, unfortunately. yeah.

well that's true. >> schools are a big problem as well aren't they. but there's a matter of disrespect. it's just sheer disrespect to play your music out loud. i never did that when i was a kid. >> and well, i remember there was the adults doing it still on their bikes. >> time when you would get. yeah, sort of, you know, less well brought up people on the bus and they would play music at the back of it and it would always irritate people. but now you get adults doing it. >> yes. all right. >> yes. all right. >> right. lots more coming up on the show tonight, including ryan—mark parsons on why young people should make sure that they vote alb and alex are going to clash on weather reform. are the real opposition . and we'll the real opposition. and we'll take your questions and ask the five. so get them in and i'll see you shortly . see you shortly. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers , sponsors of boxt boilers, sponsors of weather on . gb news. weather on. gb news. >> hello and welcome to your gb news weather update brought to you by the met office. well, it's going to be quite an

unsettled weekend with some showers, some longer spells of rain, even some thunder at times this evening. and it's all because of this area of low pressure which is swirling around the uk, sticking around for saturday and also sunday into this evening, we'll see plenty of showers move their way across the uk. these a little bit heavy at times, particularly across central areas, and we'll also start to see some longer outbreaks of rain move their way southwards into parts of scotland . and a fair amount of scotland. and a fair amount of rain around tonight, which means it's going to be a mild night on offer. so to start off on sunday, then these outbreaks of rain will slowly move their way southwards across parts of scotland. this could be a little bit heavy at times, particularly as it does push up over the hills elsewhere. it's going to be a bit of a mix, some clear spells, but also still the odd shower at times too. a little bit blustery across the north—west of scotland and a little bit blustery for a time across southern parts of the uk, but winds generally easing by the time we reach sunday

morning. on the whole. then for the second half of the weekend, a fairly unsettled day with showers, some longer spells of rain and as the winds ease across the south, the showers will be fairly slow moving at times, but there should still be plenty of sunshine in between those showers and the rain across the north will gradually break its way up through the course of the afternoon, as well . a little bit warmer compared to today. 21 degrees across the southeast, perhaps even 22 degrees if we see those prolonged, sunnier spells to start the week, then still plenty of showers across the northern half of the uk. still merging at times to bring longer spells of rain. but overall a largely dry day across parts of the south and southeast, we're still plenty of that sunshine on offer. there will still be some showers in the outlook from wednesday onwards. plenty of dry weather on offer too, with those temperatures remaining around average looks like things are heating up. >> boxt boilers spot of weather on

gb news. way. >> it's saturday night. and this is the saturday five. i'm darren grimes, along with albie amankona doctor renee , alex amankona doctor renee, alex armstrong and benjamin butterworth. plenty more to come tonight , butterworth. plenty more to come tonight, including a conversation with former apprentice star ryan—mark parsons on why it's vital young people should be voting at this election, and what it's like being a conservative as a young person. plus what should be a lively saturday scrap i'll be and alex will go head to head on whether nigel farage is right about reform being the real opposition. it's 7 pm. and this is the saturday five. also still

to come tonight in bunch of five. is it time to start worrying about i cops? why a knighthood for alan bates the postie former postie is great news to celebrate this weekend. and why are police driving into cows on the road? it's not funny. that's horrible . then funny. that's horrible. then we'll be answering your questions and ask the five. send them through to gbnews.com forward slash york. but first it's your saturday night news with ray addison . with ray addison. >> cheers, darren. our top stories tonight. the princess of wales has resumed some public dufies wales has resumed some public duties as she continues her cancer treatment . crowds cheered cancer treatment. crowds cheered as princess catherine appeared with the king and other members of the royal family on the balcony at buckingham palace, a 41 gun salute and an raf fly past marked his majesty's official birthday . following the

official birthday. following the trooping the colour parade . trooping the colour parade. meanwhile, post office campaigner sir alan bates is among those recognised in the king's birthday honours list. the former subpostmaster says his newly awarded knighthood is recognition of the sheer hell that hundreds of post office workers went through . the prime workers went through. the prime minister says he'll stay on as an mp, even if the conservatives lose the general election . rishi lose the general election. rishi sunak said he'll fight to the last day as he responded to a question about a yougov poll, which shows that reform uk has overtaken the tories for the first time. as we've been heanng first time. as we've been hearing the party's leader, nigel farage, has suggested he can be the voice of opposition . can be the voice of opposition. labouris can be the voice of opposition. labour is promising 40,000 extra nhs appointments a week . sir nhs appointments a week. sir keir starmer's claiming that waiting lists could rise to 10 million if the conservatives remain in power. however experts at the institute for fiscal studies say the claim is highly unlikely. meanwhile, the lib dem

leader has been tackling a racetrack and a trampoline as well on the election campaign trail . today we have lift—off trail. today we have lift—off the bounce in the polls coming . the bounce in the polls coming. campaigning in surrey, he said. he hopes blue wall gains will keep his party in the running for the opposition. sir ed is pledging to scrap elected police and crime commissioners to boost frontline policing. he says the pm has slammed president putin for failing to attend a ukraine peace conference. rishi sunak is among more than 90 western leaders attending the event in switzerland. they're hoping to put pressure on russia to end the war. >> putin has no interest in a genuine peace. he's launched a sustained diplomatic campaign against this very summit, ordering countries to stay away. and we should ask why does russia feel that they are so threatened by a summit discussing the basic principles of territorial integrity , food

of territorial integrity, food security and nuclear safety ? security and nuclear safety? instead, russia's representative at the united nations recently said the only topic for any international meetings on ukraine will be the unconditional surrender of the kyiv regime. >> and finally, the home secretary has called for a full and urgent explanation after a police car rammed a car, a cow, rather in west london, and a warning that the footage we're about to show you does contain images of that injured animal. the vehicle hit the cow in feltham before knocking it to the ground a second time. surrey police has acknowledged that the incident caused distress and confirmed it's been referred to its professional standards department. the force says the cow suffered a large cut to its leg and is being seen by a vet. write for the latest stories. sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen, or go to gb news. com slash back now to the saturday

five. >> thanks, ray. >> thanks, ray. >> it's saturday night and you're with the saturday five. i'm darren grimes, and i can promise that you're in for another very lively hour. we're going to crack on with tonight's big interview. and one of the concerns ahead of this summer's general election is that the turnout could actually be at a record low, with particular concern that young people won't exercise their democratic right to have a say in how the country is governed. well one man that wants to reverse that is the former apprentice star ryan mark parsons, who's been out on the campaign trail and wants to make sure young people do get involved on july 4th. and he joins us now to tell us more. good evening, ryan, thank you very much for your company. ryan, what's it like being a young tory? because it must come with its, shall we say? well, social awkwardness, i guess. >> yeah, absolutely . whether

>> yeah, absolutely. whether it's in real life or social media, for example, today i did an interview with the express telling the journalist that i've been out and about for about three weeks on the campaign trail, and the amount of abuse i've received since posting that post on x is insane . and you get post on x is insane. and you get it in real life as well. you go to social events, you might be at parties or at a club, i don't know. and somehow politics comes up and you mention that you're a supporter of the conservative party and then you're instantly ostracised. and i don't get it . ostracised. and i don't get it. i mean, it doesn't seem to be the case that young people can accept any political discourse. and if you're not a socialist, you're not accepted. and i think it's absolutely insane. >> yes, because that's the dominant culture, right? that it's more left leaning . but i it's more left leaning. but i would like to apologise on behalf of benjamin butterworth for sending you all of those horrible messages. >> but i do wonder, though, it was him. >> it was, wasn't it? i do

wonder, though, how do we how do you encourage people when you know we're talking about a smaller number, when at least the polling suggests when it comes to those who are younger and on the right of british politics. but how do you actually encourage people that are ostracised socially, perhaps to actually get involved and want to be involved in something when they feel that they're going to potentially even lose friends ? friends? >> yeah, it's really tricky and i try not to take a cynical view on it, but i think ultimately you have to have a tough skin. and i've always since the days of the apprentice, when i did that, when i was 19, i've always had a thick skin and you just have to deal with the abuse and the vitriol because if you can't, unfortunately you won't be able to be out and proud about your conservative ways because it just comes with the territory. unfortunately, and i don't think there's any way to combat that. and i think a lot of it is exacerbated by social media because it appears to be trendy. when i go on tiktok and other gen z dominated platforms

to be on the left side of politics, it seems to be fashionable. so it's almost celebrated to go on these social media platforms. if you are left leaning. but if i put anything out about the conservative party on tiktok, for example, i'm immediately chastised and i think i just think that's a great shame. yeah, that is the case. and that's not healthy for democracy. >> renee i bring in you in as a mother, how would you actually encourage your kids to feel that they're involved in the political process? >> well, i think this is really interesting. and what i was going to ask ryan is, i wonder if when he meets these people out, who then instantly shrink backif out, who then instantly shrink back if he actually pushed them to name policies from the party that they were supporting and compare it to the ones that you support, could they? because then that comes back to if they can't, education and parenting. in talking to your children about all of the different parties and ideas that are out there , i wonder if these people there, i wonder if these people are just following the social trend and could actually name anything for you , i think you're

anything for you, i think you're right. so i think a lot of it comes down to education, but i've had these conversations with young voters on the doorsteps. like i said, i've been on the campaign trail for about three weeks, and unfortunately, from my experience, this is all anecdotal. a lot of them don't actually want to have the discussion, and it just immediately gets shut down. now, this is just my experience. i think it's a great idea. i think it needs to be welcomed. and i think parents need to be providing that education, that political education, even down to schools as well, to just broaden young people's political honzons broaden young people's political horizons when it comes to other points of view, i think that's certainly a good idea. >> is it one other thing? do you think that we're so protecting our children now about hearing things that they might find offensive, that that's also channelling them down one route, whereas we should actually be challenging them and presenting ideas to them that they might find difficult so that they can then have this debate . then have this debate. >> i think there is a growing sensitivity . i've experienced it sensitivity. i've experienced it every single day. more recently

than ever before, where if you say the wrong thing, especially to young people, they just become very offended. and you're right, maybe there is a level of protection that parents are instilling upon their children where they don't want them to ever get hurt and offend. they can't be offended, ever. and i think it's really quite sad and soppy. think it's really quite sad and soppy- l think it's really quite sad and soppy. i think really young people need to grow a backbone, toughen up , people need to grow a backbone, toughen up, get a thick skin because the reality of everyday life and the world is that you can't be mollycoddled forever , can't be mollycoddled forever, and you really just need to deal with the harsh realities of life. and that might mean if someone uses a wrong pronoun that isn't necessarily offensive or malicious or callous, someone's just made a mistake. but i've had so many incidents where minor things come up, use the wrong terminology, and you get immediately castigated. and i think that is a shame. >> yeah, or maybe we don't need another posh boy lecturing the

country on why they should vote conservative, quite frankly. ryan. mark, i mean, you talk about young people, benjamin. >> you say the same old thing every day because it's boring. >> do you not think that's because the tories have made life so much tougher for anyone under the age of 50, let alone a young person? and quite frankly, young person? and quite frankly, you going out there and telling them that they should be glad of them that they should be glad of the conservatives i think you're probably a traitor to your generation. on a traitor. >> i'm not telling anyone how to vote at all. i'm going out there sharing the message, and i'm actually i'm encouraging the discussion i want. there to be discourse. i want to have an intellectualised discussion with these people on the doors. and that's exactly what i'm doing. i'm not saying that you have to vote one way or the other. i'm just going to speak to young people, whether it's in this capacity or in other ways. and i welcome the discussions that i have with young people. i'm not instructing anyone to do anything. i mean that said choice, i'm giving my views and i'm outlining why people should vote for the conservative party.

but that's really down to them . but that's really down to them. and the ballot paper when it comes to the 4th of july. >> a little birdie told me, we've got a picture of you on the campaign trail. on there he is. the man himself. yes, mr sunak, you're taller than him. >> i think everyone everybody is. well, that's not that difficult. >> no. i mean, were you starstruck , i was a bit. i was starstruck, i was a bit. i was a bit really. >> i was actually taking the michael . michael. >> that's what. sorry. >> that's what. sorry. >> i was actually taking the mickey there. you know, i wasn't i wasn't expecting you to say you were starstruck. no. >> well, it's the prime minister i mean, it's surprise. it's the prime minister. but it was an amazing opportunity. i was canvassing with rishi on the doorsteps in milton keynes. and, look, he was getting out there. he was being very intrepid. he was going to all of the doors, and i was there for maybe a good 15, 20 minutes. and i had a little chat with him as well after we took the picture. so yeah, it was an amazing opportunity. and, look, i think rishi gets a lot of flak, especially recently after d—day,

but i think he's a very considerate guy. i've met a lot of politicians recently at an eventin of politicians recently at an event in london, it seems to be the whole the whole of the cabinet office over there. and i've spoken to politicians and you don't necessarily get that level of, interest or attention, but when i, when i was talking to him, you could see that he was really listening and he seemed to care. and it was a very valuable conversation that i had with him. and i haven't had that with a lot of other politicians that i've met. >> all right, who's got it worse then you on the apprentice or rishi sunak? >> well, he's not dealing with lord sugar. and let me tell you, that's something that you don't want to deal with. lord sugar is someone that you don't want to stare down, in the middle of a boardroom, but, look, it's going to be tough, but that's my route every single day campaigning. it's not easy, but it's down to hard work. and that's how you win elections. and i'm helping all of the candidates from the conservative party in any way i can to make sure they win on the 4th of july. >> all right, ryan, mark there. thank you very much for your time there, benjamin. stand by. that a complete rubbish is what

complete rubbish. everything that's just being said. >> well, not everything . no. >> well, not everything. no. >> well, not everything. no. >> i find it hard to believe anyone's starstruck by rishi sunak. >> do you not think it's a bit childish and typical of the left to call someone a posh boy? >> well, he is a posh boy. he's made it. he's made himself famous by being a posh boy. what? i think is that, you know, young people should go out and vote. obviously, i think it's your responsibility. we had a great debate last week from someone who said you shouldn't vote, which was quite interesting. but are the parties giving them, you know, sufficient representation when they make their decisions in government? and i think the answer is probably. >> but in particular, you think actually having someone turn up and talk about the conservatives is actually, frankly, taking the michael out of young people? yeah, that's what you think. >> because, you know, things have got considerably worse. the disparity between generations is a serious problem in this country, both socially and economically. and it's been a decision because we have a government that's been re—elected on pensioners. >> you don't like pensioners, do you?i >> you don't like pensioners, do you? i don't like, i don't like and refuse to just accept the

grip that they have on a country and it has caused serious problems. >> and i think that's arguably ironically , maybe why young ironically, maybe why young people should go out and vote, because that's the only way to turn that upside down. >> all right, we shall see. i'm sure the viewers have a word or two about that and a thing or two about that and a thing or two to say, but it's time for this, our great giveaway, and it's your chance to win over £16,000 worth of prizes . that's £16,000 worth of prizes. that's £15,000 cash and a whole host of summer treats. it could be yours, but you've got to be in it to win it. here's all the details you need. >> don't miss out on your chance to win our summer spectacular. and have we got a prize for you? first, there's a totally tax free £15,000 in cash to make your summer spectacular , to your summer spectacular, to spend that extra cash however you like. you'll also win a brand new iphone, apple airpods, and if that wasn't enough, a £500 voucher to spend at your favourite uk attraction so you can enjoy amazing days out this year for another chance to win

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listen to. now, a rather large man went over, grabbed this boy's phone, just threw it out the window, and the entire bus erupted with cheers, applause and laughter. >> well, there you go. >> well, there you go. >> i wish i was on that bus. >> i wish i was on that bus. >> yeah, benjamin's never forgiven him . now, though, it's forgiven him. now, though, it's time for this. forgiven him. now, though, it's time for this . yes, indeedy. time for this. yes, indeedy. it's tonight's main event. time for this. yes, indeedy. it's tonight's main event . and it's tonight's main event. and with a labour government looking increasingly likely according to the polls, thoughts have turned to who will comprise the main opposition. now the reform party leader, nigel farage, has said that his party are now the real opposition. is he right, that his party are now the real opposition. is he right , though? opposition. is he right, though? time to call out the aa because albie amankona and alex armstrong are all set to go head to head on this. the saturday scrap seconds out. it's round one. away you go, alex. >> well, look , it's pretty

>> well, look, it's pretty obvious, isn't it? >> the reform party is surging in the polls. it's not only taking votes from labour, but it's also taking a lot of votes from the tories. at least 20. i think that margin is quite a lot higher. but we're also seeing nigel farage as possibly the most you know. well liked politician on social media. he's surging on tiktok , he's surging surging on tiktok, he's surging on instagram, he's all over acts. the left are complaining about it all day. the tories are complaining about it all day and he's constantly being attacked. in fact, he's attacked so much that he's not even going to be allowed to be on the bbc leaders debate. while the big main parties, the establishment, stitch up continues. reform surge ahead , becoming the real surge ahead, becoming the real opposition. and let's face it, if nigel farage gets his seat, which he looks very likely he will with a ten point lead at the moment. whatever happens, whatever , tories are left on the whatever, tories are left on the back benches, on the opposition benches , he will be the most benches, he will be the most senior conservative on that side i >> right. well, there's all sorts of people that say the word senior conservative. i'm

still not really sure what it means, whether or not you're talking about nigel or whether or not you're talking about me. people have called me a senior conservative. are you? well, i'm not really. i'm not really sure what all that was about, but the simple fact of the matter is, alex, the first past the post political system makes it incredibly hard for a nigel farage to be the leader of the opposition. now, reform might win 1 or 2 seats in the next general election if there was going to be any party that wasn't the conservatives, that wasn't the conservatives, that was going to be the opposition leading party, it would actually be more likely to be the lib dems. there are, in fact, some polls which suggest the lib dems could win more seats than the conservatives at the next general election. there are no polls that suggest the reform party will win more seats in the conservatives at the next general election, even if they are outpolling the conservatives by 1. in one poll done by yougov for the sunday sunday times earlier on this week. so i just want to drag you back down to reality. yeah. and all of your other nigel farage lovers out there, you're not going to be there, you're not going to be the leader of the opposition. reform are not going to be any bigger than a couple of seats

for the next parliament. that doesn't mean the tories shouldn't be scared of reform, but i just want to inject a bit of realism into this argument. >> fascinating. argue about the liberal democrats, because i don't think if you asked anyone, they'd know the difference between the lib dems and half the conservative party, frankly. so yes, i do think nigel farage will be the conservative opposition on those benches because look, at the end of the day, if the tories ever want to get back into government again, they're going to have to pull back all those people they lost to reform. and let's face it, reform voters are spread out across the country. they are the second place in most red wall seats, the same people that bons seats, the same people that boris johnson won over, that the tories over the last few years, people like rishi sunak and albee have completely forgotten about because they didn't want them in, they didn't want them in the party in the first. well, policies that you endorse, like uncapped immigration, for example, by which red wall voters , which red wall voters, voters, which red wall voters, immigration, which red wall voters . voters. >> okay. >> okay. >> well, let's ask what we need. less immigration. okay well let's say what have the conservatives done to lower immigration? what are the conservatives done to grow the economy? what are the

conservatives done for anybody over the last four years? i'd love to hear that and see how much of a good opposition they'll be in the back benches. >> the question is about whether or not nigel farage and the reform party will be the real opposition. i think i've just illustrated how that is not going to happen. >> nigel farage, can you prove otherwise? >> yeah, well, he wants low taxes. >> he wants immigration to be capped amongst a range of other things. we could go on all day, but he's second party. but. well, i could just say reform . well, i could just say reform. the conservative party needs to have reform. they need reform back in the party. they're going to get completely trounced. so you're going to tell me that the conservatives are just going to reject the actual conservative people, the ones with real conservative values, who have now gone to reform. you're going to completely reject them forever and allow yourself to go into political obliteration. is that what you're going to do? >> i don't know, are you seeing and hearing things? i haven't said that at all. >> but then that's how you're going. >> i actually think we need to unite the right. but does that mean that the reform party and nigel farage are going to be the real opposition? well, because

because they won't be. >> well, reform and the tories will have to become the same party at some point if there is any chance of the tories getting back in. so yes, in some ways they will be the opposition party. but as i said, nigel farage will be the most senior and well known conservative figure on those benches and most of the tories surrounding him, priti patel, suella braverman are going to gravitate to him. they're going to vote together. let's see what happens. >> all right. let's let's have a look at what benjamin butterworth thinks. because actually you don't like either of them. >> no, i mean, i note that you're both dressed in black like you're at a funeral. >> you are about to lose. >> you are about to lose. >> i mean, why not make plaid cymru the official opposition party? because you're going to have, if you're lucky, about as many mps as plied and out. no one thinks that there are 3 or 4 mps or what it could be is serious . you know, it's serious. you know, it's completely delusional. and i find it really odd because this surge still takes you to about 1 in 6 votes, right? there's far more for the labour party, more than double for the labour party. what reform is getting before you take in the lib dems, which are pretty similar. so the idea that the country is crying

out for it and the popular will is for reform, but if we're talking about opposition in particular, benjamin, not not actually, who's going to govern the country, but at least in this election, who's going to be the opposition? i agree with lord cameron of chipping norton when he says, and other people say that elections are won from the centre, you can keep trying to appease extremists like alex armstrong and nigel farage. extremists will never win. >> have you not just highlighted what the problem is here? and the problem is, is that elections are only won from the centre because we have this ridiculous voting system of first past the post and waste the country moderate, right. we're going. >> it's been hardly moderate the last few years. >> we're going to reach a point. but what happens, benjamin, when we reach a point where let's just say nigel farage and his party get 6 million votes on one seat, what's going to happen then is people are going to sit back and say, hang on a minute. this is ridiculous. this voting system has to change. they're going to wake up. no party has done that before. you know, they might get the same votes as the

lib dems and the lib dems get 60 seats and they get one. >> people with the sdp . and then >> people with the sdp. and then the voting system didn't change after the scp. liberal alliance back in the 80s or whenever it was. this isn't the first time we've been in this position where there's been a third party that's been polling very well in the 20% region. i think the scp got in their heyday and it only translated into a very no seats. in fact . and we didn't change in fact. and we didn't change the voting system then. and what i find really interesting actually, with this whole thing about to changing to proportional representation , is proportional representation, is the same people who want proportional representation were against the referendum on voting reform. when was it in 2014? 9/11 alternative was it the alternative vote? so i don't really understand. you've got these people that want want changes to how we vote, but then when we have the opportunity to change the way how we vote, they voted against me. >> i voted against it because it wasn't a brilliant system, but also we weren't seeing this complete divide in society where we working people on the street don't feel they're represented. >> we weren't seeing that. the

situation has changed. i've changed my mind. we also didn't have 750,000 people the size of birmingham coming here every yeah >> and we also didn't have the cost of living crisis because of the cost of living crisis and everything else, with people making is that the people are dissatisfied with the established parties. >> the centre grounds of the same. well, bottom, i was going to say, and i keep on arguing this point, the centre ground no longer exists where you think it does on the left and the centre ground parties. >> it doesn't sit there anymore. the left have dragged it so far over to the other end of the scale. everything on the other side seems right wing . so side seems right wing. so whatever you say, you don't. you want to control your borders. is that right wing? you want to have freedom of speech? is that right wing? you don't want transgender ideology. yeah. you're called far right and it's absolutely insane. and you're going to see that rebellion. and i think reform, they might not do well in this election, but i can guarantee you the one after and the one after that. if the tories don't get their act together, reform will absolutely be the opposition party. are you to sit there and accuse people of being extremists? >> that's exactly why labour lost the red wall. you know,

because of people like you. i don't think albee should be nervous about people like alex and reform because you're utter nonsense that you just said you are trying to speak to. >> i just told you a fact. >> i just told you a fact. >> you are. you think that political parties can speak to the country they wish they had, rather than the country that actually exists? that's where corbyn went wrong. and you kind of the attitude is basically we tell them they're wrong for long enough. eventually they'll realise we've got it all right. that's the people aren't. >> we're not telling the people that they're telling. they're telling the political establishment that enough is enough. >> let me finish. armstrong. look, the fact is that that the centre ground, this is quite a moderate country. it's a small c conservative country in many ways, and it's a moderate country. and i like first past the post because it makes it very difficult to have any outcome other than a strong government . the reason britain government. the reason britain has been prosperous and successful and stable and never have you think, dangerous and stable and successful with our economy, is growing 0.1% a year to the rest of the world. >> we are, of course we are. >> and we've had and dropping and dropping in recent years and dropping and that is because our

politics stays in a similar place. the fact that it's failed, it's failed to keep us in positive figures. people in this country like moderate labour and moderate conservative views than like your view is an endorsement of this country. but we'll see. >> we'll see how much longer that goes on for. >> we'll see whether that's true. >> but we will because you're about to have the biggest labour landslide in history. >> well, for example, the lowest turnout, the polling suggests people actually massively reject votes at 16 votes for children, for example, there's the political class, not speaking out loud. there you go. still ahead though, we take all your questions in ask the five. but next in bunch of five we've got i cops. we've got james may criticising pride flags. and then finally someone who gets an honour and they actually deserve it. that's a nice story. well done duran duran lead singer, sir. and good to see alan bates ourjoke, sir. and good to see alan bates our joke, of course. get sir. and good to see alan bates ourjoke, of course. get a nod our joke, of course. get a nod as well. you're with the saturday five

gb news. welcome back to the saturday five. now your unrelenting verdicts are in after our saturday scrap light. says how you underestimate the depth of feeling in this country. i'll be the silent majority will speak. but adam says reform . follow the but adam says reform. follow the money. they are not truly for everyday people . and adrian says everyday people. and adrian says sorry, don't fool yourself . sorry, don't fool yourself. there aren't many reform candidates out there and an engush candidates out there and an english rose says the saturday five are how we should all be. debate, talk and argue and disagree, but remain friends. i've never met a group of people i've never met a group of people i hate more . now, though, it's i hate more. now, though, it's time for this. i hate more. now, though, it's time for this . who's getting us time for this. who's getting us off? >> it's me. »- >> it's me. >> so? well, the cameras on me.

>> so? well, the cameras on me. >> so? well, the cameras on me. >> so me. >> so me. >> i don't know who's getting you off tonight, but i can tell you off tonight, but i can tell you who is set twitter on fire. earlier on this week, it was, of course, the former star from top geah course, the former star from top gear, james may, said about pride flags in a tweet. whilst i have observed and admired what you have achieved over my lifetime , may i respectfully lifetime, may i respectfully suggest suggest that you are borderline guilty of too much bunting. it may be seen as authoritative , authoritarian and authoritative, authoritarian and therefore oppressive. please remember that some terrible things which she would which you would do well not to be allied, began with too much bunting . began with too much bunting. world war two, for example. nice flag though. so this was james may talking about the pride flags which are hung in central london on regent street, basically saying you can see these images there and basically saying that this is too much bunting. and some people were even arguing that he was he was comparing it to nazi germany. >> for radio listeners, this is rows and rows down regent street and rows and rows and rows and

rows. it looks like benjamin butterworth's flat . and it's absurd. >> it is actually . >> it is actually. >> it is actually. >> and i've got nothing against pride flags, but i personally think this is it's just too much people just it's just it's everywhere. i don't think people mind you, when it was 1 or 2 pride flags, but what do you make of this, benjamin? you're looking at me like i'm some sort of far right bigot. >> i mean, for a start, that picture slightly distorts it because in reality, they're rather spread out so it doesn't feel as intense as that photograph suggests. it does. >> it really does. >> it really does. >> it really does. >> i was there the other weekend, and half of this shopping street in central london was the pride flags, and the other half was the champions league flag. so i said, oh, that's the straight pride on the other side. and you know, we there's always, wires across that street. there's always flags there. it changes throughout the year. it has the british flag flying for all sorts of events and points in the year. and it is good, good to celebrate diversity and the people that live in london and make it feel welcoming and open. but does it worry you? >> does the heterosexual flag

display going up? >> well, the other 11 months of the year? is it? but doesn't it worry you? >> you you don't need more rights. you don't have anything to complain about. everything works. >> you lgbt people don't need more rights either. they've got complete parity in law. have they not? >> tell me a right that an lgbt person doesn't have the i. >> there isn't one. >> there isn't one. >> well, there isn't one. >> well, there isn't one. >> renee 1 or 2 discrepancies, but they're a bit niche. >> but the fact is, culturally, you know, it's still a problem. and what is the problem with celebrating each other? >> right. okay, renee, what have you got? >> i am sick and tired of young people deciding that democracy is irrelevant, and their view is the only thing that counts in anything. so this week we saw the friends of you know, palestine, although they're a spin off from the big group that's been camping out on universities, actually disrupted an exam hall oxford for the end of year exams and got the exams cancelled because they want oxford to cut their ties totally with israel . so i guarantee that with israel. so i guarantee that they will have organised this on their smartphones. the technology for which comes from

israel . lots of the parts come israel. lots of the parts come from israel. these people are just idiots and they're also anti—democratic. they don't want anyone to have a view that's different to theirs. if that had been my medical finals, i may have been violent. i was that worked up to sit my exam. >> renee do you think actually these are students that went to oxford? >> i think they possibly didn't. they're probably activists because we know that lots of the camps are not students that go there. i don't care. >> so why are the police not getting involved if they can tackle a cow as vociferously as they did? >> well, they hide their faces, don't they? they put masks on. >> why can they not tackle? >> why can they not tackle? >> because there's two tier policing now. and this is an issue that the police don't want to get involved in. >> i mean, look, i've been on, you know, my views lie with israel. but now i've learned that you can get an exam cancelled if you're pro—palestine. i might go out and join them, it would have saved me a lot of stress as a student in all seriousness, what worries me is that they cave in to these things. yeah, you know, i can't see any logic for a

university, you know, giving in, it's fine for them to protest. >> do you think keir starmer will cave in on this issue? >> no, no, because if he was going to do that, it would have happened six months ago. we're literally leading up to an election, and i think he's been really quite steadfast on it at a point where it would be most vulnerable. well, he took the knee for blm. >> didn't he cave into all sorts of things? they they know platform people. they cancel exams, they are there to educate people. and exams are a part of education. so it's disagreement. universities just need to get on with their job. >> our old university lse, they put a globe on the campus and taiwan was in a different colour to china , and the chinese to china, and the chinese government told them to change it and they refused. >> and what about the flat earth people? >> possible. and well, all the trans debates that get cancelled as well. that's it's a sad state of affairs in universities. full stop. but i want to talk about a happy state of affairs, because alan bates who you'll have seen , alan bates who you'll have seen, especially if you watched the drama on the post office horizon scandal, which captured all of our hearts. i think it's fair to say, for the struggle and

torment that these former subpostmasters were put through . subpostmasters were put through. alan bates was one of them and he never gave up . he is alan bates was one of them and he never gave up. he is a man who was like a dog without a bone , right? he really went for bone, right? he really went for getting for justice those people. and i think this is a really worthy gong, and i think it's a good use of the awards system. it's not often we hear praise for the honour system, but in this instance, i think we're all probably agreed. >> that's what it's for. yeah. >> that's what it's for. yeah. >> it's brilliant. >> it's brilliant. >> this is exactly what it's for. >> but they should also be more levers to take honours away from people rather than have to voluntarily hand it back. and we've got so ed davey, for example. >> oh no. >> oh no. >> oh no. >> oh yes, sir. ed davey, paula vennells, these are people who have perpetuated the problem in the post office and whether or not deliberately ed davey did it, he certainly was not very diligent. >> he refused to meet alan bates . no, she said there was nothing to be served by. >> what you're saying is he was post office minister at the time. >> it was just later on. >> it was just later on. >> and i mean, benjamin, do you

agree with this? would you aboush agree with this? would you abolish the awards, the honours system or something like that? >> no, i like it because i think i think it's a good way to, to reward people. and it's really hard to get a knighthood. you know, david beckham has clearly been desperate for a long time. there have been all sorts of stories about him desperately trying to chase that, and he's still not got it. now, i like that that you have to do a lifetime's work, but there are, you know, boris johnson handed out some to cronies that really didn't deserve it. you know, people that did months as a minister over a summer and then got knighthoods. that's just farcical. >> all right. well, we look forward to sir keir's resignation on the peerage i. all right alex, what have you got? >> yeah. well we've given orwell a run for his money these days, haven't we? because there's a shocking new trend that the police force are doing a ai facial recognition, deploying it mostly across london and special events. and this is really quite , quite disturbing because i don't know when the public gave their you know, their authorisation for such orwellian natured security protocols to be put in place. i certainly don't

remember voting for it at any of the elections. so my question is, are we heading to this sort of bizarre orwellian security state? >> we've been one of the most surveilled nations in the world for a very long time. people were having these arguments in the in the 20, in the in the 2000, when cctv was first being rolled out. look, i don't really mind there being a lot of cctv. i actually feel a lot safer when there's cctv around than i'm in london. i just sort of think if you've got nothing to hide, what's how to get the, you know , what's how to get the, you know, get the cctv, especially in london, and then they choose not to do anything. >> well, we had that. >> well, we had that. >> we've actually what's worrying me about 1984 and orwell is not that actually it was very prophetic and has predicted the future, but actually they've used it as their instruction manual and we saw this week that the ioc gave instructions to journalists about words that they were not allowed to use during the olympics. that's called newspeak in 1984. it's really scary. what's shocking about the whole ai stuff as well is that we had

the acid attack. >> i forget his name, and he didn't even get caught. i mean, yeah, abdul ezedi what do you think about it all? >> well, i have a friend. i do honestly, and he was beaten up by somebody and mugged by somebody that had started in sainsbury's. and he asked sainsbury's. and he asked sainsbury's for the cctv for the police. and they said no, they said they wouldn't do it. they police had to personally request it and then when they did, it was too many days later and they'd got rid of it. so i thought, what's the point in all this surveillance if it's not you? >> yeah, i completely agree. >> yeah, i completely agree. >> if you got bit, mine is, about a cow limping on and it's not actually darren. >> in surrey, in surrey, a police car was looking for a cow that had escaped. from where? it's meant to be, and it was hit by the marked vehicle . and then by the marked vehicle. and then the car, the police car stopped overit the car, the police car stopped over it when it was injured in the ground. now you can see parts of that footage there. so ihopeifs parts of that footage there. so i hope it's not too shocking for you, the rspca has said that have basically said it doesn't look quite right to them. they want to know what's happened.

and the home secretary has already got involved and said it's heavy handed . it's heavy handed. >> oh it's ridiculous. first of all, i think the people who failed him are very happy. you're calling felt and surrey. but it happened in feltham in west london, which isn't too far away from heathrow airport. but i just think, why is the home secretary getting involved in this? come on, it's nonsense. it's a cow getting hit by a car. >> why do you know? >> why do you know? >> hang on cow. a lot of british people are animal lovers. they are so upset to see those. >> and how many of them are eating a steak right now? but they don't want a cow to be run over like that. i don't think the home secretary needs to issue a statement. when a cow gets hit by a police car. >> i do agree with you. i'll be. actually, i think that home secretary's involvement in this maybe shows the priorities of the home secretary rather than stopping the boats. he's stopping the boats. he's stopping the boats. he's stopping the cows. i mean, but, you know, but frankly, i mean, it is tragic what's happened, but i just don't know whether the met police or is it the met police who have looked after this case? >> i don't know if it's in surrey. >> if it's in surrey, it may

police, wouldn't it perhaps. yeah.i police, wouldn't it perhaps. yeah. i just think it's a little bit of a violent approach to stopping it isn't it. police >> you know benjamin, are you of the view that actually imagine if we did this to a human, knock them over in a car like that. >> you'd be okay if they were old. >> would you. would you be all right with that? i mean, you've got to think about the poor. that animal would have been frightened beyond repair. yeah. >> what are you asking? >> what are you asking? >> is it? i'm asking, do you think, actually, we should approach it like we would the police hitting a human being? >> what? i don't i don't understand what you're saying. >> the car, the police using the car. >> should we treat the animals like humans? should we treat the animals like humans? >> like most of this show, i don't know what you're on about, but. >> does cow have rights? >> does cow have rights? >> i thought he'd be calculating the c02 >> i thought he'd be calculating the co2 use for the car to hit the co2 use for the car to hit the cow. >> but cows are terrible for the. >> well, there you go. you're better off without the cow. >> but. no, it's clearly, you know, it's clearly unnecessary what they've done. i mean, you see these images from, you know, in other countries and stuff where a lion has escaped. right? and the police are tracking that down. now, i don't mind if you have to hit the line so it doesn't, you know, maul your family, but it's a cow. i suspect there are other ways they could have stopped the cow

being the police, i believe the police have said actually, they did make attempts to do this, but they couldn't ultimately do it. >> so then it could have been a pubuc >> so then it could have been a public safety issue, right? there are those people. yeah. so let us know what you think at home for the wall art. but still ahead, it's the part of the show where you wonderful viewers take back control . no topics are off back control. no topics are off limits. it's almost time for ask the five. nothing too naughty, please. you're with the saturday five live

gb news. welcome back to the saturday five. no emails on tonight's topics right now. because it's time for this. topics right now. because it's time for this . let's see what time for this. let's see what you've got for us this week. we've got this one in from jay, a slightly edited version. anyway, jay, i apologise. kiss, marry , avoid sunak farage marry, avoid sunak farage starmer. that's dreadful . starmer. that's dreadful. >> oh dear. >> oh dear.

>> that's really jay. that's me. oh, i think i, i think i'd marry sunak because he's loaded and you'd be, you'd be set for life, wouldn't you? but isn't he loaded because of his wife ? no. loaded because of his wife? no. >> he's also independently wealthy. but his wife has just made him richer. so that would be good. and maybe him and akshata would divorce and he'd get half of her money, and then i'd marry him, and it would be great. so i've married. >> really thought about this, haven't i? >> have i have just in a split second, i think i'd marry sunak. i'd probably have to kiss farage and avoid starmer. >> i hate to say it, but i'm going to say the same. you'd be stupid not to marry sooner, wouldn't you? and actually, out of the three, he's probably the most attractive kiss farage avoid starmer. >> i'm not going to say i would kiss farage because they'll neveh kiss farage because they'll never, you know, he'll never be able to look at me in the same way . i'm able to look at me in the same way. i'm going to say clip it. >> yeah, exactly. >> yeah, exactly. >> i would marry nigel farage. so there you go. and i'll go and kiss him. yes, yes. and, and then, perhaps give sunak a peck and avoid sir keir starmer at fall asleep. >> yeah, i'm with darren, actually , because, yeah, i think

actually, because, yeah, i think farage would be great on a on a friday night, wouldn't he? down to the pub, you know, good chat. i think you'd get. i'd get, i'd get dead bored listening to either starmer or sunak in a marriage for the rest of my life. i think that'd be pretty awful if you were out shopping with the money, it would be. >> well, maybe. >> well, maybe. >> yeah, that'd be fine. >> yeah, that'd be fine. >> i would marry keir starmer, because he's stable and loyal and has a long term and is. >> that's a toolmaker. >> that's a toolmaker. >> and, i would benjamin's the tool. i'd. i'd kiss sunak , which tool. i'd. i'd kiss sunak, which is not something i ever thought i'd say on air, because, you know, you get a nice meal out of him or something. he can afford that. then i'd avoid farage. because, you know, i don't want that horrible fag stench . that horrible fag stench. >> no. or i don't know. i don't know what you were gonna say. >> then write this next from daniela daniela's written in, and she says, my other half has asked me to stop sending him so many whatsapp messages because he feels under pressure to come up with witty replies. i don't care if his replies are especially witty or not. please could you tell him they're bonng could you tell him they're boring replies are okay. do you get tired of needy whatsapps ? get tired of needy whatsapps? >> i'd say that was a little i'm

going to say this only it was a little bit needy. her message was, yeah, because why do you need him to reply all day? i think step back, be aloof , make think step back, be aloof, make him chase. >> you know, i think there's nothing wrong with boring whatsapp. so, danielle, your partner needs to just whatsapp you more. i'm not into all of this. make him wait, make him pay this. make him wait, make him pay whatever. all of this stuff. try and be cool. >> just send a what would you make? danielle wait. yeah, absolutely. >> i think rene's nailed it. you've got to have a little bit of fun. you got to have a little bit of a chase. keep the fire going in your relationship. yes, absolutely. >> and i just wish someone would whatsapp this is in from dana says i'm looking forward to england versus serbia at euro 2024 tomorrow evening. >> who would you five select to partner declan rice in the centre of our midfield? >> benjamin butterworth. this is a joke. >> roger federer. >> roger federer. >> hahaha beyonce knowles yeah, it's declan rice . is that like it's declan rice. is that like 999 it's declan rice. is that like egg fried or i really don't know anything about sean rice . anything about sean rice. >> i'm just pleased to see that

people that play for newcastle united like anthony gordon, are doing so well. i think he's a real treat. and, but i'm afraid that this bombshell, this, this, this treat has come to an end because thank you very much to our guests tonight, by the way , our guests tonight, by the way, doctor renee and of course, alex armstrong. but eileen has written , written in about alex written, written in about alex armstrong. >> she says not another one. >> she says not another one. >> alex armstrong has a touch of the errol flynn about him with that face and head. >> am i try and do that. >> am i try and do that. >> should i try and do the, am i allowed to say they're not one of these young men on our panel? all right, flynn was no, no idea. >> i didn't actually he did die 60 years before i was born. >> so perhaps there's a reason. >> so perhaps there's a reason. >> speaking of a man that's getting on and past his prime makes the brilliant leo kearse. with the saturday night showdown .thank with the saturday night showdown . thank you very much for watching. we'll see you again next week. leo kearse is going to hit me now . to hit me now. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers. sponsors of

weather on gb news. >> hello and welcome to your gb news weather update brought to you by the met office. well it's going to be quite an unsettled weekend with some showers, some longer spells of rain, even some thunder at times this evening. and it's all because of this area of low pressure which is swirling around the uk , sticking swirling around the uk, sticking around for saturday and also sunday into this evening we'll see plenty of showers move their way across the uk. these a little bit heavy at times, particularly across central areas, and we'll also start to see some longer outbreaks of rain move their way southwards into parts of scotland. and a fair amount of rain around tonight, which means it's going tonight, which means it's going to be a mild night on offer. so to be a mild night on offer. so to start off on sunday, then these outbreaks of rain will slowly move their way southwards across parts of scotland. this could be a little bit heavy at times, particularly as it does push up over the hills elsewhere. it's going to be a bit of a mix, some clearer

spells, but also still the odd shower at times too. a little bit blustery across the north—west of scotland and a little bit blustery for a time across southern parts of the uk, but winds generally easing by the time we reach sunday morning. on the whole. then for the second half of the weekend, a fairly unsettled day with showers, some longer spells of rain and as the winds ease across the south, the showers will be fairly slow moving at times , but there should still be times, but there should still be plenty of sunshine in between those showers and the rain across the north will gradually break its way up through the course of the afternoon as well. a little bit warmer compared to today. 21 degrees across the southeast , today. 21 degrees across the southeast, perhaps even 22 degrees if we see those prolonged , sunnier spells to prolonged, sunnier spells to start the week, then still plenty of showers across the northern half of the uk. still merging at times to bring longer spells of rain. but overall a largely dry day across parts of the south and southeast, we're still plenty of that sunshine on offer. there will still be some showers in the outlook from wednesday onwards. plenty of dry

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gb news. >> hello there. coming up in the saturday night showdown. we've got the fallout from the european elections with riots, tears, and macron saying he'll refuse to resign to preserve democracy. that's not. that's not how democracy works. emmanuel zuta law and has pride gone too far? kids have been arrested for leaving scooter tire marks on a rainbow crossing, and james may is among the people saying the regimented flags look oppressive . and flags look oppressive. and there's scandal at the bbc as their new head of sport , alex their new head of sport, alex k joel cauchi, claims that sharron davies and martina navratilova are not experts on