once more to the neil oliver show on gb news tv , on radio and show on gb news tv, on radio and online. on tonight's show , online. on tonight's show, political apathy yes or no.7 ahead political apathy yes or no? ahead of next month's election, i'm asking, what's the point of even turning up to vote? and as world leaders meet to sign more cheques to fund ukraine and the war with russia, i'll be asking when, if ever , we can expect when, if ever, we can expect this conflict to end. all of that and more in the company of commentator and chairman of republicans overseas uk, greg

swenson. but first, an update on the latest news headlines . the latest news headlines. >> very good evening to you. i'm sam francis in the gb newsroom. the headlines at 6:00 and we'll start in germany, where clashes have been reported ahead of tonight's euros match between england and serbia in the west of the country. videos posted on social media show police in riot gear responding to a violent incident in gelsenkirchen, with a brawl breaking out at a restaurant. troubles already starting hours before the game begins, with kick off due in the next two hours. well, those scenes come just hours after german police shot a man who was armed with an axe at a euros fan zone in hamburg.

armed with an axe at a euros fan zone in hamburg . officers say zone in hamburg. officers say the suspect was also carrying a molotov cocktail, which he tried to light before approaching. several people , including several people, including police. the incident happened dunng police. the incident happened during a dutch fans parade ahead of their clash between netherlands and poland this afternoon. we now know the attacker is being treated for his injuries. an appeal has been launched for a man suspected of killing a child in a hit and run in coventry. police are searching to find 21 year old dallas alexanders, who's wanted on suspicion of causing death by dangerous driving . 12 year old dangerous driving. 12 year old kehon dangerous driving. 12 year old keiton slater was hit by a black bmw just after 430 on friday afternoon. police now urging anyone with information to come forward . a police officer who forward. a police officer who drove his car into a cow has been removed from front line dufies. been removed from front line duties . and a warning the video duties. and a warning the video we're about to show does contain images of the injured animal. surrey police has started an internal investigation into the incident and has referred itself

to the police complaints watchdog. the animal's owner has also called for the officer to lose his job. the ten month old calf is now recovering after being hit by that marked response vehicle in staines in surrey, on friday night. the tories are being warned today that they could face electoral extinction, with polling firm savanta saying time is close to running out for the prime minister. in a separate poll for the times, survation says the conservatives could have the lowest ever vote share under rishi sunaks leadership, predicting the party will win just 72 seats in next month's general election . it's also general election. it's also forecasting labour's on course to take 456 seats with reform uk getting seven. and health is at the forefront of the labour and liberal democrats election campaigning today, after accusing the conservative party of creating a crisis in cancer care , sir keir starmer is care, sir keir starmer is promising to cut waiting lists, double act and mri scanners and

provide 40,000 extra appointments each week. meanwhile, the lib dems are proposing a £1 billion boost for radiotherapy equipment with sir ed davey, who's personally affected by cancer , wanting to affected by cancer, wanting to see a legal guarantee in place that patients receive treatment within 62 days of urgent referral. ukraine has been told the european union will stand by the european union will stand by the country for as long as it takes to secure peace. the majority of 90 countries to take part in a two day summit in switzerland, and have signed the final declaration calling for nuclear plant and ports to be secured under ukraine's control, for food not to be weaponized and for all prisoners of war to be released. and kensington palace has released a new photo of prince william and his three children to mark father's day. it was taken by princess catherine in norfolk last month and has been shared with a message saying we love you, papa and earlier, the prince of wales shared his own throwback photo

to mark father's day together with the king. taken in 1984 when william was just a toddler and it shows him playing football with his dad at kensington palace . for the kensington palace. for the latest stories, you can sign up to gb news alerts. just scan the code on your screen or go to gb news. com slash alerts. now though, it's back to . though, it's back to. neil. >> we have the worst of all people in charge. the worst in our history. i would say at a time when the world could hardly be more dangerous, a person might say the world is especially unpredictable at the moment. maybe. yes maybe no. perhaps it's only unpredictable if you haven't got a copy of the script. if you're not aware of the little men behind the curtain. there are russian warships in the bay of havana, in cuba, 70 miles from florida. among the payloads aboard are zircon, hypersonic missiles capable of reaching the white

house in minutes. if a person had a mind to fire them that way in the ukraine, scott, american atacms army tactical missile systems ballistic weapons capable of hitting targets deep inside russia. it's my opinion just by the by that britain and america have been at war with russia for a while now, not just using ukraine as the proxy, but actually directed at war with russia. what could possibly go wrong? the ghost of the cuban missile crisis is back to haunt us with a vengeance, at precisely the moment when the nation's of the west are run by at the top of the pyramid of power and apparently senile elderly president of the united states of america, and below him, and dependent upon him. heaven help us all. a motley crew of underlings like british prime minister rishi sunak, flanked by his equally unedifying foreign secretary david cameron , the same cameron david cameron, the same cameron that had to be given a seat in the house of lords before he could flounce onto the international stage once more, and who, while prime minister

himself, was infamously dubbed dodgy dave by labour mp dennis skinner. but anyway, an unelected minister in a government led by an unelected prime minister first of waging war on russia without so much as a by your leave, the kindling is piled high, soaked in petrol, and the sparks are flying. and instead of any statesman with the wisdom to dampen down the risk of a global conflagration, we have designer suited placemen servile marionettes that move and speak subject to the commands of others. others we did not elect, and over whom we have no influence whatsoever ehhen have no influence whatsoever either. everyone expects that monumentally ineffectual miniature sunak and his party will be sent packing in a few weeks time. no doubt he'll simply hand the baton to his uni party team mate sir keir starmer , who will simply pick up where sunak left off. the same sunak who was memorably forgotten a while back as rashid sunak by the aforementioned demented rack

of joe biden. starmer will press on with the globalist agenda only faster and harder than his immediate predecessor, whose seat he will keep warm with the other cheek of the same arse. while the missiles simmer. in havana in ukraine, were invited to watch the pantomime of a general election , cheered on by general election, cheered on by those that either genuinely believe the general election will change anything, or else have so much personally, at stake that they must appear to believe. for me , it's like believe. for me, it's like watching the last days of the dinosaurs lurching and stumbling around, while their successors, fast moving and adaptable little mammals, move around in their shadows. those mammals are misidentified by the mainstream media, wilfully slandered indeed as dangerous right wing extremists when what they really are is the manifestation of what more and more ordinary , decent, more and more ordinary, decent, regular people all over the world actually want, which is political parties that at least appear to be listening to their cries of anguish, their cries for help. across the channel, there's french president

emmanuel macron, another leader who appears as though viewed through the wrong end of a telescope so badly whipped in the european elections that he has seen fit to call a snap election of his own. german chancellor olaf scholz received a drubbing as well, but has ruled out an early plebiscite in belgium. the prime minister, alexander de croo, wept on live television as he tendered his own resignation following his own resignation following his own defeat in all three cases in france, germany and belgium . the france, germany and belgium. the damage to globalist liberal types was the consequence of pesky proles daring to vote for parties that globalists routinely label right wing, if not far right . routinely label right wing, if not far right. globalist routinely label right wing, if not far right . globalist puppets not far right. globalist puppets are flapping helplessly like the empty socks they are. sunak macron de croo exposed as the nothings they truly are , no more nothings they truly are, no more than factotums willingly serving the needs of whomever is actually in charge and calling the shots. as i say, you can spot the up and coming

contenders because they're vilified as little better than fascists and nazis . which brings fascists and nazis. which brings me to the ceremony in the french village of oradour sur glane, attended by macron and german president frank—walter steinmeier, marking the 80th anniversary of the massacre there by ss nazis of 643 villagers in a revenge attack in response to actions by the french resistance . i personally french resistance. i personally find the commemoration of such horrors by our present crop of so—called leaders, especially hard to watch. i observe the bowing of heads in seeming reflection of terrible wrong and then remember an actual ss nazi veteran being given a standing ovation earlier this year in the canadian parliament, in front of a clapping justin trudeau and ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy, fist raised in salute. i watch solemn remembrance at oradour sur glane and think about our own former british prime minister boris johnson, proudly celebrating as heroes. members of the ukrainian

azov brigade, an outfit formed in 2014 with the aim, according to its then leader , of ridding to its then leader, of ridding the world of semite untermensch . the world of semite untermensch. i watch all this and ask myself again who won the second world war? were the nazis the baddies or not? the world has not been more dangerous than it is now, at any moment, in any of our lifetimes, when the cuban missile crisis unfolded in 1962, the us president, john f kennedy, was fully compos mentis , certainly able to make his own way to the restroom when required . and the soviet required. and the soviet premier, nikita khrushchev, could walk in a straight line unassisted by nurse ratchet. i don't know if sunak enjoys being at war with russia, although it's hard to imagine any sane human being enjoying such a predicament . i don't know if joe predicament. i don't know if joe biden even knows his country is at war with russia. vladimir putin of russia surely does know he is at war with the west. but so far has opted not to strike

the match that ignites the fire that consumes us all. having a general election in britain right now would seem like throwing a swingers party in the fast lane of a motorway in the dark, which is to say, creating a tasteless and ill advised distraction performed by a lot of people with their trousers down and their skirts up to just end up with the same old, same old. the other lump of the uni party on steroids. on the face of it, it seems especially inappropriate for anyone, politically motivated or not, who has bothered to read the room recently as i already mentioned, all across europe, the latest election results make plain that vast swathes of populations have finally been pushed beyond all endurance by their globalist would be totalitarian overlords . those totalitarian overlords. those globalists can squeak and squeal all they want about what they call the rise of the right, but the inescapable fact remains that after decades of being let down by politicians in thrall to one world government fantasies, the regular people , the people the regular people, the people so put upon by representatives of a uni party bent on

immiserating and then controlling every aspect of their lives , have turned to their lives, have turned to listen to those with something else to say. welcome stuff about family, freedom , secure borders, family, freedom, secure borders, national and local identity. the globalists have been thrown into a complete panic, increasingly a meltdown confronted by more and more people who see them for what they are. essentially, as the members of an international crime syndicate that needs forever war to survive. the dinosaurs, the old guard have sought to silence , to ridicule, sought to silence, to ridicule, to criminalise, to vilify and most recently, to shut in their homes or to force to line up and receive unsafe and ineffective medical products. more and more common sense people who just want rid of them once and for all. back in 2016, there were two moments when the people the bullied disregard people who'd finally had enough of being either ignored or just treated with contempt by the leaders did something those leaders weren't expecting. on one side of the atlantic, the much maligned so—called deplorables punched a hole in their basket and voted

donald trump into the white house. on the other side of the same ocean, a whole other coming together of people who were supposed to sit quietly in their box voted for brexit to take britain out of the european union. and after that, on account of that, well, we've had what we've had a scamdemic and a hoax climate crisis, war in ukraine that bears all the hallmarks of being enough to metastasise into nuclear armageddon. how psychopathic would a bunch of losers have to be that rather than accept their jig be that rather than accept their jig is up that the game is over? they would rather drag us all into the abyss with them. how ironic. amid all the talk of democracy up to and including the lying claptrap about the war in ukraine being about defending democracy in a country where there is none, that it was an actual manifestation and products of actual democracy. trump in the white house and brexit for britain that made the totalitarians drop their masks and reveal themselves for what they are, the enemies of democracy, and to effectively

declare that silly old troublesome democracy was not for the likes of you and me anyway . and there had to be anyway. and there had to be burned down and replaced. with the advent of digital serfdom. here's the thing i say again that the world has never been more dangerous than right now, largely on account of our being cursed with so—called leaders of absolutely the lowest calibre kakistocracy for all whatever reason, we have the worst of men and women at the worst of times. and so it's no coincidence that it's right now that people all over the world are rejecting the choice. that is no choice at all. across europe and in the united states as well. the corrupted old guard and their lackeys in the mainstream media and elsewhere would actually have us believe it really is their way or the highway here. they don't want you looking at anyone but them being the last of the conservatives and the labour party that hates workers in the us. the red and blue tried to pretend that other candidates of other parties simply don't exist on both sides of the atlantic. the incumbents behave like toddlers who believe

that if they close their eyes, the thing that scares them disappears. just vote for one of us. they still say in blue shirts or red shirts. it makes no difference. and under absolutely no circumstances dare to contemplate those awful fascists and nazis over there with their dangerous talk of freedom, rights and democracy. anyway they say if it's nazis you want, then offer your support and money to these proper, good old fashioned nazis we have over here. the ones that helped us win the second world war against the russians. and if that makes no sense to you, if you know the truth is literally the opposite of what we're being told, then it's because you, like so many around the world now, have woken up to recognise the truth and to remember who the truth and to remember who the bad guys actually are. i'm joined by greg swensen. greg, it's been said not by me, but by a much wiser head that weak men create bad times. is that where we are? >> totally. i mean , look, look >> totally. i mean, look, look at the picture from the g7 meeting where, you know, meloni is really the only person on the

stage that's not weak. and we might disagree with her on certain things like ukraine and russia. but, you know, generally speaking, all of these leaders are dead men walking. i mean, they've all been either voted out of office or they're polling 30 points below the competition. so that's refreshing in many ways, though, i think we are in a sea of change. unfortunately we're going the other way here in the uk with labour coming in, but it's refreshing to see reform. it's refreshing to see nigel and same in the us. it's refreshing to see that people have grown, have just become fed up with the uni party. it's almost laughable to me that it's happening in the us. >> the, the attempts being made to keep anyone but democrats or republicans off of the ballot. right. you know that robert kennedy is to be somehow made invisible. and similarly here, you know, there's this this belief certainly in the mainstream media that's being that's being inculcated that we don't look at anyone but tory or

laboun don't look at anyone but tory or labour, just vote for the establishment. right. >> and that's, you know, the system really protects the two parties in the us. it probably a little less so here in the uk. but but i think what you found with, with trump was that he was getting pushback from the party as much as he was from, from the democrats. so, you know, he was really a rebel. and in many ways, obviously a disrupter . ways, obviously a disrupter. but, you know, they tried their best to keep him down. biden did the same thing. or the democrats in power have done the same thing more recently by keeping rfk jr out of the process. and good for him that he went independent because he couldn't get a fair shot. they literally kept him off the ballot in florida and north carolina the same way they tried to get trump off the ballot in several states. so it's the and i find it amusing when they claim that we have to protect democracy. don't elect donald trump. he's you know, it'll be the end of democracy. they love that line. and yet they're undermining democracy and the constitution at every with every chance to have by any means necessary.

that's how they operate. >> do you think if trump gets in, if trump gets in this time around , do you think he'll be around, do you think he'll be better equipped in terms of experience properly to handle the swamp completely? >> look, he came in in 2016 as a complete outsider. he hadn't been to washington for more than a night or two in his life. been to washington for more than a night or two in his life . you a night or two in his life. you know, this is it's different than westminster, where everybody's kind of dialled in. you know, the finance people and the political people and the media people. everybody's in a little bubble here in the us. wall street people like me never went to washington . i think i'd went to washington. i think i'd been there twice before 1918. i mean, 2018. and so it's just it's complete different. and washington people wouldn't know what to do in new york city. but you know, he went down there guns a blazing in 2016, but in many ways unprepared. and he didn't have the infrastructure. he hadn't been there before. he didn't have the team. you know, obama brought his chicago team. reagan brought the california

gang. right. it's different this time . he's much more time. he's much more disciplined. he's still going to be crazy and loud and say funny things and be a disrupter. but he's much more disciplined. i've been told that about the campaign, even from democrat, who are surprisingly impressed with his with his discipline and order. but he's got a team and, you know, this this, heritage 25 project. they're putting together a think tank. you know, they're prepared. and i think you'll see the swamp be semi drained . drained. >> interesting, indeed. first break of the evening, after which i'll be joined by ex olympian and former conservative candidate alex story to talk all things general election. you're watching the neil oliver show on

gb news. welcome back to the neil oliver show. my first guest this week is alex story. alex is a former rower for team gb who turned his hand to politics once. he left sport once standing as a conservative candidate alex, it's good to see you . it's good to see you. >> good to see you as well. can you hear me? >> i can indeed, a general election looms once again. i am dripping with cynicism about the process and about the, you know, the worth of going through it at what say you? >> well, i find myself in the same category, and it's quite, heartbreaking in a way, because when i was an athlete, i really felt that representing one's people in, in anything, whether

it was sports or in politics, was perhaps one of the noblest things that you could potentially do. and that's why i spent years campaigning for what i thought was a worthy cause. and it's, really the course of time and all the various things that we've seen in particular over the last 14 years that have completely stripped my enthusiasm for the process and have put me in the camp of neil oliver and all sorts of other people like that, because in the end, you realise that you get lots of you, the, the, the whole thing is the theatre of it, which is you raise people's hopes. which is you raise people's hopes . you tell people that hopes. you tell people that something might be possible and achievable, if only we, they could give you, your , their could give you, your, their support. and eventually when they get into power, they just sit in their offices. it's a different team with a different colour tie. but actually all the policies are all the same. and this repeated lie and deception really, really drips or at least, acts like a corrosive on

youn least, acts like a corrosive on your, on your sense of, you know, political duty in a way. and it's very sad. >> i, i, i wonder if, if proof, if proof were needed of the reality of what we've learned to call the uni party isn't laid bare by the apparent determination of the establishment and their allies in the mainstream media to exile and exclude anyone but the establishment parties from, say, the leadership debates . we're the leadership debates. we're being invited to pretend that they're almost literally is nothing to do but vote either for conservative or labour. >> well, yeah, because the machine is obsolete in many ways, and it can. it's only programmed to deal with the politics, as it has grown. in the way that it has grown up. that's the that's the issue at

the moment. i think we are in a revolutionary period where we have two of the main parties who have two of the main parties who have credit, who have leaders with no credibility. i mean, sunakis with no credibility. i mean, sunak is the only person who lost his way to downing street and keir starmer. i'm still trying to gauge what he stands for. and then from below, there is an enormous cohort of people, perhaps , let's say , 46 or 47% of perhaps, let's say, 46 or 47% of the population that really don't know who to back. and this is this moment where i'm thinking where perhaps this election is worth paying attention to because the, the, the oldest movement is creaking. it's still thinks that it should be in positions of power. it should be in office, there should be no competition on to their supreme right to rule and then on the on the on the facts on the streets, you see, is something very different happening. and that's perhaps the reason why we should take a closer look at what's happening and the developments. and it could happen very quickly. i mean, we should not forget what happened, a few years back when the scottish

labour party completely disappeared. now, granted , disappeared. now, granted, england is a bigger place with with more seats and a larger population. but things are that are, are possible. my only fear is if that's possible and if something interesting does happen, what will the establishment do? and my default, my default setting. now is probably close to yours as well, is if the state realised that it's being challenged by democracy, it will kill democracy. and that's my worry about the whole project or the whole prospects of this election. >> greg swenson , that's an >> greg swenson, that's an interesting thought. the swamp here would move to suffocate democracy itself if they haven't already done so. >> yeah, they're trying their best. and, you know, you mentioned you were you were dripping with cynicism. i was dripping with cynicism. i was dripping with cynicism. i was dripping with boredom because, you know, it was the most unexciting election with obviously labour winning. and that's why until last monday, when, when nigel and reform had

their big announcement. so look, i think there's hope there because there was no party of the right. and you're seeing the rest of europe move to parties of the right. and when i say parties of right, they are actually conservative. and so whereas here the tory party for 14 years has been at best a centre right party, but more of just a uni party and i mean, who could have dreamed of price caps and windfall taxes and fracking bans and net zero? you know, joe biden and the left could only dream of accomplishing that in the us. and yet the so—called party of the right here in the uk has done that and accomplished those things. so this is there's time for change. >> it's another break. after that, i'll be continuing this discussion with gb news senior political commentator nigel nelson . you're watching the neil nelson. you're watching the neil oliver show on

gb news. welcome back to the neil oliver show. they always say take polls with a pinch of salt. so here goes. with a pinch of salt. so here goes . but with a pinch of salt. so here goes. but this week, one with a pinch of salt. so here goes . but this week, one poll goes. but this week, one poll put reform above the conservatives as being the most likely challenger to labour. another claim that as many as 1 in 3 voters are yet to decide who they will back in july. so with that in mind, let's get the latest thoughts from gb news senior political commentator nigel nelson . thanks forjoining nigel nelson. thanks forjoining us, nigel, should we have should we continue to have faith in the democratic process in this great britain of ours? >> yeah, i think so. on the bafis >> yeah, i think so. on the basis that you get to choose your government once every 4 or 5 years, and i think it's a good idea to go out and do just that. so if you are , a party so if you are, a party enthusiast for one party or the other , then you can choose what other, then you can choose what you think is going to be the best next government. if you're not an enthusiast, you can choose the least worst. >> persuade me, if you will, that there is any choice . i feel that there is any choice. i feel it's very much like, when henry

ford said , you can have any ford said, you can have any colour you want as long as it's black. when it came to his cars, i feel that the two parties, like the pigs and the farmers in animal farm have become indistinguishable from one another so that the loud question has to be, how do you choose? >>i choose? >> i think you choose by looking at the manifestos. if you've got time. i would suggest that everybody reads through the manifestos and sees which party is putting forward policies that are in their best interests and be best accrue with their particular views. so that's the first thing. if you haven't got time to look at the entire manifesto, they're quite long, right at the end there's a costings, which is the key , is costings, which is the key, is what the parties are putting forward affordable. does it make sense? they're actually quite simple . they're not. you don't simple. they're not. you don't have to have a mathematics degree to understand these things. but you can have a look at that and say , hey, yeah, that at that and say, hey, yeah, that seems to make sense. i think that that party has got the most

realistic policy . realistic policy. >> i find it, i have to say, nigel, i find it amazing that you can, that you continue and you're entitled. so to do , to you're entitled. so to do, to have faith in manifestos and to consider policies as though, evenif consider policies as though, even if, even if policies are even if, even if policies are even desirable, that they are ever enacted. but i would i would say to you, i would ask you, when you look back at the last four years when we came through the covid era, i would say everyone involved tory, laboun say everyone involved tory, labour, liberals, snp, they were catastrophic. they were shamefully negligent . they've shamefully negligent. they've caused economic disaster. their policies regarding the so—called vaccines to led death and harms for legions of people. there was all sorts of, inappropriate behaviour that went on, let's say. and as far as i'm concerned, all of those people, every last one of them from those front benches, should have walked away with their heads hanging in shame. never to take pubuc hanging in shame. never to take

public office again. and yet and yet there they all are, the guilty men and women seeking re—election . persuade me otherwise. >> okay, well, i mean , on the >> okay, well, i mean, on the first of all, at the last election we had in 2019, no one had a policy for covid because we didn't know covid was around the corner. now we've been through that, i think did have a policy inasmuch as the world health organisation's pandemic preparedness, preparedness plan was already there, everything was already there, everything was thrown up in the air. >> there were policies about how that how such an event, if it actually happened, was to be handled. >> and we were ill for prepared it. i mean, quite clearly we were ill prepared. obviously we didn't have enough ppe. and so it went on not enough ventilators, so, so, so i think that that one has to actually expect when you see a manifesto, what is giving you is if everything goes right, well , everything goes right, well, it's not giving you is what might happen if things go wrong . might happen if things go wrong. so we've had a number of shocks to the political system in this

country. covid obviously being the major one. the war in ukraine is another one. one that was self—inflicted, which was brexit, which was still trying to sort out what self—inflicted, inasmuch as most people in britain voted for it. >> no. >> no. >> self—inflicted in the sense that we chose to do it. i mean, we didn't choose covid, we didn't choose the war in ukraine. it wasn't a comment about brexit, whether it's right or wrong , but about brexit, whether it's right or wrong, but we did actually go out there and choose to have a vote on brexit, and it was always going to be incredibly complicated. we're still still going through the consequences of it. now all i'm saying is these are big events. there was a big constitutional change, probably the biggest since since the, the reformation . so we had the, the reformation. so we had to go through those things and that does not manifestos out. so don't take a manifesto as this is certain. take the manifesto is certain. take the manifesto is this is what they're going to try and do. and they do, they do take them seriously, by the way, this is what they're going to try and do if they possibly can.

>> greg, i feel that what nigel is saying sounds like listening to , commentary from another time to, commentary from another time , having watched what happened dunng , having watched what happened during the last four years, the incompetence at best, if not downright malevolence . what do downright malevolence. what do you feel about this? the guilty people? yeah, it's pretty outrageous still being there. >> i think it's pretty outrageous. and i think bev turner said a lot of really important things on this that there's got to be some repercussions. there's got to be some, you know, i mean, matt hancock tried his best to disappear, but there were so many mistakes made. but mistakes are one thing. but if you're wilfully lying to the people, then you should be punished for that. at the very least, you should be punished by not holding office. if you're deliberately lying to the people. they knew that there was no no science to support a lot of the stuff that they did, and they did it anyway, because maybe they like power, maybe they like to control people. but this is a do you call it a lie? so much of it was. yeah. so much of it was deliberate. and i call it a lie. i mean, look at the whatsapps from matt hancock.

they you know, he knew that this stuff wasn't going to work, these things that he was doing. and same in the us with fauci. and, you know, he just testified a few weeks ago, it was probably humiliating for him. but he deserves it. he deserves to be humiliated. and, you know, he knew that six feet was just not a thing. he knew that masks didn't work. he knew that locking down schools and making children wear masks was was cruel and inhumane. so, you know, these there should be repercussions for that. and it's a shame. and it's also one of the flaws of the, the, the two party system that becomes the uni party system. you need a disruptor once in a while. you know, ronald reagan was a disruptor. they didn't like him in in the mainstream. >> with that in mind, with that in mind, nigel, what about the fact that there's this concerted effort to make sure that nigel farage, whatever your opinions are about nigel farage as an individual and as a politician , individual and as a politician, ought not to take part in these in in leadership debates. ought not to take part in these in in leadership debates . why in in leadership debates. why this determination to pretend he's not there when plainly people here and across europe, people here and across europe, people are interested to hear

what so—called popular or populist politician nigel farage has taken part in the last two. so not being recognised as a leader, though, well , yes, he leader, though, well, yes, he has been. >> i mean, we're talking about a system in which in this country in which and, and obviously in the states in which we have two main parties, so when rishi sunak says that either he or keir starmer will be prime minister on july the 4th, that's absolutely right. one of those those two will be prime minister. those are the head to heads we want to see. then you have the other party leaders, of which there's been two debates so far. nigel has been at both of them. >> but but i say again, i mean, we're running out of time. we're being asked to choose between one party. that was dreadful dunng one party. that was dreadful during covid as leaders and another party that had they been the leaders at the same time, would have done all of the same things, only more of it earlier, faster and longer. how can you possibly, possibly without, as greg says , the repercussions and greg says, the repercussions and account of all of that wrong

even begin to contemplate trusting either of these characters and the parties with the leadership of this country . the leadership of this country. >> well, you're absolutely right that it will come down, down, finally, to who you trust, and again, it's who you trust . trust again, it's who you trust. trust most or least or whatever. and thatis most or least or whatever. and that is what the voter has to decide. i think that covid is not playing a major part in this election because although it's still with us, essentially that emergency has passed the same way that brexit's not playing a major part, because that is done and dusted. we're not going back into europe. so apart from the lib dems, nobody else is talking about that. >> as far as i'm concerned, it's a choice between the cancer you've already got or turbo metastasised stage four cancer, andifs metastasised stage four cancer, and it's no choice to be offered. we've run at a time. thank you nigel, for your for your opinions. there it's another break already. after that, richard sakwa will join us to take a closer look at exactly what's going on with russia's ongoing military activity in

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gb news. welcome back to the neil oliver show. us officials have played down the arrival of four russian naval vessels in cuba for military drills, they're anchored in havana bay, some 90 miles from the us state of florida . the vessels, which florida. the vessels, which include a nuclear powered submarine and a frigate, are being seen by some as a show of force amid moscow's continuing tensions with the west over the military operations in ukraine. meanwhile, g7 leaders have this week been engineering a new $50 billion loan to help ukraine funded by the interest earned on

profits from russia's frozen central bank assets. joining me to consider all of this, and to give his take on the situation, is political scientist and former professor of russian and european politics at the university of kent, richard sakwa. thank you for joining university of kent, richard sakwa. thank you forjoining us. professor >> my pleasure. >> my pleasure. >> now, professor, are britain and the united states already at war with russia or not? >> well, not at war as such, of course , but we're moving that course, but we're moving that way. the russo—ukrainian war is gradually becoming a nato russia war, and the uk and the united states and germany and france, of course, in the lead of that and of course, italy. so it's, it's widening, and of course, this was always a danger. initially biden's try to avoid that by placing limitations on

the use of weapons supplied to ukraine. but as we've seen, more and more of these lines are being moved , including giving being moved, including giving permission to use these weapons, inside russia itself, it's my contention that we have the worst of leaders at the most dangerous of times, certainly in europe, certainly in the west, as you say , you know, the as you say, you know, the russians are in cuba, there are american atacms in ukraine, what could possibly go wrong ? at what could possibly go wrong? at what point do we does someone do some sort of wise head in the room, contemplate de—escalation instead of continually turning up the heat ? up the heat? >> absolutely. everything something could go wrong. it's very dangerous , compared to the very dangerous, compared to the cuban missile crisis, when there were, very , wise leadership,

were, very, wise leadership, obviously, john kennedy and his team, compared to that time, which they managed to negotiate and manage a dangerous crisis . and manage a dangerous crisis. at this point, we have no one in the west showing any serious leadership qualities, we in macron in france is escalating. the united kingdom , as always, the united kingdom, as always, seems to have no limits and is pushing and pushing and pushing, this cold war up the foothills of the third world war. and of course , in germany we have the course, in germany we have the foreign minister, baerbock and others also militantly, in other words, they, they, they are suggesting that russia is bluffing when it threatens, response, some sort of asymmetrical response and of course, when russia doesn't do anything, they say, well, it's just a bluff. well, you say as, some of their commentators there say they're bluffing until

they're no longer bluffing . and they're no longer bluffing. and his visit to cuba is a sign of the fact that this war is escalating into possibly , escalating into possibly, elements. as i say, it's a foothills of the third world war at this moment in time. so far, the foothills. but we're going up that mountain quite fast, greg swensen, no wisdom in the west , what hope greg swensen, no wisdom in the west, what hope is there? are we dependent? actually, contrary to the way in which he's generally perceived or or presented in the west? are we are we dependent upon putin being the calm head in the room? >> i mean, ironically, that might be the case when you look at biden, you look at macron, you know, biden is hopeless. and he's he's yes. you know, biden is hopeless. and he's he's yes . at the beginning he's he's yes. at the beginning of the war, he was trying to have use some kind of restraint on the weapons and how the weapons can be used. but it's been basically incrementalism doesn't help anybody when he when he puts handcuffs. and to add a real dose of cynicism here, the reason he didn't want

the ukrainians to fire into russia and damage oil refineries or oil production is because he didn't want oil prices to go up. he is his war on energy in the us really has caused the escalation in oil prices and natural gas prices. it wasn't russia invading ukraine, it was biden's war on energy and reckless spending that caused inflation, which naturally raises oil prices. so he was he was very much against the use of weapons. so you know, whether you agree with it or not, the reality is it wasn't saving lives or preventing more carnage . it was oil prices. >> professor sakwa was it ever legitimate to call putin's invasion unprovoked act? >> was that ever the case? >> was that ever the case? >> no. it was. this is perhaps one of the most provoked wars of our times. we can go all the way back to nato enlargement and

then specific actions in 2020, 2021, of course, the, the enforced or coercive regime change in in ukraine in 2014, varne and so on. and of course , varne and so on. and of course, the fact that russia's security concerns were never taken into account, as if they didn't matter. so this war, this idea of unprovoked, on the other hand , of course, when you're provoked, you don't always have to react. and so there's ways and different ways of handling it . but certainly the war was it. but certainly the war was massively provoked, including, of course, the hms defender incident in march 2021, which people tell me absolutely enraged putin when the ship entered into russian waters around crimea . around crimea. >> it's interesting, is it not? professor sakwa , that if the professor sakwa, that if the shoe was on the other foot, you know, if you were to consider, for example, the monroe doctrine, you know, and america's determination that

nobody messes with the with the western hemisphere, you know, what would what would have been the reaction of the us had russia or indeed china, embarked upon a program of planting, a hostile presence in central america ? america? >> yeah, we know what the response would have been because we saw it in cuba in october 1962, when the response was absolutely robust. this is not allowed. and so, what we've had is a sort of a universal monroe doctrine where russia's security interests simply we're not even talking about sphere, a sphere of interest. we're talking about a sphere of security, and of course, what's happened is that the situation became exacerbated and finally exploded in 2022. >> greg, it's my contention that the whole world, and certainly the whole world, and certainly the likes of macron and sunak and the rest, they urgently need

and the rest, they urgently need a history lesson. a relatively recent contemporary history lesson, perhaps going no further back than 2014. but you certainly we should all be paying certainly we should all be paying attention to what happenedin paying attention to what happened in 1962. >> absolutely. and if you look at what happened later in between in the in the late 70s and early 80s, the deterrence factor was important. and whether or not you're for defence, build—up or proxy wars like we saw in nicaragua and el salvador at the time, there was a massive defence build—up with the intention of never firing a shot. the intention of never firing a shot . reagan hated nuclear shot. reagan hated nuclear weapons. he hated them more than anything . and yet he realised anything. and yet he realised that there had to be an economic expansion to support this. there had to be a defence spending expansion and there were no wars. and it worked . now, wars. and it worked. now, i think putin is looking at biden right now and saying, here's a president. not only is he senile, but he he's cut defence spending in the united states three years in a row by 3. you have defence spending at 2.9. it's the lowest since 1999, which is very peaceful time. and

we were still enjoying the peace dividend. so now you have 2.9. if biden were to win , it would if biden were to win, it would be a 2.4% by 2034. this is troubling for the world and for nato. >> it's troubling for the world and for nato. indeed it is. thank you, greg, for those comments there. thank you, professor richard sakwa , for professor richard sakwa, for joining us this evening. time is against us. i hope we can pick up this conversation in another time and place that is it for the neil oliver show on gb news this week . there's plenty more this week. there's plenty more onune this week. there's plenty more online where i'll be continuing to discuss the rise of right wing or popular parties across europe, and as discussions continue around online harms. would a phone free childhood be a good idea? so thanks again, greg swenson . free speech nation greg swenson. free speech nation is up next. i'll see you next week. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on gb

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just some spots of rain and drizzle, mainly across hills, but elsewhere across central areas of the uk, southern parts of wales and down across the south coast. there'll be plenty of bright sunshine to start the day. generally, though, monday is going to be quite an unsettled day. plenty of sunny spells and showers, the odd shower could be heavy at times as well. in the northeast may even hear the odd rumble of thunder, but generally across the south and southeast it's going to be largely dry. and we'll even start to see some sunshine by the time we reach the afternoon. and that's where it is generally going to be warmest highs of 22, maybe even 23 celsius, depending on how much sunshine we see. but elsewhere, temperatures generally around average where that cloud sticks around for tuesday. then once again, generally an unsettled day with those sunny spells and showers. these two could be heavy at times in the northeast and the southeast catches the most of the driest weather as well. and that's where temperatures once again are going to be at their highest. generally, though, from midweek onwards turning drier with some sunshine. and that's

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gb news. >> very good evening to you. i'm sam francis in the newsroom . a sam francis in the newsroom. a look at the headlines at 7:00. fighting football fans have been separated by police in germany tonight. after clashes in the city of gelsenkirchen ahead of england's serbian match. video posted on social media showed police in riot gear responding to a violent incident earlier , to a violent incident earlier, with a brawl breaking out at a restaurant. we're also hearing a number of serbian supporters have been arrested, though the uk's football policing unit says no. england fans have been