there because of authorities there because of concerns over potential violence . well, those scenes in gelsenkirchen come just hours after police shot a man in germany who was armed with an axe at another football zone in hamburg . officers say the hamburg. officers say the suspect was also carrying a molotov cocktail, which he tried to light before approaching several people, including police officers. the incident happened dufing officers. the incident happened during a dutch fans parade ahead of their clash between netherlands and poland this afternoon. we now know the attacker is being treated for his injuries. attacker is being treated for his injuries . meanwhile, back his injuries. meanwhile, back here at home, an appeal has been launched for a man suspected of killing a child in a hit and run in coventry. police are trying to find 21 year old dallas alexander's, who's wanted on suspicion of causing death by dangerous driving. 12 year old kehon dangerous driving. 12 year old keiton slater was hit by a black bmw just after 4:30 on friday

afternoon. police now urging anyone with information to come forward . a police officer who forward. a police officer who drove his car into a cow has been removed from front line duties. a warning if you're watching on tv. the video up next does contain images of the injured animal. surrey police has now started an internal investigation into the incident and referred itself to the police complaints watchdog, the animal's owner has called for the officer to lose his job. we understand the ten month old calf is now recovering after being hit by that marked response vehicle in staines in surrey, on friday night . the surrey, on friday night. the tories are being warned today that they face possible electoral extinction, with polling firm savanta saying time is close to running out for the prime minister. and in a separate poll for the times newspaper, survation says the conservatives could have the lowest ever vote share under rishi sunaks leadership, predicting that the party will win just 72 seats in july's

election. it's also forecasting labouris election. it's also forecasting labour is on course to take 456 seats, surpassing the 1997 landslide, with reform uk getting seven. >> nobody's voted in this election yet , and we also know election yet, and we also know from the polls if we're going to quote them, a record number of people. i think 44% of the electorate haven't yet made up their minds about who they're going to vote for. it's exactly the reason why we come on shows like yours to make the case about a conservative government with the programme that we've set out for lower taxes, dealing with migration, a fully costed programme for government . programme for government. >> mark harper there, the transport secretary speaking to gb news this morning. well, elsewhere on the campaign trail , elsewhere on the campaign trail, health has been at the forefront of the labour and liberal democrats campaign today, after accusing the conservatives of creating a crisis in cancer care, sir keir starmer is promising to cut waiting lists, double ct and mri scanners and to provide 40,000 extra

appointments each week. meanwhile, the lib dems are proposing a £1 billion boost for radiotherapy equipment, adding 200 machines to cut waiting times. sir ed davey , who's times. sir ed davey, who's personally affected by cancer, says he'd also want to see a legal guarantee put in place that would mean patients receive treatment within 62 days of an urgent referral . ukraine has urgent referral. ukraine has been told. the european union will stand by the country for as long as it takes to secure peace. the majority of 90 countries to take part in a two day summit in switzerland have now signed that final declaration, calling for nuclear plants and ports to be secured under ukrainian control, plants and ports to be secured under ukrainian control , for under ukrainian control, for food not to be weaponized and for all prisoners of war to be released. and finally, some royal news for you. kensington palace has today released a new photo of prince william and his three children to mark father's day. it was taken by princess catherine in norfolk last month and has been shared with a special message from his children saying we love you,

papa. and earlier, the prince of wales shared his own throwback photo to celebrate father's day taken together with the king in 1984, when william was just a toddler himself, it shows him playing football with his dad in the gardens of kensington palace . for the latest stories, you can sign up to gb news alerts. just scan the code on your screen or go to gb news .com/ alerts. now though, it's time for free speech nation. >> history. lecturers at the university of liverpool are advised to problematise whiteness and heterosexuality. polls are claiming that the tories are on the brink of extinction, and three kids are arrested for driving scooters over a pride mural. this is free speech nation . welcome to free speech nation. welcome to free speech nation. welcome to free speech nation. welcome to free speech nation with me , andrew speech nation with me, andrew doyle. this is the show where we take a look at culture, current

affairs and politics. and of course, we have the latest from those lovable culture warriors, business as usual. this week they've been trying to cancel whiteness and heterosexuality. vie. good luck with that. coming up on the show tonight, doctor carol sherwood will be here to discuss concerns that the recommendations of the cass review are not being properly implemented within the mental health sphere . we're going to health sphere. we're going to discuss a free speech summit being held this week in dublin to raise public opposition to the controversial irish hate speech. bill and jenny watson will be to here tell us about a revolutionary lesbian dating app' revolutionary lesbian dating app, which uses facial recognition technology to prevent trans women from matching with biological females. and of course, myself and my fantastic panel will be answering questions from our studio audience . i have two studio audience. i have two comedian panellists this week, paul cox and leo kearse . how are paul cox and leo kearse. how are you both.7 yeah good. thanks. you should have got a round of applause. >> yeah, i was , but to be fair, >> yeah, i was, but to be fair, to be fair, it is quite a small audience tonight because there's some sort of football thing on apparently. >> so yeah, i knew, i do know because i'm one of those white

heterosexual chaps that they talk about in the news. >> yeah, well, so is leo, but he doesn't watch football. >> yeah, but he's scottish, which is very different. >> okay. yeah. we don't want to acknowledge the existence of football right now. >> no no, no. after the five one defeat on friday. >> so tell me, paul, who's playing in this game tonight? >> it's england serbia i believe. >> and is it an important game. is it fine. >> it's the first. no, it's the first game of the group stages between two of the most hooligan, fan followings in the euros at the moment, right? yeah it could be some problems. hopefully not. but. yeah. no, it's the first game of the group stages. england have got high hopes and, i'm sure they'll be dashed by half time. >> this is the problem with with football. well, english football these days. is that all the best engush these days. is that all the best english football hooligans have been locked up. so whereas in serbia certainly in russia, the hoougans serbia certainly in russia, the hooligans are actually trained by the government to be better and to go out and batter. this is a proxy wars are fought with this big government for you. >> you do you do realise that the object of the game is to score goals, not to beat each other up? that's where the competition lies. >> i think there's two. there's two games going on, going on.

there's the game of football in the pitch, and there's also the cold war outside the stadium. >> well, we haven't got many in, but we have got emails, which have been sent in. so let's see what we've got. we've got a question from linda, linda with a y. i should say let's be specific. linda with a y says, are the tories facing electoral extinction? okay so now obviously every week there is a new poll. this is a new one from savanta. i think it's called, saying basically they're right down, to just 21, which would be what, 72 seats? i mean, that's lower than they'd ever anticipated. >> yeah. that would that would be extinction. well, i think that would be low. >> the lowest since what, something like 1906. >> yeah, it would be. it would be, yeah. it would be very, very, very low. interestingly with these polls, they, they sort of they take the don't knows. yes. and sort of hedge the bets. so there is a lot of there's a lot of people in their 44% of those people still actually don't know exactly why it's even lower. i'm saying that it'll probably be higher. okay. right. | it'll probably be higher. okay. right. i just and we've got this

weird situation where, the tory party don't believe in themselves. yes. and they're desperate . instead of saying desperate. instead of saying vote for us, they're saying things like, don't vote for a reform. yeah. which doesn't which doesn't feel like a great strategy to me. just mentioning part of the opposition. that's the thing. >> this sort of negative campaigning is never really a good thing, is it? but i mean, if we get down to i mean, i don't think it's likely is it of a reform opposition just simply because of the first past the post system? yeah. even if they did get something like 6 million votes. yeah. >> even though i don't really understand because we're at a sort of inflection point where reform reform in some polls are actually polling higher than the tories. so how can they still only be predicted to get like six seats? >> yeah. i mean, it is because of the first past the post system. it was like when ukip won 4 million seats and it was the third biggest party in the country, you know, 4 million, 4 million votes. and it got one seat on the back of that. and by contrast, i think the snp had far fewer votes, but something like 60 odd seats off the back of it. yeah. so it's about where

the electoral lines are drawn and how many people are voting with it. and really, i suppose all of this should be a kind of call to arms for a kind of proportional representation system, right? >> i totally agree with that. even if even those people and i've spoken to people about this, even those people who who didn't think that was a good idea ever. yeah. are starting to come round to that idea now. let's even if you're a labour voter, the idea of having a supermajority, yes, is just not good for politics at all. and the idea and the idea, by the way, that if you were a vote for reform means you get this supermajority for labour, i'd actually buy into that so much. i understand what they're saying, that they might split the right vote, but what it does is a lot of those don't knows, don't know who to vote for because they probably would have voted for tory at some point, but they no longer believe in that party reformer and actual opfion that party reformer and actual option for them now. >> well, this is the thing. i mean, the tories aren't the tories anymore. they're basically just labour. but they say some tory sounding things sometimes, so you're not going to get any difference of policy unless you do vote for reform. >> i mean, to be fair, i've seen reform also say the same thing. you know, a vote for the tories is a vote for labour. so lots of

people are doing these negative. i mean, my view of all of this has always been just look at the policies of each party and vote for the ones you like the best. and don't worry about anything else. i know that's controversial. can you imagine you about it? well, it'll never catch on. okay, we're going to get a question now from daniel, on email, daniel says, will they them pronouns ever catch on? they haven't really, have they? i know activists keep saying, oh, well, language evolves and everyone's going to start using they and them as singular, but everyone's still really confused when it happens. i love those articles, like about sam smith's when it says stuff like, you know them does this and they does that. and about, you know, second paragraph in, i'm like, who the hell are they talking about ? about? >> it's impossible to understand. this has happened. >> you just used the as a pronoun there. >> i did, and it didn't quite work, did it? because you didn't know what he was talking about? >> no, but you're talking about the author of the article, and you said you don't know who they're talking about. >> yes. that's because the phrase they and them is used in the singular as a colloquial term, when you don't know the gender of the person you're referring to. everyone knows the gender of sam smith. can you tell? >> andrew used to teach at a posh school? >> why? because am i teaching you now by patronising you now, ho. 110. >> no. >> anyway, so this is this obviously is to do with the sam

smith's and sam smith matt smith's and sam smith matt smith's story. yeah. this guy matt smith, who i think was in doctor who, he, correct. well, basically there was an interview with sue perkins who we all know about this thing called house of the dragon, which is like a game of thrones spin off. and i think sue perkins was was sort of congratula ing one of the actors. emma something or other. emma. darcy i remember that pride and prejudice. so i was saying to emma, darcy oh, you know, she's brilliant. she's a great actor, she's fantastic. and matt smith was sort of saying they is they is brilliant. not because apparently emma smith identifies as, as plural, but let's let's have a look. i think we've got the clip talking to emma. >> and she was saying i was talking about how amazing that end scene was, that so many big budget things end with the fire and brimstone big action sequences. and so there's this very painful domestic scene by a fireplace with some news being given. yeah, she gave you all the credit for that. >> well, i mean, i can't take the credit. i have to say they are. aren't they brilliant? i mean, i don't know what you've seen this year, it doesn't make sense. like himars . sense. like himars. >> aren't they brilliant? i

think he's talking about the dragons, then. yeah because it's locked off. >> yeah, and he didn't know as we saw passive aggressive when he's like, oh, they are brilliant . brilliant. >> you know what i mean. he's really trying to start. and then she was forced into issuing this grovelling apology for describing somebody who's clearly a woman, emma darcy. it's a woman's name. it's a woman. it's a posh woman. so now she's pretending to be non—binary, which is a made up thing. but it's a woman, so. oh so why isn't it? >> they. it should be. they is. >> they. it should be. they is. >> they. it should be. they is. >> they is brilliant. yeah yeah, it's a singular because there's only one of one. >> one of they is brilliant in it. >> yeah. i could live with that. >> yeah. i could live with that. >> they is a good actor. >> they is a good actor. >> well, she. >> well, she. >> emma is a woman. yeah. clearly and sue perkins referred to her as a she. yes. so she got it absolutely. right. the very interesting thing for me is, and quite revealing, is just how fearful sue perkins looked in her apology. oh, yeah. like the career was over because she'd called a girl a she. >> yeah . >> yeah. >> yeah. >> terrified. and, you know, as a dad bringing up see that headliners panel position coming

up as a career i was worried actually. i think sue perkins would be good @gbnews. and i'm thinking i'm first out. if she gets in. but the, you know, i'm trying to look the same. yeah, yeah, that's what i was thinking. would they know the difference ? sorry, steve, but difference? sorry, steve, but you know, i'm bringing up a daughter. and the idea that you can't refer to, a girl as she. you've got a daughter as well. leah. yeah. what a ridiculous. i am not going to buy into it. >> i'm simply choosing her gender yet. no, my, you said that there are activists who are raising their children gender neutral until they're old enough to decide. >> well, are you doing that? >> well, are you doing that? >> you're bigot. well, it's like it's like when you see, it's like when you see a vegan cat, you know, it wasn't the cat's idea. >> these people are forcing their opinions. and also you shouldn't you shouldn't be able to choose your own pronouns. they're not for you. they're for other people to describe you when you're not there. so if you try and choose your own pronouns, i'm going to use some pretty spicy scottish pronouns for you. >> is she always like this? >> is she always like this? >> she's always. they is always like this. >> right? we're going to move on now, a question from theresa. theresa, this has come from twitter. apparently. theresa says, should the police drive

into cows? what a question. i mean, look, we all we've all seen that horrific video. the home secretary's getting involved now because it's surrey police, wasn't it? it was police. i'm sorry. right. i don't care how little training you've had in in livestock management, even as a police officer. that is psychopathic. i just think you're a psychopath. >> yeah. driving into cows. >> yeah. driving into cows. >> i'm sorry. >> i'm sorry. >> yeah. no, and i don't think you should apologise here. i think nearly everybody's come down the only counter or slight balance to it is that, you know, were the public at danger? no they weren't. the cow actually was just kind of mooching around the only time you saw the cow run was when the police car started speeding up towards it. i just don't i just wonder if they understood what it was. maybe they thought it was an auen maybe they thought it was an alien or. yeah, just, you know, i just don't know. they must. what is this? >> kill it. but what? >> kill it. but what? >> seriously? what? i'm trying to. anything other than psychopathy doesn't make sense to me . what could possibly have to me. what could possibly have been going through that police officer's mind? >> you're completely wrong. you're a couple of urbanite milquetoasts who are seeing somebody dealing with an animal appropriately and, you know,

project. oh, why didn't they go out and, you know, dance with buttercups around it? man, this is a cow on the loose. it was on the rampage. it was on a it was on it was on a suburban suburban street . street. >> it was on a couple of flowers. it lucky it was just flowers. >> could have been somebody's head and also, would you run over a cat if it got loose? >> 100, 100? >> 100, 100? >> no. and this and also you've got to understand, cows are pretty much indestructible. so just spat out a bit of crisp. but cows are pretty much indestructible. this cow you saw, what happened to it looked. i thought , man, that cow was i thought, man, that cow was toast. that cow is gonna be. that's that's going to be a barbecue next wednesday. and no, it survived and just had a little graze on its leg. >> i stood up, i, i mean, itake >> i stood up, i, i mean, i take all that on board. maybe. i think maybe andrew and i should alpha up or whatever you want us to do, but over cows, i think there's a big difference. >> they used to say, like, you could always spot a psychopath when they're a child because they'd be quite cruel to insects. yeah. if you're ploughing into a cow, i think you're full of hannibal lector. >> by that point, this wasn't this wasn't out of cruelty. >> this wasn't a police officer

going out and looking for it because he was he was dealing with following orders. >> yes, yes. said something . >> yes, yes. said something. >> yes, yes. said something. >> no, i don't think he was. i think he was. he was dealing with the situation you've got you've got a cow on the loose. the police. there's been a whole squadron of people out dealing with it, while people are probably getting mugged and all the rest of it around the corner. >> someone told you to do it. >> someone told you to do it. >> you've got all this? no. you're burning taxpayers money. just trying to monitor this cow. no. take it down. >> if you hate cows, i don't even odd . i. even odd. i. >> i eat cows and i, i understand the cycle of life. the cow has to die . the cow has to die. >> whether i look forward to leo's cow apology tomorrow. >> all right, we're going to move on to a question from tony. >> this is also from email. move on to a question from tony. >> this is also from email . tony >> this is also from email. tony says, should universities teach that whiteness and heterosexuality are a problem? and this, of course, well, this is, you know , every now and then is, you know, every now and then we get this from another university that's sort of fallen to this intersection of politics. this is now history. lecturers at the university of liverpool , they've been told to liverpool, they've been told to problematise whiteness and heterosexuality in their seminars. why this weird obsession with identity? when you talk about history like it's

very strange, isn't it ? very strange, isn't it? >> i just honestly, it's getting to the point now where there isn't much other to say than it isn't much other to say than it is racist. because because of course it is. we do the same thing. you know, we've done this a million times. like particularly on this channel, we're always championing this nonsense, you know, championing against this nonsense. if you transpose those words for black and gay, you have got a massive problem on your hand. if you say you need to make gay black people problematic in history, you've got a huge problem on your hands, and it is no different to say, white heterosexual problem. people people of all colours, shapes and sizes can be problematic. and if there are problems. adolf hitler, he was problematic. >> yes, he was a white straight man. >> pinochet . he was problematic. >> pinochet. he was problematic. >> pinochet. he was problematic. >> hitler's parents were. if heterosexuality didn't exist, hitler wouldn't have existed. answer that . answer that. >> yeah. good. >> yeah. good. >> okay, so in other words, we should abolish heterosexuality . should abolish heterosexuality. >> is that the point? >> is that the point? >> yeah. i mean, well, i think they're trying. they're trying andifs they're trying. they're trying and it's kind of working. i mean, if you look at the stats for university entrance in america, there's been a huge

increase in, queer people, which is a way of saying, sort of pretending to be something that's not straight, but you're still essentially straight . and still essentially straight. and there's been a huge increase in non—white people, but there's still a lot of white, straight kids going to university, but they're just ticking the boxes. they're saying, i identify as this. i identify as queer , or this. i identify as queer, or i am, you know, one 1028 cherokee or something queer. >> and she said then afterwards had to say, obviously, i don't sleep with women. yeah, but i am queen sleep with women. yeah, but i am queer. well no, you're just straight and attention seeking. >> a lot of comedians did that as well, like sophie, sophie dukenl as well, like sophie, sophie duker, i think no, not sophie duker. >> sophie hagan, the fat one, sophie hagan, did it say what you think there? i mean, she wouldn't argue with that. i think she's she's written a book called i am a big fat land whale. it's literally called something like that. she's, like, the size of a house. you know, i'd wake up every morning and check my phone to see if she's dyed yet . you know what i she's dyed yet. you know what i mean? she's that level of she's fat. >> you're right. yeah, she's the point. >> anyway, so she says, i'm queen >> anyway, so she says, i'm queer, but i've never had a same sex experience. and it's like, so you're just swooping in when

the battles have been won and you're stealing all those virtue points from gay people who suffered genuine oppression through the 70s. >> i have to say, there's something to that. >> because, you know, when i saw that survey of something like 40% of american millennials, claiming to be lgbt. q and i just thought, you're you're mostly straight. you're just a bunch of straight people saying that i want to be a victim, too. >> well, that's lost. yes yeah, exactly. >> victimised for being straight. it's so boring . okay. straight. it's so boring. okay. anyway, next up on free speech nafion anyway, next up on free speech nation doctor carol sherwood will be here to discuss concerns that the recommendations of the cass review are not being properly implemented within the mental health sphere. please don't go anywhere

>> willoughby sent me a photograph . nice again, didn't they? >> welcome back to free speech nation. >> the cass report, published on 10th of april, looked at gender identity services for under eighteens in nhs england and

found there was remarkably weak evidence for them to be given treatments such as puberty blockers . the report also made blockers. the report also made a series of recommendations, but concerns are now emerging that attempts are being made to block the implementation of these measures, notably in the therapeutic professions . doctor therapeutic professions. doctor carol sherwood, from the campaigning group save mental health, has been tracking the apparent ideological capture of mental health care services in the uk. and she joins me now . the uk. and she joins me now. welcome to the show. thank you. so, carol, let's just start. we all know about the cass review. we've covered it quite extensively on this show and how significant it is for children's health. but there have been concerns that a number of institutions and bodies are not implementing the findings . this implementing the findings. this is the case with mental health, am i right? >> i think what is happening, because it's only two months since the cass review was published. what is concerning is the kind of response that we're getting from the main bodies . getting from the main bodies. we're getting a mixed response on one hand, and we're getting no response on the other, so we

don't actually know what's happening. and doctor cass actually said in her review that these bodies that have previously ducked their responsibility in ensuring that everyone working in this field is treating these young people as they would any other, and they have to come together to provide leadership and guidance. so you'd expect when the review was published , they would was published, they would actually do something positive and greet it . actually do something positive and greet it. so actually do something positive and greet it . so let actually do something positive and greet it. so let me actually do something positive and greet it . so let me give actually do something positive and greet it. so let me give you three examples, if i may, of what has happened. so firstly, the bacp this is the british association for counselling and psychotherapy . see no response, psychotherapy. see no response, nothing on their website , nothing on their website, nothing on their website, nothing in their emails to members, nothing in their journal therapy. today they're still reviewing books about gender identity. and they've got blogs up about gender affirming care. so a member of the bacp contacted them and said, why? why haven't you responded to this? and the response they got , this? and the response they got, this? and the response they got, this is from a senior person in the bacp is the findings of the

cass review are primarily about medical pathways and interventions . lie—ins its interventions. lie—ins its members have no role in either an and where counselling is mentioned in the report, it focuses on the provision of fertility counselling, which is provided by the nhs. this is not true. >> well, let's just clarify this because i think a lot of people are going to be thinking, well, why are the findings of the cass review, which is about paediatric care, relevant to this mental health service? can you explain why it's so important? yes. >> of course. preview only what was being provided, for example, at the tavistock clinic was something called gender affirming care, which essentially is just a child would come in and say, i'm born in the wrong body and they would be fast tracked down a medical pathway to take hormone in the form of puberty blockers or and eventually cross—sex hormones to become the other sex or surgery, so irreversible surgery , so irreversible surgery, mastectomies and so on and cast discredited this and what she said should be in its place or

proper what they call psychosocial interventions. in other words, you see a psychologist, you refer to a psychologist, you refer to a psychologist who does an in—depth exploration of all the contributory factors to a young child's distress. and it has been shown this could be autism, it could be a manner of different mental health problems. and so it is really important before for you there may be children for whom eventually it is something that they want to do. they want to follow this medical pathway . but follow this medical pathway. but for many their same sex attracted, there's a lot of evidence coming out, for example, in germany recently that for most people, a gender identity is a passing thing, which, well, could it be that a number of these bodies are suggesting are thinking to themselves, well, you know, we've got a potential labour government coming up next that wants to criminalise what they call trans conversion therapy . call trans conversion therapy. >> in other words, the therapeutic approach rather than therapeutic approach rather than the gender affirming approach could get us in hot water. >> could that be it? absolutely could, andrew. and i think that

if i can give you another example here, there are two examples which i think might help to illustrate this better, the sps, which is the british psychological society. now they have a very difficult situation because they have some very prominent clinicians in senior positions who promote gender identity ideology. there's a no debate policy , right? they slur debate policy, right? they slur dissenters as bigots and so on. and on the day of the publication of the cass review, one of them put on social media, this is a bad day for trans youth. they questioned the findings of the review . they findings of the review. they made ad hominem remarks about doctor cass herself. but on the same day, the president elect of the cps commended doctor cass and said this is a thorough and sensitive review. i wholeheartedly join in her in calling for an end to the deeply concerning public bullying and vilification of professionals working in this challenging area. >> so that's a very clear statement from this organisation saying that we're not going to

tolerate, in fact, or go along with the no debate idea . in with the no debate idea. in other words, we shouldn't be calling people bigots when they when they raise these points. so has that message not trickled down to the various members? is that what you're saying, i, i wonder how they are going to manage this. so there is clearly a sort of pragmatic leadership thatis a sort of pragmatic leadership that is seeing what is on the cards here. yes, but i don't know how they're going to manage the situation where gender identity, ideology is rife through the organisation. >> but the other problem they face, surely, is that a lot of the ideologues within various organisations are quite scary people, if i can put it bluntly, because they have no compunction about harassing people, bullying them, throwing insults , making them, throwing insults, making their lives. hell yes. so how do i mean, other than put those statements out? and that sounds like a very clear statement to me. it does. they probably need to be a bit more forceful. >> well, they're going to have to do something because, let me just explain. perhaps a thread that runs through this . and this that runs through this. and this is something called the memorandum of understanding on conversion therapy. this is something that was actually created in 2015, and it applied

to sexual orientation only subsequently. i think in 2016 or 17. it included gender identity , 17. it included gender identity, at which point transgender trends started ringing alarm bells, saying, what about children? that's a campaign organisation. this is a campaign organisation, they've actually commented on the memorandum of understanding because they claim that it understanding because they claim thatitis understanding because they claim that it is activist led, and there's a lot of evidence that it is . yes. so the concern about it is. yes. so the concern about the mou is that it requires all therapists and all bodies that are signed up to it, and these bodies are bacp, they're signed up to it . and the mou is the up to it. and the mou is the memorandum of understanding for conversion therapy. yeah, there's a lot of acronyms. >> yes there is. yeah. >> yes there is. yeah. >> which i apologise , we could >> which i apologise, we could talk about this for the whole interview, but if you're interested in finding out more, i would advise people to go to the transgender trend website

and download the report on the mou from their website. but this sounds to be very, very important because if the findings of the cass review are that basically we have to go back to psychotherapeutic approaches to those who are confused about their gender or their gender identity or what they call gender identity, if thatis they call gender identity, if that is the case, then it's really essential. >> is it not, that the various mental health organisations are on board with this and are not internally resisting it for ideological reasons? >> absolutely right. but because they are signatory to the memorandum of understanding for conversion therapy , they are in conversion therapy, they are in a really difficult spot. what do they follow ? do they follow the they follow? do they follow the mou or do they follow the cass review ? and actually, jk rowling review? and actually, jk rowling has already come out. i think talking about the labour's plan for a ban . yes, on conversion for a ban. yes, on conversion therapy. and she's saying, well , therapy. and she's saying, well, but how does that fit with you saying you're going to sign up to the cass review? >> so ultimately we do need some, leadership on this , don't some, leadership on this, don't we? we need someone to sort of say, well, what exactly do we

mean by gender identity? yeah. why is it being enshrined in mental health services if they can't define it? because i've yet to meet someone who can effectively define. oh, yeah. >> absolutely. there are so many questions. and i think a good example, if i may give you one last example, of what goes wrong if you try to withdraw from the memorandum of understanding, there is a third, body called there is a third, body called the uk council for psychotherapy. the ukcp . they psychotherapy. the ukcp. they are also a signatory to the mou. just prior to the publication of the cass review, they withdrew from it because they discovered that children and young people had been retrospectively added to the mou, which is designed for adults, and they felt there was a safeguarding issue. right. so they withdrew and they were immediately attacked by an activist group of therapists called therapists against conversion therapy and transphobia . and these this transphobia. and these this group has managed to raise a petition and to call for a vote

of no confidence . s, and there of no confidence. s, and there is going to be a meeting tomorrow of the ukcp board of trustees to talk to members about their reasons for doing it, and then there will be a vote. they may be thrown out. and in the meantime, on friday, doctor christian buckland, who is their chair , who was the one is their chair, who was the one who was saying, we have got to consider children's safety and welfare here. this is paramount . welfare here. this is paramount. this is what we are about as a professional body . resigned on professional body. resigned on friday. right? >> okay . well, it looks like >> okay. well, it looks like there's going to be a lot more coming down the line here. there is. and ultimately it's going to have to be resolved. is there any way that people can find out more information about your organisation, about save mental health or anything? >> yes, indeed. please do go to our website, save mental health. you can follow us on ecs at save mh uk. d0 you can follow us on ecs at save mh uk. do please get in touch with us if you want any questions answered. we'd be very happy to do that. >> fantastic . well, doctor carol >> fantastic. well, doctor carol sherwood, thanks so much for

joining me. really appreciate it.thank joining me. really appreciate it. thank you. and next on free speech nation, we're going to be discussing a free speech summit being held in dublin this week to raise public opposition to the controversial irish hate speech bill. don't go anywhere.

welcome back to free speech nafion welcome back to free speech nation with me, andrew doyle. the proposed incitement to violence or hatred and hate offences bill in ireland has been widely criticised as an assault on free speech because it could criminalise the expression or possession of content or even ideas deemed to be hateful. this tuesday in dubun be hateful. this tuesday in dublin , a free speech summit dublin, a free speech summit will raise awareness of this bill. i will be speaking at the summit and so will the barrister, lorcan price, who joins me now. welcome to the show. hi. so we should talk about what this is about. i mean, it's run by adf international, but it's bringing together various people from

different political perspectives . is that right? yes, yes. >> in conjunction with free speech ireland , who are speech ireland, who are supported by the free speech union here, who are doing great work in this country. so it's part of this broader movement to really highlight how dangerous censorship in the west is and to push back against it, one of the things about any of these rights that we have and free speech as you know, of course, is a human right, is that if you don't defend it, if you don't for stand up it by degrees over the years, bit by bit, it's taken away. and that's what's happening in ireland and that's what's happened here. and across europe. >> unfortunately, a lot of people won't know this about what's going on in ireland. so i know we've spoken about it on the show before, but perhaps if you could give us some kind of background to this new bill. >> sure. well the irish government, has an obligation, sadly , under european law, to sadly, under european law, to ban certain forms of hatred , ban certain forms of hatred, xenophobia, for example. but they've decided to bring in legislation that goes a lot further than that. and it includes, gender identity , which includes, gender identity, which is different from male and female and undefined. it includes possession of hateful material, as you pointed out, and it also creates a situation

where, there's no definition of hate. so you're asking yourself the question whether or not the possession of memes or jokes on your phone or materials in your house crosses the threshold into hate and that's very disturbing, because i noticed from the draft bill that they actually define hatred as hatred. >> that's right. in other words , >> that's right. in other words, it is a completely circular definition that will be open to , definition that will be open to, well, a completely subjective interpretations . interpretations. >> absolutely. and so the question any person has, and this is the chilling effect of these laws. do i want to comment in a whatsapp group or on facebook, on a controversial topic, and spend the next number of years defending myself in court , finding myself having to court, finding myself having to pay court, finding myself having to pay legal fees and so on? maybe it's just better if i don't say anything. yes, and that's what the government is hoping. >> and that is particularly the case when it comes to jokes. and we talk about comedians getting in trouble for this. but humour is something that everybody shares. everyone should be able to make a joke and maybe it is misinterpreted. maybe it does come across as hateful . but free come across as hateful. but free speech means that you can even say hateful things , right? say hateful things, right? i mean, hate is a human emotion.

>> yeah, it's impossible to know when you say something, whether or not it will provoke an emotion of hate in somebody. and there have been a lot of attempts to try and draw legal kind of parameters around this, but they're all, as you correctly saying, they're circular, they're recursive. and it finds this problem we have in international law. hatred is something that provokes hate . something that provokes hate. and then what is hate? something that causes hatred. and i find yourself really, particularly with the criminal law in a very grey area and it's a long standing notion in the law of the common law world that when it comes to a criminal offence, there should never be any question about what the precise definitions mean. otherwise, you don't know how to conduct yourself, you don't know how to. >> so that's a problem because because countries across europe have failed to agree on what a definition of hate could be. >> it leads to a slippery slope situation where you end up with canada. for instance, in canada, they're now criminalising , they're now criminalising, people who might potentially say something hateful in the future. so this idea of pre—crime comes into it. so if you don't stop it, it does trickle down that slope, doesn't it? >> absolutely. i think canadian legislation is chilling and it

goes further, if that's even imaginable, than the irish law , imaginable, than the irish law, the reason the irish law i think is problematic, not just for citizens of ireland, but more widely is because so many of the tech companies are headquartered in ireland. yes. and there is an obugafion in ireland. yes. and there is an obligation under the legislation to comply with the law for corporate bodies. and so you find yourself very quickly in a situation where, facebook headquartered or meta headquartered or meta headquartered in dublin, could be liable for something that somebody says in germany or in the united kingdom or elsewhere. so i think the general trend, because of these vague laws, these confusing laws, will be censorship rather than free speech. it will be take the content down rather than run the risk of a criminal offence . risk of a criminal offence. >> so let's take the hypothetical of someone using the accurate, pronouns for someone in accordance with biological sex, that individual identifies as a different genden identifies as a different gender, then complains to the police are we talking about a situation where the person who accurately sexed the other could have their belongings taken from them, their smartphones , that them, their smartphones, that they could face prosecution?

>> we certainly are. i mean, the police in investigating the complaint would have the power to seize , evidence, which would to seize, evidence, which would include your phone where you may have read the remark or your laptop or your computer or any other materials. they find that are relevant to the investigation, and they can get a search warrant to do that . a search warrant to do that. >> but the irish government have sort of said that, you know, in those situations, people wouldn't be arrested in these these cases. >> well, we simply don't know. i mean, the government passes legislation, but after that, it's a matter for the police and the courts to decide what whether or not an offence has been committed. so it's very easy for the government to pass a totally vague, circular legislation and then put it out there and say, well, we couldn't have predicted that these scenarios would happen. that's exactly what happened in finland with our client, paivi rasanen, who was a politician who passed the hate speech law there, then later criticised her own church, sponsoring a pride parade in helsinki and found herself being prosecuted under the very law that she passed while a politician , not knowing that it politician, not knowing that it would come back in this kind of way. so politicians can make these statements. but the reality is that the, the, the as it were, the implementing of the

law is a matter for the police and the courts. >> well, have they not already learned this? you know, we've seen the example of scotland and the hate crime bill was passed and disastrously, the most complaints that came in on the first day were against the first minister himself. >> yes, yes. and i didn't follow it closely, but i assume he hasn't been arrested or his his phone hasn't been seized. so it these laws again and we can go through many, many examples that we're all familiar with, they tend to be enforced against views that are critical of the prevailing orthodoxy. yes. and they tend to be in a situation where somebody has shared a view , usually very innocently, among friends and family, or put it on to twitter or facebook, and then finds the full weight of the law down on top of them. and it's outrageous. >> i mean, the reason these things get so far, i think, is because most people are decent people and they don't like the fact that there are horrible, hateful people out there, that there are people saying racist things and all the rest of it. none of us like that. but what we don't realise is, is that if we don't realise is, is that if we criminalise any form of speech that precedent is set for any form to be to be

criminalised precisely , criminalised precisely, particularly when it comes to politics. you know, it could be the case that someone's in power and they consider criticism of the government to be hateful . the government to be hateful. what do you do then, when this legislation is there on the statute books ? statute books? >> it's it. once you bring the criminal law in, you're essentially turning the police into the kind of paramilitary arm of wokeism. you're telling them that their function now is to police these new, social norms, this new form of enforced politeness . and it's absolutely politeness. and it's absolutely poison for a democratic society because it starts to limit and limit and limit the legitimate things that you can say about various controversial topics, from climate change to immigration to the gender issue. and your guest was giving views here. who knows in dublin, whether or not her views in the future would be criminalised. >> one of the problems with all of this, of course, is that there doesn't seem to be much dissent within the doyle. there doesn't seem to be. all of the parties seem to be in lockstep, even though the majority of the pubuc even though the majority of the public are nervous about it. the majority of sinn fein voters are dead against it. and but sinn fein seems to be all for it. >> yes, they've changed their position recently, but when it passed its first stage in the

lower house in the dail, it received , i think, nearly two received, i think, nearly two thirds support. so the main opposition party, even supported it. so that level of, i suppose orthodoxy and compliance with this new measure is extraordinary and it ignores the fact, really. and i think sinn fein probably are starting to realise that, that people are very unhappy about this very interesting. >> well, i'll be there at the wmmw >> well, i'll be there at the summit. can people still get tickets? is it they can, certainly, yes. >> so if they check out free speech ireland or adf international on on x or twitter, they'll find links to the tickets. >> fantastic . lorcan price, >> fantastic. lorcan price, thank you so . thank you so. >> so next on free speech nation we're going to get from your emails and your tweets. please do not go

>> welcome back to free speech nation. >> so let's get some more questions from our email account. our first question comes in from janet . janet says, comes in from janet. janet says, should driving over a pride flag

be a crime? now, we've probably all seen this online because it's been going viral. you know those crosswalks , the big sort those crosswalks, the big sort of rainbow coloured, there's an image of it there. and these kids did this sort of, what they call them doughnuts, this sort of skidding where you end up with these marks on the tarmac. but they do that anyway. but because they've done this in washington , they've been washington, they've been arrested, under what's called hate crime, really, but malicious mischief, they call it , about alleged vandalism, what do you make of that? i mean, it is a road. >> yeah. i mean , it's the land >> yeah. i mean, it's the land of the free, isn't it? america, apparently. anymore. you know, it is. >> they were fully arrested. >> they were fully arrested. >> they were put in jumpsuits. >> they were put in jumpsuits. >> oh, yeah. >> oh, yeah. >> i'm full on guantanamo, like. and these are teenagers. these are kids? >> yeah. who have been told they can't do something. and, quelle surprise, they're doing it. yeah, they're not all. they're really, you know, they've said to him, look, please, this is this is our sacred cow. please. whatever you do, don't ride your scooter over it. and i've gone all i've heard is ride my scooter over it. of course. and

they've done, you know, they've made marks. and it's one of those things in a, you know, in a land of free speech, which america is supposed to be the bastion of. i don't see what the problem is. it's not hate, is it? >> you could say you could say vandalism . i mean, insofaras vandalism. i mean, insofaras like if you, you know, on the road, if you had a zebra crossing, for instance, which is your regular thing, and someone was stripping away all the white stripes or whatever, you know, you could say, well, hang on, thatis you could say, well, hang on, that is vandalism. >> but if somebody drove over a zebra crossing, i mean, if you put this pride flag in the street where people drive and then you get upset when people drive on it. >> and also, i bet those kids wish they'd just like torn up an american flag or something that's supposed to be sacred. just i think what this shows is that we now have across the west, we have an ideology, we have a new religion, and the pride flag is the ultimate symbol of that religion. it's like the, you know, the prophet muhammad, and you're not allowed to desecrate it in any way. >> well, i would have thought that if this is a sacred symbol that if this is a sacred symbol that you don't want anyone to deface, deface in any way , don't deface, deface in any way, don't put it on a road. yeah, that would just be my idea . just just

would just be my idea. just just leave it off the road. >> they're also not particularly safe either. there's been quite a lot of research into this. zebra crossing is designed a certain way so that it catches everyone's eye. guide dogs for the blind don't recognise all these multicoloured, so they just walking their owners out into the middle of the road. yeah, well they're not, but you know that bit just i added that for theatre but it's also it's not it's not good for autistic people. >> it's not, it's not good for people who are partially sighted. we've seen how police horses, they freak out and they're having to do special training sessions. so the horses will march doggedly across the primary. just get rid of the flags, those homophobic horses. >> we need some. we need some surrey police officers to drive into those horses next and teach. teach them a lesson. bfing teach. teach them a lesson. bring out surrey. >> i've never understood this, this mania over these flags. >> i've never understood it. >> i've never understood it. >> and it's become a divisive symbol. so, i mean, it used to be that, you know, we had pride marches and everybody was like, you know, well done, well done on the you know, maybe it works. you know, it was a, it was a, it was a thing, you know, we it was

about acceptance and stuff. and now as pride is sort of expanded to include different subsects and fetishes and in particular the trans community. so now the lisa nandy straight fetishes, i should add. >> yeah, yeah, yeah. >> yeah, yeah, yeah. >> no , the, no, the sort of the >> no, the, no, the sort of the trans community and the lesbian community are at loggerheads sometimes. so some lesbians were thrown off a pride march in cardiff because the trans community didn't feel, didn't you know, they were having an argument? >> that is a very good point insofar as, you know , the flag, insofar as, you know, the flag, actually, to a lot of gay people, symbolises homophobia now. so why are we even putting it up anyway? it is divided anyway , let's move on. we're anyway, let's move on. we're going on now to a question from sarah. this comes in from twitter. sarah says, shall we drop socrates from philosophy lessons? this is a this is so us, so us, who i believe you almost went to do a degree at the school of oriental and african studies in london. they're saying we shouldn't do socrates because he's a dead white male. shouldn't do well , white male. shouldn't do well, there is no written socrates, anyway, is there? >> but but no, there's writings

about socrates. >> so this is socrates, plato and aristotle, isn't it? >> aristotle . >> aristotle. >> aristotle. >> yeah. aristotle. >> yeah. aristotle. >> yeah. aristotle. >> yeah. call him, i don't know. yes yeah, yeah i did, and he was. >> yeah. please don't disrespect our friendship. >> but what is i mean, i kind of think it's fine if you, if you, if the, if the course is focused on oriental and african philosophers, fine. >> that makes sense. but apparently it's not that. right. apparently it's there suggesting across the board in philosophy get rid of plato . get rid of plato. >> i think he's quite keen. >> i think he's quite keen. >> yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. dead white men surely that would be their favourite thing. i don't understand why they're getting all upset about it. that's what they're praying for. massive bundles of dead white men. >> what do you make of this? >> what do you make of this? >> yeah, i mean, it's them just trying to be trying to be walking. trying to signal to all the, you know, the blue haired, nose ringed people who want to apply to soas that hygge is we're one of you. and so they're still carrying on like george floyd died two weeks ago and trying to , you know, eliminate trying to, you know, eliminate dead white men from a curriculum i >> -- >> these are quite important philosophers. it's not like we're dealing with some amatures or anything. you know, this is

well, as plato said , are they? well, as plato said, are they? >> he did say that. >> he did say that. >> what did startle say ? >> what did startle say? >> what did startle say? >> oh, well, you're his mate. >> oh, well, you're his mate. >> yeah, well, i'll text him later. yeah >> text him. it's late. >> text him. it's late. >> all right. look, there's plenty more still to come on free speech nation, this evening we're going to be discussing police shut down counter—protests by pro jewish activists and ask what the party manifestos have got to say about conversion therapy. and also myself and my panel will get some more questions from you at home via email and tweets. please do not go anywhere . please do not go anywhere. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on . gb news. >> hello and welcome to your gb news weather update brought to you by the met office. we're expecting heavy showers on tuesday, but by the time we reach midweek, there'll be plenty of dry weather around, even some sunshine across most of the country. for the weekend though, we have had low pressure draped across the uk, which has

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gb news. >> there's plenty more still to come on. free speech nation this week , we're going to be week, we're going to be discussing police shutting down counter protests by pro—jewish activists. and we're going to be asking what the party manifestos have to say about conversion therapy. but first, let's get a news update from sam francis . news update from sam francis. >> andrew, thank you very much . >> andrew, thank you very much. good evening to you. it's just after 8:00. we'll start with that news from euro 2024. there have been clashes tonight between fans in the build up to england's opening game with serbia. videos posted on social media show police in riot gear in germany arresting a number of serbian supporters in gelsenkirchen. well, tonight's violence came as thousands of fans have descended on the german city for england's first game of the tournament, which is just kicking off as we speak. you can see there live pictures coming to us from the fan zone

in gelsenkirchen. that german city in the west of the country. it's being classed as a high risk event by authorities there because of concerns over potential violence. meanwhile, here in the uk, prime minister rishi sunak has posted on social media wishing the england squad good luck for tonight's game and supporters at the fan park in wembley have gathered in their hundreds. some with very confident score predictions ranging up to 15 nil to england, perhaps a little optimistic. well, just hours earlier, police shot a man in germany who was armed with an axe at another football fan zone . officers say football fan zone. officers say the suspect was also carrying a molotov cocktail , which he tried molotov cocktail, which he tried to light before approaching. several people, including police officers. we now know the attacker is being treated for his injuries. earlier, former police sergeant harry tanger told us that security in germany is tight during the tournament but that authorities are well

prepared. >> if you're in a public area and somebody's got an axe or a knife, if they are very aggressive and mobile, there's amazing how much damage. as we already know from a previous germany attack, how many people can be hurt and even killed. and if you can't isolate that person away from the public or isolate the public away from that individual, then that leaves very few options. so they're thinking about it. they're not just running around thinking, come right, let's find this guy and shoot him. and what is the most minimum force we can use, which does not put the public or other officers at risk? >> an appeal has been launched for a man suspected of killing a child in a hit and run in coventry. police are trying to find 21 year old dallas alexander's, who's wanted on suspicion of causing death by dangerous driving. 12 year old kehon dangerous driving. 12 year old keiton slater was hit by a black bmw just after 4:30 on friday. police now urging anyone with information to come forward . a

information to come forward. a police officer who drove his car into a cow has been removed from front line duties . we've heard front line duties. we've heard today a warning. the video you're about to see does contain some images of the injured animal. surrey police have started an investigation into the incident and they say they are referring themselves to police complaints watchdog . the police complaints watchdog. the animal's owner has called for the officer to lose his job to politics, and the tories are being warned they face electoral extinction, with polling firm savanta saying time is close to running out for the prime minister in a separate poll for the times, survation says conservatives could have the lowest ever vote share under rishi sunaks leadership , rishi sunaks leadership, predicting the party will win with just 72 seats in next month's general election. they're also forecasting that labouris they're also forecasting that labour is on course to take 456 seats, surpassing the 1997 landslide, and health has been at the forefront of the labour and liberal democrats election campaigning today , after

campaigning today, after accusing the conservatives of creating a crisis in cancer care, sir keir starmer is promising to cut nhs waiting lists to double ct and mri scanners and to provide an extra 40,000 appointments each week. meanwhile, the lib dems are proposing a £1 billion boost for radiotherapy equipment to cut waiting times. sir ed davey, who's personally affected by cancer , also wants to see a cancer, also wants to see a legal guarantee that patients would receive treatment within 62 days of an urgent referral . 62 days of an urgent referral. ukraine has been told the european union will stand by the country for as long as it takes to secure peace. the majority of 90 countries to take part in a two day summit in switzerland have now signed that final declaration, and they're calling for nuclear plants and ports to be secured under ukraine's control and for food not to be weaponized . weaponized. >> and we don't have time for prolonged work. moving to peace means acting fast. preparations

will take months, not years. so when the action plans for peace are ready and when every step is worked out, the path will be open for the second peace summit and thus for ending this war for and thus for ending this war for a just and lasting peace. >> president volodymyr zelenskyy there, speaking after that conference in switzerland . well, conference in switzerland. well, finally, some royal news for you. kensington palace has released a new photo today of prince william and his three children to mark father's day. it was taken by princess catherine in norfolk last month andifs catherine in norfolk last month and it's been shared with a special message from the three children saying we love you, papa. children saying we love you, papa . and earlier, the prince of papa. and earlier, the prince of wales shared his own photo together with the king, taken in 1984 when william was just a toddler, showing him playing football with his dad in the gardens of kensington palace . gardens of kensington palace. for the latest stories, you can sign up to gb news alerts. just scan the code on your screen or

go to gb news .com/ alerts . go to gb news .com/ alerts. >> welcome back to free speech nafion >> welcome back to free speech nation with me, andrew doyle. the main political parties unveiled their manifestos this week , and one item which caught week, and one item which caught the eye was labour's plan to ban conversion therapy, which is the practice of attempting to change an individual's sexual orientation or gender identity orientation or gender identity or gender expression. so let's see what labour said about this. labour said so—called conversion therapy is abuse. there is no other word for it. so labour will deliver a full trans inclusive ban on conversion practices while protecting the freedom for people to explore their sexual orientation and gender identity . well, here to gender identity. well, here to talk about all of that, i've got dennis kavanagh , director at the dennis kavanagh, director at the gay men's network. welcome to the show. thank you very much,

dennis. welcome back. thank you. this is a story that we've spoken about quite a lot. i think there's still a lot of confusion about it. what is so wrong with a ban on conversion therapy? >> well, it's the orwellian language game, isn't it? it sounds like a good thing when people talk about conversion therapy. most people think about horrific practices that occurred in the 50s and 60s, electrocute or corrective rape, and most people would naturally be against conversion therapy. but what a trans inclusive ban means is quite different. and what it amounts to, strangely, is this. it says that any doctor at a gender clinic who doesn't affirm a child's self—diagnosis, their cross—sex ideation, their belief they're in the wrong body is guilty of a conversion practice. they've been pushed globally by trans activists as a way of fettering clinical inquiry and furthering the objectives of medical organisation called w path . and that organisation

path. and that organisation basically says that any child who says they've got the wrong body should be given puberty blockers, should be given cross—sex hormones, and any doctor that doesn't go along with that should be prosecuted for conversion therapy. >> so they're basically conflating the idea of trying to forcibly change an individual's sexual orientation to the idea of a belief in a gender identity, which they say is fixed. and therefore, if a child says they have a gender identity, you can't have any psychotherapeutic exploration of that. psychotherapeutic exploration of that . even though we know that that. even though we know that the vast majority of children who present as being in the wrong body are in fact same sex attracted. >> well, this is right. the kemi badenoch wrote a letter to the conservative chair of the women and equalities select committee , and equalities select committee, caroline nokes, and she set out evidence very clearly from the tavistock that the gender identity clinic in the united kingdom that's now closed down because it was unsafe and that demonstrated that 80 to 90% of the children there were same children and young people with same sex attracted 35, i should say, were autistic as compared to about two in the population,

something like 70% or so had five or so serious comorbid cities. these are deeply, deeply, deeply vulnerable kids . deeply, deeply vulnerable kids. and hilary doctor hilary cass, correctly, in our view , said correctly, in our view, said that what these children need is a proper, thorough exploration of what is going on in their lives, rather than to have someone tell them, yes, you're right, you've got the wrong body . let's get you down for serious surgery, blocked puberty and crossed hormones. >> and let's be clear. doctor cass in the review actually explicitly talked about this ambiguity relating to the phrase conversion therapy. >> that's right andrew, she used the word harmful and she said, look, it is harmful to conflate art therapists and doctors just doing their job with this idea of conversion therapy. now, the reason doctor cass felt the need to say that was that she knew very well that some ideological forces out there push these conversion therapy bans. a lot of well—meaning people go along with them. a lot of people who aren't plugged into this debate go along with them, but their real intent, because this is a

comparable to a trojan horse, their real intent is to stop doctors doing their jobs and prosecute the ones that do so . prosecute the ones that do so. so that's why we take a strong line of opposition to this. this is gay conversion 2.0. this this is gay conversion 2.0. this this is over whelming, same sex attracted boys and girls . and attracted boys and girls. and gender medicine in its current form is gay conversion 2.0. so as i say, it's orwellian to solidify that and ensure that on pain of criminal prosecution with something calling itself a conversion therapy ban. >> so given that this confusion has been explained to politicians for the umpteenth time, not least by bodies such as your own, the gay men's network, but also in the cast of you and we, we now understand. or there is a generalised understanding that a ban on trans conversion therapy is a form of institutionalised gay conversion therapy. why does the labour manifesto say that it's going to go ahead with it? >> it's very ambiguous because the labour manifesto says in another section that labour are committed to implementing the

cass review and wes streeting , cass review and wes streeting, the shadow secretary of state for health, has been very good on this and has said that labour will implement that. they do recognise the dangers, he also responded to the current secretary of state's emergence vie order banning the private provision of puberty blockers by welcoming that and saying labour would continue it. so we can see that there is a conversation and a recognition at the top of the labour party from serious figures that something is wrong here. but as you, as you had on the slide there, the manifesto says that there'll be a ban . says that there'll be a ban. but, quote, while protecting the freedom of people to explore their sexual orientation and gender identity. and that's an ambiguity , it seems to me we ambiguity, it seems to me we need to know what the manifesto and what the labour party have in mind when they say they'll protect people who are exploring. does this mean that the cass review will be implemented? does it mean parents will be safe to have difficult conversations with children expressing cross—sex, cross—sex ideation? yes. >> now, i should say that we did invite the labour party on to sort of represent their position

on this, and i hope that they will come on to the show to talk about this, because it's not really i mean, this is a cross party problem, isn't it? because up until now, we have also had the conservatives being in favour of a ban of trans conversion on trans conversion therapy as their official policy. we've had alicia kearns from the conservative party, who we also invited on and didn't get a response, saying that she wanted to amend the criminal justice bill in order to effectively criminalise , effectively criminalise, therapists who are just doing their job when therapists who are just doing theirjob when it therapists who are just doing their job when it comes to this. so this isn't just about this isn't a partisan issue. this is across the board. >> no, it's non—party political. this problem, i'm afraid. we had lloyd russell—moyle in the labour party with a private member's bill, for conversion therapy . we had one in the lords therapy. we had one in the lords from baroness bert, from the liberal democrats push one. and as you've said, we had one from alicia kearns from the conservative party. so this issue is a cross party problem. the problem is there are a group of people who have signed up to this principally because stonewall mermaids groups like that have been pushing this and

telling mps it's a good idea and it's the right thing to do, and they haven't looked sufficiently at the problems that they might cause. as you might remember, alicia kearns bill for the conservatives was so badly drafted at one point it accidentally criminalised private prayer , this is the private prayer, this is the danger with these bills, i'm afraid they have extraordinary, effects. if they're not drafted carefully. a similar bill, for example, in the australian state of victoria, has led to a position where public prayer is regulated by the human rights commission of victoria. that's an absurd outcome. >> now, you've mentioned some of the activist groups and lobbying groups who have been influential when it comes to this, but it is important to hear their view, i think. so we've got a quotation directly from lenny morris, who's the ceo of lgbt+ anti—abuse charity gallop. and this is what this is what morris says being lgbt+ is not a disease and therefore there is no cure. what so—called conversion therapies do , do, conversion therapies do, do, achieve is serious psychological and emotional and sometimes

physical trauma to the victims. and for many victims, the repercussions are life long. the conversion therapy ban is a step forward for our community, but we know that the spotlight it gives to these practices may cause pain and trauma to those who are experiencing these abuses right now, or have been through them in the past. abuses right now, or have been through them in the past . we're through them in the past. we're launching our national conversion therapy helpline to support the community and ensure that there is a safety net for victims, as this national conversation continues. so, dennis, can you respond to that ? dennis, can you respond to that? i mean, it sounds very well—intentioned to me. >> well, all he's saying is bad things are bad. but we say, where's the evidence ? and what where's the evidence? and what on earth do you mean by particularly gender conversion therapy? all right. so if we look at the actual evidence, the 2017 national lgbt survey was so bad in terms of its methodology and so unreliable, the government, the conservative government at the time under bofis government at the time under boris johnson, went to coventry university to try and get evidence , it would seem, of evidence, it would seem, of there being conversion therapy as a practice . they struggled to as a practice. they struggled to find examples of anything like that. they located 30 people in the entirety of the united

kingdom who said this was a problem. six of those identified as trans and non—binary, three of them claimed to have undergone a conversion practice. this is fantasy right? there are no there are no situations these days that people wiring gay people up to electrodes or corrective rape. and frankly, if there were the existing law under the offences against the persons act of 1861 would cover both adequately , this gentleman both adequately, this gentleman cannot tell us why we need a new law , given that we have adequate law, given that we have adequate criminal offences to cover this . criminal offences to cover this. he also cannot tell us what gender identity conversion therapy actually would be, and we need to know that because a parent who's got an autistic child and a daughter , say, who child and a daughter, say, who comes home and says, mum, i want to start wearing a breast binder, that parent needs to know if they say, look, honey , i know if they say, look, honey, i don't want you wearing that because that can really hurt you. you can press your breasts like that. that mother needs to know whether she's going to get prosecuted for that. >> now, we do know that this is a situation within the labour

party that has created a huge amount of division. we recently saw rosie duffield, the labour mp, having to withdraw from her own hustings because of the degree of abuse, threats and harassment she has received , at harassment she has received, at the hands of activists. she's had to hire her own private security. and as she posted about this. but to just give you about this. but to just give you a sense of the problems within the labour party, you had a labour peer, michael cashman, replying to this or discussing her withdrawal from her own hustings. duffield's withdrawal, saying she's probably frightened or lazy. the phrase was frit or lazy. now i should say he deleted that tweet and apologised . what is going apologised. what is going through? the head of a labour peen through? the head of a labour peer, a senior labour peer, suggesting that a woman who receives death and rape threats is effectively lazy and can't be bothered going to his own hustings. and can keir starmer take a hold of this kind of thing ? can can he, can he do thing? can can he, can he do something about that? >> well, we would encourage him to do so and we salute wes streeting for unequivocally condemning this as he as he did this evening. you ask, what is

going through lord cashman's head?i going through lord cashman's head? i say plainly, not very much. this was a disgrace . awful much. this was a disgrace. awful tweet from a man who is rarely seen without a rainbow lanyard, repeat . reading out stonewall repeat. reading out stonewall briefing sheets and telling everyone he represents the gay community. and i want to make very clear tonight, so far as gay men are concerned, that many of us say, not in my name. that was a disgraceful tweet. and the idea that someone as cowardly as cashman in in that tweet would have a go at an mp as brave as rosie duffield is an absolute disgrace . the safety of mps, disgrace. the safety of mps, particularly in modern times, is not a joke. lord cashman. there have been two mps murdered in living memory. the threats rosie duffield gets online for saying unremarkable , sensible, legally unremarkable, sensible, legally protected speech . those threats protected speech. those threats are entirely unacceptable. and for lord cashman to say what he said was disgraceful , i notice

said was disgraceful, i notice that he didn't even have the guts to name rosie duffield in his apology. he couldn't bring himself to say her name. he just said, oh, the member for canterbury, that is a disgrace. it was plainly drafted. i would have thought, with some pressure appropriately from the labour whips, he needs to cool down on this issue and he needs to stop treating women in this fashion because, you know, it's no coincidence. it seems to me that a load of women are beginning to say that this is a misogyny list, and a load of women are beginning to say these remarks are so mad. he's attracting the nickname screaming lord cashman. >> well, i should emphasise that he did delete that tweet and apologise for it. and i'd like to extend an open invitation to lord cashman to appear on the show to discuss the tweet that he posted, dennis kavanagh, thanks so much forjoining me. really appreciate it. >> and next on free speech nation, mark birkbeck from our fight uk will be here to discuss his claim that a peaceful protest they staged last weekend

was shut down by the police. >> see you in a few

>> on mark dolan tonight. in my big opinion. numpty. cops arrest a man for burning the divisive pride flag. meanwhile more serious crimes like burglary and muggings go unpunished . in my muggings go unpunished. in my take at ten, the glorious return of princess catherine proves why britain will never be a republic. plus an explosive war of words has broken out between david cameron and nigel farage. we're live at nine. >> welcome back to free speech nafion >> welcome back to free speech nation with me, andrew doyle. our fight uk is a group of mostly non—jews who formed in the wake of the 7th of october atrocities to combat

anti—semitism , and they held a anti—semitism, and they held a peaceful counter protest last weekend, which was shut down by police, who said they were being provocative by saying hamas are terrorists. now, apparently , the terrorists. now, apparently, the police refused to let them move on until the pro—palestine march had finished. mark birbeck is from our fight uk and he joins me now. welcome to the show, mark. now i would like some clarity on that because it sounds kind of astonishing. the official government position on hamas is that they are a terrorist body , so why would the terrorist body, so why would the police have a problem with you referring to them as such? >> yeah, this is an ongoing thing. actually, i don't know if you've probably seen a good friend of mine, niyak ghorbani , friend of mine, niyak ghorbani, the iranian, activist who's been become famous for showing the hamas a terrorist posters and constantly getting in trouble with the police being arrested . with the police being arrested. a number of articles in the telegraph about him , bail telegraph about him, bail conditions being set that are onerous and that kind of thing. so it does seem to be a problem that they have. >> what's the justification there? because that's a statement of fact.

>> exactly. >> exactly. >> so is the justification that the police are saying what, that this is needlessly provocative or likely to stir up some kind of violence. >> exactly. and that what seems to be happening, although people are using the two tier policing idea, what seems to be happening is that the larger the group is , is that the larger the group is, the less likely they are to intervene. so what that means is if you have something like the palestine solidarity campaign marching through the streets of london in their hundreds of thousands, then it becomes provocative to state the law. you know, i understand you could say there's a 30 mile an hour speed limit. and then they would the police would say, you're being provocative because there's more of them than there are of us. >> so i mean, just to play the other side, i mean, the police do have a job to do in terms of keeping the peace. if it is the case that they they are under—resourced and could not possibly stop violence if the if the mob is large enough, do you have any sympathy with that perspective, well, i think i do some to some extent . so i've some to some extent. so i've beenin some to some extent. so i've been in situations where they've actually done a very good job. so myself and nick have done a couple of counter protests. i did one on my own outside, downing street in whitehall, and

there were about 10,000 people. and the police formed a ring around me, and i was having things shouted at me. people fipped things shouted at me. people ripped posters off me, but the police stayed there as long as i wanted to be there. >> so they did protect your right to protest? yeah. >> so they and they are very clear on that as well. they know. they do know when you get talking to them that their job is to protect people's right to protest. yes, so that's positive. >> that is. >> that is. >> but what happens specifically with this protest ? with this protest? >> so as you said, we were accused of being provocative, breaching the peace. they moved us back away. so we were above temple tube station, which is quite a good view. the march was coming past and people then got very, very angry, started shouting obscenities. at one point ripped an israeli flag from somebody which they tried to set on fire. ironic given the item you were discussing earlier about pride flags, and the police pushed us back so that we were not visible to the march . were not visible to the march. okay. they then said, though this is the so that's the first

thing which you've already mentioned, which is the breach of the peace idea. but then the second thing they said is that we shouldn't have actually been there. who said this to you? >> the officer in question. >> the officer in question. >> exactly. yeah. the officer in question. and the reason we shouldn't have been there is because there was another protest going on by a great campaigning group called enough is enough , and they're mainly is enough, and they're mainly jewish group, you know, and they have different goals and different aims to us. we often join them because there's very liveli, very loud. there's usually a party atmosphere. so their great protest, yes, but we need to do our own thing. now. what the police said is that under section 14, if you were part of the enough is enough protest, you couldn't go and protest, you couldn't go and protest somewhere else. okay. so they then use section 14 of the pubuc they then use section 14 of the public order act to say to us, we believe you are part of that protest. you must go back there right ? so effectively, they're right? so effectively, they're essentially saying that on any given day, there can only be one protest against the palestine solidarity campaign, which obviously is a nonsense. >> well, it is a nonsense. yeah, it sounds quite bureaucratic and needlessly so, because we still have a right to peaceful protest

in this country, even if i want to do it as an individual, it disconnected from any group. i shouldn't be disqualified simply because there's another group doing it. absolutely. >> and it gets it's worse than that. it's you're quite right. but it's it means that there's only one message that can be said. so it's not just the actual activity where you say, oh, there's only one group of people. so the enough is enough group. for example, much as i love them, they want to have the marches banned. yes. we don't. right. so how can we have only one protest on any given day? yes, our protest is appealing to try and appeal to non—jews to say this. it's time to stand up and also what it does . is it by and also what it does. is it by by pushing the idea that there's one protest with this jewish group, it effectively kind of says to people in this country that this is a struggle far away. it's an issue far away that you don't really need to pay that you don't really need to pay that much attention to. yes. look at all these hundreds of thousands of people marching through the streets. and then there's these jewish people because they're, you know, maybe they've got family in israel and all the rest of it. so it means there can only be one message, which is that it's something you don't really need to worry

about. it's not not your call. >> okay, i see well, we did contact the met police for a statement and they did get back to us. they said a policing operation took place covering a march organised by the palestine solidarity campaign and a counter—protest by enough is enoughin counter—protest by enough is enough in central london. the met recognises the cumulative impact that psc protesters can have on londoners, including on london's jewish communities. the goal has been to protect the lawful right to protest, while minimising the impact of these events. please do not, do not have the power to ban, protest unless there is a risk of serious disorder. everyone in london has a right to protest and we will continue to balance that with every londoners right to go about their lives without fear of serious disruption. so this feeds in quite nicely into what you were saying, that, you know, they understand the police do understand that their job is to facilitate protest in many ways, so long as it is peaceful, as long as it's not encroaching on the rights of others, but you got in trouble, or you're attracted attention because you were holding a particular kind of placard. is that right? >> so we well, it's back to your point that you made before that we were just simply stating the truth. we were stating two things. we had placards that

said hamas, a terrorists, yes, which seemed to cause a lot of consternation amongst the attendees of the march , wanted attendees of the march, wanted to burn the israeli flag. as i said before, and then we also had placards that were linking manchester arena to the nova festival, attacks on 710. >> so talk me through the logic there. you're talking about the obviously the terrorist attack in the manchester arena, which which the horrific attack that killed those children and the and the obviously the massacre, the pogrom on october the 7th. so what is the point you're trying to make through the placard? >> well, there's a number of things there . one of the, one of things there. one of the, one of the key ideas is that it was a music festival. yes, it was young people and you're kind of saying, well, what kind of mindset, what kind of mentality is it that would that would go out there and attack and destroy and run, rampage through the music festival in israel, in southern israel , irrespective of southern israel, irrespective of what your messaging behind it was, what's the justification for preventing you from displaying it? >> i mean, even if you presented

something that was completely wrong, actually the case you make is perfectly legitimate. but even if it was completely wrong, why couldn't you put that? >> well, this is where they get slippery, because what they do is they then say section 14. so as your statement from the met said, we policed the protest that was going on from enough is enough. yes. and so their point is, well, hang on a minute. it doesn't matter what your message is, you should have been over there with what my friends from enoughis there with what my friends from enough is enough would call the jew pen, right? that's where you should have been. you should have been over there keeping quiet 20m back from the road. right? do what you're told kind of thing, okay? and they didn't like the fact that we were much more in—your—face. but it is difficult insofaras. >> you know, we do live in a free society where we have to balance this idea of competing views is, i would argue that we shouldn't be banning any protests at all. i agree, but but, you know, a lot of people are getting sick of the fact that we have these protests every weekend in london where jewish people don't feel safe to walk around. that is a problem , walk around. that is a problem, isn't it? >> well, it's certainly a problem that people don't feel safe, and it's certainly something that a lot of people

in the enough is enough campaign would just say, look, please do yourjob, but i think you're quite right that there's the issue of free speech. we need to we need to be able to protest, but then there's also the issue that you need to see these people for what they are. because if, if, if, if these people don't speak for us, then we need to speak for ourselves . we need to speak for ourselves. so if you take something like the phoenix cinema, your friend josh will probably tell you all about how great that was. the phoenix cinema protest, a bunch of people tried to have the film banned. now imagine what it takes to actually try and ban a film. >> and this was a film about the nova music massacre. >> exactly. it's about the young people. it's about the story that led up to it. it's obviously videos of them enjoying themselves and dancing. and then, of course, the macabre kind of experience of the whole nova. and they pieced together. yes. i mean , what kind of mind yes. i mean, what kind of mind would it take to say, let's ban that film from being shown in finchley? largely jewish area, people with families and connections back home? what would it take? so the psc organised a protest outside

phoenix cinema. they put pressure on the cinema to not show the film. the staff apparently refused to work , mike apparently refused to work, mike leigh and ken loach stepped down, you know, so the mindset that it takes to kind of do this in the in. and so back to your point about should we ban protests? people tried to get the psc counter protest banned. they didn't succeed, which is a good thing because thousands of local people then came out and saw them off, pushed them down the tube. push them down the tube. that sounds a bit, you know, but they basically pushed the demonstrators down so that it was had to leave the area. yes. and that gave people a real feeling of strength and a feeling of strength and a feeling of strength and a feeling of success and solidarity, which wouldn't have happened if you'd had the bureaucratic banning of that particular event. okay. >> very interesting. well, finally, where can people find out about your organisation then? >> so we have a website, our fight.uk. there's a mailing list there. we're on twitter, our fight uk and then we're on, instagram. our underscore fight

underscore uk. >> fantastic. mark birkbeck, thanks very much for joining me. >> thank you very much. and next on free speech nation jenny watson is going to be here to talk about a revolutionary new lesbian dating app, which uses facial technology to ensure that only biological females are present. >> please do not go

>> welcome back to free speech nation. >> feminist campaigner jenny watson has recently set up a new dating app for lesbians , which dating app for lesbians, which uses facial recognition technology to make sure that only biological females can join. and this is due to concern that other apps are being used by men who identify as female lesbians. potential users of the new app will have to go through a process when they sign up, whereby the app scans their face via their smartphone. and jenny watson is here to tell us more about it. jenny, welcome to the

show. thank you for having me. >> thank you very much. >> thank you very much. >> so now we've spoken before because obviously you had your speed dating event for lesbians where men who identified as women tried to turn up. it created a bit of a problem. do you want to just quickly remind us what happened there, so we were cancelled, then we had our victory thanks to the lgb alliance, but unfortunately , we alliance, but unfortunately, we were stoned by trans activists and they wouldn't let us have our events. so we had to self cancel in the end. so we've decided let's make our own space. let's make our own app . space. let's make our own app. >> so in other words, there are activists who are not willing to allow lesbians to gather for a well, let's face it, a romantic, kind of idea. the idea of meeting other women who might be interested. >> that's all it is. you know, it's not discrimination. you know, there's no i wouldn't call it transphobia. we just want to meet in peace. and they've made it their mission to , well, to it their mission to, well, to prevent that. >> it's interesting. i mean, that idea to say that it's discriminatory in some way.

well, you may as well say that all forms of sexual orientation are discriminatory because there's a reason why gay men aren't attracted to women. for instance, not because they hate women. >> what's it? you know, it's the same thing. >> so. okay, well, let's talk about your app. so you've you've had these activists preventing you from gathering, preventing you from gathering, preventing you from gathering, preventing you from having these dating events. so you've sort of taken matters into your own hands. yeah. tell us what what is the app yeah. tell us what what is the app where does it come from? >> okay. so the issue is that there's a real, real need for this . and we have one main this. and we have one main dating app for lesbians in the uk. and every single time that you write in your bio that you do not recognise men as lesbians, you're banned. >> you get banned from the app , >> you get banned from the app, you get banned for being a lesbian, for being a lesbian . lesbian, for being a lesbian. >> right? and they've even put this on their twitter profile recently after we had some a bit of a, you know , media attention of a, you know, media attention because of our app. and they said , we will ban you if you, if said, we will ban you if you, if you have these sentiments and

people watching this won't believe this. i mean, i even i can't, you know, it's , it's it can't, you know, it's, it's it is astonishing. >> and you have a similar thing with grindr, which is an app for gay men, where they've been shaming men who are only attracted to other men. but that's the whole point. >> exactly, exactly. >> exactly, exactly. >> i think like with with lesbians, it's been a problem for a lot longer. but for gay men in recent years, the same thing is happening. and well, i spoke to sal grover on this show, who obviously has her app in australia, and that's gone all the way to the high court. >> yeah, because a man who identifies as a woman is demanding access to this lesbian only platform . so what you're only platform. so what you're saying is that trans people are free to do whatever they want and go on the apps they want, but this is specifically for women who are interested sexually in other women. >> that's all. >> that's all. >> that's all. >> that's right. you know, it's plain and simple. yeah. >> so you've decided to set up this face scanning technology. can you talk us through that idea ? idea? >> okay. so obviously, you know it's not going to be foolproof, right? because that's the nature of this kind of software. yes.

but i've scanned my own face and it was 99.997% accurate. it's pretty good right. that's not bad. yeah. and one of our developers has a younger brother. he's 1920. we should brother. he's1920. we should i admit this got a wig for him. put some makeup on. and what did that tell us? male well okay. >> so it effectively does this pretty pretty much on nearly 100% of the time. >> nearly 100% of the time. but you know, if it doesn't work out then we have manual backup. yes. we have, video backup . so we have, video backup. so they'll send a video, they'll say statements, they'll make movements and things like that. >> so, so effectively you're saying , you know, there's this saying, you know, there's this other app that exists for lesbians, but who who clearly don't mind the idea of gender identity being prioritised over biological sex. and you're saying this is an app for women who are attracted to other women biologically, that's all it is.

>> yeah. >> yeah. >> and people won't understand this. but actually, i mean, graham linehan , who has been on graham linehan, who has been on this show, he actually did go on to a lesbian app saying he was a woman and the app completely accepted him. and god love graham. i'm not having a go at him, but he doesn't look like a pretty woman, you know? >> no, he does, he doesn't. but it proves the point. >> but he absolutely proved that point. >> and it was. and it was a very good point to prove a satirical point. >> absolutely. >> absolutely. >> this is happening. i've seen screenshots from lesbian dating apps where there are individuals with full beards. yeah. >> i mean , we've so. okay, so >> i mean, we've so. okay, so what we're doing is we're creating a community and it's called l community. and, we have different components to it. we've got the app, we've got a social networking site. we're going to open a venue at the end of the year. but in terms of the social networking site, we have been inundated by biological male applicants and we've had to see some really, really nasty

things, it's taken up our time. we're a small team and, you know, it's so they're sending you abuse effectively abuse and highly sexual content out. and, i mean, that's shocking because , i mean, that's shocking because, i mean, that's shocking because, i mean, that's shocking because, i mean, how difficult can it be for them to say, okay, this is an app that's not for us? >> yeah. you know that. that's absolutely fine. surely. yeah. and why would they want to be on an app with people who don't find them attractive? yeah it's a control thing, i think. is that what it is? >> well i, i would suspect so. yeah. you know there, there used to be, there used to be told that they can have what they want and when they can't, then they go for it. >> and what do you make of activism. they just throw the label transphobe at you. what do you make of it when people say that to you? >> well, i don't agree with that at all because i know trans people. i respect them. i consider gender dysphoria to be a legitimate, issue . and i have a legitimate, issue. and i have respect for people who

experience that. so it's just, you know, that's not a that's not a fair label at all. >> and what sort of response have you had from the lesbian community? i mean, is there a great demand for the kind of services you're offering? >> yeah, we've had, good demand and we've now got a wait list. oh, really? yeah, it's got quite. yeah, it's. >> so do you want to tell us just any more about where people can find out information about it and how they can sign up if you just go on to the website? >> so it's l community .co.uk. yes. and then you can sign up to the waitlist because we've got a bit of a backlog at the moment, so. well, it's clearly there's clearly a big demand then. >> so you're doing something right. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> because it's the it's the first one. and that's so insane. you know if you think about it right . right. >> you know the main lesbian app in the uk , they don't actually in the uk, they don't actually recognise signs. and so we're going to change that . well and going to change that. well and that's i think that's a you know it's a pretty big thing. >> absolutely incredible that it

has to be done. but well done for doing it. jenny watson, thanks so much forjoining me. thank you for having me. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> and next up on free speech nation, trump supporters are asked if the planet is flat. >> a rishi sunak spoof goes viral and a scotland fan causes trouble at the euro 2024 tournament. it's almost time for social sensations. please don't go anywhere

>> welcome back to free speech nafion >> welcome back to free speech nation with me. >> andrew doyle. it's time for social sensations. that's the part of the show where we look at what's been going viral this week on social media. so first up, let's have a look at this video. this is some donald trump supporters. they were asked one of the great scientific riddles of the great scientific riddles of the great scientific riddles of the age. >> the earth, round or flat earth is flat . do you think the earth is flat. do you think the earth is round or flat ? earth is round or flat? >> i know we didn't go to the moon. >> we didn't go to the moon? >> we didn't go to the moon? >> no, we didn't go to the moon.

>> no, we didn't go to the moon. >> why do you say that? because you can't get out of the atmosphere round or flat . atmosphere round or flat. >> i'm not really sure. you're not sure? >> it could be flat. could be. >> it could be flat. could be. >> it could be flat. could be. >> i mean, the thing is, i think if you speak to enough people , if you speak to enough people, you could probably find some people who don't know that the earth is not, in fact, flat. >> yes. >> yes. >> or is it just that, you know, they're talking to, i don't know, some sort of. >> the idea of this video really is that they're talking to trump supporters and they're trying to make out trump supporters are stupid, right, the deplorables as, yes. >> but i would suggest that 99.9% of trump supporters are aware that the earth is not flat. >> the fakes, nasa photographs. oh, you think that's right? >> do you think the earth could be flat layer? >> the earth is flat. i've seen it. yeah. look at the floor in here. do you see? you see a big curve in it? no. it's flat. it's totally flat. >> guess that's science, ladies and gentlemen. guess. >> spirit level. it'll teach you everything you need to know. >> it's mean asking them that question. >> yeah , i mean, they're >> yeah, i mean, they're obviously, you know, it's a big question. and they probably discarded a lot of people saying, you know, actually, yes, i believe we're we're in a spheroid that's orbiting the

sun. i believe in the heliocentric system. no, i mean, the thing is, what's the difference between saying the earth is flat and saying, like a transgender person who's a woman? like what? >> biden's. >> biden's. >> well , it's >> biden's. >> well, it's an ideology. >> well, it's an ideology. >> yeah. okay. so there's this. okay, so the problem is it's to do with the science, i suppose. >> yeah, yeah. >> yeah, yeah. >> and we're in a phase where we're rejecting science wholesale. >> yeah. okay. well that's interesting. let's move on to this one. this is rishi sunak who gave an interview. he said that one of his hardships growing up was that he didn't have sky tv, let's have a look. >> sky tv that was something that we never had growing up, actually . actually. >> so of course someone made a meme, but , >> so of course someone made a meme, but, you know, i, i kind of feel sorry for him in a way. like, i think he was probably put on the spot and he didn't quite know what to say. >> what do you think? yeah, he, he i mean, he probably in hindsight should have said, you know, i had a quite privileged

upbringing or he didn't have a especially privileged . g- 'ng|n upbn upbringing. >> his, his parents were pharmacists in southampton. he lived in southampton. dad's a doctor . lived in southampton. dad's a doctor. yeah. that's quite privileged. they were still in southampton though. leo >> i mean, i can't let your money goes a lot further in southampton. >> you don't have money in southampton. they just trade in like stolen car wheels. >> is it a bit mean now that they're making you know, who wants to be a millionaire memes out of this? i mean, they're just trying to humiliate the man. >> i can't believe they're like shouting him down. they're doing him down for being rich when that's something to be proud of. like his, his grandparents came to the uk and they were quite poon to the uk and they were quite poor. and then, you know, they worked really hard and then his parents managed to one of them became a doctor . one of them became a doctor. one of them became a doctor. one of them became a doctor. one of them became a pharmacist. that's great. that's aspirational. that's that's middle class . great. that's aspirational. that's that's middle class. now he's, you know, he was a hedge fund manager and he achieved the british dream of marrying a really rich woman. and now he's a millionaire. >> it's a success story. >> yeah, yeah. >> yeah, yeah. >> celebrating. absolutely no more mean memes. that's the solution. finally we've got this

young scotland football fan who made a name for himself ahead of the euro 2024 game against germany . germany. >> you guys have never seen this before. he was never born with his hand. she's got a chance, never seen it, never born. >> what are you going to say? sorry oh, dear, apologies for that language . that language. >> so what's wrong with the youth of scotland? >> i mean, that's not very welcoming. >> that guy was a scottish. i couldn't understand what you were saying. that's amazing. yeah.i were saying. that's amazing. yeah. i mean, obviously scottish people, you know, especially a kid, he's going to be quite colloquial when he. when he's. yes. >> because actually that's a player in the opposition . player in the opposition. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> it's just punctuation in scotland. >> yeah, yeah. no that's fair enough. >> enjoy the way the adults ruffled his hair and congratulated him. gave him sweeties. >> you know, if he was over 18, he'd be arrested for a hate crime, though. wouldn't? >> well, let's hope so, andrew. >> well, let's hope so, andrew. >> well, let's hope so, andrew. >> well, yeah, absolutely. >> well, yeah, absolutely. >> lock him up. >> lock him up. >> that's what i say. >> that's what i say. >> now, the part of the show where we talk through your unfiltered dilemmas. thanks for sending in all of your personal problems, rebecca sent this one in. rebecca said, i've been going out with a boy for a month. it's going really well.

and he even wants to meet my parents. he still won't call me his girlfriend, though. should i be worried? a month , paul? be worried? a month, paul? >> i would have thought that a bit much, isn't it? >> it would be premature, wouldn't it, to be called. >> yeah, girlfriend. >> yeah, girlfriend. >> i don't know what she's worried about. their labels. no, this is 2024. who has labels anymore? girlfriend. that's problematic. there's 58 genders. >> what about fling? fling >> what about fling? fling >> yeah. this is. this is my latest fling. >> what about that? to the parents? >> no, a fling is a fling is a terrible, terrible word. it makes you sound like a tory mp who's done some of the secretary, no, i think, yeah. i mean, a month in should should be looking for a ring. >> oh, wow. you move quickly. in fact , you >> oh, wow. you move quickly. in fact, you did, didn't you? >> yeah. >> yeah. >> he came to your marriage. okay, we've got a final dilemma now from nathan. nathan says my french other half sent me a raunchy message the other day, which i decided to play for my workmates. when they asked what her accent sounded like, she was furious when i told her. i thought the french were generally more laid back about such matters. i can only imagine what it is she was saying. >> but if your partner sends you a personal, saucy message, you don't play it even if you are. >> even if you do have a reason,

do you play it out loud? >> yeah. no, absolutely. i mean, some things, some things are meant for your eyes only, and you don't you don't repost them in various whatsapp groups. >> so do you think there's any future for that relationship, possibly. >> yeah, it's 2024. so you know, the other person's probably got an onlyfans. >> well, there's probably that. >> well, there's probably that. >> and there's also polyamory. >> and there's also polyamory. >> sure. i mean, to be fair, if i'd been sent any saucy message from anyone, i'd have probably tweeted it just. of course you would. so people knew that i was receiving such things. yeah. >> you haven't. please please no no no no. >> but please do. yeah >> but please do. yeah >> okay. well, on that note, thanks so much forjoining us for free speech nation. >> this was the week when rishi continued to tank in the polls. matt smith tried to correct sue perkins grammar and liverpool university became the latest institution to fall to intersectional ideology. thanks so much to my panel, paul cox and to leo leo kearse and to all of my brilliant guests this evening and the wonderful studio audience who braved it and didn't stay at home and watch the stupid football . the stupid football. >> and if you want to join us live in the studio and be part of the audience, you can easily do that. >> just go to audiences. .com. very easy to apply. come along .

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the afternoon. and that's where it is generally going to be warmest highs of 22, maybe even 23 celsius, depending on how much sunshine we see. but elsewhere, temperatures generally around average , where generally around average, where that cloud sticks around for tuesday. then once again, generally an unsettled day with those sunny spells and showers. these two could be heavy at times in the northeast and the southeast catches the most of the driest weather as well. and that's where temperatures once again are going to be at their highest. generally, though, from midweek onwards turning drier with some sunshine. and that's it from me. bye for now. >> looks like things are heating up. boxt boilers sponsors of weather

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gb news. i'm sam francis in the newsroom. the headlines at 11. well, they've done it. england have beaten serbia one nil in their opening match at the euros. as soon as the final whistle went, the fan zone in london's wembley erupted with cheers . cheers. well, it was a tense night for travelling supporters in gelsenkirchen and across england's bars and pubs. but gareth southgate's side, now top group c. 20 year old jude bellingham scored the only goal of the game. apologies there for the lack of pictures as well. earlier, police in gelsenkirchen also arrested at least seven serbian football fans after clashes with indian england supporters there. riot police moved to in separate the groups after fighting broke out ahead of tonight's match. the uk's football policing unit, though, has said no. england fans are believed to have been arrested and just hours before tonight's

game, police shot a man in hamburg ahead of another euros match. this was the moment that shots were fired at the attacker, who was armed with an axe . officers say the suspect axe. officers say the suspect was also carrying a molotov cocktail, which he tried to light before approaching several people, including police officers. we now know the attacker is being treated for his injuries here. detectives have named the man they want to find in connection with a fatal hit and run in coventry on friday. dollars alexander's, who's 21, is wanted on suspicion of causing death by dangerous driving. 12 year old keiton slater was hit by a black bmw just after 430 on friday afternoon. police are now urging anyone with information to come forward . the police officer, who forward. the police officer, who rammed an escaped cow in surrey, has been removed from his frontline duties while an investigation takes place. the

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