continue creating jobs they can continue creating jobs and drive our economy forward and drive our economy forward and continue providing an enormous amount of enjoyment in our local communities. >> the scottish greens have urged the next uk government to lift the block on scotland's controversial gender reforms. the proposed legislation would make it easier for people to legally change their gender, but uk ministers blocked the draft law, saying it would conflict with the equality act protections applying across great britain . scotland's first great britain. scotland's first minister, john swinney, said he agreed with the scottish green party. >> scottish parliament has legislated for the changes on gender recognition and i think it's important the democratic wishes of the scottish parliament are respected . but parliament are respected. but clearly there is a legal issue that has got to be addressed and that has got to be addressed and that can only be addressed by the united kingdom government . the united kingdom government. but i want the legislation that has been passed by the scottish parliament to be put into effect how. >> now. >> labour's pledging to put water companies under special measures as over 10,000 people have been hospitalised due to water borne diseases under the

conservatives rule. labour say they'll give the water regulator powers to block the payment of any bonuses to polluting water bosses until they've , quote, bosses until they've, quote, cleaned up their filth. they've also vowed to make water bosses who continue to oversee lawbreaking face criminal charges, as well as end self monitoring, and force all companies to accept independent monitoring to stop companies covering up illegal sewage dumping . meanwhile, the liberal dumping. meanwhile, the liberal democrats are setting out a plan to save chalk streams from environmental disaster. it comes as analysis by the party found over 48,500 hours worth of sewage was discharged into chalk streams last year. sewage was discharged into chalk streams last year . that's more streams last year. that's more than double the previous year. the proposals would see a public consultation launched within the first 100 days of a lib dem government , in which rivers and government, in which rivers and lakes could be awarded new blue flag status to protect them from sewage dumping . in other news, sewage dumping. in other news, pro—palestinian protesters have

sprayed red paint on a historic building at the university of cambridge. students and members of the palestine action group targeted senate house this afternoon , a building that's afternoon, a building that's been used for graduation ceremonies since the 18th century. the group says the action marked the end of an academic year where the university of cambridge has funded, enabled and normalised the ongoing palestinian genocide. a spokesman for the university said they strongly condemned this act of vandalism , condemned this act of vandalism, and the prince of wales has thanked taylor swift for a great concert as he shared a photo of the pop superstar taking a selfie with him and his children. prince george and princess charlotte. watching the us singer perform at wembley stadium. prince william was also spotted shaking his arms to shakeit spotted shaking his arms to shake it off as he celebrated his 42nd birthday. swift posted her selfie with prince william, george and charlotte alongside her boyfriend, nfl star travis

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significant intervention. been the harry potter author. of course , she's made an course, she's made an intervention in the general election debate, saying that as a former labour party member and voter, she would struggle to give the party her support right now and it's for one reason and one reason only. jk rowling perceives the labour party to have abandoned women and their struggle for, well , the struggle for, well, the advancements of sex based rights. let's have a watch at this clip. >> i think it's very important in all political debate that we treat all views with respect and all people with dignity. and that's what i've tried to do throughout this , and i'm very throughout this, and i'm very proud of the progress that we've made as a labour party, as labour governments in the past, when it comes to women's rights , when it comes to women's rights, i'm conscious that the battle on women's rights is never over. we need to make further progress in this country and i hope if we're

able to win the general election, we will do so . but election, we will do so. but what i want to do is to ensure that we make that progress by persuading people to vote labour at the general election , turn at the general election, turn their back on this government, usherin their back on this government, usher in a labour government to rebuild the country, but also use it as a reset moment where we can bring the country together and ensure that all debate is done in a respectful way, that i think everybody wants . and so i think there's wants. and so i think there's a real opportunity here now to make some progress. >> but oh dear, i don't know what someone typed into some ai chatbot to get that response because i tell you what, i'm absolutely sick of the way in which politicians like rosie duffield in the labour party have been well and truly thrown under the bus by sir keir and prominent members of that particular party. i think it's a damn disgrace . and frankly, damn disgrace. and frankly, i think jk rowling is making some pretty serious and pretty sensible points now. renee, you are the honorary woman on the panel >> why thank you. >> why thank you. >> do you think jk rowling has a point?

>> absolutely, 100. and i'm so pleased that she continues to stand up for women because she doesn't have to do that. she could sit back, be quiet, and not take the flak that she gets for this. i'm tired of the argument that this affects a tiny number of people. yes, it is a tiny number of trans people who might go into a single sex space, who might abuse a woman when they're actually a man. but it doesn't matter when we've got unisex toilets as a result of that in in schools and young girls are getting assaulted , girls are getting assaulted, then it's a massive problem. we have to look at this debate properly and we should be very, very worried about labour's stance on this. they have got backbenchers who are going to push them hard, to roll back on all of the progress we've made to actually get this put back in the box. >> and do you think they have been pretty weak supine in vertebrae, jellyfish, jellyfish , vertebrae, jellyfish, jellyfish, when it comes to rosie duffield especially, and actually ensuring she has protection from harassment and all the rest of it. >> i don't know why rosie duffield stays in the party. she should defect somewhere where

they're going to actually respect her views and look after her. she'd be fine in the tories because they're almost labour anyway, but at least they do know that women need protecting benjamin. >> i assume you'd be saying, well, sling your hook, rosie duffield, you bigot , not a duffield, you bigot, not a quote, well, look , clearly, you quote, well, look, clearly, you know, the labour party hasn't deau know, the labour party hasn't dealt with rosie duffield badly because she's chosen to be a labour mp. she's campaigning for keir starmer to be prime minister. i watched an interview with her only last weekend, where she talked about why she wants keir starmer in a labour government. she's obviously a labour candidate in the election and so , you know, i think the and so, you know, i think the idea that they've treated her badly is an exaggeration . you badly is an exaggeration. you know, recently a labour member of the house of lords made an inappropriate comment and he lost the whip within a couple of hours. well, that's much better action than you've seen on similar things in the tory party >> and that was lord cashman who said she was frit or lazy for not holding hustings whilst she gets abuse, threats and all the rest of it. >> indeed . and he lost the whip >> indeed. and he lost the whip just hours later and i think it was a sunday as well. so clearly

they were taking it seriously. >> but the point is though, benjamin, that sir keir starmer on thursday night during the bbc question time debate, said that actually the there was toxicity around. rosie duffield's comments that she had made on women being the only ones to have a cervix. now it doesn't strike me as an especially toxic thing for someone to argue, but there are people who want this debate to be a fight. >> they want more heat than light, and i think keir starmer was absolutely right to say that we shouldn't aim for that, because nobody gains from that. you know, for a start, we don't have unisex toilets because of transgender questions. you know, most buildings have unisex toilets . do it because of toilets. do it because of because of space issues. >> that's just not true. schools have actually who are completely on board with the transgender ideology have changed their toilets from single—sex spaces into unisex spaces to satisfy that. >> and that's true at all. it's totally i don't think that's true at all. and also, i definitely don't think you should have unisex toilets. i think it's unnecessary in a school, let alone anywhere else. and, you know, i just think it's

nonsense to say, to try and claim that schools across the country are forcing boys and girls into the same private loos or changing rooms. it's complete fabrication . fabrication. >> you're a dad. do you worry about what the labour party will do? policy wise on these these kinds of topics within schools , kinds of topics within schools, for example? >> i do and funnily enough, two days ago i went to visit my four year old, soon to be school. he started in school in september, andifs started in school in september, and it's a church of england school. we're not particularly religious, but one thing i am happy about that because it is a ceof school. i'm hoping, and i understand i'm getting these messages from the teachers that we met and the workers at the school who we met on that occasion two days ago that those children will be protected from this kind of ideology. you know, it is an ideology. i agree with you. >> from what? what is it that you think happens? >> i don't want my child going into a classroom plastered with trans flags. for example, i went into my bank the other day to barclays. i don't care who you sleep with or whatever you do in your own time. i don't want to go into a bank and see trans flags everywhere i like is not going to hurt you.

>> it'sjust going to hurt you. >> it's just a flag. >> it's just a flag. >> it's just a flag. >> i don't want my. it's not just a flag. it's not, is it? >> it's not just has a political meaning to it, but like a flag is not something that's going to endanger or cause any risk or anyone. i completely understand, and you have a lot of sympathy for the point. >> but hang on a minute. >> but hang on a minute. >> answer this question though. there's nothing violent about a flag. it's a flag. you know, business. >> we're not talking about the flag. we're talking about the ideology that the flag presents. >> and let's step back. what do we actually want here? because i read jk rowling's piece this morning in the times, a very well written, very persuasive. i think she makes a lot of important points about women's rights. it's not entirely clear to me, though, what actually keir starmer said wrong. so what what if you actually look at what if you actually look at what he said, he said you should treat people with respect and dignity about their views. he said the debate had become toxic. didn't actually say that. rosie duffield's comments were toxic. he said the debate, he had said that in the past, and indeed he has said in the past, but he's actually she shifted his position. he won't admit this, but he's definitely shifted his position. i think jk rowling is actually won the debate here in a very large sense, including with keir starmer, where they're very scared to just do anything. >> the problem with with keir starmer is he says that, starmer is he he says that, well, listened what tony well, i've listened to what tony blair and tony said that blair said and tony said that men penises and women have

men have penises and women have vaginas. so i think i'll vaginas. so yeah, i think i'll agree with tony blair that i agree with tony blair that i agree with tony blair that i agree with that. it's not true. >> he actually said that long before tony blair's comments, he moved his position a year to two years ago. >> it's nothing to do >> so it's got nothing to do with tony blair. >> debate basically said, oh, uncle tony said it, so it's fine how. >> now. >> he was asked a question, i think, and he gave the answer, look, you know, people are trying to fear monger and have a moral panic about the existence of trans people. you know, having a pride flag in a school is not doing any damage to kids. but you might do a job of a school is to educate people to the ways of the world. and if you were to deny them, knowing that these things exist, then you would be failing . you would be failing. >> benjamin, i don't want my 4 or 5 six year old child knowing about heterosexual relationships, let alone trans or gay. i don't want to let them be children. i take it. i take it that you don't read sex. >> i take it that you don't read to your child in that case, because pretty much i don't read my child books on every children's book or any disney film is almost in every case about a heterosexual love story. >> yeah, i'm sure disney's right down there. >> well, you don't think they should know about romantic

relationships, then you're going to have to. well, they turn on netflix and they see everything . netflix and they see everything. >> all of these lgbt themes, right? >> should you agree or. >> should you agree or. >> i agree with that. >> i agree with that. >> okay. relationships isn't the same as explaining the mechanics of biology, right? >> i don't want to know who you sleep with. no, we're going to move on. >> we're going to move on. we're going to move on. we've got a debut from matthew lesh. >> thank you very much. happy. it's a it's a pleasure to join long, long time listener. first time, first time participant i guess. look this campaign the labour party has repeatedly denied any suggestion, any whisper. there might be some secret plans to increase taxes. i think after today's front page in the guardian, they're going to find that a lot more difficult. the guardian's reporting. according to sources, senior sources within the labour party, it's worth remembering that the guardian is a left wing paper well connected to the labour party . they are reporting labour party. they are reporting that there are plans afoot . that there are plans afoot. there are policy papers going around about putting up capital gains tax in a way to increase 10 billion additional pounds, plans to change around inheritance tax to put it on agricultural land, as well as removing certain business relief. and this, i think,

raises some important questions, because we know that there's a bit of an unspoken truth. there's a bit of a black hole in labour's labour's financial plans , because on the one hand, plans, because on the one hand, they say they're not going to do any cuts. on the other hand, they're under the existing plans. if they don't do anything, there are £20 billion of cuts planned to departments or budgets . we also know that or budgets. we also know that labour party have said we're not in their manifesto . we're not in their manifesto. we're not going to raise vat, we're not going to raise vat, we're not going to raise national insurance, we're not going to raise income tax. but they haven't said they're not going to raise taxes at all. so that actually does leave quite a lot open. so i suppose the question here is why if there are plans afoot to raise taxes , are labour afoot to raise taxes, are labour not being honest about it prior to the election, are they going to the election, are they going to try to surprise us with some emergency budget after the election? what is that? what are their real kind of underlying intentions owns rather than what they're kind of saying to get elected here today ? and i think elected here today? and i think that that's so important in the midst of an election campaign where labour is so far ahead, where labour is so far ahead, where perhaps they actually could be truthful and they could put forward some they could be honest with people and say, well, we want to increase spending and therefore we're going to put up your taxes. but

they're refusing to do that, i suppose this is really in some sense about trust management, but i guess maybe, maybe someone coming from more the left side, you might say we should put up these taxes. we should put up spending that's entirely justified, it should they be more , i suppose, honest and open more, i suppose, honest and open about this. >> well, if you go back to 2017, when theresa may decided to be very open about her plans for funding social care , and it funding social care, and it collapsed the public support. so i actually think as a population we're rather, hypocritical in that we say, we want you to tell you, us what you're going to do. but then if politicians tell you what they're going to do, everyone says, oh, well, i'm not voting for that. well, then you end up with a situation where politicians of any party are stuck in a corner with this. now, labour's manifesto has the smallest public spending plans. i think it's something like net of 6 billion more or something which is less than the tories and vastly less than the green party or reform, which are pledging more than £120 billion of extra spending or cuts . so, of extra spending or cuts. so, you know, completely farcical. now, you're right. there's a £19 billion gap in the sums which

says there'll have to be cuts of that description, but i don't think it's unique to the labour party to ask the question of how they're going to fund that. that same gap applies to the tory plans. in fact, it's slightly bigger because they want to spend a bit more money in their manifesto. >> but does anyone have any confidence whatsoever that labour will actually stick to those parameters that they set out in their manifesto, point out in their manifesto, point out that taxes were lower under the last labour government, income tax was lower the entire time we had a labour government than it has been under 450 billion. >> the only the only thing we lock down three times. yeah, but but long before covid came along, taxes were higher under the tories than they were under laboun the tories than they were under labour. and the only two occasions in the last 30 years vat has has gone up were both under conservative governments. >> but benjamin, can i just pick up one thing you've said there that if they're honest, the pubuc that if they're honest, the public go, oh, i'm not going to vote for you. but actually the left tell us all the time that when we poll the public, they're more than happy to put an extra penny on their income tax to save the nhs. so those two things don't sit by side either. >> well, they don't, because ,

>> well, they don't, because, you know, when people answer questions in a poll, for example , they're not thinking in a holistic way. it's the same reason why , you know, jeremy reason why, you know, jeremy corbyn will tell you that he had lots of policies that were popular individually. but when people look at them as a package, they think, well, you can't actually do it. i think you're seeing that with the tories approach. they keep saying they'll do all sorts of things, but no one believes them. and so it doesn't matter. >> but the problem with keir is he does keep saying you're right, i'm not going to raise income tax. you know, national insurance and all of that. on working people with a very fine definition of what a working person is. but i listened to him the other night and actually when he was talking at great length in the leader's individual interview, he said, what i'm not going to do is write the budget for the next five years. that's what he said. there's the answer. >> would it not be wise, actually, for to labour not make any of these commitments about even vat or national insurance or income tax , and not say that or income tax, and not say that they have any specific plans to not raise taxes and not try to give the impression they're not raising taxes, because in some ways, actually , you put the ways, actually, you put the problem is if you if you completely rule out raising the three biggest sources of revenue

and they've actually said they're going to freeze corporate tax as well on top of that, then then you have to start raising these other taxes that actually cause more economic problems . the reason economic problems. the reason why capital gains tax is low because you want to encourage investment. so if you start putting up capital gains a lot, then you can discourage investment gains. >> tax isn't even low in this country. i mean it's akin to theft. there's a report out from henley and partners this week saying the uk is set to lose 9.5 million millionaires this year, second only to china because they are so fearful about the incoming labour government. >> that's just nonsense. what's nonsense? the idea that it's like, you know, there are some private schools that closed. they tried to sell its labour's vat on school fees plans, even though , you know, i think though, you know, i think hundreds of private schools have closed in the last 14 years. how much people are leaving? sorry, people aren't leaving this country because they think labour will put their taxes up. people that have big investments and big money have been far more likely to leave the country , likely to leave the country, because it's not a worthwhile place to invest in businesses . place to invest in businesses. it's been a poor environment, and liz truss was the epitome of that. >> you might be right, but if, if no millionaire or more importantly, billionaire, because there are quite a lot of

millionaires , but no billionaire millionaires, but no billionaire is going to stop being in britain if they think they're going to make money out of the economy, the economy being mediocre in britain is what will get them to leave. >> their taxes are going up lots of people have been leaving the uk for years in order to set up businesses in other places . businesses in other places. >> if you know you're about to sell your company, you relocate to singapore where you're not going to have to pay tax on it. you make millions and millions more. you are. it's a very simple calculation here, and more and more people will leave as you try and squeeze them. >> you are right, nothing works and the economic environment isn't great, but at the same time, when you add increased capital gains tax, for example , capital gains tax, for example, on top of that, why would anyone stick around? you just go to dubal stick around? you just go to dubai, go to the middle east, you go to qatar where the sun shines. life is arguably better. they can probably get a train on time. >> i kind of feel with that argument. benjamin you're almost there. you're almost with us. and then you say , but it's not and then you say, but it's not labour's fault. well, it is, it's the fear of labour and their tax and spending problems that are people haven't been leaving the country for months because of , you know, a labour because of, you know, a labour government coming in. >> let's have people really i think i think people don't think like that. and i might point out

how many millionaires do you know, well, lots, because i live in london. so most people that own a house could well be a millionaire in a proper millionaires, not just with eqtuin millionaires, not just with equity in a house. >> how many millionaires how you define a millionaire? i know probably half a dozen millionaires. at least three of them are moving to dubai. i'm sorry. don't be taxed to the hilt. >> but people, you know, middle class people , let alone people class people, let alone people who are poor and at the bottom, have had a really tough time. and the idea that your primary sympathy should be with millionaires moving to knock off their tax buy. >> you're saying that you're saying the middle classes have had a really hard time. >> folk can't even afford to feed their kids at points in the last couple of years, because bills have been sort of successful. >> i would agree the middle classes have had a really hard time, but they've shown what they're going to do to the middle classes by kicking private schools and independent schools. >> by the way, not having going to private schools , they're to private schools, they're upper middle class. they are a lot richer. >> there are people who are middle class who send their kids to private schools. >> actually, do you have £60,000 spare a year for two kids to go to private school? i do not, but there are people. >> two kids? yeah, exactly .

>> two kids? yeah, exactly. >> two kids? yeah, exactly. >> a typical family has two kids? no, and a private. the average private school fee is 15,500 pounds. these are not middle england . and these are middle england. and these are not people that i think are government should be worrying about. first. >> when i sent my son to private school, i lived on apples and yoghurt for a year because i couldn't afford anything. but he scored his. >> i've had many stories parents remortgaging their houses that illustrates the problem. >> you think you're hard done by because you had to have less food. there's. but the vast majority of people in this country, there is no amount of apples and yoghurt they could live off. that would give them 15.5 grand, spare private school fees . okay, you have not the fees. okay, you have not the squeezed middle, and those should not be the people that are government worries about. >> yes you are. you are wealthy. benjamin butterworth strikes again. but still to come tonight nigel farage has repeated a claim that the west provoked russia in invading ukraine. we'll debate that topic. i know people on the gb views are very keen for a discussion on that. is the cult of the nhs a real thing? and we'll ask why young people need to go out and make

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gb news. welcome back to the saturday five. as always. thank you very much for all of your emails about tonight's topics and your messages on gb views. ian has written in and ian says, shall we just accept and rejoice that secure has finally figured out what a woman is? it's taken him until the tender age of 61. michael says , if a trans woman michael says, if a trans woman is a woman and a trans man is a man, darren could you ask benjamin if as a gay man, he would date a trans man, well, who you want to date is entirely your own feeling . well, answer your own feeling. well, answer the question. no, it's got nothing to do with answer the question. well, i don't would you try? >> would you date a trans man? >> would you date a trans man? >> i have no objection to it. but what i'm saying is, if somebody said the answer was no,

that's fine, because, you know, people are attracted to particular types of men or women or whatever. >> well, that's not what the activists say. >> anyone who'd say yes to the activists, the activists say that's transphobia. >> the question would be the other way around. >> would they date me? >> would they date me? >> labour, charlotte says labour are only pledging not to raise taxes on your income . yeah, i taxes on your income. yeah, i bet everything else will be fair game. that's what matthew fears . game. that's what matthew fears. and then rod has written in and rod says hi, why are left wing spokespeople and politicians always replying to possible tax rises by saying, well, when the tories. now though, it's time for our next debate. who wants to go next? >> well , unfortunately it's to go next? >> well, unfortunately it's me. oh, so nigel farage of this pansh oh, so nigel farage of this parish has been speaking in the last day or two about russia's invasion of ukraine, and he has said that the west provoked russia into the invasion because of its activities with nato creeping eastwards. now, he's been condemned widely. he's been called a disgrace by keir starmer, the labour leader . and

starmer, the labour leader. and rishi sunak has also condemned his comments. but he's refusing to apologise now. i think that for a man that likes to parrot the lines of churchill, he sounds a lot more like neville chamberlain trying to blame us for defending ukraine. now, darren, we've provoked this war. >> it's, you know, of course it's his fault . he's used what? it's his fault. he's used what? but we provoked the invasion of ukraine and very interestingly , ukraine and very interestingly, once again ten years ago when i predicted this. by the way, i'm the only person in british politics that predicted what would happen. and of course, everyone said i was a pariah for danng everyone said i was a pariah for daring to suggest it. george robertson, former labour cabinet minister who went on to become the secretary general of nato , the secretary general of nato, has in the last couple of weeks said the war is a direct result of eu expansion . of eu expansion. >> a great advocate for nigel farage as politics, do you not think that this is deeply out of line with standing up for britain and standing up for the west's interests ? west's interests? >> i don't at all. and frankly,

i'm sick of seeing that clip played every hour on the hour. >> i think putin invaded russia because of what we and our allies did. >> i think i would listen to what nigel farage actually said because i watched the full interview and he said he dislike that president putin and president putin had actually been responsible for causing the war itself . i don't see how any war itself. i don't see how any part of what he said was part of apologism through actions of nato. well, we did break our promises to putin. >> we promised all of these these countries no , no. found these countries no, no. found him. let me finish, please. all these countries around him wouldn't be allowed to join nato. they did. we didn't allow putin to join nato. perhaps we should have done and kept our enemies close . all nigel said enemies close. all nigel said was that we provoked him. he clearly said it was putin's fault. he clearly said he wasn't a supporter of putin. this has been used as a tool against farage because everyone's scared he's doing so well. >> that and people like you are so terrified by nigel actually doing so well. and he's taken a lot of labour votes in the red wall, and you people are trying

to smear his name and call him an apologist for foreign regimes who wish us harm. that is absolute nonsense. and i think, frankly, you should be ashamed of yourself for pushing this really horrible narrative principle you have just because you're a fanboy of nigel farage. >> you will excuse any nonsense that he says. there is nothing. >> what did he say? >> what did he say? >> that's nonsense. there is nothing british pro—british about accepting that we somehow provoked him. putin is a megalomaniac who will invade every country around him, given the chance again, they should not make any grey area. it is not make any grey area. it is not nato defending the countries that it defends that has provoked him. he always wanted to do that. and if we didn't have nigel farage, if you'd actually watch the interview, benjamin, nigel said this has given vladimir putin and the russian hierarchy an excuse to turn to the russian people and say, well, we needed to do this because of nato's expansion. >> we have to be honest here,

which is that putin simply did not need an excuse in order to invade ukraine. and we saw actually, this quite fascinatingly, when tucker carlson went and interviewed putin and he set him up, he asked him this question. he said, you know , why did you do said, you know, why did you do this? why did you invade? and he was expecting him to give the answer as farage gave it all about nato. that's actually not what putin said . putin gave what putin said. putin gave a warped view of history in which ukraine does not exist . it ukraine does not exist. it literally there is no ukrainian people and therefore is part of russia, and therefore russia can invade now completely factually incorrect. of course, there is a ukrainian nation, the ukrainian people deserve their right to self—determination. they deserve to be able to choose their own future and to suggest anything otherwise, to suggest that their simple fact of showing interest in being part of nato or being part of the west was enough to justify putin's action is just completely wrong. >> well, again, he didn't say that. he said russia used it as an excuse to justify it. but ben, leo, do you think actually that we should be more realistic here in the west and we should accept that there needs to be some form of peace treaty because this has gone on for over two years. we've spent vast sums of the west's taxpayer sums

and military resources and actually people like benjamin, dare i say, are being a bit naive on how long this can actually go on for. >> yeah, i think we just need to grow up a bit and learn some nuance in the conversation . you nuance in the conversation. you know, it's possible for one thing to exist at the same time as another . you know, putin can as another. you know, putin can be a horrible tyrant, despot, dictator , and he can also nigel dictator, and he can also nigel can give the assessment that he has a perception that that nato was expanding too close to their borders. >> so you do think we provoked him? >> did i say that ? >> did i say that? >> did i say that? >> well, i'm trying to work out what you're just saying. >> no. do you know what i don't know enough about the situation to give comment. >> so, and darren appears to have just said no, hang on a minute. that we should not be loyal to ukraine and defend it in case it goes on for years. we're not. >> let me let me ask you a question. >> we're spending a billions of pounds as the us is spending tens of billions. >> but i don't want british people to be dragged into such a thing. >> appear to have just said that because it may go on for many years, yet that that should affect whether we want to support them . support them. >> i know i'm saying that there

needs to be. i think actually ukraine have been far too digging their heels in and saying we refuse to actually talk to the russian state about what kind of peace settlement could be unravelling. >> so you think presumably that they should give some land over? well, i don't know. i don't know about, but, you know, believe it or not, i haven't i haven't got putin's whatsapp that people like you who claim to have a monopoly on patriotism and western values , actually think western values, actually think that a despot like putin can invade a neighbouring country. and then you should sit down and handsome land over there is nothing defending about that. >> war is going to end. >> war is going to end. >> exactly how many people do you want to die? >> there is no way this war is going to end without a negotiation that involves some land. we might not like it, we might not think it's the right thing, and we might not think a despot should be able to go in and do so. so it is how this war is. >> okay, so let's say this war does end in negotiation, and most wars do. total victory is very difficult. that is a justification for giving as much resource as possible to ukraine to put them in the best possible position. so that so that if there is we do get to that point

that well, would you have said that well, would you have said that about the vietnam war? >> would you have said it should have gone on for as long as it did that old? >> i mean, this is not a it's not a comparable situation . not a comparable situation. >> i think it is because there were vast sums of money and actually troops being poured into that. and it was a losing battle all along with this war from the start, has been the fact that biden was very slow to approve the necessary weapons to give ukraine a fighting chance against russia. >> eventually he did it, but by the time they got the weapons, they couldn't push back on the fronts. and this kind of unwillingness to go full throttle in support of ukraine has now left them in a much weaker position and unfortunately, something close to a stalemate. and that's , to a stalemate. and that's, that's that is a failure of the west. and it sends a signal to china that we're not there. >> we can't undo the past, we can't undo the past. so where doesit can't undo the past. so where does it go now? >> well, yeah. >> well, yeah. >> okay. well, i have to leave that one there, but can i just say no? >> you can't say that. you didn't. all right. go for it. >> right. still ahead though, after sir keir starmer said he wouldn't use private health care even if his own children were sick, then there's going to be asking is the culture of the nhs like vie and kicking? you're with the saturday vie live on

gb news. welcome back to the saturday five. you'll be very pleased to know there were no fights during the commercial breaks . now, as the commercial breaks. now, as always, thank you very much for your messages and your emails. philip has written in. good evening, philip. he says farage has always been trying to undermine this country. his comments are outrageous and close to treason. the mask has definitely slipped off. putin poodle . hahahahaha philip, poodle. hahahahaha philip, i think you need to go have a pull yourself a nice cold drink and get yourself outside . you need get yourself outside. you need some sunshine. jackie says farage is right, western ideology is too close to the russian border and putin doesn't like it. and then ian has written in and says ukraine is defending itself against imperial aggression . they imperial aggression. they deserve our support to the very end. but chris says nigel farage

speaking the facts, the truth is the politicians in europe won't accept the cornered . russia had accept the cornered. russia had to make a move . well, that's to make a move. well, that's a range of views there. but i personally would just like people to watch what nigel farage actually said. >> and also i was going to say before the break, the one last point on that is i didn't see the same hysteria when the eu was sending billions and billions of pounds buying gas from russia, notably germany, who donald trump warned about for many, many years. so, you know, is russia an enemy or not? if they are buying gas from them, very good. >> well they can it now. they blew up that pipeline. but ben, you are going next. yes >> so i'm sure viewers by now have seen our political editor, christopher hope's interview with sir keir starmer last night. this is the moment when the labour leader said he would not go private if he needed, or a loved one needed health care, and instead he would use the nhs i >>i -- >> i pay for private health care to effectively jump the waiting

list, yes, i wouldn't, i actually had an operation on my knee some years ago. i waited my turn, but the idea of the prime minister of the united kingdom, who is responsible for bringing waiting lists down. yes, then saying to the public. but as far as i'm concerned, i'm going to jump as i'm concerned, i'm going to jump the queue. but you can afford to. >> most people on a good wage do afford it and pay for it if i am, you know, elected in to serve as prime minister, my job is to bring those waiting lists down and i'm not going to at the same time say, but for me, i'm going to jump the queue. >> that would . >> that would. >> that would. >> so, guys, i don't know what you think about this, but for me, i just can't comprehend why a man with money would choose to clog up an already crippled health service which is designed for people who need it, who are vulnerable , and who are on vulnerable, and who are on benefits. why he would choose to use the nhs when he can go private instead of helping other people . what's that about? for people. what's that about? for me, i interpret that and many others do . that is a very others do. that is a very strange, weird, ideological cult of the nhs where regardless of anything else to be so virtuous

you have to use the nhs. even if you have to use the nhs. even if you can afford to go elsewhere. what's that about? >> i mean, i'm desperate to hear what renee has to say on that, but what i would say is that i don't think this is just isolated to the nhs. i see this on what they're doing to private schools. i see this what they're doing on, taxation and refusing to actually be honest about what they're doing there. it's all about class envy and hard left marxism, and i hate it. >> yeah. i mean, it's basically saying to the world, excuse me , saying to the world, excuse me, that the nhs is a religion we worship at. it's you know, at its knees. and we would sacrifice our children to prove to you that the nhs is so brilliant that you have to use it, when in actual fact, people who use private medicine take the burden off of the nhs . they the burden off of the nhs. they take you off of the waiting list. so that's what he should be doing because he can afford it. that's what some people in his party believe, that if you can afford private health care, you should have it . wes you should have it. wes streeting has said that they will use private hospitals more to get the waiting list down, so it's a nonsense. but why does he

have this position? >> who is he? i don't understand, benjamin. you can tell me who is he appealing to by saying this kind of nonsense? >> well, as he said in that interview there with christopher hope, he thinks that as the person who will ultimately chances are be responsible for the health service as prime minister, it would be wrong to expect the people who voted him in the people of this country to use the nhs if he's not willing to use it himself , you know, and to use it himself, you know, and i think that's a principled position. it's not about not, of course , he's you know, he course, he's you know, he doesn't have any serious health issues. so he's not clogging anything up. as he said, he's not needed it for some years. but the idea that somebody who is in charge of the funding and the situation and accountable for the nhs wouldn't be willing to use it themselves, would be a poor endorsement of the service. >> but why is it, matthew? maybe you can tell me why is it such a sacrilege from the left? especially when people say, i'm going to use private health care. i can afford private health care. i did. i've got a little anecdote from a few years ago. i had hip surgery in 2018. i thought it was. i think we got some some clips of it here, me trying to recover and learn to

walk again. i i initially tried to go through the nhs and then a damning indictment of just how broken it is. they missed out a diagnosed me with a groyne strain. i took three months. i took three thorough. it took me three months to get a consultant's appointment, another six months to be referred to physio. and when i did go to physio they said, oh, you've got a groyne strain, just here's a sheet of paper, lift your leg up six times a day. i went, i went private and the very next week, within six days i was under the, the knife being operated on for hip surgery. thatis operated on for hip surgery. that is a stark contrast to the service you receive. >> and i do feel for the people, millions of people who are stuck on waiting lists and can't do that, i absolutely do, but i do think it's pretty rich to hear that actually , the reason that actually, the reason they're doing it is because, well, the prime minister and politicians have got to prove a point that if they're not willing to use public services , willing to use public services, then, you know, why should they expect the public to but then die and abbott and other mps can send their children to private schools whilst waxing lyrical about how awful grammar schools and all these private schools actually are. you are all hypocrites in the extreme . well,

ho. 110. >> no. >> first of all, that's just a completely other topic. >> but i think it's probably valid. >> i think most people in this country , if a prime minister, country, if a prime minister, keir starmer, for example, i mean, rishi sunak was criticised for this because he uses private health care. you know, if they were not willing to use the service because it's not good enough, then that tells you something. when politicians are the people responsible for it, if they don't think it's good enough for them , it's not good enough for them, it's not good enough for them, it's not good enough for the people in the country. this is a complete misjudgement. >> like islam, i think for a lot of people, if their child was sick and they had a serious illness, they would move mountains to do whatever they can. do you like to help? so they needed and they're willing to pay more for it. this is it's such a two dimensional perspective. the keir starmer you're in there, it's such a kind of like a rationing system where we have to imagine if imagine if there wasn't enough food around, that the government wasn't giving us enough food, and then you went out and purchased some food privately because you didn't want to get it from the state. would you think that your that that would lead to the creation of more food and more food production? that's what private health care is. it expands the capacity. >> i really worry about the

ideology, me about this is that it says that there's going to be too scared to fix it. okay. >> yeah, well, maybe that's it. still ahead though, young people are going to court to fight over their inheritance. they want your cash. should they be concentrating on making their own money ? you're with the saturday

gb news. welcome back to the saturday five. as always. thank you very much for your messages about everything we've been debating tonight . jess has written in the tonight. jess has written in the more starmer speaks on the media, jess says the more he advertises how he's out of touch. carol says how he starmer go private. you can afford to stop adding to the queue. and dickey says his starmer for real. even if i believed he would use the nhs to treat a seriously ill family member, does he really think we believe his relative wouldn't be bumped up the queue anyway because of

who he is? and then a lot of people are saying leave farage alone, we're going to start a hashtag, leave farage alone, right? who's going? well, maybe he provoked them. it's me. it's renee. >> i think i'm the last one. >> i think i'm the last one. >> doctor. renee, take it away. oh, i'm a poet and i didn't know it, so i want to say today that selfish and entitled millennials should not expect to inherit from their parents. >> so baby boomers are starting to die. and there's a £71 trillion bonus, apparently in their wills, that they've built up over decades of hard work , up over decades of hard work, scrimping and saving, buying their house and the millennials that they've raised apparently expect naturally to inherit that. so as they die and leave their money, millennials are taking more and more of their parents wills to court. in fact, there were 10,000 wills were contested last year compared to half that number in 2016. so why is this happening? well, lawyers who are working in the field

seem to believe it's because this generation of millennials and beyond are the most entitled that they have ever been and feel that they deserve the cash, come what may. so little johnny and genevieve that mummy and daddy have worked so hard to give them a better life, to give them a life better than what they had . if they didn't visit they had. if they didn't visit enough, they didn't be grateful enough, they didn't be grateful enough, they didn't respect their parents enough. and then mummy and daddy decide to leave their money to the donkey sanctuary or cousin jenny from down the road. millennials say, no, that's not good enough, and they're having a strop and they're having a strop and they're going to court . so they're going to court. so i would say to johnny and genevieve, work hard , make your genevieve, work hard, make your own money, make your own wealth, buy your own assets . and then if buy your own assets. and then if mummy and daddy decide to leave you any money, it's a real bonus. on top of that, i think it's absolutely despicable that you might take your mum and dad's will to court. it is also disrespectful to their memory andifs disrespectful to their memory and it's selfish. and actually i think there should be a law change so that you cannot

contest a will unless there is hard and firm evidence of foul play hard and firm evidence of foul play . play. >> well, i would hope that was already the case, is it not? we'll have to be quite brief on remarks on this one. so i want to make sure everyone gets a bite of the cherry. >> matthew, look, i agree with you.the >> matthew, look, i agree with you. the principle about respecting the person who's died will and ensuring that if a parent doesn't want to give their money to their children, they shouldn't be entitled to whatsoever. although, do you think it is slightly problematic here, with the way we're frame this as if it is as easy for millennials as it was for boomers to , get as much wealth boomers to, get as much wealth to build up that same level of nest egg. the reason why so many millennials are so dependent on their parents is because houses are so much more expensive . are so much more expensive. incomes haven't kept up with that. we've got taxes going up on people who are working. we've got a lot of benefits that have gone spinals like the pension triple lock. so millennials aren't in as good a financial position as previous generations were. and i think that's the real underlying problem . all right. >> but ben leo, people might be saying to matthew lesh shouting at their television sets, if i

don't want to give my kids my own money, i shouldn't have to. doesn't matter if you've not been, you know , building enough been, you know, building enough houses for them. yeah, i'm probably, see, i was given some financial help by a parent, maybe ten years or so ago. i paid the money back, so it was not quite inheritance. so i was given, you know, a bit of a leg up, however, i just think in life, don't give your power away by relying on other people to help you out. one of the best life lessons i've ever had, and iteach life lessons i've ever had, and i teach my own children, is don't rely on anyone you know. do things yourself. create things yourself. >> your children are five. sorry surely they rely on you . surely they rely on you. >> they do. but i still try and instil in my older one. anyway, the five year old that that don't rely on people. i mean, it's a very valuable life lesson. it's a priceless one. if you're going around relying on inheritance or relying on your employer, or relying on your friends or your mother to help you out in life, you're eventually going to come unstuck. >> like my late grandmother used to say that she was going skiing, which meant spending kids inheritance . and the older kids inheritance. and the older she got, the more she she always , always extremely careful with money. and she by virtue of

being so careful, had managed to build up a decent amount of it. but as she got older, she loves shopping. but it's not. i don't really like the idea of suing your parents. that's not great. but the thing is that this is the first generation that is poorer than their parents. it's what matthew said expectations are to try and the reason on the show, we'll have to leave that there. >> we'll go to a break. we'll be going to a kenyan farmer after the break. he's been bashed by the break. he's been bashed by the bbc. find out why. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers, sponsors of weather on gb news. >> hi there and welcome to the latest update from the met office for gb news. the weather is turning warmer and sunnier dunng is turning warmer and sunnier during the next few days. there will be some cloudier spells for the next 24 hours or so before high pressure takes a firm hold across the uk and leads to a long settled spell. now this week , weather front is just week, weather front is just edging into the west of scotland through the evening, as well as

parts of northern ireland. some thicker cloud for a time, some patchy light rain and drizzle that will tend to sink into northern and western england as well as wales. extensive low cloud is expected here. some mist around the hills and coasts and some drizzle first thing sunday. otherwise increasingly sunny skies for scotland, northern ireland and for parts of east anglia as well as the south east, it's going to feel fresh first thing, but temperatures will rise quickly through the morning because of the sunnier skies. however we've got that mist around the coast of the southwest, as well as parts of wales and drizzle over the hills, and that will take some time to clear up during the morning. northern england, scotland, northern ireland increasingly sunny through the day and with that sunshine we're going to see some higher temperatures compared with much of june so far. but as i say, the mist and low cloud that will be lurking around southwestern shores could take some time to clear , and somewhere like torbay clear, and somewhere like torbay could keep that fog around the

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westminster studio . you might westminster studio. you might have noticed a bit of a change in here. well the only thing that hasn't changed. well, for the most part, that is, is the panel the most part, that is, is the panel. we're still scrapping. we're still here. i'm darren grimes, along with matthew lesh, doctor renee, ben, leo and benjamin butterworth. now coming up tonight , we've got plenty up tonight, we've got plenty more coming, including the prince of wales getting his groove on and the world's ugliest dog has been revealed. no, it's not benjamin butterworth. it's 7 pm. and this is the saturday five. and as ever, will be answering your questions in ask the five. please try and keep them somewhat presentable at this time of night. send them through to gbnews.com/yoursay kwasi. first of all though, we're going to get your saturday night news,

which i believe is sophia wenzler . wenzler. >> thanks, darren. good evening. i'm sophia wenzler in the gb newsroom. your headlines nigel farage has been criticised by the prime minister and the labour leader over his comments suggesting the west provoked russia's invasion of ukraine. rishi sunak says it was completely wrong. the reform uk leader made the claim during an interview with the bbc's nick robinson last night. mr farage said the expansion of the eu and nato gave putin a reason to tell the russian people they're coming for us again. the russian people they're coming for us again . the coming for us again. the scottish greens have urged the next uk government to lift the block on scotland's controversial gender reforms . controversial gender reforms. the proposed legislation would make it easier for people to legally change their gender, but uk ministers blocked the draft law, saying it would conflict with equality act protections applying across great britain.

scotland's first ministerjohn scotland's first minister john swinney said he agreed with the scottish green party. >> scottish parliament has legislated for the changes on gender recognition and i think it's important the democratic wishes of the scottish parliament are respected . but parliament are respected. but clearly there is a legal issue that has got to be addressed and that has got to be addressed and that can only be addressed by the united kingdom government. but i want the legislation that has been passed by the scottish parliament to be put into effect. >> in other news, the search has intensified for british teenager jay slater, who went missing in tenerife. jay travelled for a music festival on his first houday music festival on his first holiday without his parents specialist dog teams have now joined police and firefighters in the search operation, which has entered its sixth day. the 19 year old has not been heard from since he called a friend shortly before 9:00 monday morning, saying he was lost and needed water. he was last seen in the northwestern mountain village of masca . village of masca. pro—palestinian protesters have sprayed red paint on a historic

building at the university of cambridge . students and members cambridge. students and members of the palestine action group targeted senate house this afternoon. a building that has been used for graduation ceremonies since the 18th century. the group says the action marked the end of an academic year where the university of cambridge has funded, enabled and normalised the ongoing palestinian genocide. a spokesman for the university said they strongly condemned this act of vandalism , condemned this act of vandalism, and the prince of wales has thanked taylor swift for a great concert as he shared a photo of the pop superstar taking a selfie with him and his children. prince george and princess charlotte. watching the us singer perform at wembley stadium. prince william was also spotted shaking his arms to shakeit spotted shaking his arms to shake it off as he celebrated his 42nd birthday. swift posted her selfie with prince william, george and charlotte alongside her boyfriend, nfl star travis kelce . and for the latest story, kelce. and for the latest story, sign up to gb news alerts by

scanning the qr code on your screen or go to gbnews.com/alerts. now it's back to the saturday five. >> it's saturday night and you're with the saturday five. i'm darren grimes, and i can promise that you're in for another very lively hour. you've written in with some emails very quickly. marianne says, my kids always say, spend it, mum. have always say, spend it, mum. have a good life. and if you run out, we'll look after you . i want we'll look after you. i want marianne's kids. >> that's the way. >> that's the way. >> yeah, well . and sandra says i >> yeah, well. and sandra says i want my kids to inherit what i have. and give them all the advantages i can. well, there's some views. >> can we just tell people i wasn't on autocue? >> yeah. oh, you were she wasn't. some of the comments were saying renee was on autocue. i promise you , that was autocue. i promise you, that was all from the heart. she meant every word. and she was directing her response there to her kids. she was telling them, you ain't going to get a penny. now we're going to go to our big interview now. now, this is

quite an important one. as western politicians fly around the world right on their private jets, lecturing poorer people in poorer countries are about climate change and the beast that it climate change and the beast thatitis climate change and the beast that it is and how, you know, you need to give up the fruits of, of, progress that we enjoyed in your own countries. but, you know, tough luck is basically the response of modern day climate extremist . but one the response of modern day climate extremist. but one man has not been having it. he's called jasper montague and jasper is an engineer and farmer from kenya. and he's written about the hypocrisy of the west and why fossil fuels will actually help people out of poverty. now, the continent of africa, of course, is a continent crying out for that. and i'm pleased to say jasper joins us now . jasper, thank you joins us now. jasper, thank you very much for your company. now, one group of broadcasters that didn't like what you had to say

was, of course, the bbc. could you just tell us a bit about what that was like ? what that was like? >> yeah. so thank you for having me, darren. mark wrote a piece on me, and it aired on bbc. it went live, i think, three days ago. so the guy was all about, like, the attack was just personal. nothing about what i say or what i represent. and i am all about fossil fuels for africa and africans, flourishing i >> -- >> yeah. and so just but the criticism was saying that you are potentially only saying what you're saying because you're funded by vested interests who want fossil fuels to continue and actually that, you know, your arguments are invalid because you're a climate change denier and these sort of things . denier and these sort of things. >> yeah, i don't really worry about climate change. and that's very true for most africans , very true for most africans, because we have far bigger problems to worry about. we have hunger problems in in africa, people are sleeping, hungry.

people are very poor. people don't have clean water. why should we worry about climate change? and at the end of the day, you realise that we emit so little. a continent of 1.4, almost 1.5 billion people a meeting , so little, less than 3. meeting, so little, less than 3. why should i worry about climate change? and by the way, at the end of the day, you realise that if you look at the data, what the data says, you realise that , the data says, you realise that, in africa, even we have more people dying from extreme, extreme cold compared to extreme heat. it's like 26,000 versus 1.2 million people. why should we worry about the climate warming and look at the world today? this is the best time for you and i to be to be alive. yeah. >> jasper, i couldn't agree more. you're a man that makes my heart sing, i tell you. but could you answer that response? you know, the bbc and others may well suggest that you're not genuine. you don't actually believe what you're saying . that

believe what you're saying. that actually, this is all money, it's not all money. because the guy said, i have collected so far 9,000 usd, in a span of maybe two years, according to him. and actually, the money, i collected the money because i was going to school. i was supposed to attend my master's degree in writtle university college somewhere in london. unfortunately, i got cancelled. so the money is just hanging in the gulf in a go fund me somewhere . i don't have access somewhere. i don't have access to the funds in any way. and so what if . okay, to set the record what if. okay, to set the record straight, i'm not being funded by any fossil fuel group or person or industry. like, i'm not at all funded by any fossil fuel industry, but the thing is. so what if because the guy said, okay, i have a borehole project and my people don't have to walk to fetch water 600m downhill, so they just getting water from my

borehole. so how is that a bad thing? but if certain build the borehole. but the benefit of the borehole. but the benefit of the borehole is serving people. so and just. >> but how do you what would your response to be the sort of greta thunberg of the west who say that actually we need to eradicate fossil fuels altogether ? you know, despite altogether? you know, despite the fact that the west did, of course, get rich , did, of course, get rich, did, of course, get rich, did, of course, progress, thanks to the use of fossil fuels. would you actually argue that there is a colonialist streak, dare i say, to the pockets of the activist left here who do you want to see the end of fossil fuels. and that includes us, the poorest parts of africa, actually being able to use them. >> yeah. so i refer to this as climate colonialism. we have this group of people who don't want africans to develop . they want africans to develop. they don't want us to have what they have. they don't want us to become rich. they don't want us to flourish at all, at all. and that's why they're saying africa

should never use its fossil fuel. it should leapfrog to solar and wind. solar and wind is just electricity . electricity is just electricity. electricity that we consume so little, so little of a good example is my family. so today, i come from a family. so today, i come from a family of six people. we consume 12 units or 12 kilowatt hours of electricity per month. we have access to electricity grid electricity, but we consume so little compared to, let's say, an american refrigerator which consumes 35 units per month. so electricity is not the problem. actually, today, most of our energy in sub—saharan africa, our our energy about 90% of our energy is coming from burning biomass, burning biomass is a fancy word for cow dung, firewood , charcoal, crop firewood, charcoal, crop residue. that's where we're getting our energy from. what we needis getting our energy from. what we need is fossil fuels because we just don't need electricity. electricity is just a tiny consumption of the total. like, just have a look at your total energy consumption. electricity.

electricity is about 18. only the rest is coming from other energy sources, especially , oil energy sources, especially, oil and gas that is. yeah. so what i want for africans is i want us to have access to energy. energy thatis to have access to energy. energy that is going to power agriculture. how do we power agriculture? we need tractors. we need to stop oil, it's i'm i'm i'm smiling because unlike the famous infamous just stop oil, organisation in the uk, i'm saying just stop oil because we toiling throughout the day, man, we're drilling through the day to meet our daily needs . we need to meet our daily needs. we need to meet our daily needs. we need to end that. we need allies. we can't have fertiliser minus fossil fuels. we need irrigation. we need piping . all irrigation. we need piping. all of that. we can't have that minus fossil fuel. we just don't need energy. >> the list is endless and i think we take it for granted here. jasper, if people want to find you online, where can they

go? >> oh, so they can find me on twitter. jasper. my logo. and by the way, i do have a sustainable, a sustainable internship program for the people who are saying, sustainable , living for sustainable, living for africans, okay. >> well, people can check that out and find you on x. thank you very much, jasper, for joining us this evening. now i'm going to bring it out to the panel there. i think jasper is genuinely fascinating and i'm very interested by this. but matthew lesh, do you want to come in first and tell us? actually, i assume you're with me on what i was saying, which is my heart very much goes out to him and what he wants to achieve for his country. >> and i think, i think it's absolutely insane hiring political activism. it's talking about a really important issue, i think it's a disgrace by the standards of what the bbc is doing, trying to smear him as as being funded by fossil fuel interests. and we should just point out the hypocrisy here. no one ever turns and says those green activists are funded by

renewable energy interests, and therefore we shouldn't listen to them. we should. we should listen to people on the basis of the points that they're making, and we should treat them seriously or not. and he's making some important points, which is the world's biggest killer today is the burning of biomass. it's the fact that people still have to burn, things like wood in their homes that creates pollution. it's terrible for people's lungs and it leads to earlier deaths and electricity, is a necessary three step up from biomass. and along the way, it does require fossil fuels. we're still using fossil fuels. we're still using fossil fuels. we're still using fossil fuels in the uk. we can't be hypocritical. others, we still have a significant amount of gas in our in our energy grid. and for even up to 2050, even up to net zero, you're still going to have fossil fuels . you still need it. you still need it. it's cheap, accessible, dense energy. and it's necessary for african countries to be able to develop and renee do you do you buy that argument that he gave there of saying, actually, he views them as just by saying green colonialists. >> i do buy it. and it's very interesting . it's the bbc that's interesting. it's the bbc that's trying to smear him because just this week the bbc had a page on

their gcse learning site, which actually pointed out the benefits of global warming, some of which just told us about that, that more people die when it's cold. so the temperature going up in these countries mean less people will die of cold. there were lots of other points on there. they would. they took it down because of pressure from climate activists who do not want to debate about the good and the bad of climate change. we're quite happy to see african children dying to mine the lithium that goes into our electric cars, but we're not to happy see them burn fossil fuels to advance their lives. >> and i'll tell you what, renee, i think we could do with some global warming in this studio. >> we could. >> we could. >> ben, leo, yeah. i just think at this time when everyone's, you know, running around crying about russia that no one even bothers to mention, you know, very credible intelligence agencies and sources who suggest and some even say that people like just stop oil extinction rebellion are funded indirectly by vladimir putin and russia . by vladimir putin and russia. why wouldn't you? why are you screwing your face up? no, i imagine they would reject that. >> and they're not here to

defend themselves. just stop oil , let me tell you about just stop oil. >> they're funded by the climate emergency fund in california, whose, main contributor. well, there's two of them. the main contributor is eileen getty, who is the granddaughter of oil. oil tycoon, john john f, j.p. getty so first of all, and second of all, adam mckay the hollywood film star, he made the netflix hit, was it don't look up. he's got he's got form on youtube. he's got two houses, one in ireland, one in los angeles, boasting all the time about how when things get tough in la, he just flies to a second home in ireland. these guys are a bunch of hypocrites. and if your house was burning down, you wouldn't do stuff like that. >> but on that point, though, ben saying no, they're funded by x, y and z. that's what the bbc was saying about jasper. but i genuinely believe he believes what he's saying. right? i believe matthew lesch believes what he's saying whenever he says anything. do we actually always assume that len mccluskey could come along and give me £1 million? i'm still going to be saying what i'm saying today. does money and who you're paid by actually motivate what you're

saying? do you believe they don't believe? well, i think when you're when you're a climate alarmist and you're a doomster and you're saying that the world's got 15 years to survive unless we, you know, instantaneously stop fossil fuels, the fact that you still choose to take flights is, you know, international flights on gas guzzling jets is complete hypocrisy . hypocrisy. >> as i said, if your house was burning down, you wouldn't run back in and, you know, light a candle or go and grab something. you get out the house and you you'd stop all travel instantaneously. and also so many . what's different this many. what's different this time? i'm not saying climate change doesn't exist this term. climate denier is just, you know, juvenile and absolutely absurd. but when so many predictions of yesteryear have been made, dozens and dozens and dozens on the front page of newspapers, we're going to have a climate, a siberian climate by the year 2000. kids won't know what snow is by this year from very senior people. the un chief climate scientist. what's different this time when you're saying in 20 years, we also know that when money goes behind a cause, it actually gets amplified so much that people start to hear it more often and believe it. >> the same happened with the sugar , lobby in america because sugar, lobby in america because they didn't want sugar to be

cancelled out of a society that's getting more obese . the that's getting more obese. the money that goes behind the sugar lobby is so vast that it can't be fought by the healthy foods companies. >> all right, benjamin butterworth, i mean, i think jasper is dangerously naive, you know, to say, what does climate change have to do with africa? >> well, africa is the continent in the world that is being worst affected by rising temperatures. it's expected to have the most rapid temperature growth and you have seen, for example, mozambique had extremely dangerous floods. much of africa, parts that are habitable at the moment are expected to become uninhabitable because of extreme temperatures. no. i'm speaking. and so the problem is that, you know, at the same time, africa is also the continent that's expected to have the biggest economic growth in this century. it's expected to have enormous economic growth, but that it isn't enough to say that , you know, they're to say that, you know, they're not responsible for the situation we have at climate change. they've contributed less than any other part of the world. but it's not good enough to say that they should not take

action. that they should not be part of the solution just because they're unfairly affected by it now. and to suggest that climate change isn't affecting africa is a nonsense, because it is facing much worse, harsher and sooner consequences than a country like the united kingdom. >> china is opening new coal mines every single day. no one's telling them to stop, just well, they are. >> china is committed to zero net by 2060. >> but the point the point about the point about it has. >> no i'm sorry. you can't say that they're not doing anything. china has a net zero goal. they're a target. >> i have a goal to have a six. >>— >> i have a goal to have a six. >> it's not going to happen any time soon. it's not just point about africa. >> you're saying they're the worst affected by climate change.indeed worst affected by climate change. indeed they they probably are going to be. that's because they're poor. it's our capacity and our wealth and our prosperity that allows to us mitigate the issues of climate change, to not be as badly impacted by it. and the point is, if you limit africa's capacity to become rich today , capacity to become rich today, they're going to be far more vulnerable by the impacts of climate change in the future . climate change in the future. >> they have to, and i don't dispute that. but the guest said that climate change isn't affecting them. the access to

water, access to habitable areas is heavily affected by climate change, they said. >> it's getting hotter, but that could have benefits, is what he said . said. >> yeah, i mean, look, you know, it's a big continent, right? but it's a big continent, right? but it's much of it is pretty hot at the moment and it will be really badly affected by 2 degrees rise. >> it doesn't surprise me. you take the communists at their word either. >> yeah. right now, still to come tonight that we can finally reveal the world's ugliest dog. >> well, who is it you're with? i'm going to get smacked during the break. you're with the saturday five live

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zelenskyy , sunak and starmer. is zelenskyy, sunak and starmer. is this farages first election misstep? we're live at nine. >> welcome back to the saturday five. as always, thank you very much for your messages and emails about tonight's topics. chris has written in good evening chris. he says africa is a rich continent , rich in a rich continent, rich in minerals. sadly, corruption rules and it's been pilfered by russia and china . geopolitics russia and china. geopolitics comes into play and britain, les says right or wrong, the world cannot afford a green agenda. the biggest pollution source worldwide, not transport, not oil consumption, not power stations, but huge populations burning biomass to heat and cook in a domestic environment and wendy says the real issue for climate change is worldwide

deforestation, causing 11% of c02 deforestation, causing 11% of co2 emissions per year and the uk is ofwat measly 1. climate change and net zero as an ideology because most green financial industries green have no deforestation policy. climate change is an anti—capitalist trope. wendy didn't hold back. but now, folks, it's time for this . yes, indeed. ding ding this. yes, indeed. ding ding ding albius. and here. so it's not us for the saturday scrap tonight, but we're going to be debating a poland card in tower hamlets. it's been sent out and it's not written in english. so folks , i'm asking the question folks, i'm asking the question tonight. should you have to be able to read english to be able to vote in an election that will, of course, alter the nation's destiny? well, benjamin

butterworth and doctor renee are going to go head to head. doctor renee, i believe you've been tasked with starting us off. so ding ding. round one. >> so i found this really interesting because i grew up and went to school in newham, which speaks 114 languages and my next door neighbours were a muslim family who adopted me as their honorary daughter because they had five boys, and the mother of the family , zora, mother of the family, zora, could not speak english very little and her husband, who was a very educated man. he was a lecturer in the local college, told us quite proudly that he would instruct her how to vote at the general election when he walked with her down to the polling station. so i would say that if we're having to send out polling cards in other languages , as there is no way that these people who cannot speak english or, or read it can partake in the political debate, how do they actually listen to the debates? how do they read the newspapers? how do they read the

leaflets that come through the door telling them what each individual candidate stands for? i think it should be a requirement for people to read english, to actually be here in the first place. i see so many patients who've been here for 20 years who do not speak a word of english. it is actually isolating and it does not allow integration . and the problem integration. and the problem that we have is, is that we actually have silos of women living in communities where they don't need to speak english, and that actually for them , keeps that actually for them, keeps them completely isolated. many of them are depressed and we see this day to day in my work. i think it should be absolutely essential for people to speak engush essential for people to speak english and therefore, in order to vote, you should be able to speak in read english too well, renee didn't hold back benjamin butterworth, what are your thoughts ? thoughts? >> well, there could be no doubt that being able to speak the language of the country you live in, in this one, clearly english is highly desirable. it makes life much easier. it means that you can access education and workplace and socialise. and

i've campaigned in tower hamlets and been amazed by the fact that many women, mainly women, can't speak english. i've also campaigned for hillary clinton in 2016, in florida and was struck by the fact that i had to learn to ask their vote in spanish because they didn't speak english. but does that mean that somebody who is otherwise eligible for a vote because they have citizenship, or, for example, they're from a commonwealth country, so they get it automatically? should they be denied the vote because of what is essentially an academic qualification , a marker academic qualification, a marker of intelligence? well, no , i of intelligence? well, no, i think that would be wrong. the idea that you start saying that because somebody doesn't have a certain qualification they shouldn't get the vote is deeply problematic. and of course , what problematic. and of course, what is it that we make the marker of who gets the vote for? well it's if you are a citizen and if you are affected by what the state is doing to you, someone who, for example, lives in tower hamlets or newham, as doctor

renee mentioned, and doesn't speak english, is probably has a bigger effect of what the state does and the government's decisions than many other people . because if they're poor, if they're more vulnerable, it will have a big impact on their lives. and yet you're taking away their access to the vote. but let's add this if it's the case, as doctor vinay put out, that because you can't read the newspapers or watch the television to take in the different arguments being put forward , well, there are people forward, well, there are people with disabilities that would not be able to do that in the way that any of us are used to. so are you saying, that any of us are used to. so are you saying , doctor renee, are you saying, doctor renee, that someone who doesn't have the cognitive abilities , or is the cognitive abilities, or is maybe deaf and blind, should be barred from voting? >> well, of course, i'm not saying that is what you're saying. >> really , isn't it because >> really, isn't it because you're saying if they can't understand the arguments, they don't get the right ? don't get the right? >> no, i'm not saying that at all, because somebody who's deaf and blind will actually have other ways of having things translated for them. and put into the language that they can understand in terms of braille , understand in terms of braille, or actually having hearing aids to actually allow them to hear .

to actually allow them to hear. it doesn't say that they can't speak english because they're deaf >> so hang on. by that same measure, the people you described can speak to their community and they can have extensive discussions in a different language about the political arguments. is that not the same? they still have a means to the information. >> it's not the same because people who are deaf and blind still speak english. they just have to hear it in a slightly different way, perhaps, or read it in a slightly different way . it in a slightly different way. >> and people that don't speak engush >> and people that don't speak english can ask their husband their their friends, their community leaders point because i think lots of these people mean because of that language barrier and asking their community leaders, they are being guided who to vote for. >> ben benjamin. they're not being given all of the arguments so that they can make their mind up themselves. >> i mean, this does assume that we're thinking about probably people from from muslim countries and those issues that, you know, lots of women, as you say, that don't have the same access. but, you know, there are lots of people that speak lots of languages. and it's strange that i suspect if you told the brits that have gone and retired in spain, look, they ain't learning spanish , they can't

learning spanish, they can't speak a word of it. people that have lived there for decades. do you really think you'd say you could justify to those english people that they shouldn't be allowed the rights of becoming a spanish citizen if they've gone and retired there because they don't speak spanish? >> i would say the same. i, as you know, i go to spain a lot and i'm trying desperately hard to learn spanish because i think it's something that i should have to do. >> so you think there should be academic qualifications that decide whether you get the conversation , speak in the conversation, speak in the language of the people around you. it clearly is a level of qualification, right? it's a skill. it's a learned fact. so someone who wouldn't be able to learn the language should be barred from voting . despite the barred from voting. despite the fact that the state has said they've met all the expectations to be a citizen, it isn't an academic qualification . but academic qualification. but you're saying, msc, you're saying there should be two levels of citizenship and you should be able to take the vote away. you know how much english should they speak? for example, will you sit there? how would you even implement this? would everybody, before they go to the polling booth, have to do a test of their language skills? >> i actually think everybody to actually get citizenship should have to pass a basic english test. exactly. >> so that i'll just bring it

out to the panel now. thank you very much for that. but that surely should be a necessary prerequisite to actually being able to come to the country. of course, you should speak the lingo, and by the way, i agree with what renee said. the what the spanish do with their own requirements. that's up to them. it's got nothing to do with us. >> the bar of whether you get a vote is whether you've been granted citizenship or, as i say, come from certain countries that get it automatically. you know, i actually may i say i'm sorry, but i find it absolutely absurd that someone like matthew, who is not a british citizen, who was australia gets the vote in this country. it's me. >> i i'm the problem . it's me. >> i i'm the problem. it's me. >> i i'm the problem. it's me. >> exactly. i think that is a much bigger threat and problem that people that don't have fluency. well, hang on, hang on. >> the historical reason why commonwealth citizens vote, of course, is because they were in the not too distant past. there was a single british empire and australian citizenship was considered to be the same thing as british citizenship. and it's as british citizenship. and it's a it's a hangover. >> we don't get the vote in australia. no you don't. >> and, you know, i think it would be completely acceptable to take away the citizenship, from commonwealth citizens . i from commonwealth citizens. i think on this broader point, though, i think i do agree with

you, benjamin. and the reason for that is that there is a history of using literacy tests in order to disenfranchise voters. and that's, of course, the jim crow laws in the united states that they use these tests against african americans . and against african americans. and the concern here is once you start creating a test, it can be used arbitrarily against different people and different different people and different different sets. and you can't implement something in a fair and reasonable way. and also one other thought, which is technology is solving this problem. anyway, we the latest version of dougie beattie can basically translate in real time in conversation. you can use google translate for text. if you want to be an engaged edison, you can do it. even if you don't speak english as the first. >> well, i don't know what that's going to do for siloed communities that we've got in this country. but ben, leo, i wonder, do you think if benjamin's been a bit of a hypocrite because of course, he he doggedly supports the labour party who want to give all eu citizens the vote to actually ensure that they can gerrymander the elections . the elections. >> well, of course they do. and there's a reason joe biden in america is happy to have 9 million plus illegal migrants, one, you know, voting as well, because these people, of course , because these people, of course, are going to go for the leftist vote. and also you're talking

about citizenship. i don't think you should have citizenship or be rewarded with citizenship. if you can't speak the language, why should you? >> well, i'm not saying i no point did i say that you shouldn't be expected to learn the language, that it isn't desirable. it makes a massive impact on the quality of life. what i'm saying is that if you qualify for a vote, you shouldn't have it withdrawn because of a certain skill set. >> i'm saying i'm saying there shouldn't be just an expectation that you learn english as part of your citizenship. i'm saying if you can't speak english, you shouldn't be awarded citizenship. there are a lot of engush citizenship. there are a lot of english people that go around the world to move to other countries. >> never learn the language. >> never learn the language. >> i wouldn't expect to go to japan and be awarded citizenship just because i'd lived there for three years. >> you wouldn't be. >> you wouldn't be. >> in order to become have much stricter immigration in order to become a citizen , you do become a citizen, you do actually have to because you have to do a living in the uk. test you have to actually learn about british history and culture. in fact, i have to do that test this year in order to stay in the uk. so i don't know why you might very well. >> i don't know why you want to stay here anyway. i'd be straight off to australia. >> we can swap citizenship if you like. >> well well well there are lots of brits going to australia

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gb views. >> welcome back to the saturday five. sadly, we have lost benjamin and renee, they've gone for a saturday. scrap of a different variety. now, though, it's different variety. now, though, wsfime different variety. now, though, it's time for this. different variety. now, though, it's time for this . right. oh, it's time for this. right. oh, bunch of five. matthew lesh. what have you got for us? >> my topic this evening is the very exciting question of w.f.h working from home, or as it's now developing into working from the hairdresser. so there have been these stories emerging in on tiktok land of, some younger gen z workers, even younger than

those millennials. i'm taking time during their day to go get their hair done and taking calls from the hairdresser. and this has become a phenomenon to the point where hairdressers are now installing usb ports. high speed wi—fi and desks in order to enable people to work from the hairdresser. now, you're probably expecting me to make fun of this hair, but actually i don't think it is. i think this is fantastic. and i'm going to read you a few comments from some of the managers who uploaded these videos. one said it doesn't matter where she is to me, as long as her tasks are being delivered on time and delivered well while another manager says not what i meant by working from home, but you go off queen. i think that's a oh for goodness. i think that's an encouragement. >> oh renee, this is ridiculous . >> oh renee, this is ridiculous. isn't it crazy? >> i don't care what anybody says. working from home is destroying so many things. people need to be together. it's showing the fact that people meet each other. it's bad for mental health and productivity is rubbish. when you phone someone now and you get through, whether it's a government department and they have a

question they need to ask somebody else, they can't. so you never get anything sorted out. >> you need the kids though. >> you need the kids though. >> in the background you can hear the kids. i actually said to somebody the other day, your fire alarm battery needs changing . changing. >> she said, oh, i know, renee, we're going to stick with you. what have you got for us? >> so, a few years ago, you will remember that sadiq khan had a picture of a woman on a beach who had a body very similar to mine, actually, that said, get beach ready. >> and he banned it because we've got it on screen. now, apparently that was an unrealistic aim and it was demeaning to women. >> and he wasn't going to demean women in ads anymore on the underground. so fine. that was banned last week for pride week. he had a different woman on posters all over london, mainly in east london, around old street area, on the big posters . street area, on the big posters. it was a woman who had just had a mastectomy, a young woman. she's still got the plasters on from having it. this was for pride week, so he doesn't want nice, decent , healthy medical nice, decent, healthy medical mastectomy, a trans mastectomy , mastectomy, a trans mastectomy, trans mastectomy. so he's quite happy for our young women to get

the message that it's okay to cut off your healthy breasts for no reason at all. what does he think this does to women who have had to cut off their breasts because they've had cancer and are you happy for your taxes to be at least in part paying for that ? part paying for that? >> no. >> no. >> well, benjamin, are you, i'm not sure if they would, because it has a lot of corporate sponsors for pride in london, so i don't say come through the mayor of london's office. >> and if you go to the pride in london website. >> yeah, but a lot of that money actually is private money, i don't think much money comes from city hall. in fact . so, you from city hall. in fact. so, you know, don't worry about that. but the message is clear that in the first picture, it was about telling women, telling people that their bodies should be judged on an unreasonable level. and the other one is somebody who has made an entirely legitimate decision about what they do with their body and who they do with their body and who they are as a person, and that they are as a person, and that they should be celebrated for who they are. that is a perfectly healthy message. and the opposite of the first one. nobody who is not transgender , nobody who is not transgender, it has no instinct in that way, is walking through the streets

of london, seeing that picture and thinking, oh, i'm going to chop them off and never thought about it. but but now i've seen that poster with they, they're oh, i might do it, but nonsense. what do i tell my daughter? you tell your daughter that there's a happy person, do i? >> because i suspect it is a happy person. >> jen . the dysphoria is >> jen. the dysphoria is a mental illness, so they. how's that happy? >> well, people that have been able to live their lives with themselves, to have a body and experience that represents who they are, but they're not. >> because studies show once they go down, once they go down, studies don't show that. and they have all depressed. yeah. once they go down this pathway and they have medical interventions, they're still depressed. and they who are you to tell that person you don't know that they are unhappy , that know that they are unhappy, that they are not being the person that they want to be. >> okay , we'll leave that for >> okay, we'll leave that for the viewers. >> you call yourself a libertarian when you behave like that, right? >> i want to move on after that nonsense to happier thoughts and we're going to look at this lovely picture of prince william meeting taylor swift , well, meeting taylor swift, well, we've got a video first of all, actually. oh, there's the photograph. taylor swift taking a selfie and that's prince

george and princess charlotte with the prince of wales , prince with the prince of wales, prince william there. let's have a look at the video of prince william busting some shakes. seesahai si king i. well, he's quite the mover and shaker , isn't he? but mover and shaker, isn't he? but he looked very happy. does anyone on the panel think actually , it's very unbecoming actually, it's very unbecoming for the future monarch to be dancing? i won't tell you who said that to me today, but someone said that to me and said it was quite demeaning of him for a future king to be dancing. >> i said leave off. yeah, his wife's going through cancer, i like it. his brothers are treacherous. little toad. he's had to deal with. his dad's got cancer. had to deal with. his dad's got cancer . yeah. why shouldn't he cancer. yeah. why shouldn't he be able to go to a concert and have a laugh? >> and i was going to say leaders hair down. but he hasn't got that much. >> it makes them more real. it makes them like you and i. they're real people who enjoy a concert, of course. >> and what have you got? >> and what have you got? >> middle eastern monarchies love shake it off. >> oh, boom boom. let's seek, yes. >> so mine is, i'm sure many of you on twitter may have seen

this, but, regardless if you haven't, it's definitely worth watching. so amid all the boring election coverage, somebody online, we're not sure who it is, but they've made some, deepfakes . they're called ai deepfakes. they're called ai generated videos of sir keir starmer nigel farage playing a video game called minecraft. you don't need to know much about the video game itself, but the fact that they've managed to get these fake videos of sir keir and nigel talking in quite a humorous way, i found quite funny. take a look at this. >> so some of you may be wondering how i plan on getting my revenge. well, let me show you. i've actually taken the liberty to locate nigel's favourite spot on the server , favourite spot on the server, which is this little pub you can see here. >> and before you all start asking, no, this is not the same one where that girl hilariously threw a milkshake over him. so, as you can see here, i've set up as you can see here, i've set up a trap door powered by these pressure plates. when he walks through the door, he will fall all the way down into this pit, and i've actually prepared a nice little surprise for him when he gets down there. so chat. let's wait for him to get onune chat. let's wait for him to get online and see what happens. >> look at this chat. it's absolutely marvellous. i'm back on the server in my favourite spot. on the server in my favourite spot . i can't wait to get in

spot. i can't wait to get in there and have a pint with the lads. there and have a pint with the lads . wait. what's this? be lads. wait. what's this? be careful. milkshake spillage . careful. milkshake spillage. okay, chat. i'm getting kind of scared. who did this ? i guess scared. who did this? i guess we'll go in, shall we? what the hell is going on? oh my goodness! what is happening ? i goodness! what is happening? i swear to god, if this was kia, i'm going to be having words. >> so as i said, you don't need to know too much about the video game. it doesn't matter. but it's just extraordinary that some people i mean, it's i it's artificial intelligence called a deepfake. they've managed and it's very convincing. they've managed to get secure. and nigel talking, i mean, they didn't say that stuff . it's just fake. it's that stuff. it's just fake. it's not true. >> i think this is fantastic. i've heard so much concern about deepfakes and disinformation and russia and manipulation. in fact, the only real use of deepfakes in this election is the one thing to actually make us laugh and be phenomenal meme potential . potential. >> now, speaking of deepfakes, i wish it was a deepfake. benjamin butterworth , what have you got butterworth, what have you got for us? >> well, i can finally answer the world's ugliest dog, and yes, it is darren. you look

lovely there, though i must say . lovely there, though i must say. so this is no, i, josh, it's actually a californian dog called wildfang, and it's an eight year old pekingese, and it has won in california the competition to be named the world's ugliest dog. now it does actually have a it is a disease called canine distemper, i think. oh, i don't know what that means or what that does. >> you just accept him for who he is, well , >> you just accept him for who he is, well, he's living his true life. >> and that dog is. that dog is beautiful. now this dog actually lost the competition to be the world's ugliest dog for the previous couple of years, the owner kept entering wild thing . owner kept entering wild thing. i don't know what's worse. to be the world's ugliest dog. or to try and be the world's ugliest dog and fail, right? yes. >> well , dog and fail, right? yes. >> well, we're going to have to leave it there. >> but thank you very much to the panel for that. that was good fun. still ahead though, we'll be taking your questions lie—ins. and, well, i you've been pc. you're with the saturday

gb news. welcome back to the saturday five as ever. thank you very much for writing in with your emails about tonight's topics . emails about tonight's topics. but it's actually time for this . but it's actually time for this. >> right. let's see what you lovely viewers and i hope i'm going to be saying. >> your lovely viewers, after i've read them out, have sent us this week. the first one comes from katie and katie wants to know if the panel would go to a taylor swift concert. yes, i absolutely would. yeah, i would, who wouldn't know why i don't like her music, i don't i don't see the fascination with her. >> i, you know, people comparing to , her say, michael jackson or to, her say, michael jackson or the beatles. i mean, come on. >> well, they're not it's not just that they're comparing her, it's that her record sales and her ticket sales have exceeded

those. so she's broken the record? yes. >> and only would i go to a taylor swift concert? i am going to the taylor swift concert next friday evening, and i've been counting down all year to it. i think she's one of the, best, if not the best performer. >> what do you like about her? >> what do you like about her? >> she's a brilliant songwriter. >> she's a brilliant songwriter. >> she's. she's a brilliant, lyricist. and poet. she's able shakeit lyricist. and poet. she's able shake it off. >> shake. >> shake. >> she's able to shake it. so, so, so she's able to move through different generations in her music. so, yeah, you've got an early one. more, more, more poppy - an early one. more, more, more poppy - and an early one. more, more, more poppy . and then she goes poppy. and then she goes through. yeah, i have to admit, i now have a five year old who gets in the car and says, can we play gets in the car and says, can we play blank space? mummy >> oh that's cute right? >> oh that's cute right? >> the second question, i would also just add to that i think she's a really good role model. >> i think, you know, she, she's she's given she's been famous for about writing songs about them. >> no i think she does a lot of twerking. no. >> she's a great businesswoman. >> she's a great businesswoman. >> she's a great businesswoman. >> she is i mean come on, she's a she's a strong woman. she's intelligent . intelligent. >> she's successful with having multiple boys. >> so she doesn't she doesn't do sort of lots of the inappropriate behaviour that a lot of pop stars do these days.

>> they've got many questions to get through. the second question is from jamie. i assume it's not jamie redknapp. should england sack gareth southgate ? yes, sack gareth southgate? yes, i absolutely think they should. that performance the other day against denmark was abysmal, wasn't it? yeah, i honestly felt like they're coming. >> they're not. it was just bonng >> they're not. it was just boring home. >> i was just boring. politics was driving me mad until i watched that game and then thought, goodness gracious, he should have been sacked. >> after the world cup semi—final against croatia. he should have then been sacked at the euro 2020 semi—final. sorry final against italy when they went one up and blew it. yeah. >> sack him. >> sack him. >> all right. this next question i want to be answered by, benjamin butterworth. mole has written in and mole says would jeremy corbyn have been a better prime minister than boris johnson ? johnson? >> well, i didn't want either, and i thought it was a terrible choice for the country to face, but i think it would be difficult to be a worse prime minister than boris johnson. i think it's definitely possible , think it's definitely possible, as is evident by, you know, the collapsing trust in the tory party and his unpopularity. >> but you love ukraine so much.

and boris was the first person to arm ukraine to support ukraine. he's still supporting them now even though he's out of office. so do you not support him doing that? yeah, i do praise him for that. yeah. because, you know, he wasn't the worst prime minister ever. >> well, that wasn't the question. if you. >> that jeremy wouldn't have done that, well , he would have done that, well, he would have done that, well, he would have done what about? because labour mps would have expected that he committed to nato in labour's manifesto ? no, well, i highly manifesto? no, well, i highly doubt it. and i also disagree with that. >> who stood with hezbollah, with hamas, who stood with the enemies of the west in russia and putin, his friends again and again . he would have been an again. he would have been an awful prime minister. and on top of that, all the disastrous economic policies he would have been trying just as the covid pandemic. >> i think deep down in your icy little heart, you know that we're speaking the truth . we're speaking the truth. >> but i don't care for either of them. i think they're both do not deserve the job of prime minister. and, you know, i'd say our year has gone by. the country clearly feels that way about both of them. just just i would point out you would answer the question. i would point out that the most unpopular leader that's been in modern times is liz truss, not jeremy corbyn. >> liz truss alone. liz truss is obsessed.

>> liz truss has a popularity, has an approval rating the same as north korea and kim jong un. that's how despised she harry out harriet rather harry rat harriet has written in saying is anyone else worried about travelling to tenerife this summer? >> no, no, you're not happening in tenerife . in tenerife. >> why? but the missing teenager jane slater. yeah i went to tenerife in january. it was a very lovely holiday . it was very lovely holiday. it was warm, very safe, look, i think unfortunately people go missing. yeah. >> this poor young boy, he was at a music festival . one wonders at a music festival. one wonders whether he was very drunk or maybe some drugs, and he strayed off and got lost. i feel very sorry for him and his family, and i think until we found him, that's where it should stay. >> god. god. hope. like save him and all that. and our last question comes from tilda , who question comes from tilda, who asks, is this election boring? do you know what, tilda? i think it was until nigel farage got on the pitch and then suddenly it's not boring. the bbc should have had him on that debate on thursday. i think it was a damn disgrace not to, and he would have lightened the place up a

little bit. don't you agree, benjamin? >> well, i don't think that politicians should be there as a performance art. >> you know, i'm really sick of people like boris johnson giving sir keir starmer, but i really think that their job is to run the country, not to entertain you. >> thank you very much to my beautiful panel. you've been marvellous, next up folks, it's the brilliant leo kearse with the brilliant leo kearse with the saturday night showdown. cheers for watching. see you next week . next week. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers sponsors of weather on . gb news. on. gb news. >> hi there and welcome to the latest update from the met office for gb news. the weather is turning warmer and sunnier dunng is turning warmer and sunnier during the next few days . there during the next few days. there will be some cloudier spells for the next 24 hours or so before high pressure takes a firm hold across the uk and leads to a long settled spell. now, this weak weather front is just edging into the west of scotland through the evening, as well as

parts of northern ireland. some thicker cloud for a time, some patchy light rain and drizzle that will tend to sink into northern and western england as well as wales. extensive low cloud is expected here. some mist around the hills and coasts and some drizzle first thing sunday. otherwise increasingly sunny skies for scotland. northern ireland and for parts of east anglia, as well as the south—east it's going to feel fresh first thing, but temperatures will rise quickly through the morning because of the sunnier skies. however, we've got that mist around the coast of the southwest, as well as parts of wales and drizzle over the hills , and that will over the hills, and that will take some time to clear up dunng take some time to clear up during the morning. northern england, scotland, northern ireland increasingly sunny through the day and with that sunshine, we're going to see some higher temperatures compared with much of june so far. but as i say, the mist and low cloud that will be lurking around southwestern shores could take some time to clear. and somewhere like torbay could keep

that fog around the coast through the day. come inland and skies will brighten nicely by the afternoon and with sunny spells developing widely, temperatures will reach 25 celsius in the south—east 20 to 22 celsius generally elsewhere . 22 celsius generally elsewhere. monday morning starts off with a lot of cloud across western scotland and northern ireland. some patchy rain and drizzle elsewhere for another day of warm, sunny spells and increasing temperatures. we're looking at highs on monday into the high 20s, and by tuesday and wednesday the possibility of 30 degrees looks like things are heating up. >> boxt boilers sponsors of weather

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