is stories tonight. labour is calling on the gambling commission to name candidates being investigated over the election date. betting scandal. pat mcfadden, labour's shadow chancellor of the duchy of lancaster , has written to the lancaster, has written to the commission's ceo urging for the details to be released before polling day. it comes amid reports that the conservative party's chief data officer, nick mason , has taken a leave of mason, has taken a leave of absence. the tories director of campaigns, tony leigh and his wife laura saunders , are also wife laura saunders, are also being probed, as is the prime minister's parliamentary private secretary, craig williams, who's admitted to an error of judgement . well, the labour judgement. well, the labour leader has suggested that benefits offer less dignity to people than earning a living through work. sir keir starmer took aim at handouts from the state. in a piece for the sunday telegraph, he said serving the interests of working people means understanding that they want success more than state support . his comments come as

support. his comments come as the latest savanta poll shows labour on 42% of the vote and the tories on just 19. flights have restarted at manchester airport after a quarter were cancelled due to a power outage. earlier, all flights from terminals one and two were cancelled and passengers advised not to come to the airport after a major power cut caused huge queues and disruption to baggage processing . work is now underway processing. work is now underway to reschedule them in the coming days, and tomorrow's flights are not thought to be affected . not thought to be affected. search teams are attempting to locate british teenager jay slater have narrowed their efforts to small buildings close to where his phone last pinged in tenerife. jay slater went missing on monday after he attended a music festival on the spanish island. those conducting the searches today could be seen looking into blue barrels outside one of those small buildings, just before he went missing, the 19 year old called a friend, saying he was lost and needed water. well, two people

have been arrested on suspicion of murder after a man died at a bournemouth holiday park. dorset police were called to warmwell houday police were called to warmwell holiday park, where a man in his 70s was located in the water and subsequently pronounced dead at the scene. a man and a woman, both in their 50s and known to the victim, were arrested on suspicion of murder. the woman were told, was also arrested on suspicion of perverting the course of justice. of course, we'll bring you more on this story as we get it . and scotland story as we get it. and scotland fans have been arriving at the mbpj arena in stuttgart as they get ready to take on hungary in their final group a game of the euros football tournament. the clash could see scotland reach the knockout stage of a major tournament for the first time. critics didn't give the injury hit scots much of a hope after their five one opening loss to hosts germany in munich, but a one all draw with the swiss has placed them within reach of qualification. well, for the latest stories you can sign up to gb news alerts by scanning

the qr code on your screen right now, or go to news.com.au alerts i >> -- >> james lam >> james may gets into trouble over pride flags. carry on films are set for a reboot and diversity, equity and inclusion gets an upgrade. this is free speech nation . welcome to free speech nation. welcome to free speech nation. welcome to free speech nation. welcome to free speech nation with me, andrew doyle. this is the show where we take a look at culture, current affairs and politics. and of course, we'll have the latest from those lovable culture warriors who this week got an african mask removed from a museum display. in the interest of cultural safety. so coming up on the show tonight, ella whelan will be here to tell us why pro—palestine protests should not be banned from the streets of central london. and after tv

presenter james of central london. and after tv presenterjames may's of central london. and after tv presenter james may's tweet about there being too much bunting for pride. i'll be debating if the month long celebrations are just a little bit excessive. and of course, myself and my fantastic panel will be answering questions from our wonderful studio audience . our wonderful studio audience. my our wonderful studio audience. my comedian guests this evening are cressida wetton and steve n allen. hello. hello. how are you? >> very well . >> very well. >> very well. >> doing all right? yeah. >> doing all right? yeah. >> very well. take vitamins. >> very well. take vitamins. >> you do take vitamins. that accounts for your robust constitution. why thank you. yes and your, frankly, your beauty. yeah. >> and, you know, obviously, every so often, a little bit scary when you forget you've taken that many vitamins and you think, oh, i'm dehydrated, but it's not. it's just the berocca going through, i understand. >> and what about you, chris? >> and what about you, chris? >> i recommend vegetables and fruits. >> you are old fashioned. i am like a tradwife. >> yes, yes. that's it. >> that's you. >> that's you. >> the worst thing happens with beetroot is what i'm saying. if you forget you've eaten beetroot, the next thing you bookitin beetroot, the next thing you book it in for a check—up. >> okay, i think it's about time we get our audience involved. let's go straight to them. we've got a question first from john.

john hello, how young is too young for children to be confronted with what i see as the three main wokester shibboleths diversity , equity shibboleths diversity, equity and inclusion. >> yes. or die! as it is well known, i'm actually going to be speaking to james lindsay about die later on, but this is specifically i think, john, you're talking about this australian news which has broken from the institute of public affairs, and they're saying that a lot of parents are not aware in australia of the ideological curriculum, and it's going to kids, i think, as young as three. they were saying, is that right, steve? >> yeah. surely the kids can't understand. it must be done for some other reason. you can't teach. >> would that be do you think so? >> it looks good on your prospectus. so you can show like, oh, look what we're doing, aren't we good. >> yes. you say that. but then the youngest, child to be referred to the tavistock was for that was a child from ireland. so but again, that's probably people imposing adults imposing. >> so are you claiming that four year old totally understood all of the connotations? lie—ins. >> i'm saying they absolutely did. yeah. yeah. of course.

yeah. >> i mean, it's an age where you really should be nailing the alphabet. yes maybe trying to work out all this, adding up, not subtracting. let's not get ahead of yourselves, but then to suddenly go from trying to learn these basics to these difficult subjects that people still argue about. well, exactly. >> step and die is going to i mean, alphabetically, it's going to confuse them. >> it's i mean, all this learning about at three, i think you should still be learning what crayons taste like. i don't think there's a lot to be learning. this is very cynical, isn't it? it's a bit like when banks try and make children's accounts with fun cartoons like get them young and then we can have them forever. >> if you're an activist, of course it is interesting that's happening in australia, perhaps more than it's happening here. i mean, why is canada, australia , mean, why is canada, australia, all the old colonies? yeah, they seem to be. >> there's a thing in there where you read the whole article. a lot of it is focusing on paying attention to the indigenous people mentioning you. it makes make sure you respect them. i suppose it's just more guilt. no one really did that here. you know, there were some dirty old brits who gotinvaded were some dirty old brits who got invaded by the romans. yes. whereas there are some issues, i

suppose, if you're australian. yes, that's right. >> we need more guilt, is what you're saying. >> they need more guilt. we do not know. >> we have plenty of guilt. >> we have plenty of guilt. >> yeah. got loads. >> yeah. got loads. >> okay. >> okay. >> australia can be quite authoritarian. and during covid it was although we've got this idea that they're all cowabunga cool surf dudes like no they know there's quite a lot of. >> it's pretty bad over there. yeah. okay. well let's get a question now from gavin. gavin should museums remove artefact from, for culture, safety? the safety this is. well, this is the claim that has been made, of course, by the pitt rivers museum, which is in oxford. they're keeping these masks, these african masks, out of view because . because my because. because my understanding is, in the original culture, only men were able to view the masks. correct, and so therefore, they don't want women of your people like you. people like me. >> you know, in oxford. that's right. they've decided which i mean, it makes me question what? what's the purpose of a museum? because it's surely to learn about other cultures, isn't it? they can't just have a sign on the outside that says there's some other cultures, but we're not going to tell you about

them. i mean, ultimately, lots of things would become sacred and special. >> yeah. i mean, look, my knowledge of ancient egypt, for instance, isn't great, but i don't think you're meant to open the sarcophagus with the pharaoh inside, but i think they do that kind of thing at the british museum. are they not disrespecting the ancient cultures? there >> i think there's a there's a difference between cracking open the place where someone's been buned the place where someone's been buried and this mask, which we would put on display for everyone. you're not allowed to see it because you're related. it's like when yorkie bars did the it's not for girls campaign. yes, but just done in a museum instead. >> why don't they have a separate room for men where they just put the male only artefacts? wouldn't that be the solution? >> and the women can wait outside? yeah, they can wait outside? yeah, they can wait outside and sort of make some tea or online shopping. yeah. you've solved it, andrea. >> isn't that the most. >> isn't that the most. >> that sounds entirely reasonable. that's the most progressive solution. absolutely not. no, they shouldn't do that. they could give i always say put a plaque on it. they could leave some details about the culture and say, this is the context in which it would have been viewed originally. you can decide not to look. ladies but otherwise

it's the problem is who is deciding who gets to see it? i suppose it's the men. is the answer to that. >> well, yeah. okay. absolutely. all right. well, it's an interesting story. anyway, we're going to move on to another audience question. this is from john. john. hi, john. >> hi. yeah. thank you. my question is, are all of our tv shows going woke? >> yeah, that's a question i hear a lot, and this week, the question was levelled about the amazon prime show. the boys, i only saw one episode of it, and i hated it so much that i decided not to carry on, so maybe i've got this wrong, but there's accusations that, it's gone. woke. but my understanding is that there's just been a gay character, right? yeah. that's not going work. >> that's not what it means, because it is basically just gratuitous violence and sci fi. i've been watching every episode. andrew i absolutely love it. so in series four now and before the main character is and before the main character is a bit trumpian, right? but you could spot that in series two. i think it's series two where the main bad guy is literally a nazi because she's lived long enough that because she doesn't age, because she's got superpowers. so this this thread's been in there anyway, right? and yeah, there's a lot of like the

character is called homelander, right? so there's that kind of vibe to it. but in this series, there's a gay kiss with a bisexual character. the same series that includes a superhero who can replicate himself and without going too graphic . have without going too graphic. have you seen the film human centipede? right. >> let's leave it there. so yeah, but this is the weird thing. i don't think the woke means what these people think it means. having a gay character is not woke. >> well, no, that's right, but i haven't. i'm not a fan for all the reasons steve loves it. i don't watch it. yeah, yeah. and i wonder whether there's an element of it. feeling forced, i don't know, i know sometimes people feel a bit patronised don't they. yeah. >> there is that. it's like when they snuck in the gay kiss at they snuck in the gay kiss at the end of star wars the lesbian kiss. and you thought it really wasn't necessary, right? i mean, when it felt like you were being lectured as a result of it. >> .exactly. and that wind s >> .exactly. and that winds people up. so sometimes what happens is they're being accused of being bigoted about the content of the thing. and that's not actually they wouldn't necessarily care if somebody was bisexual. no. >> but this is also a show made in hollywood, right? yeah so it's bound to be made by woke

people anyway, right? so why is anyone surprised? >> but the actual thing that you're discussing, the plotline that you're thinking maybe it's forced upon you? i can tell you it's not. it's actually an interesting storyline. this character kills this guy's family because he was an assassin, and the next thing they bump into each other, they have a relationship. oh some storyline. what would it be like to be having a sexual relationship with someone with all that guilt in there? that's that's not forced upon kind of, oh, you should love the gay kiss. so is it as bad as the first episode was? >> because i really couldn't stand it? does it get better? >> it gets so much better. oh, if you didn't watch the full first series, you don't know what homelander is into. he gets his, he gets his milk. put it that way. it's good for him. >> don't know what that means, i don't want to speculate. let's move on to a question from andrea. andrea, hi, is the world ready for a reboot of the carry on franchise? are you a fan? >> andrea of the. >> andrea of the. >> i am of the original, but i remember in the 90s they rebooted it with the likes of juuan rebooted it with the likes of julian clary, and that wasn't so good. but i like the original so that was carry on columbus. >> that was the 31st film, but i

don't see that as a reboot because it was directed by the same person who directed all the others. so it was a more a continuation, just with a big long gap in between. but you're right, carry on. columbus didn't really work. jim dale was in it, though, and he was in some of the older ones as well, i know way too much about carry on. but but they are rebooting it. they're not rebooting it. they're not rebooting it. they're not rebooting it. they're not remaking or anything. they're making new ones. and i think without sid james, joan sims, hattie jakes, charles hawtrey, kenneth williams, is there really such a thing as carry on? >> i would argue no, but that's not necessarily a reason to not do it, because is the world ready? i think the world's gagging for it and the carry on films, no, i just i think you pitch for in writers gig. >> yeah. you want to be in the thing? exactly. >> no, i yeah, i mean, i think, i think there could be a big following, couldn't they? >> i mean, who's still alive? i mean, jim dale is still alive. he could be in it. perhaps but that's it. i think because barbara windsor is no longer with us. there's you know, i what could it work? because also it's that sort of seaside postcard saucy humour. yeah. we're far too well knowing now,

aren't we? we've seen too much. our innocence has been taken from us, so we're not going to find that funny anymore, are we? you get the well, if you've watched the boys, you will not get your innocence back. >> trust me. no, but no, i think it's actually a form of escapism. you can watch this. and it's the silly jokes that don't really mean anything, but they're a little bit rude. yeah, a little nudge nudge, wink wink. it's a time to kind of let go of all the worries of things being too serious. the remake or whatever you'd like to call it, the carry on columbus. i still remember the joke where there's the sharks in the water and the woman says, do they? would they eat me all and i can't even finish the joke. but it is such a good one. as long as there's jokes like that in it, we can all enjoy. >> okay, so it'll be full of double entendre in that thing. so maybe, maybe it'll work. i don't know, i just think it's very much of its time, you know? i'm just not sure that it'll work anymore anyway. okay, let's get a question from jeff. jeff hello, jeff. >> good evening. why is the bbc looking for dead candidates? >> ha ha ha. >> ha ha ha. >> well, it's not, it was a typo. basically, there was a job advert and the bbc was asking whether people identify as deaf,

and accidentally wrote dead, but it was. do you identify as deaf, disabled or neurodivergent? i don't think you can identify as those things anyway. you either are disabled or you aren't. well, yes . i are disabled or you aren't. well, yes. i mean, are disabled or you aren't. well, yes . i mean, well, unless well, yes. i mean, well, unless you it's part of your innate sense of yourself, i don't know. what do you think, no, i think you're right. and doubly so for deadness. i think that really? >> yeah . >> yeah. >> yeah. >> very binary. >> very binary. >> you know, i haven't seen people identify as dead yet. is that the next thing? i have seen someone identify as disabled ? someone identify as disabled? there was a guy being interviewed on some scandinavian tv program who said he just always felt disabled. so he was sat there in this, wheelchair. but he was perfectly fine. and the interviewer was just completely respecting this and going along with this. wow. yeah. so >> well, fantastic. applied to the bbc, i wonder if it's a sort of freudian slip and they're worried their own days are numbered because people do talk about that a lot, don't they? at the end of the bbc? yeah, maybe. >> what do you think about this one? >> this was a job application for people to work in. the audio department. now if am i being harsh for saying if you are

deaf? >> no, but if you identify as deaf, you might actually have fantastic hearing. >> thank heavens. in that case then yeah, they should hire those. that makes a lot of sense how. >> now. >> dead? definitely not. >> dead? definitely not. >> no less. so look, i've worked at the bbc before and there are some people who work there who have the same level of productivity as someone who's been dead for a couple of years. so it wouldn't make difference. >> that's true. you might as well get a bunch of cadavers to run the place. couldn't get any worse, could it? anyway, let's move on, next, after the break, i'm going to be speaking to journalist and commentator ella whelan, and she's going to be here to say why she thinks it's important that the authorities do not ban protests in central london. you're watching free speech nation on gb news. don't go anywhere

welcome back to free speech nafion welcome back to free speech nation . pro—palestine protests nation. pro—palestine protests have continually taken place in

central london and across the country. ever since the october 7th attacks in israel. what has also become clear with the rise of these protests is the increase in anti—semitism. police forces have been under extreme pressure to get control of the protests and the abuse . of the protests and the abuse. but does the answer lie in banning the protests completely ? banning the protests completely? well, journalist and author ella whelan has written on the subject and she joins me now. welcome to the show. hi. hi. hello a lot of people are saying that jewish people who are living in central london are very nervous about going into the centre of town at the moment. and being accosted by certain individuals. we have seen overt expressions of anti—semitism from a minority of the protesters . so what is the solution? >> well, number one, i think the solution is not to panic and call for censorship. and that's not me in any way trying to downplay the genuine feelings of members of the jewish community because we've all seen elements of those protests. it's not the whole protest , but significant whole protest, but significant elements of them that are just grotesque , threatening, nasty.

grotesque, threatening, nasty. you know, you've had scenes of individuals running down side streets saying that they want to find jews, things like that, which is it's not political . which is it's not political. it's just, intimidation and horrible. so the reason why i say, don't panic is because i think what's happened is that there's been this sort of narrative painted that central london or any sort of part of the area is a no go zone for jews, because of these individuals on the protests. and i think that's one not true. and two, not a great message to send to jewish people that there are no go zones for them. we should actually be a bit calmer and say, number one, we should argue that the police do their job. but also let's not panic about this, because when we panic, we lose a sense of sort of rationality. and i think the censorship point that i made is probably the most important, because the way to fight anti—semitism, which should be our number one priority, is to argue about it and to reveal the

inadequacies in the arguments of not just those sort of islamist tendencies in the in the protest, but the whole protest has a problem with anti—semitism. they might not all be holding pictures of netanyahu dressed up like an octopus. and all these sort of overt expressions of anti—semitism. but the general sense in the protest is, you know, commonly understood that israel is committing genocide, that, you know , that it's a that, you know, that it's a unique state committing unique evil and all those things leads to a situation which anti—semitism grows so you can't ban all of that. how do you deal with it? you have to argue against it. and that's asking the jewish community. i know after millennia of persecution , after millennia of persecution, often to say, okay, you're going to have to toughen up and deal with these horrible people yet again, i know that's not a small ask, but i think the only way for us to get out of a situation which we keep repeating the mistakes of anti—semitism is to deal with it head on. >> i mean, there's a lot of arguments, aren't there, about

the meaning of certain phrases, phrases like from the river to the sea. some of the people who chant it will claim that there's nothing anti—semitic about that whatsoever, whereas a lot of members of the jewish community would would say that. of course it is. there's the conflation of anti—semitism and anti—zionism, and there's debate surrounding all of this stuff. but are there any sort of clear cut cases of overt anti—semitism which is also threatening or harassing or bullying or whatever, which you would say, actually, that's when the police should step in. >> i think the police should step in when there's a genuine threat of violence, incitement to violence , and when, you know, to violence, and when, you know, the law is broken in terms of harassment , the law is broken in terms of harassment, you the law is broken in terms of harassment , you know, if the law is broken in terms of harassment, you know, if you follow a jewish man down the street and say and point at them and shout at them repeatedly from the river to the sea, that's obviously stepping from political protest into the harassment of an individual. and i think you use the term clear cut . i i think you use the term clear cut. i kind i think you use the term clear cut . i kind of i think you use the term clear cut. i kind of think there can't be clear cut lines to a degree in this, because more broadly, the sort of distinction between the sort of distinction between the freedom to protest, which is i will defend it till i die,

which is a vital right in a democratic society. and wanting to take a stand against bigotry and persecution and racism. you know that line, it has grey areas and it's in the grey areas where we need to sort of be flexible because, you know, we have had in response to these really quite large pro—palestine marches, a lot of them happening on weekends in central london from , for example, some of the from, for example, some of the right of the conservative party is to say, just hit the band button completely. yes, yes. and just, you know, it. give the police blanket new powers, you know to because, you know, the police are so good. just let's give them more powers. yeah so terrifying prospect, the lord walney report , which was about walney report, which was about sort of political violence, hinged off of some of the pro—palestine sort of march. the context of that , and then context of that, and then started talking about, well, we should ban protest outside , you should ban protest outside, you know, the houses of parliament, because mps are under such threat. so you can see how it starts to the sort of the space

of freedom of protest starts to narrow and narrow and narrow. yes and the reason why we can't say it's clear cut, because there are always going to be nuances. i mean, you know, even the issue of the phrase from the river to the sea, i find it hard in the current context to understand why someone would say it without understanding how it how it sounds , how it offends how it sounds, how it offends the jewish community. >> similarly, the phrase intifada and a lot of people will say, well, we just mean a peaceful struggle. and of course , the last intifada, it wasn't people handing out flowers, was it? no >> and, you know, you can't help but compare it to, for example , but compare it to, for example, there's no tolerance for someone saying, well, i use the n word in a joyful way as a celebration . you know, it just doesn't happen because we understand that there's , you know, what that there's, you know, what you're doing when you use that word. people know what they're doing when they use the phrase from the river to the sea or intifada. but do i want it to be banned? do i think, do i want to go there to say that words are so offensive that they need to, that people need to be protected

from them? no, because i'm a free speech absolutist, whether it's in relation to racism against black people, anti—semitism against jews, misogyny against women, all the rest of it, i think we need to just remember our principles. they're being tested at the moment because anti—semitism is so virulent and obvious and yet so virulent and obvious and yet so ignored by by, you know , lots so ignored by by, you know, lots of people in politics. >> so you're saying even if there is a placard say that is thatis there is a placard say that is that is overtly anti—semitic, but it doesn't involve a threat? yeah. you would say that should be tolerated . be tolerated. >> it's a disgusting sentiment, but it's part of political speech. there are lots of things that people think at the moment and say, whether it's in relation to israel, gaza or whether it's in relation to some of the other more contentious issues politically that i would that i would find offensive. i don't think we should be afraid of saying these things are offensive and we should pass judgement. by the way. yes, yes . judgement. by the way. yes, yes. it's not that. it's not that you say, well, this placard is allowed to stand and everyone leave them alone. you're not allowed to say anything. yeah, yeah, i would hope that. and i would want to put pressure on people on those protests to say

it's your responsibility. let any of us who've ever organised any of us who've ever organised a protest, it's your responsibility to turn around and look at the placards around you. and if someone's carrying something that you don't agree with, you don't kick them up the backside and get them arrested. but you say, hang on a minute, that's not what we think . you that's not what we think. you have a route and you hope that you persuade them to take it down. >> because we do see the sort of normalisation of some pretty ugly ideas in certain protests. we've seen signs in even protests amongst trans activists where there are signs saying decapitate terfs and that kind of thing. in fact, some snp politicians were photographed to next that. no one's looking around. or if they are looking around, they're just turning a blind eye. so you're saying that actually they have to sort of self—police, i think we have a responsibility that, you know , responsibility that, you know, free speech and a free society means that you have a responsibility to self—police, but that you set the terms of the debate . the debate. >> the thing, the reason i have such an objection to police into ference in political life, it's not because i have some kind of, you know, bug about the police or that i think the government

has no role at all in how, you know, social norms of society, but it's that it's a fundamentally undemocratic view. it's the idea that the public can't be trusted to have conversations about big issues , conversations about big issues, live world issues, like what's happening in israel and gaza. what has to happen is the sort of the grown ups, the police , of the grown ups, the police, the state has to step in and stop us from talking to each other . and that, you know, other. and that, you know, obviously some of the behaviour on these protests is both violent and childish. you know , violent and childish. you know, it's this kind of weird mix. but i think we have to we have to defend the idea that it's us who set social norms . it's us that set social norms. it's us that defend what is right and wrong. it's us that sort of, you know, defend our political views in the open public square rather than having the authorities come in and do it for us because if we give away that agency, i don't agree with the government. well, this current government i don't agree with on anything , don't agree with on anything, literally anything. so why would i give away and, you know, you take your average police officer on the street, i'm sure i

wouldn't agree with them either. so if you give away your agency of saying you decide what i should think, what i should hean should think, what i should hear, what i should engage with, then you've got nothing left and there's something to be said for anti—semites outing themselves, isn't there? yeah, but also to having their minds changed. i know that's i know that's a hard stretch to think of at the moment, because nothing , i hope moment, because nothing, i hope nothing would drive me whatever context environmentally. in other words, to hold a placard saying death to the jews or anything like that. but you know , i don't think these people are unreachable. and i think actually there's a sort of a tight extremist section , tight extremist section, perhaps, who are unreachable. but then there are supporters and apologists around them. i want to get at those people. i want to get at those people. i want to get at those people. i want to change those people's minds. >> ella whelan, thanks so much for joining me. thanks and next forjoining me. thanks and next on free speech nation, we're going to be discussing more of the topics of the week brought forward by our lovely studio audience. please don't go anywhere

welcome back to free speech nafion welcome back to free speech nation with me, andrew doyle. later in the show, i'll be turning agony uncle with the help of my panel, cressida wetton and steve n allen, to help you deal with your unfiltered dilemmas. so if you've got any problems whatsoever, don't be shy. message us @gbnews news.com/your say and we'll help you deal with all of your issues. so let's get some questions now from the audience. our first question comes from anton. anton. hello. >> do you think it's okay to still refer to someone as dear dear? >> well, it depends where you are in the country , doesn't it? are in the country, doesn't it? really? but apparently this is in suffolk. there's a story about a care home in suffolk. they've actually introduced a waiver on names like love or dean waiver on names like love or dear. so in other words, the families of the patients are being asked to sign a consent form to grant staff permission to say dear to their loved one. now, if you're in the north of england or somewhere like that, that's actually quite normal. you don't need a consent form,

do you? >> is it to call somebody dear? >> is it to call somebody dear? >> all right love? oh i don't know about that. >> no . >> no. >> no. >> i think we'll come to you in a minute. steve, this is i think if somebody calls me dear, i always find a way to call it them straight back immediately. >> all right dear. yes. thank you dear. >> oh, do you find it patronising? >> it's not for me. i mean i wouldn't, i wouldn't be filling in any, any complaint forms about it, but no i think this is about it, but no i think this is a good idea. this highlights the fact that it's a bit patronising. >> okay. >> okay. >> what do you think? sweet cheeks? >> yeah. >> yeah. >> it's the second time you've called me that today, the this is ridiculous. i mean, so i'm from the north where where i'm from the north where where i'm from in that part of the midlands. duck men call other men duck . duck. it's absolutely men duck. duck. it's absolutely fine. it's a term of endearment. it's because you can't be bothered to memorise everyone's name. you should say a nice thing to them. >> it's like mate or something, isn't it? >> yeah, pal. sweet cheeks. >> yeah, pal. sweet cheeks. >> as you said, mates on the same level, dear. >> it's like it's quite. and these are older people i know, dean >>i dean >> ihear dean >> i hear it a lot in yorkshire, in places like that. >> yeah. and i think the older people thing actually is the

opposite direction you're going argumentatively older people have a thicker skin. they don't mind it. they're not going to be, oh, how very dare you. this is, this is not like gen z where there'll be like, some tiktok about it. no one's going to me to a underpaid carer. just because they called you sweetheart. that's just what you do at that age . yeah. do at that age. yeah. >> and here, darling, quite a lot, didn't you? in cockney world, darling? >> actually, that's that's what i call paul cox. or sometimes petal or petal. but that's a very special situation . very special situation. >> you signed the form. >> you signed the form. >> i can't believe you're actually offended by this. you surprised me. >> i just think it's a bit naff. >> i just think it's a bit naff. >> a bit naff. okay, fine. all right, well, let's get another question now. this one actually came in from email from yolanda, who asks , does israel need to who asks, does israel need to provide an exit plan over the war in gaza? wow, well , provide an exit plan over the war in gaza? wow, well, i'm sure we're well equipped to deal with that one. >> can we go back to the previous one again, talking about old people? >> i mean, it's a very serious question. it's a good point in so far as you know, has there been sufficient thought into what happens next? you know, i mean, there's all these debates about, whether israel has the right to continue its campaign

within rafah, but there's not really discussions about, okay, once they've cleared out hamas, what then? because the gaza will be, in quite a parlous state at that point. yeah i would say no, there's not enough of a plan there. >> so much so that it's causing problems within the political system in israel. this is not one of those, issues where there's two separate sides of this. and, you know, people who hate israel have a point of view. no. even within the government itself, they are splitting up about this, coalition of national unity. >> well, they had the national unity straight after october the 7th, you know, and it was all sides were behind. and now the war cabinet's been dissolved. so what? but it is tricky. >> it's tricky. and you need to have well, netanyahu needs to have well, netanyahu needs to have some sort of a plan that's going to make him look tough to keep the right side of it on because he's basically teamed up with the right wing of the political system over there. yes. meanwhile, the centrists are now against him again, as things probably should be, i suppose. actually, you need a political system that has opposition so that you can get some clarity. and that's what you don't have during a time of

national unity. >> but of course, israel didn't never want it to be in gaza. they withdrew from gaza many, many years ago. and but will they have to remain there as a consequence of this as a result? >> well, it's very difficult, isn't it? and the idea that you're just going to get rid of hamas and then that's all gone and dealt with. it sounds very naive to me. >> well, a lot of people say you can't get rid of the ideology. exactly. but you can utterly dismantle this terrorist group. that can be done. yes. although they do want to do that. maybe they do want to do that. maybe they ought to go after some of they ought to go after some of the leaders in qatar, you know. >> exactly. that's the problem, isn't it, that even if you got rid of it in this one small area, the rest of the world, the ideology is still out there? yes i don't i mean, yeah, it's very difficult. >> but there is the more immediate question of the, of, you know, security, domestic security . security. >> yes. they're dealing with a threat that's right on their doorstep. >> and both of those points are answered by the fact that you, you simply have a plan for how you simply have a plan for how you police the areas that you're in charge of. you don't necessarily have to, change the point of view of the entire world. if you're in charge of a certain region, you can have a plan for how you would police it in both your security and how

you stop the ideology coming back. yeah, very tricky. >> anyway, we're going to move on now to a question that's come in from darryl and darryl says is a union between vladimir putin and kim jong un a bad sign for world peace ? okay. well, for world peace? okay. well, putin's visited north korea to sign this mutual defence clause with kim jong un, and it never a goodi with kim jong un, and it never a good i mean, they are considered part of the whole axis , aren't part of the whole axis, aren't they? they are. it's a it's a gathering of the villains. yeah. china russia, iran, north korea, the creek nations . the creek nations. >> i keep saying it and it's still not caught on. i keep emailing itn and they're not going for it. no, it is a worry, isn't it, because these are people who can provide each other with weapons and the only remind me, a north korea responsible when it comes to weapons and, well, i responsible when it comes to weapons and, well , i preferred weapons and, well, i preferred it back in the day when they were launching, when they were testing missiles and every single one just flopped into the sea. and eventually it seemed like they had a war on fish. but now they do seem to be able to launch them a bit more effectively, which is a worry. >> it is, isn't it? >>— >> it is, isn't it? >> well, i'm more worried about their friends in china. ultimately, i mean, if it was just kim jong un, what have we

seen from him lately? a few, what are being called? poo balloons being launched into south korea. >> that all seems if you've got a nation where people are starving , filling a whole starving, filling a whole balloon of poo is difficult. giving credit where it's due. well, fair enough, but it's the relationship between china. >> as you just said, the nations . that's the concern. >> well, we've spoken on this show before, you know, china sort of doing its military drills around taiwan. i mean, that seemed to be it feels as though that's the that's the thing we should be talking about more, isn't it? because if china doesin more, isn't it? because if china does in fact attempt to invade taiwan and the american america feels obliged to get involved, we are talking world war iii at that point, yes. >> although so many of the things that are happening now seem to be not necessarily only about distraction , but certainly about distraction, but certainly useful distractions, the news is busy with the situation in israel and ukraine, and so china's getting away with stuff it wouldn't be getting away with if it weren't for the fact that our newspapers are full. >> yeah, well, worrying times, let's see if we can get a more cheerful question. now, this one comes from paddy. where's paddy? i'm here. are not cheerful at all, i'm afraid. >> what does the panel think

about whether cambridge university should cut ties with barclays and lloyds? >> this is happening again and again, isn't it? so we've got all this situation where this is because the idea is that barclays and lloyds have some kind of investments with fossil fuel companies. and of course we saw recently the book festivals , saw recently the book festivals, you know, losing all of their sponsorship because activists have put pressure about the company. baillie gifford, it is annoying this kind of thing, isn't it? >> i find it very annoying. i mean, when i was 19, we were sort of, screaming and had lots of ideas, but nobody was listening to us. and now it feels like people at university are sort of are controlling everything. very young people in lots of places. >> to be fair. cambridge universities, they say they're considering. yes cutting ties on the basis of these investments. but is cressida right, the basis of these investments. but is cressida right , steve, but is cressida right, steve, that maybe the students should be. they've got too much clout. we should just be ignoring them again like we used to. >> well, i mean, i think there's always been the history of protest. students love a good protest. students love a good protest . maybe the time when you protest. maybe the time when you went to university there was less of that happening. i guess there was just iraq war stuff. it depends. there was. there was

a there was a gap where there wasn't a lot of protest when i wasn't a lot of protest when i was at university. yeah, well, that makes a lot of sense, doesn't it? that's surprising. only charge people money. but i don't think this is that particularly new. maybe we talk about it more. maybe it's a tiktok thing. yes, in general, if you are, if you're a bank, you're going to want to make money. so you're going to invest where your clients want you to invest the money. that's one thing. whatever. it's not illegal to invest in fossil fuels. you can't expect banks not to do it. but universities, if they want to keep their students happy, make less money. >> i mean, is there a case to say, though, we should just ignore the students who are making ridiculous demands? i mean, you know, there's a lot there's a lot of students who are saying stuff they've really got on board with the kind of greta thunberg apocalyptic view which isn't really tethered to any kind of scientific reality. >> but you could say to students, suck it up, buttercup. back when they were just getting the education for free. but now they're not just students, they are client. they're customers. yeah. and the customer is sadly always right. >> is that the problem? is it that they're being treated like a business? well, there's an element of that, isn't there? >> but you know, you just sort of think what i think they're looking for some kind of utopia.

they only want links to perfectly sound company, you know, it's like they don't want to engage in capitalism . i mean, to engage in capitalism. i mean, they're all using buses and cars and stuff. yeah. i find it very unreasonable. >> i mean, you still want to boycott south africa. it's, you know, there's always been that history of it. so i think there is a case there. >> i mean, i you know, when helen joyce was at gonville and caius college in cambridge and those students were banging the drum throughout the talk and preventing other students from getting in, you just want to say, look, stop banging the drum, pack your bags and go. basically, you should just check them out, shouldn't you? >> well, that's not letting a debate happen. and that i'm on the same page. like, yeah, the only if you're not willing to take part in a debate, you never win it. yeah. but that's different to being the customer of a university. >> okay. well, coming up after tv presenter james may got into trouble on social media for criticising the number of pride flags being put up. i'm going i'm going to be discussing whether the month long celebration has gone just a bit too far. you're watching free speech nation gb news. please do not go

welcome back to free speech nation. top gear presenter james nation. top gear presenterjames may found himself at risk of being cancelled earlier this month when he dared to challenge pride month. so he went on to x, formerly known as twitter, to argue that the rows of lgbt symbols over regent street could be seen as authoritarian and oppressive . he labelled the oppressive. he labelled the display too much bunting, and he went on to say that the excessive flag displays bear more than a passing resemblance to those which he blames for starting the second world war. so does he have a point, or is pride and all the hard fought for rights that it celebrates worthy of grand displays and month long celebrations? so joining me to discuss is campaigner , commentator and campaigner, commentator and former conservative special adviser charlie rowley . welcome adviser charlie rowley. welcome to the show. thank you. thanks for having me, charlie . how do for having me, charlie. how do you feel about the progress pride flag, the one that we've seen endlessly throughout regent street, well, ultimately , as street, well, ultimately, as bonng street, well, ultimately, as boring as it sounds, it's a decision for the council and the local authority, i think, to

make. but i think in terms of the flag itself, it's symbolic. it symbolises the unity, diversity , inclusivity for a diversity, inclusivity for a particular time of year, for a short period of time to celebrate. i think one day in the calendar usually, which is a pride which is something that i think we as a nation should be proud of, the rights that we give to people to be able to love who you love, to be able to marry the person you love. i think that is something that is a good thing and should be celebrated. >> so let's just go quickly on to james may's tweet. he's comparing it, i suppose, in a roundabout way, to nazi germany. not directly, but he's talking about, it seems authoritarian , about, it seems authoritarian, and a lot of people have observed when they see those flags on regent street. there's so many of them. i was recently in dublin, and it's absolutely everywhere, and people feel like it's just it's too much. do you have any sympathy with that view? >> i not particularly i mean, obviously if you don't like the flag, you know, don't look at it, but i think because it's been there for a short period of time, i think the language that, james used could have been

worded better . i don't james used could have been worded better. i don't think it's a, you know , as he described. >> so you've talked about people can just look away . they can't can just look away. they can't really, can they? i mean, it's in every shop. it's in every store. it's it is absolutely ubiquitous, but but to go back to your point about, it's a, it's a flag that resembles or represents unity , hard won represents unity, hard won rights and all of those kind of things. i mean , my view is that things. i mean, my view is that that's certainly what the original rainbow flag represented . the sixth flight represented. the sixth flight stripe flag that was designed in 1978, i think the progress pride flag represents something very, very different. this is the one with the extra chevrons for trans rights. the black stripe, the brown stripe for racial minorities, the intersex circle, this very cluttered sort of display and that i think has become associated with a particular ideological movement, the intersectional movement, the identity obsessed movement, that's a very divisive thing. so should on principle, i understand what you say about the council. they can make their own decisions. should the council, on principle be flying a flag so ubiquitously? that

actually is incredibly divisive and doesn't even have support necessarily within the gay community. >> so that is the million dollar question, i suppose. and when you want to try and, move things forward, when you want to make sure that as a society, people recognise pride and the equality for people who are, you know, gay, lesbian , trans, bisexual gay, lesbian, trans, bisexual and where those rights weren't there previously, where it was a crime and where actually it is still a crime around the world. but in the uk, obviously it is not what you don't want to do is when you want to try and educate people, is to have the confusion and the constant rebranding. you know, big brands obviously keep their branding and people associated, and they know whether it's coca—cola or mcdonald's or something like that. now, i'm not, you know, comparing the pride movement to a big organisation. but if you keep changing things , then it keep changing things, then it loses actually people's attention when you need to be educating people more. >> so what would your what would the argument that you're insinuating there be that we should go back to the original rainbow flag. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> yes. i think it does its job. i think that's what it

represents. obviously. you know, there are, as i was doing my research before, there are many different flags to represent different flags to represent different parts of the community. yes. it's endless. so that is, you know, for them and that is, you know, for them and thatis that is, you know, for them and that is fine. if that is, you know, what is what it's there. you can't change it. but i think if you want to try and as i say, progress the issue to educate people, to make sure that everybody feels inclusive and something that everybody can celebrate in, i think one flag that everybody can easily identify with is probably enough, and that is the original. >> that's the original flag, right? so if we've sort of agreeing then that the progress pride flag represents something very different, something that is very controversial and something that a lot of people find actually quite anti—gay, then, you know , at this stage it then, you know, at this stage it would be wise, wouldn't it, just to, to get rid of that in public. i mean, i'm with you that people can fly their flags, whatever flag you want. i don't think that it should be flown on people's behalf without their consent, necessarily, i see that. >> but, look, you know, i don't have a particular, you know, problem with it, i don't, you know, there are so many ills in

the world to get obsessed and, you know, lose sleep over a flag is not something that i will do. >> no, i don't think it's a flag, though, charlie. i think what it is because the ideology behind the progress pride flag is the same ideology that shames gay people for being attracted to members of their own sex. it's the same ideology that is responsible for young people at the tavistock clinic, who are probably same sex orientated, being put onto the pathway to irreversible surgery, you know, quite very overtly anti—gay things. i know a lot of gay people who hate that flag and think it represents everything that the gay rights movement was not about . right. so given the not about. right. so given the severity of that, not just the fabnc severity of that, not just the fabric and the colours, which i think are quite ugly and garish anyway. so as a matter of taste, i think they should get rid of them, but just in terms of the fact that it represents such a potentially pernicious ideology . potentially pernicious ideology. see, that's the point, i think. >> well, i think no, i do think, look, you know, and there is, division within the community as

well, you know, what was the progress originally for gay people? >> there is a conflict now between, you know, whether it's gay spaces, whether it's single—sex spaces, whether it's men only spaces, whether it's women only spaces. yes. that conversation has come to the fore . so i think it is becoming fore. so i think it is becoming increasingly difficult, actually, as a community, to be able to be united as one. anyway and have one flag that represents all of these, individuals . individuals. >> that's a good point, because, you know, the solution is apparently to throw as much onto the flag as possible. they even added a symbol for autism. someone else added a symbol for sex workers and it becomes cluttered and pointless, doesn't it? was actually the rainbow. there's a purity about that. it means. it means everyone. >> yes, i think that's right. and that's why i agree with you. but i think what we have to make sure that we do whatever the flag is and whatever colour it is and whatever, you know, shape or size. yes that is one thing. but when you actually see in society, society, things like the horrors at the tavistock centre, when you see a you know, people who are posing as trans effectively, if you're in

scotland and you are identified as a trans woman by the likes of isla bryson isla bryson. exactly. now we have to make sure that we call those out. everybody in society, everybody in that community calls that out for what it is. and says, this is ridiculous and actually there should not be happening. and that's inappropriate. but, you know, a flag is a flag. >> here's another question, though. is it too much? is it you know, there's been a study recently, a poll in america showing that support for same sex marriage is going down. you know, you talked about there being a pride day, but now it's a month and there are different pride months depending where you are in the world. so it's always going on and you know, when i was in dublin recently, i have to say i found it annoying because it was absolutely everywhere. and is there a risk that there's a backlash? you know, then there's pedestrian crossings are being painted with a pride flag because apparently gay people struggle to cross the road without these colours. i mean, you know, isn't it just it's too much. it's annoying , it's too much. it's annoying, well, you people make up their own mind, i suppose . i mean, i own mind, i suppose. i mean, i don't, it doesn't annoy, you know, i honestly don't lose sleep over. i mean, because there are so many things going

on in the world. yes. you know, ihave on in the world. yes. you know, i have no issue with, for example , you know, a police example, you know, a police station wants to fly the flag at a police station. if a police car is draped in the colours of the rainbow flag because, there is a particular increase in hate crime against that community, and the police want to stand with the people who are and identify as lgbt. that is perfectly fine. what isn't fine is for the police or for police officers to be spending their time trolling through twitter , time trolling through twitter, trying to prosecute and find, you know, hate crimes there and not doing the things that they should be doing, which is being the bobbies on the beat, tackling crime that affects all of us. so symbolism is absolutely fine . but if it absolutely fine. but if it detracts from actually the real day to day issues that we all face, then that's when it becomes problematic. and we shouldn't make sure that the two, intertwined or overlap. >> but i suppose it does detract from the taxpayer's pocket. you know , they're spending an awful know, they're spending an awful lot of money on these crossings, and then they have to retrain the police horses, because the police horses get upset by the colours . so rather than get rid colours. so rather than get rid of the colours, they have to

retrain the horses. do you know what i mean? there's a lot of money spent for no reason. >> well, you know, you can make that case, but i think, look, you know, it doesn't bother me. i will still cross that road and i'll see it perfectly well. >> but don't scuff it because you'll get arrested for a hate crime, i'll try my best. yeah. okay >> well, charlie rowley, thanks so much forjoining me. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> that's the end of the first hour on free speech nation. please don't go away. there's so much more to come between now and 9:00. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on . gb news. >> hello and welcome to the latest forecast from the met office for gb news. a warmer night tonight compared with much of summer. so far, and then a mostly fine start to the new week with a ridge of high pressure extending across the uk. there is a weak front approaching the far northwest

that's thickening up the cloud, freshening up the breeze across western scotland, northern ireland overnight with some patchy cloud arriving and also some patchy outbreaks of light rain and drizzle . clear spells rain and drizzle. clear spells generally elsewhere with temperatures holding up under those clear spells in some spots. 15 or 16 celsius. by dawn there will be some mist and low cloud across the far southwest , cloud across the far southwest, and there'll be lots of low cloud in the north and northwest of scotland, with those outbreaks of rain affecting the west coast and the western isles. elsewhere across scotland, plenty of early sunshine to come. 15 or 16 celsius first thing northern ireland some some sun breaking through the early cloud and any light showers tending to fizzle away. much of england and wales sunny. first thing, there will be some mist around southern coasts and some low cloud inland as well. that should tend to lift and break up. plenty of sunshine. then developing across the uk and even across western

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now. six police officers, an orthodox priest and two gunmen have been killed in a series of shootings in dagestan. russian media is reporting the region's interior ministry says 12 other police officers have also been injured after the gunman opened fire at a synagogue , an orthodox fire at a synagogue, an orthodox church and a police post in the nonh church and a police post in the north caucasus region. both the synagogue and church are said to still be ablaze as now. there has also been reports and eyewitness videos showing people wearing dark clothes, shooting an emergency service, vehicles responding in makhachkala in southern russia. this is, of course, a developing story . course, a developing story. we'll bring you more on this as we get it. scotland are playing hungary this evening in their final group a game of the euros football tournament. fans arrived in jubilant mood at the mhp arena in stuttgart. earlier, the clash could see scotland reach the knockout stage of a major tournament for the first time. critics didn't give the injury hit scots much of a hope

after their five one opening loss to hosts germany in munich, but a one all draw with the swiss has placed them within reach of qualification. well, for the latest stories , you can for the latest stories, you can sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code that's on your screen right now, or go to gbnews.com/alerts. let's get straight . straight. >> welcome back to free speech nafion >> welcome back to free speech nation with me, andrew doyle. let's get some more questions from this lovely studio audience. and our first question comes from chris. >> hi. will my calls die to die? >> hi. will my calls die to die? >> very well phrased, chris. this is a this company scale. i they're in san francisco. they've decided to ditch die. that's diversity equity inclusion. when it comes to hiring practices. they're replacing it with mi which is merit excellence and intelligence. considered very

controversial, steve, this idea of hiring the best person for the job, irrespective of their skin colour or sexual orientation, it'll never catch on. >> you're gonna have to talk me through that again. i didn't quite get what you're talking about. it makes no sense to me, no. i mean, look, if you are the person hiring, of course you should want this, right? because then you'll maximise the productivity of the people that you are paying money to, to do theirjobs. you are paying money to, to do their jobs. yeah. when you are paying money to, to do theirjobs. yeah. when i actually saw the headline, it said ai ceo and i thought, finally, what they've done is get an ai finally, what they've done is get an al to make the decisions and they've got rid of all the nonsense, which actually might be the way to do it. >> it might be i mean, this is an interesting one because elon musk and various other entrepreneurs on twitter congratulated alexander wang, who's the ceo of this ai company scale , but then when you go on scale, but then when you go on instagram to see the response over there, it's completely different. and all these sort of valiums and he himars were saying , this is outrageous, and saying, this is outrageous, and all the rest of it, they all had pronouns. well, because they're in the cult, you know, because they're in the cult. >> exactly. they've revealed themselves, haven't they ? themselves, haven't they? >> so but what i mean, really, shouldn't we just get back to

meritocracy? >> absolutely. >> absolutely. >> i detest dei. it means nobody really knows if they've got the job on merit. yeah, obviously, you know, as soon as it's something that really matters, like, i don't know, the red arrows, you're not going to do that based on, on characteristics are you're going to do that based on skill. and yes, this is the way forward. >> could you say it should be checkable that this is the right system? because if you have a penod system? because if you have a period of time where it's just based on their, approximation of merit and intelligence and excellence and it's just white guys, then you can look back and 90, guys, then you can look back and go, no, you've been doing this wrong, but it won't be that. yeah. and so you know, this is the right way to do it. >> the problem with the dei thing is it presupposes that there are these sort of baked in systemic racist and homophobic, structures within society. and so you end up therefore just saying, well, actually, skin colour is the most important thing, and you end up with people who aren't necessarily the best for the job. but it's happenedin the best for the job. but it's happened in the, in airlines, for instance, where you have pilots chosen on the basis of their immutable characteristics and not how well they can fly a plane . plane. >> yeah. i think if you are, maybe they should survey the passengers because i imagine if

you're actually sat on the thing, you really want someone who's got the ability to land it, i would say. >> so. i think that's important, and by the way, i'm going to be discussing dei later on in the show with james lindsay, but we're going to move on to another question . now, this one another question. now, this one was sent in via email by janet. don't see enough janet's these days, do you? >> i've got one in my immediate family. oh, i see quite a lot of. >> all right, all right. >> all right, all right. >> it's very nice. name janet. okay, so janet says after what happenedin okay, so janet says after what happened in washington, do you think driving over a pride flag should be a crime ? now, i was should be a crime? now, i was talking to charlie rowley about this in a roundabout way earlier. this is to do with the crosswalks where some kids skidded onto the, you know, the big pride flag mural on the floor in washington because , you floor in washington because, you know, it's a road. and there they are skidding away. they got arrested for a felony for this, and put into these sort of guantanamo jumpsuits. and it was very extreme , but they are kids, very extreme, but they are kids, aren't they? >> yeah. and look, we get a similar sort of thing. every so often there'll be a news story about some 18 year old who gets

drunk and does something nearer a monument that they shouldn't. and the outrage is there, but you don't. then guantanamo them and lock them up for 18 years. you have to understand that sometimes kids do stuff because they think they're pushing back against a system. and really it's not a felony. it's borderline a traffic offence. >> well, they do sort of say that this isn't to do with it's about vandalism. but let's face it, if it weren't the pride flag, it wouldn't, they say hate crime. >> absolutely. >> absolutely. >> and i don't think that these kids are motivated by hate at all. i think they're motivated by wanting to skid around on their scooters as those. >> yeah, whatever. >> yeah, whatever. >> they are those. yeah. >> they are those. yeah. >> i don't think they're, they're in a, in a deep political protest for any agenda. no it's inappropriate. and we've got better things that we should be spending police time on. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> there's an image of one of the truck, a truck sort of deliberately skidding and that i mean, that's quite overt, isn't it? that kind of thing. yeah. you say that's a hate crime, steve. >> well, it is to the tires. that's taken about six months of driving off them. right. exactly yeah. >> oh, no, i think that's a bit weird . weird. >> why would you do it is a bit

weird, i, i'm still not sure about guantanamo bay style jumpsuits, though, but there's better way to object. i mean, you could call that a protest, couldn't you? and we've just been talking about that. and why we should be allowed protest. >> yeah, but you're right to call it vandalism, though. i think that is the upper limit of like, oh, look, you've done some vandalism. you shouldn't get ten years in jail for vandalism. >> no, that's true. okay. so we're going to move on now, our next question was emailed in from svetlana, who says, i recently came back from holiday in spain, where they've been protesting against tourists . protesting against tourists. what do you think locals in mallorca are trying are right to be trying to ban brits from going there? yeah, i was confused about this story because i saw this. all these sort of protesters in mallorca and the residents are hating the tories. they're really angry about the tourists overcrowding the area and so they're trying to stop them. but i thought that, you know, the tourists brought in money for these people. >> that's it isn't it? the lifeblood. it's a bit like in cornwall. sometimes people complain that all the up country people buy up all the cottages. yeah, but they do spend all the money as well, don't they? so i don't know. it's a tricky one. i

know that brits abroad can be especially upsetting. annoying yes, yes, but they don't learn the language, do they? >> they don't learn the language, effort . language, effort. >> and they do like a drink. >> and they do like a drink. >> they do? yes. so. so, you know, are we with the protesters on this? >> no. although there was some graffiti that i saw on this where people had written tourists go home. and i thought, well, that's what they do. that's part of what makes you a tourist rather than someone who's moved in a very strange movement. >> this one, though, you can see an image of them protesting. i mean, they're really angry about this. they're really going for it. i mean, is it just because they steal all the best places on the beach? >> but if your economy is based on, you know, people coming to the best places on the beach to have the holiday, then you kind of have to suck it up a little bit. if you want to have it in your economy. i mean, there's a lot of them. >> it's a very organised pi'ocess. >> process. >> i, you know, i find this very odd.so >> i, you know, i find this very odd. so they don't want the money clearly. >> well, i guess those particular people don't own restaurants. >> i mean, look at that. you don't get that in torquay, do you. you don't. they're grateful down there. >> although i mean, maybe i'm just over defending the brits, but there was a newspaper story a couple of weeks ago about how

german tourists are worse for drinking. we just somehow take it upon ourselves to be like, well, we are louts. well, we're not that bad that worse or better, depending on. yeah they win surprised me. >> i've got a much better view of the germans, but they're all drunks. they? >> yeah, they enjoy the beverage. >> interesting. okay all right, well, look, we've got another question. now, this is coming in from greg, via email. greg says, if, he asks if cat deeley was right to apologise for joking about a seizure , or has the about a seizure, or has the world gone mad? he asks. okay well, now this was an interesting one. so cat deeley, she has apologised . this was on she has apologised. this was on this morning. she made a joke about having a seizure on monday's show. so let's have a look at the clip . look at the clip. >> nothing to see here. you're right. yeah >> okay. yeah. i'm fine. >> okay. yeah. i'm fine. >> just having a seizure. welcome back . welcome back. >> and, so lots of people were angry. co—host ben shephard asked if she was all right after she began dancing and she said, i'm fine. i'm just having a seizure. and the epilepsy society complained . they put on society complained. they put on twitter. seizures are no laughing matter. please do

better and educate yourselves. the trouble is, as soon as someone says that phrase , someone says that phrase, educate yourself, i just. i just want to slap him. >> yeah , yeah, it's not as if >> yeah, yeah, it's not as if epileptics own seizures . many epileptics own seizures. many reasons to have a seizure. that feels very much like people who , feels very much like people who, you know, if your temperature goes too high, you have a febrile seizure. yes. let's let's give some props for its due. there are many different seizures out there, so they don't own it. exactly right. but also, she didn't i mean, even in her apology, she did say it was a light hearted comment. and some people say, well, it's not that light hearted if you have a seizure. no, she knows that having a seizure isn't the same as what her comment was. you can separate the two things out and realise she didn't wake up that morning and think, you know, i'm going to ruin the lives of epileptics. no, she just said a thing. she didn't mean any harm by it and has had to apologise to try and make the storm go away. >> yeah, but it's a weird one, isn't it? because she obviously didn't do anything wrong. >> of course she didn't. >> of course she didn't. >> and it's very patronising, isn't it, to people with epilepsy to think that that would finish them off, that they couldn't cope with a cat deeley joke. i mean, if you can't cope with a cat deeley joke, you've got bigger problems.

>> it's funny, though, isn't it, the way that people get so upset about things that affect them particularly, you know, they wouldn't get upset about a comparative thing involving another group? >> well, i guess not. >> well, i guess not. >> i mean, i'd like to know, you know, who are the people that complain? you said lots of people at the beginning. is it lots or is it a few very vocal. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> that's true. okay, well, look, we've got a question. being sent in as well by tom. tom says, do state schools make you fat? well, my state school, we had a lot of chips. that was all we ate chips. but actually, this is to do with an article in the times this week that says the times this week that says the best way to avoid middle age spread is to go to private school. they've done this research, and they said that people in their mid 40s who were educated at state schools are basically going to be fatter, but actually, steve, that's just because they're poorer and poorer people don't eat as well as the posh lot. yeah, right. >> isn't that it? i'm in my mid 40s. i went to a state school. i feel very seen right now, but it's easy to see me because of all the fat. but you can sue the school. exactly. you're right. it's this . it's two different it's this. it's two different symptoms of a cause that's higher up the chain. it's got to do with going to that school.

>> no, it's to do with money. >> no, it's to do with money. >> well, if you go to one of those schools, you're in the top 7% of people being educated. so of course you've got plenty of money in the back pocket. and it is true that richer people, posher people, tend to not be fat because they eat better. they don't have a life that is so miserable that the only smaller amount of joy that you get are those five doughnuts for a pound that you can get from some shops. exactly oh, those doughnuts are good. >> they are. i shouldn't have got you started on that , that's got you started on that, that's the point, isn't it? you know, posh people, they're they're normally thin. they're normally super confident. i've got a real chip on my shoulder about this . chip on my shoulder about this. >> yeah, but can i eat that chip, please? yeah, but. >> but it's true, isn't it? it's not the suggestion that there's some kind of causation here between going to school and being fat. >> there's a little bit of skiing holidays in the rowing team. >> maybe i don't know, but no, it's a cultural difference, isn't it? yeah, i know they're trying to pin it on bigger playing fields at private schools, but is it that it's not what they're saying? well, it's one of the factors, but i think this is correlation not cause okay, okay. >> well look next on free speech nation, we're going to be discussing the london academics suggesting colleges and

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welcome back to free speech nafion welcome back to free speech nation with me, andrew doyle. the school of oriental and african studies, or soas, has produced a toolkit for schools and universities which dismisses the study of classical greek thinkers such as aristotle, plato and socrates as armchair theorising new age thinkers who are being recommended instead include an indian american feminist, a nigerian gender theorist, and a japanese zen expert. the aim of the guidance is to decolonise philosophy by getting rid of dead white men . getting rid of dead white men. but it's not going down too well with some academics who argue that it's an attempt to erase the identity and achievements of

western civilisation . so joining western civilisation. so joining me to discuss this is writer and broadcaster emma webb . so emma, broadcaster emma webb. so emma, thank you for joining broadcaster emma webb. so emma, thank you forjoining us. so thank you for joining us. so socrates , aristotle, plato, socrates, aristotle, plato, armchair theorisers are they i the original report on this , the original report on this, quoted sir roger scruton saying that it's it demonstrates an unwillingness to overcome their ignorance, obviously he didn't he's he's no longer with us, so he's he's no longer with us, so he didn't say that about this specific case, but, look, it's part of what we've seen in the sort of attack on, objectivity, the idea that rational liberty itself, reason and objectivity is in some way, colonial or systemically oppressive. i've got the quote here actually saying the toolkit , when setting saying the toolkit, when setting out its position, says that academic philosophy and much academic philosophy and much academic philosophy and much academic philosophy in the uk, us, australasia and continental europe masks its structural and antagonism to everything that is not white, bourgeois, male, heteronormative or able bodied.

i mean, it's it does what it says on the tin. this is it's an ideological attempt to, of course, purge the western canon and to replace it with, with what i think in their mind is what i think in their mind is what you would call different ways of knowing. >> of course, i'm not so sure how heteronormative ancient how heteronorm ative ancient greece how heteronormative ancient greece was, to be honest. >> but anyway , that doesn't >> but anyway, that doesn't matter, they do have a certain reputation . reputation. >> they do. i mean, so the thing about so—as, i mean, you could say, well, look , soas is the say, well, look, soas is the school of oriental and african studies. of course, they should be talking about philosophers from, from from the orient, from africa. right because it's in the name, but they're suggesting guidelines for everyone else. yeah. they're suggesting that philosophy as a discipline ought to change. >> well, that's the joke. is that one of the authors of this toolkit has complained that he didn't study enough of the middle eastern literature. yeah. so ass was set up with the explicit purpose of studying literature from the middle east, from asia . so, firstly, it would

from asia. so, firstly, it would be pretty surprising if soas wasn't focusing on that. but i don't know if they're trying to don't know if they're trying to do themselves out of a out of business by suggesting that others focus on that as well. it's just simply not true that if you want to study, literature, philosophy vie poetry from outside of the western canon, that you can't do that. when i was at university, which was before , just before which was before, just before the woke revolution really blew up , i studied hebrew. i was up, i studied hebrew. i was primarily interested in hebrew poetry, in very, very niche stuff that wasn't really anything to do with the western canon, but the idea that you would dismiss the value of aristotle, of people like g.e. moore or hume, and the idea that there in some way embedded in colonialism is just nonsense . colonialism is just nonsense. and there's a kind of irony to this, because it's coming from this, because it's coming from this place of cultural rights, of viewing all cultures as equal of viewing all cultures as equal. but when you actually look at it in, in its plainest sense, when you remove this kind

of structural framework that their value framework that they're imposing on the western canon, what they're saying is that some cultures are more equal than others and actually it's acceptable to, to , to, to it's acceptable to, to, to, to not only acceptable, but also morally mandatory to undermine the western canon, undermine the knowledge base of, of the of the western, of western culture, effectively, and it's just simply not the case that these , simply not the case that these, these, these writers, should be relativised in this way. >> well, also, isn't there something quite obviously anachronistic about this? we have this current obsession with identity , which wouldn't have identity, which wouldn't have occurred to plato. you know, it's just not something that's on on his radar, you know? so it's sort of impose these values. it's very narrow thought. it's only going to be a fad for a few years. so even in ten, 15 years time, this kind of approach won't make sense. so

why do they think they've got all the answers? >> well, it's i think the reason why they think they have all the answers is because they're arrogant. i think it's hubris andifs arrogant. i think it's hubris and it's the hubris that comes along with being an ideologue. and we've seen this, you know, time and time again. you've written extensively about it, andrew. so, but i think that that it's also false and actually with a lot of these claims, ideological progressive claims, ideological progressive claims, when you actually examine them, they turn out to be false, like the church's case for paying reparations, for example, but the accusation that our ancestors and that the, the founders of the western canon weren't interested in other cultures is simply not true. in fact, when they do show an interest, they get accused of orientalism , or or some other orientalism, or or some other historic crime. so it's just that's simply not true. and the hubns that's simply not true. and the hubris that they think that they're not imposing their own ideological framework. yes these being people that believe that everything , arises from power everything, arises from power structures, but don't have the self—awareness to see what they're actually doing and

imposing this, they, they call it decolonisation . but i think it decolonisation. but i think it's actually ideological colonisation of our universities i >> -- >> yes. -_ >> yes. and of course, you know, there were power structures in ancient greece. there was a slave system there. it wasn't based on racial grounds. you know, this is its interesting, though, that they are going back to this again and again when it feels incoherent when it comes to this kind of philosophy, and it's also suggestive that you can't understand or get anything out of, say, plato's republic, unless you are white, unless you are male. i mean , is there any are male. i mean, is there any truth to that? >> well, it's lived experience, isn't it? and it's and lived experience goes hand in hand with this, this awful term. different ways of knowing. yes, the idea that you have to you have to have some kind of identity resonance with a person in order nobody can have a real identity resonance with aristotle as an ancient greek . aristotle as an ancient greek. even the modern greeks wouldn't be able to really in the in the lived experience since the, that they're describing . and it's they're describing. and it's this idea that is fundamentally

actually against, western tradition, this idea that you can't transcend your own , the can't transcend your own, the strictures of your own identity, that there is no objectivity, that there is no objectivity, that everything is relative, everything is relative to your own experience. and then you see this, this kind of eisegesis this, this kind of eisegesis this reading into, history, reading into sources. and they call it methodology, but it's really ideology and it distorts things. it distorts the western canon and destroys it. and i think there's a purpose to that, because they are trying to deconstruct power structures. they believe that everything is saturated in those power structures and that is an inherently destructive approach . inherently destructive approach. and we're seeing this not just in universities, but also in our museums. with this recent news about the masks being removed from from display, lest they be, less, they sort of be defiled by women's gaze . women's gaze. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> no, it doesn't sound very progressive to me. >> no . and actually, this goes >> no. and actually, this goes back to the point about all cultures being equal, because

it's western, you know, in a, in a progressive . progressive in a progressive. progressive in the real meaning of the sense liberal democracy, the idea that l, liberal democracy, the idea that i, as a woman wouldn't be able to see or study academically this sacred object because there is some taboo within a particular culture, and that this is a culture that still to this is a culture that still to this day , won't allow the this day, won't allow the descendants of slaves to marry freeborn people, the descendants of non slaves, and the idea that, you know, that shrunken heads should be removed from display when these shrunken heads the, the idea behind them is that, you know , you is that, you know, you decapitate your enemy and you shnnk decapitate your enemy and you shrink their heads so that their avenging spirit can't escape from it. it's just absurd that we're we're we're trying to form , our intellectual access to certain artefacts or certain knowledge within universities according to the taboos of another culture that are fundamentally opposed to our

own. the idea that there are certain things in university , in certain things in university, in universities, or certain things in, in museum collections that women shouldn't be allowed to see because the culture doesn't want them to see that. it's just it's madness when you. >> absolutely. emma, unfortunately , that's all we got unfortunately, that's all we got time for. but thanks so much for joining me. really appreciate it. and next on free speech nation, i'm going to be speaking to the american author, doctor james lindsay, about a new bill in congress aiming to put a stop to diversity, equity and inclusion requirements in schools and federal institutions. go

welcome back to free speech nation. last week, a new item of legislation was introduced in the us called the dismantle, deny act. it immediately attracted 20 co—sponsors in congress. the bill could mean

diversity, equity and inclusion requirements would be dropped from schools and corporate boardrooms and effectively rescind president biden's executive order from three years ago, which pushed dei into government run agencies. so for more on this, let's go live to the us. i'm speaking to the author and founder of the website new discourses, doctor james lindsay. welcome to the show. i want to ask you about dei, diversity, equity, inclusion. a lot of people over here in the uk, they hear that and they think, what's wrong with that? that sounds great. everyone gets a fair shot, perhaps you could explain what it really means. >> yeah, that's the thing. is dei diversity, equity and inclusion has just like the best branding operation ever. and that's what people have got to learn to see it as as a marketing program. these words actually have two meanings. if we kind of, play the fancy language game, they have an exoteric meaning, which is what you think they mean. oh yeah, i like diversity. i think people should be included. all right. eqtu should be included. all right. equity sounds like better equality. okay, great. but they

have an esoteric meaning, which is what the activists are using once they get in a position to be able to weaponize this. which is why we need to dismantle it. diversity is very simple. it means diversity against the prevailing values backdrop. in other words , british values for other words, british values for you, american values for us. you see this in the documentation they put out. what is white supremacy culture look like? they say it's punctuality. it's hard work . they say it's punctuality. it's hard work. it's valuing the written word. it's these things that are just basic functions of a productive society. and so they mean diverse as compared to that. and so diversity actually means to politicise. it means to bnngin means to politicise. it means to bring in political elements . bring in political elements. inclusion means something completely different. inclusion actually means to accommodate. it means that when you bring in people who either can be radicalised or are who are already activists, who are radicalised, and you don't need very many to mess up an institution from the inside once you bring them in. now you have to accommodate them so they feel included. if their ideology says that, you know, you can't say this kind of thing or act this

sort of way, or dress that sort of way, or present this sort of thing at a museum, as you talked aboutin thing at a museum, as you talked about in the last segment. then you've got to make changes in order to accommodate, to include these people. but what you're including is their ideology. you're not including them as individuals. and that's the little linguistic trick. equity has a definition, which is an administered system in which participant shares are adjusted. so that participants are made equal so that participants are made equal, which is the definition of socialism as well . so it's a of socialism as well. so it's a socialist program. diversity is to bring political activists into the program, and inclusion is designed to make you accommodate their ideology in the institution . so it's a the institution. so it's a complete scam, which is exactly why it should be dismantled out of all of our institutions as quickly as possible . quickly as possible. >> so how's this now very much become a left versus right issue 7 become a left versus right issue ? is it the case that if you want di vote, biden , if you want want di vote, biden, if you want it gone, vote trump? >> stay with me. yeah. >> stay with me. yeah. >> unfortunately it really has. it shouldn't be. but because of the way the nature of the tribal politics that have been

manufactured around these issues, it is and so if you want more of this di, it's vote biden , i guess. and if you think that this di if you see through the scam, then you better vote trump in order to try to stop it. i had the good fortune of briefly meeting jd vance the other day, who forwarded this bill, and i think he's got his head on straight about this. it's extremely important, but it has become partisan. that's what i call the politics of complete science, where you say, this is how everything's going to be and it's going to be a lot better when we all do this thing. everybody who complies gives in, and then they are taught to resent the people who , resist. resent the people who, resist. we would have a more inclusive workplace if only these racists and transphobes and homophobes and transphobes and homophobes and sexists and misogynists and everything else, were silenced or kicked out. and so you end up making this dynamic that's extremely polarising and extremely, divisive. and actually, it's a playbook straight out of mao zedong's divide and conquer methods that he used to take over china three quarters. >> so since the claudine gay scandal at harvard, there

appears to have been a bit of a backlash against this dei movement. do you see that gaining momentum? do you think that more and more people are now waking up to this and saying, actually, this isn't something that we want to support? >> a set of? >> a set of? >> yeah, well, people are very quickly realising that it's not what they thought they were buying into that there's something different to what they thought they were getting. so they heard as many people do. they heard the marketing program. they heard, you know, diversity. that sounds great. diversity is our strength. inclusion. who wouldn't want people included equity better equality. they heard that and they said, yeah, let's do that. and what they found out is that they got sold, poison in the form of what looked like, you know, a beverage or whatever. so they've been fooled and people are quickly waking up to the fact that they've been fooled and that this is damaging their companies. it's damaging the universities, it's damaging the government apparatuses. it's damaging everything it touches, which is, i would argue, what it's designed to actually do . it's designed to actually do. it's a it's a quiet takeover tool. a it's designed to do a coup inside the institution. and people are waking up to this, i

think, just in time to be able to fight back against it. >> now, this week we saw an artificial intelligence company in america , a scale, announce in america, a scale, announce its may policy for hiring the idea of merit, excellence and intelligence . and actually, intelligence. and actually, people like elon musk congratulated alexander wang, who's the ceo. but a lot of people also said this is outrageous. you shouldn't be doing this, there is no such thing as merit secrecy, that's a very subjective idea . where do very subjective idea. where do you stand on that? >> that's such a ridiculous communist trope that's been trotted out for over a century over and over and over again, especially in the west over the last 30 years. it's just a completely ridiculous claim. the fact of the matter is, is that there, as jordan peterson has pointed out, for example, there's always a hierarchy that develops. i've been reading the history of mao zedong's china over the past few weeks in tremendous detail. and one thing that i was taken, i was struck by, that i took away and i saw it in soviet union as well, is the amount of competitiveness that you have with communists. they aren't competing on merit

or the capacity to produce, as we might call it. they are competing instead on their ability to implement communist ideology more effectively. and the competitions are explicit, mao set them up explicit for his leaders to compete with one another over who could do a better job making this death quotas or his imprisonment quotas or his imprisonment quotas , or his land reform quotas, or his land reform quotas, or his land reform quotas, or his land reform quotas, or whatever other destructive programs he had. so there's always a hierarchy. it's always based on some idea of doing well at something which when we say that it's doing well at producing, we call it merit . at producing, we call it merit. being able to do the thing well. when you have an ideological program in place, they're competing in terms of merit for being able to implement their ideology. we don't mean that by meritocracy , of course, but meritocracy, of course, but that's what that's just the nature of human beings and organisations. so don't let them fool you . meritocracy is always fool you. meritocracy is always in operation , and it can either in operation, and it can either be in thrall to an ideology or it can be, subject to actual reality, at which point you get

positive results. >> and where does this leave people from? ethnic minority groups, for instance, who will say, some people who would argue this is just a continuation of affirmative action, there are racists that still exist within these structures, and therefore certain people do need a leg up. they do need to sort of tweak the system in order to achieve fairness. i mean, do you think there's anything to that ? there's anything to that? >> i don't anymore? i think i would have five years ago. i think actually, what these last few years have taught me is that the best way to give people a leg up is to tell them that if you get busy and work hard and you get busy and work hard and you actually don't have any barriers in their way, legitimate barriers, if you tell them to, you know, get their act together and work hard, that they will rise to that occasion and then they will climb their way out. i think these patronising programs oh, you need help in order to participate equally in society, have actually done nothing but damage virtually everywhere they've been implemented . they've been implemented. >> finally, james, i mean, surely when it comes to jobs such as people who are flying aeroplanes, for instance, or people who are working in the in

the medical profession, everyone can see, irrespective of your ethnic background, that meritocracy has to prevail . and meritocracy has to prevail. and yet we still have people suggesting otherwise. why do you think that people can't let this go? >> it's complete ideological contamination. that's the word that i contamination. that's the word thati use contamination. that's the word that i use to try to avoid saying demon possession, just to be a little colourful . but the be a little colourful. but the fact of the matter is, is that their social, psychological and often professional lives are in any kind of a totalitarian environment. and again, i harken this back to maoism and thought reform once you are introduced to this, kind of social circle that you're in, you constantly have to signal that you're a part of it or you risk being thrown out. that's what cancel culture was. it was, of course, life and death under mao . in life and death under mao. in china. it's professional life and death here in the west. it's not quite the same problem, but if you don't signal and, continually deepen your signal to the fealty to the ideology , to the fealty to the ideology, you risk being purged yourself.

you risk being cancelled , you you risk being cancelled, you risk the struggle session being brought upon you. and so there is not a conscious fear so much as an unconscious fear, in a desire , if you read the history desire, if you read the history of how mao zedong manipulated the chinese population, they had what they called a cult of confession , where everybody felt confession, where everybody felt like they always had to confess against their crimes , but they against their crimes, but they also had to accuse other people in order to kind of take the heat off of themselves. and i think that people are caught up either in a not understanding it very deeply, not realising what they're actually dealing with, taking the words at face value or be that they're caught up in these social and emotional and psychological traps that make them continue to defend it. >> james lindsay, it's been absolutely fascinating. thanks so much forjoining me. >> yes, sir. >>- >> yes, sir. >> and next on free speech nation, a fan falls asleep at the football and mr blobby appears on breakfast tv. and i'm not referring referring to ed balls. it's almost time for sensations. don't go

>> welcome back to free speech nafion >> welcome back to free speech nation with me, andrew doyle. >> it's time for social sensations. that's the part of the show where we look at what's been going viral this week on social media. first up, i know football can send some people to sleep, but in this video, one england fan found himself still in the stadium the morning after the match, having enjoyed one too many beers. let's have a look. >> just walking out . it's 5:00 >> just walking out. it's 5:00 in the morning. i'm stupid in choking . on. choking. on. >> well, at least we know the ushers don't clean up afterwards. do they have ushers in football? >> that's what they're called. yeah. they're ushers. yeah. you're really down with the programs. yeah. in the interval.

yeah, yeah yeah, definitely. what i love about that is he bothered to film it. i mean if i woke up somewhere, i'd be so embarrassed i would be removing all evidence that my drinking means i trespass. but no, i'm filming it. i'm an absolute state. >> look. and he just shows everyone. >> well, he may have sent it to one trusted friend who's leaked it. >> oh, that's probably. where did he sleep? i mean, all those must be on the floor, right? >> i've been to sports stadiums very occasionally with my dad . very occasionally with my dad. there's not a lot of space. it's all seats, isn't it? >> love that. >> love that. >> sports stadiums. once you're a real salt of the earth type. >> so says the interval guy. >> so says the interval guy. >> very early on. >> very early on. >> yes, i have, i've been and i don't know where it doesn't look like a good place. >> wouldn't be comfortable would it. >> well, i don't know. after that 11th pint you can kind of sleep everywhere can't you. >> yeah. that's true. >> yeah. that's true. >> yeah. that's true. >> yeah. you just in the old day. in the old days i spent so much time in high barnet. i didn't live there. but that was the end of the tube line because i'd have to get the number 80 back. >> i actually fell asleep in a toilet in a train at lowestoft, actually, i shouldn't admit

that, should i? hello. so covered in milkshake. anyway next up is this video. it wasn't itv's good morning britain when mr blobby's appearance gave noel edmonds something to say about edmonds something to say about ed balls coming right. >> come here, come here my go. the only thing, the only thing that can be said about this, yeah, was never , ever do it yeah, was never, ever do it again. he makes ed look slim . again. he makes ed look slim. oh. right still to come. >> so why isn't the headline noel edmonds is fat shaming ed balls? i mean, that's worse. do you miss mr blobby? >> no, but i do miss the when in the old days, probably in the 80s, there was always a risk that certain interview would be attacked. normally it would be rod hull and emu. and i mean, there's no way you get away with that these days. like rod hull, just like crotch grabs properly attacking a proper donald trump style grab. yeah. and he'd get away with it because you have a fake bird on your hand. which actually does make more sense now. maybe that's the way to try it. all right, i'll try. >> that's what grace jones should have done. you remember when she slapped the interviewer? i can't remember

russell harty. it was russell harty, wasn't he? yeah. so, grace jones, she's as mad as emu, isn't she? >> i like to compare them. >> i like to compare them. >> yeah. one's a lot classier than the other. no. >> that's true, what do you make of this? >> well, you're quite right. it's fat shaming, isn't it? yes. i'm shocked and appalled. >> but, mr blobby, there was something quite satisfying about how anarchic it was. the fact that he would just trash the set. >> yeah, get christmas number one, wasn't it? >> yeah. trashed the set. get a christmas number one. what's he teaching us about bad behaviour. more of it. >> yeah. there we go. >> yeah. there we go. >> bad role model. that's that's the argument here. anyway, next up, cancel culture has gone mainstream as itv are set to launch a drama all about it. >> that's all for today. same time tomorrow. why not see you at six and that's us off here. >> i've been a tweet. what tweet? overheard presenter douglas bellos making an extremely sexist joke at a wedding. >> it's probably just one of your usual ones. >> yeah, my usual ones. >> yeah, my usual ones. >> the usual misogynist ones. >> the usual misogynist ones. >> it was sexist, not misogynist . this isn't news. >> so, i mean, it looks like the

drama department are catching up.then drama department are catching up. then with council. it's good in a way that it's being represented now. yes, but i, you know, it's been going on quite while. >> well, it looked good from that tiny clip. i don't know . that tiny clip. i don't know. >> douglas's cancelled, by the way. >> douglas is cancel. >> douglas is cancel. >> that's the title. >> that's the title. >> yes. right >> yes. right >> okay. so it says on the tin. >> okay. so it says on the tin. >> i look forward to it, but i'd be interested to see how this plays out. yeah, it can't be that outrageous, can it? in that sense. >> will they, will they show the thing he's cancelled for? because i think actually if you were writing a drama about this, what would be quite bold is to have someone cancel for something that's actually really dodgy. and that would be quite an interesting dramatic approach. i doubt they're going to take that here. >> no, because i don't know. there's no plot twist at the end.then there's no plot twist at the end. then there is, you know, it's like, oh yeah, this guy's are wrong and shouldn't have said that. good. and the audience just hopes that he gets cancelled sooner. why did we take four episodes for this to happen?i take four episodes for this to happen? i think the bigger risk is it's got the word cancelled in its title, and people will go in its title, and people will go in the tv guide and go, oh, i guess it's not on. and okay, well, look, now's the part of the show where we're going to talk through your unfiltered dilemmas. >> we've got one in from susie, susie, thanks for writing in.

susie, thanks for writing in. susie says since the football started, i've developed a thing for alan shearer and now find myself being attracted to bald men. any tips on how to shake this fascination? well, the first thing i'd say is, why shake the fascination? bald men can be really sexy. >> why shake the fascination? why would you do that ? why would you do that? >> it's not that as grace jones song shake the fascination. >> well, it's something up to your bumper. she'd. she did that one. >> one. >> yeah, she pulled up to my bumper, so that's a weird thing to ask. what's i mean, really, what's wrong with fancying bald men? >> why are you asking me specifically? i feel targeted, i'm just interested. >> why ? >> why? >> why? >> that would be an issue. we all know that the reason we're bald because we're sexy or something, i can't remember. it's something to do with testosterone. and then dot dot, dot. we're sexy. so just get over it. just enjoy it. we are, you know, we don't leave as much hair around. we're like, one of those hypoallergenic cats. >> it does seem a bit odd that she wants to if that's her natural inclination, why would you want to shake it? >> you know, i think in this day and age, that's a very middle of the road. it's very acceptable, isn't it? yes maybe she wants something more exotic than bald

men. maybe she wants to be more interesting. >> it's acceptable. we're not kink. >> no, exactly. >> no, exactly. >> that's what you think, steve. >> that's what you think, steve. >> it's not like i'm innately attracted to hamsters. what should i do? because that that is an issue . you would see is an issue. you would see someone about that, wouldn't you? >> yes. >> yes. >> yes. >> yes you would. pet shop? yeah. >> pet shop . >> pet shop. >> pet shop. >> okay, look, we've got a dilemma now coming in from jensen. jensen says my wife desperately wants to rescue another dog. we already have two rescues, and i'm going through a change of jobs, so i'm feeling a bit uncertain about my long term financial security . how would financial security. how would you tell her to relax and wait for a bit longer ? it's a tricky for a bit longer? it's a tricky one, isn't it? >> it's very tricky. yeah. who doesn't want to adopt all the dogs? >> well, exactly. >> well, exactly. >> i want to adopt all the dogs. >> i want to adopt all the dogs. >> because if you don't adopt the dog, you're a monster, right? >> yeah , but you can't adopt >> yeah, but you can't adopt them all, andrew. >> no, you just have to keep looking on tiktok and instagram, all the lovely dogs and try and sort of get over it that way. >> yeah, that's the way to do it. but if you can adopt a third dog, i say go for it. i think if you've got one dog you may as well have three. yeah, that's the spirit. no, but it's true.

>> i don't think it's that much more work. isn't it? a bit like having triplets instead of one kid? it's basically the same amount of work, isn't it? >> probably. >> probably. >> yeah, that sounds true. >> yeah, that sounds true. >> no, no. >> no, no. >> having recently gone from one child to two children, it's the increase is bigger than the sum of its increase. yes, definitely. >> i thought they just sort of packed together and sort of you throw them the same food. >> we're still talking about kids or are we talking about dogs? either we will leave them outside, put them in the kennel. >> what? hey. >> what? hey. >> no, don't don't do that. because if you rescue three dogs already, she sounds like the kind of person who'll go on about the fact that they rescued it . are, you know, those people? it. are, you know, those people? yeah. he didn't rescue it. you didn't mount some operation in the middle of the night with guns and getting it out of whatever it was being held? no. you took a cheap dog. >> you got. >> you got. >> the thing is, steve, the thing is, really, it's the dogs that rescue us. >> oh, yeah. >> oh, yeah. >> oh, yeah. >> oh, cressida . >> oh, cressida. >> oh, cressida. >> oh. >> oh. >> all right, our third dilemma. this week is from georgia. georgia says i happen to know my old school friend is earning extra cash from onlyfans. don't ask me how i know, i just do, but she's from a very churchy

family and can be quite judgy. how do i let on that? i know to put her in her place, but why would you want to do that, so. so this woman's doing church themed onlyfans. >> well, i think you've made an assumption there. >> oh, have i okay, no, i suspect she's not doing a church themed, performance. >> is that the word ? yes, >> is that the word? yes, i mean, it could be a deep fake. are we sure that it's definitely the same person? >> yeah, exactly. we don't know. >> yeah, exactly. we don't know. >> i'd be very careful before you start making accusations. >> steve, what would you do if you found out that your friends were on onlyfans? would you tell them that you know? >> well, i suppose it depends. i mean, how much they're charging, because if it's like ten, 99 a month, i'd be like, well mates rates. yeah, so maybe you could get it. no you wouldn't, because what an embarrassing conversation. oh, i saw you doing the old porn the other day. that's never going to go well, is it? >> but but georgia wants the power. that's what's going on here. georgia wants to insinuate that she knows so that she still. >> why are you rifling through some website that's got all that on it and suddenly come across your friend, which is the wrong

phrase. >> it also doesn't sound like they're very good friends. no. if you just want to sort of get get power over people, that's not a friendship. >> as always, i'd like to know more. how did this person come to know about that person? >> yeah, well, georgia, if you're watching, come and we'll do an interview about it. no, let's not do that. >> okay. >> okay. >> well, our final dilemma comes from martha. love martha as a name. what a great name. >> i think andrew suits you. do you think? >> yeah, that's because it means manly. oh, there you go. >> if you like martha. you don't like sci fi? superman versus batman. >> well, is there a martha in that? >> oh, my days. oh, i didn't tell you i ruined the ending. >> oh, no, i haven't seen that one. okay, well, you're opening my eyes tonight, okay, so this is martha's dilemma. martha says good name for a film. that martha's dilemma. anyway right? this is what martha says. my boyfriend never puts pictures of me on instagram. we do, we do many instagrammable brunches that he takes pictures of, but not even my hands are ever in shock. i've never even the background of cute sunset photos

should i confront him about it. i think instagrammable brunches is a good name for a band . is a good name for a band. anyway, look, i'm getting off topic. what do you think of that? not even the hands. >> has he got a secret? wife? what's going on? i mean, it's suggestive, isn't it? >> it suggests that he's keeping her out of the public eye for a reason. i think he's definitely a bigamist . a bigamist. >> there you go. >> there you go. >> what do you think, steve? >> what do you think, steve? >> firstly, check how bad your hands are. because if you really got some gnarly ones, then you get them away from. come on, get out. get away from my bruschetta. it could be an aesthetic thing. >> yeah, which is also offensive if you're going out with someone. yeah, yeah. >> well, you could overlook bad hands, couldn't you? you could. but also, don't be one of those people who wants to be on. oh, let's take this and put it on instagram. yes. you're as bad as dog rescuers, steve very much laying his cards on the table tonight . tonight. >> well, look, thanks so much for joining us for free speech nation. this was the week when james may got into trouble over pride flags and carry on. fans finally got the reboot. they've not really been waiting for. thank you to my panel. cressida wetton and steve n allen and to my guests ella whelan emma webb,

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