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for labour queuing up in calais for labour government. is he right.7 and get this a new poll shows that most europeans are pessimistic about their country's future. is europe on the brink of a decline? what would that look like? also, what did you want to be when you grew up? get this now, children, they've been polled about what they want to be.the polled about what they want to be. the answers are pretty shocking. it won't surprise you to know that influencer is one of the top ones. what even is that? also, of course, england playing tonight. we'll be bringing you some of the build up to that. also, i want to ask why is the mayor of london stop taxi drivers from flying the england flag? all of that and more. but first, the 6:00 news headlines. >> michelle, thank you and good evening to you. the top story from the gb newsroom. labour has
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suspended parliamentary candidate kevin craig after he became the latest subject of an investigation by the gambling commission. it comes after former conservative candidates craig williams and laura saunders also face investigations amid allegations of betting on the date of the general election. mr williams says he committed an error of judgement but not an offence. both have now lost the support of the conservative party, but they will still appear on election ballots because deadunes election ballots because deadlines for nominations has passed. now julian assange will soon appear before a federal judge in the mariana islands. that's a us territory in the western pacific. the 52 year old founder of wikileaks left the uk this morning after more than 1900 days at belmarsh prison. he's expected to be sentenced to five years, roughly the equivalent of the time he's already served in britain, meaning he'll most likely walk
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free. it's understood he'll plead guilty to a single felony count of illegally obtaining and disclosing national security information, though his wife says he will eventually seek a full pardon . a former engineer full pardon. a former engineer has claimed the post office tried to put words into his mouth when he attempted to disclose concerns he had about the horizon it system. gareth jenkins worked for fujitsu for his entire professional career, and was regarded as a distinguished employee until his retirement in 2015. evidence he gave about the horizon system was used in the prosecutions . was used in the prosecutions. many sub, most, many subpostmasters have since had quashed, but he told today's inquiry that he never had oversight of all the systems bugs and he relied on others to supply reliable information . now supply reliable information. now pomp and pageantry were the order of the day today in london as their majesties the king and
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queen welcome the emperor and empress of japan , beginning a empress of japan, beginning a three day state visit, starting with a guard of honour in horse guards parade, the royals greeted the prime minister, rishi sunak, as well as other dignitaries. rishi sunak, as well as other dignitaries . princess anne isn't dignitaries. princess anne isn't taking part, though. in today's ceremonies. she's in hospital recovering after being injured by a horse at the weekend. international news and kenya's parliament was stormed by protesters today in a show of fury over planned tax hikes. attempts to disperse the crowds using tear gas and water cannon failed. police then opened fire, killing at least five people and injuring around 50 others, while section sections of the parliament building were set on fire, demonstrators are calling on the country's president to step down here in the uk, labour is pledging to halve knife crime within a decade if it wins the general election. the party's plan includes creating a new
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cross—government coalition to work on solutions, as well as community hubs involving youth workers and careers advisers. sir keir starmer says cracking down on knife crime is a moral mission. >> i was the chief prosecutor for five years and therefore i prosecuted many cases involving the use of knives , and i've made the use of knives, and i've made it my personal mission to deal with this. it is a moral mission as far as i'm concerned. it isn't a question of urban versus rural. in fact, i think there's more knife crime. sadly in rural areas. or at least it's going up more quickly. and i think it's not fair on the families we've been hearing from this morning to simply point the finger to somebody else. this is something which a government needs to take responsibility for. i will take responsibility for. i will take responsibility for. i will take responsibility for on a cross—party basis, to make the change that we need. >> sir keir starmer now it's pretty warm outside today, isn't it? well a yellow health warning is now in force as temperatures soar right across the country .
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soar right across the country. london was the hottest part of the uk today . temperatures were the uk today. temperatures were above 30 degrees. meanwhile, in manchester it hit 24, and in cardiff it was a sweltering 26. but don't get comfortable with the heat. forecasters are warning it won't last long. showers are on the way. we understand possibly thunderstorms predicted later tomorrow. looks like that was summer and the first samples ever collected from the dark side of the moon have arrived on earth. china became the first country to excavate the lunar dust successfully and bring it back to earth. earlier on today, the re—entry capsule of the change six probe touched down chang'e six probe touched down in the northern chinese inner region of mongolia. its cargo of lunar soil was collected earlier in june before embarking on a journey through space. it will now be analysed by scientists as part of china's ambitious space at space and research programme. that's the news for the latest
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very stale industry is indeed. >> tom, any words of congratulations ? i want to congratulations? i want to indulge this moment for second. >> absolutely. look i've been involved with this channel on and off since the very start, and off since the very start, and i still remember reading that sneering piece in the guardian , giving gb news six guardian, giving gb news six months and here you are, three years later, with three awards that have been voted on by the public. indeed, and ofsted all three nominations we won all three. >> i've got to say , i personally >> i've got to say, i personally wasn't nominated, but i'm working on it. i'm working on it, hopefully this time next yeah it, hopefully this time next year. but honestly, thank you very much. we do appreciate it. look, there is lots more to talk about tonight. i think it's what, nine days now until the general election? let's cross live to our political editor christopher hope. good evening to you , christopher. there's to you, christopher. there's been a lot going on today. to you, christopher. there's been a lot going on today . bring been a lot going on today. bring us up to speed. >> hi, michel. and yeah, great to hear about the hat trick of awards by our brilliant channel. thatis awards by our brilliant channel. that is fantastic. and a vote of thanks from our viewers. it's wonderful to hear. yeah, well,
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the issue of betting has still loomed large in this campaign. with the manifestos settled . with the manifestos settled. nothing. no new policy to be announced. we've heard from the day started with rishi sunak, who finally got ahead of the head of the curve slightly on the betting betting issues engulfing his party by withdrawing support for the two candidates who have been implicated , craig williams and implicated, craig williams and laura saunders . craig williams, laura saunders. craig williams, who had a majority in montgomery and glendower, a 12 and over 12,000 at the last election. laura saunders, who's fighting darren jones, a labour frontbencher who he had a majority of 5600. so he finally said that we are going to withdraw support from these two candidates. that showed an attempt , to get ahead of the attempt, to get ahead of the curve because i was up with rishi sunak in in scotland yesterday, he answered six questions from the press with, with him, and i was one of them. five of them were about why you're not taking a firmer action with this betting scandal. so he's trying to do this. he can't he can't really
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pressure the gambling commission to go any further or go quicker because it's independent. so he's done what he can as, as tory leader. and that makes some sense because he's trying to get this, get past this , stopping us this, get past this, stopping us about betting and try and win these votes ahead of polling day next thursday. separate to that, we've heard from the met police. they say that they've heard from the gambling gambling commission that five met police officers may have put money on the date of the of the general election. the surprise date, the 4th of july. they're looking at that. and then tonight, in a kind of curveball moment, labour has said that it it has withdrawn support for kevin craig, who's a candidate in suffolk after mr craig. it seems , may have craig. it seems, may have gambled. we haven't got this confirmed yet, but there are reports across several news outlets that he gambled on himself on whether he would would win or wouldn't win the suffolk seat. so i think that's more of an individual betting. betting on his chances rather than knowing some internal information from the tory party
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about when the election date might be. but this this news from labour tonight, and there are reports now that labour may return, a donation that mr craig gave to the party, does give i think rishi sunak some room here. if labour are caught up in this issue of betting on politics, it allows rishi sunak when he faces journalists tomorrow , to point to the other tomorrow, to point to the other party and say they've got their own problems. >> interesting stuff. thank you very much for that, christopher. herb, of course , we just did herb, of course, we just did mention a couple of different constituencies, so i do just need to take a quick second to bnng need to take a quick second to bring you up to speed with the other candidates that are running in those places. so this is montgomeryshire. and, glenn, are you ready? glenn preston from the lib dems, elwyn vaughan from the lib dems, elwyn vaughan from plaid cymru. craig williams from plaid cymru. craig williams from the tories, oliver lewis from the tories, oliver lewis from reform uk, steve witherden from reform uk, steve witherden from labour, jeremy thorpe from
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green party also as well the candidate list for central suffolk and north ipswich. you've got kevin craig who will be on the ballot as labour, charlie kiger from who is an independent. tony gould reform uk, mike howlett who is an independent, brett . alistair independent, brett. alistair from sorry miguel . brett from sorry miguel. brett alistair mickleburgh from the lib dems, dan pratt from green party, patrick spence conservatives. goodness me. see, now this is the problem. i mean, i don't know where morals seem to be going in this election campaign. i really don't , and i campaign. i really don't, and i find the whole thing tragic. i'll come to on your guys in just a second. but before i go there, the tory party's. i just want to look at this side of the fence first, because, you know, i wonder, is this the extent of what you think is going on? have we reached the kind of the pinnacle of this, or do you reckon we're going to see more? i know you're not a tory, by the way, but i am back as a member of the conservative party. >> but i think this is just shown a really, really poor set of decision making by what seems
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to be quite a large people of, quite a large number of people. the policemen as well as the conservatives and now the labour man. but i think rishi sunak has deau man. but i think rishi sunak has dealt with it appallingly. he should have acted quickly, decisively, as keir starmer in his fairness, has done, and that it can't be acceptable to be trying to gain from inside knowledge in any way . and i knowledge in any way. and i spoke to various spads yesterday who said we all knew something was coming because things were. you know, felt different, different decisions were being made. we all had a pretty good idea. it wasn't going to be the november. we were still preparing for. they didn't go and put bets on it. they used their good judgement. >> but the flip side of this is it's all well and good, pushing rishi and saying you should have acted more decisively, quicker and all the rest of it. if you're one of those people who's been accused of something and you're actually innocent, you're not really going to appreciate it. i don't know whether or not it's losing the support of the party. when you're on the ballot papen party. when you're on the ballot paper, you're not going to
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appreciate ramifications if you're innocent. >> the rumour as to why he didn't act was supposedly that there were quite a number more to still come out. that may still turn out to be true, and that they may involve ministers. ihope that they may involve ministers. i hope that isn't true, but if it is, he would have been much, much better off giving them a firm telling off right at the beginning and saying this is not acceptable behaviour. we will not tolerate it and move on. this story wouldn't be running five days later, so low rent. >> and here is the problem, tom, because those in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. and when you start demanding all of this response and quick action without actually checking that your side of the fence is, you know, cleaner than a whistle, then you're going to come up. >> well, i come on to that in a moment. but first of all, just to say, i mean, every single one of us around this table at one point or other has stood as a political candidate in an election. and we know that the 101 book of do's and don'ts, as any kind of parliamentary candidate is, you don't gamble on yourself in an election. i think that's very, very clear. so there's been a huge breakdown
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of trust here on the issue of what's happened to mr craig. well, and that's the heart of it. i mean, i think actually the labour leaders demonstrated he's followed up on his rhetoric of the other day that this guy's feet clearly, but that's because he has to touch them. well, whether he has to or not, the fact is he's he has acted. and what we've found, sadly, with the prime minister is it's taken him two weeks to get to the point where their feet have not touched the floor, when it was pretty much an open and shut case notwithstanding, on the issue of due process, just one final issue, though, michel, because there is another dimension to this. not just a political one. six police officers who are part of rishi sunak's close protection squad are also under investigation here as well. so if that isn't alleged, misconduct in public office, i don't know what is. and that i think extends this to being a much more serious issue. politics yes, but also in our pubuc politics yes, but also in our public services. >> but why do you think things have become so low? because i just find this really grubby. so you're going to risk your
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professional representative, youri professional representative, your i can't speak today reputation. you can tell i've been to the tric awards getting involved in the celebrations this afternoon, can't you, ladies and gents? but, look, you're going to risk your professional reputation. i can't speak, why can't i say that word? for what? £50? £100? if your bet comes in. i mean, are these people really that skinned? >> well, it really is extraordinary. is it ? because if extraordinary. is it? because if there's one thing that should unite anyone , regardless of unite anyone, regardless of where they are on the political spectrum, or indeed in public life, is that you go into public service in order to be transparent, in order to be accountable and importantly, in order to uphold what is great about being british, which is fairness and integrity in what you do . so the fact that these you do. so the fact that these people have broken that very first rule of public service is really, really serious. >> but then i can hear people now saying, well, hang on, michelle, because it comes from the top. and when you've got people involved in things like partygate and whatnot, that trickles down. and then people will look and go, well, hang on a second. if people like the prime minister of the country
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don't behave themselves, why should i? >> and of course, rishi was, fined for that. but it does come from the top. but it also comes with what motivates you. and i think that's the really big question that all of these candidates are facing. what is motivating them? doing the right thing , fighting for their thing, fighting for their country, making changes for the better or for their bank balance. >> but what do you think that is? do you think people are going into public office for the right reasons? >> i think the vast majority do. i genuinely do. from all parties. i think that people go in wanting to make a difference, wanting to make things better. >> do you think that because i do worry a little bit that we've turned politicians into celebrities? so these people who are supposed to be public servants, they're now getting paid to go on to reality tv shows when actually they're supposed to be supporting the people who've put them into office. they are. they're writing books, they're making millions on the circuits and all the rest of it. yeah. they're not celebrities, are they? >> well, i mean, there are viewers watching this, of course, will be close followers of presenters of this show as
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well, who are also serving politicians. i don't think that's the issue so much. the fact that politics to some extent, i mean, it's often referred to as showbiz for ugly people, but i'll leave other people, but i'll leave other people to decide on that point. but the point is, you know, people are well known. they are going to have a hinterland outside of politics. i don't have a problem with that. but fundamentally, if people stand up, put their hand up and say they want to serve the public at whatever level, local government level or national government level, they need to also be a bit wise that the torch, the sunlight of scrutiny will be on them, not not just in terms of what they're doing now during the campaign, but everything will be overturned, their digital record. i mean, we've seen this, haven't we? the candidates. so therefore don't step into the arena if you can't take the question that i was always told to ask myself before i did anything, and i think it's a great piece of advice that all our candidates at the moment could do with taking is how would it look on the front page of the local paper? >> this doesn't look good. >> this doesn't look good. >> well, there you go. >> well, there you go. >> some people didn't consider that susan says michelle, we are in italy as we speak, listening
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to your show via our telephones. well you are, you create a nice segue for me then, because after the break, i want to talk about why are so many people right across europe so unhappy, what's going on? and i also want to ask you, do you think that migrants are queuing up in calais, desperately waiting for a labour government?
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hello there. i'm michelle dewberry. this is dewbs & co live dewberry. this is dewbs& co live with you till 7:00 tonight. yes, indeed. nunziata rees—mogg remains alongside us, as does tom buick. lots of you getting in touch. i started the program talking about the tric awards . talking about the tric awards. lots of you celebrating those wins alongside us tonight, sir. thank you very much for that. but look , let's talk about but look, let's talk about immigration, shall we? because according to rishi sunak , he according to rishi sunak, he reckons that migrants are, i quote, queuing up in calais waiting for labour to win the
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election. now, this is, of course, tom, all because keir starmer says that he on day one is going to rip up the rwanda plan, so therefore is this basically a dream to these migrants? >> well , first of all, i don't >> well, first of all, i don't think they are queuing up waiting for a labour government makes a great daily telegraph headline, by the way. that's where i saw that this morning because they were queuing up already. i mean, we are going to be heading towards something like 45,000 people crossing the channel. we're already up to over 12,000 in the first six months of this year. so this is a record year already when we, of course, the prime minister, famously one of his five pledges was that he would stop the boats. and by the way, one of the reasons why i think he called the election before most people expected , including his people expected, including his own party, was because i think he, you know, was never in a cat in hell's chance going to get these rwanda flights off. so coming on to labour, trying though, it's not his fault. yeah, but it's completely the wrong plan, michel. i mean, it's a gimmick for a start. i mean, the idea that, flying o.5% a gimmick for a start. i mean,
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the idea that, flying 0.5% of those that come across the channel off to rwanda is a sufficient, disincentive is just for the birds. >> but why were people going to ireland then saying that? actually the reason that we're doing this is because the rwanda scheme, i mean, looking ahead, we can't dismiss that that was happening. yeah. >> well, some well for some but you know, we're talking about was it a thousand wasn't it. well no. because it hasn't stopped a record breaking year in terms of the number of people coming because they know that the tories are about to lose the election and it's not going to happen. well, look, there's three things in my view that keir starmer's got to get a grip of on day one. first of course thing of course, is to cancel the rwanda plan. obviously labour planned to put that money into this new border command. but i think the second and third point is this we've got to get back as a country to the idea of statecraft again and actually using our soft power and our international diplomacy diplomacy to do deals with other countries. and that's why you like the taliban. i've got no well, no, not like the taliban.
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>> well, you can't say not like you can't say not like the taliban, because i certainly don't want afghanistan a pariah state. >> but anyway, there's a returns agreement, i believe, on the table with france that will end this vile trade across the atlantic, not the atlantic, across the atlantic . across the atlantic. >> we've all been at the tric awards this afternoon. >> exactly. yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, i think i'll be going across, but i think you're being frightfully optimistic that we have talked to many countries. >> we have tried to encourage people not to come, and we've tried to get them to agree to take them back. it worked to an extent with albania, but still lots of albanians come. and if the telegraph reporters actually went over to calais and spoke to people waiting to cross, and i will give a quote from an elderly iraqi woman selling cigarettes, i will not go until the day they make the right decision to destroy rwanda. i am looking forward to a new government. if things change, i will go . and i think that really will go. and i think that really shows that rwanda was acting as a deterrent, that people did not
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want to be immediately deported. they want to come here to stay in the uk, and that is the incentive. and that's what we need to get rid of that. they are already in safe countries and they they should stay. the french have been given millions and millions of taxpayer money and millions of taxpayer money and they still don't keep them or take them back. those conversations have been going on for years. yeah, but what we've got to do is leave the echr speed up our own processing and get people out of the country. but unfortunately, if labour win the election, they don't want to move them anywhere. >> what you're quoting at me are a few anecdotes where people clearly have made the decision that they won't come across until the rwanda plan is cancelled. what i'm dealing with here is in the hard knuckle facts, which is we're set for a record breaking year of the numbers of people that are going because there's no deterrent, because there's no deterrent, because there's no every possible point. >> the rwanda plan has been delayed and tried to be offloaded by the people on the
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left that don't believe it's a safe country. it is clearly a safe country. it is clearly a safe country. it is clearly a safe country. it's a holiday destination and we should just get on with moving people out to stop the flow coming behind them, but also to speed up the processing so that we can get rid of an awful lot more back to the safe places they've come from. mainly in the first place. >> i think if the majority of british voters watching this thought that that indeed was the case, then rishi sunak would be a lot further ahead in the polls. i think people look at the rwanda plan, the cost of something like £165,000 per migrant to go over there and just look at that and think, there's got to be another diplomatic solution. >> when you look at the lord's trying to derail it, you look at the labour party trying to derail it. you look at the courts trying to derail it. you look at the civil servants who wanted to take legal action because they don't think they would be acting legally to enforce it. that is why it hasn't happened sooner and more people haven't already. but what i started to go the deterrent is
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in the act of removing people. >> what i'm saying there's a failure of statecraft and what i would like to see. day one of a labour government is, macron and keir starmer. frankly, macron actually said, look, we're going to start negotiating a returns agreement. >> it might not be macron. >> it might not be macron. >> that would. well, i mean, we'll see the second stage of the elections on july the 7th. but the point is, in the end, this has got to be resolved between britain and france when we have the song gap problem back in the early 2000, that was a treaty that was agreed between the then home secretary, david blunkett, and his french counterpart. we have, as you know, and led to the french customs and border officials on our own territory. we're giving money at the moment to the french police in the pas de calais to police their own border. >> so i think the foundation's not doing it very well. are they? well, the problem there. see them, wave them off. we know that british people watch these reports coming in from the beaches of calais. >> and what they see are french gendarmes standing there watching the, you know,
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criminals and those who are crossing the channel, coming across the channel but in the end, the only way we're going to stop this vile trade is by smashing the criminal gangs and doing this returns agreement. that's where the focus is going to be on day one of a labour government that is fantasy island. >> if you ask me. we shall see who is well. yeah, we shall probably, unfortunately. look, i'll tell you, nigel farage, he, has been speaking out about this today. >> listen behind me. you can see a white dinghy. there are 45 people on board behind it. you can see an escort vessel because that's what the french do. despite the £500 million we've given them, they literally. once these boats are afloat, escort them to our 12 mile line where they hand them over to border force. that of itself, i think, is outrageous. but the significance of this boat is that this number on this vessel take it beyond 50,000 that have come since rishi sunak has been
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prime minister >> you see, 50,000 people, many of whom now will be in hotels, many of whom will be in four star hotels, some of whom now have taken, voluntary removal to rwanda. i think they get about 3 or £4000 to go there. and i mean, you've got viewers of this channel be sitting there. they really struggle financially. they are sitting there going, what on earth is happening? people like nigel farage will say, tom, that you need to leave the echr do you think we do? >> no. >> no. >> absolutely not. i mean, at what point are we going to sort of start leaving every single international institution? i mean, i voted for brexit, campaign for brexit. i was pleased to see the back of technocrats ruling over us in brussels. but, you know, you do have to start to draw a line. and i think this whole right wing agenda of pulling out of every single international treaty as somehow the magic bullet that's going to, do you think it's right wing with this? >> want to control your borders? >> want to control your borders? >> no, it's not right wing to want to control your borders. i do think it's right wing to
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start wanting to pull out of every single international treaty. i mean, where does it stop? so, you know, we pull out of the echr, which, by the way, we were one of the founders of. and it protects all sorts of other human rights that are not haven't in the past been in uk domestic law. do we pull out of the un convention on refugees, you know, where where does it stop? >> i think actually these international bodies have to face the facts that a lot of them are past their sell by date, that we're getting there. and when we started, with the echr, it had a very limited remit and it made complete sense. it has extended its reach time and time again, not just in geography, but in areas of law. it has redefined what human rights are completely so that switzerland cannot postpone its target for net zero because it's against their right to life, the swiss had a referendum asking its government to do exactly that. they wanted a slower, pathway to net zero. and the echr say no, it's none of their business. we are democratic
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countries, and we should be able to govern ourselves. and this is particularly important when it comes to our borders. that time and again comes up as the number one issue that every elector is most concerned about. and we can't do enough because the echr stops us. we all remember the man who had a right to a family life with his cat . the echr is life with his cat. the echr is past its sell by date. >> i mean, that is a bit pathetic, isn't it, tom? >> if you are happy to be in the same company as russia and belarus in europe, because we talk about pulling out of the court, actually what it means is pulling out of the council of europe, which is a separate institution from the european union . again, another union. again, another institution that we were instrumental in developing after the war. again, it's back to my point earlier about statecraft. we need grown ups in the room who team up, for example, with other countries like switzerland, and we tackle this. i do agree with you on judicial activism. there has been this mission creep in several,
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international organisations. but the people, our leaders who we elect as head of states and prime ministers need to get in a room just like they do on lots of other issues, including climate change, and come to an international agreement about how we reform these institutions. >> of course, just pulling up the drawbridge annunciator and saying we're wanting more to do with one of the 47 countries that are members of the echr are, say, doesn't carry any more weight than any of theirs. >> and we have to look after our people first and foremost. we have an absolutely outstanding and historically replicated across the world legal system here. we do not need foreign courts to tell us what we can and cannot do. >> one of my viewers is asking michelle, why is it not so simple as the french police slashing some have, some have done that, but it's not. >> it's not. if you like part of their operational guidance to do it on a regular basis , why not? it on a regular basis, why not? well, again, i think it's back to this point about we need that would immediately. >> i mean, if you've got a dinghy that's been, you know,
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hacked at the side, it's going to let water in. it's not going anywhere. yeah so why aren't that basic 101. >> well, i don't know what plans keir starmer's got for this new border command, but i would have thought part of that plan is to have with the french gendarmes, specialist police on the other side of the channel that can break those criminal gangs and ensure that those dinghies don't actually launch from the shores of calais. >> do you share tom's optimism? do you think that on day one we're going to get this rwanda plan, we're going to rip it up, we're going to chuck it in the bin, and everything is going to be sorted out with this specialist command unit. do you have that view or not? also, after the break, i want to ask you, there's this big poll that's been, done in europe. the unhappiness across europe is absolutely rife. i also want to ask you as well about kids. why do so many of them want to be so—called influencers when they grow
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hi there. i'm michelle dewberry
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with you till 7:00 tonight. alongside with a former brexit party mep, nunziata rees—mogg. and the writer and commentator and believer that actually all problems will be resolved once we rip up the rwanda plan at tom buick. i can tell you now, at home, not many people are agreeing with tom on that issue. sorry, tom. look, a new poll has revealed that most european countries apparently are pessimistic about the future of their countries growth. there's not a lot of happiness sweeping that continent. your thoughts on it? >> i think this reflects the general malaise of the west that we are not maintaining our growth and economic ability, and what we really need to do is re revitalise our countries and allow them to be free enough to compete with other countries that are overtaking us. >> how do we do that? >> how do we do that? >> we need to, scrap fake targets such as net zero. it's
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very good to become greener , but very good to become greener, but actually we're just imposing huge costs on personal households and businesses. we need to make employment easier. we need to cut the red tape. we have a very good system. we want it to be fair, but open , and it to be fair, but open, and we've gradually been closing it down and it's worse across on europe, which i think is part of the reason so many of them are starting to vote for far right parties that this soft left, what's the far right party, in terms of germany and france , terms of germany and france, amongst others, actually spain too , they've all been putting in too, they've all been putting in this commentary much further. >> right. but i do find this commentary, but it's because the left experiment has failed . but left experiment has failed. but but don't you? i mean, this whole notion of, you know, people are moving towards the so—called far right. i find that phrase just a little bit laughable. now not because i'm trying to laugh at what is actually, far right behaviour, but because that terminology is
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so loosely applied now that i just think it's become meaningless. it has. >> but i do think it, it does have some meaning in the european context. just look at the recent eu parliament elections. there's parties like democracy and identity for example, that have got fascist roots. and so fascist in fact, that they're not even allowed in to the centre right, which is still the biggest bloc within the european union, the one that ursula von der leyen is part of, you know, the european people's party. that's the sort of centre right centrist party in that sense. but, you know, the point of the question is why is there so much malaise across europe? and indeed, in this country? it's because since the financial crash in 2008, people have not seen their living standards improve and political leaders across europe and in this country have failed, in my view, on the basics, it's on housing, it's on health, it's on opportunity. in education for our young people and the voters
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are just fed up. and that's really what's going on. >> all of those things are only possible if we have economic growth that houses take to money build. >> that training needs , teachers >> that training needs, teachers needs investment in buildings and lots of money to improve our nhs. it's a bottomless pit . it nhs. it's a bottomless pit. it seemingly needs endless amounts of money and the only way that we can generate that is through the private sector being allowed to grow. what we've done instead is to pump money both here and overin is to pump money both here and over in europe , quantitative over in europe, quantitative easing into the economy. that gives us inflation but no actual growth. and what we now need to do is to allow businesses to take up the slack and improve all our living standards by improving the output of the economy. >> but that was an idea that was tried in the early 1980s. it's the idea that you can cut your way to growth. you just cut income taxes. liz truss tried that with kwasi kwarteng. look where that got us in terms of the confidence in the international market.
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>> there is it's just not, you know, actually what we've suffered from is governments not being in my view, activist enoughin being in my view, activist enough in terms of focusing. >> so take housing actually, it's not just about money annunciator. it's about the planning rules as well. >> they need to. absolutely. i've said cut racism. >> i've said cut red tape. >> i've said cut red tape. >> people don't want houses built in their area. we need a national government that's prepared to overrule some of what you want. >> if you've got a bit of green at the end of your road. so you bought your house. it was a quiet little cul de sac. there was a bit of green space. would you want a massive development of houses to be at the end of your road? >> i probably wouldn't if it was blocking my view, but the point is, i don't get to make that decision. if in the decision of, you know, democratic governments who need to build houses, then, you know, frankly, it doesn't really matter what i think, does it? >> well, i'll tell you who is thinking things. of course. it's england tonight. they are playing. we can do our score predictions in just a second, but i want to ask you, the mayor of london, sadiq khan. he has stopped cabbies from flying the
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england flag. when you look at london, the amount of flags that fly from everywhere is absolutely bananas. so can't the cabbies fly this one? you tell me.
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hello there. i'm michelle dewberry with you until 7:00 tonight. former brexit party mep nunziata rees—mogg and the writer and commentator tom buick alongside me. well, england, of course , are playing tonight. he course, are playing tonight. he got me thinking then sadiq khan, in london, him and tfl, they have banned black cab drivers from flying england flags. why? what do you think to this? is this the right decision? he reckons it will be a distraction for other motorists. >> yeah, i mean he's given the good old health and safety reason, but then that flies in the face of logic . because why the face of logic. because why is the british government allowing these flags then to be sold in our petrol forecourt stations. and they're being attached as we speak to other licensed minicabs and hackney carriages across the country,
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but just not in london. i'm sorry, michelle, it's one of those stories. you know, i just despair. i mean, he's nominally part of the same centre left tradition that i'm from, but this is just a great example of the regressive left. in my view, it's far too much about virtue signalling and identity politics. look, we've grown up with the saint george's cross on these taxis. i lived in london for 15 years. we used to have red noses, remember, on the front of the taxis as well as, i mean, would they be banned now under the sadiq khan regime in city hall? i think the whole thing is just bonkers. but i'm afraid that's the kind of virtue signalling politics that we've got from him in recent years. >> indeed. >> indeed. >> annunciator, you've said all my words for me, tom. thank you. it's absolutely ridiculous. it's health and safety gone mad. i think there are suggestions that it's more to do with being politically correct and not causing offence. well our flag shouldn't be offensive to anyone. we should wear it with pride and i went past a taxi
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earlier today instead of having a flag. had hung baseball caps with the saint george's cross on them and all his headrests. i don't think you can be banned from having a hat in your cab, so i suspect he's got away with it, but we should be allowed to be patriotic and around the rest of the country, flags are on cars, taxis and houses all over the place near me. i think it's wonderful. >> well, a tfl spokesman said basically the only official signs and stickers can be displayed, apparently any other signage or flags are not permitted because they could cause a distraction to other drivers and or road users. well, i don't mean to be rude, but how come you're allowed to fly all the different flags seemingly everywhere and you can have massive posters like this? look at this one that's going on, in and around london at the moment. so you can celebrate all of this. they're them stuff you can have pictures of individuals that have chopped off the healthy bits and pieces in massive, banners and borders and all the rest of it. and that's
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not a distraction, but apparently a tiny little flag is. look, are you getting into the atmosphere, though? because i can cross live now to theo chikomba. he is at a fan park. let's go. theo, what's happening ? >> well, 7- >> well, i 7_ >> well, i have 7 >> well, i have to say that the atmosphere here is electric. lots of people are starting to arrive now. you are talking about england flags. there are some george's flags everywhere here and whilst driving into croydon there were people's cars, people's homes . everyone cars, people's homes. everyone is gearing up to the match tonight, just very quickly. in the last few minutes we've seen pictures of the england team arriving, walking on the pitch and in about ten minutes or so we'll find out who is going to be playing this evening. >> there have been lots of questions in the last couple of days about who's going to start. >> there are lots of good engush >> there are lots of good english players who haven't even had the opportunity to play yet. they'll be hoping to get on the pitch tonight, but what does this match actually mean? england are safe at the moment, but if they do lose this evening, slovenia do go on top
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of the table. but if england win then of course they remain on top of the table. and of course what it will mean is what are they going to do in the next round? because they'll be up against tough competition. but so far, so good. we'll be speaking to fans here and we'll be hearing them throughout the night here on gb news theo chikomba. >> thank you very much. i shall leave you to go and soak up the atmosphere. oh, i do like it. i do think when england etc. are playing, i do like the kind of the vibe. everyone seems to come together. it's a fabulous atmosphere. you're going to be watching. >> absolutely. >> absolutely. >> i've followed every single euros. i think it's just a fantastic event. when it happens, it always gets all of my household going. i'm my bet is three one, by the way, against slovenia tonight. oh, and i do think, by the way , and i do think, by the way, gareth southgate and his boys. yeah. do you not think they've been given a really hard time. i mean they finished top of the group, probably will finish top of the group. let's see what happens tonight. but you know i think they've done well. it's been it's been a tough tournament. but i do think we've been a bit down on them. do you
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not think do you. >> well i'm sure i heard rumours through the day about southgate saying that actually he didn't really pay attention. he didn't tune in to the criticism. white noise, he called it. yeah, yeah. and i think that's a damn cheek actually, because i think if your nation is criticising your, tactics and all the rest of it, you should be paying attention to it. he's paying attention, michel, to the sports psychologists that say when you're competing at that sort of level, you've got to get in the zone and getting in the zone means just focusing on your eye, on the prize, not worrying about what somebody else is saying. so you said three one. i'm going to make a note of that so i can come back. i'm not betting on that, by the way. oh, you're not a betting man. oh yes. we've learnt our lesson about that one. annunciator are you a football fan? >> i do watch the euros, and with the children. and we all get very behind england and i hope they do do well today. unfortunately, i'll be in the car, so i'll be listening to it on the radio. >> oh will you. and what's your score prediction, i am going to go two one to england, two one to england. >> fight game. i think i'm going to do two all. i think that's
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what i'm going to predict, i'm not going to put any money on it because, you know, we don't do bet in this day and age. it gets you into all kinds of trouble, as we're seeing in other quarters. but yeah, i think i'm going to go to all, but i'm one of those kind of people that i don't really follow the euros. i've had a little bit of a sweepstake here, about the team, and i got such a rubbish one, i can't remember who it was, but when i drew it out of the hat, everyone laughed at me. they just laughed at me. so i think that my chances of winning, whatever it was £1.50 or something. i think that's, for the birds. i've got to say, look, many of you, some of you have just got in touch there. wayne says, michelle, if i was a cabbie, i would absolutely be flying my england flag loud and proud. a few of you are actually saying that that's exactly what you would do. i think you might get into trouble, though. i've got to say, lots of you, though, of course, cheering on england and of course you're ending the show as we started the show, which is also cheering on gb news at the tric awards this afternoon . imagine if england afternoon. imagine if england won. that would be absolutely fabulous, wouldn't it? a day, a
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full on celebrations for now though, that is all i've got time for. thank you very much, tom bewick and annunziata rees—mogg. thank you. very importantly, though , thank you importantly, though, thank you to each and every single one of you. don't go anywhere though, because up next, it is award winner camilla tominey night a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on gb news >> evening. welcome to your. latest weather update from the met office here on gb news. very warm and humid again for most places tomorrow it will be a bit cloudier across parts of the east, particularly eastern scotland. we are kind of between two areas of high pressure. an old weather front has been providing quite a lot of cloud today over parts of scotland and northern ireland, and still producing a little bit of light rain over eastern scotland. 1 or 2 heavy showers for southern scotland and northern england. they should tend to fade away. for most, it's a dry night, lengthy, clear skies across the south turning a bit misty along
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some eastern coasts and perhaps in the south—west and temperatures holding up maybe no lower than 17in the capital, but a much fresher feel in the northwest for much of northern ireland and western scotland. so a more comfortable night here. we should start off with quite a bit of sunshine in western scotland, but in the east of scotland, but in the east of scotland quite a grey start and likely to stay fairly cloudy here through the day. could even be a little bit of rain at times as well. a brighter day though for northern ireland compared to today. a bit more in the way of sunshine. quite a bit of cloud over the far north of england, but the bulk of england and wales dry and sunny, just a bit misty around some coasts in devon and cornwall and the threat of this mist and low cloud lingering across parts of the north sea coast as well. i suspect, though much of england and wales just dry and sunny and very warm once more. plenty of sunny spells for northern ireland and the west of scotland, but in the eastern side, as i mentioned, always likely to stay fairly cloudy with maybe a little bit of rain at times. notice cloud and rain is edging towards the west of northern ireland as well. temperatures were a little
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higher for northern ireland compared to today and across england and wales again, mid 20s, maybe up to 31. in the capital we are going to see a change though, as low pressure comes in, you can see the swirl here, bringing a band of cloud and patchy rain across the country, followed by plenty of showers. that is a cold front and so it will introduce cooler conditions . one more very warm conditions. one more very warm day across the south—east on thursday, but turning fresher for all by friday. >> looks like things are heating up. boxt boilers
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>> good evening and welcome to vote 2024. >> the people decide with me. camilla tominey coming up on tonight's show, we're going to discuss the fact that migrant crossings have reached a record high since january. we're also going to be giving you the latest on the tory betting scandal. and we'll be discussing sir keir starmer's crusade to
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make knife crime a moral mission we'll also hear from former england manager big sam allardyce ahead of tonight's big game against slovenia. and as always, i'd love you to get in touch with me with your thoughts on tonight's topics. visit gbnews.com/yoursay. but first, here's the news with polly middlehurst. >> camilla, thank you and good evening to you. well, suspended labour candidate kevin craig says he deeply regrets betting against himself and taking a punt on the tories, winning in his own constituency. he says he'll fully comply with any investigation and that comes after former conservative candidates craig williams and
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