that ship to this issue, or has that ship already sailed.7 and do you think we need to have a global wealth tax for the ultra wealthy? if so, tell me, what would that look like? and just when you thought this election campaign, quite frankly, could not get any more bizarre, get this doctor who was basically seemed to suggest that he wishes kemi badenoch was dead. then he realised how bad that sounded and rowed back to say what he actually meant to say was that she should shut up. what on earth he's going . on? holac and earth he's going. on? holac and more before seven. but for now, the 6:00 headlines. >> michel, thank you and good evening to you. well, the driver of a car that crashed into a primary school in london, killing two eight year old girls. will face no criminal charges. nouria sajjad and ceuna charges. nouria sajjad and celina law died after the crash at their primary school in

wimbledon last year. it was found the driver had suffered an epileptic seizure behind the wheel, and she's expressed her deepest sorrow and said she has no recollection of what took place. the parents of the girls killed, though , said they remain killed, though, said they remain unconvinced that the investigation has been conducted thoroughly . julian assange says thoroughly. julian assange says it's surreal to be back on australian soil after his years long struggle for freedom came to an end. a warning if you're watching on television, the following does contain some flashing imagery. the 52 year old wikileaks founder touched down in canberra, australia, today, where he was granted greeted rather by his father and his wife stella. she says he'll need time now to rediscover his freedom. while his lawyer described his homecoming as a huge win for free speech and the australian prime minister, anthony albanese, thanked the uk and the united states for supporting the international effort behind him. >> i do want to express my

appreciation to the united states and the united kingdom for their efforts in making this possible, he described it as a surreal and happy moment. he's landing here in our national caphal landing here in our national capital, canberra, he expressed his thanks to what he described as the diplomatic a—team, when i spoke about the role that , kevin spoke about the role that, kevin and steven have been able to play and steven have been able to play now, scotland secretary alister jack insists he play now, scotland secretary alisterjack insists he hasn't alister jack insists he hasn't broken any rules after he admitted to placing three bets on the date of the uk election. >> the cabinet minister said he had no inside knowledge of when the election would take place, despite previously revealing he had made more than £2,000 from the bet. he later dismissed that claim as a joke. mrjack becomes the seventh person to become embroiled in the scandal with just a week to go before voters

head to the polls , the labour head to the polls, the labour leader, sir keir starmer, says the conservatives have taken too long to deal with the scandal. >> i made very clear that if any of my candidates was being investigated in relation to the gambling commission, i would remove them straight away, which is what i've done. that's in a sharp contrast to rishi sunak, who took days and days and days before he took action as a wider story here about the choice that the general election next week between carrying on with what we've had for the last 14 years or so, the inaction by rishi sunakis or so, the inaction by rishi sunak is just absolutely in keeping with the way that they've governed for 14 years, or turning the page and starting to rebuild the country. >> so keir starmer, now spanish police have released new footage in their search for the missing british teenager jay slater. if you're watching on television , you're watching on television, check out these aerial shots from a helicopter scouring that mountainous area beneath them. with search teams still working on foot below, having been

joined by specialised sniffer dogs just yesterday, the guardia civil, the local police saying their efforts in tenerife aren't being scaled back. the 19 year old went missing ten days ago whilst on holiday. early morning calls to gp practices in an effort to limit it to get to lock in. limited appointments could become a thing of the past. under plans to bolster the nhs app under labour, they say they would have a plan to see they would have a plan to see the app updated to encompass several health professionals, including gps, physiotherapists and dentists, to make securing and dentists, to make securing an appointment simple and easy. the party says 5 million people tried and failed to get a gp appointment every month last yeah appointment every month last year. and vice admiral sir tim laurence says the princess royal is recovering slowly as he left a bristol hospital after visiting his wife. princess anne is understood to have been injured by a horse while she was out walking on her gatcombe

estate on sunday evening. she suffered some memory loss. we understand the exact circumstances are unclear at this stage, but doctors are saying she will make a full recovery. just one last story for you about phil foden. he's had to leave england's euro 2024 camp to return home for the birth of his third child. it's hoped the manchester city midfielder will be back in time for sunday's last 16 clash in germany. he started all three of england's group c matches as gareth southgate's side advanced by finishing top of the group. we wish him luck whilst he's at home. that's the news for the latest stories, sign up to gb news alerts. scan the qr code on the screen or go to gb news .com/ alerts. >> thank you very much for that, polly. i found that last story or one of the last stories there in the headlines. interesting about labour's plans when it all comes to modern tech, particularly how we are going to

revolutionise the nhs. as you might know, my background is of course it and one of the basics that we're always taught about. one of those kind of scare stories was what happened last time, one of the biggest public failings. it projects when you're bored, go and look it up. i want someone to actually ask these people, how on earth are you going to actually make sure that you've got the basics right? so we don't have yet another technology disaster? what do you think to it all? is technology the future for the nhs or not? i michelle dewberry i'm with you until 7:00 tonight alongside me, my panel. i've got alongside me, my panel. i've got a new to face the programme. we like those ladies and gents, don't we, zia yusuf? he's the entrepreneur and the biggest donor to reform uk . also donor to reform uk. also alongside him, of course, aaron bastani, co—founder of novara media. gentlemen, you're very, very welcome . first time we do very welcome. first time we do love a new face. you are also very welcome tonight. and you know the drill on this programme, don't you? it's not just about us. it's very much about you guys at home as well. what is on your mind tonight? get in touch. all the usual ways . email gb views at gb news.com. you can go to the website gb

news tuc talk to me on there as some of you already are. of course you can tweet or x me and also get this. what a proposition for you. you look here you lucky people because you have the opportunity to spend the night with me. yes you did indeed hear that right? live on election night gb news. we will be over in essex. not just me, but my colleague patrick christys as well. we will be hosting an exclusive election night watch party and if you want to be part of that live audience in essex, you can apply now . get your telephones out, now. get your telephones out, scan that qr code on your screen or go to the website gb news .com/ election party. i'm not joking , by the way. i literally joking, by the way. i literally means spend the night with me because we are pulling an all nighter. it's not for the lightweights , ladies and gents, lightweights, ladies and gents, but it will be a moment never to forget. i can promise you that. but look, let's talk about the election campaign, shall we? because i'm joined live by gb news political editor christopher hope. good evening

to you, christopher. christopher hope. good evening to you, christopher . where christopher hope. good evening to you, christopher. where are you and what can you tell us about the goings on of the day? >> i'm in a hot nottingham. michelle. where we're waiting shortly for the start of this final head to head debate. there's been one of the only one other so far in this campaign which the two main party leaders , rishi sunak and sir keir starmer. and we're here this the bbc are showing it live on tv tonight. i'm here with all the build up from the spin room where i'm standing, and it's really hot here. and then of course the reaction afterwards. all on gb news. so do stay tuned for that, it's been quite a busy day on the election trail. the big news at 5:00 today has been an mrp poll by electoral calculus. and find out now that means that they've gone. they've polled a lot of more people than the usual 1500 or 2000 or so. they've polled 19,000 people between june the 14th and june the 24th. it's given the labour party a forecast majority of 250. next friday morning, 450

mps, the tories to down 60. and they're in third place behind they're in third place behind the liberal democrats on 71 mps. so according to this forecast from electoral calculus, find out now. the lib dems , yes, the out now. the lib dems, yes, the lib dems become the official opposition, which is extraordinary in itself. also big news in this poll is the reform uk party led by richard tice and nigel farage. they get 18 mp5 tice and nigel farage. they get 18 mps from zero, of course, to 18 mps from zero, of course, to 18 mp5. that'll 18 mps from zero, of course, to 18 mps. that'll be historic for a challenger party to get that many. quite surprising, the snp , many. quite surprising, the snp, 24 greens and plied four and one independent mp. guess who it is? jeremy corbyn, the former labour leader now an independent standing in this election. so this is a poll from find out now an electoral calculus. it's forecasting a historic result next friday. the bigger, bigger landslide majority for labour since 1997. biggest in seven.

but it's a busy old time here and the reform uk news i think is interesting. elsewhere on the election trail, reform uk are saying that nigel farage can't campaign in scotland because it's not safe and a greenpeace protester has been spotted on the roof of the tory battlebus . the roof of the tory battlebus. >> and what did they do? did they leave him up there and take him cups of tea, or did they actually yank him off? didn't sound right, you know what i mean? did they get him off that boat? did i did the bus? >> yeah, i didn't see. i think i think he's now taken down. i don't know how he came down because i wasn't on, i was being i've been interviewing labour. the lib dem leader sir ed davey for gb news. and that interview plays out tonight at 7 pm. so i wasn't with the with the protester at the time. >> interesting stuff christopher hope, thank you very much. i don't know these protesters think they are. did you see them. the one that happened yesterday. absolutely revolting. i don't even want to indulge too much airtime on it. also disgusting, the one with the lake.i disgusting, the one with the lake. i honestly, i don't even

know what goes through people's minds in this day and age. look, let's just pick up on this mrp poll then. so it is quite fresh off the press. but as we were just saying there, i mean, you are i need to be very transparent about this, the biggest donor to reform uk when you see a poll that says that that party is essentially on track to potentially get 18 seats, do you think that is money well spent for you? do you think what you're doing, it should be more are you surprised or what? >> well, firstly, i'm i think that the party tell me i'm my donation was the biggest of the campaign so far, so that would just be the first thing i'd say. look, i did what i did, and i donated money to the reform party because i believe nigel farage and richard tice are the best political leaders to take this country forward to face down these formidable challenges that we face and these polls that we face and these polls that show reform with 18% of the vote, with 18 seats, are a demonstration that, look, reform is a vote for reform is clearly a positive vote to take the

country forward positively. if you're sitting at home and you want real change in westminster , want real change in westminster, you're tired of the status quo. you're tired of either bad policies or people who put forward policies. you agree with and then essentially do the total opposite. frankly, the only option, the only vote that isn't a wasted vote is a vote for reform. >> so do you. so you feel pleased about that outcome? >> well, look, i think the one thing is the level that would you want a better at level. >> is it surprising to you. >> is it surprising to you. >> well everything's about the momentum. you know in october 2022 reform are polling at around 4. you know, this poll shows them at 18. we're up against reform are up against the conservative party, the oldest political party in the world. reform has been around in the blink of an eye compared to that. and yet look at the remarkable momentum. and we have 18. one thing that i'm not particularly happy about is that we have 18% of the vote share in this poll, with only 18 seats, labour 40% of the vote share 450 seats, which just shows the formidable challenge that reform are up against. but the momentum is clearly with the reform

party. i'm incredibly optimistic about the future. >> well, i think it was the last time that you was on actually, your your opposite, if you like, on this debate was peter hitchens, and he was, telling all the viewers, you know, you shouldn't vote for the likes of reform uk. he's saying that that is essentially a vote for laboun is essentially a vote for labour. and the point at the zmax there in terms of labour getting 40% of the vote and such a massive number of those seats, does that kind of mean that the likes of peter hitchens predictions ring true, or what? >> well, if this is accurate, i think pizzas arguments are moot because the conservative party getting 60 seats, losing 22 members of the cabinet, including, by the way, i tweeted about this before i came on air. i didn't see the fact that rishi sunak and jeremy hunt are the two of the people that go extraordinary. if that was to come to pass and obviously and isn't that going to be the first time a sitting prime minister is going to lose his seat like that? rishi sunak obviously it's the best of my understanding. the liberals had something strange happen, i think, in the

early 20th century, but i don't think it was like this. i think you had a former pm lose there. i think herbert asquith lost his seat in the subsequent election, but i think that's correct. and there are so many surprises, by there are so many surprises, by the way, beyond just reform and the way, beyond just reform and the tories, the green party getting four seats, ed davey's leader of the opposition, would be the most crazy election in british history. but quickly, on your point about the conservatives, it's moot because they're just they're in freefall and if i was a reform member or activist or leader, i would say there are still those 60 seats. there's 18 of us. we hunt them down in 2030, 2029. and if that does come to pass, i think you've got an even stevens chance. that's the end of the conservative party, because what is their unique selling point compared to reform, which have this formidable operation? great social media nigel farage, what's their selling point going to be? they're going to have no leadership. all their top people have just been decapitated. so it's existential for the tories if that happens. >> well, towards the end of the programme, i'm going to bring lead into the conversation. many

of you will be familiar with kemi badenoch, but actually some people would argue, aaron well, you ask about the tories. what about if they had someone like kemi leading them at the next election, then that might change their fortunes. >> she loses her seat. she loses her seat. penny mordaunt loses her seat. penny mordaunt loses her seat. penny mordaunt loses her seat. rishi, jeremy hunt, gillian keegan i mean, lots of people lose their seats. so i mean, kemi badenoch would be the best of a bad bunch in terms of trying to take things forward. if you were a tory, i suppose maybe. maybe there's still suella braverman, but when you've got 60 mps, it's going to be tremendously hard. you're going to have very few top people to pick from. there was that problem in 97 for the conservatives, but they had what, 156, 160 mps. now they're going to have 60. >> and then is some of this i mean, we're just talking in terms of percentage votes versus seats gained. is some of this stuff going to be an argument for proportional representation going forward? >> do you think 100, if you look at the green and reform tallies here, quick mathematics . so here, quick mathematics. so forgive me if i'm not entirely correct in terms of vote share, 26% between them in terms of mps

22. so i think it's around 3% of mps for 26% of the vote. that is ridiculous. and the idea that the lib dems, with 5% less than reform will be the opposition. i don't think that's really admissible. >> there's going to be a millions upon millions of people in this country after this election who feel that they are unrepresented in westminster, and the system is totally unfair on them. i think the pressure is going to be overwhelming quite sooi'i. 500“. >> soon. >> but didn't we have that before, though? wasn't it 2015? was it your political knowledge, your history? knowledge is better than mine. was it 2015 with ukip where they got millions , of sorry. and just millions, of sorry. and just that defection from douglas carswell, then people would have thought then that there was disenfranchised, disconnected and unrepresented. then so why didn't it happen then? >> at that point, the conservative party weren't on the brink of a historic wipe—out. you know, i think to erin's point, this is a historic moment . we should be under no moment. we should be under no illusions about what's happening in this country. there is a total, repudiation of the conservative party by the

british electorate, the likes of which we haven't seen before. i think that you should judge a party on their record. they've beenin party on their record. they've been in power for 14 years. i think that if you say that you're going to bring migration down to tens of thousands, and you do that time after time after time, manifesto after manifesto, and then you do the total opposite, the idea that people won't feel betrayed by thatis people won't feel betrayed by that is fanciful. and i think the country needs real change. and i think this poll tells us that we have a real opportunity to reform, excuse the pun, the centre right of politics in this country. >> and i'm sure isn't it? tonight is the deadline or something to get your photo id if you've not already got that, if you've not already got that, if you're someone that says, oh, well, i want to vote, but now i need this id, you can still get that. by the way, i will come to on immigration in a second after the break, because i know it's such a hot topic for many of you at home as well. but in terms of this gamble gate, i mean, there was a suggestion today from mel stride that actually you could even explore banning mps from gambling politically altogether. i mean, is that really the level

that we've come to? >> i think you probably have to have a very clear red line that might be unfair in a way. i personally don't see a problem with somebody betting on themselves winning. i think what happened with kevin craig and her gb news favourite, i know, i couldn't believe i'm telling you how. >> now. >> i could not believe it when i heard that breaking news. it pncked heard that breaking news. it pricked my ears up. well, then i saw that name. i was like, goodness gracious. >> he voted on himself losing. i think that's very, very bad because you're then creating incentives to not actually try your best as a candidate. but i think you need a very clear red line. i think if you're standing for public office as a councillor, as an mp, whatever, as a mayoral candidate, i think you should be prohibited from placing any kind of bets on a political on a political nomination or race. >> do you agree with that? >> do you agree with that? >> i think it is a sign of the times and utterly ridiculous that we even have to be having this conversation again. i think most people at home would understand that if you're running for office and you start placing bets on the outcome of an election, i.e. something you can directly influence, that is just wrong. yes, we probably should have a law against it. that would be my personal view.

but again, i think it's an absolute indictment. what? well, absolute indictment. what? well, a law against, for example, if you're a candidate or if you're a politician, betting on on outcomes that you have some influence over. >> so just political, you wouldn't go, you wouldn't start saying people can't put a fiver on the grand national or anything like that. >> no, i think look, my experience of this country having been born and raised here is that british people on the whole, are pretty wise, pretty smart people, and we should largely leave them alone unless absolutely necessary. i don't think we should be taking away all our pledges from mps, no matter how people feel. but again, it just comes back to where are we with ethics in the political system inside westminster at the moment? if you just zoom out for a minute, if this was something in a in a bbc tv show, you know, a drama, i think the script would get rejected because it's so absurd that you'd say there's absolutely no way if this was in the thick of it, you'd say, this would really be pushing it. the fact that we're now talking about 15 people and that could also go up again, i think that the country needs change. this is a symptom of really the corrupt culture that we have in

westminster. now. >> do you agree with that, i can feel perhaps many of you will be nodding your head, and if you do agree with that, is it enough to stop you going out and voting, then are you still going to participate in the next general election or not? lots coming your way after the break. not least. immigration is a hot topic. do you think it's going topic. do you think it's going to be as simple as us smashing the gangs and creating returns, deals or not? i'll see you in two.

>> hello, everyone. i'm michelle dewberry. i'm with you till 7:00 tonight. alongside with my panel tonight. alongside with my panel. dear yusuf, who is the entrepreneur and reform uk donon entrepreneur and reform uk donor, and aaron bastani, the co—founder of novara media, look, someone here says i don't mind politicians betting on politics as long as they don't have prior knowledge of the result. that's kind of missing the point, though, isn't it?

because if you're running for office and you know that you could do a terrible job, let's just say or not even really bother campaigning, you might be able to affect that outcome. do you not think, bernard says michel, i think that people will be surprised on election day for the support for reform. he says their popularity has been dumbed down by pollsters and the mainstream media. he says, keep your thoughts coming in. but i've got to say, a huge issue dominating lots of the conversation in this election is migration, labour, they've been accused of having what i would call well, i'd directly quote actually a broken moral compass. this is afterjonathan ashworth, this is after jonathan ashworth, was talking, i would say a little bit of nonsense, actually, when it comes to labour's immigration policy, let's take a listen. >> most asylum seekers, according to official figures, come from afghanistan and iran . come from afghanistan and iran. you're not suggesting to voters that you'll get a returns agreement with the taliban and with the iranian regime? well, we're talking about people that we've got people coming from albania, from india, from

bangladesh, just literally ignored the two countries where most asylum seekers come from. yeah. you're not going to get a return agreement. >> is india, bangladesh, albania. and you still ignoring afghanistan and iran? >> are you saying you're going to get returns agreements with those two countries? >> well, you look at each one on its merits. obviously >> i mean, come on now . >> i mean, come on now. absolutely ridiculous. you said that one of the reasons you have decided to donate to reform is their stance on things like immigration, when you hear the labour party, they've got this plan and it's all about smashing gangs, creating written agreements and all the rest. and i would say that jonathan just didn't answer the question because he couldn't, because he must know when he looks in the mirror that standing there and talking about, yeah, i'm going to do this really awesome deal with the taliban, he must know that. that is absurd and probably not going to happen, do you honestly think that any party can stop these boat crossings now? >> well, yeah. as somebody who's built a business, i believe that most of these problems that i see in the political arena are

actually problems of , of bold actually problems of, of bold leadership and a lack of courage from political leaders. you know, we have an amazing royal navy, we who carry out humanitarian operations all over the world. we are paying half £1 billion to france to in exchange for them stopping these boats. they're completely stopping. they're completely stopping. they're obviously not doing that. my view is that what reforms policy, i think reforms policies, it makes a lot of sense. essentially it says we will use our navy to take the, the illegal migrants who are coming here in boats back to france, which is clearly is a safe country. and we will do that in a safe way for their own safety. and i think that the fact that we haven't done that and we've done all sorts of other things other than do that is the fundamental problem here, i know. >> but ben habib, i mean, is he, i don't know, his role now in reform. i don't know if he's the deputy leader or whatever. leaden deputy leader or whatever. leader. yeah. so he got into hot water because when he was questioned on this policy before, quite recently,

actually, the hearse was putting to him. would you just let people drown in the channel? and he got a lot of criticism because that was what the suggestion was about. reform's policy is that the policy i would not have donated money to reform if that was. >> what if that was their policy? that is not their policy. the policy would be to in a safe manner , which our navy in a safe manner, which our navy is more than capable of doing. and as demonstrated at that time and time again, taking them back to france. essentially, we need a deterrent, right? >> we need francis ngannou let you do that. >> well, the reality is we have to. so firstly, the legal advice that the reform party has received from well qualified lawyers is that international treaties allow us to do that . treaties allow us to do that. might we then have a pretty challenging conversation with france about that? probably. what else are we going to have a challenging conversation with france about, other than maintaining our sovereignty and the integrity of our border? erin on the case of iran, i think we should end sanctions on the iranian government, and i think we should try and normalise relations as best as possible. >> iran, i'm half iranian, is a

fabulous country, fabulous people, highly educated people, amazing natural resources. it should be an extraordinary success story. now, part of its failure and the fact it's not is down to the regime. of course, part of it is about the sanctions, and i find it bizarre. i say this almost every week i come on, that we have sanctions designed to destroy the iranian economy. that's the point of those sanctions. and then we're upset when people leave the country. so i think in the case of iranians, the first thing you should do is at least try to create an element of economic normality with that country. i understand that's complex, but it's a big part of that. and with afghanistan and the taliban, i obviously don't think we should be returning people there. no, i do think we should have a diplomatic presence there, though, and i think we should be trying again to. >> so hang on, let me just work towards that place becoming a more normal country. >> it's a supremely dysfunctional, abnormal country right now. but one day it might not be. >> you said that you don't think that we should be engaging with returns to afghanistan. why not? >> well, i think it's a supremely unsafe place for many people, particularly women, particularly minorities. hazara

for instance. there is ethnic cleansing there, very well documented , i think, you know, documented, i think, you know, you would struggle to find many countries actually worse than afghanistan with regards to. >> so are you saying that we should accept the majority population of afghanistan then? >> not necessarily. look, you've got a suite of options there. you might say you do a deal with neighbouring countries. for instance, persian speaking afghans can integrate very well into iranian society. you might choose to do that. or in pakistan, right. you can create economic incentives for that . economic incentives for that. europe as a whole might wish to do that. i'm not suggesting it's one or the other. what i am saying is that afghanistan for many people is a very unsafe country. i'm personally in touch with an afghan woman presently living in pakistan. she's an academic. she's a feminist. i don't think afghanistan is a very safe place for her. that's what she says to me. she doesn't want to live in afghanistan. she was in pakistan. she was happy in pakistan. pakistan's presently in the process of getting rid of afghan, migrants in that country. so i don't think it's an either or. i think you can create. >> but we need to be realistic,

though, don't we? because most people are getting on these boats. they're not the kind of females that you're describing. who, by the way, are not disputing what you're saying. i personally would not like to be a woman in afghanistan, thank you very much. but that's not who's getting on these boats. primarily, it's young men that think afghanistan is so awful that they're willing to leave all their family there. >> well, that's that's for the home office to, to adjudicate. but what i would say is there are men who are hazara. there may be men who are homosexual, there may be men who, aren't muslim. they've maybe converted and you might say, well, that's not many people. i mean, we can again have that conversation, but there will there will be men who come to this country who are genuine asylum seekers, many men who are genuine asylum seekers and who genuinely should not be sent back to afghanistan. now we have a range of options. you mentioned france, maybe iran , mentioned france, maybe iran, maybe pakistan, but i think sending people back who say my life is in danger if i go back and they have good reason to demonstrate that, i think it's very dangerous to send them back to somewhere like kabul. >> but you will say, for example, and you just did say that if someone is, for example,

homosexual, then they are at risk because of the taliban. i don't dispute that by the way. but then you open the door. they're into all kinds of people just saying, you know what? i'm gay and i can't go back. what's the home office going to do? they're not going to follow them to their bedrooms to check what's going on, are they? so therefore that then becomes a massively abused excuse. >> well, like i say, you've got a suite of options and i think afghanistan is probably the country where this is somewhere i would absolutely draw that red line. so in the case of, for instance, iran, i think you've got you can have more ambiguity there. but with regards to the taliban, look, we don't even have a diplomatic presence in the country right now. and by the country right now. and by the way, very quickly, the labour right fascinate me because 18 months ago you had labour mps saying that we shouldn't be leaving the country. we should still have a military presence there. it's still so evil. we shouldn't be going. even if the americans are pulling out, we shouldn't pull out. so they were willing for uk service personnel to die in a pointless war in afghanistan. but now they're saying it's so safe. maybe we can send people back there. which one is it? personally, i think afghanistan is a very unsafe, not

particularly nice or pleasant country for many people. >> may i, may i just say you may come. so look, i respect your opinions, aaron, and you're clearly very educated on those parts of the world. but look, the reality is this is a british general election. you know, we should be talking about what's best for british people of all religions and races. let's also be really clear. those of us who do care about the humanitarian plight, about of the people crossing the channel, over 200 of them have died, have perished making that journey, and they are being smuggled by illegal gangs. the thing we have to focus on is stopping those boats from coming. and i think a lot of this debate, we conflate two things. the first debate, well, the first thing we need to do is secure our border. if you do not secure our border. if you do not secure your border and these boats just keep coming as they have for year after year after yearin have for year after year after year in ever greater numbers, then your actual immigration policy is actually irrelevant. the second, once we have done that, then we can have an asylum system and then we can decide , system and then we can decide, look, there's 90 million people in the world, according to the un, who are permanently displaced from their homes. as much as we'd love to be able to take all of them, obviously we can't do it. so we have to have

a coherent policy of legal migration, which has also been far too high. so that's why i think that's why i think reform's policy makes so much sense, because i understand all of those concerns about returning people to those countries, taking them to france, france is a safe country. that is quite clear. and that's why reform's policy makes sense. we have to secure our borders as a first step. >> there are many people, will push back against reform's policies, and many people will say that they are racist. for example, now you yourself, you are from an immigrant family. when people are saying to you that the essentially the policies that you're supporting are racist, how do you respond to that? >> well, look, my response is, l, >> well, look, my response is, i, i'm muslim. i obviously don't have white skin, so i actually know what islamophobia looks like. i know what racism actually looks like. i know nigel personally. i've also started a successful business and sold it so i've become a reasonably good judge of character. it's my sincere opinion that nigel farage is somebody who cares deeply about the future of the country and wants what's best for british

people of all religions and races. and you can see that, by the way, if you actually look at reform support and i've had a huge number of people reach out to me since, you know, the announcement of my donation came out, people of all races and all religions are saying we agree with reform's policies. and so look, too often when we try to talk about these really big challenges that we face as a country, the political discourse descends into name calling. so there's absolutely no way. and again , as someone who's built again, as someone who's built a business, if you're unable to even look the problem in the eye, if you're unable to even have difficult conversations, you stand no chance of successfully solving the problem. >> and border protection and enforcement of your borders is government 101. i am going to ask both of you this. why do you think that the government is just refusing to do that, a lack of courage. >> what do you think it is ? >> what do you think it is? >> what do you think it is? >> there's a part of me that thinks that actually the conservatives haven't tried to address this problem because for address this problem because for a long time, until nigel farage farage was back on the pitch migration being a high salience

issue two, three years ago, they felt played well for them politically. and i think actually they've created the conditions for a catastrophe for their own party, i was listening to alastair campbell. he was speaking. it was on this channel actually, earlier on today. promoting his book or something. and he, was speaking out today. let's take a listen. >> i think your star here, mr farage, has not been subject to any real scrutiny of policy, i think i don't think he's i don't think i don't think he's i don't think he'd sustain a real press conference on policy because he comes up with numbers that don't add up. he comes up with, he promises, he admits that. but that's what's wrong with our politics. yeah. you can't stand for election. and say, i'm saying these things, but i know they don't add up as well. >> you know what? i'm going to ask the, his thoughts on that after the break. tell me yours. in the meantime,

hello there. i'm michelle dewberry, and i'm with you till 7:00. zia yousef, the entrepreneur and reform uk donor alongside me is aziz aaron bastani, the co—founder of novara media. let me just play you a clip i showed you just before the break. >> look, i think your star here, mr farage, has not been subject to any real scrutiny of policy, i think i don't think he's. i don't think he'd sustain a real press conference on policy because he comes up with numbers that don't add up. he comes up with, he promises, he admits that. but that's what's wrong with our politics. yeah. you can't stand for election. and say, i'm saying these things, but i know they don't add up as what's your response to that , sir? >> well, look, my response is the notion that nigel farage has not been subjected to scrutiny in this election is laughable. i mean, he's had significant press coverage. he's obviously an amazing campaigner. if you actually go and i'd really recommend people at home to do so with an open mind, go and look at reforms, contract with the people. these are common sense policies that resonate with voters in this country. and

on the most important issues that we are talking about now, the issues which frankly, if we do not get them in order, may end up being unassailable challenges over the next decade. so they're incredibly urgent reforms, policies actually make more sense than any of the other parties. >> do you think their policies specifically get enough scrutiny ? >> well, 7- >> well, in 7 >> well, in terms of the manifesto, i don't know, or the contract in terms of nigel farage, i sort of see where alastair campbell's coming from and it infuriates me because the terrain where nigel farage is most adept is migration, patriotism and for some reason, liberal journalists only grill him on the stuff where he's most in tune with the country. no, ask nigel why, when there was the budget, the kamikwasi budget, ask him why it was the best budget this country had seen since the 1980s. ask him why. very rarely that you see that. so i actually there are some things, by the way, in the reform manifesto, i agree with scrapping student loan interest. for instance, i would love to see more of that. but strangely,

this country's journalists are obsessed with talking to nigel farage about the things where he's very , very popular. he's very, very popular. >> why? >> why? >> well, because they disagree with him , right? because they with him, right? because they disagree with him on migration. they are obsessed with talking about it. and yet actually, it's almost like it's like it's like, imagine if jeremy corbyn was on tv all the time, and the only thing journalists would talk to him about is food banks. everybody watching will agree with jeremy corbyn on food banks. talk to him about his achilles heel. and i think for me, what i've noticed actually in this campaign, it's been very short, is that farage has made two commitments which aren't in the manifesto. one is scrapping the manifesto. one is scrapping the two child benefit cap, another was scrapping tuition fees for people studying stem subjects . again, by the way, subjects. again, by the way, both very, very popular. he is very much in tune with the centre of this country, but that's not in the contract's manifesto. so i would have a question for nigel, who writes the policy in this party and who's doing the numbers, because you've made two big policies up on the fly there, and that doesn't matter now. but it does matter when you have 18 mps, is he making policies up on the

fly? >> well, look, i think that statement there that it doesn't matter now. it will matter should this comes to pass . and should this comes to pass. and we have reform has 18 mps. right. and that's pretty much exactly what nigel farage has been saying. i mean, look at the infrastructure that reform has. it's got some it obviously has nowhere like nowhere near the number of for example, employees that for example, the labour and conservative party have. nevertheless, people like richard tice is a very successful entrepreneur. other people that i'm aware of have inputted into the policy, into the contract with the people are very, very successful business people. they have had to make decisions in the real world. they've had to think about second and third order effects, and they've had to balance budgets, because if they didn't, their business would fail. that is something that very few people who make policy, i can tell you in westminster, can say. so i have i have huge amounts of confidence that actually not only would reform deliver on those policies that are popular, including, for example , cutting income tax. so example, cutting income tax. so essentially eliminating income tax for people who earn below £20,000 a year, eliminating

income tax for people like me. >> but people are saying that that cash that those promises don't stack up because who wouldn't want who wouldn't want a threshold of 20 grand? you've got whether or not it is different, the equation. >> i mean, if you look at kwasi kwartengs budget, i mean, you can have the discussion about timing and things, but there are a lot of tax cuts in there which might appeal to a lot of the country. yeah. but essentially there were no difficult decisions being made on spending and what i can see in the reform parties, there's real appetite and ability to actually ensure that all british taxpayers get a lot more value for what they're spending. and we've looked at the nhs, we spend more money on it as a country now than we ever have before, with worse ever outcomes. we waiting lists are at all time highs, avoidable mortality rates and look them up online. we are way, way at the bottom compared to other developed countries. we need better value for the money that we're spending. and that again is a big reason why i support the reform party. >> so do you think that the sums do add up? >> i don't think the sums add up for any party. i've read all the manifestos. i'd be quite frank.

maybe the lib dems, because they're not talking about very much. labour's certainly don't add up. the ifs said this by the way. the conservative party's don't add up. so no they don't. the question is what are you going to do. and look, let's be real reform aren't going to be the party of government. labour are. and there could be, i think are. and there could be, i think a few surprises on capital gains tax, maybe council tax reform. >> well yeah, because i think they were saying about a conspiracy of silence between both labour and tory about what exactly they are indeed planning to do when it comes to tax. you tell me there's a whole plethora of manifestos contracts out there. do you think anyone sums add up actually in this election? and do you care? are you sitting there going, you know what all of these beans need to be counted correctly and accurately, or do you actually care more that someone shares your vision, your sentiment, and wants the country to perhaps? look, i don't know in a way that you would like it to look as well, whether that's lower taxes, lower immigration, higher immigration, whatever it is that you want, talk to me, also let me ask you about wealth tax. do you think the wealthy should be taxed more? something tells me that these two will disagree. says you.

hi there. i'm michelle dewberry. i'm with you till 7:00. ceo yousef, the entrepreneur and reform uk donor, is alongside me, as is aaron bastani, the co—founder of novara media. let me ask you this. i just want to cut straight to the chase here. do you think that we should have a wealth tax on the ultra rich or not? >> sir, i'm in favour of practical policies and when it comes to tax, i think we should. >> it's doubly important for something to be practical. billionaires have large teams of accountants. they're the most mobile people in the world. the evidence from the oecd suggests that countries that have implemented wealth tax have generally raised that much money, because you have changes in behaviour. so unless there was total 100% global coordination of every country in the world that a billionaire would want to move to, which i would want to move to, which i would say has a probability of precisely zero, it would be

pointless. >> all right. i'd increase capital gains tax. i just edged up slightly. i mean, there are some forms of wealth which aren't liquid. you can't move them, i.e. big houses. maybe that would work. but generally speaking, i think that's right. the greens are going big on a wealth tax. my personal view is i think a capital gains tax increase. i know we have a bit of a tension there. >> what would you do with it? >> what would you do with it? >> well, i think in an ideal world you would equalise tax on wealth and on assets. but what that probably means in reality is you'd reduce income tax and you'd increase cgt. and actually i think lots of people would agree with that. do you agree with that? >> i honestly just think these are discussions, the amount of money that such a move would make, even if i would say it would be a good policy, is so small compared to the big challenges that this country actually has, and i think we really should be talking about, as i said, the problems where if we don't get these things right over the next 5 to 10 years, the country will go to a very, very bad place. >> i do find this whole what i would describe as politics of envy. so much of that goes on in this election campaign. don't

get me started on the labour plans when it comes to the vat on private schools. you don't want to send me over the edge when i'm almost time to get off the screens. ladies and gents. anyway, look at doctor who. you've got to bear with me on this is a strange story, doctor who? david tennant, he basically, if you ask me anyway, suggested that kemi badenoch should essentially die. then realise what he said and rode back on it. watch that. >> acknowledging that everyone has the right to be who they want to be and live their life how they want to live it as long as they're not hurting anyone else, should merit any kind of special award or special special mention because it's common sense, isn't it? we shouldn't live in a world where that is worth remarking on. however, until we wake up and kemi badenoch does not exist anymore . badenoch does not exist anymore. i don't wish ill of her. i just wish her to shut up . wish her to shut up. >> well, i don't know if your ears work differently to mine, but when i hear someone saying,

you know, i wish i could wake up and so and so doesn't exist anymore, well, the only way that anyone could not exist anymore is to have died, isn't it? am i missing something? the fact that people cheer, that i think it's absolutely disgraceful. what do you think, aron bastani? >> i think it's just a turn of phrase. i think you're being a bit unfair on him. look, i believe in free speech, and that means. yeah, and that means people can say things that you disagree with. i mean, look, i personally wouldn't wish ill of anybody. i try to be a good christian in that regard. michel >> do you what do you think to those comments? is it all just being a storm in a teacup? >> i think somebody with the profile and influence of david tennant calling for a senior politician or any politician in this country to disappear, let alone shut up, is appalling . and alone shut up, is appalling. and i think he should apologise. i'd also actually say yes, people should be able to say what they think , but they should be able think, but they should be able to say what they think without being told to shut up. you know, we have to be able to talk about problems. mr tennant is perfectly entitled to have completely opposite views politically, to miss badenoch .

politically, to miss badenoch. but i think this kind of discourse, particularly from somebody who has his fame, is not on. i think he should apologise. >> and let's not forget everyone. now, what is the crime, apparently that kemi badenoch has, committed. that means that she should shut up and go away. if you ask me, it's essentially that she just thinks that, biological reality actually matters, and that women and girls should be entitled to safe single—sex spaces. i mean, how on earth that has even become vaguely controversial, is a reflection of how much of a clown world we seem to be existing in. anyway. look, rishi sunak has spoken out. he says it's a freedom of speech is the most powerful feature of our democracy. if you're calling for women to shut up and wishing that you wishing that they didn't exist, you are the problem. kim kemi badenoch as well. she responded on twitter or x, whatever we call it these days, she says, i will not shut up and i will not be silenced by men who prioritise. applause from stonewall over the safety of women and children, what?

what do you actually think to this whole situation? do you think it's been overhyped? do you think there's something in this? one of the, concerns. and people are so divided on this because some people will say this whole trans conversation, you know, it's a really small minor issue. other people will say, actually, this whole notion about women and children having safe spaces and biological reality is really, really important to you. it will divide people. i'm sure , through to the people. i'm sure, through to the general election and beyond. look that's all i've got time for tonight. i've had a few people get in touch and say, you should be the prime minister you've had that before on this program as well. and i think i've even had it, too. there you go. we could all be. do us. yeah.in go. we could all be. do us. yeah. in your fantasy, prime minister list, perhaps you could have choose any. you can have any of your pick. we don't mind anyway. look, thank you very much to both of you tonight for your company. thank you. at home. do not go anywhere, though . camilla tominey. the award winner is up next. i'll see you tomorrow night.

>> a brighter outlook with boxt solar , sponsors of weather on gb news. >> hello and welcome to the latest update from the met office for gb news. following another hot day. for many, its warm overnight but cooler air is on the way and windier weather this unseasonably deep low pressure arriving for thursday and friday. that's going to bnng and friday. that's going to bring some unseasonable strong winds to western scotland and northern ireland. now it's not been hot everywhere during wednesday, but for much of central and southeastern england, it has been another very warm or hot one. and it's going to stay warm in these areas overnight. despite the clear spells 17 celsius further west and north, we've got showery rain moving in cloud and an increased breeze. so by dawn much more unsettled. across parts of western scotland, northern ireland, the winds picking up strength through the

morning bands of rain moving into the west coast. we've also got some heavy showers pushing through the northern isles. perhaps the odd rumble of thunder, brighter skies for much of the rest of scotland. feeling cooler here and for much of northern and western england . northern and western england. wales cloudier conditions to begin. things although the rain on the weather front that is making the change tending to peter out and really it's just a band of cloud and a few spots of rain as it pushes into the midlands and then by the afternoon, east anglia in the south—east as that rain arrives and as the cloud thickens, the wind changes direction. temperatures aren't going to reach the highs that we saw in the last couple of days. we're looking at closer to 2526 celsius in the east and south—east but sunshine returns by the end of the day across much of england and wales. blustery showers in the west and the north. and as i say, unseasonably windy through thursday, especially in the far north and northwest and into friday. we've still got some heavy showers moving through and some strong winds that could impact any outdoor events that

are taking place and so watch out for that into the weekend . out for that into the weekend. mixed conditions, some cloud, a bit of rain here and there, but also some sunshine. temperatures back to average . back to average. >> looks like things are heating up. boxt boilers sponsors of weather on gb news

>> and this is a gb news election special with me. camilla tominey. welcome to vote 2024. the leaders . 2024. the leaders. welcome to this special edition of vote 2024. tonight, we're going to bring you a 1 to 1

interview between the leader of the liberal democrats, sir ed davey, and gb news political editor christopher hope. we're fast approaching the one week mark till the general election last week, we interviewed sir keir starmer as part of our vote 2024 the leaders series and today we bring you sir ed davey. >> i'm not proud of every vote i made in that, and the decisions of that government . of that government. >> some regrets there, but also some confessions on election results in the past when you were an mp. >> well, very few. i've never bet on myself. well, as new polling suggests, the lib dems will become the official opposition. >> is this what we can really expect? >> i think we need a trade deal, and we need a trade deal really quickly. >> well, with me to discuss this, we will have voices from each of the three major political parties with reaction from the home secretary, james cleverly, later on. we've got a cracking show lined up tonight. but first, here's the