>> it's 9 pm. i'm patrick christys tonight. what do we want .7 want.7 >> when do we want it.7 >> when do we want it.7 >> junior doctors are back out on strike. are they killing people? and will labour be in the pocket of the unions? >> and what will you do with the illegal migrants that arrive to the uk? what will you do with them? you've had three weeks to think of an answer. what is it? >> angela rayner wants every uk town to take its fair share of illegal immigrants, plus homeless, homeless, english

people not getting housed. >> but you have immigrants that come here that are illegal and they get housed. >> are britain's youngsters shifting to the right? >> also, our trust believes all staff should feel welcome and respected at work. >> we want all staff to be able to be themselves. >> i'm joined live by nhs nurses who are being forced to have a man in their changing rooms. they're sick of it . also at my they're sick of it. also at my church and an incoming labour government , church and an incoming labour government, ukip shapps. >> tak tak tak tak. >> tak tak tak tak. >> so this election's got weird, hasn't it ? >> so this election's got weird, hasn't it? and which party will get people off welfare and back to work? oh, yes. and why have dodgy sausages landed the nhs in hot water? on my panel tonight is the former director of the centre for migration and economic prosperity and former ukip mep steven woolfe, tory peer lord bailey and journalist zoe grunwald. oh yes. and what

happens to cristiano ronaldo . happens to cristiano ronaldo. here? oh, get ready britain, here we go . here we go. will junior doctors strikes kill more people under labour. next? >> the top story from the gb newsroom tonight. the prime minister is urging voters not to surrender to labour, adding that this is a really important election where britain could make a better choice. he was speaking to gb news political editor christopher hope . rishi editor christopher hope. rishi sunak said if labour wins victory, they'll reverse all the changes he's made people to surrender to labour. >> i don't want them to surrender to their tax rises. i don't want people to surrender

our borders to labour, our welfare system, labour, our national security, to labour. right. i'm up for the fight. i want people to join me in that fight. like we should not surrender our country to this , surrender our country to this, right? we can do better. last years has not been easy. i'm not saying we've got everything right. i completely understand that. but this is really important. this election. if labour are in power, they'll have a blank check to do whatever they want. that means put up your taxes, reverse all the changes i made to get us to net zero in a sensible way. reverse all the progress we've made on illegal migration. >> rishi sunak speaking earlier. well, in other news today, the number of metropolitan police officers under investigation over allegedly placing bets on the timing of the general election has risen now to at least seven, the force saying one protection officer assigned to the prime minister was arrested last week. he's since been released on bail, but a further six officers have now been identified as having placed bets on the timing of the election, as well . one person in election, as well. one person in england has died in the ongoing

england has died in the ongoing e coli outbreak and it's linked, apparently, to salad. that's according to the uk health security agency. it comes after a recent outbreak which saw 86 people admitted to hospital. that's to according figures released last week. a number of food manufacturers forced today to recall all their products, in particular pre—made sandwiches, wraps and bags of salad sold in supermarkets and shops, over fears that lettuce could be the link to the spread of contamination . junior doctors in contamination. junior doctors in england are walking out today for the 11th time in almost a year. for the 11th time in almost a year . the five day strike year. the five day strike continued in their long running pay continued in their long running pay dispute with the government. they're asking for a 35% pay rise, which labour has said is a non—starter for them. but the doctors say more industrial action can take place over the summer if negotiations don't move forward . the mother of move forward. the mother of missing british teenager jay

slater says some of the money raised by crowdfunding will be withdrawn to help in the search for her son. the appeal so far has raised more than £36,000. the for search 19 year old jay slater has entered its 11th day after he went missing while on houdayin after he went missing while on holiday in tenerife. well, yesterday the guardia civil, the spanish police deployed helicopters above ground and sniffer dog patrols on foot in the mountainous areas of the island, where jay is believed to have gone missing . england's have gone missing. england's football squad has been training for their first knockout game against slovakia at the euros that's taking place this sunday. the three lions topped their group before getting into the knockout stages of the competition. they'll be without their midfielder , though. phil their midfielder, though. phil foden left training yesterday to return to the uk for the birth of his third child. those are the latest gb news headlines for now. i'm polly middlehurst and i'm back with more in an hour. >> see you then for the very

latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code , alerts by scanning the qr code, or go to gbnews.com. forward slash alerts . slash alerts. >> welcome along. now the junior doctors are back out on strike. it is their 11th strike. during their dispute with the tories. this one will last five days and despite them claiming it's not political, they've timed it to coincide with the general election. still, at least it's not christmas . when they also not christmas. when they also went on to strike demand a 35% pay went on to strike demand a 35% pay rise, doctor robert lawrenson, the british medical association junior doctor representative, whose linkedin page actually describes him as doctor interested in working and doing the job, said this from the picket line well, it's time for any government, anyone in power to put down their rhetoric to get round the table and actually present a credible

offer to pay restoration that doesn't have to be in one go. >> we can do that over a series of years. we're very happy to discuss a journey . discuss a journey. >> okay, well, here's some important context. the government and the bma had agreed to independent arbitration in may, but that was put on hold when the election was called and the union then called the strike. it has asked for a 35% pay rise to make up for a 35% pay rise to make up for what it says are 15 years of below inflation pay rises. junior doctors received a rise, averaging nearly 9% in the last financial year. here's what tory health minister victoria atkins said about the strikes last night. >> being in the room with the doctors repeatedly, the junior doctors repeatedly, the junior doctors committee and they walk out. we know that what they are asking for is unreasonable for the taxpayer. it will cost £3 billion. so again , how is labour billion. so again, how is labour going to fund that if they're going to fund that if they're going to fund that if they're going to meet that 35% pay rise that junior doctors are wanting?

>> and what i want to do is i threw out said to junior doctors committee, they call off these strikes, they put patients first rather than their pay. then i will get straight back round the negotiating table with them once the election is over. >> and here's what the labour party has to say to be fair to them. >> and i'm not happy about the strikes . strikes. >> i think these are unnecessary strikes in the next five days. we're so close to the general election. i wanted them to wait and give me a chance. if i'm the health secretary to sort this out, but we are where we are . out, but we are where we are. i've said that we can negotiate on pay. they've shown a willingness to move on, pay too. >> well, keir starmer and wes streeting have vowed to meet with junior doctors on day one of a labour government. yeah there we go on day one. and today this headline emerged striking doctors are confident labouris striking doctors are confident labour is listening to their pay demands. well, this comes after both starmer and rayner met with union barons of different unions. it must be said, in may

and reportedly reached an agreement with them over workers rights. what does all of that really mean, though? doctor strikes cost lives. the last one in february, saw 91,000 appointments, procedures and operations cancelled. the question is this really, isn't it ? d0 question is this really, isn't it ? do you think question is this really, isn't it? do you think a question is this really, isn't it ? do you think a labour it? do you think a labour government would stop the strikes , or would they be at the strikes, or would they be at the mercy of the unions? let's get the thoughts of my panel. this evening. i am joined by former mep and the director of the centre of migration and economic prosperity, stephen wolf. i also have tory peer lord bailey, and ihave have tory peer lord bailey, and i have got the political journalist and broadcaster zoe grunwald. stephen, i'll start with you. do you think that labour would be able to stop the junior doctors strikes ? junior doctors strikes? >> i think absolutely, because the junior doctors strike has been caused to maximise the embarrassment of the conservative party the whole intention was not really necessarily about money as a whole . it's important for them, whole. it's important for them, but it was really to be part of

that whole trade union movement, which was to help bring down the conservative government. so i would also say that there are about ten labour mps who are former doctors, maybe just being the cynic in me that some of those doctors are looking to their future . their future. >> okay. all right. interesting. sean casey, you're itching to get involved here. i'm just going to just a couple of facts on this. 1.4 million acute inpatient and outpatient appointments have now been rescheduled since strikes began in december 2022. there's you know, there's a shout to say they are now responsible for the waiting list. >> listen, there's a this is such a mess. and when the labour party talk about who's responsible for the mess, they've got to factor in the junior doctors. it's just a fact. that's what they've been doing. but there's two points to be made. one, if labour magically resolve this after the election, it will look like a very political strike. and why that's a problem. the whole of the nhs is beginning to burn through its goodwill. so currently when the nhs is in strife, it's the fault of

politicians. at some point, i think in a very near future the pubuc think in a very near future the public are actually going to talk to the nhs. this isn't the junior doctors versus the, the government. it will be the junior doctors versus the public. at some point. and wes streeting needs to be careful because if he, if he, does something outside of the independent pay review body, it could open the door to everybody. okay. >> so go on. do you think firstly that these strikes are purely political? we've got days to go before the general election . now, do you think election. now, do you think they're killing people and can labour sort it out? >> no, i don't think they're killing people. i think the underfunding and under—resourcing of the nhs over over a decade is, is killing people. way before the doctors striked, way before covid, there were serious problems with the nhs. we don't have the right number of beds. we've got a lack of capital investment, we've got the lowest real terms increases in the nhs over the past few years and we've got record level vacancies. all of these things are what are killing patients, you can talk about the timing of this particular strike. there's been 11 strikes in this

particular period. so it's not just like this is their first strike. clearly this is an ongoing dispute. they were disappointed that negotiations were cancelled at the worst times, though, if i may. i mean, christmas strikes are supposed to be inconvenient because people when one i would argue not when those strikes involve people living or dying, but but the state of the nhs is causing people to die as well, and that's the point. they need to make. >> but they are they are public servants. this isn't just a fight with the government. you know, they are public. they are pubuc know, they are public. they are public servants and they take, i have to say, this idea that the nhs is underfunded, it will always be able to spend more money. but you have to be clear, we give it £180 billion. i will be stunned . any government finds be stunned. any government finds more money. >> absolutely. and when you've got to factor in also the rise in immigration, the population has risen by 10 million, 3 million in the past ten years. so it doesn't matter how much the government is pumping into that. when you start pumping those figures out, you're not making into an effect a calculation of the rise in population and ill health coming

from others. you're just simply using it as a flat number. that's inaccurate economics and analysis. okay zoe, i think the point is that if we have a health service which is beloved by the population, we have to fund it properly and we have to look after it. >> and it's not. you're right. it's not just a matter of pumping money in. it's also a matter of reforms where necessary. it's a matter making sure that there is enough staff at the minute. staff are haemorrhaging because there aren't enough of them. they're overworked, they're underpaid, andifs overworked, they're underpaid, and it's absolutely vital. we've got an ageing population. and, you know, i take your point on immigration, actually, you know, the nhs is incredibly dependent on immigration. we have a lot of, nhs workers from overseas and they're incredibly important. and i think we really need to respect our doctors and understand not only the sacrifice they made during covid, but how hard they've worked to catch up with the tories failures. >> and they and they do work hard, but they're also paid for that. and they get very good pensions. and when we talk about the nhs and immigration, there's two things we shouldn't be quite so proud of robbing poorer nafions so proud of robbing poorer nations around the world of their best doctors and nurses. we shouldn't be so proud about that. and we also should look at

the fact is, there's 300,000 plus, vacancies in nhs. but apparently that's how many people we imported to work in the nhs. so where are those people and their families? something is seriously wrong. i fully agree with you that the nhs needs reform and has needed reform for a long time, but i really do think we're approaching the point where it's no longerjust approaching the point where it's no longer just the thought of parliamentarians. it will be the people who run the nhs who will have to answer to the public. >> i mean, i actually, for what it's worth, i did interview doctor robert lawrenson. i think outside that same hospital dunng outside that same hospital during the last round of strikes, and i did put it to him, if you got the pay rise that you're after now, would you still potentially go and leave and work in somewhere like canada or the us or australia ? canada or the us or australia? and he didn't rule it out. so i am not convinced it is all about money. it's not all about money. i think i think it's but i think it's politicians as well. >> i don't know, it's not i'm sorry. >> i really do think now that this is there is a large chunk of this that is overtly political, but it's also about conditions. >> if you have not enough staff, not enough beds, you have

problems with social care. that means older patients are trapped in beds. they can't go back into the communities. basically, the nhs is falling apart at the seams. this is in some ways it is a political strike, and the reason it's a political strike is because it's protesting the conservative government's policy choices. >> i'm sorry. the reason is i do, i do accept there is a political strike. there's some. but but my point is right, if this nhs is struggling, what are they spending our money on? why do we have diversity offers and that's coming from a guy who's black. why are we spending hundreds of thousands of pounds on those sort of things and not spending it on frontline services? at some point, somebody in the nhs has to stop blaming it on politicians and do theirjob. their job. >> and you look theirjob. >> and you look at their job. >> and you look at the theirjob. >> and you look at the costs that are being spent across. it's not just ii, it's about the pr that's used. what about all the adverts that are being placed around hospitals and this is the point where you start looking at who's managing and running. the hospital trusts themselves. i've met several of themselves. i've met several of them decent, lovely people, but at the end of the day, are they really effectively running those hospitals? no then we've got to

look at the analysis of the costs of medicine. how are we deaung costs of medicine. how are we dealing with the pharmaceutical companies who seem to have a control over many parts of the budget? it isn't just about the government alone. it is simply also about the people running it and managing it. and your point about them leaving is very accurate. they will still leave because they can make much more money in america and have a better lifestyle a lot of the time, but it's very difficult for to us compete with bondi beach. >> but we could address that the way in which we play all of our civil servants is there's a movement now, a conversation to say a lot of the value of our civil servants is locked in their pensions. maybe we could look at paying them more so more up front, more in their salaries and less in their pension. so same overall cost. but greater benefit to them earlier. okay. >> so let's just just to round off this chat then do we think or go down the line on this. do we think there will be more or less strikes in the nhs under labour? >> i think there will be less initially, but when labour is unable to achieve what they want, they might come back towards the end.

>> okay. that's correct sadiq khan promised no strikes and he became mayor of london because it was his union friends. it now turns out that he has a record level of strikes because he couldn't satisfy them. and keir starmer will not way to satisfy junior doctors. >> so what do you think? >> so what do you think? >> i think there'll be less strikes because i think labour's are genuinely in a better position to make a deal with junior doctors, and i think they care about the nhs. >> and you think you think that really that is going to we're probably going to get somewhere near the 35. >> i don't know, i don't know what the percentage will be. but it's not just about pay, it's also about conditions. >> that's how they'll fudge it. thatis >> that's how they'll fudge it. that is how they will fudge it. let's be clear, those doctors said if they don't get £0.35, the government control on 35. if labour don't offer that. it's been political and it's a fudge. >> okay. well, hey, i'll tell you what. electric start tonight. i've really enjoyed this. thank you very much. great stuff. and it's a colourful panel as well. it's all blending in very, very well with the with the new set that we've got still to come as lefty actors sign a letter supporting keir starmer will luvvies for labour have an effect on the polls? top political journalist and

commentator theo usherwood. he joins me shortly . plus, what do joins me shortly. plus, what do you think happens next here to cristiano ronaldo ? cristiano ronaldo? >> oh yeah. sorry. i think we might have got a sneak peak there anyway. >> but up next, as sunak and starmer clash over the welfare state, which leader do you trust more to get brits off benefits ? more to get brits off benefits? former adviser to michael gove, charlie rowley goes head to head with former editor of labourlist, peter edwards. stay tuned

welcome back to patrick christys tonight. now. coming up, are we speaking to theo usherwood, the political commentator , about political commentator, about whether the arts luvvies who sign a letter supporting sir keir starmer will actually do more harm than good to the labour leader. but first, which leader do you trust more to get brits off benefits? it's a big issue . this. it costs us all issue. this. it costs us all a heck of a lot of money and it's time to go head to head. yes. so at last night's leadership debate, sir keir starmer and prime minister rishi sunak , they prime minister rishi sunak, they clashed over who could get a grip of the country's welfare state. sunak put forward this solution . solution. >> you've got to make it clear that people who can work should work. that means looking at all the gateways we have and actually being more rigorous about asking people to provide medical information when they're making these claims. reforming

the sicknote process , being the sicknote process, being stricter about saying to people who don't accept a job after 12 months that that's not okay. those are all the practical things that i've set out. i think that's fair. now, keir starmer can stand here tonight and say what he wants when i made that speech, and you can all go and read it and see what they said. they opposed every single measure. >> okay. so he's taking the let's clamp down approach. i think that's fair to say. this is what sir keir starmer had to say. >> we have to tackle these terrible waiting lists because nearly 8 million people are on the waiting list. and so it's not their fault that they can't get back into work. it's the fault of the government that's put us in this terrible position. >> so tonight i am asking, who do you trust more to get brits off benefits? let me know your thoughts. now go to gbnews.com/yoursay. but first, going head to head on. this is former adviser to michael gove, is charlie rowley and the former editor of labourlist , peter editor of labourlist, peter edwards shapps. thank you very much. great to have you in the show. charlie i'll start with

you. rishi sunak is saying, let's get tough on them. the tories have had 14 years to get tough. i think there was £11 billion of benefits fraud in the last couple of years. >> oh well. >> oh well. >> and so therefore more work needs to be done. so when you have the prime minister saying that there is still more work to be done and there's a plan in place to make sure that people that don't accept jobs after 12 months, they should accept those jobs where, yes , sir keir, to jobs where, yes, sir keir, to his credit, is right to say you've got to get the waiting list down. but the reason why waiting lists are up is because of covid. a lot of that is to do with covid. a lot of it is to do with covid. a lot of it is to do with doctor strikes as well, where people can't get the appointments, where they can't get the medical information that they need in order to get back to work. >> okay, peter, i put it to you that sir keir starmer there, not only does he believe that everybody who comes across the channelis everybody who comes across the channel is a genuine economic migrant or genuine asylum seeker, i should say, but also he believes that everyone who signed off sick is genuinely sick and deserves to be paid well. >> i think you're lumping together quite different things. i mean, you've got to keep reminding viewers that keir starmer was a prosecutor and he prosecuted criminal gangs, so i think he's one of the least naive and one of the more

worldly, wise people to run for the office of prime minister. but but let's talk about welfare or what we used to call social security. labour brought in the welfare state. we need it. but it's got bigger and bigger and bigger. and like everything in britain, the question is how we pay britain, the question is how we pay for it. there's reams of stats i could give you often going in the wrong direction, but i'll give you one stat, which is the number of people receiving sickness benefit has gone up by a million in about five years, and i find it very. are they on the take some of those people? no, i wouldn't say that at all. there's clearly fraud in the social security system just like there's fraud in many aspects of the economy. but we've got to keep that in proportion. so i don't believe that there is a mass of people on the take. but any, any, you know, we're we're all taxpayers. anyone who, pays tax wants to see their money used properly. but briefly rishi sunak saying the benefit system is in a mess and he's going to sort it out. but they've been in office for 14 years. >> okay. all right. i mean sir keir starmer there saying, all right, look we've got to get these nhs waiting lists down. once we get those people fit and

healthy again, they will go back out to work. i'm just not sure that chimes with the attitude mentally that we're seeing with a lot of 18 to 25 year olds, especially vast numbers of them are on benefits and they can't all be off sick, surely. >> and no. and that's why you need someone who has got a plan to actually come in and deal with the situation. and what you see when you hear from sir keir starmer. time and time again, when he says, yes, we've got to get the waiting list down. yes, we've got to get people back to work. but how do you do that? he will say that he'll just negotiate with the doctors to make sure that they get back, so that they call off their strikes. well, you know, the unions are currently negotiating with this government and no one is going to accept a 35% pay increase by the one union. the junior doctors who keep refusing to accept a deal, everyone else in the nhs has been able to do so. so, you know, the tories have made a lot of work and a lot of progress in that particular area, but it is absolutely the case that if you are in receipt of a benefit, it should be going to people who needit should be going to people who need it the most. rishi sunak created the furlough scheme for goodness sake. during covid to protect people's lives and livelihoods. so he knows what it's like to obviously help and

protect people that need it the most. but where people are cheating the system, where people are claiming where they don't need to, where they can be fit and healthy, to go back to work, where there are opportunities in jobs for people to take and they refuse to do so. that is something that the conservatives will be looking at as as rishi announced last night and labour voted it down. yeah >> well, indeed. i mean, that is a difficult thing for sir keir starmer to get around, isn't it? he has opposed rishi sunaks reforms to the welfare system, which last night he seemed to be saying well actually, yeah, we do need to do some of these things. >> i think we're all against social security fraud. there's no one in favour of it apart from the fraudsters themselves. i must i must push charlie always very affable, but he didn't have any statistics to support what he was saying about the benefits. bill i, i want to talk briefly about the economy because, we all know we need to tackle fraud and you have to kind of invest in civil servants and the police to do that. so that involves spending money. but we also need to grow the economy because the benefits bill is rising and rising,

particularly for, sickness related benefits. that's forecast to rise to £90 billion a year by the end of the decade. we need to grow the economy. >> of course, that's to pay for those people, as opposed to saying to those people, if you can work, you really need to get back into work. and it is something that a lot of people, when i talk to ordinary people out there on the street, yes, as you would imagine, immigration is a big topic and all of that stuff. but but especially people of a certain generation, they feel incredibly hard done by now that you've got people signing off who do not want to do a day's work and that is a big problem for people. and rishi sunak saying, if you are off for 12 months and you turn down two job offers, i think he's saying now will basically cut you off, is that fair enough? >> well, i think it depends on the circumstances. if someone's say, got a professional qualification and then you try and push them into the wrong role in the sense of, to, to appease the right wing vote or to appease certain newspapers or

to appease certain newspapers or to get them off the, to get them off the benefits, to get them off the benefits, to get them off the benefits, to get them off the taxpayer's bill, isn't it, though ? yeah, that's it, though? yeah, that's important. but you also need to preserve dignity and put people in the roles for which they've got skills. and i worry that tories saying this in the final throes of their general election, what could be the death throes of their time in office? it's just how tough can you talk and i've run a small company, outside politics, and you need to support people back to work, not just chomping at the bit for ever tougher measures. measures on social security and immigration. okay. >> do you i mean , i suspect i >> do you i mean, i suspect i might know your answer to this, but do you think that the welfare bill will go up under keir starmer because the argument is essentially that? i mean, it's already unbelievably high sickness benefit has risen to £66 billion annually, apparently under the conservatives. i mean, it can't get much higher, can it, well, you'd hope not, but i'm sure it would under labour. you're absolutely right. because those just another example that you're talking about a second ago immigration. it's about fairness in this country. that's all that brits want. they just want fairness because it's not

government's money. it's not your money. it's why it's our money. >> why can you give a reason why you think it will go up, because if you don't have a deterrent, when you talk about economic migrants that are coming to the uk that are not asylum seekers, many of which are young men that aren't, that are now rightly being deported to albania, that's a positive that the prime minister's been able to do. if you have people that come into this country when you get rid of the rwanda scheme, as labour will, you'll have many more people coming into this country claiming benefits, claiming support. that makes the bill that you're talking about go up even higher. because because labour aren't going to have rwanda, they just grab it. >> so i will just flip that on. its head and say to you, what is keir starmer's deterrent to someone who is currently too lazy to work but could smash the gangs, speed up processing, end hotel use? >> and briefly, i don't think so. 50. >> so. >> i mean, i'm talking about pete brits. i'm not talking about legal immigrants. what is the what is sir keir starmer's deterrent to someone who's my age, who just wants to sit on his backside and his nan's basement all day, and if it's related to sickness and you overhaul the capability assessment to make it quicker and also fairer, right?

assessment to make it quicker and also fairer, right ? okay. and also fairer, right? okay. all right. fair enough. well, great stuff that we've also been absolutely flying so far tonight. fantastic stuff. but who do you agree with as rishi sunak sir keir starmer clash over the welfare state? which leader do you trust more to get brits off benefits? hazel's been on on x formerly known as twitter. if people need benefits, society needs to pay them. why are we castigating the needy and the poor? look, i agree with you, hazel. it's not, though i think in the situation that we're talking about here, zoning in on the needy and the poon zoning in on the needy and the poor, i'm trying to make the point that i think there are quite a few people who maybe are taking the mick when it comes to benefits, and maybe taking genuine money and resources away from the needy and the poor. but sue me on access. i think the outcome will be the same regardless of the party sitting on the fence a bit. they're saying if you don't mind me saying if you don't mind me saying mark says neither, add nigel farage to your poll and then i'll vote. all right. well, next time maybe. but your verdict is in. we asked you on social media and you've taken part in our poll. 85% of you think that rishi sunak will do more to get brits off benefits. 15% of you said that keir

starmer would do more. coming up, british youngsters, are they rallying around reform uk of homeless, homeless english people not getting housed? >> but you have immigrants that come here that are illegal and they get housed . they get housed. >> nigel farage has been accused of having a cult like personality similar to that of jeremy corbyn. well, i'll ask the party spokesperson, ann widdecombe, to respond to all of that. but next, which tory candidate allegedly placed an £8,000 bet that he would lose in the general election? and, of course, the actors as well, an artists they're mobilising now to sign a letter of support for sir keir starmer, will luvvies for labour actually do more harm than good to the labour leader? top political journalist theo usherwood. he tackles all of that in just a moment. stay tuned

welcome back to patrick christys tonight. now very shortly, ann widdecombe is going to be on your screens on the latest reform uk rally, led by nigel farage. but first, after david tennant's outburst this week, more leading actors , artists, more leading actors, artists, directors, luvvies really aren't . they have been nailing their political colours to the mask and, well, it's not hard to guess which way they went. in a letter published in the times today, the likes of bill nighy, keeley hawes, grayson perry , keeley hawes, grayson perry, they've clamoured for a labour

government saying starmer will, quote, ensure economic stability to the creative industries can grow. so it's luvvies for labour all over again, isn't it? but do ordinary brits actually care what these celebs have to say? or will it potentially have the opposite effect for sir keir starmer? joining me now to discuss this and many more issues, as well as political journalist and commentator theo usherwood. theo, thank you very much. i wonder if luvvies for labouris much. i wonder if luvvies for labour is actually the kind of support that keir starmer wants or needs. >> you go through those names hugh bonneville, sir nicholas hytner, grayson perry, bill nighy. i can't see them cutting through in the red wall and suddenly everybody going, well, hugh bonneville is backing laboun hugh bonneville is backing labour. i'm going to go and back keir starmer. i just i can't see it. but perhaps actually it's not really necessary because the red wall by and large i think is going to go it's going to go back to labour in this election in a week's time. where i do think it's interesting is what happens after the election. keir starmer rachel reeves have made a great play on the fact that they want to see economic growth. there's going to be very little money to spare. can these individuals sprinkle some stardust, a little light bit ?

stardust, a little light bit? think back to 1997 with tony blair, gordon brown, and they were able to bring on board people like noel gallagher, oasis and kate moss and bring some of that to the labour party and trying to inject that investment. i mean , creative investment. i mean, creative industries in this country, it's worth £120 billion a year. can they encourage other private sector investors to, whether they come from abroad or within this country, to put money into those industries to get the economic growth going? and i think that's the crucial thing. keir starmer will be pleased, but i can't see them. these individuals who've signed this letter winning over wavering conservative labour voters, if i think if they were to have any effect , potentially they might effect, potentially they might be able to help. keir starmer with his middle class base. yeah, i'm thinking those who might think actually i can't really see the difference between starmer and sunak. i think i might vote green and i think i might vote green and i think if there was to have any effect in this election, the fact that these luvvies, as you

call them, patriots have come on board with labour, i think they might be able to help starmer shore up that that base of support, particularly amongst middle class voters who are struggling to see the difference between starmer and sunak. >> i look forward to the time that i'm at some kind of event and someone comes up to me and goes, you know, i wasn't sure which way to vote. and then hugh bonneville said said he was backing labour and that did it for me. but meanwhile, another jaw dropping developments in the westminster betting scandal. so tory candidate sir philip davies has allegedly gambled £8,000 on the result of his constituency, predicting that he himself will lose. sir philip was asked by the sun newspaper if he placed the bet and these quotes i must say, are absolute gold. what's it got to do with you? whether i did or didn't , i hope to win. did or didn't, i hope to win. i'm busting a gut to win. i expect to lose. in the 2005 election, i busted a gut to win. i expected to lose. i had a bet on myself to lose in 2005 election, and my bet went down the pan. theo, i mean, is he

okay here saying this is this is nobody's business apart from his. >> look, i don't carry a candle for sir philip davies. right, but we have to draw a distinction with this story. there is a very. there's a huge difference between placing an eight grand bet on your seat, where you don't actually know whether you're going to win or lose. there's a huge difference between doing that and some of the allegations made against those very close to rishi sunak, where they had extremely sensitive, privileged information about the election dates , and they're now facing dates, and they're now facing allegations that they used that information to rush off to go onune information to rush off to go online or go down the bookies and start placing bets. there's and start placing bets. there's a huge difference between what philip davies has done and what and what the allegations are against some of them, and i think perhaps if you're looking at this where this story is going, you know, i think about, you know, the difficulty rishi sunak had answering questions today, he refused to answer, insisting there was an investigation going on about whether he told craig williams the date of the election, saying

that he couldn't do that because there's an investigation to just be accurate on this. he there's no such thing. there's nothing preventing rishi sunak from saying it because no arrests have been made . so no criminal have been made. so no criminal proceedings. >> well that's it, i don't think there is a crime, is there? no. >> there's no, no, no proceedings are not active at the moment. it is perfectly within rishi sunaks gift to say to provide those details about whether he told craig williams or anybody else within his close circle the date of the election beforehand. and then you've also got liam booth—smith, his chief of staff, who's been interviewed. and i say this, this is crucial. he's interviewed as a witness by the gambling commission. there's no allegations against mr lewis and mr booth—smith whatsoever. so that's really important to say . that's really important to say. but but clearly where they're going with this, the gambling commission is about who knew what when and who told what to who and exactly when. they told that information about the election. but i do think there needs to be, because westminster has this habit of sort of becoming quite hysterical about stories and stories blowing themselves out because they

can't we seem sometimes unable to draw very clear distinctions about what we don't like, what's unpleasant, what's perhaps morally wrong and what's what. and really, i agree with you. or potentially a matter for the police , that's a gambling commission. >> that's been a big question for me over the last few days. is rumbled on, which is people say this has had massive cut through. well, has it had massive cut through because people have been signing to lead with it on the news agenda the whole time, and it is great ammunition for richard tice opponents or do real people, ordinary people actually care that much? i suppose time will tell, but we've just about got time to whiz on to, another story here because, last night there was that final showdown, wasn't it? rishi sunak sir keir starmer. they clashed over migration policies and whether labour can actually arrange returns deals with other countries. i think this was probably the more iconic clip of it. >> would you know where these people come from? >> he's not answering the question. you know where they say that iran. >> you can see syria, afghanistan. so when keir starmer says he's going to return people, is he going to sit down? are you going to sit

down with the iranian ayatollahs? are you going to try and do a deal with the taliban? it's completely nonsensical what you are saying, right? >> it's well, just to put the other side of it. >> sir keir starmer went away how to think about it. and he said this today. >> i'm not going to take lectures from rishi sunak about our borders. record numbers of people are coming here in small boats. he's lost control of our borders, literally lost control. not only of the numbers that are coming, but also who's coming. and so this is not just a border issue. it's a national security issue. it's a national security issue. the deterrent is smashing the gangs that are running this vile trade so that nobody , but vile trade so that nobody, but nobody gets into a boat to cross the channel >> okay, did rishi sunak do him a bit there? do you think so? >> i think what rishi sunak exposed and this got, this was actually done in an interview subsequent to a separate debate earlier on in the week, is that there is a fundamental problem with the current situation we find ourselves in, and keir

starmer's plan to deal with it . starmer's plan to deal with it. and that is if somebody comes to this country and they come from a country like afghanistan or syria or iran, if you are going to try and send them back , they to try and send them back, they may well very legitimately claim that they could be persecuted, tortured, even put to death . if tortured, even put to death. if you're sending somebody back to afghanistan who's travelled all this to this country, they could very well come to very serious harm, even be be put to death, as i said. and i think what keir starmer has found himself in this as he hasn't got an alternative plan to rwanda. that's clear. he doesn't want to do rwanda , but actually his own do rwanda, but actually his own plan. when you compare it against the rwanda plan, does not come across as particularly humane, because actually, if you're going to send somebody to rwanda and there is a big question mark over this, whether rwanda is a safe country, you are not necessarily going to send somebody to come where they could come to serious harm. yeah. and whereas if you are going to send somebody to their country of origin , they could country of origin, they could very well be coming out of a civil war. they could be coming out of they could have been

persecuted by the particular government of the time. and jonathan ashworth had real problems. the shadow paymaster general had real problems answering this question. and keir starmer and this is what sunak exposed in the debate. sunak's got real problems answering this particular question. >> yeah , it is interesting and i >> yeah, it is interesting and i must say i thought that was one of the best formats last night because those two blokes know what to ask each other in order to expose it in a way that , you to expose it in a way that, you know, maybe journalists don't always know or because they know the inner workings. >> obe. no. look, theo, thank you very much. always an absolute pleasure. well done tonight. that's great stuff with that right now, don't forget gb news will be live in essex on election night as michelle dewberry and myself host our exclusive coverage on the polls closing. so if you want to be a part of our live audience in essex, then just apply now. okay either by scanning the qr code on your screen or visit gbnews.com. can i just say i was in a i was in a meeting earlier on today actually, where we were

planning this and it is a proper laugh. what we've got planned. it will be great. get yourselves on the telly. there's nothing quite like just having normal people on the telly and getting your views out there. and we are going to, we are going to lay it on thick for you, so you will enjoy it, i think. but coming up, angela rayner has pledged that migrants will be evenly distributed across the country under a labour government. it's a massive statement. this should every part of the uk, quote, take its fair share. does your part already take more than its fair share? my panel will debate that at ten. but next, nigel farage is accused of having a cult like personality similar to jeremy corbyn. what do you think? plus, the reform uk candidate seemingly comes into bat for vladimir putin and i will be joined by ann widdecombe next as she sets out to defend her party. stay tuned

welcome back to patrick christys tonight. still to come . massive tonight. still to come. massive statements from angela rayner. she's promised that labour will evenly distribute migrants across the country. that's illegal migrants, by the way. so should every part of the uk really take their quotes? fair share. we'll be talking about that at ten. but first i welcome reform uk's immigration and justice spokesperson is ann widdecombe. now nigel farage held a rally in sunderland earlier today, attended by more than 1000 people, where he slammed the state of the british political landscape. >> the conservatives deserve to lose this election, but but labour don't deserve to win . i labour don't deserve to win. i know there is a silent majority of people out there that, in their hearts, feel the same way as we do. this is but the first step of a very big and a very

important journey. >> well, reform uk leaders popularity with the public. it's hard to ignore or deny, actually. is it with the support for his party seeming to rise with pretty much every poll , but with pretty much every poll, but not everyone is sure it's a good thing . thing. >> it's interesting you bring up nigel, because i think nigel is the same as jeremy corbyn in a way that he's the wrong messenger for what he's wanting to sell, and i do. i think there are some similarities there, although i imagine twitter is about to call me all sorts of names right now. >> and i will bring in ann widdecombe. now, is there a cult of personality forming around nigel farage here? >> no, i wouldn't describe it as a cult. what i would say is he's got a huge personality and he's got a huge personality and he's got charisma , which is sadly got charisma, which is sadly lacking in either sunak or certainly in starmer, who's very tedious indeed. and people were warm to that . you know, boris warm to that. you know, boris had charisma. tony blair i didn't like tony blair, but he had charisma. you know, throughout history we've had leaders with charisma. there's nothing wrong with that . and if

nothing wrong with that. and if the public wants to cheer on nigel farage, well , for years nigel farage, well, for years we've all been bleating that people no longer come out to pubuc people no longer come out to public meetings. well, they do now, don't they ? now, don't they? >> well, they are in big numbers. and nigel, i know, is, hoping to sell out the birmingham nec, i think on sunday, which would be a huge numbers if that happens of course. and i wonder, though, ann, whether or not reform has an issue just below the surface. right. which is that because you are now on the march and you've had to do that quite quickly, all right. and you've swept up a lot of people with you because you need people out there canvassing, etc. whether or not now some of the candidates and some of the canvassers are actually quite unsavoury characters. so for example, in salisbury, one of them has hit the headlines after making comments that seem to praise vladimir putin. julian malins kc told a hustings event on sunday i've actually met putin at a ten minute chat with him and he seemed very good. he's not the austrian gentleman with a moustache come alive again. the comments were particularly

controversial , as comments were particularly controversial, as apparently standing in the constituency of salisbury. yes, of course, where the novichok poisonings happened. is this a problem ? happened. is this a problem? >> well, let's distinguish first of all, between candidates and supporters. you can't . supporters. you can't. supporters are self—selecting. they roll up at campaign headquarters and they ask to distribute leaflets or whatever it is . and, you know, there's no it is. and, you know, there's no vetting process. then all any of the big parties. and unless you happen to recognise somebody and say, oh, that's a good thing or dare, i'm too not sure. you know, there is no way of deciding who comes and does that sort of donkey work or not when it comes to candidates, that's an entirely different matter. there is a vetting process which has failed in 1 or 2 cases, but also i think we should listen to people who have views that maybe we don't like, we've rather lost the habit of being able to do that. and of course, once somebody does pounce on a view, it becomes exaggerated. a free and a feeding frenzy follows.

and i think that's rather a sad development. now, as far as putin goes. and nigel didn't say anything that boris hadn't said eight years ago. and yet we know, patrick, that boris was the very first western leader to support ukraine, to get our troops helping with training, to get equipment in there. he was praised by zelenskyy . so, so praised by zelenskyy. so, so what i'm saying is there's no contradiction between supporting ukraine and holding. >> get that? no, i do get that. and one thing i will say though, anne, is that shortly before we came on air, there were clips that were put out of an undercover investigation or, i don't know, whatever you want to call it, really, which showed a man canvassing for reform who did use a racial slur to describe rishi sunak. and that's that's awful, isn't it, for reform or is it not? >> well, of course that's awful. yes. i'm not going to say that. it's not awful. but on the other

hand, what you've said is a man canvassing, you haven't said a candidate. and as i say, you know, it's very difficult to vet every individual who volunteers to help, you know, i mean, when i was helping the conservatives in the young days when i wasn't known to anybody , i used to roll known to anybody, i used to roll up at the campaign headquarters and i used to say, can i go canvassing, please? and i'd be handed canvass cards. they didn't know what i was going to say on the doorstep . say on the doorstep. >> yeah. and nigel's comments to it were actually, when are you going to report on things that the labour party have said about about drinking white, white people's tears and all of that. so but look and thank you very much for your time this evening, and i hope to talk to you again very soon. i have to read now the full list of candidates standing in salisbury. we've got matt aldridge, labour, victoria, charleston, liberal democrats, juuan charleston, liberal democrats, julian malins, reform uk, john glenn , conservative chris glenn, conservative chris harwood, climate party, barney norris green and king arthur pendragon, who is an independent, apparently. look, coming up, i'm going to be sitting down with two nurses in the nhs who have got a sexually active man in their changing room, and there's nothing they

can do about it. oh, yes. and are we going to end up with a load of illegal immigrants all over the uk under labour? >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers sponsors of weather on gb news >> hi there, it's time for the latest update from the met office for gb news. cool atlantic winds return across the uk this weekend. that means blustery showers , especially for blustery showers, especially for northern parts, but some drier and brighter interludes too, especially across southern parts . low pressure and unseasonably deep low is now crossing northern scotland. around the south of that low, we've got these strong winds bringing unpleasant conditions really across scotland, northern ireland, northern england, spells of rain or showers continuing through the night, the strongest winds pushing through northern and northeast scotland. meanwhile, further south, it's mostly dry apart from 1 or 2 showers for wales in the southwest, patchy cloud, but a cooler night for many of us, so 1113 celsius by dawn. now we

start the day with those winds and the outbreaks of rain continuing across northwest scotland, northwest highlands seeing prolonged and at times heavy rain and the rain then sweeping into orkney and shetland . later some shelter shetland. later some shelter from the rain across eastern and southern scotland, but a few showers here, brightening up across northern ireland compared with the last 24 hours. a few sunny spells, but also 1 or 2 showers. a few showers there for wales, northern england, perhaps the southwest, but the further south—east you are, the drier it will be, the brighter it will be. there'll be quite a lot of cloud, to be honest, across the uk during the day, but some brightness will develop, especially towards the southwest by the afternoon. further north any rain tends to break up into showers, but there will be some heavy downpours for the highlands, grampians, the northwest of scotland and that strong wind continues, making it feel on the cool side in the south, where we've got some sunshine and lighter winds 23 celsius. so too not unpleasant. we start saturday with a lot of fine weather. best of the

sunshine. the southeast, as well as parts of southern scotland, northern ireland. this finger of cloud pushes into northern and western england, as well as wales, to bring some light rain by the afternoon. but for many , by the afternoon. but for many, this weekend is looking mostly settled. if a lot cooler compared with the weather of recent days. >> looks like things are heating

>> it's 10 pm. i'm patrick christys tonight. >> what will you do with the illegal migrants that arrive to the uk? what will you do with them? you've had three weeks to think of an answer. what is it? >> has labour capitulated on illegal immigration with a week to go? >> people come to this country have given a net income increase to our country and have a value. >> now angela rayner wants every borough to take their, quote, fair share of asylum seekers. what does that mean? >> plus, our trust believes all

staff should feel welcome and respected at work. >> we want all staff to be able to be themselves. >> i'm very pleased to say i'm going to be joined live by nhs nurses , who are forced to share nurses, who are forced to share a changing room with a sexually active man and of homeless, homeless english people not getting housed . getting housed. >> but you have immigrants that come here that are illegal and they get housed. >> all the youth shifting to the right. and what's wrong with this sausage? i have tomorrow's front pages with ex—ukip mep and migration expert stephen woolfe. i've got tory peer lord bailey and political journalist zoe grunwald. oh, yes. and i want you to tell me, please, what happens next to cristiano ronaldo . get ready. britain, ronaldo. get ready. britain, here we go .

here we go. are we right on the brink now of an illegal migrant? free for all. next . all. next. >> the top story from the gb newsroom at just after 10:00. the prime minister has been urging voters to not surrender to labour, adding that this is a really important election, he says, where britain could make a better choice. he was speaking to gb news political editor christopher hope and he also said that britain's mustn't vote labour because if they win the election, they'll reverse all the changes he has made. >> want people to surrender to labour? i don't want them to surrender to their tax rises. i don't want people to surrender our borders to labour, our welfare system, labour, our national security, to labour. i'm up for the fight. i want people to join me in that fight, like we should not surrender our country to this, right. we can do better. last years has not

been easy. i'm not saying we've got everything right. i completely understand that. but this is really important. this election. if labour are in power, they'll have a blank check to do whatever they want. that means put up your taxes , that means put up your taxes, reverse all the changes i made to get us to net zero in a sensible way. reverse all the progress we've made on illegal migration. >> well, that was rishi sunak. the lib dem leader, sir ed davey, today said the winner of the general election should be passing an emergency budget to fix the health care system . the fix the health care system. the party says its manifesto pledges £9.4 billion in a spending package for the national health service, health care and social care to ed davey , saying he care to ed davey, saying he wants to see a budget which would be much more targeted in scope than a regular one. now the former newcastle united owner, sir john the former newcastle united owner, sirjohn hall, has switched his political support to reform uk after previously donating tens of thousands of pounds to the conservative party. he was cheered on at a reform speech near sunderland,

where party leader nigel farage was speaking. mr farage said it had been a privilege to welcome sir john into the reform family sirjohn into the reform family and said he'd made a substantial donation to the party's campaign. sirjohn said he felt like the tories had left him disillusioned . disillusioned. >> the conservative party has let me down. there have been a failure for the last many ways over the last 14 years, and they don't speak now, for my english is my way of life, which i feel is my way of life, which i feel is under threat. and i looked around basically who i find to speak for me and the reform party. i feel and i feel it's the only ones who are going to speak and about, saving my engush speak and about, saving my english culture. >> sir john english culture. >> sirjohn hall, junior doctors >> sir john hall, junior doctors in england, walked out today for the 11th time in almost a year. the five day strike continues in their long running pay dispute with the government. they're asking for a 35% pay rise, which labour has said is a

non—starter. but the doctors say more industrial action is going to be taking place over the summer if negotiations don't move forward . move forward. >> i'll pay at the moment for a doctor in their first year is £15.50. we're asking for that to be £21, £21 an hour for a doctor that's starting life saving treatment on our loved ones, £21 an hour for a doctor with student loans of £100,000. and because the pay cut has been so strong, we're losing doctors. we don't have enough and we don't have enough doctors. we're seeing patients die needlessly in the nhs every single week . in the nhs every single week. >> that's the news i'm polly middlehurst. i'm back in an houn middlehurst. i'm back in an hour. see you then. >> for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code, or go to gbnews.com. forward slash alerts i >> welcome along has labour just

>> welcome along has labourjust capitulated on illegal immigration with a week to go, the country saw this exchange last night, but you know where these people come from. >> he's not answering the question. you know where they see that? >> iran. you can see syria, afghanistan. so when keir starmer says he's going to return people, is he going to sit down? are you going to sit down with the iranian ayatollahs? are you going to try and do a deal with the taliban? >> i'm very clear that what we need to do here, we need to get our security of our borders back. they've lost control. 50,000 people have come. we've got to smash the gangs that are doing this in the first place. what >> what labour have said that they will give the 90,000 illegal immigrants currently unable to claim asylum the chance to stay in britain. the point sunak makes is if they've come from the likes of iran or afghanistan, there's no chance of a returns agreement. so basically they're staying here, aren't they? labour say they will work more closely with the eu, obviously smash the gangs as well and look to potentially re—enter that dublin agreement. but there is no evidence that they'll be allowed to do that or

if it will work. keir starmers language when it comes to people crossing the channel in small boats is actually really interesting. just just take a look and a listen to this. >> what you notice now, i think that nobody but nobody should be making that journey across the channel >>i channel >> i think that nobody but nobody should be coming across okay. you could take that one of two ways, couldn't you either ? two ways, couldn't you either? he thinks that these poor people shouldn't be making a dangerous journey across the channel, or they shouldn't be breaking into britain. which one do you think he means? and now, deputy labour leader angela rayner has said every borough in the uk will be required to take their , quote, required to take their, quote, fair share of asylum seekers. she says every borough has an obugafion she says every borough has an obligation to take on their fair share of asylum seekers, but not everyone in hotels that are currently in hotels will be given a right to remain in the uk. well, currently there are four times as many asylum seekers staying in hotels in labour controlled councils as there are in tory areas, and six

times as many as those in lib dem areas. she also said that successful asylum seekers will be eligible to live in the 1.5 million new social homes that labouris million new social homes that labour is planning to build, and labour is planning to build, and labour has pledged to clear. the 35,000 migrants currently living in hotels. so the conservatives say when you add it all together, it would mean about 1300 new asylum seekers housed in your local authority in every local authority. and that's if numbers stay the same , isn't it? numbers stay the same, isn't it? not get worse as many are predicting, but i wonder, do you think your area is already taking its fair share of illegal immigrants and asylum seekers? let's get the thoughts of my panel this evening. i've got former mep in the director of the centre of migration and economic prosperity is stephen wolf. i've got tory peer lord bailey, and i have also got political journalist and broadcaster zoe greenwald and stephen, i'll start with you. so

the labour party there then, are they going to plonk around 1300 asylum seekers into every single local authority? >> no, it's probably about those figures. yeah. when you look at how many have failed asylum seekers in the last 15 years, that's half a million that we haven't sent back. and when you look at the quotes from rishi sunak, most of them is correct. it's iran, iraq, afghanistan , it's iran, iraq, afghanistan, somalia. those are the top countries and we can't send them back to those those countries because they fail. so there's going to be a large numbers. plus we're expecting roughly between 80 to 100,000, not just those coming across on the boats, but those who arrive here in their visas are cancelled or they claim because they've come on the backs of lorries, which still happens. so those numbers are going to increase and it's farcical. it really is farcical to suggest that the building of 1.5 million houses across the next five years will alleviate that.in next five years will alleviate that. in the last five years, the government has built, or rather companies have built 800,000. labour expects to build

twice as many just in social housing. it's ridiculous. >> sean, are we witnessing now a labour capitulation on illegal immigration? >> do you think i wouldn't use the word capitulation? i think it's where they really are . they it's where they really are. they swap the word, asylum seeker and economic migrant. they get swapped. i think this idea that the people who are technically eligible to be deported right now will be given a second chance. shows you to many people, that will sound like there's an immediate rise in the numbers coming. and i said in the very beginning , keir the very beginning, keir starmer's border force will be irrelevant because unless you have a relationship with a country in which those people came from, you don't know where to send them back to, and you certainly won't have the wherewithal to do that. you need a partnership to do that, to be clear, angela is correct. it's a national problem that we should have a national response. but what it may mean for the labour party is national pain, because many parts of the country that are not confronted by the challenges of immigration, who would be if she had her plan and spread them all out? there's a lot of places in scotland.

>> i mean, scotland takes a comparatively very, very few, actually. they've got one of the lowest numbers of migrant hotels, if not the lowest of anywhere in the uk. look, zoe, i mean, you know, we had keir starmer using language like nobody but nobody should come across the channel. as i said earlier, i think that could be taken one of two ways. you've also got the fact that 90,000 people who are currently definitely not going to be able to claim asylum here, could claim asylum under a labour government, and this distribution of people are out now across the country. i just wonder if labour are letting the cat out of the bag a little bit here. >> well, i think anybody who has come over to this country claiming asylum deserves to have their, claim processed and properly assessed. i don't think anybody thinks they should be sat in hotels waiting for years to have their claim processed. that's not it's not good for britain. that's not good for asylum seekers, labour's making the point that actually it's going to fast track asylum cases to clear that backlog. and it won't necessarily be that entire number of asylum seekers. in fact, i'm sure they're hoping it would be much lower. i agree there is an issue here with the

returns , deal. i'm not quite returns, deal. i'm not quite sure how that has been clarified. the problem is, and what i think the reality is, is that labour wants to do a deal with the eu, so it has some sort of returns agreement or some kind of sharing quota with the could that well, could that work, could they get a deal with the eu? >> let's look at the impact of the dublin agreement between britain in 2016 and 17. that's what labour is going to say. it's our big shibboleth. this is going to help us greatly. when we made into the eu dublin agreement, we only sent back 617 people to eu. it's about the same number we're possibly going to send to rwanda. >> actually, yes, that's right. >> actually, yes, that's right. >> but we took 1047. in the same year we made an application for 4000 to send the eu said no . and 4000 to send the eu said no. and that's what will happen again. yeah. part of this dublin agreement is that the eu used it to be able to push more people to be able to push more people to britain, and that will continue . labour is again continue. labour is again whistling in the wind on this. if they think the eu is going to backtrack and let's be clear, the eu is in a bigger problem

with its own immigration than it was at that time. >> so there's just more people to move about. the thing i've always said the response to this will have to be international, but our own national response is to send the message that we will deport people. labour i think, will have a real internal problem with deportations on two levels. one, they simply will never hit any target they set because they don't know where to send these people from. people often just destroy their paperwork. but two are a lot of labour activists and mps will not want to be seen as a party sending people home. >> no, sorry. can i just say this that migrant hotels are one thing. they're costly. they're. i think it's pretty obvious where i stand on migrant hotels, but if i take, for example, the area just just near to where i grew up, there was a four star hotel at the end of my grandma's road, and there was another one a few rows down. both of those are now migrant hotels. there is something at least temporary about a migrant hotel. i wonder , about a migrant hotel. i wonder, under angela rayner and keir

starmer, whether actually labour's plan is to just build social housing in those areas and then move these people in full time? >> well, actually, i don't know why we're focusing so much on social housing. i mean, the 1.5 million new homes is social housing and homes that will be private rented and bought as well. it's not just social housing. and actually, i think it's like 80% of migrants who have lived for , here for five have lived for, here for five years are in private accommodation. they're not in social housing. so actually social housing. so actually social housing. so actually social housing is it's you know, there are plenty of rules in place already in our legislation that make it much more difficult for immigrants to get social housing. well there is though. >> she's homeless. >> she's homeless. >> she's homeless. >> she just said two things. i'll tell you why. we're concentrating on social housing, because the need for social housing is absolute. >> you know why that is? it's acute because the tory government has sold off so many social housing, absolutely acute and when you when you bring those they've not built anymore, when you bring those people in they will be eligible for social housing. >> angela rayner has said so. so that's why people are focusing on social housing because the needis on social housing because the need is acute. >> well, yeah. but also you've

got to look at the costs . i got to look at the costs. i estimated that we're spending around 8 to 10 billion a year at the moment on migration into this country, which includes illegal asylum and the costs around it . when you look at the around it. when you look at the conservative with the labour party's policies , which means party's policies, which means shifting it to different parts of the country, i estimate another 4 billion. and you're giving an example on that. if you're in stockport, an average one bedroom house is £700, but in winchester it's £1,400. if you're going to say you've got to have 1000 in winchester and 1000 in stockport, the cost of the government is going to the bill is going to go up and the impact on people in those areas, you'll find that they will not be able to get social. >> can i just say sorry or ordinary? >> very funny. i know we are pressed for time, but zoe isn't our case to be said. now for people who've weighed up what the tories have said and what labour has said, and if they vote labour and they get labour in their area, then they should take more migrants than the tory seats. >> i think we need to reassess our attitude towards asylum seekers. there are plenty of people in this world who

genuinely need to claim asylum, and we are a very tolerant country and we have always been. we've always taken our fair share of asylum seekers. i agree with sean in that this is a global problem. it's only going to get worse. we're going to see more civil unrest across the globe, more climate change, more economic unrest. people are going to move. we cannot solve this problem on our own as an island. and that seems to be the approach of reform. and the tories thinking we can do this on our own. >> we can't tolerant when we're pulling down our statutes. >> it's not tolerant when we're chasing jews around the country and claiming and shouting at them and abusing them. it's not tolerant when we're destroying our culture. >> the vast majority. no, it's not the vast majority . but even not the vast majority. but even if we've got a suggest, it is even if we're getting a small minority of those people who are abusing the rights of being here, that's what's changing and transforming the cultural aspects. >> now i look at economics, but there are those who look at the cultural side. we can't all say everybody is perfect who comes here. >> not everyone living in britain and british nationals are perfect. i mean, it's i get it. >> as much as it.— >> as much as i it. >> as much as i would to love

carry this on, we have we have got other things that we need to rattle through, including this. after my interview with ann widdecombe, where i weigh right out the wrong list of candidates standing in salisbury. >> so i'm just saying this is why. >> so here we go, madrid . >> so here we go, madrid. laboun >> so here we go, madrid. labour, victoria. charleston. liberal democrats, julian malins, reform uk john glenn , malins, reform uk john glenn, conservative chris harwood, climate party. bonnie norris, green, king arthur pendragon, independent. so there we go . i independent. so there we go. i cleared everything up for everybody now. and there we are. right coming up, i will take you through the very first look at tomorrow's newspaper front pages and our britain's youth shifting to the right of homeless, homeless, english people not getting housed. >> but you have immigrants that come here that are illegal, and they get housed. >> and next you absolutely will not believe what has allegedly been going on in hospital changing rooms due to nhs transgender policy. two female nurses, they've had enough, they are suing and they're bravely speaking out about this as well. they are live here in this studio with their shocking stories. it's a must watch and

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next. welcome back to patrick christys . tonight are still to come. i'll bring you the very first look at tomorrow's newspaper front pages. there are some great ones on there as well, actually, so i'll get to those shortly. but first, i'm really excited to be talking about this story because i think it really, genuinely does matter a heck of a lot. and i bring you a tv

exclusive with two nurses who are blowing the whistle on transgender policies in hospitals, which they say are putting staff at risk. so lisa lockey and also bethany hutchinson are two of four nurses who have launched legal action after a trans male at birth colleagues behaviour reportedly caused female staff at the darlington memorial hospital to suffer panic attacks. now i'm going to throw it over to the ladies here who are on my sofa just to explain the exact situation, because i think when you at home, find out exactly what's going on here, it's probably going to make you spit your dinner out. so bethany, i'll start with you. so just explain to us what the situation is here. you have got someone who's biological male, still a biological male who's allowed to change in your change room at a hospital. yeah. yeah. >> correct. yeah. yes. so, we first became aware of him sort of, probably about a year ago. a year ago? yeah, about a year ago. and a few nurses, they

basically contacted me and said, oh, this is what's happening. i feel really uncomfortable. and i suppose they approached me because i've been working there quite a long time now, and they felt comfortable to do so. and thought maybe something might get done. so we kind of we followed policy , we chatted to a followed policy, we chatted to a sister on the ward and said , sister on the ward and said, could you please pass this on to hr? and she has raised it with hr? and she has raised it with hr and nothing really has been done. this person still continues to change. now changing room okay. >> and it obviously makes you feel quite uncomfortable. and i think i believe that, the person is not on any kind of hormone treatment. >> no, not no . allegedly. no, ho. 110. >> no. >> and is trying to get a, girlfriend pregnant is what, is what we've heard. yes. yeah. >> so really a sexually active i would say arguably straight man. man. >> yes. yeah >> yes. yeah >> by the traditional definition, i suppose. yeah. how does that make you feel, though ? does that make you feel, though? >> incredibly uncomfortable.

it's just it's really uncomfortable. a lot of the girls are feeling really panicky about it. don't want to go in the changing room. >> i've been in tears before their shift, and we're meant to support patients through , you support patients through, you know, something that's quite stressful. yeah. the surgery is surgery, and we're meant to support them. and you know, we're struggling because we're distressed before work. >> i've heard some of your colleagues have had panic attacks. is that right? yeah yeah. there's been incidents where well it's happened with you as well beth, where there's only the individual and one female behind the locked door of the changing room and you know , the changing room and you know, girls have reported feeling really panicked by that, you know, thinking they just they feel so uncomfortable with. >> what's his behaviour like in the changing room. >> inappropriate. i would say inappropriate. >> it definitely lingers longer than needs. i go in there and i can't wait to get out and get

home. at the end of my shift. there seems to be a lot of walking around chatting now. whether this is chatting with, with friends, colleagues of his, i don't know. but there definitely seems to be some, some hanging around . and when some hanging around. and when you, you've gone to hr, i mean look i'll be honest with you i would, i would expect if i walked into a woman's changing room and hung around in there , i room and hung around in there, i would expect there to be some consequences to that . but it consequences to that. but it appears that that's not the case in the nhs at the moment. why do you think this is? are you being told that you've got to be tolerant, or that it'll be educated more? maybe in diversity or whatever it is, the equality act and the you know, that, we, we have to be more, what was the word they used? >> inclusive, more inclusive , >> inclusive, more inclusive, that we need to be educated, that, you know, it's kind of like we felt really like we'd

been reprimanded, like we were naughty school children that weren't toeing the line and that weren't toeing the line and that we should . that we were bad we should. that we were bad people . people. >> so it's made you feel like bad people. >> oh, yeah. >> oh, yeah. >> completely. and we also feel like there's no chance of us progressing in the nhs at all. we'll have a black mark by our name. you know. we won't be allowed to progress in our jobs because you'd be seen as intolerant or in some way bigoted because you're not accepting this. >> are you worried about the direction of travel here? i mean, presumably this this didn't really exist as a problem. i don't know, maybe ten years ago. yeah. you're worried, are you, that this could become more of a problem now ? more of a problem now? >> well, yeah, i mean, we were told that there is another, another member of staff on one of the other floors in the hospital who, has said that he wants to start transitioning. so we've kind of, you know, we know it's a problem , that it's it's a problem, that it's something needs to be sorted out for, for transgender people to go in, we don't we don't want to

force this person to go in the men's. we don't want them to feel uncomfortable. you know, we don't want to attack this person. it'sjust don't want to attack this person. it's just we want our female only space back. we want to feel comfortable, and we do not feel comfortable . no. not feel comfortable. no. >> and we want a change in policy. yeah. the policy is it's just outrageous to anybody . yes. it's. >> so go on explain that then. so what is the current policy. >> so the policy states that, anybody can self—identify and so anybody can self—identify and so a male can say that they're a female and that's all they need to do. they just need to contact any member of the transition. >> isn't it? it's like it doesn't have to be right. you've got to have been on female hormones for however long or it's literally, you know, if they want to be in there as soon as they've started the transition, that's fine. >> me now? yes, absolutely . >> me now? yes, absolutely. >> me now? yes, absolutely. >> so i tomorrow i want to change my name and i you could go in conceivably if i got a job in the nhs tomorrow and said,

right, i'm a woman now, i could wander into your change it exactly. >> yes. >> yes. >> right. >> right. >> yes . >> yes. >> yes. >> and world. >> and world. >> additionally additionally, if we have any issues with that, we have to go and find somewhere else to change. >> i mean, it is. it is bonkers. i'm going to read to you a couple of bits of morse now. so this is, i think this is wes streeting. is it the shadow health secretary? i support the nurses. all right. he says, and i'm horrified that they've had to resort to legal action. we've got to find a better way through this. i'd be happy to meet them. there you go. so you you might have been aware of this already. we've got to find a way through, that treats trans people with respect and respects women. safe spaces, so that is that is what he's had to say. miriam cates of the tory party has said this. we don't need a better way through. we just need to uphold the rules and boundaries based on the realities of biology and human nature that all societies throughout all history have upheld. men are not not allowed in women's intimate spaces. that is where it begins. and ends.

what do you both make of those two political figures? their comments there ? and is there one comments there? and is there one that's ringing more true for you or or not particularly, i think i don't think either of us have any confidence in wes streeting, you know, he seems to have done a 360. it just seems to be now about getting votes and saying saying the right thing. yeah, that'll that'll please us, because you know, 50% of the population are women , who are population are women, who are going to be voting next week , going to be voting next week, yeah.i going to be voting next week, yeah. i think it's, you know, i think it's just talk. oh absolutely. >> yeah. oh, completely . >> yeah. oh, completely. completely, and can i just ask what? well, there is something on the front of the guardian. i was only aware of this just before. literally as you walked in, actually. but labour are pledging to ban managers who silence nhs whistleblowers. they say. and you mentioned earlier to me there that you're one of your big concerns is that there'll be a black mark against your name. now you've caused a

problem, you've raised an issue and that that will have an effect on your career progression. do you do you see that changing? do you think that that's because because it's a very brave thing that you've done to speak out? i mean, you must really have thought long and hard about whether or not you wanted to. >> absolutely. >> absolutely. >> yeah, yeah. and what what tipped you over the edge there? because you must have spoken about this quite a bit and thought in an ideal world, you wouldn't with respect, you wouldn't with respect, you wouldn't be on national television. right. talk to me about it now, would you? >> you know, for me, it was, to talking some of our international nurses, that how upset they were, you know, we got talking about it one day, and one of the girls was just saying how she was so absolutely horrified. she she was in the changing room. she took her top off and she heard a male voice. and for her, she panicked. and she literally just she froze in panic, and i just i could have panic, and ijust i could have actually wept for her. it was so awful to hear that, and that i think that was sort of the

turning point for me where i just thought, this isn't right. and it's not fair. >> and now and now this individual, she wears a top and leggings underneath her uniform because she's so terrified that this colleague will walk in and, you know, she'll be you shouldn't have to change your behaviour. >> you shouldn't you shouldn't have to change your behaviour. you shouldn't have to deal with the mental. the job that you guys do is, is so important. and so, you know, stressful and demanding and i imagine emotionally draining at times as well. the last thing you need is, is this on top of that very quickly then. so what's the ultimate resolution for you now. so you've got you've got legal action taking place. just just say what you want to happen there. how's this going to play out. >> do you think we want policy changed. absolutely. we want the government to , whoever it may be government to, whoever it may be that comes into power, they need to scrutinise this and it's across the board as well. it's not just the nhs. it needs to hit wider society. >> absolutely. because it's happening everywhere. it's happening everywhere. it's happening in shop, changing rooms and things like that. >> yeah. no. look, fair play to

you. absolutely. and i know that you're going to there'll be people sitting at home now or listening on the radio or whatever they're doing, applauding both of you in a very, very big way. so thank you very, very big way. so thank you very much for coming on. good luck with everything. i hope that you get exactly what you're after . and i think most people after. and i think most people would. you know, i've said this before, i haven't got children yet. if i do have a daughter, i think, if things do get changed, i would be very grateful for the fact that women like you have actually helped to improve their situation . so thank you very, situation. so thank you very, very much, when we contacted county durham and darlington nhs foundation trust, they said the trust would like to emphasise that at this stage the claims being made are allegations which need to be fully investigated and reviewed. the trust has initiated this through its internal process and this work continues, however, as the allegations are now also subject to an active legal action, it would not be appropriate for the trust to comment further at this stage. deep breaths everyone. right, okay, that was nhs nurses lisa lockey and bethany hutchison. thank you very much. great to have you on the show. good luck with everything. all right. coming up, a qr code has

been attached to a statue of a feminist icon, virginia woolf, to explain why her quotes were quotes are offensive, apparently, is this beyond parody now? are we giving into to wokeism ? and is this why more to wokeism? and is this why more of britain's youngsters are shifting to the right? it's a really interesting clip there. so what do you make of it? i see of homeless, homeless english people not getting housed, but you have immigrants that come here that are illegal and they get housed . yeah. it's get housed. yeah. it's interesting, isn't it? whether more and more young people are going to feel that way. have got tomorrow's front pages hot off the press for you

welcome back to patrick christys. tonight. i've got a little look now at tomorrow's newspaper front pages. let's do it. okay. the guardian, labour pledged to ban managers who silence nhs whistleblowers. and they are looking to clamp down on people being silenced, threatened with the sack, etc. if they blow the whistle on

malpractice in the nhs. let's go to the daily mail poll that shows it's not too late to stop. starmer supermajority a, quote, terrifying labour supermajority terrifying labour superm ajority could terrifying labour supermajority could be averted. apparently 1 in 10 amounting to more than 4 million ballots are unsure who to back. so the angle on this is that rishi still got a chance. i suppose the i private school fees vat in reevess first budget, but delayed until 2025 and loophole closed . not the and loophole closed. not the most well worded front page, i will say, but , it's all most well worded front page, i will say, but, it's all about the schools and the private schools and the vat. let's go to the daily telegraph. farage is a putin appeaser, says sunak. pm a tax reform leader stance and warns of buyer's remorse. so there we are, the duke of sussex is destroyed. potential evidence, say lawyers as well. this is an interesting one. prince harry deliberately destroyed potential evidence relating to his high court phone hacking claim against her publisher, the sun. it has been

claimed, as a judge has ordered him to explain himself. and we'll go to the metro now . this we'll go to the metro now. this is a very concerning story that i sense is going to be on the other front pages in the coming days. tv paramedic murder probe. so this is a star of a channel 4 show. was found dead next to a nurse. now this has since taken another turn as well because the police have now apparently launched a double murder investigation. as i understand it, the police force involved has also now reported itself to the independent commission, the thinking, the thinking there is because they had some form of previous contact with this couple who have subsequently both ended up dead. so you know that story. i think has probably got a little bit of a way to run on it, hasn't it? i'm joined now by my press pack and, of course it is. the wonderful former mep and director of the centre of migration and economic prosperity, stephen wolffe, conservative peer, lord bailey, and political journalist and

broadcaster zoe greenwald. and i am going to just whizz us straight on to a clip here because it ties in with with the overarching news agenda. and there's no doubt that reform uk are on the rise. but it's not just the so—called boomers throwing their support behind nigel farage's party. data from four major pollsters suggest that as many as 16% of 18 to 24 year olds intend to vote reform next week. clips of nigel farage is, you know , interactions with is, you know, interactions with the youth are getting millions of views on tiktok, a reality that played out when novara media's aaron bastani was out on the streets of chichester of homeless, homeless english people not getting housed, but you have immigrants that come here that are illegal and they get housed. >> so joke, we spend too much tax money on immigrants and i think that's a joke . and we think that's a joke. and we should worry about our own people before others . people before others. >> do you think the political class generally are doing that then? no. >> i think the conservative

party is an absolute joke. and young people in this country don't have a voice, and it makes me sick and so if you if you could vote, lads, who would you vote for? dude, i vote for reform uk probably. yeah, that's the one. >> reform. yes. reform. yes reform uk. >> is that like if you're an actual english citizen, you actually have a voice and what happensin actually have a voice and what happens in this country. but then with a conservative party, we don't ever get a voice , we don't ever get a voice, right, sean, what do you make of that? >> i think what you're sensing there is two things. when you're there is two things. when you're the government, you have to carry the pain of the entire political establishment. so if i was speaking to that young man, i would point out that it's a labour party on many, many levels that have supported the situation with. but to be clear, the government have to take some responsibility for where we are. but the real thing here is about the, the for competition resources. that is a young man expressing the fact that he fully knows his future will be different because of the level of immigration. now what he also

knows is when you talk about these things, you're tired as racist, etc, etc, etc. but that's very important. so the earlier story we talked about angela rayner saying that all boroughs must take their fair share. i did agree with her because a national problem, a national response. but what it means for labour is a national problem because people will feel the cost of immigration themselves. all right. >> sorry . what's your take? on >> sorry. what's your take? on what that that young lad has just said there? >> well, i think he's expressed something that a lot of young people in this country feel, which is that the conservative government have abandoned young people. if you look at the track record of the tory government, youth centres closed higher education funding cuts, you look at how rishi sunak has responded to that. oh, i'm going to put you all in national service. i'm going to make you do maths till you're 18. it's not it doesn't inspire young people. and, you know, quite frankly, the government haven't built enough houses. they are you know, there's been massive increases in generational inequality. this generation is going to be poorer than its parents. no wonder young people feel disenfranchised. the problem for me is if that young man thinks

that reform uk is the answer . that reform uk is the answer. that's where i completely disagree. if you look at reform's manifesto, there's nothing in there for young people. they're not committing to anything in terms of housing. they're scrapping net zero, they're scrapping hs2, they're going to make it harder for students to come over a little bit on, potentially on on student debt, though i do i do get what you're saying, though, stephen, i wonder whether or not actually, you know, this votes for 16 thing and everyone initially myself included, was like, oh, you're loading the dice for a future labour government. >> actually. i mean, they might a lot of them might go, right. >> well, i think they will. what was really fascinating and really important about that is, yes, they're criticising the conservative party. but he wasn't coming out and supporting the labour party because the labour party is also seen as a huge issue, particularly for those who are young and have very little income and at the bottom end, because of the social strata, because they see it as them, not helping them . it as them, not helping them. all they hear is white privilege for themselves. all they hear is and negative attitudes towards being a man or a male. for example . and that is why you're

example. and that is why you're getting this massive division, particularly in young people , particularly in young people, between those who are male, who are starting to for vote reform, and those who who are female, who are voting for other parties. but this is crossing across the whole of europe. it's crossing in canada at the moment where you're seeing it massively. you could see a huge change this is generational, but across the board they don't like the major politicians and they want massive change, an alternative. >> and i don't think we can overstate the impact of tiktok and social media on this as well. it is no coincidence that nigel farage is massive on tiktok, and you do see people of a certain age, a younger age now being more engaged and something completely different. now, cristiano ronaldo is used to being mobbed by his adoring fans, but it's reached a whole new level at euro 2024. three fansinvaded new level at euro 2024. three fans invaded the pitch for selfies with the portugal star dunng selfies with the portugal star during his team's three nil win over turkey in dortmund on saturday. ronaldo greeted happily posed with the first child. wasn't that keen on the attention of the other two? it

must be said, that's him. but last night one supporter went to even more extreme lengths to get to ronaldo after portugal shock defeat to georgia . defeat to georgia. i mean , yeah, it's the way i mean, yeah, it's the way ronaldo just stands there with his arms up . his arms up. >> like, what the heck is going on? the guys initially i watched that and i thought he tried to attack him. >> i don't think it is. i think he's just trying to get one more look at it now. i think he just thought it's his. my chance. i've got to say hello to you. >> it looks like he's been dropped from the sky. >> it does not work from that security, though. no prisoners taken . but ronaldo's reaction is taken. but ronaldo's reaction is another angle of it. i mean, that level of superstar. >> really ridiculous way to try and get a hug of ronaldo, isn't it? you know. >> come on, give me a hug. >> come on, give me a hug. >> i know. all right. well yes.

all right. coming up, coming up, coming up. has this election just got even weirder? in my judge and an incoming labour government. >> ukip shapps. tak tak tak tak tak . tak. >> that is a tory campaign video. and more of tomorrow's news from paper or whatever i'm doing next. pages, papers, whatever. go on, do it.

okay. welcome back to patrick christys tonight, and it's time for more newspaper front pages. hot off the press. let's do it. okay, we've got the mirror. this is why we need to vote labour. it says inside crumbling hospital. that is the time. so it's all right. don't worry. i'll stay on it. the times shoot illegal migrants dead. reform campaigners a shift in tone. their shoot illegal migrants said reform campaigner farage. aides recorded by undercover reporters. they say it's a

campaigner for nigel farage. for what it's worth, nigel farage has hit back on this and said i've met this guy once he was out canvassing. he doesn't really know who he is and also did ask where the media attention was on some other candidates that were standing as well. but anyway, daily express is it now , yeah. why not bbc is it now, yeah. why not bbc paid tv audience to appear at leaders debates. the bbc spent more than £30,000 of licence fee payers money hiring audience members for the tv election debate between rishi sunak and keir starmer. there we go. and yes, there is the mirror, which is a crumbling hospital. they're saying this is why we need to vote labour, because labour will give it more funding so that we go right, okay. joined again by my wonderful panel. you know who they are by now. i don't really need to waste a lot of time reintroducing them, but have you heard of flexitarians? any idea what that means? well, much like having your meat and eating it, these are people who want to consume less animal produce without giving up on me entirely. basically, these are people who just want to eat a bit less meat, right? and now

our nhs is pandering to them. if you are unlucky enough to land yourself in a hospital bed, you can expect to get quorn mixed in with your meat. apparently the move will also help tackle climate change and suit individuals who are eco conscious, stephen is this just veganism a bit by stealth? do we think what's going on? >> i'm sorry, but anyone puts quorn in front of me. i'd rather eat my own toenails. ernest quorn is like concrete wrapped in really bad , gone off flour in really bad, gone off flour with eggs that have been rotten for about six months. i'm sorry. there's just this. not me. give me a steak. let my daughter go. a nice brown sauce on it with lots of pepper in it. she's brilliant. she's going up a meat eater. thank goodness for that . eater. thank goodness for that. i'll only eat meat. >> i don't think quorn are going to be easing off their advertising campaign any time sooi'i. 500“. >> soon. >> i'm not going to be their pr agent. >> no, no at all. >>— >> no, no at all. >> sure. i do wonder though. seriously, you know you're in a hospital, which is not great. you've got to, you know, eat what's best for you. don't know if a bit of quorn in a sausage

isideal if a bit of quorn in a sausage is ideal , is if a bit of quorn in a sausage is ideal, is it? >> i personally don't think it's a big deal, except was this a decision made up for want of a better term work reasons, or was it a decision made for health? now, if someone tells me if a doctor says to me, a nutritionist says to me, look, this quorn stuff help you recover, you wouldn't hear me complain even if the hospital were to serve it. it's fine as long as i have a choice. but when they start foisting their beliefs on you, i always ask the question who gets to choose what is right and is wrong? because if you ask my mum, she'll give you a full sausage. she wouldn't give you a quorn. so. so i think we should let my mum run around to your house. my mum should run the nhs diet thing. she'd do just fine . just fine. >> okay, gonzo. >> okay, gonzo. >> oh, come on, it's a sausage. it's still got pork in it . it's it's still got pork in it. it's got a bit of corn in it. i mean, you know, it's good to eat a bit less meat. it's better for the environment. it's better for you. corn is high in protein. it's really good for you and for you. less animals. >> should the nhs. >> should the nhs. >> are you going to eat quorn all the rest of this year? then just for i will show. >> how about that?

>> how about that? >> nothing but quorn dedication i do wonder, i think the overarching point there probably, surely you are right, is, is the nhs making decisions based on climate change like we've had with electric ambulances , where it's turned ambulances, where it's turned out that quite a few of them couldn't do a full shift, especially around rural areas. and are they making that decision? they're based around environmental reasons or what's best for the patients, but they probably will be able to well, they probably would say corn is high in protein. >> it's leaner. it's probably better for the patient. >> but probably not good enough. >> but probably not good enough. >> it needs to be definitely. >> it needs to be definitely. >> it's got to be definitely. >> it's got to be definitely. >> oh, it's a bit of corn. >>— >> oh, it's a bit of corn. >> all right. well we'll leave that now. yes i showed you a little bit of this earlier on and it completely threw me. but conservative campaign headquarters have. here we go sean have turned up the volume in their latest campaign attack ad on labour. see what you make of this. we have a plan for the future . future. >> future tax , future tax, >> future tax, future tax, future tax, tax tax, tax , future future tax, tax tax, tax, future tax tax tax tax tax.

>> it's the sound of the summer. it is the sound of the summer that will be played all around ibiza before we know it people off. they're not in a choir or wherever it is, just there it is. future tax . yes, that takes is. future tax. yes, that takes me back. all right. i can practically smell the warehouse rave now. anyway, it's time now to reveal his greatest personal union jackass okay, stephen, who is your greatest briton , please? is your greatest briton, please? >> well, i'm going to go for a chap called john farage. really? he is 87 years of age, and i got this from the daily echo in southampton. he's with a group of similar guys who are still working at the solent air museum. they helped build the folland gnat and spitfire and still at their age, they're representing this country through charitable work, doing the stuff and i think, yeah, there you go. >> yeah, there you go. >> yeah, there you go. >> in there. >> in there. >> well, that's the lovely, amazing thing. >> that's a lovely start, sean.

>> that's a lovely start, sean. >> so my greatest britain is great british actor sir ian mckellen and sir anthony hopkins, sir anthony has celebrated his dear friend ian, who had a fall off the stage. they came together and they had a great little dance. and it's just great to see two of the two of our acting greats, their friendship and just a bit of support as he comes back to his full role. >> and i think we might have a couple of there we are. that's them having a little dance. oh, it's heartwarming stuff there. we go. a lovely flat as well, by the looks of things. okay. go on. so who's your greatest briton, please? >> my greatest briton. are, doctors, junior doctors. oh standing up for what they deserve. oh, they did so much for us during covid. and i think it's about time jobs. for us during covid. and i think it's about time jobs . well, and it's about time jobs. well, and aren't we glad they did? yeah because then we would have been in big problems. so junior doctors , even if it makes me doctors, even if it makes me unpopular with the public, it's today's winner of the greatest briton, is siri mckellen. anthony hopkins. although i must say, i think he's a very, very close second, for steven's choice, there . let's go to

choice, there. let's go to union, jackass. now. come on now, steven. oh, god . now, steven. oh, god. >> got to be david, david tennant, but not because of what he said about the political things we're not allowed to talk about, but. but just because he's there at the lgbt celebration, which is where you get lots of people with great style and fitness, and i know i'm going to get hit by this, but just take a look at his jacket . his jacket looks like an jacket. his jacket looks like an mc hammer reject jacket. he's got a huge butterfly in feathers on next to him. look at that. and that butterfly looks as though it's talking for him. >> we're getting out , guys. >> we're getting out, guys. we've got seconds. so go on. so my union jackass is the history of science museum in oxford, which has a new project to see if milk is racist. >> the real problem with this it's tax funder tax funders are paying it's tax funder tax funders are paying for it. okay, okay. >> mine is brewdog because they sacked an asian woman after she voiced distressed when members of the far right english defence league met in the bar. >> okay, i've gone for the museum because milk isn't

racist, right? thank you very much, everybody. thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you to everybody who's been watching and listening at home. it's headliners next i'll see you in a little bit. take it easy. bye bye. brilliant >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on gb news . news. >> hi there, it's time for the latest update from the met office for gb news. cool atlantic winds return across the uk this weekend. that means blustery showers, especially for northern parts, but some drier and brighter interludes too , and brighter interludes too, especially across southern parts. low pressure and unseasonably deep low is now crossing northern scotland. around the south of that low, we've got these strong winds bringing unpleasant conditions really across scotland, northern ireland, northern england, spells of rain or showers continuing through the night, the strongest winds pushing through northern and northeast scotland. meanwhile, further south, it's mostly dry , apart south, it's mostly dry, apart from 1 or 2 showers for wales in the southwest . patchy cloud, but

the southwest. patchy cloud, but a cooler night for many of us, so 11 to 13 celsius by dawn. now we start the day with those winds and the outbreaks of rain continuing across northwest scotland, northwest ireland seeing prolonged and at times heavy rain and the rain then sweeping into orkney and shetland. later some shelter from the rain across eastern and southern scotland, but a few showers here brightening up across northern ireland compared with the last 24 hours. a few sunny spells, but also 1 or 2 showers. a few showers there for wales , northern england, perhaps wales, northern england, perhaps the southwest, but the further south—east you are, the drier it will be, the brighter it will be. there'll be quite a lot of cloud to be honest. across the uk during the day, but some brightness will develop, especially towards the southwest by the afternoon. further north any rain tends to break up into showers, but there will be some heavy

i. >> ii-i >> it's i i-- >> it's 11:00. i. >> it's 11:00. you're with gb >> it's11:00. you're with gb news. this thursday evening. and the top story from the gb newsroom . the prime minister has newsroom. the prime minister has urged voters to not surrender to laboun urged voters to not surrender to labour, adding that this is a really important election where britain could make a better choice. he was speaking to gb news, political editor christopher hope. rishi sunak said if labour wins the election, they'll reverse all the changes that he's made. >> want people to surrender to labour? i don't want them to surrender to their tax rises. i don't want people to surrender

our borders to labour, our welfare system, labour, our