>> well . >> well. >> well. >> hello. good afternoon. it's 3:00. welcome to gb news on tv, onune 3:00. welcome to gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua. and for the next few hours, me and my panel will be taking on some of those big topics that are hitting the headunes topics that are hitting the headlines right now. this show is all about opinion. it's mine, it's theirs. and of course it is yours. we'll be debating, discussing and at times we will disagree, but no one will be cancelled . so joining me for the cancelled. so joining me for the next hour. broadcaster and journalist lizzie cundy and also former labour minister bill rammell. in a few moments time,

i'll be mocking the week with comedian and presenter of the saturday five albie amankona. and for this week in my political spotlight, pollster and political research director at savanta, chris hopkins. with less than a week till the general election, can we trust any political party in light of gamble gate then my great british debate. i'm asking, are our politicians the wrong class of people? labour's david lammy seems to think so. he claims the tories are not the right class of people to be running britain because of their public school smallness, but are they all just hypocrites on that matter? and then international presenter model and entrepreneur amal rashidi, discussing how she became successful and bridging the gap between uk and the usa with her talents. members of the labour party are also struggling to work out what a woman is. >> is it transphobic to say only women have a cervix? david i don't know if it's transphobic, but it's not. >> accurate. >> accurate. >> nick i mean, obviously you

it's probably the case that only that trans women don't have ovaries, but a cervix, i understand, is something that you can have, following various procedures . procedures. >> really? i'd love to know what those procedures are . but before those procedures are. but before we get started, let's get your latest . latest. news. what the hell is he on about? what the hell is he on about? what an idiot . poor. what an idiot. poor. david. so, as i said to adrian. >> nigel. >> nigel. >> just recording in a letter to the independent regulator, the party claims it was entirely evident the undercover news piece was a set up. it comes as

party piece was a set up. it comes as party leader nigel farage is also refusing to appear on bbc sunday's political programme. until the bbc apologises for what he calls their dishonest question time audience. >> we do want to get to 2.5, and it's really important that that's consistent with fiscal rules . the first thing we'll do rules. the first thing we'll do is carry out a strategic review of resources of capability to make sure that the money we are spending is spent effectively on the things that we need. but today is armed forces day, so it is the opportunity to say thank you to all of those who are serving and have served, and to remember the contribution that they have made to our country . they have made to our country. >> meanwhile, the prime minister will hail the duty, dedication and selfless personal sacrifice of servicemen and women as he marks armed forces day. rishi sunak will claim his is the only party to meet the help for

heroes veterans pledge. the pledge requires parties to commit to keeping the office for veterans affairs , commissioning veterans affairs, commissioning an independent review for the medical discharge process and ensuring veterans get the benefits and compensations they deserve. security minister tom tugendhat told gb news. armed forces day is more than just one day a year. >> armed forces day , for those >> armed forces day, for those of us who are veterans, isn't just one day a year. it you know, we live with our service good and bad. throughout the yeah good and bad. throughout the year. and for some of us, that can be bring back painful memories, but it can also bring back huge moments of pride, of having served alongside some of the best that our country has to offer. look at the record. look at what johnny mercer has achieved as the minister for veterans affairs, and look at what the prime minister has achieved in creating that cabinet position for veterans affairs. we've got op resolute and op courage that help veterans who may be finding life just a little bit difficult. >> meanwhile, leader of the liberal democrats are ed davey says his party wants to increase the number of troops in the army. >> well, our first priority and

armed forces day is to remember our veterans and to say to the armed force personnel who are serving at the moment, we want to make sure the way you're treated is much better, much better housing, much better health services. >> and we want to increase the number of troops in our british army. they're being cut by 10,000. we would get rid of those cuts and that's what we do immediately treat our veterans and our armed force personnel better and invest in our great british army in the long term. we want to get to 2.5% of national income spent on defence. >> in other news, more than 30 volunteers have joined an expanded search effort in tenerife for missing teenager jay slater. it's nearly two weeks since he went missing. hikers and locals are among those who've turned up to help. they're focusing on areas in the north of the island, close to the 19 year old's last known location . a new portrait of his location. a new portrait of his majesty the king in military

uniform, has been released to mark armed forces day. in his new portrait, the king is wearing his field marshal number one ceremonial frock coat with medals, sword and decorations. it comes as queen camilla gave a rare national statement praising servicemen and women in a message filmed in clarence house's mourning room. >> times of war and in times of peace. whether seen or unseen, our armed forces support and strengthen our nation . you're strengthen our nation. you're a source of inspiration , source of inspiration, reassurance and pride, and i and a woman has been arrested after a woman has been arrested after a video was shared on social media of a prison officer and an inmate having sex. >> the metropolitan police started an investigation after it was made aware of the footage , reportedly filmed at wandsworth jail in south london. the woman is being held on suspicion of misconduct in pubuc suspicion of misconduct in public office. the prison service says it doesn't tolerate staff corruption . those are the staff corruption. those are the latest gb news headlines. for

now, i'm sophia wenzler more in half an hour for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code or go to gbnews.com forward slash alerts . slash alerts. >> good afternoon. it's just coming up to seven minutes after 3:00. this is gb news. we are britain's election channel and we're getting close aren't we. and it's time to mock the week. and it's time to mock the week. and what a busy one it's been. it's sort of kicked off with david tennant , who had a go at david tennant, who had a go at kemi badenoch at the lgbt awards , demonstrating the intolerance of people who are promoting tolerance. >> but i think, i suppose if i'm honest, i'm a little depressed by the fact that acknowledging that everyone has the right to be who they want to be and live their life how they want to live it, as long as they're not hurting anyone else, should merit any kind of special award or special special mention because it's common sense , isn't it? >> it's. it

in- >> it's. it is. >> it's. it is. >> it is human decency. >> it's. it is. >> it is human decency . we >> it is human decency. we shouldn't live in a world where thatis shouldn't live in a world where that is worth remarking on. however until we wake up and kemi badenoch does not exist anymore . i don't wish ill of anymore. i don't wish ill of her. i just wish her to shut up, then we had round two of sunak versus starmer . versus starmer. >> rwanda plan is a deterrent. >> rwanda plan is a deterrent. >> you just have to listen to what the illegal migrants themselves are saying . themselves are saying. >> one of them just said most of us are still in france due to the fear we have about rwanda. another one said i won't cross the channel until the rwanda plan is destroyed. >> if labour win, the people smugglers are going to need a bigger boat. don't surrender our borders to the labour party. >> record numbers coming across the channel and he says it's a deterrent. there are a few hundred that would go on a flight to rwanda, a huge expense

to the taxpayer. there are tens of thousands. 50,000 people have come since rishi sunak has been prime minister >> ed davey spoke to christopher hope on gb news. >> sir ed davey, thank you for joining us today on gb news. is it time to ban politicians from betting on politics? >> i really think we need to review the whole of gambling regulation with respect to politics, and i really hope after the election that's what the new government and parliament gets behind , there's parliament gets behind, there's got to be much greater transparency and clarification about what is possible. >> and what's not possible. >> and what's not possible. >> i think people are confused except in this particular case, i don't think there's any black and white in this particular case, nigel farage faced a question time audience and hit back at accusations about racism. >> he was acting from the very start. this is a total and utter set up . set up. >> and across the pond, joe

biden went sleepy head to head with donald trump eligible for what i've been able to do with the with the covid, excuse me, with, dealing with everything we have to do with, look , if we have to do with, look, if we finally beat medicare, i really don't know what he said at the end of that sentence. >> i don't think he knows what he said either. >> it's been a mucky old week . >> it's been a mucky old week. right. well, coming up, comedian presenter of the saturday five albie amankona will be making light of this week's top stories and mock the week. then at 320, it's my roundtable discussion . it's my roundtable discussion. the trans row is back. shadow education secretary bridget phillipson refused to say if a trans woman with a penis should be able to use the ladies toilets , so the trans woman with

toilets, so the trans woman with a penis would use which lavatory? >> well , look, i lavatory? >> well, look, i think it's important that all people feel safe and have dignity and justice to go to the lavatory. >> which one does she use? >> which one does she use? >> at 335, former lord chancellor of and secretary of state sir brandon lewis will be joining me live in the studio. we'll have an overview of the future of the conservative party, then shining a light in my political hot seat today, political research director at savanta, chris hopkins has. the general election is less than a week away. can we trust what we see from the polls? chris will give us the latest facts and figures from the parties. he's my political spotlight at 345. thatis my political spotlight at 345. that is coming up. stay tuned. tell me what you think on everything we're discussing. send me your thoughts, post your comments . this comments. this gbnews.com/yoursay . joining me gbnews.com/yoursay. joining me now comedian. he's not a comedian. he's not funny. he's a political commentator. he's also a presenter of the saturday five. it's albie amankona rb. i like to think i am funny. nana

well, i don't think you do it on purpose though . no, i'm teasing . purpose though. no, i'm teasing. right. so let's start off. i mean, this week has been very odd. we had the whole comment with david tennant. he kind of hit out at kemi badenoch, saying he wishes that there was a world where she wasn't here and then tried to sort of caveat it by saying, i don't wish ill of her, which is a bit absurd, really. he's an event that's supposed to be promoting diversity of sorts. >> first of all, i think he could, at least have done kemi badenoch the dignity of getting her name right. she badenoch the dignity of getting her name right . she always says her name right. she always says there's no bad in badenoch. it is kemi badenoch. and i was quite frustrated by this, actually, because the lgbt awards preaches diversity and inclusion , but not diversity of inclusion, but not diversity of thought. and there is a lot of diversity of thought in this country. and there are people with different opinions on the trans rights issue and the gender ideology issue. david has his opinion. i understand he has a non—binary child. kemi has her

opinion about how it's important to protect single—sex spaces i do think that is important and i think we should be able to have these discussions without saying things like, i wish you would shut up and i wish you would to cease exist, it seems to be a lot of that going about these days mean francesca had his bit as well with diana. but i mean, they're all coming out with nonsense, yet supposedly purporting to be on the side of compassion. and it seems diversity, as long as you are one of these four groups, lgbt, nobody else . now, we saw the nobody else. now, we saw the leaders debate as well. we had another one of those. what was your overriding view on it? >> my overriding view was that rishi sunak really ought to have been fighting this election harder earlier on. i think you hear a lot of commentary of people saying, actually, rishi sunak has performed quite well in these leaders debates, particularly this week , when he particularly this week, when he asked keir starmer whether or not he would negotiate with the ayatollah in iran about whether or not there would be some returns deal for illegal migrants crossing the channel. i think the question that

everyone's asking, at least in the conservative camp, is why haven't we seen this? rishi before? where has this rishi been? earlier on in the campaign and earlier on in his time as prime minister because i think there are lots of people thinking it's too little, too late. >> but what about keir starmer? how do you think he's been faring in these debates? >> it almost doesn't matter how keir starmer has been faring in these debates, to be honest. he's been trying to be as vague as possible , trying to be as as possible, trying to be as elusive as possible, not really revealing too much about his plans, not being bold enough for people on the left in a way to try and persuade people that he's not actually as left wing as he is. so it almost doesn't matter how keir starmer performs in these debates, i'm surprised he actually even decided to do them. being so far ahead in the polls, there's almost no reason for him to expose himself like that. and that's why we've seen quite a boring keir starmer. i wonder what it'll be like as prime minister. >> yeah, it will be fascinating to see because it is pretty much a dead cert that he will win. and i think the elections are

fascinating coming up in a couple of days time or so. what the actual dividing and seats distribution will be. i'm wondering if they will have that massive majority now . what do massive majority now. what do you make of the struggle that it seems to be that that in particular the labour party are having with the whole trans issue? >> look, the labour party have really flip flopped on this issue quite extremely. if you go back to what the labour party was saying a couple of years ago, they were very much in favour of self—id. they were very much against the cass review. they were very much in hock to campaign groups such as stonewall and more recently, their position on this has completely changed. i mean, you had wes streeting and jk rowling agreeing the other day on an issue to do with some nurses who had sued the nhs because they didn't want to share changing rooms with a trans identifying person. so they really have flip flopped on this issue, and they've flip flopped on so many things. whether or not it's the eu free movement of people

nationalising utilities. and now on this trans issue, i think a lot of people at home are concerned that when they get into government, yes , they're into government, yes, they're saying now they're not going to raise any taxes on working people, but they flip flopped on so much before, what's to say they're not going to flip flop on that too? >> well, it feels like everyone's a working person. if you work. i mean, i don't know who's going to pay the taxes if you're not going to raise the taxes on the people that are working, the only way you can do it is take taxes from people who aren't working. so that'll be interesting. or maybe on businesses capital gains tax. but then businesses, but then businesses have got working people in them. but i suppose they are businesses and not necessarily working people specifically. so i think it's all very i think it's all quite sneaky the way they're always wording it. but whoever's in power would have to do that anyway. what about ed davey? some people are saying that he's done quite well. so far. his focus has been on water and stuff like that, and it seems the main parties, i mean, i think the front cover of the times was talking about labour and also the conservatives now looking at water as an issue. >> yes, we have seen quite a fun campaign, i think, from ed

davey. i mean, i saw him doing a tennis rally as he was being interviewed by someone. of course we've seen him on, i think it was a paddle board falling in quite performatively. i think he did that on purpose. of course he did. nana so i think he's had a lot of fun this election. but actually what's quite interesting is in some polls, they actually predict that the liberal democrats rather than the conservatives, could be the official opposition next week, which would be a pretty unbelievable state of affairs if that did come to pass. so we'll see what happens next week. but i think the liberal democrats have certainly had a good election in the conservatives expense. and i think perhaps we run the risk of talking too much about reform a little bit compared to how many seats they will actually get at the next election , considering the next election, considering the next election, considering the lib dems could have something between, what, 50 or 60 seats reform might have less than ten? >> well, i don't know about that. they've had a very rocky week though this week, haven't they, nigel farage has had some of his, one of his canvassers being accused of racism. he spoke very badly. i mean, this canvasser said some absolutely abhorrent things with regard to rishi sunak. you should never be

using that kind of terminology. we all agree that that language is racist and wrong, but obviously that did not come directly from nigel and he has castigated them for it. what are your thoughts on how this might impact reform? >> look, i was horrified by the words that were spoken about the prime minister whenever that undercover report by channel 4 was recorded, i was also disappointed by what one of the other reform people said about the pride pride flag being a degenerate flag, and why the police promoting that sort of thing . nigel has tried to say thing. nigel has tried to say that that is a it is an actor and it is a stitch up. personally, i find that hard to believe. i know there are viewers at home. >> you find that that might just mean. >> yes, i find it hard to believe it does seem a bit odd that this person appears to. >> i mean, who would say that with a camera actually rolling? i mean, it's not like it was a hidden camera. the guy knew the camera was rolling. my understanding was that it was a hidden camera. >> but why would why would someone who why would someone be racist have their name easily findable online? so this could

all be exposed and then be exposed the entire country as someone that called the prime minister, the first brown prime minister, the first brown prime minister, and an effing pword, minister, and an effing p word, yet that doesn't seem plausible to me . you'd have to be pretty to me. you'd have to be pretty sadomasochistic to sacrifice yourself like that. >> i did actually have a i mean, so reform have found something that shows that he was an actor . that shows that he was an actor. >> apparently laurence fox was an actor. no one says, oh, laurence is an actor, so he's making it all up, apparently. >> i mean, this is all apparently. i mean, this is just reported stuff, so i'm not we can't verify it . but it was can't verify it. but it was confirmed that apparently he is an actor. he has apparently this is what reform was saying, that he's worked for channel 4 before. it does seem a little bit odd and just it's to me it does feel a bit setup if i'm totally honest , but i don't totally honest, but i don't know. do you think that would affect people's votes? we've got about seconds. >> obe i, i'm not sure if it will affect people's votes, to be honest. there are actually quite a lot of black and brown people who support the reform party and that goes very underreported. so i don't know that it will affect the votes

more than the putin scandal and the russia ukraine comments. but he said, i think that and i think that'll be more of an issue for them than they said that before. >> lots of them have said it before. i mean, even boris johnson said it at the start of the war. they were all talking about nato's encroachment on towards russia. so that wasn't even anything new that he was saying. and i think people are focused very much on local politics, but again, with these sort of racism rules, each of the parties have had their own issues as well. i'll be listening. we've got to leave it there. but you are back for the saturday five. i am 6:00. >> right. >> right. >> we'll be there. be square. albie will be with you at six with the saturday five. but you're with me. i'm nana akua. this is gb news. we are live on tv, online and on digital radio on the way. so brandon lewis will be joining me in the studio to give me an update on the state of the conservative party. but next, it's my roundtable discussion. has the trans debate gone too far? i'll be debating that this is gb

good afternoon. if you just tuned in, it's just coming up to 24 minutes after 3:00. this is gb news. i'm nana akua. we are britain's election channel. the election is coming soon. thursday. full coverage. do not go anywhere. keep it locked @gbnews. but now it is time for my roundtable discussion. and it seems the notion of single—sex spaces appears to be stumping many of our politicians. here's a shadow education secretary, bridget phillipson, refusing to say if a trans woman with a penis should be able to use the ladies toilets. so the trans woman with a penis would use which lavatory? >> well, look, i think it's important that all people feel safe and have dignity. >> and she needs to go to the lavatory. >> which one does she use? >> which one does she use? >> i think there are a range of opfions >> i think there are a range of options that she hasn't got a range of options. >> respectfully, she's got a she's got a door with a woman on it. >> she's got a door with a bloke on it. >> which one does she go in bridget phillipson. >> well, many businesses and

many public buildings also also provide the option. >> yes. >> yes. >> sadly, this restaurant only has one with a picture of a woman and a picture of a man. so which which which door does she go through? >> well , i go through? >> well, i would go through? >> well , i would expect they >> well, i would expect they would have a range of different options. >> so this restaurant doesn't. it's just got the two. >> so which one does she use? >> so which one does she use? >> i would want people to treat one another with respect. >> she needs to use the lavatory. shadow secretary of state. which one is she to use? >> i would hope that that person, whoever they would happen to be trans person of, you know , it's not clear. you know, it's not clear. >> and she's desperate to go to the loo and she's really getting desperate. >> now i think she's just wet herself. then david lammy appears to think biological men can grow or get a cervix. >> is it transphobic to say only women have a cervix? david i don't know if it's transphobic, but it's not. >> accurate. nick i mean, obviously you it's probably the case that only that trans women don't have ovaries, but a cervix, i understand is something that you can have following various procedures

like being born a woman and then a caller named jane has the keir starmer on the ropes on the bbc. >> and she desperately tried to get him to answer how he'll protect women whilst allowing men to self id as women and access single—sex spaces. >> jane, i am listening and i've long championed women's spaces, biological women's spaces and janeit biological women's spaces and jane it goes back many years. before i was a politician, i was the director of public prosecutions between 2008 and 2000. >> i don't i don't care about all of that. what i care about is you saying that you're going to allow men to identify as women, making grcs easier, and then they can come into women's spaces. >> jane, when it comes to women's spaces, biological women spaces in relation to the particular example i was going to point you to was when i was doing work, trying to drive up the protection for women who had been subjected to violence, domestic violence, sexual violence. >> she's not interested in the

past. >> no, past. > no, no , past. >> no, no, no, this is daily. >> no, no, no, this is daily. >> this is toilets changing rooms. just this isn't about what you have done. this is about what we want, what you have done. this is about what we want , to be done, about what we want, to be done, jane, just to hear me out. >> i don't care about what you did in the past. >> we want you to say sex cannot be changed and you will protect us from men coming into our space. >> i have protected in the past and worked with those protecting women's spaces . can you say now? women's spaces. can you say now? can you say now that you will will not allow men , biological will not allow men, biological men under any guise to come into women's safe spaces? we will, of course, protect. >> can you say that? because we shouldn't have to be kind to these very few men , you need to these very few men, you need to think about 51% of the population who are sick of the absolute twaddle that comes out of your mouth when we ask these questions. >> jane . >> jane. >> jane. >> oh, come on, it's this got to be worth it just for that. well, listen, joining me now for my roundtable discussion, miranda yardley , transsexual and human yardley, transsexual and human rights activist katie john went

diversity inclusion facilitator juua diversity inclusion facilitator julia taylor, nhs nurse. i'm going to start with you, katie. you are here in the studio . what you are here in the studio. what is wrong with these people? why why are so many people struggling with something so basic? i mean, you're a trans woman. >> i'm a trans person. >> i'm a trans person. >> i'm a trans person. >> i don't even use the word woman anymore. >> i agree i might have done in the past, but i've navigated the a space now where i recognise that it's both easier to say it's less taking of other people's language, to say it's my personal choice to no longer use that word. i'm not saying what other trans people should and do do so if people ask who i am, i say i'm a trans person. >> i quite like the person who has transitioned and the transitioning was to get rid of my gender dysphoria and less about becoming a woman, which in some respects, and biologically, you can't. >> but you can change your body. you can. you can, you can gain a neo clitoris, a neo vagina, but you certainly can't get a neo cervix. i mean, the cervix is impossible. >> what is he talking about though? he actually said that out loud though. this is one of our potential. i think what is

potentially the foreign secretary, this is what he's going for. >> and if it's all foreign to him, clearly. >> yeah, exactly. that's what's foreign. very good. i love it. right. let's have a quick chat with miranda. miranda of yardley. she joins us now. she's a transsexual and human rights activist . miranda, why are these activist. miranda, why are these people struggling? are they? i don't understand why the politicians are struggling. is it simple that, quite frankly, you act as the space of your biology? otherwise, hopefully there's a third space that you can use. what's your view on all of that ? of that? >> well, i think we're already struggling with this and with total respect to you , nana, total respect to you, nana, you're talking to a bloke and you're talking to a bloke and you refer to me as she we everyone has been inculcated into this absolutely awful way that you are expected to talk about a particular, a particular small group of men and rather than accept reality out of some sort of newfangled social etiquette that you're expected to follow , and if you don't, you

to follow, and if you don't, you are you are punished. >> absolutely terribly, you you're just expected to do this now with the politicians. i was at a local labour husting on this last monday in southend, where i live, and frankly, it was embarrassing to hear what people had to say, the, the way that keir starmer was , quite that keir starmer was, quite frankly, hooked and flailing around was , was, was completely around was, was, was completely embarrassing. and at at best, if one was to be charitable, one would consider perhaps, that he was more worried about his job than anything else. well, you see, i do it because i don't, you know, if somebody wants to be, i don't necessarily have an issue with the pronouns, although there is a moment where i do have an issue with it, but i do have an issue with it, but i just feel that if somebody wants to be called that, i can do that and show the respect that they deserve. but i'm not deluded into thinking that they are the sex, that they tell me that with the pronoun that i need to use. i want to come to juue need to use. i want to come to julie taylor. now, julie, there was a case with some nurses,

wasn't there, where they were forced to share a female only spaces with somebody who was a trans woman, and they weren't comfortable with that. we actually had them on gb news. you're a nurse. what is your view on where we're going with this? well, i don't know. it's just getting absolutely, ridiculously out of hand. >> nana i mean, if i, i'm a gay woman myself and my colleagues, a lot of them are straight. some of them are gay. if i walked into a changing room and it was full of females that were straight getting undressed, i would walk straight back out and i'd be mortified. i would prefer for myself where there could be male or female or other, and i would happily go in the other changing room to get changed. if we had to get changed. luckily we had to get changed. luckily we don't, but i wouldn't want to make people feel uncomfortable to and me, this trans movement seems all about making people feel uncomfortable. i grew up in the 1980s and 90s, where homophobia was quite rife, and

there was a big gay movement all we wanted was to be accepted and recognised. why can't trans people want that as well? and by that i don't mean all trans people, because i do know a lot of trans women who are lovely people and i'm friends with them and they would be like me. they get embarrassed . they wouldn't get embarrassed. they wouldn't want to get changed. in a female changing room. they'd want to go in the male and they're not bothered. why can't everybody be like that? it's just gone absolutely out of hand because katie , we have you and we've got miranda. >> perfectly sane individuals who aren't saying or parroting this narrative or forcing this down people's throats. i don't understand where do you think it's gone? so weirdly out of sync with? well, most people. >> well, i think what's changed is we have we've had several eras of trans . eras of trans. >> we've had a very small number of people in the past who've transitioned, and most people with a kind of peculiarly kind

of wonderful britishness have done the toleration thing, which is sure, get on with it. >> you're trans, you're the only trans in the village kind of thing. and then after that, we, we actually created, you might say, the medical technology to make these possibilities happen. and once you've let the kind of open pandora's box and got the genie out of the bottle, it's almost impossible to put the stopper back in. okay. yes. after cass review, we're putting the stopper back in around, younger people. but around adults, you're never going to put the stopper back in. what we now need to do is to try to find a way, a third way, if you want. for some kind of accommodations in society, instead of the rush to kind of gender neutral toilets, actually say, well, yeah, let's have gender neutral toilets and have single use cubicles. but in addition to male and female, and start doing additive inclusion rather than replacement inclusion. >> i hear you the final word to miranda. you've got about 30s. miranda, a final word to you , miranda, a final word to you, yeah. >> i mean, the, i think we could talk all day as to where this has come from, i don't think

there's any danger at all of a trans male . a man who thinks trans male. a man who thinks he's a woman using a men's toilet . toilet. >> and if you would like to let the woman speak, maybe you could. >> for the woman to finish the second section. >> yeah. go on then, julia. final word to you. >> wrong doesn't cease to be wrong just because everyone's doing it right doesn't cease to be right just because no one's doing it. and i just wish everybody would realise that. >> lovely. thank you very much, miranda yardley. really good to talk to you. transsexual and human rights activist katie john went. thank you for coming in. diversity and inclusion facilitator juliet taylor. and she's a nurse . thank you very she's a nurse. thank you very much, julia. thank you very much to all of you. so what do you think? get in touch, gbnews.com/yoursay. i'll read some of those things. coming up, my monologue on sleepy joe biden. should he step down from his duties as president. but first, here are your latest headlines. >> nana, thank you very much. good afternoon to you. >> it's just after 3:30, the top

stories reform uk has now reported channel 4 to the electoral commission, accusing the broadcaster of election interference. the network released footage showing a campaigner using a racial slur to describe prime minister rishi sunak. to describe prime minister rishi sunak . in that recording, sunak. in that recording, campaigner andrew parker also suggested that migrants should be used, as he said , target be used, as he said, target practice well. in a letter to the independent regulator, the party has claimed it was entirely evident they say, that the undercover news piece was a set up and that comes as the party's leader, nigel farage, is also now refusing to appear on the bbc's sunday political programme until it apologises for what he calls their dishonest question time audience . our longer term plan. sir keir starmer is pledging to introduce a new armed forces commissioner and to lead a government of service if labour is elected. it comes as shadow defence secretary john healey says labouris secretary john healey says labour is now the natural party of defence . mr healey said his of defence. mr healey said his party will do better by soldiers and their families . meanwhile,

and their families. meanwhile, the prime minister will hail the duty, dedication and selfless personal sacrifice of servicemen and women as he marks armed forces day today . rishi sunak forces day today. rishi sunak has claimed that his is the only party to meet the help for heroes veterans pledge , and heroes veterans pledge, and between 30 and 40 volunteers have now been deployed in a mountainous part of tenerife to look for british tourists. jay slater, the 19 year old has been missing since last monday. the search, now into its 13th day, is covering a huge area of rugged hills and steep cliffs . rugged hills and steep cliffs. well, those are the latest gb news headlines. for now, i'm sam francis. i'll be back with more in the next half hour for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code, or go to gbnews.com. >> forward slash alerts . >> forward slash alerts. >> forward slash alerts. >> we'll stop to calm political

research director at savanta chris hopkins will be in the political hot seat to shine a light on the latest polls. are we? as we're less than a week away from the general election next to brandon lewis will be joining me live in the studio. do not anywhere.

welcome back. this is gb news. welcome back. this is gb news. we are live on tv, online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua. i'm joined now by the former conservative justice secretary, sir brandon lewis. brandon we chatted yesterday about the future of the conservative party. does it actually have a future? it's a bit. it's a bit on the ropes at the moment. >> yeah it does. and not just because it's the oldest, historically the oldest democratic political party in the world, but because it's got the world, but because it's got the strength of its membership. it's still going to have a good number of good people in parliament. what we've got to do is make sure we're focused on how we rebuild, how we rejuvenate. if we're in

opposition on friday, because obviously we've got to see what happens on thursday yet. but but there is an opportunity there. and actually in the modern world, i think we're going to see personally, i think there's a really big possibility we're going to see bigger shifts at every election because people, i think will be voting much more tactically, much more volatility. we'll see across elections where people are voting for who they think suits them today, not just who they always for. vote social and digital media is going to play a big part in that. with the growth of tiktok, snapchat, instagram and twitter, etc. x now all of these things, people are getting their information and understanding a different way, and it's going to be the party and the politicians and the members who grasp that and run with it. >> well, you say that, but you didn't listen to your members, didn't listen to your members, did you? >> your members preferred liz truss, but the parliamentary party decided that they wanted rishi sunak. so you installed rishi sunak. so you installed rishi sunak. so you installed rishi sunak into the position as leader, and now we find ourselves here. do you guys regret getting rid of boris johnson? >> well, as i said to you last night, i think when you look back at somebody who got an 80

majority and i said this to bons majority and i said this to boris at the time, i think the reality for boris at the time was he had that real problem with not getting enough parliamentarians to be able to back him and the numbers, the numbers. but for us as a party, there has to be a lesson. he's somebody who has got a mandate from the public and our members. and liz did, and i was a liz supporter, to have that mandate to go and run, we should respect that. i think one of the lessons for the party in the next few months, if we're in a position where we are in opposition, is we've got to remember we are a membership based party. the reason we survived so long is because of our members. we have to respect their views and listen to them. >> but it wasn't just really, with regard to boris, not being able to fill the people in his seat, you know, within the party, because obviously it was all the backstabbing. i mean, you've had. everyone was turning against him. they literally did anything you had. he was up for the 1922 committee. harriet harman, you had all these people within his own party as well, all trying to get rid of him. do you not think that the a lot of people looked at that and find that quite, quite ugly? and the worry is, i think for many

people is that if you if you do find yourself in opposition, that actually who's going to be leading your party? well, look, i think it's rishi sunak i doubt that you're going to keep him. >> well, look, i as i say, i think it's i think it's fair to say the public and our members, particularly with all the effort they put in, they work hard week in, week out, and then they see what they, from their point of view and the public see conservatives changing, leaders infighting. as you say, it's terrible. my view has always been. and when i was chairman, i remember looking at this nothing huns remember looking at this nothing hurts our poll rating worse than when we're perceived to be infighting and all of this, infighting and all of this, infighting or the perception of infighting. colleagues who are thinking about their own career, rather than thinking about the wider party, the perception of that, at the very least, that is challenging for us. and i think we've got to learn the lesson of discipline. we've seen a very disciplined labour party over the last six months. there's no secret about the fact that we're not really debating the issues in this election. >> well, they've all voted for labour because people aren't voting for us rather than voting for something labour are offering, because none of us really know what their package

is. >> well, it's probably because you've made such a mess of it. i mean, obviously not you personally, but you know, anybody looking at we've all got culpability. i served in that 80 seat majority which started to wither away after misconduct. for many of your the mps within the party and then eventually all the infighting, you didn't actually need an opposition at all. >> and i think we're seeing this, as i say, at the moment. you know, i think rishi sunak and the team have done a very good job of highlighting the tax risks from labour, the lack of detail about what they're going to do about for young people or pensioners. actually, that's because they're getting away with that, because people are focused on what they feel. we haven't done and we've got to learn from that. and i think we've got to be very clear about setting out a very clear message about what we're doing for young people. i personally think we need to be doing more to offer on housing, what we're doing for people across the board, easing the tax burden, easing the regulatory burden for businesses, letting people run their lives and being a real contrast to what labour would do if they. >> why did the conservative party? rishi sunak came out fighting in the debates, a lot of people said he did really well. sir keir starmer did not come across as well. i don't think that's groundbreaking information. i watched it ,

think that's groundbreaking information. i watched it, i thought the same thing. people are asking why on earth did rishi sunak get his mojo back just now? when you guys have beenin just now? when you guys have been in government for 14 years and rishi, for at least two of those, or around about two of those, or around about two of those, why on earth could could you guys not have moved more swiftly and done some of the things he's talking about then rather than now? >> well, to be fair, i think the government has had a real challenge since 2019. i think it's very easy to forget just how challenging covid was and how challenging covid was and how everything. no, i haven't forgotten, you know. i know you haven't, but i think i've sort of talking general history. there was a whole period where government was focused on covid. obviously the war in ukraine, obviously the middle east. now with the abomination we saw on the 7th of october last year. so all of these things have played into the ability to do things. i think what rishi is, let me just finish. i think what rishi is outlining and had the opportunity to outline in the last few weeks is what a conservative government that he leads going forward wants to do, and i would even be leading . and i would even be leading. still the best option for people out there. that's why they should vote. >> he is unlikely to be leading it because we've seen what the conservatives do to their leaders. so even if he pitches

all these proposals, the problem is nobody trusts or believes that you will keep the same leader because they've seen so much infighting. and as for all of this, this gender ideology that has emerged during the tenure of the conservative party, a lot of people will look at that and say, well, why on earth did you not confirm or solidify biological sex within the equalities act? why is it now kemi badenoch of people like you are talking about it? after all of this is going on? why are all of this is going on? why are all these things that you could have done then you're not doing? and now he's saying, to be fair, look, some of this we have been doing. >> so when i was justice secretary, actually, i started the, the change, the rules. that meant that prisons, women's prisons were for women, biological women and not transgender, because that's not fair on women who have suffered rape and safety of women in prison. so that was back in late 2022. so we have started that work and been delivering on that work. and i think what's happenedin work. and i think what's happened in this election is and particularly with the comments from david tennant the other day, is it's just re highlighted this issue. i think kemi was absolutely right to call that out, and we've got to be people have got to be free to be able to talk openly. and one of the big things about our country is

that freedom of speech. and that means we've got to defend it. whichever your whatever your view is, people should have the right to do that freely. and i think part of the challenge we're seeing in politics at the moment is the individual attacks on people in any format. is, is, is distracting us from actually the big political issues of the day. and we've got to find a way of getting politics back to talking about what politics can deliver for people. and that's where i think the conservatives have set out a manifesto that delivers a positive thing about what we want to do, but people have to give us a chance to do that on thursday. >> well, i think a lot of people think you've had a lot of chances, but freedom of speech within the law and also freedom of speech, if you say you can say what you like, but it will have consequences, it doesn't. yeah, people get a bit confused about that and think, i can say whatever. i like freedom of speech. yeah, you can, but it could put you in jail, it could put you in jail. >> and also not everybody's going to agree with you. exactly. and whether people agree with you doesn't decide whether you're there, right or you're right. that's about that's what debate is about. that's what freedom of speech actually means. and we should be defending that. it's not that we've come to the place where some people think that they can say whatever they like, and nothing will happen, what are you doing next, then? because

you doing next, then? because you are not going to stand in this election. where are you going now? >> well, i will still be helping the party. i will be doing my bit. will you be out knocking on doors? >> lords? are you going to be in the lords? >> i don't know, that's at the moment i've got business i want to do. i was in business before i was in politics. i want to go back into business. what kind of business? down the line, i'm involved with private education. i'm involved with, some social and digital media companies. a big telecoms nasdaq listed company and an investment fund . company and an investment fund. so a range of you've got lots of quite interesting things, but i will still be, as i have been over the last few days, helping the conservative party, getting that message out there and working to convince people on thursday next week to vote conservative. and in the years ahead, as well. >> well, you know, let's, it'll be interesting if they do and the results will speak for themselves. but we shall see those days a big day. thank you very much, brandon lewis, thank you very much for joining me. well, and today, i'll tell you what's going on today. our armed forces, it's armed forces day. sir keir starmer has been speaking to an event at an event discussing labour plans for a defence spending . defence spending. >> we do want to get to 2.5, and

it's really important that that's consistent with fiscal rules. first thing we will do is carry out a strategic review of resources of capability to make sure that the money we are spending is spent effectively on the things that we need. but today is armed forces day, so it is the opportunity to say thank you to all of those who are serving and who have served, and to remember the contribution that they have made to our country to and make clear our determination that if we win the election on thursday, we will make sure that politics is about service to the country as well. it's a huge difference between those that are elected into office, and those in the house office, and those in the house of lords and in the house of lords. we've got a very big chamber. it's the second biggest political chamber in the world, but we need to reduce it. and that's why we've got a sensible position in relation to the age

at which people will retire from the house of lords. >> okay, that's keir starmer. it is armed forces day to day. we may pick up a speech of his later on this afternoon around about 530, but next political research director at savanta, chris hopkins, will be in the political hot seat to shine a light on the latest polls in my political spotlight. do not anywhere

right. it's a super snappy, quick political spotlight. joining me to shine a light on all the research that's going on is chris hopkins from savanta. he's the director, research director. now, chris, we've got about a minute, but then after that, if you will stay, we want to get you to chat to our panel as well. so very briefly give us an update. well how is the polling looking. and in particular have things like comments from nigel what's happening in nigel farage's camp. have they reduced, what reform are doing etc.

>> we haven't really seen that nana to be honest. i think reform are holding pretty steady at the moment. you know, we still have them below the conservative party are the pollsters don't, but they're still pretty. they're still a fairly comfortable at least third at the minute. and yeah, it doesn't seem that any of nigel farage's comments or those comments from other reform uk candidates and activists have seemed to have had much of an impact on their polling numbers at the moment. >> all right. well, listen briefly. where are we now? you've got 10s. then we'll bring you back. >> yeah. so i mean, the labour lead seems to be holding steady, but their their vote share is coming down. it seems that that's probably not going to have a massive impact because frankly, the conservative vote share has fallen through the floor since the campaign started to. >> all right. >> all right. >> listen chris. well done. good job. we'll see you in a moment. this is dup news. >> looks like things are heating up. boxt boilers sponsors of weather on gb news >> hello there. welcome to your latest gb news, weather forecast

from the met office over the coming days. the weather is going to be a little bit mixed. some of us will see some rain but most of us should see some sunshine from time to time. so as we end saturday, we've still got this weak area of low pressure to the west of the uk that will continue to bring in some cloud and rain across parts of northern england and wales. that will slowly work its way south eastwards as we go through the course of the night. either side, plenty of clear skies, but still the risk of some blustery showers across the far north of scotland under the clear skies , scotland under the clear skies, temperatures falling down to about 10 or 11 degrees for most of us, but under the cloud coven of us, but under the cloud cover, not much lower than around 15 or 16 degrees. so a bit of a grey start across many southern parts of the uk. this cloud will be thick enough at times to produce the odd spot of rain, but as the morning goes on, it will gradually begin to break up and turn drier. but the best of the sunshine first thing will be across parts of wales into the midlands , northern into the midlands, northern england, where further north across northern ireland and scotland will see a mixture of

some sunshine and also a few showers. most frequent showers will be probably across shetland and orkney, where still there'll be a fairly keen wind as we go through the course of sunday. most of us actually should see some plenty of dry weather, a mixture of cloud and some sunshine. the cloud tended to bubble up during the middle of the day before easing away again as we head into the latter part of the afternoon. best of the sunshine, probably down towards the south—west, but with this north westerly flow it will feel a little bit cooler than it has been on saturday. highest temperatures in the south, reaching around 21 or 22 degrees. very little changes as we end the weekend. a fairly fine end to sunday, but you can see this next area of rain just beginning to move in across the west, and that will give a fairly wet start for some to the new working week. but generally plenty of dry weather to be had, especially in the south. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers sponsors of weather

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woman in history to be tunisia's minister of tourism and ceo of the education outcomes fund, where she'll share her inspiring story. but before we get started, let's get the latest news headlines . news headlines. >> now, anna, thank you very much and good afternoon to you . much and good afternoon to you. it's just coming up to 4:01. the top story this afternoon. reform uk has reported channel 4 to the electoral commission accusing the broadcaster of election interference. the network had released footage showing a campaigner from the party using a racial slur to describe the prime minister campaigner andrew parker also suggested that migrants should be used, as he said, target practice in that recording. in a letter to the independent regulator, the party claims it was entirely evident that the undercover news piece was a set up. well, that comes as party leader nigel farage is also refusing to appear on the bbc's sunday political programme until it apologises for what he

calls their dishonest question time audience . labour leader sir time audience. labour leader sir keir starmer is pledging today to introduce a new armed forces commissioner and to lead a government of service if labour is elected. it comes as shadow defence secretary john healey says that labour is now the natural party of defence. mr healey said his party will do better by soldiers and their families. meanwhile, the labour leader praised army personnel but refused to commit to a 2.5% defence spend. >> we do want to get to 2.5, and it's really important that that's consistent with fiscal rules . the first thing we'll do rules. the first thing we'll do is carry out a strategic review of resources of capability to make sure that the money we are spending is spent effectively on the things that we need. but today is armed forces day, so it is the opportunity to say thank you to all of those who are serving and have served , and to

serving and have served, and to remember the contribution that they have made to our country. >> and the prime minister has also hailed the duty, the dedication and selfless personal sacrifice of servicemen and women as he marked armed forces day. today, rishi sunak claims his is the only party to meet the help for heroes veterans pledge. that pledge requires parties to commit to keeping the office for veterans affairs , office for veterans affairs, commissioning an independent review of the medical discharge process and ensuring the veterans get the benefits and compensations that they deserve. well security minister tom tugendhat told gb news this morning that armed forces day is more than just one day a year. >> armed forces day, for those of us who are veterans, isn't just one day a year. it you know, we live with our service good and bad, throughout the year. good and bad, throughout the year . and for some of us, that year. and for some of us, that can be bring back painful memories. but it can also bring back huge moments of pride, of having served alongside some of the best that our country has to offer. look at the record. look at what johnny mercer has achieved as the minister for

veterans affairs, and look at what the prime minister has achieved in creating that cabinet position for veterans affairs . we've got op resolute affairs. we've got op resolute and op courage that help veterans who may be finding life just a little bit difficult . just a little bit difficult. >> tom tugendhat, they're speaking to us earlier. well, from the liberal democrats. the leader, sir ed davey, has said that his party want to increase the number of troops in the army. >> well, our first priority and armed forces day is to remember our veterans and to say to the armed force personnel who's serving the moment, we want to make sure the way you're treated is much better, much better housing, much better health services. >> and we want to increase the number of troops in our british army. they're being cut by 10,000. we would get rid of those cuts and that's what we do immediately treat our veterans and our armed force personnel better and invest in our great british army in the long term. we want to get to 2.5% of national income spent on defence. >> well, in other news, away from the election campaign

trail, more than 30 volunteers have now joined an expanded search effort in tenerife in the search effort in tenerife in the search for missing teenager jay slater. it's nearly two weeks since he went missing. hikers and locals are among those who've turned up to help, and we understand they're now focusing on areas in the north of the island that's close to where the 19 year old's last no, no last known location was . and in the known location was. and in the us, president joe biden says he intends to win in november's election amid calls for him to step down after his performance in the debate. he's been speaking at a rally in north carolina, where democrats are hoping to win the state back from republicans in the election. he claimed that america itself is at stake and accused former us president donald trump of repeatedly lying and said he has the morals of an alley cat . here, a woman and said he has the morals of an alley cat. here, a woman has been injured and others attacked by an xl bully dog in greater manchester, police were called to a street in eccles last night to a street in eccles last night to reports of a dog dangerously

out of control. video online has showed armed officers chasing the dog. it's a banned breed and failing to restrain it. it was then shot dead. two men were arrested after confronting police and a woman has been arrested after video footage emerged showing a prison officer having sex with an inmate in a cell . it's said to have happened cell. it's said to have happened at wandsworth jail in south london. the metropolitan police are saying that woman is being held on suspicion of misconduct in public office. the prison service has also said it doesn't tolerate staff corruption . a man tolerate staff corruption. a man has died and seven are ill in hospital after taking a potentially contaminated sleeping pill. potentially contaminated sleeping pill . cleveland police sleeping pill. cleveland police said that the man was thought to have taken the medication from a possibly compromised batch of zopiclone. it said seven other people who were believed to have taken the pills had been taken to north tees general hospital on friday. police are now urging anyone with information to get

in touch and finally, coldplay will make history later tonight as the first act to ever headune as the first act to ever headline glastonbury for five times when they perform at the festival this evening, the grammy award winning band first played the pyramid stage in 2002, and they also topped the bill in 2005, 2011 and in 2016. well tonight they follow on from dua lipa, who was the headline act last night. dua lipa, who was the headline act last night . those are the act last night. those are the latest gb news headlines. for now, i'm sam francis and i'll be back with another update in the next half hour for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone , sign up to news smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code, or go to gbnews.com forward slash alerts . slash alerts. >> good afternoon. you're with me, i'm anna aguirre. this is gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. it's just coming up to eight minutes after 4:00. i thought i would do this on joe biden's top five gaffes. to be

honest, there was so much to choose from. it was difficult to decide which one was the worst. at number five. don't you hate it when this happens? >> percentage of women who registered to vote and cast a ballot is consistently higher than the percentage of the men who do so. end of quote. repeat the line. women are not without electoral and or political. or maybe precise, not and or or political power , camera six. political power, camera six. >> no, sorry. he's reading the stage notes. oh, god, we've all done it. not at number four. president biden took another tumble whilst on the stage set as he was speaking at the air force academy . force academy. the white house later blamed it on a sandbag. i've watched the video a few times. i can't see one there. play it again. at

number three at the g7 in, at the g7, he went to las vegas and he confuses world leaders with their dead predecessors. emmanuel macron with francois mitterrand, who died in 1996. >> there is some movement, and i don't want to i don't want to maybe choose my words . there's maybe choose my words. there's some movement. there's been a response from the. there's been a response from the opposition. but yes, i'm sorry from hamas, but it seems to be, a little over the top . we're not sure over the top. we're not sure where it is. there's a continuing negotiation right now was obviously when joe biden got

hamas confused, then the leader of the free world decided to take what looks like an imaginary dump. or maybe he was just squatting because he thought that there was a chair behind him when attempting to. i don't know who's attending the normandy d—day commemorations since you got more questions , since you got more questions, but i tell it, if you have a problem figuring out whether you're for me or trump and you ain't black. right. that was the wrong clip again. but that was the one about if you ain't black, you don't vote democrat, which was a bit odd because that's people for vote whoever they want of all colours. and then at number one. >> eligible for what i've been able to do with the with the covid. excuse me , with, dealing covid. excuse me, with, dealing with everything we have to do with, look , if we finally beat

medicare. >> thank you, president biden , >> thank you, president biden, on the total initiative relative to what we're going to do with more border patrol and more asylum officers, president trump , i really don't know what he said at the end of that sentence. >> i don't think he knows what he said, either. look, i'd be happy to have a driving contest with him. the reason i got my handicap, which when i was vice president down to a six, that's the biggest lie that he's a six handicap of all. i was an eight handicap. yeah, eight. but you know how many i've seen you swing. i know you swing . swing. i know you swing. >> i think perhaps joe biden was also editing my clips. listen, if you just joined us, welcome loads. still to come? do not go anywhere . it's great, isn't it? anywhere. it's great, isn't it? when you're talking about other people's gaffe and then you gaffe yourself. wonderful. right? before we start to get stuck into the debates, here's what else is coming up today for the great british debate this houn the great british debate this hour. i'm asking, are our

politicians the wrong class of people? that is, after david lammy's comments over the tory party. is he guilty of reverse snobbery, then for the great british debate this hour that's coming up. then at 450 it's my royal round up. lady colin campbell will be here with the latest from behind the palace walls at five. my difficult conversations amal kabul, ceo of the education outcome fund, will be live in the studio that is on the way in the next hour as even the way in the next hour as ever. tell me what you think on everything we're discussing. get in touch gbnews.com/yoursay . in touch gbnews.com/yoursay. right. let's welcome again my panellist , right. let's welcome again my panellist, broadcaster and columnist lizzie cundy and also former labour mp bill rammell. lizzie cundy. i'll come straight to you. oh goodness, joe biden. i mean, like i said, there were so many options. we just got mixed up with what to do. >> there's so many. >> there's so many. >> it's embarrassing, it's cringeworthy. but most of all it's dangerous and i cannot fathom why his own wife won't

pull him aside and say, hey , pull him aside and say, hey, honey, time is up. you're not well . he is honey, time is up. you're not well. he is obviously not honey, time is up. you're not well . he is obviously not fit well. he is obviously not fit for purpose now. i stayed up to watch this with a fellow friend from america who is very liberal actually, and they just want him to go immediately. i mean, we couldn't understand what he was saying. he was slurring. he was stuttering. he didn't make sense. i mean, even trump couldn't understand. he he even said to him, i can't understand what you're saying. i don't know what you're saying. i don't know what he's saying. and trump was just looking at him the whole time like, you know, he had a bad smell under his nose. it, you know, one point in this, the health was brought up and trump said, look, i'm as fit as i ever have been. and biden just didn't know what to say . stood there know what to say. stood there looking like a rabbit in the headlights . it looking like a rabbit in the headlights. it is dangerous and i'm worried for our future. they need to remove him immediately. >> nana well , need to remove him immediately. >> nana well, i don't understand why they didn't do it sooner. bill rammell surely we can all see i've seen it years ago. i

mean, two years ago i was looking at him, thinking. in fact, even when he became elected, i couldn't quite get it. but what do you think, bill? >> i'll declare an interest. >> i'll declare an interest. >> i've always been a strong admirer of joe biden. he was a very good senator. >> he was a very good vice president to barack obama, and he's actually been a good president . president. >> you know, he's delivered a growth rate that we'd give our right arm for in this country. >> do you really think that he's actually compos mentis and is actually compos mentis and is actually doing the work, or do you not think that there's somebody else behind him? >> no, no, no, i think he is. but i think public appearances are a challenge. and look, this thursday was a tipping point for me. although i'm a great joe biden fan, it was excruciating. it was sad. he came across as a frail old man, and he came across as confused. i also think donald trump is a monster and a danger to democracy if he's re—elected. so i think, the powers that be within the democratic party, i hope his wife are going to persuade joe to stand down as the candidate. he'll carry on for six months as

president, but then the democrats can coalesce around an alternative candidate at the convention. >> listen, i feel sympathy for him , of course. and that would him, of course. and that would have been the last part of my monologue where i do feel sympathy for him. but the reality is, and i'm really surprised at you, bill, that you can't be honest and just say that this man was not fit for office. well before this time. and how you and i, i mean, i could see you could sit at home, right? you could sit at home. >> everyone i meet, everyone i know, my friends in america, they all feel that. and not everyone thinks he's been a good president. under biden's watch, the ukraine war happened. trump always said it wouldn't have happened if he was president. >> but that's complete nonsense . >> but that's complete nonsense. >> but that's complete nonsense. >> donald trump cosied up to vladimir putin. >> the evacuation of afghanistan as well . many things. the as well. many things. the absolute disaster started under trump. let me finish what's going on with china and taiwan. he hasn't got the strength. people are laughing at him globally. he is a laughing stock. he has to go. if he loves

his country, he would step down. and why won't he? because he doesn't think there's anything wrong. no, you can see that. and joe and his wife loves to be first lady and be in the limelight. >> you know, they're doing it for the wrong reasons. >> if you want to talk about a joke, look back at the trump presidency. this is a man who lied on an industrial scale. he's a convicted criminal. he's a moral vacuum. you know, he urged people during the covid pandemic, pandemic to inject themselves with bleach. >> this is not true. that's not what he says. i watched the press conference where he said , press conference where he said, we are, we are, we are. we are, we are, we are. we are, we are, we are. >> no, no, no no no , no. >> no, no, no no no, no. >> bleach to inject it. >> bleach to inject it. >> no to protect you. he said that if >> no to protect you. he said thatifis >> no to protect you. he said that if is there anything the way that bleach gets rid of things, is there anything that we have that we can use like bleach to kill this thing in people's lives, which he said in the midst of a pandemic was grossly, grossly irresponsible. what you said. and he tried to misquote what he said , and he misquote what he said, and he tried to overturn a democratic election. >> and he encouraged vandals to march on capitol hill. so i

think he's a danger to democracy. >> stop. >> stop. >> hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. no, no no no, you hold on. no he cannot make people march on a hill. they march on a hill. they are responsible. encourage them. no, let me finish. and also, with regard to the injected bleach, again , this the injected bleach, again, this is the way people disingenuously swift it to try and make it sound worse than what he was actually saying. a lot of people understood the meaning that he was trying to allude to, and frankly, a lot of people think that the election, there was some sort of weird thing going on with a lot of those odd machines, were suddenly they everything switched off and there were weird counts going on. so actually, maybe he might be right on many of those. but listen, stay with us. this is gb news. we are live on tv, online and on digital radio. coming up, my round up and we will have lady colin campbell will give us the latest from behind the palace walls next, the great british debate. i'm asking our our politicians the wrong class of people. i've got to pull up right now on asking you that very question. are our politicians the wrong class of people? that is coming

>> on mark dolan tonight. in my big opinion, the american people have no choice but to put donald trump in the white house. >> following joe biden's catastrophic tv appearance this week . week. >> this has become a national security threat for america and the world. >> and in my take at ten, as woke revellers celebrate illegal migrants crossing the channel glastonbury is a festival of double standards. we're live at nine. >> good afternoon. if you've just tuned in, where have you been? welcome. this is gb news. we're live on tv, online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua. we are britain's election channel. but let's get back now to our pollster, political research director at savanta, chris hopkins , because we have about a

hopkins, because we have about a minute with him earlier, and i wanted to get, some more information out of him. so give me a rundown what is happening with the current polling for each of the parties and what is the general trajectory, because a lot of people are saying that the liberal democrats are turning in to be the second party. >> yeah. i mean, so there is there is potential, i think nana for, for, ed davey, frankly, to be leader of the opposition, come july the 5th, i think, you know, ultimately, our electoral system is the conservative's best friend until it isn't. and it might well turn out to. absolutely not be and really punish them at this election, frankly. and that's a lot down to reform uk. you know, obviously i haven't mentioned the liberal democrats yet, but what is ultimately happening is reform uk are taking votes away from the conservative party, and thatis from the conservative party, and that is reducing the threshold in each constituency that the labour party and the liberal democrats need to win. so in those conservative lib dem marginals, the liberal democrats don't need to reach the heights of 40% anymore, potentially to win them. they may only need 30 or 35. and that's the same for the labour party. that could

potentially really reduce the conservative seat number, perhaps below 100, maybe even, you know, around the sort of 70 and 50 mark. and therefore the liberal democrats could just pip them to the post. and obviously we're still expecting the labour party to have a pretty sizeable majority, 200, maybe 250 seats in the house of commons, so we're saying a supermajority, will that mean that they have to sit on the opposition benches as well ? well? >> now, i guess in terms of pure space, yeah, i guess they'll have to. >> i hadn't actually considered that number, to be honest. >> but but yeah, i mean, in theory , yes. and you know, there theory, yes. and you know, there is only finite space on, on one side of the house for, for the government benches. so, so, so yeah, i mean, we could, we could ultimately end up seeing a really, really different and unique house of commons, one that, you know, obviously we haven't seen in my lifetime and perhaps we haven't seen for generations. >> but i know the labour party obviously playing it down because otherwise people might get lazy. is there still a large proportion of people who have are undecided because when i asked people, they don't know

what they're going to do ? what they're going to do? >> yeah, i think there are a proportion of people that are undecided. i think, you know, we at savanta, we ask people how they're likely to vote, and then we ask those that are undecided or squeeze question . we try and or squeeze question. we try and squeeze them down. we still give them an undecided option and those do tend to have voted conservative in 2019. but those that do then tell us something they're less likely to be voting conservative than they perhaps were a year ago. and in fact, the ones that do end up giving us a party are tending to break for the labour party for reform uk, or for the liberal democrats almost just as much. or if not more than they do for the conservatives. so i think this idea that the undecided voters are still a large pool , for are still a large pool, for which the conservatives to tap into, is perhaps, you know, not not a guarantee. but at the same time , given what's happened to time, given what's happened to the conservative party over the last couple of years , if you last couple of years, if you haven't switched away from them now, are you going to or maybe these these voters will just sit on their hands and not turn up. on july the fourth? >> yeah. okay. so a final prediction on seats then for each of the main sort of four parties. >> so i think reform will get a

seat.i >> so i think reform will get a seat. i think it's really challenging ultimately in in in the british political system again under first past the post for them to get one. but i think that they're going to do it. it could be well—being. clacton. i think we also can't rule out a few other seats, for, you know, for for, richard tice and, and some of the other more high profile reform uk, candidates, i think the liberal democrats will be above 50. whether they can get above 70 remains to be seen, but this could be one, you know, their best, general election performance in terms of seats. i think the conservatives will be under 100. and therefore mathematically, i think the labour party are going to be well above 400. frankly wow. >> scary stuff. chris hopkins, thank you very much. he's the research director at savanta. so potential super majority . a lot potential super majority. a lot of people think that that challenge is democracy. thank you so much, chris. but now it's time for the great british debate this hour. i'm asking, are our politicians the wrong class of people ? david lammy has class of people? david lammy has claimed that the tories are not the right class of people to be running britain because of their pubuc running britain because of their public school smallness, the shadow foreign secretary said in an in an interview that angela raynen

an in an interview that angela rayner, labour's deputy leader, was, by contrast, somebody who gets it. the shadow secretary foreign secretary described the conservative party as being like a certain class of individuals at the end of the raj, not really having an account of the future. others, however, have accused labour of being guilty of reverse snobbery and said that david lammy's remarks reflect the desire of labour to wage class war. so what do you think of the great british debate this out? i'm asking, are our politicians the wrong class of people? joining me now , james of people? joining me now, james matthewson, a former labour party spokesperson and also stephen carlton—woods, a political commentator. i've got to start with you, james. surely this is really bad from our i mean, seriously, james, this is a bit off for david lammy to be saying things like this. surely >> why? >> why? >> it's true. >> it's true. >> what does he mean by what does he mean by the wrong class or wrong class of person? >> well , they're not >> well, they're not representative of the british

people as a whole. >> here's the thing. >> here's the thing. >> i mean, the problem is we've had the same people from the same background in britain running the show for i mean, we're talking in excess of 300 years. >> you know, it's been the same people from the same backgrounds, from the same schools, from the same kind of families. and they are no way now more than ever, there are fewer than them, than there are anybody else in this country with any kind of social, economic background. and there is just not the representation . is just not the representation. now that's talking about the people who've been in like cabinet, the people who've been running the country, the boris johnson's, the david cameron's of the world. >> however, even on top of that , >> however, even on top of that, now your average mp has a socioeconomic background. >> this is across the parties that you know is higher than the majority of working class people in britain , and therefore in britain, and therefore they're out of touch. >> and the real danger with this is that they are it's the house of commons. >> remember that they're meant to be representative of people and normal people, and they need

to understand day to day struggles. and it's people like angela rayner who have a similar background to myself, who will be able to do that more than anyone. >> oh, come on, listen. all right. bridget phillipson . yeah. right. bridget phillipson. yeah. do you know what university she went to ? went to? >> i don't know where bridget went, but i know oxford from sunderland oxford oxford university. >> is she the wrong kind of person . yeah okay. but i don't person. yeah okay. but i don't think she had a private school. no. she went to hertford college. yeah. >> yeah, she went to hertford college. i think she got in there by her own merit. if we're seriously saying that meritocracy a working class people who earn positions at universities that are traditionally full of privately educated, posh boys, are we seriously saying that's a bad thing? all right, david lammy, we want david lammy. >> do you know where he where he studied? i don't know , harvard. studied? i don't know, harvard. harvard. he studied in a college in harvard . is harvard. he studied in a college in harvard. is he the harvard. he studied in a college in harvard . is he the wrong kind in harvard. is he the wrong kind of person? i mean, it's coming from his mouth. yeah i don't keir starmer i mean, he went to reigate grammar school. >> yeah. university level

education for me isn't, isn't a representation of your social background or your class. it's what your parents did. it's where you came from. it's how you grew up. and that's how you understand . understand. >> but you say that. but you were talking about the fact that they've gone to the private schools and so on and so forth, which is kind of what david lammy was saying. that's his point he was making. yet many yet yet many of the people in the labour party and the conservatives and in other parties have all been to had private education at some point or studied at the top colleges . or studied at the top colleges. so i'm wondering, but top, top universities are very different to private schools because of course, people earn positions at these universities from state schools and come through the normal route and those people who do surely should not acknowledge a clearly exceptional in their talents. >> if they're up against people who are having money thrown at their education. >> do you know it's not about money being thrown at your education? a lot of the people who are spouting this nonsense have had money thrown at their education. so sir keir starmer,

he actually went to reigate grammar grammar. and then it became because then it became private. so bursary, he got a bursary that paid for him to continue his education. the very thing that he's hang on, hang on the very thing that his vat raid may potentially stop many other kids from getting. so i'm wondering which kind of person you want everybody to be. like angela rayner . angela rayner. >> yes, i would like more people like angela rayner in the house of commons, but i think you'll see that after this election, hopefully, because i know many people, i'm friends with many candidates across the country who are from normal working class backgrounds, who are more representative of this, of this nafion representative of this, of this nation as a whole. and what about kemi badenoch? next week will be elected kemi badenoch. >> she had a pretty normal education. do you know what i mean? there's lots of . yeah, mean? there's lots of. yeah, yeah, but there's lots of people who are like kemi badenoch by the way, i'm not bothered about their political, views or their political viewpoints . political viewpoints. >> i'm talking about. they need to be represented. there are

conservative people in working class communities. of course they are. but they should be able to stand for the conservative party and should be able to get elected. you know, this is what we're talking about as a whole. it's not about your viewpoints. it's not about how left wing you are. i'm not saying we need more left wing people in parliament. what i'm saying is we need people who come from real working class communities, people who sound like me, people who sound like angela rayner. because when i was in the house of commons, i think that's i didn't hear that. >> that's classist and that's nonsense, because of course, you just, you , you just need people just, you, you just need people who are good at what they do, who are good at what they do, who can connect, know who can connect, hold on, let me finish. who can connect? >> boris johnson is good at what he does. >> i thought he was very good at communicating. yeah, he's a very good communicator. yeah. he's a very good communicator. >> no, he's good at party. >> no, he's good at party. >> well, that's your opinion. but he got an 80 seat majority okay. so his. yeah. so he's obviously good at something winning elections . winning elections. >> yeah. great charismatic man. yes. but not running the country as a separate thing.

>> you could say that. listen, if the whole party, the conservative party have pretty much imploded, it wasn't just him that took the whole party down. and, you know, you've got to admit that it wasn't just him. they all had a hand in it. so you can't just blame one person. but but they are from the same people. if we talk at the same people. if we talk at the same people. if we talk at the same time , james, people the same time, james, people won't hear either of us. but listen, they are from diverse backgrounds. you know, rishi sunak now , he may have gone to sunak now, he may have gone to winchester college, but let's be honest here, he's the first asian prime minister that we've ever had in this country. so there's a diversity in him . there's a diversity in him. there is a diversity in his background as well . and you said background as well. and you said you said it's where his parents are from . his parents were not are from. his parents were not wealthy to begin with. >> they paid for him to go to school. yeah. >> they weren't wealthy to begin with, though . they worked very with, though. they worked very hard and became wealthy. >> great. that's wonderful. but they were still wealthy when they were still wealthy when they worked hard. >> but you. but you just said, listen, you said it's to do with their background. it's not them . their background. it's not them. it's where their parents are. so i've given you lots of scenarios. i've even pointed out people in your party who have

had difficult backgrounds. >> it is about the socioeconomic background. so it's about what your parents have when you grow up, what kind of wealth you grow up, what kind of wealth you grow up with, what kind of access to opportunities does that wealth bnng? opportunities does that wealth bring? and that's the kind of thing people like myself who were in receipt of free school meals, people like angela raynen meals, people like angela rayner, we don't see ourselves represented in parliament. we see rishi sunak, we see boris johnson . johnson. >> but but you do because angela rayneris >> but but you do because angela rayner is there and many of the people who are within the labour party, but she is there. but what do you expect? you're just going to get a certain level. i'm a minority. there's lots of people who are minorities . you people who are minorities. you can't you can't have exactly 5050 anyway. listen james, i've got to go. this is what i'm talking about. >> class background. and there are multiple factors to privilege. there are multiple factors. >> exactly. and for the labour party to think, they can simply work it out and they would allow me to say such a thing. it will be interesting to see the responses from others. thank you very much. james matthewson is a former labour party spokesperson, thank you so much. what are your thoughts? gbnews.com/yoursay we'll continue with this. i'm asking our politicians the wrong class of people. you know the thoughts

of people. you know the thoughts of my panel. lizzie cundy and bill rammell. of my panel. lizzie cundy and bill rammell . still to come, bill rammell. still to come, difficult conversations and mel kabul will be here live. but first, let's get your latest news headlines. >> very good afternoon to you. it's just coming up to 434. the top story from the newsroom this afternoon . reform uk has now afternoon. reform uk has now withdrawn support for three election candidates that were accused of using racist comments to describe migrants edward oakenfold, robert lomas and leslie lilley will remain on the ballot paper on the 4th of july but are no longer endorsed by the party. we understand. meanwhile, a reform campaigner who was recorded using a racist slur against the prime minister admits he's been a total fool. reform uk has now reported channel 4 to the elections watchdog, though accusing the broadcaster of election interference. it's claiming the undercover news piece was a set up.the undercover news piece was a set up. the network, though, is standing by its undercover footage . sir keir starmer is

footage. sir keir starmer is pledging to introduce a new armed forces commissioner and to lead a government of service. if labouris lead a government of service. if labour is elected, it comes as shadow defence secretary john healey says labour is now the natural party of defence. mr healey said his party will do better by soldiers and their families . better by soldiers and their families. meanwhile, better by soldiers and their families . meanwhile, the prime families. meanwhile, the prime minister has hailed the duty, the dedication and selfless personal sacrifice of servicemen and women as he marked armed forces day today. rishi sunak has claimed that his is the only party to meet the help for heroes veterans pledge . between heroes veterans pledge. between 30 and 40 volunteers have now been deployed in a mountainous part of tenerife to look for british touristj slater. the 19 year old has now been missing for at least 12 days since last monday. the search is covering a huge area of rugged hills and steep cliffs . those are the steep cliffs. those are the latest gb news headlines for now. i'll be back with the next

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>> welcome. this is gb news. we are britain's election channel. i'm nana akua. we're live on tv , i'm nana akua. we're live on tv, onune i'm nana akua. we're live on tv, online and on digital radio. it's just coming up to 39 minutes after 4:00. and it's time for the great british debate this year. and i'm asking, are our politicians the wrong class of people? david lammy has claimed that the tories are not the right class of people to be running britain because of their public school smallness, the shadow foreign secretary said in an interview that angela rayner, labour's deputy leader, was , by contrast, deputy leader, was, by contrast, someone who gets it. shadow foreign secretary described the conservative party as being like a certain class of individuals at the end of the raj, not

really having an account of the future for the great british debate. this year, i'm asking, are our politicians the wrong class of people? joining me now to discuss my panel, broadcaster and columnist lizzie cundy also former labour mp bill rammell bill rammell the wrong class of people. that's a little bit classist, isn't it? >> well, i wouldn't have used the words that david did, and i think he went a bit far. and you need balance. but what he was pointing out, i think, is important, that if labour wins next thursday, it will be by background, the most working class government that we've had since 1945. and i think that's a good thing because bluntly, for too many years, the top echelons of society, whether it's the judiciary, whether it's higher education, whether it's politics, have been dominated by upper middle class people who come from private schools. now they have a place in society, and they have a place that's goodin and they have a place that's good in government. know they do. but, you know, they're a very small proportion of the country. and i think you need more balance.

>> well, i would you could argue the conservatives have been the most diverse ethnically than the labour party. so there is diversity in ethnicity and a lot of those ethnic minorities did not have so—called posh backgrounds. so i'm actually questioning whether david lammy is actually accurate. lizzie cundy and if you say labour want more balance, they've never had a woman leader ever, have they ? a woman leader ever, have they? >> no, that's a point. >> no, that's a point. >> i think that's to be regretted. >> yeah, well david lammy, what an utter hypocrite. the man that went to harvard. and what does he mean exactly ? by that i mean he mean exactly? by that i mean your own leaders. sir keir starmer. we know he went to grammar then. that was private. and then he goes on about his dad was a toolmaker. his father actually went to on own the company. he didn't. he did he? >> it's completely untrue. it is a bill. >> this is good with the fact. >> this is good with the fact. >> it is. it is good. >> it is. it is good. >> i am very fat. >> i am very fat. >> i will do a fact check. >> i will do a fact check. >> and may i add that he has over 8 million. so when does the class change? i mean , he's class change? i mean, he's a very wealthy man in his own right, i think this is

absolutely hypocritical nonsense from the labour party. and so, you know, do you want everyone to be like angela lorena, do you remember that ? remember that? >> no, i didn't say that. i said, you need balance. but our society haven't had a woman leader once. but hold on, our society has been dominated by the upper middle classes. yes, and by men and people who were privately educated. and i've just got to, again, set the record straight . keir starmer's record straight. keir starmer's dad did not own a company. he was a toolmaker. >> but look, we know every time he's on stage, but his dad did. >> once you become a member of parliament, you're no longer working class. you know, i, was a minister of state in government. i became a university vice chancellor. even though i came from a working class background . clearly part class background. clearly part of the establishment and middle class. and if you like, upper, uppen class. and if you like, upper, upper, middle class, but the working class upbringing shapes your values. and i think we should have more people in politics who are shaped by that experience and those values. i think that's a good thing.

should it should it be everyone from that background? no, but we've been too dominated by one class, i think. >> listen, by the very notion of the fact that the labour party are called the labour party, which was developed through the trade unions. so these were working people by that very nofion working people by that very notion of the background and the development and the evolution of the party. that would be the case. the conservative party has evolved very differently. so why do they have to have a similar sort of, you know, structure as you? and anyway, a lot of the people in the labour party, bridget phillipson, for example, went to oxford university, you know , all these people within know, all these people within the labour party had private educations as well. so i don't really see why david lammy is qualified to be saying that. >> it's absolutely hypocritical. >> it's absolutely hypocritical. >> bridget phillipson came from a working class home and a single parent family. yes, she went to oxford and has been very successful, but that background shapes her values and shapes her experience. >> but we need more people like that. >> rishi sunak arguably came from a very working class background because his parents,

they came here as immigrants, so they came here as immigrants, so they literally had nothing when they literally had nothing when they came here. so where does it kick in? yeah, well, i'll tell you what. what what was it when he's five, when they start making money that you can forget what it's a message of. >> it's about being in touch. and if you watch that sky news debate between starmer and sunak, the poll afterwards in touch with ordinary people. keir starmer 71. rishi sunak 13. touch with ordinary people. keir starmer 71. rishi sunak13. this cuts through for people. >> but i'm afraid keir starmer doesn't answer a question. and what we're very worried about, as i've said, you've never had a woman leader and keir starmer still can't answer the question about what is a woman. they still can't answer. there's a big problem in the labour party and women are being erased. >> to be fair, he did answer that question, but it's a simple question, she said. it was an aduu question, she said. it was an adult female, but we have david lammy recently has said that, you know, he can't answer it and it's all very confusing. >> i'm very worried for women, if labour gets i'm going to ask you, bill can, can a man have a

cervix? >> this is bill, this is david lammy again, the same david lammy again, the same david lammy saying that can somehow make a cervix or they can have a cervix. >> no, i think, sexual origin, sexual identity is permanent. yes. you can transition, but that origin really matters. and i will acknowledge i think keir was slow to clarify the party's stance, but he has done that, you know, and he said that trans rights do not trump women's rights do not trump women's rights . he rights do not trump women's rights. he said that rights do not trump women's rights . he said that protected rights. he said that protected spaces for women are absolutely sacrosanct. he said that there will be no self—identification. >> he is interesting, a labour government, the word woman and not female though, and i listened very carefully because in law you can be a woman but yet still be a man. so in law, if you have the grc, then you can be a woman . but then if can be a woman. but then if you're saying separate spaces for women, then someone who's had a grc can be in that space andifs had a grc can be in that space and it's not what he. but it'll be interesting to see how he squares that circle, because i

don't know how you get past that. if you and he couldn't answer that, well, there's a lady caller, jane, who called in and he would not give a straight answer, and she got very annoyed, which i think he is very clear in his position on that. >> and i think that will become clear when we're in government. but i tell you what really changed this debate very briefly. the example in scotland where nicola sturgeon allowed someone who still had a penis. >> well, let me just go into all women's lives. >> you've got 10s gb news today. >> you've got 10s gb news today. >> he couldn't answer the question directly. he didn't answer it directly. she still had no idea what he actually thought. >> well, this is jane. the clip i played with jane. all right, listen. well, this show is nothing without you and your views. let's welcome our great british voice, their opportunity to be on the show and tell us what they think about the topics we're discussing. fiona locke is there in surrey. fiona. hello, darling. nice to see you. great background. gosh, you're looking good. we work well together, you and i. you're my background and i'm your. we've sort of. anyway fiona. >> we're twinning today, darling, aren't we? >> we're twinning . >> we're twinning. >> we're twinning. >> darling, i noticed it's gorgeous. >> thank you darling. so fiona,

what do you think to this? i mean david lammy making comments like that. the wrong class of person. and presumably he meant the conservative party. i don't think he meant himself. what do you think ? you think? >> i just wonder what these people think . they are who they are. >> you know, it's just, it's it just seems quite ridiculous. the right class. what's all that about? and being classist, you know, surely it's a passion to be somebody in the government and you want to change things for the better. not, you know, about your sexuality personally, that's my opinion. i mean, i, i personally am a christian and it's much more easy rather than making it so chaotic. and so, you know , elongated with, with you know, elongated with, with your different different trans this and trans that. and i just think it's far better to do that than, you know, i mean, it's good to debate. i'm not saying don't debate, but it just becomes nonsensical. and i think

it it kind of like loses the sense of, you know, we're a woman. we're women. i am a woman, i am a female, i have a cervix, i've had a baby, you know, and very, very briefly , to know, and very, very briefly, to david lammy's comments about the fact that the wrong class of people are in politics, or i think he was obviously clearly referring, i think, to the opposition. >> yeah . what do you think? what >> yeah. what do you think? what do you make of that? briefly, you've got about oh gosh. >> who do they think they are . >> who do they think they are. you know i mean really i think it's incidental with whether they went to a fabulous school or whether they you know, do they want to serve the people because a lot of a lot of them don't. in my opinion. >> fiona lock, thank you very much. lovely to see you for your luck with my twin. twin twinning. right. she's lovely to talk to you. right. stay with us. still to come. my difficult conversations. eamonn kabul. she will be here to tell us about her groundbreaking work. next, lady colin will be to here us us the latest behind the palace

good afternoon. 51 minutes after 4:00. welcome if you just tuned in, where on earth have you been? it's fine. you're with gb news. we are britain's election channel. i'm nana akua now. there's always something going on in the royal household. and this week has been no different in every saturday. i'd love to give you a rundown. and who better to do so than royal commentator lady colin campbell? she joins us now. lady colin campbell, thank you very much for joining us. lovely to see forjoining us. lovely to see you, darling . lovely to see you . you, darling. lovely to see you. so lady c, what on earth has been going on with prince harry? there's been some story about him potentially deleting information out of no potential about it. >> no, no, he's wiped the record clean. >> you know , and it is strictly >> you know, and it is strictly against the legal process. and he will have known it and so

will his solicitor. and barrister have known it. and the judge was very critical in, in legalese terms, expressing his concerns and his surprise , concerns and his surprise, because the fact of the matter is the lawyers are the ones who are supposed to be investigating this sort of matter, not harry. harry came up with only five points. and of course, he also deleted two years into the lawsuit at least two years into the lawsuit, all of the information that he will have known that he was supposed to provide to the to the other side and through the other side to the court . and through the other side to the court. this and through the other side to the court . this is a matter of the court. this is a matter of suppressing the truth, suppressing the truth, suppressing facts . and it is a suppressing facts. and it is a very serious thing that he has done well. it shows he probably would argue that he hasn't done

anything wrong at all. >> so i suppose they will be looking into whether there is something wrong there. interesting. what about is there anything interesting happening with meghan markle these days? she's here last time. well, last time i spoke about her, her father was asking her to come to say happy birthday to him turning 80 very soon. >> well, i don't think her father expects her to say hello to him. in fact, i know he expects nothing from her. she's gone very quiet and of course , gone very quiet and of course, she's very clever because she always lets harry be the stalking horse. and she then spins around and acts as if she's, you know, cleaner than clean. and she's she's scanning. meghan is very canny, and people who don't realise how canny she is don't appreciate the fact that really she is an ace operator. >> well, she's very clever in

what she does. she's she's a great sort of self—promoter and thatis great sort of self—promoter and that is indeed a talent that many would love to have. but some of the things that she does do seem a bit odd and are negative in terms of improving her own pr, like maybe seeing her own pr, like maybe seeing her own pr, like maybe seeing her own dad, you would think, lady c, i'm running out of time. believe it. i've got to go. that is lady c, what do you think? stay tuned. loads more stuff to come. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on gb news >> hello there i welcome to your >> hello there! welcome to your latest gb news. weather forecast from the met office over the coming days. the weather is going to be a little bit mixed. some of us will see some rain, but most of us should see some sunshine from time to time. so as we end saturday, we've still got this weak area of low pressure to the west of the uk that will continue to bring in some cloud and rain across parts

of northern england and wales. that will slowly work its way south eastwards as we go through the course of the night. either side, plenty of clear skies, but still the risk of some blustery showers across the far north of scotland under the clear skies , scotland under the clear skies, temperatures falling down to about 10 or 11 degrees for most of us, but under the cloud coven of us, but under the cloud cover, not much lower than around 15 or 16 degrees. so a bit of a grey start across many southern parts of the uk. this cloud will be thick enough at times to produce the odd spot of rain, but as the morning goes on, it will gradually begin to break up and turn drier. but the best of the sunshine first thing will be across parts of wales into the midlands , northern into the midlands, northern england, where further north across northern ireland and scotland will see a mixture of some sunshine and also a few showers. most frequent showers will be probably across shetland and orkney, where still there'll be a fairly keen wind as we go through the course of sunday. most of us actually should see some plenty of dry weather, a mixture of cloud and some sunshine. the cloud tended to

bubble up during the middle of the day before easing away again as we head into the latter part of the afternoon. best of the sunshine, probably down towards

>> good afternoon. you're with me. i'm nana akua . this is gb me. i'm nana akua. this is gb news on tv online and on digital radio. it has just gone 5:00. and for the next hour, me and my panel will be taking on some of the big topics hitting the headunes the big topics hitting the headlines right now. coming up, this week's difficult conversations, i'm joined by a woman with a long list of talents. she's a presenter, podcaster, professional runway model and entrepreneur and has got literally just got back from walking the runway at a globally renowned miami swim week show in florida. she has an incredible story. you won't want to miss that. then in the great british debate this out, i'm asking, is it time for joe biden to

debate this out, i'm asking, is it time forjoe biden to go it time for joe biden to go after being roundly criticised for his weak performance during this year's first presidential debate, democrat insiders are now said to be panicking ahead of the election, but the president insists he will fight on. really but first, let's get your latest news headlines with sam francis . sam francis. >> nana, thank you very much and good evening to you. it's just coming up to 5:02, and we'll start with the latest from the election campaign trail today, where reform uk has now withdrawn support for three of its election candidates who were accused of using racist comments to describe migrants edward oakenfold, robert lomas and leslie lilly will remain on the ballot paper on july the 4th, but they are no longer endorsed by the party. meanwhile, a reform campaigner who was recorded using a racist slur against the prime minister admits he's been a total fall. reform uk has now reported

channel 4 to the elections watchdog, though accusing the broadcaster of interfering in the election. it claims the undercover news piece was a set up.the undercover news piece was a set up. the network is, though, standing by its undercover footage . sir keir starmer is footage. sir keir starmer is pledging to introduce a new armed forces commissioner and to lead a government of service if labouris lead a government of service if labour is elected . it comes as labour is elected. it comes as shadow defence secretary john healey insists that labour is now the natural party of defence . meanwhile, the labour leader has praised army personnel but refused to commit to a 2.5% defence spend . defence spend. >> we do want to get to 2.5, and it's really important that that's consistent with fiscal rules. the first thing we will do is carry out a strategic review of resources of capability to make sure that the money we are spending is spent effectively on the things that we need. but today is armed forces day, so it is the opportunity to say thank you to all of those who are serving and

have served , and to remember the have served, and to remember the contribution that they have made to our country. >> meanwhile, the prime minister has also hailed the duty, the dedication and the selfless personal sacrifice of service men and women as he marked armed forces day to day . rishi sunak forces day to day. rishi sunak has claimed that his is the only party to meet the help for heroes veterans pledge. that pledge requires parties to commit to keeping the office for veterans affairs, commissioning an independent review of the medical discharge process and ensuring that veterans get the benefits and the compensations that they deserve . security that they deserve. security minister tom tugendhat told us that armed forces day is more than just one day a year. >> armed forces day, for those of us who are veterans, isn't just one day a year. it you know, we live with our service good and bad, throughout the year. good and bad, throughout the year . and for some of us, that year. and for some of us, that can be bringing back painful memories. but it can also bring back huge moments of pride, of having served alongside some of the best that our country has to offer. look at the record. look

at what johnny mercer has achieved as the minister for veterans affairs, and look at what the prime minister has achieved in creating that cabinet position for veterans affairs . we've got op resolute affairs. we've got op resolute and op courage that help veterans who may be finding life just a little bit difficult, and the leader of the liberal democrats, sir ed davey, has also been speaking today. >> he says that his party want to increase the number of troops in the army . in the army. >> well, our first priority and armed forces day is to remember our veterans and to say to the armed force personnel who's serving the moment, we want to make sure the way you're treated is much better, much better housing, much better health services. and we want to increase the number of troops in our british army. they're being cut by 10,000. we would get rid of those cuts. and that's what we do immediately. treat our veterans and our armed force personnel better. and invest in our great british army in the long term. we want to get to 2.5% of national income spent on

defence. >> sir ed davey there. speaking earlier, well away from the election campaign trail. in other news, in tenerife, two men who spent time with missing teenager jay slater before he disappeared on the island have now been ruled out of the police investigation there. it's nearly two weeks since the 19 year old went missing. hikers and locals are among those who've now turned up to support the expanded search effort, taking place in a mountainous area in the north of the island . in the the north of the island. in the us, president joe biden says that he still intends to win in november's election amid calls for him to step down after his performance in the debate. he spoke at a rally in north carolina, where democrats are hoping to win the state back from republicans this november. he claimed that america itself is at stake and accused former us president donald trump of repeatedly lying and said that trump has the morals of an alley cat . here, a woman has been cat. here, a woman has been arrested, injured rather, and others attacked by an xl bully

dog in greater manchester, police were called to a street in eccles last night to reports of a dog dangerously out of control . video online showed control. video online showed armed officers chasing the banned breed and failing to restrain it. it was then shot dead. we understand two men have been arrested after confronting police . the prison service says police. the prison service says it doesn't tolerate staff corruption. after reports that an officer has been caught on video having sex with an inmate . video having sex with an inmate. it's said to have happened at wandsworth jail in south london. the met police say that a woman has been arrested on suspicion of misconduct in public office. a man has died and seven are ill in hospital after taking a potentially contaminated sleeping pill. potentially contaminated sleeping pill . cleveland police sleeping pill. cleveland police say the man was thought to have taken medication from a possibly compromised batch of zopiclone. he said seven people who were believed to have taken the pills had been taken to north tees general hospital in stockton on tees in friday evening . police

tees in friday evening. police are now urging anyone with information to contact them . and information to contact them. and finally, before we head back to nana, coldplay is set to make history later as the first act to headline glastonbury festival five times when they perform this evening, the grammy award winning band first played the pyramid stage in 2002. they also topped the bill in 22,005, 2011 and 2016, while tonight they follow on from dua lipa, who was the headline act there last night . those are the latest gb night. those are the latest gb news headlines for now. i'm sam francis and i'll be back with your next update in half an hour i >> -- >> for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code, or go to gbnews.com forward slash alerts . forward slash alerts. >> good afternoon. this is gb news. we're live on tv, online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua and for the next hour , me

akua and for the next hour, me and my panel will be taking on some of the big topics hitting the headlines. right now. this show is all about opinion. it's mine is theirs. and of course it is yours. we'll be debating, discussing and at times we will disagree. but no one will be cancelled. so joining me today is columnist and broadcaster lizzie cundy. and also former labour minister bill rammell. still to come, my difficult conversations today is with a woman with a long list of talents. she's a presenter, a podcaster, a model and an entrepreneur whose podcast is now attracting some big name celebs. then for the great british debate this out. i'm asking is it time for joe british debate this out. i'm asking is it time forjoe biden to go? the us president is defiantly vowing to stay and fight november's election following his poor performance in thursday's election debate, but his party has other ideas, with some democrat insiders reportedly planning to oust him as their nominee . reportedly planning to oust him as their nominee. but reportedly planning to oust him as their nominee . but there are as their nominee. but there are only two ways he can leave. one is if he decides and the other, well, i won't say so. me your thoughts? post your comments gbnews.com/yoursay . eight

gbnews.com/yoursay. eight minutes after 5:00. it's now time for this week's difficult conversations. i'm joined now by a woman with a seemingly never ending list of talents. amal rashidi is an international presenter, podcaster, model and entrepreneur . her podcast brunch entrepreneur. her podcast brunch with amel has attracted the likes of dizzee rascal and russell kane, and she's just got back from hosting and walking the runway at the globally renowned miami swim week. she shows in florida. i'm pleased to say that amel rashidi is here in the studio with me now. amal nana, listen to you, you sound great, but it hasn't always been like this. how do you go from zero, which is what you were at social media to literally a million followers on instagram. a lot of people want to know the secret. what is the secret? sam wants to know. he stayed to listen. >> oh my gosh, you know what nana? there's no secret. >> the truth is, i feel like a lot of people don't know about

me, that i want people to know that i've been grinding since i was about 17, 18. >> i'm now 30. just turn 30. >> i'm now 30. just turn 30. >> are you 30? you look great. >> are you 30? you look great. >> i don't look 30. i hope i look 20. you do look 19. oh my. i love you even more . you're i love you even more. you're just saying that. >> okay, i was saying that. >> okay, i was saying that. >> no, no you do, but i do look hopefully like 20. so i have been grinding for a long time. so it's only like in the last yeah so it's only like in the last year. well, i'd say this has been my most successful year. so far. i've been doing a lot of work and grinding and pushing doors and this, you know how it is in the industry yourself. you've been in the industry a long time yourself, and i feel like people don't actually see or understand how someone just ran. they think you just randomly kind of, you ran. they think you just randomly kind of , you know, randomly kind of, you know, blown up. but that's not the case because when people, of course know about your background and your story, they'll realise that it comes with a lot of hard work. >> so talk to me about your background then. so you're obviously you've got an ethnic diverse background. what's your mix? >> i'm mixed. algerian and

white. i'm british and i was born in wales, cardiff . oh born in wales, cardiff. oh that's nice, i love wales, so random. people like, wait, what? >> what was it like growing up in wales? >> you know what actually, growing up in cardiff, i did enjoy it. but during my younger teensi enjoy it. but during my younger teens i actually did experience racism. actually in it was a very, you know, non multicultural place cardiff and i just felt lost when i was 13, 14 and i just made a plan and i was like, right when i turn 15 i'm going to go and work, i'm going to save up my pennies and i'm going to move to london and you did. i saved up my pennies and i moved to london, but it has taken me a long time to reap the rewards of the move to london. >> and then what happened? >> and then what happened? >> i did like the college and all this stuff. tried a bit of fashion, wanted to be a fashion designer. i mean, hopefully it shows in my style. i didn't end up being a fashion designer. i then went on to work in production. so actually that was that's my background. i come

from a production background. i did a lot of production, as in tv production or radio tv production. so live events, i've done everything from running to casting research into celebrity booking to pr, everything i've tried, everything i've tried, a bit of everything. i need to eventually put it in a book in the future when i've made it. but i've tried a bit of everything, and i'm proud of that because all those shows i've worked on in the past and festivals and live events and tours, what did you do at these live events and festivals? so one of the very last jobs i did in production, because i really had to make a decision. i either want to be the talent or i want to be behind. was with nicki minaj, actually one nicki minaj. yes so i actually was a tour manager on the uk leg of the tour back in 2018. not that long ago it feels like yesterday she came to london, she did the juice world tour and i was brought on to look after the uk artists for that , which was, artists for that, which was, miss banks, lady leshurr and another artist called lisa

mercedes. so that was my very last job. behind the scenes, i kept getting asked because i like to think i was good at my job. >> what what's nicki minaj like? though? i've always wondered because every time i see her, she always looks different. i'm like, oh, she's very tiny. >> nicki minaj is very, very tiny . like, >> nicki minaj is very, very tiny. like, i'm. i am tall, i think relatively tall, but she's probably about up to here. she's, she's she's cute. she was exhausted because she was on toun exhausted because she was on tour. so she was so tired and everyone wanted pictures and i had to coordinate the pictures. this time i wasn't in the picture. this time i was coordinating the pictures, so it was amazing. it was a great experience, but , pre like before experience, but, pre like before that tour , i was doing things that tour, i was doing things like working on love island , like working on love island, working on love island. >> you could go on love island. i don't oh my god, don't know. >> i'm really proud that i've built my brand, and i've not gone on a reality tv show at this point. because, you know, a lot of people to blow up or whatever you want to call it, they will go on a reality tv show to get that fame. but i've

always been chasing success. >> so how did you go from literally zero followers to a million, though? and because you did it very quickly, a lot of people look on social media. they want to work out how to do it. what are they getting asked a lot. >> you know what i always wondered myself. how do you go viral on instagram? i never understood there was times in the past when, like i do an interview, i put all this work into this interview and you know how it is when you're working, broadcast, even podcasting. it's a lot of work and you just want that video to hit numbers, because that's what the thing is these days , it's the new era, these days, it's the new era, you know, that we're in. so you've got to follow the times. at the beginning i was like, this is exhausting. this is stressful. why does it matter how much views whatever gets? but anyway, that is how it works . i just kept posting, applying for stuff and then i applied for miami swim week. i was like, there's no chance i'm going to get miami swim week. i'm up against tons of runway models that are all like, been doing it for years. but i was like, no , for years. but i was like, no, like i'm going to apply. like, why not? i do a bit of everything . i'm a curves model. everything. i'm a curves model. i've been really wanting to branch out into that because

it's something i thoroughly enjoy, like i love, taking pictures. if i can do it professionally, why not try to do it professionally? now? >> a lot of people you're a curves model, so you're sort of a plus size model, but i think you look great. >> it's called it's called it's called a plus size model. but these days it's like what does that mean. >> but everyone's taking a zoom pic. i mean when you're listening to it, is there somewhere you're thinking, well, i might just take this, then pick way out ? pick way out? >> you know what? actually, i feel like curves are really in right now. because if i told you nana how many years i've been trying to break into the modelling industry with a figure like mine, you'd be surprised. it's been very difficult because it's all about who you know and two in london. i don't think it's really a big thing. it's starting to become like at the moment. i feel like i've just hit it where i've just entered into a. curves are really popular right now, so i'm just like, yeah, keep your curves, your curves. >> also, wait a bit nana wait, i love my food but also will take your appetite away also. i mean

wait a bit to see the aftermath of a lot of the ozempic people because you've got the ozempic face now, which is like a zombie face now, which is like a zombie face where they've taken too much or they've taken it repeatedly and the skin, then you've got the ozempic skin where it's sags, and also you've got the zenpix effect where they're on the toilet or being sick or whatever. no, it doesn't happen to everybody. yeah, but for many people, it's a very difficult thing to be taking continuously. so wait a bit and see whether there's any other other side effects that are more major. i mean, i personally wouldn't take anything like that , i wouldn't, i'm a baby, like at heart. >> i'm a big baby. like i'm scared of anything to do with needles. this, that. like i'm always getting a hip , like, will always getting a hip, like, will you come over here and do your teeth? you know, your lips, all these different things i get offered. i never, ever accept any. by the way, i don't judge no one. whatever people want to do, they can do. i have many friends that do all that stuff. i'll always support my friends, but for me personally, i like to just. i'm quite very old fashioned . some of my friends fashioned. some of my friends are so old fashioned. why don't you just go ? because i am true

you just go? because i am true to myself. i think it's called common sense. >> and stay away from the needles. i don't know why people do it. they think they're going to look. oh, i'm gonna look amazing. then it goes slightly wrong. then they go, oh, well, then i won't do it. i can't do it. >> i prefer to just stay natural self and, you know, some people think that's weird. that's their issue. although i think is normal. >> i've said that now though. be careful people. i might end up doing it just in case. maybe a bit. maybe a bit of top lip because that's going that's filler. there's a top . filler. there's a top. >> i'd be so scared. >> no, i'm not going to do it. i'm not gonna do so listen, where can people find out more and what's your next thing? we're running out of time. >> yeah, about a minute left so people can find me on instagram at amel rashidi, on youtube at amel rashidi . and they're my amel rashidi. and they're my main two platforms and also, what else did you ask me on the podcast? i've got my podcast. your next big interview are actually releasing an interview with wes nelson. really soon. he's got his new album coming out soon as well. wes is, ex—love islander turned pop star. he does a lot with craig david. we actually filmed

yesterday. so wonderful. yeah, lots of exciting things, and i'll expect more modelling and expect big campaigns and more presenting gigs. >> and then everybody else, your podcasting. >> well, actually i'm very spontaneous. i go with the flow, but i'm sure that you and lizzie will be coming on. i should oh, were you supposed to say me? well, you will be coming on. come on a minute, i'm on minute. >> i was waiting for me, and now she's going to take lizzie. no, don't say that. isn't it just supposed to say that? listen, it's been lovely to see you. i hope people will follow you and continue to follow your success journey. thank you very much for me. lovely to talk to you. that is mel rashidi. she is a presenter, a model and an entrepreneur. a million followers on instagram. i know, it's amazing. i'll try that. followers on instagram. i know, it's amazing. i'll try that . but it's amazing. i'll try that. but nobody follows me after the break though every time for the great british debate this out, i'm asking is it time forjoe biden to go? some democratic insiders are reportedly trying to find a way to oust the president as the party's nominee for the election in november, following his very weak performance in the presidential debate on thursday. but defiant joe biden has vowed to fight on

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>> on mark dolan tonight. in my big opinion, the american people have no choice but to put donald trump in the white house following joe biden's catastrophic tv appearance this week. this has become a national security threat for america. and the world. and in my take at ten, as woke revellers celebrate illegal migrants crossing the channel glastonbury is a festival of double standards. we're live at nine. >> good afternoon. 22 minutes after 5:00. if you've just tuned in, why have you tuned in now? you should have got in earlier. it's only 40 minutes left of the

show. no, i'm teasing you. you're with me. i'm nana. akua. this is gb news. we are britain's election channel. so exciting. the elections are on the way. you must stay tuned to gb news because we'll be giving you all the coverage. but now it isfime you all the coverage. but now it is time for the great british debate. the sound i'm asking is it time for joe biden? sleepy joe, to go? of course, a lot of you saw it after the american president was roundly criticised for his performance at this week's presidential debate, dunng week's presidential debate, during which he often looked confused. democrat insiders are said to be panicking ahead of the election, with some reportedly looking at looking at ways to oust him ahead of the democratic convention in august. however, speaking at a rally in nonh however, speaking at a rally in north carolina yesterday, slightly more energised, joe biden implicitly admitted that he had lost the first debate with donald trump, but vowed to fight on. really. however, some would say signs of joe biden's mental decline have been evident for some time. take this audience gaffe from a couple of years ago. >> percentage of women who registered to vote and cast a ballot is consistently higher than the percentage of the men who do so. end of quote. repeat

the line. women are not without electoral and or political. or maybe precise, not and or or political power . political power. >> oh come on. oh, more recently, what about when he appeared to sit on an imaginary chair whilst at the d—day commemorations? either that or something else was happening. and this is seen as his worst moment during the presidential debate on thursday. >> eligible for what i've been able to do with the with the covid excuse me, with, dealing with everything we have to do with, look , if we finally beat with, look, if we finally beat medicare. thank you, president biden. >> i almost feel bad laughing. so for the great british debate this out, i'm asking, is it time for joe biden to go right to forjoe biden to go right to discuss? i'm joined by trade unionist and broadcaster paul emery, us political analyst and democrat supporter nomiki konst, and also the chair for the republicans oversee, greg svenson. all right. i'm going to

start with you. is it nomiki? havei start with you. is it nomiki? have i got that right ? start with you. is it nomiki? have i got that right? nomiki nana the mickey, come on. what do you think of that? you're a democrat supporter. >> honestly, this is one of those things that's changing by the minute, 24 hours ago, i was frustrated with the democratic national committee because, shocker, joe biden has been joe biden for the past. four years. this this state of affairs has been just what it has been for the past four years, however, i'm in an airport. i have to warn you, but but now it is such a crisis that when you have the new york times and the atlantic and, you know, legacy publications in, in america calling for him to step down, it's a vote of no confidence. i mean, you guys are in great britain. you know what this is like? we don't have that in the united states. so we have measures in order in the dnc for cases of emergency. and we have had those emergencies in the past, you know, sometimes those are used to weaponize people like bernie sanders by taking

the super delegates and loading them a year in advance. but in this situation, this is a very serious crisis, especially up against donald trump. the problem is, of course, you know, who is who would potentially be the nominee that would put the party of chaos. and, you know, we have early voting now. we have mail in voting. so that would give whoever could potentially be the future nominee weeks to introduce themselves to a national audience and brush them up against donald trump. so this is not a good state of affairs. and i do blame the democratic party for that, because they were the ones who circle the wagons for him. >> well, exactly. they let this go on greg, for quite some time. i could see it. you could see it. why couldn't they? greg stenson yeah, it's embarrassing for the party. >> and nikki's right. >> and nikki's right. >> you know, they protected him for so long. >> and it's really a disservice to the democratic voter. the democrat voter who hasn't really had an opportunity. they kept they kept dean phillips off the ballot in north carolina and florida and other places. they

obviously kept rfk jr away from the process. so they haven't gone through the democrat process, the normal process of electing it would be really difficult. now, tactically, you know, purely as a partisan, i want joe biden to be the candidate i hope he stays in. but that's not what's best for america. it's not what's best for the process. and it's surely not not what's best for the democrat party . democrat party. >> i don't understand why it took them so long. i want to bnngin took them so long. i want to bring in paul mbappe because i want to find out what his views on this paul embery, what do you make of the fact that joe biden has survived this long and only now suddenly the democrats are going, oh, hang on, he might not be fit to run office. what is your view ? your view? >> well, my view nana if i were a us citizen, i would be a democrat and not a republican. i dislike donald trump intensely , dislike donald trump intensely, but i just have to say, i think it is abundantly clear it should be abundantly clear to everybody

that joe biden is simply not fit to be the president. frankly, for the next four weeks, let alone for the next four years. >> he looks and sounds old. he sounds infirm, he looks infirm. >> his memory is clearly failing, and i think , frankly, failing, and i think, frankly, it needs his close friends and his allies and his family members , to say, look, joe, members, to say, look, joe, you've had a lifetime in public service. you've done a lot of good during that time. you've reached the giddy heights of president, but frankly, it's time enough now that you stood down. >> i think anything less than thatis >> i think anything less than that is , frankly, cruel. that is, frankly, cruel. >> and then when you get into the practical issues as well, this is the most powerful job in the world. this is the man who's got his finger metaphorically speaking, on the nuclear button. and if you're someone who's not completely in charge of your your faculties, as he clearly i don't think is, then i think that has all sorts of

ramifications for, you know, not just the us , but the world, just the us, but the world, frankly, so he needs to he needs to do the decent thing, the honourable thing, and step down, in my view. >> well, greg, there are only two ways he can step down. one is, of course, natural causes, and the other one is for him to actually step down. he has to do it himself or somebody needs to tell him to do it. i don't think jill will because jill was saying he answered every question she did that whole thing didn't she? good boy. >> yeah, he was really embarrassing. it was. it was condescending, frankly. and look, this has been an election interference against, you know, the democratic voters. as i said, the process is messy. there is no formal process or formal mechanism to get rid of him . but they've done this him. but they've done this before. and nikki mentioned that, you know , they did it to that, you know, they did it to bernie sanders in 2016. they just you know, with the superdelegates in 2020, only four years ago, they basically engineered biden to come in and got rid of bernie sanders was clearly on the path to winning

the nomination . and they went in the nomination. and they went in the nomination. and they went in the smoke filled room, essentially , and made the essentially, and made the arrangements for biden. they have to do that again. it has to be done with persuasion. you know, the elders in the party, the donors are already starting to fade on biden. so it might be, you know, where they they have to really almost threaten him with cutting him off from, from our donors. it's just absurd. that would be really difficult. >> i just don't even know where they suggested that he should be their candidate. it's ridiculous. nikki. if he does step down, who is potentially in the fray ? the fray? >> i think the top of the list, we're seeing people like governor gavin newsom from california, he has set himself up strategically in some ways, you know, he's taken on fights with governor desantis, very successful fights , by the way, successful fights, by the way, you know, debates. you have gretchen whitmer from from michigan. she's been a very successful governor. i mean, the problem here and i say this as somebody who i was on a committee to reform the

democratic party that came out of the 2016 election, which was a major crisis. right. and we spent two years, investigating the democratic party going through the finances, changing the rules or attempting to change the rules . and change the rules. and unfortunately, you know, some of the folks that are in the democratic party doubled down because they have conflicts of interest. you have consultants who want to make sure that they get their agenda. and what that did was it stopped the grooming, the recruitment of future generations of democrats, you know, you have to really work with candidates. you have to train people from the ground up. and only now are we really starting to see that happen. but it's about a generation, too late. so the bench is weak . i, late. so the bench is weak. i, of course, kamala harris is the vice president, and there's some been there's been some leaks supposedly in the press about her being, you know, frustrated that she is not, being the automatic, successor in mind. but it's complicated and, you know, and i will say one thing. i'm going to push back just a little bit. i think this is all

joe biden's doing. i mean, these conversations . conversations. >> no, it's not it's not really, though, is it? >> no, no, but this is the establishment who thought she could make namiki? >> she could. namiki. it's not. all he is doing, though, is it? it's all his handlers, the people around him, the democrat party, are enabling him. and all these people who pretended, even though we could all see, that this man was not fit for office and could not continue. greg, i'm going to give you the final 10s because you are in the studio, who should they put forward? your republican? >> if i were them, i would say josh shapiro, the governor of pennsylvania. now, he doesn't have name recognition nationally. and i know that because i called him three times, i've done a lot then three times yesterday. but he's the governor of pennsylvania. he's a moderate and he's for school choice. that is a political winner. >> all right, listen, guys, we've got to go. i've got to leave it there. thank you very much for trade unionist and broadcaster paul embery us political analyst and democrat supporter nomiki konst and also a democrat political commentator and chair of republicans overseas, greg stenson. thank

you . overseas, greg stenson. thank you. brilliant. overseas, greg stenson. thank you . brilliant. what do you you. brilliant. what do you think? is it time for sleepy joe to go? this is gb news still to come. we'll continue with this discussion and your thoughts. joining me then panellists and columnist broadcaster lizzie cundy and former labour minister bill rammell. but first let's get your latest news with sam francis. >> very good evening to you. it's just after half past five. the top story from the newsroom tonight . reform the top story from the newsroom tonight. reform uk has the top story from the newsroom tonight . reform uk has withdrawn tonight. reform uk has withdrawn support for three of its election candidates after accusations that they used racist comments to describe migrants. edward oakenfold , migrants. edward oakenfold, robert lomas and leslie lilly will remain on the ballot paper on july the 4th but are no longer endorsed by the party. meanwhile, a reform campaigner who was recorded using a racist slur against the prime minister, rishi sunak, admits he has been a total fool, reform uk has now reported. channel 4 to the elections watchdog, accusing the broadcaster of election

interference. it claims the undercover news piece was a set up, but the network is standing by its undercover footage . a by its undercover footage. a longer term plan. sir keir starmer is pledging to introduce a new armed forces commissioner and to lead a government of service. if labour is elected. it comes as shadow defence secretary john healey says labouris secretary john healey says labour is now the natural party of defence . mr healey said his of defence. mr healey said his party will do better by their soldiers and their families demands. meanwhile, the prime minister has hailed the duty, the dedication and selfless personal sacrifice of service. men and women as he marked armed forces day today, rishi sunak claimed that his is the only party to meet the help for heroes veterans pledge . between heroes veterans pledge. between 30 and 40 volunteers have now been deployed in a mountainous part of tenerife to look for british touristj slater, two british touristj slater, two british men who'd been with the teenager the night before. he was reported missing, have been

ruled out of the police investigation . the search, now investigation. the search, now into its 13th day, covers a huge area of rugged hills and steep cliffs and just a line coming to us from bedfordshire this evening. we understand that a man in his 30s has died after a firearms incident in a home there. police were investigating reports of a firearm discharging in luton, and attended a home on saint kilda road that was just before 9:00 last night. the firearm we understand was discharged inside that house before officers entered, injuring the man who was sadly pronounced dead despite immediate first aid being administered. it's understood police are not looking for anyone in connection with those two incidents, but it has been referred to the police watchdog . referred to the police watchdog. that's the latest from the gb newsroom. for now i'm sam francis and i'll be back with your next update at 6:00 for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news

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right. well, listen. we may get a little sneaky into keir starmers speech in a few moments time, but if you just joined me. welcome this is gb news. we're live on tv, online and on digital radio. it's just coming up to 39 minutes after 5:00. i'm nana akua and it's time for the great british debate . and i'm great british debate. and i'm asking, is it time for joe great british debate. and i'm asking, is it time forjoe biden to go? that's after the president was widely criticised

for his terrible performance in the presidential debate this week. he looked confused . he week. he looked confused. he lost of the democrat. insiders are panicking . so what do you are panicking. so what do you think? does he need to ask him? he actually needs to say he wants to go and that's the only way he can leave. however appearing at a rally in north carolina yesterday , he was carolina yesterday, he was slightly more energised. maybe he's just taken the meds again. joe biden implicitly admitted that he had lost the first debate with donald trump, but he vowed to fight on. what do you think? should he fight on your thoughts? joining me now, though, to discuss i've got bill rammell and also lizzie cundy. right. i'm going to start with you, lizzie cundy. is it time for him to go? >> yes it is and i'm afraid biden loves power more than he loves his country because he knows he should go. his whole family . no, knows he should go. his whole family. no, he knows he should go. his whole family . no, he should go. he family. no, he should go. he doesn't. well, his wife, doctor jill, i am as well aware she she speaks to him like a baby. i don't know if you've seen him footage. it's very worrying . but footage. it's very worrying. but as, trump will want him to stay

because you've got to say, be careful what you wish for. because if they get another one in and a democrat in to fight trump , he could. trump could trump, he could. trump could lose. but what worries me with this, this could be the biggest american cover up that's ever been. what do you mean in the meaning that they knew biden wasn't fit for office? we all knew, but they covered it up . knew, but they covered it up. they fed the media. they have fed that. he's well, he's fit. he's agile to do this job. he is quite evidently not fit for anything. he should be, you know , they shouldn't let him stand there. this, in my eyes, is elder abuse. because if you, you know, you wouldn't let anyone that ill stand up and let alone be president of the united states . states. >> well, look, you said to me when we discussed this previously, i wasn't being honest. i am being honest . honest. i am being honest. genuinely. i think he's had a good track record. 11 million jobs, created the lowest unemployment for 50 years. it's a good record. but but but

what's the debate on thursday? exposed was a degree of frailty and a degree of old age that should stop him from standing for re—election. and i think there needs to be a series of difficult conversations, most particularly between his wife and him, to persuade him to stand down. and he's always been a good servant of the american people and a good servant of the democratic party. and i hope he can be persuaded to not debate his doctor. >> jill loves being first lady. she loves the power more than him . did you see the rally at him. did you see the rally at nonh him. did you see the rally at north carolina? >> she came on running on introducing. didn't want to give the mic away. and literally she loves the power and all the kudos that comes with being first lady too much. and sadly, what's so sad about that? she loves that more than anything. more than her own country and her people. because she would actually tell her husband it's time to go and time to get help because he's obviously not well, i honestly think that's a mischaracterisation lizzie.

>> i think a factor is that joe believes that he should have been president much earlier in his life. i mean, how many times has he run for the presidency? >> 3 or 4 times, bill, we all believe that we could have done something. no. >> no life. >> no life. >> i should be miss world. >> i should be miss world. >> i'm agreeing. >> i'm agreeing. >> be a billionaire. i've got to wait now a couple of years. but hold on. >> i'm agreeing that he should stand down. but what i'm trying to analyse. >> but i can't understand why people like you. bill. you know, you're a lovely man, but why? you would even be almost an enabler as you watch this. and only now your eyes are open and you're saying, oh, well, i watched it. it was this. it's like i saw that. i saw that years ago. abuse. this is abuse, man. >> because i think he has been doing the job effectively as time . hold on. he is not the time. hold on. he is not the same today as he was when he was elected in 2000. and he was a lot worse. yeah, .there's been an ageing process that's taking place. >> i wasn't convinced a big cover up bill. >> there's not been a cover up. i wasn't convinced, not covered. east park obvious. i wasn't

convinced it disbarred him. but i think the debate and he called for the debate to be earlier in the cycle than it normally is, so that he could rebut the age issue and it catastrophically backfired. all right. well, he needs to stand down. >> 66% of the american people think he will even die before he gets elected. >> okay, well, listen , i want to >> okay, well, listen, i want to go straight now live to keir starmer, who is speaking right now. thank you. thank you . now. thank you. thank you. >> thank you very much . thank >> thank you very much. thank you . thank you . you. thank you. >> can i start just by thanking all of our speakers ? all of our speakers? >> and dan, that was fantastic .

>> and dan, that was fantastic. >> and dan, that was fantastic. >> the idea of walking up camden high street and seeing dan, i was on my way back from my office, walking home, and we caught each other at eye and had that conversation to go from that conversation to go from that place to you standing on this stage , making this speech . this stage, making this speech. >> and dan is 18 years old and he's never stood on a stage and ever done anything like that before. it is fantastic . before. it is fantastic. i shall keep on bumping into people on camden high street for a long time yet. dan but look, thank you to all of you for being here as well. it's a busy

saturday. it's a hot and warm saturday. it's a hot and warm saturday. you could be with your friends. you could be with your families. you could be with contact creator. and this is a summer, an important summer where we all have together one job, one job to make sure it's a summer of change, to restore hope, to restore spirit, belief in a better future . to have that in a better future. to have that opportunity to take our country forward together. so whether you're a family that's been struggling these last few years through the cost of living crisis , with bills bearing down crisis, with bills bearing down on you, that you fear you can't pay, on you, that you fear you can't pay, whether you're a business that's been struggling for years

under the damage that this government has done to our economy , whether you've served economy, whether you've served in uniform or your community. this campaign is for you. this fight for change is for you and the power of the vote belongs to you . and you can use it to stop you. and you can use it to stop the chaos, to turn the page and start to rebuild our country. thank you . and that's. start to rebuild our country. thank you . and that's . and thank you. and that's. and that's what this project has always been about. four and a half years long years changing our party, ending gesture politics and putting our party back in the service of working

people. country first, party second. and can i say thanks to all the time that you have all given, not just in this campaign. that's a lot of time you've given, but over four and a half years, the leaflets that you've delivered, the knocking on the doors in the sunshine today , but doors in the sunshine today, but often in the rain and the wind, usually in the rain and the wind. those conversations you've had over months and years with people in your communities, everything this party has achieved past and future, is down to your efforts. so thank you for everything .

you for everything. thank you and thank you . thank you and thank you. >> but. >> but. >> and there's always a but in a labour party speech . this is the labour party speech. this is the final furlong. this is the final mile. the last push . and it's mile. the last push. and it's the hardest mile as well . but the hardest mile as well. but it's the chance. absolutely. the chance to do for our country what we did for our party and returned britain to the service of working people. british people want change, but the hope has almost been kicked out . they has almost been kicked out. they need to be convinced that change is possible. most of all, they need to be convinced to vote for

it because change doesn't happen unless you vote for it . unless you vote for it. and nothing is decided. not a single vote has been won or lost, and each and every vote is out there, ready to be earned. and we must earn it. out there, ready to be earned. and we must earn it . we must and we must earn it. we must say, together with one voice. if you want to stop the chaos, you have to for vote it. if you want to turn the page, you have to vote for it. if you want to start the work of national renewal, rebuild our country, return politics to public service. then on the 4th of july, you have to vote for it .

july, you have to vote for it. and . if you vote labour on and. if you vote labour on thursday, we promise the work of change begins immediately to make our country better off with our mission. wealth creation in every community. to get to work on our first steps, our down payments on a better future . all payments on a better future. all as you would expect, fully costed, fully funded . costed, fully funded. first steps that can begin to change the prospects for your family on day one. economic

stability. tough spending rules to make sure that we control inflation. keep prices down. keep taxes down. tackling nhs waiting times with 40,000 extra appointments and operations each and every week till we get those waiting lists . waiting lists. down. we did it before and we'll do it again. we will set up border security command to take back control of our borders and smash the gangs running their vile trade, putting vulnerable people into boats across the channel. and we will set up great british energy that publicly owned company that will generate energy for the future. keep your bills down. give us the absolute security that we need and harness the next generation of jobs. 13,000 police on our streets dealing with anti—social behaviour. and don't let anybody

tell me that anti—social behaviour is low level, doesn't really affect lives. it affects lives up and down the country . lives up and down the country. and of course, 6500 teachers giving your children the start that they deserve in life . that they deserve in life. that's is . and we'll need that's is. and we'll need a clear mandate for this change. don't doubt that . and if you don't doubt that. and if you don't believe me, take a good look at the tories. chaos under liz truss and rishi sunak. two politicians who never had a clear mandate. this is not flicking a switch. we will always have people saying why do we have to do this? why don't we

go slower? britain can't afford that. don't take the risk. but if you want change, you have to vote for it . vote for it. i mean , imagine if you dare i mean, imagine if you dare waking up on july the 5th with the tories back in. it could happenif the tories back in. it could happen if we take our foot off the gas. if people think it's in the gas. if people think it's in the bag. undecided voters and there are millions of them , it there are millions of them, it could happen . and how does that could happen. and how does that feel ? how do could happen. and how does that feel? how do you could happen. and how does that feel ? how do you feel about the feel? how do you feel about the future of our country on a morning like that? to see the

tories back, not just back , tories back, not just back, entitled, emboldened, vindicated, believing they can get away with anything that they could run the nhs into the ground. another unfunded spending spree. your mortgage through the roof again while they get on with serving themselves the same old, same old and nothing you can do about it because we'd be stuck in the same doom loop. pay more, get less for five long years. that's what will happen if there isn't a democratic reckoning. this thursday, and we cannot allow that to happen. don't forget what they have done . don't what they have done. don't forget partygate. don't forget the covid contracts. don't forget the lies . don't forget forget the lies. don't forget the kickbacks. don't forget the cronyism. don't forget the division, the scapegoating of minorities, the failure to invest, the trips to the bookies, the decimation of your

pubuc bookies, the decimation of your public services, telling working people we're all in it together. the people who hurt your family, finances, swanning around in the house of lords after giving tax cuts to the richest 1% that crashed our economy. don't forget any of it . forget any of it. >> thank you . >> thank you. thank you . thank you. and . and. >> and don't risk it because you don't have to. you can stop it. and don't forget that change is in your hands. and you can be

part of it . you can be part of part of it. you can be part of changing our country. next week. we can heal the wounds , bring we can heal the wounds, bring our country together, return politics to service, and start to build a new britain. imagine that as well . to build a new britain. imagine that as well. imagine a britain where wealth is created in every community. imagine everyone treated with dignity and respect at work . treated with dignity and respect at work. imagine our nhs back on its feet , facing the future, the its feet, facing the future, the best technology in the hands of our nhs staff. imagine we build the infrastructure our children need. new towns , new roads, new need. new towns, new roads, new hospitals and schools. the dream of home ownership restored to 1.5 million families. imagine your town centre thriving because everyone feels safe on their streets, and we've given our young people something to do. imagine we show leadership on the climate, harness the golden opportunity of clean british power, create good jobs

across the country, cut your bills for good. imagine we show that politics is about serving the country with purpose, making you and your family better off, and that the whole country says with one voice, whoever you are , with one voice, whoever you are, whatever your background, we back your potential. your contribution is respected. imagine it . contribution is respected. imagine it. fight for it. campaign for it. but first of all, for vote it . all, for vote it. change only happens if you vote for it. and it's time for change. time to stop the chaos. turn the page and rebuild our country by voting labour on july the 4th. thank you so much .

the 4th. thank you so much. thank you, thank you . thank you, thank you. >> thank you . thank you . >> thank you. thank you. we've got to stand in the. thank you . got to stand in the. thank you. we've got a little . brilliant. we've got a little. brilliant. that right ? that right? >> so thank you . thank you , >> so thank you. thank you, thank you . thank you. >> well, that was the leader of

is the saturday five. i'm darren grimes, along with albie amankona, doctor renee hoenderkamp, alex armstrong and benjamin butterworth. tonight on the show senior tories silent on sunak racism why fat children should not ride donkeys. the democrats lied, folks, and joe biden's presidency. well it's died. >> tsunami of illegal immigrants ready for labour on july the 5th. >> and sunak's tories are too posh to rule.

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