>> well . hello. >> well. hello. >> well. hello. >> good afternoon and welcome to gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua. and for the next few hours, me and my panel will be taking on some of the big topics hitting the headlines. right now. this show is all about opinion. it's mine , it's theirs. and of course mine, it's theirs. and of course it is yours. we'll be debating discussing it. at times we will disagree, but no one will be cancelled. so joining me in the next hour, broadcaster and journalist danny kelly, and also broadcaster and author christine hamilton. in a few moments time, we'll be going head to head in the clash with political commentator lee harris and also political commentator and joana jaflue political commentator and joana jarjue now, how important are female only spaces? i'll be discussing that in nana. nigel

before we get started, let's get your latest news headlines with sam francis . sam francis. >> thanks, nana. good afternoon. it's 3:00. i'm ray addison in the gb newsroom . our top the gb newsroom. our top stories. the leader of reform uk has told a gathering of supporters that he'd axed the tv licence fee , which funds the licence fee, which funds the bbc. it comes after he was questioned during an appearance on the bbc's question time programme about accusations that some of reform uk's activists are racist, taking aim at opposition leaders. nigel farage also said he wants to be an alternative to, quote, slippery sunak and described sir keir starmer as having, quote, the charisma of a damp rag. at the eventin charisma of a damp rag. at the event in birmingham, mr farage claimed undercover footage of a campaigner making a racial slur against rishi sunak was part of against rishi sunak was part of a smear campaign, which channel 4 has denied. >> this guy is a set up. 4 has denied. >> this guy is a setup. he was >> this guy is a set up. he was acting from the minute he walked into that office. he came up

with a stream of invective not seen since alf garnett was on the television in the early 19705, the television in the early 1970s, and some of it was just, you know , turning mosques in the you know, turning mosques in the wetherspoons. it wasn't even serious. it was nonsense. >> so i really feel that channel 4 or the production company need to be called before an inquiry. >> let's find out the truth about what happened . about what happened. >> the pm insists an election victory for the conservatives is still possible, despite polls predicting a heavy defeat. in an interview for the sunday telegraph, rishi sunak warned that labour's tax plans would bankrupt people in every generation . however, labour says generation. however, labour says its first steps would be restoring economic stability and cutting nhs waiting lists. the party continues to lead the tories in the polls by around 20 points ahead of thursday's election. pat mcfadden, labour's national campaign coordinator, told us labour has been clear on tax . tax. >> there is nothing in our plans that requires. >> why can't you rule it out now? okay, how about this will

you increase council tax or re band council tax? >> well, there's already under the tory plans, an assumption that council tax will go up under their plans. >> okay. >> okay. >> so will it go up under a labour government. >> nothing in our plans that requires council tax to go up will you tax people's homes? there is nothing in our plans that requires us. >> can you rule out taxing people more to drive a car, or to put petrol and diesel into a car? can you rule that out? >> there is nothing in our plans that requires us to do that now. >> you could nothing in our plans and ruling things out are two different things. >> spanish police have called off the search for missing teenager jay slater in tenerife. the 19 year old, from lancashire, vanished whilst walking to his accommodation on june 17th, according to reports . june 17th, according to reports. a guardia civil spokesman said the search operation has now finished, although the case remains open. it comes just two days after the force appealed for expert volunteers to help explore rugged terrain . a woman

explore rugged terrain. a woman has been charged with misconduct in public office after a video allegedly showed a prison officer having sex with an inmate, 30 year old linda de souza abro, of fulham, was arrested by the met police on the 28th of june. that's after a video filmed inside hmp wandsworth was posted on social media. she is set to appear in custody at uxbridge magistrates court on monday. custody at uxbridge magistrates court on monday . well, in the court on monday. well, in the united states, the white house is pushing back on reports that president biden plans to discuss the future of his campaign with his family at camp david today after a report by nbc that quoted several unnamed sources alleging that some senior party members are pushing for the president to stand aside following his performance in a televised debate against donald trump. but officials say the trip was planned before that debate, and denied that there was any serious discussion about the president's standing down. england will face off against

slovakia later in euro 2024. last 16 action. the two sides go head to head with a quarter final place against switzerland at stake. harry kane has claimed he will be at peak sharpness as he will be at peak sharpness as he looks to find the back of the net, having only scored once in three games. the england captain said he believes the players come into top form at the knockout stage. these fans told gb news they believe their boys can do it. >> i'm looking forward to it. >> i'm looking forward to it. >> i'm looking forward to it. >> i'm doubtful about england but i'm hoping now to pull through and win. >> well , i'm through and win. >> well, i'm just hoping that england start playing some football. >> yes, and i think we should win two one. >> i think england will win two nil. >> i think it'll be a cagey first half and i think it'll be nil nil at half time. but england will find some chances . england will find some chances. >> well those are the latest gb news headlines for now i'm ray addison. sam francis will be with you in half an hour for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news

alerts by scanning the qr code or go to gbnews.com forward slash alerts . slash alerts. >> good afternoon. it's just coming up to six minutes after 3:00 before we get stuck into our debates over this hour, let me introduce you to my head to head as joining me, political commentator lee harris. and also political commentator joana jarjue. right. here's what's coming up today. a savanta poll reveals that labour's vote share has fallen to its lowest rating in more than two years. so i'm asking, is labour's landslide victory a dead cert? and then is the green belt safe under the labour party? according to reports , three housing reports, three housing announcements are set to be made within a fortnight of starmer taking the keys to number 10. that's, of course, if he wins, that could include a review of green belt land. do you fancy a wind farm in your backyard? why are politicians tripping over on bafic are politicians tripping over on basic biology again? many of them struggling to answer how that they would protect

single—sex spaces? there was a really interesting conversation with a caller called jane, and labour seemed to struggle with the issue. then. is it fair to blame jill biden for her husband staying in the presidential race? the us president's wife is under fire from democrat donors over failing to convince the ailing leader to withdraw from the race. is that fair? why is it always the woman's fault? and then should celebrities stay out of politics? frankly, don't you get sick to your back teeth of these people who have more money than sense telling you what to do? elton john is among an array of them that have urged britons to get behind starmer in the general election , but should general election, but should they just stay quiet, get on with singing songs? do you really want to hear what they think? tell me what you think though by sending me your thoughts. post your comments gbnews.com/yoursay . so what do gbnews.com/yoursay. so what do you think? is labour's supermajority a dead cert? there's been a new poll out

today that's revealed that labour's vote share has actually fallen to its lowest rating for more than two years. that is according to a survey conducted by savanta for the telegraph that polled over 2000 adults. the gap between labour and the conservatives appears to have decreased to 17 percentage points, despite that of course, labour's vote share still remains high at 38. i mean, that's pretty good compared to the tories on 21. and then reform nipping at their heels at 14. is that a nip? reform nipping at their heels at 14. is that a nip ? i think it's 14. is that a nip? i think it's more than sort of like a nibble in a separate gb news poll, labour are polling at 40, tories on 15 and reform a staggering 21. that's, of course , gb news 21. that's, of course, gb news viewers on the topic of reform, their leader, nigel farage, was speaking in a rally in birmingham. let's have a listen. >> he couldn't stand aside in a country that is in genuine societal decline , safety, people societal decline, safety, people fearful of going out at night, people scared to even go out to

their local pub , knives being their local pub, knives being carried wholesale by young people in our country. so we are, i have no doubt, in societal decline and i couldn't stand aside in a country that is in cultural decline . in cultural decline. >> right. so that was nigel farage speaking earlier at his rally for reform uk . let's get rally for reform uk. let's get started. let's welcome again to my clashes. i've got political commentator lee harris and also political commentator joana jaflue political commentator joana jarjue hello. it's nice, isn't it, lee? so finally you are in the actual studio. i mean, we were at westminster the other week, but you're here in this lovely studio with nice curved table. >> absolutely. love it. >> absolutely. love it. >> yeah, it's great, isn't it? joana jarjue. i want to start with you. right. so is this is it that landslide labour party? i mean, they're it's going down. we don't know the actual report. the only poll that they keep saying is the one on election day. >> i mean, of course it is. if you ask anyone in terms of just the general mood of the country,

i don't care who you're going to end up voting for instead of the conservatives, whether it's reform, whether it's the lib dems, whether it's labour. the point is, i think that the main uniting factor for the country is that anybody but the tories and i think that labour have done a good job of actually having that as part of their slogan, change. people are basically begging for change because time and time and again, we've seen, you know, whether it's this leader of the conservative party, another leader, there is nothing that's actually significant that they're able to do for the country apart from make it worse. so people are looking for alternative things, whether it's going back to labour after you know, the whole thing with the red wall after boris johnson's election or whether it's a protest vote for somebody else and reform, or whether it's even, you know, tactically voting, i think the country have really been kind of spearheaded and helped with things like that, with people that i really admire, like carol vorderman, who's been really kind of pivotal to that, but that is going to make a difference. that more people, even if you've been tactical voting before, you might laugh, but she has been really working hard to make sure

she she is a political actor. >> whilst working at the bbc, so i literally have not got any respect for that . what i do have respect for that. what i do have respect for that. what i do have respect for that. what i do have respect for is the fact that she did leave and go somewhere else and then spout out her views, which is fine by me and i respect lots of different opinions. although i don't really like people slating people and it's just quite rude about people. >> the only redeeming feature of carol. >> yeah, so i respect that of her. but listen, joana jarjue says that change is good. i could change out of this gorgeous dress into a big bird suit. is that a better change? is that the change for the best? i'm not saying that the change is better or worse, but just because it's change, is that the right thing? >> i think the country is dying out for change now, i think. i mean, look at this labour falling in the polls. what is it? by four points in a week? i mean, to be honest, i'm actually slightly surprised by that because of this whole betting scandal thing doesn't seem to really have had an impact. >> well, the thing is that though, remember there was a labour party person who was also involved in their own way. they better themselves to lose. and i know that happened in the conservatives as well. then there's been a lot of police officers have done it as well.

so it's actually quite widespread and people aren't so shocked or surprised by it. no. >> and i think you're right to say that in general, people are fed up of politicians as a whole. but i think there was a much more focus on the conservatives in that betting scandal. so to see the polls, i mean, well, maybe they've gone quiet now because the labour party have now also have somebody who's done it to very. >> yeah, very true. >> yeah, very true. >> but i think, you know, we kind of expect the polls to , to, kind of expect the polls to, to, to narrow to, towards the election anyway . but it's not election anyway. but it's not going to make any difference. joanna is absolutely correct. i mean the conservatives are going to get slaughtered at the next election without any doubt in my view, and but what about rishi sunak? he is coming out with the fact that he's very good at maths, although, to be fair, he was chancellor and got us, i would say arguably he sort of got us into this mess. but then he did predict liz truss crash in the economy and stuff like that, although i don't know whether she actually did. let's be honest. that's difficult. i think it's unfair really, to literally blame for her the entire she literally it was her fault. >> there's no kind of, you know, pussyfooting around that it's not how is it ? i pussyfooting around that it's not how is it? i mean, she became leader. there's a reason

why she had such a short term. she literally crashed the economy like , say that to all economy like, say that to all the people at home who have had their mortgages tripled. you know, it's just it's obvious you're falling into the joe joe biden trap, though, being blaming the woman for all of this when a lot of this actually, if i'm being more fair, i blame the entire conservative party for creating a situation where that would be the next step. listen, i'm all for being a feminist. it was a woman leader, and if a woman leader does a bad job, i'm going to call it out. and at the end of the day, but remember the position of the economy where it was before it went further down. >> so it was not in a good place to begin with. so i'm saying that to blame the entire thing on her. >> but it was her policy. >> but it was her policy. >> well, well, i would say she got wrong and she was the timing and the communication. >> that's what liz got wrong with, to say that she crashed. economy is fundamentally incorrect. >> look, the evidence at these people's mortgages . people's mortgages. >> yeah, but if you look at the interest rate increase, they were already happening. the interest rates were already going up. that's right. and if you look at a longer graph of how that was panning out, there

was only a little dip. there's no there was no permanent or long term. that's why i find it incredibly frustrating. >> it doesn't matter whether it was a little or a big dip or what the numbers were. the point is, it's about the impacts that people labour are making out that previous liz truss lee carry on labour were making out that this was a permanent problem, that she has made it look, everyone's paying more on their mortgages because of liz truss is simply not true. >> the trajectory was already going in that direction, but you are right. i do not disagree. what she didn't do is get her figures right. she didn't say where she was going to get the money from. the communication was poor and the timing was poon was poor and the timing was poor. but was her strategy right? yes, it was . we need a right? yes, it was. we need a bit more liz truss in the economy. >> although rishi sunak said he predicted that she would. well, the economy would crash and he's predicting now that labour will do the very same thing. >> i mean , obviously rishi sunak >> i mean, obviously rishi sunak is going to say say that, isn't he? there's nothing in terms of policies. >> i mean, some of them let's, let's , let's start with the let's, let's start with the green levy, the 28 billion that

they were going to get in green jobs. they were going to get in green jobs . actually, it was the jobs. actually, it was the markets that were so concerned that they were worried that this policy would destabilise them, which is why the labour party backtracked. >> look, i think it's really funny how it's basically the labour party, you know, the damned if they do , damned if damned if they do, damned if they don't. they basically put that pledge of 28 billion and then obviously rolled back on it slightly and said, look, we're going to be more sensible after liz truss attacks the economy. and then people then say, oh, is a u—turn. you can't believe anything that labour says and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. they're actually sensible and rachel reeves saying the right thing. >> okay, let's talk about the pubuc >> okay, let's talk about the public schools policy. that's going to raise 1.7 billion. okay. out of an education budget, which is about 116 billion, okay. it requires there's about 600,000 people in these private schools , about these private schools, about 40,000 now predicted to come out of these schools, which means that labour party have a problem with distribution of the 40,000 kids. first of all, the state sector is quite, you know , quite sector is quite, you know, quite full. and it also has a dip in the amount of income it will receive if they don't get the right numbers of people paying at these schools, 20% slap on

increase. they've had to move it back because it's clearly even trade unions are now complaining. and the obr, who are saying if it doesn't bring in the right amount of money, they should scrap it also might be illegal. no, no, no i'm asking john. no it might. yes that's true. thank you for that. >> the key fundamental thing is that the education system needs to change in this country. right. we'd all agree and that needs to change. so labour have put something in place and i don't think that it's even anything that's that bad to say that you know what you're paying for a service. you should pay taxes. just the fundamental let's just take a step back and look at the fundamentals of it. right. why should people who are sending their kids to private school get any type of privilege , more privilege than other services that you pay for? it's not a charity . it's not not a charity. it's not something that some of them are actually. >> and a lot of them do a lot for the community. is joanna right though? is she right? >> no, i think this one really does my head in about the labor party. it seems a really counterproductive thing to do for multiple reasons. and the two main reasons for me is , two main reasons for me is, first of all, it is only going to target the families that are

working really long hours to pay for their kids to get, you working really long hours to pay for their kids to get , you know, for their kids to get, you know, the taxi drivers who are doing all the hours under under god's earth to get their kids into private school. those are the people this is going to affect. it's not going to affect the people who are really wealthy. they're going to be able to afford these additional fees. plus, you are going to have extra burden on the school system, which nana has just mentioned . and the fact that the mentioned. and the fact that the fact that kids are it's the extra burden on the school . and extra burden on the school. and there are kids right now in private schools that are going to end up in the state system . to end up in the state system. and i just think it's quite. >> but the key is we have to prove we have to improve the state. >> but you don't improve by dumbing down the thing that's working. that's just my view on it . and also i think i slightly it. and also i think i slightly object to the notion that i feel sorry for the children who will be pulled out of a school. i think that's quite psychologically disturbing. but listen , let's move on. what do listen, let's move on. what do you think , gbnews.com/yoursay? you think, gbnews.com/yoursay? i'm just thinking of the psychological disruption to a child who moves from one school to the next. it is quite is quite difficult, i think, in

school. but according to reports and labour could begin a house building blitz in the first fortnight of taking the keys to number 10 in a bid to tackle the housing crisis. now it has been suggested that keir starmer is set to make three announcements that could see a major review into the green belt land and labour has said that creating affordable homes will help those from working class backgrounds. so is the green belt safe under laboun so is the green belt safe under labour, and actually, are these plans the right thing to do? we actually have a housing shortage. we need more houses to be built. surely the only place left is the green belt. >> yeah, i mean, this is something that i think no one can argue with. we do have a housing crisis in this country. and i think, looking at the way it's gone, certainly with the conservatives, they haven't hit their targets. in fact, to be fair to all of them, none of them have hit their targets on house building so many, many, many years . so if keir starmer many years. so if keir starmer is right, i'll give him this one. he said he wants to hit the ground running, one. he said he wants to hit the ground running , they are going ground running, they are going to start big house building programmes by relooking at the

green belt. i mean , it doesn't green belt. i mean, it doesn't sound as bad as it sounds. i think 1% of if you can build a 1% of green belt, that's around 740,000 additional houses, 1% doesn't sound massive to me. and they do say, i can't believe i'm being positive about labour here, nana. but they do say that they will be focusing or focusing what's called kind of grey belt, which is the lower quality green belt, and prioritising brownfield sites. but we need more houses, but they may be adjusting planning laws or ripping apart certain planning laws. >> yeah, that that the only thoughts of that is that if somebody bought their house in good faith with the expectation of a land behind them or around them, not this is also part of their growing the economy as well. but but joana jarjue in theory, it's good. no mention of what they're going to do with the real tackling of immigration, though, because at the end of the day, this is what perhaps nigel farage's party may say. you can build as many houses as you like, but if you've still got your population surging out, you'd need to build. i don't know how many. it was a minute, but a lot of houses to accommodate it. >> look, obviously when we talk

about housebuilding and when we talk about, you know, the population in general, we have to take into into consideration immigration numbers. i completely accept that. but also we need to look at, you know, how our society has changed as well in terms of people my age, you know, millennials who are wanting to buy houses or even rent. how they're actually living and cohabitating is completely different from how it was before. oh, do you live with your mum population? i didn't mean to. >> jon rahm do you live with your parents? we've got an aj, we've got an ageing population and we've also got people who we don't really have that nuclear family as much as as we did before, which means that obviously we're going to have more demand. >> so we need to be able to do this. and also kind of just reanalyse what we even mean by the green belt. you know, i think for a lot of people, people think that, you know, the green belt is our national parks and things that, you know, our great british countryside. but a lot of these places that are designated as green belts are, in fact car parks. and i think that actually to extend this in terms of you know, planning laws and stuff, we should look also the high street, the amount of just vacant properties that are

out there just that they're empty, that maybe could be converted into into flats of people and families are living a lot more separately now. >> well, as long as they put the infrastructure in place as well, because, you know, you get a load of houses and no infrastructure, then it's all a bit of a nightmare. but what do you think? gb views gbnews.com. or you can get in touch via gb views at gb views. i've said that to us now. gbnews.com forward slash your say this is the clash . i'm nana akua. we're the clash. i'm nana akua. we're live on tv, online and on digital radio. it's just coming up to 22 minutes after 3:00 on the way. is it fair to blame jill for joe? the way. is it fair to blame jill forjoe? is the way. is it fair to blame jill for joe? is that fair? seriously the us president's wife is under fire from democrat donors . they're saying that donors. they're saying that basically she needs to convince him to withdraw from the race. but why is it her fault ? why are but why is it her fault? why are politicians tripping over basic biology ? sir keir starmer biology? sir keir starmer struggled to answer how he would protect single—sex spaces after a caller took him to task. and we had also david lammy struggling. we've also seen ed davey from the liberal democrats struggle with the questions as to whether a woman has penis or not. what do you think? get

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25 minutes after 3:00. if you're just tuned in. welcome. we are britain's election channel. the election next week, thursday. you make sure you keep it locked @gbnews. we will bring you coverage throughout. now, before the break, i was discussing whether labour's majority is a dead cert and of course, their position on the green belt land. let's have a look at what you've been saying on the economy. mark says this about liz truss. if liz truss was so competent, why didn't rishi sunak describe her economic plan as fantasy during one of the election debates? well, he would , because he was well, he would, because he was going up against her, wasn't he? so he's not going to say, oh, this is a brilliant plan. what a fantastic, cunning plan. i should have thought of this. he's not going to say that out loud, is he? he's actually sort of heading towards that direction now, john says. i think financial institutions crash the economy as a response to liz truss's growth policy. do you know what? who gets to win

when you put up interest rates and then you don't pass them on to your customers? i think you might have something in that one. and steve says criticism of liz truss has nothing to do with her being a woman. she was just a clueless prime minister. oh go jul . well, the lettuce did live jul. well, the lettuce did live longer, but you know, liz, liz is. i don't know what she. i think she had the right idea . think she had the right idea. just executed with neolithic incompetence. i got that out of her. what was that film, lethal weapon. right now , this is the weapon. right now, this is the clash. i'm nana akua. why do politicians keep tripping up on bafic politicians keep tripping up on basic biology? so keir starmer has frequently changed his stance on the matter from claiming it's not right to say that only women can have a cervix to admitting it was important to protect female only spaces, and that's as liberal democrats ed davey, he had an issue with it as well. he said a woman can't have a penis. and then they're seeking to remove then they're seeking to remove the need for medical diagnosis before an individual changes their sex on a birth certificate . in the meantime, rishi sunak has said the tories would categorically protect spaces for

women. but most recently, i've got to say this one if you didn't hear it, here it is. sir keir starmer was taken to task on the bbc by a caller over his views. have a listen, jane. >> i am listening and i've long championed women's spaces, biological women's spaces and jane, it goes back many years before i was a politician, i was the director of public prosecutions between 2008 and 2000. >> i don't i don't care about all of that. i care about is you saying that you're going to allow men to identify as women making grcs easier, and then they can come into women's spaces? >> jane, when it comes to women's spaces , biological women women's spaces, biological women spaces in relation to the particular example i was going to point you to was when i was doing work, trying to drive up the protection for women who had been subjected to violence, domestic violence, sexual violence. >> she's not interested in the past. no, no, no, this is daily. this is toilets. changing rooms. just this isn't about what you have done. this is about what we want to be done.

>> jane, just hear me out. >> jane, just hear me out. >> i don't care about what you did in the past. we want you to say sex cannot be changed and you will protect us from men coming into our space. >> i have protected in the past and worked with those protecting women's spaces . women's spaces. >> jane, can you say now? can you say now that you will not allow men , biological men, under allow men, biological men, under any guise to come into women's safe spaces? >> we will of course. >> we will of course. >> can you say that? because we shouldn't have to be kind to these very few men. you need to think about 51% of the population who are sick of the absolute twaddle that comes out of your mouth when we ask these questions. >> jane , i can't help with that. >> jane, i can't help with that. >> jane, i can't help with that. >> listen, it's not just him. many others appear to be confused. come on, david lammy said that you can make a cervix. i mean , seriously, and we've i mean, seriously, and we've talked about ed davey. he's previously said that women can have a penis so a woman can have a penis. >> well, quite clearly . really

>> well, quite clearly. really joanna lee, what are your thoughts ? thoughts? >> joanna? come on. well, surely you can't support this nonsense. >> a woman . a woman, somebody >> a woman. a woman, somebody identifying as a woman technically can. if you believe in gender identity, then yes, he should have. you know , specified should have. you know, specified that it's not just, you know, saying woman specifically in terms of thinking about that as biology, but it is biology. >> okay. if it's not biology, what is our identity? no. hold on, hold on. if it's not a biological reality, what is a woman? >> it depends. if you see a woman, what is a woman? well, somebody who in this day and age. and if we're going to be, you know, inclusive of the trans community and you believe in gender identity, then it's about somebody who can identify legally as a woman. but what is that ? that? >> what is that? what is that, though? like what makes you okay? what makes you a woman if it's not biological reality? yeah. what would you describe? >> a woman is somebody who was transitioned. someone who was

transitioned. someone who was transitioned or somebody who was born as a woman. so both both . born as a woman. so both both. but what is that? >> see, i can say, yeah, biologically a woman has a vagina. i can say a woman has a cervix . most women. and unless cervix. most women. and unless there's something wrong with the woman, most of us have a cervix. they can go through menopause. we have periods and we can give birth. i can easily biologically say to you what a woman is. you cannot. >> well, i think personally, where i draw the line and i get where i draw the line and i get where you're coming from now with the question and where i draw the line, if somebody has actually transitioned physically in terms of had some sort of surgery and become a woman and then can actually legally identify as a woman, not just somebody who puts on a wig and says that you know, i am now a woman. and the reason why i say thatis woman. and the reason why i say that is because of cases like isla bryson in scotland, where, you know, you're charged with two counts of rape in 2019, and then by 2020, you've got a but you but your initial definition was somebody who has a gender certificate. >> isla bryson could have easily and i don't know whether he did

or didn't, but could have easily got one of these, especially in scotland, where they're making it easier. so someone like him would have been seen as a woman. >> that's where i draw the line, and that's what i don't agree with. but i do think that once you've transitioned, you can't attack somebody, you can't check what someone's transitioned your genhaua what someone's transitioned your genitalia and you've become a woman. then i think that lee harris, lee harris woman is an aduu harris, lee harris woman is an adult human female . adult human female. >> yeah. and i just it's frustrates and i do think about this a lot. i'm the only man in the house. i have an eight year old daughter and a wife. and i do think about this a lot. and i worry about my daughter's future when this just can't be discussed. like grown ups. i think i'm watching children whenever, whenever i see this being debated especially well or not debated in the case of listening to people like keir starmer, who just obfuscates about everything, he can't answer the question. i think it's absolutely infuriating . why it's absolutely infuriating. why can't they just state and i'm not i don't want to directly have a poppy because i know, i know what you're saying. go on. i know clash. i do know i do genuinely understand what you're saying. so you're saying that we

should be respectful and kind? i don't think that's that's not the point. yeah. i don't think anybody is saying that they're going to be just because we're not. you know, a man cannot become a woman and a woman cannot become a man. but if a man wants to be called tracy and dresses like a woman, i've got absolutely no problem with that. but they should not be able to have access to women only spaces, in a previous life i used to do a bit of recruitment. l, used to do a bit of recruitment. i, as a man was not even allowed to phone on the telephone. a women's refuge centre because i was a man and those are the sorts of situations. and you mentioned isla bryson as well. those are the sort of situations where actually we do need to have a proper , serious, not, not have a proper, serious, not, not debate. i don't think the debate even needs to happen. we just need to be sensible about this. >> and realistic. no, but i yourself, i've got to go for the news. but i will come back to this. we will come back to it when we return. and of course, your thoughts as well. just coming up to 33 minutes after 3:00. this is gb news where britain's election channel. i'm nana akua coming up. is it fair

to blame jill biden for her husband staying in the presidential race? always the woman's fault. isn't it pretty much. but first, let's get your latest news headlines with sam francis. >> nana, thank you very much. >> nana, thank you very much. >> and good afternoon to you. it's 3:33. the top story this afternoon. the leader of reform uk has told a gathering of supporters that he'd axe the tv licence fee, which funds the bbc. it comes after nigel farage was questioned during an appearance on the bbc's question time programme about accusations that some of the party's activists are racist. well, at the event in birmingham, mr farage claimed undercover footage of a campaigner making a racial slur against rishi sunak was, he said, part of a smear campaign, though channel 4 has denied those allegations . the denied those allegations. the prime minister insists an election victory for the conservatives is still possible,

despite polls predicting a heavy defeat. in an interview for the sunday telegraph, rishi sunak warned that labour's tax plans would bankrupt people in every generation . however, labour says generation. however, labour says its first steps in power would be restoring economic stability and cutting nhs waiting lists. the party continues to lead the tories in the polls by around 20 points ahead of thursday's election . meanwhile, voters in election. meanwhile, voters in france are heading to the polls in a snap election there that could see the country's first far right government since the second world war. if the national rally does win, macron would still remain as president until his term ends in 2027. but he could be forced into an awkward power sharing agreement with the eurosceptic jordan bardella, who's just 28, installed as prime minister spanish police have called off the search for missing teenager jay slater in tenerife. the 19 year old, from lancashire, vanished while walking to his accommodation on june the 17th. it comes just two days after the

force appealed for expert volunteers to help explore rugged terrain on the island and in the us . the white house is in the us. the white house is pushing back on reports that president biden plans to discuss the future of his campaign with his family at camp david today. that's after a report by nbc news that alleged that senior party members are pushing for the president to now stand aside following his performance in a televised debate against donald trump. but officials say the trip was planned before the debate . that's the latest from debate. that's the latest from the gb newsroom. for now, i'm sam francis. i'll be back with your next update at 4:00 for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone , sign up to news your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code, or go to gbnews.com >> forward slash alerts . >> forward slash alerts. >> forward slash alerts. >> welcome to the clash. if you

just tuned in, where have you been? no, we're live on tv, onune been? no, we're live on tv, online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua. still to come, should celebrities stay out of politics? and that is on the way . but first, is it fair to blame jill biden for her husband , joe jill biden for her husband, joe staying in the presidential race? not go

good afternoon. welcome. this is gb news. we are britain's election channel. the election coming up thursday. don't go anywhere. we'll be covering it throughout as well. i'll be. i'll be somewhere on friday. stay with me. but lots of you have been getting in touch with your views on topics that we've been discussing throughout the show. on liz truss, mary says, i didn't think liz truss was prime minister long enough to crash anything , on minister long enough to crash anything, on our discussion on gender identity, mark says , why gender identity, mark says, why does sir keir starmer even say biological women ? it's just biological women? it's just women. listen, i agree, but you know, you know, and on schools,

jones says, i find it so disingenuous when people say that parents who send their children to private schools are disadvantaging the public education system, it is in fact, quite the opposite. they pay their taxes. so they pay twice already. that's what i said. i'm with you now. i've got to come back to joana jarjue because she wanted to make a. we were talking about the whole trans debate. where were you on it? >> yeah. you know what? i'll be completely honest. i kind of stumble over my words when i'm talking about it because it's such a sensitive topic and i never want to kind of offend anyone. and i am pro people and, you know, deciding their gender identity and transitioning and being treated with respect and but sometimes i also think to myself the same way that i'm so kind of open and welcoming and, and acknowledge all of the things that trans people might and acknowledge all of the go through. i would also like to see that from the other side as well. and so obviously, what do you mean by that? >> you'd like to see trans people more understanding of where we as women. >> yeah, understanding of where women , especially if you're women, especially if you're a trans woman and you, you know , trans woman and you, you know, identify as a woman, then surely, you know, you would

understand that just in the same way that, you know, a trans person might not trans woman might feel unsafe in a male space because they're trans. and obviously we've seen that, trans hate crimes have gone up by 11. so it is a thing. but then at the same time also acknowledge the same time also acknowledge the fact that women could be at risk . and can i just say to risk. and can i just say to clarify, it's not that women are at risk of genuine trans women in their spaces. it's the fact that when you open up these spaces, sometimes what can happenis spaces, sometimes what can happen is that actual men who are predators or predators to be legitimate trans women of course, i actually think that a solution for this would to be have, you know, some sort of legislation where they have their own separate, like a gender neutral toilet. that's that's you know, but i think we've all i mean, that seems pretty obvious to me . pretty obvious to me. >> and i don't get why there's a sort of forcing on the oh, well, we'll just, you know, we can all be the same, but we're not. and there's a reason why we're not. because and a lot of people say, oh, that trans people are the most vulnerable, i actually think women are the most vulnerable. women are the most vulnerable. women are the most vulnerable proportionately as well. but everyone in a sense,

in that environment is vulnerable. so i just think then there should be a space for a third space. i don't see what the problem is , and i don't get the problem is, and i don't get why anyone would would see that as a bad thing. it doesn't make you transphobic for suggesting something that is obvious. >> i think the problem is with that though, and i agree that is the perfect solution is that wherever you go, there's always a third space. everyone's happy. that's job done effectively, but if there isn't, we haven't got the infrastructure for it. >> well, some places, the majority of places you go there's a men women's and then there's a men women's and then there's a. >> yeah where there are places i've been to, places where there is kind of unisex, like where you go to a, i think they need to stop that. that's fine. >> but i think they need to stop that. >> there are a lot of places where there aren't. you know, when my when my wife takes my daughter swimming, for example, down the swim there, there isn't in that particular place. >> can i just can i just pick up on that very quickly? >> because i've got to move on to the next topic. >> difference between now there's so many spaces. just before this show, i went into a unisex toilet and nobody, none of us liked it. >> nobody likes it. >> nobody likes it. >> yeah, but then nobody. >> yeah, but then nobody. >> we don't want it, though. >> we don't want it, though. >> if we could change it, we would. nobody's making that much

of a of a big deal about it. we already have. that exists. yeah. we do, but remember you're in an environment where everybody's sort of we all sort of know each other and so on and so forth. >> we're talking about when you go to a, we're talking about when you go to a real public exposed space where there's not, well, there's unisex toilets, it already exists, actually. they're changing. i think they're changing that. now. i don't really like that. i don't i agree, but a lot of times as well, in those spaces, they are single cubicles that you shut the door in and it's just you. so in that space, i don't so much mind that. but if it is one where you're in a place where there's lots of, you know, there's lots of, you know, there's an open thing and it's just i don't think it works. and i think that i would love it for them to change it. i think it's been being i think there is a new law now that says it has to have male, female and a separate space, but i think all developers should be doing that. but hey, what do i know, i'm only a woman. exactly right. so what do you think? get in touch, gbnews.com/yoursay just coming up to 44 minutes after 3:00. next up, president joe biden . next up, president joe biden. his wife jill, has been slammed by democrat donors over failing to advise her husband from

pulling out of the presidential race despite a woeful performance in the tv debate. it was terrible, wasn't it, against donald trump, the 81 year old claimed that he still intends to run for the next election, and dunng run for the next election, and during a rally, president joe biden directly addressed the limits of his old age. >> i don't work as easy as i used to. i don't speak as smoothly as i used to. i don't debate as well as i used to, but i know what i do know. i know how to tell the truth. yes i know right from wrong and i know how to do this job. i know how to get things done . and i know, to get things done. and i know, like millions of americans know, when you get knocked down, you get back up . get back up. >> yes. with a little bit of help. sorry, i couldn't resist. that was actually i stole that from lee. so come on, let's get started. let's welcome again to my panel , started. let's welcome again to my panel, political commentator

lee harris and political commentatorjoana lee harris and political commentator joana jarjue lee harris, starting with you. yeah i don't get this whole joe biden thing. i think he shouldn't have even been put forward. and actually, the very first election that he got elected president, i didn't work that out either. >> completely agree. i've been saying it from the pretty much for two years. i think, from looking at the way he's been gradually declining, i say gradually, quite quickly declining. my grandad passed away not that long ago, a couple of years ago now, and i see very, very similar things between the two, for example , between the two, for example, drifting off at the end of a sentence. so trying to finish your point and then drifting off the inside. just to me, it's been obvious that he's had something like dementia, alzheimer's and parkinson's or something like that, possibly. and it's been affecting him very visibly. and i saw a clip on social media this weekend of him talking in 2012, 12 years ago, to today. it couldn't have been more different. and to think that trump is only, what, three years younger than joe biden ? he

years younger than joe biden? he looks 30 years younger than joe. >> i think it's wrong of them as well. continue to focus on age. when it's not age, it's actually decline because if you have somebody who's 80, you can get a very fit 80 year old who can do the job quite easily, and you get somebody who's in decline, like joe biden, joe. >> but then the point is that, you know, yes, we've seen certain things and before i used to defend joe biden quite a lot because, you know, people would take the mick out of him for falling up the stairs, you know, air force one. and i'm like, okay, but hang on. if we actually look at overall in terms of some of the economic policies that he's put in place in the us, bidenomics has been relatively successful. you don't really think that he actually did any of that? no, but it doesn't matter the point. >> it does matter who's behind him. >> well, of course he's the one that's actually setting the straight. you can't tell me that he is actually just because somebody stumbles over their words doesn't mean that they're not. they're completely not. >> this is not about him stumbling. okay. that is a stumbling. okay. that is a stumbling over words. fine. i'm not sure how you excuse talking to literally no one and having to literally no one and having to be drawn back by giorgia meloni. i'm not sure how you explain i don't. well actually,

i do have one explanation of where you're standing there pretending there's a toilet or whatever you're doing and not realising when you're in front of all the world leaders. i don't mean to be funny, but it's not just his words, it's also his behaviour. >> i understand that, and i completely concede that previously i felt like it was enough to still you know, defend him. now i think that they need to replace him. and i get that. but what i'm saying is the overall you can't say that three years ago they should have had him out. i don't i don't agree with that. i don't agree with that at all. but i do think that in terms of some of the things that he's done in the us has been far greater than than what trump has done, even for the economy. >> i think it's been obvious for a very long, very long. but i will agree with you in the last what, maybe six months, it has been, i think it's just gone on us. it's got a hell of a lot worse. very, very worse from a very bad place to begin with. >> and i think , frankly, i don't >> and i think, frankly, i don't know why people don't get honest about our politicians. and if somebody really cannot do the job, i think it's actually far kinder to just say, look, you're not fit for this job. we need to move you on. but is it joel's fault? i don't know , coming up fault? i don't know, coming up my niggle, i'm asking, can a

woman have a penis? you know, you knew i'd go there next. so should celebrities get involved in politics? elton john is among an array of celebrities that have urged britons to get behind keir starmer in the general election, but should they just keep quiet

good afternoon. if you're just tuned in. welcome. we are britain's election channel. this is gb news. i'm nana akua. next up , it's the clash. elton john up, it's the clash. elton john has urged the great british pubuc has urged the great british public to vote for sir keir starmer in the upcoming general election. that's during a video message that was played out at the labour rally. the singer expressed the creative opportunities that he enjoyed through those close ties with europe, and that they were at risk of dying out. i mean , he risk of dying out. i mean, he isn't the first celebrity to show his support for the party. he had the likes of james norton

, deborah meaden, beverley knight. all of them have thrown their weight behind sir keir starmer. well, i'm going to start with joana jarjue. what do you think? do you think it's great these celebrities coming out? yeah absolutely. >> and i even think it's ridiculous when people come for gary lineker as well. i think, you know, some of these things, you know, some of these things, you know, some of these things, you know they're also human beings we're not coming from. >> like if he does something that's ridiculous and then no, but he's not going to just carry on and get away with that proportion. >> the way that people just attack gary lineker for having an a, well, perhaps. >> well, he still has yet to apologise for me for his behaviour, but he won't be doing that so well. >> i think that people like elton john who don't work for the bbc, there's no kind of room for debate. at the end of the day, he's a private citizen. he's a british person. he has contributed so much to british society and british culture. if he wants to throw his weight behind a particular party, then great. same with beverley knight and the rest of them. and i think that for their fans who tend to be quite liberal, even when you look at glastonbury festival, there's so many political statements that are being made there. and i think part of artistic expression is also being a bit political and

this movement, this sort of smacks to me is like, you know, when all the celebrities signed that letter to stop a flight from taking off, they would have taken a load of people who were criminals somewhere else, back to their home town or wherever they come from . they come from. >> and then a load of people. i think naomi campbell was one of the signatories of the letters. there were lots of them signing the letter saying, oh, don't, don't allow the plane to take off. and then one of the guys went on to commit another heinous crime. i just not that this is relatable in terms of the party, but what i'm saying is it feels like i always feel a bit odd when big celebrities put their names to things. >> yeah, i don't have any problem. of course not in principle with celebrities and declaring that endorsing in a way they can do what they like, you know, it's their own free speech. personally, i think they're mad. i genuinely have never understood this because if i was a celebrity or you know, i had a big brand or anything like that, i would want to remain as neutral as possible. i have a lot more respect for celebrities that just don't get involved and maintain their composure. i've

never really understood it. i don't it's obviously completely support the fact that they do it, but i genuinely i think they're mad they have a platform, but some of them see it as a responsibility because we can talk about, you know, politics in the surface level. >> do you think this do you think that? but then also you've got to acknowledge the fact that, you know, there was some serious things and poverty and things like that going on. so they want to lend? >> well, it's a bit like dwayne the rock johnson, who decided to support joe biden. a lot of people who supported joe biden are running away. but listen, what do you think gbnews.com/yoursay still to come nana senegal in the great british debate. i'm asking, do you believe labour will bankrupt the economy ? loads still to the economy? loads still to come. keep it here. this is gb news . a brighter outlook with news. a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on gb news >> hello, good afternoon and welcome to your gb news weather update brought to you by the met office. we're starting to see some sunshine poke through that cloud this afternoon . there are

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welcome to gb news. we are live on tv, online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua, and for the next two hours, me and my panel will be taking you on some of the big topics hitting the headunes of the big topics hitting the headlines right now. this show is all about opinion. it's mine, it's theirs. and of course it's yours will be debating, discussing and at times we will disagree, but no one will be cancelled. so joining me today is author and broadcaster christine hamilton, and also journalist and broadcaster danny kelly. coming up in my niggle on women's only spaces, stay tuned for that one. and then for the great british debate, i'm asking, do you believe labour will bankrupt the country? but before we get started, let's get your latest news headlines . your latest news headlines. >> nana. thank you very much .

>> nana. thank you very much. good afternoon to you. it's 4:00 on the top story from the newsroom this afternoon. the leader of reform uk has told a gathering of supporters that he'd axed the tv licence fee, which funds the bbc. it comes after he was questioned during an appearance on the bbc's question time programme about accusations that some of reform uk's activists are racist. taking aim at opposition leaders, nigel farage also said he wants to be an alternative to slippery sunak, and described sir keir starmer as having the charisma of a damp rag. well at the event in birmingham, mr farage claimed undercover footage of a campaigner making a racial slur against rishi sunak was, he said, a part of a smear campaign which channel 4 has denied. >> this guy is a set up. he was acting from the minute he walked into that office. he came up with a stream of invective not seen since alf garnett was on the television in the early 19705, the television in the early 1970s, and some of it was you know, turning moss in the wetherspoons. it wasn't even serious . it was nonsense. serious. it was nonsense. >> so i really feel that channel

4 or the production company need to be called before an inquiry. >> let's find out the truth about what happened . about what happened. >> the prime minister insists that an election victory for the conservatives is still possible , conservatives is still possible, despite polls predicting a heavy defeat. in an interview for the sunday telegraph, rishi sunak warned that labour's tax plans would bankrupt people in every generation. however labour says its first steps in power would be restoring economic stability and cutting nhs waiting lists. the party continues to lead the tories in the polls by around 20 points ahead of thursday's election. pat mcfadden, labour's national campaign coordinator, told us earlier that labour has been clear on tax. >> there is nothing in our plans that requires. >> why can't you rule it out now ? >> ?- >> tax? >> tax? >> okay, how about this? will you increase council tax or re band council tax. >> well there's already under the tory plans an assumption that council tax will go up

under their plans. >> okay. so will it go up under a labour government. >> nothing in our plans that requires council tax to go up. >> will you tax people's homes ? >> will you tax people's homes? >> will you tax people's homes? >> there is nothing in our plans that requires us. >> can you rule out taxing people more to drive a car , or people more to drive a car, or to put petrol and diesel into a car? can you rule that out there is nothing in our plans that requires us to do that. >> now you could go. >> now you could go. >> nothing in our plans and ruling things out are two different things. >> meanwhile, in france, voters are heading to the polls in a snap election there that could see the country's first far right government since the second world war. president macron shocked observers when he called for the vote after his centrist alliance was crushed in this month's european elections. his supporters fear the move could backfire, giving marine le pen's national rally a chance to grab power. and if that happens, macron would still remain as president until his term ends in 2027. but he could be forced into an awkward power sharing arrangement with eurosceptic jordan bardella, who's just 2928, installed as prime

minister in spain. police have called off the search for missing teenager jay slater on the island of tenerife. the 19 year old, from lancashire, vanished whilst walking to his accommodation on june the 17th, according to reports from a spokesperson. their search operation has now finished, although the case, they say, remains open. that comes just two days after the force appealed for expert volunteers to help explore rugged terrain . to help explore rugged terrain. a woman has been charged with misconduct in public office after a video allegedly showed a prison officer having sex with an inmate, 30 year old linda de souza abreu, from fulham, was arrested by the metropolitan police on the 28th of june. that's after a video filmed inside wandsworth prison in south london was posted on social media. she's set to appearin social media. she's set to appear in custody at uxbridge magistrates court on monday in

the us, the white house is pushing back on reports that president biden plans to discuss the future of his campaign with his family at camp david today. that's after a report by nbc news that quoted several unnamed sources alleged that some senior party members are pushing for the president to now stand aside following his performance in a televised debate against donald trump. though officials say the trip was planned before that debate and they've denied there was any serious discussion about the president standing down. and in sport, the atmosphere is building as fans gather ahead of england's last 16 match with slovakia tonight at euro 2024, kick off at 5:00. the two sides go head to head with a quarter final place against switzerland at stake. captain harry kane has claimed he will be at peak sharpness as he looks to find the next find the back of the net. having only scored once in three games. the england captain said he does believe that the players are going into the knockout stage in top form.

well, these fans told gb news they believe the team can do it. >> i'm looking forward to it. >> i'm looking forward to it. >> i'm looking forward to it. >> i'm doubtful about england , >> i'm doubtful about england, but i'm hoping now to pull through and win. >> well, i just hope that england start playing some football. yes, and i think we should win two one. i think england will win two nil. i think it'll be a cagey first half and i think it'll be nil nil at half time. but england will find some chances and we'll bnng will find some chances and we'll bring you all the reaction from that match and indeed the scores as we get them later tonight. >> well those are the latest gb news headlines for now. i'm sam francis. more in the next half hour. houn >> for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code, or go to gbnews.com forward slash alerts . forward slash alerts. >> hello. good afternoon. it's

six minutes after 4:00. this is gb news. i'm nana akua. we're live on tv, online and on digital radio. i don't care what political party you're from or what your policies are on this question. can a woman have a penis ? the answer is no. and penis? the answer is no. and politicians need to acknowledge this in order to protect women only spaces. a caller, jane, rightly pointed this out. >> jane, i am listening and i've long championed women's spaces, biological women's spaces. and jane, it goes back many years before i was a politician, i was the director of public prosecutions between 2008 and 2000. >> and i don't i don't care about all of that. i care about is you saying that you're going to allow men to identify as women, making grcs easier , and women, making grcs easier, and then they can come into women's spaces? >> jane , when it comes to >> jane, when it comes to women's spaces, biological women spaces in relation to the particular example, i was going to point you to was when i was

doing work, trying to drive up the protection for women who had been subjected to violence, domestic violence, sexual violence. she's not interested in the past. >> no, no, no, this is daily. this is toilets changing rooms. just this isn't about what you have done. this is about what we want to be done. >> jane, just hear me out. >> jane, just hear me out. >> i don't care about what you did in the past. we want you to say sex cannot be changed. and you will protect us from men coming into our space. >> i have protected in the past and worked with those protecting women's spaces. >> can you say now? can you say now that you will not allow men biological men, under any guise to come into women's safe spaces? we will, of course, protect can you say that? because we shouldn't have to be kind to these very few men. you need to think about 51% of the population who are sick of the absolute twaddle that comes out of your mouth when we ask these questions. >> jane . >> jane. >> jane. >> but care isn't the only one

who seems confused. here's ed davey so a woman can have penis? >> well, quite clearly it was a while ago. >> i mean , maybe he's changed >> i mean, maybe he's changed his mind and more confusion from david lammy the other day. >> is it transphobic to say only women have a cervix? >> david, i don't know if it's transphobic, but it's not. >> accurate. nick i mean, obviously you it's probably the case that only the trans women don't have ovaries but a cervix. i understand, is something that you can have following various procedures , maybe like being procedures, maybe like being born a woman . please, no more born a woman. please, no more messing with language or making out that the term woman can be used to describe a biological male, a biological male who is a trans person is not a different type of woman , but a different type of woman, but a different type of woman, but a different type of woman, but a different type of man, and vice versa. there's nothing wrong with acknowledging this, and it's not transphobic for me to point this out. being a woman is not a

caricature or a set of behaviours. it is a biological reality and forcing me or any other person to deviate from this is confusing to subsequent generations and always seems to impact women negatively . we all impact women negatively. we all agree that people from every walk of life should be treated with dignity and respect , but with dignity and respect, but you cannot escape or medicate out of biological reality or from the pros and cons that come with each sex. i'm tired of this being used as a political football. i want female only spaces to be protected by whoever gets into power and the only way to do that is to ensure that facts trump feelings. a man can never become a woman and a woman can never become a man. it's not transphobic. it's the truth . i can't believe i have to truth. i can't believe i have to keep saying it. but before we get stuck into the debate, here's what else is coming up today for the great british debate. this hour. i'm asking, do you believe labour will

bankrupt the country ? and that bankrupt the country? and that is after prime minister rishi sunak claimed starmer would put up taxes for every generation. then, at 450, it's worldview time. we'll cross over, live to los angeles to speak to paul duddridge, host of the politics people podcast, to get the latest on the election over there. biden's woeful performance in the tv debate against donald trump, the ailing leader, is now facing calls to quit the race from democrat donors . then, at five, it's my donors. then, at five, it's my outside guest now we'll meet a criminal barrister at the top of his game who has defended some of the most dangerous people in society. yes, he'll be live in the studio to talk about his new novel that is coming up in the next hour. as ever, send me your views, post your comments gb news. com forward slash your say . all right, let's get started. let's welcome again to my panel. author and broadcaster christine hamilton is a journalist and broadcaster danny kelly right i love that i'm going to start i'll start with danny kelly. why

not go on. first of all, do you like the new studio? >> i think it's ace. i think it's excellent. and you know what? it's a statement. i think it's not a deliberate statement, but it's a statement to the people who are cynical and doubt the future of this, of this tv radio station. this is like a big six figure investment. do you know, i think it's brilliant. >> i should have put christine on that side because she would have matched the stripes . have matched the stripes. >> i would have paid attention to her word. i said , what i love to her word. i said, what i love are these fabulous chairs . are these fabulous chairs. >> we've got arms we can swivel around. look at that. it's just wonderful. i feel liberated. there's awful stools have gone. >> oh, yeah, it's great. it'd be awful if you sort of swivelled off the edge of it. well, it would, but i didn't. but it would, but i didn't. but it would be caught on camera. danny kelly. so what do you think? >> do you know what that is? the modern equivalent of believing the earth is flat. they are flat earthers. those three people are flat earthers because they cannot admit that a man cannot be a woman, and a woman cannot be a woman, and a woman cannot be a woman, and a woman cannot be a man. if you paid attention to keir starmer's first response to keir starmer's first response to the interview by lbc's nick ferrari, he said well, a biological woman, as if there are two types of women. no

starmer, there's one type of woman. so he already qualified part of his answer. and then david lammy and don't forget, david lammy and don't forget, david lammy and don't forget, david lammy is the div who conflated who had the temerity so ? so? >> so david's not here to defend himself. but are you calling him names ? he's not here to defend yourself. >> that's fine. what is a diff a div is someone who's daft. okay okay, so. >> but he's not here to defend himself. so, you know, if you let me finish and then maybe you'll agree him a name. >> so because he conflated 1930s germany with the brexit referendum . okay. now that is referendum. okay. now that is unforgivable. so that guy who can't even lie straight in bed, i think what he said there, he needs to just say no. a bloke can't have a cervix. >> well, maybe he believes it , though. >> what, that a bloke can have a. well, he sounded like he shouldn't be like, i don't know what a cervix is. >> he shouldn't be. >> he shouldn't be. >> he shouldn't be. >> he doesn't actually know precisely what it is that a womb he doesn't know that he wasn't quite sure. >> and he mumbled on about uteruses. but what they are all terrified of doing is offending a tiny minority of people who are trans, and those who think

that their rights should trump the rights of women. we're not talking about the rights of men, are we? the rights of women? and they are so frightened of offending them that they are not prepared to say comments at keir starmer. i mean, his wife must say to him , pillow talk. now say to him, pillow talk. now come on, keir, for goodness sake, you've got to, you know, come on. >> well he has, but to be fair to keir, he first of all admitted that a woman is an aduu admitted that a woman is an adult female. and then he agreed with tony blair that a woman has a vagina and a man has a penis. so and that's more recently. so he has qualified that he now acknowledges it. but again , when acknowledges it. but again, when they're given questions to apply this qualification, they then seem to struggle. >> and then we have this later. by the way, i thought, jane, she's going to go into the annals of the i mean, very dangerous for politicians to meet members of the public because they trump them just like that. jane was fabulous. i happened to listen to it at the time. i thought, go, go, go, go. she wouldn't let it go. it was wonderful. but, i don't know. it's such a basic issue . it is it's such a basic issue. it is so obvious. why can't they just say, we've now got this problem with the nurses who have walked

out? because this was a man is allowed into their changing room just because he says he's a woman. >> what's that story? >> what's that story? >> yeah, the nurses changing rooms in a hospital. i think they've walked out of the hospital and left their jobs because a man with a penis was coming into their changing rooms, watching them change, staring at them while they changed, which should not be allowed. >> you see, the thing is, as well, starmer defends the man. what has he actually done that though he hasn't done that though he hasn't done that though specifically on this case, has he? he hasn't specifically done that on this case. but what the problem with it is that now was defend okay. but but but he hasn't actually done that . but the problem with done that. but the problem with it is you know and i know this lovely amazing trans people. they are wonderful. yes me too. and they don't even think this is a good idea either. so i wonder what this is coming from because it's obvious. it's quite clear . it's because it's obvious. it's quite clear. it's just to because it's obvious. it's quite clear . it's just to protect clear. it's just to protect female only spaces. that's not aninqu female only spaces. that's not an insult to somebody who believes they're trans. but exactly. this is the nurses said that the guy would actually stare at them once they were changing . so it opens the door

changing. so it opens the door to people who will take advantage . advantage. >> and that's the problem. there are some liberal commentators, and i remember listening to one on, on, on national radio who was was treating this woman's concerns with such casual disregard and contempt when she complained that she didn't want a biological male in the changing rooms watching or just changing rooms watching or just changing next to her. now this this national presenter has daughters. and i wondered whether he was really being sincere or whether he's nailed his colours. so much to the flag. he's got to be intransigent and incorrigible and he cannot change his views because that's the thing. once you and this is why they are in there, you have to because wes streeting, even once you've decided that he's actually not agreeing with what he said earlier. >> so. >> so. >> well, it's great that people can change their minds, but it's one hell of a humiliating climbdown. >> yes, but as jane pointed out, 51% of the population are women, and we have fundamental rights that we were born with, and we've been born with for thousands of years. and we cannot have a minuscule number of people trampling over our rights. it's crazy. >> well, the thing is, and like

i said, most trans people are they are not they're not interested in it. they are not they're not interested in it . and they are interested in it. and they are quite agreeable and very nice and caring, loving people who are going through their own issues. but there you open the door to people who will take advantage of it. and that's the problem. and that's where the problem. and that's where the problem was. keir starmer could not, as a female, only spaces. if a woman can be defined as a man, as a bloke, would you to object to a transitioned male who now has transitioned into a quote unquote female? >> or i get the objection with a bloke who's fully intact? i get that, but what about i don't know, what about like people like india willoughby , for like india willoughby, for example, i think. >> no, absolutely not. i think on principle i think principle on principle i think principle on principle. i think it makes it easier if you have one line and you stay with that, whether you've been through the transition or not. i think there should be third space and that is fine. on a practical basis , is fine. on a practical basis, isn't i? >> which which lewd are they going ? well, on a practical going? well, on a practical basis, where do they be? a third space. they should. >> but but there is in most places because you have to provide a disabled loo or one for others. every building has

to do that. so that would be where i would say a different toilet. oh, that's interesting because and it's usually a disabled. yeah. or you know, because that's usually the space for that space that's dehumanising. no, it's not dehumanising. no, it's not dehumanising . dehumanising. >> they would say no, they wouldn't say i'm not disabled. >> listen , that's not the point. >> listen, that's not the point. >> listen, that's not the point. >> multi sex loos like we do here. >> yeah but that's an open that's an open thing where you have cubicles you can have cubicles. but listen we'll come back to that. what do you think gbnews.com/yoursay. it's always a subject that gets such conversation. but yet it is the most basic biology, isn't it? you're with me. i'm nana akua. this is gb news. we're live on tv, online and on digital radio. coming up, world view. we will cross live to los angeles and hear from paul duddridge, the host of the politics people podcast. get the latest on the race to the white house. democrat donors are all pulling out left, right and centre. can jill convince her husband to withdraw from the contest? but next, it's time for the great british debate this hour. and i'm asking, do you believe labour will bankrupt the country? that's what rishi sunak has said in a recent article. i've got to pull up right now on x, asking you that very question. do you believe that rishi sunak, that rishi sunak

says that labour will bankrupt the country, do not go

good afternoon. 22 minutes after 4:00. this is gb news. we are live on tv, online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua and it's digital radio. i'm nana akua and wsfime digital radio. i'm nana akua and it's time for the great british debate. this hour i'm asking, will labour bankrupt the country now ? labour would bankrupt every now? labour would bankrupt every generation is what rishi sunak has said, as he warned the voters that they have four days to save the country. the prime minister claimed that sir keir starmer's party would raise taxes for people in every stage of life, and that is, as keir starmer said, that his party would not raise income tax. tax national insurance or vat, and others are saying that labour would need to find the money from somewhere . could we see from somewhere. could we see a return to the old tax and spend labour? although, to be honest, coming from rishi sunak, the

person who put the taxes up to the highest ever level that they've been for quite some time, i'm not so sure whether you trust either . so time, i'm not so sure whether you trust either. so for time, i'm not so sure whether you trust either . so for the you trust either. so for the great british debate this out, i'm asking, do you believe labour would bankrupt the country? i'm joined now by neil hamilton. he's a former leader of ukip. political commentator matthew stadlen and political commentator lee harris. matthew stadlen, i'll start with you first. and labour, potential bankruptcy of the country. remember how we picked up how the tories picked up this country all those years ago? there was no money left. >> i mean, has anyone been watching this campaign? >> keir starmer is about as steady as they go. he's about the most cautious politician we've seen in this country for two decades. >> the accusation that the conservatives and others have been throwing at keir starmer for some time now is he's boring i >> -- >> the idea that he's going to crash the economy, particularly if people bother to read labour's manifesto and have a look at the fiscal rules, are aware of economic realities such

as the fact that we now have the obr, the office for budget responsibility, that, by the way , wasn't in place last time. >> labour was in government. so definitely not. i mean, i'm not saying that labour is going to create a utopia and that all of britain's problems, of which there are many and they've been mounting over the last 14 years, are going to disappear overnight or even in a year or two of a labour government. >> it's going to be a real challenge, and the government is going to have to get its hands dirty and do the really nitty gritty. >> but the idea is going to bankrupt the country is just nonsense peddled in part by the right wing media and also, of course, by rishi sunak himself, who is a desperate prime minister. >> in his last week in office, oh well, okay. that's i suppose this could be fair, a fair comment and ladle that in. but you've got to admit, quite a few of the labour policies, including the green ones, have been retracted. >> neil hamilton yeah, well, as you say , nana, the tories have you say, nana, the tories have already done the job for labour, haven't they? >> so liam byrne's note, if it still exists, should be left on the desk. >> there is no money left , and

>> there is no money left, and it's true, you know, the tories have doubled the national debt. >> you know, they spent 500 billion on their covid measures and that's a borrowed money which has got to be paid back or at least financed. >> well, they would argue that, to be fair, the world had to deal with covid. and a lot of other countries are in similar and were in a similar position. and actually we were one of the fastest to recover. >> yeah, but they could have taken the swedish approach, for example, and we wouldn't have got quite in such a mess as we've got now. but as a result of that, of course, the tax burden is at the highest level that it's been since the late 19405. that it's been since the late 1940s. and as a kind of gimmick in the last budget to jeremy hunt, removed non—dom status, which is what labour were planning to do in order to shoot their fox. so the tories are deliberately doing labour's job for them. >> well, to be fair to rishi sunak, as well, he's brought inflation down. we're at 2, aren't we, lee? i mean that's pretty good from where it was. >> yeah, i don't think rishi sunak can take too much credit for that. i think it was going to happen anyway. well hang on, if it hadn't happened you'd be

blaming him. >> so i think credit where credit is due. no. if he'd gone the other way. yeah. >> if he's going to take credit for one you should be at it. but no, i think it's true to say that he can't take too much credit for that, because a lot of the inflation pressures that we were having were more supply side inflation. it wasn't really to do with consumer inflation, it was more supply side. so there wasn't a huge amount that he could have done about it anyway. but yes, you're right, we'll give him the credit for it. i think. look there's 50 billion, tax gap already baked into the system. no matter who takes over , it's going to be takes over, it's going to be difficult. taxes are going to have to go up. the thing that i've got a problem with labour is i don't think they're being completely honest with us about where those taxes are going to come from. and you can tell by the way, that we've had non—answers from a lot of their major politicians over the last week. we don't know what they're going to do. what are they going to put council tax up? are they going to are they going to, you know, go mad on net zero? i think we've already had a leaked recording to saying that there's going to be hundreds of billions that admittedly some of it's going to be coming from private investment. >> but, but but he explained that and that was explained that that and that was explained that that would happen anyway. so they would always get private

investment. 100 billion is pretty pretty standard sort of thing. so they'll have a certain amount of investment. then they will put it out to the private sector as well. this is great british energy. >> true. i just think that there's a they've got to be careful. i don't think it's in labour's dna to be i know they're saying they're going to be pro—business, but it's not in their dna. and they've got to be careful about inward investment and to make sure that they keep this country competitive , which this country competitive, which i think is going to be key in the next few years, especially with what's going on in the european union. >> well, well, well, matthew, i mean, lee's saying it's not it's pretty much in their dna to raise taxes. and let's be fair, they are known as the party who do raise tax. and they've said they won't raise tax on working people. so i'm wondering, have they mentioned where they're going to get the money from? because there's a whole there's a big hole in the, in the coffers and they need to find money from somewhere. >> i point you in the direction this time. >> i mean, a moment ago i pointed you in the direction of sir keir starmer, now pointing you in the direction of direction of rachel reeves . she direction of rachel reeves. she is an extraordinarily from my

experience of her both meeting her in person, interviewing her, but also watching her, as we all have on the television , have on the television, listening to on the radio. she's a very shrewd , smart and a very shrewd, smart and sensible operator, and her priority is absolutely going to be not to rock the boat economically. she wants to have a strong and stable economy. >> and by the way, to the extent that labour are going to be radical in any way, they are going to really start building. that's what we've got to hold them to account over and building what? sorry political building what? sorry political building houses. and there's a left leaning political commentator. it will be partly my job in about five days time to start holding a labour government to account, to make sure that they are going to do what they say they will do. but in terms of economic stability, i would be very, very surprised if rachel reeves does a single thing to rock the boat, and there are now some start the sort of seeds of some, some positive economic tailwinds that i think might help labour in its first 1 or 2 years in office.

>> well, they said the first 100 days they're going to make some big changes. neil >> well, yeah, i believe that when i see it, i think the big problem is that nothing much is going to change under a labour government. we do need change. we need to scrap loads of pointless regulations that are constraining business. on the one hand, if we're going to get a growing economy, we've got to get government off the backs of business and the people generally. that's not going to happen under labour, even it didn't even happen under the tories. that's the big complaint that most people are not going to vote tory this time, having done so in 2019 have got is that they haven't actually acted as a conservative government. they've been acting as a social democratic government and that's why you're going to get from keir starmer and rachel reeves as matthew says, is just a backroom bank of england bureaucrat with no experience whatsoever. >> i didn't think he said that. >> i didn't think he said that. >> he never said that. no, i'm just i didn't say that. >> i'm just interpreting what he said. >> misinterpreting, i think, is the word there. >> no, that's her only experience of business is working in the backroom of a bank of england as a regulator. so she is certainly got no understanding of entrepreneurial

ism or what motivates markets. and that's what we need. >> i'm going to give matthew 20s to come back on that. you've only got 205 because the news is coming up next. >> i think she's a very experienced political figure who's got a big brain , who's got a big brain, understands the economy, and i just ask viewers to ask themselves what rishi sunak was doing during the financial crisis. what was he doing? do you know, making money? >> well, he certainly making money. >> do you think he was? >> do you think he was? >> he certainly wasn't working in the best interests of the country. >> you don't know that. what evidence have you got for that? thatis evidence have you got for that? that is true. no. he was working. where did you read that? on google . that? on google. >> he was working for a big bank. >> no. read the news. >> no. read the news. >> nana. >> nana. >> you know, i read the news. don't. don't patronise me. >> listen, you just patronise me. >> no, no, because you said no, no, listen, it's not who who, who ? you were patronising me and who? you were patronising me and i pulled you up on it. and you. yeah so i'm asking you. i'm asking you. i'm holding you to account as to where you found the information. that's not patronising. where did you find it? >> in the news. >> in the news.

>> in the news. >> in a reputable source. >> in a reputable source. >> which one? there's lots of news. where? what source? >> matthew's making it up. >> matthew's making it up. >> the. >> the. >> whether it was gb news, bbc news or the guardian. >> it's in your head, isn't it? research listen, thank you so much matthew stadler and lee harris. and also neil hamilton. thank you so much. right. this is gb news. we're live on tv, onune is gb news. we're live on tv, online and on digital radio. get in touch gb news. com forward slash your say. we'd love to hear what you think. i will read some of those comments later on. coming up, do you believe that labour will bankrupt the country? we'll continue with the great british debate and i'll be joined by my panellists to continue with that conversation . continue with that conversation. send me your thoughts. still to come outside. guest. now they are a top barrister. they've defended some of the most dangerous criminals in court. you won't want to miss that. but first let's get your latest news headlines. >> very good afternoon to you. it's just coming up to 32 minutes past for the top story

today , the leader of reform uk today, the leader of reform uk has told a gathering of supporters that he would axe the tv licence fee, which funds the bbc. it comes after nigel farage was questioned during an appearance on the bbc's question time programme about accusations that some of the party's activists are racist. well, mr farage also took aim at the opposition parties, saying he wants to be an alternative to slippery sunak and described sir keir starmer as having the charisma of a damp rag. keir starmer as having the charisma of a damp rag . spanish charisma of a damp rag. spanish police have called off the search for missing teenager jay slater in tenerife. the 19 year old, from lancashire, vanished whilst walking to his accommodation on the 17th of june. it comes just two days after the force appealed to expert volunteers to help explore rugged terrain on the island , and voters in france are island, and voters in france are heading to the polls there in a snap election that could see the country's first far right government since the second world war. if the national rally does win, macron would still

remain as president until his term ends in 2027. but he could be forced into an awkward power sharing arrangement with the eurosceptic jordan bardella, who's just 28, installed as prime minister in the us. the white house is pushing back on reports that president biden plans to discuss the future of his campaign with his family at camp david today. it's after a report by nbc news that alleged that senior party members are pushing for the president to now stand aside following his performance in a televised debate against donald trump. but officials say the trip was planned before that debate . and planned before that debate. and the atmosphere is building as fans gather ahead of england's last 16 match with slovakia in the next half hour at euro 2024, the next half hour at euro 2024, the two sides are expected to play the two sides are expected to play against switzerland. whoever wins that match, those two sides go head to head in the quarter final tonight. the england captain said that he believes the players are going

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>> good afternoon. 37 minutes after 4:00. this is gb news. we are britain's election channel. we will have full coverage here on gb news throughout thursday and even friday to give you all the results. we're even having an election party in essex. you can check out our website and find out where and what's going on.and find out where and what's going on. and maybe you can go there and be part of it. but it's time now for the great british debate this out. i'm asking, do you believe that labour will bankrupt the country now? the

prime minister has claimed sir keir starmer's party would raise taxes for people at every stage of life. and that is, as keir starmer says, his party would not raise income tax. national insurance or vat. and others are saying that labour would need to find the money from somewhere. so the great british debate is up. i'm asking, do you so the great british debate is up. i'm asking , do you believe up. i'm asking, do you believe that labour would bankrupt the country? well, joining me now , country? well, joining me now, my panellists, author and broadcaster christine hamilton, also a journalist and broadcaster danny kelly, christine hamilton, coming from the man who has created this scenario that we are in rishi sunak, is it a bit rich coming from him, you know, saying that labour will bankrupt the country ? >> well, 7 >> well, that's that's i ? >> well, that's that's i think what they call a leading question. you're absolutely right. i mean, it couldn't be in a much worse state, as i think my husband said earlier on in the segment that we've now got the segment that we've now got the highest tax rate for 70 years, people are already feeling the pain. but i do also agree with rishi sunak that it is labour's in labour's dna to raise taxes . they believe in raise taxes. they believe in taxing and spending other taxing us and then spending the money for us, because the whole

socialist principle is that they know better than we do how to spend our own money. the tories view is that it's better for people to keep more money in their own pockets. they know how to spend it best. the labour is quite the reverse, as margaret thatcher famously said, the trouble with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money, and that's what it is. taxation is other people's money and spending it. how the government sees fit. obviously, there has to be a certain amount for defence and nhs etc. etc. but my belief is that people will make more money, therefore they will contribute greater to the economy if they are allowed to keep more of what they earn. i mean, there was a time when tax rates were £0.99 in the pound. what is the incentive for working when tax rates are that high? so i think, you know , the high? so i think, you know, the economy is in a in a massive mess. anyway. we've got a massive recovery job on our hands and well we'll see. but my view is yes, they will put they've been very unclear. no we won't put up this. we won't put up that well. >> they've been very clear about income tax , certain things, but income tax, certain things, but they have been very evasive

about other things. >> and what they haven't said is what's it called, stealth taxes. they won't put up the threshold so that people will suddenly find that they're paying more by stealth. >> well , okay. >> well, okay. >> well, okay. >> we'll see a minority of people though. well, yeah , but people though. well, yeah, but if you're not, if all might not be because if the thresholds don't go up, obviously if you're going to get money, you need to get it from the majority little, little bit, but from the majority. well, the alternative is to go after these mega corporations. now they are a minority. they're a tiny minority. they're a tiny minority. well, they they're holding a lot of don't go abroad won't they. they i don't think they do . well, i'm personally they do. well, i'm personally not convinced by that argument about people just like nurses just going off to well, a lot of them have. well, it depends what you mean by a lot because it's a massive upheaval to uproot from the uk with all your family, your mum, your dad, maybe you got children, brothers and sisters, to just go to australia for a career. that's a massive upheaval. >> yeah, but not for not the very wealthy. it's not because they can have houses all over they can have houses all over the place. they just pick up their domicile and go to some other part of the world and make their money there. >> well, i apply the same. i apply the same logic. >> let me finish. yeah.

>> let me finish. yeah. >> so i don't buy that. but that's that's your view. i don't think labour will bankrupt the country, they've stated he's pledged. i don't think keir starmer, although i'm not a fan of his party or him particularly, but to be objective, i don't think the guy's a liar. no. and so when he says we will not raise vat on vat registered my business, it can be quite crippling . can be quite crippling. sometimes 20% vat, and then he won't raise income tax. >> i believe the guy, but he's already raised vat on on private schools. yeah. >> no, he's introduced vat hasn't raised it. so vat is 20. yeah. at the moment. so if he raised it to say 25% raise something by bringing it in. >> so okay so you introduce it. well it is like a raised tax to them because they didn't do it. so don't argue danny. that's very clever. >> that's a clever way around it. >> we will not raise or nana. >> we will not raise or nana. >> we will not raise vat. we will just introduce new, new vat on things that weren't previously. that's old school the word. >> yeah, but it's the i don't agree with it. >> but that's on private schools. >> it's the wording of things on

working people. well who are they. >> what qualifies you as a worker? i think i'm a working man. i've got my own business. >> i'm a working woman. and the king works. everybody works. it'5 king works. everybody works. it's a ridiculous concept. working man. >> we all know what that means. a working man or a working woman. >> if you have a few holidays. i think if you paid tax and you have a. what was i. >> just to get back to your question, i don't think i think the guy's got integrity. i think he flip flops, but i don't think he's a liar. and if he says we will not raise this and then you're going to you've got to ask him, okay, well, if you're not going to raise any sort of income tax or vat, but you need to spend loads of dough on that, how are you going to generate the dough for that project? well, he said, and then he's going to have to come up with an alternative. >> well, he said he's going to do it by taxing the his two great things aren't. they're taxing the non—doms was one that's that's my. and then there's something else he says he's going to do. but it isn't going to provide enough money to all the all the money he says he wants to spend. well, i don't think he's a liar either. i don't think we're not. >> we're not discussing whether they're liars. they might come up with stuff that they then have to backtrack on, which he's very, very often doing. so i don't know whether, but there might be a lot of lies future

where he has to introduce. but because listen, if he did it and then he then changed his mind, then he then changed his mind, then is that a lie or is it. no. hang on. wait sorry. i'm saying, is it a lie or is it a flip flop? >> no, because the goalposts may have changed. well, exactly. >> so therefore. >> so therefore. >> so therefore. >> so he said because of this. >> so he said because of this. >> well, therefore, i don't think you can call that a lie or or either of them of what can you call it if somebody said they're not going to do something and they end up doing it, they're being very careful not to answer certain questions that, yes, they've said they will not raise income tax, etcetera, etcetera, but they avoid a lot of other questions which would have open ended commitments. >> and they just have very carefully not answered those. >> well he said that, well, now, rishi sunak says that he warned that labour could cause irreversible damage because, referring to sir keir starmer's plans to overhaul planning laws, he said he's going to also lower the voting age from 18 to 16. well that's a clever ploy to scrap the conservatives flagship rwanda scheme. >> so all those bankrupt the country, though, is it? these are just they don't they don't make much money. >> i mean rwanda's what is it, 500 million. that's nothing compared to the 8 million a day that you're paying for people to be housed. and whatever in what

i think centres he is going to do is he's going to cave in to all the big public sector unions, and we will find mammoth pay unions, and we will find mammoth pay deals going on to whether it's the doctors or railway workers. would you think he will? >> yeah, but i don't think there's that incentive for him. he's going to have we're hypothesising now. but the general acceptance is that he's going to have a massive majority. if you've got such a massive majority, you don't need to be in the pockets of the unions because he's got the massive majority. >> well, you sort of need to he needs to manage. no, no, i don't think that's true though , think that's true though, because you saw what happened with the conservatives. they had an 80 seat majority and they literally did not need an opposition. and remember, the labour party are full of different factions within the party. so as you said, you've got the unions, then you've got the sort of sort of london sort of elites of that sort of sector who have, you know, are totally unrelatable. and then you have the real working class centrists in there who actually aren't with unions, but are. so they'll be arguing amongst themselves , be arguing amongst themselves, just like the tories were. >> nana you mentioned about working class labour centrists, i've driven 96 miles down from the midlands. never i do, and i'll tell you why. >> you're a toolmaker, because you mentioned about the company. >> i think you mentioned about

the london elite. and i'm just reminded this fabulous audience that this is a great station when people travel for 3 or 4 hours round trip to come here like myself, i speak to a lot of working class people in the automotive industry, and they are moving from to labour reform. so when we say the whole point of the labour party, it was created, look at the name laboun was created, look at the name labour. and now there are so many people deserting that party and you're seeing it in the polls as well. well, with labour coming down, but you could listen. >> but when you're up at the top, the only way is slightly a little bit down because the literally couldn't go any further . otherwise it would have further. otherwise it would have been a 50% majority. so to be fair to them , they've held that fair to them, they've held that for so long, haven't they? they've held that position for a long time. >> i mean, the rishi sunak's line is don't vote reform because you'll let starmer in. reform has, i think, made a massive dent in labour as well. they've made a massive dent in labour and since farage came forward, i mean, they've just gone like that in the polls and they're taking votes from everybody. >> what about the liberal democrats? they're doing quite well doing extremely well. and the liberal democrats are mopping up where the tories are falling away. so the liberal

democrats , well, i'm not a fan democrats, well, i'm not a fan of him or his party, but i'm really impressed with his pr. >> you know, he's come across as a bit of an oaf sometimes like bons a bit of an oaf sometimes like boris johnson did, you know, with his canoeing and his water sport , but as some sort of pr, sport, but as some sort of pr, it's a breath of fresh air. if you're a lib dem voter. >> well, it gets him in the news. but i can't remember anything about ed davey's pronouncements during this campaign. well, all i can remember is his antics. >> no, but i can. >> but tumbling down the slides . >> but tumbling down the slides. >> but tumbling down the slides. >> no, but that's water. >> no, but that's water. >> and that's not. >> and that's not. >> no, but do you know what he was talking about? water. and now cleaning up water, cleaning up the water. and actually a lot of the mainline parties are picking it up. and that is an issue that most of the british people, most people watching are concerned about. so absolutely relatable. well, yeah. so it'll be interesting what happens. but we're going to have all the coverage here on gb news on thursday. it's going to be amazing. you're with me i'm nana akua. this is gb news. we're live on tv online and on digital radio. coming up for the great british debate. i'm asking can tv debates sway your opinion? but next world view will cross live to paul duddridge, host of the politics people podcast, to find out what's going on around the world. stay

good afternoon. you're with me. i'm nana akua. this is gb news. we're live on tv, online and on digital radio. it's time now for world view . president joe world view. president joe biden's wife, jill, has been slammed by the democrat donors over failing to advise her husband from pulling out of the presidential race. i don't know why they're blaming her. why on earth did they put him up in the first place? despite a woeful performance in the debates against donald trump, the 81 year old still apparently intends to run for election dunng intends to run for election during a rally , president biden during a rally, president biden directly addressed limits of his old age. >> i don't work as easy as i used to. i don't speak as smoothly as i used to. i don't debate as well as i used to , but debate as well as i used to, but i know what i do know . i know i know what i do know. i know how to tell the truth . i know

how to tell the truth. i know right from wrong and i know how to do this job. i know how to get things done . and i know, get things done. and i know, like millions of americans know, when you get knocked down, you get back up . get back up. >> i don't think he knows what he's doing travelling over to america. now let's have a chat with the politics people podcast host paul duddridge, paul duddridge, biden versus trump. how did that go down in the states? well i want some credit for calling this. >> i've been calling this for ages, and last week i said that this was a setup to actually manoeuvre biden out a biden by his own party. >> and so it's look, it's gone down exactly the way it's gone down exactly the way it's gone down in britain. but even more hilariously, what's happened is what's happened is, is the media have completely removed support. you think of that? you think of that debate. >> okay. >> okay. >> there was little things that people haven't picked up on the

commentators, the hosts called, trump, president trump. >> okay, which they've completely verboten. >> now i call him president trump. they are now calling him president trump in that debate . president trump in that debate. and the are we still streaming? am i here? yeah. >> you're here. carry on. get on with it. keep going. yeah. >> and then sorry sorry sorry. >> and then sorry sorry sorry. >> right, and the way they angled the whole, the way they angled the whole, the way they angled the whole of the debate was like the worst possible angle for, joe biden. >> and they didn't keep calling trump a felon. >> okay. and so the whole thing is now just a display of the power of the american media. >> they've decided to withdraw support from biden . basically, support from biden. basically, this is a collusion between the democrat party and the us media. he's out. he is definitely, definitely out. how it's done now is going to be the interesting thing. >> it was fascinating, isn't it? what about the supreme court ruling then, that could throw out hundreds of the january the 6th cases? >> yeah, there was a there was one of the january 6th cases.

they got a lot of people on obstruction, obstruction of a process, a political process. >> and it was challenged. >> and it was challenged. >> and it was challenged. >> and this week, scotus, the supreme court agreed with the, the person charged. and that means that that's the one charge they got hundreds of january the 6th protesters on was this idea that they were obstructing. and it's gone. so they're going to be this, you know, america's collective nightmare is going to be over soon. what's interesting is who's going to be the candidate at this point. i'm saying i'm i'm willing biden to be the candidate. i'm just like praying. now, this is like the dog that caught the car. who do you think they really wish ? you think they really wish? >> who do you think it's? >> who do you think it's? >> i think it's gavin newsom is the most likely gavin newsom with pete buttigieg as his vice president is the most likely. but watch out for gretchen whitmer. she's the governor of michigan, and she was there on the night. she has been manoeuvring in washington for weeks now. and so gretchen whitmer is the name to look out for in the uk. >> she's you've got 205. i want

to hear about trump's sentencing. these hearings on on july the 11th, it might be televised. is are they likely to find him guilty of anything? >> he's already been found guilty. it's the sentencing now. >> the sentencing. it's going to be. >> yeah, it's going to be non—custodial, i believe. but they will probably ankle tag him, that's that's exactly how they'll do it i think just to again humiliate and defenestrate him. that's, that's what the intention will be. but it won't be custodial. i don't believe not for a first offence. >> thank you. so much. host the politics people podcast. paul duddridge, this is gb news. coming up, the great british debate. i'm asking have the tv debates swayed your vote? first, let's get an update with your . weather. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on . solar sponsors of weather on. gb. news >> hello, good afternoon and welcome to your gb news weather update brought to you by the met office. we're starting to see some sunshine break through that cloud this afternoon. there are a few showers bubbling up in the

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coming up to 5:00. this is gb news. we are britain's election channel. we're live on tv, onune channel. we're live on tv, online and on digital radio. for the next hour, me and my panel will be taking you on some of the big topics hitting the headunes the big topics hitting the headlines right now. this show is all about opinion. it's mine, it's theirs, and of course it's yours. but coming up, my outside guest is an icon in the world of law. having defended those accused of murder, manslaughter, drug trafficking and is now also a best selling author. but who is he then? for the great british debate, this hour, i'm asking, have the tv debates swayed your vote? they remain a staple of election campaigns , staple of election campaigns, both at home and abroad. but there's more. and more. get their news online and on social media. do tv debates still have the impact they once had? all of that to come. but first, let's get your latest news with sam francis.

>> nana, thank you very much. and good evening to you. it is exactly 5:00 on the top story tonight from the newsroom. the leader of reform uk has told a gathering of supporters that he would axe the tv licence fee, which funds the bbc. that comes after he was questioned during an appearance on the bbc's question time programme about accusations that some of the party's activists are racist. taking aim, though, at opposition leaders, nigel farage said he wants to be an alternative to slippery sunak and described sir keir starmer as having the charisma of a damp rag at the event in birmingham today, mr farage claimed undercover footage of a campaigner making a racial slur against rishi sunak was part of against rishi sunak was part of a smear campaign , which channel a smear campaign, which channel 4 have denied. >> this guy is a set up. >> this guy is a set up. >> he was acting from the minute he walked into that office. he came up with a stream of invective, not seen since alf garnett was on the television in the early 19705, and some of it

was i mean, you know, turning mosques in the wetherspoons. it wasn't even serious. it was nonsense. >> so i really feel that channel 4 or the production company need to be called before an inquiry. >> let's find out the truth about what happened . about what happened. >> the prime minister insists that an election victory for the conservatives is still possible , conservatives is still possible, despite polls predicting a heavy defeat in an interview for the sunday telegraph, rishi sunak warned that labour's tax plans would bankrupt people in every generation. however, labour says its first steps in power would be restoring economic stability and cutting nhs waiting lists. the party continues to lead the tories in the polls by around 20 points ahead of thursday's election. pat mcfadden, labour's national campaign coordinator, told us earlier that labour has been clear on tax. >> there is nothing in our plans that requires. >> why can't you rule it out now ? >> ?- >> tax? >> tax? >> okay, how about this? will you increase council tax or re band council tax. >> well there's already under

the tory plans. an assumption that council tax will go up under their plans. >> okay. so will it go up under a labour government. >> nothing in our plans that requires council tax to go up. >> will you tax people's homes? >> will you tax people's homes? >> there is nothing in our plans that requires us. >> can you rule out taxing people more to drive a car, or to put petrol and diesel into a car? can you rule that out? there is nothing in our plans that requires us to do that. >> now you could go nothing in our plans and ruling things out are two different things. >> pat mcfadden there speaking to camilla tominey this morning. well, in france there has been an unusually strong turnout in the first round of parliamentary elections there, as the far right is seeking a historic win. that turnout has been calculated at just under 70, the highest in almost 40 years. president macron called the snap vote after the far right did well in eu elections. a few weeks ago. his supporters, though, fear the move could backfire and give the national rally a chance to take power. if that happens, macron would still remain as president

until his term ends in 2027, but he could be forced into an awkward power sharing arrangement with eurosceptic jordan bardella, who's just 28. installed as prime minister in the us . president biden's the us. president biden's approval rating remains unchanged following a widely criticised debate performance, a poll by morning consult found. the president retains a one point advantage over donald trump, which is the same margin recorded the day after trump was convicted of criminal charges. however 60% of those surveyed said the president should be replaced before november's election, though no alternative candidates performed better in the poll . spanish police have the poll. spanish police have called off the search for missing teenager jay slater in tenerife today. the 19 year old, from lancashire vanished whilst walking to his accommodation on june the 17th, according to reports. a guardia civil spokesperson said the search operation has now finished, although the case remains open.

it comes just two days after the force appealed for expert volunteers to help explore rugged terrain on the island. here, a woman has been charged with misconduct in public office. that's after a video allegedly showed a prison officer having sex with an inmate, 30 year old linda de souza abreu, from fulham, was arrested by the metropolitan police on the 28th of june. that's after a video filmed inside wandsworth prison was posted on social media. she is set to appear in custody at uxbndge set to appear in custody at uxbridge magistrates court on monday . and finally, before we monday. and finally, before we hand back to nana some sports news for you and i'm sure you're well aware england are just kicking off against slovakia in gelsenkirchen as the squad aim to book their place in the euro 2024 quarter finals. if you're watching on tv, you can see here the live pictures from the wembley fanzone in london, where the atmosphere has been building throughout the afternoon ahead of tonight's last 16 match. we

understand that kobbie mainoo starts in place of conor gallagher. that's the only change to gareth southgate's starting 11 and with a place against switzerland at stake, england captain harry kane told the pre—match press conference earlier that he's confident the players are going into the knockout stage in top form , and knockout stage in top form, and we'll keep across the scores for you throughout the evening here on gb news those are the latest headunes on gb news those are the latest headlines for now. i'm sam francis , more in half an hour francis, more in half an hour for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone , sign direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code, or go to gbnews.com >> forward slash alerts . >> forward slash alerts. >> forward slash alerts. >> this is gb news good afternoon. it'sjust >> this is gb news good afternoon. it's just coming up to 36 minutes. i'm just making it up now. six minutes after 5:00 i'm nana akua. we're live on tv, online and on digital radio. and in the next hour, me and my panel will be taking on some of the big topics hitting

the headlines. right now, this show is all about opinion. it's mine, it's theirs. and of course it is yours. we'll be debating, discussing and at times we will disagree. but no one will be cancelled. so joining me today is author and broadcaster christine hamilton and also broadcast on journalist danny kelly. right. still to come every sunday at five, i'm joined by a celebrity, a former mp of someone who has had an extremely interesting career. take a look at life after the jobs. we talk highs, lows and lessons learned and what comes next on the outside. today i'm joined by a leading lawyer who has used his expertise to write thriller novels. he's also a keen sportsman, having won a number of national champion titles and he's an international boxer. but who is he? that is the question , who is he? that is the question, then, for the great british debate this out. i'm asking have the tv debates swayed your vote? whilst they do remain a key part of the election campaigns, both at home and abroad, more and more people get their information from social media and online news these days. so do they still have as much impact as they used to? so stay

tuned for that. that is on the way as ever, send me your thoughts, post your comments gbnews.com forward slash. you'll . see. gbnews.com forward slash. you'll .see.so gbnews.com forward slash. you'll . see. so just after five every sunday i'm joined by a celebrity, a former mp, or someone who's had an extremely interesting career to take a look at. life after the job. we talk highs, lows and lessons learned and what comes next on the outside. and this week my guest is a leading icon in the world of law. his work encompasses supposed to put his picture up just yet. they put his picture up. it's a surprise. on no. look, this has got to go. oh no. look, this has got to go. you've got he's working companies, all aspects. it's supposed to be a blurred faces was i guess he's a criminal defence barrister having defended those accused of murder, manslaughter , drug murder, manslaughter, drug taking as well as kidnap and robbery. not only is he a talented barrister, he's also a best selling thriller author and writer under a pseudonym. his latest work, the shadow network, has just been released on paperback. and not only is he a

talented barrister author, he's also a sports person, winning a number of national championships. crikey! who on earth do you think he is? well he's seen his face. criminal barrister tony wyatt. it was all supposed to be a mystery. >> i left my glasses outside, so it was still a mystery to me. >> okay, i could see the picture, but i didn't know it was me. >> oh, you didn't realise it was blurred. tony, thank you very much for coming in. thanks for having me. right. so talk to me. what have you been up to since we last spoke? because we talked about your career and you do a lot of boxing and stuff like that. >> since we last spoke, i've been working on the paperback version of this. oh, i've knocked it over the shadow, the shadow network, which was my fifth book. >> i've been working on the sixth book. >> i'm also working on another project. >> i can't tell you about, but hopefully i'll be able to come back and tell you about in a in a little while. >> i have another writing project, which is a project , project, which is a project, again under the name tony kent. >> and yeah, so working on those, i've been carrying on with my work as a barrister. >> trialling here, there and everywhere, although not quite as often as, as normal because trials keep collapsing.

>> why is that? is that because of the backlogs? >> it's because. >> it's because. >> because of the backlog. because of the state of the criminal justice system. >> the fact that it's all falling apart around our ears . falling apart around our ears. >> and, you know, i had a trial that was supposed to start a week ago. it should have been a three week trial, quite a large drugs case. it was an arrest in 2020. they were being tried in 2024. >> at the last minute, the crown produced some more, they say evidence. >> we objected to its admissibility on the basis that we've had four years. >> why are you giving us this now? >> we can't be ready with this. >> we can't be ready with this. >> judge said. >> judge said. >> well, no, no, it's in the interest of justice that you should, that they should be able to have this evidence. >> so this trial will go off and you've got time to deal with it. they'll they'll be they'll now part of me be tried in march 2026, by which time my client will have had his third child in the period he's married, his life time. >> it's also deducted from any sentencing or no, it's not. so that time they've been waiting

all goes. he's starts again. >> if he was in custody, it would okay. but if he's in custody it couldn't last that long. >> they have rules upon custody time limits. but because he's on bail, even though it's a very serious offence because he's on bail , six serious offence because he's on bail, six years down the line, apparently. that's fine . apparently. that's fine. >> wow. so. >> wow. so. >> yeah. so that's the. >> yeah. so that's the. >> that's what i've been up to more writing and pulling my hair out. >> i want to get out of our courts. >> i want to get your view on a few things. then seeing as your barrister now keir starmer one of his plans rishi sunak has come up with is a rwanda plan. everyone sort of pooh poohing that. and keir starmer's come out with his border command is you write these sort of kind of novels, i suppose, and you talk about different networks . is about different networks. is this a realistic proposition, and is it something that may well, stop traffickers from trafficking people across the channel? >> well, the border command network, the border command is essentially just another police force, isn't it, to just be deaung force, isn't it, to just be dealing with immigration? >> i fail to see how it's new. i'm not entirely sure how it's new. we have that already. we have a border force, and this is

this is just another name for a border force. they may throw more people at it. >> and if they do that, well, then that's great. >> throw more people at it is at least something the problem we've got with boats and it is a problem, we had a conversation earlier about about politics and the fact that everything is deemed to be either right wing or left wing and we live in a world where if you say there is a problem with this level of illegal immigration, you're immediately branded, right wing. i'm not right wing, i'm nothing of the sort. but i can recognise a problem when i see it. that's a problem when i see it. that's a problem. that's too many people coming here illegally , people coming here illegally, undocumented, lost into a system that's not a good thing. that can't possibly be a good thing. anyone who disagrees with that, unfortunately, i would say, is just perpetuating a version of events based on which side of the spectrum they they claim to be. it's a bad thing. so anything that tackles it is has got to be a bonus. and if keir starmer is going to throw a lot more people at it, then yeah, that's a good thing. but it's hardly an innovation, is it? it's hardly an innovation. it's

just it's just more people, more of the same, more paperwork. >> and it depends on the back end, whether the back end of that, that process is actually up to date as well and up to speed. but that's the huge problem. the crown prosecution service and that's the huge problem. >> the big problem is one of the reasons that we have this mass boom in, in undocumented immigration is because going back to what i was saying about the criminal courts being decimated in terms of being savagely cut, that's happened to immigration courts as well. no one ever talks about it. but immigration courts in this country have been absolutely crucified. they've been savagely cut. and so where you might have deau cut. and so where you might have dealt and i'm going to pluck numbers from the air just just for ease, where you may have deau for ease, where you may have dealt with 100 cases in a week before, you're now dealing with ten because you don't have the judges, you don't have the barristers, you don't have the solicitors. same. i mean, it's if you decimate the system by which these applications are processed, well, then you're going to create a circumstance in which the applications build up and build up and build up. >> that's why we have a backlog. >> that's why we have a backlog. >> exactly. at the moment, the cps estimates that we have about 75,000 cases in the crown court.

the government would say 70. the cps would say about 75. i'd say they'd know better given they're prosecuting them all. they would say about 75,000in the crown court. the backlog . that's up court. the backlog. that's up from 39,000 in 2020. now that's just the crown court. if the same thing is happening in the immigration courts, how are we ever recovering from that? whereas if the system isn't in place, then it cannot be processed. we can talk about rwanda, we can talk about all of these different things to ask you about rwanda, some people argue that rishi sunak called the election early because rwanda would never have worked. yes you have a legal background. could it have worked? i don't think so. why not? >> because rwanda doesn't have the systems in place either. the rwandans can't deal with more than 300 applicants a year. >> they don't have a system in place as a deterrent itself. >> so if people were sent to rwanda, is would the legal system have allowed that to happen? because as we see with everything, there's all this, there's all these legal eagles that suddenly start defending people and then we just don't get anywhere. >> ultimately we have we have

supremacy of parliament. we have the human rights act. we have all the things we have under the human rights act. you are no one ever talks about this. and i always find it very confusing . always find it very confusing. there's an awful lot of talk about we should leave the european convention of human rights. yeah, well, the human rights. yeah, well, the human rights act does have a thing called a declaration of incompatibility. and what you can do as a government, because we have supremacy of parliament, the government can make a law. and when they make that law, they can say , effectively, this they can say, effectively, this is going to be a colloquial way of saying it, but they can effectively say, we know this isn't compatible, but we're doing it anyway. once they do that, our courts are our courts no longer have to apply the echr charter, that one particular law that's never been done because it's almost like a guilty plea. if they then take you to the court itself, if they take you to the european court, it's like saying, well, i've already committed. >> if it goes to the european court, then then then then, then it can be thrown out. >> it could, but that's years down the line. that would take years to get. >> but then that person remains here until you've gone through that process. >> not necessarily. no because they would need to get leave to

go. and until they've got leave to go, the decision of our courts is final. the reason it won't work, the reason it won't work is very simple. rwanda doesn't have the capacity to take that many 300 from tens , take that many 300 from tens, hundreds of thousands, hundreds of thousands. it's just not. >> but the idea was a deterrent effect. it appeared to be working. we did interview people who were, clearly illegal migrants who were camping somewhere in london. and they said that they were frightened of the rwanda thing, but they were in london. >> if they if they'd said that in calais, i'd have said, well, okay, they're still in calais, but they were in london. >> but the word on the street is that it has actually made a deterrent effect. the idea is that you want to actually stop people, so you don't need the capacity. >> but in the last month, we've had far more people coming over the channel than we had in this time last year. >> well, that's probably because, well, i don't know. but it could be that they know that it's not going to happen, because they probably all know that rishi sunak is unlikely to win. and therefore rwanda is on the rocks that i just don't believe that. >> i don't believe that people coming over here are that akin or that that up on on our political situation. >> no, i think you i think you underestimate maybe i do i think

you maybe automate the what the smugglers and people who are involved in that. >> the smugglers i'm sure the smugglers. >> exactly. >> exactly. >> but why would a smuggler inform somebody from syria that that was what was going on? >> they're not going to inform when that's going to then be a deterrent to the person from syria. >> yeah, but the smugglers will know the smugglers aren't the ones getting sent to war. >> we're using tiktok now. >> we're using tiktok now. >> but but they're not the ones getting sent to iran. or are they the ones getting sent to rwanda? are the immigrant or the asylum seekers? who's going to tell them? well, because if i were a smuggler, i wouldn't i wouldn't say to them, i want your money. but by the way, when your money. but by the way, when you get there, guess what might happen? >>i happen? >> i think you'd be surprised. they do. actually, they do actually check out all the stuff before they go. but anyway, so, tony, come back to you and your book, the next book you're doing, what do we need to look out for? what's it about the next one? can we get it? >> the next book will be the next book's been slightly delayed by the other book that i'm not allowed to talk about, which i really wish i could. yeah, because it's really exciting and i will hopefully be able to come back and tell you all about it shortly. but but the next book has been slightly delayed by by that because it will have to come back out after that. but the next book is

another my, my two lead characters and then this one. this is my first book, killer in ten, that introduced all the characters . but the shadow characters. but the shadow network is the shadow network is your book. it's my. it's my big one. it's the. it's the one that's doing well at the moment, it's the one the daily mail have called it the british jack reacher , which is, which is reacher, which is, which is a great thing for me. that's a real compliment, because that's a real compliment. and david baldacci is my favourite writer, and i've been called now the british baldacci by again by the daily mail. so it's the times that said the reacher. but this is a book that is, it's a thriller. it's almost like james bond for the 21st century. love it. it is all this particular bookis it. it is all this particular book is all based around russian intelligence, russian espionage, and whether or not they've played any part in the weakening of the west and why they would do that. >> well, listen, tony wyatt, a pleasure to talk to you. thank you so much. the shadow network, thatis you so much. the shadow network, that is the latest book you can get hold of that in all your major bookstores. he's a barrister. he's a sports person. he's everything incredible, right? well, still to come, it's time for the great british debate this hour. and i'm asking, have the tv debates swayed your vote? do not go anywhere. this is

gb news. hello. good afternoon. it's just gone.22 hello. good afternoon. it's just gone. 22 minutes after 5:00. this is a gb news we are britain's election channel. don't forget as well. check out our coverage on thursday and throughout friday. i'll be out and about. if you're somewhere in yorkshire. in yorkshire, you could probably meet me there. but listen, we will bring you all of the coverage. you must, stay tuned to us because it's very exciting. but it's time now for the great british debate this hour. and i'm asking, have the tv debates swayed your vote now? they remain a staple of election campaigns, both here and, of course, in other countries with many political leaders relishing the chance to face off against the other opponents whilst also putting across their own version of events. so what do you think? are they seemingly still impactful? joe biden's weak performance on thursday's presidential debate has led to

panic among many democrat donors. although i don't know what took them so long, with some even considering withdrawing money in an attempt to force the 81 year old to step aside, see if jill will help. and new polling suggests that labour's lead over the conservatives has fallen to its lowest level in more than two years after sir keir starmer's subpar performance in his final head to head debate. although i don't know whether that will make any difference at all. rishi sunak was on fighting form earlier this week. however, as more and more people , especially more and more people, especially the younger generations, get their news online of our social media, some actually argue that the tv debates have become irrelevant. so for the great british debate this year, i'm asking have the tv debates swayed your vote? joining me to discuss political commentator lee harris. he's still here. couldn't get rid of him. leader of ukip neil hamilton and also broadcaster and lawyer andrew eborn. in fact, all of them can't get rid of any of them. right. i'm going to start. right. i'm going to start. right. well, andrew eborn, what do you think? i'll tell you what i think. >> i was surprised because i researched this extensively. >> oh, did you to see what the effect might be on tv debates.

we've just had the thing about biden and his extraordinary performance. and in the news just a few minutes ago, they said it made no difference at all. there's some great research out of the states where they basically analysed 56 tv debates over 31 basically analysed 56 tv debates over 3! elections all the way globally, and they worked out basically 94,000 people were the response and they worked it out, made no difference at all. and i was shocked by that because you would think that this is what's going to believe that. >> in fact, it's interesting. i know somebody who has said that they were going to vote for one of the people there and have simply changed their mind, having seen the performance in one of the debates, lee harris yeah, i love the debates i've got about a big fan of the debates. >> i don't think it's made a blind bit of difference in this election in the uk at all. i think people have made their minds up a long time ago about who they're going to. i think there's a large portion of people who are undecided now, don't you think? >> well, there may be. i mean, it made no difference to my vote because i've already cast it, voted. and that's one of the problems, of course, with modern election campaigning, is that the postal votes, if they're delivered early enough, of

course, which is a problem in this campaign, means that half the election campaign, is ahead of you when you've cast your vote. yes. so it makes an election campaign in the traditional sense of the term, rather subpar. i mean, i don't know whether anybody is really convinced one way or another by what they see on the television. i mean , i, after 60 years in i mean, i, after 60 years in politics, come with a complete range of fully worked out prejudices, which i'm never going to change. so, so , so i'm going to change. so, so, so i'm not really too bothered by what i see in the rather artificial circumstances of television. >> i think you underestimate the power of those debates. remember what happened many years ago? who was it the debate there that destroyed their chances? who was that? i can't remember now. there's been so many. everybody was everywhere. but there have been debates which have literally destroyed people. >> and i think you would assume that. >> i think you're wrong. >> i think you're wrong. >> well, i'm never wrong. it's my job to be right. >> you are. >> you are. >> i'm right. well, you're always right. that is . what is always right. that is. what is interesting, though, is that it's not just television now.

and as you're right, people consume their content in a different way. and i got the stats in for the, the for the biden trump, debate. it was 51.27 million. >> i'm thinking about, oh, you're thinking about nick clegg. clegg performance. >> yes. on clegg. clegg performance. >> yes. oh that's right. >> yes. oh that's right. >> it wasn't good. >> it wasn't good. >> changed things for him. yeah that made a difference. >> you would think so. but it's part of the mix. it's the way that people consume content because the new frontline is online. and if you see what i did there. and so the whole thing about tick tock is appealing to a certain demographic and so on and so forth. what you need to do, people don't get their news anymore from newspapers. they get it all online and social media. they tend to be in these echo chambers where you're reading the papers, that you confirm your own views , and this confirm your own views, and this is what the research said. so i was equally surprised what the research said is that people didn't change their views as a result of it. now, whether that's as a result of pollsters getting it wrong. but it was quite an extensive survey over several different countries . the several different countries. the interesting thing is the decline interesting thing is the decline in television. i said the number of viewers for the biden trump debate was 51.27 million. that was 30, 30% down on the last time, which was 73 million. and

even that was down on the biggest one, which was obviously clinton against trump, which was 84 million. so there's a massive decline in television where people consume things differently on television. >> but i don't i object i object to your view. no, i think you're wrong. i think you're really wrong. i think you're really wrong. i think tv debates really do matter, especially for the undecided voters, which, you know, you're watching and looking for the candidates and seeing what they're saying and how they behave. and you're judging whether they'll be good in a in a sort of leadership role. and i'll just come to you, lee. yeah you know, for example, keir starmer, his polling has gone down since that debate. and you could argue that this equates to the performance dunng equates to the performance during the week. >> i completely agree with you . >> i completely agree with you. and i think that that has had an impact. keir starmer came apart in that interview and fair enough. rishi sunak did really well at pulling keir starmer apart. i think they do make a big difference to the debates, and i think it's just this particular election, this particular election, this particular election, this particular election, i think, is people are so angry with the

conservatives, as we can see with the polling. i'm not sure it would make a big difference, but i what i agree with you on is if something were to happen, something big were to happen. maybe a bit like seeing keir starmer getting torn apart by rishi sunak or making a big mistake. it could have an impact on the result. so i think you are absolutely right. the debates are i love them, i've got some i really love because i'm a political boffin nerd. >> we should get we all like them. we should get jane, who phonedin them. we should get jane, who phoned in on the bbc that day to speak to them all, to question them all. >> yes, that that makes difference. >> jane will make a difference. >> jane will make a difference. >> yeah, well, i think that is a much better format. much better form at. >> the much better format. >> the radio is to have a really testing. interviewer. yes. who probes very deeply and doesn't take a bs answer from the candidate. whereas the kind of formulaic process that we've got formulaic process that we've got for these debates makes it very difficult to score points, i think as well as with life in general, you know, you you can screw things up and that might harm your chances. it's very

difficult to do something positive, which is going to enhance. >> but it's all part of the mix, isn't it? >> and it's very interesting program on a different channel about al, which is my pet subject, and how that influenced people. they did a little experiment. they put two groups and they fed them these fake news and other bits and pieces with various campaigns and deep fakes and people saying different things, and that had a big influence . they then did a big influence. they then did a fake voting. so what happens is all this information is going in. so when you're looking for the hearts and souls and the minds of the people, you need to work across all those different platforms and that's how they control it. >> fake news is everywhere. of course, that's at all times. yes. so finding out what is the truth is the great challenge of the modern age. >> but it was it was the word of the year in 2017 was fake news. >> and last year, 2023 was i. you combine those and it's a dangerous formula and it connects well with social. >> that's what i was going to say. connects well with social media as you were saying. you know these i do it myself. these debates get clipped. they get put onto social media and they can have a really big impact. and like i said, if something goes wrong, something big goes wrong that will have a, in my

view, a big impact on the election. >> well, it's the punch and judy show. >> where's your career behind you?ifs >> where's your career behind you? it's you work on that basis. >> yeah, well listen, thank you very much, guys. >> very interesting. your thoughts on that. what do you think at home? gbnews.com/yoursay have the tv debates swayed your vote in any way, shape or form? did you think that someone's performance was so good that you would change your vote to that person, or so bad that you decided to withdraw your support? thank you so much to lee harris. political commentator, former leader of ukip neil hamilton, also broadcaster and lawyer. andrew wyborn, right . well, i'll just wyborn, right. well, i'll just just play this little thing for you to just see what happened, because joe biden, obviously you saw what happened there. i'm going to show you a quick clip. this is him speaking at the rally in north carolina following his disastrous tv debate . debate. >> i don't walk as easy as i used to. i don't speak as smoothly as i used to. i don't debate as well as i used to, but i know what i do know. i know how to tell the truth. yes i know right from wrong . and i

know right from wrong. and i know right from wrong. and i know how to do this job. i know how to get things done . i know how to get things done. i know like millions of americans know, when you get knocked down, you get back up . get back up. >> if you can. right now . >> if you can. right now. >> if you can. right now. >> yes, exactly. >> yes, exactly. >> i don't think he was standing up. i think he was flat on the floor with his camera on the ceiling. no kidding. >> well, listen, you're with me. >> well, listen, you're with me. >> i'm nana akua. this is gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. coming up, we will continue with the great british debate this hour. i'm asking have the tv debates swayed your vote? you'll hear the thought of my panel, author and broadcaster christine hamilton, and also broadcaster and journalist danny kelly. but first, let's get your latest news with sam francis . news with sam francis. >> good evening to you. it's just after half past five. the top stories from the newsroom. well, in a blow to reform uk's campaign, a candidate has

defected to the conservatives, saying he's become increasingly disillusioned with the behaviour and conduct of his party. liam booth, isherwood says he's suspending his campaign and will instead now support conservative maggie throup to stop labour. he says that decision follows undercover footage of a reform campaigner making a racial slur against rishi sunak, prompting widespread criticism . leader widespread criticism. leader nigel farage, though, claims the campaigner was planted by channel 4 news as part of a smear campaign, a claim the broadcaster has denied . spanish broadcaster has denied. spanish police have called off the search for missing teenager jay slater in tenerife. the 19 year old, from lancashire, vanished whilst walking to his accommodation on june the 17th after attending a music festival. it comes just two days after the force appealed for expert volunteers to help explore rugged terrain on the island . in france, there's been island. in france, there's been an unusually strong turnout in the first round of parliamentary

elections there, the highest in almost 40 years. it's been calculated at just under 70. president macron shocked observers when he called the snap vote that could see the country's first far right government since the second world war. in the us, president biden's approval rating remains unchanged following a widely criticised debate performance. a poll by morning consult found the president retains a one point advantage over donald trump, which is the same margin recorded the day after trump was convicted of criminal charges. however, 60% of those surveyed said the president should be replaced before november's election, though no alternative candidates performed better in the poll . and in sport , england the poll. and in sport, england are now a goal down against slovakia in gelsenkirchen as the squad are hoping to book their place in euro 2024 quarter finals. if you're watching on tv, you can see here the fan zone in wembley, where the atmosphere has now visibly dampened as england are behind

for the first time in the tournament. kobbie mainoo started in place of conor gallagher in the only change to gareth southgate's starting 11. england, though, are now down to ten players due to injury. well, with a place against switzerland at stake. england captain harry kane had told the pre—match press conference he was confident the players are going into the knockout stage in top form. time will of course , tell form. time will of course, tell about 15 minutes left in this first half. those are the latest gb news headlines. for now i'm sam francis. more in the next half hour for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code , or go to gbnews.com. >> forward slash alerts . >> forward slash alerts. >> forward slash alerts. >> i think there was a collective sigh of air when you heard the scores. wahaca oh how

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vote? 38 minutes after 5:00. welcome. if you're just tuned in. well, maybe you've decided the football isn't your bag. seeing as they're losing. i'm nana akua. we are live on tv , online akua. we are live on tv, online and on digital radio. let's, time to return to the great british debate this hour. and i'm asking, have the tv debates swayed your vote now? they are still a key aspect of election campaigns, both at home and abroad , many political leaders abroad, many political leaders relishing the chance to face off against their opponents whilst putting across their own version

of events or vision for the countries, and they still seemingly have some sort of impact. joe biden, as you remember him, his dismal performance in thursday's presidential debate has led panic across many democrat donors, with some even considering withholding money in an attempt to force him to quit are new. polling also suggests that labour's lead over the conservatives is at its lowest level in more than two years, after sir keir starmer subpar performance in his final head to head debate with rishi sunak earlier in the week. so the great british debate i'm asking have the tv debates swayed your vote? well, let's see what my panel make of that. joining me, author and broadcaster kristen hamilton and also journalist and broadcaster danny kelly, danny kelly, you're a football guy. it'5 kelly, you're a football guy. it's not nana akua. we're talking about the tv debates. >> do you know, i watched nigel farage walk into the viper's nest? the bbc question time and the first 4 or 5 questions. they were attacking him for being racist. nothing about the policies . now, the bbc would

policies. now, the bbc would have known what the line up of the questions . first of all, the questions. first of all, fiona bruce by name said mark, you're the first question. and then she went to you, sir, with then she went to you, sir, with the hat or you, sir, with or madam with the dress. so they would have known the strategy would have known the strategy would have known the strategy would have known. okay, you're going to ask that question. what's the question going to be? they were ad hominem attacks and that's why nigel farage this is just an opinion. why are you racist? why do you attract racists, things like that. nothing. about what your policy for like for the bbc would argue that these are punters from the audience, although i think one of them, i don't know whether one of them worked for the bbc. >> yes, the bbc argued that these are punters who are just asking a simple question. just because you work for the bbc doesn't mean that you are not a punter, but it does. that's correct. the line of questioning i would have rather have heard about asking about policy instead of trying to attack personality, but then that these are tactical things, aren't they? these these debates are tactics . christina. tactics. christina. >> i mean, the question is, has it swayed your vote? no, because i voted by post a while ago and it wouldn't have swayed my vote anyway. but i think it does. if you look back at the history of it, the very first televised

debate was in 1960, in the states, and it was kennedy versus nixon and the fresh faced, handsome kennedy against nixon, who under the lights he was sweating. he had 5:00 shadow. he looked appalling. and a huge amount of the impact you make is visual, he looked appalling and he, by a million miles, lost that debate. so, i mean, i think they do have an impact, i mean, the first debate that we had in this country was, i think the last lot, last lot those three referred to it was, was when nick clegg, the insurgent and nick clegg, insurgent, always has an advantage. they can smash the advantage. they can smash the advantage or they can take the advantage. but nick clegg was hugely advantaged by that debate. it gave him a mega platform. there were nearly 10 million people, 1.3 million people watched that, and that was the first time more than corrie. and eastenders. >> and so you had gordon brown, nick clegg, david cameron, and they kept saying, i agree with this. >> i agree with nick. i agree, agree with that. and that really catapulted nick clegg into the coalition. so they do. they are important .

important. >> if you're a swing voter, if you're undecided, i think they're very important. like i'm not a swing, i'm not undecided. i know you're not a swinger. no i'm not i know , i know who you i'm not i know, i know who you don't know what we get up to when we leave the studio? >> well, i wasn't going to say it's not of any relevance. >> it's not of any relevance to me. but i do enjoy watching them. one thing i would say, since we're talking about nigel farage and the bbc question time, one thing, if you notice, when he walked on nigel, i think nigel is wrong in this sense that he thinks the audience is full of people who dislike him. i don't buy it. >> you just said that at the beginning. >> no, no, i said the first. no, i said the first 4 or 5 questioners didn't like him. i'm not speaking on behalf of the whole audience. but one thing, when he walked on, he got a massive round of applause. but the thing is, if you allow people to smear him as a racist and then all of a sudden you think, oh, i'm sitting to next some lunatic lefty here, i'm not going to start applauding nigel farage. that's why you very rarely see. >> do you think i. yes. >> do you think i. yes. >> although i should have applauded him. people were frightened to applaud him to show what they think. >> i think they are because they'd be worried about being labelled, which is that is

point. >> yes, well i disagree. i genuinely know you agree with me. yeah >> that's why you got me agreeing with sorry. no, i changed my mind. >> that's why if you go around like where i live in leamington spa and warwick, there are a load of like matt weston. he's a labour guy. oh, you've got to go through. i'm so sorry. you've got to read out the rest of them. maybe. but anyway, i'm sorry, but did you hear that? look, forget i said that. >> but anyway, we can't forget it. i'm going to have to. oh, i'm so sorry. >> can i read them out? >> can i read them out? >> no. >> no. >> i'm so sorry. >>— >> i'm so sorry. >> i'm so sorry. >> i have to read that. that's why you hang on. you very rarely see location again. you said it was leamington spa. >> that's why you very candidates for leamington spa. >> i'm so sorry. out. the producers . producers. >> that's why you very rarely see in people's windows . vote see in people's windows. vote conservative. because they're frightened because of people's perception. >> i don't know about that. i mean, well, that's the same as the i think perhaps they're more embarrassed by than frightened to say, but only because there's a terrible record. but then you might want to vote for them, because that could be that the show that you're talking about wasn't actually a debate. >> it was just farage in the audience. it's the head to head debate that i think. i mean, i

don't think starmer did at all well in this last one. and i think it showed his poll went down and he was shown up to be evasive, wooden , etc, etc. and i evasive, wooden, etc, etc. and i think sunak, by contrast, did extremely well. i think he surprised some of his own supporters. so i think when you've got the head to head and you've got the head to head and you've got the pair of them, which i think is why they, trump and biden won the idea that you had to protect biden . they muted had to protect biden. they muted the microphone so there was no interaction. well, there's no interplay. yeah. which i thought it was. you know, it was a but it was. you know, it was a but it didn't work in his favour though. do you know the first prime minister to refuse to take part in these debates, was was, theresa may in modern times, theresa may in modern times, theresa may in modern times, theresa may refused because she didn't think that she could shine. and she thought that in the cameron—clegg brown one, was it brown or brown? that's right. cameron hadn't done at all well, and she was worried. so she sent amber rudd , which i thought was amber rudd, which i thought was a bit. she hadn't got the nuts to do it . yeah. to do it. yeah. >> just showing how impactful these debates can be. it's probably cost biden his presidency because he's going to be booted out, isn't he?

>> well, he's got a week to save. >> i'm amazed that i think that's always been their plan. >> i am amazed that they even would pretend that this guy is fit for election . well, listen, fit for election. well, listen, i will read you the candidate list for leamington spa. just a moment. but first, the half time whistle is approaching as england trail behind one nil against slovakia, so we will talk about that. but i'll do the candidates for leamington, warwick and leamington. i have the candidates for you. is, laurie james steele for the uk independence party or ukip. nigel philip clarke for reform uk liberal democrats, louise lewis, william mcallister or adam adam lewis. william mcallister. adam for the liberal democrats , conservative and democrats, conservative and unionist party james uffindell and the labour party matt weston. and for the green party it's hema yellapragada right? right. well, next that's your cook. stay tuned. we've got loads more still to come. we'll be back with supplements sunday

and maybe we'll find our reporter who is watching the match as we speak

well, it's now time for supplement sunday. this is part of the show where i discuss some of the show where i discuss some of the show where i discuss some of the stories that caught their eye, so let's, joining me, my panellist danny kelly, and christine hamilton, christine hamilton, what have you got for us? >> well, i was astonished by this story. the uk citizenship test, which is what people who want to become british citizens have to take it, is failed by 58% of brits , 58. so that means 58% of brits, 58. so that means so just 42% of indigenous brits passed this test. in australia, it's 96% pass. in germany, it's 95, the usa it's 93, it's 42. and they are such basic, simple questions . what was the last

questions. what was the last battle between great britain and france? they give you the answers. trafalgar, waterloo, hastings , agincourt. and listen hastings, agincourt. and listen to this one. which two houses form the uk parliament? the house of lords, the house of members, the house of commons, the house of fraser and only 42% of brits can get the questions right. i mean, it's absolutely staggering. what sort of event is the grand national rugby, golf, horse racing or tennis? when is christmas day . and they when is christmas day. and they failed those questions. these are the questions which if you want to apply for uk citizenship, you must pass. you must pass. and only 42% of people like you and me indigenous brits pass it. wow. >> in other words, they even tested indigenous brits. >> no, they just set it to people to just see how many brits pass it. we are in trouble. lamentable lack of your knowledge of your own country. >> right, danny kelly, our electric cars responsible for britain's pothole problem . britain's pothole problem. >> i'm not a fan. i'm a critic of electric cars. we often here on, on this station, on other stations that because of the weight of electric cars, they're more damaging to the asphalt. well, i can tell you now that's

not it's a fallacy. they are not any more responsible, even though it. >> how do you know that? >> how do you know that? >> where does it say that? >> where does it say that? >> there's been a massive rac investigation. >> there aren't enough of them, are they, to make such an impact? >> well, no they're not, but i don't see how it can't be true that the more because the more you, the more you go on a road, the more damage it will cause, the more damage it will cause, the more damage it will cause, the more you use the road. so the more you use the road. so the heavier the vehicles are. even if you don't want to believe it, the more damage they are likely to cause. >> well, you don't want to believe. no no no no no no. >> the study says that they're not responsible. >> but is that because there aren't so many of them? there aren't so many of them? there are far more other vehicles? >> no, i think people have just look, i don't like him. i think people just jumped on it. no, i disagree, i think people are just jumped on it and said, and they produce potholes, those dumb electric cars. >> i think you're wrong about that. i think they probably do cause an issue. i don't know how the survey was carried out or what they carried out into it. it was i'm thinking that i don't believe it. >> the people responsible for the potholes are their councils. you don't do the repairs in time. they're the ones who are culpable. >> that's correct. all right,

all right. >> well , listen, that's what >> well, listen, that's what they're saying. he's a two bonng they're saying. he's a two boring supplements. >> something just because you disagree with my citizen test is rather good. >> well, i think we should all take it then. but right now, the candidates at the half time whistle is approaching as england trail one nil against slovakia. slovakia are really good.i slovakia. slovakia are really good. i don't know whether they're good team in the last 16 of the euros. i mean if they fail this, they're out. let's cross live to bristol now and speak to gb news, south—west of england reporterjeff moody speak to gb news, south—west of england reporter jeff moody , who england reporter jeff moody, who is out and about with england fans. jeff what can you tell me about what's going on? what is happening ? one nil. what kind of happening? one nil. what kind of a match has it been so far? >> i'm here at the bsb . >> i'm here at the bsb. >> i'm here at the bsb. >> i'm here at the bsb. >> i'm here at the bsb waterside bar at the moment where it's fair to say there was a really good atmosphere to start with, about an hour ago everyone was getting tanked up, having a lovely time, enjoying themselves. >> it's fair to say though, that the mood is a little bit muted now. luke, you've been watching the first half and you promised me you're not going to swear. >> i'm not going to swear. i'll do my best. i'll do my best. >> what do you make of that

embarrassing. >> it's disgusting . absolutely >> it's disgusting. absolutely disgusting. i mean . i it's like disgusting. i mean. i it's like we're playing against 12 men. like the ref was handing out yellow cards to slovakia. player. no, our players. sorry. the whole time slovakians fouled us left, right and centre. they neven us left, right and centre. they never. they never got yellow cards apart from just before half time. it is. something's got to change. something has to change. >> do you think something can change in the next half? >> yes. i mean if we go back to 2021 we went one nil down at wembley to denmark and we managed to pull it back. you can hear the reaction from the fans in the ground. we just pass the ball back. we never go forward and it got to a point where the ball got paid back towards the goalkeeper or back to pickford and the whole stadium booed. the players know we're frustrated , players know we're frustrated, they're frustrated. something has to change. if you could predict in a word what the score will be in the next half, what would it be? we'll do them. two one of course we're over england

in that job okay. it's going to be two one. >> we've got two goals to go. thank you very much luke. >> and of course whoever wins this will be playing switzerland on saturday. >> i'm nigel farage for prime minister. oh, nigel. >> oh there you go. thank you very much. >> that's jeff moody out there in bristol with a load of england fans. well, i've got to say , it's been fun. on today's say, it's been fun. on today's show, i've been asking how the election tv debates swayed your vote. according to our twitter poll, 11.4% of you said yes, 88.6% of you say no. they haven't at all. thank you. so much to my panel, christine hamilton, thank you very much to you and danny kelly. thank you very much. well, listen, stay tuned. thank you to you at home for your company as ever, neil oliver is next. i'll leave you with the weather. i'll see you next week. same time, same place i >> -- >> looks like things are heating up. >> boxt boilers sponsors of weather on gb news >> hello. good afternoon and welcome to your gb news weather update brought to you by the met office. we're starting to see some sunshine poke through that cloud this afternoon. now a few

showers bubbling up in the north. we're saying goodbye to that rain and drizzle clearing the southeast now, allowing a ridge of high pressure to build and notice the winds coming from and notice the winds coming from a north westerly direction, which means things are generally feeling a little bit cooler overall into this evening, though, there will be plenty of dry weather around once those showers ease into the evening. a mix of cloud and some clear spells. a bit of a change on its way in the west, though, as we start to see some outbreaks of rain move their way in. nothing particularly heavy but leading to quite a damp start for monday morning. under those clear spells . feeling a little bit spells. feeling a little bit cooler. but most towns and cities remaining in the double digits to start the new working week, then it is going to be fairly damp , particularly across fairly damp, particularly across western parts of scotland. a few heavier outbreaks just feeding into the west too, but across the east largely dry. fairly cloudy, though quite a damp start once again across northern ireland. north west and england once again in the far east. a few bright sunny spells to start the week, a damp start once again across northern ireland. a

few showers across devon and cornwall , but across central and cornwall, but across central and southeastern england. largely dry , even starting to see some dry, even starting to see some bright sunshine to start the week . on the whole, though, week. on the whole, though, monday is going to be quite an unsettled day. we'll see those outbreaks of rain continue to push their way eastwards a little bit heavy at times, mainly across the hills, but once that rain clears through, some bright sunshine will begin to develop and staying driest for longest across the south and southeast. and that's what we're going to see the best of the temperatures highs of around 21 celsius. so a notch down compared to the weekend into the evening. then we'll gradually say goodbye to that rain as it clears into the north sea. a few spots of rain and drizzle for parts of northern england and parts of northern england and parts of northern england and parts of wales. but on the whole it is going to be a largely dry night next week, fairly changeable with some rain and showers, but we do catch the sunshine. it should still be feeling pleasant and warm . feeling pleasant and warm. >> that warm feeling inside. from boxt boilers sponsors of weather on gb

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