gb. news >> good evening and welcome to vote 2024. the people decide with me. camilla tominey coming up on tonight's show, we're going to be speaking about the nottingham killer among violent prisoners being allowed to claim benefits. valdo calocane. i'm going to be getting the reaction from emma webber , mother of from emma webber, mother of barnaby, who was killed by valdo calocane . see what she thinks calocane. see what she thinks about that. quite ludicrous policy. i'm also going to be discussing the french elections , discussing the french elections, the rise of marine le pen and what it means for the uk, and breaking news from america. we're going to be discussing the fact that trump has been granted immunity by the supreme court over the allegations concerning the january 6th riots. i'll also be joined by former conservative minister robert

halfon and former labour mp bill rammell. do get in touch with me with your thoughts on tonight's topics. please visit gbnews.com/yoursay. but first, here's the news with polly middlehurst. >> camilla, thank you and good evening to you. well rishi sunak said today a victory for labour in this week's election would see britain's borders become the soft touch of europe. campaigning in oxfordshire today, the prime minister insisted flights to rwanda are an essential deterrent for illegal migrants coming to britain . and he warned other britain. and he warned other parties have failed to put forward credible alternatives. >> it is a deterrent. it's very simple. i don't think illegal migrants should get to stay in our country. they should be removed to a safe alternative. thatis removed to a safe alternative. that is the only way to stop people coming in the first place. that's what you'll get if i'm your prime minister. a vote for anyone else. just means that we are going to become the soft

touch of europe when it comes to illegal migration. we've had two debates head to head, and anyone who's watched them will have seen that. keir starmer just simply can't answer the question what would he do with illegal migrants that come to our country? he doesn't have a plan. ihave country? he doesn't have a plan. i have a plan. >> meanwhile, sir keir starmer says he'll have to make a tough choice to deal with a very difficult inheritance if he wins power . on thursday, the power. on thursday, the conservatives are warning against handing labour a supermajority, though, amid polls giving the party a 20 point lead. labour says a clear mandate is what britain needs to repair the economy and warns apathy could lead to another five years of conservative government and this has to be a summer of change. >> that's our one job this summer, a summer of change. and so whether you're a family that's been struggling with the cost of living crisis for months and years on end with bills beanng and years on end with bills bearing down on you, whether you're a business that's struggled because of the damage

that's been done to the economy or whether you've served your country in uniform or in your community, then this campaign, this positive labour campaign is for you and the fight for change is for you . is for you. >> well, sir ed davey, today urged voters to take the plunge and do something they've never done before by voting for the lib dems. have a look. three. >> two. one bungee. >> two. one bungee. >> well, there he is. if you're watching on television, you can see he's taking the plunge . see he's taking the plunge. taking part in a bungee jump today urging voters when they go today urging voters when they go to the polls on thursday to take a leap of faith. he thinks people who are disillusioned by the conservatives should consider voting lib dem , and consider voting lib dem, and englands jude bellingham is being investigated over a gesture he made during england's win over slovakia in the euros last night. the england footballer is facing a probe over a potential breach of what's called the basic rules of

decent conduct. it's understood to relate to bellingham if i may say, grabbing his crotch after scoring england's equaliser in added time of the match. harry kane, of course , going on to kane, of course, going on to score that other goal in extra time, securing england's win . time, securing england's win. those are the headlines for now . those are the headlines for now. i'm polly middlehurst. i'm back in an hour with more for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code, or go to gbnews.com forward slash alerts . slash alerts. >> thanks, polly. welcome back. before i get into a conversation about what's gone on on the campaign trail today with our political correspondent olivia utley, i'm going to be asking you the following question, which i think is a crucial one, because it's been an interesting campaign with lots of twists and turns, let's put it, that way. it's been quite dramatic at times, hasn't it, with the emergence or re—emergence of nigel farage and indeed ed davey

plunging off cranes and going down slip and slides and everything that's been going on with rishi sunak in what's been quite a perilous campaign for the tories. so my question to you this evening is, have you changed your mind during this election about who you might vote for? has anything made you change your mind? and if it has, what was it? let us know. get in touch. leave a message for me at gbnews.com/yoursay with your views this evening, and we'll revisit that just a little later. but as i say, joining me now is olivia utley. olivia, how much longer of this have we got to come? is it three days? i've lost count. >> it's three days. although i keep thinking that it's all going to be over of course. then we'll have a new government roll on election leadership. >> we won't. well, we could have a conservative leader. anything could happen. let's be honest. anything could happen. we'll both be very busy on election night, which is a great thing. but in the run up to that, what's been going on today? we just saw that clip of rishi sunak. we're both watching it. i mean, it is a desperate plea now from the prime minister. what's he going to come up with that if

you vote labour you're going to die in your sleep. like what left has he got to say as this sort of threat to his own electorate? you know, you've got to stick with us. he's saying it is beginning to feel quite desperate. >> and i really noticed the total difference in tone between the two leaders today. you've got keir starmer campaigning in rural buckinghamshire and oxfordshire, chipping norton, david cameron's old seat. oh my goodness, these former real, real tory heartlands and the only thing that keir starmer is mildly worried about, worried is probably even too strong a word for. it is complacency on polling day, he thinks that it is possible that with all this talk of a supermajority, which the conservatives are bigging up , you end up in a situation where labour voters in labour seats just don't bother to go out and vote labour. so he is his only message in these last few days. it's not about policy, it's not about what he's going to do as prime minister. it's just about if you are minded to vote labour, which by the looks of the polls, most people are, then please do go out on polling day. it is worth your time going to do that. on the other hand, rishi sunak is desperately trying to milk the very last

scraps that he can out of this campaign. today he was talking about immigration. he says that the conservatives plan for immigration is more comprehensive than labour's. and if a labour government came in, then you would see more small boats crossing the channel. that would be a more compelling argument if we hadn't had 4000 small boat arrivals across the channel. since rishi sunak called the general election just six weeks ago. so rishi sunak is desperately, desperately trying to come up with new ideas, new reasons for people to vote conservative. i think it's interesting, too, that he is talking about the supermajority a lot, and now people who are minded to vote conservative aren't doing so because they think that there's a chance that the conservatives might win the general election. they're doing so. or might do so because they don't want to have a sort of labour government with so much power that it's able to push anything through. and the conservatives are leaning into that. they're not even talking really about winning this election. no, they've given up on that. >> well, it's weird, but not losing by too much. to be fair,

the prime minister sort of vacillated between trying to kind of push back that suggestion that there's a labour supermajority that's an inevitability, which was initially floated by grant shapps. the defence secretary. and then it looked a bit too defeatist and yet, on the other hand, he's tweeting after the football on sunday night, you know, it's not over till it's over and trying to recreate the magic of jude bellingham's very last minute goal. and i was sort of thinking, well, is that positive thinking or just deluded? i suppose he's in an impossible situation, isn't he? >> impossible situation. what i've heard from conservative activists who've been campaigning is that the only line that really works on the doorstep is this line about a labour supermajority . it's about labour supermajority. it's about mitigating conservative losses, and it sounds as though cchq is quite keen to talk more about that. but obviously it doesn't look great for a prime minister just before an election, not even to be talking about winning, only to be talking about mitigating those losses. so sunak sort of going down the mitigating loss route, but also trying to he sort of has to he sort of almost is contractually obuged sort of almost is contractually

obliged to pretend that there is still a chance that the conservatives might win. >> tell me about this row that seems to have carried on today about who might be working later into the night. something's been said about finishing work at 6 pm. is that what keir starmer suggested he'd do? >> yes. keir starmer has said that he would, unless there are exceptional circumstances . he's exceptional circumstances. he's almost never liked work past 6 pm. because he'd like to spend p.m. because he'd like to spend time , if only just checking my time, if only just checking my watch now at 709, nice work if you can get it. is he being completely ridiculous? i mean, as prime minister, he's going to have to work day and night, isn't he? i mean, let's remember margaret thatcher running the country. and what was it, 3 or 4 hours sleep. winston churchill dictating notes from the bathtub. i mean, well , exactly. bathtub. i mean, well, exactly. >> i mean, there it's a very divisive comment because there are lots of people who say, well, the sort of prime minister who spends his evenings with his family switches off, manages to get some quality sleep, etc. might be making better decisions on behalf of the country. i think also it plays in quite a

lot to the kind of gen z attitude of, you know, keep your own space, keep your work, and personal life. work life balance wouldn't surprise me if gen z were quite impressed by this. i'm sure they will be then. >> unfortunately, what happens is gen z is they have to get a mortgage and they have kids and they realise how expensive they are. and suddenly all of that rhetoric around, oh, i'd quite like to work flexi time changes into how can i get a second job? but anyway, olivia, maybe i'm just talking from personal experience there. >> well, sunak is really, really pushing this line. >> he's got cchq has mocked up a day in keir starmer's diary where he sort of getting up at 10:00, having a long lunch, speaking to the unions in the afternoon and then clocking off at 6:00. >> and i've seen lots of conservative candidates tweeting about this. so the conservatives clearly think that this is a line which will play very badly with the country , although it's with the country, although it's hard to know whether to believe starmer. >> it's a bit like the whole i wouldn't get private health care even if a loved one was in great need.i even if a loved one was in great need. i mean, practically really. you're not going to be working beyond 6 pm. let's see how that works. olivia utley we're going to be working beyond

6 pm. most of this week. in fact, i'll be working through the night because i'm going to be hosting the election with stephen dixon on thursday. do tune in. we're going to be going to air as soon as the exit poll drops. so that's 955 onwards on thursday. coming up next, we're going to be discussing this extraordinary case of valdo calocane and this idea that this killer of three people can receive benefits in his secure hospital. would you believe that? it's actually quite a shocking story. we're going to be to that next. go go anywhere

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>> britain's election . channel. >> britain's election. channel. >> britain's election. channel. >> welcome back to vote 2024 with me camilla tominey. let's look at this extraordinary story about the nottingham killer , about the nottingham killer, valdo calocane, who is among violent prisoners allowed to claim benefits. according to a story by the telegraph, they put in a freedom of information request and the hospital that is holding valdo calocane who which also held ian brady, the moors murderer, said it was, quote, standard practice for criminals like calocane to get benefits because they had not been handed prison sentences and instead were treated as patients because of their mental disorder. just to explain that in financial terms. so unlike prisons, where benefit claiming is not allowed, actually calocane and others could be claiming £390 a month in universal credit payments because, it covers their basic

bed and board is already covered by the state, but they're unable to claim this before their release because they're entitled to these benefits, because they're in this mental institution as opposed to a prison. so if you counted that up over the course of 20 years, that could amount to £93,000 in current universal credit rate, which means a £93,000 of taxpayers money could be spent on this killer. let's just remind ourselves of who lost their lives in this. he murdered 19 year old students barnaby webber and grace o'malley—kumar, and school caretaker ian coates, who is 65. don't also forget that that his case was downgraded by the crown prosecution service. so the families of the victims wanted him to be tried for murder. but he wasn't tried for murder. he was tried for manslaughter due to his diminished responsibility. and that is why he is in that secure hospital rather than in a prison . let's rather than in a prison. let's bnng rather than in a prison. let's bring emma webber, whose mother of barnaby weather, into the

conversation now. lovely to see you, mrs. webber. look, before we get into this case, how are you doing? how's your husband, dave? how's your son, charlie? i know you've done a lot of media, but at the end of the day, you're a grieving mum, so let's just establish how you're getting on. first of all. >> well, first of all, call me emma, please, how am i doing? i honestly hanging on by my fingernails. i always say that, but it's true. we're in a situation we should never be in, it's because all of it's just heinous. it'sjust it's because all of it's just heinous. it's just horrific. and i'm speaking to you from a hotel room in in london. because i've been up here today from somerset meeting with the cqc, the outcome of their investigation into calocane's handling management, from the mental health trust and also with the iopc with regards to the failings of the, of the police forces. so that probably says it all. you know, we're trying our best. we shouldn't be here, but we are. but because we're being listened to, i feel grateful ,

listened to, i feel grateful, you know, for people like you inviting, inviting us on because we have to be heard, because this is so wrong. it's so wrong, right. >> it's so wrong. tell me what your reaction is to this story based on a freedom of information request? i mean, the idea that calocane could be receiving taxpayers money in benefits strikes me as perverse. i think the gb news audience will be absolutely horrified by it. so goodness only knows how you, as barnaby barnaby's mother, feels. what's your reaction to this story? >> i think the word perverse is perfect, it sickens me. it sickens every family member that's had their lives shattered by calocane. and he's a murderer , you know, we've been very pubuc , you know, we've been very public with our criticism of the way he was treated prior to the arrest , prior to the attacks, arrest, prior to the attacks, and also subsequently. and i

think the fact that this individual is treated as a patient, he's not treated as a, as a murderer. there's no punishment, there's no penal element to anything. and on top of that, he's costing us as taxpayers. best part of three, £400,000 a year to keep him in his secure unit. and then on top of that , he's getting thousands of that, he's getting thousands of that, he's getting thousands of pounds a year in benefits that he's entitled to. whereas we as families aren't entitled to anything, we are not entitled to anything, we are not entitled to more than 12 paid for therapy sessions by the victim, support service that's funded by the ministry of justice. i think it says it all. it's something is really wrong here. and, it needs addressing . addressing. >> will you be lobbying the next government, whoever that may be, to change this? because obviously there are rules in place for prison. but i do agree with you entirely. this should be based on the nature of the crime , regardless of the

crime, regardless of the mitigating factors that are named in court by the perpetrator's legal team. this man has claimed the life of your son and two other people. therefore, why on earth is it even a consideration that he should receive any further taxpayers money? >> i think it's not just calocane. i think that there are dozens, if not hundreds of other perpetrators of very serious, heinous crimes. and i use the word crimes on purpose that are in receipt of these, of these benefits. and, you know, it's this isn't news to us. we've known this for months and months and we've questioned and questioned and we've had evasive answers from, from the government and thankfully, you know, in a diligent investigative journalist has has highlighted it and it's caught the news today, wouldn't even really know how to to how begin with all the failings that there have been. but, you know, this is this is just one of them. and

we have to highlight that. i think the we're heartened by the fact that it's, been raised and that there's public concern about it. there's governmental concern about it. we've been assured by the current government, we've been assured by the prospective new government, if labour gets in that it's an immediate, urgent concern that they will address, and we're not going to stop because, you know, we do not believe that valdo calocane is an unwell person, we've never disputed the fact that he's mentally unwell . however, even mentally unwell. however, even in the notes of, the arrests and, presented at court, he knew what he was doing. he knew it was wrong, but he did it anyway. and he planned this heinous murder . and he planned this heinous murder. trust me, half of the facts haven't even come out yet. and when they do, i hope it'll be by way of a public inquiry. i really hope maybe we are. that case that changes the law so that other families don't have to go through this devastation. and, you know , it's just the

and, you know, it's just the bitterness and the, the poisonous added when you learn it's all in his favour, you know, he's treated as a patient. there's a lot of concern about his medication, his treatment, his medication, his treatment, his activity programme, about reducing him from high security to medium security and letting him out in the community. you know, that that worked well, didn't it? because this is somebody that's been diagnosed for four years. well, now three years last year. and look at what he did . what he did. >> so i mean, anyone watching this emma, anyone watching this has been so touched by this case. they've been so touched by the stories that you've told about barnaby and grace and indeed, ian coates's family also charlie. i mean, i read the piece that he did with the mail, i think it was last week. what a brave son you have in him. keeping barnaby's memory alive. what can we do to help him? because we could have a prime minister in place on friday who used to be the director of pubuc used to be the director of public prosecutions, as he likes

to remind everybody, keir starmer, do you want to make a direct appeal to him on this show? what do you want to say to him? because it sounds to me as if you think this whole criminal process has been weighted in favour of calocane against your family, against grace's and ian's family, so to speak, directly to the prime minister. and, you know, we'll make sure his team get the next prime minister potentially, and we'll make sure his team gets this message. what do you want to say? >>i say? >> i think firstly, charlie's charlie is my absolute hero, and the fact that he's able to speak like that makes me so proud of him. and trust me, we don't let him. and trust me, we don't let him do that kind of thing lightly. but he said to me , mum, lightly. but he said to me, mum, after he spoke to the daily mail, he said mum, that actually helped. it made me feel better because his voice is being heard. you know, he's 16, nearly 17, so he's got a voice and it needs to be listened to, not just us in our in our middle age and via our lawyers, we've had the opportunity to speak to keir. we've had the opportunity to meet with him and the potential shadow cabinet. we've also met with the current,

incumbent and government, and i do think they're listening. i think they're listening because there's so much public support and media support for us. and i don't think for a second with respect to both parties, that we'd get so much attention if it weren't for the public and media support of us. and so we're not going to stop. and so keir said, three times now in the last 7 or 8 days, that he is behind a pubuc 8 days, that he is behind a public inquiry. and i think the last thing we want is years of this being extended and years more pain. but if it means we get the answers and if it means we can question and challenge some of the quite frankly, ridiculous decisions that have been made at very senior levels in the cps and the police force and the nhs , then that's if and the nhs, then that's if that's what it takes, and that's what we're going to have to do, because i think that's the only way we're going to get answers because we've had i can't give details, but we've had an indication today that, you know, the various agencies do close ranks and their silos, and they

deal with their terms of reference and their little bits. but, you know, no one's looking at the holistic picture here. nobodyis at the holistic picture here. nobody is saying, hang on, because it'll happen again. it's not a case of an isolated incident . unfortunately, incident. unfortunately, i believe there are many calocane's out there in the community from what we've heard about the lack of care, and the lack of due diligence and candour. lack of due diligence and candour . so. yeah, so, so, you candour. so. yeah, so, so, you know, message to keir and to rishi, likely either one of them are going to be our next prime minister that we're not going to stop beating at your door. because we're doing it not just in the interest of our case. i think we're doing it in the interest of public safety, because nobody, nobody wants to go through this. >> no. absolutely not. look, we're behind you. the public is behind you, emma. thank you once again for your bravery and your candoun again for your bravery and your candour. and we will keep in touch because we want to keep on following this case in barnaby grace and ian's memory. so thank you so much indeed for your time this evening. thank you . crikey. this evening. thank you. crikey. right. let's bring the panel

into the conversation. now i'm joined by, well, actually two former mps for harlow, bill rammell and robert halfon. and also, as you've reminded me, two former ministers for higher education, before we get into the campaign . yeah. as parents, the campaign. yeah. as parents, i think we can all identify with emma webber and the families involved in this does seem to me that something's gone wrong with this case, that they are feeling, that they haven't been listened to, that they've been failed by multiple agencies, and that valdo calocane seems to be getting more of the state and authorities attention than the families of these victims. we need a public inquiry into this, don't we? >> we do. what really struck me, were her words about the way that public agencies close ranks, when there's been potential wrongdoing. and i think the only way to cleanse that and get at it is a public inquiry. but i found it found it shocking that he's getting access to benefits, even if you accept that he was in the midst of a severe psychotic episode,

it was still a heinous crime . he it was still a heinous crime. he is being detained to protect the pubuc is being detained to protect the public at public expense. why on earth is there a need to pay him benefits? and i'm very pleased labour's committed to review it. >> it's pretty grim and the courage of the family is extraordinary. >> just you can't be moved just watching your interview and what i don't understand is that they're getting this criminal is getting universal benefits and yet is being looked after by the state. there is absolutely no justification for it whatsoever . justification for it whatsoever. and how this has happened and how this anomaly has been allowed to go on, it's got to be stopped. i'm glad that both both government, you know, the conservatives and the, labour party, it looks like from what, miss webber was saying, are going to, you know, looks like they're going to close the loophole, but it's got to be pronto. >> also, this can't continue. we wouldn't have found out about this if it wasn't for a freedom of information request by my telegraph colleague, charles himars. >> pretty incredible work by the

daily telegraph. >> and it's not just one case. there's about 80 of them, apparently. >> well, exactly. yeah, he's one of 80 convicted killers, rapists and other violent criminals who are detained at ashworth, which is that secure hospital, as you say, bill, that are entitled to thousands of pounds in universal credit and employment and support allowance. absolutely unbelievable . right. let's get unbelievable. right. let's get on to the election campaign . on to the election campaign. just discuss this. i'm not going to work beyond 6 pm. claim by keir starmer. >> well, god help if it's five minutes to midnight because keir starmer will say, i've got my pyjamas on. i can't can't answer the bell. >> this is a remarkably naive thing for him to say. >> hold on, put it in context. he talked about friday evenings. one day a week and of course, if there was an emergency, he worked beyond 6:00. but do you know what i think when he said, you know, working 24 over seven isn't the best way to get results. i think that will chime with a lot of people. and, you know, there ought to be some time at least once a week , time at least once a week, protected for him and his children, but he's going to be working 70, 80, 90 hours a week.

of course, the impression was it wasn't just a friday night. >> the impression was that he was going to stop. it was explicitly just friday. you know, he talked about friday night separately because he says on friday night, i always spend with my family. no one's got any problem with that. but the reality is, i mean, you know, prime minister, it's a 24 hour job. it is a 24 over seven job. you've got crises coming to you every minute. we're living in a world with russia and ukraine. war we've got problems in the middle east. this isn't someone who can just say, i'm sorry. i'm having. i'm having a cup of tea at 6:00. it's just just it's just crazy. >> but, robert, that's not what he's saying. i mean, look, this is a guy who, throughout his working life has worked extraordinary hours, and he will carry on doing that as prime minister. >> has this campaign all been a bit unedifying? i mean, we had today the labour battlebus. it's got these pillow cases with rishi sunak's face on them. you know, you don't want to be waking up next to this come july the 5th. we've had one candidate referring to reform and equating them with nazis. it's all getting a bit silly, isn't it ? getting a bit silly, isn't it? >> i don't think it's i don't think this campaign is any

different to any other campaign that i've been involved in. >> i think the public just get switched off on tactics. >> i think. i think the public often say you're all the same and they don't like it. you know, i completely get that. but it does go on. it's inevitable, but i do think there are clear messages and there is a clear choice in this campaign. you know, if you want lower taxes, if you want to get the rwanda thing through, to stop the to stop the boats, then people can vote conservative, you know, and otherwise, if you want higher taxes, a tax on tax on your pensions, fuel duty going up something i've campaigned for all my previous parliamentary career, then vote labour. >> i mean bill, this is the trouble with labour, right? when we have shadow ministers in here. pat mcfadden was in on sunday. the guy who's coordinating the campaign. they cannot rule out tax rises on people or things or wealth. other than working people. this is the problem. he's like, we've got no plans to. and i say, you're not going to rule it out though. so there is a degree of jeopardy even though, well, they're doing this whole ming vase strategy. >> let me come on to that. let

me just push back at robert net migration three times higher today than it was under the last labour government and the highest tax burden since the second world war under this government. that's that's what great migration was coming down over the past year. >> we know why. we know why the tax burden has gone up, because we spent £450 billion on covid, which the labour party supported at the time. but now, since then, we've been reducing tax by cutting the national trust back in on the tax point. >> the thresholds are still frozen until we're not going to reverse them. >> are you going? you're not going to reverse. >> no, you're not gonna reverse. we're inheriting the worst fiscal inheritance of any government that we've seen. but in terms of the tax claim, we've made it abundantly clear no increases to national insurance, vat and income tax. >> we know what you're not going to tax beyond that. are you going to attack your duty beyond that? >> it would be irresponsible to make commitments that you can't necessarily guarantee. we've seen that with the tories. look at what they said at the last general election and they then completely repudiated, can't guarantee that taxes won't rise on things other than working

people, whatever that might be. all our programme has been properly funded and we don't need to raise taxes to deliver it. we can answer this question why don't we just say we've cut, you know, the economic growth record of the last labour government was hugely better than this government. that's how you generate investment. >> we cut fuel duty by £0.05. labour are going to raise fuel duty. they've always raised fuel duty. they've always raised fuel duty when they've been in government. they're going to tax our pensions. they've always taxed pensions. fuel. >> escalator was introduced by the last conservative government. >> the labour party voted against every fuel duty cut. we've we've froze fuel duty for all our time in office and cut it by 5 pm. rishi was was the chancellor the labour party going to going to raise fuel duty. that's why they won't give a commitment. robert you've got a commitment. robert you've got a they will tax our pensions. >> ken clarke he started the fuel. >> who was it. that was a government a long time ago. who was it who cut fuel duty by £0.05. which government was it that froze fuel duty every single year since 2010? which party voted against all those fuel duty cuts? it was the labour party. >> which party has delivered the

highest tax burden since the second world war? amidst a cost of living crisis and with living standards, you know, real wages having gone up by just 3% under this government, and which to party 27% under the last labour government? >> which government faced the biggest crisis in the second world war because they had to spend £450 billion on the pandemic? >> we all have a crisis. we had the world banking crisis. >> they did have to put up taxes dunng >> they did have to put up taxes during that time. the prime minister has absolutely acknowledged that. but since he's got the economy back under the right , he's got the economy back under the right, right path and we've cut we're cutting national insurance, we've already cut it by £900. we've increased the national living wage. we're going to cut pension tax. you're going to cut pension tax. you're going to cut pension tax. you're going to raise it. do you know what? >> if you think the economy is under control, that does not accord with people's highest growth rate in europe. 2% inflation. people on the door temperatures are high. >> to just nip out of the studio, have a cup of tea and a kit—kat and leave you to it. we have to leave it there. but i you know, we love a bit of red on blue, so thank you very much indeed. good luck to both respective sides on thursday. that's how economical we are here @gbnews right. coming up next we're going to be well.

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welcome back to vote 2024 with me. camilla tominey. let's talk about marine le pen's resurgence in france. and indeed, it looks as if her national rally party are going to trounce emmanuel macron's ruling centrist alliance. exit polls suggest that they are winning 34% of the vote, while the left wing new popular front is on second with around 29% and mr macron's together alliance is on 20.5 to 23, they think be another poll after our election next week. let's discuss this now with nabila ramdani, who's a french algerian journalist and author of fixing france. how to repair a broken republic. lovely to see

you. this evening. thank you very much for joining you. this evening. thank you very much forjoining me. nabila, what's been going on then?i nabila, what's been going on then? i mean, it does look as if le pen is going to surge to victory. what does that therefore mean for emmanuel macron, his party and indeed his presidency? >> well, i think, you know , >> well, i think, you know, undoubtedly that the exit polls that we saw yesterday indicate a highly significant vote share for the national rally. there is no doubt about it. but it's not definitive. i mean, what ultimately counts is the seat share, and we'll know more about that next sunday. so what we need to work out at the moment is how it will. this massive vote share will translate into seats actually worn in the 577 seats actually worn in the 577 seats at the national assembly next sunday. the turnout was incredibly high, almost 70, and i imagine it will be even higher next sunday, showing how incredibly serious these elections, these key

parliamentary elections are being taken by people in france. the percentage of the votes for the national rally that they got yesterday represents 12 million votes, with 12 million people, which is an incredibly high number, bearing in mind that they usually get around 4 million votes at parliamentary elections. so it's literally tripling of the vote in a short penod tripling of the vote in a short period of time. and i think there was a lot of shock and indeed anger at this result. we saw a lot of people already taking to the streets in paris after the exit. exit polls , but after the exit. exit polls, but i don't think it was much of a surprise given that the national rally has evidently been polling extremely well for a long time, not least of all at the european parliamentary elections. only three weeks ago. >> and do you think that's a result of marine le pen having sanitised the party a bit more, changed the name from the national front that her father, jean—marie set up in the 70s,

now calling it the national rally , obviously got bardella rally, obviously got bardella front and centre of the movement as a future prime minister. a young guy that can relate to the gen zs. has that all helped ? gen zs. has that all helped? >> well, i think, you know, marine le pen claims that she has changed the face of the party, one that is indisputably unked party, one that is indisputably linked with the, you know, racism of the worst kind , racism of the worst kind, including islamophobia and anti—semitism. i mean , the anti—semitism. i mean, the party's has firm roots in nazism. founding members fought with the waffen ss . and there's with the waffen ss. and there's also a lot of nostalgia that is unked also a lot of nostalgia that is linked to the resentment over the loss of france's colonial empire, and not least of all in algeria. and i think that all this legacy hasn't gone away, and there's no evidence of that legacy that has magically vanished. i think quite the opposite. we've seen, for example, during the campaign, some of the proposals of the national rally, effectively putting forward what they call a national preference for french

people with french roots going as far as proposing, for example, to abandon that republican right of any french person born on french soil to automatically become french. they've also been suggesting that, they can clamp down on certain jobs for dual nationals and indeed, banning the islamic headscarf in all public spaces , headscarf in all public spaces, including on the streets. and i think there's a lot of fear that if they do manage to get in a position of government, meaning that potentially. jordan bardella 28 year old with no experience of government could end up being the prime minister of france. i think it's looking pretty daunting for, certain sections of the french population . and therefore there population. and therefore there is this massive call for what is called the republican front to try to effectively lock out the far right from power. and this comes from not only macron's coalition renaissance party, but also this new leftist coalition, the new popular front , calling

the new popular front, calling for to be a bit savvy and to do deals at the next round of elections to try to keep the far right out, but also calling for demonstrations on the street to try and convince the moderates not to join in the surge of the far right. >> yes, miss ramdani , thank you >> yes, miss ramdani, thank you very much indeed forjoining me this evening. i think whatever happensin this evening. i think whatever happens in this election, it's not looking good for emmanuel macron . that much we can macron. that much we can conclude. well, let's go from france now to america, the supreme court has ruled that donald trump could be immune from criminal charges over the january 6th riots because he was once a president. and that comes following the fallout. let's put it that way, from this disaster class. in debating that we witnessed on thursday night. so biden went against trump, you'll no doubt have seen some of the clips where we saw 81 year old joe biden, the us president, stumbling over his words, unable to finish some of his sentences and generally struggling on that

debate stage. we've now got a poll by cbs news and yougov, which indicates that 72% of registered voters believe the president does not have the mental or cognitive health to serve as president. that's a sharp increase from 65% who thought the same in an earlier poll. worryingly for the democrats, 45% of registered democrats, 45% of registered democrats who responded to that poll say they believe the president should step for aside another candidate. but after a meeting at camp david with the biden family, including, of course, his wife's jill and his children, apparently they want him to stay in the race and keep fighting, which i think is something that has sparked debate not just in america but around the country. let's get into this now with hogan gidley. he's a white house deputy. press secretary of yesteryear. he served from 2019 to 2020, in the donald trump administration. lovely to see you this evening , lovely to see you this evening, hogan.thank lovely to see you this evening, hogan. thank you very much indeed for joining hogan. thank you very much indeed forjoining me. i mean, i'll ask you a simple question and i appreciate you perhaps got

some skin in the game, but is biden fit to be president right now ? nope, but that's nothing now? nope, but that's nothing new. i'm so glad that the media found jesus on this , but the found jesus on this, but the fact is, they've been covering up for joe fact is, they've been covering up forjoe biden's foibles fact is, they've been covering up for joe biden's foibles for a long time. remember, it was just a week ago before the debate. they invented a word to try and protect him. it wasn't a deep fake. they were cheap fakes. they were basically edited videos that showed joe biden had cognitive and physical, mental decline. but they weren't real videos. they were just manipulated in a way that that, you know, made the public think he was in serious, decline. the problem is that debate erased all of that nonsense. they saw him behind a podium, as you said. he stumbled. he bumbled. he mumbled. he could not complete sentences. he clearly had lost his train of thought. throughout the debate, he would stare off into the distance and remember the entire thing was set up for him. this was his network, his anchors, his rules that he made up. they prepping

said one liners for him, ways to mess with donald trump. and he still failed this badly. >> having said that, in the same poll , 49% of voters said >> having said that, in the same poll, 49% of voters said former president donald trump does not have the mental or cognitive to health serve as president. we've got a 78 year old here going against an 81 year old. i mean, i've said this in the past on this channel, you know, we've got the american people facing a choice between a man who seems to be facing a prison sentence and another man who can't finish and another man who can't finish a sentence. it's a bit of a sophie's choice, isn't it, hogan? >> well, not really, because the debate showed two men in two different stages of life, one of them clearly at the end, and one of them poised to be the next president of the united states, articulating the specifics about his policy that improved the lives of all americans , lives of all americans, regardless of race, religion, colour or creed, but also settled the world landscape as well. we didn't have wars breaking out all over the place like we do under joe biden. so like we do underjoe biden. so these two men and you talked about the choices and some

while, while some may lament that on both sides of the aisle, that's the menu. it's beef or chicken. you don't get a third opfion chicken. you don't get a third option here. and right now donald trump is the clear front runner. because not only is he ready to be president, not only did he have proven success while he was president, but the american people want to return to those policies that made their today better with the potential for their tomorrows to be better as well. >> a beef or chicken? what if you're vegetarian, hogan? what's your choice then? i mean, would it be better for trump? >> rfk jr ? maybe. >> rfk jr? maybe. >> rfk jr? maybe. >> maybe? yeah, exactly. it would be better for trump, though, if biden remains in place, wouldn't it? i mean, he's got more of a chance of winning now after that debate than, say, if biden is replaced by california governor gavin newsom i >> -- >> well, i wouldn't say that because a lot of people don't know gavin newsom at this point. but when they start to learn things about how horrible california is at this point, the rapid decline they face with bad policies that have resulted in spikes in crime, homeless problems , drugs, people dying problems, drugs, people dying

from from fentanyl overdoses , from from fentanyl overdoses, not to mention the border problems they have in california as well. i think the choice is still pretty clear . regardless still pretty clear. regardless of who the democrats put up, they're going to have a problem with their policies because they're just not popular with they're just not popular with the american people . the american people. >> hogan gidley, thank you very much indeed forjoining me this much indeed for joining me this evening. thank you much. well, there you go. thank you. well, you know, if you thought us politics was a bit bonkers, should we just reflect on what used to be known on this show as what the farage, which i'm now calling can you believe it? it's that moment in the day where you think to yourself, this is literally what we've become . and literally what we've become. and this is the liberal democrat leader, ed davey, deciding that the best way to campaign for the party today was to take a bungee jump party today was to take a bungee jump in eastbourne. should we take a look at the footage? let's just see him now propelling himself through the air. the last time i watched this footage, i actually felt slightly vertiginous because it's quite high. let's have a look at him jumping off this crane in eastbourne . all right,

crane in eastbourne. all right, guys. >> of liberal democrat . >> of liberal democrat. >> of liberal democrat. >> just like to remind people that ed davey is 58 years old. but he says that people should take a leap of faith on ed davey and the liberal democrats. there you have it. would you believe i watched bungee jumped? perhaps that's a story for another show . that's a story for another show. coming up next, we're going to be discussing the euros gordon south, a gordon southgate, gareth southgate . does he need gareth southgate. does he need to dispense with the knitwear channel? his inner alex ferguson and go mad at this team? can they produce something better than we saw on sunday against switzerland? this saturday we're going to be speaking to big sam allardyce getting his full verdict in just a moment.

welcome back. i was going to

speak to big sam allardyce. allardyce about the football, but we can't get hold of him. presumably he is writing his application to the fa as we speak for a second shot at the england manager. we might have him, but we don't know. so in the meantime i'm going to bring tom harwood in to talk about what's coming up on state of the nafion what's coming up on state of the nation tonight. >> we could talk about it as a world renowned football expert. >> well, you have got many talents, tom. we're all afcon. >> i've come dressed as the england flag actually, today, just to show my support for the three lions. >> so is he good? sorry. are you saying that sam allardyce is here. we've got sam allardyce. oh i'm getting me i'm getting it in my ear. sam allardyce is here. tom hold that thought big sam thank god you're with us. thank god. come on then. we haven't got very much time. sam give me a complete lowdown on what you made of the match and what you made of the match and what they need to do to beat switzerland. >> well, obviously play better. i mean, no need to be an expert to say that. i think that, they were driven right to the very, very end. we all, we all, we're

all hanging on with our fingernails, biting our fingernails, biting our fingernails, saying, this is it. we're going to exit the tournament. it's going to be a big disappointment until we had a stunning goal from from bellingham. and i think this is this is the difference at this level of the competition. when somebody does something brilliant to change a game in your favour and that was bellingham. and of course, the substitution of ivan toney because ivan toney was a massive, massive contribution to the two to goals a really good there's one flick on and one head back across goal for harry kane to score. the second got us through the tie and of course, the big questions are asking about how the players will cope going into the next game, which at least they've got a good rest. at least they've got time to plan out how they're going to play to plan out how they're going to play and what they're going to try and do and how they're going to get better, really, particularly sam. >> sam, we're running out of time. i'm afraid. one question, yes or no answer. does he start with palmer and tony next time? >> yeah. yes. >> yeah. yes. >> yes he does . sam allardyce, >> yes he does. sam allardyce, thank you very much indeed for

joining me, albeit briefly. coming up next, as i say, is state of the nation with tom harwood. we went to a handover now because he's just about to come on air and you can benefit from his football wisdom. then before he does come on air and discuss politics, we hope are not the soccer. let's get a weather update with alex burkill, who will be telling you whether it's going to be sunny or rainy and what's going on for election day. have a great evening. thank you. >> looks like things are heating up. boxt boilers sponsors of weather on gb news . weather on gb news. >> good evening. here's your latest gb news, weather forecast brought to you by the met office. looking ahead to tomorrow and there will be some showery rain around but also some bright sunny spells. but first thing for some it is going to be a bit cloudy and a bit damp because of a frontal system that has already pushed its way in from the northwest and is currently making its way south eastwards as we go overnight. so eastern southern parts of england likely to have quite a

bit of cloud and some drizzly rain as we go through the night and head towards dawn tomorrow. elsewhere, some clear spells mixed in a few showers possible, but temperatures really aren't going to drop. a huge amount, particularly in the east and southeast where we have that thicker cloud. it is going to be a pretty mild start to the day tomorrow, but like i said, a cloudy, damp, drizzly start here further north, a bit of a brighter start , particularly brighter start, particularly across eastern parts of scotland. a good deal of sunshine early on here. further west we will see some showery rain pushing its way in and that's going to turn a bit more persistent, a bit more widespread as we go through the day across northern ireland, much of northern england through the morning. it's looking mostly dry, some bright sunny spells. watch out for a few showers across parts of wales, perhaps northwest england, and then a real west east split across much of central southern england. with that cloud and that drizzly rain i mentioned across eastern parts. most of that, though, will clear away as we go through the day. and so it is going to turn a little bit drier and brighter here. further north, a slightly different story. yes, there will be some sunny breaks

around, but i am expecting some showery rain to push its way in across parts of scotland, northern england and northern ireland. and some of this could be on the heavy side. temperatures around average for the time of year, just about scraping into the low 20s towards the south. wednesday looks like a pretty wet day for many of us. the rain may not be especially heavy, but it's going to be fairly widespread. most places likely to see some wet weather at times could even be some low cloud, some hill fog, and some strong, blustery winds to watch out for as well. for many, thursday looks like it will be a brighter day, but could be quite windy for some of us before more rain on friday by a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on gb. >> news

>> good evening. i'm tom harwood, bringing you state of

the nation tonight. we're now in the nation tonight. we're now in the election week, the final furlong, if you will. but could we really be in for the lowest number of seats the tories have ever won in the party's 200 year history? and the largest ever labour majority. reform uk hosted a trump style rally over the weekend with as many as 5000 attendees. so will the ascendancy of nigel farage compare to that of donald trump? we'll also dive into trump's newfound partial court immunity. the labour party has taken aim at the labyrinthine planning system , with suggestions they system, with suggestions they could defy the nimbys and build on the green belt if elected. but could that really be the end of the housing crisis? plus, marine le pen has wiped out emmanuel macron's party in the first round of the french parliamentary election. so what does this mean for the future of europe? find out shortly. state of the nation starts now .