yes. this is michelle dewberry. hello yes. it's 6:00. and yes, it is indeed time for dewbs& co, i should have told you this earlier, though . but i've earlier, though. but i've decided that it's 6:00 now. i'm going to down tools and i'm going to down tools and i'm going to down tools and i'm going to have quality family time instead, so on. how many times have i told you stop picking your nose. sorry. what was i saying? oh, yeah, 6:00. quality family time for me from now on in. love it. quality family time for me from now on in. love it . you again. now on in. love it. you again. listen. no you cannot convince me to do the show. because if it's good enough for the man who. let's face it, it's probably going to be our prime

minister this time. next week. sir keir starmer, that is good enough for me to clock off at 6:00 as well. so you know what? why don't you go and take a look at the news? if you're not working . working. >> thanks very much indeed , >> thanks very much indeed, michel. well, let me update you with the latest news here from the gb newsroom . and the top the gb newsroom. and the top story is that a student nurse described as an incredibly dangerous man who intended to kill as many people as possible, has been found guilty of preparing terrorist acts. mohammed farooq was arrested in leeds with a pressure cooker bomb at the hospital, where he worked in january last year, sheffield crown court heard how an incredibly brave patient prevented utter devastation when he managed to talk him down. the 28 year old self—radicalized islamist terrorist had immersed himself in an extremist islamist ideology and went to the hospital to seek his own

martyrdom . well, also in the martyrdom. well, also in the news today, former nurse lucy letby has been found guilty of the attempted murder of another premature baby girl just two hours after she was born. the 34 year old is already the uk's most prolific child killer and is serving 14 whole life sentences for the murders of seven babies and trying to kill six others. originally, the jury couldn't reach a verdict on the allegation, but after a retrial it was decided that letby did deliberately dislodge a breathing tube from the little baby at the countess of chester hospital in 2016, the family released a statement outside manchester crown court this afternoon thanking the jury for their patience and resilience and the medical professionals who had all given evidence they also praised the investigation team and the prosecution team , team and the prosecution team, saying they would be forever grateful for their work . three grateful for their work. three leicestershire police officers are under investigation over how they dealt with alleged assaults

by nottingham killer valdo calocane in the weeks before . he calocane in the weeks before. he went on to kill three other people, two constables and a sergeant are said to have made inquiries into alleged assaults made by calocane. but he then went on to kill students barnaby webber and grace o'malley—kumar, and caretaker ian coates. barnaby webber's brother charlie spoke to gb news earlier about their close bond and the devastating impact of the death of his brother, a year on from the attacks. >> i rememberi the attacks. >> i remember i was on a school trip and i remember sitting down on the, the side of the bus and my parents or mum and dad telling me that there's been an incident in nottingham and barney has been killed. and i just it's like i remember the feeling, i can't really describe it as, like, you just feel very fuzzy , and i didn't. i just fuzzy, and i didn't. ijust broke down in tears and i didn't know to what do. i didn't know where to go. i was getting overheated. and it's just. yeah, it was something you can't comprehend as it.

>> dolly webber speaking there about his brother. now, royal mail has hit back at claims there's been a failure to get postal votes sent out to some people in some areas, insisting there is no backlog ahead of the general election. on thursday . general election. on thursday. it comes after the post office minister himself, kevin hollinrake, was said to be urgently investigating claims of delays in some constituencies. the labour leader, sir keir starmer, is refusing to rule out recounts if some postal votes can't be counted. >> well, look, we cross each bndge >> well, look, we cross each bridge as we get to it. i am concerned about the delays and i think what needs to happen now is everybody needs to pull together to make sure the ballot papers get where they're needed. so that people can exercise their democratic right to vote. so that's where my focus is at the moment . the moment. >> keir starmer, now the chairman of reform uk richard tice, has accused the conservative party of placing a trojan horse set of candidates to spread lies in the party. it comes after a second reform

candidate suspended her campaign and defected to the tories. george david accused the vast majority of candidates of being racist and she said misogynistic. but a reform spokesman described her comments as sweeping and her actions as sad and strange . and just lastly sad and strange. and just lastly , royal mint has honoured team gb's olympic and paralympic athletes with a new £0.50 coin. it comes ahead of the paris games in just 24 days time. the collectable, which has prices starting from £12, features athletes against a backdrop of the union flag with a silhouette of the eiffel tower. the royal mint says they hope the coin serves as a special good luck token . those are the latest gb token. those are the latest gb news headlines. for now, i'm polly middlehurst. i'm back in an hour with more news for you. >> for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code or go to gbnews.com

forward slash alerts . forward slash alerts. >> panic over everyone. i am here, really. i am michelle dewberry. and just for a brief moment, you might have thought i was skiving off because it was 6:00, but no no no no no, i am a northerner and i graft and i've got a true work ethic. so here i am until 7:00, alongside with my panel am until 7:00, alongside with my panel. the entrepreneur and the reform uk donor, zia yusuf and lord glasman , the labour peer. lord glasman, the labour peer. welcome to both of you . you're welcome to both of you. you're very welcome indeed. and you know the drill, don't you? on this programme it is very much about you guys at home as well. what's on your mind tonight? there's a lot i want to discuss with you, everybody, of course i want to look at what the goings on with the defections when it comes to reform today, i want to look at. apparently, according to one poll, a high number of young black and asian , people young black and asian, people are saying that they're going to leave the country . why? what do

leave the country. why? what do you think's going on there? and i also want to ask you about newspaper endorsements. do you think that they are worth now the paper essentially that they are written on when it comes to who they are going to back in this next general election or not, what have you wondering what on earth i was talking about at the start of the programme. let's just remind ourselves, shall we, about what keir starmer has recently said. >> so on a friday i've been doing this for years. i will not doing this for years. i will not do a work related thing after 6:00 pretty well come what may. yeah i've got to say of course, the tories you'd expect this been absolutely making here with it. it's very quick off the mark with their social media responses to that. let's have a little look at this. you can see this mock up of a diary there. well you can see if you've got a magnifying glass quite frankly. but it goes on about it's factoring in a nap. it's factoring in a nap. it's factoring in, in him knocking off early at 6:00 and so on and so forth. and i've really got to say that there's a lot of people really making here with this today, zia yousef, you're a businessman, and entrepreneur. what do you think to keir

starmer? what he said about going home early, essentially at 6:00 on a friday? >> i think ultimately, if you look at this objectively, what it actually just shows is poor judgement more than anything else. to actually make that statement specifically about, come what may. and after 6 pm, you know, if your prime minister of this country, as it looks, odds on that he will be that the things that you would put in the come what may category for a british prime minister can be some very, very serious things. we obviously do have enemies out there. listen, as somebody who has been in executive myself and as somebody who believes in reform , we do believe in family. reform, we do believe in family. i think executives, i think it is a good thing that they carve out some time in the week in to order spend time with family. i think this idea that you can work 24 over seven for five years and make good executive decisions is obviously not the case. however, the real concern about this, i think, for me is the lack of judgement in saying what he has said and obviously judgement is something that is incredibly important in a prime minister, what do you think to it? >> well, i think it's just just

about one of the best things he's ever said. i don't work on friday afternoons myself. i'm jewish, i observe the sabbath. so i clock off at four in winter, in summer, at around six. i don't work on saturdays. the sabbath day is absolutely sacred to me. there's got to be a day, a week you don't work. whoever you are, sensible comment and it's pathetic. the conservatory response is completely pathetic . maurice, completely pathetic. maurice, come off it. >> you're not telling me that you're going to turn around. if you're going to turn around. if you was to be the prime minister of this country and you're going to turn around and say whatever it was you just said, it's a sabbath, so i'm not working. and all the rest of it you wouldn't if there was a matter that needed your attention was if there was. >> but the point is, what you're saying is he's not going to the usual completely meaningless cocktail party. this could be fair. >> he did say, come what may. and so while i agree with the sentiment again, my view is that there should be some time carved out and he should try to manage that effectively as all executives do. but saying come what may i think is a is a talking, four judge westminster side. >> there's this relentlessly false manic cycle. have you got

to be working? you got but they're not working. they're just attending meaningless meetings. so i think good for him to say there's an evening a week. i'm going to be with my family when he says, come on me, he doesn't mean if there's a threat of a nuclear strike or, you know, obviously that's not what i think. >> come what may, we should take it at face value, shouldn't we? >> i mean, come what may, within reasons. they're just just man up on that one. it's a good idea andifs up on that one. it's a good idea and it's pro family and it's pro sabbath and i agree with it, but i mean, i found this interesting because there is this whole nofion because there is this whole notion about what the world of work should perhaps look like going forward, because you've got a lot the labour party will talk about the reform of the workers rights. they'll do a 100 day well, not a 100 day, but they'll do a consultation within they'll do a consultation within the first 100 days with business looking at how they can change things. i found it quite interesting in greece. they seem to be going the other way. their leader there is talking about making mandating a six day, working week, which is a complete opposite. but this whole notion that we should perhaps have more working from home, perhaps four day working weeks. where are you on that

one? >> look, my view is that we should allow people to make their own decisions, and government should stay out of their way. look if people want to work seven days a week, 12 hours a day for a certain period of time because they're doing world changing work and they feel really passionately about it, more power to them. that's their decision to make. if people want to clock have do a job in which you have a 9 to 5 with a one hour lunch break and clock off at five, and that's totally fine as well. i think legislating in one direction or the other, i think is a very bad idea. >> but then are we going to achieve growth because of course, much of the labour manifesto is predicated on achieving economic growth . so on achieving economic growth. so on the one hand, if we're talking about lots more flexibility in the workplace , perhaps, shorter the workplace, perhaps, shorter working days or fewer working days or whatever, how will that achieve the economic growth? >> i'm going to that. i'm saying monday to friday afternoon. that's when you do your work. but there's also a time for a day of rest. and one thing we've lost in the endless digital cycle and open all hours is

we've lost the concept of a day, a week where you don't work. that's absolutely vital. and thatis that's absolutely vital. and that is an enhanced productivity. because if you're really tired, as you know , really tired, as you know, michel, sometimes your judgement gets a little bit wonky. >> is he trying to sound tired? everybody can't even respond to that, so but what are you saying then? so you're saying that. yes. the ship sailed now. so sunday used to be kind of essentially a chill out day for many retail. now, really changed that. the same as, for example, boxing day . now there's no rest boxing day. now there's no rest for the wicked. if you have argued in parliament for having memorial sunday, as all the shops closed, you know, it doesn't necessarily enhance production to have a relentless cycle. >> sometimes you've got to have a little bit of time off. >> what do you think to this nofion >> what do you think to this notion then? let's pick sunday as the day. do you think we should try to get back to a situation where we essentially have a day of rest, where things, relax, close? >> i think i think that ship has sailed. i don't think history shows that things regress in that way. again though, let me

be clear. we already have saturdays and sundays. the vast majority of working people in this country do have those days off, but there are people like, for example, my own parents, you know, to put me through school. both of them worked , you know, both of them worked, you know, sometimes six, seven days a week. and again, i'm very grateful for them that they did that. i know across this country there are people who do that. that's not for everybody. some people want to be gig workers, some some people want part time work. again, my view is government should stay out of those decisions. those are ultimately conversations between employers and employees. >> i don't know so much . i have >> i don't know so much. i have a question mark in my mind about how honest keir starmer actually is. because you can or one can kind of just dismiss this friday 6:00 thing and just be like, oh , 6:00 thing and just be like, oh, whatever. or, you know, high five. let's all have more work time. but he said, you know, he 6:00 on a friday and he's been doing this for years . i quote doing this for years. i quote everybody, i will not do a work related thing after 6:00 pretty well, come what may. there are a

few exceptions, but that's what we do. but let me remind everybody of this footage that perhaps some of you might be familiar with. do you remember this ? remember this hashtag this? remember this hashtag beergate. because this footage was filmed through the window. do you remember? it was about the time when everyone was kicking off about partygate. this was in durham, where keir starmer was , filmed through the starmer was, filmed through the window having beer. he reckoned that was a work meeting and therefore no rules were broken and so on and so forth. but get this, everybody, that was the 30th of april 2021. what day was it , everybody? friday. what time it, everybody? friday. what time was it ? everybody? 9 pm. so was it? everybody? 9 pm. so then it makes me feel a little bit. there's something here that's not stacking up for me. >> yeah. well there's two issues going on there, michelle, before you get too deeply suspicious of all this, the first is durham is away from home. this is durham, i believe he lives of fish. >> he's just said he doesn't

work on a friday night. look, the whole point of him not working after six is that that's the time he goes home and actually has a meal with his family. >> that's his. absolutely. >> that's his. absolutely. >> he says i will not do a work related thing after 6:00. pretty much. come what may. but when he was trying to get off the hook, when people were accusing him of potentially breaching rules , he potentially breaching rules, he was rock solid, adamant that that was a work event. yeah, both things can't be true . yeah. both things can't be true. yeah. look, one hand tell everyone that you don't work after 6:00 on a friday and then simultaneously be insisting to the nation that that was a work event at 9:00 on a friday night. >> yeah. i mean, look, the reality is there are of all of the things to take issue with, with keir starmer. i think sir keir starmer's policies would be extremely bad for britain. and this is a man who is 180 on pretty much every major policy in the last four years and has said the only reason he supported jeremy corbyn was because he knew he was going to lose. so i think that point about integrity and what keir starmer actually stands for, i think that is actually the salient point here. yeah.

>> and that is that is what is going around in my head because whoever gets elected, whoever becomes the prime minister, i think people have had enough now of being messed around, being disregarded , disrespected by the disregarded, disrespected by the political elite. they want people with integrity that mean what they say and say what they mean, and that there's no confusion or, you know, conflict. >> let me restate, michel. if you're really going to insist on this, i am or i think you missed. so, you know, i've as i said, i've also i also don't work on friday nights and i don't work on on saturdays. but when i'm out out of town, when i'm, you know, mame kissed a buyer from out of town. and that kiss burns chicago down. you know, when i'm out of town on work, i do work on fridays, on friday nights. so i think it says when i'm back in number 10 andifs says when i'm back in number 10 and it's friday, on the whole, i'm going to be going home at six. i don't think it's a big deal >> what do you think to it? am i making a big deal of it? anyone that's got my, concerns, shall we say ? are we just barking up

we say? are we just barking up the wrong tree? there's another thing as well that caught my eye that, zacchaeus seems to be flip flopping around on this whole what i would call the woman's issue about , if what i would call the woman's issue about, if you're an individual like me who happens to believe in the reality of biological sex, i don't believe that a man can just chuck a dress on, give himself a different pronouns, and then live life as a woman that doesn't wash with me. and starmer's position on this has flip flopped all over the place. >> yeah. were you talking to me here, michel? and you know what my view is on this, you know dirt. okay, so my man is not a man, you know, that summarises my view on this. i don't have any time for any of that. and you know , there. but i think you know, there. but i think he's come on the whole right now to say, yeah, there's a man and a woman. they are distinct things and they and they shouldn't. it doesn't wash with you that they shouldn't have a washroom pooping all over the place. >> and it's all about trying to get votes in these last kind of 48 hours or so. shore up as many votes as, you know, labour. >> labour is not michel at this

moment. you know, hunting down every single vote. we're doing very well. i think we've got to a position now that's at last sensible. there's been a big, big argument about this within the party. but right now we've come out in favour of there is a distinction between a man and woman. >> i disagree. if you look at some of the radio shows that his shadow cabinet have done, i mean, there's some of the most extraordinary, excruciating minutes of radio to listen to as nick ferrari sort of asks about which bathroom somebody needs to use it. really, really basic questions that, frankly, anyone with integrity should be able to answer very quickly. and i would put it to you that you would answer extremely quickly. so i think, again, as michelle said, what this comes down to is integrity is what do you actually believe in? if you can't talk about these things candidly and frankly, if you can't have conviction about something as basic as biological sex, it really it's very difficult to see how you can expect a sensible form of government once labour are in power. >> yeah, integrity matters to me and i know it matters to a lot

of you at home. and this simple issue about men being allowed into women only single—sex spaces.i into women only single—sex spaces. i know that's a massive one for you. keir starmer has now said when asked whether or not biological males with gender recognition certificates. do they have the right to enter women only spaces? a simple yes or no. keir starmer apparently said no, they don't have that right. they shouldn't. that's why i've always said that biological women spaces need to be protected. come off it. keir starmer . you're flip flopping starmer. you're flip flopping around like, i don't know what. and you're quite right. it isn't just him. it wasn't that long ago that david lammy was trying to convince us all that a man could actually grow a cervix. i mean, goodness gracious me , mean, goodness gracious me, everybody, let's talk after the break, shall we? about the goings on, though, in the in the reform camp, because now we've had a second reform uk candidate defect to the tories. what do you reckon that means? if anything, the reform uk campaign . see you in

hi there . michelle dewberry with hi there. michelle dewberry with you until 7:00 tonight. alongside with the entrepreneur and reform uk donor, zia yusuf. and the labour peer, lord morris glassman. you'll all be pleased to know, because so many of you wrote in and said, please, can you tell lord glassman to stop swinging in his chair? i've told you, haven't i? >> you've told me he's promised not to do it again. >> and if he does do it again, i've told him i'm going to superglue his feet to the floor. so there you go. don't say we don't listen to the viewers here on gb news. look, let's talk reform uk, shall we? because a second candidate now has defected to the conservatives, saying and i quote, the vast majority of party nominees are racist, misogynistic and bigoted. that's georgie david. she was standing in west ham and beckton, you know, i've got to say, in fact, actually, let me just look at, what nigel farage

actually responded because nigel farage has obviously issued a statement in response. in fact, actually , i'll come back to that actually, i'll come back to that in a second. let me ask you, firstly, because nigel is not sitting here, you are a donor to reform uk. what do you think to this ? this? >> i'm just really disappointed at the total lack of any sort of scrutiny or deductive capability that most media seem to have about this claim. so if you just look at it objectively, this is somebody who was a tory, came over and said , you know, they over and said, you know, they want to run for reform and were selected this person has claimed, and i'm quoting the candidate that , quote, the vast candidate that, quote, the vast majority of reform candidates are these slurs, if you just assess that claim on its objectively on its merits, reform have 611 candidates. this person has been supposedly campaigning in a constituency as of those other 611. candidates in constituencies across the country. nominations closed on june the 7th, which means that

it's been 25 days, the vast majority of 611, let's call it 500. so in order to make such a serious allegation and slur against that many people, she would have needed to meet them. obviously, that would have meant she would have needed to meet 20 of those candidates every single day. and again, that is just objective reasoning of that statement. that is obviously impossible. and so the fact that these disclaimers have been plastered all over the top of the bbc website, news website all day today, been really all over the media without any form of scrutiny. i mean, it's just absurd on its face, and i mean, she's basically saying, that she doesn't actually think that the management, the senior people within the parties are the things that she's just mentioned. but she also then went on to say that she doesn't think that the likes of nigel farage has taken it seriously. so let's just have a little look at the statement put out in response from reform uk, they say the following. i'll directly quote we strongly disagree with her sweeping statements about

the vast majority of our 600 plus candidates. the vast majority , of whom she can never majority, of whom she can never even have met. and we found it sad and strange that she chose not to bring up any of our concerns with the party leadership before publicly trashing so many of her blameless colleagues who are giving their all to get reform. uk elected. so what do you think's going on then? >> well, look, i mean, you can draw your own conclusions. i don't even think i need to comment. it's really clear that look at the timing of this, as i said, to make such serious allegations about so many people. by the way, i've had so many conversations in the last few weeks with reform candidates. i've been universally actually really impressed with them. those words, they are the opposite of those things. so i think , those things. so i think, frankly, it's, it's quite clear that there's some kind of ulterior motive at play. >> well, let's have a look. what rishi sunak has had to say, because of course he was quick off the blocks as well. listen these candidates who are coming over to conservatives. >> no. is that a vote for reform is just a vote to put keir starmer in number 10. and if you want your taxes cut, if you want your pension protected and if

your pension protected and if you want our border secure, the only way to deliver that is to for vote conservative candidates. you know, what we have seen is candidates and campaigners openly espousing racist and misogynistic views, seemingly without challenge. and that tells you something about the culture within the reform party. overall, that's questions for nigel farage. >> i'll come back to you in a second because i want to ask about that statement there. where essentially a vote for reform is essentially a for vote laboun reform is essentially a for vote labour. but before i do that, your thoughts on it all? >> oh, my thoughts though. if somebody at this moment in time defects from reform to the conservative party, you got to question their judgement and their sanity. i mean, we're going to see the slaughter of the conservative party on thursday. it's a party without a future. as a party that's in a complete mess. and my issue is they are much more is why reform isn't doing better as an insurgent party. if what you say about labour is true, that it's superficial and it's doesn't generate enthusiasm and starmer

can't be trusted, why aren't you doing better ? doing better? >> because reform in the grand scheme of the labour party and the conservative party have been around in the blink of an eye. and i actually think the momentum, the trajectory and momentum, the trajectory and momentum of reform support has been nothing short of actually, i would say unprecedented. >> well, there was the brexit party in 2019. there was the euro elections , before that. but euro elections, before that. but i remember the brexit party as a real force. i mean a real force. >> well , real force. i mean a real force. >> well, nigel farage only, what, three weeks ago wasn't evenin what, three weeks ago wasn't even in the fray, you know, since he's returned. so reform are polling at 4% in october 2022. they're now , whatever, 15, 2022. they're now, whatever, 15, 20% depending on the poll, so almost a fifth of the country, the enthusiasm that this party has, the rally in the rally for reform at the nec in birmingham, i mean, 5000 tickets sold in the space of three days. i defy any political party or political leader in the united kingdom to be able to do that. i don't think, honestly, sir keir starmer would be able to do that with three months notice. so we

have the generational talent in the form of, nigel farage as a leader. we have huge momentum. they are the really important point to be, to be made is just how little infrastructure reform currently has. you know, they don't have this big ground game that the conservatives, labour and also the lib dems have. they don't have the local reputation of the mps and candidates that the lib dems obviously very strong in. if you look at what they could do with those factors. and by the way, that is exactly what is coming. make no mistake, post—election day, i think what reform are setting set up to do now is very much what if you look at the numbers for le pen, she's gone from 18 to 36. again, reform a very different path. nigel farage by no means marine le pen, but i just want to be clear. the if you look at what le pen has done from an electoral perspective, 18 to 36% in the space of two years, i think over the next over this period of government, we're going to be able to charter a course to install nigel farage as prime minister in 2029. >> what are you expecting them to be out then? if you don't think 15 to 20, let's split the

difference 17.5. if you don't think that's good, what would you expect to see them out? >> well, i would be expecting, reform. actually, it's not really. it's affecting the conservative vote a great deal, but it's not really digging into the labour vote at all. i mean, i'm just looking at what we're finding. so i mean, i would be expecting a reform to get 20 mps, but they're not going to , mps, but they're not going to, well, look, the number of seats that's very difficult to assess because of our first past. >> i'm just making that prediction. >> you probably will get two. >> you probably will get two. >> yeah, but hang on. but what is that a result of? is it because there's a lot not enough appetite for reform? or is that because of a political system that we have in this country? because there's two different things. >> it's a combination of a combination of both. but as a system we've got and i just don't feel the energy of that insurgency. >> i could not i could not agree more. and anyone who was at that rally again on sunday, which i think is a very good litmus test, and we've seen in america how that has been a very good

litmus test and predictor of turnout and of momentum generally. the number of people who have reached out to me, by the way, including privately, including people i've never have guessed in sort of form of friends, of friends of mine, for example, who have said, i support reform, which i wouldn't have guessed, and obviously an enormous number of people whom i don't know reaching out to say, what reform are doing is giving us hope. and i think that that's why the message is resonating so much. >> do you think you're going to replace the conservatives as as the force on the right? >> well, look, this country needs a proper centre right party. the conservatives stop being that a very long time ago. and so what reform are going to be focused on is maximising the outcome on this election, getting a beachhead in parliament. but make no mistake, this is just the beginning. we are laser focused on building out that infrastructure , out that infrastructure, building up our resources and making nigel farage prime minister in 2029. >> this was such a strange country. michelle all over europe, everything's swinging to the right and britain centre left. i would actually disagree with that statement, only because the conservative party have not governed as a right

wing party. >> and so actually the point about labour, which is well accepted, you know, i think clearly it's sir keir starmer is going to be the prime minister but that isn't because the country has been massively convinced about his policies. it's because there's been going to be a total repudiation of the conservative party, the traditional conservative voters have been utterly betrayed, utterly betrayed . that's the utterly betrayed. that's the word that comes up a lot. and betrayal is a very, very powerful if you consider yourself a conservative. i'm a my political views are centre right, and i think the conservative party, i don't know what that means. >> are you a conservative? >> are you a conservative? >> i'm a conservative with a simple c, with a small c, yes, yes, so am i. >> but i mean, do you do you believe in tradition and the preservation of traditional ways of life and those sorts of things? well it depends. oh, are you a market guy? it depends on. are you a liberal? really? >> i think the reality is we are we are in the 21st century, right? the world is changing very, very quickly, the idea that we can just bring back the 19505 that we can just bring back the 1950s is fanciful. however

however, what reform does stand for are values, right? and values are timeless, you know? and the british values that i feel extremely passionately about that need to be defended. freedom of speech, freedom of religion, equality before the law. these are things. actually, i would argue that, labour are going to put at risk. i think the conservatives have just governed totally , incompetently governed totally, incompetently betrayed all those values that we care so deeply about. so we need a proper conservative with a simple c party in this country. we need a proper centre right party in this country. and thatis right party in this country. and that is what reform are offering. >> and when you say that, you thought that would perhaps be doing better, i find it absolutely staggering what i would perceive to be bias around the media reporting when it comes to the way that reform uk is treated, reported on versus other parties, like for example, i we're all be familiar with the fact that channel 4 news went undercover to canvass with reform uk. did they go undercover to canvass with any other party? no, not that i've

seen. perhaps i've missed it. i don't think i did miss it. you know, i'm not going to mention the constituency. otherwise i'll be here all day reading out the candidate list. but there's one particular labour candidate in a very high profile seat, who turned around and said, and i directly quote, his favourite dnnkis directly quote, his favourite drink is white men's tears, and that he says that he's standing for black and brown people, and he is actually still the candidate. >> to be clear. >> and if that was anybody on the reform uk side of the fence, all hell would have broken loose. but because it's on the labour side of the fence, people completely ignore it. you've got people trawling back decades through people that have put their head above the parapet to stand for reform uk. i do not see that same level of scrutiny for the other candidates. to me , for the other candidates. to me, there's a smell of desperation from many in the media and beyond. actually, when it comes to trying to diminish and undermine and tarnish reform uk and i would argue i would put it

to you that if reform uk, you said that you don't feel a sense of energy about them. well, if there wasn't a sense of energy, if there wasn't this looming threat, people wouldn't be investing that amount of time trying to discredit them. >> yeah, well, we're going to get on to the media, aren't we? and whether newspapers matter at the further point in the programme, i don't think , you programme, i don't think, you know, just spoiler alert. i don't think they do matter. that much. i think the people make their own minds up. what i'm saying more is that i'm very alert to the space that you wish to fill, and i think that there is a space to fill. there is a disillusionment with mainstream politics and people looking. i just don't know if you offer that vision . that vision. >> well, i can tell you now when it comes to election day, the person that will decide who bnngs person that will decide who brings what vision is you guys, when you get into your voting booths with you, put your cross. do you know where you're going to put it yet, are things still changing your mind or not? what do you make to it all, lots of you are getting in touch saying, can you stop repeating this myth

that a vote for reform is a vote for labour? many people are saying if they vote reform, they are doing it because they want to vote for reform. >> can i just make the point very quickly so that if you actually look at the betting markets now, the betting markets have it more likely that reform will form a government than conservatives. to be clear . and conservatives. to be clear. and the betting markets, i think, are a much better assessor of this. >> but that's just a comment about the conservatives have no chance. >> well, look, rules are rules. and i did just mention one of the candidates, for west ham and beckton. strap yourselves in. because now i've got to tell you all the rest of them. are you ready? emily bigland from the lib dems, lois austin from trade unionist and socialist coalition. holly. alice ramsay from the tories. georgie david, as we've just been discussing on the ballot as reform uk , james the ballot as reform uk, james edward asare from the labour party, rob colander from the green party, sophie naqvi from the newham independence party , the newham independence party, coyote shida wu from christian people's alliance . there you go. people's alliance. there you go. coming up after the break, a new

poll is out saying that 1 in 7 young black and asian britons are apparently going to ditch the uk due to government failings. and you guessed it, racism. and of course, economic worries. what do you think to all of that? i'll see you in

hello, everybody. i'm michelle dewberry and i'm with you until 7:00 tonight. alongside with my panel remain. we've got the entrepreneur and reform uk dan azeez yousef and the labour peen azeez yousef and the labour peer, lord morris glassman, lots of conversation there. i'm really interested to know your thoughts on that. there's really mixed, views in terms of what you think is going on when it comes to the defections. i'm particularly interested to hear your opinions. in terms of the media coverage, do you think that all parties have been subjected to the same scrutiny,

or do you suspect, as i do, that there's perhaps a little bit of bias going on, to put that mildly. give me your thoughts on that. look, 1 in 7 young black and asian britons apparently are planning to ditch the uk due to government failings, racism and economic worries . of course, economic worries. of course, many people then are flagging and saying what on earth if that happened, would that have as an impact on the economy? what do you make of it all? so yeah, well, look, i don't know why there's this obsession about people's skin colour. >> i don't know why this research had to be about ethnic minorities, for example. i actually think if you actually look into the detail of the study and the survey, the concerns that these young people are raising are actually universal amongst young people. and i deeply sympathise with them. you know, they bring up cost of living, completely understandable. they bring up the total lack of affordable housing. almost a third of our young adults under 30 years old still live at home with their parents. not only is buying a home a pipe dream, they can't even rent anymore. and this

problem is not getting better. it is getting worse. they talk about health care. you know, 19,000 people had to wait three days in accident and emergency last year in this country. so i totally understand the anxieties that these young people have. i do genuinely think that they are being betrayed. they're just being betrayed. they're just being robbed of a fair opportunity. people like to label our young people as entitled and all this stuff, they're just being they have no opportunity. they simply are not being given the same fair chance that older generations were given. so i don't think it's actually got anything to do with or let me put it this way, if you included white people in there, which i think they should have done, you would have received you would have gotten a very, very similar result. this sense of despondency. and again, that's what reform are offering young people. it is offering them hope. >> and it just seems to be quite popular among the young. but what do you make to this survey? well, we see a mass exodus. do you reckon? >> oh no. no chance. and i completely agree with what you just said. but we've got to talk about our country. i mean, in europe, which is swinging madly. right. | europe, which is swinging madly. right. i mean, this is the least racist country in europe that this country is a marvel when it

comes to accepting people and doing the right thing by them. and i've heard this all my life. oh, you know, if the conservatives win, we leave the country. if labour wins, we win. now, i don't take this seriously at all, but you say you said that. >> where? absolutely. essentially not a racist country, which i agree with, by the way. >> oh, we found, we found, we found something. michelle, this is well done, but then one of the challenges, and when one of the, issues that many people have in society is that when you're white, you're essentially often made to feel like , often made to feel like, essentially, you're like the devil. you've constantly got it smacked over your head that you're languishing in this bath of white privilege, that you somehow have to repeatedly say sorry for the horrendous acts of your ancestors from god knows how many hundreds of years ago that you've never even met, probably know absolutely nothing about, and that you're constantly having to apologise

over and over again. i mean, 19% of the people in this survey say that racial inequality is a factor in what they feel. so, i mean, for some people, obviously, this is still an issue, but i do know that many white people will say that they feel a little bit fed up of being battered over the head and bashed over the head because they've got the audacity to have white skin. >> yeah, well, i don't know what circles you mix in, but you know, that's not you know, that's a very guardian kind of channel 4 kind of way of looking at it. i thought it was on gmb news where you had a more open discussion. >> what's a guardian way of looking at it. >> oh, you know, white colonial guilt and all of that. i'm just i'm just saying that we've got to look at the incredible thing about our country which which is which is that there is an incredible degree of acceptance of each other and civic peace in our country . our country. >> but why isn't that not more celebrated then? well, celebrated then? well, celebrated now? well, there's identitarians celebrate, but i've got my microphone and i

work well. >> there are identitarians who do, love to slice and dice people and young people are, frankly, in many cases, being indoctrinated with this idea that, you know, because you have a certain colour of skin, you're an oppressor. and if you have a different colour of skin, you're oppressed. and if you tell people that at a young age, then that inevitably some of them will start to believe it. now, the good news is, i do think young people are starting to rebel against that. i see, for example, if you look at what reform have been saying, we believe in being colour—blind. we believe in the beliefs of martin luther king. for example, judge people not by the colour of their skin, but by the content of their character. and if you look at what's happening in example with young men, young men, i think reform are now, are leading and i think they're second with young women. so the good news is, i think young people are starting to wake up and rebel against this, but i think it's a very insidious and dangerous thing to slice and dice our young people by their by their skin colour. and it is happening. people are being indoctrinated. they certainly are. >> what do you think to it at

home? get in touch and let me know your thoughts. i want to ask you then about the media, because we've seen the sunday times. they came out of the weekend and they endorsed the labour party for the first time since 2005. did you read their column on it? i can tell you now. it was pretty damn really quite damning, actually, but do you think actually any of this means anything now? does it matter? it used to make or break elections. some would say, what say you?

hello there. i'm michelle dewberry, and i'm with you until 7:00 tonight. my panel remain alongside me, z youssef and lord glassman. now, let's talk about the media, shall we? because lots used to be made of the endorsements of newspapers. which way were they going to lean? you might remember headunes lean? you might remember headlines from the likes of the sun coming out and saying it was

the sun wot won it, so on and so forth. and interestingly, at the weekend, the sunday times, they endorsed the labour party. lots of people talking about who the sun perhaps will go with this yeah sun perhaps will go with this year. let me ask you this though. do you think all of this matters as much as it perhaps once did? i mean, we live in this digital age. tick tock. social media, so on and so forth. your thoughts? >> yeah, i think you're right. i mean, you said earlier that our newspapers were the paper they're printed on. i said that i would say that they're they're not even worth the paper. they're not printed on at the moment. you know, because most people read online, there's a much more diverse and, and, and segregated almost media. so newspapers have also declined in their, in their quality and their, in their quality and their coherence. so i think they matter a huge amount less . matter a huge amount less. >> do they matter to you? so as someone who wants to make a financial contribution or donation, whatever you call it, to a political party, you will sit there and think, right, which party is most aligned with

me, blah, blah blah. so when you see, for example, the financial times, they endorsed labour, sunday times, we just spoke about that labour as well, guardian, labour, so on. and so forth. does that bother you or not? >> no, it's not not a factor in my decision making at all. look, i think it might be of some interest and intrigue to the commentariat in politics. i can't think of a single person i've spoken to over the last few years who, frankly, would even be if you asked a quick straw poll right now of the general pubuc poll right now of the general public and asked them to tell to get to say which of these papers had endorsed which party. i think you'd struggle to be able to get any of them to do that. and to that point about social media, you know, one of the things that i think is an under talked about phenomenon in this election, this is the first major british election during which elon musk owns x, formerly known as twitter. and we have seen in america, somebody pays quite close attention to american politics. this has been a very important factor because obviously, look, the media have an important role to play. and i and i hope they can play a

better role in the future than they have thus far. however, obviously there's a lot of independent journalists out there. there's a lot of people in the general public actually being able to upload things and share opinions. so when there are, media reports that are patently biased, they are actually able to be corrected. and the real story being getting out there much more effectively without the kind of censorious attitude that you had with the old twitter management . so it old twitter management. so it has been a clear and decisive factor in why, for example, the betting markets now have donald trump as overwhelming favourite for the presidential election. i think it is going to be helpful again for the centre right here as well, that before the elon musk taking over, x has given labour a better opportunity of winning. >> but i think that's right. >> but i think that's right. >> well, i had my account restricted on x i would say for about a year to get in touch recently. yeah recently i've only just got it undone again, i wonder how much whether or not social media plays a role in terms of. because the whole amount of this is what will people think of me if i vote

this way? if i vote that way, you know, do i need to vote a certain way because all my mates are voting that way. whatever party that is. and i just wonder when you look at social media and everyone's got these hashtags, hashtag tory out or they've got hashtag labour, whatever, or hashtag reform, and it's like they're trying to very publicly declare, i'm in this gang. and i just wonder if you think that's a helpful or a hindrance . hindrance. >> well, probably, you know, i don't like it. i've never tweeted in my life. i think that the whole twitter world is a kind of cesspit of narcissistic hate. and michelle, you've been on the receiving end of that. so you know what i, what i'm talking about. but also there's youtube and what i find is , i youtube and what i find is, i mean, with my children, for example, they look at quite a lot of documentaries on youtube and that sort of stuff. >> do you make to it? how much time do you spend on social media and when you see stuff, how much is that influencing your potential when it comes to changing your mind? i'm really

interested as to whether or not your minds are absolutely, resolutely made up or whether or not you're still there for the taking. are you still undecided , taking. are you still undecided, ripe for the picking from whoever it is that can catch your attention? anyway? look, i've enjoyed your company tonight, and gentlemen, yours too, don't go anywhere , though, too, don't go anywhere, though, because, of course, up next, it's camilla tominey. the award winner. but that's all from me. and i will see you tomorrow night. good night. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar, sponsors of weather on gb news . news. >> good evening. i'm here with your gb news, weather forecast brought to you by the met office. it's not feeling all that much like july at the moment. yes, there has been some sunshine around today, but temperatures have actually been around a little bit below average for the time of year, and it is going to turn increasingly cloudy and wet as we go through tonight because of a system that's pushing its way southwards. yes, there may be

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