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and favour house in number 11 downing street and also include the grace and favour mansion dorneywood in buckinghamshire . dorneywood in buckinghamshire. very nice it is to dorneywood. not that i've been invited, not that i've been invited. and i certainly won't get invited under rachel reeves, that's for sure. the new chancellor, who will be in power in place very soon. so here we are , andrew soon. so here we are, andrew pierce and bev turner, britain's newsroom on this historic day. welcome to a brave new dawn , babe. >> it really is, isn't it.7 it feels like, you know, we had a six week election campaign. this wasn't a huge surprise. we've got between now and midday to explain to you all the twists and turns of the last 12 hours. well, last 24 hours, in fact. see who the big beasts are who actually lost their seats. penny mordaunt is gone. grant shapps is gone. gillian keegan is gone. gillian keegan didn't take that defeat particularly well. she did not, did she, during the night, >> don't forget liz truss, the former prime minister. that is, to me, the michael portillo
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moment . remember when where were moment. remember when where were you when michael portillo lost his seat in 1997.7 well, i think liz truss will be the big mate for many people. the former prime minister. and he lost her seat by a couple of hundred votes, nigel farage winning his seat last night, richard tice for mps seat for reform as well . for mps seat for reform as well. >> so a big night for them, i guess. >> so a big night for them, i guess . and nigel will say, you guess. and nigel will say, you know, this is a start of our full 4 or 5 year plan, ten year plan, in fact. so they will be pleased with that result. the exit polls last night initially said that reform might have won as many as 13 seats. yeah, it didn't come to pass in the end. >> the other the point about the share of the vote, though, is very significant. if they've got under 34, that is the lowest figure for a majority government in modern british history. for 34. it is astonishingly low that it shows. again, there isn't that great enthusiasm for keir starmer as prime minister. it was an anti—conservative party vote. people were fed up with the tories. they'd been in power for 14 years and it was time for
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a change, and i don't think people were listening to anything, rishi sunak said. and of course he did make some grievous mistakes during the campaign, not least walking away from the d—day commemorations very early. and of course , if very early. and of course, if you add up reform share of the vote, 15% with the tories, 22, you combine those. they had a higher share of the vote than laboun >> absolutely. what will be interesting as well is to see those seats. we will look at this in a bit of granular detail at this morning. how many seats that would have possibly gone to.7 the conservatives had a big chunk taken out of their right flank by the reform party. >> well, i think i think jacob rees—mogg will say he lost his seat because reform stood absolutely arch—brexiteer lost his seat and a number of mps lost their seats because of reform. but nigel farage said theyit reform. but nigel farage said they it was no longer the tory party that he knew, and he got an enormous majority in clacton. >> nigel farage, about 20,000 votes, i think compared to the conservatives, it was about 11,000, i believe . so huge 11,000, i believe. so huge morning here. let us know your
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thoughts. this morning . thoughts. this morning. gbnews.com/yoursay we will be with you of course, until midday. we've got judith da silva here with us this morning. good morning judith. i was on gb news with you yesterday evening and obviously a lot has happened dunng and obviously a lot has happened during that period of time. just your your broad assessment really of the result this morning. how do you think the country feels waking up to this new prime minister in sir keir starmer, a labour government with a huge majority of 411 mps, they now have . is it jubilation they now have. is it jubilation or just we're they now have. is it jubilation orjust we're glad they now have. is it jubilation or just we're glad there they now have. is it jubilation orjust we're glad there might or just we're glad there might be a possible change? >> i think it isn't definitely isn't jubilation. i think what it is, it's cautious, apprehensive and also hopeful because change has happened. or will this change be effective when it comes to actually delivering on the things each person needs? because again, keir starmer isn't popular, but he's been helped by the fact that the conservatives are so
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unpopular now he has to actually prove who he is as a leader. because when you look at the trajectory of his rise to power , trajectory of his rise to power, when he wanted to lead the labour party, he played to the left. when he wanted to lead the country, he played to the centre. people need to know who he is effectively as a leader now, and that will show through action and policy and then they can actually really get behind him and his version of the labour party, scarlett mccgwire also, good morning scarlett, >> here with us. you must be jubilant this morning. >> i'm happy, i'm not jubilant and i'm not triumphant because i think i think you're absolutely right. i think it's going to be. it's going to be very, very tough, they're going to their labour are coming in with, terrible economic situation, which they do have to which they have to sort out and really bad pubuc have to sort out and really bad public services, which again, they have to sort out. it's going to be very, very tough. and, what we got to do is much more important than, than anything is to rebuild the trust
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in politics, because that's what i think is about how few people the low turnout was actually about. we don't trust any of them . and what we've got to them. and what we've got to prove is that labour can be trusted and that they will they will do what they say they do. they will they will do what they say in their manifesto. and actually, that is that is what everybody in the at the top of the labour party really believes is, is that that's the only way to get power because like everybody i mean boris was the same. keir starmer says he needs he needs a second victory. >> he i don't i don't i don't want to take anything away, any credit away from keir starmer. he's led the party to an historic landslide victory . but historic landslide victory. but the, the percentage of the vote he's got is pretty low. it's astonishing. look, there is there is no great passion for him. he won because the tories were were fed up with the tories. yeah. >> but they also i mean part of the labour strategy. and actually i mean pollsters have
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been , have been talking about been, have been talking about this for months about, if you see it in the by—election, part of the labour strategy was instead of what they used to do, which was to pile up votes in, in safe seats , is they took all in safe seats, is they took all their people out of the unwinnable the safes and they put them into winning, winning oven put them into winning, winning over. so it was always going to be like that. but i make no secret i've just said i think the british people are fed up with politicians. they don't trust them. and actually and i don't blame them. and that that is the problem is and what people say , and particularly the people say, and particularly the youngis people say, and particularly the young is they're all the same. and what labour has to prove is they're not is we are different. we will deliver on our manifesto . we will deliver on our manifesto. >> okay, craig mckinley is with us as well. we're going to come to you in just a minute. craig, we've got christopher hope, though, who's been up all night and is now on a very drizzly downing street, good morning,
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chris. good morning. let's presume that people are turning andrew, let's, let's let's presume people are tuning in for the first time this morning. maybe they stayed up late watching some of the results come in. what are the headlines overnight as we wake up now? 937 on the 5th of july. >> the headlines are that rishi sunak's gamble to have an election six months before he had to have the election in the rain on the 20th or 22nd of may, has completely backfired . labour has completely backfired. labour has completely backfired. labour has won a landslide majority of 170 mp5. we has won a landslide majority of 170 mps. we think when the final tally comes up, we see that the tories are down to, 100, 100 and well below 150, lib dems on 71 reform uk four mps, including that guy nigel farage. yes, that man again at the eighth time of trying is now, an mp along with richard tice, rupert lowe, and lee anderson of course. so for a bndgehead lee anderson of course. so for a bridgehead has been established
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by nigel farage in parliament, the one he wanted and now the battle for the heart of what, being a right wing politician in this country means, is that moderate tory or someone to the right where nigel farage is. but for sir keir starmer shortly to be made prime minister, he'll be making a speech on the steps of number 10 around 12:20 and then announced his cabinet all afternoon and we are expecting the entire cabinet to be appointed by the close of play for rishi sunak. he's due to make a speech behind me on the steps of downing street around 1030. he is then driven in a government car to buckingham palace. he meets the king, quits as prime minister and is driven away in his own car. private car, now a tory backbencher once again, no longer the prime minister so a lot to happen here under the grey skies of downing street. but it has just stopped raining, which might mean we hear all the action outside downing street rather than inside in the briefing room . inside in the briefing room. >> all right, that's christopher
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hope outside downing street. chris boat, before we let you 90, chris boat, before we let you go, do any what's your instinct about the prime minister? do you think he will carry on as interim leader for some weeks or even months to allow a more orderly lead tory leadership election? or is the betting that he's going to go very quickly, which is what david cameron did, of course, after the referendum. >> the answer is, i don't know . >> the answer is, i don't know. now, if you look back at 2005, andrew, when michael howard hung around till the till the autumn party conference and allowed that run off between david cameron and david davis that we remember so well and that allowed the party to think, what kind of leader does it want to have by acting in haste? you have by acting in haste? you have a hurried leadership campaign through through august to maybe an announcement in september. that may mean that not necessarily the right leader is chosen. so there'll be pressure on him, i think, from the party to slow it down. take your time. but he may wonder why he bothers. i mean, what i still, i wonder and he hasn't
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really asked the question, why does he have this? why does he have the early election? why didn't he wait until the autumn given more time to try and convince voters that this party cash has changed and can deliver? instead, you know, the ashes of a party remain. it's been torched completely by the electorate, although low turnout. quite interesting, but really a real problem, i've got to say. also, by the way, there's an emerging story, i think, on reform uk and the lib dems. look at those numbers. over 4 million people voted for reform uk. they got four mps, 3.5 million people voted for lib dems, they got 71 mps. how is that fair? many people will be asking this morning. >> all right. that's that's chris hope. our political edhon chris hope. our political editor. but there's absolutely no way a labour prime minister with the biggest majority since 1997 is even going to contemplate changing their voting system, which has done him just fine. >> well, let's bring in craig mckinley on that. there will be people waking up this morning who just say, for the first
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time, they're kind of aware of what that means, that system and what that means, that system and what that means, that system and what that tells us about our democracy does it need to change? >> well, it generally works . i >> well, it generally works. i mean, we've had multiple elections in this country. we always do. and the system tends to work. it tends to do the right thing. and i've always been an advocate of first past the post. it's clearer results. you've got a linkage between your mp and your constituents, and it tends to produce clear results and fair ones . you could results and fair ones. you could argue that this is a very odd result. i think , scarlett said. result. i think, scarlett said. you know, the turnout was very low. it was a very low energy campaign. i went on the streets a bit and we were the limitations that i have, and there was very little enthusiasm on the streets, people walking by saying, oh, i just can't be bothered, just can't be bothered. oh. i'm not voting or i might do this, but there was no it wasn't like 2019. 2019 was an exciting election. there was, you know , get brexit done. there you know, get brexit done. there was a clear message. i mean, the message we got from labour is change. and i just don't know what that means. and there could be a lot of very disappointed
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people over the next few years. and what is bizarre in the call, the red wall, it's gone back to red wall is a lot of those seats voted very heavily for leave, very heavily for leave. and they and reform did quite well in a lot of those seats, but sir keir starmer, let's not forget he voted so many times and organised rebellions and tried to get hold of the order paper dunng to get hold of the order paper during those brexit war years. we wanted a second referendum, second referendum, all of that. any any procedure and device aided and abetted by john bercow at the time to try and overturn that result in these seats that he's now returned with thumping majorities. so i think what what it does teach us is the old days when people were stuck with their old voting methods. i mean, i've knocked on doors in you know, in what you'd call old traditional mining towns , and traditional mining towns, and you get that message of, we've always voted labour. my mum and dad voted labour, we vote laboun dad voted labour, we vote labour. i think that link has gone. when you think in four and a half short years we've gone from pretty hefty 80 seat majority to going completely the
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other way in such a short time. it means people are moving and they will continue to. >> i hate to interrupt you. we have got the deputy leader of the liberal democrats, daisy coopen the liberal democrats, daisy cooper, to talk to us now, liberal democrats winning 71 seats with 12% of the vote. good morning daisy. you must be delighted . delighted. >> we are delighted. look, we feel incredibly humbled that so many people have put their trust and faith in us. but we are excited because these are record breaking results for the liberal democrats. we said throughout the entire campaign that our number one priority, we're saving our nhs and social care systems as well as tackling the cost of living crisis and protecting our local environment. and we want people right across the country to know that those will be our top three priorities as we go into the next parliament, starting with our calls for an emergency health and social care budget so we can get our health and care services back on their feet. >> i was going to say, daisy, i think i saw you in the this
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first debate, which was the seven way debate, and we came on air, the next morning and i said, you were the liberal democrats secret weapon. and frankly, i wasn't sure why we hadnt frankly, i wasn't sure why we hadn't seen more of you as an articulate, strong minded woman determined to get your points across in a, you know, quite a difficult environment. some of those debates, what do you see your role as going to be now in this term? who are you going to hold to account and over what issues ? issues? >> well, that's in the hands of our party leader , ed davey. our party leader, ed davey. i mean, ed has had an absolutely stonking campaign. he's really lit up the campaign, i think not just with the fun of the stunts, but also with that incredibly raw and passionate video that was broadcast of his, you know, his lifelong experience as a family carer and his relationship with his disabled son. and i've really been struck, actually, by the number of men who have stopped me on the high street and in the pub to say to me, you know what? that really struck a chord. and
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when i watched it, i sat and sobbed because i care for disabled relative or a disabled child. and the fact is that ed has had a fantastic campaign . has had a fantastic campaign. he's going to lead us into this next parliament, and the rest of us will be absolutely delighted to work with him and serve him. however, he chooses. >> daisy, a lot of people tuning in now will think, gosh, nigel farage's reform party got 4 million votes and they've got four mps. the lib dems got 3.5 million votes and they've got 71 mps. how can that be fair? can the first pass the vote? can the first pass the vote first past the post system, continue? >> well, no, i mean, liberal democrats have campaigned against the first past the post system for decades and decades and decades. it is a broken system . it doesn't work for the system. it doesn't work for the voters. primarily. there are places around the country where people's votes simply don't count. people's votes simply don't count . you get safe seats where count. you get safe seats where mps don't really have to work very hard to win their jobs back, to win their seats back. and we think that is desperately unfair. so liberal democrats will continue to make the positive case to reform our voting system and have a fairer
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voting system and have a fairer voting system and have a fairer voting system in the future. okay. all right. >> daisy cooper , >> daisy cooper, congratulations. very good result for you. how was your own constituency? was your majority vastly improved ? vastly improved? >> my majority did go up and i was incredibly humbled by how many people voted for me this time around. i'm incredibly grateful and i can't wait to get back to work. >> and you're you're saint albans, aren't you, daisy? that's that's your constituency, there. what are the big issues you've got planning property. housing is a big issue, isn't it? in saint albans , housing is it? in saint albans, housing is a huge issue. >> in saint albans. we have a number of different issues. i mean, one of the big issues is that we have lots of one and two bed flats that people can't either afford to rent or to buy, because there's absolutely no regulations in place to allow local authorities to regulate airbnbs and short term lets. and that's something i campaigned for in the last parliament. i tabled an amendment to the levelling up bill, and unfortunately, michael gove and the conservatives didn't take it up. at the same time, we have a
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top down planning system that doesn't deliver the social homes that we need, but it does destroy the greenbelt. so liberal democrats set out our plan to scrap the developer led system where all the power is in the hands of the big developers who want to make profits, to and replace it with a community led system where local communities work together with their local representatives to build the homes that we really need in the right places. and crucially, with the right infrastructure as well. >> okay. all right. thank you so much, daisy. congratulations again. a good night for the liberal democrats. daisy cooper, their deputy leader of the liberal democrats. >> well we're going to go now to our gb news royal correspondent cameron walker who's outside buckingham palace. because of course, the king has a key role today. cameron what take us through what's going to happen at the palace this morning . at the palace this morning. >> yeah he absolutely does have a key role to play andrew. appointing a prime minister is one of the last remaining prerogative powers of the king. only he can do it now. he said at windsor last night. he's not currently in residence at
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buckingham palace, but we are expecting him very shortly to arrive here. of course, his timing was cut short because of hollywood week, but he's going to be back in london. rishi sunak, of course, has lost his majority. he can no longer command the confidence of the house of commons, so he will be coming to buckingham palace later this morning to tender his resignation to the king. the king is expected to accept that resignation when he does so. rishi sunak is expected to exit the palace via a back exit, perhaps to preserve his dignity. but we know, of course, the king needs a prime minister and sir keir starmer has won a huge majority for the labour party. he will then be summoned to buckingham palace. he will enter the forecourt behind me, where he will be greeted, we believe, by the king's principal private secretary, sir clive alderton, and an equerry, where he will be taken inside the palace to meet the king in a private audience. dufing the king in a private audience. during that audience, the king will invite sir keir starmer to form a government in his name and thus becoming prime minister the third prime minister of king charles's reign. but the first, the first following a general election. now sir keir starmer
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and the king know each other relatively well. they've been spotted mingling at a number of receptions. the king's private secretary actually sat next to sir keir starmer a couple of weeks ago for a state banquet. but of course he'll be mindful. i think the king, he is mindful of the cost of living. the keir starmer has spoken in the past of praised the king in the past for his kind of environmental credentials as well. so perhaps they're going to have a lot to talk about during those weekly meetings, which, of course the king is going to have with sir keir starmer every wednesday following prime ministers questions . questions. >> okay. thank you. cameron. thank you. cameron. we're just discussing here in the studio some of the big tory beasts who lost their own seats. yeah. aren't we. scarlett, we're looking grant shapps. alex chalk, penny mordaunt, gillian. keegan. michelle donelan, lucy frazer, chris heaton—harris , victoria. >> he stood down. actually, he stood down. >> so is michael gove. he's also stood down. >> he stood down. welsh secretary david tc davis. he lost his seat . yeah. the chief lost his seat. yeah. the chief
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whip, simon hart, lost his seat. the transport secretary most people have never heard of lost his seat. don't think he'll be lost. particularly lost his seat. really? i mean, trains didn't work. didn't ever say anything about it. trains were always companies, always on strike. i thought there were laws in place with this tory government to stop these wretched strikes. but no, never did anything about it. >> strikes there wasn't any difference between when there was a strike and the wasn't. i mean, why did they bring why do they bother bringing at all? >> well, hold your breath now. >> well, hold your breath now. >> there's going to be a lot more strikes. now, of course you will say that. >> well, no, they'll be settled very quickly and there'll be an inflationary effect. >> yeah, that's what they'll pay them more money. >> of course we, craig, we have that. we have yet to see. i mean at the moment we have a very good government about to come in and we will see what happens. >> well, we don't know if they're good yet. >> well, i, i predict they won't be very good on the taxpayers purse when they just give to in every demand which i can see happening. they will not give to in every demand. they've already said they won't. i mean, look, one of the first jobs doesn't give in to one of the first
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jobs. >> wes streeting has got the new health secretary, by the way, won by only 500 votes. he he had an independent muslim candidate standing against him, which cost four labour mps their seats. i think he's got to sort out the junior doctors strike. is he going to pay him 35? >> no. of course he's not going to pay them 35. he's he's always said he won't pay them 35. right but i mean, one of the problems with the junior doctors and all the people in the health service is they feel they're not treated properly. i mean, when victoria atkins says junior doctors, you mean trained? yeah, trained. the health secretary said, call them trainee doctors. i mean, let's inqu trainee doctors. i mean, let's insult our doctors. let's insult the people who work incredibly hard on a similar on the other point, you said that nothing work in this country. >> and i think we are pretty concerned about hmrc. no hmrc , concerned about hmrc. no hmrc, whatever, whatever department you tend to want to deal with. it's not working very well. do you think labour is going to get them back in the office and stop them back in the office and stop them working from home? >> i don't think working from home is the big problem. well, i think hold on, if we're talking about hmrc, can i say that there's 44, £40 billion of, of taxes that are not collected where they've said no, no, no ,
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where they've said no, no, no, no, what we need to but what we need to do is we need to put people in the proper place. so you need more in tax. and the other thing is you need more in immigration so that you're actually you're actually assessing asylum claims instead of sending people to home. >> i was on the public accounts committee for a few years. i'm a chartered accountant, chartered tax adviser. i gave the head of hmrc lots of clues as to where to look and he said thanks very much. we won't bother. no. so anyway, judith, the da silva, people who are waking up this morning, who didn't want labour to be in power with such a significant majority, what are they frightened of this morning, >> they're frightened of the kind of changes that they expect labour to bring in. because if you think about it, one thing that struck a lot of people from even during the debates, why they they weren't really saying it was a resounding success for keir starmer is that he's been very non—specific about what he's going to do, but always talking about the umbrella ambition, and that's what they say. nature abhors a vacuum. they feel that there are too
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many pockets of anything could happen where you're saying what you want to achieve. you won't nail down the specifics of how you're going to achieve it, or by when or what it's going to cost and who's going to pay for it. and that's that's undefined. margins is what makes people nervous. >> it's a fear of the unknown in a way, because i find it hard to pin down because they've been they've been out of power for 14 years. well, there's they've been out of power. but it's also that i find it hard to pin down. keir starmer's values. i don't know what his ideology is because i don't know when he was playing to win. it's a very he was playing to win. >> and that's what scares me when you have to say he has flip flopped on so many issues. i mean, you only have to go back two years. and he said one thing two years. and he said one thing two years. and he said one thing two years ago and then something completely different two years later. and i think that should cause us all worry, frankly. >> well, i think i mean, i want him to succeed and run a good government, i really do. >> but his flip flopping worries me because the old fashioned sort of left right dichotomy, i think it's utterly meaningless now in 2024, i genuinely do. >> i think you've got
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governments that want more control, and you've got governments that are happy to let people run their own lives. and that's where i think politically, the parties might be different. now, those with an authoritarian lean and those who are believing that the individual can get on with it and the state is there to protect those people who need it. but otherwise, out of my life, i don't know where keir starmer is going to sit on that. >> well, it's interesting that you say that because actually a lot of people expect a lot from the state. i mean, we've got the joke that what the british people want is they want, public services, scandinavian public services, scandinavian public services and american taxes. right. and obviously the joke is that they get the opposite at the moment. so, in fact, i mean, something like, you know, when harriet harman became an mp, her first question was about after school care for kids. and margaret thatcher said, don't be ridiculous. you know, this is this is this is private vision. and i have to say, the labour party were on margaret thatcher's side. now, there's absolutely no question that that that the tories and labour talk
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about child care and the importance of childcare, the importance of childcare, the importance of childcare, the importance of subsidising child care that actually and that's that's really, really important. >> but when you say there's absolutely no question, that's the bit that worries me about the bit that worries me about the left, because there's always a question and we must always be evolving. and it's not necessarily to say that the government should be paying to look after your children, after school. the conversation should be, what do we do with funds to help working parents? do we let us keep more of our own money and spend it in a way that we want on our own child care? or do we let the government provide it for us? do you see what mean? >> like there it gives me great, great pleasure looking back at some of what we did. but you have to say that covid changed the world completely and absolutely. and yeah, we've got the high tax burden that gives me no pleasure as a right of centre, libertarian conservative. but you can't spend half £1 trillion supporting the economy . every supporting the economy. every business, the furlough schemes, all the rest of it and expect no outcome. and this is what we're living with. and you could argue that a lot of the, you know, the
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lack of productivity is because of the working from home culture. people thinking that work is somehow a little bit optional compared to what it was. we haven't quite got back onto track of productivity, and i don't know how labour is going to solve that any more than we have been able to, because you thought nigel farage and back in 2015, how much difference can he make as a gang of four? >> what can they achieve in parliament, a gang of four? >> that's very interesting. they can do something of course they can, they obviously have had a lot of power. if it had been a hung parliament. yes, but they're not. so, frankly, their opportunity to ask questions at question times is going to go in the mix with everybody else, the obviously the bounce will be from the governing party to one of the opposition, you know how it works. so they won't have a big voice. i think their bigger voice they're going to be trying to have is obviously outside of parliament on channels like this and others, i would have thought. but if they think that's the bridgehead to some sort of future power, i think they are kidding themselves. but i said on the earlier show, i, i think all of the opposition parties, including the lib dems,
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we haven't actually discussed much this morning. we need to get together almost. and actually form some sort of opposition because we now have a supermajority of, let me say, quite new rookies. yeah. and there is not so much opposition kicking around there to actually look at legislation. the new rookie mps, labour would just say, what do i do boss. yes that's fine . yeah, some longer that's fine. yeah, some longer in the tooth. labour mps might say , well, hold on a minute. say, well, hold on a minute. i've got something to say about this. you've always usually got an opposition. that is a lot of them. we had quite a few of them, even with our 80 majority last time, they were competent enough to ask questions and put amendments forward to legislation. we haven't got so many opposition figures now doing that right. i'm going in the house of lords, perhaps a house of lords. we'll be doing a lot more opposition work because you've got not saying i'm a wise old head. far from it. you'll have to judge that for yourself over the years to come. but there are some wise old heads up there, and they will perhaps be looking at new legislation coming out of a new government
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and saying, hold on, this isn't going to work. so i think the house of lords, much as we dende house of lords, much as we deride it at times, might have a role to play. okay craig scarlett, stay with us. >> we are waiting for rishi sunak to speak outside of downing street. we'll bring you that in just a moment. and this might be important for his going away speech. is your weather. yes. >> you can have a brolly. >> you can have a brolly. >> this time. >> this time. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on gb news >> morning. here's your latest gb news weather forecast coming to you from the met office. plenty of showers to come as we go through this weekend, but first we have some fairly wet weather across southern areas today. heavy persistent rain affecting some southern parts. some of that is going to clear away for a time, but more pulses of wet weather pushing in from the southwest. further north, scotland, northern ireland, northern england seeing quite a few showers, perhaps not as many as yesterday. and then in
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2024. the people decide it's just gone. >> 10 am. this morning. history will be made . labour won will be made. labour won a landslide victory in the general election. this is gb news, britain's electorate. election channel with me bev turner and andrew pierce >> so it was a labour landslide . >> so it was a labour landslide. sir keir starmer campaigned for change. well he certainly got it . change. well he certainly got it. >> change begins now . and it >> change begins now. and it feels good. i have to be honest . feels good. i have to be honest. >> the conservatives have been wiped out. jacob rees—mogg, penny morden , grant shapps, liz penny morden, grant shapps, liz truss all losing their seats. here's the outgoing pm, rishi sunak. >> the labour party has won this general election and i have called sir keir starmer to congratulate him on his victory. >> and a very big night for reform uk . with large swings
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reform uk. with large swings across the country as nigel farage and richard tice both enter parliament, they've got four mps. let's hear from farage and tice right now. >> so i am now the member of parliament, elected for the great constituency of boston and skegness. so it's the proudest moment of my life. >> we will now be targeting labour votes. we're coming for laboun be labour votes. we're coming for labour. be in no doubt about that. >> and it was a good night for the lib dems. sir ed davey hailed it as a record breaking night for his party. >> oh, we set ourselves a target of being the third largest party, and we have surpassed it by a huge amount. this is a tremendous result and jeremy corbyn is back. >> he's been voted in as the independent mp for islington north, defeating the official labour candidate . my job in labour candidate. my job in parliament will be, as it's always been, to deal with the individual problems that many of our people face. >> i couldn't be more proud of my constituency than i am
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tonight . tonight. >> a lot to talk about this morning between now and midday, let's get the very latest news headunes let's get the very latest news headlines with sophia wenzler. >> bev. thank you. good morning. it's 10:03. >> bev. thank you. good morning. it's10:03. i'm sophia wenzler in the gb newsroom with an election recap. change begins now. they were the words of britain's next prime minister, sir keir starmer, as he claimed a stunning landslide victory for laboun a stunning landslide victory for labour, striking an optimistic tone , he said the uk would wake tone, he said the uk would wake up this morning to the sunlight of hope, which was once again shining after 14 years of conservative rule. the tories are left with just 120 seats, an extraordinary turnaround from the last election, which saw bofis the last election, which saw boris johnson command a historic win . this time labour scooped up win. this time labour scooped up 412 seats, far more than the 326 needed to secure a majority. the
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liberal democrats also triumphed , liberal democrats also triumphed, winning 71 seats, a huge increase from its previous total of 11. that left the snp with nine and reform uk with four. rishi sunak is expected to tender his resignation to the king soon. that will be followed by his majesty asking the labour leader to form a new government. delivering his victory speech, sir keir starmer said it was time for britain to get its future back . future back. >> change begins now . and it >> change begins now. and it feels good. i have to be honest, four and a half years of work changing the party. this is what it is for a changed labour party ready to serve our country, ready to serve our country, ready to serve our country, ready to restore britain to the service of working people.
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>> meanwhile, rishi sunak held to on his richmond and northallerton seat with just over 23,000 votes. but after conceding defeat to labour, he said the british people had delivered a sobering verdict on his party. >> on this difficult night. i would like to express my gratitude to the people of the richmond and northallerton constituency for your continued support . since i moved here support. since i moved here a decade ago, you have made me and my family feel so at home, and i look forward to continuing to serve as your member of parliament. it is . the labour parliament. it is. the labour party has won this general election, and i have called sir keir starmer to congratulate him on his victory today. power will change hands in a peaceful and orderly manner with goodwill on all sides. that is something that should give us all confidence in our country's stability and future. >> but the mood was brighter at reform uk's headquarters after nigel farage was elected as an mp for the first time, it was a
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case of eighth time lucky for the party's leader after seven previous attempts to enter parliament, he managed to overturn a conservative majority of around 25,000, with the party also securing three other seats. speaking shortly after claiming victory, mr farage said reform has its sights set on labour. >> i promise that i will do my absolute best as a member of parliament. i will say this it's four weeks and three days since i decided to come out of retirement and throw my hat in the ring . i retirement and throw my hat in the ring. i think retirement and throw my hat in the ring . i think what reform uk the ring. i think what reform uk has achieved in those just few short weeks is truly extraordinary, given that we had no money, no branch structure, virtually nothing across the country, we are going to come second in hundreds of constituencies. >> it was a brutal night for the conservative party, with eight cabinet ministers and a former prime minister among the casualties, beating 1997 record
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in one of the night's biggest upsets, liz truss lost her seat in south—west norfolk to labour, a head spinning turnaround from her 49 day stint in downing street. less than two years ago. but there were more shocks to come, with defence secretary grant shapps. commons leader penny mordaunt and former cabinet minister jacob rees—mogg all beaten by labour. there were some surprises for labour, too, with jonathan ashworth, who played a leading role in the party's campaign, losing his seat to a pro—palestinian independent and green party co—leader. khalife ousted labour's thangam debbonaire in bristol central, a strong showing for the liberal democrats saw them topple several tory ministers, though they failed to clinch jeremy hunfs they failed to clinch jeremy hunt's seat. sir ed davey said it was a historic result. >> the liberal democrats are on for our best results for over a century and i'm really proud that our party has fought so positively during this campaign,
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particularly putting the reforming and fixing the crisis in our health and care system right at the forefront. and the many liberal democrat mps who have been elected tonight are going to continue to fight to sort out health and care. so the people of our great country can get the health and care they deserve . deserve. >> meanwhile, the tories lost all their mps in wales after welsh secretary david tc davies lost his seat to labour and scottish labour took every snp seat in glasgow and edinburgh, while the scottish lib dems held on in edinburgh west. those are the latest gb news headlines for now. i'm sophia wenzler more in half an hour for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code , alerts by scanning the qr code, or go to gbnews.com. >> forward slash alerts .
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>> forward slash alerts. >> forward slash alerts. >> well, britain sees red. you can say that again after 14 years of tory rule or tory. some people might say mismanagement. labour has achieved the landslide general election victory which the polls pointed to. >> sir keir starmer's party has won more than 400 out of the 650 seats in the commons, while the conservatives have been left decimated with just 120 seats so far. here's what the labour leader had to say earlier. >> change begins now . and it >> change begins now. and it feels good. i have to be honest. four and a half years of work changing the party. this is what it is for a changed labour party . it is for a changed labour party. ready to serve our country. ready to serve our country. ready to serve our country.
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ready to restore britain to the service of working people . service of working people. >> and while rishi sunak kept his seat in richmond and northallerton, he conceded defeat this way. >> on this difficult night. i would like to express my gratitude to the people of the richmond and northallerton constituency for your continued support. since i moved here a decade ago. you have made me and my family feel so at home, and i look forward to continuing to serve as your member of parliament. it is the labour party has won this general election , and i have called sir election, and i have called sir keir starmer to congratulate him on his victory today. power will change hands in a peaceful and orderly manner with goodwill on all sides. that is something that should give us all confidence in our country's stability and future . stability and future. >> this record breaking loss caused casualties as some big tory hitters won't be returning to westminster. >> remember liz truss? prime
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minister for 49 days? two years ago, she lost her seat to laboun ago, she lost her seat to labour. here is the. for me, the michael portillo moment of this general election . general election. >> and i do hereby declare that jeremy terry is duly elected . jeremy terry is duly elected. >> she wasn't alone. seven members of the cabinet, including defence secretary grant shapps and commons leader penny mordaunt, also lost . penny mordaunt, also lost. >> and the snp were decimated in scotland with just nine seats. but we also saw a lib dem resurgent as they won 71. >> there were also a few surprises as jeremy corbyn was victorious in islington north, where he stood as an independent against labour and we saw the rise of reform uk. >> nigel farage is now officially the mp for clacton. eighth time lucky. >> therefore, do hereby declare that nigel paul farage is duly elected as the member of parliament for the clacton constituency. thank aslef.
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>> we will now be targeting labour votes. we're coming for laboun >> elsewhere, the party won three more seats and put in a strong showing in the north east, where it finished second to labour in several areas. >> and we can also reveal that there will be no final result in there will be no final result in the election today because of a countin the election today because of a count in the highlands is restarting on saturday morning. >> so our reporters are across the country and reporting from some of the constituencies where the big tory beasts lost. let's go to jeff moody first. good morning jeff. tell us where you are and who no longer has the seat. >> good morning. well, i'm in chew magna, which is in north—east somerset. until today, this was the seat of jacob rees—mogg. but we have lost whatever you think of him, we have lost one of the most colourful characters in the whole of parliament. jacob rees—mogg came to the came to
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government in 2010 at the same time as the as as the conservative government came to power. so he's been there for the whole of that time, it's fair to say that he was initially regarded as a bit of a curio, a bit of an eccentric. i mean, he very famously went on that first campaign trail in 2010 with his nanny, and when he was questioned about why he was his nanny was accompanying him, he said , well, i could have he said, well, i could have brought my butler, but i chose not to, and that sort of eccentricity has stuck with him. i mean, only recently, last week when he was campaigning here, he was doing so blaring out rule britannia from his car, it's fair to say that as the brexit referendum geared up and the brexit conversation became the national conversation, he really came to prominence. being a very strong advocate of brexit, and for a while he was regarded as a bit of an anti—establishment figure, which is quite funny if you think about it, because you
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think of jacob rees—mogg as the most establishment figure of them all the way he speaks, the fact that he has a country seat down here, it's surprising in a way that he has lost and lost so badly. i mean, he only lost by 5000 seats, but still, it is a very significant loss. it's a very significant loss. it's a very significant loss. it's a very significant scalping for the tories, and i think it wouldn't have happened if the boundanes wouldn't have happened if the boundaries hadn't have changed. i mean , chew magna, where i am i mean, chew magna, where i am now and all of these little villages where jacob rees—mogg was the mp, he has lots of thatched cottages, lots of it's a real tory heartland. but in the recent boundary changes they incorporated hannam . now hannam incorporated hannam. now hannam is part of bristol and it's part of southern bristol. it's part of southern bristol. it's part of the kingswood, the old kingswood constituency that used to be used to be kingswood. it's now amalgamated into this constituency and it's taken a lot of labour voters with it. you might remember the kingswood
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by—election only last year that went labour so suddenly. there's a lot of labour voters that are on jacob rees—mogg's patch, and i think that's had a lot to do with it . but i think that's had a lot to do with it. but his i think that's had a lot to do with it . but his his speech at with it. but his his speech at the end was very concessionary. it was very gracious, as you'd expect from him. and he didn't do a boris johnson and quote a quote, roman generals like cincinnati. instead, he quoted character caractacus potts from chitty chitty bang bang. he said, whenever there's the dust of chaos out of that chaos, the roses will grow. well, who knows what sort of roses he'll be growing from now on. but what we do know is he'll be back behind his desk @gbnews on monday. >> thanks, ray. thanks. and we're going to go to ray addison now. who is in portsmouth? where? penny morton, the leader of the commons. people may remember her, of course , remember her, of course, famously for the way she wielded that ceremonial sword at the king's coronation. she lost her seat. ray
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>> yeah, she's lost portsmouth nonh >> yeah, she's lost portsmouth north and, of course, was known very well and widely as a bellwether seat, meaning that it sort of accurately reflects how the rest of the nation is voting. and of course, with labour gaining seats all over the united kingdom, perhaps it's no surprise that penny has made her own exit. now she was beaten, but not by much to a local teacher , amanda martin. local teacher, amanda martin. she was a challenger back in 2019. now, miss martin wasn't successful back then, but she was overnight finally triumphing. but by just 780 votes. so quite a narrow margin there. and then reform coming in in third place with around 8500 votes, which will have definitely had an impact on penny mordaunts chances last night. now, she'd had a lot of local support. of course, this is her home town. it's a naval town. she's a navy reservist.
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but just like jacob rees—mogg, she came into power in 2010 and dunng she came into power in 2010 and during her campaign to get re—elected or attempt to get re—elected, she said that she told voters that the work that she'd done in portsmouth tells the conservative story. now, of course, when she was first elected here, portsmouth was ranked among the top ten worst places to live in the united kingdom, but it has since been transformed into the second best place to live. so the swing that was needed to oust penny mordaunt was around 17. the turnout was down 64% back in 2019, just 59% at this election and quite a lot of people that i've been speaking to here have been quite apathetic about the result . but during her speech, result. but during her speech, penny admitted that the tories had taken a battering . had taken a battering. >> okay, thank you ray. i think
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we go to will hollis, who is in bassetlaw where brendan clarke—smith lost his vote. what happenedin clarke—smith lost his vote. what happened in that area will? >> yes. well, this is the labour heartlands before 2019, when brendan clarke—smith and the conservatives gained power here, there hadn't been any other mps other than labour since 1935, but brendan clarke—smith a man who's probably been on gb news more times than i have, was booted out by the labour candidate, joe white, who was deputy leader of bassetlaw district council . now what is district council. now what is probably going to happen as joe white goes into parliament? well, big things that matter here are, of course, levelling up. it was something that brendan clarke—smith would have said was a success, as his time in parliament and his time in power here, lots of shut up shops as well as the wilko's distribution centre. that one's closed not too long ago, so
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she's going to be taking those with her as well as that 5000 vote majority. second place was brendan clarke—smith in third place. it was the reform candidate . but here the red wall candidate. but here the red wall is back building itself along the high street. despite lots of shops being shut. there are also lots of people working the market stalls. and here it is pretty much back to for business labour a little bit further away in ashfield. it wasn't the same story of labour returning to the red wall. lee anderson, who won in 2019 as a conservative candidate regaining that seat as the member of parliament. but this time for reform. so while you are seeing that blanket of red across the red wall areas, in some areas people aren't willing to go back to labour. >> okay. thank you . will, let's >> okay. thank you. will, let's go to theo chikomba, who is in monmouthshire in wales with theo .
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monmouthshire in wales with theo. >> well, history was made here overnight as the first woman is going to be representing monmouthshire in parliament. catherine fox was elected this morning, winning with just over 3000 more votes than david davies, who's been the mp here for nearly 20 years, serving in this community. and during his speech, he did thank everyone he's worked for. but he did seem disappointed. as someone who's been for here many years now, in the last couple of hours , we've the last couple of hours, we've been hearing from people here and they're saying this is something we were anticipating because people seem to have lost faith in what they want to see, particularly in towns where they feel like they're not getting the right resources and infrastructure. now, in terms of the voting itself, labour won 27 out of 32 seats here in wales, and the boundaries changed here from 40 to 32 as a result of
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changes made by the boundaries commission in 2023. now, in terms of catherine fox, who won this morning, this is what she had to tell us. >> thank you to the people of monmouthshire. you sent a very clear message at the ballot box today. the result was possible because thousands of you here put country before party and trusted labour with their votes for the first time in a generation . i don't take that generation. i don't take that trust lightly. and i know you will hold us accountable for the change we have promised . change we have promised. >> well, the question all night was will there be a total wipe—out for the tories? and that was confirmed this morning at 5:45. so not a good result for here the conservative party. and i'm sure they'll be mulling over the results in the hours to come . come. >> okay. thank you theo. >> okay. thank you theo. >> so we've still got craig with
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us. so the last seat was the was the secretary of state for wales. lost your seat part of the davies, not david davies who our viewers might be familiar with. >> who who held on in his seat in yorkshire. >> yeah, but you know, lovely guy.been >> yeah, but you know, lovely guy. been in parliament for 20 years, you know, properly on my side of the party, shall we say. and yeah, a party wipe out in the whole of wales and, and another scalp from the cabinet. >> but also craig at a time when the welsh labour government devolved government had such an appalling record, the 20 mile an hour speed limit, bad education, bad health, people going into england for the nhs and even the first minister, losing a confidence vote. and yet still the tories have been wiped out in wales. >> no, quite remarkable, quite remarkable. because, you know, sir keir starmer said well if you want a blueprint for our government, look at wales, nothing good about it. it was bad on just about every measure you could imagine. but still we got wiped out. i mean, it's one of those days when, when the tide is around your ankles and you've got very soft shingle underneath you, i'm afraid you get taken out to sea and we have
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just on because people, if you're just listening, we're talking about david davis, who's lost his seat in wales, the secretary of state for wales, david davis, who's often been on our program. >> sir david davis, who was the brexit he held on in yorkshire , brexit he held on in yorkshire, his seat you held on with 3000 goole and pocklington is his. that's right. it's a new strange name. >> it was haltemprice and something wasn't it, in the old days. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> now we've got somebody outside number 10, getting the podium ready, because of course, the prime minister will speak at 1030. it will be his final speech as prime minister. yeah. >> and how soon is it until the removal men arrive? >> dave. dave. probably there already. they'll be there already. they'll be there already on the back. >> they might have done it already. discreetly because of course, they've known for a long time that they were going to lose. and in number 10, it was all about actually limiting the scale of the defeat. but they didn't do very well with that, didn't do very well with that, did they? because it's the biggest defeat since 1997. so i suspect the stuff's been carted out of the brutality of this is quite something. >> i mean, unlike the us, i know we haven't got a presidential system, of course, but a couple of months. oh, you get a few
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months to think about it. yeah. and i was the chairman of the all party parliamentary group for hungary of all things. and in their mayoral elections, the mayors do another three months before they hand over the reins. i mean, this is this is brutal. it is brutal. british politics is brutal. but it all works very well. and the new administration will be in place by tea time. >> so the press will be gathered there outside of number 10 downing street this morning. the lectern is in place. rishi sunak is behind that door. i imagine he's going to be coming out any minute now. what do you expect him to say? >> well, and i suspect it's a very important point here, is somebody's going to have an umbrella because look at the catastrophic launch of the campaign. >> i make it a serious point. he got drenched because nobody in number 10 thought to have a brolly because they didn't want headlines. the wally with the brolly. so he just looked like a wally because he got soaked. but i think he should say he will be gracious in defeat and he will wish keir starmer's government well . but i wish keir starmer's government well. but i hope he wish keir starmer's government well . but i hope he says wish keir starmer's government well. but i hope he says he's going to stick around as leader for at least a few weeks to let the dust settle. >> i think we're going to see
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rishi at his decent best because he's a decent man. he's a very decent man. you meet him, you'll like him. so i think he'll be very. he'll be very decent in defeat. there's no doubt about that, craig. >> he also said in the run up to this election that he would absolutely stay if he won his seat and do a full term in yorkshire. in richmond, i, for one, find that a little hard to believe. what do you think? >> he actually said it in these. >> he actually said it in these. >> he actually said it in these. >> he did say it. >> he did say it. >> no, he did say it. i mean he said it, he said it, he said it. i think he'll do it. of course, of course, for months and years as your mp, i mean, the difference, of course. i mean, let's have the reality check here because we're so much in the minority. the conservative votes aren't going to matter if you have a week off. no, i'm afraid to say no. >> the conservative party, what goes on in the conservative party frankly, is a sideshow now because all eyes are on the government. we've got a new government. we've got a new government first, new government, first time in 14 years. that's where the interest is . the tory years. that's where the interest is. the tory party leadership contest. people are going to shrug their show and say, who cares? which was a bit like what it was in 1997 when blair gordon, telegenic, young and modern william hague was elected leader who cared .
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leader who cared. >> nobody was listening to him. >> nobody was listening to him. >> i think things will well , you >> i think things will well, you know, i would say it, wouldn't i? but i think the wheels are going to fall off the labour wagon rather more quickly than in 97, because unlike blair, who had a massive mandate from the people. well, and we we'd bequeathed them a fantastic economy as well. yeah, absolutely . absolutely. >> if rishi sunak stays as an mp for the next four years in yorkshire , he has absolutely yorkshire, he has absolutely failed to communicate that part of his character to the british public. of his character to the british pubuc.so of his character to the british public. so those of us and i would include myself in this, who saw him as the technocratic billionaire's married into a billionaire's married into a billionaire family , using billionaire family, using politics as a springboard into the rest of his very profitable career, claiming power and influence across the world via his business interests . if he his business interests. if he stays in yorkshire as an mp for four years, then i was wrong . as four years, then i was wrong. as a voter, i was wrong about him and who's to blame for that? craig? >> well, yeah, if that was his intent, perhaps if you've if you've interpreted that that you
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didn't feel that as a voter, then yes, he should have. he should have got that across to more voters because everybody i know who's met him likes him and warms to him. but i suppose when you've when you've come in after such a colourful character like bofis such a colourful character like boris johnson, it's quite a difficult, difficult act to follow with the, you know, the, the fun and the glamour and but his attempts, his attempts to relate to ordinary voters, the voters just didn't work. >> craig, when he was asked, did you struggle? did your family struggle to her? well, we didn't have sky tv, sky fame, so that was , for me, one of yet another was, for me, one of yet another terrible error because who cares? he went to one of britain's most expensive private schools, boy of winchester, head boy of winchester. you didn't struggle, mate. make a virtue of it. yeah. make a virtue of the fact you had a very good education. you were very lucky. your dad was a gp. your mum was a pharmacist. boris johnson never had any problem about saying. i went to eton. it's a great school. you have a problem with it? yeah >> well, perhaps that's the world we're in now. maybe that's the world we're in now.
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>> it's sort of something he wasn't. instead of being authentic. yeah, that was my problem. >> yeah, but he's an authentic man. i like him if he stays being the authentic mp for richmond in yorkshire for the next four years, i will have been incredibly wrong about who i thought he was as a as his character, emma webb has joined us now, i'm delighted to say. >> and scarlett mccgwire as well. emma, your response this morning to this result? >> well i think we expected it. maybe we expected a bigger, chunk to go to the labour party, the polling did the exit poll did suggest more seats for reform, but still historic and extraordinary that they managed to get, four seats. lee anderson as well. surprised to see jacob rees—mogg lose his seat. i don't think he would be. that may be that may be due to personal affection. yeah, the thing that for me is the most interesting, i think, is that, this is historic in the sense that the majority this large has been won on such a small share of the vote and with such a low turnout, so the vote share is
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actually less than 2017, for, for the labour party . and also for the labour party. and also that there are so many independents who have won seats, places like the new constituency, up in batley , constituency, up in batley, blackburn, though george galloway did lose his seat in rochdale. there are a number of now independent mps who have won on the pro gaza ticket and also that, that big hitters like jess phillips and wes streeting are only just managed to scrape by. because such a large chunk was taken out of their vote by the by the. as george galloway put it, the muslim vote. and i know scarlett and i disagree about this, but i also think that's a factor in jeremy corbyn's victory as well, in islington and also in leicester, in leicester south as well, where john jonathan ashworth, a cabinet minister, lost a shadow cabinet minister, lost a shadow cabinet minister, lost his. >> yes. >> yes. >> so it's i think this is an historic election because and many people have already pointed this out this morning that
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labour it's not so much that labour it's not so much that labour have won, but that the tories have lost. yeah. and actually when you look underneath the surface of this result, what you actually see is the, the extreme political disaffection across the country. and so yes, the labour, the labour party may have a very large majority , but that doesn't large majority, but that doesn't actually necessarily mean that they have a very firm mandate. this is not 1997. >> i asked jody silver earlier, emma, what people who don't want labourin emma, what people who don't want labour in power are frightened of. >> this morning. of. >> this morning . what would your >> this morning. what would your answer to that question be? >> gosh, it could be a number of things, the identity politics, i think is something that really worries people. but i also think on a more basic level, i don't know how how much people trust them with the economy, they've sort of been gifted, somebody, somebody pointed out, i can't remember who i think it may have been.in remember who i think it may have been. in the telegraph, somebody pointed out that this is a bit
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like keir starmer has just happened to be holding the parcel during pass the parcel. and, i think for many people, i think they will fear taxes, i think they will fear taxes, i think they will fear taxes, i think they will fear the immigration. immigration is a huge one, i just, i don't think that. and you've actually seen a lot of this, talk this morning. what will the first 100 days of the labour party in government hold? because i think actually too not many people have have thought about or discussed exactly what the labour party, planned to do on immigration, i think, and net zero especially, the plan to, to create a green energy company, in, in national ownership and also, as you say , ownership and also, as you say, the fact that they will scrap the fact that they will scrap the rwanda scheme and they their plans to replace it are pretty fluffy. it gets scrapped this week. >> yeah, probably today , which
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>> yeah, probably today, which will encourage more people to ci'oss. >> cross. >> just as many european countries are actually looking to rwanda as a solution to and i suspect the number of people crossing the channel would increase now . increase now. >> yes. i wouldn't be surprised. i think it was a potentially was a serious deterrent. >> let me tell you what frightens me, scarlet, is this idea that we're going to move into a time of a sort of politics with some cruelty sewn through it. let me tell you what i mean by that. i think the one thing that we know categorically that labour have said they're going to do, and they have stayed stuck on this is the 20% on vat. private schools that is divisive. more than anything, it is punitive for people who are able to afford to send their children to private school, and it harms viability to divide. >> it doesn't. >> it doesn't. >> it's designed to divide people. >> no, you can't pay for something that we can't have. no, no, what they're saying is, is private schools, the businesses they've been putting up their fees by well over inflation for the last ten, 15 years, nothing to do with the
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government , right? no, no. their government, right? no, no. their businesses right . which is why businesses right. which is why it's nothing to do with government, their business, their businesses. so they pay vat, that's all they're saying. and what will that money go to . and what will that money go to. so it will go to the 93% of families who send their children to state schools to make state schools better. that's what it's all about. how can you conceptually how can you conceptually how can you conceptually tax education? >> and can i just say, how can you do that? it's monstrous is you've divided children , you've divided children, scarlet, and it doesn't hurt the eton's, the harrow's, though it'll be a smaller independent. >> it's not going to affect the multimillionaires . they can pay multimillionaires. they can pay 20% fat. they don't care. >> it hurts those families that work really hard in order to pay those fees. so that they can give their children a better education. >> well, i'll declare that my daughter is at a private school, a small private school. it's not one of these grand schools. it hasn't got a big inheritance of land and property and all of that behind it, and it will struggle. it's an area that is not a particularly wealthy area.
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it's a sort of place where the children are supported not by by parents, but by grandparents as well, who just about cobble it all together and it's particularly relevant for those who've got some special educational needs , education educational needs, education requirements where it's not being fulfilled in normal school, shall i say, or state school, shall i say, or state school, because class sizes are big. there haven't been statemented by an education, health and care plan. they don't quite meet that, but a private school actually does things for those children that nobody else can, and parents are willing to pay can, and parents are willing to pay for that. and now they're going to get taxed at 20. it's monstrous. monstrous. >> it's not monstrous, actually. >> it's not monstrous, actually. >> well what's next? private health. >> no. >> no. >> well, it has to be. surely it's. craig. >> can i just say what this is aboutis >> can i just say what this is about is that that you. it's about is that that you. it's about that state schools have had to cut their cloth as as budgets have fallen. and all we're saying is to the private schools is and you do the same. you don't have to pass that on to parents. but what's important is that we can we take that
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money and we put it straight into state education and a lot go straight. >> you go into the you go into the treasury pot and it's 4.3 billion actually it'll cost not a lot of money. >> no i and that's if the kids stay at school if the parents take them out. >> well the independent institute for fiscal studies reckons that that's where you get the 1.3 billion. >> that's what schools will just close down. >> but can i come back. won't can what about what about the 40,000 children that will be dragged out of private? >> that won't be. dad can't afford it. >> i think they will. i think there will be. >> well, you might hang on. >> well, you might hang on. >> scott, we've talked to headteachers on this programme who say we've got we're facing up to 15% because that's what the private, the private schools have been saying to the parents, say that you're going to do this. >> the ifs says that it will be small. what we have to remember is there a falling school rolls. is that actually in junior schools, state schools, state primary schools are merging. right. so there is an awful lot of space and actually very few children will be taken out. some parents will decide they want
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to. >> i just want to quickly relate this to your question. when you said, what do people afraid of? because there are also concerns that labour are going to raid people's savings. i think the concern is aside from that, like i said, the identity politics, politics of it, that we are entering a de facto more divisive political landscape where things aren't as certain and the party system isn't as tribal. but i think it's also that there's a fear that labour is going to punish aspiration, andifs is going to punish aspiration, and it's going to and i think that this vat raid on private schools, i say this as somebody who went to a state school, but who went to a state school, but who who admires those who work really hard in order to pay for their children to have a better education, that the fear is that the labour party are effectively going to punish those who aspire for more, but also to demotivate people, to want to save, to want to try and get by and do better in life. and that that is only going to have an overall stagnating effect and stifling
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effect on a country that is already deeply, deeply unhappy and divided . and divided. >> can i just say i, i'm really >> can ijust say i, i'm really insulted that to be aspirational for your children means sending them to a private school. i chose to send both my children to the local comprehensive. >> they did very well, very aspirational. i am very aspirational. i am very aspirational. but do you see what my children. >> i know none of my business whether you are or not, but that's the point, is that if what is aspirational, then if i want to work hard to send my children to private school, that is nothing to do with you. and it's nothing to do with the government. and we need choice. >> and there is a choice. >> and there is a choice. >> there is a choice. all we're saying, all we're saying and there is no secret about this. it's like people go, what are you going to be frightened of? everybody knows everybody who voted labour knows that they're going to put it. but but there are a lot of aspirational parents who really care about their children and will and will send them to the state sector . send them to the state sector. and what we want is more and better state schools. >> you know, when there's a new
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tax, what's the temptation of a chancer? oh, i'll increase it. of course, 20. >> always a way. >> always a way. >> yeah. does it go up to 20? >> yeah. does it go up to 20? >> absolutely. i mean 5. >> absolutely. i mean 5. >> andrew, it's vat. >> andrew, it's vat. >> it is it is vat. >> and say they will not increase vat. >> oh my god . the prime minister >> oh my god. the prime minister is in charge that they won't raise vat. and then do and i'm talking conservative as well. >> they've said they will not raise vat or income . raise vat or income. >> can we. the third factor of tax is it's a ratchet. we inherited a tax regime from yourselves back in 2010. we didn't actually reduce it. i mean, just think of what liz truss tried to do. if a right or wrong won't go whether it's right or wrong, but to try and get the 45% rate back down to 40, which labour was happy with throughout their years, we end up with a ratchet and then the next government thinks, oh well, that's great and we'll just ratchet it up a little bit more. and so the inheritance of tax gets higher and higher. let me ask, let's see how long keir starmer manages to keep a lid on the left of the party. >> oh and then we can. then we can. >> then we can talk about i think it's going to what left.
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>> i mean, do you know anything about how these mps have been selected? the left have been absolutely pushed out. >> i think we have a slightly different definition of what's left. >> well, obviously, you think keir starmer's left. i don't scarlet, i think this is going to open the door actually for labour to charge vat on all tertiary education university. no no no. would you be okay with that. >> no. they no no no. >> no. they no no no. >> are you okay with that? >> are you okay with that? >> would you be okay with 20% extra on university fees . extra on university fees. >> no, no you wouldn't. >> no, no you wouldn't. >> so why. well, university is a private institution. >> of course they are university. they're all little businesses . businesses. >> universities are paid for by the state. right. that's where they get their money from. >> i think my student loan says otherwise. >> and certainly foreign students are just paying like a business. >> and the problem with universities right at the moment. >> so you want under 18 education with vat over education with vat over education over 18 education no vat. it doesn't make sense about universities. >> is they're part of the state apparatus. right. there is absolutely no question. i mean,
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actually what we've got to do is we've got to we've got to i met the vice chancellor is earning 400 grand a year. >> don't think they're part of the state architecture, but there we go. >> i wouldn't mind if vice chancellors all took a 50% pay cut or more. that would be a reason to work harder and be poorer. >> but also there's a reason. >> but also there's a reason. >> okay. so just just just break that down a bit. so as a vice chancellor of a university now if you're working really hard, you're doing all your academics, you're doing all your academics, you do your doctorate, you become, you get your phd or emma webb's. she she could be one of these one day. you're doing it because on the horizon is a £400,000 a year salary. when you've got that huge responsibility, it's not you're saying is, well, no, i'm sorry , saying is, well, no, i'm sorry, we're not going to have that anymore. you've maximum of your salary is going to be 150. >> it's punitive. >> it's punitive. >> it's punitive. >> it's coming out if you're listening on the radio promises walking out with his wife akshata, he's going to the podium. there's no rain at the moment. good morning . moment. good morning. >> i will shortly be seeing his majesty the king to offer my resignation as prime minister to the country. i would like to say , the country. i would like to say, first and foremost, i am sorry i
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have given this job my all. but you have sent a clear signal that the government of the united kingdom must change. and yours is the only judgement that matters. i have heard your angen matters. i have heard your anger, your disappointment, and itake anger, your disappointment, and i take responsibility for this loss to all the conservative candidates and campaigners who work tirelessly, but without success.i work tirelessly, but without success. i am sorry that we could not deliver what your efforts deserved . it pains me to efforts deserved. it pains me to think how many good colleagues who contributed so much to their communities and our country will now no longer sit in the house of commons. i thank them for their hard work and their service . following this result, service. following this result, i will step down as party leader, not immediately, but once the formal arrangements for selecting my successor are in place. it is important that after 14 years in government, the conservative party rebuilds,
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but also that it takes up its crucial role in opposition. professionally and effectively . professionally and effectively. when i first stood here as your prime minister, i told you the most important task i had was to return stability to our economy. inflation is back to target, mortgage rates are falling, and growth has returned. we have enhanced our standing in the world, rebuilding relations with allies, leading global efforts to support ukraine and becoming the home of new generation of transformative technologies and our united kingdom is stronger, too, with the windsor framework devolution restored in northern ireland and our union strengthened, i am proud of those achievements. i believe this country is safer, stronger and more secure than it was 20 months ago and it is more prosperous, fairer and resilient than it was in 2010. whilst he has been my political opponent,
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sir keir starmer will shortly become our prime minister in this job, his successors will be all our successes and i wish him and his family well. whatever our disagreements in this campaign, he is a decent, public spirited man who i respect. he and his family deserve the very best of our understanding as they make the huge transition to their new lives behind this door and as he grapples with this most demanding of jobs in an increasingly unstable world, i would like to thank my colleagues, my cabinet, the civil service, especially here in downing street, the team at chequers, my staff cchq. but most of all, i'd like to express my gratitude to my wife, akshata and our beautiful daughters. i can never thank them enough for the sacrifices they have made so that i might serve our country. one of the most remarkable
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things about britain is just how unremarkable it is that two generations after my grandparents came here with little, i could become prime minister, and that i could watch my two young daughters like diwali candles on the steps in downing street. we must hold true to that idea of who we are. that vision of kindness , decency that vision of kindness, decency and tolerance that has always been the british way. this is a difficult day at the end of a number of difficult days, but i leave this job honoured to have been your prime minister this is the best country in the world and it is thanks entirely to you, the british people, the true source of all our achievements, our strengths and our greatness. thank you . our greatness. thank you. >> well, there he is. he used the word sorry, opened up speech by saying sorry. he said sorry
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twice. i think it was a gracious speech. >> yes, it was exactly what you would expect. completely devoid of any sort of emotion or humanity. and that has been the problem with his tenureship. that has been the problem. he seems robotic all the time. i have no doubt he meant he probably meant what he said there, but there wasn't even a quiver of a lip. you know, we normally, when prime ministers have to step down like that, i would prefer that there was no quivering lip. >> yes. yeah. >> yes. yeah. >> i mean, theresa may had a little wobble, didn't she? >> yeah. the rotten media, the rotten media. bring it out for the next five years. >> boris didn't know. >> boris didn't know. >> well, he was in a sulk. >> well, he was in a sulk. >> yeah, he was sulking. but at least sulking is an emotion, is what i'm saying. i can't read him as a person, but he's now being driven off to buckingham palace, where he will say farewell to the king. >> he's in his official car, which, of course, he keeps because he's a former prime minister and he has will have a permanent security entourage for the rest of his life. >> it's almost worth being prime minister to have a chauffeur for the rest of your life. >> that's, by the way, has liz
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truss, who not only was the only prime minister for 49 days, she's now no longer an mp, but she's now no longer an mp, but she leaves the permanent security entourage. it's a nice perk, isn't it? >> huge crowd there at the end of downing street. huge press contingent there. >> they're waiting for the main show, which of course now is not rishi sunak. it is the new prime minister. well, he's not prime minister. well, he's not prime minister yet, but we'll be very soon. sir keir starmer, craig you like rishi sunak, is that fair criticism from bev robotics? >> no, no, i mean , perhaps he's >> no, no, i mean, perhaps he's perhaps he's just a man that doesn't sort of show that emotion and have his heart on his sleeve. a lot of people don't. perhaps we've become too gushing and crying and quivering of lips, and that's not his way. that doesn't make him a bad person anyway, of emotional. >> but i just want to be able to work out what he's thinking, because in the absence of being able to work out what he's thinking, it renders him a little untrustworthy. it's a sincerity problem more than it is an emotional reality , is an emotional reality, >> but i mean, you can imagine standing there giving that speech is almost like giving the eulogy at a friend's funeral. that must be really tough
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usually. and that's, i think, what you're saying, isn't it, but that's just not his way. that's just not his way on on camera. like anybody think he could ever be prime minister and be voted in because he was a safe pair of hands after liz truss? >> that's what people theresa may. >> she had zilch emotional intelligence. you would agree with that, craig, wouldn't you? liz >> theresa may. i'm not speaking ill of any form of prime minister, but when she left, could i just say , though on could i just say, though on former prime ministers. >> so david cameron's seat, old seat gone, theresa may's old seat gone, theresa may's old seat gone. liz truss gone. three former prime seats and boris's boris's gone. >> hold that thought. >> hold that thought. >> chris hope is with us from downing street. what's the mood like down there, chopper? we were reflecting on the fact that it's quite hard to read rishi sunak. perhaps you would say just professional until the end. >> well, yeah. >> well, yeah. >> yeah. morning both i think. i think it's quite weirdly moving. i mean i'm standing here if paulif i mean i'm standing here if paul, if you go look , show how paul, if you go look, show how many journalists are here with
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the cameras. there's literally about 150 journalists from the world's press here watching it. and when he finishes his rather moving, i thought speech in which he said, sorry repeatedly. and don't forget a lot of pm's. don't say sorry for when they get things wrong. i remember theresa may back in 2017. the whole place was stunned into silence. then he walked off quietly with his wife akshata and no one spoke. we were all a bit. it didn't. it felt inappropriate to shout anything after him. i think it was a very elegant way to stand down as prime minister. he admittedly got it wrong. he said sorry repeatedly to the country, to his supporters, to colleagues, as he said, who have now left parliament suddenly because of his choices. he made. and he's owned it really. and i think that deserves a lot of respect. i think what he said about sir keir starmer, he says he's a decent man, which is also true. and i think that was almost a return to the kind of high level, the higher nobility of politics, which you may be may have been missing in recent years under other predecessors. in 10 downing street. but i think it was an interesting, a moving speech when he said, you
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know, it was a difficult day at the end of many other difficult days, i'm sorry. i gave him my job, my all. he meant every word of that. i mean, he was somebody who i've met repeatedly weekly over the past six weeks. it was someone who has tried his to best convince people of his argument, but he lacked that kind of that magic dust, i think, to get people onto his side. he knew he had the arguments to try and convince them, but frankly, the country wasn't listening and he now accepts that he may regret going to the country early. he could have waited for six months and allowed interest rate cuts to happen. net migration to fall. a uk leading in the eu at this berlin palace summit, small boats crossings may be falling because of rwanda. he gave away all of that on a gamble to go early. he got it wrong and he said sorry chris. >> he also said he's not going to stand down immediately. he wants arrangements to be put in place to elect his successor. does that? sounds to me like he's not going to be around for very long.
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>> well, that's his leader. so he'll stay on as the mp for richmond. he did say during the campaign he would stay for the full five years. now, we do know that that that promise has been broken by previous people who became prime minister i wasn't quite clear what that meant when he said until arrangements are put into place, does that mean the process starts or until there's a new leader ? he didn't there's a new leader? he didn't say. until there's a new leader, he said, until the arrangements were in place. so i am not quite sure what that means, but i'm not sure we'll find out really, because he's lost all of his staff now. so we'll try and work out what he means. and we haven't even got a chairman of the 1922 committee anymore. graham brady of course, is now in house of lords, so there's no real mechanism to create a new leader of the tory party, so we have to wait a few weeks for that to take place. >> chris, the prime minister's entourage has just arrived at buckingham palace. it will be short and sweet with the with the with the king. >> it will be. and what's what's the car he leaves in it won't be. it won't be a government car. andrew and bev. he goes
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away in his private car. and i wonder what car he'll take. he might be the big. it might be the golf that he couldn't find. put, put, put fuel in. if you remember, back in the old days when he was chancellor. but he'll be driving away in his private car. and then the big action happens today. of course , action happens today. of course, sir keir starmer will make a statement on the stage behind me where rishi sunak was at 1220 after he's been to buckingham palace. >> thank you chris, we are seeing rishi sunak and his wife getting out of the car here. >> no sign of his daughters. if you remember when gordon brown left number 10 for the last time, he had his two little boys with him who we hadn't seen and they were very cute. but the two children, rishi sunak's children, rishi sunak's children, are teenagers. no sign of him. so that's some palace, i think. so, yeah, quite interesting . interesting. >> rolled out. >> rolled out. >> chris talked about magic dust. did rishi have magic dust? has keir starmer got magic dust and what sort of speech will he give when he resigns? which will happen one day? >> yeah. let's tell you, our viewers are saying actually robert has said too little, too late. you should have said sorry months ago. and that, i think, is what i'm sort of reflecting
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on a little bit. is this sense. well, it's a bit late now to say sorry. >> i think it was about as magnanimous as he could possibly muster, actually. >> and to be fair, a lot of our viewers are saying that i am being too harsh, and they said that the speech was dignified. i thought it was bad. yeah. and they said that apparently we're being sore losers. but anyway. >> and actually, how often do you see prime ministers say they use the word sorry? >> no, not very rarely. absolutely. i thought it was really gracious . really gracious. >> sorry. cameron walker outside buckingham palace. here he is . buckingham palace. here he is. >> hi, bev. well, as you just saw , the prime minister has now. saw, the prime minister has now. actually by big labour banner, right by the gates from a member of the public who's been eagerly waiting for the prime minister. but he was greeted at the door, the king's door, by the principal private secretary to the king and queen to clive alderton, alongside commander william thornton. he's a ecree to the king of the royal navy, and he's being taken up to the private audience room in the north wing of the palace. it's going to be we expect, a very
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short audience where he will offer his resignation as prime minister to his majesty, the king, and he and resignation as first lord of the treasury as well. and he will then recommends to his majesty the king that sir keir starmer should form the next administration. and, as is custom, the prime minister's wife will then be taken into the audience room to meet his majesty the king. at the very end of that audience. the pair of them will then, as chris hope was talking about earlier, they will depart privately in a private car , so we're not private car, so we're not expecting to see them exit the palace through the main centre gates. and then, of course, it's very soon that we will expect. sir keir starmer, leader of the labour party, to arrive at buckingham palace having been summoned by the king to be ianed summoned by the king to be invited to form a new administration. >> okay. thank you, cameron, thank you very much. >> and of course , all eyes >> and of course, all eyes really are waiting on rishi. that sir keir starmer sweeping up in his official car into the palace. scarlett mccgwire this is your happy holiday.
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palace. scarlett mccgwire this is your happy holiday . all is your happy holiday. all things come true for you. you've been waiting. you haven't won an election your lot since 2005. 19 years later, i do. finally, a labour leader , remember i do, labour leader, remember i do, i do know about election losses. >> yeah. and i'm old enough to remember election losses pre 97 as well. no, it's really good news i mean a big moment for you for and your friends and people who've been advising and people who've been advising and people who've been advising and people who've been working really, really hard. to, to they've been out canvassing day after day after day, to win this. i mean, what what we talk about keir starmer and what he has to offer, but actually what we don't talk about and craig knows about this all tour is, is the people on the ground who work, who do that, who stuff the envelopes, who go out day after day and i mean, i was, on with a halfon and halfon down in harlow who stood down and he talked to me about how amazing his
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volunteers were. and i think that that's all the people of whatever party who've been out there for what i call the ground war is, is that you have the stars on the telly and then you have the ground. >> i think i'd also add to that because the tide was with you, your activists would have had wind in their sails. yeah. where ours possibly throughout in some cases were apologetic. a little deflated. i'm just saying. and that does make a difference. >> thank you. i'm just saying that that it's not taking anything away from the, you know. no, of course, the work you've done. but i am saying that the activists, they really do deserve to have their moment in the sun because actually, because they've been working so hard and for so long. yeah >> and are you going to celebrate ? celebrate? >> i imagine she already has, haven't you? >> she will cook a lovely vegan meal . that's >> she will cook a lovely vegan meal. that's how labour celebrates . celebrates. >> i am not a vegan. i'm not even a vegetarian. >> yes she is. she ought to be. >> yes she is. she ought to be. >> she keeps threatening to cook me dinner, craig. but i said i don't want all that. all that.
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>> no, no, all those pulses. >> no, no, all those pulses. >> and i wouldn't have to andrew dinner. right. if my life depended on it completely. >> i'm true. >> i'm true. >> i'm true. >> i would love to get me there with all your leftie mates, >> let me just tell you what people are saying at home. larry has got in touch this morning. a very gracious, gracious speech from sunak. i think it was stephen says, i'm sorry, rishi, but i find starmer to be a small minded little man that believes in nothing and is about to be found out. and good riddance. good riddance to rishi. bev, you're right. except he didn't mean a word of it. well, a lot of you do think he did a speech. a lot to come this morning. we're still waiting.
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between now and midday , labour between now and midday, labour won a landslide victory. of course , overnight. this is gb news. >> conservatives have effectively been wiped out. big beasts including jacob rees—mogg, penny mordaunt , grant rees—mogg, penny mordaunt, grant shapps and even the former prime minister, albeit for only 49 days. liz truss have lost their seats and here is prime minister rishi sunak saying he will resign as tory leader outside number 10 as prime minister for the last time , i will shortly be the last time, i will shortly be seeing his majesty the king to offer my resignation as prime minister to the country. >> i would like to say, first and foremost, i am sorry. >> and it was, of course , a >> and it was, of course, a labour landslide. sir keir starmer campaigned for change. well, he's got it. >> change begins now . and it >> change begins now. and it feels good. i have to be honest . feels good. i have to be honest. >> a big night for reform uk
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with large swings across the country to nigel farage and richard tice, both entered parliament for the first time. let's hear from them both . let's hear from them both. >> so i am now the member of parliament, elected for the great constituency of boston and skegness. so it's, it's the proudest moment of my life . proudest moment of my life. >> we will now be targeting labour votes. we're coming for laboun be labour votes. we're coming for labour. be in no doubt about that. >> and it was a good night for the lib dems . sir ed davey the lib dems. sir ed davey hailed it as a record breaking night for his party. >> oh, we set ourselves a target of being the third largest party, and we have surpassed it by a huge amount. this is a tremendous result . tremendous result. >> well, to reflect on these tumultuous events, we are joined now by the former justice secretary, sir brandon lewis. theo usherwood, political
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commentator matt goodwin and of course, the broadcasting legend thatis course, the broadcasting legend that is alastair stewart, where should we start? let's talk to you first, brandon , catastrophic. >> oh, yeah. i mean, there's no getting away from the fact it's a horrendously bad night, historically bad night for the conservative party. >> we haven't seen a result this bad in a century or more. >> but it's not that labour won it. it's that the tories lost it. >> yeah. no. >> yeah. no. >> and yeah, that's absolutely right. and something i said when i was on a few hours ago now, is we were going to see through the night and there's a challenge for our party and that we've lost a huge amount of ground with reform eating into our vote, also losing seats. but they got your old. >> they got your old. >> they got your old. >> my old seat. yeah. and across the country they've moved us into third place where they were coming second in seats. but we've had a similar challenge from the lib dems in other areas. this geographic shift. but one of the things we were talking about earlier on, actually, matt and i were talking about much earlier or last night, as it was now sort of losing track of the hours. but is this labour's vote share
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is a low vote share for a big majority? now that's something i think they've got to be very conscious of in terms of showing that they can deliver, because i think it also highlights that shift from an 80 conservative majority to what we're seeing now with labour, i think backs up a point i've been making, which is that i think we could see we're going to see more volatile election results and we're going to there are potentially big shifts in the next election. and i know we've only just getting but, you know, it wasn't that long ago people were talking about a ten years of a boris johnson government with an 80 majority. i think, you know , politicians need to be you know, politicians need to be conscious that the public will vote at an election on what they think is the right decision. that day, and that doesn't guarantee them several terms in government. so labour have got a real challenge in connecting with the public and delivering for them as well. >> theo, that idea, though, of having so many seats on a low vote share, what does that mean on a practical level, do you think ? think? >> i think i think the problem for keir starmer is that his majority is built like a
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sandcastle, and there is a real danger that we see reform make significant gains in 2029. now, the problem with starmer ism is that given the mess the country is in, it is a ten year project. think back to tony blair in 1997, he came in quite quickly and made some significant domestic reforms . starmer can't domestic reforms. starmer can't really do that because there's no money. he doesn't. he doesn't have the ability to lay his hands on large amounts of cash to make people better off, to invest in public services like the nhs , to reform. and these the nhs, to reform. and these things take time. and i think the danger for keir starmer and danger for labour is they all get very self—congratulatory. they start slapping themselves on the back that they've won this big landslide and they go into government and they're not able to deliver. and if you look at the vote share of reform, particularly in labour seats, well, traditionally labour seats that labour have won that actually the reform vote share has gone up significantly. i'm thinking up in houghton and sunderland. i think they've got something like 29% of the vote share in reform, and there's a real danger that if keir starmer doesn't deliver quickly and it's going to be very difficult to
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deliver quickly, given the state of the public finances that actually nigel farage is going to make significant gains in 2029. >> let's bring matt in on that. because of course, nigel farage said in his acceptance speech, i'm coming after labour now, the share of the vote, i mean , did share of the vote, i mean, did they get 4 million votes? reform yeah, nationally. >> so reform overall the vote's gone up 13. but what's happened is the conservatives have basically collapsed in the most pro—brexit parts of the country. so, you know, if you look at the less brexity seats, the conservative vote share has gone down 12 points. but but get this, it's gone down by nearly 30 points in the most pro—brexit seats. so what's happened in those areas is that big boris johnson coalition working class voters, older voters, cultural, culturally conservative voters, very sceptical about mass immigration, anxious about the small boats. basically, reform have stormed through those areas and costs the conservatives a lot of seats. so if you put the conservative, the margin of defeat for conservatives is smaller than the for vote reform in about 180 seats. so that gives you a sense of the scale
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of low level damage that nigel farage has done. even though he's got four seats, they might have five by the end of today. there's that basildon and east thurrock recount. we'll see. but what they've basically done is they've they've caused all this damage to the conservatives while also finishing second in a large swathe of labour seats . so large swathe of labour seats. so what does that mean for the 24 to 29 parliament? well i agree with theo. it means if there's by elections, farage is probably going to end up winning quite a few of those, local elections. well, if he's organised, he's going to end up doing quite well in those two. and i think in some ways keir starmer has sort of been constrained a bit by reform because even now i think labour hq will be thinking, well, hang on a minute, we better be careful on these issues around migration, around the borders. we can't actually ignore what's happening in the heartlands and is and is, is there enough there now for nigel farage to talk seriously about a realignment and about to talk about seriously about running to be forming the next government in four years time. >> five years time. >> five years time. >> oh, i mean, nigel farage just
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been given a wonderful hand of cards. it's how he plays them now. he's second in lots of labour seats. he's a viable alternative to the conservatives. he's got money flowing in. he's got a presence in the house of commons. he's got the us election in the autumn. much of europe is swinging to the right. and again, look at this election through international wins. you know, incumbent governments getting smashed because of inflation and the cost of living crisis. populist parties doing really well . voters very anxious really well. voters very anxious about immigration, labour are going to be watched very closely on that issue. they've got to get that right. and of course, scotland. here's one thing to consider. labour labour's vote in england. it won up 0.6. there is no mass enthusiasm for this labour government in england. it only surged in scotland because people were so hacked off with the snp. it went down in wales. it actually retreated in wales. so when i look at keir starmer and i think this guy's got 35, 36% of the national vote, this is not blair in 97, 2000 and 105. this is a very different kind of majority. >> the other crucial difference,
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i think, and i >> the other crucial difference, ithink, and i agree >> the other crucial difference, i think, and i agree with absolutely that and scotland is particularly interesting because in scotland labour went home having drifted off and gone to the snp and played those games and talking about independence for a while. but the other crucial difference that struck me sitting at home last night watching gb news do so brilliantly across the piece, and i hope you've bought a sleeping bag with you. you've been on television everywhere, all night long. was that actually starmer hasn't got a project. i remember , as do you project. i remember, as do you and you and you all very clearly. blair had a very clear , coherent blair had a very clear, coherent project, which was worked out with intellectual giants like charles clarke and john reid and peter mandelson, and he set about doing it with a big majority. margaret thatcher also had a big project which was worked out with john hoskyns, a whole bunch of people on the right who'd worked out what needed to be done. labour reforms , supply side reform, reforms, supply side reform, monetarism, all the rest of it.
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the only person who had a great night last night, who's got a project is nigel farage, and that manifesto from the uk reform party is exactly what liz truss wanted to do, but wanted to try and do it better. and if the less the conservative party grasp an awful lot of that from nigel farage and tice, then i think they will be in deep, deep trouble. and they will. >> i can already hear the siren voices. i heard george osborne today, the former chancellor, who's no longer in power, saying, oh, well, if they try and compete with nigel farage, they're doomed. well hang on, they're doomed. well hang on, they look pretty doomed already . they look pretty doomed already. >> there's a very, very difficult discussion. the conservative party has got to have with itself around this. it's got to look at where where is the vote that it has lost, that we need to start appealing to people to come and trust us again . and i think one of the again. and i think one of the challenges has been in the last few years , and, you know, this few years, and, you know, this has been talked about over the last couple of years, is people look at the conservative party, and i think generally one of the things they want to see from a conservative party is conservative economics. i think
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a large part of the uk personally is more socially liberal than we sometimes think. but economically we have not delivered conservative economic policies. liz did try to do that the way it went through clearly didn't, didn't, didn't work at the time. but those basic policies are getting more, tax down for people. so they have more money in their pocket, more control over their own decisions and government. getting out of the way a bit is something that's been at the heart of the conservative party is our lifeblood, and we've walked away from that. the public, therefore, look at a conservative party over the last couple of years and say, but where's the conservative policy? >> but i think, i think part of the problem, though, is that when it came to the manifestos, i mean, the reform party's manifesto was fantasy economics. it didn't add up. >> he didn't admit that, though . >> he didn't admit that, though. >> he didn't admit that, though. >> farage. yeah, yeah, but but how can the tory party, the party of financial prudence, the party of financial prudence, the party of financial prudence, the party of looking after our finances coming off the back of liz truss, suddenly embrace nigel farage's reform party manifesto when it comes to economics , this man wants to economics, this man wants to take raise the income tax threshold to 20 grand. i don't understand how you get the sums to add up. they don't add up,
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they don't need to add up. and that's the problem with nigel farage, is that the conservative party keep on looking and thinking, oh, i wish we had nigel farage. oh, wouldn't it be great if we had nigel farage, the man when it comes to his policies, when it comes to his manifesto, it's fantasy. >> oh hang on, just, just, just his policy on thresholds is exactly what david cameron and george osborne's. >> but they couldn't do because the sums don't add up. >> they made it work and they, they had to stop when it got to 12.5 grand. >> when it came to the income tax threshold, they had to freeze the income tax threshold for 40 pe at £50,000 because they couldn't get the sums to add just briefly on this, just because it's an important point. >> but there's a lot of other things in the manifesto. the reason farage is connected is not the economics. we know he's connected because of the culture. so what he's saying is, i agree with that. we can't sustain net migration at 700,000. and he's right. he's saying we've got to control the borders and we've got to get the woke ideology outside of schools. but just on the george osborne point, because this is what we're going to see in the next few days. george osborne, david cameron, william hague and others who are all going to be saying the same thing, rory stewart, what we need to go back
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to the liberal centre, what what they all think is we're still living in 2010 to 2015. we're not what's happened is the conservative coalition over the last eight years after brexit has become much more culturally conservative. so the george osborne view of conservatism is about 10 to 15% of the coalition. the much bigger part of that conservative electorate , of that conservative electorate, because they inherited the brexit voters, because they inherited the ukip voters, because they inherited the brexit party voters, is actually not where george osborne and rory stewart think. the conservative party is. so whoever takes over from rishi sunak has got to engage fully and frankly with pro—brexit , and frankly with pro—brexit, anti—immigration cultural conservatives up and down non—london england. because if they don't, this party is not just on life support. this party will be heading to the morgue. >> yes, just just on that. >> yes, just just on that. >> and just to give an example of that, if you take my old constituency, great yarmouth, won i that from labour with about 3500 majority in 2010. that's what the conservative vote in 2010 gained. my 17,600
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majority of 2019 was a mixture of boris, brexit and anti—corbyn. it was that unique thing and this is the point. the conservative party has got to think about. how does it start to re appeal to those that percentage of voters that weren't voting for us in ten and 15, they came to us on a journey. they probably were labour voters. then they came to us via ukip , via brexit, exactly us via ukip, via brexit, exactly as matt says. and we've got to weigh that up against this issue around the challenges we're seeing in the doughnut around london. those home counties where we're losing votes to the liberal democrats, which is a very different ideological battle, the one against coalition to manage , isn't it? coalition to manage, isn't it? it's a very, very difficult tent to try and keep in one tent. >> but, you know, you lost maidenhead, which was theresa may's. you lost witney david cameron's old seat. and i take matt's point. i fully i don't dispute it, by the way. but how do you how is the conservative party going to function with somebody like tom tugendhat down in tunbridge and then suella braverman and then nigel farage? >> how's the labour party going to function with, you know, lots of professional liberal middle class voters and now taking back the red wall because you're only
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going to hold the red wall like labouris going to hold the red wall like labour is only going to hold the red wall if labour actually reflects red wall values. now is david lammy going to reflect red wall values? is angela you know what, do you get a job, emily thornberry, among others. the tensions are on both sides because we have a two party system which is not quite giving expression to the fluidity in the electorate. but i think, you know, this the next big, influential decision in british politics is who is going to be the next leader of the conservative party. and that person cannot go back to the cameroon 2.0 mould that's dead, that conservatism is gone. >> the one person who did, i think one of the most emotional speeches last night was suella braverman, when she won her seat. and she looked a sense of sort of relief, but also, i would say potentially a bit of ambition behind the eyes. alastair, of what happens next for her? >> well, it's a distinct possibility, i thought. i thought equally potent, although he was a loser. was jacob's speech last night, which i
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thought was really powerful and touches everything that all of us have been talking about in the last couple of minutes. and jacob simply said, we took our core for vote granted. yeah. and i think that the tories going forward have got to work out what the core vote is first. and that's what you were talking about, brandon. and then they've got to embrace it and they've got to embrace it and they've got to embrace it and they've got to find a way through that economic minefield. because remember, the other thing that nigel and reform are talking about with the word reform is that the system itself is screwed up and is not working. and keir is going to find a civil service at its highest reaches , despite sue gray. that reaches, despite sue gray. that is still very much in that cameroonian osborn era as well. so they need a shake up too. >> and actually when it's looking at that core vote, we've also got to avoid the risk and the temptation to think about what was our core vote at the last election. >> we always there's always a risk in politics. you're fighting the last election. next time we've got to look at the next election and be planning for that. and that also means appealing to the next
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generation, which means we've got to be braver about making sure we're delivering for younger people, including on housing and issues like that. >> brandon, can i ask you a question? speaking of being, i just want to put you on the spot. but this is what the question is. this is what the question is. this is what the question is. this is what the question is going to come down to. should nigel farage and what he represents be allowed into the conservative party, should it be let into the conservative party? because i hear conservatives this morning saying, under no circumstances should nigel farage be allowed into the conservative party. well, okay. interesting response to last night's results. and others like suella saying , others like suella saying, actually, if we're realistic, we have to reunite the conservative family . family. >> yeah. no, look, it's a fair question. i think there's a this is the challenge that the party has got to work through over the next few days. and the next couple of weeks, and will play through in this discussion about who's the next leader. i think there's a difference, actually, though, in terms of the issues that nigel has been talking about and has highlighted and has connected with people around, such as immigration, and whether it's been whether we've been able to deliver on that and made promises we couldn't keep and what people care about, want to see in terms of control is
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not is not necessarily recognising that isn't the same thing as nigel himself, who has spent a lot of time in the last few weeks saying he wants to destroy the conservative party. so dealing with the same issues and finding an answer to those issues that connects for and with people isn't necessarily the same as whether you let nigel into the conservative party, which, of course, will be a decision. well, he's made that point and that will be an issue for the next leader, and that will be part of the debate in the weeks ahead. >> there's also a very realistic possibility, though, that you have a split in the conservative party. so you have tory mps going over to reform because they don't like, let's say, the tories elect a one nation or one nafion tories elect a one nation or one nation leader, and then you end up with sir ed davey as leader of the opposition, because it's the second largest party. so you end up with a much, you end up with two reform and then a sort of centre centre right conservative party. and ed davey then takes up the mantle as leader of the opposition. so the tories need to be really careful. and i don't necessarily think they'll be a formal split, but there needs to be an accommodation. the house of commons and i was parliamentary editor for in my job prior to the one before that was, you
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know, it can be and watched it. it can be a very lonely place. you can have great colleagues, you can have lots of people around you, you can form alliances. but if you're if you're a one man band or you're 3 or 4 colleagues, it can be very lonely and you can get absolutely nothing done because you need support from colleagues. and nigel farage. i know he made the comments about putin, but he needs to he needs to find it. in my opinion, he needs to find an accommodation, not just with those in the conservative party that he agrees with who would be natural bedfellows. but he also needs to find an accommodation with those more to the centre right, because if he doesn't, they're not going to get anything done in the house of commons, and they're not necessarily going to be able to cause keir starmer real problems on crucial votes. and the and the fights are there to be had with starmer. there are lots of weaknesses, very difficult to cause problems on crucial votes when you've got a majority of 170 here, but i agree. but if you could, if there's a way in particular around housing reform, if there's a way on on europe, potentially changes to, to the relationship with europe, if they can find particular picking very, very specific battles on specific issues, i think that it
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can be done because then of course you can go over to the left of the party, try and win some support from the from the lib dems say housing. they're very they talk about community relations don't they. the lib dems on housing. they're very they can be very cautious on housing. i think there are real opportunities there. if people are smart and they think about it, to pick fights and actually cause keir starmer some real so historically and that brilliant volume that iain dales published with a whole series of essays on what he and his friends see as being the turning point elections. >> if you go back to the victorian era and i, i read it over the last few days because my eldest son gave it to me and said, you must read this before the general election. a couple of huge issues like electoral reform, the great reform act and the build up to that and the corn laws and international trade and tariffs and the rest of it utterly divided the tory party and divided them from their old enemies. and through that process of intelligent, open debate , they found new open debate, they found new friends, and they found a new direction and peelite ism and
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peel and the rest of it is history. we all know that. and theyi history. we all know that. and they i think they are in a similar position as they were over electoral reform in the victorian era and free trade and the corn laws. >> you're also going to get a lot of global events playing into this debate. let's say trump wins in november. that's going to be an interesting flashpoint. you're then going to have keir starmer having to take a position on israel, gaza, where he'll not be in line with the president of the us. but i think trump's election will also make conservatives, if it happens, make them sit up and think, well, how's he holding on to the working class, to small towns, to, to all the areas that they've just lost? and in europe, i mean, you know, we've got we've got a second round in france yesterday, massive, massive election in europe. so you look at europe's moving right sharply too. so all of this in labour hq this morning i think they'll just be sitting back and thinking okay massive majority. national vote shares flatlined flatlining in england, going backwards in wales. everywhere else is going right. i mean that's going to put them in a bit of a delicate position.
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and the by elections, don't forget what's going to come. i mean potentially if the conservatives get this wrong, we could have a string of by elections. now with farage finishing ahead of the conservatives, which again will cement this narrative of they're on the way out, reform's on the way in, isn't the other issue with farage, even though at the moment they only have four, but you think that might go to five seats? >> matt? >> matt? >> well, see the recount in basildon and east thurrock this afternoon. >> is that with richard holden's seat? no no, he got him by 20. >> steve metcalf seat. >> steve metcalf seat. >> it's the other side won that seat. >> as an essex boy i know i remember i remember when we were discussing the local election results and i stuck my neck out and said, actually, labour haven't done that brilliantly. >> they've still got a lot to do before the general election and it was partly because they hadnt it was partly because they hadn't won areas like basingstoke and basildon and harlow and last night they did a lot better in those areas for the reasons that both of you have been talking about. >> they didn't break through in great yarmouth last year. >> they didn't break through in great yarmouth last year . we great yarmouth last year. we held the council, but this year reform of leapfrog straight over both parties, 17,500 majority. >> and i think that the state of
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local government finances is another huge issue. and i thought when rishi started talking about what had happened in nottingham and birmingham, he was actually on better ground than he kept going on about what was going on in wales. >> you see what what farage can probably do now , theo, is be a probably do now, theo, is be a thorn in the side of sir keir starmer, but doing it from within the house of commons. and what i mean by that is that what does farage do? he needles and he meddles and he does it via the media as much as through politics. it'll be interesting to see what he can now do with it from within. >> but, but, but but the house of commons is a vehicle votes in the house of commons is a vehicle. and i mean i spoke about planning reform and legislation. you can also do it with opposition day debates. so we saw the damage that the snp did to labour when it came to gaza. and the labour basically had to go and like nobble the speaker and say, we're going to put you out of a job. if you don't, if you don't squish this opposition day debate. so there is lots of fun and games to be had in the house of commons with various debates, various time allotted, time for various
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parties , whether it be the parties, whether it be the opposition or the government, amendments and so forth. it doesn't just have to be on primary legislation that nigel farage causes problems , but if farage causes problems, but if he wants to hurt labour, there's no point in being in the house of commons. there's no point of having one in clacton if he isn't going to use that platform that he has and his office in the house of commons, and he's going to get a load of short money as well as a result of getting four mps, potentially five, to actually try and cause keir starmer problems and lay the groundwork for 2029. >> yeah, crucial point on on on on on parliament which again we've all observed for, for many years and i've always felt it very strongly is you've got to be a good performer in that chamber as well. and we know from the european parliament that actually nigel is a damn good performer on his hind legs. and we know from pmqs week after week after week that keir isn't i think i think we're going to see some pictures now of the prime minister's entourage leaving buckingham palace. >> no we're not, no we're premature matt, it's happened already. >> yeah, i missed it on a personal level, actually . one
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personal level, actually. one disappointment for me was ben habib, who i think is a good man. i think he's a decent deputy leader. >> deputy leader? leader? >> deputy leader? leader? >> yeah, i was surprised he didn't win wellingborough given that they fought the by—election and so on. but then there are a lot of other seats where farage and ukip did well, you know, rochester and strood, places like that in kent, parts of essex. but what you see with their support is that east flank, that east england flank and parts of the red wall where they're basically, you know, what's happened is farage has inherited the post—brexit realignment. he's inheriting it from the conservatives that's what's happening. lockdown anger part. well, i don't really think lockdown was too, too relevant here, but i think mainly this is about immigration, legal and illegal. and it's a sense that people are very, very frustrated with this kind of westminster politics and what's been going on in and around the country. okay, okay. >> thanks, matt. >> thanks, matt. >> we're just going to you're with britain's newsroom with gb news. we're going to be talking we're going to be expecting to see sir keir starmer on his way to buckingham to meet the king he can become officially our next prime
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break. >> welcome back to this historic morning. it is 1128 on gb news. sir keir starmer will be on his way to buckingham palace very sooi'i. 500“. >> soon. >> big part of the official handoven >> big part of the official handover. it is. you can't be prime minister unless he speaks to the king. let's speak to gb news royal correspondent cameron walker, who is poised and waiting at buckingham palace . waiting at buckingham palace. cameron, when are we expecting to see him? what's the word ? to see him? what's the word? >> well, we're expecting him very, very shortly, andrew, because i've just received him in the last couple of minutes. statements from buckingham palace, which reads the right honourable rishi sunak mp had an audience with the king. this morning and tendered his resignation as prime minister and first lord of the treasury, which his majesty was graciously pleased to accept. now we know dunng pleased to accept. now we know during that audience that that rishi sunak recommended that sir keir starmer should form the next administration to the king, which triggers the fact that the king will then summon the labour
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leader to buckingham palace. having won that huge labour majority to form the next administration and thus become prime minister. about ten minutes or so ago, we saw that i was about to say prime minister. then of course, he's not anymore, rishi sunak's car, come through the kind of garden gates here and through the north gates of buckingham palace and drive off away from downing street and away from central london. so he is well and truly left the building. so all eyes now are very much on sir keir starmer. perhaps it's a bit poignant for the king because rishi sunak was the king because rishi sunak was the king's second prime minister, because his first prime minister, of course , liz prime minister, of course, liz truss, only lasted for about six weeks. and every week since then, the king has held a weekly audience with prime minister rishi sunak. of course, details of what was said in that private audience very much remain private. but as rishi sunak said, h in downing street, there he is going to go and see the king to to, resign and recommend that sir keir should form a government. so it's all very civil and it's all very
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democratic. but of course the king being head of state, has the final say . and of course the final say. and of course we've got we are we have been also given some details from, buckingham palace about exactly what is going to be happening when rishi sunak comes to buckingham palace, which we expect will be happening in the next half an hour or so. so on arrival at buckingham palace, sir keir starmer, accompanied by his wife , the north centre gate his wife, the north centre gate and across the forecourts into the quadrangle and sir keir starmer will be greeted at the door by the king's private secretary and equerry before being taken into the palace to, of course, have that private audience and be invited to form audience and be invited to form a government. >> all right, that's cameron cameron walker at buckingham palace. and of course, we will bnng palace. and of course, we will bring you the moment when sir keir starmer arrives. and i think we're going to hear from him. theo esther ghey you're saying around 1220, 12 1220 outside number 10, outside number 10, when he will be prime minister, he will be prime minister. >> and then we will get starting in the early afternoon, the home cabinets. >> it's very exciting going into
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the house of lords cabinet we've already got. >> i wouldn't be so sure. >> i wouldn't be so sure. >> you think 1 or 2 changes. >> you think 1 or 2 changes. >> there might be 1 or changes. >> the foreign secretary is in trouble. >> i think the foreign i think the shadow foreign secretary might well be in trouble. look out for the brownites, i'm told. what about douglas? douglas? alexander? >> he's come back into government. come back. he lost in scotland. >> two of the shadow cabinet lost their seats. >> they did. the shadow culture secretary is out and jonathan ashworth he was shadow minister without portfolio. >> so there are a couple. there's some. there are a few vacant couple of vacancies there to fill, i'm told. i'm told what keir starmer wants to do is he wants to get away from this constantly changing cabinet. he wants to try and bring some stability to government. and that will mean that there will be fewer reshuffles. the cabinet will be there for about for about a year, and then he might make some changes then. >> but i wrote about this in the mail. i wrote a piece saying, has anyone seen david lammy, who's about to become one of the great officeholders of state? >> there was a where is the where is the there was a there was a he was there and there was a policeman behind him. >> there was there was a
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problem, wasn't there on the recent trip to the white house? well, to america. and he couldn't get in the room with trump. >> and i think he said such terrible things about it. yeah. >> yes. >> yes. >> could you miss sociopath but also he just said recently in an interview, i think it was on lbc, he said that trans men could grow a cervix with the sufficient amount of hormones. yeah. >> i don't know how that quite. i'm not sure that's necessarily particularly problematic in his role as it would be particularly problematic as well as the next prime. four fs a sociopath as a woman. yeah, yeah , yeah, sorry, woman. yeah, yeah, yeah, sorry, but no, but but in terms of relations with biden or or trump. but i think the problem is that the comments that he's made about trump. yeah. and and that makes it difficult to see how that would go. >> go ahead. well, i take your point completely actually called netanyahu a war criminal. >> right. >> right. >> we have to go. sophia we're late for the news here. >> sophia, i forgot that. >> sophia, i forgot that. >> bev. thank you. good morning. i'm sophia wenzler from the gb newsroom at 1132 with an
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election recap . the outgoing election recap. the outgoing prime minister has left downing street for the last time. in his final speech, outside number 10, rishi sunak said he was sorry for his party's election defeat and confirmed he would step down as a leader of the conservatives to the country. >> i would like to say first and foremost, i am sorry i have given this job my all, but you have sent a clear signal that the government of the united kingdom must change, and yours is the only judgement that matters. i have heard your angen matters. i have heard your anger, your disappointment, and itake anger, your disappointment, and i take responsibility for this loss to all the conservative candidates and campaigners who work tirelessly, but without success.i work tirelessly, but without success. i am sorry that we could not deliver what your efforts deserved . it pains me to efforts deserved. it pains me to think how many good colleagues who contributed so much to their communities and our country will now no longer sit in the house
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of commons after that short farewell speech, mr sunak took his wife's hand and departed downing street for the last time. >> he's now left buckingham palace, making his way for his successor to become britain's fourth prime minister in under two years. change begins now, with the words of britain's next prime minister as he claimed a stunning landslide victory for laboun stunning landslide victory for labour. striking an optimistic tone, sir keir starmer said people would wake up this morning to the sunlight of hope, which was shining once again after 14 years of conservative rule. the tories are left with just 120 seats, an extraordinary turnaround from the last election, which saw boris johnson command a historic win. this time labour scooped up 412 seats, far more than the 326 needed to secure a majority. the liberal democrats also triumphed , liberal democrats also triumphed, winning 71 seats, a huge increase from its previous total of 11. that left the snp with nine and reform uk with four.
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sir keir starmer is due to meet his majesty the king at buckingham palace soon, where he'll traditionally be asked to form the next government. those are the latest gb news headlines. for now, i'm sophia wenzler more in half an hour. >> cheers. britannia wine club proudly sponsors the gb news financial report , and here's financial report, and here's a quick snapshot of today's markets. >> the pound will buy you $1.2752 and ,1.1809. the price of gold is £1,847, and £0.98 per ounce, and the ftse 100 are 8231 points. >> cheers britannia wine club sponsoi's the gb news financial report
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>> well, we've got quite a party in here, actually , we joined in here, actually, we joined lots of talk about. >> we're joined by more people in the studio than the conservative party >> start in politics. >> start in politics. >> nearly as many as the snp and legendary broadcaster alison stewart . stewart. >> and the former tory mp, soon to be ennobled , craig mckinley. to be ennobled, craig mckinley. so we'll have to start calling you lord. lord mckinley of. >> i haven't decided the of yet. no, no, that's in the mix. gb news in the mix. no, it's in the mix. jul. yeah, that'll be something for my wife and i to discuss this afternoon. >> discuss it with the lady mckinley. >> exactly. mckinley can we talk about turnout? >> matt. what was . what was it? >> matt. what was. what was it? how did it play out yesterday? the turnout was all right. better than expected. no, it's like low . like low. >> it's a second, it's around 2005 levels, so it's about 60. there are two. there are two. interesting things about this election. i think that we're going to come and reflect more on in over the next week. one is
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turnout being being sharply down, especially in lots of those traditionally safe labour seats, 5,455. but secondly, i this is the one of the lowest combined shares of the vote for the two big parties that we've got since the emergence of the two party system. so again, you've got another symptom there of lots of voters just being very, very frustrated and fed up with politics. it's a punishment election. you know, they punished the snp by voting labourin punished the snp by voting labour in scotland. they punish the conservatives by voting labour across much of england. they punish labour in wales, by the way, because the vote share went down four points in wales. so again you know incumbents cost of living crisis, inflation, public service is not working in a way everybody sort of got punished. >> matthew goss coming there on the 2005 when the turnout was very low. wasn't that when tony blair said all can have a postal vote at will? that was an attempt at the time to try and get enfranchisement up and to make things look a bit more legitimate, to think we've now
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got such an easy system for postal votes. and we back to those levels of engagement is actually quite worrying. >> yeah, i think that's a good point. and you know, again, i mean, 2005 came after the war in iraq, came after a long period of new labour dominance, it's going to be interesting to see. and also the age divide. let's keep an eye on that. it's a 30 point age divide between baby boomers and zoomers . gen z at boomers and zoomers. gen z at the last election. let's see if that's changed at all. my students not engaged at all in this election. >> how much of the low turnout was tory voters thinking? i just can't bear it. so. >> so if you look at what happened to the 2019 conservative vote, yeah, about 20% went labour, about 30 to 35% went reform, and then about the same share, about 30% went into apathy. so apathy is a big enemy of conservatism at the moment. it's not just that people have flipped to nigel farage. it's that lots more actually stayed at home. they didn't vote at all. so the conservatives have got to get them back. and that also raises a question. well, why didn't labour get them to come out and vote? why didn't labour win them over? and as i
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said earlier on, remember in england the labour vote went up 0.6, 0.6. i mean, take away london and i bet labour the labour share went down. >> i think i think there's also a point to be made that, you know, the punishment for the tories was that they didn't deliver on their promises. >> right. they failed to encapsulate brexit or make brexit turn out the way people expected it to . and now you can expected it to. and now you can make the argument that the way it was set up was never going to succeed on small boats. rishi sunak. perceived to fail to stop small boats. now, keir starmer, when you look at that particular policy, if you look at the actual detail of what his policy, the policy differentiation compared to rishi sunak by the fact he's not doing rwanda, it's only that he wants to make his central boat command centre that he set up to have counter—terrorism powers so that he can work across borders. and i think there's a real danger that keir starmer, given the constraints which he's working under, doesn't actually deliver on the big promises. and so he then feels the incumbent ,
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so he then feels the incumbent, the backlash against the incumbency. keir starmer feels at the next election. so he will get punished as rishi sunak has been punished in this election and i just and if he doesn't have on immigration, that will be particularly on the economic agenda of the sunak pledges about kerbing inflation that allowed keir and rachel reeves and the rest of labour to say it's nothing to do with you, sunshine. >> that's the bank of england, thanks to gordon brown and ed balls and growth. >> no, but if he if he if he can, if he can deliver, if he can, if he can deliver, if he can, if he can deliver, if he can, if he can make the lives of people better in places like clacton and in boston , skegness, clacton and in boston, skegness, then fair juice, i clacton and in boston, skegness, then fairjuice, i think. then fair juice, i think. >> i think keir starmer will fare much better at the next election than than he would otherwise do. but i think there's a question mark about how he actually secures that. you know, he actually makes a difference to people's lives within the space of five years. i think he could probably quite easily do it within ten years. he could. the country is in a mess. he could sort the country out and then move on to that. but right now, going from the
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mess we are in as a country today, to sort the country out and then make people's lives better with all of the headwinds outside. when you think about what might be happening in america , what might be happening america, what might be happening in europe, i think it's just too tall an order as of now. and i think there's a real danger that he sets himself up for a very, very difficult five years. >> and craig, as an arch—brexiteer, are you concerned that brexit, the brexit, not the ideal brexit anyway? is it going to be watered down? >> yeah, of course i know some of his shadow ministers and ministers today have said, no, we're not going back in the customs union, the single market, we're not joining, you know, free movement of people and we're not joining the eu. okay. but there's lots of back door routes of doing things, sir keir has said, yeah, we want to sort of ape eu rules to make sure that trade flows more freely. you know, let's not let's talk really frankly about trade. it's at levels that it's always been before we're actually before we actually left the european union. so that really doesn't hold any water. but the trouble is you could be in the worst of all worlds, having to take on all of those
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rules and regulations, thousands of pages on them, of them with absolutely no say whatsoever. the worst of everything. and people will see through that, and you might lose a big loss. could be cptpp. yeah, we could be losing that. that's the that's the trans—pacific partner pacific partnership of trade, which could be the biggest dividend of brexit we've ever seen. hasn't haven't quite seen it all through yet. but if he starts aping eu rules cp tpp crowd will say we're not really serious about this, are you? you better not join. and that could better not join. and that could be very serious. >> just briefly on this because remember the biggest conservative losses at this election came in the strongest seats for the brexit vote. that's the one thing every person positioning for the conservative leadership has to remember. it was the core pro—brexit anti—immigration vote that got smashed. what's so frustrating about where we're going to go with labour? i think closer relationship with the eu is that's going to happen exactly the same time as the eu is basically imploding. you've got you've got west and east divided over cultural values.
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you've got north and south divided over the economy. you've got le pen about to take control potentially of france. you've got populism, you know, on steroids. why would we not want to reposition, why would we not want to say, let's get an ambitious trade deal with america. let's double down on the new free trade agreements that we've got with other parts of the world. let's be nimble, flexible, independent, like we were with ukraine, like we were with the covid jabs. i look at the labour government. i just see such a lack of ambition when it comes to who we are. they don't seem to believe in our ability to be a sovereign nation. >> we. sorry gentlemen, we to take another quick break. but a
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right. it's been a busy old morning here of course. the morning here of course. the morning after the general election. and what a bloodbath that has been for the tories. >> they've been left with just 121 mp5 >> they've been left with just 121 mps with big beasts, including defence secretary grant shapps, former prime minister liz truss. they're out.
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rishi sunak, of course, has resigned. he's tendered his resignation to the king. let's have a little listen to what he said outside number 10. >> i will shortly be seeing his majesty the king to offer my resignation as prime minister to the country. i would like to say, first and foremost, i am sorry i have given this job my all. but you have sent a clear signal that the government of the united kingdom must change. and yours is the only judgement that matters . that matters. >> well, joining us now is professor of politics and author doctor tim bale. good morning, tim. good morning. >> i'm not sure he's there yet. >> i'm not sure he's there yet. >> there he is. yes he is right. >> there he is. yes he is right. >> morning, tim, so your reflections, what do we what do we know about the state of this country, given this results last night? because we're describing it as a tory bloodbath. but actually, labour did not get a particularly big share of the votes compared to last time.
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>> no, that's true , but it's >> no, that's true, but it's always true that oppositions don't win elections, governments lose them, i think the turnout probably made a difference to labour as well. all those polls meant that it was a bit of a foregone conclusion, to be honest. and it's also true, i think, that many voters couldn't see that much difference between labour and the conservatives, and that depresses the to , vote and that depresses the to, vote tim, you've been watching general elections for years and years in terms of history, this is the biggest majority since 1997 and the worst tory defeat in modern times. >> so does this make this are we right to say it is an historic election result? >> yeah. i mean, as you've already suggested, in some ways it's not so historic for labour in the sense that its majority is not that great, but certainly for the conservative party this is a terrible defeat to gain a majority of 80 at one election and then to come so far behind in the election after that
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really is unprecedented. you'd have to go back actually to 1945 for that to happen, in 1935, the conservatives fighting as a national government won an overwhelming majority. ten years later, they blew it. but of course, there was a small thing called the second world war. between those two dates, what i was going to say, tim, i mean, we the tory party has always been described as one of the most successful political parties in the western world. >> can it come back? >> can it come back? >> i mean, the tory party does have a record of dusting itself off and, you know, returning to power the problem for them, i think, will be if they chase off too far to the right in to order try and squeeze down the reform vote, forgetting that of course, they did lose an awful lot of votes to the centre to labour and the liberal democrats. so they've got to try and find a way of balancing. if you like those two, those two problems and fighting, if you like, on two fronts. if you go back to
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1997, of course, it did take another couple of election defeats before they, quote unquote, came to their senses or smelled the coffee and, elected a leader who was prepared to actually make some compromises with the electorate. >> tim, as a professor of politics, do you think this the way we describe politics as the left versus the right, that paradigm needs a kind of evolution as some sort of revision? now, does it still hold true as definitions? >> well, i mean, i think what we try to do now without getting too much into the jargon of it, is to see politics in two dimensions. so we still use that left right dimension because people do still have, you know, different opinions as to how much the tax, takes should be and how much government should spend. but they also have very strong feelings on what we call cultural issues. so we try and look at those two dimensions. now >> okay . and where would you. so >> okay. and where would you. so you see we've got the highest tax burden under a conservative
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government. you might say under under a right wing government. we've got this record tax. so for me and it appears to be very little there was incentive to bnng little there was incentive to bring that down. obviously we have a huge deficit, i get that. but labour also is talking about bringing down tax, and also when it comes to immigration, do we, do we feel that the labour are taking a what you might see as a traditionally left wing position on migration ? on migration? >> no, i think that's in some ways, a key to keir starmer's victory, he hasn't gone for that kind of ultra liberal approach that perhaps jeremy corbyn and labour took in 27 and 2019. he's made it very clear that he still intends to reduce migration as much as possible, albeit doing it a different way. i don't think he has very much confidence in the rwanda plan, and that will be scrapped. so he's talked about more intelligence led policing. he's talked about processing asylum seekers faster. and he's also talked, obviously, when it comes
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to legal migration, about trying to legal migration, about trying to upskill british workers so that they can do some of the jobs that currently we employ people from overseas to do, whether that will be any more successful than the conservatives, rather more, if you like, restrictive or draconian approach, who knows? i think to be honest, politicians need to start being, serious with people and suggest that immigration actually isn't a problem that you can quote unquote solve in the end, it is something you can only manage . something you can only manage. >> all right. that's doctor tim bell, who is, of course, professor of politics at queen mary university in london. thanks for joining mary university in london. thanks forjoining us. we're going to go live now to buckingham palace, where cameron walker is awaiting the arrival of the man who will shortly be our new prime minister, our first labour prime minister to win an election since tony blair back in 2005. cameron >> yes, andrew. good morning. well buckingham palace gates has just opened. we are expecting the labour leader, sir keir starmer, to arrive at buckingham palace in the next five minutes
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or so, just to talk you through what we can expect over the next half an hour or so , so sir keir half an hour or so, so sir keir starmer will arrive with his wife , lady starmer. they'll be wife, lady starmer. they'll be dnven wife, lady starmer. they'll be driven through the north centre gates, which is the one that's just opened behind me and across the forecourts into the quadrangle of the palace. there he's going to be greeted at the king's door, which is the door which enters the north wing of the palace by sir clive alderton, the principal private secretary to the king and queen. now starmer knows sir clive pretty well, because a couple of weeks ago, during the state visit of japan, both of them sat to next each other at the state banquet inside the ballroom. the sir keir starmer is also going to be greeted by one of the kings at kyrees. they're going. he's then going to be taken inside the palace, into the private audience room, where he will be greeted by his majesty the king. following rishi sunak recommendation, the king is going to invite sir keir starmer, leader of the labour party, with a big majority , to party, with a big majority, to form the next administration. i believe sir keir starmer has
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just entered the, the, the, the precincts of, buckingham palace. but he will be invited to form a new administration and thus become the next prime minister of the united kingdom. we're not sure how long exactly the audience is going to take place, but we do expect it to be relatively short after the king has what they call kiss . that's has what they call kiss. that's what the court circular is going to record of this meeting. it's not a literal kissing of hands that happens way in the past, but it will be a handshake. we will be expecting a photograph as well, but it's at that point that sir keir starmer becomes. ianed that sir keir starmer becomes. invited into the private audience room to meet his majesty the king, there will be a bit of chinwagging back and forth before the new prime minister and his wife get into one of the ministerial cars, drive out of buckingham palace, down the mall towards downing street to deliver a speech. his new home, of course, at number 10 downing street. now the king and sir keir starmer do know
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each other relatively well. they have been mingling at a number of receptions over the last couple of years , notably most couple of years, notably most recently at this at saint james's palace for ukraine recovery reception . but they. recovery reception. but they. keir starmer hasn't been perhaps an absolute devout monarchist because in 2005 he was recorded saying when he became a member of the queen's counsel when he was a human rights lawyer, he said it's odd that i've been made a member of the queen's counsel because and i quote, i often used to propose for the abolition of the monarchy. well, clearly he has left his republican sentiments behind since his youth. and the king has praised. sorry. keir starmer has praised. sorry. keir starmer has praised. sorry. keir starmer has praised the king on a number of occasions for his social and environmental credentials. the king, of course, cannot be political, but he does have the power to advise, guide and warn sir keir starmer in his new role as prime minister of the united kingdom. the king is also incredibly mindful of the cost of living, something that sir keir starmer is going to be tackling, and that is perhaps something they will be discussing during their weekly
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audiences inside buckingham palace. so the king meets his prime minister on a weekly basis, usually on a wednesday, following prime minister's questions to talk about the issues of the day. those audiences remain incredibly private. no prime minister talks about exactly what the king says or what is discussed during . or what is discussed during. much what we're expecting to happen during the course of this new administration, which the labour government is setting up now. we're expecting sir keir starmer to arrive at buckingham palace at around midday , which palace at around midday, which is in one minutes time. we have just seen a car pull in. obviously it's quite difficult to see exactly who is going to be inside the car. but before sir keir arrives, we had, rishi sunak of course, the leader of the conservative party, but he tendered his resignation to his majesty the king and recommended actually that sir keir starmer should form the new administration following the major labour majority. so it's
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all very civil, it's all very formulaic, it's all very democratic. but of course it's the king as head of state. it remains one of the few remaining prerogative powers that the king has, and that is appointing a prime minister. no other person in this country can appoint a prime minister other than his majesty the king, who is above politics. he's above the law. it is. but it is to appoint a prime minister. but he will only do that. he will only appoint somebody as prime minister if they have the ability to command they have the ability to command the confidence of the house of commons. rishi sunak lost that, that that power to command the confidence of the house of commons when he lost his majority of the conservative mps. keir starmer complete opposite. he has over 400 mps. he's way over the magic number of 3 to 6 mps needed to form a government. so it's pretty crystal clear. back in 2010, it wasn't very crystal clear. it wasn't very crystal clear. it was a hung parliament, so it was a bit of tooing and throwing, and it took a while for the late queen to decide or to be recommended who was going to form administration. in the end,
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