very formulaic, it's all very democratic. but of course it's the king as head of state. it remains one of the few remaining prerogative powers that the king has, and that is appointing a prime minister. no other person in this country can appoint a prime minister other than his majesty the king, who is above politics. he's above the law. it is. but it is to appoint a prime minister. but he will only do that. he will only appoint somebody as prime minister if they have the ability to command they have the ability to command the confidence of the house of commons. rishi sunak lost that, that that power to command the confidence of the house of commons when he lost his majority of the conservative mps. keir starmer complete opposite. he has over 400 mps. he's way over the magic number of 3 to 6 mps needed to form a government. so it's pretty crystal clear. back in 2010, it wasn't very crystal clear. it wasn't very crystal clear. it was a hung parliament, so it was a bit of tooing and throwing, and it took a while for the late queen to decide or to be recommended who was going to form administration. in the end,

it was david cameron , a in it was david cameron, a in a coalition government. the conservatives with the lib dem, but this time very clear. but it's going to be a labour majority. sir keir starmer, of course. is going to be prime minister very , very shortly minister very, very shortly indeed. but the king has had to cut short his holyrood week, early. that is the week for the usually traditionally spends in scotland forming, in in scotland every year in the capital city, in edinburgh, at the palace of holyrood house, he carried out a number of engagements earlier this week, trying to cram in as much as possible, but of course he had to come back to london early. he stayed at windsor castle last night before he came here to central london this morning to be at buckingham palace in time to, of course, greet the former prime minister, rishi sunak, and, of course, meet the prime, the new prime minister or prime minister to be, i should say, sir keir starmer, the leader of the labour party. >> thanks. >> thanks. >> cameron was there much of a reaction from the crowd gathering and building behind

you when rishi sunak arrived this morning and was there any kind of, you know, response? was there congratulation messages, farewell messages, any booing or cheering? what was the reaction like? >> so the crowd is actually pretty big here, despite the torrential rain which has just stopped at the moment. actually, there was one political banner which we can't work out exactly what it says, but it's certainly a red banner. we believe labour is on it, but i think a vast majority are actually tourists. just very interesting to see what is going on, to be perfectly honest. but i think i suspect there certainly are a few political people here wanting to see both. the former prime minister, rishi sunak, turn up to buckingham palace and of course, sir keir starmer as well. the prime minister to be. he will not be prime minister until king charles invites him to do so. so in terms of the atmosphere, there was no booing , atmosphere, there was no booing, there was no cheering. it was all very kind of civil. it's all very formulaic. it's something which buckingham palace and the royal court is a very used to.

of course, this is the king's third prime minister of his reign, bearing in mind he's only been on the throne for just over kind of two, two years or so, or almost two years, i should say . almost two years, i should say. >> okay. well, thank you very much indeed, cameron walker, for being there outside buckingham palace on such a momentous day. you are now with the good afternoon britain team, this time with ben liu and of course , time with ben liu and of course, myself. emily carver, thank you very much indeed for tuning in to vote 2024. what a day we'll decide. >> what a day, what an evening, a red dawn breaks over britain. >> a red dawn breaks over britain. and with us in the studio to digest everything that is going on today is sam richards. sam richards, a former conservative special adviser. thank you very much indeed for being here. we have christine quigley, a former labour special adviser, and emma webb, political commentator. thank you very much indeed. sam richard, former former conservative special adviser. you are your thoughts on today? >> well, i think that the result is a, clear sign. i think well,

first i should say it is possible to overcomplicate this result and working people across this country are poorer now than they were five years ago. that is why people have given the conservative party a kicking, and why the conservative party has been kicked out of office. and the reason why working people are poorer is because we have failed to build new houses and give young people the chance to get on the housing ladder, new sources of clean energy, to bnng new sources of clean energy, to bring down bills and new sources of transport. so to get back to power, the conservative party is going to have to get serious about. >> and there's an issue, isn't there? there's an issue because everyone within the conservative party seems to have a different, different thinking, different thoughts when it comes to what's gone wrong, >> there's calls from your cohorts this morning that warnings that the tories should not quote lurch to the right, whatever that means. i mean, for some it just means sticking to their manifesto promises of

bringing down migration and so on. but isn't it the fact that because the tories didn't lurch to the right or keep to their promises that they're in the predicament they are now, i don't think it's a question of left or right. >> i think it is a question of bafic >> i think it is a question of basic delivery. as i say, it is really possible to overcomplicate this. of course, immigration was an issue at this election. of course it was too high and it is going to have to come down. but the fundamental. >> sam, i'm just going to interrupt you very quickly just to explain what we're looking at here. we are of course, looking outside downing street, hordes of labour supporters, advisers, politicians and the like waiting there. it looks as though the sun may be creeping out. it's been a miserable morning in central london today, but the sun is coming out there. you can see some union flags being handed out, presumably to wave as keir starmer, a sign that the new labour party, sir keir starmer's labour party, is now patriotic . patriotic. >> we saw it with their campaign leafleting, the union jacks, flying everywhere , which was, flying everywhere, which was, i guess was a stark contrast to

the tenure of, say, jeremy corbyn, who, by the way , corbyn, who, by the way, interestingly, sir keir starmer's victory overnight with a lower vote share than jeremy corbyn in 2019 and 2017. >> yes, very interesting indeed. should we bring in christine quigley? thank you very much. you are a former labour special adviser. watching these scenes outside downing street. presumably you are elated . presumably you are elated. >> it's incredibly exciting. i think for those of us of a labour persuasion who have seen four elections in a row, where the party has sort of failed to take back the country and convince people that labour is the party of change and of growth. but i think it is also just a really exciting day for the country. so when i've been out and about talking to people on the doorstep during this election , the overwhelming election, the overwhelming message was that people wanted change after 14 years of the conservatives. and as sam said , conservatives. and as sam said, people are not feeling like they're as well off as they were really under the last labour government. so what we've seen now is new labour mps from the very, very north of scotland, down through to the very, very south of england. so all over the country people have voted for change. >> do you not think, christine,

this was an election that the conservatives threw away as opposed to labour winning? because, as i just mentioned, there was a lower vote share than corbyn on two occasions. in fact, even a lower vote share than david cameron got when he won a coalition in 2010. so the enthusiasm it's been said for keir starmer and labour really isn't there. it's just the tories are so torrid. >> the big difference here is that keir starmer has won the election and jeremy corbyn didn't so very conscious of the comments about vote share. labour has run an incredibly organised and effective campaign , organised and effective campaign, which has got the votes out in seats all across the country, rather than kind of piling them up in traditional labour constituencies . sure, people constituencies. sure, people have definitely wanted change and some people may well have lent their votes to labour and now keir starmer has got an opportunity and he's got a majority over the next five years to try and demonstrate to people that they were right to trust him. >> it's interesting, though, emma, isn't it quite a low turnout predicted to be the lowest in 20 years. a small vote share for the labour party than one might have expected.

>> i think the fact that that keir starmer has won such a big majority, with such a low vote share and such a low turnout, which is completely historic , which is completely historic, actually proves your point, ben, that this is more about the conservatives defeat than it is about keir starmer's win. i also, i disagree respectfully with sam. i think that this is about more than just people feeling that they're less well off. i think there's a much more profound malaise and sense of disenfranchisement across the country. yes. >> i mean, if people aren't bothering to turn up at the polling station, there's a reason for that. anyway, we're going to go to downing street because our political editor , because our political editor, christopher hope, he's been up all night with us, but he joins us now, still there at downing street. christopher, tell us the scenes you're watching. tell us what's happening. >> hi, emily. yeah. hi, ben. what you'll see behind me . what you'll see behind me. there's some activist labour activists, their volunteers and staffers waving their union flags there. they've been giving them just now because they're waiting to welcome in. sir keir

starmer's prime minister. we'll hear from sir keir starmer giving a statement on the downing street. step behind me at 1220 and he'll move very quickly to establish his government. we're told he'll create his new cabinet by the close of play tonight. more junior ministers appointed tomorrow saturday and of course next week. a very huge week for the new prime minister. he goes to america on tuesday for a nato summit, a massive meeting to an anniversary meeting of nato in washington when he'll position on the world stage. now that rishi sunak has quit as pm. just an hour or an hour or so ago. so this is the nature of our politics here. there were about 15 advisers for the labour party just down the road from me here, about 40 minutes after rishi sunak left office, because this is the nature of our democracy. as soon as the result happens, one in, one out, we move on. other countries take, take months to do this. we do it in hours in minutes even. and that's part of the first past the post system . well, here the post system. well, here probably a bit from from the in

that speech from sir keir, sir keir starmer, the kind of language we heard at 5 am. this morning, when i was with him in the turbine hall in tate britain. he said then that a change begins now. he said a weight's been lifted, a burden removed from this great nation. he said, a sunlight of hope while the sun has just come out in time for sir keir starmer's speech and the opportunity, he says, for this country to get its future back and he'll stress the need, need a public service country before party is the big sir keir starmer message. but we'll be hearing from him around 1220 shortly on gb news chopper. >> it's, of course, sir keir starmer's first day in office. his tenure begins, but during the campaign he suggested that friday nights would be an evening off. what's he going to be doing tonight? do you think? >> well, we did ask him, actually. ben on tuesday. will you take this friday off after 6 pm? he said no very firmly. he's got a lot of work to do. he's got a lot of work to do. he's signed letters. if he's if he's incapacitated, what happens next? and when should the

nuclear weapons be fired? all the important deep state stuff that we rightly never hear about. he's doing all that tonight. i mean, i think he was trying to explain to us when he was asked about that, he meant that he was trying to preserve some time for his children of course, when you're the pm, you have very little time of your own. so he's trying to farm it out. i mean, david cameron did something similar with his children when he was prime minister. he tried to take time off whenever he could. i think it was used to damage him, i think by his tory critics. but he meant simply that when he can, he'll take time off for the family and chopper, you mentioned, keir starmer already has his advisers in place. >> they're getting to work rather quickly. >> yeah. they haven't yet gone into the front door. emily. they're all in the crowd behind me, paul, if you look to the left, to the left of the of the 10 downing street door, you'll see them there. so what should happenis see them there. so what should happen is sir keir starmer will walk up number 10. he'll say hello to his supporters here with their union flags, with his wife , lady starmer, victoria

wife, lady starmer, victoria starmer. he'll say some words on the steps of downing street. then he goes in, will welcome him and applaud him in. and the staff who are gathered here, who want to work with him, will follow him in and that will be the beginning of five years of labour government . labour government. >> just a very quick question. i'm not sure if you know the answer . it's i'm not sure if you know the answer. it's quite a niche constitutional point, but in the interim between rishi sunak visiting the king to tender his resignation and sir keir starmer meeting the king, who's in charge. >> yeah , that's a great >> yeah, that's a great question. >> and i, i don't know the answer. thank you for asking me asking me ben on air. that's great. no, i think it is that, there was there was a narrow point before the before the pm is sworn in. as as keir starmer would be. no one is in charge. but of course, they know the way it will work is it would be keir starmer would take any big choices after he won the election. but technically there's no one in charge. ben. >> okay, chopper from downing

street, thanks very much. we'll be back with you as soon as we can. >> yes. as soon as keir starmer is on his way. >> but yes, joining us in the studio is still sam richards, a former conservative special adviser. christine quigley, a former labour special adviser. and emma webb, who is of course , and emma webb, who is of course, a regular political commentator on the show. sam i'll start with you again. keir starmer, he has a big task ahead of him, doesn't it? he knows that his mandate isn't completely fulsome, that a lot of the country did not vote for him, that potentially they are not supportive of the labour manifesto. he needs to prove to the nation that he is the man for the long run . for the long run. >> sure. i mean, he has just let's have this right. he has just won. i think the largest labour majority in history. correct me if i'm wrong, and again, i'll come back to this point at the heart of that , the point at the heart of that, the centre of that manifesto was delivering planning reform to get britain building. and that is going to be absolutely vital if they're going to hit their targets for growth, if they're going to be able to then spend

more money on public services, if they're going to hit their targets for clean energy, they've got incredibly ambitious, clean energy targets. and to get anywhere near them, they're going to have to year one, day one. the first thing they're going to have to crack on with is planning reform. and they've got that mandate for that in the manifesto. >> let's be honest about that, though. that is a task that the conservatives have tried to do. and the battles, particularly at the local level, have been tremendous. >> it's hard. >> it's hard. >> it's hard. >> it's incredibly hard stuff. but he has the mandate for it now. he has the majority for it now. he has the majority for it now. it has never been so front and central to a campaign as it was at this election. he needs to crack on. >> so christine, there's no excuses from here on from sir keir starmer. are we going to find in a year's time when maybe the u—turns come and the excuses come, he's going to blame maybe the state of affairs. he was left by the tories. >> i think that labour all throughout this campaign, and really for most of the last yean really for most of the last year, has been incredibly clear about particularly the terrible state that the conservatives have left public finances in. so almost they've kind of come in and under promise so that they can over deliver. labour is really, really aware that all of its plans around getting more

teachers on the ground, dealing with the nhs backlog, building 300,000 more homes, which we desperately need, they're all really, really dependent on delivering growth . so that is delivering growth. so that is absolutely going to be labour's focus. going forward. and they've always been very, very clear about that. >> emma webb well you're sitting there with an interesting look on your face to say the least. >> good luck to them trying to deal with the housing crisis if they don't deal with immigration first. and nigel farage has made this point that i think it's something like having to build a home every two minutes or something ridiculous like that. so if they're if they're going to scrap the rwanda scheme, and i'm not entirely convinced that their plans to deal with immigration are anything other than fluff, if they don't manage to get our borders under control, then they're going to struggle to keep up with the housing demand, but to be honest, i think, and going back to, to the point about the, the amount of vote share versus, yes, you know , he has he has won yes, you know, he has he has won an extraordinarily large majority. but let's not kid ourselves. this is not 1997. he doesn't have the kind of mandate that tony blair had, because the

reality is that the majority of the country, as i said before, there's such malaise that people just simply didn't get out to vote. and he has such a low vote share that it can't really be said that he has that much of mandate. >> it's an interesting point. i see you shaking your head, christine. of course, but there was a survey that was done on labour voters, and the top reason people came out to vote for the labour party was to get rid of the tories. that was the message. it wasn't the manifesto. it wasn't necessarily the policies. they do have something to prove. >> sure. look, keir starmer has won over 400 seats. he has a strong mandate to govern. and he's been very, very clear with his five missions, with the first steps, which are the six first steps, which are the six first things that they want to do in government, which very much include immigration as part of that, that this is what they want to do. the election has been all about change, and we've seen that across the country. actually, we've seen real gains for the liberal democrats who've actually done incredibly well. we've seen new green mps, we've seen seats move the total

collapse of the snp vote, for example, in scotland. so people have been voting for change. but now, as i said earlier , is the now, as i said earlier, is the opportunity for starmer and the labour party to demonstrate that people were right to lend their votes to them, and they've got five years to do that and they've got a really strong parliamentary majority to deliver. >> christine, this morning, nigel farage sets his sights now on sir keir starmer and the labour party. i think as far as the tories are concerned and reform it's job done. you know the tories have been wiped out pretty much. farage this morning said he wants to build a national massive movement for 2029. he said there's no enthusiasm for labour. we will now be targeting labour votes . now be targeting labour votes. we're coming for labour, no doubt about that. this is the first step of something that's going to stun you all. will sir keir starmer and labour have one eye behind them on nigel farage? >> i think labour will be looking at areas where they would like to have done better. obviously the result has been fantastic across the country, but there were a couple of seats that labour lost and actually labour really lost those seats

to independent campaigners, not necessarily to reform . obviously necessarily to reform. obviously there is a very significant vote share in the country. again, my experience from talking to people who were thinking about voting reform on the doorstep was that, again, it was a protest and it was a change election. so starmer and the team will absolutely be looking at all of the places where they lost votes that they should have won, and they will be taking that seriously. but on the other hand, i just want to say now we've actually got nigel farage in parliament, i think we're going to see a lot more scrutiny on reform. i think there will be really interesting conversations to be had about why, for example, it's a company and not a party, why it's members. it doesn't have members that can vote. i think there'll be real scrutiny on his relationship with donald trump, which a lot of people in this country actually have real concerns about. and i think there's going to be more and more scrutiny on some of the comments he made about putin and ukraine. >> yeah, i think you're absolutely right. and of course, the media did focus upon some of the media did focus upon some of the candidates questioning whether they were vetted enough on the way. but it's interesting the labour leader, sir keir

starmer, he is going to benefit from some economic improvements that have been made under rishi sunak and his government. so you do have inflation down, you do have the cost of living coming down stubbornly high still, but coming down, immigration coming down. in terms of visas, he'll be able to, you know, say there his victories a good start. >> and they did also start making some progress on speeding up the building of that critical infrastructure. so there was progress made over the last 14 years. and indeed under rishi sunak's government. and you're right, keir starmer is going to be inheriting good inflation numbers, interest rates coming down as well. but we cannot understate the scale of the reforms that are needed, particularly to our planning system to i knew you were going to say planning again to build the clean energy that we need to build the new homes, that we need to build a new transport links. >> we feel like i've got my co—host, my usual co—host with me, tom harwood. it's always the

planning. but you are right, that's so important. it is. >> come back to the. if i can come back to the reform vote as well. i think it is really important that we're clear eyed about this. the number. >> may i just interrupt? because, sir keir starmer has officially become the prime minister of the united kingdom of great britain and northern ireland. so he is leaving buckingham palace on his way to number 10 downing street, where he will address the nation for the very first time as prime minister of this great nation. >> sam, what would you like sir keir to say in his first speech in a few moments from downing street? what vision would you like him to set out that we are going to slash through the red tape that currently stops us getting britain building, that we can be so much richer as a country if we just let the country if we just let the country you need to do a show with, with tom harwood don't you need to get tom moore back in? >> goodness me. yes. well, it's trickier than that, isn't it? it's all the environmental regulations. it's all the local approvals. very difficult indeed, christine , do you think indeed, christine, do you think he'll take the opportunity to give a long and impassioned

speech? do you think he'll keep it short and sweet? what do you. what do you predict? i think at this point in the day, he's probably really tired . probably really tired. >> it's been an incredibly long campaign. i think he's going to keep it short and sweet because actually he's got a lot of work to do today, and he's very much want to going to want to get down to it. but i think what we will see is a reiteration of labour's five missions for government. and just that reinforcement of the reasons why people voted labour this time to get the nhs back on its feet, to get the nhs back on its feet, to get the nhs back on its feet, to get the economy moving again, to really deal with law and order and make our streets safer. so i think we'll see that. but i think we'll see that. but i think he will do that fairly quickly. and then we all just now waiting for keir starmer to officially leave the building there at buckingham palace, where he'll be on his way to downing street. >> emma, your thoughts, do you think that keir starmer will be conciliatory? do you think he'll acknowledge the fact that large portions of the country did not give him their vote? i think he would be wise to. >> so when i point out that he

hasn't got a large enough vote share to really have a true mandate, that is reflected in the number of seats that he's won, i think he needs to acknowledge the historic peculiarity of the circumstances , peculiarity of the circumstances, and to work with that and to ensure that he's being respectful of that. >> so sorry to interject, emma. these are the first pictures breaking just now of sir keir starmer, the new prime minister, meeting the king on his first appointment at buckingham palace appointment at buckingham palace a few moments ago, a historic moment. the first appointment of king charles of any prime minister during his tenure, sir keir starmer, you know , the keir starmer, you know, the first labour government in, what, 14, 15 years? >> yes. and he'll be asked . he's >> yes. and he'll be asked. he's been asked officially to form a government. it will be very interesting indeed to see what the cabinet will shape up to look like, whether there'll be any surprises when anyone from the shadow cabinet cabinet might be, you know , ousted in favour be, you know, ousted in favour of someone else. we shall see. you know , jonathan ashworth, for

you know, jonathan ashworth, for example, has lost his seat, so he will not appear in that cabinet. i'd like to know, emma, how long do we give sir keir starmer and labour before there's no excuses left? >> is it a year ? is it two >> is it a year? is it two years? when do we need to see results from what they've promised? >> goodness. i mean, i think i think they would probably say the end of the five years. and in fact, if anything, they might even say into a second term the end of ten years. but of course, they want to be given as much of a chance as possible to try to sort things out, i'm not sure how long i would give keir starmer , because i think that starmer, because i think that actually the labour party is so riven with, with some quite complex divisions that his, his hold on the leadership of the party. i'm not sure how secure that actually is. so i think that actually is. so i think that we're going to be in for a wild ride, actually. and, you were asking whether or not his speech is going to be particularly impassioned or conciliatory, but i think he's going to have to pay himself because by the time he goes to sleep, he's going to have been awake probably for 48 hours, so

i think we'll be able to tell possibly, maybe by the end of the month we might be able to make some predictions based on the, the cabinet and their first 100 days. >> there is the new prime minister and his wife , victoria. minister and his wife, victoria. they're leaving buckingham palace after being appointed a prime minister of this country. he is getting into his official car there with his wife. he'll be travelling straight to downing street to make his first address to the nation as prime minister. >> yes, the short drive to downing street, a couple of minutes, of course , and he'll be minutes, of course, and he'll be welcomed by that sea of which i found particularly interesting , found particularly interesting, the sea of union jack flags. they were handing them out to well—wishers on the side of the road. i assume it was labour campaigners doing that. i mean, emma, does that feel a bit, contrived to you? >> the proof of the pudding will be in the eating, ben. i don't buy it, but i think. >> oh, such a cynic, emma, know. >> well, it's what the last, however many, 13 or 15 years have done to me. >> oh, here we go. the lectern

is being brought out to outside number 10. stark contrast. now, now the sun's out. previously, when we saw a rishi sunak at the start of this whole campaign, when he announced the election, it was, of course , pouring rain. it was, of course, pouring rain. sam, i must ask you to. what do you expect from this speech, from this address? well, just watching the car there, leave buckingham palace. >> i imagine it will be along the same lines as we've heard from throughout the campaign. right that he will set expectations pretty low because he knows that there is not a huge amount of money to play with, that they it's going to take time for the reforms to bed in. i think that he potentially will be quite conciliatory and recognition of the fact that although there is this large majority, it is quite fragile given the given the vote share . given the given the vote share. but i also think and hope that he will commit to those economic reforms that are going to be necessary to turn the ship around. >> i don't think you're going to see less red tape, though. i think that's dreaming. >> it could be votes for 16 year olds. from tomorrow, we shall

see. but there you go. the sun is out outside downing street . a is out outside downing street. a huge crowd, i must say, of labour supporters there with their flags ready for the waving. >> i'm just looking forward to heanng >> i'm just looking forward to hearing a prime minister speak without steve bray and his pa system at the end of downing street. >> steve is going to be out of job. >> he's irrelevant now, i guess. i don't know, he might continue to push the new prime minister in the direction of rejoining the european union. >> maybe he'll become a special adviser . adviser. >> we may we may get a right wing. steve bray. he comes out of the woodwork, a new character with an equally as annoying tone. >> ben. >> ben. >> yeah, i'll be down there . >> yeah, i'll be down there. >> yeah, i'll be down there. >> i don't imagine steve bray would swap sides. who knows, i don't know. >> on a serious note, i do find that aspect interesting. what are people like steve bray like all these online left leaning commentators going to do now? carol vorderman, who spent a long time demanding a labour government voting tactically. they've got it now. so are they going to hold labour to the same standard morals and account as they did the tories? what are

these people going to be doing over the next four years? i think i mean, i think it's i think i mean, i think it's i think it's unlikely that they'll hold them to the same standard, >> but it will certainly be interesting because we've, we've not had a labour government for so long. i mean, i barely remember i was too young to really be politically aware enough to properly remember having a labour government, and the landscape has changed so much in that time. and there are so many extra added complexities in our politics, whether it's the european union or identity politics or , we've also been politics or, we've also been talking today about the muslim vote and how that's affected labour's vote share. how wes streeting and jess phillips only just scraped by. so there are all sorts of really complicated, factors at play . and i think it factors at play. and i think it will be really interesting to see how the left wing commentariat, unfolds over the coming months. >> but, sam, you would look forward to, sir keir starmer coming out of number 10. well, coming out of number 10. well, coming to arriving at number 10, coming to arriving at number 10, coming to arriving at number 10, coming to the lectern and announcing a bulldozing of planning regulation. >> well, that's been exactly his

language, right. he said that he wanted to bulldoze through the planning system. he said that he was on the side of the builders, not the blockers. indeed, ed miliband has said the same thing. so i am cautiously optimistic. >> nay, the toolmakers. >> nay, the toolmakers. >> but it's true . >> but it's true. >> but it's true. >> this is this is a new era for britain. the conservatives have beenin britain. the conservatives have been in government in one way or another for 14 years. christine, this is a momentous moment. >> absolutely. i mean, we've seen a number of prime ministers. we've seen some absolutely catastrophic impacts on, on the economy. and i think anyone who's recently had to refix their mortgage rate will still absolutely be feeling the continuing impact of high inflation. >> i must challenge you on that. inflation has been high across the western world, and much of the western world, and much of the rest of the globe, and interest rates have been kicking on elsewhere , too. on elsewhere, too. >> it's been particularly high on the back of the truss and kwarteng. absolutely. we had a specific budget, which, you know, has really to led long

term impacts for people. and that was something that we were really hearing out on the doorstep for labour. the other thing that kept coming up over and over again was the loss of trust from partygate. so people were really, really angry, both at boris johnson, who was obviously prime minister at the time, but also at rishi sunak, for his part in that, even though it is something he's apologised for and something that we heard quite a lot, was that we heard quite a lot, was that image that people keep coming back to of the queen at the funeral of prince philip, sitting on her own at a time when parties were going on in downing street that even though you know, it might be easy to think it was a few years ago, people have moved on. people don't care. voters are not stupid. they've got very long memories. and that's something that really, really impacted people. i think for a lot of people. i think for a lot of people who maybe were wavering, that was what pushed them over the edge and made them for vote change. >> some have joked that the labour party would have had the queen in a hazmat suit. >> oh goodness me. >> oh goodness me. >> well, there you go. but you never know what would have happened. but you can't say you can't say what choices a labour government would have made

dunng government would have made during the pandemic. but yes, they did hold the government to account when it came to lockdowns. >> well, labour wanted harder, faster and longer lockdowns, so they're a fine one to talk now about the economy. i mean, wes streeting was banging on about it the other day, talking about the education of children that have been damaged and harmed so much. sorry. you and your so—called opposition were responsible for keeping those kids locked in classrooms longer. >> another aspect of the interesting dynamic that will develop in the commentary, aside from the fact that now the left will be the establishment, is that actually, in many ways, the conservative commentariat have conservative commentari at have been conservative commentariat have been the opposition because they have been opposed to many of the policies of this conservative government and have been highly critical of it. so actually, part of the reason why the conservatives, you you spoke about the some people saying that they shouldn't lurch to the further to the right is actually the criticism from from proper solid small c conservatives that the conservative party have not been conservative enough. and thatis been conservative enough. and that is one of the reasons why they've been so unpopular. >> so in many ways, they've been in some ways they've been harsh

with their rhetoric, but not actually in terms of the action, say, for example, on immigration, talking tough on illegal immigration, talking tough on legal migration, and then the statistics don't back up any action being taken in that way. sam reform have been blamed a lot for some of these losses, for the conservatives, for the decimation of so many conservative politicians. how big a threat do you think reform are? are they here for the long haul >> well, look, i think we should be really clear eyed about what is driving voters to reform. and it is overwhelmingly immigration. it is as simple as that. immigration. it is as simple as that . and you have all these that. and you have all these slightly sort of chin stroking, leftist discussions about the rise of populist parties around europe and around the world. and how could we possibly deal with it? well, it is happening in countries that have record levels of migration . that is levels of migration. that is where these populist parties are flourishing. that is what needs to happen. and you saw the government , you know, rishi government, you know, rishi attempted with his , this, this

attempted with his, this, this net zero pivot to appeal to reform voters. this didn't make a difference. the watering down of the net zero commitment is actually what reform voters really care about is immigration. so that is what the conservative party is going to have to have a compelling offer on alongside. as i say, a clear programme of getting stuff built in order to, i mean, i was speaking to, quite a few reform voters, and it's not all about the immigration, a lot of them very much taken by the tax cuts, that personal allowance that was promised by nigel farage. >> and also in general, just wanting to get the conservatives out , punish wanting to get the conservatives out, punish the conservatives. >> i think it's do you not agree? it's that sense of betrayal from the conservative party, the brexit vote, which they feel wasn't administered properly , properly, properly, properly, properly, properly, the 2019 vote where the brexit party and nigel farage stood aside and they blew it up the wall, and not least drove a dagger into the hearts of all brexiteers by betraying their trust. >> but that betrayal, as you put

it, is specifically about immigration, right? that is what has come up in the conversations that we've had, around, around the country. it is that point that that reform voters particularly care about. so the conservative party is going to have to have a clear, compelling offer on on bringing down numbers rapidly, while at the same time having an open offer to younger voters. because let's let's be clear, the party had very little to offer anyone under the age of 65 at this election, we should say that sir keir starmer was due, as in the schedule that we all receive our broadcasters, that he was due to speak at 12:20. >> it is now 12:33. but as we know, these things often are a little delayed. >> maybe he's sorting his tie out , just adjusting his hair. out, just adjusting his hair. perfect. getting ready emma webb, let me ask you about something nigel farage said. this labour government will be in trouble very, very quickly. we're coming for labour. he's won in clacton. he's now an mp .

won in clacton. he's now an mp. the fox is in the hen house. labour aren't going to get away with much in the commons when nigel was there. are they? >> and i think that there is a risk. and we've been talking about this sort of disparity between the vote share and the number of seats. if they were to sort of wield the large majority with hubris. i think it could really very badly backfire, because what we saw after brexit was that with with covid coming so soon after the 2019 vote, that the great realignment that people were expecting in our politics was scuppered, and i think that if, if we see this, this large disparity between the malaise and the feelings and the politics of the british people, and the labour party, with its enormous majority , that given enormous majority, that given the as i was saying, you know, the as i was saying, you know, the small c conservatives who have effectively been in opposition for such a long time that that the small c conservatives have developed that infrastructure there to challenge through civil society

the left and what with nigel farage, as you say , being in the farage, as you say, being in the in the hen coop. he really could even with, even with only a small number of mps, be quite a force for holding maybe the labour party, maybe it's possible, but he is only one man and he won't get to choose when he speaks necessarily. >> that's made by the speaker, but as soon as we know he doesn't need parliament to have a platform. yes, of course he has many other ways of getting in touch with the public and making his voice heard, but, christine, do you disagree with emma? do you think that there is a mandate for radical change? >> i think there is a frustration in the country at the continued cost of living crisis, and feeling like people are surviving rather than thriving. and it's something that keir starmer really kind of tapped into last year. it is, speech at labour party conference where he talked about the idea that, you know, ordinary working families, like many of us, come from, should be able to expect to go on holiday once a year, shouldn't be always

worrying about having to pay bills. the fact that in this country, we currently have more food banks rather than pubs in the western world. in 20. >> you are absolutely right. but what does that look like in terms of policy? presumably you mean economic growth rather than broadening the welfare base? what exactly do you mean? because there's so many different ways of making people's lives more prosperous. >> yeah, and a really key way of doing that is through getting as many people as possible into work. so labour have talked a lot in this campaign about education, about skills, about supporting people into further education, about lifelong learning . so that will be learning. so that will be really, really critical. and it's actually one area that the trade unions are incredibly passionate about as well. they really want to see more people working and working in really good jobs all around the country. so i think we're going to see more green jobs through the expansion of clean energy, which would be really exciting. we'll see more jobs in construction. we'll see more jobs in skills in advanced manufacturing, and those jobs should be spread all around the country. that's really the way to deliver economic growth , not

to deliver economic growth, not just having them here in london. christine. >> it's also been argued that by increasing capital gains tax, which we may see by increasing corporation tax inheritance tax, that you're just going to push away all the wealthy high net individuals, reports out a few weeks back said that around 9500 millionaires are expected to leave the uk this year. where do they find that balance between trying to find growth and keeping hold of those massive tax contributors? >> we hear that a lot. we heard it around the brexit debate that, you know, wealthy people were going to leave the uk and go abroad and it didn't happen in practice . so, you know, the in practice. so, you know, the proof will be in the pudding, keir starmer has been very clear in rachel reeves has been very clear that , you know, the clear that, you know, the importance of growth is actually not then raising taxes for ordinary working people who are the vast majority of people in this country. so we will need to wait and see what the first budget looks like. labour's been very clear that they want to wait until the obr does its proper independent forecast, but that will be a really critical moment right. >> well the gates are opening on

downing street. we'll continue looking at this footage. you can hear the crowds cheering there as we await sir keir starmer to make his first address to the nation, sam, there's a lot of problems that this man has promised to solve as prime minister here he comes, here he comes. let's just have a little listen . listen. in. >> thunderous applause. >> thunderous applause. >> flag waving, huge numbers of labour supporters. there . labour supporters. there. and here is the man of the moment, sir keir starmer, getting out of the car outside number 10 with his wife wearing a red dress. >> you can just watching the

pictures. i mean, you can feel the energy. no doubt. i mean, i suggested that this flag waving, waving was you know, contrived perhaps, but you can definitely tell there is genuine excitement and optimism there. christine. >> absolutely. it's i'm finding it quite emotional watching it feels like this has been quite a long time coming, and even the fact that the sun is out compared to, as you say, rishi sunak launching his campaign in the rain , it does feel like this the rain, it does feel like this morning is this afternoon is kind of a day of change, and people do seem to be genuinely excited about it, even on the way here, i, you know, came to the studio here on the tube and people were talking about the general election on the tube today. >> christine, there are sam, i'll bring this to you. there are a lot of people who will be watching this, being very worried indeed. has keir starmer been truthful when it comes to tax? has he been truthful when it comes to illegal immigration and the like? has he been truthful about that? all important planning regulation? >> well, we will have to see it. and this is the worry is that he has, you know, the position that he ran on to be labour leader is

very different to the position that he then presented to the electorate . and we all have to electorate. and we all have to hope that he is going to deliver on those promises that he made in this campaign, most importantly, to deliver planning reform lots of hugs, lots of hugs with those who are waiting there for keir starmer. >> it's nice to see victoria starmer out and about with sir keir, because she was notably absent, of course, during the campaign, but here she is beaming, laughing, hugging. do you think she'll play a more prominent role as first lady? christine? >> we don't have a first lady in the uk. it's a slightly weird and i think quite old fashioned, quite sexist idea. >> i think cherie, cherie blair played that role quite well. i mean, she was, but she also had her own role and she had things to do and you know , victoria to do and you know, victoria starmer has got her own job. >> she has teenage children and obviously with care and they want to make sure that they're protecting their home life and their family life, and that's that. she's entitled to her own career. she hasn't stood for election, and i actually think the way that they as family have

talked about the fact that they protect their time and they've been very, very respectful of not putting their children into the limelight because their children are not old enough to choose to do that has been absolutely right. and i think it's something that's resonated with a lot of families around the country. >> it's interesting. emma, if it was a political choice for her to step back or whether this was a family personal choice , hard a family personal choice, hard to tell. >> i imagine it probably would be a personal decision. and they didn't take their children , i didn't take their children, i don't know if their children are going to sort of make an appearance, but, i don't think it's sexist to talk of a first lady, but i agree that it is incorrect. and we don't have a presidential system. and i don't, i don't feel comfortable actually with this turn towards actually with this turn towards a more presidential way of this general election has actually been very presidential because the focus has been much more on the focus has been much more on the leaders rather than it has been on the parties as a whole. and as one such concerned. >> here comes sorry to interject. here's sir keir starmer making his first announcement, his speech as prime minister >> thank you .

>> thank you. >> thank you. >> good afternoon . i have just >> good afternoon. i have just returned from buckingham palace where i accepted an invitation from his majesty. the king to form the next government of this great nation . i want to thank great nation. i want to thank the outgoing prime minister, rishi sunak . the outgoing prime minister, rishi sunak. his achievement as the first british asian prime minister of our country. the extra effort that that will have required should not be underestimated by anyone . and we underestimated by anyone. and we pay underestimated by anyone. and we pay tribute to that today and we also recognise the dedication and hard work, he brought to his leadership . but now our country leadership. but now our country has voted decisively for change,

for national renewal and a return of politics to public service . when the gap between service. when the gap between the sacrifices made by people and the service they receive from politicians grows, this big, it leads to a weariness in the heart of a nation, a draining away of the hope, the spirit, the belief in a better future that we need to move forward together . now, this forward together. now, this wound, this lack of trust , can wound, this lack of trust, can only be healed by actions, not words . i only be healed by actions, not words. i know only be healed by actions, not words . i know that , but we can words. i know that, but we can make a start today with the simple acknowledgement that pubuc simple acknowledgement that public service is a privilege

and that your government should treat every single person in this country with respect . if this country with respect. if you voted labour yesterday, we will carry the responsibility of your trust as we rebuild our country. but whether you voted labour or not, in fact, especially if you did not, i say to you directly, my government will serve you . politics can be will serve you. politics can be a force for good. we will show that we have changed the labour party returned it to service and thatis party returned it to service and that is how we will govern country. first party second. yet if i'm honest, service is merely a precondition of hope and it is surely clear to everyone that

our country needs a bigger reset, a rediscovery of who we are . a rediscovery of who we are. because no matter how fierce the storms of history, one of the great strengths of this nation has always been our ability to navigate away to calmer waters . navigate away to calmer waters. and yet, this depends upon politicians, particularly those who stand for stability and moderation , as i do , recognising moderation, as i do, recognising when we must change course. for too long now we've turned a blind eye as millions slid into greater insecurity . nurses, greater insecurity. nurses, builders, drivers, carers , builders, drivers, carers, people doing the right thing, working harder every day, recognised at moments like this before . yet as soon as the before. yet as soon as the cameras stopped rolling, their lives are ignored. i want to say

very clearly to those people , very clearly to those people, not this time. very clearly to those people, not this time . changing not this time. changing a country is not like flicking a switch. the world is now a more volatile place. this will take a while, but have no doubt that the work of change begins immediately. i have no doubt that we will rebuild britain with wealth created in every community, our nhs, back on its feet, facing the future, secure borders, safer streets, everyone treated with dignity and respect at work. the opportunity of clean british power . cutting clean british power. cutting your energy bills for good and brick by brick . we will rebuild brick by brick. we will rebuild the infrastructure of opportunity. the world class schools and colleges, the affordable homes that i know are

the ingredients of hope for working people. the security that working class families like mine can build their lives around . because if i asked you around. because if i asked you now whether you believe that britain will be better for your children, i know to many of you would say no. and so my government will fight every day until you believe again. from now on, you have a government unburdened by doctrine, guided only by the determination to serve your interest, to defy quietly those who have written our country off. you have given us a clear mandate, and we will use it to deliver change, to restore service and respect to politics. end the era of noisy

performance. tread more lightly on your lives and unite our country. four nations standing together again, facing down as we have so often in our past. the challenges of an insecure world committed to a calm and patient rebuilding . so with patient rebuilding. so with respect and humility , i invite respect and humility, i invite you all to join this government of service in the mission of national renewal . our work is national renewal. our work is urgent and we begin it today. thank you very much . thank you very much. >> the new prime minister of the united kingdom, sir keir starmer, making his maiden speech outside downing street live in central london, he talked of the wariness in the heart of a nation draining away

of the hope and spirit, but he wants to deliver a belief in a better future that we need to move forward, starting today, he says public service is a privilege, and he invites everybody, even those who did not vote for labour, over the course of the last 24 hours to join them on what he described as a government of service. our work is urgent, he says, and we begin it today. emma webb, can i ask you just briefly, was that a nod, talking about the wariness in the heart of a nation? was that a nod to the low vote share? do you think? >> i think that that was his conciliatory tone that we were talking about, it was interesting that he described a government free from doctrine. i don't think that's what we're going to see. exactly. that's a very optimistic stuck out to me , very optimistic stuck out to me, but no, i think he's trying to strike a conciliatory tone, i do think his tone is a little bit too funereal. for, for a sort of victory speech. but look, i think, i think we're dreaming. if we think that it's going to be a government that's free from

doctrine. and for me, that's the thing that really stuck out. >> yeah. interesting. christine, the choice of words that you have given us a clear mandate, we will be unburdened by doctrine. we will tread more lightly on your lives . it's lightly on your lives. it's interesting, isn't it? because when one thinks of a labour government, they think of more intervention. perhaps he wants to tread more lightly . there we to tread more lightly. there we go.the to tread more lightly. there we go. the shot outside. number 10. sorry, i must interject on myself before you even started speaking . christine, there is speaking. christine, there is the shot for the cameras that will be on every front page tomorrow morning, i imagine. well, there we are, posing outside number 10 downing street. keir starmer, the seventh labour prime minister of this country, waving to his adonng this country, waving to his adoring activists and colleagues and the like . there we are, big and the like. there we are, big smiles, big smiles outside number 10 christine, unburdened by doctrine, i mean, the thing that really struck me about that speech was how, serious and how humble this where he talks a lot

about service and he has talked quite a lot about service through this whole campaign . through this whole campaign. >> it is a privilege, and it's something that millions of voters around the country and myself included, have voted for his party. >> and there we go, straight in the door at number 10, in the door , greeting, more colleagues, door, greeting, more colleagues, more staff, more supporters. there thunderous round of applause . lots of people in applause. lots of people in number 10. it will be interesting to know exactly what is on the agenda for this afternoon. after this momentous occasion for the pair, there no sign of larry , no sign of larry. sign of larry, no sign of larry. larry is no longer needed. >> although larry vote he did. >> although larry vote he did. >> he did tweet earlier. he answered my question about who was in charge in the interim between him. rishi sunak yes, of course, the chief mouseketeer. emma, can i have to ask this question at the start of sir keir starmer's speech, then he wanted to. well he did. he paid tribute to rishi sunak for being the first british asian prime minister, to take the post. and he said it was an effort that

required, sorry, the effort that was required is not underestimated and it's recognised . is that a sign of recognised. is that a sign of the, i'm going to say it of the wokeness to come under this government trying to be magnanimous. >> but i think that's going to go very far down very badly because he is straight in with the identity politics. and he also, although it was very subtle, he talked about i can't remember exactly the wording that he used, but about a government that respects everyone and it's important to have respect for everyone. and of course, we know that's the language that he used when, referring to the saga with rosie duffield and whether or not, biological, whether or not a man can become a woman . and so can become a woman. and so i think there are a few nods in there to the identity politics that we know is latent within the party, even if he says that they're not going to be, they're going to be light on doctrine and have a light touch in people's lives. i think the reality is that we need to see how this is actually going to play how this is actually going to play out, because i don't frankly, i don't really believe it, but it hardly feels controversial. >> sam, i must bring you in. sorry we haven't spoken for a few minutes at least, what did

you make of that, lots of talk about public service. and that's quite important considering all the allegations of sleaze, the partygate allegations of corruption during the 14 years of conservatives. >> yeah, it was very measured, wasn't it? i mean, possibly, as emma said, possibly two measured. i think that he i terribly sorry. >> i'm going to have to interrupt you again. it's our political editor, christopher hope, who has been in downing street for us and still is i believe. christopher, how was that? >> yeah, i think we heard there from sir keir starmer saying he's going to put country before party, making clear that he and he appealing for people and especially those who didn't vote for labour in this election of course, many millions didn't vote for him. he says. i want to serve you and make sure that this government can be on your side as well as those who did vote for labour. service is a precondition, he said. is the thing that matters more than anything else, more than party, more than grandstanding , and the more than grandstanding, and the clear intention to build more,

build more, more homes, more infrastructure, cheaper power, cleaner british energy or opportunity infrastructure. all the usual kind of language. we heard from his stump speech. i think it was a, you know, it was like a genuine cheer for him, i think. and he was trying to i think. and he was trying to i think , bring the country think, bring the country together. i thought the remarks about rishi sunak were well meant. i think, you know, he recognised the journey mr sunak had been on. being a second generation immigrant, coming here and doing so well, rising to the highest office in the land. i think it was a he's just trying to, i think, draw a line under the division of the last few years of the tory party and show that under labour, well, it can get better now. i think there's are so many challenges for this government, not least how do you how do you get the economy growing to pay for the things you want to do beyond what's in the manifesto? we don't even know. know that. but he's in a rush. he wants to start immediately. he's off to washington on tuesday to for a very big nato summit. he wants the cabinet appointed by the end

of the day, junior ministers over this weekend and to hit the ground running and is how that happens, i think, which will be the measure of him. but there's no question he thinks he's here for the five years he wants to govern for the whole country, he's saying this will be a service, a mission of national renewal, it's urgent. and it begins today. >> what might that new shiny cabinet look like ? cabinet look like? >> that is a great question. of course , it won't have jonathan course, it won't have jonathan ashworth in. he's a cabinet office minister who lost his seat in in leicester. it won't a thangam debbonaire, the culture shadow culture secretary lost her her role to the greens . shadow culture secretary lost her her role to the greens. big questions about the great offices of state almost certainly yvette cooper gets the job of home secretary. we know that rachel reeves is getting her job. that rachel reeves is getting herjob. of course, he's said that already . and we know angela that already. and we know angela rayneris that already. and we know angela rayner is getting her job as rayner is getting herjob as deputy leader and probably housing secretary. we don't know about david lammy. there's been suggestions that douglas alexander, the former senior

labour cabinet minister who's now back in government having won a seat in scotland, whether he becomes maybe the foreign secretary, we don't know that he's been himself. david lammy has kept quite a low, low role dunng has kept quite a low, low role during the campaign in very interestingly, the big role for foreign secretary is the special relationship and nigel farage told me on gb news on wednesday he had helped recommend the trump camp to talk to lammy. he had helped recommend the trump camp to talk to lammy . so trump camp to talk to lammy. so it may be that lammy has got an in now with the trump camp, which could be useful in trying to hold on to that job. but otherwise we'll wait and see. maybe john healey stays at defence. he's been over visiting nato, several times on the continent, and he's made those connections already because that job is a straight into a war on the continent. and supporting ukraine against russia. so changing jobs there could be awkward. but the otherjobs, awkward. but the other jobs, we're not sure we'll we'll lisa nandy hold on to her job and nandy hold on to herjob and others, we'll wait and see. >> chopper. sir keir starmer, of course, has plenty on his plate from here on. you've mentioned that nato meeting in washington

on tuesday, but overnight donald trump, the us presidential candidate , bidding for a second candidate, bidding for a second term. of course, he congratulated his old friend nigel farage. what kind of focus will this new labour government have on the us presidential race, and if and when donald trump does adhere to the polls and win another term in the white house, how will he manage that relationship with donald trump ? trump? >> it's a great question. i'm trying to find the actual tweet which donald trump gave out, but it was supporting nigel farage saying he'll be a great, he loves his country and will be a great mp. and obviously trump is very, very pleased for farage. he's tried seven times before winning on this eighth occasion. yeah, a key question. i think attention, i think over the next year or so is definitely going to be, who's in charge of the special relationship if donald trump becomes, the us president again in november , because again in november, because there's no question that that connection that farage and trump have is very, very deep. and he

may find things out about the special relationship, which he can then use to embarrass a labour government in parliament. so how that relationship develops, obviously the two men are very close, but there's a whole infrastructure below that which farage was not involved with and nor is trump. and that is a real special relationship. it's sharing. it's sharing, intelligence id and cooperating intelligence id and cooperating in so many different areas. but the personal relationship between the president and sir keir starmer could be tested by that man, nigel farage. >> christopher, what happens in the summer? what's the plans for the summer? what's the plans for the summer? what's the plans for the summer? is there going to be a shorter recess? what happens ? a shorter recess? what happens? >> well, what happens this, tuesday next week, the speaker of the house of commons is sworn in, probably sir lindsay hoyle. wednesday, thursday, friday. all the new mps are sworn and swear their oath to the king or whoever the following week, we have the king's speech, the state opening of parliament on the 17th of july. then we have, a debate on the king's speech

after that. and the big one is the prime minister's questions on the 24th of july that will see sir keir starmer, probably against rishi sunak. those roles reversed, sunak , now the leader reversed, sunak, now the leader of the opposition against sir keir starmer and then i'm expecting on the 30th of july, as i understand it, that will be the break for the summer recess. they won't go into august. they're going to give the mps four weeks break before coming back in early september. but they might well try and eat into that the beginning of that of the first week, maybe august and then of course, we're straight into the party conference season. and all that time we're probably looking a bit at the tory leadership contest. who might win that? but i think for the for the labour party, they clearly think that in a rush they want to get on and make things happen. the big complaint, i think, from people around tony blair back in 97 to 2001, was they weren't radical enough at the beginning, and now's the time to be radical. use this, use the goodwill. this government has got from from the electorate, from winning an election to try and make change happen. now, if you wait for it, it's much harder as you go into

maybe a second term of a labour government. >> well, if anything else, if nothing else, it will be an extremely interesting period for british politics. thank you so much, christopher. hope outside number 10, downing street for us, where sir keir starmer has just, addressed the nation for the very first time as prime minister to rapturous applause, waving flags, cheers, beaming smiles . smiles. >> how long will it last, >> how long will it last, >> well, thank you very much indeed, sam richards, for joining us. and of course , joining us. and of course, christine quigley and emma webb, i believe you are staying with us for a little bit longer as sam. just your final thoughts on what we've just heard . it's what we've just heard. it's going to be a busy summer. it is. >> it is.- >> it is, and is.— >> it is, and it was is. >> it is, and it was heartening to have at the centre of this speech, this talk as christopher set out about building new infrastructure, building new clean energy. that's what he's going to have to crack on with straight away. >> yes, christine, it's a serious team for a serious time, and i'm very excited. emma i thought it was a very good line , thought it was a very good line, >> i'm not optimistic. >> i'm not optimistic. >> oh, well, there we go. >> oh, well, there we go. >> i think as as you just

alluded to, if nothing else, it's going to be incredibly exciting. i'm here for the drama. five years. no, i agree it's going to be an exciting time as a politics dork. >> this is a very exciting moment . moment. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> gosh. well, there you go. how do you feel at home? gb views @gbnews. com or of course, gbnews.com/yoursay. that is the way to join the conversation with us this afternoon. but we're going to go to the bulletins and we'll be straight back. >> good afternoon. i'm sophia wenzler from the gb newsroom at 1:00. your headlines. britain has a new prime minister after sir keir starmer arrived in downing street to deliver his first speech as the nation's leader. after greeting the cheering crowds, sir keir pledged to stand for moderation and stability, putting country first and party second. earlier, sir keir was accompanied by his wife victoria as he arrived at

the palace for an audience with his majesty. he was traditionally asked by the king to form britain's next government, after which he formally emerged as prime minister. it comes after he claimed victory over rishi sunak earlier this morning, saying that people would wake up to the sunlight of hope, which was shining once again after 14 years of conservative rule . years of conservative rule. labour's landslide victory leaves the tories with just 121 seats, an extraordinary turnaround from the last election, which saw boris johnson command a historic win. this time , labour scooped up 412 this time, labour scooped up 412 seats, far more than the 326 needed to secure a majority. the liberal democrats also triumphed , liberal democrats also triumphed, winning 71 seats, a huge increase from its previous total of 11. that left the snp with nine and reform uk with four. the now former prime minister rishi sunak, has now left downing street for the last time, saying that he was sorry

for his party's election defeat to the country. >> i would like to say first and foremost, i am sorry i have given this job my all, but you have sent a clear signal that the government of the united kingdom must change, and yours is the only judgement that matters. i have heard your angen matters. i have heard your anger, your disappointment, and itake anger, your disappointment, and i take responsibility for this loss . to all the conservative loss. to all the conservative candidates and campaigners who work tirelessly, but without success, i am sorry that we could not deliver what your efforts deserved . it pains me to efforts deserved. it pains me to think how many good colleagues who contributed so much to their communities and our country will now no longer sit in the house of commons after that short farewell speech , mr sunak took farewell speech, mr sunak took his wife's hand and departed downing street for the last time, making way for his successor to become britain's fourth prime minister in under

two years. >> meanwhile, the mood was brighter at reform uk's headquarters after nigel farage was elected as an mp for the first time. it was a case of eighth time lucky for the party's leader after seven previous attempts to enter parliament, he managed to overturn a conservative majority of around 25,000, with the party also securing three other seats. speaking shortly after claiming victory, mr farage said reform has its sights set on labour. >> i promise that i will do my absolute best as a member of parliament. i will say this it's four weeks and three days since i decided to come out of retirement and throw my hat in the ring . i retirement and throw my hat in the ring. i think retirement and throw my hat in the ring . i think what reform uk the ring. i think what reform uk has achieved in those just few short weeks is truly extraordinary, given that we had no money, no branch structure, virtually nothing across the country, we are going to come second in hundreds of constituencies. >> it was a brutal night for the

conservative party, with eight cabinet ministers and a former prime minister among the casualties, beating 1997 record. in one of the night's biggest upsets, liz truss lost her seat in the south—west norfolk to laboun in the south—west norfolk to labour, a head spinning turnaround from her 49 day stint in downing street less than two years ago. but there were more shocks to come, with the defence secretary, grant shapps, commons leader penny mordaunt and former cabinet minister jacob rees—mogg all beaten by labour. there were some surprises for labour, too, with jonathan ashworth, who played a leading role in the party's campaign, losing his seat to a pro—palestinian independent and green party co—leader. caledonia ousted labour's thangam debbonaire in bristol central. a strong showing for the liberal democrats saw them topple several tory ministers, though they failed to clinch jeremy hunfs they failed to clinch jeremy hunt's seat. sir ed davey said it was a historic result. >> the liberal democrats are on for our best results for over a

century, and i'm really proud that our party has fought so positively during this campaign, particularly putting the reforming and fixing the crisis in our health and care system right at the forefront. and the many liberal democrat mps who have been elected tonight are going to continue to fight to sort out health and care to the people of our great country, can get the health and care they deserve . deserve. >> meanwhile, the tories lost all their mps in wales after welsh secretary david tc davies lost his labour seat and scottish labour took every snp seat in glasgow and edinburgh, while the scottish lib dems held on in edinburgh, west . those are on in edinburgh, west. those are the latest gv news headlines. for now, i'm sophia wenzler more in half an hour for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code, or go to gbnews.com forward slash alerts .

slash alerts. >> well, we did just bring you keir starmer. sir keir starmer's first speech outside downing street as the prime minister of this country. and now we are joined with a new panel in the studio. we have journalist and broadcaster extraordinaire alastair stewart, we have matthew goodwin with us, professor of politics and international relations at the university of kent. we have emma webb, political commentator , as webb, political commentator, as well as political presentation coach graham davis. well as political presentation coach graham davis . well, coach graham davis. well, graham, i'm going to start with you. i want to know how the political presentation was in that speech. >> well, it was careful, calculated , worthy and somewhat calculated, worthy and somewhat plodding . plodding. >> definitely an adrenaline free zone , he clearly had swallowed zone, he clearly had swallowed a dictionary of political cliches and i loved the phrase unencumbered by doctrine. yes. let's see whether he can actually carry that through when he starts putting on vat on private school fees. so it was

largely to be expected. and nothing very exciting. >> yes, interesting. that's what stuck out to me too, that i think it was unburdened by doctrine, yes. but, you know, same thing, that stuck out to me as well. matthew goodwin claim, isn't it? >> what did you make of his first sentence or his first couple of sentences in his maiden speech outside downing street was arguably delving into yet more identity politics, alluding to the fact rishi sunak was the first asian british prime minister. it would have taken a lot more effort for him to get where he was because of that fact. is that a sign and a flavour of things to come? >> i think it is. flavour of things to come? >> i think it is . i think what >> i think it is. i think what was also interesting was rishi sunak saying in his, goodbye speech, if you like, that it was remarkable that it was unremarkable that he was from a minority background and prime minister. so i think labour will clearly put the pedal down on the identity politics. i think that will be an open goal for somebody like nigel farage. of course, we've also just had kemi badenoch playing the same game

with her statements in recent weeks, using identity politics to try and attack the labour party. so i think what we're entering into, you know, we know that this labour, this particular labour government is going to be pretty big on the woke stuff. they've talked about giving out government contracts on the basis of race and ethnicity. they've talked about mainstreaming gender ideology, making it easier for people to get gender recognition certificates, all of that kind of stuff. i mean, this is all going to be really fertile soil, not just for nigel farage, but for some of those conservative leadership candidates. you know, the robert jenrick of the world who are going to be saying, look, the conservatives have to take a stand on this stuff. >> yes, we can talk about what might happen next for the conservative party and a little bit. but alastair stewart, you have been broadcasting these moments for years and years and years. how does it compare ? years. how does it compare? >> well, it was flat as a pancake and i thought you described it beautifully and eloquently, and therefore in that sense, he was a man true to himself, wasn't he? i was on the south bank when blair was screaming out, it can only get better. and there was no sense

of that in the modest little gathering that there was in downing street just now . and it downing street just now. and it certainly wasn't the poetry of thomas aquinas and saint augustine that margaret thatcher just about got right, the thing about unburdened by doctrine has obviously got all of us, and quite rightly so , because it's quite rightly so, because it's frankly, a meaningless assertion, because this is a guy who quite early on in the campaign said, i'm a socialist, and i think very few people, ourselves included, perhaps because we maybe didn't get the chance, asked him, what do you mean by that ? because tony blair mean by that? because tony blair knew what he meant by it, and it wasn't clause four and the real acid test for this man who wants to put vat on private schools and choice, as you rightly said, is what his view is on clause four and the commanding heights of the economy. et cetera, et cetera. et cetera. so unconvincing, unemotional and not really quite brilliant. >> so, emma webb filled with lots of, i mean, very descriptive language, talking

about britain needing to navigate our way to calmer waters. well, you weren't impressed by that. you weren't sort of touched on an emotive, creative level . creative level. >> definitely not, i think it would be difficult even for a labour supporter to be touched on any emotional level by that drab speech. but look, i think, talking about being unburdened by doctrine, he started his premiership with a lie because we just we just simply know that it's going to be true. and it's not it's not just about the wokery to use that term, but it's also that i think, and maybe this is something that we'll be discussing maybe in a week's time. it's also the potential constitutional damage that this government could do. if you look at the constitutional damage done by tony blair in 1997 with that whopping majority, now they've got a whopping majority here, but don't really have the same kind of mandate when it comes to the, you know, the support of the, you know, the support of the british people. and he's already been talking about things like reforming the house of commons. we know that that labour has the potential to do

real constitutional damage. so you partner that, alongside, the, the identity politics and the, the identity politics and the wokery. i think that frankly , the wokery. i think that frankly, to, to say that they're going to be unburdened by doctrine is, as i said, simply, a lie. >> well, on this occasion, dunng >> well, on this occasion, during this tenure , nigel during this tenure, nigel farage, of course, matt goodwin has won a seat in clacton. i'll say it again because it's the best description for it. the fox is in the hen house and nigel farage in the last couple of minutes has confirmed he will address supporters and the media at 2:30 to lay out what he describes as the next steps for his political revolt. and farage overnight said that they're now coming for labour. they are targeting labour voters. how concerned should sir keir starmer be about nigel farage with a presence now in parliament? >> well, he should be very concerned because we saw a lot of those second places for reform come in those labour areas and we know that, you know, here's one remarkable stat about this election for me, the labour vote share in england, went up 0.6. so just think about

that flat as a pancake. reform. and farage went up 13% a new party. you'd expect to see more gains , but they did especially gains, but they did especially well in those pro—brexit often labour held seats. so what farage is going to do is what he tried to do in 2015, but then basically got distracted by the brexit referendum and things took a different turn. he's now going to turn his tanks towards laboun going to turn his tanks towards labour, and he's going to basically hold starmer to account on legal migration, illegal migration, wokery leaving the echr just attacking labour non—stop. and remember, we're going to have a series of by elections now as we go through 24, 25, 26, those by elections are in red wall areas where reform is the main opposition, not the conservatives. who's going to win those by elections? i suspect it will be farage and watch on migration too. to be frank, we know labour's plan on migration isn't going to work. nobody thinks they're going to stop the small boats that will help farage to. so this is the

opening of a second flank for that reform party that statistic on on vote share is extraordinary, really. >> the labour vote share has increased so very, very, very slightly. >> it's not only that, emily, it's not only up 0.6% in england, they're down four points. in wales. if you take away london and the big cities they'll be down across england. what happened then? they surged in scotland. that's what saved keir starmer, the labour party. basically they surged in scotland. so he's not won over non—london . so non—london. so i completely agree with emma. if they go radical on a lot of these policies, they actually won't have a mandate across much of the country for that radical agenda. >> well, i'll put that to you, graham. in keir starmer's speech, he says you have given us a clear mandate. have we? >> well , he us a clear mandate. have we? >> well, he didn't really say anything specific enough during the last six weeks for us to give a clear mandate to him when he talked about respect for all,

i actually think that sort of goes beyond wokery. to me, it sounds like respect will be compulsory regardless of what you get in return. >> that's very interesting . >> that's very interesting. take. yes, indeed. >> there'll be lots and lots of shades of dark grey. >> and actually i think that ties in to the port when he says that they're going to be unburdened by doctrine. i think the really dangerous and insidious thing is that either they're not aware that they are so dogmatic, or they're trying to rebrand their radical form of identity politics as simply being respect, which is exactly what he's done when he's framed his comments about gender. >> very smart. emma >> very smart. emma >> alastair, i just want to recommend an article in case people missed it. and it was tim stanley in the telegraph who wrote an utterly brilliant piece about this tipping point in our politics, where he said it was about to be the end of the era of the cavaliers and the beginning of the era of the roundheads, for whom , of course, roundheads, for whom, of course, the roundheads, the ideology and the roundheads, the ideology and the dogma was exactly wokery writ large. but in a in a 17th

century way. >> but isn't nigel farage the ultimate cavalier ? because in ultimate cavalier? because in political terms, if he was a cricketer , he'd be the sort of cricketer, he'd be the sort of chap who'd want to open the bowling open. the batting, and perhaps keep wicket as well. yeah he's such a distinctive character in the sea of shades of grey, of politics at the moment, and he looks remarkable as well as sounding remarkable. i've never seen anybody have a smile about a yard wide before, and he has such a lot of enthusiasm for what he says all the time. >> just briefly, can i just just put the counter to the reform argument? because there are a lot of challenges. are going to suddenly creep up on nigel farage. he's going to have to run a westminster office, a clacton office. he's going to have to maintain a national brand, maintain an international brand, maintain an international brand . with trump and the us brand. with trump and the us election in the autumn, he's going to have to completely renew his team. he's going to have to get people around him with parliamentary experience, policy experience. this isn't like the european parliament.

it's a whole different game. the scrutiny on him in terms of expenses, accountancy, filing paperwork is going to be through the roof. labour will be looking for every opportunity to outflank farage. all i'm saying is the stakes are going up but so are the standards. and the big challenge for nigel farage is can he meet that head on? and it's a big if and that's the problem you saw back in the ukip days with all these, as nigel would call them, nutty candidates who were attracted to the party latterly, now with reform or they had to get candidates so quickly there wasn't time to properly vet them. >> so there is a party basically. yeah. >> and the flip side to that, not to say is isn't it remarkable they won 13, 4 million votes, four seats, maybe five by the end of the day with no party structure, they had no serious money or manpower. it's quite incredible. >> but the. perhaps, alistair, you can shed some light on on this one. our electoral system in question with some of these , in question with some of these, well, the shares of the vote compared to the number of seats.

i know this seems to happen every general election. we question. >> it's a hardy perennial. it's just it's the fascinating thing is who jumps on board that particular bandwagon? and nigel and reform uk have jumped upon it. and arithmetically it's a statement of the blindingly obvious. but over many, many years, far greater brains than mine have wrestled with a system that might be acceptable to most people to get a more proportionate form of voting right across the united kingdom. and it's been about as successful as reform of the house of lords, i.e. zero. they haven't found one that they can agree on. >> over 4 million votes for the reform party, four seats. emma >> but it actually proves that you can win seats with first past the post. yes, so many people have made the argument that it's almost simply impossible for a new to party make waves. but as matt just said, with no party structure and at such short notice, they still manage to pull it off four seats. >> and the lib dems said that this morning, to be fair to the lib dems, they said, look, you know, we still want to have

electoral reform, voting reform. but we played this game, this particular match, according to the established rules, because we had no choice and we won and we had no choice and we won and we won quite big. >> and what would be the mechanism in order to change the rules again, because we remember the last referendum we had on some form of alternate voting system and no, there's never going to be a majority in the house of commons to change the system. >> and i can't really see a conduh >> and i can't really see a conduit whereby it can be changed. >> well, just park that thought. we'll be coming back very shortly, don't go anywhere at home. we're going to be back in just a moment with our panel for all the latest reaction as sir keir starmer becomes the prime minister of this country. >> yes. we'll also be looking ahead to that nigel farage speech coming in the next hour. 2:30 i think he said where he will lay out his next steps for what he describes as reform uk's revolution on british politics. stick with

us. >> right. well, a very good afternoon to you. i'm emily carver, and this is ben leo with me this afternoon. let's go straight to westminster to speak to our political correspondent , to our political correspondent, olivia utley and catch up on absolutely everything that's been going on today, olivia, we'll ask you , was that we'll ask you, was that a rousing speech from our new prime minister >> well, it wasn't a particularly rousing speech, actually. i thought it was a very small c conservative in its nature. it was about putting the country first. it was about service. it was about treading more lightly on people's lives. it wasn't radical. it wasn't bombastic. and there is probably a reason for that . yes, keir a reason for that. yes, keir starmer won with an enormous majority and it worked. the election worked in just the way a first past the post election is supposed to work. so there is no denying the scale of labour's victory . but as we've been victory. but as we've been discussing this morning, it was with a relatively small share of the vote. in fact, it was only three percentage points higher at 35% than jeremy corbyn share

of the vote when he lost so catastrophically in 2019. the other point that it's worth making is turnout was really very low at just 60. that means that 80% of the country did not vote for the labour party in this election. keir starmer is keenly aware of that fact . and i keenly aware of that fact. and i think the other thing which is worth saying is that, yes, we have seen an enormous swing towards the labour party . labour towards the labour party. labour won almost as many seats as in 1997 under tony blair, and it is an even more remarkable achievement because they were coming from so far back. but this swing from a big conservative majority to a big labour majority is likely something which we could see happen the other way, perhaps in just five years time. the support for keir starmer, it seems at the moment, is very broad indeed , but it doesn't broad indeed, but it doesn't seem to be very deep. the first evidence for that is that low vote share the other evidence is that there are a lot of marginals. now, a lot of seats

in scotland, which just went over to labour but were almost saved by the snp. keir starmer is really, really aware of that. he has a big majority, but he also has a huge challenge on his hands and he knows it. >> olivia. of course, the new prime minister has plenty to get stuck into from here forth, but do you think he's going to have one eye on nigel farage? his first big speech post—election? i think in what, an hour's time ? i think in what, an hour's time? >> i think he certainly will have an eye on nigel farage. and i think the tories will even more certainly have an eye on nigel farage. the reform party did extremely well in terms of vote share. they got 17% of the vote, which is actually more than the liberal democrats achieved. although of course reform only won four seats, whereas the liberal democrats won 71. i think we can expect nigel farage to be pretty down on the first past the post system. i think he might now be pretty heavily in favour of proportional representation, which would have won reform a

lot more seats. the conservatives, the conservatives, who remain , will conservatives, who remain, will be listening really closely because the party now has a decision on its hands. how is it going to rise again from the ashes? will it go towards that reform vote, knowing that if they added 17% of the vote share to the vote share that they achieved last night, they would have done remarkably well. will they think that now is the time to move towards the right and try and get those votes back? or will they point out that 71 seats were won by the liberal democrats in those sort of well—to—do, leafy tory heartlands in the south east and the south west? and will that mean that they veer to the left? this is going to be an existential fight for the soul of the conservative party. and nigel farage will be kicking it off at 230. >> absolutely. it will be a bit of an existential fight. thank you so much, olivia utley. you are there in college green for us in westminster. thank you very much indeed. well, still joining us is journalist and broadcaster alastair stewart. matthew goodwin, professor of politics and international relations emma webb, political

commentator and the political presentation coach, graham davis, alastair stewart, i'll start with you . interesting to start with you. interesting to think about what might happen on the right of politics after this momentous moment. keir starmer, our prime minister, what happens? there's a lot of anger in the conservative party before people bin all of the paperwork that they'd gathered over the years, newspaper cuttings and speeches on rishi sunak and his government. >> they need to look out his mays lecture , where he set out mays lecture, where he set out a really thoughtful economic programme for the conservatives, and also the sunday telegraph. after the liz truss, debacle with that budget. and the sunday telegraph said this country needs a debate about who we are, which is what keir starmer just said, funnily enough. but more importantly, the conservative party needs a debate about who it is , and i think that that is it is, and i think that that is what will happen next. and i think farage will be a leading figure in that. i bet one bit that farage does take out of the

keir starmer speech will be we need to rediscover who we are as a country because starmer will say we know who we are and we will reassert that. >> matt, do you think nigel farage will be part of that conversation or will he be a bit of a pariah? >> i think he'll help lead that conversation. i think we're going to see the beginning of a civil war that's going to divide two types of conservatives. there are going to be national conservatives like farage, who prioritise slashing immigration, taking on the woke, embedding a principle of national preference in our economy. we should put british families ahead of other people, and then there will be establishment tory liberals who are comfortable with the status quo, who view these debates over migration and women's sex based rights as culture wars and they're basically desperate to go back to the george osborne david cameron era without really understanding how politics has moved on. just one last comment. watch what happens in the us in november with trump and watch what happens in france on sunday with le pen, and watch what happens elsewhere in france, overin happens elsewhere in france, over in europe over the next

year , british tories are out of year, british tories are out of step with how conservatism globally is on the move . globally is on the move. >> but matt, why don't they get it even now, after this morning, there's talking heads. there's talking heads saying that the tories don't go to the right. >> they're tories. >> they're tories. >> do you think you're over there? >> do you think you're overestimating the power of reform? they have four mps. well, they have 4 million votes. is this a flash in the pan moment? we'd be talking about this for over ten years. >> i've been talking about this for over ten years. okay? this isn't going anywhere across the west. we have to understand millions of voters want a different kind of politics, different kind of politics, different kind of society. they don't want mass immigration. they want control over the borders, and they don't want their kids being political. >> and there's talk of jeremy hunt , who >> and there's talk of jeremy hunt, who just about won his seats last night, hunt, who just about won his seats last night , potentially seats last night, potentially moving to become leader of the tory party. would that be a fatal mistake? as i said, i'd be a gift for ferrari. >> well, it would be inevitably seen as a continuity sunak candidate . and so it wouldn't be candidate. and so it wouldn't be the radical new direction that

perhaps is needed. but can i say in relation to nigel farage, remember that clause one of the reform party, if there is such a thing, seems to be more than anything else , destroy the anything else, destroy the conservative party. that has been what he's been trying to do and being open about it over the last six weeks. and all politics is personal. of those 120 mps, there'll be a huge proportion who will react against his predatory nature and will never righ wing of even tory mps that you'd say or see with the likes of priti patel , suella braverman. priti patel, suella braverman. >> he was at the cd0 conference in october for the first time. he went to the tory conference when he was asked the other day by sky's beth rigby, who would you like to see become the leader of the conservative party? would you ever consider rejoining with the likes of pretty or suella in charge? he says no, they're ghastly. all of them . none of them get it. them. none of them get it. >> the feeling is mutual that

suella pretty and kemi, the right wing faction, undoubtedly regard him as permanently persona non grata. what's got you? >> giggled alison. >> giggled alison. >> well, no. i feel like it's a history lesson, but i'm in the company of far greater minds than mine. but i keep getting three little letters, keep coming back into my mind sdp and there were people within the labour party in the 1980s and 1990s who didn't believe it and didn't think it was going to happen. and it took big figures like roy jenkins and shirley williams to leave the labour party and to go somewhere else and form a new political party. as far as nigel is concerned, he's only picked up 2 or 3 so far, but if 1 or 2 of those disenfranchised, let's call them ultra tories. for students of politics, history, let's call them ultras, just for the moment, as opposed to peelites. if they started to go and follow the farage flag, my god, things would be different. but hang on, as it stands, the reform vote has helped sir keir starmer have

this majority, have this big majority. >> as it stands, that has been the effect of reform . the effect of reform. >> well, the conservatives are responsible for that, i think. and actually in, in a in a sense, i think the constant argument that you must vote for us because otherwise you're going to get the labour party. i think, backfired horribly because people are now willing to suffer a little bit in the short term in order to see the gains that they did with those, even if it's just four seats, maybe it's not quite as good as the exit polls said. but matt's right. you know, this reckoning is coming internationally. we don't exist in a bubble. politically. we're seeing this great realignment happening all across the western world, it is unavoidable. we've dodged it for far too long. covid is one of the reasons why that great realignment was somewhat frustrated. i think, because, otherwise brexit would have perhaps hastened it slightly. but the reality is , you know, but the reality is, you know, it's our election system can be a cruel mistress. it could be the it could be the case that

come the next general election, that labour are completely wiped out like the liberal party. we're talking about political history. >> you can say, fine, only 3 or 4 seats, but farage has been quite clear. it's not about this election. it's about the next five years. >> look, i've been interviewing farage for over 12 years, okay? what he's going to be doing now , what he's going to be doing now, he's going to go back to the playbook he first designed in 2014, which was what the 2015 election was supposed to be about. achieve lots of second places and labour areas. and remember they thought ed miliband and labour would win in 2015. and what happened is cameron pulled that rabbit out of the hat through the referendum for brexit, which meant this strategy that you're going to see play out today was put on hold. so what nigel will do is go back to that strategy, announce a second flank against labour and he'll do well . just labour and he'll do well. just one thing on jeremy hunt and the conservative party. listen sequencing matters in politics. the conservative party. this isn't just another leadership election. this is the most important leadership election in their contemporary history. because if they get this wrong, if they put in a jeremy hunt or

they put in a tom tugendhat, or they put in a tom tugendhat, or they put in some kind of one nafion they put in some kind of one nation liberal who doesn't get how the direction of travel is changing, they won't just be on the life support. well, they could be heading to the morgue that you heard, hailsham. >> thank you very much. matt, graham, alister and emma coming up, we're going to be speaking to one of our gb viewers. excellent good stuff. that's after your headlines with sofia. >> emily. thank you. good afternoon. i'm sophia wenzler from the gb newsroom at half past one. here's your election recap. britain has a new prime minister after sir keir starmer arrived in downing street to deliver his first speech as the nation's leader. after greeting the cheering crowd, sir keir pledged to stand for moderation and stability, putting country first and party second. >> this wound, this lack of

trust can only be healed by actions, not words . i know that , actions, not words. i know that, but we can make a start today with the simple acknowledgement that public service is a privilege and that your government should treat every single person in this country with respect . with respect. >> earlier, sir keir was accompanied by his wife victoria as he arrived at the palace for an audience with his majesty. he was traditionally asked by the king to form britain's next government , after which he government, after which he formally emerged as prime minister it comes after he claimed victory over rishi sunak earlier this morning, saying that people would wake up to the sunlight of hope which was shining once again after 14 years of conservative rule . years of conservative rule. labour's landslide victory leaves the tories with just 121

seats, an extraordinary turnaround from the last election, which saw boris johnson command a historic win. this time labour scooped up 412 seats, far more than the 326 needed to secure a majority . the needed to secure a majority. the liberal democrats also triumphed, winning 71 seats, a huge increase from its previous total of 11. that's left the snp with nine and reform uk with four. those are your latest gb news headlines for now. i'm sophia wenzler more in half an hour for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone , sign direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code, or go to gbnews.com >> forward slash alerts

>> hello. welcome back. one four to you with ben and emily on gb news. with our esteemed panel all through the afternoon. joining us now is former

paediatric intensive care nurse and owner of a health and wellbeing fitness business, maria carmen sanchez morris . maria carmen sanchez morris. good afternoon. thank you for joining us on this momentous day. first questions first. look, i'm sure you just saw sir keir starmer's maiden speech on the steps of downing street . the steps of downing street. were you inspired by our new leader ? leader? >> i think he's got a big, big, big job. you know, i think many of the, certainly myself, you know, we lack trust in the government. i think it's not just, you know, it's a hard job. he's got he needs to put on his boots now and just get down and really instil the trust back. you know, we need to have trust from our government. otherwise you know, you know it has to be trust. he has to now act on what he's pledged in his manifesto, and i just hope i've got three small children. i'm extremely passionate about women's health, i'm also a business owner and also the nhs. you know, he has made some big promises and i just hope he delivers on those. >> well, you're the perfect example of someone he needs to

appeal to not only a health worker, but also a small business owner , someone with business owner, someone with three children, what did you pick out from that speech and how do you see things playing forward? do you think he will deliver on all the promises he's made in his manifesto ? made in his manifesto? >> i mean, i think proven by track record from any prime minister. i don't think they ever deliver on everything, i mean, it will be interesting to see who he, assigns in his cabinet. i think the key thing he needs to do get to work to straight away is the nhs. you know, that has been lacking, you know, that has been lacking, you know, the last few years. and it is it's a big, big problem. a lot of the issues that i talk about with women's health is back to the nhs, you know, for our children it's back to the nhs. you know, he's got a massive job on his hands. >> what's your political background when it comes to voting? i mean, i'm going to ask who you voted for. you don't have to tell me. that's fine. but did you change your vote? i mean, how did it go yesterday for you, >> when i was a nurse, years ago, i used to vote labour all

the time. last election, i voted conservative. i'm not going to share who i voted this time. i do, as you can see in the polls, there is a need for change. but i do think a lot of conservative you know, voters, you know, previous voters, their hands were tied. you know, if i'm being completely honest, you know, both of the opposition didn't fill me with much confidence. so you know, it's, but there is definitely a need for change. and i just hope that he makes that happen. >> sounds like you reflect quite a lot of the mood of the nation, really. we saw quite a low turnout, estimated to be the lowest in 20 years. lots of people just sitting on their hands and not bothering to vote. do you hear that from your friends and family too? >> yes . or, you know, just >> yes. or, you know, just following for voting for the, you know, for labour because everyone is doing that, you know. but i do think there needs to be change in how the, the voting system, my husband voted reform, but, you know, i think you know, with how the, the i don't really

quite understand how it works with seats and stuff, but i know, i think reform got 10% of the population. right. but actually, it's not been represented in the number of seats. so i do think there needs to be a change, which keir starmer said he would do. right. so hopefully he follows up on that as well. >> when you just revealed there your husband voted reform, you kind of did a, you know, sort of a sheepish giggle. why was that? do you think , is there a shyness do you think, is there a shyness about admitting that people vote reform? and if so, why ? reform? and if so, why? >> yeah, i think, do you do you feel it's a bit of a taboo amongst maybe your friends and family or people you know? yes, yes, yes. yeah. i think so. and i think, you know, with covid and stuff like that, i think maybe there don't get me wrong, some of their policies, i don't agree with. i didn't vote reform my husband did, but no, i there is a real, i think a lot of it people vote sometimes for who they think they should vote for. whereas i actually sat down and had a really good look at their

manifestos and made a decision based on, you know, selfishly, my business, my children and also the nhs and, you know, and i will say there is need for change. however, he's got a big, big, you know, he's got, he's got he's got a big job and we need to start seeing, you know, these hopefully seeing you know, some change. >> well you must have some interesting conversations at home with your partner. on all of this politics. it's been great to get your views on all this. mari carmen sanchez morris. really brilliant to get your point of view. it's interesting, isn't it? people ummed and odd about who to vote for this time around. i found her her admission there that the husband voted reform just so interesting. >> why is there that taboo? >> why is there that taboo? >> well, it's because people. well, let's put that to our panel well, let's put that to our panel, actually. oh no , sorry, panel, actually. oh no, sorry, we can't. that's after the break. we're going to have to hold tight. i think it's because i think it's because there's been a lot of labelling. >> it's the pressure from the left. it's been a lot of the accusations. the racism, the fascists, you know, will that change? >> but to be fair, there have

been some candidates who've said some pretty fruity things, a couple of wrong'uns, but in their defence they had time to the candidates. >> it was all very quick,

>> hello. welcome back. 148. you're with ben and emily on gb news all throughout the afternoon and the evening . afternoon and the evening. dissecting this momentous day on british or in british politics. coming up in the next hour, you will not want to miss bombshell. well, we expect bombshell announcements of sir keir starmer's cabinet, plus nigel farage making his maiden speech in the wake of last night's election. half past two. we're expecting that probably from college . green, where he college. green, where he promises to lay out reform uk's next steps for the revolution in british politics. >> yes, the votes may have been counted. we may know the results, but that is not the end of it. >> we're just getting started. >> we're just getting started. >> meaning it's only the beginning of our election coverage. but joining us now in the studio is journalist and broadcaster alastair stewart. thank you very much indeed. matthew goodwin, professor of politics and international

relations and lots of other things too. and political presentation coach graham davis. thank you very much, alastair. we'll start with you. a new shiny cabinet is going to be unveiled. >> is it now how do you know it's going to be shiny? >> yes , >> yes, >> yes, >> well, we kind of know half of it. and i still think as we talked earlier on, that whether david lammy gets over the wire or not remains interesting because he is a controversial figure. not everybody's cup of tea, but also because there's a big gathering of european leaders. and there's also the nato anniversary , which nato anniversary, which traditionally the prime minister and his or her foreign secretary would attend. so that office is particularly important. and also 1 or 2 people who lost their seat, like john ashworth, who i think may have been in for a promotion because he was a really great communicator doing everything i think i interviewed. he was absolutely important job and very, very

good. and thangam debbonaire down in bristol has gone. i think she was shadow leader of the house previously, shadow culture secretary and a big performer and a woman. so that's quite important in the arithmetic of it. but how shiny. we shall wait and see. >> matt goodwin can you imagine david lammy as foreign secretary deaung david lammy as foreign secretary dealing with donald trump, the man he called a racist and a kkk and a nazi sympathiser going to washington shaking hands. donald trump doesn't forget those kind of things, does he? well, no. exactly. >> i think that's one of the reasons why david lammy has been quite quiet, actually, recently. i think there has been, you know, the talk about why he struggled to get a meeting with donald trump when he was in washington. and we know trump won't forget these things. and of course, we know that now, through the conduit of nigel farage being in parliament and the relationship with donald trump through some of his advisers, i'm sure nigel farage won't let trump forget that ehhen won't let trump forget that either. but the cabinet's important for labour, because what we also saw in the election is the emergence of these tensions around the middle east, israel, gaza. we know we've got tensions within labour about how far they should go with nationalisation on the economy.

so this cabinet that sam is going to have to put together has got to manage all of those tensions as well. it's going to have to give a nod to the left of the party. it's going to have to give a nod to the centre, the north, the south, the territory that he wants to reflect in the labour party. so big decisions. i've heard this morning that labour are going to have longer cabinets. so you know, with an eye to keeping things in place for a year or 18 months rather than have more fluidity to it. but let's see. >> and scotland, well that would make a change. >> well, the other thing also just briefly, is this is going to be very inexperienced cabinet at the same time. i mean, the party generally no one in the labour party has held one of the great offices of state currently, so there isn't going to be a lot of experience. they'll be relying on mandelson, blair brown in the background. cooper well, yvette cooper, of course, who also came very close to losing her seat to reform. and again, you know, i think this is going to be one of the stories bubbling underneath the surface. do you think there'll be any any surprises? >> do you think sir keir starmer will be quite cautious? >> i think that the tone of the cabinet will reflect the tone of

the speech that we heard about an hour ago . i don't think he's an hour ago. i don't think he's going to take the risk of having any overtly out there personalities he would like. i believe a full cabinet of plodders who get on with the job and won't, as it were, be outliers from the standard party line. i think it will might well be a charisma free zone. >> interesting. >> interesting. >> interesting. >> interesting . intentionally. >> interesting. intentionally. do you think? >> intentionally? yes almost as a as a counterbalance to the volatility of politics over the last year and a half, say that he actually needs to have people who have the reputation have the ability and the attitude just to get on with the job, something we haven't really mentioned. >> although matt touched upon it slightly. alastair, is these independents that are now in the house of commons from traditionally labour seats , traditionally labour seats, where the issue of gaza has mobilised things along religious and sectarian lines. yes, jeremy

corbyn tweeted yesterday evening that palestine was on the ballot papen that palestine was on the ballot paper, which an awful lot of people tweeted back saying no, it wasn't. >> it was not on my ballot paper anyway, and of course he got returned and so he will sit as one of these independents and there were a few other, quote, lefties as you referred to earlier on, who sir keir got rid of early on but stood nevertheless as independents and got in i do i mean i love the house of commons i genuinely do and i love watching it. and my mentor alastair burnet always used to say, people who succeed in politics have to be able to master the house. if you can't master the house. if you can't master the house. if you can't master the house, you won't get anywhere and it will be a lot trickier to master under the current arithmetic than it has been recently. >> what does that mean, master? the house, >> when you've got to get up and make an important speech, the sort of macmillan during the profumo era, peel was also one

example of that. during corn law debates, reform legislation . debates, reform legislation. it's just that ability to stand up and that lovely kind of exchange between two big people in my view, and i like both of them personally. was david cameron and tony blair that whole bit you used to be the future once that kind of banter , future once that kind of banter, as well as real authority and thatcher, you know, i'm enjoying this. i'm enjoying this. no, no, no , that's control of the house no, that's control of the house of commons. and it really matters politically . matters politically. >> we haven't seen that for a while. >> it will be quite a switch for him, a demanding switch to go from being the questioner at pmqs to be the answerer, because of course, all he needed to do was come up with a few alternative questions. but essentially quite a small amount of material . whereas of course, of material. whereas of course, when you're answering the questions, you've got to cover the whole spectrum and you've got to practice hard. >> yeah. matt goodwin, you've alluded to that with nigel farage needing to up his game and with labour and sir keir starmer, it's easy cheering from the sidelines and shouting about

what you're going to do. but you're in downing street now. you've got a i mean nigel is going from being an outsider to an insider, and that transition is not going to be as easy as many people think. >> it's not just about maintaining his brand. we've seen him do that in the european parliament. he will use the speeches in the commons to the same effect. but it's also about having the back room . you're having the back room. you're going to have to have people around you who know how the house of commons works, who understand what it is to put a question down, who understand what it is to devise policy while maintaining his brand, while maintaining his brand, while maintaining his brand, while maintaining a constituency office in clacton, while maintaining a relationship with donald trump, while building a party. somebody said to me last week, the reform party was like a supersonic plane going, and they were building it as they were flying. and i think you know, there's a whole list of things that nigel farage is going to have to do if he wants to go from 17% of the national to go from 17% of the national to vote really 25 to 30, which is where he would need to be in 29 if he wants to really bring

this house down and cause a massive revolt. >> okay, look, we'll be back in a tick. stay with us. lots more to come. not least nigel farage is, speech in the next half an houn is, speech in the next half an hour, we presume from college green, and we're expected of course, to know sir keir starmer's cabinet. who do you think will be making the line—up ? think will be making the line—up? gbnews.com/yoursay. yes. >> it'll be interesting to see if it's a bit of a drip, drip feed of who if who's going to be in the cabinet, who's in, who's out? will there be any surprises? we'll bring you the very latest. so make sure stick with us, thanks alistair, graham and matt

tick. away welcome back . it's 2:00. away welcome back. it's 2:00. you're watching gb news with me. emily carver and ben leo in the house now. the uk's new prime minister, sir keir starmer, has promised to rebuild trust in politics, restore hope to the

nafion politics, restore hope to the nation after that landslide. labour victory in the general election. >> yes. and in his first speech in downing street, sir keir said the british people had voted, quote, decisively for change. sir keir said the country could move forward together as labour took office following 14 years of conservative rule . of conservative rule. >> now this afternoon we are expecting some key cabinet announcements. who will sir keir starmer choose to be in that cabinet and also nigel farage will be making his first speech after his big win in clacton. so that's coming very shortly. >> i'm very keen to see if david lammy, the potential, well, the shadow foreign secretary, will indeed keep his job because if and when donald trump is elected in november in the united states. david lammy, of course, a vocal critic of mr trump calling him a racist, a nazi supporter. how's that going to work out? >> could be a little frosty, could be a little frosty. >> but let's get your headlines with sophia . with sophia. >> emily. thank you. good afternoon. i'm sophia wenzler

from the gb newsroom. your headunes from the gb newsroom. your headlines at 2:00. britain has a new prime minister after sir keir starmer arrived in downing street to deliver his first speech as the nation's leader . speech as the nation's leader. after greeting the cheering . after greeting the cheering. after greeting the cheering. after greeting the cheering crowd, sir keir pledged to stand for moderation and stability, putting country first and party second. >> this wound , this lack of >> this wound, this lack of trust can only be healed by actions, not words . i know that , actions, not words. i know that, but we can make a start today with the simple acknowledgement that public service is a privilege and that your government should treat every single person in this country with respect . with respect. >> earlier, sir keir was

accompanied by his wife victoria as he arrived at the palace for an audience with his majesty. he was traditionally asked by the king to form britain's next government, after which he formally emerged as prime minister. it comes after he claimed victory over rishi sunak earlier this morning, saying that people would wake up to the sunlight of hope which was shining once again after 14 years of conservative rule. labour's landslide victory leaves the tories with just 121 seats, an extraordinary turnaround from the last election, which saw boris johnson command a historic win. this time labour scooped up 412 seats, far more than the 326 needed to secure a majority. the liberal democrats also triumphed , liberal democrats also triumphed, winning 71 seats, a huge increase from its previous total of 11. that left the snp with nine and reform uk with four. the now former prime minister rishi sunak left downing street for the last time this morning,

saying that he was sorry for his party's election defeat to the country. >> i would like to say first and foremost, i am sorry i have given this job my all, but you have sent a clear signal that the government of the united kingdom must change, and yours is the only judgement that matters. i have heard your angen matters. i have heard your anger, your disappointment, and itake anger, your disappointment, and i take responsibility for this loss to all the conservative candidates and campaigners who work tirelessly, but without success.i work tirelessly, but without success. i am sorry that we could not deliver what your efforts deserved . it pains me to efforts deserved. it pains me to think how many good colleagues who contributed so much to their communities and our country will now no longer sit in the house of commons after that short farewell speech, mr sunak took his wife's hand and departed downing street, making way for his successor to become britain's fourth prime minister

in less than two years. >> meanwhile, the mood was brighter at reform uk's headquarters after nigel farage was elected as an mp for the first time. it was a case of eighth time lucky for the party's leader after seven previous attempts to enter parliament, he managed to overturn a conservative majority of around 25,000, with the party also securing three other seats. speaking shortly after claiming victory, mr farage said reform has its sights set on labour. >> i promise that i will do my absolute best as a member of parliament. i will say this it's four weeks and three days since i decided to come out of retirement and throw my hat in the ring. i think what reform uk has achieved in those just few short weeks is truly extraordinary , given that we had extraordinary, given that we had no money, no branch structure, virtually nothing across the country, we are going to come second in hundreds of

constituencies. >> it was a brutal night for the conservative party, with eight cabinet ministers and a former prime minister among the casualties, beating 1997 record in one of the night's biggest upsets, liz truss lost her seat in south—west norfolk to labour, a head spinning turnaround from her 49 day stint in downing street less than two years ago. but there were more shocks to come, with defence secretary grant shapps, commons leader penny mordaunt and former cabinet minister jacob rees—mogg all beaten by labour. there were some surprises for labour, too, with jonathan ashworth, who played a leading role in the party's campaign, losing his seat to a pro—palestinian independent and green party co—leader carla denny ousted labour's thangam debbonaire in bristol central, a strong showing for the liberal democrats saw them topple several tory ministers, though they failed to clinch jeremy hunfs they failed to clinch jeremy hunt's seat. meanwhile, the tories lost all their mps in

wales after welsh secretary david tc davies lost his seat to labour and scottish labour took every snp seat in glasgow and edinburgh, while the scottish lib dems held on in edinburgh, west . those are the latest gb west. those are the latest gb news headlines. for now, i'm sophia wenzler more in half an hour for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code, or go to gbnews.com forward slash alerts . forward slash alerts. >> thank you sophia. now as you heard, new prime minister sir keir starmer feels strange saying that, doesn't it? >> the new prime minister a little bit odd. >> it's going to take some time to get used to that. he's been talking to the public for the very first time since taking over after his historic general election victory. here's a reminder of what he had to say as he entered number 10. thank you .

you. >> good afternoon. i have just returned from buckingham palace, where i accepted an invitation from his majesty. the king to form the next government of this great nation . i want to great nation. i want to thank the outgoing prime minister, rishi sunak . the outgoing prime minister, rishi sunak. his achievement as the first british asian prime minister of our country. the extra effort that that will have required should not be underestimated by anyone . and we underestimated by anyone. and we pay underestimated by anyone. and we pay tribute to that today. and we also recognise the dedication and hard work he brought to his leadership . but now our country leadership. but now our country has voted decisively for change, for national renewal and a

return of politics to public service. when the gap between the sacrifices made by people and the service they receive from politicians grows, this big, it leads to a weariness in the heart of a nation, a draining away of the hope, the spirit, the belief in a better future that we need to move forward together . now this forward together. now this wound, this lack of trust, can only be healed by actions , not only be healed by actions, not words. i know that, but we can make a start today with the simple acknowledgement that pubuc simple acknowledgement that public service is a privilege and that your government should treat every single person in

this country with respect . if this country with respect. if you voted labour yesterday, we will carry the responsibility of your trust as we rebuild our country. but whether you voted labour or not in fact, especially if you did not, i say to you directly, my government will serve you. politics can be a force for good. we will show that we have changed the labour party returned it to service and thatis party returned it to service and that is how we will govern country. first party second. yet if i'm honest, service is merely a precondition of hope. and it is surely clear to everyone that our country needs a bigger reset,

a rediscovery of who we are . a rediscovery of who we are. because no matter how fierce the storms of history, one of the great strengths of this nation has always been our ability to navigate away, to calmer waters . navigate away, to calmer waters. and yet, this depends upon politicians, particularly those who stand for stability and moderation, as i do , recognising moderation, as i do, recognising when we must change course. for too long now we have turned a blind eye as millions slid into greater insecurity. nurses builders. drivers, carers. people doing the right thing. working harder every day, recognised at moments like this before. yet as soon as the cameras stopped rolling , their cameras stopped rolling, their lives are ignored . i want to say lives are ignored. i want to say very clearly to those people not

this time . changing a country is this time. changing a country is not like flicking a switch. the world is now a more volatile place. this will take a while, but have no doubt that the work of change begins immediately. i have no doubt that we will rebuild britain with wealth created in every community. our nhs back on its feet, facing the future . secure borders, safer future. secure borders, safer streets , everyone treated with streets, everyone treated with dignity and respect at work. the opportunity of clean british power. cutting your energy bills for good and brick. >> well, there was sir keir starmer, the new prime minister, speaking in the last hour or so. but we're going to turn straight back to downing street , live back to downing street, live with our political editor, christopher hope, because the cabinet is beginning to be chosen and unveiled. christopher, are you there for

us? christopher? we want to know. >> meant to start ten minutes ago. >> please go ahead. yeah >> please go ahead. yeah >> sorry. the reshuffle was meant to start ten minutes ago. what's going to happen is the cabinet ministers will walk down downing street from the gates at the end into into number 10. get theirjobs, the end into into number 10. get their jobs, then exit through their jobs, then exit through the through the treasury. so we're expecting almost certainly the first people to come to walk up the street shortly will be angela rayner, the deputy leader. we know she's got that job and probably the housing secretary or the local government secretary. we again, we don't know if these titles stay the same. they might change from previous labour governments have changed the names of departments to try and give a new emphasis in that department. we know rachel reeves will will be made the shadow chancellor. she, of course, will can move in next door. number 11, downing street, next door to sir keir starmer in 10 downing street.

but the rest is not very clear. will david lammy become the foreign secretary? nigel farage told me on wednesday for gb news that he had helped connect lammy to the team around donald trump, so he had been almost facilitated that relationship. so will that work and how will david lammy feel about being helped into that role by nigel farage? not very good, you might think. and as ben leo was saying there in the past we have heard some quite spicy language about donald trump from david lammy and he has, i think, rowed back from that language from back in 2019. i think from from memory, other roles. john healey, he's the shadow defence secretary, a key role with the war in ukraine and of course, the nato summit starting in washington on tuesday, which is the first big, test, really, of the foreign policy, magnitude of sir keir starmer, others too. there might be other roles for lisa nandy and the rest will find out how they play out. two roles that

won't go will be to jonathan ashworth , who lost his seat in ashworth, who lost his seat in leicester. he was the shadow paymaster general, and thangam debbonaire, of course , the debbonaire, of course, the anxious shadow leader of the house of commons. she won't get the role either because she lost her seat to the greens in bristol last night. so all to play bristol last night. so all to play for a new car to be introduced to our viewers as they come down the street and i will bring the news as soon as we get it. and the word is there could be a cabinet meeting of the new cabinet as soon as tomorrow. >> there are some big names bridget phillipson, rachel reeves. of course. yvette cooper wes streeting. ed miliband , wes streeting. ed miliband, david lammy, as you mentioned. very interesting to see if things are shaken up from when it was a shadow cabinet. thank you very much, christopher. we'll come back to you very shortly indeed, i'm sure. but with us in the studio is alastair stewart and jonathan lewis. alastair, it's a big day, of course, for sir keir starmer, a big day for the country finding out who is going to be making our laws. >> yes. >> yes. >> not so much making our laws as running our departments. i think that's the point. we've that we've now moved on to now

and it does matter because these are really important jobs in terms of administering those laws and those policies. and so if you want to do something radical, like in the energy world with a great british energy and so on, or you're trying to address immigration, the home office certainly knows, as john reid famously said, a government department not fit for purpose and a number of tory home secretaries have found that as well. so these men and women yvette cooper, i think, is confirmed still as getting the home office is a very competent woman and married to a former minister and former top adviser as well. so she knows how the game works and how the game operates. i think angie raynor is fascinating because she totally inexperienced in this respect and a real outsider. i mean, she's loved by the party, but certainly not a classic whitehall or westminster type person. but she's number two. so

if sir keir is away on foreign policy in washington or wherever it may be, however testy that may be, then angie will be up at the despatch box doing prime minister's questions and not just that jonathan list, but angela rayner, you know, a working class white girl from stockport, a great fairy tale . stockport, a great fairy tale. >> but now we're in real business, meeting with world leaders, going to summits, you know, dictating global policy. do you think the likes of angela rayner will be up for the job? >> of course. i see no reason at all why angela rayner should be up to job. >> well, the lack of experience that alistair just cited. >> well, of course, of course, everyone has. everyone has a lack of experience until they get experience. she has been an mp for a long time. she's been in the opposition for a long time, so she will have an understanding. she'll have met a lot of people in that time. look, it will be up to starmer to decide if she gets the deputy prime minister brief. she's unden prime minister brief. she's under, he's under, she's under no sort of constitutional labour party constitutional obligation to get that role. he can decide not to appoint her a deputy

prime minister if he wants to. he can appoint her to quite a sort of a junior shadow cabinet, a cabinet post, if he wants to. and i don't think he even needs to appoint her to the cabinet necessarily, if he doesn't want to. but i think that would be it would be an extraordinary snub if he didn't. >> do you think that would cause problems? >> i think that would cause i don't think look, look, the thing for starmer, angela is great for bringing the left on board. >> she's great with the unions, isn't she? she's great with different factions. >> i think what you know, in that, in that sense, she would be an excellent sort of a party party leader in the in, in the sort of the parliamentary labour party. but i think it's also, you know, she's, she's had a big brief for the last, you know, for the last however long it is with communities etc. so, you know, i think that she, i think that she has the right now to prove herself in government, and i'm sure that will give her the opportunity to do that. >> alastair. one appointment thatis >> alastair. one appointment that is nailed on is rachel reeves as chancellor. we saw jeremy hunt walking with his family, outside downing street earlier. he's moved out. number

11 is vacant until rachel reeves takes the mantle last night in his acceptance speech for returning, he won his seat again in surrey. jeremy hunt, he said that he wished rachel reeves well. yvette cooper. well do you think rachel reeves will be leaning on people like jeremy hunt for advice in that role as chancellor? no, for not one minute. >> in addition to of course, there'll be enough people in the labour party, darren jones is a number two in that department and also sits in the cabinet if tradition is followed. i mean, rachel knows exactly what's going on. she's been shadowing this for job quite going on. she's been shadowing this forjob quite some time. this for job quite some time. she's widely respected , which is she's widely respected, which is quite unusual for some chancellors from the labour party. she's widely respected in the city because she does know how it works, and she's worked in the banking sector and the bank of england before, and i think that she probably is, is quite a safe bet for keir in that sense. >> is she? because you know, in, in previous years she has been a little more left wing when it comes to taxes and the like. in

terms of her preferences, she's written about it before. that's that's certainly true. >> but also as the institute of fiscal studies pointed out, if she says, oh, we've just had a chance to look at the books and it's a lot worse than we thought it's a lot worse than we thought it was going to be. therefore, taxes are going up. she will be sunk without a trace. so she can write and say whatever she wants. >> but i'm not sure that's true because it's become a tradition in this country that neither party is honest about taxation. dufing party is honest about taxation. during the campaign. and as soon as they get into power, they say, oh, you know what? we've had a look at the books and it's much worse than we thought. the liberal democrats are exactly the same thing in 2010. that's why they were they backtracked on tuition fees because it only wasn't the money for their tuition fee policy. >> and i'm sure, jonathan, we're always lied to. >> but since the office of budget responsibility , that's budget responsibility, that's been transparent, we've known we've known exactly what the state of the numbers are. >> i agree with you, alistair, but i'm sure that the point is that because labour painted itself into a corner on taxation and was able and the

conservatives were able to corner labour by saying, by getting labour to say that they wouldn't raise those main taxes. now labour is in a real problem because they've got they know they have to spend real to money rebuild this country, and the non—doms aren't going to pay for it all. >> are they going to be covered by non—doms? >> i don't think they're i don't think they're quite enough non—doms to do it. >> and i wrote a piece the other day saying this, this nonsense about tax avoidance and evasion, which is a great debate. every budget that i did for nearly 15 years and, and reported upon always had a clause in it saying, we will clamp down on tax avoidance. and if there was that much to be had on banking taxes, it would have achieved anything and it would have been achieved by now. >> jonathan, how how long do labour have as a grace period to say, look, we've come in, we've seen the state of the books. it's a lot worse than we thought. how long can they keep that going before really the excuses run out, do you think? >> i think that most incoming governments have honeymoon penod governments have honeymoon period of 6 to 9 months? i think there will be a lot of goodwill. i mean, obviously labour doesn't have a big share of the vote. so

there are a lot of people, a majority of voters did not vote for labour, and that might be a problem going forward. i think that we can have conversations in the days and weeks ahead about the groups that labour has actually managed to alienate. i think that's an important conversation. we didn't talk much during the campaign about muslim voters , for example, but muslim voters, for example, but labour has actually lost seats because it alienated muslim voters so comprehensively. people like me were warning about that and condemning labour for that. in the first days of the of the why were you condemning them for that? because they because when starmer you can't just play to one community but when. no. but when starmer appeared to give carte blanche to israeli actions including war crimes at the very beginning, and we could see and it took him so long to row back from his apparent claim that israel had the right to withhold, for example , water and withhold, for example, water and electricity from gaza. that was a huge mistake . it took electricity from gaza. that was a huge mistake. it took him 7 or 8 days to say that's not what he meant to say, but the damage had already been done. and so you had a lot of, you know, a lot of his muslim councillors defecting and so on. and he's lost seats. he's literally lost seats there.

there are four seats that went and there are seats that came close to being lost as well. so that's a that's a constituency that's a that's a constituency that will have to that will have to work with progressives, people like islington, obviously islington north went to corbyn. there are a lot of people, a greens, of course, there are a lot of people that starmer has alienated that he will now have to get back onside. >> well, look, i mean they don't call him sir flip flop for nothing. but talking of alien alienating groups in the last couple of minutes, he's got his first bit of trouble on his hands. so keir starmer, he's been accused of excluding the deaf community by not having a sign language interpreter with him by his side outside downing street as he made his first speech as prime minister. so according to hearing charity rnid , government officials rnid, government officials pledged to have british sign language interpreters on hand. but there was nothing of the sort in the last hour or so. >> so his first faux pas? yeah that's, you know, that's i think it's an important conversation. >> you look at other countries and new zealand for example. remember during covid when jacinda ardern was talking, you always had a sign language interpreter next to her. it's i think that should be absolutely

standard in this country. it's not necessarily a question for starmer. it's a question for civil service. but yes, well it's an interesting one. >> it's an interesting one. those press releases are going to be coming thick and fast. >> does that does that count as the first starmer scandal? >> i don't think that's going to be i don't think that's going to be i don't think that's going to be the straw that breaks the honeymoon. the honeymoon's back. if you like. but look he does have a grace period. all incoming. >> and also jonathan, he will inherit some very favourable economic conditions. inflation down the bank of england set to reduce interest rates in august. mortgage rates coming down i mean this is down to immigration will be lower next year. nothing to do with him but he'll take it as a win of course. well, if you look at what happened in 1997, when the economy had been improving for the previous four years, that was the economy was doing a lot better when labour came in the last time. >> so i don't think that any reasonable economist would say that things are fantastic. with the economy, we're clearly growing faster than a lot of other countries are still stagnating. >> but let's go to growth. let's go. sorry to cut into you there so rudely, but we must go to our political editor, christopher

hope , who is on downing street hope, who is on downing street for us. christopher, do you have any updates for us, any any news? >> i'm afraid i don't. i got half an eye down down the street of downing street to whitehall, and i'm expecting, frankly , and i'm expecting, frankly, rachel reeves or angela rayner to walk through those gates and up into the famous front door and as soon as that happens, i'll come straight to you. those are the two jobs we know that sir keir starmer, will give to rachel reeves, the chancellor and the deputy leader, angela raynen and the deputy leader, angela rayner. what is interesting about angela rayner is what other role will she get? john prescott , of course, was deputy prescott, of course, was deputy prime minister and also had the environment, transport and the regions . at one point, he said a regions. at one point, he said a huge, huge area of policy. what area will angela renee want to do? i expect it to be local government and housing. i think that's what fits her skill set the best. but when it comes to jobs being shared out in any reshuffle, it's never quite as

straightforward as that chopper. >> talking of , reshuffles and >> talking of, reshuffles and people moving out of downing street, have you had eyes on larry the cat yet? i'm very keen to know his movements in the next couple of days. >> ben, you've got all the best questions. hang on. no. no sign of larry the cat at the moment . of larry the cat at the moment. larry the cat is a law unto himself. he has his own twitter feed, he's watching it all with with an ironic glint in his eye. and that's about that. he's seen it all before. he's not impressed by any of this stuff. he thinks it's all a bit of a joke, the whole thing. and that's probably quite a healthy approach to have towards politics sometimes. >> he was the leader of our great nation for momentarily, to according his twitter feed. anyway, while we were in between prime ministers that period, in between prime ministers. but there's a lot of big names. >> i've, i've, i've. >> sorry. go on. >> i was going to say i think cats are always think they're leaders of cats always think they're leaders of everything. emily. at all points even even when they're not well, the conversations we end up having while we're waiting for a cabinet to be unveiled.

>> but there are all sorts of people that could get top positions. emily thornberry i wonder what she'll get . she was wonder what she'll get. she was a shadow attorney general. who else ? we've got lisa nandy, else? we've got lisa nandy, she's international development at the moment, but perhaps she'll be moved all sorts of opfions she'll be moved all sorts of options for sir keir starmer, but he's got to play this carefully . carefully. >> yes. and he's kept his cards very, very close to his chest. as i say, he's confirmed the two roles for angela rayner and rachel reeves . otherwise we just rachel reeves. otherwise we just don't know. i'm guessing that john healey at defence stays where he is. i'm guessing that david lammy stays where he is despite his those remarks about donald trump, and the support from nigel farage to get talked to the trump camp will be helpful because he's and of course, we know that david lammy is very, very close to the, the democrats. and recently i think he's been meeting with senior democrats in washington. so we know that, but other roles. yeah. bridget phillipson education that looks likely because she's been quite front

and centre of the party's education policy. and defending it, particularly on private schools and removing, vat from, the exemption status from the fees there. but otherwise it's quite a blank canvas. and, the, the labour party and sir keir starmer particularly has been very keen not to talk about things, post him becoming prime minister to avoid being seen to measure up the curtains. one thing he did tell us, though, on tuesday i found fascinating, there's an event in about ten days time at blenheim palace. it's a meeting of the of the european, community. it's a wider grouping than just the eu. about 44 countries. and he made clear he's going to make that event almost a small boat wmmw event almost a small boat summit. so there'll be raised the issue of illegal migration and how to deal with that, that issue on uk soil. and it'll be outside of the european union's ambit. so there's a real chance , ambit. so there's a real chance, i think, for the for the prime minister. sir keir starmer to

try and show he's, he's hit the ground running on small boats. and also i think on that issue , and also i think on that issue, the shadow home secretary, yvette cooper, i do expect her to stay where she is a small boat summit. >> well, thank you very much. christopher hope, our political edhon christopher hope, our political editor. please do keep in touch. let us know if you hear anything on the ground there or if you see anything. and more importantly, or see any one, we're going to have, nigel farage very shortly, aren't we? >> very imminently. and again, chopper there touching on the fact that farage, helped connect david lammy, the, the shadow foreign secretary, with donald trump's team in the us. an extraordinary revelation. do you not think , alastair, i yes, it not think, alastair, i yes, it was extraordinary . was extraordinary. >> and it's typical of farage to do the homework on it and come up with killer quotes and assign them to the putative foreign secretary, who perhaps will no longer be the foreign secretary. i was just looking back over my notes and a name that leapt out at me is hilary benn, who again, as a man who's been around for a

long time, is not disliked by the left of the party, not least because of his dad. but if sir keir is going to take another look at some of the nuances of europe, hilary is the man to do it. >> sorry alastair stewart, but christopher hope has some news for us. christopher >> oh, hello. hello, both. sorry angela rayner is walking down the street in a resplendent . the street in a resplendent. >> so i think we've lost chopper temporarily. there's angela raynen temporarily. there's angela rayner, the was the deputy prime minister, shadow deputy pm shadow levelling up secretary. where is she going to be appointed now in sir keir starmer's brand new cabinet. what kind of role will she be given ? let's go back to chopper. given? let's go back to chopper. >> which job do you want in cabinet, miss rayner ? shadow cabinet, miss rayner? shadow housing secretary. >> it's so strange seeing labour community secretary. >> you know what? what job do you want, angela rayner? what job do you want in government ? job do you want in government? angela rayner. they're not answering my questions. but there we have it. as expected,

as we forecast the first person in through the front door is the deputy leader of the labour party, angela rayner. and that would be quite an important relationship for sir keir starmer to get right, she of course is elected by members. she can't be sacked from the role as deputy leader. but what can be negotiated is what role she has in government and what role sir keir starmer gives to her. that role that relationship with angela rayner will be absolutely crucial over the next five years. >> yes, it will be christopher and there she is , marching with and there she is, marching with her face looking quite stern , her face looking quite stern, looking, walking with purpose to number 10, a big moment for angela rayner. it will be very interesting indeed. >> she didn't look like she's appointed to. >> she didn't look like she'd just won an election, a thumping majority, did she? >> well, what were you . >> well, what were you. >> well, what were you. >> what do you think she should? >> what do you think she should? >> i don't know, maybe smile and wave to chopper. he's a nice chap, you know. i'm sure they've crossed paths many times before, but very serious, focused, walking into number 10, and

interestingly, from my perspective, wearing green as well. >> yes. i wonder how you would do it , ben, if >> yes. i wonder how you would do it, ben, if you were walking into number 10, a little wave to throw a grin for the camera, you'd answer all the questions as you go. >> given recent weeks and months, maybe angie doesn't feel she owes the press anything right? therefore isn't going to p0p right? therefore isn't going to pop over and have a casual word with them. >> there's a serious point there, alistair, which you raise, actually. i mean, surely you'd want to get on the side of the press over the next five years. you don't want to start things on the wrong foot, do you not think, >> i do think that that's probably true, but i'm not sure that the scrum that you see there before you in the bottom right hand corner of your frame, if you're watching on television rather than listening on radio, is necessarily the way for , for is necessarily the way for, for angie to do it just the way i think the real ultimate missed opportunity today was sir keir starmer, in what was his first big public speech as prime minister, which i thought was a flop flat as a pancake. >> you described it . >> you described it. >> you described it. >> why do you. absolutely. >> why do you. absolutely. >> why do you. absolutely. >> why do you think it was a

flop? >> i thought it was devoid of humour , warmth, wit, policy. and humour, warmth, wit, policy. and to say i'm a ideological free zone is a nonsense. he's a guy who said during the campaign, i'm a socialist and proud of it. i'm a socialist and proud of it. i thought it was, i thought it was a missed opportunity. you don't have to go the whole hog and do the thatcher thing of quoting theologians and what have you, but you need to hit the ground running and saying something positive and the stuff about rediscovering who we are was utter . i know who we are. was utter. i know who we are. i know what my country is and i love it. et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. and as for him being the new font of growth, i will watch this space with great educated interest. >> i thought it actually struck the right balance between sobriety and austerity and hope, because he knows that he hasn't got jonathan. he knows this is in 1997. he knows that this has not been a thumping endorsement of the labour party. he knows the conservatives have lost this. so he couldn't be triumphalist.

this. so he couldn't be triumphalist . and he knows that triumphalist. and he knows that he's not going to be able to solve all. >> he could have used a metaphor or two, a little bit of colour, a little bit of passion, a little bit of wit. >> he talked about brick by brick, rebuilding the infrastructure of opportunity. >> yes. i think that is quite, i mean, i thought literal. >> i thought it was literal, though, was a good line. >> and he was he was honest, i think. i thought that he was aware of the lack of trust that people have in politicians and that he had to acknowledge that. and he did. and so once he was talking about that, he said, we are going to be a government in your service. i think a lot of people feel that the conservative government had completely lost its way, that it was looking out for itself, for not the people. yeah. >> now with angela rayner, alistair isn't happy with the job she's given. she could cause trouble, couldn't she? >> well, it happened before and then she ended up getting 14 jobs on the same day. so i'm one of the high points in recent british politics when angie throws her toys out of the pram, it's very noisy. >> they're not going to be stupid. they know what they're

doing. they they they're going to be enough problems that are going to hit them from left field without making their own. at first. >> right. well, now we have a split screen for you if you're watching us, we have one eye on reform uk. nigel farage is set to make a big speech following his election win down in clacton and on our right we are continuing with an eye on downing street as sir keir starmer begins to unveil his new cabinet. >> jonathan, do you think this is phase two of farage's battle plan? first phase taking out the tories, obliterating them . tories, obliterating them. second phase, he said this morning this labour government will be in trouble very, very quickly. we are coming for laboun quickly. we are coming for labour. there's no enthusiasm for them. we're coming for labour voters, no doubt about that. this is the first step of something that's going to stun all of you. >> well, i mean, it's unlike nigel farage to be pompous in his language . so that came as his language. so that came as a surprise. what he said just there. but look, there is a ceiling to reform support. just

like there was a ceiling to the brexit party. and ukip, he is not going to start taking london seats. he's not going to be camping on the lib dems front lawn . he is camping on the lib dems front lawn. he is going to be a very narrow enterprise. he's going to be fighting it out for the tories . and that might suit tories. and that might suit labour quite well, because if reform is managing to draw the tories in to fight them , that tories in to fight them, that means the tories are going to be further away from the centre. >> can you be so sure? can you be so sure? looking to the continent, we were speaking to matt goodwin earlier. he's been following the movement of, you know, national conservatism and the different variations there is a movement across europe to more right wing, more nationalistic policies. surely nigel farage will be one of the key drivers of that. >> he'll certainly want to be. but i just don't think we know that there is a threshold at which that kind of movement peters out. we're not going to have , you know, a thumping have, you know, a thumping majority right now. well, even in france, actually, i mean, there are there are obviously we don't know what's going to happen with the run off, but there are signs that the far

right won't do as well as as had been predicted. and when push comes to shove, if you have a choice of one or the other, that people will tend to go for the other option, you know, in the same way that marine le pen may not ever win the presidency, because faced with another opponent, there just won't be 50 plus percent of the french people who want that. >> alyssa, do you agree? there is a short ceiling for reform , a is a short ceiling for reform, a low ceiling, a low ceiling for a form that they can only you know, they can't get beyond in terms of vote share. >> no, i don't actually. and i'd repeat what i said in a previous conversation, and i would just urge students of these matters to look back at what happened to the sdp and the split within labour at that time, back at the turn of the 80s and the 90s. i think what farage and reform uk need more than what happened last night and yesterday is they need a few chunky defections and what really made that division within the labour party work was

the loss of roy jenkins and shirley williams, and the guy who used to be transport secretary, whose name always escapes me. bill rodgers was the other one. oh, yes, then i think we really might be in business about a, a fundamental shift in british politics. my old mate andrew neil, tweeted last night that he didn't think that nigel farage with that number of mps, would that be that significant within the house of commons. but he did think that farage and reform uk would be deeply significant in the restructuring and realignment of the right in british politics, and i think that's what will happen unless perhaps we'll hear a little more aboutin perhaps we'll hear a little more about in just a moment. >> well, yes, exactly. thank you for doing the work for us. we are, of course, still looking on the screen at both the reform uk party, where nigel farage is due to speak again in a central london location , and on the london location, and on the right, of course, one eye on downing street, where sir keir starmer is meeting with his team, deciding his cabinet. >> jonathan talking about the ceiling. you think there is on reform and farage. one thing that they've kind of set aside

themselves from the tories is that young conservative voters, or would be voters, really had nothing to conserve anymore, that people aren't having kids, they're not having families. and houses or buying assets. everyone's just, you know, to be frank , fairly skint with farage. frank, fairly skint with farage. there seems to be this phenomena that they're now connecting with 18, 19, 20 year olds, not least because of his traction on social media. i mean, i'm looking at his tiktok nigel farage, a tiktok account now, nearly a million, a million followers, 15 million likes. his twitter has got nearly 2 million followers. and in all these videos, these short, snappy videos, these short, snappy videos on the general election , videos on the general election, him out campaigning, swigging beer and so on, he is really connecting with these new, younger voters who potentially otherwise may have gone to laboun >>i laboun >> i think that's, a reasonable observation that the tories that will never be cool. the tories are not a cool party, but you have an insurgent party, never say never, jonathan. they can take some people, some young people with them. what i've

always found really interesting is that in many countries in europe, young people are the ones voting for the far right, and older voters are the ones sticking with the mainstream centre, centrist parties. so, for example, in france, young people are turning out for le pen, which isn't. it hasn't been the case here. young people were not voting for the brexit party. they weren't voting for. >> is it reasonable to call the reform party far right? why are there far right policies? i think i can't think of any far right policies. >> there are elements of the far right in them. in that party we saw the racist remarks of many of their candidates. i think we have to be honest about that. i'm not saying that. >> hang on. these these candidates were just kind of nobodies drafted in at the last second. and their vetting company, you know, farage accused the vetting company of stitching them up. they didn't do their job properly. they're do theirjob properly. they're now suing the vetting company. it was very last gasp. >> nigel farage has been has allied himself with with far right figures in europe for a long time. the comments he did with marine le pen comments he's not to the comments he's made about, sort of muslim people in

the past, you know, have been have alienated a lot of people. yes. >> i think that's fair to say. he is a very divisive figure in uk politics. a lot of love for him out there, a lot of palpable love for him. but yes, a lot of, loathing as well. >> one thing we can say is that the kind of ostensible or the kind of flagrantly , overtly far kind of flagrantly, overtly far right parties in this country have kind of disappeared. we don't talk about the british national party anymore, but that doesn't mean the people who used to vote for the british national party, or who would vote for the national party, have suddenly disappeared or died out. >> well, i'm sure there are racist to vote for every party they are, there is there is a contingent in every country that would vote for that kind of politics. >> and at the moment, those people are going to reform nigel farage himself says nobody's done more to rid the country of the far right than nigel farage defeated the bnp. >> we're just going to go straight to christopher hope. christopher, you got an update for us? >> yeah, we've got pat mcfadden. the next one through the door. pat mcfadden , hello, pat. what

pat mcfadden, hello, pat. what job are you gonna get in? cabinet same job before cabinet office. not sure. you must know it's pat mcfadden. they're going to 10 downing street, waving his hands @gbnews, saying he doesn't know what job he's going to get. i'm not entirely sure he's being entirely right, though. he must have some idea. he ran the successful, election campaign, but he's saying, i can't help you this time, chris. there we go. >> chris, i admire your determination , it deserves a determination, it deserves a return. i'll do my best for you guys. i'll say that. >> so , no. >> so, no. >>- >> so, no. >> no update on angela rayner. she's gone in, but she hasn't come out. >> no . no, indeed. and what's >> no. no, indeed. and what's going to happen? we think i'm told what's going to happen is they won't all disappear into they won't all disappear into the kind of black hole of downing street or even go out on onto on 70 whitehall through the cabinet office. they are expected to walk out straight down this , this, this out the down this, this, this out the front door and then straight ahead all the way through, the

treasury and the and the foreign office. so we're expecting that to happen, and we'll wait and see. but and when they come out, we'll be shouting, i'll be shouting at them on your behalf, what job have you got? but this is, and we'll, we'll learn soon enough.the is, and we'll, we'll learn soon enough. the usual channels, but we'll try and find out more information as it happens for gb news viewers. >> okay, chris and listeners, keep up the good work. all. one eye on downing street, one eye, of course, on central london, where nigel farage is due to be speaking imminently. >> keeping that one eye crucially on number 10 downing street as well, a name that i don't think we've mentioned in our conversations but is utterly crucial to this process is sue gray who was a very, very senior civil servant who helped put the knife into boris johnson over partygate. many would say quite rightly, anyway, she was then snapped up, recruited and appointed chief of staff, snapped up, recruited and appointed chief of staff , for appointed chief of staff, for sir keir starmer and she will be inside number 10 right now, pulling all sorts of strings and also what i know of the way

number 10 works under all parties is that no senior office will be announced without it being approved by the chief executive. >> very good point. >> very good point. >> nigel farage is live now in central london. let's go to his press . press. conference. >> good afternoon everybody. nigel, on the 3rd of june, on the 3rd of june, i thank you, mate . where are you from ? where mate. where are you from? where are you from? oh, well, that makes sense . makes sense. >> you always say yes . >> you always say yes. >> you always say yes. >> are you downwind of a couple of renee ? you've got a bigger of renee? you've got a bigger lunch than i've had . so he must lunch than i've had. so he must be screaming. he's absolutely steaming, isn't he ? steaming, isn't he? >> rac. that's right. there's still plenty of beer left in the pub, mate. bye bye. have a

lovely day. bye bye. those who love. those who love. bye bye bye . you better save our bye. you better save our country. >> as i was saying . as i was >> as i was saying. as i was saying . on the 3rd of june. saying. on the 3rd of june. nigel, you're a. i decided that i would not. >> well, i decided i would not bonng >> well, i decided i would not boring this country. boring you're boring. you're. no better wearing boring , boring, boring wearing boring, boring, boring bonng wearing boring, boring, boring boring boring boring boring bonng. boring boring boring boring boring . anyone else? boring. anyone else? >> well, this is good preparation for the house of commons, i suppose, isn't it? >> very good preparation. >> very good preparation. >> it's going to be very lively in there, isn't it ? oh, dude.

in there, isn't it? oh, dude. buck up. >> really? please, love. i'm so sorry. please go away . well, i'm sorry. please go away. well, i'm enjoying this . my darling. have enjoying this. my darling. have a lovely day. lots of . love. anymore. >> anymore for anymore . >> anymore for anymore. actually, yes. yes . actually, yes. yes. >> i mean, we haven't organised this very well anyway . this very well anyway. emphasised the nhs. for some reason, i'm with you very angry. oh, dear . listen, mate, reason, i'm with you very angry. oh, dear. listen, mate, you'll have a stroke . andrew doyle have a stroke. andrew doyle reform. you'll have a stroke . reform. you'll have a stroke. but that don't mean you'll do

yourself a nasty mate. >> honestly, nigel, the working class you'll ever. >> you'll have a stroke if you go on like this. hey, watch out for channel 4 soon. bye. bye bye. >> yeah, well, we'll find out later whether they're actors and whether they worked in conjunction with channel 4. >> this could go on for hours or something, right? i don't. no problem at all. yeah >> it means you're doing something. they may well be actors. they may well be actors, we've seen this before, but channel 4, of course, had absolutely nothing to do with it. >> yes, yes

it. - >> yes, yes . it. — >> yes, yes . oh the >> yes, yes. oh the anger. >> yes, yes. oh the anger. >> the anger. well at least they're showing their anger in public. they're showing their anger in pubuc.the they're showing their anger in public. the political establishment are in fear in private as to what happened last night with those results in the elections and i said on the 3rd of june, when i decided to come out of retirement and get back involved in frontline politics, that i had two very clear objectives. the first was for us to get millions of votes. the second was to establish a bndgeheadin second was to establish a bridgehead in parliament. and you can see there are four of us up here now as we bite our nails with what is going on in basildon and thurrock right now , basildon and thurrock right now, where our candidate, james murdoch, on the first count was ahead by 120 votes on the second

count, was ahead again and there was a full recount taking place as i speak. so i'm very hopeful it won't be, for i'm very hopeful that it will be five within the space of the next couple of hours . couple of hours. >> now . >> now. >> now. >> the results show us some very interesting things. if we had proportional representation, we'd be looking at nearly 100 seats. but equally equally, first past the post inverts the other way where labour get almost the same number of votes they got. well, if that less fewer votes they got under corbyn and yet 200 more seats. it is very much my view that our outdated first past the post electoral system is not fit for purpose, and we will campaign with anyone and everyone to change this electoral system that certainly will be doing and

will make those arguments in parliament as quickly as we can. the result show there is absolutely no enthusiasm for starmer's labour, what so ever. and it was interesting . it was and it was interesting. it was interesting to watch starmer speak outside number 10, his first prime ministerial address , first prime ministerial address, having been to see the king. and, you know, in the course of that speech, he looked down at his notes over 150 times. once every 2.8 seconds. now, i don't think these people with me need a script because they know what they believe . they believe. in. and when it

comes to providing the voice of opposition, well, we may be too few in to number necessarily be thought of as the opposition in the house of commons. but let me promise you something. we are going to be the opposition around the country. we are all committed to working for our constituents. we are all committed to doing the best we can in parliament, but above all, what we are going to do from today is we are going to professionalise the party. we are going to democratise the party and those few bad apples that have crept in will be gone, will be long gone , and we will will be long gone, and we will never have any of their type back in our organisation. you have my 100% promise on that. what is remarkable is the energy and enthusiasm of those that

have come to us over the course of the last few weeks. they were voting with passion . we organise voting with passion. we organise meetings around the country at 24 hours notice. the venues were all full. this energy and optimism is being reflected today as one member of the public, every minute joins the party. a member a minute is joining the party as we speak, and it really is my aim and ambition to create a mass movement across this country that will change politics for good, that will change politics forever. we've got the energy, we've got the optimism, we've got the enthusiasm, and we will do it. now, i'd like you please to listen to the member of parliament for boston and skegness , richard tice . skegness, richard tice. >> right. that was a rather dramatic press conference start

with nigel farage. a number of hecklers shouting all sorts . but hecklers shouting all sorts. but here we now have rachel reeves, who has been working as the shadow chancellor for the labour party . it's now her turn to go party. it's now her turn to go into number 10. will she continue on as chancellor? there she is stepping into number 10. >> so how many protesters were at that reform press conference? 4 or 5, actually. you know, we were laughing at the start and giggling. but in actual fact, nigel farage is an mp now. he's a member of parliament and we've seen what has happened in recent years when mps have been subject to political violence. i think it's a disgrace that serious breach of security and it really it it bodes ill. >> i think, for the party as well, because they should have vetted everybody in that room because clearly, you know, and i loathe farage's politics, but clearly he is a target. >> we're just going to go back to richard tice at this reform presser. let's see what he has to say. >> majority ever.

my >> majority ever. my constituents want an mp standing here in westminster shouting from the rooftops a national voice representing their concerns . their concerns. >> and the truth is that they feel poorer . that >> and the truth is that they feel poorer. that is the reality. wages have been suppressed and the quality of life , contrary to what has been life, contrary to what has been promised, has reduced the access to health care is worse. people feel less secure on their streets. they're wondering, how did this happen ? that's why i've did this happen? that's why i've been sent to parliament and my pledge to my constituencies. whatever the issue, we will stand up, we will debate it. we will talk about it. we won't be

too afraid about it. i'll just give you one example. when net zero was signed through westminster in 90 minutes without a debate in 2019, no cost. did anyone say that it would require hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of massive pylons to sear through the countryside of boston and skegness, ruining their constituency? no one mentioned that what we're about is the truth. telling it as it is. so my pledge to everybody in boston and skegness, whether you voted for me, voted for me or did not, i will stand up for you. i will represent you in parliament and in your constituency and we at reform uk, we will make a difference. we will change politics for good. thank you very much .

very much. >> michael crick right. well, there you go. richard tice just gave a speech. nigel is back up at the platform, but we're just going to cut across very quickly to downing street. i believe as a number of people have been entering this, john healey , who entering this, john healey, who is entering, into downing street to find out what position he has. he is currently the shadow secretary of state for defence. well, he was before the labour win would require hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of massive pylons to be there. >> certainly . >> certainly. >> certainly. >> i think the new defence have a nice white man. >> okay. thanks, chopper. at least you got a response, unlike angela rayner. so possibly defence secretary there, we've had rachel reeves, angela raynen had rachel reeves, angela rayner, john healey , is that it? rayner, john healey, is that it? who else has gone in? >> i believe we've also had shabana mahmood, also enter into number 10. so we'll be finding out very shortly what positions

those people have been given. >> can i just say healey is fascinating because he has one foot in the blair camp and historically as well. but shadow housing for a long time. and sir keir is going to make housing a big issue. >> this is this is wes streeting, the shadow health secretary. let's see what chopper has to say to him. right. >> thank you. okay. so now we've got the shadow health secretary, wes streeting arriving. almost certainly going to be running. hell, the health service after his, passionate defence of using private health care to clear the nhs waiting list. wes streeting. are you the new health secretary, sir? do you want to . secretary, sir? do you want to. be wes streeting? he says we'll find out in a minute. i said you want to be? he said. absolutely brilliant. >> okay, well, there you go . >> okay, well, there you go. >> okay, well, there you go. >> where's lee anderson's talking at the reform presser back in central london. let's go back in central london. let's go back there and then go back to

parliament the following week and ask the same questions that they're asking in the pubs, industries and the shops. >> the supermarkets. it's that simple. and just a few years ago, i was one of those people like you out here looking at the tv, looking at the green benches, screaming at the tv , benches, screaming at the tv, saying, what the hell are you playing at? get brexit done, sort yourselves out, listen to us. and they just don't listen. but you know what? these people listen here. nigel listens, richard listens and rupert listens. when we go for that place next week. i can't wait to get on the green benches for this one. >> these are the people. thank you . you. >> can you imagine this shy and retiring nigel farage standing too scared to speak out and speak his mind. listen, expect fireworks next week because these people are going to start speaking common sense instead of self serving their self interest . self serving their self interest. they're going to speak up on

behalf of the british people . behalf of the british people. we're going to get the job done. this starmer and his motley crew, i'm telling you now, there's about 400 of them. absolutely scares me to death. i can be sat on the green benches next week looking at them and taking my goodness, what has this country come to? but these four here, including me, maybe five, two, five, four at the moment. i'm hoping is going to be the famous five next week. but we're going to go next week. we're going to kick some ass, and we're going to hold these people to account and speak up on behalf of the british people. thank you. nigel >> okay. david lammy is approaching david lammy david lammy is walking down downing street. he's a shadow foreign secretary david lammy. will you be the foreign secretary, sir? will you be foreign secretary? do you want to be david lammy? do you want to be david lammy? do you want to be foreign secretary . secretary. >> secretary, sir. >> secretary, sir. >> no answer there. from david

lammy. just a slight grin, but nothing more than that. so david lammy, they're sort of smiling, but saying no more than that. but we'll find out if he's getting the job of foreign secretary. speculation it might go to douglas alexander, the new mp elected in the election yesterday. but we'll wait and see. but as things stand, no one else coming for now. but that was david lammy going in there. so all the big beasts now, we haven't yet seen , yvette cooper, haven't yet seen, yvette cooper, who i expect to be made the home secretary , she hasn't yet, secretary, she hasn't yet, hasn't yet appeared. but we're looking at the great office of state have gone in surprising to see john healey going in before david lammy. i'd have thought david lammy. i'd have thought david lammy. i'd have thought david lammy might have been much more senior in the appointments. i don't know where, i don't know where yvette cooper is. i mean, it may be that she hasn't got the job of home secretary and it may have gone to maybe somebody else. that's interesting. we don't know that, but normally they fill the jobs as they go down slowly, i think i can see peter kyle coming down the road now , in a grey suit. he's some. now, in a grey suit. he's some. even with my eyesight, it's hard to pick him, but peter kyle, the

important ones have gone in. well, we haven't seen yvette cooper yet , so wait and see. we cooper yet, so wait and see. we might not. >> peter karl of course. he won a thumping majority down in hove in east sussex. chopper. a good result for him last night. yeah >> exactly. and yes. and he was has been a formerly a shadow home. shadow northern ireland secretary. he's waiting a bit hanging back a bit to make his make his entrance. but there's quite a number of shadow cabinet ministers in there now. and i wonder what they. if they're having a debate. i wonder what pat mcfadden's getting because he can't be deputy leader. he might get a job in a cabinet office. or could he be? maybe he could be the, the new home secretary . we certainly haven't secretary. we certainly haven't yet seen if that could be going in. and i find that bit interesting at this stage. no more than that. we're dealing with a christopherjust run us through again who we've seen just run us through the list of who we've seen. >> please. >> please. >> okay. shabana mahmood, david lammy , angela rayner, rachel

lammy, angela rayner, rachel reeves, i asked