houn hour, broadcaster and next hour, broadcaster and journalist danny kelly and also broadcaster and author christine hamilton. in a few moments time, we'll be going head to head in the clash with former home office minister norman baker and also editor at large at the mail on sunday, charlotte griffiths, the tories, they suffered their biggest defeat in history. but what's next for the party.7 are there any conservative members left who who trust them .7 left who who trust them? >> millions of our voters were betrayed and angry with the conservatives. >> you're not wrong . then for >> you're not wrong. then for nana nigel, i'll be giving my verdict on why the tories lost. and this week my outside guest. now she's a singer songwriter known for her electric mix of musical styles and was born in the early 2000. we've made sure she's fully blurred. can you guess who she is? and then in clip bait . seagull flies into a clip bait. seagull flies into a store. what happens next? but

before we get started, let's get your latest news headlines . your latest news headlines. >> thanks, nana. 3:01. our top stories this hour. the prime minister has told the palestinian president that recognising the state of palestine as part of a middle east peace process is an undeniable right. sir keir starmer spoke to mahmoud abbas earlier today. he also spoke to his israeli counterpart benjamin netanyahu, setting out the, quote, clear and urgent need for a ceasefire. labour's election manifesto committed the party to recognising a palestinian state as part of a process that results in a two state solution . results in a two state solution. well, the prime minister is beginning a uk tour today as he tries to reset the relationship between westminster and the devolved nations. sir keir starmer is heading to edinburgh, where he's expected to meet

first minister john swinney. the pm says his government will place scotland back at the beating heart of everything it does. he's also promised to turn his back on, quote, tribalism and usher in an era of stability, likely contenders in the tory leadership battle are starting to emerge today, using newspaper articles and interviews to say what they think went wrong , former home think went wrong, former home secretary suella braverman said that rishi sunak had run a, quote, idiotic strategy and needed to take a tougher line on reducing immigration. meanwhile, x immigration minister robert jenrick said failing to reduce numbers was our biggest and most damaging failure and former health secretary victoria atkins said the country was still instinctively conservative, with labour support spread very thinly . suella braverman says thinly. suella braverman says the tories are facing an existential threat from reform uk. the former home secretary told gb news they lost hundreds of brilliant conservative mps because of nigel farage's party.

she also said there is only room for one conservative party in british politics. she's urging her fellow mps to decide what type of party they are and, quote, neutralise the threat . quote, neutralise the threat. >> we lost hundreds of brilliant conservative mps because of reform . reform. >> millions of our voters were betrayed and angry with the conservatives, and they went to an alternative reform. so i believe whoever's leading the party, whoever's in the party, needs to acknowledge this basic truth that we are facing an existential threat from reform , existential threat from reform, and we need to change ourselves to ensure that we neutralise that threat, that we bring those people back home. >> meanwhile, reform uk chairman richard tice told us the tories have had their chance. >> well, look, i mean, our progress and success has been self—evident for the last six months. they will have the chance to join us, to defect to us like lee anderson did. they

decided to stay in the existing conservative tent and in a sense, you know, there are consequences to people's decisions . they made that decisions. they made that decisions. they made that decision and in a sense, they paid the price . that's what paid the price. that's what competition is all about. i mean, we came second in almost 100 seats across the united kingdom. we're now the dominant opposition in the north of england to the labour party. so we've made huge progress. and i come back, you know , competition come back, you know, competition is a fundamental conservative principle. they should believe in it. >> the funeral of former rugby england international rob burrow is taking place in pontefract. the 41 year old died on june 2nd after a lengthy battle with motor neurone disease today. today's service coincides with leeds rhinos annual celebration of rob burrow day, marking the number seven shirt that he wore dunng number seven shirt that he wore during his rugby league career. members of the public were ianed members of the public were invited to stand on the roadside and to pay their respects as the funeral cortege made its way to the service . england will face

the service. england will face the service. england will face the netherlands in the euro semi—finals on wednesday after beating switzerland in germany last night. the three lions squeaked past the swiss on penalties five three after the game ended, one all after extra time. the prince of wales was among football fans rejoicing as england won , describing the england won, describing the match as nail biting to the very end. in france, voters are heading to the polls for the second round of elections, including french president emmanuel macron, who cast his ballot earlier on. the result is expected to reconfigure the political landscape there, with national rally likely to win the most votes but fall short of a majority. last sunday, marine le pen's party scored historic gains to win the first round. they've seen increased support off the back of voter concerns over the cost of living and immigration. all right. those are the latest gb news headlines. for now, i'm ray addison more in half an hour for the very latest gb news direct

to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code , or go to gbnews.com. code, or go to gbnews.com. >> forward slash alerts . >> forward slash alerts. >> forward slash alerts. >> good afternoon. it is fast approaching seven minutes after 3:00. we are britain's news channel. i'm nana akua. now, before we get stuck into the debates over the next hour, let me introduce you to my clashes today. joining me, former home office minister norman baker and also editor at large at the mail on sunday, charlotte griffiths. right. here's what else coming up in this hour. could suella braverman be next in line for the tory party leadership? >> we lost hundreds of brilliant conservative mps because of reform. >> millions of our voters were betrayed and angry with the conservatives and they went to an alternative reform that we are facing an existential threat from. >> i wonder what she's facing. a threat from would try and play the next bit. i'm curious, but

she was on earlier in camilla tominey show and now sir keir starmer's new government has made strides already in their first days in government. but are they right to scrap the rwanda policy? >> look, the rwanda scheme was dead and buried before it started. >> it's never been a deterrent, look at the numbers that have come over in the first six and a bit months of this year. >> they are record numbers . >> they are record numbers. >> they are record numbers. >> that is the problem that we are inheriting. >> it has never acted as a deterrent. >> almost the opposite , because >> almost the opposite, because everybody has worked out, particularly the gangs that run this, that the chance of ever going to rwanda was so slim, less than 1% then for the great british debate this out, i'm asking, should sir keir starmer be clocking off early? so on a friday? i've been doing this for years. i will not do a work related thing after 6:00. >> is that realistic for a prime minister? and in clip bait ?

minister? and in clip bait? what happens next? it's actually a swan. tell me what you think. on everything you're discussing. you can email or send me your comments via gbnews.com/yoursay . comments via gbnews.com/yoursay. all right, we'll kick things off with suella braverman following the tories biggest election defeat in their history, she spoke to camilla tominey earlier on gb news and the question on everyone's mind was will she be standing for leadership? >> can we just cut to the chase? >> can we just cut to the chase? >> are you standing? >> are you standing? >> oh gosh , i know camilla. >> oh gosh, i know camilla. >> oh gosh, i know camilla. >> you want you want the drama. you want the headlines? i'm going to have to disappoint you. why? no announcements? listen why, why, why are you holding back? >> because it's obvious from your speech when you won your seat on thursday night, early friday morning, it's been obvious from some of the op eds you've written before. the election. it's certainly obvious from what you've written in the sunday telegraph today that you are to use the press expression

on manoeuvres. so why not just confirm that you want to lead the party? >> listen. >> listen. >> because unlike 2019, and unlike in 2022, we are we have the luxury of being in opposition. there is no urgency to install a new leader. what is urgent and absolutely essential now is that we as a party, reflect and accept what got us into this existentially damaging situation and at the moment, that's what concerns me the most. there is still disagreement. there are many of my colleagues, both inside parliament and outside, who believe that we just need to do more of the same , not more of more of the same, not more of the same. >> well, listen , the tories lost >> well, listen, the tories lost millions of voters in this election and suella suggests that they were betrayed . that they were betrayed. >> we lost hundreds of brilliant conservative mps because of reform . millions of our voters reform. millions of our voters were betrayed and angry with the conservatives, and they went to an alternative reform that we

are facing an existential threat from reform . from reform. >> so the threat is from reform not, but perhaps on their own policies, infighting, scandals and a lack of trust that led to the, to what some would say was their own downfall. >> we're all in this together. that's why the first thing i said when i got re—elected was, i'm sorry. yes, i'm sorry to the british people. my party let you down. i'm implicated as well. we're all in this together. no, i get it. i'm not passing the blame on to anybody else. we've all got to take responsibility . all got to take responsibility. >> it's done, is done. and the conservatives have a lot of rebuilding to do to gain back the public trust. but what are their ambitions? moving forward? >> we need some stability. and rishi sunak has announced that he's going to resign, but he has to stay in to just maintain an ordering, a functional party. but we need to also, you know, we can't, you know, have this introspective soul searching going on for, you know , going on for, you know, indefinitely. we also need to get fighting fit and start

opposing the labour party. because i tell you what, they are going to use this window whilst we are navel gazing to, you know, bring in pretty harmful things to our country, whether it's on immigration, whether it's on immigration, whether it's on immigration, whether it's tax we've already seen the most. >> so all those things are joining me now is gb news political correspondent olivia utley olivia, the former home secretary. what do you think about that, suella braverman is saying that the conservatives need to spend time now reflecting. what do they need to reflecting. what do they need to reflect on? it's quite obvious what went wrong. surely >> well, there are lots of conservatives in the party. not just suella braverman. who's saying that we need to reflect on what went wrong. there is basically two schools of thought in the conservative party at the moment. there's the suella braverman school of thought , braverman school of thought, which is that the conservatives lost all of these votes because of the existential threat from reform, because the conservatives weren't doing enough about immigration, because the rwanda plan didn't work, because the conservatives refused to leave the echr and

thatis refused to leave the echr and that is why voters turned away from the conservatives and towards reform. but that doesn't actually explain the whole reason why the conservatives lost this election. if every single reform voter had gone over to the conservatives in 2024, as robert jenrick pointed out today, the conservatives would have won 290 seats, but that still wouldn't have been enough to win a majority, which means there is a gap for other conservatives to talk into. and those conservatives on the left of the party, on the whole, are suggesting that what went wrong is actually that the country veered too far to the right and that actually the lib dems picked up 72 seats. if all of those seats had gone over to the conservatives, then the conservatives, then the conservatives would have done really pretty well. so i think what we're going to see now, over the next weeks and months ahead, is a sort of fight for the heart and soul of the conservative party robert jenrick actually wrote a very interesting piece in the times this morning. he's a former immigration minister who quit alongside suella braverman because he didn't think that the prime minister was doing enough

to get the rwanda plan through. but before, he was a good friend of rishi sunak. and he says that actually it's not about whether they should tax the right or whether they should tack to the left. it's about showing that they can deliver on what they've promised , which he says they promised, which he says they didn't really do in the last government. so actually , really, government. so actually, really, there are three schools of thought going on. move to the left, move to the right, or just show that you can actually do what you're promising to do. and i think that's the battle that we will see raging on right up until a new conservative party leader is elected and the conservatives aren't in a rush. this time around. they're not in government. whoever their leader is will not be the new prime minister. so they can they can. they're afforded the luxury of having a bit of time , a bit of having a bit of time, a bit of time, but not too long. >> let's say they don't naval gaze for ages. olivia utley, thank you so much. really good to talk to you. that is olivia utley. she's our political correspondent. she's out there in westminster. well, joining me now, my head to head is former home office minister norman baker and editor at large at the mail on sunday, charlotte griffiths. right. so i'm going to start with you, norman baker. okay. conservatives suella

braverman even admits that they deserve the defeat. but what what is your view on why it all went wrong? >> well, there's a whole range of reasons . we've been in power of reasons. we've been in power for a long time. and that was obviously people like change every now and then. partygate was on the doorstep. i mean, people haven't forgotten about partygate and boris johnson. they hadn't forgotten about liz truss disastrous mini—budget and her 49 days in office. and they they've just felt there was the corruption. there's all the scandals and it was time for a change. that old fashioned slogan was the one that was the one that resonated on the doorstep. but beyond that , if doorstep. but beyond that, if you look at the lib dem position because it's relevant to the conservatives we can now walk from or travel from eastbourne to north devon without leaving a lib dem constituency. we've got this swathes, this kind of orange wall now across the south, right the way across the south, right the way across the south of the country, and those people in places like henley , people in places like henley, you know, they weren't. i'm not saying immigration is not an issue. of course it is. but they were concerned about the cost of living, about the state of the nhs, about the economy falling to bits , about the sewage in the to bits, about the sewage in the rivers. that's what was worrying

them . so, you know, if the them. so, you know, if the conservatives only concentrate on immigration then they'll have the same result again, >> well, i don't think they did solely focus on immigration. actually, i think it was a little bit unfair. but again, i'm not quite sure what they were focusing on. >> charlotte, i agree with jenrick. i think it's just a simple credibility issue. they just hadn't done a single conservative thing for years. >> and the number one thing that we trust our conservatives to do is to control our borders and actually all those other things, you know, protect our taxes, protect the nhs. >> they just didn't do any of them. it was simply a case of false promise after false promise , no credibility. promise, no credibility. >> and they had to have a change. and god knows that they lurched from one leader to the next. they tried every different flavour of leader, and they got to sunak and everyone thought, well, god, if this guy can't do it, he's literally a sort of man in a suit, you know, but boardroom kind of guy. >> and even he couldn't do it. >> and even he couldn't do it. >> so it just it had to be change. >> but it was a sort of i mean, a lot of people will say that it sort of fell apart when they didn't listen to the electorate when they actually got rid of bofis when they actually got rid of boris johnson. i mean, is that a

fair criticism? i think that was the beginning of where people thought, hold on a minute. >> yeah. i mean, it was very disappointing because that felt a real you know, it was clear that the electorate did like bofis that the electorate did like boris johnson, but the blob got the better of them. i mean, bofis the better of them. i mean, boris blames the media a little bit and that whole kind of hysteria that really took over. >> and actually i think he should have stuck it out if he could have done. >> but yeah, it was very dispiriting to be a member of the general public. >> you know, so many people backed boris and out he went. >> well, he got an 80 seat majority and that's not to be sniffed out, which is a no, he didn't, he did. >> but you've also got to remember that he was levered out in the end by his own colleagues. and about 50, exactly 50 ministers or thereabouts. basically the whole thereabouts. basically the whole the ministerial team asked for him to go, well, now, you know , him to go, well, now, you know, that's a that's a complete lack of no confidence from his own colleagues who are closest to him. so you had to go. you didn't want to go. but let's remember, boris was at partygate. he also was guilty for of suspending parliament illegally as a supreme court subsequently decided. you know, he was not a good prime minister. i'm sorry he wasn't. >> and i felt a bit sorry for the electorate, thought he was a good prime minister. >> and as he said, it was his members of his own party who got

him out. >> well, they didn't have a mandate to do that. >> you know, the electorate wanted him in. >> well, the electorate to be to work on, on the constitution, the electorate of course, elects individual mps for their constituency. they don't elect prime ministers. we're not in a presidential system. the prime minister is chosen by members of his own party. so they were the ones who put him in there. they're the ones who could take him out. >> technically, yes, but you know that the leader has a great influence on what people vote for. i mean, you take reform with nigel farage. there was a massive influence also. you know, boris johnson, there was huge influence initially because we voted for boris, which is why a lot of the general public are so dispirited that he was ousted. >> and at the time, the general pubuc >> and at the time, the general public all loved. i mean, every taxi driver, every one, every supermarket worker, everyone you met was sort of quite pro boris as a leader actually at the time. >> and yeah, of course it's not a presidential system, but it was him that got that huge, huge majority really, wasn't it? >> well, he also lost votes. i mean , i can only tell you what mean, i can only tell you what the blue wall was saying. the blue wall was not happy with the direction of travel. you know, the conservatives who voted lib dem this time wanted sensible government, stable government,

looking after the economy, looking after the economy, looking after the nhs, dealing with the environment sensibly. they didn't feel they got any of that. well, i don't think they did get any of that. >> i think even the conservatives who voted for the conservatives who voted for the conservatives didn't get any of that. i think they were a bit self—obsessed, weren't they? they were like, oh, we'll change the leader. how many, how many, how many home secretaries do we have in the last sort of 4 or 5 years, larry the cat has seen off five prime ministers in downing street. >> crazy. yeah. >> crazy. yeah. >> it just all built into this sense that you're a voting member of the general public and you have no control over, over other than , you know, casting other than, you know, casting your vote. they were infighting. >> they were making decisions. the blob, the civil service, it felt so, you know, the i think members of the electorate felt so powerless , actually. so powerless, actually. >> and that was very frustrating for them. >> and that caused a lot of angen >> so if we're to pick a leader now for the conservative party, who would you think would be best positioned to do that? >> there was a very good article in the times yesterday by william hague. i thought it was very good anyway. and he's the only person in the conservative party who's been here and done this because he suffered in 97. he took over 97 after the last catastrophic conservative

election . and he had some very election. and he had some very good advice, part of which was you don't win from the fringes. jeremy corbyn didn't win from the left. fringe he didn't win from the right fringe. you have to win from the centre . so if we to win from the centre. so if we get i mean it's not up to me, but the tories are notpla suella braverman in my view, there's a ceiling to what she will get from the public and that will keep labour and the lib dems where they are. the tories have to come back to the centre, i think, to win the next election. do you think? >> i think a lot of people complain that they weren't conservative enough. i think that's an observation, but i don't think that's true. is it true that the conservatives need to come back to the centre? they weren't right wing, they were liberal. they were more left wing. >> well, i actually think the leaders that have done the best have got the centre and the right. >> so boris had the centre and the right and cameron a bit the same. >> and if you have suella, you've just got, you know, the sort of evil tories trope that they, you know, the left can just carry out time after time. so i actually think that you do have to have the centre and the right together. >> centre and the right together. well, what do you think ? gbnews.com/yoursay this think? gbnews.com/yoursay this is gb news, britain's news

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just coming up to 24 minutes after 3:00. this is gb news. we are live on tv, online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua. this is the clash. and the next question is, is it time for electoral reform now? the labour party won a landslide majority at the election, grabbing 34% of the vote, yet secured nearly three quarters of the seats, whilst the liberal democrats got 12% of the vote and 11% of the seats. but reform uk with over 4 million votes, so that was 14% of the vote. secured a measly 1% of the vote. secured a measly 1% of the vote. secured a measly 1% of the seats. now that doesn't sound right to me. does it sound right to you? the first past the post system brings stability

that isn't stability. is it time? is it actually an electoral dictatorship? that is the question. so joining me to discuss norman baker and also charlotte griffiths. >> charlotte, i actually think we shouldn't reform i think good old first past the post. of course this year has been a complete anomaly. and i think that, you know , because so many that, you know, because so many people are punishing the tories, i don't think this will happen again. i think obviously there's been some very strange voting patterns. there's one school of thought that people who are voting reform just didn't even understand that they weren't voting for farage outside of clacton, and that's been debated quite a lot on the radio this morning. but i think, i think it's fine as it is. i think if we change it up, then we might have what's going on in europe, which is where they have, pr and, i just think also the tiktok generation actually is a bit of a danger because if a, if a trend takes off in tiktok and you can vote directly for, you know, a particular leader that they're advertising or, or going on about, it can be quite dangerous . and these trends dangerous. and these trends

really take over on tiktok. and it's a bit i'm a bit too old for tiktok. >> well, keir starmer is suggesting that the voting age should be lowered to 1617, and a lot of the young people are saying that they would voted reform if that were the case. >> well, well , exactly. >> well, well, exactly. >> well, well, exactly. >> i mean, if you have a trend taking over on tiktok and let's let's not forget who owns tiktok. >> i mean, well, the chinese. >> i mean, well, the chinese. >> yeah. who owns x? you know, it . i think >> yeah. who owns x? you know, it. i think it's >> yeah. who owns x? you know, it . i think it's something we it. i think it's something we have to be aware of for future years. >> well, then surely that first past the post is the easiest one to manipulate with a system like that? i mean, is it not? >> i think it probably is. and the idea that the number of seats in parliament should reflect the number of votes cast seems to me to be uncontroversial. it's a it's a policy lib dems have been pursuing for decades . and i'm pursuing for decades. and i'm delighted we've now got some other people, the greens and reform, making the same point. >> well, the labour party had it in their manifesto, the labour party. >> well, let's see if they deliver anything because of course their enthusiasm may wane. now they have a massive majority, but the reality is looking at the results . every looking at the results. every single party apart from labour, got fewer seats than it should have done, including conservatives, than it should have done. if the number of votes had been reflected accurately in seats in

parliament. and the thing is, first past the post was working okay in 1955, when there were two parties, labour and tory. it doesn't work now when you've got a multitude of people trying to do different things, you know, labour and tory together got 56% of the vote. yeah, that's the lowest percentage of the two major parties, i think ever. and, and you know, it doesn't it doesn't work. it can't reflect that that diversity in our society, these days. >> yeah. and also i think that the leader of that party that receives the highest sort of supposed vote. so in this case, keir starmer will be slightly delusional into thinking that that most of the country voted when only 8,080% of the people didn't actually vote for him. and the thing is, if you added his votes up. so i think there were 9.6 million. yet the reform and also the conservative party have got about 10.7 million. >> you have tried to link them to labour in a way, but i mean the point but the point of it is, is that he did not get a majority at all. no he didn't. and if you look at the result, he got, it's not very different to what corbyn got in 2019. that was regarded as a disaster for the labour party. and worst

result ever for labour party since michael foot. and he's got roughly the same result now with a massive landslide. >> i think actually he got a worse result. >> charlotte i think keir starmer is actually aware of that, though. he's kind of acknowledged it a few times. and actually, so is tony blair in today's sort of media rounds. when he's done, he's written an article. i think he is actually quite aware that it's a strange year and that he's won without having as many people vote for him as voted for conservative and reform. but i think i honestly think it will balance out next time there's a general election. i think this is a particularly extraordinary year where people were angry and placing protest votes. >> yeah, but that's the point is you said that you think that he might, but and i and i did highlight this yesterday and i'm hoping that it was a slight oversight. but in his first ever press conference and in that press conference and in that press conference and in that press conference where he said that he wanted to appeal to people who maybe hadn't voted for him or for people who voted for him or for people who voted for him or for people who voted for him for the first time. he said that he would be aware of that and make sure that he bnngs that and make sure that he brings them in. yet at the press conference itself, there was no question from gb news there was no question from the daily mail.

you know this we can't be playing those games now. we need a stable government that will reflect, like on gb news. we try to reflect an array of views and we try and give each view equal prominence. so that's if they're prepared to come on like the labour party, if they come on amazing. but you can't be playing these games. >> i have to say that was quite a worrying little development there. >> i think that he's had a lot of flack for that today , and of flack for that today, and hopefully he's going to pull up his socks pretty quickly and realise that's not going to go under the radar. >> i mean, obviously the daily mail and gb news were not going to just let that fly, so maybe you're right. >> maybe this is the first example of him saying one thing and doing another and doing another. >> and we are after sir keir starmer. if you're listening. we just want ultimately stable government and for things like the nhs and all the other things to work perfectly, you do that, we're all happy. but i think excluding broadcasters from the narrative is a good plan. well especially if they may not have supported you. although our viewers supported keir starmer, i entirely agree with that point. >> it's very important that media diversity is reflected in the prime minister, but it's also important in the appointments he makes that he recognises he hasn't got an

absolute majority of the public at large. he's got a huge range of appointments he can make. he ought to make sure for example, that people who are very good on conservative issues are not excluded from government. they can be made chair of something or other. >> he ought to make sure that natalie elphicke, isn't he? >> well , yes, natalie elphicke, isn't he? >> well, yes, i natalie elphicke, isn't he? >> well , yes, i know, but she, >> well, yes, i know, but she, she kind of defected in a way. but there was also i mean, the fact that she's not lib dems got a lot of votes, for example, on issue of carers and on the issue of sewage, i mean, he should be tapping into lib dems who know about these things and saying, you know, come and help me with those issues. he wants a broad church to recognise that even though the electoral system hasn't delivered, that in terms of seats, that the country, in a way has. >> yeah. and i actually know i mean, liberal democrats are not a party that i've sort of considered voting for in the past, because i think they need both sides of the argument to be somewhere in the middle. they don't actually have their own narrative. but actually on this occasion, i do feel that there was a conversation and it was about sewage and the health of the nation. and, you know , and i the nation. and, you know, and i actually really respected that message. >> i respected the message. and i respected there was quite a message of kindness as well. you know, it was a real change, a bit of honesty from a leader who

just genuinely seemed to care about people and the people that that are voting for him. >> that was a good message, and it was a really surprising and nice thing to see. >> actually, i'm with you on that because i suddenly thought, oh, the liberal democrats, they're here, which are politics could be well within this, but it won't be if you have this system of first past the post where one party can dominate with such a small majority, or even a minority and half of the country at least don't really support, well , two thirds didn't support, well, two thirds didn't vote for labour. >> let's be clear, those who did vote. but you know, coming back to the pr system and the point earlier on about about europe , earlier on about about europe, there are different forms of pr. and if we come late to the game, which we are doing for pr, we can look at what systems are around the world and pick out the ones that do work. i mean, israeli systems are a disaster. for example , giving undue power for example, giving undue power to small minority religious parties . but scottish msps have parties. but scottish msps have voted through pr with a system that keeps a constituency link and then a top up system to reflect the proportionality. that system works quite well in scotland. that's the sort of system we could have in england.

>> well , you know, that sort of >> well, you know, that sort of system we're going to have in england, perhaps. but we said that about we said we could say that about we said we could say that about we said we could say that about the health service. we've not managed to pick up any wiser mechanisms in other countries . but we'll stay tuned. countries. but we'll stay tuned. this is the clash just coming up to 31 minutes after 3:00. we're live on gb news. up next, let's get your latest news headlines with ray addison. >> thanks. nana 331 our top stories. this hour. the prime minister has told the palestinian president that recognising the state of palestine as part of a middle east peace process is an undeniable right. sir keir starmer spoke to mahmoud abbas earlier on today. he also spoke to his israeli counterpart benjamin netanyahu, setting out the clear and urgent need for a ceasefire. labour's election manifesto committed the to party recognising a palestinian state as part of a process that results in a two state solution .

results in a two state solution. well, the prime minister is beginning a uk tour as he tries to reset the relationship between westminster and the devolved nations. first up, sir keir starmer, heading over to edinburgh, where he's expected to meet first ministerjohn swinney, the pm says his government will place scotland back at the beating heart of everything we do likely contenders in the tory leadership battle are starting to emerge now, using newspaper articles and interviews to say what they think went wrong, former home secretary suella braverman said that rishi sunak had run a, quote, idiotic strategy and needed to take a tougher line on reducing immigration. meanwhile, x immigration minister robert jenrick said failing to reduce those immigration numbers was our biggest and most damaging failure and former health secretary victoria atkins saying that the country was still instinctively conservative and that labour's support was, quote, spread very thin, like margarine. suella braverman says

the tories are facing an existential threat from reform uk former home secretary telling us that they lost hundreds of conservative mps because of nigel farage's party. she's urging her fellow member , urging her fellow member, members of parliament to decide what type of party they are and, quote, neutralise that threat. england will face the netherlands in the euro semi—finals on wednesday after beating switzerland in germany last night. the three lions squeaking past the swiss on penalties five three after the game ended one all after extra time. the prince of wales was there among football fans rejoicing as england won. he described the match as nail biting to the very end. right. those are the latest gb news headlines. for now. i'm ray addison tatiana sanchez will be back in an hour for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code or go to gbnews.com forward slash alerts .

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good afternoon. 37 minutes after 3:00. this is gb news. i'm nana akua. welcome. if you've just tuned in. where have you been? it's fine. we're back. it's the clash. now. sir keir starmer says that rishi sunak plans to send migrants to rwanda. the plan is now dead and buried, according to keir starmer , according to keir starmer, labour are scrapping the policy completely but is this the right call? well, joining me now to discuss norman baker and also charlotte griffiths . charlotte charlotte griffiths. charlotte griffiths. is he right to scrap

rwanda. >> well, given that there's zero alternative plan. >> not really because you know no matter how much you criticise the rwanda plan and many people do , it's there's literally no do, it's there's literally no other alternative. and i'd be really interested to see the numbers this weekend, whether there was an uptick , because there was an uptick, because i've always been quite surprised by if you do . by if you do. >> many of us have done vox pops. you know, the mail's done it. >> gb news with the migrants. and they were actually deterred by the threat of rwanda. no matter how small it weighed on their minds . and of course, they their minds. and of course, they were celebrating. they were, you know , there's lots of clips of know, there's lots of clips of them on the news this weekend celebrating . so the fact that celebrating. so the fact that there's just literally no alternative , you know, maybe alternative, you know, maybe they'll make an announcement on monday. well, that's already been three days of not kerbing the boats in any way whatsoever. >> so i'd like to see the numbers, because even if it's the smallest of deterrents, and we proved it through vox pops, surely if it works in a way it should be kept. >> what do you think? >> what do you think? >> well, i mean, first of all, the pledge to abandon it in a manifesto. so in a sense, he's,

he's doing what he promised to do. and he was voted in. so he said he had a mandate for that particular policy. i think his analysis that the boats were still producing record numbers of people is correct. and it's also the fact that no one has been sent to rwanda and the cost of sending them there is going to be equivalent to putting up, putting them up in the ritz. so there's a whole thing. well, not really things. well hold on, it's about eight. >> 8 million a day. it doesn't take many days for it to notch up to well over half a billion, which is what they've sent to rwanda. and that is a rolling continuing cost . continuing cost. >> rwanda was going to take, i think, just hundreds. and there were thousands coming in. >> it wasn't well, as a deterrent if you , you know, deterrent if you, you know, usually with the deterrence. so for example, things like the death penalty and stuff like that, it does actually work, even though people say it doesn't . i even though people say it doesn't. i mean, even though people say it doesn't . i mean, if even though people say it doesn't. i mean, if you even though people say it doesn't . i mean, if you take doesn't. i mean, if you take somewhere like qatar where it's there, you some of them have very few low level murders and things like that because they know they could be killed if they do. >> come on, the death penalty if you like. >> but i mean, but i'm just saying that as a deterrent, as a deterrent, deterrence do tend to work. doesn't have to be hundreds of people that are going to be affected by it. >> i'm not sure it was a deterrent. but anyway, the point is that it's gone. and what's missing so far from the

government, the new government is the alternative. and i think this is the issue rather than rwanda, which is now history in a way, he said. it's history. it's what you're going to do instead. and that's where the focus should be. and there's got to be partly on reforming what the home office does. the home office has been useless at processing people, people who are processed should either be incorporated to the country if they are deemed to be genuine asylum seekers, or they should be sent somewhere else and got out of the country. so where else would they go back to where they came from? >> well, yeah, but some people can't be sent back. so for example, somebody from i don't know, i don't know well or something like that and, and the asylum though the genuine ones. no no no no no. they may not be the genuine ones, but they've come illegally and they've behaved in a manner which we know that therefore they're not they do not qualify. then where do they go if they've got rid of rwanda? i think that's the problem we're having. >> we have to separate out the economic migrants from those who are fleeing for their lives. well, okay. >> and that will be that will happen. yes and then the ones who aren't, we've done that now . who aren't, we've done that now. the ones who aren't are fleeing for their lives . then.

for their lives. then. >> then they need to be assessed and processed quickly by the home office, which the home office doesn't do. and to removed if they're deemed deemed to be not meeting the criteria for coming into the country. that's one strand. >> but if they don't meet the requirements, then where do they go if they can't be sent back to their own country, that doesn't automatically mean they qualify. just because they can't be sent back to their own country can't be sent back. >> why can't? >> why can't? >> well, maybe they can't. maybe we don't have a returns agreement, i don't know, but there were are migrants who can't go back who do not qualify. well, the one thing, the one thing the last government did do correctly, in my view, on this issue, was to reach a bilateral agreement with albania and the result of that was a whole lot of albanians were sent back and the numbers coming from albania reduced dramatically. >> that sort of approach is going to be the way forward. >> well, what about keir starmer's border command control or whatever this is? i don't want to laugh because i again, i'm hopeful that it would work, but i'm not convinced. >> well, that's one of the many ideas he suggested, gently, that we're already doing. >> we're already trying to tackle the boats and the gangs and work closely with the french and work closely with the french and tackle the border and create

and tackle the border and create a border command. there were already sort of is one i mean, i don't see armies of keir starmer branded sort of officers marching down there being his new border commander. it's pie in the sky and it's what's already happening. he's got no concrete thing to suggest. >> has he really? >> has he really? >> well, i mean, he would probably say that that is a good plan and that we are throwing good money after bad with rwanda. but i would suspect that rwanda. but i would suspect that rwanda is probably quite a good deterrent because as you said, there's been plenty of people who don't want to go there and have made it quite clear. >> yeah, i mean, of course he had to oppose rwanda as and get rid of it on day one, but that's what he's promised. but he shouldn't have made that promise in the first place without having an alternative, a proper, credible , tough alternative credible, tough alternative because so many people didn't for vote him, who obviously are very, very concerned about about illegal migration and want to want to hear something from him. so, you know, he shouldn't have got rid of it. >> well, i think rwanda was a gimmick, to be honest with you, but he needs to have a concrete plan. he hasn't got one, as far as i can tell. but i mean, let's

not let's not forget that the number of people coming into the country, by far the majority of people coming into the country from overseas, are people coming in who are approved to come in, not the illegals, but the people who are legally coming in. well, that's a number. >> there's a problem with that. >> there's a problem with that. >> it dwarfs the numbers coming in by boat. >> that's a good number of people who are coming in claiming they're fleeing for their lives. >> of course , who aren't. >> of course, who aren't. >> of course, who aren't. >> well, that's true, but equally, when the home office assesses them, about 80% of them are deemed to be genuine . are deemed to be genuine. >> it's a lot. »- >> it's a lot. >> well, you know, we can discuss that. some of your thoughts gbnews.com/yoursay keep your thoughts coming. this is gb news. we're live on tv , online news. we're live on tv, online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua. welcome aboard. if you've just tuned in. up next, sir keir starmer says country first, party second. but is he telling the truth. is that right?

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and on digital radio. i'm nana akua, and it's just coming up to 48 minutes after 3:00. now, back in june, sir keir starmer said wealth redistribution is not enough to leave level up britain, adding working people value success over state support. he's mentioned in many speeches since taking over that the country comes first and the party comes second. but why is he giving out handouts? dorneywood, an 18th century house in buckinghamshire traditionally used by the chancellor. and he's now and he's now in a dilemma over which mansion to give his deputy prime minister right. well, joining me, my panel's charlotte griffiths and also norman baker. charlotte, what is this about? he's giving out mansions. is this normal? >> it is. well, a lot of very senior people get grace and favour places. there's dorneywood, chevening and chequers and, prescott was famously caught at dorneywood playing croquet. and it was not a good look because he was supposed to be running the country at the time. i think

tony blair was in the air, on a long flight, so if angela rayner walks into this one and gets pictured playing croquet at dorneywood, i think i'll eat my hat or i'll eat my croquet stick, because surely starmer won't be foolish enough to allocate her, there's well , there's some there's well, there's some suggestion that she might spend alternate weeks there , weekends alternate weeks there, weekends there, but i just think it would be madness. you know, it's walking into a land mine. >> so let angela rayner acquire another home. >> i'm not sure why they need to do this . why? why are they doing this? >> why does that have to happen? this goes back to the first world war, just about after the first world war, when it was thought that it was important for the prime minister of the day and the foreign secretary to have somewhere, credible to entertain people from overseas and not all prime ministers are hugely wealthy and have their own properties, and they were given to the state in to order enable the prime minister and foreign secretary the day to be able to entertain. and that's that's the history of it. so every, every government of every colour has used these premises. when i was in the coalition,

chevening was shared between william hague as foreign secretary and nick clegg as deputy prime minister. i went down there very nice building indeed.i down there very nice building indeed. i didn't play any croquet, i might say, but it's a very nice building. so it's not unusual that they will have these buildings allocated to them. there was also admiralty arch and part of the answer for the government may be to do that, because in the labour government of 1997 to 2010, john prescott was deputy prime minister, had admiralty arch very close to whitehall, and that solved the problem as to who had what, because prescott didn't want to use dorneywood because he he actually disapproved of the lavishness of it . it. >> yes. well, i don't understand why they should have that. anyway. they're talking about levelling up and all this stuff. why should they be? what is the point? why are they giving mansions ? i want this to stop. mansions? i want this to stop. >> i actually agree with you. it's such an old fashioned thing. it feels. it harks back to a time when you had these high profile guests come over and they stayed for a week, or maybe two weeks and played croquet. but we all know international diplomats and they don't do that anymore. they're always in a rush. they've got ten appointments a week. you

know, they're not going to be staying the night and they can use a hotel, can't they. >> yeah, i think, i think it's important for the prime minister of the day to have somewhere secluded in order to, to, to have meetings , which maybe you have meetings, which maybe you don't want the public to know about. i mean, you know, if you get key diplomats from coming from different countries, there may be a case for having a secluded arrangement for that . secluded arrangement for that. so i think there's a case for at least one of these properties, chequers. >> they should keep chequers. >> they should keep chequers. >> exactly. >> exactly. >> chequers, dorneywood and chevening bit over the top i think probably is. >> i'm sorry, but i find that absolutely that makes well, i'm happy with chequers just for one of them. but i find the notion that they get a house just because i don't know, to be there every weekend. and it's not just any old house, it's a mansion. what? what the hell is that about? >> very salubrious. >> very salubrious. >> i didn't even know that that happened. >> it's really dangerous as well for starmer , because in these for starmer, because in these houses, mad things happen. like bofis houses, mad things happen. like boris had big parties when he. and you just fall into traps because it makes the them look like they're sort of lording it up.and like they're sort of lording it up. and we're there, you know, going to work on monday morning. it's just it's full of it's

fraught with, bad pr frankly, it is. >> it's just not croquet. you might say. it's just it's not croquet. >> i like that. that's very good. yeah. no, i don't get why. why, that should be the case. really? >> i spent a long time in opposition, actually exposing the costs of all these things. and also my colleague norman lamb, did information request to find out who tony blair had been entertaining at chequers, and it wasn't people who ought to be in there, quite frankly, with all there, quite frankly, with all the z—list celebrities who've been invited. >> yes, they have parties there for fun. >> i think boris did have a birthday party there once, you know , it's not just obviously know, it's not just obviously for entertaining important dignitaries , and it's all too dignitaries, and it's all too tempting to sort of show off to your mates and have them all come round to your country house, but you know, starmer is supposed to be all about the people, all about duty. so if he's wise, if he has a good pr team, they'll say, you know, give, give the properties away for housing for perhaps. >> well, exactly. give them away for people who need homes or can't see it actually happen. >> well you can't you can't do that with i mean, they are listed buildings and you can't alter the fabric and everything else, but you could do something else, but you could do something else with them. >> yeah, well, you could do you

could make hotels out of them. well, no, i don't think hotels you know, because the british people don't get such wonderful accommodation. i don't really understand why that should be the case. i would expect that keir starmer will probably get rid of that. i think he should. i don't think any of them should get anything. not like that anyway. in in particular, angela raynen anyway. in in particular, angela rayner, because of the whole house thing and it just wouldn't look good. well all i would say is with due respect to the to the male consciousness here, is that we didn't have these articles written very much, did we, about rishi sunak and all his colleagues using these properties. >> and two days into the new government, we got the article about about labour. so it's true. >> i wonder how much rishi sunak really used it though. i mean, he's already got his place in yorkshire. he's got a lovely place in south kensington. he had downing street and i don't think that rishi sunak was the type to have lavish parties, so his celebrity friends probably wasn't. >> but, it may have been. his foreign secretary was. >> well, let's see what some people have been saying , groucho people have been saying, groucho says groucho marx is not really is it ? he says pr won't work for is it? he says pr won't work for reform even if they had the highest number of mps, the other parties would gang up against them, they'd get nothing passed ,

them, they'd get nothing passed, ken says, here we go. already. one rule for us and another for us plebs, jim says, won't take and long to be seen in designer dresses and louboutins, much like the cranky in scotland. i think she's referring to nicola sturgeon. nicola, please don't take offence. that's what somebody else i'm just reading out. william says britain, what have we got here? fiona says imagine rayner living it up at the weekend at a country mansion. well, i think this is the risk, isn't it, that's the problem with it, what does it say? i suppose somebody says, no, no, shut up for five seconds to let your guest reply to your answers. really did i? who's that? stephen. stephen butler . that? stephen. stephen butler. stephen i did let them reply. what you on about? did that normal? do you feel i interrupted you repeatedly? >> well, you did interrupt me, but i didn't mind. >> you didn't mind? very sensible. i was a charlotte. >> i didn't notice you interrupting me. all fine. >> it's all fine. there you go, stephen. you'll be happy with that. well, still to come, the great british debate i'm asking, is it right that keir starmer should be clocking off at six?

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and broadcaster, danny kelly, also author and broadcaster christina hamilton. in a few moments time my niggle , i'll be moments time my niggle, i'll be giving you my verdict on why the tories lost. and still to come on my outside section, i'll be joined by an emerging artist named for her. electric or eclectic mix of musical styles and innovative approach to music production. then for clickbait, this is a viral video from this week. take a look . week. take a look. what it might be from next week, or the week before, or the week after that, but i don't know. but it's a really great video. you've got to stay with me. you'll find out what happens next. it's a naughty seagull. but before we get started, let's get your latest news with tatiana sanchez. >> nana. thank you very much. and good afternoon. the top stories this hour from the gb newsroom. >> the prime minister has told the palestinian president that

recognising the state of palestine as part of a middle east peace process is an undeniable right. sir keir starmer spoke to mahmoud abbas earlier today. he also starmer spoke to mahmoud abbas earlier today . he also spoke to earlier today. he also spoke to his israeli counterpart benjamin netanyahu, setting out the clear and urgent need for a ceasefire. >> labour's election manifesto committed the party to recognising a palestinian state as part of a process that results in a two state solution . results in a two state solution. >> well, the prime minister is beginning a uk tour as he tries to reset the relationship between westminster and the devolved nations . devolved nations. >> first up, sir keir starmer is heading to edinburgh, where he's expected to meet first minister john swinney, the prime minister says his government will place scotland back at the beating heart of everything we do. >> he's also promised to turn his back on tribalism and usher in an era of stability and moderation . likely contenders in moderation. likely contenders in the tory leadership battle are starting to emerge using

newspaper articles and interviews to say what they think went wrong, former home secretary suella braverman said rishi sunak had run an idiotic strategy and needed to take a tougher line on reducing immigration. x immigration minister robert jenrick said failing to reduce numbers was our biggest and most damaging failure , and former health failure, and former health secretary victoria atkins said the country was still instinctively conservatives , instinctively conservatives, with labour's support spread very thinly, like margarine . very thinly, like margarine. suella braverman says the tories are facing an existential threat from reform uk. the former home secretary told gb news they lost hundreds of brilliant conservative mps because of nigel farage's party. she also said there is only room for one conservative party in british politics. she's urging her fellow mps to decide what type of party they are and neutralise that threat, whilst hundreds of brilliant conservative mps , brilliant conservative mps, because of reform millions of our voters were betrayed and

angry with the conservatives and they went to an alternative reform. >> so i believe whoever's leading the party, whoever's in the party, needs to acknowledge this basic truth that we are facing an existential threat from reform and we need to change ourselves to ensure that we neutralise that threat, that we neutralise that threat, that we bring those people back home. >> but reform uk chairman richard tice told us the tories have had their chance. >> well, look, i mean , our >> well, look, i mean, our progress and success has been self—evident for the last six months. they will have the chance to join us, to defect to us like lee anderson did. they decided to stay in the existing conservative tent and in a sense , conservative tent and in a sense, you know, there are consequences to people's decisions. they made that decision, and in a sense, they paid the price. that's what competition is all about. i mean, we came second in almost 100 seats across the united kingdom. we're now the dominant

opposition in the north of england to the labour party. so we've made huge progress. and i come back, you know, competition is a fundamental conservative principle. they should believe in it . in it. >> the funeral of former rugby england international rob burrow has taken place in pontefract. the 41 year old died on june the 2nd after a lengthy battle with motor neurone disease. today's service coincides with leeds rhinos annual celebration of rob burrow day , marking the number burrow day, marking the number seven shirt he wore during his rugby league career. members of the public were invited to stand on the roadside to pay their respects as the funeral cortege made its way to the service . made its way to the service. >> england will face the netherlands in the euro semi—finals on wednesday, and that's after beating switzerland in germany last night. >> the three lions squeaked past the swiss on penalties five three after the game ended, one all after extra time. the prince

of wales was among football fans rejoicing as england won , rejoicing as england won, describing the match as nail biting to the very end . and in biting to the very end. and in france , voters are heading to france, voters are heading to the polls for the second round of elections , including french of elections, including french president emmanuel macron, who cast his ballot. the result is expected to reconfigure the political landscape, with national rally likely to win the most votes but fall short of a majority . last sunday, marine le majority. last sunday, marine le pen's party scored historic gains to win the first round. they've seen increased support off the back of voter concerns over household budgets and . over household budgets and. immigration. and those are the latest gb news headlines. for now, i'm tatiana sanchez. more in half an hour for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code or go to gbnews.com forward slash alerts .

slash alerts. >> thank you tatiana. good afternoon. if you just tuned in, it's just coming up to seven minutes after 4:00. you're with me. i'm nana akua. this is gb news. we're live on tv, online and on digital radio britain under the conservatives has been a total. i can't say that on air. let's just say it started out promising and then degenerated into clown world because if you don't laugh, you'll cry. where do i start . you'll cry. where do i start. strikes galore. doctors nurses, rail post office teachers. our roads full of potholes , our roads full of potholes, our rivers polluted, the nhs decimated and good luck calling for an ambulance. my advice is if you can, you're better off driving to the hospital yourself. but when you get there, be ready to wait days only to end up on a corridor. identity politics has flourished under the conservatives, who allowed gender identity to embed itself into our institutions. true, it was sir keir starmer who struggled to answer whether a woman has a penis or not. but

to be fair to him, it was the policies set up by the tories that enabled this delusion diversity and inclusion, or dei and net zero all became a thing under the last government. the latter we can thank theresa may for crime is off the scale. and don't get me started on people carrying knives and machetes . carrying knives and machetes. bills are sky high, not helped by the highest tax burden since the war. and as for immigration, the war. and as for immigration, the bit that we could control illegal migration is completely out of control. and then there's illegal migration. whilst i support the notion of rwanda and believe we need a third country to help us out, i couldn't see it happening because of the numerous legal challenges and all of this at the taxpayer's expense. the smugglers are laughing all the way to the bank. i could go on. there was nothing conservative about the conservative party. they might as well have been labour. and instead of dealing with policies and focusing on the electorate , and focusing on the electorate, the conservatives spent the last five years infighting, changing

health secretaries, home secretaries, education ministers , secretaries, education ministers, chancellors. i mean, it was just a revolving door of self—serving politicians who appeared to move job every time an important decision needed to be made . even decision needed to be made. even calling the election was embarrassing . rishi sunak embarrassing. rishi sunak standing in the rain with no umbrella , with the tune of umbrella, with the tune of things can only get better in the background . and then he the background. and then he turned around. you could see that he was drenched. all we needed next was lightning to finish things off and after that he stood in the titanic quarter under the exit sign. and what on earth was he thinking when he chose to leave the d—day commemorations early for a pre—recorded interview on itv? you couldn't make it up. in truth, it seems most governments, irrespective of party, degenerate into chaos by about 14 years. i mean, take labour under tony blair, but at the end of his tenure we could take no more. i'm not a fan of many of the labour party policies like vat on independent schools, which i believe hasn't been thought through. i suspect an impact assessment will show

it will cause more harm than good, or bringing forward green policies, but i am a fan of stable government and if sir keir starmer can achieve this, then even those who didn't vote for him, which is 80% of the electorate, will be thankful for at least that . but before we get at least that. but before we get stuck into the debates, here's what's coming up today for the great british debate this hour, i'm asking, should starmer be clocking off at 6:00 on a friday before becoming prime minister? sir keir starmer said that he wouldn't work friday evening to make time to be a dad and to eat with his family. but as the most powerful person in britain, is that unrealistic? so for the great british debate, this hour, i'm asking you should starmer be clocking off at 6 pm. on friday? then at 450, it's worldview. we'll cross live to los angeles to speak to paul duddridge. he's the host of the politics people podcast to get the latest on the us presidential election. should president biden just step aside if he can? i mean , is he fit

if he can? i mean, is he fit enough to run a country, let alone take on donald trump at five? it's my outside guest this week. she's an artist recognised for her striking visual aesthetic, often collaborating with visual artists and designers to create compelling music videos and artwork that is coming up in the next hour. music videos and artwork that is coming up in the next hour . as coming up in the next hour. as even coming up in the next hour. as ever, tell me what you think on everything we're discussing. post your comments gbnews.com/yoursay . right, let's gbnews.com/yoursay. right, let's get started. let's welcome again to my panel, broadcaster and journalist danny kelly and author and broadcaster christine hamilton. right i'm going to start with you, danny kelly. the tories seem sort of braverman was suggesting that what they're going to do is they're going to spend time to be introspective and have a look at why they failed. i mean, isn't it as clear as day as in reform, as in adam? no. why did the tory party fail? you think it was reform's fault? >> oh, without a doubt. >> oh, without a doubt. >> i think they would have had another. i think there was some analysis that said they would have had another 180 seats or

something. yes, they still would have lost , something. yes, they still would have lost, but it wouldn't have been as anywhere catastrophic as it is. so so they've lost because they've mishandled things and the perception sometimes perception is different to reality. >> and i don't know whether they've done things as badly as as their opponents have said they have done. but nevertheless, mud sticks and they've been booted out unceremoniously. and it's been incredibly embarrassing . some incredibly embarrassing. some big hitters as well have lost their positions as well, which exacerbates the whole situation for them. we're talking major names. >> yeah, like penny morton. she carried the sword for goodness sake. >> and jacob rees—mogg, of course, of this parish. you know, it'll be interesting to see what jacob rees—mogg does now. so it was humiliating for them. did they deserve it? they probably did deserve it. but look, i want to get behind keir starmer. i didn't vote for laboun starmer. i didn't vote for labour. i'm not a labour man, but i think we should get behind keir starmer. if you just a quick one before you go to christine, if you remember the people, the opponents of brexit have never really got behind brexit and that's why brexit may not have have come to fruition. like we would have hoped for. and that was the left and i'm

determined. i think what we should do, no matter whether you left or right, i think you should now get behind this government and hope that they hope, hope it succeeds. it's in everyone's interest. >> that's what people would have hoped would have happened with brexit and the left would presumably want us to do that. but yet that's not what they did . christine. >> well, nobody likes a bad loser, and i think your summary of why the tories lost was, was superb. >> you mentioned just about everything. they brought it on themselves. yes. reform will have cost them a lot of votes, but reform, i'm so like ukip before, it will not just have taken tory votes, reform will have taken tory votes. labour votes and in particular it will have taken votes from people who have taken votes from people who have either never voted before or haven't voted for a very long time . they will have time. they will have re—energised people who had fallen out of love with the political process, so it wouldn't have made any difference to the final result. it would obviously have saved a few tory mps from losing their seats. but no, i think the tories i mean, they did not deserve to win. i haven't voted tory since 97 and i didn't vote tory since 97 and i didn't vote tory last thursday. but danny's right. i want keir starmer to

succeed. we should all want keir starmer to succeed. we're not going to support everything he does.i going to support everything he does. i want wes streeting to be 1,000,000% successful in his reforms for the nhs , and i think reforms for the nhs, and i think he's got a, you know, he's going to do what the tories should have done by the sounds of things. we'll see what he delivers. but of course we should all want to labour succeed. but no, danny, again, you're right. you mentioned brexit. if the people who voted remain had pulled behind brexit and said okay, we lost, but we're going to go for it as a country, we would not be in that particular mess that we're in now. so no, of course i want keir starmer to succeed. >> yes . interesting. keir starmer to succeed. >> yes. interesting. i do think people who are sort of more augned people who are sort of more aligned to the right are more prepared to get behind things than just from my observation with brexit, because brexit, it was democratically voted for by the people. we had a democratic vote. we decided, you know, massive , massive only just only massive, massive only just only just that. that's what we were going to do. and people did not get behind it, didn't vote for it. now i don't like that i'm going to get behind. that's right . keir starmer because right. keir starmer because i want stable, successful government. exactly right . if he

government. exactly right. if he does something i don't like, then i'm specific about that. what that thing is. but i'm not really very partisan. it's what the policies are that matter to me. >> in my experience, my observations. i may be wrong. i may be right, but people on the left tend to be more ideologically tribal and intransigent and almost spiteful to people on the right. i know that it does go that way as well, but not in such vast numbers, not in such vast numbers. there seems to be a case of almost hardwiring people on the left and their intransigence, almost like they're hard wired differently. you know , they're quick to shout you know, they're quick to shout you down and be racist as being xenophobic. they throw, they throw all and play all of these cards at you. and you don't really get that the other way around . around. >> well, i actually had somebody on my show recently who was really earning and you didn't get you , you were like get you, you were like conservative. and i said, i'm not really conservative. i'm not really anything. what i am is what are your policies? do they match with how i think? i mean, i voted for tony blair, i voted for boris johnson, so did i, i voted for different people. in fact, across the last four

elections, i have voted for different people every time. so that, you know , apart from that, you know, apart from sorting out the health service and things like that, what i want, i want the labour government to produce growth. >> that's what we need. that's what this country needs. we're in a terrible state. we owe money left, right and centre. we, you know, covid etc. etc. and the response to covid is responsible for a lot of that and the war in ukraine, etc. but if we can just get stable economy, growth, growth , growth, economy, growth, growth, growth, then good for starmer, you know. but whether he'll do it or not, i don't know. i don't know how long his honeymoon will last. well look he's got a very and a big majority does not lead to necessarily to particularly stable government because there'll be a lot of infighting inside his troops. >> if you could pick one moment that you think the tories went wrong with, what would it be the one?i wrong with, what would it be the one? i mean, there's just a utany one? i mean, there's just a litany of things, but where did it start? >> oh, i don't know. well, i mean , what was the worst thing? mean, what was the worst thing? what was it. well, i think, i think the d—day thing, admittedly it was very small, but i think that d—day desertion of the beaches was appalling.

and i think a lot of people just thought he doesn't get it, does he? he simply doesn't get it. or do you mean over the last 14, let's take the last 14 years. yes, >> d—day still isn't it? >> d—day still isn't it? >> oh, no. no. well, the d—day was what was the most the most the most was the final straw, i think, for a lot of people. and then the final nail after the other final nail, i mean, they just haven't behaved like conservatives. and i'll tell you who i blame. cameron. he started the rot when he when he came in, he made sure that constituencies, tory constituencies, tory constituencies, were not allowed to choose their own candidates. they had them imposed upon them. they had them imposed upon them. they had them imposed upon them. they had all these wet behind the ear spads, and they ended up with a load of liberal social democrat people posing as tory mps. and that's why they have gone now. gone how. >> gone now. >> but some people argue that they're saying, oh, it's the right , because the right took right, because the right took over the party, which is why they didn't win. no, no, no, they didn't win. no, no, no, they were they weren't conservative. they weren't right enough. >> i think what harmed them well before the d—day thing was boris johnson quote unquote , partying.

johnson quote unquote, partying. and i think keir starmer should have been treated equally, by the way, when he was caught drinking a pint and having a curry. but that was decided and bofis curry. but that was decided and boris johnson received some sort of legal consequences for that, as did rishi sunak. so i think the public made their minds up and it was just drummed into them that they were rule breakers whilst everyone else was having to obey rules and also the ppe given to that malone. what's her name ? eamonn. malone. what's her name? eamonn. >> michelle mone. michelle mone yeah, yeah. >> and i understand at the time they needed to secure a contract immediately because it was covid. but nevertheless the legacy of those. that's what's often parroted by the opponents often parroted by the opponents of the tory rolling snowball, hasn't it? >> a one thing after another. >> a one thing after another. >> covid harmed him. >> covid harmed him. >> but i think some of those things they could have because it was covid and nobody really knew what they were doing, they could have slightly i agree with you got out of that, but i just think the subsequent behaviours over the last, you know , four over the last, you know, four years in particular, the number of health secretaries, a number of health secretaries, a number of home secretaries, matt hancock, hancock, yes , i've hancock, hancock, yes, i've forgotten about him. >> harmful. >> harmful. >> well, listen, suella braverman said they're going to be introspective. let's hope they don't take too long to

decide where they want to go. but it'll be interesting to see what happens to the conservative party. but what do you think, gbnews.com/yoursay? you're with me. i'm nana akua, this is gb news coming up. world view. we will cross live to paul duddndge will cross live to paul duddridge hosted the politics people podcast to get the latest on the presidential elections. but next it's time for the great british debate this out and i'm asking, should sir keir starmer be clocking off at 6 pm. on a friday? i've got to pull up right now on asking you that very question.

good afternoon. it's fast approaching 23 minutes after 4:00. if you've just tuned in. where have you been? no. it's fine, you're fine. so not. not the full half of the show. so you're in for a good time, right? i'm nana akua , this is gb right? i'm nana akua, this is gb news. it's time for the great british debate this hour. and i'm asking, should sir keir

starmer be clocking off at 6:00 on friday? that's what he said before becoming prime minister, sir keir starmer said he wouldn't work friday evening to make time to be a dad and to eat with his family, which is all very lovely, isn't it? but as the most powerful person in britain is that realistic? so for the great british debate this hour, i'm asking, should sir keir starmer be clocking off at 6 pm. on a friday? well i'm joined now by former liberal democrat minister norman baker, editor at large of the mail on sunday. charlotte griffiths, also chairman of the national jewish assembly, gary mond . gary jewish assembly, gary mond. gary mond, i'm starting with you, he said. he's going to clock off. i know he's got jewish connections. >> he's complying with jewish tradition in not wanting to work. on friday evening. >> but those jews, the orthodox jews who don't work friday evenings and they don't even work friday afternoons during the wintertime because shabbat comes in so early. >> they work for days on sundays. >> is sir keir starmer offering to work a full day on a sunday? >> because that will be consistent with the view of taking friday evening off. >> yeah . what do you think, >> yeah. what do you think, charlotte? >> i bet you he will end up working on sunday and definitely

past 6 pm, but i think it's so nice for lady vic, his wife, that he's got these lovely ambitions to come home. i mean, of course, in answer to your original question, it's totally unrealistic. and i think, i think i remember i've just come back from maternity leave. i remember saying, oh, i'm going to come home to the baby. but of course, once work takes over, you forget all about it and you're just sort of nose to the grindstone at your computer. so i don't think it's actually going to happen. >> norman baker when i was an mp and a minister, i used to work about 65, 70 hours a week, and i think he'll be working more than that every week. >> and he's going to be more balanced and more sensible as a prime minister. if he's got family time to spend with us, with his wife and kids, and we shouldn't take that away from him. of course, if something happens on a friday, which is significant, well, you know, a major event, a terrorist attack or something, of course, you'd be working on a friday evening. you don't want to suddenly knock off in that situation. but if you want to spend time with this family, good luck to him . so he should. >> well, i think he said come what may, actually. so he's quite serious about it. look, but the point of it is, is that

is this i mean, you know, it's like going to a job interview and then saying, oh, no, i'm not going to work here. then he will have time with his family, but doesn't specifically at a set time every week . time every week. >> it has to be within reason. >> it has to be within reason. >> and don't forget an additional point . and that is additional point. and that is that as prime minister, he's going to be paid quite a lot more money than backbench mps. it's expected of him to work more. and while i certainly would not deny him time with this family, it has to be within reason and fried if he wants to take friday evenings off to have a friday night dinner in the traditional jewish style with this family, that's fine. but i would expect to see him working on sunday. >> on the other hand, do you think i'm very interested to see whether the civil service would be working on friday afternoons? because we all know they like to work from home. they're still on lockdown hours. i can't imagine there's a huge amount of civil servants that are still in at 6:00 on a friday, but also he's deaung 6:00 on a friday, but also he's dealing with international time zones, so it's not quite. >> well, he is. >> well, he is. >> i mean , and no doubt he will >> i mean, and no doubt he will he'll be phoning joe biden or whoever his american president is at odd hours. look, i mean , is at odd hours. look, i mean, when i was a minister, there were civil servants who were working odd hours. those were my

private office, those who were very close to ministers were working odd hours. so it's not true that the old civil service knocks off, you know, my private office was working the same hours as i was working at the time, but post lockdown, you've got to admit that they're a little bit more. >> yeah, they should, they should be finishing early. >> it should be in the office more. i agree, i agree with you, but this is a storm in a teacup. he will. he will do whatever he has to do in order to deliver his duties as prime minister, i think. and if there's some major event on a friday, he will be in working in downing street. but he had a different time with his family and we shouldn't begrudge him. >> yeah, but i think that you're equating people saying, hold on a minute. you can't be setting specific with what time. well, what about when with not having time with the family? what about christians who go to church every sunday? >> isn't that is , i go to church >> isn't that is, i go to church every sunday. people might say, should we say that's knocking off for that? no, we would just respect. that's part of the normal week, the sort of sort of the weekend, though, isn't it, that time friday evening? >> not really. no it isn't, no. i mean it's he does have to comply with the demands of the job. >> yeah . this is a role which

>> yeah. this is a role which requires almost 24 over seven attention. and if he didn't want to give 24 over seven attention to give 24 over seven attention to it, he shouldn't have stood to it, he shouldn't have stood to be prime minister in the first place. >> i think he will give that. >> i think he will give that. >> i think it was a good, hard and fast rule in opposition. but clearly he's got to adjust his expectations now, hasn't he ? expectations now, hasn't he? >> no, i don't know. maybe that is his expectation. and he's saying come what may they have a massive majority now i suppose you could do what he likes, right? >> i believe so, with with 410 seats, he hasn't got any problems in that, that area. although of course there could be trouble within the labour party. he might find in the course of the next 12 months the rebellions against his policies from the labour party. and that will certainly take up his attention if it happens. >> i mean, one of the main ones that i know, there's sort of opposition within the party is obviously the vat on private schools, which hasn't gone down well. even the obr has said that it may not bring in the money that they're expecting, and if so, it might actually cost the taxpayer. i mean, that one. the unions are already up in arms about it as well, aren't they, gary? >> i think the biggest issue will be the so—called palestine issue. do you think within the labour party ? yes, there's a lot

labour party? yes, there's a lot of left wing labour mps who are sympathetic with the cause for gaza , mistakenly, in my view, of gaza, mistakenly, in my view, of course. but that is the fact and thatis course. but that is the fact and that is something that keir starmer will have to deal with over the course of the next yeah >> do you do you suspect that the labour party might find themselves in lots of different factions, just like the tory party? and if so , how soon do party? and if so, how soon do you think it's going to kick in? there's obviously a honeymoon period, i think. >> i think factions is too a strong a way of putting it, but i think do you think. yes i think there'll be of course, 412 labour mps are going to be with different parties. some will be focused on palestine as a not least of their constituencies concerned about it, others will be focused about the health service. i mean others you focused about sewage and the environment. i mean nothing wrong with that. the issue is whether keir starmer gives them this freedom. if you like the space to express their views within a coherent party, or whether he tries to organise them so they can't say what they think and they're not independently minded and that's not welcomed, or whether in fact, that leads to factions. if people try to shut up other

members of the party. >> but sorry. >> but sorry. >> well, all of these are great examples of how many flare ups can happen on any day at any time. >> exactly. and at that point, you know, say there was a big problem with one of the marches, you know, he's just going to have to down tools at home and just drop everything and be on it. and so these are all great examples of why he's completely unrealistic to think he can finish at six. >> but the fact that he even said it was the fact that he even said it, though, just shows a bit of level of naivety, surely? >> yeah, it does a bit and actually the way he said it was so, boorish and sort of i'm going to do it things my way. it does actually sort of worry me that if that's how prescriptive he is about everything, there might be some trouble ahead. >> i don't think he shouldn't have said, come what may. he said, he did say that. yeah, but i mean , apart from that, i mean i mean, apart from that, i mean the idea he wants to spend time in, in with his family on a day. it's important to his religion. seems to me to be entirely laudable. >> may i ask , is it realistic, >> may i ask, is it realistic, though laudable, that he should try to? >> but as you say, the words come what may are not acceptable in this context. when you're prime minister >> well, that's a lot of people will see it that way as well,

because a lot of people have to work on a friday and they can't say they can't just go, oh, well, i'm not going to do it come what may. if the boss asks you to do overtime, you do overtime. >> the one aspect i completely reject is the jewish tradition aspect with regard to sundays and on sundays, a lot of religious jews who would keep friday night and keep the shabbat work on sundays. indeed, they even work on saturday evenings during during the winter, when shabbat goes out early, i will lay you a bet, not a conservative bet , by the way. a conservative bet, by the way. >> the sort of that, you know, resolve and bounce, but lay you a bet that he'd be working on saturday and sunday. >> well, he said, his words were , >> well, he said, his words were, we've had a strategy in place and we'll try to keep it, which is to carve out really protected time for kids. so on a friday, i've been doing this for years. i've been doing this for years. i will not do a work related thing at 6:00 pretty well come what may. would you? well, there are a few exceptions, but that's what we do. >> well, he says he's been doing it for years, but he wasn't the prime minister running the country in years gone by. so he'll just have to adjust that. i mean, who can begrudge a man for caring about their kids ? for caring about their kids? it's a nice, noble aim, but it's not going to happen.

>> i don't know about that. i mean, it's nice that everyone cares about their kids. i mean , cares about their kids. i mean, the majority of sensible elle edwards care about their kids, and i'm sure everybody would like to be able to say, i'm going to down tools now every friday. but i don't think it's realistic. gary, do you think it's realistic? no. well, norman bakeh it's realistic? no. well, norman baker, do you think it's realistic? >> i think pretty well come what may is better than come what? me? >> it's very vague, isn't it? pretty well, come what may. he's a master of not sort of fully giving you an actual answer. >> he was probably trying to win over the wives and mothers you know, out there. possibly like myself, who thought, oh, that's nice. he wants to he wants to look after the kids. isn't that sweet? but he probably didn't really mean it if he said pretty well come what may. yeah, exactly. >> and of course, he was obviously trying to win over the jewish community, i suspect, as well. yeah, well , once again, i well. yeah, well, once again, i think orthodox jews would ask the question that i've just asked. >> will he be working on sundays to make up for the friday? >> well, what do you think? gbnews.com/yoursay do you feel that saying, come what may, i'm going to work. i'm not going to work . do a work related thing. work. do a work related thing. after 6:00 on a friday, especially when your prime minister is realistic ? or are we minister is realistic? or are we being unfair? you're with me.

i'm nana akua this is gb news. we're live on tv, online and on digital radio. coming up, we'll continue with the great british debate this hour. i'm asking , debate this hour. i'm asking, should sir keir starmer be clocking off at 6 pm? you'll hear the thoughts of my panel. also, my outside guest is on the way. we'll be talking highs and lows , lessons learned and what lows, lessons learned and what comes next. she is a singer songwriter and very famous for striking visuals and her eclectic mix of musical styles and innovative approach to music production. but first, let's get your latest news headlines . your latest news headlines. >> now, now. thank you. the top stories this hour. the prime minister has told the palestinian president that recognising the state of palestine is part of a middle east peace process is an undeniable right. sir keir starmer spoke to mahmoud abbas earlier today. he also spoke to his israeli counterpart, benjamin netanyahu, setting out the clear and urgent need for a ceasefire . labour's election ceasefire. labour's election manifesto committed the to party

recognising a palestinian state as part of a process that results in a two state solution . results in a two state solution. meanwhile, the prime minister is beginning a uk tour as he tries to reset the relationship between westminster and the devolved nations. first up, sir keir starmer is heading to edinburgh, where he's expected to meet first ministerjohn swinney, the prime minister says his government will place scotland back at the beating heart of everything we do. likely contenders in the tory leadership battle are starting to emerge. using newspaper articles and interviews to say what they think went wrong , what they think went wrong, former home secretary suella braverman said rishi sunak had run an idiotic strategy and needed to take a tougher line on reducing immigration. x immigration minister robert jenrick said failing to reduce numbers was our biggest and most damaging failure , and former damaging failure, and former health secretary victoria atkins said the country was still instinctively conservatives, with labour's support spread very thinly, like margarine .

very thinly, like margarine. suella braverman said the tories are facing an existential threat from reform uk. the former home secretary told gb news they lost hundreds of brilliant conservative mps because of nigel farage's party. she's urging her fellow mps to decide what type of party they are and neutralise that threat. and england will face the netherlands in the euro semi—finals on wednesday. that is after they beat switzerland last night. the three lions squeaked past the swiss on penalties five three. they won that after the game ended one all after extra time. the prince of wales was among football fans rejoicing as england won , rejoicing as england won, describing the match as nail biting to the very end . and biting to the very end. and those are the latest gb news headlines. for now i'm tatiana sanchez, more in half an hour for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code or go to gbnews.com

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tuned in. welcome to gv news. we are live on tv , online and on are live on tv, online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua and it's digital radio. i'm nana akua and wsfime digital radio. i'm nana akua and it's time now for the great british. debate this out, and i'm asking, should sir keir starmer be clocking off at 6 pm. on a friday before becoming prime minister, keir starmer said that he wouldn't work do one a work related thing on a friday, something that he'd been doing before and didn't want to doing before and didn't want to do it now just to make time for his family and all that kind of thing. but as the most powerful person in britain is that unrealistic? so if the great british debate that, sir, i'm asking, should sir keir starmer be clocking off at 6 pm. on a friday? right. so joining me to discuss my panel, author and broadcaster christine hamilton house, a journalist and broadcaster, danny kelly. right. i'm going to start with you, christine hamilton. >> well, he's obviously taking a lead out of rishi's book who clocked off early from the d—day beaches, didn't he ? very good. beaches, didn't he? very good. i think it's i think it's a noble ambition, given that he's married to a jew and friday is their big day, big night. so i

think it's a noble ambition. but i think it's incredibly naive. i don't think he has yet possibly realised exactly what's going to hit him. i don't think he'll be able to do it, but i think it's able to do it, but i think it's a noble ambition. i mean, margaret thatcher, for example, she worked until 2:00 in the morning. yeah. she then got up at six. she did another red box. she cooked breakfast for denis. then she had her hair done, and then she faced the world. she'd been up for sort of two, three, four hours before everybody else started stirring. so i don't think he'll be able to stick to it. and obviously if he goes home at 6:00 on a friday, who takes over? no wonder angela rayneh takes over? no wonder angela rayner, the ginger growler, wants to be deputy prime minister because she'll then be on duty from 6:00 every friday evening. but i think, no, i you know, why not? nobody dies wishing they'd spent more time at the office. his children deserve him. his wife deserves his time. so i think, as i say, it's a noble ambition. but i don't think he'll achieve it very often. yeah, and why shouldn't he have friday from six off if he's going to work all day sunday? >> but you don't need to tell everybody that as well. i mean,

thatis everybody that as well. i mean, that is also a very foolish thing to do. well i think if you haven't said anything, don't need to say anything. >> i presume i'm not his spokesperson. i assume he wants to come over as a family man, which he obviously is. >> or maybe he's trying to get the jewish vote, i don't think. well, maybe because you wouldn't say that. why does he need to tell everybody that he's not going to work from 6:00 on a friday? you're not going to do that. do it quietly, because obviously you're going to have people going. you're the prime minister. you can't set a set time. >> i think that's an automatic reaction. i think that was his automatic reaction instilled in him with his hardwired socialist ideology. like a lot of unions will want, people once they clock off. that's it. yeah. if your boss rings you up or emails you, you're not getting paid. clock off and that's instilled that's hardwired into the lad. i think it was a foolish thing to say because a lot of labour voters, they if someone rings them up or they get an email from the boss at half nine on a friday night, they think, oh my god. and they feel compelled to answer it because they're worried about their jobs and everything. i don't think it's got anything really to do with this is just a personal opinion. i don't think he was. he was, if you like, pandering to the jewish faith. you don't think so? i don't think so. no, no , i so? i don't think so. no, no, i just think it was an automatic

reaction that's hardwired into him that at 6:00 on a friday night, because all the other labour voters aren't getting paid to work. so why should i? i think it was just that sort of train of thought. >> it's nothing to do with that . >> it's nothing to do with that. it's nothing to do with people not being. it's nothing to do with. he's paid to do a 24 over seven job and all. he was saying is that i want to carve out this particular time, which is precious and special to my family for reasons because his wife is jewish, and that's what they've always done. that's all he was saying. i don't see anything wrong in that. i just think it's naive to think he's going to be able to do it. >> you may be right, but i also may be partly right in the sense that, you know, when people clock off, that's it. they clock off. and that's part of the labour ideology. it's part of socialism that you only you should only be rewarded for the work you give to other people. i'm not saying you're wrong, but i'm not saying you're wrong, but i'm saying maybe it's partly, i think possibly he shouldn't have used the word clock off because of the reason he used the word clock off. >> well, no, no, no, did he not? >> oh, he said we've had a strategy in place and we'll try to keep it, which we carve out. >> well that's fine then. >> well that's fine then. >> carve out really protected time for the kids on a friday. i've been doing it for years. i

will do i will not do a work related thing after 6 pm. pretty much pretty well come what may. >> i don't understand his mentality. i mean, i've worked 24 over seven ever since i started working, since i left university. i mean, you take your time off when you can, but your time off when you can, but you do not have, especially in politics, which is where i've spent so many years. you do not say, i can't do this and i can't not work saturday night, sunday night, all of his supporters are saying , look, all the all the saying, look, all the all the tories are saying that if there was a russian bomber caught flying over dup. >> but, but, but he said it's so stupid. of course it is ridiculous analogy. but what he said was anything so like i'm in the car business. it's like me saying after 6:00 danielle rings you up, dad, i've had a complaint. the fella wants a new tyre. it's 6:05, i ain't. i ain't talking to you. it's 6:05. you know, there could be some trivial things that the prime minister needs to give answers to. well, he said russian bombers. >> no, but he has said, if you know, if i have to, i will. or words to that effect . words to that effect. >> he said there are a few exceptions, but that's what we do. >> i do think people have overreacted. and i think that,

you know, people have tried to make such a big thing of it. oh, he's only going to be a part time prime minister. that's ridiculous. rubbish. >> well, no, i think people a lot of people are just seeing it in looking at their own circumstances and asking whether they themselves could go, i'm not going to do another work related thing until 6 pm. and they're probably thinking, well, it's pretty unrealistic. it isn't realistic as a prime minister as i mean, he's already out and about today and he is he's working hard today. >> his health minister is just about to ask the nhs people to do more overtime and work weekends. >> i just think he needs to have a look, have a think about how it might come across. but this show is nothing without you and your views. let's welcome our great british voices, their opportunity to be on the show. tell us what they think about the topics we're discussing. i've got john reading kidderminster, john, he's not going to work. work related thing. 6:00 friday. yeah that's it. >> i can't get my breath. nana >> i can't get my breath. nana >> we witnessed a revolution last week, didn't we? >> the going. >> the going. >> thank god of 14 years of pain. and the new boys now in the job. he's been in it three days. he's made some really important changes. he's doing stuff today that nobody ever did before him.

>> and here we are talking about whether he can have friday nights off. >> it's just a topic that's got no merit. we should be talking about the good things he's doing , about the good things he's doing, which he's only just got in. >> what's he done that's good? >> what's he done that's good? >> what's he done that's good? >> what he's done in my world, that's good. nana he's revolutionised the thought process that goes into the prison world and what we're doing in there, because the last government has just, well, words fail me, but it's a mess, isn't it? everyone accepts the criminal justice system is a mess. we're locking up way too many people for way too long, and there are so many people that could do something about it. and thank god he's put james timpson in there , because timpson in there, because there's a man with a with, you know, he'll revolutionise it and change it. i've met james, i know him a little bit. he's a good man and he'll change it. and this, this has been coming for a long time. >> yeah, well he said he would change it, but he said that prisoners will do. what is it, a quarter of their of their sentence. i don't know whether you know . i sentence. i don't know whether you know. i mean he might be right. look, i don't know, but and i'm glad that people who understand the narrative are

being put in the positions that they should be. and listen, i'm with you. i want to see success. and if he succeeds, good on him. thank you very much, john. reading convinced a lovely to talk to you. thank you. that is john read. he's our great british voices. you're with me. i'm nana akua. this is gb news live on tv, online and on digital radio. on the way in the next hour, my great british debate. i'm asking, do you think sir keir starmer will reverse brexit? but next worldview. we'll speak to paul duddridge , we'll speak to paul duddridge, host of the politics people podcast, and find out what's going on in the us

good afternoon. welcome to gb news. we are live on tv, online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua and it's time for worldview. so let's cross over to america now and have a chat with the host of the politics people podcast. paul duddridge. so paul , let's see. so let's

so paul, let's see. so let's start. where should we start with joe biden insists that he's not he's not going to be dropping out of the race. what he says he insists he's not dropping out of the race. >> he insists he's not dropping out of the race and some people are paying him attention still. so expect him to be dropping out of the race any minute now. that's basically what we're saying. but no, he did a he did a fiery, interview with abc, the other night to sort of quell all the rumours about his, decline. and i think it lasted all of 21 minutes. and the questions were, prearranged. so, yeah, he's going to go. it's not now a question of whether he, moves aside. i think you said it's like whether he's even capable of stepping aside. it's not, a question of whether he steps aside now. it's going to be how they do it and when it happens. >> yeah. i mean, we've got a clip of this , this thing that clip of this, this thing that you were talking about, should we play a bit of that clip? because we get to see how he how joe biden behaved. let's take a listen. >> this is the white house situation room getting to

connect prime minister starmer to president biden. you are now connected to air force one. >> okay. thank you, mr one more for the president. >> mr prime minister, congratulations. what a hell of a victory . congratulations. a victory. congratulations. >> thank you, mr president. it's, it's been a long night and day. i've been busy, appointing my cabinet during the course of this afternoon. so thank you very much for your congratulations. and fortuitously, we will see each other next week. i'm very much looking forward to seeing you in washington and having the opportunity. obviously to sit down properly. >> i'm looking forward to it as well. there's no doubt that under your leadership, our two countries are going to continue our special relationship. we're working together just about every issue, supporting ukraine, managing the competition with china , advancing cooperation in china, advancing cooperation in the indo—pacific with aukus. >> firstly, the special relationship. >> so that was keir starmer having a conversation with joe biden. i mean, it could have even been an ai voice or like a look at sound. you likey? i

mean, was that that was a well, it was good of it was good of biden's handlers to interrupt his nap time to speak to the new prime minister, the, talking about keir starmer with his 6:00, biden said in his interview that he needs more sleep and he's now going to clock off at eight. >> so he's actually , he's he's >> so he's actually, he's he's got a bedtime as well. most powerful man in the world. and he goes, he clocks off at 8:00 every day. that is. so it's not even just friday, yeah. it's, it's looking like i said, the question is now when are they going to actually replace him? who's going to replace him? is now the question? it's kind of, kamala harris is now being floated, even though she's losing to trump in the polls in any hypothetical, election she's losing. but it looks like because of the funding of the democrat party that legally it has to be somebody from that administration. otherwise there is going to be a whole legal to do about. hang on, we don't. we donated to the biden campaign.

you can't. we want our money back. so this is all getting very, very interesting. but yes, get ready for a new president. you've got a new prime minister. we're going to be getting a new president soon. >> but joe biden said he wouldn't commit to an independent cognitive test. that's a bit concerning as well. he said he was not going to do that. >> no. even better. >> no. even better. >> even better, he said i take a cognitive test every day doing this job is the cognitive test. and we're all going, yeah, that's the point. that's why we're asking for a cognitive test. it's the way you're not doing this job every day is why we're sort of suspicious and would like a professional to intervene. so he's had physicals, he's had physicals, but they they do not include cognitive tests. it's like, okay, well bits of your body are working. we get that and you can be lifted everywhere. i don't want to be unkind, but yeah, his retort was, i do this, i do a cognitive test every day and we're going, yeah, i know we've seen it. we've seen the results. that's why we're worried. >> yeah. and what about president trump? how's he getting on. >> well, well last week i told you he was going to be

sentenced. he's not going to be sentenced. he's not going to be sentenced now this week he's supposed to be sentenced on july the 11th. the supreme court have come in and gone like, yeah, no, you can't do that. he's like the president . and anything he did president. and anything he did while he was president has got the presumption of immunity, the presumption of immunity. and so the sentencing itself is going to be delayed, possibly forever. and now the other documents case, the actual federal documents case, you know, where he's supposed to have taken documents and all that. and the january, the sixth, all these kind of things where he's implicated as starting an insurrection or whatever could all just melt away because it looks like whilst he was acting under the authority of his presidency, you can't touch him. and so a lot of the legal stuff is going to fall away. we're only going to be left with, we're only going to be left with, i think the e jean carroll case and that's it. and that's going to go up to appeal eventually. so he's being exonerated left, right, and centre. >> well, of course they're realising that he's probably going to be in power. paul duddridge, always brilliant to speak to you host the politics people podcast world view as eveh people podcast world view as ever. then at five it's my outside guest . she's an ever. then at five it's my outside guest. she's an artist recognised for her striking visual aesthetic performances. she will be live next.

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and drizzle in there, but certainly for much of scotland, northern ireland, northern england there will be some sunshine to kick off the day. a few showers eventually developing as we head into the latter stages of the morning and the afternoon in the south, though, we are going to be watching as this rain slowly pushes its way in, it will be turning quite bleak and gloomy for southern areas of england, and eventually into southern wales as well later on, and the rain will slowly push its way in from the south, with some brisk winds developing perhaps 3035 mile an hour. gusts along the southern coast of england later on into the afternoon . feeling on into the afternoon. feeling quite cool underneath that persistent cloud and rain temperatures perhaps not climbing as as much as 15 or 16 c, but further north, where we see the sunshine, actually might see 2020 one degrees celsius. that's more around where we should be for this stage of the year. the rain in the south is all due to this area of low pressure that is sweeping its way in from the southwest. it is going to make very slow progress northwards as we head throughout to the end of monday and eventually into tuesday. but it will be eventually moving its way into wales and then as we move into the overnight period, northern

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>> good afternoon. welcome to gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua . digital radio. i'm nana akua. and for the next hour, me and my panel will be taking on some of the big topics hitting the headunes the big topics hitting the headlines right now. this show is all about opinion. it's mine, it's theirs. and of course it's yours. so coming up at five, it's my outside guest now. she's a an artist recognised for her striking visual aesthetic, often collaborating with visual artists and designers to create

compelling music videos and artworks. haven't given you much of a clue, but i'm sure you'll be very excited when you see her. then for the great british debate this hour, i'm asking, do you think sir keir starmer will reverse brexit? then for cliff bates, i'll be showing you a viral video from, have a look at this . a seagull going through this. a seagull going through a shop. but what happens next? but first, let's get your latest . news. >> nana, thank you very much. and good afternoon . the top and good afternoon. the top stories the prime minister has told the palestinian president that recognising the state of palestine as part of a middle east peace process is an undeniable right. sir keir starmer spoke to mahmoud abbas earlier today. he also spoke to his israeli counterpart benjamin netanyahu, setting out the clear and urgent need for a ceasefire. labour's election manifesto committed the party to recognising a palestinian state as part of a process that

results in a two state solution . results in a two state solution. meanwhile, the prime minister is beginning a uk tour as he tries to reset the relationship between westminster and the devolved nations. first up, sir keir starmer is heading to edinburgh, where he's expected to meet first ministerjohn swinney, the prime minister says his government will place scotland back at the beating heart of everything we do. he's also promised to turn his back on tribalism and usher in an era of stability and moderation . of stability and moderation. likely contenders in the tory leadership battle are starting to emerge. using newspaper articles and interviews to say what they think went wrong , what they think went wrong, former home secretary suella braverman said rishi sunak had run an idiotic strategy and needed to take a tougher line on reducing immigration. x immigration minister robert jenrick said failing to reduce numbers was our biggest and most damaging failure, and former health secretary victoria atkins said the country was still

instinctively conservatives, with labour's support spread very thinly, like margarine . very thinly, like margarine. suella braverman says the tories are facing an existential threat from reform uk. the former home secretary told gb news they lost hundreds of brilliant conservative mps because of nigel farage's party. she also said there is only room for one conservative party in british politics, and she's urging her fellow mps to decide what type of party they are and neutralise that threat. >> whilst hundreds of brilliant conservative mps, because of reform millions of our voters were betrayed and angry with the conservatives and they went to an alternative reform. so i believe whoever's leading the party, whoever's in the party, needs to acknowledge this basic truth that we are facing an existential threat from reform , existential threat from reform, and we need to change ourselves to ensure that we neutralise that threat, that we bring those people back home.

>> but reform uk chairman richard tice told us the tories have had their chance . have had their chance. >> well, look, i mean, our progress and success has been self—evident for the last six months. they will have the chance to join us, to defect to us like lee anderson did. they decided to stay in the existing conservative tent and in a sense, you know, there are consequences to people's decisions . they made that decisions. they made that decision, and in a sense, they paid the price . that's what paid the price. that's what competition is all about. i mean, we came second in almost 100 seats across the united kingdom. we're now the dominant opposition in the north of england to the labour party. so we've made huge progress. and i come back, you know, competition is a fundamental conservative principle. they should believe in it . in it. >> thousands of people lined the streets today to pay their respects to former leeds rhinos rugby star rob burrow. the funeral took place in pontefract for the england international. the 41 year old died on june the

2nd after a lengthy battle with motor neurone disease. today's service coincides with leeds rhinos annual celebration of rob burrow day, marking the number seven shirt he wore during his rugby league career . seven shirt he wore during his rugby league career. england will face the netherlands in the euro semi—finals on wednesday after beating switzerland in germany last night. the three lions squeaked past the swiss on penalties five three after the game ended one all after extra time. the prince of wales was among football fans rejoicing as england won , describing the england won, describing the match as nail biting to the very end . and finally in france , end. and finally in france, voters are heading to the polls for the second round of elections , including french elections, including french president emmanuel macron , who president emmanuel macron, who has also cast his ballot, and the result is expected to reconfigure the political landscape in france with

national rally likely to win the most votes but still fall short of a majority. last sunday, marine le pen's party scored historic gains to win the first round. they've seen increased support off the back of voter concerns over household budgets and also on . immigration and and also on. immigration and those are the latest gb news headlines. for now, i'm tatiana sanchez. more in half an hour for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code or go to gbnews.com forward slash alerts . forward slash alerts. >> good afternoon. it's just gone six minutes after 5:00. this is a gb news man live on tv, onune this is a gb news man live on tv, online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua and for the next hour, me and my panel will be taking on some of those big topics hitting the headlines right now. this show is all about opinion. it's mine. it's theirs. and of course it's yours. we'll be

debating, discussing and at times we will disagree, but no one will be cancelled . so one will be cancelled. so joining me today, it's journalist and broadcaster danny kelly, also author and broadcaster christine hamilton. now still to come . each sunday now still to come. each sunday at five, i'm joined by a celebrity, a former mp or someone who has had an extremely interesting career to take a look at. life after the job. we talk highs, lows and lessons learned and what comes next on the outside and today my guest is an artist recognised for her striking visual aesthetic, often collaborating with visual artists and designers to create compelling music and art videos and things like that. i can't give you any more clues than that, because otherwise you work out who she is. then for all the great british debate this out, i'm asking, do you think sir keir starmer will reverse brexit? it says the prime minister will reportedly reopen negotiations with the eu and apparently wants a more relaxed freedom of movement rules. really? so for the great british debate sir, i'm asking, do you think that sir keir starmer will attempt to reverse brexit as ever? get in touch

gbnews.com/yoursay . gbnews.com/yoursay. >> blown away. coming in. >> blown away. coming in. >> right. so every saturday and sunday, actually at five, i'm always joined by an incredible guest. and this time, my guest is someone who has had an extremely interesting career. we talk highs, lows, lessons learned and what comes next on the outside. and today, well, she was born in the early 2000. she's a baby. baby. little little young lady. my guest grew up because i'm so old. that's why now, my guest, i think she's, half my age. my guest grew up in a musically diverse environment, which significantly influenced her unique sound, with blends and lots of different types of electronic and indie and pop music, alongside music that she's recognised for this wonderful visual aesthetic. she does a lot of work with lots of designers and creates incredible music with videos. but can you guess what she is? well, she's singer songwriter ra ra leavesley, so i've got ra ra leavesley. >> ra ra ra ra ra ra leavesley.

all right. yeah, that's my first name. leavesley. >> but you're known as ra ra . yeah. >> everyone calls me ra ra ra. it's actually my little niece, florence. when she was about four, she gave me the name aunty ra ra. >> and then it just stuck with everybody. >> well, it's quite good, isn't it? it's like nana ra ra ra. yeah. nana and ra ra. it? it's like nana ra ra ra. yeah. nana and ra ra . yeah. yeah. nana and ra ra. yeah. >> no no no no no. >> so listen, talk to me about you because you are very talented. you've got a fabulous voice, and we all get to hear a little bit of your music in a moment. so everyone will wait for that. please wait for that. but talk to me about your. you know why you came into what you're doing. >> okay, so i've been a singer songwriter for most of my life, i started singing from a very early age in the back garden, singing to gina g, on cassette. >> remember the cassette days? >> remember the cassette days? >> and, i just always wanted to be, like a diva . and, i think be, like a diva. and, i think i remember writing a letter to top of the pops once asking, can you make me a pop star? so it probably got it somewhere still, but yeah, i've always loved

music . music. >> it's, you know, it's my passion. it's my, you know, it's kind of what i live and breathe. >> i love writing, i started singing first. >> i got into writing, just towards my 20s. >> i actually started writing charity songs. and i think, the big ballads kind of taught me how to write a structure of song. >> and i went into, you know, being a cover artist. so travelled the world doing that. >> you covered travel the world. >> you covered travel the world. >> really? yeah. i lived in china a few times, which was interesting, >> what was that like? because a lot of people hear about china, we think, oh yeah, yeah , china. we think, oh yeah, yeah, china. >> do you know what it is? >> do you know what it is? >> another world out there . >> another world out there. >> another world out there. >> like, i mean, i had a fabulous time. it was it was a great experience for me. >> i was young , you're still >> i was young, you're still young. you're very. yeah. i know, i know, but i think it just kind of, like, really built my on stage , experience. so, my on stage, experience. so, learning how to perform and sing to lots of crowds and things and.

>> yeah, now, of course, your partner is charlie mullins. yes yeah, it would have been here today, but he did. he couldn't come. >> no, no, he's busy. >> busy, busy. yeah, you know how did you guys meet, >> so it was actually in spain, in marbella . so i actually lived in marbella. so i actually lived in marbella. so i actually lived in the middle east, so i had, you know, a business over there in dubai, and, i was a vocal coach, and i was writing songs for emirati artists. and i also had my own rockabilly outfit, the cherry cherry bomb gang. so i put that together. the first rockabilly band, the rockabilly band. yeah, rockabilly. so it's like 1950s style music. but what i had to do because dubai was actually formed in 1972, they wouldn't understand what rockabilly was. >> so i had to kind of make it a vintage band, >> and actually put covers over the top of a rock and roll. >> outfit. >> outfit. >> so i it was a really , really >> so i it was a really, really cool time for me. but then covid hit and then, i ended up in spain because i was visiting some friends i used to live with in dubai , and then i bumped into

in dubai, and then i bumped into charlie on the beach because i thought he was a rod stewart tribute. so he was a rod stewart tribute. so he was a rod stewart tribute because i'm a musician. so. but yeah, that's how we met. and, yeah, i think, you know, the journey is just, you know, been incredible since then. >> yeah . so you have released >> yeah. so you have released your own single. yes. is it on a record label or is it your own label? >> i'm guessing. yeah. so, it's taken me a few years to kind of get to this point. and because the industry is forever changing, but we are very much now in the digital world. so the platforms are kind of open to everybody, and i kind of made the decision , i came away from the decision, i came away from being managed, and i kind of put myself into my own apprenticeship last year. i think it was about august, september , and, i actually got september, and, i actually got some help from a lady called kimi from hyper tribe who actually helped me set up my own record label and told me how to run it essentially, and how i could release my music, sign myself to my label and do it myself, so big thanks to kimi

and, i'm working blind and talent pr as well, so and, i'm working blind and talent pr as well , so they do talent pr as well, so they do a little bit of artist, management just to get the kind of brand like together, and so all of us all together, have you know, they have been a big part of releasing this, this single, which i released on friday called sweet hurricane. so oh, it's so exciting. i'm so like , it's so exciting. i'm so like, you know, i'm over the moon because it's been such a long, hard journey. well, so we have a listen to it then let's have a listen. >> introduce your song archewell. >> introduce your song archewell. >> okay, so this is sweet hurricane. which was written by myself, ant whiting and emily phillips. >> all right, let's play it . >> all right, let's play it. post office. so why don't you smash a glass or two, take the words out your mouth and the road and about till black and blue. >> say hi to your name . sweet >> say hi to your name. sweet honey case. i love. >> and then . >> and then. >> and then. >> that's really good.

>> that's really good. >> you look a bit 60s today. >> you look a bit 60s today. >> yeah. lovely. stop this for you. because i knew this dress. yeah. thing. yeah. that is. that's a lovely song. i love the sound of that. it's quite funky, isn't it ? yeah. isn't it? yeah. >> and i think, you know, i wanted to release my first single as i really like dancing. uplifting one. you know, the. it has got a little bit of a 60s influence as well. i want to bnng influence as well. i want to bring that authenticity back. i want to bring that era back a little bit in a modern day time, and the video comes out on friday. it's about so that's, you know, less than a week. >> so we get we here on gb news got the first sound. yeah. >> very proper broadcast. >> very proper broadcast. >> oh good. so we've got very lucky . yeah. a short clip of it lucky. yeah. a short clip of it for you to talk to. all to hear it. it's out on friday. yeah. so people are looking for that and want to download it or where can they find it. >> so you can go to rara official com so you can find all my platforms on there, all the links. you can find the premiere of the video on there where you can subscribe to the youtube channel, and it will premiere like five, four, three, two

days, one day and then, it gets released. so yeah. >> well done. you see, that's quite entrepreneurial , quite entrepreneurial, innovative to do it yourself. >> it's yeah, it's a lot of work, but the rewards are brilliant and i do recommend like to music artists if you know, if they can do it themselves then go through go through the pain a little bit and learn how to do it yourself. because do it yourself. it's there's so much out there now. there's so much there's actually a lot of support out there as well. like hyper tribe is brilliant, support platform for musicians who want to make money in the industry because it's very, very hard to make money. >> i could imagine it is very difficult to make money, >> you know, it's a very good support platform and then, you know, find a good pr team and just find find your tribe actually , because there's not actually, because there's not many people that are part of your tribe in this business. >> so amazing. >> so amazing. >> yeah, well, listen, you've got another song coming out. when is that going to be released? soon as well . released? soon as well. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> so i've got two more coming out this year and then i'm

actually looking for a collaborator to write christmas single as well . so yeah, i think single as well. so yeah, i think that'll be cool actually. yeah, because we've, we've spoken about that before, but, i've got one. yeah. christmas song. yeah. we've, we've got to start soon though. >> we've got to start writing. all right. september the 6th, >> i'll be releasing it's not fair. and i wrote that with a guy called blair mackichan, who is responsible for writing the greatest by sia and stone cold sober by paloma faith. >> you've got some good people behind you now. >> yeah, yeah, he's a brilliant personality, but i actually recorded it in memphis . so recorded it in memphis. so i went to memphis and, it's a brilliant story how that happened. i actually was went to nashville and then ended up on music highway down to memphis at 5:00 in the morning. so, and then i ended up with, al green's performing band. >> so, they were the recording band behind him. right. well, listen , we will look forward to listen, we will look forward to heanng listen, we will look forward to hearing your single out on friday, sweet hurricane. >> is it called? yeah. did it

all by yourself. >> good job. yeah. thank you so much. thank you . well, lovely to much. thank you. well, lovely to see you. >> that is rah rah rah rah leavesley. >> yeah, i know right. >> yeah, i know right. >> rah rah. yeah yeah . >> rah rah. yeah yeah. >> rah rah. yeah yeah. >> thank you so much. rah rah. lovely to talk to you. take care. >> good luck. thank you. >> good luck. thank you. >> good luck. right. well if you just tuned in. welcome you've just tuned in. welcome you've just missed the music. but don't worry, you can download or get hold of her album. her song actually on, friday is sweet hurricane , right? it's coming up hurricane, right? it's coming up to 17 minutes after five. this is gb news coming up. clickbait. have a listen, have a watch, have a look. it's actually a seagull going in through the electric doors of the supermarket and jumping onto a sandwich shelf. what happens next? stay tuned to find out more. and i'm asking in the great british debate this hour , great british debate this hour, do you think sir keir starmer will reverse brexit? this gb

good afternoon. just coming up to 21 minutes after 5:00. this is gb news. we are live on tv, online, on digital radio. i'm nana akua and it's time now for the great british debate. this hour, i'm asking, do you think sir keir starmer will reverse brexit? i mean, do you trust him. it's the prime minister will be reportedly reopening negotiations with the eu and apparently wants a more relaxed freedom of movement rule. i mean, is that true? does he really want that then? so i'm asking you, do you think that keir starmer will reverse brexit? joining me now is political commentator benedict spence, deputy leader of rejoined the eu richard morley and former leader of ukip neil hamilton and the chair of republicans overseas, greg sansone. welcome. what i'm going to start with you benedict spence. what do you think? do you do you trust the keir starmer with his hand on the pulse for brexit? >> i think there's no doubt that sir keir starmer and certain tendencies within the labour party would like for us to have

a closer relationship with the european union. >> i'm certain that many of them would like us to rejoin the european union. i don't think that he is foolish enough to go too fast, too soon, so to speak. i think he understands that the sort of the thinness of his majority in several seats, not as an overall number, but as in several key seats, will make a lot of mps rather jumpy about pushing too hard on anything, particularly controversial for the first couple of years of his premiership. i think he will then, you know, feel out actually where the public are sitting in a couple of years time and whether or not he can chance his arm. i do think that they will move. to, create closer ties on certain things. i think freedom of movement may be some one thing that they look to change. i think certainly things like border control, military cooperation. i think as , as, as cooperation. i think as, as, as i sort of look westwards towards the united states and question mark raised over whether or not donald trump would want the us to play such a key role in the defence of europe. i think that

will be something that they certainly look to forge closer ties on europe with. but i would say as much as there are many people within the labour party that would definitely, you know, no question, would definitely like there to be a closer relationship and perhaps rejoining . he has relationship and perhaps rejoining. he has said it's relationship and perhaps rejoining . he has said it's not rejoining. he has said it's not going to happen this time. angela rayner has said it's not going to happen this time. i think keir starmer is too savvy to upset the applecart on that and reopen the whole issue, which, let's be clear, would give more succour to both the conservatives and plenty of succour to reform. >> interesting. greg sense and what do you think, sir keir starmer flip flops on many things before, when he was in opposition . now he is in the opposition. now he is in the chair of power. do you think that he can be trusted with brexit? >> i think he can be trusted with it. >> he's he's stated that. >> he's he's stated that. >> i don't think he could. i mean, it's one thing to flip flop on issues or even renege on some campaign promises, but i think it would just be way too extreme for him to try that, given what he said recently about we will not rejoin the eu in my lifetime. i think that's that's something that will stick with him . with him. >> yeah. yeah. but but you know, these people, they say one

thing, do another. >> you know, he is a politician. so, you know, you have to assume that there will be a lot of flip flopping. but and he doesn't strike me as someone with with conviction. and that's probably a good thing. you know , if he a good thing. you know, if he was a marxist like his predecessor in the party, then you might expect something, you know, something really radical. >> you mean jeremy corbyn if he's not jeremy corbyn? yeah. let's go to neil hamilton. he's a former leader of ukip. neil >> well, i don't think they can even contemplate, contemplate, returning to the eu formally because that would require another referendum, which they're certainly not going to give. but i think that what might happen is we'll get what's called dynamic alignment, which means that we will follow eu regulations with no, we're not in the eu. of course, the tories have done almost nothing of brexit. we've diverged in very, very limited way from the corpus

of legislation. much reopened again. but what i voted when we were sitting here, neil neil and that's your sound is going in and out. >> can you sit back a little bit further away from you at your microphone? because i think you might be too close. so it's, it's, it's doing a feed back. sorry. carry on. >> yeah. and so i think the problem is that we've hardly left the eu anyway. northern ireland is still formally part of the single market effectively. and we've got a border down the middle of the irish sea and the summer isn't going to do anything to disturb that. and i think that people will just carry on as dismal. we've followed under the tories not taking advantage of the freedoms they bring . freedoms they bring. >> yeah, yeah. all right. let's speak to richard morley , deputy speak to richard morley, deputy leader of rejoin the eu. richard, what are your thoughts on this ? on this? >> well, i think the new foreign secretary explained it very well when he said that he was embarking upon the first of many stages to attempt greater

integration with the eu , and i integration with the eu, and i think that's the best way of looking at it. >> yes, of course , it is not a >> yes, of course, it is not a right for him to attempt to rejoin it. at the moment, there is no mandate for him to do so. moreover, it isn't actually possible for britain to simply rejoin the eu in a single leap. it has to go through as the new foreign secretary has explained. and through a series of stages which gradually increase that integration, that trust, that that that degree of cooperation, so that rejoining or joining the single for market example, becomes then a possibility at the moment, we're in the very early stages of renewed, european alignment, and i think that everything is on course for us to go further because rishi sunak sort of alluded to this, that there's no way that there'll be any sort of further integration, without, freedom of movement and actually allowing some of the eu rules even if we

don't rejoin. >> greg, do you think that sir keir starmer may well start to try and relax things and bring on freedom of movement in exchange for closer alignment? kind of thing with the eu? >> oh, absolutely. i mean, this will be not quite rejoining, but in effect rejoining if they can, if they can tick a bunch of boxes about, you know, that that increase the cooperation. and so yeah, i would think it'll be almost like a stealth rejoining. yeah. >> benedict, do you think that that's really where we're going with this one that we might not officially rejoin, but we will be so in tuned and aligned, we might as well be in it. >> well, we already had a trial run of this during the last, mayoral race. london mayoral race, where actually many of the talking points that were raised by sadiq khan were very much more sort of pro eu than labour have been coming outwith. and, you know , as london tends to go, you know, as london tends to go, you know, as london tends to go, you can just imagine actually how the labour party will but feel that if these things are positive , it will be able to positive, it will be able to pursue them at a more national level later on. whether or not

that's correct or not is by the by that's what they'll inevitably do. and you can already see how they'll frame it. it'll be for young people, it'll be for skilled workers, and it'll be sold also as a possible route of getting, large numbers of migration from around the rest of the world down. if only the, you know , sort of the only the, you know, sort of the trade off, if you like, is having more migration from the european union, so i can see that they would do that sort of thing, see if it plays well. but i also think neil's right in that actually when we talk about brexit, brexit is something of an illusion. it's all very well leaving the european union and putting up trade barriers. if you then keep a large swathe of the regulation that europe already gave you and you don't sort of take advantage of the opportunity to do away with that. so, you know, it's one of those things where i suppose really the labour party will be looking at this and thinking, okay, politically as, as greg says, it's difficult to get away with actually the idea of rejoining or sort of massive, certainly official signings, treaties , that sort of thing, treaties, that sort of thing, saying, yes, that's it. we're

going to have greater alignment. but a lot of the framework is already there, and it's just going to be a few things tinkering around the edges and things that they feel that they're able to sell to the pubuc they're able to sell to the public whilst not being actual rejoining, but in fact, in reality being aligned. >> richard, i'm going to ask this one to you because, you know, there's talk of closer alignment and everything else but europe appears to be swinging further to the right. is that is that really where we want to be aligned, you know, in this country? because obviously they're going further to the right. a lot of european countries now seem to be electing more right wing, right of centre governments. >> well, you must remember, we may have a labour government with a two thirds majority, but it only had a one third share of the vote. yeah. and one can fairly say that the whole of europe, if not other parts of the world, as well, is drifting towards right wing politics in view of the enormous degree of crisis that faces every country in the planet as well. over the

coming decades. and i think it is a fear that many people have that we will move too far to the right. and of course, these are alarm bells for centrist politicians to get their act together and realise it's only by working together with other nations, not only in europe but internationally as a whole. it's only by working together with other nations that can solve the global crisis that faces us all next 20 to 30 years. >> but but you don't have to join them in a way, as it were, and back into the eu. greg, do you think, that with freedom of movement . because if you they'll movement. because if you they'll be if they do have the exchange and we do get a closer relationship, it will be to accept more people. i suspect more migrants into this country. i mean, america is in a, in a in a mess over all of that, right? >> i think if they if they make it easier for people to move here legally and whether that's, you know, 100% freedom of movement, but they have to deal with the, the boats first. they have to deal with the

immigration crisis. it's no different in america where it's really going to be difficult to talk about changing immigration policy or going back to freedom of movement if they don't deal with the crisis at hand. >> yeah. and final word to you, neil hamilton. if, say, europe does move more towards the right, would you still object to kind of joining, joining them, as it were . as it were. >> well, they won't want us to join. i mean , these countries join. i mean, these countries are moving in the same direction as we did over brexit, the same reasons we left brexit are causing the political changes that we're now seeing over the channel. they want more control of borders, which the eu, got rid of through the schengen agreement. and they want to see the centralisation of power in brussels removed and go back to the nation states. so i want to, of course, international cooperation with the other countries in the eu, as well as outside it. what i don't want is for us to be part of some kind of a federal union, which is what the eu bureaucrats in

brussels have been trying to move us towards for the last 50 or 60 years. so the nations of europe are waking up to the realities that we've confronted already. and so i very much welcome the political changes that are taking place on the continent of europe. now and i hope that we can create a looser union across the channel, and one which which we can trade freely. >> brilliant. neil hamilton, thank you very much, benedict spence. thank you so much. deputy leader of rejoin uk, richard morley and also chair of republicans overseas, greg svensson. thank you very much for joining me. thanks. nana forjoining me. thanks. nana right. you're with me. i'm nana akua. right. you're with me. i'm nana akua . this is a gb news. we're akua. this is a gb news. we're live on tv, online and on digital radio. coming up, we'll continue with our great british debate this hour. i'm asking, do you think that sir keir starmer will reverse brexit? you'll hear the thoughts of my panel . the thoughts of my panel. journalist and broadcaster danny kelly, also author and broadcaster christine hamilton. but first let's get your latest news headlines.

>> nana. thank you. the top stories the prime minister has told the palestinian president that recognising the state of palestine is part of a middle east peace process, is an undeniable right. sir keir starmer spoke to mahmoud abbas earlier today. he also spoke to his israeli counterpart, benjamin netanyahu, setting out the clear and urgent need for a ceasefire. labour's election manifesto committed the party to recognising a palestinian state as part of a process that results in a two state solution . results in a two state solution. the prime minister has begun a uk tour as he tries to reset the relationship between westminster and the devolved nations. sir keir starmer has been in edinburgh today where he's vowed that labour will deliver for scotland . the prime minister's scotland. the prime minister's two day trip will also take him to northern ireland and wales, likely contenders in the tory leadership battle are starting to emerge , using newspaper to emerge, using newspaper articles and interviews to say what they think went wrong. former home secretary suella braverman said rishi sunak had run an idiotic strategy and

needed to take a tougher line on reducing immigration. x immigration minister robert jenrick said failing to reduce numbers was our biggest and most damaging failure, and former health secretary victoria atkins said the country was still instinctively conservatives with labour's support spread very thinly, like margarine . suella thinly, like margarine. suella braverman says the tories are facing an existential threat from reform uk. the former home secretary told gb news they lost hundreds of brilliant conservative mps because of nigel farage's party. she's urging her fellow mps to decide what type of party they are and neutralise that threat . and some neutralise that threat. and some breaking news this hour. a man and a woman have been charged with murder after the death of a 14 year old girl in darlington . 14 year old girl in darlington. police and paramedics were called to an address shortly after 11:00 on friday night. the girl was pronounced dead at the scene. simon vickers and sarah hall , both from darlington, have

hall, both from darlington, have been charged. they are due in court tomorrow and those are the latest gb news headlines. for now i'm tatiana sanchez. more in half an hour for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code, or go to gbnews.com forward slash alerts . slash alerts. >> right. coming up in a clip of bait. right. there's a call about to call it a swan. again, it's not a swan. it's not a duck. it's actually a seagull going into a supermarket through the electric doors. what happens for next next is time the great british debate. the sound i'm asking, do you think sir

brexit? >> hello. good afternoon. >> hello. good afternoon. >> welcome aboard. if you just tuned in. where have you been? there's only 21 minutes to go. i'm nana akua this is gb news. we're live on tv , online and on we're live on tv, online and on digital radio. and it's time now for the great british debate this hour. and i'm asking, do you think sir keir starmer will reverse brexit? it's as the prime minister will reportedly reopen negotiations with the eu and apparently wants a more relaxed freedom of movement ruling. really? so for the great british debate this hour, i'm asking, do you think sir keir starmer will reverse brexit? do you trust him not to do that? let's see what my panel make of that. i'm joined by author and broadcaster christina hamilton and also journalist and broadcaster danny kelly. danny kelly. >> well, it was it was freedom of movement that basically caused the brexit result . so caused the brexit result. so people who remained, i'm speaking generally enjoyed the freedom of movement for them to travel and live abroad. and the people who voted brexit didn't enjoy the freedom of movement, where people from mostly eastern european countries. if you look at the highest brexit vote, was in the towns , the lincolnshire

in the towns, the lincolnshire towns like boston, 70 odd percent now they were affected by mass, eastern european immigration. so that tells you all you need to know. or were the eastern europeans just unlucky to move into a town mostly, populated by mad racists and xenophobes? of course not. it just shows that when you have mass, unfettered immigration, it causes an impact. >> well, it creates creates racism, of course. >> well, it does a cultural change that people aren't happy with. so so that's the impact of freedom of movement. in 2019, the lib dems campaigned. they were explicit if we get in, we will reverse article 50 and we will reverse article 50 and we will stop brexit. so they had 11 seats. there's not that appetite out there to stop brexit and reverse the european union . reverse the european union. otherwise everyone would have voted for the lib dems. they got 11 seats this time around. they've got about 60 or 70. he's not going to do it. he can't do it in five years. and if he does go in that , in that trajectory, go in that, in that trajectory, in that direction, he's got reform snapping at the heels. and that's why a lot of people are saying that this is a conservative labour party, because they're going very

right. and also one of your contributors, i think it was you nana europe is going to the right . exactly. europe's going right. exactly. europe's going to the right. the horse is bolted. you can't you can't rejoin something like that. >> christine. >> christine. >> no, 100. of course you can't. and it would be deeply undemocratic. this country voted to leave and we have left. we haven't done it very successfully, but we have basically left and there's no turning back. that's that. it wasn't just immigration, though. it was for a lot of people, me included . it was sovereignty. included. it was sovereignty. yeah. and it was getting our own sovereignty back so we could have our own rules, etcetera, etcetera . and we weren't judged etcetera. and we weren't judged by unelected, ruled by unelected judges , etc, etc. so no, i don't judges, etc, etc. so no, i don't i think it would be very , very i think it would be very, very foolish to try and do it, but i undoubtedly he will try and tinker at the edges, and i'm sure there are things that could be smoothed out, but i think if he starts to go against the democratic will of the country, he'll be in deep trouble. >> well, also, also the schengen is not really i mean , obviously is not really i mean, obviously we wouldn't be in schengen because we're not within that that thing, but it would be still freedom of movement. and with the current situation with migration and also all the

illegals crossing the borders and things like that, i don't think a lot of the, the trajectory is the other way around. europe are trying to close borders. yeah, within each other. >> and i was speaking to a latvian guy the other day and he was talking about freedom of movement. fabulous guy. he's beenin movement. fabulous guy. he's been in the united kingdom for 10 or 12 years, a great guy. and i asked him how many brits are in latvia. he didn't know the answer because he'd never seen one. same as poland, same as poland. how many brits have taken advantage of the freedom of movement and moved to poland ? of movement and moved to poland? this country is, if you like, is the mecca of europe in my opinion. you know , it's one of opinion. you know, it's one of the greatest countries on the planet. it's got the greatest football, it's got the greatest music, it's got the greatest culture. look at london. it's a fabulous it is a magnet. it's a draw. >> you just want to say something good about london most of the time. but from their perspective, no, but from, from from like an immigrant's perspective, it's mecca, it's the magnet. >> and that's why farage is right. you know, it's the exponential growth of population which hasn't been which hasn't been mirrored in certain other countries. so people want to

move here. people don't necessarily want to move to poland or latvia. >> of course they of course they want to come here. i mean, they're not mad to want to go somewhere else. they want to come here also because english is the lingua franca and it's the easiest language. it's the it's the main language of the world. so a lot of immigrants would be immigrants . world. so a lot of immigrants would be immigrants. half world. so a lot of immigrants would be immigrants . half the would be immigrants. half the half speak english anyway to start with. but they can't possibly do it. they, as i think it was danny who said or somebody said that they would have reform absolutely snapping at their heels. and the rest of europe doesn't want closer integration. france doesn't want closer integration, italy doesn't want closer integration. and let's see what's happening today as france goes to the polls and see where marine le pen goes, she doesn't want closer integration, so he'd be mad to try. >> well, that'd be fascinating to see what happens with france. but this show is nothing without you and your views. so let's welcome some of our great british voices, their opportunity to be on the show and tell us what they think about the topics we're discussing. i've got four of you. how amazing. right, julie? sure. julie in bridlington. julie, what do you think about this? do you trust took care not to reverse brexit? >> no, i don't trust him at all.

>> no, i don't trust him at all. >> far from accepting the view of the people, when the referendum, he was one of the most ardent protesters against it. >> and he was demanding a second referendum. germany's government have announced that they're in talks with keir starmer. as soon as he was elected about making moves closer to the eu for the uk, but i think he'll do it bit by bit. he won't dare just go all out and announce that he's going to do it. i think he'll take us in in little increments. that it is always said that we'd be better governed by, the eu and put their take their powers. yeah, but he'll do it in small steps. i won't be surprised if you don't put the failed theresa may facilitated, customs arrangement back on the table. do you think. >> do you think he might try? let's go to dan, dan, brian and hull. dan >> of course. hello >> of course. hello >> some would say that there's an argument to suggest that we haven't left the european union at all, given that we've still

got freedom of movement for everybody coming here, we're still part of their tax laws. we're still part of the european court of human rights, and we're still part of the european court of justice. we still have to abide by all these rules. so we simply do not have the brexit that people asked for. but then again, what did that brexit look like? how do we know what's been tinkered with around the edges as christine so eloquently put it? and also, if you have the other side of the argument, if he did want to take us back in, what would we going back into? >> because the eu looks like it's collapsing. >> well let's go to alan cook. alan. hi. nana >> well i think he's definitely going to try and take us back in, but it won't be via the front door. >> you know , blair brown and >> you know, blair brown and mandelson are famous for basically doing things via the back door . back door. >> and i think that's his only opfion >> and i think that's his only option at the moment. but i think our only hope really is going to be the fact that the hard left of the party, the corbynites , actually don't want

corbynites, actually don't want us to be involved with the eu because they can't create their communist utopia. >> if we're ruled by a foreign nation. >> let's go to mark sheridan in chester. mark >> yeah, i definitely agree with what's been said. he's going to reverse, but he's got to realise, as it's mentioned , realise, as it's mentioned, europe is no longer the same. and i think with the elections in france, you know, it's going to be harder for people to come to be harder for people to come to the uk because they'll they'll man their borders . and, they'll man their borders. and, you know, let's, let's face it, 17 million voted for brexit to control our borders. now he's coming out with these words of freedom, of movement. for all we know, he might stop the boats, the dinghies for safety. they might have labour cruise liners. >> well , well might have labour cruise liners. >> well, well i don't mind if they're if he's got cruise liners and they're sort of lining in the middle of the channel stopping people from coming any further , then i'd coming any further, then i'd accept that. julie shore, thank you very much. dan brian, alan cook and also mark sheridan. lovely to talk to you. those are my great british voices coming up. clickbait. have a look, have a listen . that is a seagull

a listen. that is a seagull going into a supermarket via the electric doors. what happens next? next though . supplement sunday, my panel and i discuss some of the

good afternoon. welcome to gb news. we're live on tv, online and on. on digital radio. now, here's something that caught my eye in clickbait. have a listen to this . so this is a seagull to this. so this is a seagull going into a supermarket via the electric doors. they've opened the automatic gates. he can't open it, but he waited for a passer by to go in and then flew in. he's clearly been observing for a while. he's now on the supermarket shelf and has pulled off a packet of sandwiches. he's pecking into the sandwiches as well , and pecking into the sandwiches as well, and then i think he goes back on the shelf for another one. yeah, and now he's pushing it towards the electronic doors .

it towards the electronic doors. he's actually pulled two off the shelf. now he's waiting by the door. shelf. now he's waiting by the door . for somebody to perhaps door. for somebody to perhaps step in front of it to activate it. and somebody stepped in front of it. activate it. he's now leaving the store with his sandwiches, but somebody is actually trying to chase him. chase him. take it off him. oh, what is this? let him have it. why? what's the point? you can't have it . so that's the seagull . have it. so that's the seagull. ingenious, isn't it? >> shoplifting is catching. >> shoplifting is catching. >> it seems to me you don't get arrested for it. right? well, let's move on now, because it's time for supplement sunday, where my panel and i discuss some of the news stories that caught their eye. danny, what have you got? >> well, you may remember a couple of weeks ago, there was a cow that was mowed down by a police car. it was on the loose. yeah caused caused a lot of division. and how people feel. feel about it. but anyway, so this is what happens if 45 cows escape and there's a snappy little headline about move out

of the way, cows stampede down suburban street in yorkshire town . so this young lad, 18 town. so this young lad, 18 years old, heard this commotion . years old, heard this commotion. 45 cows. oh, wow. not just 145 cows escaped a field and ran down this high street. and guess what? not one cow was injured. the cops, the local old bill helped round it up with the farmer. and that's how you do it. rather than just mowing down in a police marked four by 4 or 45 cows survived . they survived 45 cows survived. they survived another day. they're currently probably in an abattoir. the irony of it all. oh no, i know. yeah. so anyway, there's some great video of it, but the noise of the clatter of these hooves down the high street. brilliant. >> that's incredible. all right, christine, what have you got ? christine, what have you got? >> well, for those who don't know, there's a television series called midsomer murders which centres on homicides committed in the villages of the fictional county of mid summer and over its 140 episodes, there have been 388 murders, 423 deaths, etc, etc. anyway, in their wisdom, itv have now slapped a content warning on

this, saying that it may contain violence, may contain some crime scene images. i mean, if people watch something called midsomer murders, what the heck do they expect except murder crime scenes and also some partially naked autopsy scenes, bodies being autopsied, if that's the right, that's what you get if you watch that sort of thing. how woke do you? i mean, it's just this whole thing is just what? you don't like it? it's ridiculous. >> no, i found this, and this was somebody who tweeted and they said, dear reform racist, which is really out of order for black england players have just scored perfect penalties. if you're jumping up and down celebrating, then there's some swearing. okay, so this is this woman who's now i'll be honest, i didn't even know what colour the people were that scored the goal the people were that scored the goal. so i replied, the only racist is you. what has scoring a goal got to do with the colour of someone's skin? >> and did they reply to you, >> and did they reply to you, >> funnily enough, no . >> funnily enough, no. >> funnily enough, no. >> and was the author of the tweet black? >> no, i don't think so. >> no, i don't think so. >> no, i don't think so. >> no, it's just mental. it's just it's just isn't it? it's just it's just isn't it? it's just so lazy. the, the

conflation between racism and just the party that wants to keep an eye on the borders. it's just crazy. i'm sorry, but that woman is hardwired. she's mental. >> well, that's what we get from that. and obviously she's going to put things out on twitter like that or she's just going to expect. well, listen, on today's show, i've been asking, do you think that sir keir starmer will reverse brexit? according to our twitter poll, 60% of you say yes and 40% of you say no. and then i asked you whether you think keir starmer should be clocking off at 6 pm. on a friday. according to our twitter poll, 30% of you said yes, 70% of you say no, no, he shouldn't be interesting. well, i'm with you. i don't think he should. not specifically. at one time. you can clock off when you get spare time as and when i say thank you so much to my panel, broadcaster and journalist danny kelly. thank you very much, danny. thank you very much, danny. thank you very much, danny. thank you . and also to christina thank you. and also to christina hamilton, author, broadcaster. thank you. chris o'shea. >> as always and as ever. >> as always and as ever. >> thank you to you at home for your company. next up it's neil oliver. i'll leave you with the weather forecast. take care. have a fabulous week. i will see you on britain's newsroom on .

fri day. >> friday. >> looks like things are heating up . boxt boilers sponsors of up. boxt boilers sponsors of weather on gb news . weather on gb news. >> hello there. welcome to your latest gb news, weather forecast provided by the met office. we've had some showers around today and they'll be continuing on as we head into this afternoon and evening. some of them still on the sharp side for them still on the sharp side for the next few hours or so. so do just watch out for those. but they'll be easing their way off as we head into this evening and over night. quite clear skies for many of us, with a few mist and fog patches possible. and underneath those clear skies as well, temperatures will be dropping their way off quite a bit. a chilly night for the start of july. towns and cities still around 9 to 11 c, but rural spots perhaps even as low as 3 to 5 c. so nippy to start off the new working week. but for many of us, particularly the northern half of the uk, it will be quite a bright start to the new working week away from the far north of scotland, where

there will be a bit more cloud around some outbreaks of rain and drizzle in there, but certainly for much of scotland, northern ireland, northern england there will be some sunshine to kick off the day. a few showers eventually developing as we head into the latter stages of the morning and the afternoon in the south, though, we are going to be watching as this rain slowly pushes its way in, it will be turning quite bleak and gloomy for southern areas of england and eventually into southern wales as well later on, and the rain will slowly push its way in from the south, with some brisk winds developing perhaps 3035 mile an hour. gusts along the southern coast of england later on into the afternoon . feeling on into the afternoon. feeling quite cool underneath that persistent cloud and rain temperatures perhaps not climbing as as much as 15 or 16 c, but further north, where we see the sunshine, actually might see 2020 one degrees celsius. that's more around where we should be for this stage of the year. the rain in the south is all due to this area of low pressure that is sweeping its way in from the southwest. it is going to make very slow progress northwards as we head throughout the end of monday and eventually into tuesday, but it will be eventually moving its way into

wales. and then as we move into the overnight period, northern england, northern ireland and potentially scotland later on. so certainly from tuesday onwards it's looking at more widely unsettled with rain and showers for many of us, perhaps a little bit drier as we head towards the end of the week. first day onwards by by that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers sponsors of weather on gb

middle east peace process is undeniable, right? sir keir starmer spoke to mahmoud abbas earlier today. he also spoke to his israeli counterpart, benjamin netanyahu, setting out the clear and urgent

need for a ceasefire. labour's election manifesto committed the party to recognising a palestinian state as part of a process that results in a two state solution . meanwhile, the state solution. meanwhile, the prime minister has begun a uk tour as he tries to reset the relationship between westminster and the devolved nations. sir keir starmer has been in edinburgh, where he's vowed that labour will deliver for scotland. sir keir says he'll use his talks with first minister john swinney to set the framework within which we can work better for scotland . the work better for scotland. the home secretary has set out the first steps to establishing a new uk border security command to strengthen britain's borders and tackle criminal smuggling gangs. rapid recruitment for a leader used to working in challenging environments, such as the levels of policing, intelligence or the military, will kick off tomorrow with the new recruit expected to take up their post in the coming weeks. yvette cooper says a major upgrade in law enforcement is needed to stop illegal channel crossings

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