>>a >> a very, very good evening to you . welcome to gbn. tonight you. welcome to gbn. tonight with me. martin daubney. here's a site that many from the left, and probably more so in the tory party, wished they'd never seen. yes, it's nigel farage in parliament. we'll hear his first speech from the green seats and elsewhere. tony blair has poked his oar in once again, this time on immigration. we'll be asking, is he back for good? did he ever go away? and as keir starmer avoids the subject of labour losing out on the muslim vote in the general election, we'll discuss if this is a big issue

for the . for the. party. and of course, we'll also go live to germany ahead of tomorrow night's epic euro semi—final clash against holland, and we're joined by brexit negotiator lord frost, who discussed the future of the conservative party. loads to get in touch about there. get in touch your usual ways on tonight's topics by going to gbnews.com/yoursay. but before all of that, it's your headlines with polly middlehurst . with polly middlehurst. >> martin, thank you and good evening to you. well, within the last half an hour, sir keir starmer, the prime minister, has set out his message ahead of attending the 75th nato summit in washington, saying he remains committed to increasing defence spending to 2.5% of gdp and will do so following a defence review. he added labour's

planning also to conduct a review of britain's defence capability . capability. >> my message is very, very clear that this nato summit is an opportunity for allies to stand together to strengthen their resolve, particularly in light of that appalling attack against russian aggression. i am pleased to have the early opportunity to affirm and reaffirm labour's strong support, unshakeable support for nato. we're a founding member. it's now the 75th anniversary, but this is an opportunity to send that message in relation to russian aggression wherever. but that attack last week was appalling. and so the message is even more important now than it was before. >> and general sir patrick, prime minister, on his way to the nato summit in washington, and, of course, a busy day in parliament for him as well as mps, were sworn in as labour ministers, sitting on the government front benches for the first time in 14 years, 643 mps gathering ahead of parliament's

state opening, which is scheduled for next week. and sir keir starmer, speaking for the first time at the despatch box as prime minister. >> now, as in any new parliament, we have the opportunity and the responsibility to put an end to a politics that has too often seemed self—serving and self—obsessed, and to replace that politics of performance with the politics of service. because service is a precondition for hope and trust , precondition for hope and trust, and the need to restore trust should weigh heavily on every member here, new and returning alike, we all have a duty to show that politics can be a force for good. so whatever our political differences, it's now time to turn the page unite in a common endeavour of national renewal, and make this new parliament a parliament of service . service. >> well, in response to that,

rishi sunak , now the leader of rishi sunak, now the leader of the opposition, congratulated sir keir. >> can i start by congratulating the prime minister on his election victory? and as he takes on his formidable task, he and his family deserve the good wishes of all of us in this house. now, in our politics, we can argue vigorously as the prime minister and i did over the past six weeks, but still respect each other and whatever disputes we may have in this parliament. i know that everyone in this house will not lose sight of the fact that we are all motivated by our desire to serve our constituents, our country, and advance the principles that we honourably believe in. >> rishi sunak , now the leader >> rishi sunak, now the leader of the opposition. now, in other news, today, pay negotiations between england's junior doctors and the new government have ended with representatives of the british medical association saying the talks were constructive. 11 strikes over 20 months have caused widespread disruption to the national health service , with the health health service, with the health secretary wes streeting previously saying he wouldn't agree to demands for a 35% pay

rise. but bma negotiators did sound positive at the end of today's talks when they emerged. three asylum seekers have ended their high court legal action after the government scrapped the rwanda deportation scheme. lawyers for the migrants, who can't be named, were told today that the cases would no longer proceed to court, according to the home office. their legal costs will now be covered by the taxpayer and that comes after the home secretary, yvette coopen the home secretary, yvette cooper, branded the rwanda policy a con . meanwhile, just a policy a con. meanwhile, just a day after the first channel migrants arrived since labour came to power, more small boats were crossing the english channel today. gb news can confirm 300 illegal migrants were picked up from the channel four border force vessels and a lifeboat taking them to a migrant processing centre in dover harbour. at least six dinghies made the crossing despite worsening weather conditions . labour has vowed to conditions. labour has vowed to end the small boat crossings by going after the criminal gangs

which organised them . and that's which organised them. and that's the latest gb news. for now. i'm polly middlehurst. i'm back in an hour. see you then for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code, or go to gbnews.com forward slash alerts . slash alerts. >> thank you very much, polly. now welcome to gb news tonight with me martin daubney. well it's finally, finally happened. yes, nigel farage has entered the house of commons as an mp and here is the moment he took his seat in the chamber as the member of parliament for clacton. earlier this afternoon. >> i now called the leader of reform uk, nigel farage. >> you, mr speaker elect, thank you very much indeed. we are the new kids on the block. we have no experience in this parliament

whatsoever, even though some of us have tried many times over the years previously to get here. so we can't judge you from working in this place, but we can judge you from the way the outside world sees you. and i don't just mean the united kingdom, i mean the world because prime ministers questions time is global. box office politics, and it's pretty clear to everybody that you act with great neutrality that you have brought tremendous dignity to the role as speaker. so we absolutely endorse you entirely for this job. and it is , i must for this job. and it is, i must say, in marked contrast to the little man that was there before you and besmirched the office so dreadfully in doing his best to overturn the biggest democratic result in the history of the country. we support you, sir. fully. >> well, it's day one and nigel farage is banging on about brexit and having a pop at john

bercow. long may it continue. many may say, and also a mixture there of groans and cheers when he stood up. that's a noise. i think they better get used to now. elsewhere, former prime minister tony blair has urged sir keir starmer to get a grip on immigration to stop the rise of populists, as he calls them this morning on radio four, he defended his record on immigration in a terse back and forth with nick robinson. >> but you see people listening to you on immigration who say, well, hold on, what blair is saying is do as i say, not as i did. you massively increased illegal immigration into this country. this is a prime minister without a mandate. this is a great myth by the way. >> and so just to be very clear about it, immigration. the day i left office was around half of what it is today. now it's true because we did not. what happens is people conflate the fact that we didn't put in these transitional arrangements. you allow people to come here from eastern europe, where the germans, for example, did not. right. but by the way, when you actually study it very carefully, first of all, these

people had an enormous economic benefit in the country. >> and by the way, we only played back your suggestion that we need to control immigration, when in fact, under you net annual immigration quadrupled and the uk population was boosted by more than 2.2 million, quadrupled, by the way, through 97 and 2010. no. >> well, 2010, 1997, two thousand and seven. when i left office. as i say, it was actually under half right . but actually under half right. but let's just be very clear about this. first of all, there's lots you could have done to have controlled that eastern european immigration, even within freedom of movement . of movement. >> our beautiful let's do a fact check because there was tony blair denying immigration had quadrupled during his time in government. well, i'm pleased to say that our dear former prime minister is totally and utterly wrong . in fact, immigration went wrong. in fact, immigration went up five times during his time in office between 1997 and 2010. the new labour years net migration averaged 200,000 per yean migration averaged 200,000 per year, five times higher than under the john major government

of 1990 to 1996. now, foreign migration between 1997 and 2010 was 3.6 million, while nearly a million british citizens emigrated, giving a total net migration of 2.7 million. that's, of course, the equivalent of a migrant arriving every single minute. now that paved the way for the conservative government to allow nearly that amount into the uk between 2022 and 2023. well joining me now is out, mehmet, the chairman of migration watch and the former labour advisor scarlett mccgwire, welcome to you both alp. let's go. first. it's always a joy to fact check tony blair and to prove him completely and utterly wrong. don't you think it's a tad rich for tony blair to be back from the dead, as it were, and advising keir starmer on immigration to keep the populists out when his own record was dismal . record was dismal. >> look, i think that what tony blair was actually saying, keir,

get a grip. because if you don't, what happened to rishi sunak last week is going to happen to you in five years time. and he's absolutely right. you know, he's not completely right when he says that it was all a good thing. hi migration because consistently there was research after research and there has been research after research between 1995 and a 2011 migration overall was a net cost to the exchequer of £118 billion. that was university college london, that that came up with that figure. the problem was that it all got totally out of control and it was being encouraged. emigration, a low skilled migration in particular, was being encouraged at a time when it needn't have been scarlett mccgwire. >> tony blair is right on one thing, though , isn't he? and

thing, though, isn't he? and that's if the conservative party, if the labour party, if all the parliament doesn't get a grip on this, then nigel farage, i'll get there are only five, the infamous five, but they're making a big noise on this and blair's right. if keir starmer doesn't get a grip on this, it will allow surely the same mistakes to happen again. and that will allow the reform party, perhaps, to gain a bigger foothold moving forward. yeah. >> i mean, what tony blair was quite clear about is, is that the reform party exploits it . right? >> and he, he, he actually believes that that immigration is quite a good thing, as he made clear that actually the reason i mean, we're talking about legal immigration, okay? we're talking about people who are asked to come here. we've talked about both today. well well, well, well, i mean, what i'm what i mean, i think we need to we need to talk about the boats and the refugees. but actually, i think it's really, really important that that these

people have been given jobs because they have the skills. and one of the reasons is that we are not skilling people. and keir has said right from the beginning, actually, that what we need to do is we need to upskill the british force, labour force. so this is this is from doctors where we have far too many. we go abroad and we take trained doctors from third world countries and bring them out here, which is wrong. >> what's that got to do with controlling immigration? coming in separate issue an important one. no, no upskilling british workers. but if you get a huge glut of unskilled workers, that was tony blair's legacy, especially when countries came in. >> i'm talking about now, martin, i'm talking about now . martin, i'm talking about now. now you have to have a visa to come in. what i'm saying is that now the people who are coming in are basically skilled workers. and what we need to do is we need to have far more skilled british people, and we need to. it is utterly wrong, and it is a failure that we have so many

people who are as neets not in employment, education or training that actually these these people are being left on these people are being left on the scrapheap. they're quite young and actually, we need to train them. and then we wouldn't have we wouldn't be crying out for foreign doctors, foreign nurses. that's what we're talking about. >> is that true ? >> is that true? >> is that true? >> well, how can i disagree with scarlett? she. she's always right , but i scarlett? she. she's always right, but i think slightly misses the point, though , misses the point, though, because the people who are coming here and i blame the tories for this, they come in the skill levels that were required of them. the new points based system actually lowered the skill levels, lowered the earnings thresholds and effectively handed over responsibility for recruitment to employers. that, i'm afraid, is a recipe for disaster. millions of people over the next

5 to 10 years will come in. if these rules remain as they are, and immigration of three quarters of a million net a yean quarters of a million net a year, it doesn't matter how many good doctors you get and how many good engineers and, you know, class acts, you get in. the fact is that at that sort of level, it's a disaster. it's an absolute disaster for all of us and those who say but immigration, it adds to gdp. it grows the economy. yes, but what it doesn't do is add to the wealth of individuals. the gdp per head. that's why we've got to get a grip. but what i'm saying is that we need to train these people. >> you say it doesn't matter how many engineers. i'm saying let's train the engineers. let's train the doctors. i spent a lot of time in hospitals over the last two years. i have barely seen a british doctor or nurse. right. it is . absolutely. it is. absolutely. >> but why? why? scarlett because we're not cheaper. and

because population, the doctor population is growing to such an extent, at such a speed that we need to draft people in. and a lot of our doctors are, in fact, taking flight and going to places where conditions are better and pay is better. so i think it's appalling that we're actually bringing people in from countries that need them a great deal more than we do and have spent money training them. >> and so we need better. we need far more. we need to train people better. i mean, that's that's what that's what we need to do is let's not blame the people who come over. we should be very grateful that they're coming over now. the next thing is we're doing we're doing the top people. let's look at scarlett. i haven't blamed no, i know you haven't a migrant. i know you haven't a migrant. i know you haven't a migrant. i know you haven't. but let's let's not addressing also, let's look at the caring profession. >> if i may interject 100,000. it's all fair to say let's train british people to be competitive . british people to be competitive. what about where do all these people live? where do they all

go to school? where do they get a doctor's appointment? the strain they place on public services out there, it's not just a simple case of they come here and they work. they need to be taken care of by the system to the nhs , schools, dentists, to the nhs, schools, dentists, roads, everything and those who come in and earn levels of pay that actually fall well below the point at which they start contributing. >> there's a hell of a lot and all the care workers that come in, you know, where are they going to live ? what are we going going to live? what are we going to do? earn? >> what are we going to do about? what are we going to do about? what are we going to do about care workers? we have a we have 100,000. >> pay them more . >> pay them more. >> pay them more. >> well, great. pay them. wonderful. we've just had a government that has that great. i can't think of it. >> and train them better labour bars uses too good for that. better pay for workers. yeah now it's now it's less pay for foreign workers. >> no i'm not what i'm saying. i martin, please don't. don't do this to me . this to me. >> that's what happened until very recently. it was perfectly

legal to pay 20% below the british market rate for nhs, nhs workers or care workers to come to britain. they only got changed about nine months ago, right. >> what i'm saying is, is that actually while we have care, we need 100,000 care. care workers. care workers are absolutely essential. they look after our old people. they look after our long term sick people like me. they look after people like you. and we'll look after people like me. very soon. and actually, you know, we can't. and they don't get it would be great if they got paid more, right? absolutely fantastic. they also get old in time themselves. >> i mean, every immigrant that comes here also gets old. they will also be i know , but martin, will also be i know, but martin, let's let's not later on let's magically not get old. >> let's not pick on immigrants . >> let's not pick on immigrants. let's try and say that what we that as long as there are really important jobs to be done in britain that are not being done by the british, we have to have immigrants. that's all i'm saying. let's not blame the

immigrants for that. let's not blame the immigrants for the fact that british people aren't very good at picking potatoes or picking fruit or all of that stuff. >> how do you think we got for by millennia? do you think our fruit fruit just picked itself or pixies came along in the night? british people used to do it . what changed? if you go to it. what changed? if you go to farms and speak to landowners , farms and speak to landowners, as i've done, is they had a huge glut of cheap overseas labour who were prepared to live in caravans for months at a time and earn, you know, pack wages, which is basically the minimum wage or below in the united kingdom. and they were paying rent. the farmers wanted huge amounts of cheap labour because we weren't we wanted cheap food. >> that was the that was the other side of it is we wanted cheap food. is that actually it's a very, very difficult deal to be done. we want care homes where we can afford to send our old people and, and where councils can afford to send old people , and that means wages, people, and that means wages, right. and we want food that we can afford to eat. >> now, look , let's let's just >> now, look, let's let's just boil it to down what mass

immigration means. >> we're at the moment nearly 700,000. and i think it's probably more than that. but let's keep to 700,000 net migration. if it falls to 600,000 and it consistently stays there , by the time we get stays there, by the time we get to the end of the 2040s, there'll be 20 million more people added to our population, 20 million. that's what the problem is, not whether or not we can pay enough for people to look after the old and the needy. >> so what's your solution ? >> so what's your solution? >> so what's your solution? >> my solution? my solution is actually to first and foremost reduce immigration. you can reduce immigration. you can reduce it . the may reduce immigration. you can reduce it. the may home reduce immigration. you can reduce it . the may home office reduce it. the may home office actually showed it how it how it could be done . they put a cap on could be done. they put a cap on skilled workers and that worked extremely well . we can put a cap extremely well. we can put a cap on other areas as well. what we

must do is reduce immigration and reduce it quickly . lots of and reduce it quickly. lots of immigration. that doesn't mean to say that we're not going to have immigrants coming in for whatever we want them , but we whatever we want them, but we must reduce the overall number and do it quickly, and we must keep our scarlet. >> we could talk about this all night, but we have to move on, stick around, because coming up, we'll discuss if labour has a problem when it comes to attracting the muslim vote. after some shocking results at last week's general election. morsi. yes, that.

welcome back. well, before the break, we were discussing tony blair's record on migration. here's what you had to say. robert said this. no. now, look, we'll stop taking foreign doctors and still take low skilled people. anthony adds this. if immigration was was a benefit, why is the economy in such a mess? peter as this we

don't want migration, legal or illegal. we want expats where the employer pays salary, rent, health and travel. well, thanks for those opinions. welcome back to gbn tonight i'm martin daubney now. while labour mps may pat each other on the backs for their thumping majority in last thursday's general election, is there a storm brewing on the horizon? because, according to electoral data , according to electoral data, labour lost more than half a million votes in regions with the highest muslim populations of the uk. with the party's attack dog jonathan ashworth, even losing his leicester south seat over local backlash to the party's stance on gaza. well, prime minister keir starmer was asked yesterday if this growing trend is a concern for him and his party, and here's what he had to say . had to say. >> prime minister, you secured a significant landslide at the general election. but in areas where there's a high muslim population, labour either lost seats or had their vote share

slashed. do you accept that there's a problem with the relationship between the labour party and british muslims at the moment? well, the first thing i'd say is this that very many people voted labour in that general election who've never voted labour before. >> so we now hold seats in parts of the country that have never had a labour mp. so this is an incredibly strong mandate, of course, wherever we weren't able to secure votes, i'm concerned about that. >> what about the issue with british muslims? trust is clearly broken down there. the election results show that. what are you going to do to try and rebuild it? >> well, we've got a strong mandate, of course, where we didn't secure the votes. we'll address that. but i don't think there's any disputing the strength of the mandate that we have and that it's a mandate for change, for renewal and for politics as public service. >> i'm not sure. sir keir starmer answered the question there. but joining me now to discuss this is mohamed amin, former chairman of the

conservative muslim forum and a liberal democrat member since october 2019. welcome to the show , mr amin. okay, so the show, mr amin. okay, so the labour party lost five seats at this election to pro gaza, independent candidates who fought on a ticket of gaza. nigel farage has been saying for some time now, sectarian politics is rearing its ugly headin politics is rearing its ugly head in the united kingdom. did this general election prove his point ? point? >> good evening martin. the result of the general election clearly shows that a significant number of muslim voters in the uk feel so strongly about what's happening in gaza and feel so strongly about the missteps that keir starmer had, particularly early on his catastrophic interview on lbc , where he said interview on lbc, where he said it was okay for israel to cut off food, water, electricity and then took 12 days before making it clear that israel had to

abide by international humanitarian law. he's had a number of missteps, and that's what's resulted in the decline of support amongst many british muslims. >> we've seen some very we've seen some very, very disturbing sights and scenes, though, on that campaign trail, jonathan ashworth, who lost his seat in leicester south to east 22,000, majority overhauled. he was going to be surely one of the one of the cabinet in the labour government. he was harangued and harassed on the streets and jess phillips, a labour mp, when she was giving her declaration, she was giving her declaration, she was booed , harangued by a very, was booed, harangued by a very, very raucous mob inside that hall. there's been a lot of criticism , mohamed amin, that criticism, mohamed amin, that the modus operandi not just the result, is very, very concerning. >> it is very concerning . i >> it is very concerning. i condemn it unequivocally. behaviour like that has no place in british politics or british pubuc in british politics or british public life at all, and it is

utterly deplorable, no doubt about that. emotions can run high, but you still have to behave in a civil manner. what you express your emotions by the cross you put on the ballot papeh >> yeah. and yet we've seen, you know , david amess obviously was know, david amess obviously was was murdered. we've seen a conservative mp had his office firebombed, forced out of politics. we've had these sort of threats. and look at batley , of threats. and look at batley, batley, a place i went to in the town square at a free speech rally when that after the batley grammar school teacher still to this day, three years in hiding, that seat went to a local independent, a pro gaza independent, a pro gaza independent called iqbal mohammed, defending a pro—war, a attacking sort of the pro—war, racist elites and saying that was for gaza. and yet the entire political establishment was silent about the batley grammar school teacher in that area.

>> sadly, over the last ten, 15 years, a lot of our public life has been poisoned by extreme emotions from all parts of the political spectrum. we saw it in scotland with the behaviour of many people in the scottish independence referendum and the immediate aftermath, with independent supporters being viciously nasty about union union supporters. we saw it in 2016 during brexit, when we had an mp murdered by a brexit extremist. we see it from all parts of the political spectrum andifs parts of the political spectrum and it's wrong. whether it's done by a muslim, by a scottish independence supporter or by a white nationalist. brexit brexit supporter. >> yeah, but but but if you look at the direction of travel, mohammed, i mean since october the 7th, the huge majority of abuse that's been happening on the streets has been from pro—palestine protesters, from

people who support the goals of , people who support the goals of, movement. you must you must admit there's been a massive surge in antisemitism. the direction of travel is these kind of independence, these kind of politics is becoming increasingly fractious. it's wrong wherever it comes from. >> since october the 7th, we've seen a lot of that from british muslims. we've also seen it from other british people who are equally outraged about gaza . the equally outraged about gaza. the rise of anti—semitism comes from some british muslims. it comes from people in the far right. there's been a massive spike in anti—semitism as well as anti—muslim hatred since october. the seventh. these kinds of overseas events have enormous potential to damage community harmony in this country from all parts of our society , and we need to stand up society, and we need to stand up against it quickly. >> mohammed . i mean, do you >> mohammed. i mean, do you think this kind of sectarian politics is here to stay? can we see people increasingly voting along religious lines in britain ? along religious lines in britain? >> i don't think so. i think

taking labour specific problem first, i think this problem is going to go away . already we've going to go away. already we've seen a change in tone from this government compared with the previous government. i've listened to. i've read some of the stories . after keir the stories. after keir starmer's telephone call with the israeli prime minister, benjamin netanyahu, where he stressed the importance of a two state solution, something that netanyahu himself is strongly opposed to. it's quite clear that this labour government will be very supportive of international law , and if the international law, and if the international criminal court does hand down an indictment against netanyahu, which hasn't happened yet , the warrants have happened yet, the warrants have been applied for, but they've not yet been granted. the government has made it quite clear that international law should take its course, and i would expect the emotions and this issue to die down very quickly. >> okay. well, let's hope that happens. mohammed amin, former chairman of the conservative muslim forum and a liberal democrat member since october 2019, thank you very much for

joining us on gbn tonight. 2019, thank you very much for joining us on gbn tonight . now, joining us on gbn tonight. now, still to come with just over 24 hours to go before england's epic clash with the netherlands, we'll go live from with all the

welcome back. 735. now we are just over 24 hours away from england's euro semi—final clash with the netherlands. but before that, however, spain and france fight it out tonight for a place in sunday's final. that's at 8 pm. now let's cross to dortmund p.m. now let's cross to dortmund now. speak to gb news reporter jack carson jack carson . you're jack carson jack carson. you're in the fan zone. earlier on, the boys are looking suitably refreshed. what's the mood on the ground ? the ground? >> well, they've continued to be quite refreshed for the last few hours, martin. i mean , there was hours, martin. i mean, there was one point, i think the dutch and the england fans have been playing a game of who can boot the ball to each other. the hardest. for about two hours,

the german police tried to take the german police tried to take the ball off them twice. they just kept going into the sports shop, down the street, martin, and buy another ball. so the german police have had no luck there. but let me just show you a little bit of the square where we are here in dortmund. if we just bring you round here, we can see you where some of the holland fans are. of course, they've been chanting and singing away, bouncing away. they're enjoying their own refreshments ready for this semi—final. and if we bring you back here, you can probably see some of the england fans, some of the england, flags as well here that are getting ready, some england fans a bit jubilant, already ready for that semi—final. and of course, just to really describe probably in the best way, how the mood is here on the ground, how excited some of the england fans are. we tried to have a sit down with england fan george, but he maybe had a few other ideas. take a look who's asking the questions tonight ? tonight? >> so as i walk through the streets of dusseldorf and we go all the way back through, we see the gallery here and, all the dutch fans over here. follow me,

follow me, follow me. there's a statue here, and jack's over there. but it is what it is. you know, you're enjoying yourself because that's what i do. i'm entertainment. so we're here in dortmund , saint olivia, it's dortmund, saint olivia, it's a fantastic place. you're a fantastic place. you're a fantastic guy . the dutch. hello . fantastic guy. the dutch. hello. hey, i love gold . so no joke. hey, i love gold. so no joke. >> so . >> so. >> so. >> gonna make a change for once in my life. my way to gold. he's wearing his. get all these guys. everyone's involved. yeah . everyone's involved. yeah. >> so there we go. a bit of michael jackson for you from from that england fan, george, but just shows you how much of a good mood, really and good vibe.

this whole square is here where you've got the dutch fans, you've got the dutch fans, you've got the england fans all having a great time together ahead of that semi—final, which is going to be competitive. gareth southgate and harry kane were in their press conference a little bit earlier on today, both talking about, of course, the pressure that england has faced, the pressure that's on them right now. i mean, harry kane was talking a lot about, you know, the pressure and the but the experience with that pressure that they've now had, i mean under gareth southgate of course they've reached, you know 2 or 3 semi finals now, you know, their second semi—final at the european championships in a row. so they know really what this feeling is of course there is a lot of still half the squad has never played in a major tournament before. so harry kane talking about how those players are using that pressure in their own ways. but you know, gareth southgate admitting that there's been a lot of, you know, maybe criticism on him, but also of course, you know, that they felt maybe that this year there's probably been as much pressure on them, maybe from outside, of course, the camp and maybe that just helps. i mean, they didn't get off the ground, maybe as quickly as they'd like to have

done, but said that, you know, last performance in the quarterfinals, that was probably england's best performance so far. we seem like we're finally getting into this tournament. these england fans and these dutch fans here are certainly getting into the mood. all set for 24 hours time. martin >> well, jack carson and that's a report with added flair. in fact, an orange flare has just gone off behind you there. but tell me , how expectant are all tell me, how expectant are all the fans that we can actually get this job done in normal time? surely? jack carson we cannot have any more last minute heart attacks, and we cannot have any more penalties. >> well, what england fan did actually say one one straight to penalties, but i don't know how he's that confident. i mean to be honest, you know, there's a lot of england fans that are hopeful that maybe we actually will be able to play a better game against the dutch because of how open they want to play. of course, gareth southgate moved to that three at the back, didn't he? with the wing backs, the big questions for him. does luke shaw come back into that side? he admitted in the press conference today that that means england have a little bit more balance. and of course mark gay, who's probably been england's

one of one of england's best defenders at the major tournaments so far. he was suspended. so konsa came in who equally performed as well as him. so he's got a tough few selections there. and of course, the likes of cody gakpo for the netherlands are one of the top scorers in this tournament. so how do we keep him quiet? but i think here on the ground, certainly from the england fans that i've spoken to, they are quietly confident that tomorrow might be a bit of an easier win and now all they've got to do jack carson is stay sober and stay awake. >> no mean feat when you've been out in germany that long. jack carson you stay safe there in dortmund and we'll speak to you no doubt tomorrow. top man now coming up as the tories try to rebuild in the wake of a devastating general election defeat, the popular conservative group argues it's time to return to real conservative principles. we'll asking former brexit lord frost if it's too

next. welcome back. it's a 7:45 now. in the aftermath of a colossal

electoral defeat, the conservative party is now faced with the difficult task of rebuilding. well, today, the popular conservative group of mps think tankers and politicos met for the first time since that election to discuss exactly how to do that. now, one of their top members, former brexit negotiator lord frost, who is at the heart of those discussions, is here with me this evening. welcome to the show, lord frost. so the pop cons, when they launched, that was the vehicle for liz truss, liz truss, of course lost her seat. so what next for the pop cons? what next for the conservative party? >> well i popcorn i think was of his time a lot has happened since earlier this year. it's now a forum for discussion i think, and it was a good discussion today and everybody is just setting out the stall, beginning to think about what where we go after this, this defeat. >> and i, i set out my view, which is that we must unite around conservative principles.

>> we don't need to tilt left. we mustn't tilt to a segment of the right. we need broad conservative principles , which i conservative principles, which i think command broad agreement in the country or can i became a brexit party mep because the conservative party wasn't being conservative enough on brexit. >> and today nigel farage waltzed into the commons and he would say that the reform party only exists because the conservative party once again wasn't being conservative enough , wasn't being conservative enough, particularly on immigration. the runners and the riders to be the next leader, robert jenrick, was on the channel yesterday. he was saying there's no place for nigel farage in the party. suella braverman, however, has a very different message still a divided party. >> well, i think there are different tactical approaches, but the important thing is to reunite the right and i think if we, the conservative party, can unite around properly conservative principles and principles that those who voted for reform recognise as

conservative, then we can start to reoccupy that ground. you're absolutely right that the reason the reform party exists is because we allowed them to. we vacated that turf and allowed a competitor, and you don't win elections when that happens. >> can the conservative party be unified around this issue? we've seen all the way back from europe, net zero on taxation, on immigration. it seems to be two parties, the kind of wets the liberals who many think maybe they'd be better off being liberal democrats. and then an actual rump of actual conservatives . how do you move conservatives. how do you move forward when you still have this this schism within the party? >> well, i'm not sure it's as great as that, to be honest. i think there's definitely a fringe on the left that is for sure, of the party. but i think there would be broad agreement around conservative principles, national independence , free national independence, free markets, getting the government off people's backs , controlling off people's backs, controlling migration, giving the government power to govern, fighting the

culture war. those are all things that i think most people in the party would agree with. the important thing is to have confidence in them, project them as arguments, and show that they are the best ideas for dealing with the country's problems . and with the country's problems. and unfortunately, we've got 4 or 5 years to do that. >> okay, i'm also joined in the studio by jacob rees—mogg, state of the nation is next. i'd like to have your thoughts on this. i still think there is this problem about what to do about that reform issue. it's got eviscerated a certain amount of the vote share coming second in a lot of seats. what do you do about farage? >> well, it's not necessarily about the individual, though. nigel is such an able , talented nigel is such an able, talented politician. it's about the policies that nigel wouldn't have needed the vehicle of reform if the tories had got on with brexit properly, if we hadnt with brexit properly, if we hadn't raised taxes to their highest level in 70 years, and we dealt with immigration, if we can do that and we can convince people that we're serious about that, then the tory family comes back together naturally. i think there's this idea that you just

sort of try and, kidnap nigel, bnng sort of try and, kidnap nigel, bring him into the tory party, and then all the problems are solved. but they're not, because unless you change the underlying policies and get the message that we're on the side of the voters, it won't change. there'll be another nigel who will emerge if we can't get that right. and we need to be concerned about what makes people's lives better. what are voters concerned about? and i'm afraid we got very out of touch in the last parliament. >> so, jacob, in short, in absence of kidnapping nigel farage, which i know you'd never advocate for, let's talk about the potential replacement, the potential future leader. how long that process may take. and who do you think lord frost would be the best front person, the best new leader of the conservative party to deliver those kind of policies? you were talking about? >> well, i think we should give ourselves time . i think it might ourselves time. i think it might be a good idea to have a caretaker, an interim leader, to give ourselves enough time. but the important thing is to have time to discuss. of course, i'm

not an mp . i only get a vote as not an mp. i only get a vote as a party member, and it's for mps to determine these things. but i do think we need time to discuss. we know who the runners and riders are. i hope it will be somebody who believes in conservative principles can cut through the political argument and represent them and kind of convince people they believe in them. and i think there are a number of people who could do that, and we'll have to see who goes forward. you're being coy there. yeah, i think it's too soon to talk about individuals. we don't know the terms of the race yet. we don't know who's fully in the field. we need to hear all of them being in opposition is different to being in government. the skills that are needed are different. the ability to cut through the media, get a hearing is very important. we need to allow time for that to, to, to all happen and jacob, you talked about the membership there rather than the party itself. >> having deciding the outcome of this. perhaps if that happened before rishi sunak may not have been in control. how

democratic would you like this to be moving forward? >> oh, the members must maintain their vote. it would be terrible to take it away from them. it's the mps who bungled. the mps who got rid of boris. wasn't the members the members gave us bofis members the members gave us boris as the most charismatic leader of the tory party, has had since margaret thatcher. he won election a majority of 80 and then a few small minded, rather selfish mps cobbled together to get rid of him. and that can't be blamed on the members . members. >> but boris, he can't be the comeback kid on this instance, can he? >> i don't see a route for that to happen. no, but if you're talking about who should decide, always trust the people . always trust the people. >> can i ask you about tony blair, who seems to have hoved back into view today, and in particular lord frost, about the direction of travel on brexit. we had an individual in david lammy who called the erg worse than nazis . that was one of when than nazis. that was one of when i was chairman. when you were

the chair which wasn't a nice thing to have heard of a sunday morning. now this guy has got the red rose between his teeth, doing a charm offensive around poland, sweden, germany. are you fearful, lord frost, that we could be edging back towards much closer alignment or even even rejoining the european union? >> i mean, i am fearful that they want to take us back closer. i don't think they can rejoin imminently, though i'm sure that the leadership of the labour party would like to, if they got the chance. but i do wonder whether labour have really thought this through. i they talk very glibly about, you know, kind of smoothing the edges off the deal, getting closer to the eu. you always have to pay for doing that. and it's very easy to wander around europe getting warm words from the member states, it's the commission that represents the eu's interests. they're tough negotiators. and if you want to change things, you're going to have to accept eu court, eu law, subordination to eu foreign policy. i don't know whether

labour really get that yet. >> and you sat at the same table as michel barnier, a formidable negotiator, and he has said repeatedly the price of tinkering with the deal is freedom of movement. do you think the labour party understand that? do you think the labour party actually don't even mind if we get that? >> i'm sure many of them wouldn't mind that much if they got that. i don't think they really believe in controlling migration. they can just see that it's a really difficult political issue for them, and a lot of their, their voting base . lot of their, their voting base. i don't think the eu is willing to divide up their single market. they've never really shown themselves willing to . and shown themselves willing to. and i as i say, i don't think labour have really understood the task. they've they've taken on. i think they'll find it extremely difficult . difficult. >> jacob, what's your fear on this? you feel that labour wants to cherry pick, but the eu this time won't let us cherry pick. they want the full deal. >> i think the british people will not vote to go back into

the european union. the labour party knows that and they're not going to try and rejoin. what they're going to try and do is mimic and copy and ape. but the great thing is that we maintain parliamentary sovereignty so that at some point we can have a government that deals with brexit properly and comprehensively. and that's what we must keep on pushing towards. but labour will take us as close as possible . as possible. >> and did. >> and did. >> and did. >> and jacob, so what's coming up on your show? >> oh, what's coming up? >> oh, what's coming up? >> i'm going to be talking about tony blair, your great friend sir tony knight of the garter, which is an amazingly distinguished thing to be. and this suggestion that his chief economists have said they're going to raise taxes by £50 billion. it's quite interesting. and it's fascinating to see tony blair, one of the most successful labour politicians of modern times, back, back at the centre of things, really, with his fingers in every pie. >> a lot of people said he never even went away. lord frost, thank you very much for joining us. and of course, jacob rees—mogg, who is on next with state of the nation. first, though, it's time for your weather with aidan mcgivern . weather with aidan mcgivern. >> looks like things are heating up boxt boilers sponsors of

weather on gb news >> hello. welcome back to the latest forecast from the met office for gb news. cloudy and damp in the north during the next 24 hours. drier further south still with some showers however, and it's going to stay humid across southern parts of the uk , with humid air from the the uk, with humid air from the continent extending across many parts. but that means also a lot of cloud cover. continued risk of cloud cover. continued risk of thunderstorms for the evening across east wales, into the midlands and northwest england before they ease overnight and continued outbreaks of persistent rain for many other parts across scotland and northern ireland. further south. although it stays cloudy overnight, it will be drier and it will be a mild night, muggy in some spots. 15 or 16 celsius dunng in some spots. 15 or 16 celsius during the start of the day . but during the start of the day. but for northern scotland, where it's increasingly damp, especially the northeast across parts of aberdeenshire that rain, driving in on a brisk northeasterly breeze. likewise

outbreaks of at times heavy rain continuing across the central belt, southwest scotland, northern ireland. but for england and wales it's drier, although not entirely dry. as we start off wednesday, a lot of low cloud around and some showers here and there. now those showers will increasingly move east and north through the morning. brighter skies develop across southern england and south wales, and it's going to be warm when the sun comes through with temperatures reaching 2324 celsius not feeling so warm across north east scotland, where that rain continues to pile up and there is the risk of localised flooding with that rain , flooding with that rain, particularly across parts of aberdeenshire into the grampians. 50 to 80mm in places. it's still there for the start of thursday, albeit easing and pushing into the north sea. elsewhere across the uk, thursday begins with once again a lot of cloud cover, but that cloud will break through during the day. some showers will develop , but all the day. some showers will develop, but all in all a drier day for many friday. likewise, a

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>> hello. good evening. it's me, jacob rees—mogg on state of the nation. tonight, sir tony blair is back in the limelight, just in time for labour's accession to power . and he in time for labour's accession to power. and he has all sorts of suggestions for sir keir starmer, including id cards, immigration controls and even talks of £50 billion in tax rises. is this just a taste of what is to come? reports have suggested migrants are gloating over the fact that they will no longer be sent to rwanda, while its government has declared that there will be no refund on the £270 million already spent. new health secretary met junior doctors today in an attempt to bnng doctors today in an attempt to bring to an end their frequent

rounds of industrial inaction. but