end. >> patrick christys tonight from 9 pm. only on gb news, britain's news channel . britain's news channel. >> good evening. this is gbn tonight with me, tom harwood. breaking news in the last moments, a 23 hour manhunt has come to a dramatic conclusion. a man suspected of killing three women in their home in cold blood has been apprehended by the police. we're learning more by the minute. and we'll be live in enfield, north london, with updates as we get them . updates as we get them. elsewhere, sir keir starmer is in washington dc. he's there for nato's 75th anniversary summit as he pledges to increase defence spending to 2.5% of gdp, but refuses to say when it will happenin but refuses to say when it will happen in this parliament. and we have an explosive interview with the home, former home secretary suella braverman. she lays into rishi sunak and gives

her stance on allowing nigel farage into the tory party. were she become leader . she become leader. and we'll also go live to dortmund ahead of england's historic match against holland in the euro 2024 semi—final tonight, of course, get in touch with your thoughts on tonight's topics by visiting gbnews.com/yoursay all that's to come after your latest news headlines. >> tom, thank you and good evening to you. well, as you've been hearing, the chief suspect in a triple murder in hertfordshire has now been located by police following an extensive manhunt this afternoon , extensive manhunt this afternoon, hertfordshire police were searching for 26 year old kyle clifford, and they surrounded a cemetery in north london this afternoon with paramedics ,

afternoon with paramedics, forensics teams and an air ambulance on the scene. it's understood the three murdered women in hertfordshire were aged 25, 28 and 61 and they were the wife and two daughters of bbc racing commentator john hunt. racing commentatorjohn hunt. hertfordshire police say the suspect is now receiving medical attention, having been located in enfield in north london, with injuries. police have confirmed no shots were fired. residents who live close to the murder scene itself have described the incident last night as tragic and disturbing. we'll bring you the latest on that. of course, as that story develops . as that story develops. meanwhile, in other news today, sir keir starmer has said he wants to use the nato summit in washington to reset relations with world leaders and send a message to russia's president putin. the summit marks sir keir's debut on the world stage as prime minister, less than a week after the labour landslide which installed him in number 10. he is due to hold detailed talks with president biden at the white house later on this

evening. sir keir starmer said the summit is an opportunity to continue galvanising support for ukraine. >> the change of government makes no difference to the support that we will provide. we've been united on this when we were in opposition and it was really important to me to be able to affirm that face to face in the meeting. i did speak to him immediately after i was sworn in as prime minister last week, and so we build on that here at nato at this important summit, because it is an opportunity for our labour government to reaffirm our commitment to nato . commitment to nato. >> a second man has been arrested as part of an investigation into a small boat people smuggling network, the national crime agency says the 25 year old iraqi national was apprehended this morning at an address in preston in lancashire. he was detained on suspicion of facilitating illegal migration and obtaining leave to remain in the uk by

deception . it follows the arrest deception. it follows the arrest of an iranian national in preston in may, as well as if you didn't know, thousands of england fans are in dortmund in germany tonight for the euro 2024 semi—final against the netherlands, which kicks off in about an hour's time. but the brits are expected to be outnumbered in dortmund, it's thought there could be four times more opposition supporters out tonight, but certainly relations between the two groups of supporters very warm hearted. gareth southgate's side, meanwhile, are pushing for a place in the final against spain and these england fans told gb news they expect a win . news they expect a win. >> easy game , i say easy, >> easy game, i say easy, probably going to be pens, but obviously we'll win because that's what we're good at. you've seen the last game with switzerland, you know, baby food. >> easy. yeah, i'm excited for the semi—finals. it's going well so far. hopefully it can get better. >> i won't take nothing away from the dutch. they got van dijk, that's about it. but you know we'll give it the best. >> i mean ijust realised i'm

wearing the wrong colour for tonight. aren't they. not intended at all. i'll be supporting england. those are the latest gb news headlines. for now i'm polly middlehurst. i'm back in an hour for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code, or go to gb news. >> dot com. forward slash alerts . >> dot com. forward slash alerts. welcome to gbn. tonight i'm tom harwood. now it took 23 hours, but the country wide manhunt to locate the crossbow wielding suspected killer of a mother and her two daughters has come to a dramatic conclusion. 26 year old kyle clifford, believed to be the ex—boyfriend of one of the young women killed, was found in a graveyard this evening, having been found with severe injuries. he's been taken to hospital. well, our reporter theo chikomba is at that graveyard in enfield and has the very latest for us.

theo >> yes. as we've been covering this throughout the day, the investigation has moved at pace. just a few hours ago, we were reporting that the police confirmed that they were searching areas of north london, particularly here in enfield and in bushey, as well as parts of hertfordshire. so it was a widespread manhunt. but in the last 45 minutes or so they confirmed that here at this location in the enfield area, just outside of, this area where we are at the moment, just outside of, this area where we are at the moment , that they we are at the moment, that they found 26 year old kyle clifford, who's been wanted for the murder of three women who were found at a property in bushey just after 7 pm. last night after being called to an incident there. now, the police this evening have thanked members of the pubuc have thanked members of the public throughout the day who've been giving them information, and they are still asking for if

anybody has any cctv footage, please do get in touch with the police. but they've also said that they will ask people to refrain from contacting the family so that they can get some support. and of course comes to terms with what has happened today when we were still in bushey earlier this afternoon , bushey earlier this afternoon, people began to arrive, leaving flowers just opposite the crime scene, there are people in floods of tears. they understandably didn't want to speak to the press. we're not sure whether they are connected or not, but they did come and leave flowers there. as for the local residents there, we spoke to them throughout the day and they were saying they were still coming to terms with what had happened. they were in shock, especially when they saw dozens of police officers arriving into the area just after 7 pm. yesterday, seeing blue lights , yesterday, seeing blue lights, helicopters and more. and of course, they'll be coming to terms with what happened there,

not least the family, of course, who have been impacted by this incident. >> now, theo, you're in a churchyard, a deeply strange place for this to all have concluded. we can see quite a heavy police presence there, even now. do we know any idea about why this suspect ended up in this churchyard, or any nature of the injuries that he sustained .7 sustained? >> yes. so at the moment it's unclear why he chose this destination to come here. but what we do know is that he's from enfield, so we are in the area which he's from, not bushey, which is around 30 minutes drive from here. now, in terms of injuries, we understand that he's been taken to hospital and is receiving medical attention. in the last hour or so. an ambulance was seen leaving here and police cars as well, although police presence remains here. but at the moment no one can enter this place , for no one can enter this place, for now, as i imagine a police will

be looking to find if looking to see if they can find anything which will help them as part of their investigations. but for now, though, it's unclear why he came here. but from pictures we've seen from bird eye view, this is a leafy area and it's quite easy to hide in here, if you don't want to be found especially. >> well, theo chikomba live from the scene of where this has all concluded. this evening. thank you very much for that latest update. we're going to speak now to matt tremayne. now a week ago, matt was a councillor in the local area, but now he's been elected as the member of for parliament watford. matt, thank you so much for joining for parliament watford. matt, thank you so much forjoining us this evening. this must be deeply, deeply shocking and distressing for the for the whole community. >> well, it's an absolutely tragic and horrific incident to have taken place. i mean, as your reporter theo was saying, i mean , this is a residential part mean, this is a residential part of hertfordshire. this is not the kind of place that you

expect to see a crime of this nature taking place certainly isn't. >> and also this family who we learn throughout the day were the family, of course, of john hunt, the bbc racing, radio commentator carol hunt, hannah and louise all found dead yesterday evening at around this time in that home. it must have sent absolute shockwaves through the community. >> well, i would agree with you . >> well, i would agree with you. absolutely. i mean, i think, you know, the crime that you would expect to see in this part of the country in watford and hertfordshire and bushey north, where this has taken place, is definitely not of this nature . definitely not of this nature. you know, you would you would just absolutely not expect to see it. the community is absolutely devastated by this, fortunately, of course, the perpetrator, suspected perpetrator, suspected perpetrator has now been caught by the police. so that fear that existed that he was still at large, is now, is now come to an

end. but the impact on the community will be felt for a very long time. >> and of course, there are going to be questions, questions about why on earth he was wielding what seems like a medieval weapon in the form of a crossbow, questions about how he had , unfettered access to these had, unfettered access to these people. indeed, carrying that weapon . clearly this individual, weapon. clearly this individual, this suspect is suspected to be a very, very dangerous person indeed. some deep, deep questions also need to be answered. now >> yes. i mean, i think i mean, i think that we do need to understand a little more about the details around it. i mean, certainly today i've written to yvette cooper , the home yvette cooper, the home secretary, to say, you know, do we need to look more urgently at what's going on with crossbows and the use in crimes like this? i mean, it is absolutely part of the, the agenda that has been put forward prior to the general election in terms of what we would do afterwards if we if we want it. and so, yeah, i mean,

i'm hoping that that's going to be looked at very urgently. >> that's interesting. so you spoke with the home secretary a little bit earlier today. what else did she say? >> i've written to the home secretary. i've not i've not spoken to the home secretary. >> right. a lot of people will be worried about the general sense of crime, law and order in the united kingdom as a result of incidents like this, what is your view of the touted idea that prisoners may well be now being let out of their cells after just 40% of the time served, as opposed to half the time served? it seems that there is a new prisons minister who perhaps has a slightly different attitude to the utility of prisons . prisons. >> well, you'll you'll forgive me if i'm not able to offer any more detail on that particular point, tom. i mean , obviously, point, tom. i mean, obviously, you know, i've only been sworn into parliament today, so, you know, it's very early days. my day has been dominated by the news that's been coming around.

this particular case, and so, you know , obviously that's been you know, obviously that's been the focus of my attention, and so that's what i'm here to do. i mean, i'm, i'm sure that everyone would want to do so, but obviously we need to also note that our thoughts and sympathies should be with those family members and friends of those family members of the victims . victims. >> absolutely. well, matt termaine, thank you very much for joining us here on gb news forjoining us here on gb news this evening. really appreciate your time and your thoughts as well. thank you. now we're joined by the former head of the national counter terrorism security office, chris phillips. because, chris, a lot of people will be deeply worried tonight that something like this can happenin that something like this can happen in the united kingdom. something like this can happen in a quiet, leafy corner of the united kingdom . united kingdom. >> well, it can happen anywhere. let's let's be quite frank. it's down to the individual that that goes off the rails to do something like this. you'll remember a few years ago a similar sort of incident happenedin similar sort of incident happened in in plymouth, so these things do happen from time to time. it's an absolute

tragedy , and of course, now tragedy, and of course, now there'll be some historical look at this background of this chap to see whether or not he's been giving off signals that he's going to do something as crazy as this. >> yes. and very often in cases like this, there is a sort of relationship between the police and a suspect or indeed a perpetrator. very often, they will find that there are there are links that go back some way. after all this suspect was arrived at fairly quickly, the media was given this suspect picture, fairly quickly after the event, which might suggest the event, which might suggest the police had some sort of idea who this person was. >> yeah, this level of violence, tends to make you think that it's someone that's, visited police stations before, but there are many thousands of those across the country. it's, you know , it would be surprising you know, it would be surprising if this was his first offence. and of course, his brother at the moment is serving a life

sentence as well for a heinous murder. so, you know , this, it's murder. so, you know, this, it's a sad part of society. crossbows are another story. you know , and are another story. you know, and you've brought up two really good points. one about crossbows, but one about prisons, and releasing prisoners early is just completely bonkers. you know, people, you know, from my world of terrorism, people that are still actively engaged in, in sort of terrorism and still thinking that way, actually being released back into the community is completely crazy . and yet to is completely crazy. and yet to release them with 40% of their, of their time is madness. >> yes. the new prisons minister was, quoted as saying that he thinks only about a third of the people who are in prison should be in prison, which strikes me as slightly concerning. now, that's not to, impute anything about the case that we were discussing a moment ago, but in the more general sense, if we're going to see more prisoners released onto the streets , this released onto the streets, this could become a more dangerous

country . country. >> well, it's already become a dangerous country, tom, because, our criminal justice system is completely shot right from policing, which has been devastated by the last government. the government before, we've got a court system which is completely unable to cope with with the number of people that are awaiting trial. and then the prison system, when they do get found guilty, is completely full as well. so, you know, money needs to be spent. unfortunately or they find ways of punishing people for crimes that don't involve prison imprisonment and that doesn't, you know, at the moment, i don't think anyone would be satisfied with the levels of community punishment that are going about, you know, you'd want to see them doing something that is actually a punishment rather than, you know, just, going to distract them for for a, a few days. >> yes. in 2008, the conservative party promised to introduce not only maximum terms, but minimum terms in sentences. i'm not sure how widely that was actually ever implemented . to seriously prison implemented. to seriously prison reform must be something that is

looked at deeply closely now. but i want to return to the case that the specific case that we're dealing with this evening, because the use of a crossbow will strike people as bizarre as deeply peculiar, this sort of medieval weapon being used in an act of slaughter. >> well, it's probably a sign that it's more difficult to get hold of firearms in the uk. i mean, if you can call it a success, that's that's the only success, that's that's the only success you could call it that, that it success you could call it that, thatitis success you could call it that, that it is difficult to get hold of guns. so, people that want to go on and commit heinous crimes like this, they have to find another way . and don't let's get another way. and don't let's get ourselves, to, you know, to hung up with the with the crossbow thing. you know, i imagine other weapons will have been used, and i imagine they're going to be knives. and if you go to any kitchen drawer in the country, you'll find knives that can be used to kill people. so, you know, weapons are out there and people that that go and use them like this are, do exist. what we've got to do is find a way of stopping that from happening.

and i think banning crossbows would be a good start. i think banning all firearms would be another good thing to do, you know, let's, let's try and protect our people as much as we can, but we have to also bear in mind that there are a flood of weapons coming across the channel. now that we are not necessarily stopping from coming in, >> and after all, i suppose even a car could be a weapon. a kitchen knife could be a weapon, after all. we've got to start thinking about the people that are deeply deluded into doing these sorts of acts, perhaps more than the way in which they do them. but chris phillips, that's all we've got time for. former head of the national counter terrorism security office. really appreciate your time this evening. we're joined now by peter kirkham, former met police senior investigating officer. because, peter, there's going to be a heck of a lot of investigation that has gone in over the course of the last 24 hours piecing together this story, because it was a remarkably quick and potentially successful manhunt. >> yes, indeed, the officers would now seem to have all the

pieces of their jigsaw if what we're being told is, is accurate, but it's still a case of putting that together in a way that's going to satisfy the needs of, the evidential requirements for a criminal prosecution, or whatever , the prosecution, or whatever, the first thing they'll be worried aboutis first thing they'll be worried about is when they will be getting a chance to speak to their suspect. i understand he is, been taken away in an ambulance, and therefore, his medical condition will be sorted out first, and then they'll be keen to interview him, after that , what keen to interview him, after that, what sort of keen to interview him, after that , what sort of processes that, what sort of processes will have been going on? >> clearly different police, departments will have been talking to one another, different constabularies will have been communicating, sharing evidence. but what will actually have been the process that has gone on for the last 24 hours? >> the main aim of the exercise over the last 24 hours will have been to lay their hands on him, it would seem that they've known

his identity really? right from the start, which is quite often the start, which is quite often the case where you have got a link when you have got a link between suspect and victim or victims, which would appear to be the case here, that means they're then urgently following whatever lines of inquiry they have, which will include visiting addresses and searching addresses and such like, initially, i mean, it would seem from the sequence of events today that they may have gone to an address that he's known to be unked an address that he's known to be linked with in the enfield area , linked with in the enfield area, not found him there, but perhaps disturbed him, in or around that address and then got on his trail into the cemetery where they found him later on. >> yes. deeply spooky, for want of a better word, that this is where it all came to a head. all came to a conclusion. have you ever seen anything like this in yourin ever seen anything like this in your in your experience, >> i the thing not necessarily with the cemetery, but i've seen these sorts of things before.

where fairly rapidly the police have been on the tail of somebody, and they have run out of options. really, it's actually not, not unusual in those circumstances for them to do themselves some harm or to either on purpose or in an attempt to get away, because they've just run out of options, it's quite often the case with these sorts of things. that situation has reached a head. things have happened, and they've not really thought through what comes next, it might be quite easy to leave the country if you've got a few weeks to plan it and make arrangements and all the rest of it, it's not so easy when you've not even thought about it until ten minutes before you need to do it, >> well, it seems like, thank goodness it's come to a head fairly quickly, but my goodness, what a what a horrific story. and peter kirkham really appreciate your time this evening, and getting a, getting a better understanding of what's gone on there. former met police senior investigating officer peter kirkham. there appreciate your time. now coming up, we're going to be stateside. yes.

across in washington dc as the prime minister. keir starmer. yeah, get used to saying that he's arrived in washington at the nato leaders summit . we're the nato leaders summit. we're asking are all of his cast iron defence spending commitments actually as cast iron as they

welcome back to gbn . tonight at welcome back to gbn. tonight at 7:24 with me. tom harwood. just five days into the job, sir keir starmer has touched down in washington for the nato leaders wmmw washington for the nato leaders summit. in his first major international event since taking office last week. already, however, the prime minister is facing facing a backlash. he's insisting the uk has a cast iron commitment to spending 2.5% of gdp on defence, but refusing to lay out a timetable for when the government will actually cough up the cash. he won't even say that it'll happen. this parliament, well,

that it'll happen. this parliament, well , according to parliament, well, according to the prime minister, a strategic review needs to come before all of that. well, joining me now with the very latest live from washington, dc, is our very own political editor , christopher political editor, christopher hope. and christopher, you've been following the prime minister today. you've been at the white house today . what on the white house today. what on earth, is going on because it seems like there's a very confusing pledge from keir starmer here. >> hi, tom. yeah, welcome to washington, dc, where it is about 30 degrees here. and it's hot, a lot hotter. i think, than back in the uk. that's right. sir keir starmer has come here. this time last week he was staying in a b&b somewhere in the midlands i think tonight. and instead he finds himself being hosted by joe and jill biden for a glitzy white house dinner tonight. here in washington. that's right. so far, sir keir starmer has met with joe biden. they met their first handshake was in full view of the cameras at the nato summit just now , earlier we saw summit just now, earlier we saw him meet with olaf scholz, who's the german chancellor. the pair are quite good friends. he met

quite interestingly with nick thomas—symonds, who is the for minister european relations. and that's quite interesting because of course, next week there's a big summit at blenheim palace in the uk when 44 european leaders will be meeting at hosted by sir keir starmer, and they'll be discussing how the uk will look in a post—brexit world. as sir keir starmer tries to reset that brexit relationship. but the idea of this, this the personal meetings we've seen, of course, also emmanuel macron give a kind of bro handshake to sir keir starmer. sir keir starmer gave joe biden an arsenal shirt with the number 46 on the back to represent the 46th president of the united states, so lots of friendship here. and of course, sir keir starmer is the bright, shiny thing in amongst world leaders right now. he's a leader who was elected last week on this majority, this landslide majority. so he's the one everyone wants to speak to. we're hoping to be later on tonight with the prime minister, maybe even in the oval office,

as he meets with joe biden for a fireside chat. and we'll bring more of that to you first thing in the morning, but it hasn't all gone away from the worries here about law and order, about justice, about the overcrowded prisons haven't gone away from sir keir starmer. but this kind of thing on the world stage gladhanding with world leaders, is exactly why so many people want to be prime minister, to show they can bat for britain internationally. >> goodness me, it will be fascinating to see what happens inside the oval office with the two of them a little bit later on. of course, an oval office that no longer has a bust of winston churchill in it. it was there, of course, for george w bush. it was taken out by obama, put back by trump, taken out again by biden. it seems to be doing a bit of a churchill bust. hokey cokey. but christopher, you do mention something very interesting, which is that, of course, the prime minister, keir starmer, will be in office for at least five years with an enormous majority . joe biden enormous majority. joe biden might not be the president in a few months time. emmanuel macron is term limited to 2027. olaf

scholz is 20 points behind in the polls in germany. justin trudeau is 20 points behind in the polls in canada. one recent poll had him coming in third place from first place, clearly, in terms of the person with the most staying power at this international conference, it could well be the british prime minister >> that's right. well, sir keir starmer, he's not even a week into his time as prime minister with that landslide majority . with that landslide majority. he's the one they all want to speak to. everyone likes a winner, tom, and particularly on the world stage. so people are going towards him and talking to him and the handshake and almost a half embrace, which emmanuel emmanuel macron gave to sir keir starmer , was very, very warm. he starmer, was very, very warm. he certainly sees starmer. i would imagine that the french president, as an antidote to this rise of populism that he is seeing in his own country of course, with the national rally doing so well in those elections and also wider on continental europe. but yeah, no question, i think this is a moment for sir

keir starmer. he's being very businesslike about it and making clear that he's trying to put britain first. he was challenged overnight on the flights here by reporters and i was one of them. what's more important, paying doctors properly, sorting out the welfare state or keeping britain safe. and he came down or hinted very strongly, he backed the latter . i or hinted very strongly, he backed the latter. i think or hinted very strongly, he backed the latter . i think the backed the latter. i think the idea of keeping this country, our country safe from threats is so important. and that's why he's being pressured all the time about getting towards 2.5% of gdp spent on defence. that's money that would go towards ukraine and their war with russia. and he met with president zelenskyy earlier and i was in the room for that. and it was a very warm meeting between david lammy, john healey, the foreign secretary, and defence secretary, with sir keir starmer meeting with the zelenskyy. but there's no deadune zelenskyy. but there's no deadline on when they'll get to 2.5% of gdp. on defence. we heard from the from the tories. that would be the end of the decade. we haven't got that from labour and that pressure will go on and on. but next week this

big strategic defence review starts. and that's the point at which labour's got to start to deliver on its promise to keep us safe . us safe. >> a really interesting stuff there. well, christopher, hope i hope you're having a much warmer time in washington dc than we've all been having back here in blighty. i can't see a rain cloud in sight, which must be a delightful change. christopher hope, thank you so much for joining us this evening. i have to say, when tony blair became prime minister in 1997 and he went to europe for his first european council summit, all of the leaders got on bicycles and tony blair started riding ahead, and all the rest of them tried to catch up with him because he was the man of the moment, the man who just won a massive majority. he seemed like he was mr europe and all the other leaders wanted to be pictured near him, not sure we're quite getting that same sense from keir starmer just yet. a man who won an enormous majority on just 2,434% of the vote. well, up next, england are minutes away from kicking off against the netherlands for a historic

semi—final. fans are on their way to the game dortmund, and we're going to be live in

welcome back to gbn . tonight at welcome back to gbn. tonight at 7:34 with me. tom harwood. now, after spain sent france packing last night in a blockbuster semi—final clash. tonight, it's england's turn to earn a place in the euros final. now we're going to see what the fans in the uk are feeling like at this important moment. gb news reporter will hollis is out there for us in nottingham and will, how are people feeling? this could be a huge moment for england. yes, a little bit further north than nottingham this time we're here in the heart of sheffield steel city , heart of sheffield steel city, in a fan zone that can fit some 4000 fans. >> football fans that chose to

stay here on home turf instead of making that trip to germany. it is 500 miles away that the fate of england heading towards a final must be decided. but first we've got to tackle that semi—final challenge of a more than capable team that is the netherlands 4000 or so people here, many of them straight away from work. they came down to the fan zone here at the heart of sheffield, devonshire green. there are two words that can describe this fan zone right now. one is beer. plenty of that. the second is hope. there is certainly a feeling of hope in the air that i haven't felt so far during this tournament. it hasn't been the easiest road . hasn't been the easiest road. many critics have followed england on this journey, but neither beer nor hope here in sheffield can have any impact on what happens 500 miles away in dortmund. as england get ready to take on the netherlands in the semi final of the 2024

european cup , and will. european cup, and will. >> this is such a huge moment because if england can do it, if we can do it, this evening, then we're through to the first ever euros final that the england will have played. not on home soil. you see that little qualifier there ? qualifier there? >> yes. the challenge is getting past this final step, isn't it? lots of people have been a little bit pessimistic. i would say , about whether we can make say, about whether we can make it to that momentous occasion. england is often badged as having a really good team, but falling at the last hurdle. this really is the last hurdle and if we do get past this one, it will be spain . a formidable side be spain. a formidable side sides like france , sides like sides like france, sides like germany, italy, all of them would have been a difficult team for england to get past. but spain is going to be a real challenge. but as i say, hope here in the heart of sheffield, lots of hope as well. in

dortmund tonight and hope in germany for the fans that have travelled over there. hoping to cheer england on past this semi—final into a final as well. >> well, will is live from sheffield, not nottingham. thank you very much for that anticipatory, sort of look ahead of what could be an enormous moment . england versus the moment. england versus the netherlands. two countries that are perhaps came together a little bit in 1688. we, of course, celebrating the battle of the boyne on, on friday. so perhaps it's, it's all very fitting. two of the earliest countries to invent capitalism. two. but coming up, we're going to be having a little look at an exclusive interview with suella braverman. she speaks about how she may or may not allow nigel farage into the tory party, were she to become leader. what on earth will she say? well, our man in the states, stephen egginton, has spoken to her, and

next. welcome back. it's 741. my name is tom harwood, and this is gbn tonight. now, as the contest for conservative party leader hots up , suella braverman has sat up, suella braverman has sat down with our us correspondent , down with our us correspondent, stephen edgington. he asked about nigel farage joining the conservative party, and she laid into rishi sunak over the issue of immigration. let's listen to this pretty explosive interview. >> if you were leader of the tory party, would you let nigel farage become a member? >> listen, my analysis of british politics is that there's only room for one centre right party. there's only room for one conservative party on the right of british politics. and at the moment we have two. and that's why reform poses an existential threat to us right now. and as long as reform continues to exist and the way it is, as long as it keeps taking away millions of voters who used to be part of our voting base, there is no chance that we are going to win elections. so there's very little i disagree with, when it

comes to nigel farage. and, you know, i met thousands of people throughout this campaign and many, many people said to me, i'm a lifelong tory voter, but i'm a lifelong tory voter, but i'm going to vote reform they are feeling betrayed. they feel let down. they feel politically homeless because of our failures. so, listen, we have to address the issue of reform. i'm not really interested in the form of what that takes, but we need to find an accommodation with reform, with nigel farage. so that we can take the fight to labour and win the next election. >> but it's an important question. would you let him into the party? >> listen, i'm well, i would welcome anybody into the party who wants us to win? who supports the conservatives? who will support conservative candidates and councillors and support our effort to win elections? listen, we can't turn away supporters right now. we need allies and we need friends. and, boy , do we need them. and, boy, do we need them. >> when you were home secretary,

you presided over record levels. almost three quarters of a million people net came to britain during your period as home secretary, would you like to apologise for the british people for this betrayal? >> well, i've already apologised. first thing i said when i was re—elected on thursday night was i'm sorry because my party has let you down. i meant that to the british people. so i think that, you know, when i went into the home office in 2022, i was agitated, i was alarmed, and i was very, very concerned about the record number of visas which had just been issued in july 2022. we'd hit the 1 million mark of work and study visas. that's not what i voted for when i voted to leave the european union. it's not what the british people voted for in 2019 when they chose us in that landslide election and things were going in the wrong direction, i went in, i got an assurance from rishi sunak that he would work with me to, to lower legal migration and cut the number of visas by raising the salary threshold, imposing a cap on the number of visas, restricting the number of visas, restricting the number of visas, restricting the number of students, a whole host

of things. i went in with a full and comprehensive programme. unfortunately, i was blocked . unfortunately, i was blocked. now for your viewers and for those of people who have not beenin those of people who have not been in government, let me explain the reality of being in government. you could be the best minister. you could be the most charismatic , cleverest most charismatic, cleverest person in the room with the best idea. goodness, ijust person in the room with the best idea. goodness, i just wanted to deliver a manifesto commitment to lower overall migration. but if the prime minister doesn't agree with you, if no one around the cabinet table agrees with you, you're not getting anywhere. and that is the reality that i came up against. now, you know , i could. i have now, you know, i could. i have tried hard, i struggled, i struggled privately for 12 months, biting my lip, supporting the prime minister, trying to persuade from the inside he didn't agree with me. >> the white british population has declined from 87% in 2001 to 74% in 2021. this is a huge demographic change, the largest in british history in the last 1000 years. is this in any way a concern to you? >> well, i'm very concerned

about, the exponential rise in immigration. and i'm not talking here about the boats, the boats is a big problem, but the numbers are relatively small compared to legal migration. and as i said, when i went into the home office, i was really the only one around the cabinet table who was, you know , moving, table who was, you know, moving, you know, mobilised and motivated on this subject, having seen the previous data of the number of visas i made, the case, i made the case to the prime minister. i made the to case the chancellor. i made the case the chancellor. i made the case to the education department. i made the case to the health department. i made the health department. i made the case to the business department, to the agricultural department. you know, all these departments where you know, migrant labour is a factor and, you know, there was no support, there is a consensus, there's an orthodox view informed mainly by the treasury , that more people, the treasury, that more people, regardless of where they come from , regardless of what their from, regardless of what their skills are, regardless of what their earning, is necessarily a good thing for the economy in

terms of growth, i fundamentally refute that because it over there's a massive oversight there's a massive oversight there in terms of growth per capita, which has been declining as the population increases. the costs and the pressure on housing supply on public services, and also on national identity and cultural cohesion and so i am very concerned for a whole number of reasons about the unsustainable pace and scale of legal migration. people who come here need to contribute to our culture and to our to our way of life. and that's what concerns me. >> do you think that anti—white discrimination is systemic in britain? >> we've got to stop telling the british people that they are racist. we've got to stop trying to guilt white people and branding. we've got to stop branding. we've got to stop branding all english people as racist. this concept of white

privilege is a nonsense to me. say that to the white, working class boys in britain who are the most underachieving when it comes to literacy and numeracy in school. outcomes say that to, young girls in northern, some northern towns who were raped and abused by gangs of largely pakistani muslim men. so i think we need to stop, you know, gaslighting the british people. we need to be honest . we need to be honest. >> well, there you go. and you can catch that full interview on the gb news america channel onune the gb news america channel online now. delighted to be joined by our gb news us correspondent steve edgington, who of course conducted that interview. and steve, firstly i want to ask you what was the former home secretary doing the other side of the pond ? surely other side of the pond? surely if she wants to be winning a leadership election, she's got

to be hobnobbing with the few conservative mps who remain. >> she is here in washington, dc at the national conservatism conference. i think this is her second national conservatism conference that she's spoken at, and she is making her pitch to american and international conservatives from all around the world. i actually think it's quite smart that she's come here. she's really raising her profile in the states and she's connecting with a lot of interesting and powerful conservative allies and voices. and there are some brits here as well, including me, who's covering the conference. so i'm very happy that she's here, she's really making waves. i mean, she gave a speech a couple of days ago in which she was criticising the pride progress flag and this caused a massive outcry from many liberal and so—called wet tories, who said that she was being incredibly homophobic and so on. so she really is sort of launching, i think, her leadership bid softly, you know, she's not being very subtle about it in some ways, but she's in washington to talk about

conservatism and to talk about why the tories, failed. >> some people might say she launched her leadership campaign before the election was even oven before the election was even over. with that letter to the telegraph, but but, steve, did you get a sense that there is actually a sort of campaigning machine behind suella braverman, or is she sort of acting out alone? >> i think it's difficult to gauge whether suella has a team by her or not. i know that she certainly is ambitious in this area . in my interview, i mean, area. in my interview, i mean, she says that, you know, she hasn't launched her leadership bid. i think we can all read between the lines. and i know that, you know, in order for her to get on that ballot, that crucial ballot, that tory members will vote on, she needs to court those conservative mps. and she does seem to be struggling with that. so john hayes, one of her closest allies, seems to have backed her rival, robert jenrick. and i did ask her about that. and she said, you know, he's happy. she's happy for him to back whoever, he wants to back. and

that hasn't been made public yet. so i think that she really needs to focus on those tory mps. having said all that, i think she was incredibly impressive. in this interview, i tried to ask her tough questions, i tried to hold her to account, and i think she, held her own. i think she had some very interesting persuasive arguments as to why the conservative party failed on so many aspects and why she failed personally, particularly when it comes to immigration numbers. the conservatives made those pledges to reduce immigration, and the opposite happened. and i think many people recognise, or certainly argue that that was one of the major reasons why the tories lost so much support to reform. and it seems bizarre to me that she's the only major conservative mp who's talking about this , who's being honest about this, who's being honest about this, who's being honest about this, who's making these arguments. and as she's making these arguments, you've got these arguments, you've got these snide remarks from other tory mps like kemi badenoch, who's saying she's having a pubuc who's saying she's having a public breakdown. >> it just seems i wanted to ask you about that, actually, steve, we don't have much time, but did you get a sense that suella

braverman is a woman having a pubuc braverman is a woman having a public mental breakdown? >> i got the sense that suella braverman is willing to tell the truth and be honest about why the tories lost. this was not a pubuc the tories lost. this was not a public breakdown. this was simply telling home truths. and i think some conservative mps don't want to accept that. >> okay, well, stephen edmundson, our us correspondent, thank you very much for joining us live from washington, dc. really appreciate your time listening to all of that. was jacob rees—mogg joining me in the studio? jacob, what did you what was your sense of that interview with with the former home secretary? >> well, i think suella is saying some very important things as steve was saying, she is telling some home truths. we lost the election because we had abandoned our core vote. who expected us to deal with migration and we hadn't. >> does that account for the millions of conservative voters who went to the labour party, who went to the labour party, who went to the labour party, who went to the lib dems, but the millions didn't go to the labour party? >> if you look at the vote, it goes down from about 13 million

to just under 7 million. of that, 4 million goes to reform. that only leaves 3 million. but you have the turnout falling. well reform could have picked up some former labour voters. very unlikely. and the psephologists have suggested that maybe a quarter of the 2019 conservative vote went to the labour party. well, you've got the numbers staying at home, and the turnout falls to the lowest level since 2001. i think the overwhelming majority of tory voters from 2019 who didn't vote tory this time either, stayed at home or voted for reform rather than going off to labour or the lib dems. >> but just quickly, is this all academic? after all, as stephen said, sirjohn hayes, perhaps the closest ally of, suella braverman in parliament, is backing someone else. will she have any backers forget about leadership? >> for the time being, the leadership doesn't really matter yet. what matters is that we work out what went wrong, work out how to be conservative, and work out how to reunite the right of british politics. because as long as the right is divided under a first past the post system, we will lose and we

will lose heavily. >> goodness me. well, what's coming up on your programme over the next 60 minutes? >> very similar things, actually. i'm going to be talking about the divisions within the conservative party as the leadership race begins to take form. and who leaked kemi badenoch comments from the shadow cabinet, because that is really bad form. i think all the ministers have to take some responsibility. all conservatives take some responsibility for the defeat. it's not just rishi's fault , but it's not just rishi's fault, but leaking is the first thing you do. how is that going to help the party reform and debate maturely the problems that we have faced ? have faced? >> absolutely fascinating and fascinating to how both suella braverman and kemi badenoch are now going at each other online, on social media over these leaks. >> that's very interesting, isn't it? that's not necessarily the best way to win support, ehhen the best way to win support, either. in the house of commons or in the country at large. before we go, can i thank you for standing in for me during the election campaign? far too many people said you were better than i was, which is very

dispiriting. >> it was just it was just the content was ever, ever more fascinating. well, it's jacob next, after your weather looks like things are heating up. >> boxt boilers sponsors of weather on gb news >> good evening. welcome to your latest gb news, weather update brought to you from the met office. rain will ease slowly but surely through tonight. however, it is going to be another cloudy day for most of us through tomorrow. that's because low pressure is very much in charge. we've got a northerly wind as well for some areas that's bringing that particularly cool feel, particularly cool feel, particularly for mid the early particularly for mid the early part of july. so rain will persist for north eastern areas of scotland as well as some northern areas of england, parts of northern ireland as well. but the rain is going to ease a little and we will lose that risk of thunderstorms through northern areas of england staying dry across the south. temperatures around 12 or 13 degrees as a minimum overnight, so a fairly mild start to the day. but as i said, where we do have that northerly wind across

parts of scotland, that's where it's going to feel quite cool through much of the day. temperatures not climbing much higher than 13 degrees in aberdeen by lunchtime, even 11 degrees to start the day, so there'll be little change from there'll be little change from the morning into the afternoon. a brighter day though, for northern ireland. western areas of scotland cloud, though , of scotland cloud, though, thickening across parts of north wales into the midlands and across many southern areas. the cloud will start to build into the afternoon, but it should stay dry through much of the day across many southern areas. so here, that's where we'll see the warmest temp, the highest temperatures, the warm sunshine still pushing through across parts of the south into wimbledon as well. it should be another dry day on thursday, and there will be more in the way of sunshine for northern ireland, western scotland as well. despite that northerly wind temperatures still climbing to the mid—teens, possibly the higher teens for some parts of the central belt by thursday afternoon. looking ahead to friday, we do see a risk of showery rain pushing up from the south and east, threatening the south and east, threatening the south coast. further north, though, it will be a much drier

day. but still a northerly wind means temperatures will be a little below par. but not feeling too bad in the sunshine where you do see it and it does look a little bit drier into the start of the weekend. a risk of showers though, developing later on in the weekend, but temperatures climbing to around 23 by sunday. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on gb news

>> well . >> well. >> well. >> hello. good evening. it's me, jacob rees—mogg on state of the nafion jacob rees—mogg on state of the nation . tonight, the tory nation. tonight, the tory infighting has begun . reports infighting has begun. reports suggesting kemi badenoch has castigated the former prime minister for not informing the cabinet about the election. but all of those in government surely must share the blame. former home secretary suella braverman exclusively told gb news this earlier. >> this is a crisis for our party and if we don't realise the enormity of the problem and

fundamentally change, we will