we get an extra bank holiday if we win.7 and good news, everybody. the culture wars are over. well, that's according to a labour minister. lisa nandy. something tells me she might be slightly wrong on this one. and yesterday saw the tragic murder of three women. but did you know, on average, in the uk, a woman is murdered every three days by a man.7 do murdered every three days by a man? do we need to do more to protect women and girls there? and did you know that 1 in 6 people in england are now on antidepressants? and why are we so sad? i can think of a few

reasons. or our doctors just overmedicating us now. clive lewis decided to add to protest while being sworn in as an mp by not swearing allegiance to the king. was this a republican protest? completely necessary though? or a bit of get over yourself, that's to all come in the next hour. but first, let's get those news headlines with san francis. >> dawn, thank you very much, and good evening to you . it's and good evening to you. it's just after 6:00. and the top story tonight in enfield. police have now retrieved what appear to have been two hard drives and bags of documents from a house connected to their ongoing triple murder investigation. if you're watching on television, you're watching on television, you can see here the latest images coming into a showing. officers as they carried that evidence from the house, while another three members of staff bundled materials into a van to take it away for further investigations. hertfordshire police say the suspect, karl

clifford, remains in a serious condition in hospital and is still yet to speak with officers . still yet to speak with officers. he was found near a cemetery in north london yesterday after a major manhunt for the 26 year old. it's understood a crossbow has also been recovered and he is wanted for the deaths of carol hunt, the wife of bbc commentator john carol hunt, the wife of bbc commentatorjohn hunt, and two of their daughters. detectives are vowing to seek justice for the family of those victims who are currently receiving support from specialist officers . police from specialist officers. police have released details of a man they're hunting after human remains were discovered packed into two suitcases at bristol's clifton suspension bridge. he's described as black with a beard and was dressed in black, wearing a backpack . officers wearing a backpack. officers were called last night to reports of a man acting suspiciously and say they're now urgently working to identify him. police are now carrying out citywide searches after last night's discovery, and an investigation is underway to identify the remains that were

found. the prime minister has brushed off concerns that his plans to release prisoners early to ease overcrowding in jails might see a crime wave unleashed across the country. his new government's proposing to free inmates after serving 40% of their sentences, and it's expected to keir starmer will authorise that emergency measure later this week. it comes after he said he was shocked at the levels of overcrowding in prisons, admitting it was worse than he first thought. well, speaking at the nato summit in washington to gb news, sir keir starmer has blamed the previous government for the lack of prison capacity. i can't build a prison capacity. i can't build a prison in seven days with the best will in the world, >> it is clearly a problem left by the last government. there's no issue about that. you cannot be in this terrible state. and they ignored the problem, didn't fix the problem. we are going to have to fix it. we're going to have to fix it. we're going to have to fix it. we're going to have to make short term measures, and we'll announce that in due course. and then, of course, we'll have to do the further measures. but i simply can't build a prison in seven

days. this is a terrible failure of government by the last government. >> well, while he is spending time in washington, the prime minister has also called england's progress to the final of euro 2024 fantastic. but he won't commit to giving us a bank houday won't commit to giving us a bank holiday if they win the tournament. sir keir starmer missed the winning goal in last night's match against the netherlands because he was in meetings in washington . he's meetings in washington. he's been asked about the potential, though, of an extra day off. >> it was fantastic . i managed >> it was fantastic. i managed to pop out from one of my sessions for just five minutes, which is when i saw harry kane got the first goal. i missed the second one, but it's brilliant. so on we go now. great chance. i've always said this team, we're going to go all the way. so i'm really, really pleased and just good luck for sunday. >> now we spotted that last yeah >> now we spotted that last year. you said that if the lionesses won the world cup there should be an extra bank holiday. so if england win, do we all get an extra day off? well, we should certainly mark the occasion. >> i don't want to jinx it. i went to the last euros finals. i

want to go through that again. so don't want to jinx anything. we must mark it in some way. but the most important thing is getting it over the line on sunday. >> well, although sir keir starmer won't promise to give us a day off, these england fans in nottingham say the whole country deserves a break 100. >> we need a bank holiday for the first time since 1966, but we could be bringing it home. what more better reason to get a bank holiday than that? >> we haven't had much to celebrate recently as a country , celebrate recently as a country, so yeah, i think it's a great excuse for a celebration. and, yeah. so it all comes together and celebrate our football team. >> i think it's absolutely necessary. i mean, why shouldn't we? winning a tournament like the euros comes once every blue moon? well, never in my lifetime. never in anyone's lifetime. never in anyone's lifetime. so why not give the pubuc lifetime. so why not give the public a day off? you know we deserve it. >> in other news, we've heard today that a police officer has been jailed for more than six years after burgling a house to steal a safe containing £16,000. ben cooke discovered the cash was being stored at the property

in bridgend after he obtained data from the force. he worked for and their computer system. he told the homeowner he had a warrant to search her home. water companies in england and wales have been told that they can put up bills, but by not by as much as they had asked for regulator ofwat says they can hike prices by an average of £19 a year, but that's a third less than the amount they had requested. water firms met with the environment secretary, steve reed, earlier and agreed to some reforms, including ring fencing for money upgrades so it can't be spent on bonuses. for money upgrades so it can't be spent on bonuses . and be spent on bonuses. and finally, american actor shelley duvall, best known for her role in the shining, has died at the age of 75. she also starred in annie hall and popeye, and her partner dan gilroy, told the hollywood reporter that she died at her home in texas from complications relating to diabetes. those are the latest gb news headlines. for now, i'm sam francis. more at 7:00 for

the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code or go to gbnews.com forward slash alerts . slash alerts. >> hello and welcome to dewbs& co with me dawn neesom tonight. hope you're having a wonderful evening out now. and now joining me until seven. i've got a wonderful panel for you today is a former editor of the sun and my old boss kelvin mackenzie. and the very wonderful journalist and commentator judy, judnh journalist and commentator judy, judith de silva, looking absolutely stunning as always . absolutely stunning as always. really love working with you. i just feel so like plain basically. but it's all about you. this show , it's not about you. this show, it's not about what we've got to say. so get your news, your views coming in right now at gb news.com. slash your say now it's coming home possibly. but should we be staying home to watch it. england are through to the

european championship final after a fairly lacklustre start. i think it's fair to say, last minute goals and a penalty shoot out if and it's a big if we're up against spain, remember we win . should we get an extra bank win. should we get an extra bank houday win. should we get an extra bank holiday to celebrate? you heard keir starmer talking about it earlier on. i think he's hankering after ticket, don't you, but should we get that bank houday you, but should we get that bank holiday ? kelvin? now? we've holiday? kelvin? now? we've worked together before. i think we agree on this bank holiday malarkey, we're playing on sunday night. lots of people are celebrating. i think, with a few beers or two. so let's just. let's just call monday off and let's all have a bank holiday and celebrate. >> well, there was a good chunk of the country who currently take time off to which they're not entitled. and i absolutely object to the idea that that our country, which is not in the greatest of shape, right now, should give up another day, in

relation to football. look, i love my football and a lot of families and friends will be getting together. they have a great sunday. rather than just thinking about, going to work on the monday, which can be, for some people, quite depressing. although for me i quite enjoy it. so i am hostile to the idea, but i'm not hostile to people enjoying themselves. why can't they just enjoy themselves and get up and go to work in the morning? why? why is it that every time we do anything correctly in our country, there's always some socialist or some lib dem person comes out of the woodwork and says, i tell you what, what you need is to have a day off. look at the number of people who are currently having a day off. there's 9 million people throwing the unemployed and the sick who aren't going anywhere. every day is a bank holiday to them. so let's just let's just say enjoy the moment and then go to work normally. >> sir davey is another one that's quite keen on this idea, isn't he? judy but do you think do you think kelvin's been a bit bah humbug? there i mean, very much. we haven't done this since 1966. however, i will say it's slightly sexist because we didn't do it when england women

won, what, two years ago? >> now i think you are being a bit bah humbug because at the end of the day, on the emotional level , this is going to be an level, this is going to be an era defining moment. it's going to be something exceptional. like you said, the country has wanted it for so long and wanted it so badly for so long. if it should actually come to fruition, it would something that it's something that unequivocally will galvanise the entire country . everybody would entire country. everybody would be bound together for something positive and on a practical level, if people did go to work, it's an exercise in futility because, you know, productivity levels will be rock bottom because they'll be distracted by the euphoria of we just won the no. 110. >> no. >> the reverse will be true, that people will be so buzzed up they'll actually make some effort to actually increase either the profitability or the amount of the amount of production that they actually produce. so i look, i have emerged as the bah humbug figure in this, in this debate, i am massively in favour of us having a brilliant day on sunday or brilliant evening anyway. and however, i don't believe that giving another day up to a lack

of productivity is a good idea. >> and the thing is, it's going to cost us £1.36 billion. i mean, to have a bank of that's what it costs the country as a whole. >> but then when you think of how you're going to stimulate the commerce for pubs and shops and restaurants, that's something that they would not much judith raanan, but they will greatly welcome that extra money because people will be so buoyed by what had happened the champagne, the alcohol will be flowing. the barbecues will be going. so that's something that lasts with a gain on another side. >> so if you were still, if you were still editing the sun and someone phoned up on monday morning, i mean, 1.5 million people are expected to do this. another 1.5 million are expected to call in sick or work from home. yeah, and someone said , home. yeah, and someone said, i'm sorry, boss, ijust home. yeah, and someone said, i'm sorry, boss, i just can't make it today. i'm not feeling too well. what's your reaction? >> be well if i, if i honestly thought that they'd just been on the batter all night and just carried on enjoying themselves, i'd be very annoyed because supposing on the other side, the employer said, really? if that's

your attitude, we won't pay you, right? and then of course, you get involved in employment tribunal problems and all the rest of it. it's very, very tough today to be the boss of a smallish company and have people ringing in sick. there's almost nothing you can do about it. >> you can ask them to provide a sick note and then they have to. >> well, how difficult is that? >> well, how difficult is that? >> but then that's how difficult it's from them making up a story about being unwell. if you say providers, yeah, but you're within your rights to our sickness rates. >> for instance, if you look in the look in the national health service, right. the sickness rates there are nearly three weeks of a year now. it's 14 days. this is incredible stuff. so look, i'm in favour of us doing well. i'm in favour of us having a great time. i'm just not in favour of giving up a vital day on what is supposed to be a long socialist march towards break even. >> you're cutting your nose to spite your face because i strongly like i dispute the nofion strongly like i dispute the notion that you believe if people are happy about winning the euros, they'll be really focused on work. if they can't,

they might even turn up in order to talk to other colleagues about what a great match it was. >> and lots of people are on team kelvin today as well. andy, who actually gets a bank holiday off work nowadays. in any case off work nowadays. in any case of vast majority, it's just another working day. players can have the day off. they deserve it. what a ridiculous idea it says carol. i'm sure many don't go to work today because of hangoven go to work today because of hangover. listen to kelvin, listen to your uncle kelvin. i think there's always the best way to go and bank holiday for football, says cathy. what next? how? you know, it's like, how would that affect small to medium businesses if they just can't afford to do it, and tim, interesting idea. tim says if we win, it just makes saint george's day a bank holiday instead . interesting idea, instead. interesting idea, because calling a bank holiday on the sunday night for the next monday is going to be an interesting one, isn't it? what if you work in the nhs? you can't take the bank holiday, can you? you've got to go out to work, especially for hangovers right now, from what unites us to what divides us, the new culture secretary, lisa nandy, has said to government employees that the era of the culture wars is over. now is it really judyta

this is from the labour party, which to my mind seems to have done more to encourage the culture wars than any other party in history, >> i wouldn't say that because i think what lisa nandy is speaking to is what has been happening pretty much across most of the western world, which is the highlighting of the differences between peoples, and that spurs an an animosity between them really heightens fracture lines between a society. and then you have the kind of contention you have that we saw going into this last election. she's saying coming on the back of that, if you move towards pride in britain, but a britain that is made up of different communities recognising them celebrating and the contribution they make to make this britain great, that's a wonderful thing. that's a beautiful ethos going forward, which is more inclusive of everyone that goes together to populate britain. i mean , kevin, populate britain. i mean, kevin, the this culture divide or culture war at the moment is , is culture war at the moment is, is the gender issue, isn't it? >> and lisa nandy did once

infamously say that trans women are women and trans men are men and should be accommodated in the prison of their choosing . the prison of their choosing. now, if that isn't divisive culture war, i don't know what is it? >> well, actually, the biggest division right now , in taking division right now, in taking your point about the difference of the kind of the people we have in our country, of course, was was highlighted in the general election in which five pro gaza muslim mps were elected and defeated the defeated the labour candidate. so i think the problem is lisa nandy has to say something. all the ministers have been told you've got to do something. for instance, miliband is now banned, oil exploration, new, new new oil wells being looked at in the nonh wells being looked at in the north sea. you've got somebody else doing something. and so nandy says, well, i've got to say something. i'm going to say, i'm in favour of us all getting on a lot better. there is no possibility in a free speech world and actually really in a social media world where people

are going to agree with each other, what we've discovered is that not only do we get a vote, we have the ability to go on x or twitter or whatever it is and actually say these things, and it's that issue, which means and thatis it's that issue, which means and that is why i don't even know bother why? why is she bother saying any of this? because it fundamentally will not be true . fundamentally will not be true. people want to have pride in their country, but there is likely to be division based on culture. >> that's the difference. when you're saying about there will always be differences of opinion because people are individuals. icannot because people are individuals. i cannot just intrinsically think like you. i'm a different person. indeed indeed, it's possible to function with a difference of opinion without being combative with an antagonistic in the process. >> that's where i disagree with you , but i think that comes down you, but i think that comes down to the functionality of having. >> when you say you represent all communities and celebrate all communities and celebrate all communities and celebrate all communities because those communities exist in britain, they make up britain, they vote in britain, they pay taxes in britain . but what has led to the contention? >> why do we have. sorry to interrupt you. why do we have to have different communities? what's wrong with us all just being one community? >> no, but it's the same thing,

like you said, between men and women. men don't go through what women. men don't go through what women go through. you have to recognise and respect a difference. and when you feel respected, you feel understood, you feel you have value and then you feel you have value and then you don't feel you're fighting with men or you're combating with men or you're combating with men or there's a contention with men or there's a contention with men. you understand that you occupy a space of value, that that recognises your individuality and that can work individuality and that can work in tandem. okay. >> let me ask you a question then. if we had the same discussion in a years time, does anybody honestly believe that nandy will have turned out to be correct? that actually we're all getting along a lot better and we only have one object? the answer? honestly, we don't exist in this will not happen. >> that will not happen. it will not happen. doing is making strides in the right direction rather than doing nothing. >> she's saying something because she's been ordered by the prime minister from each of the prime minister from each of the divisions of their ministries. say something. so she's decided to say that something. >> she said that this is going to be the platform that her entire that. but one of the issues of the ministry is going to be working on. so she's basically said, this is the work i am going to do. these are the

endeavours we're going to take. well, but for you to lisa nandy is very lucky to even to be in the job, isn't he? >> let's be honest, once you get culture, the next the next job is basically pushing a broom outside orders, you know, like, okay, on the flip side of what you said, imagine in a year's time her endeavours actually improve the social state of the community. would you would you then say, i'd be. i'd be amazed and be i'd be delighted. and i absolutely guarantee to you that everybody now has a view which is basically at odds with somebody else's view . this is somebody else's view. this is this is the world we're in. i mean, and i'm afraid we just have to accept it. so i quite enjoy the ministers all say, this is what we're going to do. you know, being punchy and getting out there and the tories are rubbish. but actually, in her case, i don't think they have to start off on a positive foot and i'd be very interesting what rosie duffield, the labour mp, has to say about lisa nandy culture war as well. >> meanwhile you out there saying martin lisa nandy doesn't know what day of the week it is, no bannau in mind. what a culture war is. and terry says lisa nandy will stoke the

culture wars. things are going to get much worse with her and doddsin to get much worse with her and dodds in charge. neither can define a woman and i'm sorry. that's what i keep coming back to as well. and lisa nandy did infamously say that if anyone disagreed with her on the trans women being women thing, they shouldn't be in the labour party. hello rosie duffield, give us a call right now. okay? we move on. three women were murdered yesterday and a woman is killed by a man every three days, on average in the uk. do we need to do more to protect women? it sounds like a stupid question. whether it's a lot more going on here and we're talking about

next. hello. welcome back. this is dewbs& co with me. dawn neesom. hope you're having a lovely evening out there. now. keeping me company until 7:00. is former editor of the sun, kelvin mackenzie. and journalist and commentator dutra da silva. now, in recent years, a woman has

been killed by a man every three days in the uk on average. also domestic abuse cases rise by up to 38% during major football events . so to 38% during major football events. so i'm asking to 38% during major football events . so i'm asking now, events. so i'm asking now, should we be doing more to protect women? and if we do think that, how do we even go about it? giuditta, i'm going to come to you first on this one i opened, i think it was the daily mail this week, and page after page seemed to be horrific news about women being victims of crime. yeah, and it was just utterly depressing. and the situation just does not seem to be getting any better. what on earth is happening? what can we do about it? >> i think it's, the kind of division of power because you can't really help women's issues if you don't intrinsically understand them. and when you think about when things like this happen, it always feels that the buck ends with the decision of a man. so to get legislature to get funding, to get action made, you have to go

the final point is always a man. so when you think like when they say the saying, the fish rots from the head, if you don't put women in positions of power. final decision making power, the infrastructure will never be reflective of the kind of protections women need. and i remember i was listening during the elections. i was listening to harriet harman, and she was saying when she first started as an mp, there were 20 women mps. now there are 223. and she's a big advocate for collective working together across the aisles for the betterment of the position of women in politics and in society. that's what it would take. >> i mean, kelvin, i'm not. obviously, you are the only male in the room at the moment, but when i when i was talking on social media about this yesterday, it was, saying sort of like, you know, not all men murder women. obviously they don't. but most women who are murdered are killed by men. i mean, that is a fact. it's a horrible fact , but it's true. horrible fact, but it's true. and i'm not having a go at men here. but some of the comments i got back from men were appalling. yeah, some women deserve it. that was actually a genuine quote . and someone said

genuine quote. and someone said to me, well, there's still a lot of you about meaning what exactly? and then obviously the other one i got a lot of was, well, more men are killed by men. what are you going to do about that? and it's like, yeah, missing the point. that's awful to get that. but that is awful. but what is it with some men that they can't? i mean, you know, men, men have wives, they have daughters, they have mothers. what is it with men that they can't see the issue that they can't see the issue that doesn't seem to be getting any better? >> well, i don't know. i can't speak, i can't speak for those kind of men who wrote those kinds of notes. and i wouldn't notes for you. and the thing that and we have a current case. look, i recognise that we can't go into into the detail of it, but we have a current case in which three women i don't, i can't i cannot remember the last time there was a three murders like that of this, of this sort, and, i think what you have to look at, you have to look at the

family. i mean, without going into it all, i mean, after all, the guy is actually in hospital. he's never been questioned. right. so there's no question that we're crossing into that line. but he has he has his relative, his his closest is his sibling, who is currently doing 30 years for murder. so this is one family with two, with two brothers who've turned out at one has actually been convicted. and the other one, seems to be in some way a suspect involved in some way a suspect involved in this. >> do you think we need tougher sentences for men who murder women ? women? >> well, if you take this case, regardless of who did it, who did this? this whoever killed these three ladies, right? is likely to go to jail for the rest of their lives. now, the current suspect is 26. that means 50 or 60 years with us paying means 50 or 60 years with us paying effectively. i read a piece of research on it the other day. it cost 50,000 a year to operate a cell. 50 years of this. that's £3 million. and

this. that's £3 million. and this guy gets fed three meals a day. he got a nice warm cell, right? that is our current justice system. and so, yes , so justice system. and so, yes, so our our issue is the following. should we actually be debating whether we should bring back the death penalty ? i mean, i death penalty? i mean, i recognise parliament is never going to allow it, but however parliament would never have allowed brexit. right. so a referendum might change all this. now i'm just i'm just saying i don't know who carried out this murder. right. >> as i say is a live case. >> and yeah, i don't know who carried it out. all i'm saying is that if somebody did, then in that case, should we be considering an area where we haven't considered it now for the thick end of what must be damn near 1890 years, do you data, do you think that's a reasonable opinion that maybe the death sentence for horrific murders of women and most women are murdered by men that they know either a partner or an

ex—partner? >> it's worth putting it on the table to debate it, >> it's worth putting it on the table to debate it , because table to debate it, because everything comes with its its pros and cons , and getting it pros and cons, and getting it wrong when it comes to the death penalty can be horrific. so that's something that needs a lot of debate. but i do think harsher sentencing, reviewing things like the statute of limitations. and also when you think about if a woman is a victim of a crime by a man, chances are she has to pick up the phone or go to a station or report it to a man that's already a second degree of trauma. that's why i say you have to have a filtration system that peppers women into every level of protections for women, because when you feel you don't have sanctuary to run to, when something horrible is done to you, you internalise it. and then this victim culture is perpetuated within female society where you just pass on generational trauma. right? >> well, i happen to know through , through through some through, through through some friendship groups, right, of a rape allegation that was made, and the, the people involved in

it, the police on the other side were women. they were by the way, spectacular. i mean, the women police officers in dealing in dealing with it. so i think you probably have a reasonable point that if a woman is facing some kind of violence at all, the last thing she wants to do is report it to another man, report it to another man. >> and the fact is that over the past four years, prosecutions for rape in england and wales have fallen by 70. many women, when they're asked about why they don't report their rapes, they don't report their rapes, they say they are they feel like they say they are they feel like they are not going to be listened to. they're not going to be believed, and they are going to be treated like the criminals. >> but even the people, the men you said you spoke to, when you you said you spoke to, when you you exist within a society where you exist within a society where you know, it's commonplace for victim blaming that, oh, why were you wearing this? why were you there? why do you talk like that? >> what are you expecting? >> what are you expecting? >> so what? you already begin from a position of what have i done wrong? to be a victim. so you've already stagnated the pool of justice and reform. and someone finding recourse for a remedy to what they've been

through. so the whole thing around is just the deck is stacked against women. you have to look at setting up society in such a way that you recognise what the position that women hold, which is one at a deficit, okay. and what they need in the outcome. >> so we're coming into a parliament. i think we're now where 40% of 40% of, of the parliament is now women, i think, which is the highest, highest number we ever had. do you believe that the and i think with the cabinet, they're trying to get to 50% of the cabinet, aren't they, i'm not sure what the number is. are we actually going to see our administration at the top level? are we actually going to see laws which are aimed towards your point? are we going to see it or are because i can't believe men are not going to block any of this stuff. so why so are we going to see laws and statutes which actually favour the area that you're worried about? >> i think that's what harriet harman's point was so good about. she says that there has

to be cross—party collaboration on issues that are directly affect women. well in that way it's going to be on the floor, people will be debating it. and once you put it out there, anyone, like you said, any male mp who then goes against it, you're jeopardising your own position because you're going against 51% of the population. >> so when jess phillips read out a list of murdered women over the past 12 months in parliament on international women's day, do you know how many male mps actually turned up to hear it? three. you've got some great comments coming in on this one, though, leslie says if women were killed by dogs every three days, we would do something about it. men are the only threat to women, and we do nothing. and keith says until such time as an appropriate deterrent exists, i.e. capital punishment , deterrent exists, i.e. capital punishment, nothing will change. life is becoming less valued with time. and andrew, it's a very interesting point, bearing in mind england are in the finals of the cup on sunday night. andrew says i used to work in accident emergency and we were always worried when england lost in a major football

competition because there would be a massive spike in domestic violence, which was always precipitated by alcohol . precipitated by alcohol. interesting views. please do keep them coming in and good. >> and another point i wanted to make is that beyond talking about what we need, one of the most valuable and powerful things we need is allies that are men who are willing to speak up and speak loudly. that's how change really happens . change really happens. >> yeah, well, we've got lots of lots of great comments coming from men tonight. sean, a lot of you getting in touch on this subject. sean says more should be done to protect women, but when you have people in power who downgrade what a woman even is a criminal justice system that gives pitiful sentences to rapists and the downgrading of services for biological women, what can we expect ? very, very what can we expect? very, very strong views on that one. but do keep them coming in. as i said, it's a strong debate and as we say, you know, football, it tends to be win or lose. we hit the booze and domestic violence spikes , as you've just heard spikes, as you've just heard there. so please do keep your views coming in. now we move on.

1 in 6 people in england are now on antidepressants, and if you read some of the stuff that's coming in on this one, you can probably understand why. but why are we so sad? or is there a case of just handed out to us us quiet

hello. welcome back. this is dewbs& co with me . dawn neesom. dewbs& co with me. dawn neesom. you might have spotted the difference. hope you're having a wonderful evening out there, keeping me company until 7:00. is former editor of the sun, kevin mckenzie. and journalist and commentator jul. sorry. teeth. back in juditha da silva. thank you very much . right. thank you very much. right. okay. now, new data from the nhs has confirmed that 1 in 6 people in england are now prescribed antidepressants. oh, dear. this is over 8 million people and shows a rise of 26% during the last ten years, so i'm asking,

have we actually become that depressed or are doctors over medicating us just to keep us quiet? really? i mean, giving us a tablet is cheaper than therapy after all, isn't it? calvin i mean, you are being an upbeat, sparkling type person. true. yeah, obviously are not on antidepressants, are you? >> i'm not. i'm not funnily. >> i'm not. i'm not funnily. >> why why are so many people giving them, well, if you turn up to a doctor and you say to them, i'm feeling down in the dumps because you know, something's happened, you know, something's happened, you know, some domestic aggro or the kids are causing me a problem, or i got fired from a job or made redundant or something like that. >> it would take them about two seconds for the gp to say , do seconds for the gp to say, do you need some help? and that is the code for yes . you need some help? and that is the code for yes. i'm feeling pretty low in life and here is i will take the tablet so i think one of the problems for a doctor is what does the doctor say when

they hear , you know, these they hear, you know, these issues connected with your mental stability? now why is it that we are all in a position every family, by the way , every every family, by the way, every single family will be able to say that one of their family or two of their family are on, or either have been or are currently on it. and i know through my wider family that actually it has been quite useful actually. funnily enough , useful actually. funnily enough, however, my question really is this really a justifiable , this really a justifiable, number? how can our country , how number? how can our country, how can our country function in this way ? what is it that's happened way? what is it that's happened to our country? are people trying it on? for instance, is this a prelude to, for instance, a some kind of sick on monday benefit? well, no benefit payments. you know of a and you get much more money out of, health sickness than you do out of straightforward unemployment. so unemployment benefits . so,

so unemployment benefits. so, you know, but what i can't get and what i'd be very interested if any of your viewers were doctors, would to explain why it is that they're not instant reaction , but their normal reaction, but their normal reaction, but their normal reaction is to say , this will reaction is to say, this will help you. >> i don't think it would be that simple, because you have to meet certain markers for a doctor to identify you as in need of prescription medication for a condition. it's it. would you would have. i think from my experience of people i've spoken to who are on them, you have to present with certain behaviours for a certain period of time for it to be a problem worthy of now getting medication, psychotherapy would be might have been suggested to you for you to take advantage of that . you to take advantage of that. are you? you need someone to speak to. do you have someone in the family? do you have someone near home? all of these would probably have been explored before. you get to the point, and the fact that so many people are meeting the threshold for medication, i can contest that i can contest that because about ten years ago i went to the doctor saying i felt run down.

>> i felt knackered all the rest of it. i i hadn't even ended my thought process right before i was effectively, effectively offered antidepressants. and i said , actually, funnily enough, said, actually, funnily enough, i don't i don't need any of that stuff. but thanks very much anyway for answering . i was anyway for answering. i was wondering whether i could just have a blood test. >> how about you see the fact that you've got the personality and social situation where when presented with medication, you could say no. someone who then would say yes probably is emotionally in a state where they do need it, because all a doctor can do is when you tell them your symptoms present you with options or what they would suggest could help you have the agency to say no . but if you are agency to say no. but if you are at a point where you think, yes, i want medication, you're probably in an emotional state where you do need that medication. >> do you do you think there's an issue here as well that it's cheaper and easier to prescribe a tablet than to get somebody on the waiting list for, for therapy? and we know sort of like social care and therapy services in this country are on their knees. we can't support

people that really, really desperately need it. so do you think it's just easier for doctors now? you've got ten minute appointments, give you some pills, go away. yes. >> i do think it does compound the problem, lack of funding. and that's why that also is one of the issues plaguing the nhs. because when you think about how much discourse exists about mental health, the infrastructure, a robustness of infrastructure, a robustness of infrastructure doesn't exist to actually help people with mental health issues. beyond the quick fix of take the medication. so hopefully statistics like this would be more would buoy them to say, let's revisit what we're doing. if you're overmedicating a population that might not need it. >> but what i don't understand is , is it getting worse because is, is it getting worse because the nhs is in such a state, or we are genuinely and this is actually i'm going to read this one out. so it's quite funny. james good evening james. only 1 in 6 dawn with a labour government. the numbers are surely rise here, here, here, here. >> i agree with that. >> i agree with that. >> and lynn says our, dawn mental health problems are the new bad back syndrome. and you do have to wonder, i must admit, and. yeah. and maggie, again, not a lot of not a lot of keir

starmer friends in the room here, it will probably be 1 in 3 on antidepressant by the time this government have failed it. but interestingly, adrian says, they ask you first about thoughts of harming yourself. lockdowns weren't good for us, yeah. interesting. >> see , that's the point i was >> see, that's the point i was making that any reputable , making that any reputable, responsible medical practitioner has to ask certain questions, and your responses will then give them an indication of whether you're you're you're the person who requires medication or something more . or something more. >> but does anybody actually believe that ? what was the believe that? what was the number 1 in 6,1 believe that? what was the number1 in 6,1 in believe that? what was the number 1 in 6,1 in 6. number1 in 6,1 in 6. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> were were so depressed by life that they are should be entitled to this this kind of treatment 8.7 million people in england alone. and you have to do is look at social media, social media is the most powerful entity that exists in society . society. >> anybody that is fair, just look at what people say, how

they say it. why is it that we have a gen—z late millennials and now gen a at the minute they feel an emotion, they feel the need to put on the camera and record it and put it out to the world because it's like what they say in psychology, when you have an external locus for self—evaluation, that's already a schism in your personality, but you find your value through other people , but other people other people, but other people don't know you. that already shows that you're presenting with a rather alternative mental state. >> but also you could also argue that actually social media has been very helpful in one respect in that the youngsters now want to be totally sober around social media and therefore they've given up alcohol. so you and the alcohol, as we have discussed earlier , is often the discussed earlier, is often the font of all, often the font of all troubles. they don't want to be seen, to be drunk. look, i buy this social media if you are sensitive, don't go on social media. right. which is why. which is why it plays to me. i absolutely love it. the idea of people being vile, it makes me

laugh. the idea that they're sitting there, you horrible little man. >> and if you're sensitive, if you are human, it might well, that may be my problem. affect you to different, varying degrees. but if anyone the strongest willed of people sat in front of a computer and just had a tirade of abuse at them constantly, it would get you. there would be a in that armour. >> plus, you're no disrespect to them. you're not exactly young anymore. and i think if you're seriously now, i tell you what someone ages ageism to say that disgraceful, but i mean, if you're a youngster and you are seeing all the stuff that's out there and you're comparing yourself to what you see, which is not real. yeah, it's i can understand that . but therapy is understand that. but therapy is the answer rather than pills. >> it is interesting that young people of a certain age, and i was thinking really about kind of 14 to 21, i suspect , of 14 to 21, i suspect, actually, if they don't see it on tiktok , it won't have on tiktok, it won't have happened. and that is an astonishing aspect of life. >> there were certain members of parliament who actually did their entire campaign on tiktok. >> did they? how did they do?

>> did they? how did they do? >> very, very well. did they? nigel farage has got one of the biggest followings on tiktok , biggest followings on tiktok, which is considerable considering he's not young ehhen considering he's not young either. to be fair. considering he's not young either. to be fair . sorry, either. to be fair. sorry, nigel. right now we move on, the talking of mps probably got ticked on account as well. the labour mp clive lewis swore his oath of allegiance to the king, but not before he could call for the abolition of the monarchy and called for a republic. i wonder what kelvin thinks about this one. stay tuned. go go too far. more coming up.

welcome back. this is dewbs& co with me . dawn neesom keeping you with me. dawn neesom keeping you company on until 7:00 tonight. now, i have a former editor of the sun, kelvin mackenzie, and a journalist and commentator , journalist and commentator, judnh journalist and commentator, judith da silva. and they are having a cracking debate tonight. it's great to have their company. it's great to have your company as well. now, our new mps have been sworn into parliament. yayi brilliant. which includes swearing

allegiance to the king is tradition. you know . however, tradition. you know. however, labour mp clive lewis decided to take his oath under protest by calling for the uk to become a republic. let's have a look at what he said. >> i take this oath under protest and in the hope that one day my fellow citizens will democratically decide to live in a republic. until that time, i do solemnly, sincerely and truly declare and affirm that i will be faithful and bear true allegiance to his majesty. king charles, according to law . charles, according to law. >> now, he's not the only one to do it. to be fair, i think there was an snp, member who who said he was, but didn't do it quite so dramatically. judith, what what do you make of this? i mean, he i mean, he has a right to do it. >> no, he has a right to express where he stands. because at the end of the day, when you look at the practicalities of the job and the position he occupies, he's in service of the people. he's not in service of the

singular individual that is the monarch. so he can say what he said, that he doesn't. he's in protest. he doesn't really , protest. he doesn't really, actually, technically need to vow to allegiance to the crown. he doesn't serve the singular crown. he serves the people of britain. he he should swear allegiance to them. so on merit, he should say what he says is valid. and there were other people who showed protest scottish, irish, welsh in their own way. so lasering in on him isn't isn't fair because he represents a sentiment that's very prevalent in the country. >> but he's also, by the way, the thing i'm confused about here, kelvin is also served in the army. >> okay, he was not an officer, an officer, which meant he had to swear allegiance, >> why did he not have a problem with that? but has a problem with that? but has a problem with this? was he being a bit of a i, i presume? >> well, he's a massive outsider, even within the labour party. let's be honest with you. i mean, there are hundreds. i think there are 102. government payroll jobs. and he wouldn't be offered one if there were if there were 502 payroll jobs. nobody wants clive lewis. so the

only way he can get 90 grand a year as it is. well, they were the only reason. the only reason he does that kind of thing is to gain himself some publicity. well, unfortunately, he's also talking against the tide. i mean, i, as you pointed out, so generously, i am somewhat older than both of you guys. and. right. and i have seen the monarchy, the monarchy go up , monarchy, the monarchy go up, down, sideways and whatever currently , the, the republic currently, the, the republic drive in our country has never been smaller. right. i think i think with kate not being well, perhaps with with charles not being well, there's a whole series of reasons, to be honest with you, where and having seen so much political turmoil in our country that actually people feel thank god we have a king or a queen or a princess, rather than having, i don't know , john than having, i don't know, john prescott or heseltine as a president . so he is actually president. so he is actually sitting outside , i think, sitting outside, i think, mainstream debate right now. look, it's free speech. he's he

can do it. he can do it. and he has done it. but the thing is that are we do we really have to give up our time to discuss, somebody quite at the bottom end of the political. >> yeah. you do, because he represents an opinion that a lot of people in the country do share. >> not a lot. not a lot. >> but then when you think about whenever there is not a lot of events. >> no, i don't agree with the lot. >> i agree that people do have it, but this is how it this is how it begins. when you other the opinion of free thinking citizens, you constantly tell them that you feel they have no value. that is how you stimulate a motivation for it to grow. because at the end of the day, like what you have to understand is that tide is shifting, generations are changing. younger people do not see the value in the monarchy that older generations do. and he is speaking to honestly. >> that is, i'd like to see. i'd like to see some polling on that. no, that's a disgraceful thing to say . that. no, that's a disgraceful thing to say. that's a disgraceful thing to say that the young people in this country are as as loyal to the crown, i

suspect, as even somebody like me. >> i said a lot of that's something i always listen to. the things i actually say. i'm not all the young people do not see the same value in the monarchy that older people do, because it comes to a history that they haven't lived themselves. >> not yet. not yet. >> not yet. not yet. >> if you do not recognise the opinion they have, you've seen the way that the younger generation acts. they don't. they do not react well to being told that they are less than or their opinion is irrelevant. >> well, i think i'm talking about it's irrelevant by percentage. i'm talking about . percentage. i'm talking about. it's irrelevant by percentage. >> they may be small now, but numbers can no no no no no it hasn't grown. >> it's actually it's actually got smaller that if you make people feel their opinion is irrelevant because you do not like it, you give them the motivation to make that. well actually actually i have i look upon this argument as irrelevant, but however in your opinion, which is fine. that's right . and actually mine is. right. and actually mine is. mine is a view which valuating

it as irrelevant. >> we'll find that offensive. >> we'll find that offensive. >> well, i don't care whether if they are offended, i'd be delighted, actually. and it won't make the slightest bit of difference to the numbers. the numbers currently are actually very pro the royal family. there have been other times when they haven't been. >> i think we're running out of time , unfortunately. david, i'll time, unfortunately. david, i'll give you the final say on this. david. he cannot take the oath as he has already said. he doesn't agree with it. so how can he be insincere if you're one of his constituents? i'd be interested to see what you think about this one as well. and someone said, jim starmer needs to show some leadership and get rid of him straight away. well that's it, we'll run out of time. thank you forjoining us. time. thank you for joining us. and thanks to jo white and kelvin up next. again, we can't get rid of him is martin daubney. here he is. see you. thanks for watching. have a good evening. don't a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on gb. >> news . >> news. >> news. >> hello. good evening. welcome to your latest gb news weather

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