memorial. i think. now . now. i. >> well, i hope you've enjoyed the sights and sounds of the 12th of july here with us in carrickfergus today. we certainly have enjoyed being here. i'm delighted to have been here. i'm delighted to have been here with doctor gavin hughes, andindeed here with doctor gavin hughes, and indeed with dougie and with charlie lawson. and i hope you have a wonderful rest of the day. wherever you're watching. enjoy the 12th of july.

this is another large band coming towards us now. >> clyde valley . another big >> clyde valley. another big colour party. colour parties have really become a thing. now that, you know, it's not enough to have a really good band. >> you need to know. >> you need to know. >> and it used to be that they might have i or 2 at the front of a of a of a band, but now it seems to me that you get, you know, 4 or 5, six at the front.

and here's gavin's family. there we go . i think we're staying on we go. i think we're staying on air to just satisfy your desire to keep the loud backdrop. >> just to hear the drummer's call. yeah, yeah . call. yeah, yeah. i think we're now, going to have last chance to see dougie and charlie. >> are you there, guys .7

>> are you there, guys.7 no, they don't appear to be. >> yeah, well . hello, arlene. >> yeah, well. hello, arlene. yes? >> yeah, well. hello, arlene. yes.7 we're >> yeah, well. hello, arlene. yes? we're down at the seafront , yes? we're down at the seafront, just, hanging about, and, one old fella met another old fella. >> what do you mean? i'm the young fella, and i'm the . money. young fella, and i'm the. money. >> so, sammy. why? why carrickfergus? what does this bnng carrickfergus? what does this bring to the community? >> well, i mean, first of all, it's historic. after all, this is where king william landed the castle behind us. and what better place to celebrate? what he achieved for our country? because today we're still living with the freedoms that the glorious revolution brought to the united kingdom , and also the united kingdom, and also with the other. >> sammy was fascinated by dougie's live pieces that he's been doing for gb news about the massachusetts, etcetera, etcetera , and the williamites etcetera, and the williamites and all that. it's fascinating history. i think it's brilliant

coming here, you know, getting away. we need to get let's not concentrate everything up the road where the cranes are. you've got carrickfergus and all these places we need to get to every 12th. and i think it's brilliant. i'm enjoying myself immensely. >> and you can also see for the community. look at the crowds that are here lining the roads , that are here lining the roads, people having a great day, enjoying their culture, enjoying a bit of our history and enjoying all the bands and the fun that goes with it. >> i wouldn't have it be a journalist without asking the question. those freedoms that we enjoy is that still with the windsor framework document? >> no, no. and i mean, that's that's one of the problems. our freedoms are gradually being eroded by people who don't appreciate just how much it is to have sovereignty over your own country . own country. >> that's why it's great for, believe me, for gb news to be doing this, because people in england, you know, they'd switch on and they watch and they go, really ? you know what i mean? really? you know what i mean? they don't realise that. what a great, great country we have here, sammy. so fair play to you. well, there you go, arlene. >> sorry to bring politics into

it, but, that's that's us from the seafront. we'll go up a little bit more very shortly to see who else we can gather up. >> so we've just heard there from sammy wilson, who's the member of parliament for this area. he must be very proud today to see the huge crowds out here watching the 12th of july. well, thank you so much for joining us. we've run over a little bit because we wanted to keep you here with us in carrickfergus. thank you so much for being with us. thank you. i hope you have enjoyed the coverage. tom and emily are next. tom and emily, what do you have for us today? >> oh, arlene, thank you so much for bringing us that wonderful parade. it's been brilliant, brilliant, brilliant stuff to see. but my goodness me, what a busy show do we have for you? of course, we'll be having the very latest on the crossbow suspect that, that suspect arrested now in the last couple of hours. plus the man who has been found guilty of plotting to kidnap holly willoughby. he'll be sentenced. >> he indeed

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>> good afternoon. britain. it's 12:00 on friday, the 12th of july. i'm tom harwood, and i'm emily carver. >> it is actually 1209. don't want to confuse you. >> deaths in the channel. four more migrants have died after attempting to cross the dangerous 26 mile shipping lane thatis dangerous 26 mile shipping lane that is the english channel. we'll have the very latest from france and ask if smashing the gangsis france and ask if smashing the gangs is really a viable strategy. now to save lives and will joe go as the leader of the free world confuses vladimir zelenskyy for vladimir putin and calls kamala harris vice president trump ? president trump? >> panic is spreading across capitol hill with leading democrats now thinking the unthinkable . unthinkable. >> bridge body bag . police >> bridge body bag. police released an image of a male

suspect after two suitcases containing human body parts were found on clifton suspension bridge in bristol. we'll have the latest . the latest. >> and the man found guilty of hatching a depraved plot to kidnap, rape and murder tv presenter holly willoughby is being sentenced today. he could face life imprisonment. we're live at the court . live at the court. >> well, to our top story today, four migrants have died while crossing the english channel, capsizing off the northern french coast near boulogne sur mer this evening. this morning ? mer this evening. this morning? rather, yes. >> and, according to french coastguard 63 migrants were rescued in the operation, a tragic event which the home secretary has called truly awful . secretary has called truly awful. >> this is just the latest in what have been a number of deaths this year. and although

the weather has not been, perhaps what you would expect for july, we have seen increased forjuly, we have seen increased numbers of crossings and particularly heavily laden boats. >> yes, absolutely . and of >> yes, absolutely. and of course, these are the first deaths in the channel under the new government. so are keir starmer will have to set out to the country how he's going to change this as we're seeing more and more deaths in the english channel as people make this treacherous journey. at the moment we know the policy is to smash the gangs. of moment we know the policy is to smash the gangs . of course, that smash the gangs. of course, that will take time and there is some doubt over whether that will be efficient way in stopping these crossings. anyway, so lots of questions to be asked of the government, how they're going to prevent future deaths in the channel. >> experts that we've spoken to have said that smashing the gangsis have said that smashing the gangs is rather like playing whack a mole, because this is such a lucrative industry. as soon as you go after one gang, perhaps you'll be successful in shutting it down. but just as

we've seen in the drug war, another issue where the government has tried to shut down what are deeply lucrative operations, others simply pop back up. is this going to be a never ending issue? is there going to be a need, as 15 eu countries have now accepted, to have some sort of third country deterrent, some sort of operation of offshore processing? of course, the rwanda deterrent has been scrapped by this government. big questions as to whether that would have worked in the first place, whether the scale of it was large enough. but also with nothing to replace it, nothing there instead, other than this proposed policy to smash the gangs to seek legal routes as well. is that enough ? well. is that enough? >> yes. as it stands, there does not seem to be a deterrent policy. there isn't one. in labour's manifesto, we'll be heanng labour's manifesto, we'll be hearing more , i'm sure, in the hearing more, i'm sure, in the coming days from yvette cooper, the now home secretary, and sir keir starmer to do we need a

deterrent. is it enough, as tom says , to just go after the says, to just go after the gangs? is it enough? >> well, we're going to cross stateside now because it's been another day with another couple of gaffes from joe biden as the us president made this particular mistake pretty awful mistake when welcoming welcoming ukraine's president zelenskyy onto the stage at the nato summit yesterday evening. >> and now i want to hand it over to the president of ukraine, who has as much courage as he has determination, ladies and gentlemen, president putin. >> and if that wasn't bad enough, when asked a question about his vice president, kamala harris, he had this to say i wouldn't have picked vice president trump to be vice president. >> did i think she was not qualified to be president? so let's start there . let's start there. >> of course, he was referring to kamala harris rather than trump, but he seemed to get the names confused. of course, joe biden is no stranger to gaffes.

what about the time he tried to shake hands with someone at the end of a speech who was not there before seemingly aimlessly wandering around the stage? >> or perhaps when he had to be effectively herded back to the group of world leaders here by italy's giorgia meloni. then, after he wandered off at the g7 summit, g7 summit just last month, joe biden continues to insist that he will be the democrat candidate at november's presidential election. >> but after these latest gaffes just how much longer can he go on? >> well, let's get more on this now with gb news reporter charlie peters. i mean, charlie, we could have gone on for hours showing all the all the gaffes from president joe biden. it does seem as though the democrats are turning on him now . democrats are turning on him now. >> 20 have now publicly called on him to stand down, and some of their words passed the torch onto a new presidential nominee for the upcoming november

presidential elections. 20 congressional democrats, one senator peter welch from vermont, among them. and it comes amid quite a ginormous narrative collapse for the democrats on biden's cognitive ability. >> now, you've just shown two previous gaffes that the president has made in recent months. >> but for many years now , >> but for many years now, concerns have been raised about biden's capacity to operate effectively. >> if he's too not tired, he's been nicknamed sleepy joe. of course , by his likely course, by his likely challenger. >> in november. from the republican side, donald trump . republican side, donald trump. >> but the democrat side in the media and indeed his allies in congress, have repeatedly said that this is a sort of a right wing lie. but since the 27th of june, that big debate with donald trump termed as a disaster by many of his allies, i mean , biden's team and i mean, biden's team and himself, he said, i had a bad night . that narrative has gone night. that narrative has gone away. the democrats have avoided defending him as much as before. many senators who aren't saying

anything in public are using sort of mealy mouth language about his status, saying it's up to biden to do what he does and we'll see what he can get on with. and while it comes to his allies, we've shown that clip of him referring to kamala harris as vice president trump. let's take another clip at some of his cabinet who were filmed reacting to that moment. >> i wouldn't have picked vice president trump to be vice president. did i think she was not qualified to be president? so let's start there . number one. >> well , you've got secretary of >> well, you've got secretary of state antony blinken there for those listening on the radio. >> you've also got lloyd austin, the defence secretary, and the third in jake sullivan, the national security advisor, lloyd austin. >> to his credit, he's steely eyed throughout. >> but you can see a sort of gasp >> but you can see a sort of gasp almost from blinken. he looks down, almost in shame, but jake sullivan covers his chin. he's a if to i had play poker against any of them, i'd play against any of them, i'd play against jake sullivan. he gives away his feeling very clearly . away his feeling very clearly. it's obvious now, isn't it, that

those close to biden are extremely concerned, but he's vowing to fight on. >> but the issue here, of course, is, as you talk about the narrative, of course, everyone remembers george w bush making all sorts of gaffes throughout his career. but but they weren't connected to a narrative of cognitive decline . narrative of cognitive decline. it's now potentially the case that things that biden would have got away with ten years ago, because everyone misspeaks every now and again. but but it's almost like he now needs to be whiter than white. he has to be whiter than white. he has to be far more fluent than you'd expect on average, because every little thing will now be leapt upon because it fits this broader narrative. you might say people are very generous. >> people are being more focused on these areas than perhaps they have been in recent months and years, because it's become so obvious that omerta has broken. >> they have to talk about it. and on that particular point of how he's pushing back on the narrative against this view of cognitive decline needing to be whiter than white. and many critics are saying that he's

actually opening himself up for more attacks. i mean, last night in this press conference, termed a make or break press for conference biden afterjune 27th, he told a reporter that he needs to pace himself better and that he's been going full bore since that debate . he's held since that debate. he's held rallies in wisconsin and in pennsylvania, but it's important to stress that those rallies have been with a teleprompter. he's been guided at the nato summit, the opening three nights ago, he was reading a speech from a teleprompter again when he's coming to do press conferences unaided, unguided . conferences unaided, unguided. that's when you're finding more of these gaffes and keir starmer was asked the prime minister was asked about his cognitive abilities. >> wasn't he . well, yeah. >> wasn't he. well, yeah. >> wasn't he. well, yeah. >> keir starmer said he's not senile, which is not exactly a ringing endorsement for the us president. but at the same time, there's also been an interesting contrast display between the labour policy on the house of lords. anyone over 80 should step down. president joe biden is 81. do labour think that he's up to the task ? up to the task? >> yeah, very, very interesting that there seems to be a bit of

cognitive dissonance there with the leadership of the labour party. charlie peters, for now, thank you very much indeed. >> right. we can get more analysis from the founding director of the ucl centre on us politics, doctor thomas gift, thomas , thank you very much for thomas, thank you very much for joining us again, you just saw that sequence of quite recent gaffes. i think it's got to be said, the most recent was a clanger and a half . clanger and a half. >> well, it's great to be with you, emily. >> thanks so much for having me. you know, i actually think that last night was kind of the worst of all worlds for democrats because biden had enough flubs that it certainly won't reassure critics. but it was good enough when he was talking about foreign policy, for example, and how the united states is going to deal with china and russia that he could plausibly make a case for staying in the race. and so we still seem to be in this purgatory where everyone's asking, will he stay? will he go? everyone as tom mentioned, does make mistakes in talking sometimes, but because it does fit into this narrative of cognitive decline, everything's

magnified. >> and yet we're starting to see perhaps the biggest, problem for biden senior democrats on the hill both saying explicitly now, but also perhaps implicitly, i'm talking about, for example, tim kaine , the former vice kaine, the former vice presidential nominee for the democrats, still a senator, of course, who was saying , well, course, who was saying, well, joe biden needs to do the patriotic thing , although, of patriotic thing, although, of course, not explaining what the patriotic thing is. there are lots of people who are sort of choosing very delicate forms of words , almost hedging their words, almost hedging their bets, which is clearly, deeply destabilising. >> absolutely. and i do think that we're seeing an escalation here. so first, it was democrats talking in private and just rumours and speculation about asking biden to step down. now we're seeing some rank and file lawmakers on capitol hill saying more explicitly that they think that biden should pass the torch. and i think the last place that we could end is

leadership , senior leadership. leadership, senior leadership. and so if the speaker of the house, for example, or former speaker nancy pelosi comes out very strongly and says, look , very strongly and says, look, this is just not a viable presidency, i think that could be the straw that breaks the camel's back . camel's back. >> yes. what nancy pelosi has had to say so far is, a little bit confusing , isn't it? because bit confusing, isn't it? because she suggested suggested that he still has a decision to make. yet joe biden has made it very clear that he's made that decision. what really was nancy saying there ? saying there? >> well, i think she was saying, joe, it's time to go . but i joe, it's time to go. but i absolutely agree with you, which is that she keeps saying biden needs to make a decision. and that's what other democrats are saying. but he has he he has made a decision. it's just not the decision that she likes. so i think she's holding out hope that biden, changes his tune. >> it does really feel like the sort of sands are shifting in this whole situation, and that we could be in for a pretty busy, late july and early august

for, for senior democrats. but for, for senior democrats. but for now, founding director of the ucl centre on us politics, doctor thomas. jeff, really appreciate your thoughts and indeed your expertise . indeed your expertise. >> thank you very much. now, coming up, we're going to be live at the sentencing of gavin plum. this is over the holly willoughby rape and murder plot. this is good afternoon britain. we're on gb news, britain's news channel

>> good afternoon. britain. it's 12:25 now. four migrants have died today whilst crossing the engush died today whilst crossing the english channel, capsizing off the northern french coast near boulogne sur mer early this morning . morning. >> yes. according to french coastguard, 63 migrants were rescued in the operation, a tragic event which the home secretary has called, truly

awful. now we know in recent days that the numbers crossing that channel, despite a bit of, well, a bit of weather really have been increasing. this is the first deaths now in the channel since we've had a labour government. >> and it does just go to show that there are some genuine policy questions now about what happens. is it enough to simply say we'll smash the gangs because people are still attempting this treacherous crossing? >> indeed. well, we're going to. okay. well, yes . so there's lots okay. well, yes. so there's lots of questions, aren't there really, for the government now, they don't want the rwanda deterrent. they don't believe that would have worked. they think it's immoral, they think it's too costly, etc, etc. but how do you solve this crisis without one? >> and to be fair to the government, what they're saying is they need perhaps international solutions. they're going to look to talk to agreements with european partners and that that may well be part of the solution here.

but there is a big question. many experts have said a deterrent is needed, as well as all of the international cooperation. and perhaps we're only going to see a one pronged rather than a two pronged strategy here. >> well , yes, strategy here. >> well, yes, but in other strategy here. >> well , yes, but in other news, >> well, yes, but in other news, in order to ease the ever growing crisis in the criminal justice system, sir keir starmer is set to approve the early release of thousands of what they call low risk prisoners, with police chiefs warning that inaction would lead to a breakdown of law and order within weeks. >> well, these emergency measures are designed to reduce overcrowding in prisons after a number of available cells in men's prisons fell below 700. although those convicted of violent , sexual or terrorism violent, sexual or terrorism related offences are expected to be excluded from these early releases . releases. >> okay, well, let's get more on this now with gb news, home and security editor mark white. mark, can you please explain this policy ? this policy? >> well, the policy that we're

expecting to be announced will be a policy that will allow for the earlier release of those serving prison terms of less than four years who are not sexual or violent offenders. and it's believed that the government will announce how there are 45 or a 40% serving of a sentence would be the point at which they can be released on licence at the moment, for those on four or fewer years of a determinate sentence, he can be released after halfway through 50% of their sentence. now. interesting. we've just had the ministry of justice population statistics for the prison estate for the past week released. they show that there are currently 87,500 plus prisoners in the prison estate out of a capacity of just under 89,000. it works

out at just over 1400 available places. now, that might seem like a lot, but actually that can be swallowed up in just a few days, it's so changeable. so it's not the kind of space that really they require. they require a good few thousand less than that for it to be workable . than that for it to be workable. and that's why the government is having to come up with this, crisis, this emergency solution. but there's a great deal of concern about who is going to be released. and there will be assurances required, not least from the former justice secretary. robert buckland, who has said that he wants assurances that there will not be any violent or sexual offenders released in this new scheme. this is what he told us earlier. >> i have to interrupt you here because we're going to go over to chelmsford crown court , where

to chelmsford crown court, where gavin plum is being sentenced for the kidnap plot of tv presenter holly willoughby. >> when david nelson asked you whether she was , quote, going to whether she was, quote, going to be returned close quote , you be returned close quote, you said no . later in the exchange, said no. later in the exchange, when david nelson asked what would happen when you were, quote, done, close quote, you said, quote, slit her throat cleaner out and dispose of her close quote. later still in the exchange, you made it clear that when you were finished, the plan was to slit her throat washer and bleach and dump her body in and bleach and dump her body in a lake. you introduced the idea of murdering miss willoughby into your exchanges with david nelson, and you clearly sought to persuade him to participate in this part of the plan, whether it was to be david nelson who actually slit her throat or you doing so with his participation , assistance or participation, assistance or encouragement. that is the basis of your conviction for

soliciting murder just for those on radio right now. >> there may be some distressing content here. >> david nelson, what you're saying that you had another potential victim, to quote , potential victim, to quote, practice close quote on, namely a neighbour of yours. you sent images of your neighbour to david nelson. you also suggested . david nelson. you also suggested. >> well, this, feed is obviously suspended for legal reasons. we will be returning to the sentencing of the man that has been found guilty of this kidnap plot of tv presenter holly willoughby. as soon as those legal restrictions are lifted. but of course , this is a deeply but of course, this is a deeply distressing case. it seems that there has been an enormous amount of consternation over it. we will, of course, be returning to that, but first, let's get your very latest news headlines to prove that you were serious. >> are.

>> are. >> good afternoon. it's 1230. i'm sophia wenzler in the gb newsroom . a 26 year old man has newsroom. a 26 year old man has been arrested on suspicion of the murders of three women in hertfordshire. 61 year old carol hunt and her two daughters, 25 year old louise and hannah, who's 28, were attacked at their home in bushey, hertfordshire. police say the main suspect has been treated for injuries in hospital since then, but was only arrested today. he remains in a serious condition . the in a serious condition. the deaths of four migrants in the engush deaths of four migrants in the english channel are truly awful, the home secretary has said. yvette cooper's comments came as the migrants drowned after their boat capsized. the french coast guard says more than 60 people were reported to be on the boat off the northern coast near boulogne. latest home office figures show 419 people made the journey across the channel from

france to the uk in six boats on tuesday . well, let's now cross tuesday. well, let's now cross back over to chelmsford crown court, where a man is being sentenced for the kidnap plot and plot of tv presenter holly willoughby . willoughby. >> foreign images in other words, images that had been digitally manipulated to impose miss willoughby's face on the body of another woman in a pornographic situation . at the pornographic situation. at the trial, the jury saw over 900 whatsapp messages that you exchanged with mark between 28th december 2021 and 7th of june 2023. the messages included both text messages and voice notes . text messages and voice notes. many of the voice notes were played for the jury . it many of the voice notes were played for the jury. it appeared from the messages that mark was irish, lived in ireland and had previously been convicted and sentenced for stalking a woman. dufing sentenced for stalking a woman. during your exchanges with mark, you exchanged numerous images of miss willoughby. mostly genuine,

but at least one deep fake porn image as well as images of other women, including porn images showing women tied up and or wearing gags. showing women tied up and or wearing gags . you also discussed wearing gags. you also discussed plans to kidnap, rape and otherwise physically abused miss willoughby with mark. many of the messages about what you plan to do to miss willoughby were so horrifying, shocking and graphic in detail that they were not read out in open court. the jury, read out in open court. the jury, however, read every single message during the trial . message during the trial. accredited members of the press were also given access to the full set of messages during the trial. during your exchanges, you boasted to mark about your own convictions for your offences, in 2006 and 2008, as when you boasted to david nelson, i am sure that you did this in order to make clear to mark that you were not a fantasist, but someone who had a

proven record of sexually motivated violence against women , motivated violence against women, and that you intended to carry out the offences that you were discussing with him against miss willoughby . quite a bit of your willoughby. quite a bit of your chat with mark was devoted to the pragmatic details of planning the abduction and rape of miss willoughby, including reference to others with whom you were discussing your plans and whom you hoped to recruit to participate in it. and whom you hoped to recruit to participate in it . as dc belsham participate in it. as dc belsham told us during the trial, the police were not able to recover the full set of all of your exchanges with any others who may have, with whom you may have been discussing these matters , been discussing these matters, but you make numerous statements dunng but you make numerous statements during the nearly 18 months of your whatsapp exchanges with mark that indicate the seriousness of your intent and your disappointment that others whom you had tried to recruit .

whom you had tried to recruit. got cold feet on the 29th of december, 2021, for example, mark asked you quote , what's the mark asked you quote, what's the closest you got to holly close quote. you responded, quote, planning to track her movements. the last guy pulled out then told me it's just fantasy. despite finding out all the information we did on her close quote during the trial, there was evidence of your chats about miss willoughby with others on the kick app, including persons with the user names. the kick app, including persons with the user names . quote dave with the user names. quote dave tomcat, close quote quote josh green 977. close quote quote. carisbrooke one close quote and quote. dubliner 1975 close quote. dubliner1975 close quote. dubliner1975 close quote. these four were saved in your phone's contacts as dave, tom, josh, green, alfie noakes and mark b respectively . during and mark b respectively. during your exchanges with mark, you referred to conversations with others about your plan to abduct miss willoughby , including miss willoughby, including persons referred to as ryan , rob

persons referred to as ryan, rob or which may be a reference to ryan rob or some third person tab 00k and k and quote the other guy. close quote . on 17th other guy. close quote. on 17th february 2022, you referred to having five persons in total. quote on board close quote to carry out your home invasion plan, including mark and you. by 28th march 2022, you were back down to three persons, mark ryan and you. and you said ryan, quote, was getting cold feet close quote . in june 2022, you close quote. in june 2022, you were discussing getting a new crew together throughout the nearly 18 months of your whatsapp exchanges with mark, you refer to your discussions with others about your plan with you often expressing disappointment that someone you had thought was seriously interested had got cold feet or indeed had blocked you on the relevant app . you discussed with

relevant app. you discussed with mark on whatsapp many of the same topics and details of your home invasion and abduction plan that you later discussed with david nelson. these included miss willoughby's home address and how best to access it . and how best to access it. restraint of miss willoughby and her husband using ropes, cable ties and other items from your restraint kit and the use of chloroform to incapacitate them. it was during this period that you purchased online the rope, the metal cable ties, the utility folding knife and the two bottles of chloroform. on the 6th of may, 2023, you sent mark the same video showing your restraint kit that you later sent to david nelson on the 14th of may, 2023, you sent two photos to mark of various realistic looking imitation firearms available for purchase online. although there's no evidence that you actually did purchase them . you carried out purchase them. you carried out various web searches on chloroform that were primarily concerned with the legality of purchasing or owning it, and its inability to incapacitate a person. the police subsequently

discovered. upon analysis of the contents of the bottles, which were unopened when the police seized them, that they did not in fact contain any detectable level of chloroform, but only ethanol and water. you, however, clearly believed that you had purchased chloroform when you bought them online from a homeopathic pharmacy . your claim homeopathic pharmacy. your claim in your evidence that you had bought the chloroform to clean a stubborn stain on your living room carpet, was a particularly clumsy and obvious lie . at clumsy and obvious lie. at various times during your whatsapp exchange with mark, you discussed looking for an abandoned property outside of london where you could hold miss willoughby . on one occasion in willoughby. on one occasion in june 2022, you forwarded to mark a photograph that had been sent to you of a room on an abandoned stud farm that you thought might be suitable for this purpose . be suitable for this purpose. one particularly deeply unpleasant aspect of your exchanges with mark, which did not appear in your exchange

exchanges with david nelson, was your discussion of restraining miss willoughby's children and using her fear for their safety as leverage with which to control her. your exchanges with mark, together with your exchanges with david nelson and related evidence form the factual basis for your offences of encouraging or assisting the commission of the offences of kidnap and rape, with the intention that these offences be committed . you have previously committed. you have previously been convicted of sexually motivated offences against women , motivated offences against women, as i've already mentioned, involving the threat of violence and or unlawful restraint . on and or unlawful restraint. on the 14th of august 2006, when you were 19 years old, you approached a young woman on the stansted express and gave her a note saying that you had a gun and that she was to get off at the next stop with you, or you would shoot her yourself and everyone else. other passengers

noficed everyone else. other passengers noticed her distress and you got off the train at stansted mountfitchet. two days later, you approached another young woman on the stansted express and gave her a note saying that you were a police officer and that she was to get off with you at the next stop for a quick chat. close quote. she refused and you got off at the next stop and you got off at the next stop and sat on the platform where the police found you. later that day and arrested you. when arrested, you were found to have on you an imitation firearm and three rope ligatures . on the three rope ligatures. on the 16th of march, two thousand and seven, for these offences of attempted kidnapping to which you had pleaded guilty , you were you had pleaded guilty, you were sentenced to a term of imprisonment of 12 months, suspended for two years, with supervision and activity requirements. on the 11th of december, 2008, when you were 21, while you were working at woolworths in harlow, you approached 216 year old girls who were also working there with

a box cutter or stanley knife type instrument, and you threatened them, telling them to get to the back of the stock room after failing to untangle a piece of rope that you had intended to use , you took out intended to use, you took out some tape and began to bind the hands of one of the girls behind her back. the other girl escaped and the alarm was raised . the and the alarm was raised. the police attended and you were arrested on the 15th of june, 2009 for these offences of false imprisonment to which you had pleaded guilty. you were sentenced to a term of imprisonment of 32 months. there is no offence specific sentencing council guideline in relation to any of these offences. i have had regard to the guidelines on overarching principles and totality in relation to the offence of soliciting murder. i have

considered the decisions of the court of appeal referred to in the sentencing note provided by the sentencing note provided by the prosecution, and by the defence. i bear in mind, however, the facts of those cases are quite different to this one, i have had some limited regard to the guideline on attempted murder. however, i bearin on attempted murder. however, i bear in mind the decision of the court of appeal in the crown and franks. which delineates the clear differences between those two offences in relation to the offence of encouraging or assisting the offence of kidnap. ibearin assisting the offence of kidnap. i bear in mind, in relation to the underlying offence of kidnapping , the principles kidnapping, the principles summarised by the court of appeal in the crown and saqib saqib , in relation to the saqib, in relation to the offence of encouraging or assisting the offence of rape. i've had regard to the sentencing council guideline on

rape , given that all three of rape, given that all three of your offences were part of a single plan to kidnap, rape and murder holly willoughby, the correct approach in this case is to pass concurrent sentences that reflect the totality of your offending . although not all your offending. although not all of the detail of the plan discussed by you with mark over the course of 18 months was discussed with david nelson dunng discussed with david nelson during the 30 hours or so of your kik message exchanges with him the plan that you revealed to david nelson was in its fundamentals. the plan discussed with mark. accordingly, in assessing culpability and harm , assessing culpability and harm, of your offence of soliciting murder. i've had regard to the evidence about the plan that emerges from the whatsapp exchanges between you and mark, the key point in this regard is that the plan to murder miss hollow, miss willoughby, was the end point of a plan developed

over a considerable time to kidnap and falsely imprison her for the principal purpose of raping and otherwise sexually abusing her over a sustained penod abusing her over a sustained period of time. in ways that, judging by your discussions with mark, would have been particularly sadistic, brutal and degrading . the plan was in and degrading. the plan was in short, the context in which you solicited david nelson to murder or assist you in murdering miss willoughby . or assist you in murdering miss willoughby. i have or assist you in murdering miss willoughby . i have no hesitation willoughby. i have no hesitation in concluding that each of your three offences is one of very high culpability. having in regard in particular to the sexual motivation of your offending and your intention to inflict extreme and gratuitous degradation on your victim . the degradation on your victim. the intended harm of each offence was in each case of the highest category for the relevant offence . there is no doubt that

offence. there is no doubt that if you had genuinely found one or more accomplices who were seriously interested and had been willing to join you in carrying your plan through, then you would have put this plan into action. turning to the aggravating factors in this case, and taking care to avoid double counting, i find that your offences are aggravated by the following factors a your pnor the following factors a your prior convictions for violent , prior convictions for violent, sexually motivated offences against women by way of attempted kidnap and false imprisonment. b the lengthy and detailed planning of your intended offences against miss willoughby over the course of nearly two years. c the purchase of items to be used in the commission of the offences, including your restraint kit, a knife and chloroform. d the research you conducted into the personal life of miss willoughby . personal life of miss willoughby. e the fact that you sought to encourage more than one person to commit these offences with

you . f the fact that you you. f the fact that you intended to commit these offences in miss willoughby's home, to and involve her husband and children, and to harm them. and g your plan to carry one or more knives to the scene, to be used in the attack, and to be used in the attack, and to be used to murder miss willoughby . used to murder miss willoughby. i do find that there is some mitigation in this. i do find that there is some mitigation in this . case. a your mitigation in this. case. a your plan was unlikely to succeed given, number one, your physical limitations, in particular your gross obesity and the accompanying physical aspects, health aspects of that. secondly your lack of a car and a driving licence. although i note that you were taking driving licence, driving lessons and having no driving lessons and having no driving licence would not have prevented you from driving miss willoughby's car. and thirdly,

the difficulty you would have had in practice of bringing miss willoughby to your own flat, undetected and your lack of any alternative premises in which to keep her. although you had researched various possibilities . researched various possibilities. i note, however, in relation to this . point, i note, however, in relation to this. point, namely the unlikeliness of your offences succeeding your intended offences succeeding that the essence of your offences was the soliciting of murder by another , soliciting of murder by another, and the encouraging or assisting of another to kidnap and rape . of another to kidnap and rape. thatis of another to kidnap and rape. that is the essence of those offences. it is fortunate that you did not succeed in finding one or more others who might have been considerably more physical, physically able and perhaps more able in other ways than you were at the time of the

offending . you were born on the offending. you were born on the 25th of february, 1987. you are now 37 years old. i have borne in mind your background of physical ill health, including increasing struggles with obesity to the point of gross obesity to the point of gross obesity from the age of 13, as well as the social difficulties, physical health issues, and mental health issues that have accompanied that . i have borne accompanied that. i have borne in mind that all of your research regarding miss willoughby was done online, and that you never went to her house or stalked her in person, although it is clear that you considered and discussed doing so . all three of your offences so. all three of your offences fall within schedule 19 to the sentencing act 2020. given all that i know about you having presided over your trial, i do not consider it necessary to have had a pre—sentence report for purposes of assessing whether you are a dangerous

offender. i am required first to consider whether i must impose a sentence of imprisonment for life, given the seriousness of each of these offences . although each of these offences. although the offences of which you have been convicted concern only one woman, it is clear from the evidence, including your prior convictions, that you pose a significant risk to women generally of serious harm occasioned by the commission of sexually motivated acts of threatened and actual violence. i find, in other words, that you are dangerous . having regard to are dangerous. having regard to the seriousness of each of your offences individually and together, as well as everything else i know about you, including the facts of your prior convictions for similarly sexually motivated violent offending against women , i offending against women, i conclude that i must impose on you a sentence of imprisonment for life. it will, in fact be three concurrent sentences of imprisonment for life . this is imprisonment for life. this is not a case of such extreme

seriousness that it is necessary to impose a whole life order. in other words, an order under which there is no possibility of you being released. accordingly, i must determine the minimum term that you must serve for each of these offences . if i'd each of these offences. if i'd been sentencing you to a determinate sentence, taking account of the numerous aggravating and limited mitigating factors in this case, but avoiding double counting after a trial , but avoiding double counting after atrial, i would but avoiding double counting after a trial , i would have after a trial, i would have sentenced you to concurrent sentences of 24 years imprisonment for each offence because you would have served up to two thirds of that sentence in custody. i fixed the minimum term you will serve at two thirds of 24 years. that is 16 years. finally, i reduce that minimum term of 16 years by the number of days which you have spent on remand in custody to 280 days. this means that the minimum term, which you will serve before the parole board, may consider your possible release, is one of 15 years and

85 days. it is important that you and everyone concerned with this case should understand what this case should understand what this means. the minimum term is not a fixed term, after which you will automatically be released. you must serve every single day of that minimum term , single day of that minimum term, and it must be served before the parole board can undertake their first review of the case. at that stage, they will review the risk that you then present and will consider whether you can properly be released from custody. subject to licence at that stage, and, if so, on. what terms. if and when you are released, you will be subject to licence and this will remain the case for the rest of your life. if for any reason your license is revoked, you will be recalled to prison to continue to serve your life sentence in custody . your life sentence in custody. and it may well be that you will never be released again . it never be released again. it follows that unless and until the parole board consider that

your release is appropriate, you will remain in custody. and as i've just said, possibly for the rest of your life. in order to protect miss willoughby from further harassment, you will be subject to a restraining order prohibiting you from contacting or attempting to contact her directly or indirectly, including via social media, email, telephone, post or text message, and prohibiting you from entering an exclusion zone shown in a map attached to the restraining order. the restraining order. the restraining order. the restraining order also prohibits you from attending as an audience member or for any other purpose. any television show or other public event that miss willoughby is presenting or appearing in or at this order, will last indefinitely . given will last indefinitely. given that, i will be imposing a life sentence for each of your offences, it is not necessary for me to make a sexual harm prevention order against you as the risk that you pose in that regard will be adequately managed through the management of your life sentences. i

certify that you've been convicted of a sexual offence so that you must, for the rest of your life, keep the police informed at all times of your personal particulars, the address at which you are living, and any alteration in the name you are using. you will be given full details of these requirements on a form at the end of this hearing. the offences of which you have been convicted are ones that will make you subject to barring from working with vulnerable adults. you will be told of the restrictions under the safeguarding vulnerable groups act 2006 by the disclosure and barring service. the statutory surcharge provisions apply to this sentence . gavin newsom this sentence. gavin newsom please . stand up. over a number please. stand up. over a number of years you pursued an unhealthy sexual obsession with holly willoughby that led you ultimately to plan over that

penod ultimately to plan over that period to kidnap, to rape and to murder her. you researched her home address, her security arrangements, her daily routine, her route to work, her family . her route to work, her family. you assembled a restraint kit . you assembled a restraint kit. you assembled a restraint kit. you bought what you believed to be chloroform to incapacitate her and her husband. you intended to harm her husband and her children as part of your plan . you attempted to recruit plan. you attempted to recruit several people to help you. you discussed with mark and with david nelson. and no doubt others in hideous and revolting detail. the prolonged sexual violence that you intended to inflict on miss willoughby. once you abducted her and had her under your control, you had previously been convicted of terrifying offences involving the threat of sexual violence against four different young women. i found you to be dangerous. you solicited david nelson to murder miss willoughby or to assist you in murdering her. you encouraged mark and david nelson to participate in your plan to kidnap and rape

miss willoughby. the jury saw through the various lies that you told at the trial and convicted you of these offences, for which i now sentence you as follows . for the offence of follows. for the offence of soliciting murder, i sentence you to life imprisonment with a minimum term of 15 years and 85 days for the offence of encouraging or assisting the commission of the offence of kidnapping. i sentenced you to life imprisonment with a minimum term to serve a 15 years and 85 days, and for the offence of encouraging or assisting the commission of the offence of rape . i sentence you to life rape. i sentence you to life imprisonment with a minimum term to serve of 15 years and 85 days. you may go down. >> well, there we have it. an extraordinary sentencing of gavin plumb, the man found guilty of plotting to kidnap, rape and murder the television presenter holly willoughby. he's been sentenced to life in prison

with a minimum service of 15 years and 85 days. >> yes, 15 years and 85 days, listening to those details of what he had planned, for holly willoughby. quite extraordinary. what he did the plan to kidnap the fact he'd researched everything about her. he had plans for such sordid sexual violence against her and also harm intended to her family to, the judge there saying that essentially the only mitigations were that he was probably too fat. a too grossly obese to be able to actually succeed in carrying out these crimes. and that he didn't have a lack of he didn't have a car or a driving licence. those were the only mitigations there. essentially that he may not have been able to do it on his own, but he was looking and seeking accomplices that thankfully he did not find . that thankfully he did not find. >> although of course he spoke to many potential accomplices

both on whatsapp and on the kik messaging app. he spoke with different groups of men, different groups of men, different men with whom , he different men with whom, he spoke about performing this horrific kidnap plot. some backed out , some horrific kidnap plot. some backed out, some ended up blocking him on these messaging applications and he accused them of getting cold feet , leading of getting cold feet, leading the judge in this case to say this was clearly more than a fantasy for you , because the fantasy for you, because the defence of gavin plumb here was that this was a fantasy that this would never have actually been carried out. but what the judge has conclusively gone over in this sentencing is how it was very much more than a fantasy. how what gavin plumb thought was chloroform was bought, restraints were bought. he was preparing to take a driving test to get a driving licence, to get the car to carry this out.

evidence after evidence after evidence . although it must be evidence. although it must be said, whilst he was served to three life sentences, these will be served concurrently, meaning this monster could be out of prison in 15 years and 85 days. >> yes . interested to know >> yes. interested to know whether you think that is a sufficiently harsh penalty for this man. it's clear he is the most. well has the most sordid, views of women. he's been considered a danger to all women. not only holly willoughby, the judge made that very clear previously . he's very clear previously. he's behaved towards women in a in a frightening, dangerous way . frightening, dangerous way. obsessive over sexual violence. really the most disgusting specimen, i must say. from what we just heard . but, yes, 15 we just heard. but, yes, 15 years and 85 days is the minimum sentence given given to this man. gavin plumb there. >> well, joining us now is the

former head of the national counter terrorism security office, chris phillips. because chris, my goodness me , the judge chris, my goodness me, the judge saying that this man was a threat not just to holly willoughby, although he clearly was, but to all women. >> yeah, historically he's committed other offences which, whilst he is a fantasist, there's no doubt about that. >> he's only a fantasist because he's not able to commit the crimes that he would like to. he is a danger, a clear and present danger to any female out there. and, this sentence actually, i think is quite appropriate. and 15 years is a very long time when you consider some of the other sentences we've seen recently. >> and he'll have to, stay in touch and be monitored by the police for the rest of his life, whether he's in, in or out of prison. his address , his prison. his address, his personal circumstances, if he changes his name, etcetera , changes his name, etcetera, etcetera, he will be under the police's watch for the rest of his life. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> i think the judge has done a good job here. he's, he's given out a sentence which is

appropriate to the offence, but not only that, i think it does send a message. or it should send a message. or it should send a message out to other people that might be, you know, commenting online and doing things online, to, to women generally, that, it won't be, put up with and decent sentences will be given to people. the only the only downside to this, of course, is we've also got 40, the whole the 40% piece, that prisoners are going to be released by, that are just going to be announced today or tomorrow. >> now, i should say that on our screens we're looking at, the arrest, the moment that gavin plum, that his house was entered by specialist officers and was first arrested. >> of course, this individual was in work as a security guard in harlow in essex, which does add another layer to all of this. this was another man in a job, that is supposed to be keeping people safe, whereas it

turned out that the person who was supposed to be keeping all of us safe was himself. the threat . threat. >> yeah, clearly not a patrol officer. that's for sure. probably sitting in a in a in a desk behind a desk somewhere, monitoring people going in and out. but but you're absolutely right. and, you know, the fact that he's had these previous convictions just goes to show that this man should never be anywhere near that kind of job, and you know, i think there's a lot of work to be done to make sure that they people with this kind of history aren't employed as security teams or or as we've seen, unfortunately, in the past, as police officers, >> would you say there have been failures then by the police previously or, or any other agency ? agency? >> listen, i think the police have been disassembled by previous governments, which has meant that, you know, wrong bad people are in the police. there's no doubt about that. and all sorts of, of issues have happened. security guards. yes. and there's no doubt that, the world of security is a is an

easier one to get into than policing. so from time to time you will get these cases pop up. but let's not get into the blaming of police or blaming of the security. associations for this. this is an individual that's quite clearly deranged and pathetic and has got the sentence that he deserved. >> and yet this is someone who had in the past been arrested and received a suspended sentence after attempting to kidnap two women on the stansted express. i wonder if we've become, to, lacking in will to actually see someone put behind bars because it seems extraordinary to me when this clear behaviour was shown over a decade ago that he didn't go to prison, he simply received a suspended sentence. >> yeah. tom, you're absolutely right. we're very loathe to send people to prison, even though our prisons are completely full.

you know, i've seen people that really should have spent a significant time in prison being released, on suspended sentences or otherwise. you know, the particularly offences against women like that. it's very rarely that these things are a one off. these things tend to move, you know, and gradually increase in depravity. so yes, i think when people are convicted of those kind of offences, then prison should be considered or some other means of controlling them. >> and of course this is a high profile case because the victim is holly willoughby, who everyone in this country knows as being a tv presenter, but there are hundreds of thousands, millions of women in in britain who have who have gone through some kind of, violence from men at the hands of men or have been stalked, things like stalking. and when there hasn't actually been any real violence yet,

these things sometimes don't get the, the focus that's needed. >> no. >> no. >> and the mental distress of a lady, a woman that's getting that kind of attack. because it is an attack. it's, it's not physical, maybe, but it's, it is an attack on their, you know, on the on the way they live on the on their fears of going out at night, etc. so you're absolutely right. you know, women need to be protected. we've always in society thought that, but more than ever. so now , because, than ever. so now, because, we've got the ability to communicate, of course, across the social airwaves . the social airwaves. >> well, chris phillips, formerly of the national terrorism security office, really appreciate your time and your thoughts there. we're going across to the court now, chelmsford crown court and speak with gb news national reporter theo chikomba, theo, this is an extraordinary sentencing . extraordinary sentencing. >> it is indeed. well, 37 year old gavin plumb was sentenced to life imprisonment after a planning to kidnap, rape and

murder a tv presenter, holly willoughby. now, this morning, we've heard both from the prosecution here at the crown court and they said that plumb had been researching movements of miss willoughby looking at her home address , knowledge her home address, knowledge about her, whether or not she had cctv cameras at her home, and that this was all part of a plan to what she described as a plan to what she described as a plan to what she described as a plan to abduct and kill and she said that this places it at the very highest level of seriousness and that we also heard details in court about how heard details in court about how he had been planning to, to deal with holly willoughby's children as part of this planned attack. now, this all started when he was on the dark web and using particularly the social media app particularly the social media app called kik. and on there he was speaking to an undercover officer whose name is david nelson, which is not his real

name, but at the time, plumb did not know this, and they ended up exchanging around 300 messages in which he shared details of how he was planning to attack miss willoughby at her home and this was going over a period of time. and the court also heard today that he had been planning this for over two years and had spoken to almost seven people to carry out this attack. now, in terms of what we've also heard, from plum's barrister, sasha west casey, she said that the defendant is embarrassed and ashamed by the details of his onune ashamed by the details of his online conversations, their conversations. he always expected that they would remain private. and she added that he never actually left his house, didn't have access to a car , and didn't have access to a car, and he was completely incapable of scaling the perimeter of her house and instead she argued that it should be looked at. the offences should be looked at in terms of planning , which did not terms of planning, which did not take place, and nothing was

actually done now. before today, he spent around 270 to 80 days in custody, but today we have learned that he's been sentenced to life in prison for plotting to life in prison for plotting to kidnap, rape and murder. tv presenter holly willoughby and theo. >> hearing from inside the court that, gavin plumb this monster, i think it's fair to say showed little emotion when he was handed this sentence. perhaps little remorse or no remorse . little remorse or no remorse. >> yes, well, inside the court, gavin plumb was there the whole time he was looking up and down, but not really showing any emotion whilst he was sat listening to the judge's remarks. and when that sentencing was announced in the last 20 minutes or so, he didn't really show much emotion. i imagine he's been having plenty of time to think about his actions, but what we do know today is that he has been

sentenced to life imprisonment. >> well, theo chikomba at chelmsford crown court, really appreciate your reporting on this. thank you very much for joining us. >> and we're expecting a we should say we're expecting a statement outside that court. so we will bring you that when it comes . comes. >> now this all links to the space in our prisons, of course, of which there is very little indeedin of which there is very little indeed in order to ease the ever growing crisis in the criminal justice system, sir keir starmer, the prime minister, is set to approve the early release of thousands of what the government is describing as low risk prisoners , with police risk prisoners, with police chiefs warning that inaction would lead to a breakdown in law and order within just weeks . and order within just weeks. >> yes, the emergency measures are designed to reduce overcrowding in prisons after the number of available cells in men's prisons fell below 700, although those convicted of violent , sexual or terrorism violent, sexual or terrorism related offences are expected to be excluded from this. >> well, let's get more with our

gb news home and security editor mark white, because , mark, it mark white, because, mark, it seems to me in the context of listening to that horrific sentencing , a man who in the sentencing, a man who in the past received only a suspended sentence before going on to plot ever more horrific deeds that perhaps fewer people going to prison is not the best place for this country to be right now. >> no, listen, there's definitely risks in adopting a policy that at the end of the day, looks to return fewer people to prison. that would have gone to prison beforehand. i mean, what the government will say is that violent and sexual offenders will not be included in this. it will be people who have been sentenced to a term in prison that is in excess of four years. but those who are sentenced to less than four years in prison can expect a

reduction in the time that they would have to serve in prison down to 45, even 40% of their sentence time. currently, it's about 50% of your prison term. if you serve that in jail, the rest of that time, you can serve back in the community on licence. but you're right in pointing out the fact that there are still sexual offenders who are still sexual offenders who are perhaps seen as low level offenders who might not be given a jail term ordinarily, or who might just cross over into the threshold of a lowerjail term threshold of a lower jail term that might slip through the net here. that might be people that avoid a prison term . and avoid a prison term. and regardless of that, you've got the situation where thousands of people, the estimate between 8 and 10,000 people could now be released as part of this initiative. these are recidivists. these are people who continue to reoffend when

they get back out in the community. and it's those crimes that blight communities such as burglary, car theft, shoplifting. often these are people who are, you know , people who are, you know, addicted to substances such as drug and drink, who are looking to commit crimes, to raise money, to feed their habits , but money, to feed their habits, but they are offenders and repeat offenders. and many of these people will be going out back into communities. so that will without doubt have an impact. we were speaking a little earlier to robert buckland, the former justice secretary, and he wants assurances from the new government that absolutely, there will be no person that poses a risk to society among those being released back into the community. >> we should be looking very carefully to make sure that that serious, violent criminals should not be released. the first point is that when i was in government, for people who got over four years, they were made to serve two thirds of

their sentences. that was a change i brought in and that's got to be stuck to. and anybody on this scheme shouldn't be a domestic abuser or a stalker or an offender of that nature, because we should be maintaining confidence and making sure the pubuc confidence and making sure the public are put at risk. so i'd be very interested to see what type of person they're talking about and when they want to bnng about and when they want to bring this in, because that's the other point. you know, they can't just immediately rush this through. they need to look at every single case to make sure that the sort of risk to the pubucis that the sort of risk to the public is not present. and that confidence can be maintained in the system. >> now, interestingly, we've just had the latest prison population statistics released by the ministry of justice. they show that just over 87,500 people are currently being held in prisons in england and wales. thatis in prisons in england and wales. that is out of a capacity of just under 89,000. so, roughly speaking, there's about 1400 or so prison places still

available. that might sound a lot, but actually it's not much headroom at all because these figures can change on a dime. and that's a real concern. if we get to the point where we're blocked, there is no longer any capacity with it continuing to head on a trajectory that is more prison places being taken up , then you've got police cells up, then you've got police cells being taken up with prisoners, you've got the whole criminal justice system really grinding to a halt. >> well, mark white, thank you very much for that update. some really profound stories today on crime, on law, on order and on justice. mark white, our home and security editor there. now, do stay with us at half past the houn do stay with us at half past the hour, 1:30. we're going to be back outside chelmsford crown court. we're expecting a statement on the sentencing of gavin plumb. don't go anywhere

good afternoon. britain. it's 1:17. i should explain. we're looking at chelmsford crown court. where in around ten minutes time, we're expecting a statement on the sentencing of gavin plumb. the man sentenced in the last few minutes for the attempted plot to kidnap, rape and murder. television presenter holly willoughby. >> yes, indeed. so do stay with us for that. but in the meantime, us president joe biden is facing fresh calls to stand aside after what was a gaffe fidden aside after what was a gaffe ridden display at the nato summit in washington , including summit in washington, including this particular mistake when welcoming ukraine's president zelenskyy onto the stage at the nato summit. >> and now i want to hand it over to the president of ukraine, who has as much courage as he has determination. ladies and gentlemen, president putin.

>> well, if that wasn't bad enough, when asked a question about his vice president, kamala harris, he had this to say i wouldn't have picked vice president trump to be vice president. >> did i think she was not qualified to be president? so let's start there . let's start there. >> it's really, really bad. and of course, joe biden is no stranger to gaffes. what about the time he tried to shake hands with someone at the end of a speech who was not there before? what looks like aimlessly wandering around the stage , or wandering around the stage, or when he had to effectively be herded back to a group of leaders at the g7 this summer, he was herded back by the italian prime minister, giorgia meloni , meloni, >> wandering off just last month. >> yes , this does seem to >> yes, this does seem to continue to happen now. joe biden continues to insist that he will be the democrat candidate at november's presidential election. but after these latest gaffes, just how much longer can he realistically hold on for? >> well, let's get the thoughts

now of the chair of republicans overseas, greg swenson , because, overseas, greg swenson, because, greg, i suppose the republicans might be slightly, in on the one hand, revelling in the chaos in the democratic party, but on the other hand, worrying that someone more electable might be selected . yeah, that's a that's selected. yeah, that's a that's a really good point. >> and i think we do worry about that. >> we you know, of course we want biden to be the candidate. >> we'd even be happy with kamala harris as the candidate because, it looks like president trump would, would surely win against either one of those. the great unknown is if they can come up with a, you know, sort of a hail mary, you know, desperate attempt to get someone else in there. and by the way, they've done this before. they did it with biden four years ago. bernie sanders was clearly on the path to winning the nomination, but he was polling so poorly against trump in the general election , and that general election, and that really panicked the democrats. here we go. four years later, same thing is happening. they were sticking with him until a few months ago. all that's

really changed is, you know, two things really. one is that the polling is really bad. his numbers have gone down. and secondly, you know, the legacy media has finally admitted what they were denying for the last three years. so or four years even so, you know, this is this is a big moment for the democrats. >> and what is it about joe biden, president joe biden , that biden, president joe biden, that makes him so committed to continuing on with this race? or we're hearing more and more and more voices coming out to say, you know what? it's time to step aside. we need a different candidate for the democrats. but yet he persists. >> yes, because he's defiant. he's angry. he's stubborn. you know, this is a man who's wanted to be president in his whole life and never really had a notable moment in his 40 years in the senate. you know, he was picked as vice president by biden because biden needed to balance the ticket with the washington insider , with an washington insider, with an older person, more of an establishment person, because in many ways, you know, obama had come out of nowhere in 2004. and so, you know , this is a moment

so, you know, this is a moment where, you know, he's just digging his heels in and showing how how shallow he is . it's how how shallow he is. it's really a sad moment. it's really going not that he had much of a legacy anyway, but you know, he's going to go down in history as, as just this, this angry old man that refuses to step aside when that would be the right thing for his party and for his country. >> now , how would the process of >> now, how would the process of dislodging joe biden actually take place in early, august? of course, there is the democratic national convention, where a presumptive nominee becomes the official nominee. could it be that we would see the first contested convention? for the democratic side since, 1980? >> yeah. yeah, definitely. i mean, so many people are bailing on them, you know, and you saw three more, democratic congressmen yesterday, as well as a senator, peter welch from vermont. and so, you know, this momentum is building. so there could be a contested one. but i think what would be more

probable is they will convince him to step aside. so it won't necessarily be contested , as you necessarily be contested, as you know, but they will have some challenges. i think the wise thing to do is not anoint somebody, not just hand the baton to kamala or , you know, baton to kamala or, you know, gavin newsom, but just to have a you know, either a mini primary process or just like they used to do, prior to 1972, all the all the nominations were done at the convention. so this would not be really outrageous. this. yes. it's unprecedented in some ways, but this is how the system used to work. they would go to the convention and the delegates from around the country would get in the smoke filled room and argue and come out with a candidate. and so that's i think, what i would recommend, rather than just, you know, handing, handing the nomination to someone, you know , through to someone, you know, through anointing them, >> and, greg, how significant is it that, hollywood has turned against him now? >> it's really significant. not

that people care what hollywood celebrities think. it's the fundraising. it's a great question because they are a money machine. that's where he gets considerable funding from. and so once george clooney turned , you know, that's a big turned, you know, that's a big moment. not because he's a movie star or a celebrity. it's because he's a massive fundraiser. the last time they had a they had a party a few weeks ago, hosted by george clooney and raised $30 million. so, you know, this is a big advantage the democrats have had over republicans. they clearly were going to outraise president trump in this cycle . but that's trump in this cycle. but that's no longer the case. the fundraising dropped 50% in, since the fundraising pace dropped 50% since since the debate . debate. >> now we're describing this as the gaffe prone president. but is it not the case that of the last four presidents of the united states, three quarters of them have been fairly gaffe prone? i mean, i'm old enough to remember george w bush saying the french have no word for entrepreneur or donald trump

talking about powerful sunlight to defeat covid or bleach or everything else. i mean, your system does tend to throw up people who are fairly gaffe prone. >> yeah, well, they don't have the gift of oratory, like like we do in great britain, that's for sure. but, you know, i think i think you're probably referring the exception was obama, who did have a gift and so, look, it's natural, you know, these people are under a lot of stress. but this is apples and oranges. biden compared to anybody else, it's just a no brainer. compared to anybody else, it's just a no brainer . and so and just a no brainer. and so and the bar has been lowered so much so much like this press conference yesterday you know was was viewed by some democrats and some in the legacy media as and some in the legacy media as a success. but it's only because the bar has been lowered so much. it's basically on the floor now . and in many ways, you floor now. and in many ways, you know, the diminished standard is has really been created by biden and the team around him. so and even if he did have a good press conference, which is arguable, it's overshadowed by the gasp by

calling zelenskyy putin, you know, calling vice president kamala harris, vice president trump. i mean, i don't think anyone can bounce back from that, especially biden with the condition that he's in. and this is this is a catastrophe , is this is a catastrophe, catastrophe for the democrats because they've avoided by having a decent press conference. they've avoided the obvious. it's basically kicking the can down the road. if he had just fallen on his face at the press conference more than he did then, then i think it would be over. this weekend, but i think he'll hang on for a little bit longer. but i just i don't see any other path than, replacing him. >> okay. >> okay. >> well, thank you very much for your time, as always. greg swenson, their chair of republicans overseas, now we're just going to head over to chelmsford crown court , a chelmsford crown court, a reminder that we're waiting for a statement there. we heard the sentencing a little bit earlier of gavin plum, the 37 year old who planned the most hideous, plot, hatched a plot to kidnap,

rape and murder holly willoughby. so we will be heanng willoughby. so we will be hearing a statement from outside that court imminently. >> yes. he was, of course, arrested after an undercover police officer. not from this country, but from the united states of america , gained his states of america, gained his trust, began discussing with him his plans to kidnap holly willoughby, to rape and murder her, to torture her family and threaten her children . the most threaten her children. the most sordid and horrific plans that had not just been discussed with this undercover police officer, but by many other as yet anonymous individuals as well, who were found through the dark web using messaging apps like whatsapp and the kik app to communicate this plot. >> well, joining us now is former scotland yard detective peter bleksley peter. thank you very much indeed forjoining us, listening to that sentence, this this man, now criminal sentenced

to 15 years, 85 minimum on a life sentence. shocking, shocking . shocking. >> yes. in fact, the details of his planning, some of them were so graphic that only the jury and certain accredited members of the press were allowed access to them because they were so disturbing. >> they can't be made public. this man's depravity knew no depths, and it is a matter of something which we should be hugely grateful for, that the undercover officer based in minnesota in the us , was minnesota in the us, was monitoring this internet traffic, was able to pick up plums . dreadful plotting to plums. dreadful plotting to murder holly willoughby, and therefore he was able to be arrested without any harm coming to her. i give ultimate praise to her. i give ultimate praise to that undercover officer. >> i'm slightly concerned about this situation whereby it wasn't a british police officer who discovered this. we're relying

on the expertise, perhaps the funding of foreign police forces to find and prosecute our own domestic cases . domestic cases. >> yes, you raise a valid point. although there are undercover officers from british law enforcement doing similar jobs , enforcement doing similar jobs, predominantly around child sexual abuse images and the such like. but of course, the internet is utterly vast and it cannot be policed in its entirety 24 hours a day. it does rightfully make us ask questions about how much other criminality is going on out there , which law is going on out there, which law enforcement are simply not aware of . but really, the bigger of. but really, the bigger problem about this, and about so many of the crime stories that have been so utterly horrific this week, the problem is men, young boys are being born and created from them. monsters are being created. look at the levels of violence and the plots against women. all carried out

by men. men are the problem. >> well, what do we do about that then, peter? >> i think that's a perfectly valid question. and i think there must be issues around parenting, around education and around society as a whole. i can't help but feel there is a crumbling of society, of values that are important to the moderate mainstream, to people that do raise wonderful children , that do raise wonderful children, who become adults, who contribute to society . but there contribute to society. but there clearly is a swathe of people who do not. there are men who are becoming monsters. the reasons must be discovered, and therefore something can be done about it. but there's another very important issue here with regards to gavin plumb. on two previous occasions he was sentenced for crimes against women and ludicrously, on the first occasion he got a suspended sentence and on the

second occasion, when he unlawfully imprisoned two girls in a storeroom , he got 32 in a storeroom, he got 32 months, of which he served only 16. they are ridiculous sentences. if he'd been sentenced to a more appropriate and longerjail sentenced to a more appropriate and longer jail term, sentenced to a more appropriate and longerjail term, some sentenced to a more appropriate and longer jail term, some time and longerjail term, some time ago, maybe none of this plotting to rape, kidnap and murder holly willoughby would have occurred. >> peter, you raise an absolutely fantastic point there because this is all in the context, of course, of a government that is likely to release thousands upon thousands of prisoners, prisoners they would describe as serving minor sentences. but perhaps gavin plumb would have been described as serving a minor sentence when he was serving just 16 months for something that could well have easily been described to be non—violent . obviously, it may non—violent. obviously, it may well have had violent intentions with without direct violence taking place on that occasion. i wonder if the answer to the question you raise about men and the section of men that are

clearly a danger to society, is the answer, not simply to lock them away entirely . them away entirely. >> long jail sentences actually work , and i say that because work, and i say that because i tend to meet on a fairly frequent basis, people who have served lengthy jail terms so lengthy that they decided they never wanted to go back. and so they had a very good motivation to turn their lives around , to turn their lives around, become contributing members of society, and never again commit a crime. long jail terms, work short jail terms don't. what we need to focus on is sentencing people to appropriate lengthy sentences, which means they can get the services. >> peter, we're just going to interrupt you because we're just going to head to the court to greg wood. >> certainly today, gavin plumb starts a life sentence with a minimum of 16 years, and the streets of essex are safer as a result of his imprisonment . he result of his imprisonment. he is a dangerous individual with a history of kidnapping women and

girls . he history of kidnapping women and girls. he tried to claim throughout the trial that he was an obsessive fan and a fantasist . an obsessive fan and a fantasist. >> that is simply not true. he planned this attack on miss willoughby over a two year period, scoping her movements si king seeking help from others and buying items that would incapacitate and inflict violence. he is not a fantasist. he's a calculating sexual predator who has spent his adult life seeking to inflict violence on women. today i pay tribute to miss willoughby and the other women who gavin plumb sought to harm their bravery has helped us protect other women and i thank them for their courage. this case has brought misogyny and violence against women and girls to the fore . it has demonstrated to the fore. it has demonstrated that we all have much to do to stamp it out of society . it stamp it out of society. it cannot be right that men like gavin plumb are able to join .

gavin plumb are able to join. online. and plot to cause them harm . we need everyone to stand harm. we need everyone to stand up and call out misogyny and to report those causing violence towards women and girls . essex towards women and girls. essex police will do all we can to bnng police will do all we can to bring offenders like gavin plumb to justice and ensure women and girls in our county and beyond are to free go about their daily lives without fear of harm. thank you . thank you. >> okay, well, there we are outside the court hearing that short statement, confirming he's not a fantasist. this man, a calculated sexual predator. and now essex and women in general are safer as a result. his name is greg wood, dci greg wood. they're from the essex police. that's who we were hearing from. but we'll turn back to peter bleksley, who hopefully is still on the line for us. fantastic stuff, hearing this sentence , a stuff, hearing this sentence, a lot of people are confused. a life sentence, but minimum but

minimum of 15 years, 85 days. why does life not mean life? peter >> well, there are very few people that are sentenced to a whole life tariff, which means, of course, that they would die in prison. and those sentences are reserved for the very, very worst offenders , people who kill worst offenders, people who kill multiple times , cases like that, multiple times, cases like that, for example , this man was for example, this man was sentenced to 16 years minus the time that he's already served on remand, awaiting trial. but his life sentence means that he will forever be on licence should he ever be released. and let's sincerely hope he isn't. but should he be released, he will be on licence. so the probation service will be able to impose restrictions upon him about where he lives, where he can go and of course, he is also the subject of a sexual offences order. i know that still sounds

unsatisfactory to many, including myself, because this jail term in my mind simply isn't long enough. but the judge's hands are tied. the sentencing council hands down guidelines that judges simply must abide by it, because if they don't, they give the prisoners the opportunity to appeal against their sentences. and that's, of course, is expensive and an unsatisfactory waste of valuable public resources. >> now, peter, i must just say we are looking now at the extraordinary body cam footage of the moment that essex police arrested gavin plumb, it is a chilling, really, to see him there within those rooms. from which he communicated to many people using the dark web, but also kept restraints, kept what he thought to be chloroform,

with which he would carry out this attempted kidnap, rape and murder. >> i won't beat around the bush. he's a sad, pathetic, revolting creature, and i'm very glad that he'll spend at least 15 years and 85 days in jail. let's hope it's considerably longer than that, because anybody that ever considers releasing this beast must look at his previous convictions and unusually in this trial, or should i say something that happens infrequently, is that the jury were told about his previous offending because the facts of those crimes were so similar to the facts put before the jury for the holly willoughby plot. so sorry to just jump in there, but i think a lot of people will be looking at his two previous arrests. >> the times that he attempted to kidnap two women on the stansted express, the times that he put more women under false imprisonment, his first suspended sentence, his latterly

served 16 months in prison and thinking why on earth was this man freely roaming the dark web? why on earth was this man not under greater surveillance? how on earth have we got to the state as a country where someone can be arrested, given a suspended sentence, and then arrested again , given another arrested again, given another sentence and now arrested for a third time? what on earth is going on? >> people are not getting long enough. prison sentences, which are, should i say, the right sentences for the crimes that they commit? clearly, there was an escalation in plumb's offending from the first hideous crimes. and i heard about the testimony from a victim about the impact that that had on her when he handed a note to her in an extremely threatening manner on a train telling her to get off with him at the next stop, a horrific thing to happen to a lone woman who therefore is very vulnerable when faced by this

monster. he did the same again the following day, and then years later , when he's working years later, when he's working in what then was woolworth's? he kidnaps two young women, holds them in a stock room and ties one up. it's astonishing to think that the escalation wasn't identified, that the increasing risks to the public wasn't identified, and that he wasn't sentenced. accordingly, he was allowed to roam free to plot the dreadful crimes against holly willoughby because he hadn't been sentenced appropriately. he hadnt been sentenced appropriately. he hadn't been punished properly in the past . the past. >> i mean, hearing hearing about what this man wanted to do to her and her family must be absolutely terrifying for holly willoughby and traumatic thoughts with her and how she and her family dealt with this all absolutely disgusting. the details we heard during that sentencing. thank you so much , sentencing. thank you so much, peter, for talking us through it

all. you are, of course, a former scotland yard detective . former scotland yard detective. >> well, goodness me, taking a deep breath now and coming up, a truly shocking story about a man's hellish experience a dubai prison. much more on that after

>> okay. well. good afternoon. britain. it's 143 now. and for britain. it's143 now. and for a truly shocking story about a man's experience in a hellish dubai prison and why he's warning brits to completely avoid the country. >> well , avoid the country. >> well, ex—leeds avoid the country. >> well , ex—leeds football club >> well, ex—leeds football club chief executive and human rights lawyer david hey spent 22 months locked up behind bars where he was subjected to torture and sexual assault. >> david, thank you very much indeed for joining >> david, thank you very much indeed forjoining us. david. hey, we usually have you on to talk about things like stopping the boats and immigration law

and the like, but we read your story in the mail online, and it is truly shocking. had no idea this had happened to you. tell us a bit about how you ended up in a dubai prison. >> hi. hi. good afternoon both. >> hi. hi. good afternoon both. >> i mean my story. it happened ten years ago now, but the reason why it's come back into the media is there was a young lady, young irish lady who was cabin crew, and she was she basically had some issues in dubai recently, >> and she was facing jail for drinking alcohol and attempted suicide. so i think a lot of the newspapers, the mail and the sun decided to focus on other people that have suffered things in the country in the last, you know, few years. and obviously , i was few years. and obviously, i was one of the most high profile cases ten years ago. and what happened to me, emily, effectively, i was running leeds united, you know, dream for , job united, you know, dream for, job for many, had a dispute with my then employers, who said, you know, come to dubai , we'll sort know, come to dubai, we'll sort everything out, >> i quite happily get on a

plane, a very nice emirates, sweet land, >> and a few hours later, i'm on the floor of a police station. >> with men with guns screaming and shouting at me in arabic, trying to get me to sign a false confession, >> and that, you know, that ordeal lasted 22 months in all 15 months, i was held in what we would call arbitrary detention, which is no fun at all. >> really. why i was there. i had no investigation, just 15 months shoved in a hole in the doom months shoved in a hole in the door, locked, >> and then, you know, i was very lucky. >> the picture that you're seeing now that was, smuggled out effectively through a police officer and put in the daily mail, and once that story got out, you know, i think a few days later, i was charged with an offence called breach of trust and then found guilty of it and then pardoned nine days later, i was then due to come home, and then another charge was filed against me. another so—called criminal charge for twitter abuse while i was locked up. you know, i mean, there wasn't even phones, so it's absurd that i somehow managed to abuse people on twitter. so i

was jailed for another nine months for twitter. abuse of which i was acquitted. so, you know, 22 months of hell. and then eventually got back on good friday in 2016 to a rather blaze of publicity, so that's kind of how it happened, yeah. not not a nice experience. >> no, it seems just extraordinary. it seems arbitrary. it seems everything that the justice system in the united kingdom is not, do you have a message for those who are thinking of going on holiday in dubai? thinking of doing business in dubai? is it is it possible to do so safely? >> you know, i think the short answer to that is effectively no. you know , i mean from ten no. you know, i mean from ten years ago, you know, obviously with the profile that i had then and what i now do i help other victims of injustices and human rights abuses in dubai. that's not just tourists that go there. it's not just expats that live there. you know, as many of your viewers will know that i worked

for the daughter of the ruler of dubal for the daughter of the ruler of dubai, a lady called princess latifa. i helped her get her freedom. so, you know, it is a dangerous place. no matter who you are. the problem that you've got is that it really is marketed as this glamorous party capital of the middle east. when the reality is it's not. it's got very strict sharia based laws, very similar to how you would have them in saudi. you know, none of us, i'm sure, would think about going on a party holiday to saudi, dubai has the same type of laws. so i'll give you an example. if you if you go into a hotel room with your girlfriend or your boyfriend, you're not married. you are breaking the law. and how many of these influencers that we see on instagram and, you know, footballers and their girlfriends do that day in, day out, it's a very dangerous place. but no one sees the danger until it happens to them . danger until it happens to them. >> and, david, reading the article in the mail and hearing what happened to you, sexual assault punch tasered, hit with assault punch tasered, hit with a broom handle while you were

incarcerated. you say you saw a man tortured to death. can you just describe a little i mean, the trauma you went through, i mean, yeah, i mean, it's, you know, it's something that never leaves you. >> and you know, the article said i spent a lot of time in hospital recovering from that. and, you know, in a, in a weird way, you can kind of when someone abuses you, when someone punches you and does terrible things to you, you can kind of tolerate that. but what i found and still find really difficult is when you see the police hurting other people and torturing other people and there's, you know, it's mentioned in the article, one person that that they were beating and torturing that was lying next to me, and they stood on his throat and dragged him off, you know, sounded like he wasn't breathing. and it's something that even now, ten years later, you always think, what happened to that person. so, you know, that's why i do the work that i do now, because when you've gone through that situation, i was lucky, you know, i had a profile and i could talk. you know, once i managed to get to the media, i've got something of a big mouth. and i didn't stop for the last ten years talking about what happened to me and then

helping others. and, you know, that's, you know, by doing that, ihope that's, you know, by doing that, i hope that i'll, you know, protect some people are there and help, help, help people that might go there that will certainly think twice, i mean, it was a horrific experience, emily, but it's one that, you know, through the work that i've done, particularly when i look at people like princess latifa and, you know, princess haya, who was latifa's stepmother, who i helped, you know, get to safety, you know, from something dark and horrible, you know, something good has come. so that's, you know, why i do the work that i do now. >> and this was a big turning point in your life. did sort of that that experience that, those months in that horrible situation in that cell, not knowing sort of what rights you had, if any, not knowing when you might be coming back home. i suppose that inspired you for a pretty sharp change in career. >> well, absolutely. i mean, you know, i before that i was if you like, an evil corporate lawyer working in private equity and running a football club. so, you know, that's one of those kind of life changing moments when you're in, you know, when someone throws you in a hell hole in a foreign country and slams the door shut and no one's

helping you. even the embassy was useless , you know, and, you was useless, you know, and, you know, you kind of have a moments to think about your life and what you want to do with it. and then, you know, i was in the fortunate situation, like i said, that because i ran a football club, i managed to get, you know, some attention and some press, and i could help other people because, you know, if i spoke about their cases, it would get in the press. so, you know, it's something you know, a lot of people ask me, you know, would i change what happened? and it might sound extreme to say it, but i probably wouldn't because the amount of people i've helped, you know, whether they're princesses or they're just, you know, everyday, normal people in the last ten years, i think, you know, that's so valuable. and hopefully, you know, we'll see. and we are seeing changes in the way that dubaiand seeing changes in the way that dubai and other countries in the gulf where i help treat the people they are taking notice. they do know that they need to change these these archaic laws and bring, you know, real justice and human rights into them. so i think that's a positive. >> i mean, for most of us living in britain, it's hard to imagine the hell the hell you, you, you went through . i mean, is your

went through. i mean, is your mental health still suffering from this? have you had, you know, a trauma as a result of this ? this? >> i think it never leaves you. i mean, the gentleman that i mentioned, where i saw them, what i believed to have killed someone, literally lying next to me. that's something that never really goes. i've had, you know, i've had a lot of treatment, you know, you know, the one called emdr and various other things that they do. but i don't think you ever, ever fully recover when you've seen such horrors. but then, like i said, for me, the way that i kind of, you know, treat myself like is helping other people and seeing the joy and the happiness that they get from when i can help them, but it's i don't think anyone really recovers when you see something like that. but if you can get a positive from those very dark moments, i think that's the best thing that you can do. >> david. it really stings at my sense of justice and fairness, that it tends to be cases that can get media attention are the ones that international embassies then rush to try and solve. is it really that inequitable that so often in

these cases, you have to get it into a paper, you have to get it on the television before the work to sort it out actually begins in earnest. >> absolutely. i mean, you know, in my case, if it hadn't got in, if it wasn't for the daily mail, if it wasn't for the daily mail, if it wasn't for the bbc back then, you know, i could have been dead. you know, this, this young irish lady, if she hadn't have gotit young irish lady, if she hadn't have got it in the press, she could not be with us. now, even princess latifa, you know, if the. and again it was the sun in the. and again it was the sun in the daily mail that ran that story in 2018, when no other media wanted to. if that hadn't have happened, she could be dead. you know, it's only this particular country in this area. the only thing they really care aboutis the only thing they really care about is their reputation, because they need they need our tourists. they need the expats. they need the investment, you know, coming this way as well. so they care about their reputation. and, you know, if you leave it to the embassy, particularly in the british embassy and the foreign office, in all, in my case and in all the other cases that i help on relating to brits, they're useless , and they actually do useless, and they actually do more than that in the fact they tell people don't go to the media. and it's only usually

when people do that and you see the ridiculousness of some of cases, you know, many brits getting arrested for having dnnksin getting arrested for having drinks in a bar. there was a chap called lee bradley brown who went there a decade ago as a tourist. he was murdered by the police. there was an inquest a couple of years ago, which is if they google, you know, be able to read about him. so it's only when you get to the media get that justice at the moment. and one of the good things for this young lady from, from ireland, and something that i was really impressed with with her government is her government. and this is very unusual, very quickly stood up and said, bring her home. we're not accepting this. i've never seen the engush this. i've never seen the english government or the foreign office do that or other. so all credit to the irish government for protecting this young lady and for getting her home. >> well, thank you very much indeed for your time. really interesting to get your story and we wish you the best, and with your health and everything going forward. thank you very much. david hague, to good speak to you, shocking, really. i think a lot of people go to dubaiand think a lot of people go to dubai and perhaps are a little naive that actually the law is

very different over there , and very different over there, and they assume because they're brits and you know, that they can just go over there and they see the only way is essex lot all over there. you know, in their bikinis and all that. you have to be careful deeply irresponsible influencers and on sort of online image creation. >> i suppose it just goes to show that you should really read up on the law of any country you do go to, because if you toe out of line, there can be very serious, repercussions . serious, repercussions. >> absolutely. well, coming up, we're going to be discussing president joe biden. just how can he carry on as president following his latest gaffe? don't go anywhere . don't go anywhere. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on gb news >> good afternoon. here's your latest gb news. weather forecast

from the met office. it is going to be a bit messy as we go into this weekend. there'll be some rain, some showers around and a glimmer of sunshine at times. looking at the bigger picture and there is high pressure just to the west of us, but also various features bringing some showery rain for some two in the southwest. watch out for some heavy thundery downpours as we head towards this evening. could cause some localised issues elsewhere. there will be some clouds, some showery rain, some thicker cloud bring some more persistent rain to eastern parts of england as that pushes in from the north sea, perhaps a little bit drier further west. still some spots of rain around a lot of cloud though, so temperatures generally holding up in double figures , especially up in double figures, especially in the towns and cities through tomorrow morning. then a damp picture across eastern parts . picture across eastern parts. further outbreaks of rain here in the south, though any showers will have cleared overnight, so it's a mostly dry picture here in the southwest. some sunshine earlier on. cloudier further east. further outbreaks of showery rain as we head further northwards. always brightest the further west you go. because of

that high pressure that i mentioned earlier, further east, it is always going to be that bit cloudier, that bit damper and there'll be some blustery winds to watch out for. two little change as we go through the rest of the day. we are going to see that rain across eastern parts pushing a bit further west, and so more places likely to turn a little bit damper, but further west still some bright or sunny spells and just a few showers to watch out for some of those showers could be heavy, possibly thundery but not looking as intense as those that we've seen today. temperatures are going to be a little bit below average for the time of year, and feeling pretty cool towards those eastern coastal parts. because of the cloud, the rain and those brisk winds. more rain pushing in from the north sea as we go through later saturday into sunday. elsewhere staying largely dry. some bright sunny spells and in fact sunday doesn't look too bad. just a few showers to watch out for before more rain arrives in time for the beginning of next week. by that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers,

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>> well . >> well. >> well. >> good afternoon . britain. it's >> good afternoon. britain. it's 2:00 on friday, the 12th of july. i'm tom harwood, and i'm emily copper. gavin plumb, the man found guilty of hatching depraved and vile plans to kidnap, rape and murder. tv star holly willoughby has been sentenced to a minimum of 15 years and 85 days in prison. we're live in chelmsford crown court and deaths in the channel. >> four more migrants have died after attempting to cross the dangerous 26 mile shipping lane thatis dangerous 26 mile shipping lane that is the english channel. we'll have the latest from france and ask if smashing the gangsis france and ask if smashing the gangs is a viable strategy to save lives. >> will joe go ? as the leader of >> will joe go? as the leader of the free world confuses vladimir zelenskyy for vladimir putin and

calls kamala harris vice president? trump panic is spreading across capitol hill with leading democrats now thinking the unthinkable . thinking the unthinkable. >> and tom wants to know this afternoon why the weather is so shoddy in july. and we asked the same question in june. yes. it has been a bit rubbish, hasn't it. >> i know i'm going to. everyone's going to pillory me for this, but like, isn't it supposed to be getting warmer. >> i mean that's what we've been taught. >> well i'm not i'm not suggesting that the climate isn't heating up, but you'd have thought that there might be, you know, some some benefits to that. clearly not clearly not. i mean, this is july and it feels like november. december. i mean, it's awful. >> it is pretty awful, we've had rain. the temperature hasn't really gone above much, much

beyond about 20 degrees for weeks. >> we've had little isolated spots of a warm day here or there or, you know, a warm weekend. >> yes. to be fair, actually, two days ago it was quite sunny down here, wasn't it? >> but but then. but then maybe we just imagining. >> i think we're just imagining, you know, some july now i can compare because my birthday is in july and i've had it boiling hot. i've had it cold and raining. i've had it boiling hot, cold and raining. you know, maybe this is just normal. people need to get over it. it's just the weather. it's what it does. it changes. >> it does change. but i, i've seen reports that this is an unusually cold july. this is an i saw reports that it was unusually hot. >> july, >> july, >> that was june. june was unusually hot, apparently, although i'm not sure if when you were sleeping, when you were sleeping, >> anyway, we're going to get some expert , expert analysis of that. >> not just us. >> not just us. >> not just us. >> not just us pontificating about that. gbnews.com/yoursay. please do get in touch. it's been quite a heavy show today with all the news around crime and punishment. so, you know, we've got to chat a little.

yeah, we'll talk about the weather as well. headlines with severe. >> emily thank you. good afternoon. from the dup newsroom at 2:02. your top story this houn at 2:02. your top story this hour, as you've been hearing a man who plotted to kidnap, rape and murder tv presenter holly willoughby has been jailed for life with a minimum term of 15 years in prison. 37 year old security guard gavin plumb, from harlow in essex, was arrested and charged after he disclosed his plans online to an undercover police officer in the us.dunng undercover police officer in the us. during the sentencing hearing, the judge , mrjustice hearing, the judge, mr justice edward murray, praised the courage of holly willoughby and said no woman should feel unsafe due to their gender. the officer in charge of the case spoke outside chelmsford crown court. >> plan this attack on miss willoughby over a two year period, scoping her movements si king seeking help from others and buying items that would incapacitate and inflict

violence. he is not a fantasist. he's a calculating sexual predator who has spent his adult life seeking to inflict violence on women . on women. >> a 26 year old man has been arrested on suspicion of the murders of three women in hertfordshire. 61 year old carol hunt and her two daughters, 25 year old louise and hannah, who's 28, were attacked at their home in bushey, hertfordshire. police say the main suspect has been treated for injuries in hospital since then, but was only arrested today. he remains in a serious condition. the deaths of four migrants in the engush deaths of four migrants in the english channel are truly awful . english channel are truly awful. that's according to the home secretary, yvette cooper's comments came as the migrants drowned after their boat capsized. the french coast guard says more than 60 people were reported to be on the boat off the northern coast near boulogne. latest home office figures show 419 people made the journey across the channel from france to the uk in six boats on

tuesday. it suggests an average of around 70 people per boat, taking the provisional total for 2024 to just over 14,000. violent prisoners could be released early under new government measures to tackle overcrowding in prisons. the justice secretary is set to announce emergency plans amid fears jails will run out of space within weeks. prime minister sir keir starmer has said that the shocking crisis is worse than he had first feared. it is expected that prisoners could receive early release after 40% of their sentence is served. currently, it stands at 50, but former justice served. currently, it stands at 50, but formerjustice minister sir robert buckland says labour can't just blame the previous government. >> the government just merely points the finger at its predecessor and doesn't come up with other ideas about how to reduce the population awaiting trial. the remand population, then i think it will have missed an opportunity and i think it's important that viewers know that we should be looking very carefully to make sure that that

serious, violent criminals should not be released. and anybody on this scheme shouldn't be a domestic abuser or a stalker or or an offender of that nature, because we should be maintaining confidence and making sure the public aren't put at risk. >> and we show you some pictures now of the princess royal, who's making her first public appearance since she suffered concussion on her estate. she's at hartpury university in gloucestershire, and she can be seen here talking to the people . seen here talking to the people. us president joe biden has vowed to fight on despite two major gaffes at the nato summit and a growing number of democrats calling on him to stand aside. speaking at the washington event last night, he mistakenly referred to ukrainian president vladimir zelenskyy as president putin before correcting himself. >> ukraine will prevail in this war and we'll stand with them every single step of the way. that's what the compact says loudly and clearly and now i

want to hand it over to the president of ukraine, who has as much courage as he has determination. ladies and gentlemen, president putin, president putin, you got beat. president putin, you got beat. president putin, you got beat. president putin, president zelenskyy, i'm so focused on beating putin, we got to worry about it anyway . about it anyway. >> speaking just a short while later, while taking questions from journalists, he mixed up the names of vice president kamala harris and donald trump . kamala harris and donald trump. >> i wouldn't have picked vice president trump to be vice president. did i think she was not qualified to be president? so let's start there . so let's start there. >> but despite his two mistakes. sir keir starmer has defended joe biden's leadership of the nato summit. the prime minister, who earlier insisted mr biden was not senile and was on good form, faced questions about the president's mental ability just moments after the us leader's gaffe. those are the latest gb news headlines. for now, i'm sophia wenzler more in half an

hour for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code or go to gbnews.com forward slash alerts . forward slash alerts. >> good afternoon britain. it's 2:08 now. gavin plumb, the man found guilty of hatching depraved and vile, plans to kidnap, rape and murder tv star holly willoughby. he's been sentenced to a minimum of 15 years and 85 days in prison. >> well, let's cross to chelmsford crown court and speak with gb news national reporter theo chikomba. some of the details in that sentencing were truly shocking . truly shocking. >> they were indeed . and the >> they were indeed. and the court heard today that gavin plumb, 37 year old, who's a security guard from harlow in essex, had been planning this

attack for over two years. he was found guilty of plotting to rape, murder and kill a tv presenter. holly willoughby . presenter. holly willoughby. now, by his own admission, plumb said he was a loner and that he spent time and he ended up getting obsessed with the tv presenter and that led to him going online and speaking to what he didn't know at the time. as an undercover officer in the us on the social media app called kik. now this conversation went for on some time. they exchanged messages he had posted pictures of miss willoughby on there and then he went on to explain what he wanted to do as part of this attack. now david nelson , not attack. now david nelson, not his real name, had also given evidence anonymously as the undercover officer, as part of this trial, a trial which lasted eight days. and we understand that mr plumb had been remanded in custody for around 280 days. now, in terms of what we heard

in court today, the prosecutor added that mr plumb had been researching miss holly willoughby's movements, looking where she lived and knowledge trying to gain knowledge about whether she had cctv footage or not. and this was all part of a plan to what she described as a plan to what she described as a plan to what she described as a plan to abduct and kill. now, we also heard from sasha wass, who is plum's barrister, who said the defendant is embarrassed and ashamed about the details of the onune ashamed about the details of the online conversations that he had and he didn't expect them to come out and that they would remain private now. she went on to add , just before the judge to add, just before the judge announced his sentencing, to add, just before the judge announced his sentencing , that announced his sentencing, that it should have been looked at in terms of offences of planning which did not take place and that nothing was actually done. but in the last half an hour or so, we did hear from the detective chief inspector greg wood, just over there on my right shoulder, where the police station is. and he said, this cannot be right for men to have

access to forums where they plan to cause harm to girls and women. but what we can say today is that he has been sentenced to 15 years and 85 days as a minimum . minimum. >> while theo chikomba, thank you very much for bringing us that outside chelmsford crown court. deeply serious case with huge ramifications. >> and as we were discussing, this was by no means his first offence. questions may be asked as to why he was out living his life as normal. >> yeah, this could have been caught so much earlier. >> he was first arrested, attempting to kidnap women holding an imitation firearm on the stansted express, passing notes to women saying i'm a police officer. get off with me at the next station. thank goodness none of them did. he was then later arrested again . was then later arrested again. he got a suspended sentence for that. he was later arrested again after this time actually false , imprisoning 216 year old

false, imprisoning 216 year old girls, tying one up, holding them at knifepoint. thank goodness one of the other escaped and raised the alarm. he served just 16 months in prison for that. and then this a third occasion, a third sentencing. how many times do people need to be caught , how many times do people need to be caught, arrested, how many times do people need to be caught , arrested, sentenced, be caught, arrested, sentenced, convicted and released in order for the system to get the message? stop releasing these dangerous criminals, putting women and the public in general just at so much risk. >> and the judge in his sentencing remarks, those are mitigating factors of which there weren't many. one of them being that because he's so grossly obese, he may not have been able to actually physically go through with his plan, but we know that he was looking for accomplices to help him . accomplices to help him. fortunately, he wasn't able to follow through with that. also, the fact he didn't have a driving licence, he couldn't drive a car was one of those other mitigating factors. but apart from that, he was so many aggravations to this.

>> but do you get in touch? gbnews.com forward slash your say do you think 15 years and 85 days as a minimum sentence is frankly long enough? >> should life mean life? that's the question we always come back to, isn't it? when we hear these sentences with the minimum term up for parole, will they be let out? will they even serve their whole sentence? these questions always in our justice system. but we're going to move on to something lighter, although perhaps it's a little dreary. the weather and why it's been quite so rubbish. it is of course, meant to be july, which is considered by most to be a summer month. >> yes, the uk has endured grey skies and wet floors for most . skies and wet floors for most. yeah. or indeed pavements, grounds, grass for the most of the last two months, with even some of us feeling the chill with temperatures below 20 degrees. so when will it get warmer ? warmer? >> well, who better to ask than meteorologist john kettley , meteorologist john kettley, john, why is the weather being so miserable , so miserable, >> good afternoon, both of you,

>> good afternoon, both of you, >> well, isn't it strange? >> well, isn't it strange? >> i always think that wimbledon is a sort of benchmark as to how the summer is. and now it's going to pan out. but even yesterday, although it was the warmest day of the championship so far, at wimbledon, it got to 24 degrees. what happened afterwards? there was a big downpour in the middle of central london yesterday evening. i don't know if you got caughtin evening. i don't know if you got caught in it, but there was some torrential rainfall, so it just can't settle down at the moment. i'm afraid it's all to do with this dreaded jetstream, which is not in the place we'd like it to be. instead of feeding in lovely, warm , sunny weather from lovely, warm, sunny weather from southern europe, we keep getting a cool northerly wind out from the atlantic, and that's the main reason it's a bit technical. it's a bit boring to talk about it like that , but talk about it like that, but unless we get the high pressure moving position and we start to feed in much hotter air from the south, then i'm afraid we're going to stay very unsettled and changeable for the time being. but it's not that unusual. it has to be said, most of our summers are pretty ordinary. i think we've been lulled into a false sense of security in the past six years. say we had that very hot spell in july 18th and

again in july 19th. then we had those record breaking temperatures just a couple of years ago, and we got to 40 degrees. that really isn't the norm . that's exceptional. and norm. that's exceptional. and generally speaking, our summers are pretty boring, really messing with us. >> this jetstream, it really is ruining our day. >> i'm very concerned about it though, because there are all sorts of forecasts about whether or not the jetstream will continue into the future. i mean, we, our climate relies on this jet stream. mean, we, our climate relies on thisjet stream. is mean, we, our climate relies on this jet stream. is this a sort of one off, or is this perhaps something we should be more concerned about? >> well, i think in my opinion, having been doing this job for so many years, i think this is more the norm than the extreme temperatures that we've had to see in the last few years. you know, it isn't in a position which is unusual, but we do like it to be in a different position andifs it to be in a different position and it's always vacillating. it's always changing its amplitude. and all that kind of thing. it's always changing its wavelength, if you want to call it that. it's a sinusoidal pattern of winds in the upper atmosphere, which is always on the move. and sadly, it's just not settling down in the right

place at the moment. but we can go back to heat waves in the past, say 21 years ago, 2003. but extremely hot weather in the well, parts of july, but particularly into august. and then in 2006, we had a very, very hot 2006, in july. so we had these hot conditions and everybody started talking about this being the norm . well, what this being the norm. well, what happened after that? we had some extremely wet summers in two thousand and seven, eight, nine, 12. you can name it. lots of very poor summers after that. so there's nothing typical about a british summer. people say it's , british summer. people say it's, unpredictable. i don't believe that. i think we can always forecast it, but it's unreliable and that's the trouble. >> well, we've still got august to look forward to. perhaps a warm september. september is usually quite nice. at least the first week. so, you know, it's not all over yet. >> we'll just i believe that actually, emily, i would agree with that. i think because it's been so dire, so far. if nothing else, we can actually go for the law of averages and say, well, the good weather's got to come at some point. so august into september, let's go for that. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> the law of averages. sorry.

>> the law of averages. sorry. >> are we basing this on anything other than probability. is there any meteorological, sort of assessment to think that this could be a warmer september? >> there's nothing wrong with probabilities, tom. nothing wrong with probabilities at all. if everything else fails, go for that. and we can also look at patterns of weather in previous decades as well. and that's the way things have been going. we've seen, generally speaking, poor summers, just extremely hot ones occasionally. so this is much more the norm. i think we've been used to going back down to the mediterranean for our summer holidays and thinking the weather's going to be exactly the same when you come back home. it very rarely is . back home. it very rarely is. and i think generally speaking, although we will, we will get some much, much nicer weather in the next two months. we will, i can promise you that we will. >> i can feel it, but it's not reliable, >> well, i'm happy because it was the sun shone on my wedding, and, you know, that's all i can ask for anyway. thank you. john kettley, meteorologist . great to kettley, meteorologist. great to have you on. good stuff. >> it's good to have an optimistic meteorologist. >> the law of averages is fine. >> the law of averages is fine. >> no, i think yeah, i'm just hoping that it's really wet and

miserable in august for the two weeks when i'm abroad. and if it's sunny, nice because i just know, knowing my luck, i'm going to fly away. and that's going to be the time that the england gets all the sun. >> it does happen quite a lot actually. when you book somewhere to get the sun and then it's just as nice in the uk, but there's not so many beaches to frolic on perhaps, yes . well, we're going to turn yes. well, we're going to turn to the united states because president joe biden well, the gaffes keep coming. he's a particularly bad one yesterday. confusing vladimir zelenskyy, the ukrainian president for vladimir putin, the russian president. so an ally for a foe there, very embarrassing, very awkward for those in the room. we've been discussing how long biden can really continue on. >> well, let's turn this question to gb news reporter charlie peters. because, charlie, i suppose he's under more scrutiny than he has ever been before on this question of gaffes. yes. >> and this nato summit in washington was seen as a big opportunity for biden to rescue his presidency after the debate

on the 27th of june, which his own team have described as being a bad day. he had a bad day, is what the press secretary in the white house said. and the wider kind of democrat. media alliances have also said that it was disastrous, a very negative turn since then. this press conference in particular, last night was seen as a pivotal moment because so many of his media appearances in recent weeks , particularly since june weeks, particularly since june the 27th, have been with teleprompters. it's been supported. he's had cue cards. last night it was him on his own, going free at it, and in that he's obviously let himself down in some way. we've also got a clip i think, of his cabinet reacting to him describing zelenskyy. no, not zelenskyy as putin, but rather describing kamala harris as vice president. trump >> i wouldn't have picked vice president trump to be vice president. did i think she was not qualified to be president? so let's start there . number one. one. >>

one. >> well, even i got the gaffes mixed up there. but for those listening on the radio, you've got secretary of state antony blinken. then you also have the defence secretary, lloyd austin. and at the back it's jake sullivan, the national security adviser. now lloyd austin stays pretty steely eyed throughout. but blinken, you can see him look down, reacting in shock to that line. and jake sullivan bnngs that line. and jake sullivan brings his hand to his mouth and looks to the floor as it happens. so they've reacted quite strongly to that incident. the cameras obviously pinged on them constantly during these moments. now, while this is going on, about 20 congressional democrats have said that they want biden to drop out. that's a big number one. senator peter welch from vermont. but it's who's not going public. that's attracting a lot of commentary attracting a lot of commentary at the moment. we do know that former president barack obama and former speaker nancy pelosi are understood to be having private conversations about their concerns about how much more difficult it's now becoming for biden to defeat trump in november. at the same time,

other outlets in the us are reporting that there is now a growing unofficial committee to unelect the president from veteran democrats who are organising hourly. speaking to donors. one major donor who has spoken out in the last week as george clooney, the actor now just last month on the 16th of june, he held a major fundraiser in hollywood alongside julia roberts. his on screen co—star, and barack obama. that former president . well, this week he president. well, this week he raised $30 million at that event in tinseltown. but this week he's written in the new york times urging biden to step down, saying that he's not the man he knew. in 2010, not even the man he knew in 2020. his legacy is secured. many democrats say he defeated trump in that most recent election , but now many recent election, but now many are publicly saying, and it appears also privately as well, that he has to step down. now >> well, let's have a look at some of these other gaffes that have been going on, because, of course, this wasn't the first one joe biden went to shake the hand of someone on stage not so long ago, only to realise there

was no one on stage to turn around looking lost. but looking lost isn't the only time that we've seen that either. at the g7 in italy, only last month, he starts wandering off while the rest of those g7 leaders were stood together. he has to be pulled back by the italian prime minister giorgia meloni. people are starting to see, frankly, what the republicans have been saying for some years now. >> republicans and also many members of the public. i mean, before this incident on the 27th, a lot of registered voters did suggest that biden wasn't prepared, but also , we need to prepared, but also, we need to think about what's the republican reaction to this now , republican reaction to this now, because trump lets slip almost earlier this week and this hasn't been picked up on so much, he said. we planned for biden. i think it's quite clear now that the gop wants biden to stay in place, and it's looking increasingly likely now. the odds put kamala harris, the vice president, to replace biden before the dnc, before the convention in august, when the delegates will select president

biden. but it's not clear whether or not that's a situation that would favour trump and the republicans. there increasingly of the view that they'll beat biden. they want him to stay in the race. >> well, it's very interesting indeed. >> well, it's very interesting indeed . thank you so much, indeed. thank you so much, charlie peters gb news reporter. now, coming up, we're going to be hearing from ollie watkins, the scorer in that match with the scorer in that match with the netherlands. he's going to be telling us, updating us at this press conference. there you go. we are waiting patiently. that'll be up next the

break. >> good afternoon. britain. it's 2:26. what we're looking at is the preparations for a big press conference from the england team, in germany, of course, ahead of our cup final on

sunday. we're going to be heanng sunday. we're going to be hearing from ollie watkins in just a few moments time. >> i am so excited for sunday. it's going to be a mega match. the most mega of matches ever. >> do you think we're going to win? >> absolutely we are. tom never doubt it. never doubt. you may have doubted scotland's performance. >> i was right to. >> i was right to. >> which was a bit mean, a bit mean. but england are going to storm ahead and they're going to take it home. >> we like being the underdogs, i think. i think a lot of people think that spain have been a very consistent performer over the course of this tournament, but, but england maybe , maybe but, but england maybe, maybe being a consistent performer. isn't that what we need? we need to be an erratic and surprising performer . performer. >> plucky is another word for it. plucky, full of beans, full of, inspiration and aspiration. it's going to be great. but yes, we will bring you straight back to this press conference when ollie watkins takes his seat. >> but something quite different now for migrants have died whilst crossing the english channel this morning, capsizing off the northern french coast near boulogne sur mer early this

morning. >> yes. according to french coastguard, 63 migrants were rescued in this operation . but rescued in this operation. but the home secretary has called this incident incident a truly, truly awful. >> well , let's discuss truly awful. >> well, let's discuss this truly awful. >> well , let's discuss this with >> well, let's discuss this with our gb news political correspondent , correspondent correspondent, correspondent katherine forster, because , katherine forster, because, catherine, this is something, of course , that the home office course, that the home office hasn't directly dealt with. it was the french that picked this boat up. but what have the british government had to say about it ? about it? >> yes, indeed. good afternoon, tom and emily. >> and a reminder that this problem that so dogged rishi sunakis problem that so dogged rishi sunak is continuing under the new labour government. now yvette cooper the new home secretary, saying on x the further loss of life in the channelis further loss of life in the channel is truly awful. my thoughts are with all those affected going on to say criminal gangs are making vast profits from putting lives at risk. we are accelerating action

with international partners to pursue and bring down dangerous smuggler gangs. so of course, for people tragically died near the coast of france last night. that follows five who died, including a child just back in april. and we know that over 400 people came across just on tuesday on six boats. and this year so far, over 14,000 people have made that dangerous crossing. now, of course, it was a challenge that rishi sunak didn't manage to stop the boats as he promised the new government hasn't made that pledge at all, but it has said it's going to crack down on the gangs. but, you know, the past government was trying to do that anyway and they did. have they thought, the deterrent of rwanda. they had promised that if they'd been elected, flights would have started to take off

this month. now, labour were never having any truck with it. they thought it was a gimmick. they've scrapped it immediately, and rwanda are basically saying there'll be no refund of the £270 million that's already gone to that country, because they're describing this basically as a unhed describing this basically as a united kingdom problem. so a lot of money being spent. and of course, where is the deterrent now? i asked the keir starmer, a couple of weeks ago what deterrent there was. if you took away rwanda and while he was still on the election trail, and he said stopping the gangs, that is the deterrent, i'm not sure that's quite right. i mean, stopping the gangs, if it was easy. yes, of course we would want to do that. but, you know, work has been going on, on this and across europe for some time , and across europe for some time, but trying to reduce the pull factors that encourage people to cross the whole of europe and then decide to make that

crossing to get to england, you know, rwanda in theory. and okay, lots of people thought nobody would ever go and they were proved right. but the theory was if you came here, you would be sent packing on a one way ticket to rwanda. you would not be coming back. and that once hundreds of people had been sent, then people would stop and think, actually, they'd rather stay in france without that, it's very, very difficult. and this, border security command that labour are talking about and they've already run into a bit of trouble because they did want neil basu, who had used to be the uk counterterrorism head. they really had hoped that he would apply to head up that force. but he has declined the opportunity to apply. there is really nothing easy about stopping these boats under laboun stopping these boats under labour, just as there was nothing easy about it under the conservative government >> absolutely right. thank you

so much, katherine forster. our gb news political correspondent there, live from westminster, and catherine is quite right. there is no deterrent now. >> no, no, of course, besides putting your life at risk and we see thousands of people are willing to do that. although labour might argue what deterrent was rwanda ? of course deterrent was rwanda? of course it never got up and running. but even the threat of rwanda, which sometimes government advisers claimed the threat was, was reducing boat numbers. and then it turned out that it wasn't it was just whether often that was reduced. we can't say can we? >> we can't say because it didn't get off the ground, didn't get off the ground, didn't get off the ground, didn't get off the ground. the flights never took off. that scheme is now dead in the water, never happening . and so what never happening. and so what will the deterrent be? will there just simply not be one? we know the boats continue to come and unfortunately more people will lose their lives as a result. and it will cost our country masses in money. so there you go. can't be an unsolvable problem. >> well, in cheerier news, we're going to be live at the press conference in germany ahead of that semi, ahead of that final,

i should say on, on sunday. ollie watkins, the semi—final hero, will be speaking. that's after your headlines with sophia . after your headlines with sophia. >> tom. emily. thank you. good afternoon . it's just after 2:30. afternoon. it's just after 2:30. your headlines leading the news this afternoon. a man who plotted to kidnap, rape and murder tv presenter holly willoughby has been jailed for life with a minimum term of 15 years in prison. 37 year old security guard gavin plumb, from harlow in essex, was arrested and charged after he disclosed his plans online to an undercover police officer in the us.dunng undercover police officer in the us. during the sentencing hearing, the judge, mr justice edward murray, praised the courage of holly willoughby and said no woman should feel unsafe due to their gender. a 26 year old man has now been arrested on suspicion of the murders of three women in hertfordshire . 61

three women in hertfordshire. 61 year old carol hunt and her two daughters, 25 year old louise and hannah, who's 28, were attacked at their home in bushey, hertfordshire. police say the main suspect has been treated for injuries in hospital since then, but was only arrested today. he remains in a serious condition in bristol. a taxi has been seized as part of a manhunt after two suitcases containing human remains were left at clifton suspension bridge . police say it's their bridge. police say it's their immediate priority to trace their main suspect, and have released a description of someone seen on cctv last night . someone seen on cctv last night. he travelled to the bridge via taxi and dropped off the luggage. there's been no detail so far about potential victims or a motive , and thousands of or a motive, and thousands of prisoners are to be released earlier than planned as the government attempts to avert the collapse of the prison system. the justice secretary is announcing emergency plans amid fears jails will run out of

space within weeks. prime minister sir keir starmer has said that the shocking crisis is worse than he had first feared. it is expected that prisoners could receive early release after 40% of their sentence is served . currently it stands at served. currently it stands at 50, but former justice served. currently it stands at 50, but formerjustice minister sir robert buckland says labour can't just blame the previous government . and finally, royal government. and finally, royal news the princess royal has begun her first public engagement since suffering concussion after she was believed to have been struck by a horse. anne, who's 73, spent five nights in hospital after the accident while out walking on her estate earlier this month. it is understood the visit to hartpury college in gloucestershire is her first step in a phased return to pubuc step in a phased return to public duties, as she continues her recovery. those are the latest gv news headlines. for now, i'm sophia wenzler more in half an hour for the very latest gb news direct to your

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>> right. it's 239. you're watching. good afternoon , watching. good afternoon, britain. and it's martin. up next, he joins us now. martin, what's coming up on your show, then? what have you got for us? >> guys, let's face facts. it's time for joe to >> guys, let's face facts. it's time forjoe to go. let's just time for joe to go. let's just drop the pretence. let's drop the act. it's time president putin, vice president trump, all those democrats that have been supporting this nonsense for months should hang their heads in shame. their man has to be removed from the battlefield. i'll speak to a democrat, party congressmen for their take. and also a former trump adviser. but they want him, of course, to stay. plus join the revolt,

nigel farage said about the reform party. but now, is there a revolt within the reform party? ben habib booted out as the deputy leader of the party. not at all happy about that. nigel farage, facing his biggest challenge over internal politics and only two more sleeps to go, of course, until berlin . the of course, until berlin. the three lions. can they do it? i'll speak to a spanish football journalist who says england are the team that the favourite spain fear the most. they think it's finally coming home. 3 to 6 pm. goodness me. p.m. goodness me. >> so the spanish are quivering in their boots. excellent stuff. >> what we like to hear that is exactly what we like to hear. >> i hope he's right. bodes well, i'd say. thank you very much, martin. thank you . much, martin. thank you. >> well, just to remind you, of course, the semi—final hero, ollie watkins, is due to speak to the press ahead of that final on sunday. we can see the room filling up there for this press conference, which we will bring you live as soon as it starts.

>> yes. good stuff, now an extensive manhunt moving on from the football. an extensive manhunt continues after two suitcases with human remains were found on clifton suspension bridge in bristol. >> yes, avon and somerset police have released images of the suspect and urged anyone who sees him not to approach him and to call 999 immediately. >> yes . so the police have >> yes. so the police have confirmed that just before midnight on wednesday, the suspect was taken to the bristol landmark by taxi, whereby where passers by reported a man acting suspiciously. >> well, joining us now is former police sergeant harry tang. because, harry, this is a deeply concerning, and slightly cunous deeply concerning, and slightly curious case. >> it is. >> it is. >> hello, tom. hello, emily, it is, and it's unusual, isn't it? it's the sort of thing you usually see on some thriller or

whatever , and people aren't used whatever, and people aren't used to it so close to home. it's quite frightening, it's an interesting one. the police have got a massive scale operation now they've got to identify a few things. they've got a number of scenes. so if you're looking at the cctv and there's a lot of very useful ring doorbells out there, that people can assist with, it's very clear description. i don't think it's a matter of time. it's probably a matter of time. it's probably a matter of time. it's probably a matter of time or they have a goodidea a matter of time or they have a good idea who it is right now. and if you look at his footwear, it's, on the full image, there's really thick white soles that if you didn't see him since because he disposed of them, you probably remember someone wearing them beforehand. the forensics of course, are going to be on the bridge. the cases it's going to be in the taxi. they'll be looking where the taxi picked the person up. how he actually ordered the taxi. was it cash ? was it cards? all was it cash? was it cards? all these things are traceable. and what is it? the app, of course. and then you've got the post—mortem. this will be a forensic post—mortem, which is different from the standard post—mortem. post—mortem will tell you how someone died and

it's used for non—suspicious. then you get the, the, the home office, forensic pathologists who will tell you how they died. so not in what process and in what order, and whether they were tortured and whether ligatures were used, etc. and it will tell the police a lot more about that individual. i imagine it won't be long before we establish the identity of that person with dna . dna is will be person with dna. dna is will be looked for in the taxi as well as all the rest of the scenes, of course. and of course, we don't know if he's the killer or not. he could have been just the person transporting. he's come to the actual security part of clifton from what i can see from the information we've had, he hasn't been able to get through. he's then sort of been in a panicky situation, and then some say he's been chased by a cyclist, but the security guard's good for them, have alerted very quickly . and the alerted very quickly. and the police were there within ten minutes. so if he'd panicked , minutes. so if he'd panicked, hopefully he's made more mistakes and that they've they can establish some more, some more details to trace him, >> i thought eyewitnesses had

said that there were two men. we have that picture there of what appears to be a young ish black man with a cap. and as you say, with those trainers on. but i heard from eyewitnesses that perhaps there was another, another man, a white man. >> yes, exactly. and i've tried to look into that a little bit more, but i haven't found anything else . it's. i wouldn't anything else. it's. i wouldn't until the official, information is across, because if there was a white man, then i would have expected a description. unless they were very well covered. and there's no point releasing something that's just a blur, but i also know through my 30 years on frontline policing, is that witnesses? very well meaning witnesses . but they can, meaning witnesses. but they can, when they're thinking back, think things that just aren't correct. i mean, i've had things where people say they were coming from the top of the hill down to the bottom, and they crashed when in fact they were going uphill. so it's well meaning i'm not saying it's wrong, but i haven't heard too much about that. >> yes, human memory, i suppose, is imperfect and we can all sort

of misremember and then remember our misremembering and be completely convinced that we knew what we saw when we didn't see anything like it . knew what we saw when we didn't see anything like it. but, but, harry, this is, of course, both a missing person's case. it's a manhunt, but it's also mystery. >> it is. it's a mystery. and i think the pieces will start to fall into place very quickly, because we have that very good description . now, there are description. now, there are a lot of young men in this country who we have no idea who they are. of course, we they they might have a criminal record as long as your arm, but in another country. and that will take a longer time to establish, with interpol or whatever, or going, with europe. europe etc. but we don't know if this is a gang crime. we don't know if this is just, but it, it it's a big step, isn't it, from, killing someone and then literally getting them into two suitcases and then moving them to try to, i assume, throw them from the

bndge i assume, throw them from the bridge into the water, because if it gets to the water, the chances are, yes, they the cases may wash up , chances are, yes, they the cases may wash up, but chances are, yes, they the cases may wash up , but they're just chances are, yes, they the cases may wash up, but they're just as likely that they can enter the sea and never be seen again, which can often happen in our waterways, so good for those security guards. thank goodness for the cameras that have given us that good picture, and yes , us that good picture, and yes, the police, their, their, their net is spreading much, much quicker. and i hope it will be a member of the public who recognises the individual. i hopeit recognises the individual. i hope it will be somebody who's caught them on further cctv or whatever, and or even a police informants. they're out there and police informants won't like what's happened and, and will inform the police as well. so watch this space for the next 24 hours and i think things will develop. i have a hunch over it. >> well, of course i mean, clifton suspension bridge is very much in prime view. you can see it from so many directions. of course, there'll be a lot of surveillance there as well. it is almost bizarre that he this suspect, if he has committed a crime or whatever , would do so

crime or whatever, would do so there. but thank you very much indeed. there. but thank you very much indeed . harry tang, always great indeed. harry tang, always great to get you on to discuss crime issues. former police sergeant, of course. >> well , we of course. >> well, we promise it will happen. will it? yes. the semi—final hero, ollie watkins, due to speak to the press ahead of the final on sunday. we're going to bring you this press conference live. you can see the room still filling up as soon as he does speak and indeed gets there behind the sort of, desk there. we'll bring you we'll bnng there. we'll bring you we'll bring you this live anticipating it highly building. yeah. first, first little break.

well. excitement continues to grow as we are just two days away from england's euros final against spain. i should say it's ten minutes to 3:00. and you're

watching. good afternoon. britain. i'm that excited. we're diving straight into the content. of course, that final is set to take place on sunday evening. >> yes . they'll be gearing up, >> yes. they'll be gearing up, practising, rehearsing their strategies. the england manager, gareth southgate, has said that his players need to be tactically perfect if we are to beat the spanish team, who impressively overcame france in their semi—final. but, but, but as martin daubney was just telling us, the spanish are fearful, too fearful of the three lions, three lions as they should be. >> but ahead of this, momentous game, the first final the engush game, the first final the english men's team has ever played on foreign soil. let's cross to that foreign soil in berlin, where the final will be taking place with, gb news reporter jack carson. and good to see that the weather is not as is just as terrible in berlin as is just as terrible in berlin as it is in london. >> yeah , well, it's >> yeah, well, it's thunderstorms here in berlin at the moment, but let's hope england a lightning on sunday in that final, shall we? i mean,

we're here, of course, right in the centre of berlin. i mean , the centre of berlin. i mean, just you saying there, tom, that england are in the final of the euros. he's just getting me all giddy and excited once again. and you can just feel that just tinge of anticipation, that tinge of anticipation, that tinge of anticipation, that tinge of excitement on so many people's faces, on, on so many people's faces, on, on so many people's voices when you talk to them. there's been quite a few england fans here that are coming here already that have maybe travelled from different parts of germany , travel from parts of germany, travel from dortmund where they've watched the semi—final. you can just feel that excitement, feel that kind of rush of energy that we are here once again in our second consecutive european championship final, and the players know, gareth southgate knows that you were just saying there england need to be tactically perfect. declan rice has said in a in a press conference this week that that that 2021 final where we lost on penalties to italy still haunts him. so the players know that they've got this redemption. they want to redeem themselves and go all the way this time. gareth southgate, in the passion that he showed after that semi—final, was shouting to the fans one more time, one more time, but can we do it? and of course, we've been speaking to

some of the fans here that have already arrived in berlin. here's what they told us earlier on. we're going to win it, aren't we? >> it's our time. it's ours. we've got it long enough. >> this is our year now. >> this is our year now. >> first abroad final. >> first abroad final. >> it's got to be got to be a change of luck from three years ago. >> are you going to the game? >> are you going to the game? >> yep, yep. >> yep, yep. >> we are. absolutely. yeah. >> we are. absolutely. yeah. >> yeah. we think two nil england this time. >> how are you feeling? how are the nerves i to be honest with you, not nervous. i was way nervous. way more nervous for the semi—final because, you know, if we'd lost tickets for the final, it's not quite the same, is it? coming to watch somewhere else. but now there's a feeling we've got there. we're just going to enjoy it. it'll be a great game. i think we'll we'll sell it well against spain. i don't think they'll fancy playing us and let's just see whether we can continue that improvement. if we continue the level of improvement we've seen. game on game, we'll win it. >> i'm sure. >> i'm sure. >> well, i mean, where we are now, right now in berlin of course, this is where the broadcasters have been broadcasting from. and if we just switch around, tom and emily, here we are at the brandenburg gate. this is the historic part of berlin. this is

just. this whole place is filled with history . and there is one with history. and there is one thing that england have to do, and that is make more history. being the first men's team to win on foreign soil. win that final on sunday. can we do it? i just feel the excitement the fans are feeling, the excitement surely it's coming home. >> jack. my goodness me , your >> jack. my goodness me, your excitement is infecting us right the way through. through the capitals of europe. we're all very jack , thank you so much for very jack, thank you so much for bringing us that report live from berlin. >> i think that's cheered us up, hasn't it? i think so, it's cheered you up at home, with all the bad news that's going on. it's great to look forward to something. so. yes. sunday. be there. don't miss it. >> and also don't miss martin daubney. who's up next? we're of course, back on monday at midday. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on gb news

>> good afternoon. here's your latest gb news. weather forecast from the met office . it is going from the met office. it is going to be a bit messy as we go into this weekend. there'll be some rain, some showers around and a glimmer of sunshine at times. looking at the bigger picture and there is high pressure just to the west of us, but also various features , bringing some various features, bringing some showery rain for some two in the south—west. watch out for some heavy thundery downpours as we head towards this evening. could cause some localised issues elsewhere. there will be some clouds, some showery rain, some thicker cloud. bring some more persistent rain to eastern parts of england as that pushes in from the north sea. perhaps a little bit drier further west. still some spots of rain around a lot of cloud though, so temperatures generally holding up in double figures , especially up in double figures, especially in the towns and cities through tomorrow morning. then a damp picture across eastern parts . picture across eastern parts. further outbreaks of rain here in the south, though any showers will have cleared overnight, so it's a mostly dry picture here in the southwest. some sunshine earlier on. cloudier further east. further outbreaks of

showery rain as we head further northwards. always brightest the further west you go. because of that high pressure that i mentioned earlier, further east, it is always going to be that bit cloudier. that bit damper and there'll be some blustery winds to watch out for. and there'll be some blustery winds to watch out for . too winds to watch out for. too little change as we go through the rest of the day. we are going to see that rain across eastern parts, pushing a bit further west, and so more places likely to turn a little bit damper, but further west still some bright or sunny spells and just a few showers to watch out for. some of those showers could be heavy, possibly thundery, but not looking as intense as those that we've seen today. temperatures are going to be a little bit below average for the time of year, and feeling pretty cool towards those eastern coastal parts because of the cloud, the rain, and those brisk winds. more rain pushing in from the north sea as we go through later saturday into sunday. elsewhere, staying largely dry, some bright sunny spells and in fact sunday doesn't look too bad. just a few showers to watch out for before more rain arrives in time for the beginning of next week. bye bye. >> that warm feeling inside from

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