well what do you say keeps on making blunders at the very best, meanwhile, king charles has been seen fist bumping the west indies cricket team and the prince of wales has lost his voice due to cheering on england. do we want the monarchy to be more like us, or should there be more.7 i don't know, a bit like our late queen. maybe and in a music festival in london, a band and i quote clothing , garments and items clothing, garments and items which promote cultural appropriation. it's a music festival. people what does that even mean? it's the fun police in full on patrol this summer. plus, england . yes. come on. not

plus, england. yes. come on. not far to go. we play in the euros final one. so you might have noticed. not been mentioned much. euros final on sunday. but should the mayor of london us sadiq khan get england flags flying on the capital street? we seem to have every other flag flying. so what's wrong with that saint george's flag? hey, that's all to come in the next houn that's all to come in the next hour. you don't want to miss it. but first, let's get the latest news headlines with the lovely sam. >> dawn, thank you very much. and good evening to you. it's just after 6:00 on the story, leading the news this evening. the metropolitan police has now taken over the investigation into human remains. that were found in two suitcases near the clifton suspension bridge in bristol. if you're watching on television, these are the live pictures coming to us from now in west london, where there is an increased police presence outside a block of flats in the shepherd's bush area . officers shepherd's bush area. officers there say the suspect is thought

to have travelled from london to bristol, where the suspect left the suitcases containing human remains. we now know the bodies are said to be of two adult men well this afternoon. police have also issued a warning not to approach the suspect involved in the case, with detectives urging anyone who may see him or know his whereabouts to call 999 immediately. any more details on that story? we will bring them to you as we get them . in other to you as we get them. in other news, a security guard has been jailed today for life with a minimum term of 15 years for plotting to kidnap, to rape and to murder. the tv presenter holly willoughby. the judge said gavin plumb had a history of attacking women and hatched his sadistic, brutal and degrading plan over a number of years . plan over a number of years. >> plan this attack on miss willoughby over a two year period, scoping her movements si king seeking help from others and buying items that would incapacitate and inflict violence. he is not a fantasist.

he's a calculating sexual predator who has spent his adult life seeking to inflict violence on women. >> dci greg greg wood there, from kent and essex police well, a 26 year old man has been arrested on suspicion of the murders of three women in hertfordshire. 61 year old carol hunt and her two daughters, 25 year old louise and 28 year old hannah, were attacked at their home in bushey, hertfordshire. police say the main suspect has now been treated for injuries in hospital since then, but was only arrested today . he hospital since then, but was only arrested today. he remains, though in a serious condition . though in a serious condition. the head of the prison governors association is warning that the government's early release scheme will include prisoners convicted of assault and relatively serious and violent offences. the justice secretary confirmed today that thousands of prisoners who've served 40% of prisoners who've served 40% of their sentences will be released to tackle what she's called the prison overcrowding crisis. shabana mahmood says failing to act now risks the

collapse of the criminal justice system, and she's also promising to strictly monitor those who are freed early and to recruit more probation officers . the more probation officers. the home secretary has called the deaths of four migrants in the engush deaths of four migrants in the english channel truly awful, as charities are calling for more safe and legal asylum routes. more than 60 people were rescued after their boat capsized just after their boat capsized just after 4 am. off the coast of boulogne , latest home office boulogne, latest home office figures show. 419 people made the journey across the channel in six boats on tuesday. it suggests an average of around 70 people per boat, taking the provisional total for 2024 to now. just over 14,000. in the us, president joe biden has vowed to fight on, despite two major gaffes at the nato summit and a growing number of democrats calling for him to stand aside. speaking at the washington event last night, he mistakenly referred to the ukrainian president as president putin before correcting himself .

putin before correcting himself. >> ukraine will prevail in this war and we'll stand with them every single step of the way . every single step of the way. that's what the compact says loudly and clearly. and now i want to hand it over to the president of ukraine, who has as much courage as he has determination . ladies and determination. ladies and gentlemen, president putin, president putin, you've got to beat president putin, president zelenskyy, i'm so focused on beating putin, we've got to worry about it anyway . worry about it anyway. >> but despite that mishap and another mistake involving him naming his vice president kamala harris, as vice president trump, sir keir starmer has defended joe biden's leadership of the nato summit . the prime minister, nato summit. the prime minister, who earlier insisted mr biden was not senile and was on good form, faced questions about the president's mental ability just moments after the us leader's gaffes. >> i was with him last night. gaffes. >> i was with him last night . we >> i was with him last night. we spent most of the best part of an hour together, covering a lot

of ground. we've been through two days of this council and come to a very good outcome. he's led through all of that spoken in every session, pulled people together , and we've got a people together, and we've got a good outcome. and i think he should be given credit for that . should be given credit for that. >> royal news and the princess royal has begun her first public engagement today since suffering concussion in a horse related incident . anne, who's 73, spent incident. anne, who's 73, spent five nights in hospital after she was believed to have been struck by a horse while out walking on her estate earlier this month. it's understood the visit earlier to hartpury college in gloucestershire is the first step in her phased return to public duties as she recovers . and finally, before we recovers. and finally, before we hand back to dawn, some sport for you and england striker ollie watkins says he is ready to deliver again if he's given the chance in sunday's euro 2024 final against spain. he came off the bench to score a dramatic 90th minute winner in wednesday's semi—final against the netherlands. and now the king has asked gareth

southgate's side to alleviate the blood pressure of the nation by avoiding late drama in the final. but these psychic penguins at london zoo? well, there , predicting there, predicting a disappointing result for england . disappointing result for england. i'm not convinced penguins are totally reliable. we'll find out on sunday. those are the latest gb news headlines. for now, i'm sam francis. more for you at 7:00. >> for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code, or go to gbnews.com. forward slash alerts . gbnews.com. forward slash alerts. >> i've just been told to keep the penguin slander to a minimum, but they're wrong, aren't they? come on, psychic animals. who believes in any of that stuff? any case? welcome to dewbs& co. i'm dawn neesom and joining me until seven. i've a wonderful panel for you tonight.

so you really don't go too far, conservative peer in the house of lords and trade unionist paul embery and daniel moylan. lovely. thank you very much for joining me tonight. now get your more importantly, it's about you, right? not what any of us think. it's a friday night. who cares what we think, but we think what you want to care about. so get your views coming in now at gbnews.com/yoursay. forward slash your say. i remember that at one point. honestly now let's get cracking on our first story, shall we? keir starmer and his labour government have recommitted to spending £3 billion a year in ukraine as they continue their war against russia. the announcement was made as the prime minister attended a nato summit and warned that the international community cannot waiver with this conflict. but i'm asking you tonight, do we actually need to carry on back in the ukraine to the hill or big? or should funds be limited, and would they be better off?

maybe spent here? after all, we're not having a good time , we're not having a good time, are we? nhs is on its knees, cost of living crisis. education, crime. our prisons are overflowing. we need money spent on our services here. so that's a lot of money going to the ukraine, paul, i'm going to come to you first on this one. a lot of criticism from viewers about the amount of money we have pledged to hand over to the ukraine, which both the conservatives and labour actually agreed on, didn't they? so have we still got two cheeks of the same backside as far as defence is concerned? >> i think we have and i've got no problem with helping ukraine to beat back the invasion . dawn, to beat back the invasion. dawn, but i don't think this war is winnable. that's the problem, the war. i don't think is any longer winnable for ukraine. and what we're going to do, i think by just the constant call, the demand for more and more war, i think, is just going to prolong

the agony, prolong the war. it's going to drive it into an even deeper quagmire than it's in at the moment , deeper quagmire than it's in at the moment, and what does that mean? it means thousands more lost lives. it means thousands of young ukrainian men and thousands meat grinder, don't they? because that pretty much sums up what they call it. and young russian men, and communities and families being pred communities and families being ripped apart. and look, ukraine, i think and i think most experts recognise this now that ukraine is burning through men and equipment, probably faster than they can replace them. and because they're not going to win this war, they're not going to be. and i think that's sad, by the way, because the invasion is terrible, but they're not going to be in a position of strength when negotiations do eventually happen as they probably will. >> do you think we should stop pounng >> do you think we should stop pouring so much money into it? >> i in principle, the invasion was such a violation. i think it's i think it's right for

other countries to say, look, we're going to assist ukraine in beating that invasion back. i would have liked to have seen a much greater effort much sooner than now, to actually try to broker some peace to the point where we shouldn't even now be talking a bit like nigel farage said. >> nigel farage said , we need to >> nigel farage said, we need to talk. we need to talk to putin, engage putin. >> and, you know, not not just nigel farage, but even even people like his holiness. the pope has been saying, look, we need negotiations around this. and i'm surprised actually , that and i'm surprised actually, that here we are now, kind of two years into the current phase of the war, because the war didn't start in 2022. it started in 2014, didn't it? >> which we all ignored. >> which we all ignored. >> it's a myth for people to suggest that it started in 2022. it didn't. it goes back to 2014 and even arguably before that . and even arguably before that. but certainly for the last two years, there's been no effort by senior figures, the international to , community to international to, community to broker some sort of peace. you've got nato coming out a couple of days ago and saying

there will be an irreversible path to membership for ukraine, which i have to say strikes me , which i have to say strikes me, as the most irresponsible thing to say. and he's real serious sabre rattling. and i think it's just going to inflame the situation. so my simple position, the invasion was wrong. i hope it's defeated. we should have tried to embrace peace negotiations much sooner than now, and ukraine is probably now not going to be in a position of strength when those negotiations do come. well, i mean, daniel, we do seem to be literally funding a stalemate where thousands of people are losing their lives. >> nothing seems to have been advanced any further. only the other week we saw a children's hospital bombed. so it doesn't seem like any one side is winning. thousands of people are dying. is it time to stop this funding? sit down and round the table and try and talk it out. >> can i just come to the first thing you said, which was about, you know, foreign policy and the two parties on ukraine as paul has said, there is agreement between the two main parties. i think more than two main parties. i think the liberal

democrats. and so on. there is agreement, but i think it's already the case, might not explore it today, that there are really worrying differences emerging on foreign policy more globally between the new labour government and the outgoing conservative government that have not yet been discussed. and they're very worrying and troubling. but when it comes to ukraine, the fact is that ukraine, the fact is that ukraine already has a peace deal with russia , it already has with russia, it already has a peace deal and russia has broken it . russia is peace deal and russia has broken it. russia is led by a peace deal and russia has broken it . russia is led by a man peace deal and russia has broken it. russia is led by a man who sent people into the streets of salisbury, to murder people on british soil with no embarrassment. made a great joke of it. as far as i could make afterwards. so what is this deal that you're going to do that you will trust lasts more than five minutes after you've signed it? that's the first question. so second question is any deal you do, any negotiation, you do at this stage in the war is going to result in, in in a russian victory. it might not be a total occupation of ukraine, but it'll be a partial occupation of ukraine at the very least. and dominance, complete dominance of ukraine's foreign and largely

domestic policies, for decades going forward. so they'll be running ukraine effectively, but it won't stop there. and this is the point i really want to make, because if you talk to the countries that are bordering ukraine and, you know, out and russia and byelorussia out on the on the eastern side of, of the on the eastern side of, of the european union, and you talk about the knock on effect that's going to have on them . what going to have on them. what you're doing is you're setting up a situation where we're not part of the european union, i'm glad to say, but our nearest their our nearest neighbours, their our nearest neighbours, the european union, our nearest neighbour, a really important power is going to be dominated by a hostile , barbaric power by a hostile, barbaric power next to it , potentially for next to it, potentially for decades to come. >> daniel, are you suggesting that russia would invade other countries? no, no, i'm not, i'm not. >> i'm talking about no. what i'm saying is think back. so i'm so elderly . remember the so elderly. remember the situation of finland during the cold war? finland was a western

country. it was a free market country. it was a free market country. anyone could go there. it was not behind the iron curtain. everything that happenedin curtain. everything that happened in finland was approved by russia before it happened. their foreign policy was dictated by russia. it was something called finlandisation . something called finlandisation. their foreign policy was dictated by russia. it was all clear . it was dictated by russia. it was all clear. it was all cleared. yeah. that's what we're well, we're in a we're in a worse days than the soviet union. now russia is more aggressive in many ways than the soviet union. >> russia has nothing. >> russia has nothing. >> russia has nothing. >> russia is more aggressive than the soviet union. i didn't interrupt you, paul, so even their school textbooks, their history textbooks were cleared by the russians before they were put into schools. and i'm talking about that sort of domination that you will get that will directly affect the eastern part of the european union and consequently ripple through elsewhere. >> so what sort of countries are you implying that poland and countries like that will be countries like that will be countries like that ? countries like that? >> if you if you give in poland and countries like that, which cannot withstand soviet threats, which are under threats already of a cyber character and so

forth, we know that, but are also, you know, right up against the border with these countries. they will suffer a huge setback in morale. >> tell me this, daniel. why why hasn't that happened to those countries since 1991, when the soviet union was when the soviet union dissolved? those countries have not been living in fear of russian domination . hold on. or russian domination. hold on. or a russian invasion. i think what is happening in ukraine is a very unique set of circumstances where you've got disputes over crimea, you've got disputes in the donbas and the treatment of the donbas and the treatment of the ethnic russians in the east of ukraine. and that led to an invasion , which, as i say, was invasion, which, as i say, was wrong. but i don't think there can be any doubt that there was a particular set of unique circumstances, including nato bellicosity, let's be honest, which led to that. now, if you're telling me that that was the first step for putin in some master plan of a greater russia , master plan of a greater russia, not necessarily sending troops

in, but having some sort of soft domination over the polands and the baltic states , the latvia's, the baltic states, the latvia's, the baltic states, the latvia's, the lithuania's, estonia's, etc. i don't think there's any evidence of that at all. moscow since 1991, daniel has conceded a huge amount of territory and has never looked at taking that territory back. ukraine has . territory back. ukraine has. >> it's obvious, isn't it? well, after 1991 we all believed, and after 1991 we all believed, and a lot of russians believed, that russia was going to become a peaceable state. that was part of the if you like, the western, we could all live together relatively peacefully. they'd have lots of free market stuff. they'd have mcdonald's, they'd have all sorts of things that were visible to us, but they would change and they would develop in certain ways, and they become a market oriented and peaceful sort of economy. and we believe that all the time. is there a plan? of course there's a plan before he's actually written the plan , actually written the plan, before he's published the plan, before he's published the plan, before he's published the plan, before he invaded you, the recent invasion of ukraine. there was that famous essay he wrote in which he explained why it was that that the ukraine and byelorussia , byelorussia is part

byelorussia, byelorussia is part of this to you do not imagine that russia would allow democracy to take root in byelorussia, because that's already part of this , that this already part of this, that this was this was a plan he had for reuniting what he regards as core russian territory. and that includes the ukraine and bielorussia. and he wrote this and published it. ben wallace wrote poland and ben wallace poland. ben wallace. ben wallace wrote. well, all of this is exactly what hitler said over the sudetenland . the sudetenland. >> oh, come on, come on. >> all of this is exactly what he said. >> we're into godwin's law now, where we're going. >> just one adjustment. it's just one adjustment. it's what they would always say. we just need to make this one adjustment. we're worried about german speakers in czechoslovakia. we just need to sort them out. come over. mr chamberlain. every time the piece of paper signed the piece of paper , we agree it will. of paper, we agree it will. every time there's a territorial dispute, of course, one at a time. next one. and it's not every time, every time there's a territorial dispute . territorial dispute. >> people will always depict

that particular dictator, whoever is at the time, whether it was i'm backing the arguments or whatever the next hitler. >> now you are literally time gentlemen are the same words that were used to justify hitler's stance. is it not the parallels are so close here. i think you are literally using those words when you consider the power and the might of the german military in the 1930s, and the manner in which they were able, and the german military clearly, clearly intended to march through much of europe. >> i think the idea that we can extrapolate from a particular dispute in ukraine that putin wants to do something similar to hitler in terms of expansionism. i think is entirely fantasy. >> i just get one thing clear here, daniel, as it happens, when the german army did eventually invade the rest of czechoslovakia, it largely broke down, >> most of the. >> most of the. >> but, daniel, we're running out of time, unfortunately. just one thing. clear. you genuinely think that unless we carry on funding and the rest of nato carry on funding the ukraine, that putin is in danger of doing

a hitler, and he won't stop until we stop him. >> absolutely. and it will be. which countries would he invite process? i didn't say i was very explicit in saying how i thought russia's influence would be exercised over eastern europe, so not rippling through, rippling through france to the rest of the european union. it would not be the first time french troops have paraded through paris if canada were to enter into a military alliance with russia and china. >> what do you think the reaction of the white house would be? >> i think they'd be a little unhappy about it. >> well, i have to go there. i'm being a little unhappy. fascinating debate. thank you both very much, right. we do. >> nato's fault. this is paul's view. we have it's all nato's fault. >> i didn't say it's. >> i didn't say it's. >> all we should do is deal with someone. >> i have to move on. gentlemen, please. >> cannot be trusted to keep his bags down. >> gentlemen, we should write. we should relieve. >> the whole thing is going to stop at the borders of the uk. >> shush, shush shush. don't you

da. right. okay. right. >> we'll move on. right? oh, lordy. should the monarchy be more like us? not roaring like this, by the way, and modernise. or should they keep debating? don't row with me. i'm a george, supposedly. any case, should the royals modernise? or should they keep to their old ways? and they're a bit like our late queen a bit more. never complain, never explain a bit more mystery. what do you reckon? don't go too far.

welcome back . honestly, i could welcome back. honestly, i could tell you what's going on at the break, but i'd probably get. i would definitely get sacked and certainly got complaints. so do not read that out, daniel moylan, or else. right. this is dewbs& co. and i'm not jubes. i'm actually dawn neesom. you might spot the difference slightly, keeping me company until 7:00. conservative peer in the house, lords daniel moylan and a trade unionist and paul

embery . thank you very much for embery. thank you very much for starting the show off in such a feisty mode. lots of reaction coming in. you're not reading yours out because yours are very rude, i said about me, that was it was about you. to be fair, it wasn't my text message to yeah, yeah, you got that over there quickly. right? and this is on the ukraine debate we've just been having, greg, if ukraine falls, what next? it's unpalatable spending, but it's essential. so on your side meanwhile over here, we have on your side. paul, i'd be happier if you . ukraine provided if you. ukraine provided receipts for where the money actually goes . some say nobody actually goes. some say nobody knows where it's going. >> very corrupt country. >> very corrupt country. >> well and well. you're not the first to say that. and you won't be the last. and pj. says, why is no one calling for a ceasefire in the ukraine like we are in gaza? interesting. we're not having people marching along the streets on this one, are we, in any case, we have to move on. so do you not read that out? do i see your point? right, now, last week, king charles fist bumped a cricketer and the nafion bumped a cricketer and the nation has gone into an

etiquette meltdown. our monarch is famous for waving and hand shaking. but it's a hard job, isn't it? but this new greeting could be a signal that charles is trying to be a man of the people and get down with the kids, so should it be actually fist bumping? daniel, i'm going to come to you now. i'm trusting you. i had to demonstrate what a fist bump actually was just now. i had not heard of a fist bump. >> i wasn't really aware what a fist bump was until i read this story. yeah, now i'm not going to punch you. >> it's one of those. >> it's one of those. >> i understand that there are issues about cultural appropriation involved. well, there always is allowed to fist bump if you're white. >> i mean, come on, we're both white. we didn't just do it, but we're doing it. >> this is this is demonstrative cardinal sin. this is not cancelled. >> cancel completely. so, i mean, we can do i do it right? i don't know, i don't normally, i normally the right way, the wrong way, it felt kind of right. it was a fist. and we bumped. right. okay. but but but but should king charles be fist bumping? shouldn't he just make like, his late mum and be a bit more dignified and shake

people's hands? >> well, look, the fact is, the monarchy, the great thing about this country, is the monarchy embodies in human form the entire nation. >> oh, dear. >> oh, dear. >> and that's the wonderful thing about it. and so king charles is not just the head of state. he's also a human being, in a wonderful sort of way. and of course, he's going to have a human reaction. somebody comes up and they offer a hand to shake , you're going to shake shake, you're going to shake their hands and somebody comes up and they offer to fist bump. and you know what? you're talking about. and he does, and i don't, he's going to respond because it's a matter of courtesy and a matter of human interaction. and i don't think there's anything to fuss about in this regard. now, i agree it's difficult to imagine the queen, the late queen, doing a fist bump. she would have one. one could spend the whole of this evening actually thinking how she might have handled that . how she might have handled that. >> well, it would have been done. would she think it would have been offered to her in the first place?

>> but it probably wouldn't have been offered to her in the first place. >> so this is where the west indies cricket team, something immensely dignified, charming, effective. and can you imagine what she'd have done if that went right? >> all right, you match. >> all right, you match. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> chin down. probably but no, i don't think. i don't think that west indian cricketer clearly felt that it was something michael lewis name is. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> hum, but i don't think i don't think he would. i don't know, but i don't think he would have done that to the late majesty queen. >> no. >> no. >> and i tend to agree with daniel that. what else? on my god. yeah, i know, bank it, what else could what else could he have done in that situation where the cameras are there? yeah. and if a cricketer says give us a fist bump , i think give us a fist bump, i think most people would have thought it would have looked a bit discourteous if he said, no, i'm not going to do that. your best shake my hand. so? so he was in a bit of a difficult position, but i do think there is a broader point about whether the, not a monarchist, but whether the royal family should try to become sort of more trendy, more fashionable, to become more human, because i think much of the respect for monarchy and as

i say, i one, i'm not a monarchist, lies in the fact that it monarchist, lies in the fact thatitis monarchist, lies in the fact that it is seen as being a bit distant, a bit aloof. there's a sense of sort of mystery around it, and that sense of mystery leads to, to, to that respect and reverence . and if they just and reverence. and if they just become like the family next door or the bloke down to the european royals, you know , the european royals, you know, the danes, norwegians, the spanish, i mean, they're just riding around on bikes, getting on with it. and people might then think, well, well what's the point if they are no different to us? are they, are they just like politicians, or are they just like any other celebrities, so, you know, i say that as a, as a very mild republican, that my advice to the royal family would be, you know, try to be human by all means, but don't try to be with the zeitgeist the whole time. don't try to become too fashionable, because otherwise we'd be thinking, what are we paying we'd be thinking, what are we paying for , exactly? paying for, exactly? >> we just get rid of them. >> we just get rid of them. >> exactly. and, you know, for people who don't like the monarchy, then they would probably encourage that , because probably encourage that, because i think that. do you remember in 2012 we were talking about 2012, the olympics earlier , daniel and

the olympics earlier, daniel and l, the olympics earlier, daniel and i, off camera. do you remember the queen and the james bond thing? >> yes. >> yes. >> yeah, we saw a clip of that earlier on. actually, she she jumps out of the helicopter. >> now on one level it was very, very funny and very well put together, and, you know, everyone thought it was great, but you can't help but feel that actually, if the monarchy are doing that sort of stuff, it does strip away that kind of sense of distance and mystery, doesn't it? so yeah. so i think there are two arguments there. >> yes. i think jumping out of a helicopter is so rare and unusual an event in my life that i regard it as very mysterious and grand. i mean, nobody's ever asked me to jump out of helicopter. >> just to be clear, the queen didn't actually push. you probably might, but you're going to get you're going to get this fantastic opportunity on wednesday this week, coming to see the king in his non fist bumping role because we have the state opening of parliament. >> and he will of course in his in his carriage in a fleet of carriages. i think that's the proper gold, you know, from buckingham palace all the way down whitehall, all the way down to the front of the house of

lords, through the victoria tower, upstairs where he will in the mysterious darkness of the robing room. he will change from his. but what he will add to his uniform, his baseball cap he will put on, he will put on his great robes, his and then he will process wearing the crown through the royal gallery. >> well, this is what we like, isn't it? >> into the house of lords. >> into the house of lords. >> this is what we like. we like the ceremony. >> read the speech prepared for him by sir keir starmer. >> you'll be front row in your ermine, won't you? >> i will be there in my ermine, ihave >> i will be there in my ermine, i have to say. in my red robes and ermine i will have to fight for a front row seat, because we don't get seats allocated to get there early. if you want to. and of course, a lot of the seats they put extra seats in that are benches that have no backs. agony. so you've got to get there and say, how does that work? >> i mean, it's completely off topic. i'm just being nosy. it has a back. >> do you sort of like fist bump people out of the way? >> well, i will now. >> well, i will now. >> now he knows that to do it i have actually seen that done. i have actually seen that done. i have never actually had to. i have never actually had to. i have only done it a few times,

but i've only been in the house of lords for years and it doesn't happen every year. and one year it was covid and the queen came without the crown and without just in a very simple, stripped down sort of way, and another year she couldn't come at all because she was too ill. so the prince of wales and the prince and, and prince william, as he was, came in her place, this is only the second time i've seen it done. sort of. >> and you're looking forward to. >> i'm looking forward to it. no, it's great fun. >> and you sort of. you dress up andifs >> and you sort of. you dress up and it's all sounds a bit itchy to me. >> it sounds a bit, but you do have to. >> you do have to get bags your seatif >> you do have to get bags your seat if you want a nice one. yeah. get there early. >> i think it's i think it's pretty harmless. i mean, it is antiquated, isn't it? and people may look at it and think it's anachronistic. and why are we doing all of this? we've carried these horses and pluming out in these horses and pluming out in the street. it's crowns and so on. but i suspect that in other countries they probably do look at it. whatever your political views about monarchy, they probably do look at it and admire it in such a way that their their state openings are generally quite sort of sterile roll up on their bikes in a baseball cap. >> didn't they? oh, right. not quite, i've run out of time. gosh time is flying, isn't it? tonight. right now we have to move on. but we're talking music, a music festival has

banned items of clothing that checking notes here promote cultural appropriation. come on, fun place. what the hell is going on here? you don't want to miss this one. they're going to kick off again. i know it, ermine robes all. don't get too

hello. welcome back. this is dewbs& co with me. dawn neesom. obviously not. michelle. slight difference. i hope you have a wonderful friday night out there keeping me company until 7:00. i'm really glad they are as well. is conservative peer in the house of lords, daniel moylan and trade unionist and author paul embery. thank you. so thank you so much for staying with me as well. thank you, yeah. now we're going to talk about the fun place. used to both look like you enjoy a festival at all. sort of like. yeah. daniel. yeah. no, he's looking at me like completely mad, now, wireless festival in london has banned any clothing that promotes cultural

appropriation. however, it doesn't specify which items fall under this ban . so, should we be under this ban. so, should we be allowed to watch whatever we like at different cultures, or do you think it's inappropriate to do so ? now, paul, i'm coming to do so? now, paul, i'm coming to do so? now, paul, i'm coming to you first on the grounds that you possibly go to festivals more than daniel occasionally or might have done in the past. no disrespect , daniel, but i disrespect, daniel, but i wouldn't assume, >> right. okay >> right. okay >> but this is clearly no. i mean, i would have loved to. >> i can see you with the long red dreadlocks. >> i would have loved to go to glastonbury, but i've never. i've never been to glastonbury. unfortunately, you're not middle class enough. no, you're not middle class enough. always too busy working, never went to university and therefore, you know, spoke with a working class accent. >> so therefore i wasn't you're not you're not getting a glastonbury and it was blooming expensive and all. >> but this is oh you'd have to do it glamping wouldn't you. well you would obviously keep on top of it. >> used it. i mean come on. >> it's like you're earning 10 or £11,000 for the weekend. but this is, it's a day's wages for you, daniel. but this is clearly. this is clearly

bonkers, isn't it? you know , bonkers, isn't it? you know, every everyone should be free, in my view. within within reason , in my view. within within reason, making sure, you know, you stay within the bounds of decency to wear what they want. if they want to go to a music festival and wear a poncho or a sombrero or, you know, if i want to wear my hair in dreadlocks or whatever, i should be free to do it. and i don't think it's for anybody else , to say that anybody else, to say that actually, culturally, you've committed some transgression and you shouldn't be allowed to do it. you know , the culture police it. you know, the culture police get you and say you shouldn't be allowed to do it . these things allowed to do it. these things are not copyrighted. they are not copyrighted to particular groups. so even dreadlocks, i mean, because dreadlocks is the one people coming back to . one people coming back to. >> i mean, it's like non—black people wearing dreadlocks. >> i think you should be absolutely entitled to wear your hair in the way that makes you comfortable. if you want to wear your hair in dreadlocks, you should be entitled to do it. and i don't think it's for anybody else to say. actually, that's from my culture and you've got

no right to do it, because i think the problem about black people who do do find that offensive. well, i'm sorry, i'm sorry, but i, i think it needs to be challenged. if they if they do, then then i think the problem is with them for taking offence rather than the person who has decided to wear their hair the way that they want to wear it. i mean, because the problem is, where does that end? if somebody says, if i say i want to wear a beret , which if somebody says, if i say i want to wear a beret, which as we know, started in france, and a french person said, well, actually that's my culture and you shouldn't be allowed to do it. i think most people would laugh at that. so why do we make special exemptions for other items of clothing or for other styles of wearing your hair? i think as long as you're not, as long as you're not, you know , long as you're not, you know, seeking to harm people with what you're doing, you should be free to dress with whatever attire and wear your hair in the way that you are comfortable with, andifs that you are comfortable with, and it's for no tom, dick, or harry to say, no, you're not going to get away. what about daniel, >> daniel? >> daniel? >> well, i've just had a terrible thought. >> i mean, i came here, i walked, i walked here this

evening. you know, not in your ermine. i came across the park. no, but i wasn't. i was wearing my panama straw hat against the sun. i've just realised of course. panama. there you go. panama's in that it's. somebody's going to come up on you and whisk my panama hat off my head . yeah. i agree with my head. yeah. i agree with everything that paul has just said , strangely. so i won't said, strangely. so i won't repeat it. >> no, no, for the benefit of your viewers getting to it a little bit, i think first of all, the sheer arrogance, the mindless, petty, insulting arrogance of the organisers of this festival who dare to speak to customers, paying customers and these festivals as we've said, and this is not glastonbury, it's not. >> these are not cheap to go to, who've paid money to go to this festival for them to dictate what they were not on grounds of decency, which i can understand, perhaps not on grounds of safety, which i could understand if there were safety issues. and you have an effect on the crowd, but on grounds, you know , but on grounds, you know, dictated by some overpaid american professors who've spent their life developing theories

of cultural appropriation in order to earn high salaries, is such an insult that the only proper response to this message is a boycott . all the customers is a boycott. all the customers should say we are not turning up. if not, go to wireless festival. not going to go until you learn your proper place in life, which is that you are providing us with entertainment. we are paying for so that we can enjoy ourselves on the weekend. they think that this kind of nonsense brings people together and unites people, but actually it does the very opposite. >> people look at this kind of hysteria and they see how much it actually divides people and how much it actually causes conflicts. and you end up becoming a society that is constantly walking on eggshells because you are worried about the next group that you're going to offend, or the next person you're going to offend. we all know, we all know you know what offence means in terms of if it's gratuitous, if it's racial abuse and things like that. obviously that needs to be challenged. but there's a world of difference between that kind

of difference between that kind of stuff and people just simply donning a garment that makes them feel comfortable. and i think the pendulum has swung so far in that, i mean, the truth is that fashion and what people wear is entirely international anyway. >> it has been cross—cultural and silk kimono dressing gown has been cross—cultural, and it has been cross—cultural, and it has been cross—cultural, and it has been i know you like them for , for centuries, what people for, for centuries, what people in britain have worn has been affected by what people in what they saw. people in france wearing going back hundreds of years and it's and now it's a thoroughly international, business actually as much as anything else. >> so you can go anywhere in the world and you go, go into an office in singapore, go into an office in singapore, go into an office anywhere in asia. >> they're all wearing the trousers and white shirts, which, you know, because it's an international uniform. >> do you, do you think there is a cunning. >> are we all meant to turn up dressed like we're in maypole dancing? >> well, i was going to say, if you're if you are english and very few of us are just pure

english, what you meant to wear, i mean, sort of like dressed morris dancers. >> i mean, obviously cricket whites. that's what we need to wear to prove that nobody wears cricket. >> have you ever watched a game of cricket in the last few years? >> no, no, no no no no test match is still. >> is there a cunning plan here though? i mean, you see lots of youngsters wandering around wearing the keffiyeh scarves. you know, the palestinian scarves . now, of course. i mean, scarves. now, of course. i mean, is this a cunning plan on behalf of wireless to stop people wearing them, which, as we know can be said that they could have said you can't wear national or national symptoms or symbols or flags other people have done so or you can't display them. >> now, whether that's a right or a wrong thing to do is another question. but if that was their purpose, they could have said that they have explicitly tied this to this bogus, this bogus notion of cultural appropriation, which is actually, you know, learning and borrowing and copying other cultures is absolutely crucial to the way in which the world has developed and all of us have developed. you want to cut yourself off from that. and as yourself off from that. and as you say, either way, a cricket whites or maypole clogs. morris

dancing clogs, then you're a complete nutter, frankly, and well, you touched on it earlier. >> who arbitrates on this stuff? yeah it's simply one person sitting in a room with their own particular political and moral prejudices who come to the view. actually, this is going to be the rule. and thousands of people are going to have to abide by it, whether they like it or not. and the problem is, these people are not challenged enough because there are too few people in society with a bit of backbone who are to prepared say, actually, this is rubbish and we're not going to buy it. as you said, daniel, we're going to we're going to boycott it until you back. can i just say one thing? >> a lot of we know we know quite a lot about dress in the roman empire going back 2000 years. and they had ponchos on cold days, on on cold days. they had garments which had holes, circular garments had a hole in the middle and they put their head through them. and that's a poncho. and there's nothing. where do the where do the latin americans get the ponchos from? >> probably from the roman empire. >> from them . yeah. >> from them. yeah. >> from them. yeah. >> i don't know where they got them from. >> what did they ever do for us?

>> what did they ever do for us? >> well, they gave us the ponchos. >> he's one of the romans ever do for us. >> they gave us ponchos and frankly, you don't have to be the idea that a poncho is so special and unique that it was only ever invented once. >> it's obvious people are going to create ponchos because they work and just not the festival goers all over the place. >> well, lots of countries are obsessed with ponchos tonight, aren't you? this ponchos came up, you know , panama hats are a up, you know, panama hats are a bit more sophisticated. >> well, yeah. >> well, yeah. >> i mean, it's so obvious. >> what i want to know is, what about the food stalls? right. okay. the punters are all banned from wearing their ponchos and their sombreros. but what about their sombreros. but what about the food stalls ? what about the the food stalls? what about the white people there who are british english people cooking jerk chicken or pasta? >> i mean , pasta? we didn't have >> i mean, pasta? we didn't have pizza. >> we didn't have spaghetti in this country until the 90s. >> i mean, the jerk chicken is a controversial one, but why should it be? why? why should it be any more controversial to cook jerk chicken as a as a white person as as it should be? as daniel said, pasta or, you know, pizza or whatever, whatever it is, whatever dish of

any particular, particularly overcooked entree or whatever, you know , why, why should it? you know, why, why should it? and cabbage, why should we be more sensitive? why should we be more sensitive? why should we be more sensitive? why should we be more sensitive around, like it used to be? dishes that are that dishes that originate from, you know, the afro—caribbean community? >> jamie oliver they've got pulled on that. >> one of our famous chefs got pulled on doing any recipes. >> i'm sure any. yeah, i think that's true, actually. and i'm sure any chef would get pulled on it in a way that they wouldn't if it was any other, any other groups or nations particular culinary dish. but that's the world that we're living in. >> so if i've got this right, we sit around, we're wearing cricket whites or possibly tweed or morris dancing, eating beans on toast or beans on ploughman's lunch. >> you know, just out of interest of getting off topic a little bit, you know, the chasuble at least. where's saying mass, you know, over his head, front and back. you know that, you know, that's derived from the roman poncho. >> you are a bit weird tonight. >> you are a bit weird tonight. >> you are very definitely. >> you are very definitely. >> but i just want to say, if there's cultural appropriation going on, i think it's the other way around. i think it's the

latin american stole it from us, >> right. and you'd worth looking into the wireless. >> festival organisers don't know that you stick a cooling. >> yeah, absolutely. >> yeah, absolutely. >> if you're watching, some wireless festival, it'll be full of priests instead. nicki, nicki minaj is headlining. by the way, if anyone's interested in the actual music. right, we have to move on. right. coming up, it's, it's hopefully coming home on sunday when england planned the euros. or are they the ones mentioned, but there are no england flag on the streets of london. should sadiq khan be those flags? you don't want to miss this one.

>> oh, yeah. the flags. >> oh, yeah. the flags. >> thank you very much. >> thank you very much. >> all right. okay. were you honestly, they're so frisky. i know it's a friday night. i know we've got an england game coming up, but. and they've got. oh, now it's going to get worse. this is dewbs& co with me. dawn neesom and keeping me company. you've just heard them until 7:00. is conservative peer in

the house of lords, daniel mullen, who's got a bit of a poncho thing going on, but we're not going back there. and trade unionist and author paul mbappe, who's coming in in dreads next time round. but if you miss that, you can catch up on any case now there's a little football game going on this weekend. evidently on sunday it's it might be coming home. it might not. who knows? we've been here before. england play in the euros final against spain. someone's probably a culture appropriate in that as well. however, if you walk through the streets of london and probably other big cities, you would never know it . now in london. never know it. now in london. still we have got beautiful rainbow flags flying up regent street and oxford street and all the big streets in the west end of london, so where are the england flags? that's what i want to know. where are they? i haven't seen i mean, i've got my flag on my balcony and i hope, gentlemen, you both got england flags out. no, i'm afraid not. so why are we not flying the cross of saint george? i'm going to come to you first on this one, daniel. i mean, there's nonei one, daniel. i mean, there's none i haven't seen. you know, we've got the nothing wrong with the pride flags. rainbows. lovely. who doesn't like

rainbows? >> as in pride month? over >> as in pride month? over >> i mean, now, isn't it? yeah. >> it's every month, right ? but, >> it's every month, right? but, you know, it's fine. lovely. but where are the england flags? >> yeah, i agree with you. i mean, we should put the bunting out and celebrate and show some identity and but our authorities don't seem to be very interested in doing this. and it's not just a question of blaming sadiq khan.i a question of blaming sadiq khan. i mean, he now his election is over. i can be political about him. he is just a misery, that's the main problem with sadiq khan. i wish he'd sit on the fence more with him, to be honest with you. it's just you know, fun is not a word you associate. i mean, even ken livingstone had more, whom i had more admiration for was more fun and jokey than sadiq khan . and and jokey than sadiq khan. and boris, of course, was was good fun as well, but not sadiq. so where is it all? but it's not just him, you know. these streets, regent street, oxford street, they have. what are called business improvement districts and it's very often businesses clubbing together. and these business improvement districts are very often the ones who are paying for the flags actually. so they're making many of the decisions. and again, i'm being nice about

sadiq. now he's not actually responsible for those streets and what happens what's put on the lamp columns. that's there are some streets he's responsible for. but it's not those. >> if he wanted to he could say to the labour, that's the labour councillor in the city of westminster who are responsible for those streets. >> so i'm sorry to be a bit bonng >> so i'm sorry to be a bit boring about the technicalities. so you really need to look at this, this sort of globular sort of business lefty, you know, sort of wokeist mish labour sort of stuff, which are all willing to identify with any, any sort of, sort of cause that they, they pick up. but when it comes to saying we're actually backing our side, we're actually on the side of our guys who are out there playing this match, and we want to identify with them and we like them to win. there's no exuberance, there's no fun, there's no show at all. >> we might, are we going to win? >> i have no idea. if we're going to win. wouldn't it be great? >> possibly wants to win? >> possibly wants to win? >> are we going to lose again? >> are we going to lose again? >> we're probably going to lose again. >> i don't know, but at least we'll be out there with some fun showing. >> we're backing them. i think in his defence, look, we only we

only won the semi—final two nights ago, is it two nights, three nights, two nights ago, think. >> doesn't take long to hang a flag up. >> no, no, that's true, but it probably does take at least a couple of days to get it organised. and i suspect we may see a flag or two around. i hope we do around london, but in his defence, it shouldn't just be about sadiq khan. i know london's no it's not, but we've got other big cities as well. i'd like to see andy burnham in manchester, you know, making sure some flags are flown there and the mayor of manchester got him. >> we got the short straw. >> we got the short straw. >> didn't sheffield and everywhere else, and maybe even local authorities but so it shouldn't be just be targeted at sadiq khan. but it would be nice. it's not very often. >> gentlemen, i'm going to have to cut you off in your prime in any case, enjoy the game. cheers. thank you for watching. thank you. paul emily hand daniel dear england. thank you very much. have a lovely weekend. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on . gb news. >> good evening. here's your latest gb news weather forecast

coming to you from the met office. looking ahead to the weekend and sunday looks largely dry for many places, but through saturday there will be some showers and some more persistent rain affecting eastern parts due to a weather system that's pushing its way in from the nonh pushing its way in from the north sea. so overnight, many eastern parts of england are going to turn largely cloudy and there will be some persistent rain for some of us further west, a greater chance of staying dry. but even here, some outbreaks of rain at times and quite a bit of cloud for many of us, though, there will be some breaks in a few places over central western scotland. perhaps here temperatures could just about dip into high single figures, but elsewhere it's going to be a relatively mild start to the day tomorrow. it is also going to be a damp start for some eastern parts. starting off looking in the south, though, across central southern parts, some brightness. first thing 1 or 2 showers, perhaps a cloudier story as we head further north, particularly towards the east in those north sea coastal parts, it is going to be quite a grey, damp day through much of the day. some brightness, perhaps

for northern ireland, and the best of the sunshine across scotland will also be towards western areas. further east we will see some thickening cloud and some outbreaks of rain pushing their way in all that rain. then towards eastern parts will make its way a little bit further westwards as we go through the day. so more places seeing some rain for a time, but it will be breaking up a little bit as we go through the day as well. further west. yes, a better chance of seeing some brighter breaks in the cloud and also a few showers. so these not as heavy as those that we've seen today. temperatures still a little bit on the low side for the time of year, just about scraping into the low 20s. much of the rain will clear away as we go into sunday though, clinging to on some rain in the far east of england. first thing. otherwise some bright sunny spells again, some showers likely to develop, but these won't be quite as widespread as those that we've seen through today, and we'll see through tomorrow. so a dry day for many before the rain is likely to return early next week. bye bye . return early next week. bye bye. >> looks like things are heating up. boxt boilers sponsors of

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