then and what should it look like? and speaking of devolution, vaughan gething has finally resigned, right? decision or not. also, labour have talked tough, haven't they, about clamping down on foreign workers, but now it seems that they're going to delay their plans to do so. is this a right decision with some rationale behind it, or is it a sign that they're not going to be as tough on immigration as they promised? also, i'll speak about immigration and process. have you seen what's going on in ireland? we'll take a look at that. your thoughts on it all? also, donald trump's running mate jd vance has joked that the uk will be the world's first islamist nuclear country. i can tell you now that has sparked outrage, but some say never a truer word spoken than in jest . truer word spoken than in jest. your thoughts. and last but not least, if you get elected as a westminster mp, should you have to pledge allegiance to our.

king. all of that and lots more. professor matt goodwin and kerry dingle keeping me company. but first, the 6:00 news headlines with a legend. that's polly middlehurst . middlehurst. >> michelle, thank you and good evening to you. well, the top story from the gb newsroom tonight is that jay slater's mum says the confirmation of her son's death in tenerife is the worst news she could have received. in a statement, debbie duncan said she can't believe what's happened to her beautiful boy , adding our hearts are boy, adding our hearts are broken. the 19 year old, from lancashire disappeared on the island a month ago after attending a music festival. a spanish court says the body was identified by his fingerprints dunng identified by his fingerprints during a post—mortem and the injuries to his body are consistent with a fall, which then led to his death. back in lancashire, the reverend matt smith, a vicar in jay's hometown, offered his support to the family. >> our message would be that

we're the community have always been here for you and supporting you and praying for you and that's been very evident in the response that they've had, for this family, we're we're standing beside you as much as you need to us be. we're here for you . for you. >> meanwhile, vaughan gething has told the welsh parliament today that serving as first minister has been the honour of his life as he announced he's stepping down afterjust four months on the job. earlier, four members of his cabinet quit, saying they didn't think he could deliver a stable government. he's been under increasing pressure since losing a no confidence vote last month over concerns about a donation to his leadership campaign, but he insists he's done nothing wrong. >> i have worked hard, followed the rules and then really difficult and demanding jobs for my country . in difficult and demanding jobs for my country. in 11 years as a minister, i have never , ever minister, i have never, ever made a decision for personal

gain. i have never, ever misused or abused my ministerial position, my integrity matters. ihave position, my integrity matters. i have not compromised it. >> vaughan gething. and that wasn't the only resignation. today, the england defender, harry maguire, says . today, the england defender, harry maguire, says. his today, the england defender, harry maguire, says . his boss harry maguire, says. his boss gareth southgate, produced memories that will last forever in his time as manager, southgate has resigned as england manager following the squad's defeat to spain in the euro 2024 final on sunday. goalkeeper jordan pickford euro 2024 final on sunday. goalkeeperjordan pickford has also been active on social media today to thank his former boss for always believing in him. southgate's predecessor sam allardyce says he's done everything he could in the job except win a trophy. >> i'm not surprised. i think that, i think i've said before that, i think i've said before that eight years is a is a long, long time as a as an england manager. i think there's only so ralph ramsey and walter

winterbottom served longer as england manager and gareth and he's left with an outstanding success record. i mean , nobody success record. i mean, nobody can argue with that apart from the fact that we didn't quite cunch the fact that we didn't quite clinch the ultimate final that we possibly could have done, particularly in the euros , but particularly in the euros, but came very, very close twice . came very, very close twice. >> sam allardyce, speaking to gb news earlier , now the government news earlier, now the government has launched a major assessment of the uk's future military, as the prime minister warns the world is more dangerous and more volatile. sir keir starmer is promising to bolster what he described as britain's hollowed out armed forces, but he's not offered a timeline for raising defence spending to 2.5% of uk gdp . and that comes as the new gdp. and that comes as the new defence review chief, lord robertson said the uk faces urgent threats from the deadly quartette of china, iran, russia and north korea, who he says are acting as one more frequently . acting as one more frequently. the government's promising to deliver its findings by the

middle of next year. the defence secretary, john healey, says it will lay the groundwork for britain's new era in defence. >> the world is changing fast. the threats are growing in those circumstances, it's right. we take a look at the threats, the capabilities we need, the state of our armed forces as well as the money that's available to fund those. and that's the way that we balance, if you like, the requirements for stronger national security, with the responsibilities for sound pubuc responsibilities for sound public finances. >> now, a woman has denied assaulting the former. the reform uk leader , whilst he was reform uk leader, whilst he was campaigning in essex ahead of the general election. 25 year old victoria thomas bowen is accused of throwing a milkshake at mr farage. last month, the reform uk leader , who is now the reform uk leader, who is now the mp for clacton, was covered in the drink after leaving a rally where he'd been addressing his supporters. prosecutors said there was £30 worth of criminal damage to his jacket. the woman herself has been released on

unconditional bail and will reappear for a trial in october. now, just lastly, the king and queen camilla have been waving goodbye to the crowds in guernsey on the second day of their trip to the channel islands. it's the first visit by the king since he ascended to the king since he ascended to the throne. meanwhile, in an unusual twist, preparations got underway to bestow a royal title on an eight year old goat called tamzin, set to be renamed the royal golden guernsey goat, tamzin is going to make history as the first livestock animal to receive such a royal honour. those are the latest gb news headlines. for now i'm polly middlehurst. i'm back in an houn middlehurst. i'm back in an hour. see you then for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code, or go to gbnews.com forward slash alerts .

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gain. i have never ever misused or abused my ministerial position , my integrity matters. position, my integrity matters. ihave position, my integrity matters. i have not compromised it. >> matt goodwin, what do you think to this? then >> yeah, i mean, it's another interesting turn in british politics. i mean, i think again, it's going to put the question mark over leadership in wales under the spotlight. the ongoing problem here in trying to find somebody who can lead wales with, you know what wales expects. and i just suspect we're going to have some kind of changeover and some kind of new culture in welsh politics. >> but why now, though? i mean , >> but why now, though? i mean, this fella lost, a vote in terms of whether or not people had the confidence in him. he dismissed it essentially as a gimmick. i thought that was a little bit egotistical, and i thought it was wrong, and i thought it should have gone then. >> well, it also parallels a similar issue that we had in scotland as well, where we've had two leaders now who have

essentially lost the confidence of their political parties. of course, coming after liz truss and boris johnson as well. i think the broader issue is a crisis of leadership actually across british politics. >> are you in wales, what do you think? to all the goings on there? get in touch with me as i just described, to how a minute ago and tell me your thoughts on it all. carry your thoughts. >> well, i think it's up to the welsh people and the circumstances in wales have been so bad in terms of housing crisis, unemployment , rising crisis, unemployment, rising living costs and here we have someone who's feathered his own nest, which was what seemed to have pushed that vote of no confidence. how? >> what do you mean when you say he's feathered his own? he was accused of fraud, basically, so that, you know, it does seem to be case closed. >> what are we on about? he didn't. >> the first minister in wales, who was accused of corruption. >> but we all know about this £200,000 donation because, i mean, there's a lot there's a lot of allegations and suggestions flying around all over the place.

>> well, there's the thing about the donation, but there's other stuff lying around . i don't know stuff lying around. i don't know if it's true. maybe it's not about corruption. so, you know, it seems that if you lose a vote of confidence, you've got to step down. and he hasn't. and it strikes me as an arrogant. >> but that's not the rules, though, which i find really strange because i find that the rules should be if you go to that vote and you lose that vote, i feel like the rules should be it's binding. so you're gone . i find it you're gone. i find it staggering that actually you can go to all that time, effort and investment in having these kind of votes and they're non—binding. what's the point? >> well, i think you're right. you're right on that. to be honest. >> do you think they should be binding. that's kind of confidence. yeah. >> yeah i mean i think if you lose confidence of your party, if you lose the confidence of parliament, of course you can't operate as a political leader. you won't be able to get anything across the line. >> but he thought he could. and he basically turn around and said, it was basically like political opportunism . political opportunism. opportunism. what's the word opportunism? thank you, it was

his kind of opponent's playing games today. you've seen those four cabinet ministers resign. one of those people, of course , one of those people, of course, tried to be the leader when he got in instead. so is this just kind of politicking and game playing? >> well, there's always an element of that. but if you lose as a leader, if you lose the confidence of the assembly of the parliament, you can't operate, you can't get anything through, and we saw that in scotland. we saw it in, in, in westminster, and now we see it in wales. i mean, it's as i say, it's an ongoing systemic issue. i think we need better leaders in british politics who inspire more confidence from their colleagues and voters. >> well, who do you want to be your next leader then? if you're in wales, tell me your thoughts on that. but let's talk about the broader point then about angela rayner. so she's been getting in touch with council leaders, offering people the opportunity now to be bold, step forward and get in touch with them to kind of figure out ways of making decisions at a local level now. or do you think ? yes. level now. or do you think? yes. >> i mean, i never thought i'd be saying this, but i agree with angela rayner in the sense that after brexit, the big promise in

british politics, one of the big promises was levelling up the left behind regions. i mean, we have people don't know this, but we have the highest rates of regional inequality in much of the western world. so the difference between for example, london and the north east or london and the north east or london and the north east or london and wales, and this is ultimately what helped boris johnson get elected in 2019. this big promise to level up the regions, what the conservatives did, though, is they basically said, we'll help you level up. if you apply to the centre for money, for pots of money will then give you that money and you can build a new town hall or a hospital or whatever, or a little statue in your centre. what labour are saying, and i think they have a point, actually, is that's not good enough. what you actually need to do is send power. not just money, but send power down to the regions to communities and allow them, for example, andy burnham in manchester or mayors in the midlands or wherever to make the decisions that are for best local people. and i actually agree with that because

i think the centre of british politics over the last 14 years, over the last 50 years, the centre the state has shown itself incapable or unwilling to take people who live outside of london to treat those people and communities with the respect and the recognition they deserve, >> what do you think, carrie? well i, i don't think it's just outside london. >> i think it's very much in london, too. and yes, we've seen a sort of real dereliction of democracy in westminster and in terms of the state. but i think that devolution or handing out more powers , which sounds good, more powers, which sounds good, it sounds i'm for the most direct democracy possible. that's why the referendum and brexit was so brilliant. your vote mattered, but most of these powers, people, power, people stepped in and tried to overturn it. >> yeah, exactly. >> yeah, exactly. >> but what are these powers without material resources anyway? what are they ? what is anyway? what are they? what is she saying? it sounds to me like a wonderful buck passing exercise . i think rather than

exercise. i think rather than having to make decisions about what society needs, you know , what society needs, you know, whether it's in the north or in london, you, you you are fetishising the process, which is a mayoral candidate or a local council. and in london, we've seen all these faux consultations with local people by sadiq khan. even asking a university to change the evidence for him to bring in ltns , you know, low traffic ltns, you know, low traffic neighbourhoods, which nobody wanted. and ulez . and so, you wanted. and ulez. and so, you know, what is rayner doing just to push back on that? >> i'm not to here defend the labour party and angela rayner, but i think ultimately as a principle, do you agree that power should be as close to the people as possible? because it's the principle of popular sovereignty, which is what ultimately what brexit was about . ultimately what brexit was about. we actually believe that the people are a source of legitimacy and authority in our

system, and they deserve to have power over the decisions that affect their daily lives . affect their daily lives. bureaucrats, technocrats, people at the centre think the opposite. they look down on the people . they think the people people. they think the people don't deserve power. they're suspicious of the people, and they would rather transfer that power to unelected, bureaucratic organisations above the nation state, like the european union , state, like the european union, or to quangos which don't have a direct line. so when we talk about sending power down, when we talk about devolution, when we talk about devolution, when we talk about some of the things gordon brown has also talked aboutin gordon brown has also talked about in terms of replacing the house of lords with a chamber of, of citizens or, you know , of, of citizens or, you know, having wholesale constitutional reform that brings more power and legitimacy to, to ordinary people, i don't agree with a lot of things. the labour party say, but but in terms of bringing power closer to the masses, i'm fully on board with that. >> i can tell you now, you guys are quite divided at home. so alexander, you've got in touch and you've said, we absolutely

need this. we need way more devolution. the country you say, has been way too london centric for way too long. and i can tell you now that many more of you are saying the complete opposite. craig says this is absolutely ridiculous. councils are going bust now, left, right and centre. and that's without full autonomy over the funds. you're saying that many of these people that run the councils and the councils within them are not fit to manage the purse strings? lots of you saying matt says devolution is just going to be an additional layer of bureaucracy, more expense to the taxpayer. councils are incompetent. many councils should not be permitted to borrow any money at all. that whole notion, in terms of the, mismanagement of the councils coming through thick and fast, if some of those council leaders were here, they'd be pushing back and saying, it's not. it's because they haven't had, all of the kind of funds that they need. and that's why they've got themselves in the position that they are in. so you can be the

judge. if they had more funds, do you reckon they'd be better managers or less better? your thoughts on all of that after the break? we've been praising the break? we've been praising the labour party there because i agree with you. actually, i do think that angela rayner is quite right on this one, but also one of the things that they were promising to get tough with is foreign workers and clamping down on that. well, it seems that those promises now are going to be kicked into the long grass. do you make to that? see you in two.

hello there. i'm michelle dewberry, and i'm with you until 7:00 tonight alongside me, my panel of professor of politics at the university of kent, mike goodwin, and the director of the charity world. right, kerry dingle. remain one of my viewers. we've just been talking about devolution and whether or not it works, there's lots of feedback coming from people in wales getting in touch with me about your 20 mile an hour situation. there's a lot of fury

coming through the inbox about that one. i can tell you that for free. you're not very happy about that one, look, there was about that one, look, there was a lot of talk in the election, wasn't there, about people's attitude and approaches to immigration. nigel farage, for example, said that this was going to be the immigration election. well i think actually labour talk quite tough on this. and one of the things that they were saying is that they were essentially going to try and crack down on foreign workers. it was going to be one of their priorities will, of course, we've got the king's speech tomorrow, and it now doesn't seem that this, plan of labour's is going to be contained within it . it's is going to be contained within it. it's going to be is going to be contained within it . it's going to be delayed. it. it's going to be delayed. what do you think to this? >> well, none of labour's plans on immigration are going to work. i mean, labour talked a good talk during the election campaign. they said they were going to smash the gangs, they were going to stop the illegal migration crisis at the border. they talked about lowering legal net migration, but they're already backtracking on some of the policies that they suggested they were going to bring forward. like, for example , forward. like, for example, clamping down on firms hiring overseas workers if they don't

pay overseas workers if they don't pay the minimum wage and wherever you look, with the labour party and migration policy , it's set up to fail. policy, it's set up to fail. i mean, take the illegal migration, issue the small boats, labour said. it's going to smash the gangs and set up a new border patrol command centre, which we basically already have. while it's going to remove the rwanda plan and the deterrent, which would discourage other people from coming over, and it's going to overturn rishi sunak illegal migration act, which allowed us essentially to move quicker and faster and deport illegal migrants in the country. and labour have said they're basically going to give an amnesty to 100,000 plus illegal migrants in the country. what we're seeing, michel, is the beginning of a much more liberal, laissez faire approach to migration. at exactly the same time as millions of people out there in the country become more concerned about the immigration crisis, become more sceptical about the effects of immigration on the country, and become more supportive of parties like reform, led by people like nigel farage, who have basically saying, look, we

need to get a grip on this because it's completely out of control and it is out of control, because if you look at the ons figures that came out yesterday, and i know you talked briefly about them on your show yesterday, i mean, the numbers are bananas. we are living through the biggest increase in our population since 1948, when troops came back from world war two. and we had a baby boom shortly after world war two. the key difference, of course, is the population increase today isn't because of british people coming back. it isn't because of british families having more kids. it's because of mass immigration. that's why our population is growing at the quickest rate since 1948. so if we don't get our arms around this, i'm worried, michel, that we're going to have a much bigger problem. well, do you think, carrie, >> well, i think labour's always posed as the friend of migrants and friend of refugees, but i think it's always been talking the talk and using it to batter white working class people in britain. >> so i don't have much sympathy for labour. and i think this

their policy idea, which they've now ditched for the king's speech tomorrow, was actually passing the buck anyway . so it's passing the buck anyway. so it's making employers have to deal with it rather than the government have to deal with it. and i also think that it's very convenient for a government that wants to sound good and friendly and oh so politically correct to not have to deal with upskilling workers in britain to not have to deal with the housing crisis, to deal with the housing crisis, to and allow, a leak to go on poaching doctors and people from the poorest countries on earth, which i think is, is scandalous and doesn't help either. refugees or the population in britain. i'm very pro immigration in terms of our ability to move freely around the world, but i don't think people should be dumped on, and i think it should be a matter of democratic decision making, making and labour doesn't try and do any of those things. well just briefly on that, i do think

the key point is there is no democratic mandate for the policy of mass immigration. >> there is no successive governments on both the left and the right for the last 25, 30 years have said we will lower overall levels of migration into the country, and then they've done the opposite. they've treated voters with contempt, and then they sit around and say, gee, i wonder why reform are getting 4 million votes, or i wonder why support for the two big parties just fell to its lowest level for 100 years. it's because what we're doing through mass immigration is we're basically giving the british people managed decline is what's happening. more pressure on the nhs , more pressure on public nhs, more pressure on public services. we're driving , services. we're driving, fuelling the housing crisis. everybody likes to talk about planning reform. they don't talk about surging demand, which is coming through migration. and to be blunt, we are weakening the social cohesion of our country because a lot of the people who are coming in now are coming from outside of europe. different values, different ways of life, different histories, different religions . of life, different histories, different religions. no nation state has ever gone through the speed and scale of demographic

change that we are going through currently, and come out on the other side as a healthy, prosperous , socially cohesive prosperous, socially cohesive society hasn't happened, >> i'm almost lviv to mention this because i think this fella's got a bit of a cheek actually talking about immigration, but tony blair, he has been speaking out and he's warned, keir starmer and i quote, to close off the avenues of the populist right by keeping tough controls on immigration. i say he's got a cheek, because i think a lot of the immigration that we see, it happened under tony blair's watch anyway. but also when you look at some of his ridiculous, disastrous war policies, that's one of the reasons that people are fleeing some of these countries. but anyway, this whole notion that you are somehow this can of populist, right leaning lunatic, if you have the audacity to want to have control of your country's borders, i find it quite frankly, insulting . quite frankly, insulting. >> well, it's how it's how people on the left try and

control the national conversation, because what they do is they expand these words, like far right, hate populism, and they try and discredit what are entirely legitimate views held by a large majority of the country. i actually think blair is right to say to the labour party, if you don't actually get serious about dealing with mass immigration and the illegal migration invasion on the borders, you're going to have a massive problem. he's right on that. and to be i do think politicians can change their minds. and i think blair has clearly changed his mind on mass migration. he's also been very critical of the woke because he thinks agree that hurts the left. >> but i don't agree at all. blair has always used immigration either. as i was saying , to bash white working saying, to bash white working class people as always, one step away from racist , violent away from racist, violent hysteria, which is actually what you're suggesting and what he's saying to starmer. get a grip on this or look what these bigots will do. i'm not. that's what

he's saying. i'm not suggesting i know you're not suggesting that stuck up. that's what i wouldn't stick up for blair at all in relation to this. he used he's used immigration to police, the white working class and make out that that we have mass potential bigotry on the horizon, which is rubbish. i also think we should where we should be careful where and i wouldn't trust labour on this at all, is to not play the kind of neo—malthusian numbers game and tell people that if we reduce the numbers, the economy will grow because there's nothing inherent in that at all. and we should also be honest that people are not just consumers of resources, they're also creators . resources, they're also creators. that's not to say there isn't a numbers problem in terms of migrants coming in, because of the lack of integration, assimilation, our inability to stand up for british values and our attempt to call british working class people racist. so there is a problem, but it isn't a population numbers problem. of course it's a population problem. well, that's not

causing the crisis that we're in or an unproductive british economy, is it? >> well, it's not either or if we have the biggest population increase that we've had in 75 years while trying to manage a housing crisis, while trying to fix the nhs , while trying to fix the nhs, while trying to improve public services, while trying to ensure british kids can get places at british schools . of course, the size of schools. of course, the size of the population matters. what we are going through is the biggest increase in the population we've had really since the late 40s. natural, change in our population in terms of births being greater than than deaths last year added 400 people net to the population. immigration added 600,000. so the size of the population matters. and if you look at where we're going, if we don't change track and i keep pointing this out, i write about this all the time. the next 12 years, we're going to have 6.5 million more people in this country, which is basically 70% of the city the size of london. 6.1 million of those

because of migration, migration is going to be 90% of our population growth over the next 12 years. nobody in westminster is talking about this . nobody is is talking about this. nobody is saying, well, how is this going to impact the housing crisis? how is this going to impact the nhs? i was in a&e recently trying to, you know, with my daughter, trying to just looking around. i mean, none of our pubuc around. i mean, none of our public services are working, but you're not allowed to say this is, you know, mass immigration is, you know, mass immigration is a contributing factor to that because that is considered to be somehow socially unacceptable. and if you look at countries around the world that used to be liberal on these issues, take canada, even canada, now, even justin trudeau has come out and said the population explosion is unsustainable because it's what's called the population trap. and that is crucial point when your population gets so big, the state can no longer provide basic services to its citizens. and that is why when you look around britain today, trains are not working, nhs is not working. can't get a gp's appointment. your kids can't get on the housing ladder, you don't feel safe. women are getting sexually harassed and leered at in london. there's violence on

the streets. lots of people in our country don't share our values. that is what i'm talking about. we are entering a population trap where the state can no longer provide basic services because our population is too big. and it's also, i would argue, becoming too diverse. you need a shared set of values and a shared identity to make a society function, and i think personally, we are losing that, that shared sense of unity. >> well, i mean, we talk about here, but look at what's been happening in ireland. have you seen the protests that's been happening there? if you've not caught, you know, caught up with that? look, i can play you a couple of clips now, there is mass unrest, actually. so many people unhappy that was creating this, migrant processing camp , this, migrant processing camp, basically, in coolock and the way that the gardai have responded to these protesters, i mean, they have been pepper sprayed, they have been whacked, with batons, they've had the

boots stuck in them. these people have been called thugs. the protesters have been called thugs. far right, you name it, the leaders there have been speaking out saying that they won't tolerate this kind of civil unrest. but when you listen to what these protesters are saying, matt, they're voicing so many of the things that you're raising. there's not the infrastructure here. who are these people? you don't even know who these people are. you're dumping them in our local neighbourhoods . you've got to neighbourhoods. you've got to remember, when you look in ireland, it wasn't that long ago they had those two, primary school children, one of them, i think it was a little girl aged about five, i think she was slashed across the neck. you had the primary school teacher there trying to help her. she was attacked as well. you've had the teacher. she was murdered. you had those two gay, men. they were murdered. so there's this whole backdrop, of crime that's making people feel nervous and anxious, but yet they're constantly smeared as being far

right, and that community is saying you are not consulting us. they're just being dumped upon. well, i think i think i think that's absolutely correct. >> and of course, this isn't the only case. we've had the mass industrial scale rape of young white working class girls across towns in england. where we saw sickening and still see sickening and still see sickening levels of sexual exploitation, primarily among pakistani muslim organised gangs, was another example whereby if you raised an objection, if you asked questions, you were, denounced as a racist, you were denounced as a racist, you were denounced as a racist, you were denounced as a far right agitator. journalists wouldn't touch it. local councils wouldn't touch it. police avoided it until the evidence became overwhelming. same story here, illegal migrants entering the country. we don't know who they are . we we don't know who they are. we don't know what values they hold. we know that some of them are pretty unsavoury. we had the abdul ezedi case, the pouring of chemicals and acid over a mother

and her two children. we've had sexual assaults and rapes in parts of southern england. people are nervous. they're asking questions. why can't you control our borders? you know, look, it's not why can't you ? look, it's not why can't you? why weren't and why won't you do it? it's imagine a nation as a home, which is how i like to think of it. our national community is a home. if you can't control who comes in and out of your home, what kind of home is it? it's the most basic, foundational thing. the state should be doing, which is control. who comes in and who goes out. and to see this. nearly ten years on from the vote for brexit, where we were supposed to become a self—governing, independent, sovereign nation that could control our own destiny, i think thatis control our own destiny, i think that is what strikes many people as completely outrageous and just to be clear, by the way, on those protests, i don't condone people setting fire to things and attacking security guards and attacking security guards and all the rest of it, but the point here is that these community people are they're not being listened to. >> when you look at the minister for justice, she's tweeting out all of these threads about how it's unacceptable and thuggish

criminal behaviour and all the rest of it, but they just seem to either not recognise the need to either not recognise the need to consult people or seem to recognise it and quite frankly not care less about consulting people. if i find it beggars belief really, that you can't even put an extension in your house in some places without your neighbours having the right to veto it. but yet when it comes to these kind of things, you can build camps, so it seems, or you can put unknown people into communities without any, any form of proper consultation at all. what do you make of it all? i'll tell you now who's been raising eyebrows and upsetting people. donald trump's running mate jd vance. he has joked that the uk might have a problem with islamism. what do you think to it? are you into?

hi there. i'm michelle dewberry

seven alongside me. i've got the professor of politics at the university of kent, matt goodwin, and the director of the charity world right, kerry dingle. kerry, i didn't get your reaction to those protests in ireland. i was just showing there your thoughts . there your thoughts. >> well, i think you make the right point , actually, michel, right point, actually, michel, it's the lack of consent and it does seem that the irish government is sort of liking to bask in this glow of being pro—immigration, and then not providing any of the structures or, or resources in order to provide for the unsurprising, huge uptick in asylum seekers coming to apple. and apparently dublin's like tent city. but i do think the key thing is they're going behind the backs of their own citizens. and i think we have to understand, obviously, the irish government is enthralled to the eu and actually makes a whole, you know, you know, a great thing out of going behind the backs of its citizens, which is what the eu represents . so i don't think eu represents. so i don't think it should come as a big

surprise, but it is a terrible and outrageous situation. >> in terms of labour and whether or not they are going to clamp down on that legal, whether or not they are going to clamp down on that legal , just clamp down on that legal, just foreign workers. what do you think, owen says, michel, it's simple. we cannot and will not reduce migration until employers start paying wages that entice british people to do the jobs that they don't want to do. the minimum wage £11.44. currently in this country, what would you raise it to then? give me your thoughts on that, mary says, michel, can i just make a point, please? the vast amount of immigrants make fantastic contributions to this country, all for control. she says. but please, can we not lose sight of that fact? i think that's interesting. i think she makes a good point. there >> absolutely, completely, >> absolutely, completely, >> many of you don't trust, labour on immigration, but did you trust the tories? i mean, do you trust the tories? i mean, do you trust the tories? i mean, do you trust anyone? quite frankly, because they all talk a good game, don't they? but whether or not they can deliver is anyone's business. now, i'll tell you who has been talking and upsetting quite a lot of people. donald

trump's running mate, jd vance, he's giving a speech. listen to what he had to say. >> well, i have to beat up on the uk. just one. one additional thing. i was talking with a friend recently, and we were talking about, you know, one of the big dangers in the, in the world, of course, is nuclear proliferation, though, of course, the biden administration doesn't care about it. and i was talking about, you know , what is talking about, you know, what is the first truly islamist country that will get a nuclear weapon? and we were like, maybe it's iran. you know, maybe pakistan already kind of counts. and then we sort of finally decided maybe it's actually the uk since labourjust it's actually the uk since labour just took over. but . it's actually the uk since labourjust took over. but. but labour just took over. but. but my tory friends, i have to say, you guys have got to get you gotta get a handle on this . gotta get a handle on this. >> ouch. well, he was clearly joking, but many people have really been pretty outraged by that statement. what did you make to it? >> i don't think he was joking. ispeak >> i don't think he was joking. i speak to a lot of people in washington. i'm going there next week to give a talk. they're

laughing at us. there are lots of republicans and conservatives who are looking at the decisions that we've taken in the uk , that we've taken in the uk, particularly decisions around mass immigration, our failure to take on segregation , take on segregation, sectarianism, j.d. vance has been looking at what's been happening at some of our recent elections, and they're looking at the projections of where europe is going over the next 50 years from reliable centres like the pew research centre. and they show that in the uk, between now and the year 2050, the share of our population that is muslim will more than double to about 20 to 25. in countries like sweden. it will go up to 30 to 35. we won't be a majority islamic country any time soon, but we already have a serious problem with radical islamism. we have not only about 40,000 suspected islamic state sympathisers in the country , sympathisers in the country, according to the security

services. but as we saw at the general election, we have radical islamists pressuring the labour party, intimidating labour party, intimidating labour mps, turning up at their homes, electing independent candidates. i've done surveys that have shown just how much of a problem this is. that have shown just how much of a problem this is . other a problem this is. other companies, michel, have found that 40% of british muslims in this country would like to see a muslim only political party, but these are serious issues. and j.d. vance, on the one hand, is joking, but on the other hand, i know in washington they look at us and they think we're a joke in terms of some of the decisions that we've taken, and they look at much of europe, to be frank, and they say, what is going on here? >> i've got to say quite a lot of you guys at home actually don't think, that he was joking, there's been a lot of kind of hoo ha made of this in terms of, you know, what does this mean, then, for this so—called special relation ship? if trump and he get elected? your thoughts on this, kerry ? this, kerry? >> well, i, i do hope you're wrong, matt . and that he is wrong, matt. and that he is lampooning britain somewhat, but i don't think and i think, you

know, your viewers are right, michel, because, you know, islamist extremism is a very serious problem and it's the predominant terror threat in the uk. but i think we should be very careful not to tar all muslims, the majority of whom are very moderate, with the same, brush. my main concern in fact, is that one of the hundreds of thousands of people who are a problem are young people in britain, america, who are actually supporting hamas, are actually supporting hamas, are supporting an islamist terrorist organisation. and i think that should really concern us, not just the failed, the failure of our political class to challenge islamism . and to challenge islamism. and because if you say anything, you're an islamophobe . and we you're an islamophobe. and we think we all know that's what's going on. >> i mean, we saw this in the aftermath, most notoriously in the aftermath of the murder of sir david amess when he was murdered by an islamic state. >> and everyone started talking

about be kind on social media discussion about social media. well, don't forget everyone, well, you won't forget. i'm sure you've still got a teacher hiding in batley. that was all allowed to take place. it's been allowed to take place. it's been allowed to take place. it's been allowed to continue. and i mean, i don't know what people expect to happen if you don't clamp down on these kind of things of course it will mushroom and continue to grow. your thoughts on all of that. we'll return, perhaps to this conversation in two minutes. but i also want to ask you, if you get elected as an mp into westminster, should you have

hi there. michelle dewberry seven. mike goodwin and kerry dingle remain alongside me. now, if you get elected as an mp into westminster, should you have to swear an oath of allegiance to the king? listen to this one. >> i take this oath under protest , and >> i take this oath under protest, and in the >> i take this oath under protest , and in the hope that protest, and in the hope that one day my fellow citizens will democratically decide to live in

a republic. until that time, i do solemnly, sincerely and truly declare and affirm that i will be faithful and bear true allegiance to his majesty king charles. according to law . charles. according to law. >> ridiculous. what do you think, harry? >> well, i think good on him for having a go. and then he had to. he had to do it again because he missed out of further allegiance. >> he lasted about five seconds till he roared back after he got. >> he rowed back because he wanted to keep his position as mp , you know. fair enough. but mp, you know. fair enough. but i think it is a completely anachronistic medieval, you know, parliamentary oath from 1866, a time when john stuart mill introduced the first attempt to get votes for women through parliament, opposed by the way, by george v and queen victoria, who always opposed women having the vote and the mass of working class people having vote. this is an entirely anti—democratic piece of

nonsense that, along with the house of lords, needs to go part of it. >> then, if you feel like that, and that's a valid perspective, why put yourself forward to be sitting as part of it? >> because if you're a democrat, you need to argue and win over your constituents and people to back you to make those political changes. and i hope it's not just a one off by him. i think as a labourite is he a labourite? i think it might just be a sound bite, unfortunately. because i do think swearing allegiance to a miserablist green monarch is anathema. >> you know , he had no. if he >> you know, he had no. if he felt as strongly as he made out, i thought he looked ridiculous. >> he won't be as feel as strongly as me about this. i don't think he's that big democrat. >> later, at the risk of a £500 fine and then potentially other stuff, mark your thoughts. yeah. >> look, i mean, i'm all in favour of people expressing their views. we live in a free society. i pro free speech. free expression. i think the constitutional monarchy has a

lot to offer the country. it provides us with a sense of continuity. it provides us with a sense of unity. it helps hold our nation together. it provides advice to rulers that continues beyond individual governments and ministers. i mean, it's a lot of advantages to bring to the table. i think clive lewis can say what he wants to me. his general demeanour struck me as a little bit sort of, but then virtue signalling, a bit narcissistic . narcissistic. >> but then on the other hand, though, you will say it's important that people kind of rally around a set of british values and that we're all on the same page and so on, and so forth. so surely respect for the monarchy should be one of those key components. >> that's what i'm saying. i think it's an integral part of who we are, and i think we need to teach children in our schools who. yeah. >> but on the other hand, michel, you say, look at the going behind people's backs. you know, all these anti—democratic know, all these anti —democratic measures know, all these anti—democratic measures like swearing allegiance to the monarchy instead of to the people is about overriding and going behind people's backs. it's about saying you're less important than the king so i

don't think you can have your cake and eat it. a symbol of the people. the monarchy is a symbol of the is it a symbol of the people? >> when you symbol of who we are, where allegiance to an unelected, you know, really rich man who can lord it over you and who has got his own miserablist green agenda rather than swearing allegiance to serve your constituents and the people. >> why would you want to do that in 2024? it's medieval . in 2024? it's medieval. >> well, by the way, you do say you was elected to parliament to represent your constituents and the country to the best of your ability, but then you have to add on, the, pledging allegiance to his majesty king charles, his , to his majesty king charles, his, hers and his successors according to law. >> or you get thrown out of parliament. that's why sinn fein. i don't agree with sinn fein, but that's why they're not in parliament. because they won't swear the oath, >> glenn says on your say, if you don't pledge to the king, then you shouldn't be able to get into parliament, he says. simple. i like it sometimes. the

most simple solutions are the best ones. glenn, i like you and i like your thinking. glenn. many people disagree with you and think that you should absolutely be doing that if you want your place in parliament. look, that's all i've got time for, the big man, nigel farage, is up next, thanks to my panel. thanks to you. don't go anywhere and i'll see you tomorrow night. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar, sponsors of weather on gb news >> hello. good evening. welcome to your latest gb news. weather update wednesday is going to be a much sunnier day and a drier day for most of us. it's also going to be feeling considerably warmer for this evening, though we've still got low pressure in charge across eastern areas , so charge across eastern areas, so still some heavy rain to come through some parts of this evening. but behind it, a ridge of high pressure will bring clearer skies for western areas and then more widely through the night across to the east. once those showers clear away into the north sea. so a dry night to come for most of us, we could

see the odd shower moving in across northern areas of scotland, but clear skies mean the temperatures will fall away a little lower than they have done last night, so temperatures around 12 or 13 degrees at first thing. but it's going to be a very bright start to the day. i think we'll be making the most of the july sunshine the best of the sunshine through the day will likely be across the south coast of england, parts of south wales as well. 15 or 16 degrees. first thing, fairly light winds as well. a bit more cloud across northern areas of northern ireland. parts of western scotland as well. we could see the odd shower moving in across the odd shower moving in across the highlands and the northern islands as well. but for most of us it's going to be a dry and bright start to the day on wednesday, which will really make a difference. i'm sure, and it should stay dry through much of the day. there is a risk of the odd shower developing across parts of england and wales, possibly up towards scotland as well. we'll also see thicker cloud moving in as this weather front approaches . it's not going front approaches. it's not going to make too much progress though, so it will just bring cloudier skies to parts of

northern ireland and parts of north—west scotland, but elsewhere, with more in the way of sunshine temperatures climbing in towards the mid 20s and for many of us into the low 20s. now thursday looks like another mainly dry and fine day. temperatures will climb higher as well on thursday, but all the while across the north and west it will remain that much cloudier, with a risk of some showery rain for parts of northern ireland and western scotland. so the further south and east you are, the more longer lived sunshine and heat you will see. temperatures will climb towards 30 degrees for fri day. >> friday. >> looks like things are heating up. boxt boilers sponsors of weather on

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donald trump victory. now inevitable? and what do we make of his vice presidential pick, jd vance? let's talk defence. after all, nobody else did dunng after all, nobody else did during the general election campaign at all. labour about to launch a defence review . are launch a defence review. are they right? is nato our future or somehow, are we going to get closer to a european defence union? the king's speech comes tomorrow, but i wonder before we hear that, just how healthy is our democracy , given some of the our democracy, given some of the turnout figures in this general election? but before all of that, let's get the news with polly middlehurst. >> nigel, thanks very much indeed. and good evening to you. jay slater's mother says the confirmation of her son's death in tenerife is the worst news she could have received. in a statement, debbie duncan said she can't believe what's happened to her beautiful boy, adding our hearts are broken. the 19 year old, from lancashire , the 19 year old, from lancashire, disappeared off the island a month ago after attending a music festival. a spanish court

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