links with them we need closer links with them or not.7 and also a big policy announcement, £84 million of new money to be spent on things like health and education in africa and the middle east to try and prevent people migrating. your thoughts on that? and if you've ever played monopoly, you'll know that park lane is one of the most expensive spots on the board. it's one of london's most prestigious addresses . i'm prestigious addresses. i'm telling you, you will not believe what it looks like today. and there's been a campaign underway now to entice new recruits to the police. would you join up? and finally, a good news day, everybody, when it comes to just stop oil, fabulous news. we're going to get into it before seven. all of that and more. but first, the 6:00 news. >> michel, thank you and good evening to you. well, the top

story from the gb newsroom tonight. as you've heard, sir keir starmer has announced £84 million worth of new funding, this time to tackle illegal migration. speaking at the end of a summit of european leaders at blenheim palace in oxfordshire, he promised to grip europe's migration crisis. the prime minister also says he wants to reset our relationship with the continent and push for closer security ties with other countries. the group has agreed on boosting defence capabilities in ukraine as it defends itself against russia. meanwhile, volodymyr zelenskyy is among the more than 40 european leaders meeting in oxfordshire and they're promising more support for ukraine. earlier, the ukrainian president said he's counting on sir keir starmer's support in the uk demonstrated leadership from the very beginning of russian attacks and all the strong steps and some some not. >> simple steps, always ukraine

uk began. so i count on my meeting. i will have meeting with prime minister and also bilateral one. and also i will have i will have meeting with, with the government . with the government. >> president zelenskyy at the european political community summit today. well, in other news, sir keir starmer says today's report from the covid inquiry confirms the uk was unprepared for the coronavirus outbreak when it happened in the 240 page assessment released this lunchtime, baroness hallett found there were significant and widespread failures from successive governments. the report also condemns the 2011 pandemic strategy for being virtually abandoned when covid hit, with no focus on economic and social impacts. ten recommendations were made, including a more simple approach to dealing with health emergencies and conducting uk wide pandemic exercises every three years. the prime minister said his government is committed

to learning from the inquiry and expressed his heartfelt sympathy to those who lost loved ones dunng to those who lost loved ones during the pandemic. at least eight more reports will follow today's publication . five just today's publication. five just stop oil protesters, including one of its co—founders, were jailed today for conspiring to organise protests that blocked the m25 motorway, causing massive disruption for motorists. roger hallam, daniel schorr , louise lancaster, lucia schorr, louise lancaster, lucia whittaker de abreu and cressida gethin organised 45 protesters to climb onto gantries over the motorway for four successive days in november 2022. prosecutors alleged the protests cost the metropolitan police more than £1 million and caused more than £1 million and caused more than £1 million and caused more than 50,000 hours of vehicle delays for drivers. hallam was sentenced to five years imprisonment, while the remaining four defendants were each handed four years imprisonment. judge christopher hehir said the five had crossed

the line from concerned campaigners to being fanatics . campaigners to being fanatics. now in the united states, the washington post is reporting that barack obama has told his allies joe biden needs to reconsider his election bid. meanwhile, the former house speaken meanwhile, the former house speaker, nancy pelosi, is already reportedly backing calls for him to step aside in the presidential race. white house officials are suggesting she's privately told joe biden he cannot win the november 5th election, echoing a growing number of democrats who've raised serious concerns about the president's ability to defeat donald trump. it all comes after the assassination attempt on donald trump's life on saturday, which had initially seemed to reduce pressure on biden to withdraw the white house. and nancy pelosi's officials haven't commented, and democrats are now grappling with the potential shift in their 2024 campaign strategy and all that coming , as joe biden has

that coming, as joe biden has been confirmed now to have pulled out of a campaign after contracting covid. >> i made a serious mistake in the whole debate and, and look, when i originally ran, you may remember it. i said i was going to be a transitional candidate, and i thought that i'd be able to move from this to pass it on to move from this to pass it on to someone else. but i didn't anticipate things getting so, so , anticipate things getting so, so, so divided. and quite frankly , i so divided. and quite frankly, i think the only thing age brings a little bit of wisdom. and i think i've demonstrated that i know how to get things done for the country. >> here in the uk , one person >> here in the uk, one person has died and 71 people have been rescued after a migrant boat sankin rescued after a migrant boat sank in the channel late last night. all those on board the vessel ended up in the water, but they were rescued in a joint operation between the uk and france and two prominent mps, both former government ministers overseeing the post office, are

being questioned at the horizon it inquiry today. being questioned at the horizon it inquiry today . labour's pat it inquiry today. labour's pat mcfadden was postal affairs minister and sir ed davey, now the leader of the liberal democrats, also held the role. they're being asked about errors in the horizon it system, which to led subpostmasters being wrongly convicted of fraud. those are your latest news headlines. i'm polly middlehurst. i'm back in an houn middlehurst. i'm back in an hour. see you then for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code, or go to gbnews.com forward slash alerts . slash alerts. >> thanks very much for that. i'm michelle dewberry and i'm with you till 7:00 tonight alongside me. i've got my panel, the former editor of the sun, kelvin mackenzie, and the visiting professor of education at the university of staffordshire, tom burke. good evening to you and good evening to each and every single one of

you guys at home. you know the drill. it's not just about us. it is about you guys at home. as well. what's on your mind tonight? you can get in touch with me all the usual ways. you can email gb views @gbnews. com you can go to twitter or x or of course you can go to our website gbnews.com/yoursay and be part of the conversation there. but wherever you are tonight you are very, very welcome indeed. i've got so much i want to talk to you about, of course, a big summit today with keir starmers european counterparts that big announcement of £84 million as well of so—called new money that they're going to be spending, to try and stop people migrating from africa and the middle east. but first, everybody , it's very but first, everybody, it's very rare that i can commence the show with good news, very, very rare. so i want to just take this opportunity to indulge myself with something that made me smile . if you don't mind, me smile. if you don't mind, just stop oil. it's very, very rare that i cover, their ridiculous antics on this programme because i do personally believe that when they get up to their

ridiculousness, if you just ignore them and you starve them of the oxygen of publicity, then they might pack it in with their antics. so hence i very rarely cover them. however some something good happened today, at least in my opinion, because five just stop oil protesters , five just stop oil protesters, including one of its co—founders. they've been sent to jail. everybody. you all remember some of these protests. they wanted to organise the m25, for example, causing massive disruption there. now, i've got to say they've got some quite strong, sentences here. many people absolutely crying about it. they think it's absolutely appalling the sentences they receive. i think it's absolutely fabulous. quite frankly . kelvin fabulous. quite frankly. kelvin mackenzie, what do you make to it? >> well, i was i was delighted and five years and i think, i think three of his colleagues got four years. this is at southwark crown court and it's the, longest sentence ever for a non—violent protest. so that

will tell you. but you've got to bearin will tell you. but you've got to bear in mind they for four days, they totally disrupted the m25, caused massive problems , the caused massive problems, the huge cost of policing and what the judge said. and i was delighted that there is a judge at southwark crown court who actually knows how to sentence people. after all, he left off two rolex robbers only the day before yesterday is that he said you've gone from ordinary, peaceful protests, you've become fanatics and i am going to end this. and the great thing is that this, and i guarantee you this. chris packham, right, this is the reason i really enjoy this is chris packham is furious and describes it as a sham. it's and describes it as a sham. it's a scam. and you know what'll happen on the bbc tonight? it will be all about chris packham weeping buckets of it. and there will be very no mention of the people who spent hours and hours on the m25 stranded by this protest . protest. >> tonbridge what do you think to it? >> well, i do enjoy chris packham springwatch, or summer watch. so hopefully he'll focus more on the television and less on bailing out extinction rebellion. i mean, look, we all remember , don't we? some of the

remember, don't we? some of the disruption that was caused when i read harrowing stories about, one woman, you know, who lost a relative because an ambulance couldn't get through one of these protests, but they faced justice. today, in a democracy, you have a right to protest . i you have a right to protest. i absolutely support that. but you don't have a right to break the law. and you certainly don't have the right to disrupt millions of people, which is what happened over a very long penod what happened over a very long period of time. >> i mean, when you look at some of the reaction to this online, i mean, they're calling these people hashtag the whole truth . people hashtag the whole truth. five and i'm telling you, there's quite a lot of outrage by people who support their antics, astonishingly severe sentence, says one, campaigner here she says that the judge was completely severe. this was non—violent and absolutely shouldn't have happened, she says, what's happened to free speech? they were trying to protect our planet, they're not violent. they are despairing, thatis violent. they are despairing, that is from jenny jones, of the

greens there. dale. vince, you'll be familiar with him. he's absolutely furious about this. he's saying that these peaceful protesters have received the longest ever sentences for non—violent protest. a combined total of 21 years. he says the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but cannot exclude the hashtag climate crisis. so lots of people completely divided, here just stop oil, saying that this is outrageous . they've organised is outrageous. they've organised petitions and so on and so forth. it really has divided opinion because there are certain people that literally think the world is about to spontaneously combust, and how we've not all burnt to death already, quite frankly, is miracle. >> yes. well, the same the climate change mob from last yean climate change mob from last year, of course, are now have been drowned by rain this year. look, i'm not saying there isn't an argument. all i'm saying is that this argument can't be conducted in this manner. right.

there is a debate about this. we have both sides, actually, of the house who are pretty, pretty signed on to climate change and trying to trying to address the issues that we all face through ev and also wind and all the rest of the stuff. but when people start wrecking other people's lives in the name of their protest, then they must expect to go to court. and once you start hearing about five years and four years, the number, the queue of these people will get smaller. or if it doesn't, we're going to have to build more jails , which i'm to build more jails, which i'm in favour of anyway. >> the flip side to this, because there will be many people, tom, that say, well, hang on a second, because we've got very limited prison space. we're letting people out early already from prisons. so then how can this kind of activity, be celebrated for sending people to prison? we've got a new justice. prisons minister. sorry. james timpson , he's very sorry. james timpson, he's very passionate that not everybody that's in prison should be in prison. he thinks that very few of those people actually should have been sentenced. and he's

very passionate about kind of non jail. i would say punishment. he would perhaps say rehabilitation. >> well the purpose of prison absolutely should be about rehabilitation. and most prisoners on good behaviour will get out after half their sentence when they go up to the parole board. i suspect the same thing will happen here as well . thing will happen here as well. but the point still stands. and i agree with calvin on on this. if you break the law, if you vandalise, the streets, if you prevent people from going about their daily business and you do have to face the consequences of that, and that's what's clearly happened here, >> dylan, you're quite harsh. on the website, you're saying you felt that this was a very light sentence for just stop oil. you're saying that it should have been life in prison, i've got to say, i think that's a bit harsh. i wouldn't agree with that one, though , this, one of that one, though, this, one of my darrel , actually, one of my my darrel, actually, one of my viewers, he says calvin just described it as non—violent protest, but that's wrong, free

speech. he says, does not mean that you have the right to violate the rights of others. and violent doesn't necessarily mean physical violence against a person, lots of people. again, you're really , really divided you're really, really divided about this, jen says that it feels to you like people have been let off lightly because of the situation with overcrowding and so on and so forth in the prisons. do you share that view, lots of you. one of you now saying, actually, thomas says, if we're finally imprisoning people for causing severe disruption , can we convict disruption, can we convict previous politicians for allowing the immigration crisis? you're saying that that creates a severe disruption? now, i can tell you you're asking about the immigration crisis. there's been a big european summit today. keir starmer, he's been talking about hitting reset, brand new eras and so on and so forth. after the break, i'm going to talk to you about £84 million worth of new funding that keir

starmer thinks will perhaps try and stem the flow of people migrating from africa and the middle east. but before i get on to that part, all of this notion about new ties, the focus on ukraine that got a lot of attention today, with keir starmer reiterating his support to ukraine. what do you think to that? kelvin >> well, i'm delighted that starmer appears at the moment to be solidly behind zelenskyy, who looked i thought, reduced a reduced figure at that conference today. he has a lot of worries. right. not connected with not connected with europe. i think they're pretty solid after all, they can recognise putin is just over the mountain there, right? 3000 miles away. it's a different argument. and so i, i hope that starmer is going to stay strong. let's hope he turns out to be stronger than he turns out to be stronger than he appeared to be in the corbyn cabinet. when being a remainer, sitting in the brexit chair. so i don't trust him. he's a lawyer

andifs i don't trust him. he's a lawyer and it's as simple as that. >> oh harsh man tom, i thought actually one of the best leadership speeches from blenheim palace today. >> i caught a bit of it earlier. it was actually from the danish prime minister, one of only four heading, one of only four centre left governments currently in the european union. i thought the european union. i thought the point that she made about how europe got it wrong in 2014. we appeased, putin, then the germans and the dutch for example, agreed the nord stream 2 gas pipeline in order to get a competitive advantage and get cheap energy into the powerhouse that's german. german manufacturing. so the fact that she was saying that, you know, there can be no appeasement, it's not just good enough anymore to say we need to be arming ukraine in order to defend itself. we need to be arming ukraine to win this war. >> and that's why winning the war mean . war mean. >> well, it means pushing back the russian aggression from the donbas from these parts of

eastern ukraine, including the crimea, that have been occupied illegally under international law. and he is a dictator, needs to respect the borders. >> so you want us to be actively involved in attacking russia? >> i don't think that's what actually these european leaders are saying. i think what they're saying is we need to sort of get out of the niceties that somehow you can have f—16s, you can have pretty powerful weapons and air defence systems purely in a defensive posture that if you've got for example, russian troops massing on the russian ukrainian border, albeit on their own side of the border, then under international law, that is a legitimate target. and therefore ukraine should, i mean , i'm ukraine should, i mean, i'm massively to the russians, i'm massively to the russians, i'm massively in favour of arming zelenskyy. >> but the idea that when there is a peace deal that it will involve handing, getting russia to hand back the crimea or that we have enough armed forces and attitudes within western europe in order to take on russia, i

think is for the birds, man, because the trouble is that putin has said, i have more nuclear weapons than the rest of the world put together. i am going to use them against you . going to use them against you. now. i don't know whether he's whether he's being telling the truth or not, but what i do know is that we do not wish to get involved in that kind of conflict. so there is going to be a deal on all this. and to be honest, it's out of our hands because if trump comes in and i noficed because if trump comes in and i noticed , that that his, that his noticed, that that his, that his vice president varne has been at least as tough if they come in and say we are not going to arm ukraine from now onwards, that basically is the end of the war. >> what do you make to this one at home? coming up after the break, i want to discuss with you this what keir starmer had to say as well. take a listen. >> stop illegal migration. we must also tackle it at source. so today i am announcing £84 million of new funding for projects across africa and the

middle east that includes humanitarian and health support, skills training, help with job opportunities and access to education. this is a vital part of gripping the migration crisis, and it shows how we're going to do business on the world stage. >> your thoughts on that? i'll see you in

tv presented by the. i'm michelle dewberry with you until 7:00 tonight. the fellow you can hear chirping in my ear rudely as we return from the break. there's the former editor of the sun, kelvin mackenzie, alongside him, much politer , much better him, much politer, much better behaved, much more professional, i say a visiting professor of education at the university of staffordshire, tom berwick. welcome back, everybody. look,

i'm going to play you a clip now. i just played you it before the break. it's keir starmer. he's just been announcing quite a new policy. take a listen . a new policy. take a listen. >> stop illegal migration. we must also tackle it at source. so today i am announcing £84 million of new funding for projects across africa and the middle east. that includes humanitarian and health support, skills training, help with job opportunities and access to education. this is a vital part of gripping the migration crisis, and it shows how we're going to do business on the world stage . world stage. >> a bold new era. many people say it was the migration election, and all the rest of it . election, and all the rest of it. so how keir starmer is going to approach the problem , for approach the problem, for example, of the small boats, has been the talk of the town among

many people. he's said about this whole sentence about getting tough and smashing the gangs and all the rest, whatever, we've heard that many, many times, this £84 million, though, to try and stop the problem. quote at source. what do you think to that? kelvin >> well, it's a look. it's a nice thing to do if we had a spare £84 million, right. by all means, educate people in africa and the middle east and the like. and the middle east and the uke.the and the middle east and the like. the idea, the linkage that i do dislike intensely. first of all, we haven't got 84 million, but the most important aspect is the idea that in some way this will be linked to stopping, migration. the people , the migration. the people, the reason people are on the move is because a, because there's either a war or some terrible conflagration in their country and they want to come to a country which will supply them with money and possibly work and generally a higher standard of living . and £84 million is living. and £84 million is neither here nor there. he's got to say something. and so he said 84. he might have. well, said 184 or he might have said eight.

and forums it doesn't really matter. so i think he he wants to solve this. i am pleased that somebody wants to solve it. i've been listening to this tosh now from the tories now for the last ten years, and now i hope i'm not going to listen to the same tosh from the labour party, tom. >> well, the tosh that you heard from the tories was the rwanda scheme, which was going to cost, according to the national audit office, 150,000 per migrant for the 0.1% that if those planes had took off, we would have got out to rwanda . but what i think out to rwanda. but what i think is really good about these pictures coming out of blenheim palace today, of course, the birthplace of one mr winston churchill, a very famous prime minister, is it feels like britain is back on the world stage and that sir keir starmer, our new prime minister, is using the full panoply of british statecraft to start to get some deals done around how collectively, not just in britain, but around europe and around the world, we face this global migration challenge because you're quite right, a

lot of this is driven in part by climate, part by war, part by economic migrants as well, that come across the schengen zone. i mean, 300,000 people enter the european union's borders every yeah european union's borders every year. and what i want to see, actually a labour prime minister now, do is kick on, not just announce, as you say, £84 million, for africa. but i understand he's having dinner a 1 to 1 dinner with president macron this evening, i think, on the menu, as well as some far gras should be a returns agreement with france, because i think we all know if we smash that business model where people can get in a boat and come over to calais and then have their claims processed, that's what's driving this vile trade. >> you see. see, he he now says, i'm a dpp, i know how to smash gangs. okay actually, perhaps he should go into north london and see the drugs war between the two aspects of a separate point. no, no , no, the point i'm making no, no, no, the point i'm making is smashing gangs is not easy. and when you're making when

you're making two and £300,000 per boat, that's coming over, you're going to you're going to be cleverer than the people trying to disrupt. >> what i'm saying, calvin, is that are we going to really break this business model, just border command, smashing the gangs, giving more money to the french police , etc, etc. to french police, etc, etc. to carry on doing what they're doing is essentially watching these craft launch from the shores of calais. that is not going to break the business model of the gangs. what will break the business model is if there's some kind of agreement with the eu as part of their migration pact. i mean, i did some basic maths earlier based on that 300,000 that come across the eu's borders. if we opted into that migration pact, we'd have to take maybe 29,000. processed asylum seekers or migrants each year. that's far less than the 50,000 that we're on course again. another record breaking year to take. what would the british people prefer ? would the british people prefer? okay, tom, the gangs. >> we're here next year. we're here next year. i'm not sure

where the michelle is going to be here, but if we're here next yean be here, but if we're here next year, it's got some inside information, right? no, we got we. if we're here next year, do you expect the boats still to be coming across the water, or will you be saying actually we've solved it and we are now going to take 30, 40, 50, 100,000 part of the european pound. >> i want to get into the predictions game, calvin, but i can see already on in relation to the legal migration challenge. we've just had a record year, 700,000 people have come in, but policies that are already in train conservative policies. the last government conservative policies will result by this time next year. legal migration halving. i think if keir starmer and his government can get this deal on a returns agreement with france, stroke eu, then if in a year's time the boats have stopped and migration legal migration has been reduced by half, it will. i think the labour government will take that. yes. >> no. and i tell you what the conservatives would have done as well. they were lamentable. it's probably the most shocking political kind of impotence i

have ever seen. and in that , on have ever seen. and in that, on that respect, they deserve to be slung out. and if that happened, that would also be the end of reform. so, i suspect so there's a big prize to be had and i hope the boats are stopped. i don't really care who stops them. i would have preferred the tories to have done it. they turned out to have done it. they turned out to be useless. >> but hold on a second. so i just want to write on the one hand, we're constantly getting told we've got no money. there is no money. oh, i've opened these books and goodness me, it's so scary. it's 100 times worse than i ever imagined. we're going to have to tighten our belts. we're in for a tough time. all the rest of it. that's what goes on domestically within this country, and the problems that are faced here. but it does feel a little bit like when it's any other country's problems. we can shake this magic money tree, to goodness knows how many times per minute and all of this cash is rattling out. why is there this constant sense that we have no money to fix problems here, but we have this infinite supply of cash to farm out? we have we have a foreign aid budget. and i

mean, that is running into the multiples of millions of pounds. thatis multiples of millions of pounds. that is apparently supposed to be spent on helping different countries here. there and everywhere. why is it not working ? what analysis has been working? what analysis has been done as to the effectiveness of the billions that we're spending before? we've just announced nearly another hundred million pounds. >> and where does it all go anyway? you know, what seems to happenis anyway? you know, what seems to happen is that the people, these dictators who run various countries around the world, seems to get bigger and bigger cars on our money. we haven't. we are not a successful nation at the moment, right? we're not. we haven't got the growth. we haven't got the growth of china. we haven't got the growth of a lot of countries. and the idea that we give our way our money from the times when we were successful. right. it's preposterous. now, the argument that's given against this, as long as we keep paying the money to these people, they won't invade us effectively. that's what they're saying. they won't . what they're saying. they won't. they won't come to our country. actually, i don't buy that . i actually, i don't buy that. i think that actually giving them the money is a complete waste of time. it's a nice thing to do.

if we were doing well now, you might argue that because we're the sixth richest nation on earth, we should have some largesse. i'm not wholly against that. but just to stand up there, grandstanding in front of a load of a load of other countries who will turn around and say, well, hold on a second, mate. 84 million is neither here nor there. why are you saying all this? starmer is actually doing something quite clever, which tom referred to before he came, before we came on air, which is actually he's beginning to fight the second election rather than than the one he's just won. and i want to just pick you up as well. >> you mentioned, you know, the applauding of scrapping rwanda, and i'm sure i saw you nodding your head in agreement. i think it's absolutely absurd that this deterrent that we've spent an absolute small fortune on has been scrapped on day one to me, almost as some kind of symbolic, look at us. high five. everyone we're different to the tories. that's why i feel that. that's been scrapped. i don't share this notion that you think it's kind of, like a ridiculous kind

of almost like a fantasy strategy. and i just wonder when people applaud the scrapping of the rwanda plan, how do you know it wouldn't have been an effective deterrent ? effective deterrent? >> because cross—channel boats are up 12% on last year. the legislation on rwanda went through parliament. there was all the grandstanding by it hadnt all the grandstanding by it hadn't happened. had it before the it hadn't been enacted. but people were clutching at straws. i remember talking about even, for example, people going across, to ireland and that was some, some sort of deterrent because of the rwanda scheme. then, if that's all, they're all waiting for a labour government. >> that's true, that's true. there's no it's true that people were choosing to go to ireland and they were citing the rwanda plans as a deterrent. so my question to you is you're all applauding the ripping up of this policy , which we've spent this policy, which we've spent millions upon millions on. why didn't it have, you know, we spent all this money we've got this far. why don't we see it through? why don't we see what happens and then see whether or

not it's a deterrent? it didn't happen. so how do you know it wasn't an effective deterrent? >> well, this is all a hypothetical now because we've had the election. that argument was had. and no, but you're applauding the ripping up of it. >> i am, i'm applauding. i'm asking you, how do you know it wasn't planned to be an effective deterrent, that for a scheme that maximum was going to deport around, what, 0.5% of the numbers that come across on current numbers across the channel? >> but that's statistic £150,000 according to the national audit office. that's not the way to do, but that's policy or international. well it i mean it's a hypothetical, i'll give you that. but the point is that argument is lost. we've had the election. what i think we're seeing today as part of this european political community is britain on the world stage. >> you're not answering my question. you're just saying to me, the argument's lost. the decision's been made. you and i share the same objective. >> we want to see these boats as indeed, i think the majority of british people do stop across the channel the issue is, how do you achieve that? rwanda's been and gone more cabinet ministers. >> it hasn't been uncommon . >> it hasn't been uncommon. >> it hasn't been uncommon. >> well, the scheme has been gone. it's the edge. >> and then it was scrapped.

yeah. >> it's been scrapped because we had an election that's called democracy. but what we've got now voted for. >> but anyway. >> but anyway. >> but anyway. >> but what we've got now, michel, is this opportunity in part with things like this aid package to africa. but for me, the real prize. and i do hope this is the discussion with president macron as we speak at blenheim palace, is to get the french to agree that any body that gets escorted currently to the 12 mile line in the channel by the french coast guard, is taken straight back to calais and that their claim for asylum. at what cost? well, i think the cost will be as having to opt in to some kind of eu wide migration pact, which, as i say, if it's based on the quota system that those other eu countries have agreed it's 29,000 asylum seekers, which we would process before they arrived. i mean, at the moment you look at the profile of the boats that are coming over the majority of them are young men. how many families are coming across the channel fleeing war and persecution ? what i'd like and persecution? what i'd like to see is a proper scheme whereby we take people we know who's coming in advance, one of the other announcements today, according to the times, is we're

opting into the eu's fingerprinting database. that means when people do arrive, these migrants do arrive in doven these migrants do arrive in dover. we know who they are and we don't have to go through the pi'ocess. >> process. >> i think one of the problems i think that's common sense pragmatism. >> calvin. and for a change, i actually see you nodding along. >> a lot of i yeah, i was actually i was actually deceiving you. >> actually, i should have been shaking my head, but i just decided to fool you into believing that i agree with you. i think the issue on rwanda is it wasn't it wasn't a big enough. it wasn't a big enough win for us. right. so that's why i was i wasn't totally hostile to it. i quite liked the pr of it. it was quite expensive, but i didn't honestly believe it would work. so i agree with farage in that respect, but one of the problems that i do see is with 30,000. we say 2020, 40,000 coming in every year. the problem will not go away because how many more are coming in on, on, on trucks and various other forms of deception? who can

tell? so actually, even although i thought farage would be damaged by any kind of returning the boats deal, actually there will still be a problem 40,000 a yeah will still be a problem 40,000 a year. why can't we just do the following ? why don't we just following? why don't we just have visas like they do in the middle east? for people who want work here, there. >> you guys fixed it. you see, in a nanosecond kelvin, for prime minister, some people will be saying with their fingers crossed behind their backs, lock park lane, if you've ever played monopoly, you'll know that that's one of the most expensive squares on the board, one of the most prestigious london addresses. you won't believe how it currently looks. i'll show you two.

hi there. i'm michelle drew brit school 7:00. the former editor of the sun, kelvin mackenzie, is alongside me as the visiting professor of education at the university of staffordshire. tom berwick. good afternoon and good

evening, actually, to each and every one of you. listen, i was driving along as you do, well, actually, just before many ill say. what are you doing? filming if you're driving? i was in a taxi, actually, earlier on this week, and something caught my eye, and i filmed it. and look, here we go. i put it on the screen and i put it on. social media went somewhat viral. over 5 million people have seen this tweet. now the graphic that i'm showing you or the video i'm showing you or the video i'm showing to you, this is the central carriageway on park lane in london. very expensive, address probably one of the most prestigious, quite frankly. and it's now become what i'm going to bluntly describe as some kind of tent city, so many tents there have popped up. it's got like a whole kind of community thing going on. i was absolutely shocked when i saw this, kelvin mackenzie, what do you think to this? i mean, this is not good to have this kind of set up in modern day britain. people living on in tents, on sides of busy roads. >> it's no, it's a it's a

disgrace. and what, what worries me about it is why does it take your tweet to focus on something which must have been obvious even to mayor khan? even to the owners of the land transport for london. why they own that piece of land in the middle of park lane is totally beyond me. and also beyond, the westminster council, who are actually in charge of keeping that place clear. and who are these people? this is the next question. i think you've been there, haven't you? >> yes. well, i know the answer to that because i went over to the camp, to talk to people. when i was there, there was only a couple of people there, and i asked them their stories, and they told me that they're from, romania and bulgaria. they told me that there's about 50 of them residing there, that there were not family, but they were friends, i asked what they were doing there, and they said that they were homeless , i was they were homeless, i was chatting away to them and i asked about working, getting

jobs, etc. they said that they didn't have any paperwork. i asked them, do you want to tell me your story? we can try and raise a spotlight. we can try and get you some help or support. and then i've got to say, the person that i was speaking to, which is i think the person on the screen now got incredibly aggressive towards me the second i mentioned filming, trying to share the story, i was really met with a huge amount of, abuse, you know, vitriol , of, abuse, you know, vitriol, aggression, whatever you want to determine it to be. and then off they went. they would not consent to being filmed at all, when i was speaking to them, first thing. >> michel, i mean, i just think >> michel, i mean, ijust think this is a awful humanitarian crisis on our streets that you just don't expect to see in the sixth largest economy in the world. i mean, these pictures, frankly, you used to see these in the global south or even now on sadly, some of our american cities, like los angeles, it's a real failing, i think, in

housing policy, we have this antiquated housing law that, for example , if you're in a family, example, if you're in a family, you will be housed in temporary accommodation if you fall on hard times, if you're homeless, if you're single and male, then you have no recourse to any housing support whatsoever. what i find really disappointing about these pictures, and generally, actually, when you look at the numbers now that are rough sleeping just in london alone, it's over 1000 people a night. according to the charity crisis. that's a 27% increase just on last year. so this is a thing that's not going away. it's getting worse. and do you remember during the pandemic, rough sleeping was ended when we had the lockdowns . so we seem to had the lockdowns. so we seem to have the means of accommodating people, doing the outreach, getting them into supported housing. why have we got one of the most expensive streets? >> i don't consider i the most expensive streets? >> i don't consideri don't >> i don't consider i don't consider it part of my taxpayer dollar should be going to helping romanians, hungarians and various other people which sound as though they're from eastern europe. why don't we?

why don't we do i mean, we've got starmer on there saying, i'm going to smash the gangs. i'm going to smash the gangs. i'm going to smash the gangs. i'm going to stop these people coming here. you can't even stop people coming from from eastern europe. why don't we return them? why don't we just collect them? why don't we just collect the lot up, say, what is your nationality? go back and just send a truck and send them back again. i, you know , we won't, again. i, you know, we won't, you know. starmer says smash something. we've got a mayor who doesn't say anything about it. and were it not for michelle, nobody would know anything about this story, would they? nobody. and yet 5 million people have are now alerted to the problem. so what are we going to do about it? i am not going to spend my taxpayer dollar actually putting up single men from eastern europe in my country. i don't want them here in the first place, and they shouldn't be here in the second place. >> what i find very odd, because i'm very passionate. i don't believe anyone should be sleeping on the streets. and i found it incredibly sad, and i do. i do talk to a lot of homeless people, actually, and try and help where i can. and when you hear some of the stories, they are tragic.

there's so many british people that have fallen on hard times. and i always say, you know, we're just all of us, really. we're just a paycheque or two away from our circumstances changing. but you know, notwithstanding any of that, i do find it quite peculiar that you can choose to go to a different city with no means seemingly of supporting yourself, and that no one seems to have ownership of this problem because i got in touch with the mp that's responsible for this location. she said that she wasn't in a position to be able to comment. i got in touch with the council. they basically said that it was the responsibility of tfl, which is transport for london. and then they went on to say that they spent £7 million a year trying to help rough sleeping. i then got in touch with tfl , and we got in touch with tfl, and we asked them, you know, what's the situation with these people, but they said that no one should be faced with sleeping rough and that we will continue to work with our partners, including westminster city council, etc, etc, to help safeguard those sleeping rough. so i just find it very odd there's so much buck passing there when i ask these people, they said that they'd

been there for months on end and i asked them, do the police come along? and they said, no, they just leave us alone, basically. so it's a very peculiar scenario and there's no one, that's kind of doing well out of this. the people i don't know whether or not they want to be there. no one seems to want to fix the situation . so what is the answer situation. so what is the answer to it? perhaps you've got that answer at home. get in touch with me and let me know your thoughts on that. lots. i want to talk to you about. before we finish the programme, i want to ask about parental control. do you think the state is overreaching when it comes to some of those? and also, as well, would you be inclined to join the police? your

hello there. i'm michelle dewberry all seven. kelvin mackenzie and tom bewick remain alongside me . now, as a parent, alongside me. now, as a parent, i've got to confess, i do actually believe that the

responsibility of parenting my child lays squarely and exclusively with me. but i can't help but feel that there are certain things happening at the moment which feels to me that somehow the state seemed to feel that they are responsible for parenting children. there's many examples of this that pop up. there's some close to home here, so now for example, children, one of the policies now we're going to have supervised toothbrushing in schools. we're going to be making sure that children have their meals in school, for example, breakfast. i saw a story in california, and people will say that they're completely different. but to me the premise is the same. elon musk was tweeting out that there's been this new bill, written into law in california, which is basically saying that if a child changes their pronouns at school, you're not allowed to tell the parents. elon musk has said, you know, that's the final straw. he's going to remove his headquarters of his businesses and go to different places . yeah. this different places. yeah. this nofion different places. yeah. this notion of where parenting stops

and the state begins. do you feel it's getting blurred, kelvin. >> yeah, and i have no idea why why they would want to do it. so they're going to introduce free school meal, a free breakfast for everybody. right. what a ridiculous idea. how much is that going to cost. and why are those that can afford it. why why why on earth. which is we'll say 60, 70, 80% of the i don't know how many, what percentage of families are struggling for breakfast and they are struggling for breakfast then than the money that benefit money is going in a very odd place in that household, more likely down the betting shop. so why are we having to fund all ization there? >> well, it's going somewhere. >> well, it's going somewhere. >> it's going on. alcohol betting is certainly not going on food. the idea that parents aren't making a priority of with their benefit money, of feeding their benefit money, of feeding their own children, is an absolute disgrace. and anybody who comes on any parent comes on saying, i'm so skint. i can't give my son, you know, coco pops before he goes to school is

absolutely telling pork pies. >> well, it's taken till the fourth segment for the blood pressure tablets to finally come out for kelvin mackenzie with their working red top rage. yeah, look on the early years breakfast. it's absolutely right, kelvin, that we make sure all of our kids in a universal way are, you know, get one decent meal a day, which is, i think all the scientists agree is probably the most important meal of the day. and look, as someone that, you know, grew up in care and someone that was eligible for free school meals, i still remember the stigma. you know, when the things like milk used to be universal in primary schools and then it was means tested. you knew the kids who were from the poor home because they had the means tested milk, and those that didn't. they had the means tested milk, and those that didn't . so, look, and those that didn't. so, look, you know, i think it's the least we can do as a civilised country to make sure all of our children get off to a good start at school. >> but i'm talking about i'm not saying that if your skin i'm not saying that if your skin i'm not saying if your skin, i'm saying what happens if you can afford

it? >> you've got a mortgage, you've got a car, you've got. >> this means testing versus universal. but just on the key point about state planning, i think we've overreacted to this story. i remember also growing up, we had things like the green cross code. we had, you know, again, all sorts of public information campaigns. this is just, i think, responsible government making sure that parenting and all of our kids get the best. >> but isn't that a slippery slope, though? because what's after. so we're going to do supervised toothbrushing. we're going to do, provided and supervised eating. what's going to be next? >> i think it's all about ensuring that all of our kids get the best possible start in life. michelle, i don't think there's anything sinister about that. what is more troubling, in my view, is what's going on in california , where some idea california, where some idea that, you know, how can you be responsible for a minor as a parent if the school won't tell you what's going on? see that's california story really did raise my eyebrows, i can tell you. >> let's hope nothing like that does come to this country, you know? and of course, i want all children, by the way, just to be cared for. i want them all to be loved and looked after. but perhaps what we also need

instead of in addition perhaps to caring for all these children, maybe we need to start educating people how to be better parents. maybe there is an idea. you can have that one for free. keir starmer. i'm off. i'll see you tomorrow. nigel farage up next, nanites. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on gb news >> hello. very good evening to you. here's your latest gb news weather update coming to you from the met office. there could be some heavy, possibly even thundery rain this weekend, but before then a lot of fine and hot weather are around. that being said, there is a weather system affecting parts of scotland and northern ireland through the end of today, bringing a bit more cloud and some outbreaks of rain here, though the rain will be easing overnight so turning mostly dry. meanwhile, across the bulk of england and wales, it's a dry night with largely clear skies, albeit a few pockets of fog. a bit more cloud , perhaps towards bit more cloud, perhaps towards western parts, temperatures not dropping a huge amount. a bit

difficult for sleeping for some of us. some places holding up in the high teens. celsius though a little bit cooler towards the north—west and then tomorrow it is going to be a hot day for many of us, particularly in the south and starting off looking first thing, a fine picture . first thing, a fine picture. lots of sunshine through the morning and once the sun comes up, those temperatures will quickly start to rise a bit further north it's looking cloudier, not as cloudy as today and there may be a bit of rain around over higher ground, but on the whole it's a dry start to the day as well. there may even be some sunshine breaking through, particularly towards the moray coast and northern parts of aberdeenshire as well. but as we go through the day, i'm expecting a bit of rain to start to push its way in towards the outer hebrides and some blustery winds developing here. elsewhere largely dry. 1 or 2 showers perhaps, but the general theme will be that there's plenty of sunshine around , plenty of sunshine around, especially across england and wales. and with that, even hotter than today, temperatures rising into the low 30 celsius towards the south—east and the mid to high 20s across many

other areas. some further wet weather then, is going to push its way in across parts of scotland and northern ireland as we go into saturday. perhaps some of that rain reaching into western parts of england and wales as well. further east it's staying drier and here we should still have some hot weather for a time, but there is the potential for some thunderstorms to develop on saturday night. then sunday is looking a bit changeable with things turning cooler by next week. >> looks like things are heating up. boxt boilers sponsors of weather on gb

>> i'm joining you live from milwaukee. we're looking forward to donald trump's speech, which will come on the stage behind me later tonight. and all this going on at the same time as

speculation. beau biden just is not going to be the democrat candidate. we'll talk about that. we'll also talk about blenheim palace today, the european political community are meeting. is the new labour government taking us closer back towards the european union. and liz truss will join me and we'll talk about her complaint about the king's speech plus the financial conduct authority saying that banks should not treat political figures. so badly. gosh. who knew? but before all of that , let's get before all of that, let's get the news with polly middlehurst . the news with polly middlehurst. >> nigel, thank you and good evening to you. well, the top story from the gb newsroom tonight is that sir keir starmer has announced £84 million worth of new funding to tackle illegal migration as he hosts an eu summit at blenheim palace today. the prime minister says he wants to reset the relationship with the continent and push for closer security ties with other countries. the groups agreed to boost defence capabilities in

ukraine as well as