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will keep you up to date mob. we will keep you up to date with the very latest. also, uk border force save migrants in french waters . what are we french waters. what are we paying french waters. what are we paying the french for.7 plus . paying the french for.7 plus. flip flop asylum seeker. rolex rippers have avoided jail and so has this jordanian asylum seeker as well. after he assaulted a police officer. the reason will shock you. >> also stop illegal migration. we must also tackle it at soui’ce. >> source. >> would sir keir starmer be right to sign us up to an eu migrant deal? >> and where is decisive reform needed? more urgently than in the case of our planning system ? the case of our planning system? >> there are serious concerns about whether or not brits will be at the back of the queue when it comes to new homes under laboun it comes to new homes under labour, plus up like big mistake. >> not a hang about animal farmers on brookside take next
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time. >> the strictly come dancing scandal steps up a notch . we scandal steps up a notch. we speak to a former strictly contestant who has some very controversial views on this, and he's strong enough older than trump to have gotten something that used to really be fatal to people. >> his age. >> his age. >> president biden's got covid, and apparently that's the same as being shot. is he on the bnnk as being shot. is he on the brink of standing down on my panel tonight? is gb news star nana akua. we've got tory peer lord bailey, an ex labour party adviser. matthew laza o lord bailey, an ex labour party adviser. matthew laza 0 under emily maitlis is copping it over this nigel interview. >> and is that the sense you've got that he's having a tough time right now. >> he nearly died . >> he nearly died. >> he nearly died. >> do you think he's having a tough time right now? >> he nearly died. >> he nearly died. >> oh, it's the awkward silence for me anyway. get ready. britain here we go.
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why do asylum seekers keep avoiding jail? next. >> just after 9:00. i'm polly middlehurst with the latest gb news. and in leeds, as you've been watching a police car has been watching a police car has been overturned tonight and its windows smashed as a large crowd gathered to register their protest . west yorkshire police protest. west yorkshire police have confirmed there is an ongoing public disturbance involving they say, some agency workers and some children . workers and some children. police are saying more people started to gather at the location in harehills and a decision was made by the constabulary to remove the agency workers and the children to a safe place. and as the crowd started to get more in number, more officers were drafted in where more pockets of disorder were flaring up. road closures are in place, police are telling us, and they're advising people to avoid the area. no reported injuries at
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this stage, but we do know that leeds city councillor salma arif has given an update on social media about the ongoing situation. here's what they said. salma arif i'm here with. >> hello, my name is inspector eddie nicholls. i'm the east leeds neighbourhood policing inspector and there is an ongoing situation currently in harehills. >> we're aware of that. the police is here and we are asking everybody in the area to please stay at home at this moment in time. >> yeah. so if you can all just stay, stay where you are, stay in your houses, >> we will manage this. and if you're out in the crowd, if i could just ask you to go home, please, so we can keep everybody safe. thank you. >> and we will endeavour to keep local residents involved. informed. thank you. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> city councillor salma arif there with a police officer attempting to calm, tempers in leeds this evening . now, in leeds this evening. now, in other news, sir keir starmer has announced £84 million worth of new funding to tackle illegal migration as he hosted an eu political summit at blenheim
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palace. today, the prime minister says he wants to reset our relationship with europe and push for closer security ties with other countries. the group agreed on boosting ukraine's defence capability in its war against russia, and that comes as the milestone of more than 15,000 small boat migrants have been counted, crossing the engush been counted, crossing the english channel so far this yean english channel so far this year, 315 illegal migrants, making it today as calm sea conditions allowed more crossings. it follows the death of one person and 71 people being rescued last night after a migrant boat sank in the english channel late last night. all those on board the vessel ended up in the water, but were picked up in the water, but were picked up in the water, but were picked up in a joint rescue operation organised between the uk and french authorities . now five french authorities. now five just stop oil protesters, including one of its co—founders, were jailed today for conspiring to organise protests that blocked the m25, causing massive disruption for
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motorists back in 2022. roger hallam, daniel schorr, louise lancaster , lucia whittaker, lancaster, lucia whittaker, debra and cressida gethin organised 45 protesters to climb onto gantries over the motorway for four successive days back in november. 22 prosecutors alleged the protest cost the metropolitan police over £1 million and caused more than £50,000 worth hours worth of vehicle delays for drivers. hallam was sentenced to five years imprisonment, while the remaining four defendants were each handed four years. the judge in the case said the five had crossed the line from concerned campaigners to fanatics . those are the latest fanatics. those are the latest gb news headlines for now. i'm polly middlehurst. i'm back in an hour. see you then for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code, or go to gbnews.com forward slash alerts .
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slash alerts. >> welcome along. now i want to bnng >> welcome along. now i want to bring to light two astonishing cases of asylum seekers avoiding prison. firstly, the rolex rippers as they're infamously known, a case which saw two asylum seekers going around london robbing watches from people algerian amin abdelkader and egyptian yousef sharaf. cornered an innocent man, covered his mouth and ripped his watch off his hand. well you'd imagine a violent robbery like that would command a prison sentence. but not in lawless britain. no. the two asylum seekers were let off with community service elsewhere in bournemouth. an asylum seeker who was found guilty of assaulting a female police officer after drunkenly pestering female joggers , was pestering female joggers, was let off with a slap on the wrist. so jordanian national mustafa al beau biden was originally going to be given community service. but get this, the judge decided to not make
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him do that because he doesn't speak english and he'd need a full time interpreter. and apparently that might cause some kind of health and safety risk. instead, he's been fined £26, which you'll have to pay back at the rate of £2 a month. apparently for the past four months, he's been staying at the roundhouse hotel , which months, he's been staying at the roundhouse hotel, which has a home office contract to house asylum seekers while their applications are processed. now, in each of these cases, there appears, as far as i'm aware anyway, to be no indication that anyway, to be no indication that any of them might be deported. i'd quite like to know whether or not labour will do anything to sort this kind of egregious soft justice out. let's get the thoughts to my panel, shall we? i've got gb news star presenter nana akua conservative peer lord bailey and ex labour party adviser matthew laza nana. there does appear to be incredibly soft justice here amongst all of these people. no questions as far as i can tell anyway, of any
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kind of deportation. do you think the labour party might do anything to, to get a grip of this? >> i mean, look, first of all, they're having a laugh really, aren't they. they are asylum seekers. they are coming here to this country to claim asylum because apparently they're being persecuted or fleeing some sort of persecution elsewhere. so the fact that they've here, they've committed crime, that's the end. you've committed a crime. you've come here for to seek asylum. you come to my house and you think you're going to mess it up. you think you're going to stay? i'll kick you out. that's it. there should be. no, there's no two ways about it. and this would put off any other asylum seekers for committing crime. will the labour party do anything about it? i don't know, i don't know. i'm not impressed with border command control. i think it's just a rehash of what we've already got. >> it also doesn't really exist at the moment. >> well, it's marketing isn't it? and how long is it going to take sir keir starmer to wrap all that up? it's going to take months, years. you're not going to get deals and negotiations and everything with all these things. and then the worst thing about this particular, these particular cases are they have been given sort of sentences
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that will hang later so that if they do are granted asylum now, they do are granted asylum now, they can't really work properly. no one will employ them. so now they become dependent on us. the taxpayer. i say chuck them out, send them, send them back. >> well, i'll come to you in a second. i'm keen to get your view on this because we are we are nosing this matthew, on whether or not we think labour will stop this kind of thing. will they? >> well, i hope so. and i think that, you know what we clearly needis that, you know what we clearly need is a joined up system. we need is a joined up system. we need a immigration system, an asylum system that works so people aren't sitting in hotels awaiting appeals for months after months. and we need an asylum system that talks to the justice system so that if somebody is found guilty in this case, frankly, i don't think we should be giving them a community order. we should be deporting them. and so we need a system that talks to each other. i mean, you know, we had there is an emphasis this week. yesterday, the new home secretary, yvette cooper, announced that, you know, we this ridiculous backlog will be her priority, that they're going to, you know, try and get those processed as quickly as possible because we can't be having people living in hotels and hanging around street corners. >> okay, sean, i mean, i suppose
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initially this has happened under a tory government. well, it has hasn't labour only been in power for about 15, 16 days or whatever it is but 13? yeah. there you go. but what are the what what should they be doing to stop this? i mean, can they i mean, the law as it currently stands is that as conceivably we can't send any of these people back anyway, can we? >> the law is capable of stopping this, but it's about the culture. and i want to come at a slightly different, different, different angle. this is what drives crime. the biggest single driver of crime is the idea that you'll get away with it. so if you grow up as a young person in a community, you see lots of crime. you see very little consequence. it becomes much more attractive. so you could be 100 miles away from this crime. think has got nothing to do with you, but it's affecting you in your community as well. and the other piece is this labour have made a big play about shortening sentences, deaung about shortening sentences, dealing with people in the community. let's be very clear, if they don't get on top of things like this, the public won't trust them and they won't be able to do what they want to do because they will lack public support. >> and i agree with you, sean. >> and i agree with you, sean. >> i do also wonder, though i
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mean this this really isn't just a political issue. i mean a judge in the case of the individual who's been residing individual who's been residing in bournemouth swallowed the line from the guy's lawyer who's earned his money, which presumably we're paying, by the way, but has earned. >> i think we can be pretty convinced about that, >> by by successfully arguing that this guy can't speak english, so would need a full time interpreter with him during community service and that that in some way poses some kind of health and safety risk. and the judge has just gone. yeah. all right. and i think well, that's a bit soft. i mean, that's not keir starmer. >> well no, but but but didn't he tell her the to lady f off as well. >> yeah. in england. >> yeah. in england. >> in england he knows. >> in england he knows. >> he knows two words at least. yes. >> but let's be clear. if you ever learn a foreign language, you learn the swear words first. >> yeah, but the bottom line is this. right? it's really simple. you are an asylum seeker. you've committed crime. what i would like to see from this labour government is that they get rid of people who have committed crime and are waiting for asylum. it's so straightforward. they don't need. i mean, you can have a very brief kwarteng system. if they want to appeal, then they need to pay. if you
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want to appeal something where you've come into somebody's country and you've committed a crime and you don't agree with the thing , then you need to the thing, then you need to appeal it. you pay for it. we're not paying for that. >> it feels slightly ungrateful. you're here at our goodwill, and then you then you then commit a crime against us. in that way, i think it's terrible. but to be fair, let's be clear. this is not the labour government's fault. no, no, but it is their responsibility to get on top. >> and as you say, sean, it's one it's a it's a big challenge to i mean, but it's the judiciary's fault because our legal system has ways of dealing with. >> you don't need to change the law. you don't need a politician. >> it's about how you apply it. >> it's about how you apply it. >> the legal fraternity should. >> the legal fraternity should. >> i mean, the two countries involved are interesting because obviously keir has put a lot of emphasis that he wants to get more returns agreement. both jordan and egypt, where tens of thousands in both cases of british holidaymakers will be going this summer. >> although you could make a similar case for rwanda, couldn't you, as well? exactly. >> yeah. i mean, yeah, absolutely. yes. >> but i mean you go back and there's no yeah, it doesn't need to take a labour or conservative or any government. it's quite clear you've come here, asylum seeker, you've broken the rules. you and there are countries
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where we can send people back to. >> that's my point. we need to get on top of this. what i really are desperate for us to do is separate asylum seekers, genuine asylum seekers from economic migrants. i don't know, but i don't recall either of these two countries being on the danger list of countries that you can't. >> no, i mean, you can make a case because by our standards, pretty much any other country in the world is, is more unstable and there's more chance of you being arrested. so, yeah, that's the legal that's part of the legal issue. the other aspect to this, which i don't think enough people are mentioning, is if you are a police officer and you go undercover and there was a very similar incident with with rolex rippers in london in the same area, actually, of london. not, you know, two dissimilar times from this where police officers went undercover, putting themselves in massive risk, flashing their own watches to get accosted by people so they could nick them , risking their could nick them, risking their own lives. i mean, those police officers would not want to do that for a community service, for the person who's done it. >> sean, surely i tell you what it does this this denigrates the work of the police. that is a very risky thing to do. and
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they'll have done it out of a sense of duty. they'll have wanted to do it. but we as a society, as a legal system, have to respect that level of endeavoun to respect that level of endeavour. if they're going to take that step, the least we could do is give people appropriate senses. and the key thing about not sending someone, giving someone a decent sentence because they can't speak english, you're setting a precedent. now, if i'm sat in a community and i think, hold on a minute, i don't speak good engush minute, i don't speak good english or at least pretend to not speak english. >> i mean, it's not a defence, is it? you can't speak the language. well, at least you can speak the language from where you come. you come. >> you come. >> hope we're only questions asked of how much english is spoken in the asylum application process. i don't think the two systems talk to each other. i think they're completely separated and we need joined up thinking because this is ridiculous , because, as you say, ridiculous, because, as you say, sean, appointing james thompson, the guy who believes in rehabilitating prisoners, and he's put his money where his mouth is with his company is a great thing. but unless you've got public confidence in the system, that's not going to work. >> it's too complicated. you're complicating it too much. i think it's really quite straightforward. you're an asylum seeker. you come to a country. it's not your country.
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you commit a crime, you forfeit your rights to asylum. that's the end of it. i don't understand what the problem is with what you're saying. >> i thought that was the rule. that should be the rule. >> i don't understand, but that's what i'd like to see the labour party doing. if they did that, i'd be happy. >> can i just ask you nana quickly on this one, which is, you know, another aspect of what this guy in bournemouth did, was that the reason it appears, why the police officer was present was because he was drunkenly approaching, we believe. anyway, i think female joggers. yeah. right. now that in itself is a problem. he also pleaded guilty to being drunk and disorderly. so it wasn't just the issue with with the female police officer that that is another issue here, which is, you know, the safety of women. >> well, that's right. and a lot of the countries where the people have come from, women are subservient in some of these countries. so, you know, you're deaung countries. so, you know, you're dealing now with a very different culture. and this guy was caught on camera doing that, and it was actually a camera operator who alerted the police to his behaviour. so, you know , to his behaviour. so, you know, i think it's a safety of women, of course. and the fact is that they don't even get punished properly. and then he can claim
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that he can't really speak the language properly. the reality is they need to be punished because otherwise there's no disincentive. this will just carry on. >> and the other thing as well, you then start to send the message that people from certain communities will get treated differently. well, that's the risk. and the one sterling thing we should always stand on in this country is that the law is the same for everybody. and if it isn't, our whole system falls down. >> all right, all right, guys. well, look, good stuff. thank you very much for that. we have got a heck of a lot on tonight. so coming up, tory mps want to go long in the to race replace rishi sunak. they could wait until october. yeah it's already divided this panel. but anyway are they letting labour off lightly. former armed forces minister james lightly. former armed forces ministerjames heappey is live shortly. but yes, there's a heck of a lot else on as well. it's kicking off in leeds. commercial row . oh i'll be bringing you the row. oh i'll be bringing you the very latest on what's going on there throughout the show. but first as sir keir starmer launches a charm offensive on eu leaders and says that he'll never leave the echr. should we be signed up now to an eu
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migrant deal? so content lead at the migration central site, charlie downs goes head to head with political commentator andy twelves. that should be spicy. see you in a sec.
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welcome back to patrick christys. tonight we're only on gb news now. coming up as
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reports say that the 1922 committee will go long in the tory leadership contest with a view to the conference in october, acting as a beauty contest. their words, not mine, is the parliamentary opposition giving labour a free pass for the rest of the year. but first, keir starmer offers to lead europe's fight against illegal immigration. should we be signed up to an eu migrant deal? it's time now for tonight's head to head. time now for tonight's head to head . well alongside promising head. well alongside promising eu leaders he will not allow britain to leave the echr. sir keir starmer has now also promised to lead europe's battle against migration at a summit in oxfordshire earlier today, aiming to secure a new deal with the eu on migration. diplomats expected starmer to use today's bilateral meeting with president macron to discuss a potential agreement to allow the uk to send back some small boat migrants in return for us accepting more asylum seekers from europe. he's also
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reportedly planning to fast track plans that would allow 90,000 illegal migrants earmarked for removal to rwanda, to instead claim asylum in the uk and today, gb news exclusively revealed that more than 15,000 migrants have now crossed the channel, since that can't be right, 1500 sorry, that would be. that would be a story, wouldn't it? 1500 migrants now crossed the channel since labour came to power a couple of weeks ago. tonight. i am asking should we be signed up to an eu migrant deal? let me know your thoughts. gb news .com forward slash yoursay or go to gb news on twitter and vote in our poll. but first going head to head on this hour charlie downes from the centre for migration control and the political commentator as well. andy, look, charlie, i'll start with you , should we be start with you, should we be signed up to an eu migrant quota deal? >> there's a number of interesting things happening here. i think now, in principle, personally, i think that sort of getting closer to europe is not an inherently bad thing. and i say that as somebody who has supported brexit in the past, however, europe, the trend is right. okay. the trend has moved. everyone in europe is
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moving, right, whether it's the afd in germany or the national rally in france. and so on. and, you know, a right wing european union and a right wing europe is actually something that i would be in favour of britain being closer to now, whether that will actually come to pass is yet to it remains to be seen . now, this it remains to be seen. now, this deal that keir starmer is sort of seeking to strike with european countries, i think is it just it's just obfuscating the problem actually as, as, as and this has happened a lot around the issue of illegal immigration in britain because it's not actually really solving the problem. now, of course, keir starmer has spoken about giving millions, tens of millions in aid money to countries where these illegal migrants are coming from to kind of cut the problem off at the source, which is not a terrible idea in principle, but actually, you know, because given how corrupt these countries are, it's probably just going to go in the back pockets of the people running them. so i don't know, i'm not enthused. >> so you basically just, you know, you're not massively convinced it will work. you look you mentioned that, the thing there about keir starmer giving tens of millions of pounds away to other countries, i do believe we have a little clip of that, actually, and i think we might
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as well just just hear from him now on it. >> stop illegal migration. we must also tackle it at source. so today i am announcing £84 million of new funding for projects across africa and the middle east. that includes humanitarian and health support, skills training, help with job opportunities and access to education. this is a vital part of gripping the migration crisis. >> all right, andy, that's foreign aid really, isn't it? and with respect, i think, you know, building a new school in eritrea is not going to stop the current influx of migrants that we've got across the channel, is it? >> well, i don't know about that, but i think, you know, rishi sunak over his year and a half as prime minister, he was going around, he was trying to stop the fires. he was trying to put out the fires. keir starmer is clearly saying that he's going to go and catch the arsonist. he's going to go to the source of the problem, and he's really going to try and,
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you know, bulk up the foreign aid and make sure that the foreign aid is going to the correct things to try and prevent people. you know, i don't know what the motivations are of those trying to cross the border illegally, but try and prevent any motivations that they might have. you know, it was i think it was 90,000 was the figure quoted of legal asylum seekers that they were willing to take, i think 90,000 legitimate asylum seekers would be far better if it gave us the right to turn around illegitimate people who were trying to cross our borders illegally. i would rather we be a safe place for 90,000 legitimate people than, you know , legitimate people than, you know, however many illegitimate people. >> the problem i think, amongst many other things, is that we could have a quota deal with the eu , but we are not in control of eu, but we are not in control of how the external eu borders are policed. so if there's another massive influx, we are then conceivably on the hook for a big part of that, you know, and also if people still come across the channel illegally as it currently stands in our law, we can't really deport them anyway. so it could be the worst of both worlds. >> yeah. well, there's a couple of things to say on that because for one, you know, a right wing
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eu, you could you could put your faith on them that they would police the borders properly. right. and that's why i say if that were the case, i'd be very much in favour of moving closer to europe. now, when it comes to the domestic side of this, i think something that's crucial to understand is where the tories had real trouble getting the civil service to actually do anything to actually follow orders. labour don't have that problem. it's as if they have the keys to the machine that makes the machine actually work, so they're not fighting tooth and nail at every single turn to actually get the most minor and bafic actually get the most minor and basic things done. now, the question is whether labour and keir starmer will use that power they have over the civil service to actually solve the problem, because the point is, if they wanted to, they could. >> okay, i do put it to you that the current problem that we've got at the moment with migrant hotels, which is costing us something like £8 million a day or whatever . yeah, okay. that or whatever. yeah, okay. that could, that could go away. but if we are then on the hook for an eu migrant quota , which and i an eu migrant quota, which and i know the estimates on this have varied. right. but the latest one has been between around 90 to 100,000 people, a year. right. so we are going to be expected to take those people. where on earth would they live ?
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where on earth would they live? >> well, i mean, you know, the nimbyism across whitehall has ended, you know, with keir starmer coming in, you know, i think nimbyism is now in. >> so i think we will be building. so we are building houses for asylum seekers . houses for asylum seekers. >> no, i think you know, the house building operations, you know, council houses have many, many potential occupants, whether it's british people or asylum seekers. realistically, if it is an asylum seeker, how long will they be here? they'll only be here for a temporary amount of time. that house will still be there. do we know that for sure, though? >> because a lot of people stay well by the definition of asylum seekers. >> they will. most of them will be going back once the crisis is oven be going back once the crisis is over. yeah, but it's going to be something that's enforced by the government. >> or is that something that's going to happen naturally? because i don't i'm not confident that that would happen without some sort of legislation essentially forcing it to happen. you know, i do hope that yvette cooper would ring me up and bring me into our advisory team, but unfortunately, i'm not privy to those discussions. >> but i would like to believe that someone with the kind of tenacity of yvette cooper is actually, you know, has come into the home office syria, though. no, but she's come into the home office. you know, the
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small boats chief has resigned last week, i think it was. so there'll be new blood into the departments that will be dealing with this. i am confident that the labour government will deal with this appropriately. you know, they've opened the conversations with the eu, with the meeting with president macron today. if we have a hard quota, then it won't be able to go past that and it will enable us to have certain privileges that we don't. >> now, this is the thing, by the way. i mean, keir starmer has said at this summit that he's been to that he's very much a pragmatic politician. he's interested in what works. and i love that kind of rhetoric. that's very that's very, you know, very much the attitude i want to see our politicians have. however, i still don't believe, i don't have the faith that that man or his administration will actually get anything done. >> there just appears to me, andy, that there's too much of this is out of our control. the influx of people into continental europe, how many people we are then on the hook to take here? i mean, even today we saw it's quite bizarre incident. from what we can gather, it all took place in the channel gather, it all took place in the channel, which was some kind of life threatening incidents. this is just as we understand it is confusion about this, but some life threatening incident on a small boat that was closed deep in french waters. we have then sent a vessel to go and help deal with that and then taking them back to france. it reveals
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two things, which is that firstly, apparently that's never been done before. secondly, supposedly the french have done us a favour because under the current rules, we still should have had to once we've picked them up, we should have still had to brought them to britain. the other thing is, why on earth we've been paying the french for? we're going deep into their waters to go and pick these people up, and we should have picked them up. obviously, if it's life and death situation. but what more waste of money, isn't it? plus the 80 odd million cares giving away to parts of the third world? i mean, you know, 80 million in terms of foreign aid. >> that's a drop in the ocean like, i know it sounds big, but in the big scheme of things, that's not a large amount of money when it comes to foreign aid or, you know, aid development packages. you know, with france, i, i don't think anyone in their right mind would go the people who could help shouldn't help. you know, if those people are going to die in the ocean, we should go and help. >> well, if keir starmer. yeah, yeah, fine. yeah. but if keir starmer signs us up genuinely to. and if towards the next few weeks we are signed up to an eu migrant quota deal, do you not think that's going to play incredibly badly with the british public? >> no, i don't think so at all.
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you know, you were complaining. we don't have control about who comes into the eu. we don't have control over the continental borders. well, this would give us a seat at the table without rejoining the eu. this would give us the privileges that we do want. i know you've spoken about right wing eu. >> just final word on this. then as it currently stands, the eu as it currently stands, keir starmer signs us up to an eu migrant deal. does he go down in the polls? >> well, if the last 20 years are anything to go by when it comes to how the eu deals with illegal migration and legal migration by the way, it's going to be pretty disastrous, i would say. >> well, we're going to have to watch this space, aren't we, really? we'll have to wait and see. we'll have to wait and see. chaps, thank you very much. really enjoyed that. right. who do you agree with? i think i might be able to guess, but should we be signed up to an eu migrant deal, spade says the boats will still come as well. on top of our eu migrant quota. isuppose on top of our eu migrant quota. i suppose that's the fear, isn't it? cluff on x also says, looks like there will be no choice where starmer and cooper are concerned. they'll mess the country up whatever they do, right? not huge amounts of shades of grey in the inbox there. but your verdict is, in 10% of you think that we should be signed up to an eu migrant deal be signed up to an eu migrant deal, 90% of you say we should.
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it coming up as the strictly come dancing storm continues to worsen, could the hit bbc dance show now be too damaged to be saved? political heavyweights and former strictly contestant ann widdecombe gives her. expert or not. she's got some quite controversial views on that, actually. but later in the show we're also going to be having a more detailed look at this mayhem that is erupting in leeds. yeah, former policeman and gb news regular norman brennan is going to join us later on that at next, though the 1922 committee, the tory backbenchers, they apparently want to go long in this leadership contest. the concern will be that by having a beauty contest of potential tory leaders in october, well, do we have an opposition? until october? and is that bad for britain? former tory minister james hepi gives his take and that's next. stay tuned. what
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yeah. welcome back to patrick christys. tonight on gb news coming up, will labour's housebuilding plans paired with their asylum seeker amnesty, see migrants put ahead of brits for social housing? it's a big topic this. we'll talk about it later. but first. well, it seems like rishi sunak won't be heading to the backbenches for a while yet because the 1922 committee, now led by bob blackman , want the led by bob blackman, want the party to, quote, go long in electing a new leader. so the sun's political editor harry
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cole reported last night that mps believe the conference should be a beauty parade before mps whittle to down two, and then a postal vote of members in october. well, i mean, will rishi actually want to hang around that long? here's what shadow defence secretary james cartlidge told gb news this morning the view of colleagues is to take our time over this. >> i appreciate that there will be those who would think, well, we want a new leader of the opposition in place. i take the view and i think most of my colleagues do that. we want to take our time, make sure we make the right decision, that we fully, you know, analyse what happenedin fully, you know, analyse what happened in the election. we engage with the public again, and of course then choose a leader who sets out a positive direction for the party so that we can be a real constructive alternative to labour. >> all right. i'm joined now by former armed forces minister james heappey. james, great to have you on the show. thank you very much. i do put it to you that it's all very well and good waiting to have a beauty contest in october. but in the meantime we've got an eu migrant deal building on the green belt. nationalised railways , new union nationalised railways, new union laws, more foreign aid. i mean,
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is there any opposition? >> well, yes . >> well, yes. >> well, yes. >> and there's some pretty experienced pros still in place in the briefs that six weeks ago they held as secretaries of state and that's quite formidable. if you're a new minister and the person on the other side of the despatch box knows more about your department's budget and the issues facing your budget than you do, that is quite intimidating . so, yes, of course intimidating. so, yes, of course there's opposition. there's opposition across the shadow cabinet. >> i absolutely agree, though , >> i absolutely agree, though, with colleagues who are still in parliament that this should go long. >> and patrick, i know that you will probably never make mistakes , but, i reckon all of mistakes, but, i reckon all of us make bad choices when on the rebound, >> and i think just sort of, cool heads. >> and, taking our time to work out what we really want next is no bad thing. >> i don't know who you've been talking to about, but. yes. no. i think the public. and look,
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people in the media, let's be honest. we want action, okay? we do want action. but going long is something is vital then that you get that right, isn't it? if you get that right, isn't it? if you wait and wait and wait, you've got to then get it right. so come on, who's your money on? >> cleverly . >> cleverly. >> cleverly. >> well that was easy. okay. all right. why why? because people might be able to point out the fact that, you know, he didn't necessarily do that much as home secretary, did. he >> because i think that. what, what people will be looking for is a shadow secretary of state. >> that. sorry a leader of the opposition, a leader of the party that will, have the best chance of uniting the tory tribes. >> that's a really important part of what's to come. i also think that the person who you choose as leader of the opposition at this point, and it may be that this is not the person who takes us back into government, >> but you've got to be you're like a submarine.
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>> you can, you know, when you're against the majority of the size that labour has, there will be weeks and weeks and weeks when, frankly, the opposition are pretty irrelevant, but every now and then the government will be getting it very wrong indeed. and what you've got to have at that moment is someone who, when they surface and they launch, they surface and they launch, they hit their target, so you need a really good communicator more than anything else, frankly, because the public are pretty annoyed at my party. nothing changes just because we've had our backsides handed to us in an election. they're still really angry at the way we've conducted ourselves in government. so the idea that all of a sudden you get a new leader, you get a new hearing every what the slate is wiped clean. that's a nonsense. you just got to pick your fights . just got to pick your fights. and when you pick your fights, do it. >> well, the other couple just just quickly on this before we move on to another topic. but the other couple that have used your submarine analogy surfaced recently. i've been pretty patel and tom tugendhat and you're
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ruling them out, are you? >> well, i mean, all both have their merits. tom is a very , their merits. tom is a very, very talented guy, and i think he's got a really interesting policy platform. i just, i just can't see tom cutting it with our members at this point. pretty absolutely would cut it with our members. and she it could well be that this is a kind of essex play off between cleverly and pretty, the person whose campaign is doa is suella. i just think she's not played the last two weeks particularly well, and it doesn't feel like there's tons of traction for her. and then there's kemi, who is an incredibly able politician. i just wonder if she's a little divisive when the when the zeitgeist is reuniting the tory tribes and, well , the tory tribes and, well, advancing as a single force again. >> we'll see. now border force has taken some migrants rescued from the channel back to france for the first time, apparently
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in what some are calling a new sign of anglo—french cooperation. i think we just need to hold our horses on that one, though, because the catamaran ranger assisted in the rescue of more than 70 migrants. quotes deep in french waters at the request of french authorities. and we took 13 of them, apparently back to calais. all right, so this is in line with policy , supposedly. but i with policy, supposedly. but i mean, i do i do put it to you, what are we paying the french for ? for? >> so you're testing how much of my knowledge of the saving life at sea convention i can remember? i'm not sure there's anything particularly exceptional about what happened today in terms of international treaty. all mariners have an obugafion treaty. all mariners have an obligation if they are the nearest ship to respond to a vessel in distress. so if a border force vessel was the nearest and that that vessel was in british waters, but the vessel in distress was in french. so lass requires that the british vessel enters french
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waters to offer the life saving aid. and i think, patrick, i'm right in saying that at that point, the obligation is to take the people to the nearest point of safety on land . so which of safety on land. so which would have been france. so the sort of circumstances are exceptional. i don't think any anything particularly new happenedin anything particularly new happened in terms of policy or law. but look, i, there was a time when the latest whiz idea in government was that the mod would take over running the channel would take over running the channel, not the home office and border force. and as af, it quickly fell to me to operationalise the thing in the channel. it always struck me that it does not matter how well surveilled the channel is, how many boats you've got on the uk side waiting to scoop people up. what you know, what matters is control of the far bank and therefore principally tackling immigration is a foreign policy
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issue, not just a security issue. and so if there is some sort of rapprochement with paris through the new government, that's blooming annoying, that they wouldn't have talked to us in that way, but it may actually be a good thing. >> this is it, right? it could be just a really, really annoying thing that this could have been sorted a while ago, but i suppose as long as it gets sorted, then you know, there we go. look, i've just about got time now for a developing story this evening that might shock you. a huge gang of thugs in hare hill in leeds have been videoed smashing up a police car, turning it over. we can take a little look at this now. we're going to be playing some of the videos over the course of this show, because there is quite a lot more coming in to us. it does very much appear that this incident is ongoing. west yorkshire police have said that officers attended. they found an ongoing disturbance which involved some agency workers, some children as well. more people started to attend
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the location. a decision was made to remove the agency workers and the children to a safe place. a crowd then started to gather. more officers were requested to attend the area. they said there's been pockets of disorder occurring and that more officers are being deployed. they go on to say about, you know, no injuries, have been reported. enquiries are ongoing, well, in the last few moments, unconfirmed reports suggest that fires have now started to be lit as well. footage surfacing on tiktok and twitter shows three men running with a silver fridge freezer, throwing it onto a fire in the middle of the road. look, jason, my overarching point to you is when we await the exact specifics and i don't really want to speculate on on the case itself, what we are seeing and what is unequivocal is massive civil disobedience taking place in leeds . what are the police in leeds. what are the police need to do here? >> well, i think, you know, robust policing is the necessity. i you know, you're absolutely right. i thought you're about to do that wonderful journalistic thing of saying you're not going to speculate, but invite me to speculate, but invite me to speculate instead. you didn't, i think that, you know, we've seen
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a lot of protests over the last yearin a lot of protests over the last year in this country. admittedly not always stuff as obviously violent as that. but there is this sense that people can kind of behave, however they want in pubuc of behave, however they want in public spaces, and the police invariably don't police it, particularly robustly. and i wish the new government every success, all power, if they are able to persuade chief constables to police, public order in a way that restores deterrence and places an emphasis back on the public to behave themselves. >> all right, james, look, thank thank you very much. and i imagine that when people see situations like this and they were in your position, maybe you're quite grateful that this stuff is now labour's problem. right? but james heale be there. thank you very much. i will see you soon. coming up, will labour's mega house building plans not to mention their amnesty for asylum seekers, result in migrants being prioritised over brits for
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social housing. it's an important topic. i want to know as well what's going on here. yeah, more on that . more yeah, more on that. more concerning clips are coming through to us that mayhem in leeds. but next, with a third dancer now under investigation in the strictly come dancing scandal, how much longer can the beleaguered bbc show survive? we've got reform uk spokesperson crucially, strictly contestant ann widdecombe live
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welcome back to patrick christys tonight. look. now we welcome reform uk's immigration and justice spokesperson. the legendary and whitaker, and is fondly remembered , amongst many fondly remembered, amongst many other things, for her time on the bbc show strictly come dancing. incredible moves there an incredible moves. but the wheels are now threatening to come off the strictly bandwagon with the show embroiled in an
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ongoing scandal over its treatment of celebrity contestants over the last seven months, multiple allegations have emerged, starting when sherlock's amanda abbington hit out after fireworks flared between her and her professional strictly partner giovanni pernice. she described him as nasty and said that he had caused her to suffer ptsd , and caused her to suffer ptsd, and he has since been dropped from the show. but then, earlier this week, apparently graziano was booted off the upcoming series due to his alleged mistreatment of documentary presenter zara mcdermott on last year's show. today, he admitted kicking her dunng today, he admitted kicking her during filming. it has now been reported that a third professional strictly dancer is identified as a person of interest. and is this the beginning of the end for strictly? >> well, i do hope not, because although i don't watch it much these days , it is a fun these days, it is a fun programme and it's family entertainment and there isn't that much which the generations can watch together, but i mean, ihave can watch together, but i mean, i have to say, i have very, very little patience for this. i mean, you know, post—traumatic
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stress disorder. this isn't a war. this is a dance competition. what's the matter with them? secondly, they're all adults. you know, they had a complaint. they should have made it, and thirdly, as well, i know it's the celebrity who's in control. so you can say , i'm control. so you can say, i'm sorry, i can't do any more today. i, you know , i really today. i, you know, i really can't. and indeed, one celebrity i know tells a wonderful story of how he drove all the way to brighton for a training session with his celebrity. and she said, i'm terribly sorry, i'm to off get a new bathroom today. and off she went. and he'd dnven and off she went. and he'd driven all that way for nothing. so the celeb is in control. let's not forget that , okay? let's not forget that, okay? >> i mean, you just what? don't think there's any truth to i mean, there's i mean, he's one of them's admitted kicking his dance partner yesterday. i mean, so obviously there is a bit of this stuff going on, isn't there? >> well, i think we need, first of all, all the training sessions are recorded, you know, so there should be video evidence, and if it was a real kick , well, that is scandalous. kick, well, that is scandalous. but if, on the other hand, he was just trying to adjust her
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leg with his foot. oh, no , you leg with his foot. oh, no, you just don't know. and all i can say is that adults, the celebrities in control and, you know, it's no good coming out of the woodwork years later, they should have complained at the time . time. >> okay, i mean, i get i get that side of it. absolutely. and look, i wasn't there. i don't claim to have a massive, massive interest in strictly come dancing. i know a lot of our viewers will, though. there is such a thing as the strictly curse , though. and, you know, curse, though. and, you know, people get getting getting quite romantic, getting into very hot and heavy situations. dance itself is a very passionate thing. do you think there's a fine line between that and actually, in some cases, really inappropriate behaviour? >> well, first of all, there's no there's no strictly curse. there's no hex witch taking part in strictly puts on you. it's people's behaviour. it's what they choose to do. i gain, i stress. we're all adults, we're
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all responsible for our behaviour. no good blaming the strictly curse. if you start to behave in a practically with your partner at all, i suppose there's a question, isn't it though? >> and sorry, i'm going to ask quite quick on this, which is if the bbc did know about stuff like this and they let it run for quite a while, then, then that suddenly becomes a scandal for them, doesn't it ? for them, doesn't it? >> well, if they knew about something serious , but as i say, something serious, but as i say, i've yet to be convinced that there was anything terribly serious because it would have been caught on camera . it would been caught on camera. it would have been videoed during training. so let's see all those videos. that's interesting. >> that's interesting. so, so , >> that's interesting. so, so, so for you, every single training session was filmed was it absolutely everyone? >> yeah . everyone very >> yeah. everyone very occasionally and on. and i would start and the cameras hadn't arrived. but you have about five minutes of that. >> and as far as you're concerned in your case, anton is a stand up guy. and a great person. anton du beke is now a judge . judge. >> yeah, i never had a moment's problem. he had all the problems because i kept kicking his
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shins. but it was accidental . shins. but it was accidental. >> all right. and thank you very much. not the usual topic we have a chat about, but it does make a nice change. >> reform. by the way, reform doesn't have a policy on strictly. >> no, no, no good. just as just as well. yeah. what would it be to turn strictly back around ? to turn strictly back around? maybe. but anyway, thank you very much. all right. maybe. but anyway, thank you very much. all right . that's very much. all right. that's reform uk immigration justice spokesperson, ann widdecombe . spokesperson, ann widdecombe. right now, a quick correction in our programme on tuesday, we showed a short video clip of someone and wrongly identified him as brighton's mayor, mr mohammad asaduzzaman. we also suggested that mr asaduzzaman might be given new financial powers by the government. in fact, he is brighton city mayor and not a regional mayor. so his role and duties are ceremonial and non—political. we apologise for both mistakes coming up. we'll be recovering this . one. we'll be recovering this. one. oh yeah. i'm gonna bring you the
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very latest on that ongoing incident throughout the show. but next, labour have announced significant housebuilding plans alongside what many are calling an amnesty for asylum seekers. so will it now see those people prioritised for social housing above brits? stay tuned . above brits? stay tuned. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers sponsors of weather on gb news >> hello. very good evening to you. here's your latest gb news weather update coming to you from the met office . there could from the met office. there could be some heavy, possibly even thundery rain this weekend, but before then a lot of fine and hot weather are around. that being said, there is a weather system affecting parts of scotland and northern ireland through the end of today, bringing a bit more cloud and some outbreaks of rain here, though the rain will be easing overnight, so turning mostly dry. meanwhile, across the bulk of england and wales, it's a dry night with largely clear skies, albeit a few pockets of fog. a bit more cloud, perhaps towards western parts, temperatures not
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>> it's 10 pm. i'm patrick christys tonight. i'll . be. all christys tonight. i'll. be. all it is all kicking off in leeds tonight. and it is still kicking
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off. by the way, a police car has been tipped over , smashed by has been tipped over, smashed by an angry mob. i have quite a few more videos to show you. it's not going away any time soon. huge question marks taking place there. over what on earth? the police are doing. meanwhile david maddox called asylum seekers like that. >> nowhere is decisive reform needed more urgently than in the case of our planning system, be given a permanent home in your town ahead of brits under this labour government. >> we discuss also to stop illegal migration, we must also tackle it at source. >> so today i am announcing £84 million of new funding for projects across africa and the middle east. >> starmer has pledged foreign aid to stop the boats , and a aid to stop the boats, and a gang of young men come into your house. >> they take your girlfriend , >> they take your girlfriend, they take your mother, they put her onto the table and they gang rape you. her in front of you.
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>> extinction rebellion founder roger hallam is sentenced to five years in prison. is this the end of the eco nutters plus? >> and is that the sense you've got that he's having a tough time right now. >> he nearly died . >> he nearly died. >> he nearly died. >> do you think he's having a tough time right now? >> he nearly died. >> he nearly died. >> emily maitlis is copping it for this farage interview on my panel tonight. it's gb news star nana akua tory peer lord bailey and ex—labour adviser matthew laza and apparently covid is just like being shot. >> he's strong enough older than trump to have gotten something that used to really be fatal to people his age . people his age. >> get ready britain. here we go .
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>> get ready britain. here we go. okay, two big topics for you. we're going to take you to leeds, where there is an ongoing massive riot taking place. and then i'm also going to be talking to you about whether or not labour is going to build homes for asylum seekers in your town. that's . next. town. that's. next. >> patrick, thank you and good evening to you. well, events have certainly intensified in leeds this evening . we leeds this evening. we understand riot police have been deployed on the streets of the harehills area of the city after a police car was overturned and its windows smashed as large crowds gathered to register their protest. some reports tonight suggesting that unrest has grown , fires are being lit has grown, fires are being lit in the streets and police and one of the videos we saw on social media were seen leaving the area. west yorkshire police have issued a statement tonight. they've confirmed there is an ongoing public disturbance involving some. what they're describing as agency workers and
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some children, which appears to have been the flashpoint and catalyst of tonight's disturbance in the harehills area of leeds. police then said that more people began to gather at that location and a decision was made to remove the agency workers and the children. they said, to a safer place then the crowd began to gather in even greater numbers, more officers were drafted in and more pockets of disorder were flaring up. then, as we understand it, the police left the area. there were road closures in place and people were asked to leave the area and avoid coming into it. no reported injuries at this stage, but we understand right now on the streets of harehills, leeds riot police deployed to the streets and disturbances growing throughout that area . growing throughout that area. well, in other news tonight, sir keir starmer has announced £84 million worth of new funding to tackle illegal migration as he's hosted an eu political summit at
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blenheim palace in oxfordshire today. the prime minister says he wants to reset our relationship with europe and push for closer security ties with other countries. the group agreed to boost ukraine's defence capability in its war against russia and then, speaking at the end of the summit this evening, the prime minister promised to tackle europe's migration crisis by smashing the gangs, he said, which continue to operate. >> we stand for the values that he embodies around the world liberty and democracy, yes, of course, but also defiance and resolve in their defence and today, as a new storm gathers over our continent, we choose to meet it. in that same spirit, we want to work with all of you to reset relationships , rediscover reset relationships, rediscover our common interest, and renew the bonds of trust and friendship that brighten the
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fabnc friendship that brighten the fabric of european life . fabric of european life. >> well, sir keir starmer also said today the report from the covid inquiry confirmed the uk was unprepared for the pandemic in a 240 page assessment released this lunchtime , released this lunchtime, baroness hallett found there were significant and widespread failures by successive governments. the report also condemned the 2011 pandemic strategy for being virtually abandoned when covid hit, with no forward focus on economic and social impacts. the prime minister says his government is committed to learning from the inquiry and he expressed his heartfelt sympathies to those who lost, loved ones during that time. just quickly from the united states. now, the washington post is reporting tonight that barack obama, the former president, has told his allies that joe biden does need to reconsider his election bid for november at the same time, it's been confirmed that joe biden's had to cancel speeches because his team says he has covid. it's also being reported
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that nancy pelosi, she's a close aide of joe biden, has also privately told him he can't win the november 5th election, echoing a growing number of democrats expressing the same doubts. we'll keep you up to date on that throughout the rest of the evening, but for now, those are the latest news headunes those are the latest news headlines from the newsroom. i'm polly middlehurst . headlines from the newsroom. i'm polly middlehurst. i'm back in an hour. see you then. >> for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code, or go to gbnews.com. forward slash alerts . gbnews.com. forward slash alerts. >> all right. now just to say shortly we're going to take you to leeds where, as polly was telling you about, there is this ongoing situation. it looks like it's getting worse, not better as well. i must warn you. but before that, labour's house building bonanza could end up having unforeseen consequences. so, prime minister sir keir starmer has repeatedly promised
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his government will be billed as not blockers. the party campaigned on a pledge to build 1.5 million homes in five years, mostly on green belt land, and people think that that's the only issue. in fact, a lot of people think that's a positive thing. but let's look into the detail here. angela rayner has also boldly pledged that every borough in the uk will be required to take their fair share of asylum seekers , before share of asylum seekers, before adding that they would all be eligible for places in the 1.5 million new social houses and homes that labour plans to build right across the country . right across the country. alongside the amnesty for the 90,000 or so migrants earmarked for the rwanda flights, the tories say that this could mean 1300 new asylum seekers being housed in every local authority. if the number of illegal migrants entering the uk continues at the same level for the next five years. i wanted more detail on this. i think this is an issue, a topic that that frankly has not been picked up enough yet. i'm joined by housing expert property expert russell quirk. russell, look, thank you very much. i was hoping that you might really be
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able to start by just letting us know what kind of percentage of new housing developments have to be allocated as affordable or social housing. what are the rules here? >> so generally speaking, every development over ten housing units is required. >> that 35% of all of those units are in some way social housing. now that could be social rent, which is what we used to call council housing, which obviously doesn't exist anymore. >> that could be affordable, as in below market value, or it could be shared ownership. >> so the rough rule of thumb is at 35% of everything that's built in a on a substantive development has to be for social housing, housing. the problem with that, of course, is if the builders, the top ten, the likes of persimmon, bovis, taylor wimpey and so on, if they decide that they want to throttle back on their housing output, social housing suffers as consequence. >> so conceivably, if there is then a development of, say, 100 homes somewhere, how many kind of social houses could we see on that particular site? there would be 35 units and the local
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council will then decide what the mix is between shared ownership, but most of them will be social rent, so it will be people that are on the waiting list that go into those homes. and that's my next question. so as it currently stands, under the rules of people who get into social housing, how is that decided really? because we have supposedly around 90,000 people being added to this. this backlog, i.e. by way of the amnesty that keir starmer is about to undertake? >> yeah, so the general rule again, is that local authorities do it based on a points system, which is based on need. >> the conservatives actually last year tried to introduce a kind of british first approach that didn't happen. so right now, most local authorities will allocate on need. now the problem with that is that that needis problem with that is that that need is predicated around such things as overcrowding, how many children you've got, if you're in distress , you know, obviously in distress, you know, obviously if you're in a home where there's violence and so on. but there's violence and so on. but there is nothing that actually puts someone that's british, that's been on the waiting list
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for, let's say, ten years in front of someone that rocks up here from somalia, for instance, and says , hey, i've got 17 kids, and says, hey, i've got 17 kids, ineed and says, hey, i've got 17 kids, i need a council house. the need technically will be that that person that wasn't born here will probably. and have got council housing, social housing before those that have paid into the system here for years and years. and years. >> okay. and a concern would be as well as labour is saying that they want to close the migrant hotels, that people therefore who and process people quicker that people would therefore be at risk of eviction quicker, could therefore be higher up that housing need waiting list and see themselves in in social housing, so what could local residents maybe actually do to stop this? because at the moment, all of the conversation about labour's planning and labour's house building seems to be centred around, well, you know, i might not want it built on my green belt as opposed to, you know, whether or not people actually might want to have a
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housing development with an attachment of asylum seekers onto that. >> i mean, the reality is, patrick, there's nothing the local populace can do. so there's a there's a misconception that local residents can write to their mp , residents can write to their mp, their council, their councillors to try and block local developments. that's actually not a thing. the planning processes that any planning development that goes through the consent process is agreed or not based on merit. let me just tell you very, very quickly some of the stats. so 40% of social housing in london is now lived in already. so before what we're about to see under the current government is already lived in by people that weren't born in britain. 10, 10% of all new social housing goes to people that were born overseas. that rate has doubled since 2010, so this is already a problem. but and again, i know i'm here as a housing guy, but with a political hat on. what we're about to see is an absolute disaster in terms of the influx of people coming to this country. as the floodgates open and amnesties are , you know,
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and amnesties are, you know, provided and we are nowhere near building enough homes, social or otherwise . frankly, the 1.5 otherwise. frankly, the 1.5 million homes that angela rayner has talked about over the next five years is a fantasy. they are not going to do it. i'll eat my socks if they do. >> all right, russell, thank you very, very much. insightful i think it's fair to say that's a story that's going to become quite a lot bigger. it should in the coming months and months and years. so thank you for kind of being first out the traps on that one. as russell quote, there is, of course, a property expert. and right now i'm just going to play you a little clip of something that rachel reeves, our new chancellor, has had to say. i'm going to get some reaction to that from my panel. so here she is. >> nowhere is decisive reform needed more urgently than in the case of our planning system . our case of our planning system. our antiquated planning system leaves too many important projects tied up for years and years in red tape before shovels even get in the ground, we will reform the national planning policy framework, consulting on a new growth focused approach to the planning system before the end of the month , including
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end of the month, including restoring mandatory housing targets . targets. >> okay. all right. so look welcome back. i'm going to get a panel reaction on this. just just to say shortly and very shortly the next few minutes we're going to be taking you over to leeds because as we're all aware now, if you've been watching this show for any penod watching this show for any period of time whatsoever, it is kicking right off full scale riots in leeds. but nana, i'll start with you on this. what we've just heard there from property expert russell crowe appears to indicate that as things currently stand with laboun things currently stand with labour, what we're going to see is housing developments dotted around the uk, potentially on green belt land, with social housing attached , and that housing attached, and that asylum seekers could well be prioritised over brits for that social housing. so it would indicate maybe permanent housing for asylum seekers just dotted around the country. >> we see, i think one of the most important things that he said was based on need and what that need is. so that doesn't mean that british people will be put first. so if you're an asylum seeker and again, you rock up with lots of kids and you've got literally nothing, you've got literally nothing,
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you are more likely to be housed more quickly than somebody in this country. i can imagine that will be the case because you've literally nowhere to go. and the thing about this i struggle with is even, for example, the bibby stockholm that is now slightly overcrowded, asylum seekers are all going on hunger strike. they're not going to eat now. and it's like, hang on a minute, okay?it and it's like, hang on a minute, okay? it may be there's a lot of people there, but you are somewhere you have food, you can actually go on hunger strike. there are people in this country who are queuing up for food banks who literally cannot afford to live. so i think this is very worrying. and i think that the labour, the labour government, i think, need to consider who their voters are. >> sean, i think i'm right in saying, do you do you sit on housing? do you in the london assembly? i certainly you should have a bit of insight into this. i mean, is this way off the mark here? is it way off the mark to suggest that under labour's current plans, when you group together their asylum plans and their housing plans , that that their housing plans, that that could well mean more homes permanently for asylum seekers around the country. >> let's split the two things up. no matter what happens. if you stopped all entries in this country last week , we need a country last week, we need a massive house building project that needs to happen under our
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current system. the people who seek an asylum would get would get primacy because we it's based on need and clearly if you have nowhere because you have no footprint in this country at all, you would leap to the front of the queue. the problem is, and the moral challenge will be, there's people who've been in this country ten, 15, 100 years who need the help. equally and this is how you then split up and make problems within the community when people think, well, i've been here five, ten, 15 years. you arrived yesterday and you jumped for me. that is something that local authorities are going to be are going to be very aware of, and the government's going to have to help them navigate, because it could cause real trouble on ground, on the ground, on something. >> people have been here 100 years, probably, like not alive . years, probably, like not alive. >> no no no no no, hold on. i used to run a 60 plus day, said no. we had a few people over. >> can i ask you ? because there >> can i ask you? because there is there is an aspect to this that's still on the waiting list. >> that's why they've been waiting that long, right? >> right. look, there is an aspect to this house building thing, which i think maybe is, is an uncomfortable thing to talk about, but i think it will
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be an issue . now, some people be an issue. now, some people might think this shouldn't be an issue, and it needn't be an issue.i issue, and it needn't be an issue. i think for quite a few people it might be, which is that if you are in a particularly rural area, let's just say a quintessentially typically english rural area, okay, where perhaps there's not a huge amount of diversity. all right. and then all of a sudden there's a housing development of £600,000 houses. and attached to that, there's 35 social houses, and you end up with certain people from , from other parts, people from, from other parts, from radically different cultures that move in there . cultures that move in there. asylum seekers. could that not pose some kind of social problem, or do you think people just have to suck that up? >> no, i think we need to build all across the country. but i think labour is acutely aware of the issue, about how you allocate extra social housing. obviously not all you know, a lot of the houses will be commercially built in this 1.5 million, but there will be a new commitment to council housing, and proud to, you know, angela rayneris and proud to, you know, angela rayner is proud to use that phrase so well, this is the issue. how do they do it? i think their instinct is they want to under the end of the brown government. gordon brown talked about trying to change the points based system on the
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waiting list so that it did benefit local people that seemed to actually go away under the tories. but i mean, you're right, you're right. sean is right. if you don't do that, if you don't ensure, for example, in rural communities, often people are priced out of being able to buy a house locally. young families, if you see people you know shipped from the big cities into that, that clearly could create tensions. what you need to do is have a look at how you do it. the problem is obviously is, is the lawyers then get involved and tell you you can't do it. >> is there that the labour party are acutely aware that that would be a problem to integrate such a large number of people? well, there has been i'm not hearing anything really that suggests they are. >> well, i think i mean, in terms of housing allocation, there has been discussion about it. gordon did talk. i mean, he had british jobs for british workers. he did talk about local homes for local people. but that's a jobs that's not how local homes for local people as well. >> if you look at london, london councils have great experience of dealing with these sorts of things and what they've just doneis things and what they've just done is said we'll do need regardless of race. >> i just think, i think it's important to raise it now because i think that is a story that we're we're going to have to watch this space when it comes to the housing developments, coupled with labour's asylum policy, i can see that being quite a big issue
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down the line. people aren't necessarily talking about it now, but i think there will be in the coming months and possibly years ahead. but we're just going to put a pin in that one for now because there is a big ongoing incident taking place. and as you've been hearing, there is major disorder in leeds currently . and i am in leeds currently. and i am joined now by gb news home and security editor mark white. mark, we are seeing some astonishing footage coming out which appears to indicate a variety of different things being set on fire, riot police are being roped in. what on earth is going on in leeds ? earth is going on in leeds? >> well, now we're seeing significant disorder in leeds. this was an incident that unfolded a few hours ago, actually , at 5:00 this evening actually, at 5:00 this evening at an address in luxor street, which is in the harehills area of leeds. police were called there to assist what they've described as agency workers involved in an altercation involving some children there.
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from that point, it seems to have escalated with other groups of people involved in that trouble and that disorder. from that point, west yorkshire police said that they called in reinforcements and it seems really only to have spiralled from there. we saw some quite significant scenes of disorder, with a police car being smashed up with a police car being smashed ”p by with a police car being smashed up by residents and being tipped onto its side, and then just in the last half an hour, another escalation with a double decker bus in that area of harehills , bus in that area of harehills, which has now been set on fire and is ablaze with hundreds of people out in that community, it seems word has clearly got out on social media, and many people in that area , and perhaps a bit in that area, and perhaps a bit further afield in leeds, have gone to that location. some of them clearly involved in this disorder. it has all the
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potential for escalating further. we've seen these kind of riot situations develop before, and they can gain what's called a critical mass. when enough people are there , when enough people are there, when they're effectively worked up enough and they start targeting the likes of vehicles that are not connected, for instance, to the police, like the double decker bus we're seeing, and then perhaps onto buildings and then perhaps onto buildings and the like. there are significant west yorkshire police reinforcements now on scene. now the latest statement that they put out was a couple of hours ago. at that point, they were saying there are no reports of injuries. whether that has changed in the hours since then. well they clearly have not put out any updated statement , but out any updated statement, but it's very volatile on the ground . it's very volatile on the ground. violent significant disorder and has all the potential to escalate even further. >> yeah. mark. absolutely. this has this has kicked on from, you
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know, a few hours ago where it was a gathering, if that's the right word for it. in the street. and we saw the police car being overturned and kicked in to, you know, it appears a variety of different things, potentially including vehicles being set on fire. reports on the argus reports, you know, fireworks being fired around the place. mark, have the police lost control of this ? lost control of this? >> well, it depends by what you mean lost control? i'm not sure they're exactly in control at they're exactly in control at the moment, but that is a tried and tested police tactic actually is to not go in and have a full on fire fight with those involved in disorder, unless they're actually, risking someone's life or other people are at threat of serious harm. so what you often get with the police is they tend to sort of regroup, hold back a bit, try to contain the situation, hope that
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eventually these people will tire themselves out . but of tire themselves out. but of course, if it escalates further, then the police reinforcements that are coming in at some point there will be a decision made, i'm sure to move in and try, if they can, to control the situation and make arrests. you were mentioning fireworks there. i saw that we've been monitoring a few of the live feeds from social media of people at the scene, and absolutely, there are fires that are being lit on the streets separate from that bus that's on fire. bonfires effectively in the middle of the street , and fireworks that have street, and fireworks that have been sending rockets off into the air as well. one of the big problems, patrick, that the police have these days, and i saw it first emerging back in 2011 after the death of mark dugganin 2011 after the death of mark duggan in london. that sparked those riots up in tottenham that then spread, of course, throughout london and to other places in england, as well. one of the big problems they started to encounter there was the
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social media. and then back then it was blackberry messenger and people were messaging each other on blackberry and they were just assembling at different locations to carry out disorder while social media has advanced very significantly since then, with these live streams and videos , people are seeing that videos, people are seeing that and they're flooding this area , and they're flooding this area, which just is much more problematic. and worrying for the police. >> yeah, and again, look, just for the sake of our radio listeners, we are looking at as mark was saying, buses being set on fire, fireworks in the street , on fire, fireworks in the street, bonfires in the streets, police cars being overturned and smashed up. what appears to me to be there anyway? what's on the screen at the moment is that the screen at the moment is that the fire is perilously close to a shop, i would say as well, and potentially a couple of kind of kebab style restaurants that are there. i mean, hundreds if not thousands of people out in the street. you mentioned there the use of social media. mark, and
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just just to clarify again , just just to clarify again, mark, i'm sorry to make you repeat yourself. i think it's important. why do we think this started? >> well, it appears to have been a call for assistance from agency workers. what they quite mean by agency workers. i'm not sure whether that was social workers or people involved in social housing or something like that. clearly, at an address in this street, luxor street, which is in the harehills area of leeds, that apparently descended into disorder with risk to those workers, these agency staff who called in police support. there were reports of children being involved. again, we don't know if that was a confrontation with children or if these agency workers were in the process of trying to recover children. we just don't know. at this stage, i'm sure that will come out clearly in the hours ahead, but
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that call for assistance really disintegrated quite significantly in the period of just an hour where, a few, a few people became a dozen people became several dozen people. thenit became several dozen people. then it morphed into hundreds . then it morphed into hundreds. and now we are looking potentially because we've seen very crowded pictures in some of the videos, potentially up to a thousand or more in this area and more people arriving all the time. of course, it's now dark out in the streets of harehills as well , out in the streets of harehills as well, which gives out in the streets of harehills as well , which gives people that as well, which gives people that want to cause, some kind of disorder and destruction, that kind of cover of darkness as well, so a lot of concern in the hours ahead for the police. >> 100. mark, thank you very, very much for picking your way through what is quite a complicated and very much ongoing incident. this mark white there is gb news home and security editor . we are white there is gb news home and security editor. we are going to be giving you more updates as this . well, it's not going away this. well, it's not going away anytime soon. this incident in leeds. so just stay with us
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because i'll give you a bit more information as and when we get it. i'm just going to whizz us over to the story that we were actually going to cover before it all kicked off in leeds, and just stop oil mastermind roger hallam and four other climate protesters have now actually been jailed after they brought part of the m25 to a standstill. over four days, 45 people climbed gantries on the motorway in november 2022 and as a result, people missed flights, medical appointments, exams, two lorries collided as well. now hallam was sentenced to five years in prison while the other defendants each received four year jail terms. these sentences yearjail terms. these sentences are the longest since the introduction by the last government of the new law of conspiracy to cause a public nuisance . well, there we go. i'm nuisance. well, there we go. i'm joined now, actually, by just stop oil spokesperson doctor kush naik. doctor kush, look, thank you very much. is this the kind of deterrent that is going to put people off doing incidents like this in future? no, because oil, gas and coal
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are weapons of mass destruction. >> the people that were sentenced today, the five of them, they were trying to dismantle that system from killing millions of people. so when you face that sort of threat, time in prison is not going to be able to get you out of that emergency. >> so you'd fundamentally just do not think that people are going to be put off now by by five years in prison. no, no. what are you going to do from a prison cell, though? that's the thing, isn't it? you're just going to be in there, aren't you?i going to be in there, aren't you? i mean, if you want to do activism or something , maybe, activism or something, maybe, maybe the opportunity would be to try to for stand election. because if you tie yourself to the m25, you get nicked. you spend five years behind bars. you're not much use, are you? i think the important thing of this story is that this trial itself was actually a complete disgrace. >> right , >> right, >> right, >> the jury were not allowed to hear the whole truth. and that is something that when you are giving evidence in court, you swear that you're going to tell the truth. the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. >> but when the defendants tried
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to discuss actually why they were involved in those meetings, those zoom calls to plan actions, they were told that actually they're not allowed to discuss the climate crisis because the judge felt that that was irrelevant and inadmissible. >> he actually described it as simply political opinion and beliefs . okay. beliefs. okay. >> but it is. >> but it is. >> well, just on that, because one of the people who was sentenced today was roger hallam. right now, i'm sure you've seen this clip, but i do just want to because this is the kind of stuff that he might have said in court if he was allowed to. right. and just it'd be interesting to see whether or not you think this might sway the jury. so here is here is mr hallam the thing about social collapse is the complete loss of material security or law and order, as you might say , a gang order, as you might say, a gang of young men come into your house. >> they take your girlfriend, they take your mother, they put her onto the table and they gang
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rape you , her in front of you. rape you, her in front of you. and then after that, they take a hot stick and a poke out your eyes and they blind you . eyes and they blind you. >> right. so he's talking about societal breakdown. there in his view, linked to climate change. i mean, if the jury had heard that, they'd have probably locked him away for longer, wouldn't they? >> well, the jury need to be allowed to understand what it is that motivates people to take action to prevent society from breaking down. and actually, unless they do understand that society's at threat , which isn't society's at threat, which isn't just something that roger hallam is saying, but also actually, sir david king, the former chief scientific adviser to the government, the guy who held sir patrick vallance job before him is saying exactly the same thing. he is saying that if we continue burning oil, gas and coal, then human civilisation will not be able to continue. >> okay. all right. look, doctor. thank you . and also doctor. thank you. and also i will just point out, you know,
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look, we were we were hoping to have longer with you. we've been overtaken by events in leeds, i'm afraid, which i hope you understand. but thank you very much for your time this evening. and thank you for coming into the studio again. that is a just stop oil spokesperson, doctor kushnick. now, right. coming up was emily maitlis right to go after nigel farage for being in america? it is quite an astonishing interview this we're going to play you that very soon. but next. yeah we'll have all of tomorrow's newspaper front pages for you. and we are going to have a little bit more info for you on this ongoing situation that's taking place in leeds with a retired police officer, tried to us us what he thinks police should be up to now, clamping down
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yeah. welcome back. now normally at this point, we would give you the very first look at tomorrow's front pages. but i have to tell you, there is an incredibly serious, ongoing incident taking place in leeds. it is full scale riots . it it is full scale riots. it started out with police cars being tipped over and smashed, and it has escalated big time
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into scenes of streets being set on fire, buses being set on fire. i mean, there's conceivably thousands of people out in the street now. a statement from west yorkshire police says that now, more officers have been deployed to deal with this incident . officers have been deployed to deal with this incident. some road closures are in place. they say no injuries have been reported. i find it difficult to see and when we show you some of the pictures of what's going on now, i find it difficult to see how that idea that nobody's been injured or hurt can still be a thing. and i want to know how we got here, though, and i want to know how the police appeared to have lost control of this unbelievably volatile incident that's taking place in leeds. joining me now to talk about this is retired police officer norman brennan. and norman, thank you very, very much for joining us as we get some of these pictures that are , you these pictures that are, you know, taking place in leeds at the moment on our screens for you, norman, what on earth is going on here? >> well , going on here? >> well, leeds bradford area are regularly tinderbox areas. the police walk around gingerly and
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sadly . patrick, we've got sadly. patrick, we've got communities all around britain now that think that they rule the streets, they can do what they want, behave how they wish and if the police attend, what they do is they attack the police . so the police basically police. so the police basically are going into areas which technically are no go areas. so the police behave very gingerly. and as a result of that, these communities, behave in such a bad way. well, not all of them, but certain sections of them, and think that they can do what they want, behave how they want, commit whatever criminality they want, and as we've seen this evening, a police car was attacked. many police officers were forced to leave the area. a police car has been turned over and i believe it's been torched, there's also a double decker bus that's been torched. and it's basically the lawless streets are in leeds . are in leeds. >> yeah, yeah. complete lawlessness, by the way. nothing from yvette cooper on new home secretary yet on what is ongoing rioting in leeds. the situation has been going on now since
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about 5 pm, and our pictures here will work its way through to the current situation, which is playing out . a bus has been is playing out. a bus has been set on fire. we've got other areas there being there we go. there's stuff on fire here now, norman, this isn't going away. any time soon. and the police do stand accused norman of not getting to grips with this quickly enough . it was a very quickly enough. it was a very volatile incident. and look and you know, there does appear to be, you know, a concern here that there may be slightly cultural undertones to what's going on here. this is just judging by the clips and what some people are saying online as well. i don't know if you know any more on that. >> what i do know, patrick, is that the police, and i'm ashamed to say this, have lost the streets, when i say that we've lost the streets , there aren't lost the streets, there aren't enough police officers. more are leaving than actually joining. and let's cut to the chase . we and let's cut to the chase. we have had rammed down our throats for decades. that diversity is our strength. well, i believe
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also, patrick, in certain communities, diverse ness is our weakness. we've imported some have imported themselves and others attend and come into this country illegally. they commit criminality. they commit disorder on the streets, and they believe that they're untouchable. and when the police don't challenge them robustly , don't challenge them robustly, like you, me and the rest of the country, expect them to do, it basically means that some streets and areas in britain, and i'm absolutely i'll just. >> yeah, look, look, look . yeah. >> yeah, look, look, look. yeah. and again, i know, i know you're alluding to a lot of what we've seen in in london, etc. and it remains to be seen the exact circumstances, the exact nature of what we are currently witnessing in leeds, what we can guarantee that we're witnessing in leeds. though norman is widespread criminal damage and total law and, breakdown of law and order. what needs to happen now ? because there are now? because there are
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conceivably norman hundreds if not thousands of people who are committing crimes before our very eyes here. i mean, do we nick them all? i mean, what's going to happen here? we're about to let a lot of people out of prison. >> well, they're so arrogant. these offenders and rioters, they're not even wearing masks or or headgear. i've seen dozens where if i was a detective, i would easily be able to identify them and get them arrested, because that's what needs to be happening. but let me tell you this, patrick, all around britain is there's tinderboxes there's these time bombs waiting to go off communities. now behave or it's not all communities behave in such a way with street robberies, violence, knife attacks, machete attacks that many of the public choose what areas to go to. so for them, it's no go areas. and i'm ashamed to say this, patrick, i've been in policing and law and order for 45 years. i love my country. i don't like the
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direction it's going as far as law and order is concerned . and law and order is concerned. and unless yvette cooper and keir starmer actually come out with some robust legislation and start supporting the police because we haven't got enough, i'm afraid that we're going to have anarchy on the streets of britain very soon. >> okay . all right. norman. >> okay. all right. norman. well, look, thank you very much. i'll say goodbye to norman brennan now, it's former police officer norman brennan and his views , obviously, are that, views, obviously, are that, people don't fear the recriminations anymore. people don't fear, you know, the authorities . and it's difficult authorities. and it's difficult to suggest otherwise, given some of the footage that we're bringing now, i want to emphasise again, as it currently stands, the exact circumstances that have led up to this situation are not clear . okay. situation are not clear. okay. but what is clear is the way that this has escalated. all right. and nana the rush to behave like this , whatever the
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behave like this, whatever the reason really may be for it , i reason really may be for it, i don't think there's ever really a reason to behave like this, but whatever the initial spark for this might have been, what is immediately obvious is that there are thousands of people in that area and around that area who are. these are the latest images i in fact, i'm going to talk over these. these are later images of a bonfire in the middle of a street in leeds with several police vans, people throwing rocks and debris at those at those police vans who are now being forced to flee the scene. this is astonishing stuff that we are witnessing here in leeds. absolutely stunning. so being chased now by groups of people in the street, hounding police out, this is remarkable . police out, this is remarkable. it looks as though the police have gone in to try to arrest somebody there. that is going badly. the police have got the riot shields up. this is unbelievable. nana have you ever seen anything like this on the streets? >> to be honest, no. and. but let me be clear, seeing it now, people aren't afraid of recriminations. they don't care because care has already promised. no you can't blame the, you know, the care or the
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conservatives actually, for any of this is all of their faults. they've allowed this lawlessness to continue. there's nobody specifically to blame. but it doesn't help when you've got messaging from keir starmer suggesting that he's going to send fewer people to prison and then let out some dangerous criminals. what are what's the fear? what's going to happen to me? nothing. the police have shown that they're woefully inadequate. the pro—palestinian, the way they handled the pro—palestinian protests, showed that they were never going to do anything anyway. so people realise there are safety in numbers. if you attack in numbers, the police will do nothing. and at the moment, as we can see, the police have lost complete control. >> sean, this is i take a slightly different angle. >> i think we have attacked the police so much they can't do anything. if the police were to do a robust response now, they'd be absolutely torn to pieces. in the morning, somebody would be calling for a senior police officer to lose his job. so why would they take that risk? i spoke to a police officer recently, and he said every time he interacts with a member of the public, he feels like he's risking his career. so he does
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think twice and you're just seeing that en masse. and then the other part of it, of course, we've had so many people, and i'd say largely on the left, who've attacked and denigrated the country and all of our institutions. of course, nobody has any respect for them. so when the police step in, they're stepping on all of our behalves. but they've been run down so much. nobody, nobody has any respect. and it's why somebody said to me the other day, as a black man, why do you always support the police? the reason i support the police? the reason i support the police because it's the poorest communities, including the black community, that suffer the most . if the police. >> absolutely. i certainly agree with that point. >> what we are seeing now, matthew, is people literally trashing their own area, right? >> i mean, you don't know which is what they could be. >> people from elsewhere. yeah. often, often you have . often, often you have. >> but this is you know, they i mean, they're burning things to the ground here. matthew. yeah. >> which is what we saw in the london riots. >> you need to come out and talk about. >> yeah. i mean, look, i'm sure that she'll be being briefed at the moment. she's a she's a west yorkshire mp, not from leeds but
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just down the road. so i think we will be seeing a response from a minute ago. all right. see there we go. as predicted by me yvette cooper one minute ago, i am appalled at the shocking scenes and attacks on police vehicles and public transport in leeds tonight. >> disorder of this nature has no place in our society. my thanks go to west yorkshire police for the response. i am being kept regularly updated so come on matthew, what does our new home secretary need to do about this now? >> well, i mean, she certainly i mean, if this needs to, what she needs to do is ensure that west yorkshire police have all the resources they need, if they need support from neighbouring forces. we saw when we had the london riots, over a decade ago that we, the police, were brought in to london from across the country. so certainly what will be happening in the home office is they will now be looking at whether or not to bnng looking at whether or not to bring people in from other parts of yorkshire and from across the pennines in greater manchester we'll have rewrite trained and i suspect you'll see if this carries on. you'll be seeing the cobra emergency committee meeting tomorrow. >> so you think there could could be a cobra emergency? i think i think if he carries on,
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yes. >> if i mean, it's the burning of the buses and things is getting it's clearly getting out of hand. >> i lord dannatt that's a great political politician's response. but she's now the home secretary. she needs to be taking action. that message should say things like, i've directed people to do this. i've asked for that to happen. not just that i'm being, but hopefully that will follow. but yeah, but that needs to happen first. she's a home secretary. >> but i mean, i heard what you said earlier about the police being scared to actually do anything because somebody will come out for them. and yeah, i take that on board. but i also think the police have many laws that they could be using that they haven't used, and they don't fully understand the amount of laws that they have to use. >> well, look, let's, let's just, park this for now, because when we come back, we're going to be giving you a bit more detail. i do just want to emphasise that cooper has now issued a statement saying she's appalled at the shocking scenes and attacks on police vehicles and attacks on police vehicles and public transport in leeds tonight. disorder of this nature has no place in our society. that situation in leeds is ongoing. a massive riot, a series of riots, the burning of a variety of different things as well. we will bring you bang up to date with all of that when i
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come back. really, really desperate situation, the likes which are very rarely seen in this
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all right. welcome back, everybody , to patrick christys everybody, to patrick christys tonight. now, there is, i'm afraid to say, an ongoing incident in leeds. i think we've got some pictures for you now of this. it's a riot that's taking place in leeds. now. it all started on the road that we're kind of witnessing here. we believe it's been reported. it's been reported this was some kind ofissue been reported this was some kind of issue involving social services, child services. i don't want to speculate on the exact nature of that, but that's coming out that obviously caused an outrage. now, this is the latest footage that we've got, which is police vans. several of them, with a bonfire in the street being pelted out in front, frankly, run out of town, actually by a load of people there in harehills in leeds, there in harehills in leeds, there are other clips as well, of buses being torched, of
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massive disruption of other aspects of the town centre being set on fire, that i believe is the back of a bus and it has spread to a nearby building. from what we can tell, there are thousands of people out in the streets. it's all being spread and streamed, by the way, on things like you're seeing now on here, but also on things like tiktok, etc. the role of social media in all of this is going to be absolutely vital in terms of actually spreading this incident. look sean, this is this is unbelievable. really, what we're witnessing now. i mean, it doesn't seem like it's going away any time soon. how on earth can we get to grips with this? i mean, this is this is a combination of different factors. people there clearly do not care about law and order or frankly, where they live. >> there's two things. just quickly go back to the social media issue. i remember when the london riots were on, i was a youth worker at the time, and a lot of my young people were sending around the same image and arranging to meet people and stuff. and what was very interesting is we had the odd young person who said, look, let's try not to get involved, let's try not to get involved, let's not do that. so social media can be a good and a bad
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force in this. what you're seeing here, i would imagine, is that it's gone beyond the initial spark. there'll be many people now who are probably involved, who don't know why it started, but they do know they want to express themselves in this way. and there'll be some people who are angry about a thing about their place in britain, their employment, whatever, and the other people who are just getting involved because they know people is involved. >> i'm seeing things you know, here live in front of me , and here live in front of me, and there are people saying that they are on the scene now, and there does not appear to be police. right. so we're seeing, you know, a few police vans which we've just shown have been forcibly evicted from the area. i am seeing things in front of me here now from people who appear to be at the scene wondering where the police are. well, the number one thing is the police have got to get control, and that's what the home office needs to be, >> directing west yorkshire. police to do. and also the mayor of west yorkshire, tracy brabin. you know, who is also the police and crime commissioner needs to, you know, needs to ensure that
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the police is number one priority is getting control back of the streets. >> yeah , but it won't be that >> yeah, but it won't be that easy because we're seeing a particular set of pictures. but this is probably widespread. more than one area. it's going to take an enormous amount of police to get get hold of the situation. i remember watching the met police, some demonstrations and just seeing how complicated it is for them to direct what goes on, and they'll definitely be bringing in reinforcements from neighbouring forces. >> also regret to say that those this is from the video footage. >> i mean , there are very young >> i mean, there are very young children involved in this. there are very young children involved in in the rioting, in the criminal damage, in the becomes. i am currently in front of me here now looking at images of very young children throwing things into a burning bus. i mean, nana, this is why have we got for the future, really? >> you know, when i see this and, you know, i was hoping that this sort of era of rioting had passed us because we haven't had something like this for a good while now. and i think the worry
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about this is, as you said, they're not really many police there . why would they go there? there. why would they go there? what can they add to this? because they appear to be the, what these people are attacking. so the police that we can see now are people chucking things at police cars and you know, writing. and it seems to be a bit of anger towards the police. i'm also noticing that it does seem to me there might be a racial element to this as well, because some of the people in the footage may look like they have, you know, they're from other communities or other. you know, they may. it's a very diverse area, a very diverse area. so i suspect there's a racial element. but i you know, i think it's all we actually know why they're fighting, which i think is this is the problem. >> they might not know why. certainly the young children , certainly the young children, the young children you're talking about, they're probably just joining in. but what's another element that the police will have to get over who are prominent people in this community, that they can be contacting to speak to? the reason i talked about social media on in the london riots, because that's how some of the, the, the notion that it should calm down was, was beginning to
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be spread. >> i'm just going to read out a statement earlier on. i read you out a statement from yvette coopen out a statement from yvette cooper, who is now our home secretary. i also have one now from james cleverly, the situation in leeds has descended into chaos. i hope the home secretary is taking the necessary steps to grip the situation and ensure local people are safe, including our brave police officers . matthew, brave police officers. matthew, this is a test for the new labour government. >> absolutely. and it's very important, a very important test. they do get a grip. i mean, as nana said, it is i mean, as nana said, it is i mean, harehills is a majority south asian community, and clearly we saw riots in northern towns and in the, in the, in the, you know , 20 beginning of the, you know, 20 beginning of the, you know, 20 beginning of the 21st century, in oldham and elsewhere. you know, it would be very alarming if this was to turn into a kind of disenfranchised sort of, you know, south asian youth of south asian heritage versus the state. and there seems to be a bit of that at the moment, from what we can see, if it is, as you said, it's obviously quite diverse
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there. >> this is why people always get concerned with regard to immigration and things like that, because they worry that if there's infighting within different cultural groups, that they bring that to this country. and i mean, i don't know the complete the reason why this is happening. >> well, we don't we don't know. >> well, we don't we don't know. >> but, you know, no, i do understand why the report worried the report into those riots in the in oldham and elsewhere. >> was it's a separate and parallel communities and that's i think the issue that happens is that it's the communities. but the most, the most important thing going on here is there is not one reason for that riot. >> no, no, there's people who've arrived in the last hour who have no idea absolutely. >> whatever sparked it off. it's not about that, is it? >> and this is this is the issue you are not dealing with one issue. you're dealing with a plethora of issues. you're deaung plethora of issues. you're dealing with different parts of the community. and that's what the community. and that's what the police need to get on top of. so yes, there's a physical element of the police turning up, but there's a local and cultural element as well. and that's why i say that the new home secretary needs to say a little bit more than the platitudes that a normal politician will be saying, she has a job here all right, guys, look, thank you very, very much.
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>> obviously, it's a slightly different show tonight as it's turned out. but that's the nature of the beast, i'm afraid. look, stay tuned to gb news. we'll be keeping you right up to date with that ongoing rising situation in leeds. i'll be back again tomorrow from 9 pm, but keep a for gb news now . keep a for gb news now. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on gb news >> hello, very good evening to you. here's your latest gb news weather update coming to you from the met office. there could be some heavy, possibly even thundery rain this weekend, but before then a lot of fine and hot weather are around. that being said, there is a weather system affecting parts of scotland and northern ireland through the end of today, bringing a bit more cloud and some outbreaks of rain here, though the rain will be easing overnight, so turning mostly dry. meanwhile, across the bulk of england and wales, it's a dry night with largely clear skies, albeit a few pockets of fog. a bit more cloud, perhaps towards western parts. temperatures not dropping a huge amount a bit difficult for sleeping for some
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of us. some places holding up in the high teens. celsius though a little bit cooler towards the northwest. and then tomorrow it is going to be a hot day for many of us, particularly in the south and starting off looking first thing, a fine picture . first thing, a fine picture. lots of sunshine through the morning and once the sun comes up, those temperatures will quickly start to rise a bit further north it's looking cloudier, not as cloudy as today and there may be a bit of rain around over higher ground, but on the whole it's a dry start to the day as well. there may even be some sunshine breaking through, particularly towards the moray coast and northern parts of aberdeenshire as well. but as we go through the day, i'm expecting a bit of rain to start to push its way in towards the outer hebrides and some blustery winds developing here. elsewhere largely dry. 1 or 2 showers perhaps, but the general theme will be that there's plenty of sunshine around , plenty of sunshine around, especially across england and wales. and with that, even hotter than today, temperatures rising into the low 30 celsius towards the south—east in the mid to high 20s across many
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>> it's 11:00. >> it's11:00. you're with gb news. and in a moment. headliners. but first, let's bnng headliners. but first, let's bring you the latest news headlines. and riot police have been deployed to the streets of leeds tonight after a police car was overturned with its windows smashed. a large crowds gathering in the streets. it's
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happening in the harehills area of the city, a majority south asian community where the arrest, the unrest rather appears to have grown tonight, with a bus also being set on fire and reported rioting across the area. west yorkshire police have confirmed there's an ongoing public disturbance involving some agency workers and some children. the home secretary, yvette cooper, has just said in the last 20 minutes or so i am appalled at the shocking scenes and attacks on police vehicles and public transport in leeds tonight, she continued. disorder of this nature has no place in our society. my thanks go to west yorkshire police for their response. i'm being kept regularly updated that from the home secretary, the new home secretary, yvette cooper, within the last 20 minutes. well, west yorkshire police have said tonight more people have begun tonight more people have begun to gather at the location in harehills and a decision was made by the chief inspector to
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