next hour joining me in the next hour broadcast from columnist lizzie cundy and also former labour party adviser matthew laza, in a few moments time i'll be marking the week. and of course we've got so many things going on. we've had two weeks of labour government, small boat crossings continue to rise and trump at a brush with death. we get to hear him on his first ever conference afterwards, former mp, conservative mp miriam cates will also be joining me live for the political spotlight . and the political spotlight. and we'll be talking about the tory party's demise. i mean , can they party's demise. i mean, can they can they even get it together? are they even relevant then, at my difficult conversation, this week, jennylyn artigas, now she was homeless and abandoned in london, but now she's rebuilt her life and is thriving as an onune her life and is thriving as an online entrepreneur. can't wait to hear all the tips. but before we get started, let's get your latest news with tamsin roberts . latest news with tamsin roberts. >> nala, thanks very much and good afternoon from the gb newsroom. it'sjust good afternoon from the gb newsroom. it's just after 3:00.

passengers continue to face disruption at airports as airlines struggle from the fallout from yesterday's global it outage . flight delays are it outage. flight delays are persisting as airports and other businesses slowly get back online. it comes as thousands of families start their holidays as schools for break up the summer. banks, supermarkets, most gp surgeries and even major tv and radio broadcasters were among many others who were also knocked offline. yesterday, the glitches were caused by a security update deployed by a company called crowdstrike, which affected users of microsoft windows software . a microsoft windows software. a yacht has been seized in the engush yacht has been seized in the english channel carrying a group of migrants trying to cross illegally from france. footage obtained exclusively by gb news shows the 18 foot yacht, as it was towed into dover's harbour by the border force. our producer counted 86 migrants disembarking from the force's vessel. it comes as hundreds of other migrants launch from the

beaches of northern france in small boats. the third busy day of illegal crossings this week , of illegal crossings this week, police in south gloucestershire are appealing for help in the search for a prisoner who escaped from hmp leyhill yesterday . gary russom, who's yesterday. gary russom, who's 42, was serving sentences for driving, robbery and burglary offences. he was last seen just before 5:00 yesterday afternoon and was wearing a dark nike polo shirt, dark jogging bottoms and black trainers. police say he should not be approached and anyone with information should contact them or crime stoppers . contact them or crime stoppers. meanwhile, a man who escaped from a west london prison while being treated in hospital has been recaptured. graham gomm, who's 63, had been on remand for burglary offences at wormwood scrubs but he absconded on thursday after being taken to hammersmith hospital. he was arrested in south—west london at around 830 this morning . in the around 830 this morning. in the us, reports suggest nancy pelosi

has told colleagues she'd prefer a competitive process to find a replacement for president biden if he drops out. the former house speaker is understood to have pushed for an open primary instead of directly nominating vice president kamala harris. that could see several candidates from within the democratic party compete for the chance to face donald trump. with just 107 days until the election . it comes as president election. it comes as president biden faces growing pressure to stand aside amid dwindling poll ratings . pay increases in the ratings. pay increases in the pubuc ratings. pay increases in the public sector could cost around £10 billion, which is believed to be more than the government had forecast. independent pay review bodies are reportedly set to recommend pay rises of 5.5% for teachers, and nhs staff, but schools and hospitals are unlikely to be able to meet the increase with their existing budgets without making cuts. it could represent a significant challenge for rachel reeves

first budget. after promising to clamp down on borrowing and ruling out a string of tax rises dunng ruling out a string of tax rises during the election campaign , during the election campaign, the home secretary says violent disorder that erupted on the streets of leeds was audacious criminality. five people have been arrested in connection with the angry scenes in the harehills area on thursday. vehicles were set on fire while a police car was overturned. the riots are believed to be linked to a case involving local children, who were taken into care. yvette cooper says those responsible will be brought to justice. >> we've been talking to west yorkshire police officers and also local community leaders about the action they are now taking in response to those unacceptable scenes of disorder and criminality that we saw last night. the community is working very closely together in response to what was a local child protection incident, but it's really important that the community can feel safe on the streets, and also that the

perpetrators feel the full force of the law . of the law. >> six time world snooker champion ray reardon has died at the age of 91. the welshman dominated the sport in the 1970s and was widely regarded as one of the greatest snooker players of the greatest snooker players of all time. fellow snooker champion jemmy white has paid tribute to his friend, describing him as a total class act . highs of describing him as a total class act. highs of 26 or 27 describing him as a total class act . highs of 26 or 27 degrees act. highs of 26 or 27 degrees have been forecast for some parts of the uk next week, with the weather to improve for the start of the summer holidays. that's as clouds and cooler conditions have returned this weekend after the hottest day of the year so far yesterday, the met office says. temperatures reached 31.9 degrees in central london, with many escaping the city for a dip at the beach. but heavy rain and bursts of thunder are forecast for wales and south—west england today . well, south—west england today. well, those are the latest gb news headlines. for now, i'm tamsin

roberts more from me in half an hour for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone , sign direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code, or go to gbnews.com >> forward slash alerts . >> forward slash alerts. >> forward slash alerts. >> thank you thompson. it's fast approaching seven minutes after 3:00 if you've just tuned in. welcome on board. i'm nana akua andifs welcome on board. i'm nana akua and it's time to mark the week and it's time to mark the week and what a busy one has been. trump said that god alone saved his life. i mean, whatever it was, he was incredibly lucky. and nigel farage went to see him. can this one picture, though, alter the course of history here in the uk? week two of a labour government at the start of the week, sir keir starmer shelved a legal crackdown on foreign workers amidst the biggest rise in population for 75 years in england and wales. that's since 1949. but by wednesday the focus was on housing and building 1.5 million new homes. but that will

be that will have very little impact if immigration continues the way it is. and in the king's speech on thursday, the return of big state britain was solidified , nationalisation, new solidified, nationalisation, new rights for workers and more powers for unions and extra rights for tenants . rights for tenants. >> my government will seek to strengthen the border and make streets safer . streets safer. >> a bill will be introduced to modernise the asylum and immigration system , establishing immigration system, establishing a new border security command and delivering enhanced counter—terror powers to tackle organised immigration, crime . organised immigration, crime. legislation will be brought forward to strengthen community policing , give the police policing, give the police greater powers to deal with anti—social behaviour and strengthen support for victims . strengthen support for victims. >> sir keir starmer also upheld raisi smoking ban and a total of 40 bills were proposed. the most

since tony blair's government in 2005. and in his first speech as prime minister, keir starmer had promised that politics would tread more lightly on your lives. but listening to all of this, i'm concerned. i actually believe him. public ownership of railways and gb energy, which it now transpired, will not invest in renewables with the private sector . instead, it would own sector. instead, it would own and develop government run energy projects such as wind and solar. the planning framework being ripped up with councils receiving top down housing targets. and my biggest bugbear bringing in restrictions on companies and landlords. by friday, it reported that roger hallam , co—founder of extinction hallam, co—founder of extinction rebellion, had been jailed for five years for the group's anfics five years for the group's antics on the m25. serves him right perhaps he thought he was too middle class forjail and we too middle class for jail and we were all in the grips of the global. it outage. it's been a mucky old week. right. coming

up, i'll be making light of this week's top stories in mock the week and my roundtable discussion with my panellists. then at 320, it's a hot topic, and in my roundtable discussion we'll be discussing labour's re—entering the renters (reform) bill and also the planning to evict people and all the evictions. i don't know what i'm talking about. what's going on? it's my birthday yesterday. i didn't go out drinking. i didn't dnnk didn't go out drinking. i didn't drink too much, just not as much sleep as normal. then at 335, doctor renee hoenderkamp will be live to discuss the latest medical breakthrough, a new drug tested on mice that could extend lifespan by 25. my god, bring it to me , i'll take it. and joining to me, i'll take it. and joining me to shine a light on my political hot seat today, former conservative mp miriam cates sits as the tory leadership battle is underway. what does the future hold for the conservatives? should be discussing that at 345, then coming up in the next hour. discussing that at 345, then coming up in the next hour . as coming up in the next hour. as even coming up in the next hour. as ever, a brilliant guest. stay tuned for that. but tell me what you think on everything we're discussing. send me your thoughts, post your comments

gbnews.com/yoursay . so joining gbnews.com/yoursay. so joining me now , former labour adviser me now, former labour adviser and commentator stella santa cruz. thank you for rempe simon danczuk, property expert ricardo blanco.i danczuk, property expert ricardo blanco. i know it's richard blanco, but it sounds so much better that way. and also julie ford property commentator, right. so let's i just want to start . so there's, loads of start. so there's, loads of time. so do get in touch. give me your thoughts. gbnews.com forward slash your essay. but first of all i want to i want to get stuck into labour. the labour party is for second week now. stella is there second week. are you pleased as punch the way they're they're going extremely excited. >> i thought the king's speech went down incredibly well. >> it was a very, very ambitious set of legislation , as you said, set of legislation, as you said, 40 new bills more than tony blair. i think there is a lot to look forward to . not everything look forward to. not everything was included in there, of course, that labour is going to achieve, but this is just the first two weeks. so amazing so

far. >> but what about its promise that big states not going to oversee you? i mean, pretty much everything. there was big state. i don't think it's a big state. you don't think so? i don't think so. no, i don't think so. >> because i think that a lot of the things that he's actually doing is he's taking away the barriers that have not allowed previous governments to deliver the growth that they have promised, especially when it comes to planning and growth and infrastructure. i think that's the biggest thing , and this is the biggest thing, and this is where you see the most ambitions in the bills. a lot of the other ones, i think they were treading lightly. there were a couple of ones that i thought it was his goodwill that he carried them over from rishi sunaks premiership. so the tobacco and vapes bill, for example, which i think should be welcomed by the conservative side, but then the planning reforms, the rental reform bills, which, which, which we will be discussing later, more and more people are renting, 11 million people are renting, 11 million people are renting across the uk and a lot of them are feeling incredibly uncomfortable with the way that the renting market has been so far. so i think it is going to be broadly very welcome. i know

you disagree with me kicked out of somebody else's house. >> simon danczuk it's this is nanny state socialism. >> this is big government. that's exactly what it is. he said he wouldn't do it, but he's done it. 40 pieces of legislation just completely overbearing on the british public. it's outrageous. and i don't care whether it's a conservative government or a labour government. it's outrageous that government interferes in people's lives in terms of banning them from smoking. i think that is really ridiculous. i feel really strongly about that. but, you know, we've got nationalisation back on the agenda that did come from rishi sunak. no absolutely. and i think it's wrong for either of them. that shows you how centrist rishi sunak is. shouldn't be interfering on, on on this on smoking. but we've got nationalisation in terms of energy. we've got nationalisation of the railways. this is a step back into the 19705. this is a step back into the 1970s. this isn't what the pubuc 1970s. this isn't what the public will want. it's all going to end. >> it's all going to end in policy. >> the vast majority of the pubuc >> the vast majority of the public want the nationalised railway. you were much too young to remember british rail, but i,

l, to remember british rail, but i, i, i, i can remember british rail and it was run for the purpose of the staff, not for the purpose of the customers. >> and what we need to do is just have an efficient private sector running the trains. that's the reality. >> richard blanco, what did you think of the speech overall and the proposals and how it affects you? >> well, i was very focused on the housing stuff, i guess, and i'm really pleased that they planned to build 1.5 million properties in the next five years. >> i'm worried as to how it's going to happen because essentially we rely on ten main house builders in this country. >> the other issue was that, of course, we weren't sure if they were going to bring back the renters reform bill they have in effect, brought it back as the renters rights bill. and in many ways, landlords and the property community are quite pleased about that because there aren't too many shocks in there, by the looks of things, the renters reform bill that didn't quite make it through the last parliament sort of annoyed tenants groups and landlords groups in equal measure. and that was actually a good sign

because it meant it kind of toed a line between the two, but i don't think there were too many surprises in there. you know, most of what we saw was what was, put forward in the manifesto . and i know a few manifesto. and i know a few civil servants who seem to be quite happy about what's happening. they feel that the approach has been quite collaborative and we've heard this phrase, the adults are back in the room. of course, i've heard that from quite a few people as well. >> do you think, julie, i think 40 new bills is extremely ambitious, to be honest with you, >> and probably not achievable. >> and probably not achievable. >> and that's where they're going to let themselves down. they're going to get to a point where they can't actually deliver what they've promised. >> you know, the old adage, you know, over, over, promise and under—deliver, you know, that's what they're going to end up doing. they're going to end up under—delivering because they've over promised. we don't need all this overhaul on legislation. we have legislation that is so antiquated, dating back to the 17005 that we're still using today. what we need is an overhaul of legislation that's brought up to date for how society is, so that it actually

can work with society rather than keep bringing new legislation in that just requires somebody else to police it all the time. >> well, also, if you bring in legislation without putting in the infrastructure for that legislation , then you've got legislation, then you've got quite a few problems on your hands. well, we will discuss all of that. give me your thoughts at gbnews.com/yoursay. we'd love to hear what you think. i mean, do you think that the labour party, do you think that the labour party are going to too quickly on this? >> ricardo, do you think, what do you mean on housing or just do you mean on housing orjust generally all of this stuff, the chucking out great british energy, trying to look competent. >> we're going to do this. we're going to do that. and i'm thinking, how how are you going to do all that? >> they've got that big majority haven't they. which means that they can be bold. and, i agree with what was said earlier about the railways. actually, i think some big changes needed because there's a lot of unhappiness with it , with the idea that with it, with the idea that nationalising it would be a benefit and would be, i think generally popular, and it can be done easily without spending too much money, because you can just bnng much money, because you can just bring those franchises back into

pubuc bring those franchises back into public ownership. >> i'd rather they nationalise water. i mean, like, i don't know about you, but i think we probably would agree that they need to nationalise water utilities. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> especially, you know, in my opinion , national utilities opinion, national utilities something that's, that is that is a public good that you cannot live without. >> should be nationalised. >> should be nationalised. >> well, that's why i don't think they should be the railways left too expensive. >> that's the problem with nationalising water. it would too be expensive. >> why would it be too expensive? look, if it was me, i would a find the water companies. every penny of their worth. and then i'd buy them back at a pound. i mean, they have literally destroyed our waterways , but they are not waterways, but they are not worth anything. so i would i would find them. they won't be able to afford the bill. and then i would take them in. that's how i do it. it wouldn't be that expensive. how's that expensive? >> the enforcement isn't there. the legislation is there, but the enforcement. exactly. so we'll come back round circle again. you know, the enforcement is there for a lot of things that are going wrong in the country. but nobody actually goes ahead and enforces them. >> right. well, let's see what you think, gbnews.com/yoursay. but first, there's still plenty of time to grab your chance to

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gb news. 22 minutes after 3:00. this is gb news. we are britain's news channel. i'm nana akua now. labour have pledged to ban no fault evictions and end rental bidding wars. now yesterday i

spoke to barrister and writer stephen barrett to explain the legality behind the pledge . legality behind the pledge. >> we're creating a very hostile environment for landlords, particularly small or individual landlords. >> so if you think about it this way, you remove the right to no fault, what we call now, no fault, what we call now, no fault eviction. i don't really understand why we call it that. it sounds quite emotive. what what really is going on is the landlord owns property and then for reasons the landlord needs it back and the tenant has given due notice, it's actually quite, quite a long time . and then the quite a long time. and then the tenant finds somewhere else to live . it's not, it wasn't live. it's not, it wasn't obviously an emotional an emotional issue. it's existed, you know, for, for a very long time and it's simply part of recognising that actually when you're a tenant, you don't own the property. there is a difference between owning something and not owning it. but we're deliberately creating an

environment. what concerns me, nana, is that it's very hostile to small individual. landlords, and it could create a situation in which they suffer real economic loss. but getting rid of no fault is really tricky because people do it because generally financial circumstances have changed. so generally there'll be something like there'll be a financial flux, there'll be a change in the mortgage market that pushes mortgages up. so imagine if you rent out a property and you rent it out for x amount a month, and then something changes in the mortgage market and all of a sudden it's a substantially less than the amount that you're being charged on a mortgage. as, as the landowner. right. you've now got a financial problem and you probably want to take no fault eviction , possession of fault eviction, possession of the property and sell it yourself because the other, the only other alternative is to default on the mortgage and then the mortgage company will the bank will sell the property and believe me, even judges, no judges are not the most switched on to the practicalities of real life. but even judges know that banks sell things at a loss as a

landlord, if i say, for example, wanted to get rid of the tenant for whatever reason, i can now no longerjust get rid of them no longer just get rid of them because i want to get rid of them and just put somebody else in. so one of the other things that the labour party put in the king's speech is that they're going to get rid of forfeiture. now, i don't understand that as a lawyer, because you really can't, in practice, ever forfeit a non—commercial lease, because right now i know that landlords are suffering with tenancy they don't want simply because the court system is taking so long. i think it's really important to note only the decent landlords use the courts. you know, we do. sure, we have problems with dodgy landlords in this. in this country we have problems with, you know, 20 people sleeping in a room in, in places that's, you know, never actually dealt with. there's no enforcement of that. instead, what we get is extra rules to punish the good effectively the law abiding will be pushed into a broken court system. and of course, they won't. they won't be. there's also there'll be alterations to how much you can get your legal

costs back as well. so it's really just putting a massive financial burden onto, onto landlords. our country does not want nana for laws. it's got fings want nana for laws. it's got rings of them. we're drowning in them. there are so many of them that it's almost endless, and we're writing them in a really bad way. can i just say that leasehold and freehold reform act 2024. it's just it's really badly drafted . it's got so many badly drafted. it's got so many words. it'sjust badly drafted. it's got so many words. it's just ridiculous. to define one concept. you click on the section and then the definition isn't in that section. so what is that section even for. well which who drafted that he's not. and a non—lawyer is not going to be able to read that document. it's just it's hostile to non—lawyers. and i think there's a constitutional duty to make our laws readable by everyone, including non—lawyers. and i think we're getting very close to a point where that's being breached. the other point i'd like to flag is just that, that bit on forfeiture, that's very infantilizing. and we're living infantilizing. and we're living in a very infantilized state. we have driven through our law the concept of self—help. okay, you

can self defend if you're attacked, you can self—help, you get your property back. if somebody's taken it. and forfeiture is one of the ways that you self—help to get your, youn that you self—help to get your, your, your flat or your or your house back taking away the ability of the citizen to defend themselves is very infantilizing. it makes us all children . again. children. again. >> that was stephen barrett talking to me yesterday about this renters reform, whatever they're now calling it and talking about forfeiture. joining me, richard blanco, juue joining me, richard blanco, julie forde, also simon danczuk and stella joana jarjue i said it right again. you said it's so well . right. it right again. you said it's so well. right. so it right again. you said it's so well . right. so forfeiture. well. right. so forfeiture. julie, what is he talking about? what does it mean? forfeiture? what does it mean? forfeiture? what does it mean? forfeiture? what does it mean? either of you ? what does it mean? either of you? >> well, that's not one of the highlights for me from the bill. ihave highlights for me from the bill. i have to say, i mean, i think one of the things that i really liked that he talked about was the hostile environment, which was really created by george osborne back in 2015, where the taxation changes were brought in. it was about trying to

suppress, the expansion of the private rented sector and increase home ownership. and in fact, the labour party want to increase home ownership from 64% to 70. that's a real problem, i think, because we've got a huge shortage of supply. we've got 15 people per property. you know, when it comes to applicants and none of what's in the renters rights bill, as it's called, is going to help that. yeah. the main issue, i think, is going to be the abolition of section 21. i don't think there's a lot of point in us fighting that actually nana, because there's a political consensus around it. i mean, i think there's a lot of nonsense around no fault eviction . no eviction is no eviction. no eviction is no fault. 25% of nra members issued a section that's the national residential landlords association. members issued a section 21 in in the last year. and of those they were either issued because of rent arrears, damage to the property, antisocial behaviour or because the landlords were selling. so they were this, you know, it

wasn't that they were no fault. >> so why are they bothering with this? julie? why are they coming up with this thing with no fault evictions? surely they should just leave section 21 there. what? why are they taking that out, the reason why they're taking it out is because in today's society, again, it's no longer fit for purpose. >> really, i don't like the term no fault eviction. i like the term no ground eviction, because the opposite is section eight, where you've got different grounds of either breach or landlord wants the property back. so i prefer no ground eviction. but no landlord will ever evict a good tenant. no, it doesn't make good business sense at the end of the day. so if you've got a tenant that gets on with the neighbours, looks after the house and pays the rent, why are you evicting them? >> exactly? >> exactly? >> there's no reason. so there's usually something behind it. and as richard has said, rent arrears are anti—social behaviour and the reason why section 21 is used so much is because the court system is so much smoother. there's no heanngs much smoother. there's no hearings normally, so it's a lot quicker to get your property back in the ground. >> you point out to something very important that the court system is not fit for purpose. so even with all this legislation, there's nobody there to actually manage it. >> we've lost the pledge around

court reform that we did have with the previous government. they said that we won't abolish section 21, no fault evictions until at least 18 months into the process. and we will want to report on how the courts are functioning and whether they're managing now , this government managing now, this government doing that or they're not. they're not no, i'm going to come to a big problem. yes. yeah. >> so, you know, about this, the rights bill that they're calling now, what are your thoughts on that. because the previous government had said we'll give you 18 months before we'll actually start initiating this . actually start initiating this. >> i agree with the framing of no grounds eviction, and that a good landlord will not want to evict a good tenant. but there are cases, for example, where we see what the landlords do is they bait and switch . so they they bait and switch. so they think, okay, my, my, my, the person who is renting my flat is probably not going to be able to afford the maximum rent increase, which i think i can get given the current rent increases. so i'm going to tell my so i'm going to tell them that i'm going to sell the house, and instead i'm just going to get a new renter in.

and the council really do not have the capacity to investigate whether that happens or not. it is practically quite difficult because that person could say, oh, i'm evicting you because i want to have my relatives come and stay in the flat and they just have whoever, and i'm not accept i can't. >> so what? it's their house. look, if you're staying in my house and i need more money and they've messed up the economy so much that interest rates have gone up 5. and pushed my rent up, my mortgage up. >> so, so average buy to let mortgages from 2014 to 2020 have been steadily falling by 2. rents on the other side, on the other hand, they used to increase by 2. now they are increasing by 9% every year. our salaries are not increasing at the same interest rates . the same interest rates. >> it's irrelevant. >> it's irrelevant. >> pure profit. >> pure profit. >> it's not profiteering. >> it's not profiteering. >> it's not profiteering. >> it's you obviously don't know . >> it's you obviously don't know. landlords are losing money hand over fist. the interest rates have gone up to about 5. so if you were paying, say 500, suddenly you're paying say 900. so you're paying almost double. you have to put the rent up. i've got renters in my house and pay

i've got renters in my house and pay for my mortgage whilst they're in it. >> private renters are are paying >> private renters are are paying 38% of their income is going towards rent. those who have mortgages pay 21% of their income going towards rent. well then they need to get mortgage. >> let me make a point that we haven't focused on. we make a big assumption that it's just small landlords that have 1 or 2 properties. the reality in my practical experience in london, i've known large landlords owned by insurance companies, 1300 flats in a block, and they treat and they use exactly this no fault evictions to increase rents, to move people on so that they can have short term renters in completely killed a community, or killing a community, or killing a community that's there . so it's community that's there. so it's not just about small landlords. so i do believe there has to be some change. large landlords like that just completely exploiting your legislation and targeted at people who've got more than such and such instead of possible. >> you know, when you suddenly own this many properties, then you're not allowed to do that. this and that, but to target everybody with that same brush and honestly, what you've just said there, the way you've

painted landlords, it's just not true. no, most landlords are most landlords. most landlords only have like one property. >> yes, that's true . it's about >> yes, that's true. it's about 70, i think, who just have one property or more. and i really want to refute the idea of landlords profiteering. my mortgage costs have gone up by 72% in the last year, and on average i put rents up by £100. now that nowhere near covers the increase in mortgage costs, the biggest solution is housebuilding. >> that's what we need. >> that's what we need. >> absolutely. it's about supply immigration as well. >> yes, no amount of houses. if you have 150,000 skilled workers. >> gap in the in the building industry and we've lost the economically inactive who were of working age, get people back into work, back into work and building houses, building houses briefly. >> last word to you, julie? >> last word to you, julie? >> building houses isn't going to solve the issue of landlords evicting tenants for what you're classing as profiteering, because ultimately , all the because ultimately, all the legislation that keeps being brought in is costing landlords money gas, safety, electricity, all of that cost landlords. >> it's not even most landlords are leaving the market because it's not profitable at all. but

listen, what are your thoughts? gbnews.com/yoursay thank you so much. just tell a shani louk ba.2 simon danczuk ricardo blanco and also julie ford three times i got it right three times, right? becoming an expert. you're with me . i'm expert. you're with me. i'm nana. this is gb news. we're live on tv online at digital radio. coming up nana nigel, my monologue. 15,000 small boat migrants have crossed the engush migrants have crossed the english channel illegally this yeah english channel illegally this year. but first, here are your headunes year. but first, here are your headlines with . tamsin. headlines with. tamsin. >> nala. thank you. here are the headunes >> nala. thank you. here are the headlines at 333. the nhs says most of its it systems are now coming back online after yesterday's global outage, though some are still reporting issues. but those heading off on houday issues. but those heading off on holiday are being warned to expect disruption . still, flight expect disruption. still, flight delays are persisting as airports and other businesses slowly get back online as thousands of families start their summer holidays. the glitches were caused by a

security update deployed by a company called crowdstrike, which affected users of microsoft's windows software . a microsoft's windows software. a yacht carrying a group of migrants has been seized in the engush migrants has been seized in the english channel as they attempted to cross illegally from france. footage obtained exclusively by gb news shows the small 18 foot yacht being towed into dover's harbour by the border force. it comes as hundreds of other small boat migrants launch from the beaches of northern france, on what's been another busy day for crossings in the us, reports suggest. nancy pelosi has told colleagues she prefer a competitive process to find a replacement for president biden if he drops out. the former house speaker is understood to have pushed for an open primary. instead of directly nominating vice president kamala harris. that could see several candidates from within the democratic party compete for the chance to face donald trump . chance to face donald trump. with just 107 days until the

election. it comes as president biden faces growing pressure to stand aside amid dwindling poll ratings and clouds and cooler weather are back this weekend after yesterday's sweltering conditions brought the hottest day of the year so far. but heavy rain and bursts of thunder are to hit wales and south—west of england today. are to hit wales and south—west of england today . but don't of england today. but don't worry, some good news on the way for meteorologists. they say warm weather could be back just in time for the end of july. not that to long wait. those are the latest gb news headlines. for now, i'm tamsin roberts more in half an hour for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code, or go to gbnews.com forward slash alerts . slash alerts. >> 36 minutes after 3:00. welcome. still to come at miriam

cates. former conservative mp will be in the political hot seat to shine a light on the future of the tory party. in my political spotlight, that's if there is one. but next, doctor renee hoenderkamp will join me to discuss the latest medical breakthrough, potential life extending .bnng

here. welcome back. this is gb news. welcome back. this is gb news. we are britain's alex batty election channel. that's gone. britain's news channel. i'm nana akua. welcome on board right now. this is fascinating. a new drug which could extend your lifespan by 25. now, scientists at imperial college experimented with mice. and you can see that the untreated mice on the right, if you have a look, if you can see this on tv, otherwise on radio, check out gbnews.com and have a look at the show there. they're experiencing hair loss, grey patches and weight gain. look at them while the others on the left look sleek and thin on

average. live for an extra 35 weeks. my god. joining me now , weeks. my god. joining me now, gp and medical writer doctor renee hoenderkamp renee . renee hoenderkamp renee. >> okay, where to start with this? >> there's so many angles. >> there's so many angles. >> i mean, i'll start with i'm always interested in any scientific developments and this one suggests that it might be up to stop people getting cancer, so that could be a good thing. >> wow . >> wow. >> wow. >> so basically this this interleukin 11 is what we call a cytokine which runs around in the blood. >> and it is a bit pro—inflammatory. >> so it causes inflammation. it also does other important things as well. >> and this is where i have i'll come back to that i have some issues. >> but if they block this cytokine with an antibody, the theory is that you don't have inflammation. >> and so you don't develop the cancer that comes from constant inflammation. >> your joints don't age, your hair doesn't fall out. >> all of those things. >> all of those things. >> now there's a few things things to think. it's very rare that the human body produces something that we just don't

need at all. this particular cytokine. we used to think it was important in platelet formation that's been sort of debunked. now we think it isn't any more that that use has been defunct, but it is still very important for women who are going to have children because it actually prepares the blastocyst and the lining of the womb for proper implantation. >> you've had them there, you've had them. exactly. >> so it also is important in stopping your body, breaking down fats and getting rid of it completely. >> so you end up like a skeleton. adipogenesis. and it has other roles in terms of blood cancers and inflammation. so i think it is an important cytokine . and i is an important cytokine. and i think we don't know enough about this yet to say that just removing it from people will make them live forever. so i think we need a lot more trials, and we need to know what the long term effects for 35 weeks might be. long in a mouse's life , might be. long in a mouse's life, but it's not very long in our life. >> and you said that the mouse on average, the comparison for the age of the mouse 55 was was 55. yeah. >> because obviously mice don't

live for very long compared to us. >> us. >> so that's a lot. >> it is. but it's all extrapolation isn't it. >> and often things that work in mice don't work in humans. they just don't translate. most things don't translate. it's the odd few that do. the other thing ihave odd few that do. the other thing i have as a problem with this is ethically , what do we do with ethically, what do we do with everyone when they start living forever? >> well, if they're healthy and it keeps them young and fit. you saw those mice on the left. they had good hair, they weren't fat, and then they could be useful, maybe build houses. i don't know, something. >> well, they could be useful, but we're not very good at making the economically inactive who are healthy work right now, are we? so i wonder if they're going to be inclined to do that when they're 55, 60, 70. >> you could make it a condition. you can have this drug as long as you work. >> so, you know, we do have a problem. we do need more babies, that's for sure. i'm not sure we need more old people. and i don't think that there is a place in the world for to us live to ever. we have a span. we have a life span , don't we? no, have a life span, don't we? no, no. 110. >> no. >> surely you agree with me .

>> surely you agree with me. >> surely you agree with me. >> surely you do agree with me that if we actually all kept ourselves well when we were younger , eating non ultra younger, eating non ultra processed food , exercising and processed food, exercising and keeping ourselves healthy, we would live a nice healthy long life. >> well, where do you draw the line then? because that means that pretty much any drug that helps you or prolongs your life, you're saying, well, no, you should just go with what's meant to happen. and i think, no, when new technology comes along, new drugs to expand and improve life, take them. do you both hands. >> but we need to know what the side effects are because we don't know that. yeah, well, there could be side effects. >> some people might be willing to experiment on this one. i think i probably can if they need nana dials the researchers, i'll do it . need nana dials the researchers, i'll do it. that need nana dials the researchers, i'll do it . that one i'm i'll do it. that one i'm interested in doctor renee , when interested in doctor renee, when are you back? are you back on saturday five. tonight. i am lovely, thank you very much. >> yes. you can see me at 6:00. >> 6:00 renee hoenderkamp. doctor. renee hoenderkamp jul be there on the saturday five. thank you so much. she's an nhs doctor and a broadcaster. right. next. former conservative mp miriam cates will be in the political hot seat to shine a

light on the future of the tory party. in my political spotlight.

good afternoon. 47 minutes after 3:00. this is a gb news. i'm nana akua. welcome on board. now. we're live on tv, online and on digital radio. and it's time now for this week's political spotlight. and joining me to shine a light. it's former conservative mp miriam cates, now following a monumental defeat in july general the general election, the battle for the new tory leader is currently underway . you've got mp suella underway. you've got mp suella braverman. she's been forced to deny that she would defect to reform uk if she loses and there's loads of things still going on. so miriam, thank you so much. first of for all, joining me. you look fabulous, by the way. where two blondes together. i'm trying not to

overheat miriam. so what on earth is happening to the tory party? it feels like, first of all, they sort of disintegrated, and now it feels like they're almost melting. so what's happening? >> well, i think there is a battle for the soul of the party. >> and obviously , who becomes >> and obviously, who becomes the next leader is absolutely crucial in terms of whether or not the party can recover from this defeat, whether or not potentially the conservative party could go on to win the next election . next election. >> i know that sounds, rather incredible at the moment. labour have won this enormous victory, this enormous majority. >> but actually the labour vote didn't go up hardly at all at this time. >> it was more that our vote just went so drastically down. so i don't think it's beyond the realms of possibility to win next time. but we have to get the right leader, and we have to get someone who really understands what went wrong. and i think there are two schools of thought within the party at the moment. there's one school of thought that says, well, we just fell out with each other. we weren't competent enough . covid weren't competent enough. covid got in the way. >> and then there's another school of thought that says we

just didn't deliver on our on our promises. >> the priorities of the people who voted for us were reducing immigration. we utterly failed on that. people wanted us to stop the kind of woke takeover of schools and institutions. >> we didn't. >> we didn't. >> and i think those are the kind of two schools of thought about what went wrong. and so of course, who becomes the leader will very much determine what comes next and whether we can actually get our voters back next time. >> but it's not going to be an easy process. it's not going to be a pretty process, but i think that's inevitable. >> we do need to have frank and open discussions about what went wrong and frankly, what does it mean to be a conservative party in 2024? >> me , i was a conservative, i >> me, i was a conservative, i voted conservative, the previous time. before that i voted laboun time. before that i voted labour, i voted i've even voted liberal democrat. i voted for anyone and anyone who's saying the right things. but to me, listening to the tory party, there was too much infighting. so whatever they were saying was lost within that. and i think that's quite clear. and i'm concerned that they'll spend way too much time navel gazing. so

who do you think should lead the party, and how long do you think it should take for them to sort of stop looking at themselves and start looking out towards the rest of the country? >> well, i'm not going to say who i want to be leader, because honestly, i don't actually know yet. >> i think the only person who's officially declared is priti patel, and i am just an ordinary member now. >> i'll get a vote at the end of the process, but it's not up to me who gets to the final two. but but just on your comment about the disagreements within the party, i mean, you're completely right. >> of course, voters don't want to hear disagreements, but fundamentally, the cause of those disagreements is that the parliamentary party is deeply split between some mps who are traditional conservatives and some who are liberals, and more close to the liberal democrats in many policies. and i don't think you can paper over those cracks. and i don't think that we want to paper over those cracks anymore, because actually, those cracks are the reason why we didn't deliver on things like immigration. so if you look at the rwanda policy, for example, the reason why that didn't work and that planes

didn't work and that planes didn't get off the ground is that the bill that the legislation that we put through parliament wasn't strong enough. it didn't bring us out of the echr, or at least stop the echr from preventing us using our own border controls. and the reason for that was there were not enough conservative mps who would have voted for that. so on papen would have voted for that. so on paper, we had this 80 seat majority, but in reality there was not a majority of conservative mps because too many conservative mps voted against conservative principles. so yeah, the outworking of that was people arguing in public. but the reality behind that was the party was split. so the challenge for the new leader is going to be to unite people who have not been united on these issues before. and i think that's probably almost impossible unless they can set out a proof that the reason that we lost the election was because we lost the election was because we lost the election was because we lost votes to reform, we didn't lose votes to labour, we didn't lose votes to labour, we didn't lose votes to labour, we didn't lose votes to the liberal democrat. we just lost our own voters. and the question is, how do we get those back? and without strong vision and a proper narrative about what went wrong, that's going to be very

difficult. >> i'm not sure that people will trust the conservative party again, though, because if we're talking about that and you said it's because of disagreements within policy, but it wasn't just that, though, it was how many home secretaries were there? was it what, eight? i think education secretaries. i think education secretaries. i think you had ten. how many prime ministers you had? you know what i mean? it was more the fact that there was so much going on that nothing got done. and i think people don't know whether if they even if even if you do select a leader this time, whether that person will still be leading the party within six months, that's of course, the leadership changes didn't help. >> and as you say, the rapid turnover of ministers meant any goodideas turnover of ministers meant any good ideas did get lost and we didn't make progress. and that's absolutely true. but we also shouldn't forget the impact of covid. and that was absolutely massive. and i don't think any government in the world has survived the election. following covid. and i think that's almost inevitable because however well you manage that crisis or didn't, the truth is people were subjected to huge changes in their lives, massive inflation

as a result of the money that we borrowed, disruption to the health service. and i think even if the government had managed the crisis better, we would still be facing those problems as countries around the world have. so i don't think we should forget that. i think it's unfair to judge the government, you know, against a different five year period. but but having said that, the fact that we then changed leaders so often was a problem, but also a symptom, as i've said, of the deep splits within the party, that unless we can find a way through, we are not going to be able to rebuild the party. and i think we lost so many voters to reform because we moved away from our core conservative values. they're not right wing values. they're not extreme values. the need to control immigration, all those kind of things. but we moved away from those, and that's why people don't trust us. >> well, listen, miriam, it's going to be a pleasure because you're going to be on air doing britain's newsroom next week . so britain's newsroom next week. so we look forward to you doing that. that's miriam cates is former conservative mp coming up. my amazing, amazing panel lizzie cundy and matthew larter. plus nana nigel. it's all about the small boats .

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>> good afternoon. it's 4:00. this is gb news. we are live on tv, online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua. and for the next two hours, me and my panel will be taking on some of those big topics that are hitting the headunes topics that are hitting the headlines right now. this show is all about opinion. it's mine, it's theirs. and of course it's yours. we'll be debating,

discussing and at times we will disagree. but no one will be cancelled. so joining me today is former labour party adviser matthew laza and also broadcaster and columnist lizzie cundy. now stay tuned because for the great british debate this hour i'm asking have we become too complacent about technology following yesterday's global it outage? are we becoming over reliant? are we just taking it for all granted? then? for my difficult conversations, i'm joined by a former apprentice star, jamal artigas, as she found herself homeless and abandoned in london, wondering if she would ever survive. you will not want to miss that. she's doing incredibly well. then, in click bait , nigel incredibly well. then, in click bait, nigel farage defends flying to the us two weeks after becoming clacton mp. whilst getting grilled by the news agents. host emily maitlis. >> and is that the sense you've got that he's having a tough time right now? >> he nearly died. >> he nearly died. >> do you think he's having a tough time right now? >> he nearly died. >> he nearly died. >> no flies on her. but before

we get started, let's get your latest news with tatiana sanchez. >> nana. >> nana. >> thank you and good afternoon. the top stories passengers continue to face disruption at airports as airlines struggle from the fallout from yesterday's global it outage. flight delays are persisting as airports and other businesses slowly get back online. it comes as thousands of families start their holidays as schools break up for the summer. banks, supermarkets, most gp surgeries and even major tv and radio broadcasters were among the many others who were also knocked off line yesterday. the glitches were caused by a security update deployed by a company called crowdstrike, which affected users of microsoft windows software . in other news, the software. in other news, the yacht has been seized in the engush yacht has been seized in the english channel carrying a group of migrants trying to cross illegally from france . footage

illegally from france. footage obtained exclusively by gb news shows the 18 foot yacht as it towed into dover's harbour by the border force . our producer the border force. our producer counted 86 migrants disembarking from the force's vessel. it comes as hundreds of other migrants launched from the beaches of northern france in small boats. the third busy day of illegal crossings this week . of illegal crossings this week. police in south gloucestershire are appealing for help in the search for a prisoner who escaped from hmp leyhill yesterday. gary rotham, who's 42 years old, was serving sentences for driving, robbery and burglary offences. he was last seen just before 5:00 yesterday afternoon and was wearing a dark nike polo shirt, dark jogging bottoms and black trainers. police say he should not be approached and they're urging anyone with information to contact them or crime stoppers . contact them or crime stoppers. meanwhile, a man who escaped from a west london prison while

being treated in hospital has been recaptured. graham gomm, who's 63, had been on remand for burglary offences at wormwood scrubs but he absconded on thursday after being taken to hammersmith hospital. he was arrested in south—west london at around 830 this morning . in the around 830 this morning. in the united states, reports suggest nancy pelosi has told colleagues she'd prefer a competitive process to find a replacement for president biden. if he drops out. the former house speaker is understood to have pushed for an open primary instead of directly nominating vice president kamala harris. that could see several candidates from within the democratic party compete for the chance to face donald trump. with just 107 days until the election. it comes as president biden faces growing pressure to stand aside amid dwindling poll ratings in the uk, pay increases in the public sector could cost around £10 billion, which is

believed to be more than the government had forecast . government had forecast. independent pay review bodies are reportedly set to recommend pay are reportedly set to recommend pay rises of 5.5% for teachers and nhs staff, but schools and hospitals are unlikely to be able to meet the increase with their existing budgets without making cuts. it could represent a significant challenge for rachel reeves first budget after promising to clamp down on borrowing and ruling out a string of tax rises during the election campaign , the home election campaign, the home secretary says violent disorder that erupted on the streets of leeds was audacious criminality. five people have now been arrested in connection with the angry scenes in the harehills area on thursday. vehicles could be seen on fire while a police car was overturned. the riots are believed to be linked to a case involving local children who were taken into care. yvette cooper says those responsible will be brought to justice. >> i've been talking to west yorkshire police officers and also local community leaders

about the action they are now taking in response to those unacceptable scenes of disorder and criminality that we saw last night. the community is working very closely together in response to what was a local child protection incident, but it's really important that the community can feel safe on the streets , and also that the streets, and also that the perpetrators feel the full force of the law . of the law. >> now in sport, six time world snooker champion ray reardon has died at the age of 91. the welshman dominated the sport in the 1970s and was widely regarded as one of the greatest ever snooker players. fellow snooker champion jemmy white has paid tribute to his friend, describing him as a total class act . and highs of 26 or 27 act. and highs of 26 or 27 degrees have been forecast for some parts of the uk next week, with the to weather improve for the start of the summer holidays. that's as clouds and

cooler weather have returned this weekend after the hottest day of the year so far. yesterday the met office says temperatures reached 31.9 degrees in central london. however, heavy rain and bursts of thunder are forecast for wales and south—west england today. wales and south—west england today . and those are the latest today. and those are the latest gb news headlines. for now i'm tatiana sanchez. more in half an hour for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code, or go to gbnews.com. >> forward slash alerts . ooh ooh . >> forward slash alerts. ooh ooh. >> forward slash alerts. ooh ooh. >> good afternoon. just coming up to seven minutes after 4:00. this is gb news. we are live on tv, online and digital radio. i'm nana akua. tv, online and digital radio. i'm nana akua . immigration, i'm nana akua. immigration, immigration, immigration. where are we going to put everyone location, location, location . location, location, location. this week we hit the milestone

of over a thousand migrants crossing via the channel in a week. now, on monday, there were 427. they crossed in seven boats on thursday, 317 on six boats and another 413 on seven boats on friday. now that's a total of 11 1157 plus 85. i think today. sadly, in between that, we also heard of the death of migrants and others were rescued. amazingly, though, one boat was turned back in french waters. my god, at last i can remember suggesting turning boats back a few years ago and being sent death threats and pictures of dead babies. my point was that people shouldn't get on the boats in the first place, and if those wishing to get here realise that if they attempting to cross via a dinghy, that they will be promptly sent right back to where they started. it might deter them from risking a their lives and also be funding the

people smugglers. and who are the actual ones who really don't care about anything apart from money. now labour have put forward the concept of a border command control to stop the boats. how effective that will be. i question and labour are also putting forward a new planning and infrastructure bill, which will, in their words, turbocharge building of houses and infrastructure. but what's the point of announcing house building programmes that, say 1.5 million new homes over the parliament? if you don't tackle legal and illegal migration? let's be honest, the tories got us here, even if some of it was on the back of previous labour policies. both parties are culpable, but the tories have been in power for the last 14 years, so they can't blame labour for a lot of this mess. social housing within the new developments under labour will prioritise those with the greatest need. so does that mean that people already living here will be at the back of the queue behind refugees and asylum seekers? what a great incentive to encourage people to come here illegally. this year saw the

highest rise in population since 1947, so great idea to build more houses. but if you don't tackle immigration, no amount of ripping up planning laws and building more will ever be enough. building more will ever be enough . but before we get stuck enough. but before we get stuck into the debates, here's what else is coming up today for the great british debate this hour. i'm asking have we become too complacent about technology following yesterday's global it outage? are we becoming over reliant and what could future breaches mean for the individuals and our privacy then? so i'm asking for the great british debate. i'm asking, have we become too complacent about technology at 450? it's royal roundup time. angela levin will be here to give us the latest from behind the palace walls on the menu. obe scoby or scabies, as i like to call him, has sold the rights for both his royal books. and he'll be turned. it'll be turned into a tv series. maybe we'll see something similar to the crown soon. that's if you can be

bothered to watch. and then at five, it's this week's difficult conversations. former apprentice star jameela artigas will be here live. she has. she was abandoned in london, rebuilt her life and is thriving as an onune life and is thriving as an online entrepreneur. all of that online entrepreneur. all of that on the way that is coming up in the next hour. tell me what you think on everything we're discussing some of your thoughts, post your comments gbnews.com/yoursay . right. let's gbnews.com/yoursay. right. let's get started. let's welcome again to my panel broadcast from columnist lizzie cundy and also former labour party adviser matthew le le matthew laza . matthew le le matthew laza. looking very smart in that suit jacket, i must say. very nice. the buttons done up to the top. it'5 the buttons done up to the top. it's controversial. >> my mother will be pleased. >> my mother will be pleased. >> your mum likes it. but there's this one particular gentleman who always emails in saying i'll do it, but let's hope he's not watching today. >> well, listen, if you are gbnews.com forward slash, you'll say. and then we'll force him to do that right? matthew michelle dewberry has undone it herself before. now she has. it's another show matthew. yes,

another show matthew. yes, another show. so, matthew, what do you think? labour party? i mean do they're talking about housebuilding. lovely. sounds great optics. but the reality is their approach on immigration doesn't feel powerful enough. and it feels like building more houses might not really come to fruition or actually have any impact . yeah. impact. yeah. >> i mean, i think, i mean, anybody can do the maths and you're absolutely right. if you have if you continuously have immigration, both legal and illegal, the level we've seen it recently , over the last couple recently, over the last couple of years, then those houses will just get soaked up by new arrivals. so you need to yes, we need to build more houses. >> that's the other thing. you also need new arrivals. the other point. sorry, i didn't mean to interrupt you. there but the point was as well by new arrivals. so this is the other thing. who will be at the front of the queue for these social houses? yes, i think there's two things you need to do. >> one of which is you need to make sure that housing is given fairly. so obviously some people in the most need may be recent migrants, but you need to ensure that those families who've been on their waiting list for a long time, those who are in unsatisfactory housing, we've seen some disgraceful cases over the last few years. >> of just the state of some of

our housing stock with damp, etc. so we need to make sure that local families who need houses are prioritised and that they're not just soaked up by new arrivals, which is actually something that labour talked about when gordon brown was prime minister. >> but on migration, gordon brown isn't prime minister. >> no, he's not. >> and we need to make sure. and the labour, the labour government needs to be acutely aware that it can, that there is an issue, a potentially big issue here. one thing we need to do, though, is we need to get the numbers of people arriving down there higher under the last year of the tory government than they've been under any labour, any year of a labour government. >> we are aware of that. nobody's commending the tories. no, no, but but can i just say, lizzie, this week we had people on the bibby stockholm complaining going on hunger strike. lucky they have food and people are giving them food and they can eat food, you know, at they can eat food, you know, at the taxpayers expense because they felt it was overcrowded. now we know that the quality of the accommodation is good. maybe there's too many people on there, but at least be gracious and thankful that you have somewhere to live. it's absolutely appalling. >> we've got our own veterans sleeping rough on the streets, which is absolutely shocking. and you know what keir starmer isn't doing enough, matthew. >> it's weak, poor banging on about smashing the gangs yet. >> we need to do it. lizzie.

>> we need to do it. lizzie. >> he's got no costing, no deadlines, no targets. it's not enough. >> we've got 15,000 illegals to date this year. that's up 13% as it was last year. >> and the uk will most likely exceed the figure of 29,000. >> they keep on coming . another >> they keep on coming. another 85 have come today. >> we need to smash the gangs. >> we need to smash the gangs. >> they aren't strong enough. >> they aren't strong enough. >> sadly. what he's saying is all talk. it's not enough and he's so stupid. not, you know, saying about rwanda not being the deterrent. you know, that's like showing your hand. why? >> well, he might there is no deterrent. well, with criminals, like, i mean , you know, i think like, i mean, you know, i think he's quite an intelligent man, actually, to be fair to him. but i do think that it is utter madness to get rid of something that does have even the slightest deterrent effect without anything deterrent effect without anything to replace it. >> well, you've got to make sure that you have a strategy in place which is really tackling the gangs , bringing bringing the the gangs, bringing bringing the border command together, bringing all the people we use for anti—terror, using anti—terror legislation, bringing together, the police

command, the home office. so people are actually working together on the gangs. we saw this week when he was talking to european leaders that they were making migration the number one priority. labour's not against offshore processing. it's just it was against the rwanda scheme, which was ridiculously expensive. >> white elephant. >> white elephant. >> we need to work together so that we're processing people in tunisia before they even arrive on our shores. >> it's too late. once they've got here. >> keir starmer slowly stepping back into the eu, don't you think? >> no. >> no. >> absolutely not. this is this is about working with countries both inside and outside the eu to have a sensible migration strategy given half a billion, we've not given a penny extra to the french . the french. >> the money announced this week was to for the countries , was to for the countries, particularly in north africa, to try and stop people leaving where they are to enter, to try and come here and there is research that shows that actually giving foreign aid to some of these countries actually makes people wealthier, and they're more likely to travel. >> so there is that you need to target it on specific things. i don't think that we should be giving aid to be working, and it's already costing us 3.9 billion, and that's 8.5 a day in hotels and so forth .

hotels and so forth. >> and labour, they can't keep saying, oh, it's worse than we thought. >> sorry. they're the opposition. >> they knew exactly how bad. >> they knew exactly how bad. >> but listen, you're absolutely right. >> i totally agree with you. we need a scandal on everything. >> well, i'll try not to say it today. yes, the scandal of people in hotels, which has an impact on communities across the country. so yvette cooper has committed this week to getting that backlog dealt with and getting people out of hotels so they can be returned to people, can have their weddings go on houdayin can have their weddings go on holiday in today's hotels rather than ruining our country. >> let me tell you, i was in greece, this week and watching what was happening in leeds. >> i was absolutely ashamed. >> i was absolutely ashamed. >> i was absolutely ashamed. >> i don't know why that was happening. i think there's a part of that was to do with some children that were taken from her home, but i'm not so sure that that. >> but why throw rocks and bncks >> but why throw rocks and bricks at our police? it just shows lack of respect for our own laws and values. >> in this, i think we all i don't know whether that's to do necessarily with migration. >> i mean, i think that i think we all agree that illegal migration is far too high and the illegal migration has got

higher since we left the eu. >> and one of the consequences of leaving the eu, which was sad, is that people who came from european countries, they went back, you know, often young people came to work and most people came to work and most people went back. >> you had this kind of, you know, sort of revolving door that hasn't happened because now we've got hundreds of thousands of people coming and staying because they're coming from further afield where you can't, you know, you're not coming on your own. people are bringing their families. and that's why we need to clamp down. >> we've got to be i don't think that's i think the reason what's happened with legal migration is that they just have not been strict and used. the skill based way of migrating. so you could have taken people from the eu or from wherever it doesn't matter, but it should have been skills based and dependence is bringing dependence is the issue. also. they shouldn't have been so generous with dependence, but i don't think i don't care whether people come from i just know it's a bringing dependence. >> they don't forget it was tony blair that opened the floodgates for this. >> the tory party have let us down. >> they were from within the eu and a lot of those people went home strong. >> this isn't good enough. >> this isn't good enough. >> as i said, it is both governments, labour and conservatives. so i think who are both have got their you

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if you've just tuned in. where have you been? just coming up to 23 minutes after 4:00. this is nana raisi on tv news. we're live on tv , online and on live on tv, online and on digital radio. it's time for the great british debate this hour. and i'm asking, have we become too complacent about technology? yesterday's it failure, described as the largest outage in history, has reignited the debate over whether the rapid shift to a digital world compromises individual privacy. now the outage caused a botched caused by a botched software update from crowdstrike, brought global disruption affecting airports, health care services and businesses. it highlighted the risk of heavily digitised systems and the potential risks to privacy when a single point of failure can wreak such widespread havoc. and of course, this shows the critical need for robust contingency plans and better backup systems to mitigate such failures in the future. as more lead could lead to exposing us to significant privacy and security risks. it's beautiful. what's that nice on it? so for the great british

debate this year, i'm asking is the race to a digital world compromising individual privacy? right? i'm joined now by simon danczuk former mp magan kumar, cyber security advisor at c1 xl, philip england, former senior military intelligence officer and former labour labour advisor. right, so let's get you up. let's see. right where we're going to start with you. simon danczuk. what do you think? >> yeah, i think there's a real problem here. there's no doubt about it. and what was described by one cyber expert was that we have a digital monoculture. and by what he means is that we rely too heavily on too few companies too heavily on too few companies to deliver these sorts of services. and so lots of organisations, banks , airlines, organisations, banks, airlines, as we've seen, the nhs all using just 1 or 2 companies, crowdstrike , microsoft, etc. and crowdstrike, microsoft, etc. and that creates a significant problem very quickly. and so the consequence of that is a major problem that we've seen. so what we need to do is perhaps have

more companies that we're relying on instead of having too few. and the other solution i think, just finally is the is in terms of just relying on not eradicating cash, still using books, still using non—computerized systems, i think that's crucially important. >> well, let's bring on magan kumar. she's a cyber security expert. what do you think? >> i think the point about excessive, reliance on a select few suppliers is the right one. i think the problem, however, is, much bigger than that. >> while we absolutely must make sure that we have a, ecosystem that relies on multiple suppliers and all companies have a contingency plan with regard to their operations, their cyber security, as well as their legal exposure. it's equally important that we recognise that now, pretty much all companies are technology companies, you know, from healthcare to banking to social media. we're all sort of putting out a lot of personal data about our , address, our

data about our, address, our information, our, you know, personal choices, our political preferences, our customer behaviour. we are constantly bleeding that kind of data. and those data are being collected by a whole variety of companies, which means that every company has to look at its technology exposure and resilience very carefully. it doesn't matter whether you're a tech company or not, if you are dependent on tech and if you are collecting data, you have to make sure that your resilience plan is absolutely unmatched. >> okay, philip ingram, what is your view on this ? your view on this? >> well, you know, the latest i.t outage. >> there's been no evidence of any data lost. >> personal data . but when it >> personal data. but when it comes to personal data and personal data exposure, i don't think people understand what they're exposing whenever they do anything on a modern device or put anything onto the internet or anything else. >> people know when to close the front door of the house. >> they know when to close the curtains in the room that they're in before they get up to different activities, and all the rest of it, because they

don't want people to look in, but they don't know what's happening when their smart televisions listening into them or their smart speakers listening into them or their watch smart watches listening into them, or they don't know what's happening and who's viewing what it is that they're putting on these devices. >> and that's the problem with society. and i think there needs to be greater education as to people so that they can get an understanding of their digital exposure, because no matter how much people think they have closed things down into personal accounts and elsewhere , i can accounts and elsewhere, i can access it. >> and i think that's a fair point that you make. stella, what do you think of this? >> i think that what this shows to us is how we cannot be overreliant on things like ai to us is how we cannot be overreliant on things like al to solve all of our problems, because very often these are very complex systems that require great expertise, which is very difficult and expensive to find. and so you have this situation where you have all of these systems all at once

granting to a halt. and that does mean that we need to make sure that we don't think that there is always a smart trick with al or some new technology to replace everyone. suddenly, and then all of our problems are going to be solved. socrates, the greek philosopher , used to the greek philosopher, used to be really worried that because we are so overreliant on taking notes , eventually our brains notes, eventually our brains will stop working as much and our thought processing is going to become lazy . now, of course, to become lazy. now, of course, it was inevitable that we were going to take more notes, and our brains did become lazy. in the end, it did happen. so he was right to an extent. it is impossible to stop it. it is impossible to stop it. it is impossible to stop ai. it is impossible to stop ai. it is impossible to stop our overreliance on technology. but we can be more wise about this, and we can stop looking at it as and we can stop looking at it as a panacea. a panacea. >> a panacea. >> but i want to come back to micah, though , because is it i micah, though, because is it i mean, they they put out an update that hadn't been tested, and so we are relying on these

people to go through the due diligence that they should go through. and on this case, they didn't. should there be some sort of punishment for these people when they don't do the right thing? because so far, literally, what's the punishment ? literally, what's the punishment? there'll be people who have really lost out financially , really lost out financially, airlines and so on and so forth. what's the punishment ? what's the punishment? >> yeah. see, on your first point, though, you know , usually point, though, you know, usually these patches are first rolled out in the smaller zones, of the company. >> so smallest markets precisely to test that they, everything is working. they're integrating well with other systems. >> so here obviously something went wrong in terms of liability and penalty. you know there are several complicated layers to this because as a as a provider there are always sort of contractual terms that, you know, outline what the customer should expect in terms of the availability of the service, the reliability, its quality. so, you know, every contractor will go through their terms very, very carefully . very carefully. >> and they really should with regard to, exact penalties, you know, that'll depend on where data regulators see as the core

problem being, you know , one is problem being, you know, one is of a date of a technology provider. >> but the problem at the user end can be, from the intermediary. >> so if you're not able to access your data that you gave to nhs or to an airline, then there is an intermediary involved. >> so the liability could be put on one company. >> the core vendors here, but it could also be distributed across the intermediaries that are using the interface. >> so the liability issue is actually complicated. and in a way it underlines the fact that whether you are the vendor of a technology or its user, your resilience strategy has to be, up to scratch because the liability can fall on you. >> and the reputational cost obviously is huge. >> well, see, that's the problem, isn't it? >> when something goes wrong, like if i want to contact facebook, there's certain ways you can do it, but sometimes you never get to speak to a human being, which is what you're after. but with this sort of thing, it's so intricate that actually everyone can escape liability. and philip, this is this is an issue that they can

escape liability because of the intricate nature of all the connections within all the different networks that they're operating within. >> well, i don't think they're going to skip liability because we've been able to identify exactly what went wrong with one patch and where it came from. and within 30 minutes of, that going out and we us getting the blue screen of death, the share price of the company dropped by 20. and i suspect it's continued on its way down. since then. we'll find that the board of directors, the shareholders, will hold the board of directors and the ceo to account, and all of the different companies that they provide this service to, will go through their terms and conditions . they'll look at the conditions. they'll look at the contracts that they've got, and there will be some form of liability within those contracts if they're properly written, for, an impact on the service as it goes down and they will start to individually sue the company . to individually sue the company. so i'll be surprised if crowdstrike actually survives this . this. >> well, you know, you say that i've noticed simon's nodding. we haven't got much time. but i think these people usually have

a clause somewhere they can escape any liability, usually there's something somewhere that allows them to be offline for a certain amount of time or something. and they may, may have managed to get within that. but listen. thank you so much. simon danczuk former mp megha kumar, cyber security advisor philip ingram, former senior military intelligence officer and also stella chan takeda, our political commentator. thank you so much . but what do you think? so much. but what do you think? are you too overreliant on technology? i should have asked you all that. actually, i didn't, but i think i know the answer. can i just briefly ask simon danczuk? are you two? do you think we're too reliant on technology? yes or no? >> yes, absolutely. >> yes, absolutely. >> and stella, same to you. yes. i thought that was the answer. that's why i didn't ask. right. this is gb news. we're live on tv, online and on digital radio. coming up, we'll continue with the great british debate this houn the great british debate this hour. i'm asking, how have we become too complacent about technology? you'll hear the thoughts of my panel, matthew and lizzy. but still to come, my difficult conversations. former apprentice starjamie—lynn ortegas. she'll be here live to tell us about her journey from rags to riches. literally but first, let's get your latest

news headlines. >> nana. thank you and good afternoon. the top stories . the afternoon. the top stories. the nhs says most of its it systems are now coming back online after yesterday's global outage , yesterday's global outage, though some are still reporting issues. but those heading off on houday issues. but those heading off on holiday being warned to expect disruption. flight delays are persisting as airports and other businesses slowly get back onune businesses slowly get back online as thousands of families start their summer holidays. the glitches were caused by a security update deployed by a company called crowdstrike, which affected users of microsoft windows software . a microsoft windows software. a yacht carrying a group of migrants has been seized in the engush migrants has been seized in the english channel as they attempted to cross illegally from france. footage obtained exclusively by gb news shows. the small 18 foot yacht being towed into dover's harbour by the border force. it comes as hundreds of other migrants launch from the beaches of

northern france and small boats on what's been another busy day for crossings in the us, reports suggest. nancy pelosi has told colleagues she'd prefer a competitive process to find a replacement for president biden if he drops out. the former house speaker is understood to have pushed for an open primary instead of directly nominating vice president kamala harris. that could see several candidates from within the democratic party compete for the chance to face donald trump. with just 107 days until the election. it comes as president biden faces growing pressure to stand aside amid dwindling poll ratings , and clouds and cooler ratings, and clouds and cooler weather are back this weekend after yesterday's sweltering conditions brought the hottest day of the year so far. however, heavy rain and bursts of thunder are forecast to hit wales and southwest england today. but if you weren't able to get to the beach yesterday, some good news. meteorologists say the warm weather could be back just in time for the end of july.

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welcome back. if you've just tuned in, this is gb news with britain's news channel. we're live on tv , online and on live on tv, online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua and it's digital radio. i'm nana akua and wsfime digital radio. i'm nana akua and it's time for the great british debate. this hour i'm asking, have we become too complacent about technology? yesterday we had the it failure , the largest had the it failure, the largest outage in history. also, the question as to whether this rapid shift to a digital world compromises our individual privacy. the outage, which caused, caused or was caused by a botched software update from crowdstrike. it brought global disruption affecting airports, health care services and businesses. i mean, it really does highlight how vulnerable we are and all the potential risks that are linked to that. so for the great british debate this houn the great british debate this hour, i'm asking, have we become too complacent about technology? well, joining me now, my panel, lizzie cundy and also matthew laza lizzie cundy. >> well i'll tell you about this

digital hitch because i was involved with it yesterday. took me over 18 hours actually to get back from mykonos that normally takes four hours, it was hell and luckily i didn't have young children or my gran with me because it was awful. 40 degrees heat, you couldn't get a drink because none of the tills worked. you couldn't get water, you know, it was absolutely awful. and then you, you know, people want a cashless society. i mean, cash is king when you have, you know, what happened yesterday? and i literally sat on a plane for three hours not moving when it did start to move, they the captain came out and said, i'm really sorry to say , but we're not sure when say, but we're not sure when we'll be able to land. >> oh , god. >> oh, god. >> oh, god. >> i mean, oh my god, it's that. and then he went on, which was very weird to blame. brexit for a minute, and i was i was luckily sitting next to belinda who's on the show. belinda a

daughter, and we just couldn't believe it. so we had a conversation about brexit, but this is how when it goes wrong, it goes drastically wrong . it goes drastically wrong. >> very frightening. matthew laza. >> so i think it reminds us that we need to keep cash, >> yes. it's a, you know, a lot of us like using our cards most of us like using our cards most of the time, but we need to keep cash as an option. people need need to have the choice. and i think it's a salutary reminder for the younger generation without wanting to sound, like an oldie, that you know, i mean, i asked one millennial if he'd seen a cheque book the other day, and they certainly hadn't. but some of them claim they've never seen cash, which i think is a bit over the top. >> some of them have never seen records. most of them haven't seen records. i don't know what to do because records are becoming trendy again. >> but cassettes are not coming back. >> i've never seen a cassette. >> well, it's a worry because you carry everything on your mobile and we use the apps and they're not secure. >> i myself has been hacked and it's, you know, and it's just going on to a little link that then went on and took everything. and then other people, they got in touch with,

like piers morgan, he went, so he was blaming me, came from my phone. but it is it is really scary out there . and i think scary out there. and i think we've got to just think, you know, everyone wants, you know, to be taken over in the digital world. actually it could be quite frightening. and it's a security risk massively. >> and people land in, you know, i mean a lot of young people go on holiday and they don't get any currency out. they think that they're, you know, they've got one of those online bank accounts which gives you free transactions abroad. so they just rely on that and they try and get through the whole, the whole time abroad without ever getting the local currency in their hand. but it's not just cash.i their hand. but it's not just cash. i was in the post office the other day and literally queuing for ten minutes because these two young women in front of me didn't know really what a stamp was. and so the poor guy they were buying and they weren't just buying one, they weren't just buying one, they were buying 280 quid's worth, and they weren't quite sure just to put like, oh, on each letter, absolutely extraordinary. >> so numerous breaches of this. i mean, remember in the facebook 2021, i mean, there was 500 million people got got their hacked. it was so terrifying. and don't forget, we've had the post office horizon scandal. so

many that you've ruined lives, reputations you need to keep cash as a backup. >> we can't go to a fully cash aside. >> politicians need to really realise that they're going to get into a lot of trouble if they try. and if they try and kill cash. >> yeah, i don't think it's wise, especially under this. but listen, this show's nothing without you and your views. let's welcome our great british voices, their opportunity to be on the show and tell us what they think about the topics we're discussing. let's go to northamptonshire and speak to miranda richardson. not the miranda richardson. not the miranda richardson. not the miranda richardson. she's our miranda richardson. she's our miranda richardson, the gb news miranda richardson, the gb news miranda richardson, the gb news miranda richardson, miranda. hi, nana. hiya. no, i, i saw an awful lot yesterday about cash's king and obviously i work in hospitality. >> so you know, everybody saying , >> so you know, everybody saying, oh, cash is king can't go out. >> that's great. but what you forget is all the systems we work off in order to open those tills are all technical . tills are all technical. >> so it's all very well being able to go into a shop and pay cash for something. but if you can't physically bring it into the register because we're looking for cash and we haven't got cash and we haven't got a

system up and running, there are elements of it that aren't going to work, now for some of it, obviously we, you know, we love to be able to, to use our smartphones . we all have apps. smartphones. we all have apps. we are constantly going on. >> that is life. that is what we do. >> i think one of the biggest issues and i think your your initial panel came some somebody on there said it's got to start with education, education. it's got to start with us understanding what that little bit of kit in our hand does, what that tablet we hand to her children to sit and watch does people expect it? >> that's the way forward. >> that's the way forward. >> now we know that we wouldn't be where we were in the world. >> we wouldn't be talking and broadcasting like we do without it, you know? >> but you've got to educate people a little bit more. so what happens? so many small market, you know, like small cottage industries that are starting out, you know, women, you know, that have got , you you know, that have got, you know, baking companies and cake companies that are smaller and doing their thing. they're all relying on technology to place their orders to be able to get their orders to be able to get their equipment, to get their

kit. and all of a sudden they can't do that, but they're at a loss to what to do next because they don't know, because we don't educate well, because well. >> and also because the power is in the hands of a very few. and it's like a game of jenga. take out that bit and it all collapses. miranda, thank you very much. that's miranda richardson. she's there in northamptonshire. lovely to talk to you. right so what do you think, gbnews.com/yoursay? i will read some out there coming on the way. my difficult conversations. former apprentice star gemma lie—in artigas will be live to give us her story about rags to riches. that's what she did next. i'm angela levin will be here with the latest from behind the palace walls in my royal

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on in the royal household. and this week has been no different. and every saturday, i like to give you a rundown. and who better to do so than royal biographer angela levin? angela? what's happening? what's going on? >> well, one of the things i thought was very interesting is that omid scobie's written another book. >> it's fiction. i'm not saying that the other one was, but this one is definitely fiction. >> and he sold the rights to the universal tv and i'm told it's going to be similar to the crown, now what it is, it's about a press officer who brought in to make a fresh life into fresh life, into buckingham palace communications team. right and they face the challenges and protocol of the royal household. so you can imagine there's going to be a lot of banging about the royal family. >> they're not going to be easy and they're not going to be,

sensible . sensible. >> so that's what it is. he's writing it with a woman called robin benway, and that's the two of them that's done. >> i mean, i think it's a very goodidea >> i mean, i think it's a very good idea to change what he's doing because he can't get help from the palace or anyone to write another biography or bring it up. >> but actually, this, might be dreadful , or >> but actually, this, might be dreadful, or it might be quite good fun, but do you think that he's trying to bring in what was that guy's name? >> who was in charge of all the communications ? and do you think communications? and do you think he's trying to do sort of a kind of mirror? what happened with that guy? i can't remember his name. what was his name? yes, i remember his name either, but i think he would find a lot of nastiness and difficulty with all the staff, all the aides who do their very best and their way of behaving towards the royal family will be very different from what he feels about how people should be behaving as working for the royal family, do you do you think anyone will be interested in it?

>> i don't think they would be, actually. i certainly wouldn't be interested because it's fiction. >> and we know he doesn't like the royal family and he will make it up and he'll try and promote meghan or try and promote meghan or try and promote harry. less so, but definitely meghan. i'm not interested in that. really. >> no, i don't think anybody else is. >> let me move on to king charles. and this is interesting because he did the opening of parliament and he had to read out what the prime minister was saying for him and the prime minister doesn't want hereditary peers . peers. >> and king charles didn't like that. >> he felt very uncomfortable about that. that because most of us know that starmer was against the royal family for a very long time, and he feels that he doesn't want it him to do that with the monarchy. now, we could be in dangerous water here. or in the other hand, it could be something that passes away . something that passes away. >> but it would be very

interesting that that's the first thing that the prime minister has done in changing who goes to the and also obviously, king charles, it being a monarch is a hereditary thing. >> so anything that if you're getting rid of things that are hereditary, it doesn't really it's not really the right ethos , it's not really the right ethos, i think, for the country. and i'm wondering what the direction of travel is with that, because that's a big move to just suddenly do one person he needs to hold a referendum or something like that. i think if you're going to get rid of things that have been set in for parliament many years. exactly. >> that's why i'm telling you, because i think that it's very concerning. >> and if they're doing it one, two, three, they seem in a terrible rush at the moment. >> it's good that they've started with loads to do, but actually you really have to think about these things carefully and you have to think what britain is really like and what britain is really like and what we go for. i mean, i think it's different if a lot of the people in the house of lords are sleeping all the time, because quite a few of them do sleep dunng quite a few of them do sleep during the day, i don't think they should get their money. but to stay that you can't have hereditary peers. i think is much more important than

actually people have grasped so far. >> well, didn't he also try and ban people from going in there if they're over 80 or something? yes. i mean that's that's ageist isn't it, that you can't do that. >> yes. i think that's terrible as well because it depends what you're like, doesn't it? >> i mean, some people are fantastic and phenomenal . and fantastic and phenomenal. and into their 90s fantastic and phenomenal. and into their 905 we see that with all sorts of people now. >> and you can't just stop them because they are 80, because if it were any other environment where it's working, you'd be accused of ageism. >> that wouldn't that wouldn't fly. so i don't see why he should be able to do that. >> anything else? yes, actually, because we have the lovely prince george. george is 11 on monday. wow. >> and so that's a really important age. >> i think you become more like a teenager and more like deciding what you like and what you don't like. i can tell you he likes spaghetti carbonara. >> oh, i love that . >> oh, i love that. >> oh, i love that. >> and he was very sensitive, boy. but now he's come out of his shield and he's actually

enjoys sport in particular. we've seen him with his dad and they're his very outward and they're his very outward and they're hugging each other and jumping up and down and he's, he's been very, very excited . he's been very, very excited. and i think that now, you know, he saw euros and he was he's always there for aston villa . always there for aston villa. and i think it's very sweet that he is now very much a mini boy of his father. they get on brilliantly well and i think it's very comforting for both of them in these difficult times. >> oh, it's lovely isn't it? and i think that's lovely. >> it's very sweet, catherine, very quickly all her earrings, they sold out. she got them for wimbledon. and charlotte's hairstyle is the main thing for any young girl. oh, we love that. her hair done like charlotte's. >> well, i'm going to get a wig like that. then why not? well, listen, angela levin, thank you very much. this is gb news. we're live on tv, online and digital radio. still to come, my difficult conversations do not go anywhere .

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>> hello. good afternoon, and welcome to gb news. we're live on tv, online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua. it's 5:00. welcome and then for the next houn welcome and then for the next hour, me and my panel will be taking on some of the big topics hitting the headlines right now. coming up, joining me for difficult conversations. my guest, general artigas . now, she guest, general artigas. now, she went from being a mum with just £40 in her bank account to making 18 k in 30 days. yes. so

for the great british debate, i'm asking, is lorraine a right to ban the zero hour contracts and clickbait ? did he ask you to come, >> there were people around him that thought it was the right thing that i came. >> i thought you were giving all your time to clacton. >> now, as its newest mp. >> now, as its newest mp. >> yes, but what's more of that interview that everyone has an opinion of? that's, of course, nigel farage speaking to emily maitlis. but first let's get your latest . news. your latest. news. >> nana, thank you very much. the top stories. gps and pharmacies say disruption from the global it outage will continue over this weekend amid warnings of travel delays after flight cancellations. flight delays are persisting as airports and other businesses slowly get back online. it comes as thousands of families start their holidays as schools break up for the summer. banks

supermarkets, most gp surgeries and even major tv and radio broadcasters were among the many who were knocked off line yesterday, and the glitches were caused by a security update deployed by a company called crowdstrike, which affected users of microsoft windows software . in other news, a yacht software. in other news, a yacht has been seized in the english channel carrying a group of migrants trying to cross illegally from france. footage obtained exclusively by gb news shows the 18 foot yacht as it towed into dover's harbour by the border force. our producer counted 86 migrants disembarking from the force's vessel. it comes as hundreds of other migrants launch from the beaches of northern france in small boats. the third busy day of illegal crossings this week . illegal crossings this week. police in south gloucestershire are appealing for help in the search for a prisoner who escaped from hmp leyhill yesterday. gary rotham, who's 42, was serving sentences for driving, robbery and burglary

offences. he was last seen just before 5:00 yesterday afternoon and was wearing a dark nike polo shirt, dark jogging bottoms and black trainers. police say he should not be approached and anyone with information should contact them or crime stoppers . contact them or crime stoppers. meanwhile, a man who escaped from a west london prison while being treated in hospital has been recaptured. graham gomm , been recaptured. graham gomm, who's 63, had been on remand for burglary offences at wormwood scrubs but he absconded on thursday after being taken to hammersmith hospital. he was arrested in south—west london at around 830. this morning in the us , reports suggest. nancy us, reports suggest. nancy pelosi has told colleagues she'd prefer a competitive process to find a replacement for president biden if he drops out. the former house speaker is understood to have pushed for an open primary. instead of directly nominating vice president kamala harris. that could see several candidates from within the democratic party

compete for the chance to face donald trump. with just 107 days until the election. it comes as president biden faces growing pressure to stand aside amid dwindling poll ratings . pay dwindling poll ratings. pay increases in the public sector could cost around £10 billion, which is believed to be more than the government had forecast. independent pay review bodies are reportedly set to recommend pay rises of 5.5% for teachers and nhs staff, but schools and hospitals are unlikely to be able to meet the increase with their existing budgets without making cuts. it could represent a significant challenge for rachel reeves first budget. after promising to clamp down on borrowing and ruling out a string of tax rises dunng ruling out a string of tax rises during the election campaign . during the election campaign. the home secretary says violent disorder that erupted on the streets of leeds was audacious criminality. five people have now been arrested in connection with the angry scenes in the

harehills area on thursday. vehicles could be seen on fire while a police car was overturned, and the riots are believed to be linked to a case involving local children who were taken into care. yvette cooper says those responsible will be brought to justice. >> been talking to west yorkshire police officers and also local community leaders , also local community leaders, about the action they are now taking in response to those unacceptable scenes of disorder and criminality that we saw last night. the community is working very closely together in response to what was a local child protection incident, but it's really important that the community can feel safe on the streets, and also that the perpetrators feel the full force of the law . of the law. >> six time world snooker champion ray reardon has died at the age of 91. the welshman dominated the sport in the 1970s and was widely regarded as one of the greatest ever snooker

players. fellow snooker champion jemmy white has paid tribute to his friend, describing him as a total class act . and a total class act. and a blockbuster new film that's just rolled into cinemas looks set to top the summer box office for combining . combining. >> so faster looks right . >> so faster looks right. >> so faster looks right. >> twisters took just shy of £26 million on its opening friday, putting it almost on par with last year's big money—maker oppenheimer. that's raising hopes of another blockbuster summer, which would be a much needed boost for cinemas. the big budget disaster epic comes 28 years after the original and stars glen powell and britain's daisy edgar—jones . and those are daisy edgar—jones. and those are the latest gb news headlines for now, i'm tatiana sanchez. more from me in half an hour for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news

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british debate this hour, i'm asking, is angela rayner right to ban zero hour contracts? the government have pledged to make work pay with its workers rights package in a bid to ban exploitative practices and enhance employment rights . but enhance employment rights. but is this actually banning zero contracts, zero hour contracts the right decision , then, for the right decision, then, for clip bait? we'll watch more of emily maitlis and nigel farage in that interview. some of your thoughts post your comments. gbnews.com forward slash your say . well, it's now time for say. well, it's now time for this week's difficult conversations and joining me today is former apprentice star gemma ncuti gatwa . now it hasn't gemma ncuti gatwa. now it hasn't been an easy ride. i mean , she been an easy ride. i mean, she looks fabulous, but she found herself homeless and abandoned in london, wondering if she would ever survive and if she could ever build a successful career. she went from being a mum with just £40 in her bank account, to making £18,000 in just 30 days with online marketing. i'm joined by gemma

now. wow, come on, tell me the story. what happened? i want to hear a story. what? >> how long do we have? >> how long do we have? >> 20 minutes. ish. no. talk to me. so what? talk to me about your story. then how come you ended up homeless in london? right. >> so i came to london at 716. >> actually, it was september and i had a boyfriend at the time. >> he had his best friend here, five months down the line, i found out that he cheated on me. i decided to leave where we were staying , which was a very tiny staying, which was a very tiny accommodation in central london, in good street, like the tiniest. it was like five of us living in there. and yeah , and living in there. and yeah, and as i'm walking, obviously hot headed latina, i leave and i told i told everybody i had somewhere to stay so they didn't come and look for me. but i didn't, and i just didn't know where to go. so i remember thinking it was it was a cold. it was january. it was the coldest, one of the coldest january in london. the snow was up to my knee and i didn't i

didn't know what i was going to do. so yeah, i ended up just kind of like going around on the streets now talking about kashechkin. thank god back then there was cash because i could find things on this really on the road. that was the way i was eating and surviving. >> how long were you sort of on the street for ? the street for? >> two weeks. >> two weeks. >> never. >> never. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> did you not like you said. i'm leaving. i'm out of here. then you opened the door. you see the snow, maybe i'll go tomorrow . that would be me. see the snow, maybe i'll go tomorrow. that would be me. i'd be like, i'm out of here. i've had enough . be like, i'm out of here. i've had enough. i'll do be like, i'm out of here. i've had enough . i'll do better than had enough. i'll do better than this. than you go. oh. hang on. no, i'll go tomorrow. >> no, i neveri no, i'll go tomorrow. >> no, i never i just started walking with my bikes and i just, i think at one point of me walking down the street, of course , started raining london course, started raining london and i went down this arcs, and it's a story behind , actually it's a story behind, actually about the apprentice. i went on this arc and that was the second that i stopped. and i remember looking up and i, and i just looking up and i, and ijust started crying and i had no money. i had a very expensive jacket. i spent like £300 of my full budget, which was £800, but i was warm , i had no money, i

i was warm, i had no money, i had no phone, i had nothing, i had no phone, i had nothing, i had nothing, and i'm thinking, what am i going to do? what? why am i going to do now? and in that moment, i was 17. i don't know if he, you know, you have i have a teenager now and i cannot imagine him going through this situation. and i thought, okay, so i've got two options. i've got to call my mum. she can pick me up. i go back home and this is it. this is the end of my story. i'm a failure. i didn't learn the language which i came to do. my ex cheated on me so i'd be left home would be where? venezuela. okay, then. i remember i looked up at this building and there was this people coming out of the building with the little briefcases back in the back in the days they had like briefcases, and they were like , briefcases, and they were like, they had suits and they looked really smart. and i look at them and i said, you know what? no, this is not the end of my story. this is the beginning of my story. i don't know what's going to happen to me. i didn't call

my mom. i never told her until i was about 23 years old. and i remember looking at the people in the building coming out and wiping my tears and saying, i one day i'm going to be like them. yeah, 18 years later, i'm walking into that same building for the apprentice auditions, same building, same building, wearing a suit by force because the apprentice kind of says, the audition says you must wear business attire or a suit . and business attire or a suit. and that was at 360 moment. and i know that was 18 years later. wow. but that was the beginning. and obviously between those 18 years, a lot happened. >> well, give us some of it. >> well, give us some of it. >> what happened? i mean, i got run over by a motorcycle when i was, which was brilliant because i had a bed and food, really. i was going to a interview. my ex got me with his dad. they used to work in a restaurant and i remember getting off the bus. back then there was a double decker bus and they were open. there was no doors and instead of me going at the back of the bus, i go in the front. i was a

little bit lethargic, i was cold,i little bit lethargic, i was cold, i was hungry, and i said, i'm going to cross the road. this motorcycle just literally crash into me. i roll over, i wake up in the hospital feeling great because i'm in a bed, and i haven't been in a bed in a few days. and i remember thinking , days. and i remember thinking, god, i hope i broke something so i can stay here longer, but yeah, the doctor came in and said, it's a miracle you roll over about 710 times, but nothing is broken . you can go. nothing is broken. you can go. >> and i'm like, please let me stay , stay, >> but i got the job as a cleaner, so i used to clean the toilets. i used to wash the plates and clean the tables. i didn't speak english, so i couldn't take orders or anything like that, and. yeah, and then i went on to do a beauty therapist, and i went on to doing events. and it was when i was 34, i just felt like, again, like i was in a point of my life where i've been living this crazy life, like chasing the money, working hard, trading my time for money, working a lot and never having money. but at

this point, i was a mom. and yeah, it was just it was just difficult. so i thought i just, i just need to do something with my life. i was going through a massive spell of depression, you know, feeling suicidal. and i remember opening the laptop, and i saw it . i loved the i saw it. i loved the apprentice. i always said if i was to be on any show, it would be the apprentice. and i applied. i had this idea for an events industry. they sent me a letter and they told me, yeah, we would like to. yeah, we'd like to cast you and come to the casting. and when i am walking down the street and i'm like, this is very familiar. oh my god. and i just started crying. and i remember calling my partner at the time and i was like, i'm gonna be on the apprentice. he's like, you've just gone through the audition. it'5 just gone through the audition. it's like, you don't understand . it's like, you don't understand. it's like, you don't understand. i manifested this, i visualised this, and there i was, and then i made it to the show . yeah. i made it to the show. yeah. really good. >> and of course, you were on the bosch beds. one with bosch beds, where he won. but you didn't. where did you come in

here? no. >> carina won that year. the baken >> carina won that year. the baker, they can bake . yeah, he baker, they can bake. yeah, he would have won a lot of sugar. loved him. they had a little bromance going on, i went on to week seven, but i think i was still struggling with my mental health. okay, even though that l, health. okay, even though that i, you know, i obviously told everybody i was fine, so by week seven, i think there was no much fight in me. left. so i was like, i'm happy to go home and have a large glass of wine. i wanted to go home. >> you had enough? yeah i wanted to see my son. >> he's really tough. the process, it's tough. it's true. you wake up at four, you are exhausted . you're living with exhausted. you're living with a bunch of strangers you've never met before. some of them are very eccentric. it's just a lot. >> so. so after the apprentice, which obviously gave you some exposure, what did you do? what was your next move and how did you come to become this entrepreneur online? >> right. so i think our season,

it was one of the most controversial ones. there was a lot of press around because of the ethnic minority living the first seven weeks, because of obviously there was some love inside the show. we wasn't allowed to be seen publicly, but we didn't care. we still went to every premiere and we tell each other , are you going? and we'd other, are you going? and we'd be like, no, no, no, no, no, no. and then we're all there. and then we're like, oopsie, we get popped. so it was really, really out there. i was i don't know, apprentice is not like love island, right? love island is like you're instant famous. apprentice is very low key. majority of people don't really make a media career out of it. so our one was really, really big. that meant we was getting ianed big. that meant we was getting invited to so many things. red carpet events, you know, everybody starts to know your name, your paparazzi starts to scream your name. they want to take pictures. i was leaving harrods. i think it was selfridges. sorry and there was all this commotion. people trying to take pictures with me. they had to bring the security, take me from the back outside.

this is crazy. i was with my family. they came here from venezuela. so it was a very proud moment. but it was very surreal. but i knew this was a little wave that i was going to ride for five, ten minutes and that's it. so i made the most of it. but what it is that it's very delusional, because this wave went on for a little longer than ten, 15 minutes. once my story came out about being homeless and everything i did and everybody wanted to hear me and everybody wanted to hear me and know what i did in order for me to, you know, become that person that could apply for the apprentice. so, yeah, i ended up, you know, talking in universities, becoming a transformational speaker. so it went on for a little longer. but then a pandemic happened . and i then a pandemic happened. and i think i speak for the whole world, not even the nation , that world, not even the nation, that everything just kind of like stopped you know, and it was just once everything started going back to normal, like people just didn't know what was anymore. and even though i was

trying to do the whole influencing thing, which i didn't like, it wasn't for me . didn't like, it wasn't for me. influence a lifestyle is not really what people think it is like. you don't get paid. i think most influencers are. they're probably, you know, struggling financially. i was broke, i started to struggle financially. i started to going into debt. and i was like, i can't keep doing this. i got to go back to work. so i was doing events. that's what i do. and i was very proud of what i did, but yeah, i used to still get recognised, even that i changed my hair colour. so i don't think people meant to be mean, but it affects you . and this is why affects you. and this is why i always say to people, i really be careful what words you have to say to somebody because you don't know what that person is going through , so they would going through, so they would look at me and they'd be like , look at me and they'd be like, what, what did i know you from ? what, what did i know you from? and salah al—din , you're that and salah al—din, you're that girl from the apprentice, aren't you? and i'd be like, yes. and they're like, oh, so you're doing this now? oh, and almost

like, yes. >> almost like you're sort of disappointed them because you're not doing something bigger, but you're doing quite big things. i mean, you're your social media, for example . that's something for example. that's something you've been doing, although you said you don't particularly like it, but it's worked quite well for you, >> i've always been very open when it comes to social media influencing and all of this stuff. okay. i feel like people showcase a lot of the good and not really what goes behind the scenes. and like the mental struggles, because even doing that kind of thing, me being, for example, a brand ambassador and things like that, i was still struggling mentally. i was still struggling mentally. i was still struggling, feeling like, i don't know, i think everybody feels the same. it's like it doesn't matter how much you do, you just feel like you're never doing enough . and i felt like doing enough. and i felt like again, i went to the apprentice and even i did well, but i didn't win it. and you just get in your head. and here i am. i'm a glorified waitress . i'm in your head. and here i am. i'm a glorified waitress. i'm doing events and it just you start to go down this rabbit hole of self

doubts and you see your son and you think, oh god, i'm 30, i'm 37. >> only 37. >> only 37. >> i thought i was going to have the world 53. you look amazing. thank you . thank you. >> i'm sorry, but i'm old. i love being old. i actually really enjoy it. >> you look incredible. >> you look incredible. >> i can be cantankerous, which is wonderful for wonderful. listen, we're running out of time. so, what are you doing? very briefly. yes. >> so. sorry. yeah we can we can talk a lot about everything, but. yeah. so i wanted to do something online because i felt like i was being judged every time i was on events, and. and i just stopped. and i just wanted to do something. but i went on a rabbit hole for seven, seven months trying to figure it out in august 2023, i found out a digital marketing course that came with resell rights. never heard of it. it was huge in america. it was gone viral. success leaves clue. so it teach me how to actually launch an onune me how to actually launch an online business as a complete beginner . wow. yeah, i didn't beginner. wow. yeah, i didn't want to resell the same product because i never understood how

it worked. but i thought, you know what? i'm going to give it a go. i'm just going to resell it like once or twice to make my investment back. >> what was it you were reselling? the course? >> the course. so it's a done course. it's done. you don't have to create anything. all the slides, everything is done. it's recorded. so i went to on kind of like softly promote it ended up selling three. and then before i knew it , my first before i knew it, my first month, i've made £18,000 from having £40 in my account. and then that was kind of like the eye opener for me. like, okay, i onune eye opener for me. like, okay, i online is the way forward until obviously we have a cyber attack. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> well that that puts a spanner in the works. well listen it's really good to talk to you. i'm really, really wonderful hearing your story. people want to check your story. people want to check you out online. where do they go? >> what's your i'm on my instagram, general artigas, i'm on my dms. >> me a lot of people are struggling to spell that. gemma. >> gemma. lie—in artigas. >> gemma. lie—in artigas. >> see, when i asked you, have i said it right? i haven't, have i? no you have no . oh, that was

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good afternoon. 26 minutes after 5:00. this is a gb news live on tv, online and on digital radio. it'5 tv, online and on digital radio. it's time now for the great british debate this hour. and i'm asking, is angela rayner right to ban zero hour contracts now? sir keir starmer and his new government have vowed to ban them and deliver a new living wage as part of a fresh deal for working people. now this comes in a bid as a in working people. now this comes inabidasaina working people. now this comes in a bid as a in a bid to ban exploitative practices by companies. now some of them i agree with, but angela rayner is leading the charge on this day. >> one basic rights a ban on zero hour contracts, an end to fire and rehire family friendly working, strengthened sick pay, making it available to all workers , including the lowest workers, including the lowest earners and from day one. >> but kemi badenoch warned the deputy prime minister, angela raynen deputy prime minister, angela rayner, has been stitched up by

the labour party . the labour party. >> i can tell the right honourable lady that she has been stitched up. it is quite clear that the bills and policies from the king's speech, she's just referenced have not been written by her or by the chancellor and the chancellor's advisers. we all know this because we watched the member for leeds west announce them in far more detail in her speech last week, and all the stuff the secretary of state worked on in opposition, like her new deal for workers, has been taken off her and given to the business secretary. >> so i'm sorry to tell the right honourable lady that her colleagues, the prime minister, the chancellor and their many advisers have written a manifesto and made promises that are not deliverable. >> and they've hung them around her neck and said, and you go out there and you sell it. >> so is kemi right for the great british debate i'm asking, is angela rayner right to ban zero hour contracts? joining me now to debate this political and business commentator, reem ibrahim, journalist and commentator, rebecca reed and

former leader of ukip, neil hamilton. i'm going to start with you, reem. yeah, absolutely. i think this zara contract is probably one of the worst things you could do for the labour market at the moment. >> i think we should let businesses decide what kind of employment contracts they would like their employees to be employed on. we also know that 19% of those on zero hour contracts are actually in full time education. so if you're a young person, if you're a mother and you want to have children, it makes it much easier for you to then be able to have those flexible working arrangements. i myself was on a zero hour contract when i was a student. if you take that away, you just take away the employment opportunities for millions of people across the country. >> all right, let's go to neil hamilton. >> yeah, well, any self—employed persons on a zero hours contract and as a member of the bar, if i don't get any work, then, you know, i'm out of work , and i know, i'm out of work, and i don't control the work that comes to me . comes to me. >> so this is nothing unusual. if you banned zero hours contracts, all you'll do is make work less flexible and more expensive. and that means

there'll be fewer jobs and actually less well paid jobs . actually less well paid jobs. >> some people will benefit, but a lot of people will also lose out. that's what always happens under a labour government. of course , they screw the economy course, they screw the economy by making it more and more sclerotic with more and more regulations and restrictions. and that means that the general pubuc and that means that the general public also suffers because, you know, take the arrival of uber in this country , to free up the in this country, to free up the taxi market that's been massively to the advantage of most people because it means you you can get a cheaper service and, and something which is more of it than it was before. >> and so if you ban zero hours contracts, you'll just do the same in various sectors of life where these flexibilities have produced new jobs, new industries and new services, which people can buy. >> right. well, let's let's go to let's ask. thank you for that, rebecca reed. are they right to ban zero hour contracts? >> they are for two reasons. so two of the biggest problems that we have economically in this country is that we have 1.53 million people who are out of

work, and we also have an ageing population and a falling birth rate. now, this would help with both of those things in terms of unemployment, a lot of the reason that people don't work is because if you get a zero hours contract, it really messes up the benefit system. if you don't know how much you're going to earn in any given month, you don't know how many benefits you're entitled to, which means you're entitled to, which means you can end up getting chucked off and getting nothing. you can get an overpaid and then have to pay get an overpaid and then have to pay it back. so the benefit system does not work with zero hours contracts, and it means that people don't take the don't take work . because they're too take work. because they're too scared of the system failing them. similarly, if you have a zero hours contract, you don't have any maternity benefits, so you cannot afford to have a baby. in terms of the idea that it's for good mothers, that's just not true. you are not allowed to work and claim maternity, and claim maternity benefit. so in that first year at least, you're certainly not entitled to do both. so fundamentally, this is stopping people from getting back into work. and it's stopping people from having children. the two things we need people in this country to feel able to do right now, but isn't the answer, but isn't the answer not to ban zero hours contracts, but to change the benefit system? >> if that doesn't work because

they actually have full control over that. but if you then put in that, there will be untold consequences for doing that, i can see. >> well, i mean, this is just i mean, just ridiculous. the idea that somehow it's better for those people to then take away those people to then take away those employment contracts altogether. do you think that those, those flexible working arrangements would even exist if it wasn't for zero hour contracts? ultimately if we want the country to again be more competitive, but again , for competitive, but again, for those specific people, we're talking about women that have children, mothers, we're talking about people that end up in flexible working arrangements because they've got other commitments . for those people, commitments. for those people, this kind of policy is just going to hurt them. >> it does sound like, do you have children? >> i myself don't have children. i do , i do, i do >> i myself don't have children. ido,ido,idoone >> i myself don't have children. i do , i do, i do one thing i do, i do, i do one thing i would say about having children and you'll know this nana i can't just pick up work like that. >> if somebody rings you in the morning on a monday and says, can you take a shift this afternoon? if you have a child and they're not in full time schooling, you cannot pick up work flexibly. but children fundamentally, why take away that choice? >> i mean, i'm sorry, but the idea that somehow then banning

it for everybody is going to help those particular people is ridiculous. let them choose. if a mother wants to enter into a zero hour contract, she has the right to do so. if she doesn't, she doesn't have to. why are you taking away? why do you want the government to take away their choice? >> final word to rebecca. >> final word to rebecca. >> read quickly the alternatives. >> either they don't work at all and that's useless for the economy or they end up on benefits. also, usefulness for the economy. what you need is to replace it, not just scrap it and do nothing . replace it with and do nothing. replace it with and do nothing. replace it with a minimum level that you have to give somebody off hours on a regular schedule per week. >> a final word, neil neil hamilton i'm going to give neil hamilton i'm going to give neil hamilton 10s and i've got to go to the news. >> absolute nonsense, isn't it. the biggest problem that we got in this country today isn't what rebecca has described, but that taking on people as employees is so fraught with difficulty and danger that there are so many jobs that we could create that aren't being created. >> okay, neil, i'm going to have to leave it there. i really enjoyed this conversation. i'm sorry i have to cut it short, but i've got to get to the news. neil hamilton, rebecca reid and also reem ibrahim, thank you so much. right. well, what do you

think? gbnews.com/yoursay still to come . we'll continue with the to come. we'll continue with the great british debate this hour. is angela rayner right to ban zero hour contracts? matthew and lizzie will be joining me. first. let's get some news with tatiana sanchez. >> nana. thank you. the top stories from the gb newsroom . stories from the gb newsroom. yesterday's it outage affected nearly 8.5 million microsoft devices and that is according to the tech giant. the company added the figure represents less than 1% of all windows machines, but it was enough to spark chaos at many of the world's airports. flight delays are still persisting as airlines and other businesses slowly get back onune businesses slowly get back online in time for the summer holidays. banks, supermarkets and even major tv and radio broadcasters were among the many others who were also knocked off line yesterday. nhs england is expecting disruption to gp services to continue into next week . a yacht carrying a group week. a yacht carrying a group of migrants has been seized in

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with the weather to improve for the start of the summer holidays. that's despite clouds and cooler weather returning this weekend after the hottest day of the year so far yesterday. the met office says temperatures reached nearly 32 degrees in central london as many escaped the city heat in favour of the beach . but the favour of the beach. but the sunny skies were short lived, with rain and thunder hitting parts of wales and england. today and those are the latest gb news headlines. for now i'm tatiana sanchez. more in half an hour for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code, or go to gbnews.com forward slash alerts . forward slash alerts. >> thank you tatiana. coming up nigel farage defends flying to the us two weeks after becoming clacton mp. but next we continue with great british debate.

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39 minutes after 5:00. this is gb news. i'm nana akua. welcome. if you've just tuned in. where have you been? 21 minutes to go, but still. saturday five is up next. but it's time for the great british debate. this hour i'm asking is angela rayner right to ban zero hour contracts? joining me to discuss ihave contracts? joining me to discuss i have broadcast from colchester lizzie cundy and also labour party advisor, former labour party advisor matthew laza matthew laza. >> so look, i think there are some very sensible things in this bill. >> it's outrageous that the poorest workers haven't been given statutory sick pay before how. >> now. >> that's a good change. it's great that statutory sick pay is going to come in on day one. it's great the flexibility is going to be the choice for workers, and it's great that zero hours contracts are going to be stamped down on because they've been abused. they're not going to be outlawed. >> no, they should be used. she's banning them. she said that, well, there are exceptions. >> i mean, i did a when iworked

>> i mean, i did a when i worked for ed miliband, we did a business conference and somebody in the audience put their hands up and said, can i ask you about zero hours contracts? he went, yeah, sure. and he said, i run a business that recreates murders for the police. and, you know, the sort of and he said, i can't actually predict when they're going to happen. so there are, there are, there are going to be circumstances where they're going to be allowed, but they shouldn't be abused, which is what they have been. >> well, abusing anything is wrong, but banning something that works and a lot of people like is frightening. actually, lizzie, companies decide. >> matthew i'm sick to death of labour telling us also what to do. like we're in some nanny state. there talk of a four day week without a drop in salary. i mean, how does that work? well no, but it doesn't work for productivity for the economy. we've got to get people out there working. they're breeding a load of youngsters that are going to be hermits working from home. what if the digital clinch happens? what are they going to do then? just stare at a, you know, a wall. >> they it's all she's on fire today i think. >> listen you're right. we need to get people back into work. >> and that's why labour's got

its back to work plan, which was announced even before these employment rights. >> well, look at those that don't want to work and want to take the flexible benefits. let's look at them. >> that's why we need to get more people of working age into work. >> and it's why liz kendall has got it back to work at the minute. >> i think labour should be talking about that. stop telling us what to do. oh, keir starmer , us what to do. oh, keir starmer, i can't call out of work hours, you know. >> well he's not going to work on a friday after 6:00. well that's i mean, come on, religious reasons. i'm surprised it's not. >> it was a friday. >> it was a friday. >> it was a friday. >> it is because he has he has he has shabbat with his with his family. >> his wife's jewish on a friday night, i mean, but i'm obviously in an emergency. the prime minister will be available . minister will be available. >> well, you see, you've got to have a human being. well that's fine, he may well be, but the bottom line is this. that you know, if you're saying we're going to ban this for you, but i'm going to do this at 6:00. no, no, no, people should be allowed. just like he's choosing when he's not going to work in his work. people should be able to choose when they want to. and that's why flexibility. >> yeah. that's why flexibility is going to be people working. it'5 is going to be people working. it's going to be the default.

>> but the outcome will be that businesses will go under if they can't. >> i have to say, whatever the reason, i think it's extraordinary that a prime minister would say, oh, it's friday, i'm going to clock off now for whatever reason, their prime minister, they've got to be there 24 seven. >> he clearly is available if needed, but he shouldn't bother saying, i don't know why he said it. >> then if he's available, just be quiet, do it quietly and nobody will say anything. i mean, he works quite hard, but you don't need to put it in stone because that's when people get annoyed because they realise that they can't do that. but this show is nothing without you and your views. let's welcome some of our great british voices, their opportunity to be on the show and tell us what they think about the topics we're discussing. three of you there. and let's start with david from watford. is angela rayner right to ban zero hour contracts? >> no. and i'll explain why i'm 66, my first job was working in a hairdresser, ladies hairdressers at 14. all retail has always been a zero hours. they would phone up, they're busy. can you come in or are you available to work? say between 9 and 12. and if we need you a bit longer, can you stay on? if you take away that option? there are lots of people who cannot

guarantee to work 8 to 12. they go to school, kids at school, they have to work nine until three. >> and so you have to have this ability, the flexibility to say you will be under a contract and the times will be we'll call you, you'll call us and we can work together. >> you can you cannot ban it completely. >> all right. let's go to brian bnan >> all right. let's go to brian brian deegan apparently in edinburgh this time using solihull brian i'm in solihull nana i'm not in edinburgh. he's not in edinburgh. heads will roll. who wrote that? go on, go on anyway. come on brian . on anyway. come on brian. >> they weren't on a zero hour contract. whoever wrote that out i hope, >> but no . look, flexibility i >> but no. look, flexibility i think is important. >> i think look, in terms of zero hour contracts, i think matthew's correct to point out it's not a blanket ban. i don't think anyone's proposing that. it's a sensible approach to it, and i think that in the hospitality industry, for example, when employees can be dropped at a moment's notice because, well, trade is down or

whatever , i think that putting whatever, i think that putting fundamental rights in place for people like that, i think that's i think that's right and proper. i think that's right and proper. i don't think that's unreasonable. >> well, no, we're not talking about rights and, you know, giving people rights to do certain things. but she did say initially she was going to ban them. i heard her very clearly saying that. i mean, they may have started to water it down, but to even say that in one breath out loud, i think is utter craziness. alex metcalfe, you're there in catterick . alex, you're there in catterick. alex, >> ultimately i think it's the employment law, the employment law has become too restrictive, because there are a number of regulations , you know, to which regulations, you know, to which employers have become bound to , employers have become bound to, as a result, employers have reacted to the ever increasing burden of formal employment contracts, you know, such as things as national insurance , things as national insurance, maternity leave, sick pay, pension contributions , notice pension contributions, notice penods pension contributions, notice periods and the inability really to, to part ways. if a business decides to change direction. so i think, the zero hour contracts don't need to be abolished. but

what i think needs to happen is less regulations of the employment market as a whole. so it's easier for employers to employ and to let go of employees. i mean, i'm thinking about industries with seasonal or unpredictable demands, such as hospitality and retail. >> alex, your audio, your audio is a bit. >> alex. alex. your audio. alex. alex alex. contract. alex. >> so , alex, your audio is >> so, alex, your audio is really cracking. >> are you . oh, not working now >> are you. oh, not working now you're already sort out your audio. we'd love to get you back on one time, but your audio is a bit choppy. but we did hear what you said. thank you so much. really good to talk to you. that's a brilliant xander. alex. also brian deegan and also david varne. right. coming up, my quick five quiz. my panel and i are going to chat about stories that caught their eye. next up is clickbait nigel farage flying to the us. just two weeks after saying after

good afternoon . right now, it's good afternoon. right now, it's the, right now. this is time for clickbait. and this is at the moment where presenter emily maitlis speaks to nigel farage. >> did he ask you to come? >> did he ask you to come? >> there were people around him that thought it was the right thing that i came. >> i thought you were giving all your time to clacton. >> now, as its newest mp. >> now, as its newest mp. >> well, i'm allowed to come to america on a trip like this, particularly in these circumstances. >> but why did he need you? >> but why did he need you? >> well, that's a matter for, you know, his team to answer. >> not me. no listen, it was right that i came right for hugh. it was the right thing to do. i have friends, i don't know whether you do or not. maybe you don't, but i have friends. and when they're. when they're in having a tough time, it's ready to go and support them. >> and is that the sense you've got that he's having a tough time right now. >> he nearly died .

>> he nearly died. >> he nearly died. >> do you think he's having a tough time right now? >> he nearly died. >> he nearly died. >> yeah i mean, you know, what does she think's going on there? he nearly died for goodness sake. right. let's see what my panel make of that. joining me, lizzie cundy and matthew laza, lizzie cundy and matthew laza, lizzie cundy. >> emily maitlis has just showed herself up. and you know what i'd say to nigel farage? if he's watching, don't bother with her. she's pathetic. she's trying to trip him up . and you know what? trip him up. and you know what? his friend did nearly die. he did , you know. and if i nearly did, you know. and if i nearly died, i'd hope you'd turn up. i would exactly. it's disgraceful. disgusting. and she's. she's an embarrassment, actually. and you know, good for nigel for, you know, good for nigel for, you know . know. >> well, obviously obviously emily's not here to defend herself , but to, to be fair, herself, but to, to be fair, that wasn't that was a little bit cold and heartless, wasn't it? >> no, i don't think either of them covered themselves in glory. i think emily's interview was peculiar. in what way does. because i think that for nigel farage has just been elected as the member of parliament for clacton, he now represents 80,000 people. it's his eighth attempt to do it. he needs to be

in parliament for the king's speech. yeah. >> a week before, after clacton. >> a week before, after clacton. >> hang on. >> hang on. >> i think he had his friend, had his family around him. it wasn't like his friend was rushing to hospital to see him was keir starmer. >> he's the mp and yet he's been jetting all around the world. is the prime minister right. so nigel is the leader of his party. yes. >> so what's the keir starmer nana keir starmer was in the house of commons for the king's speech. nigel wasn't. >> yeah, but but but listen keir starmer is not sitting in his constituency every day. he's even clocking off at 6:00. you have no problem with that. >> he needs to be in parliament representing the people of clacton. yeah. and if you're in one of the millions of reform voters, you would think that you'd turn up for the king's speech rather than go and make money as a media. >> i think you're wrong. i think you're wrong. but it's time. i think you're heartless, matthew. no, i think he's just wrong, actually. >> right? no. he's wrong. go away. >> hang on. >> hang on. >> it's time for looking after his. >> what did i tell you before? when i said that we. when we run out of time for this, you stop talking and you couldn't help yourself. matthew. this is where we be quiet, please. this. sorry. i this time for the quick fire quiz. the part of the show where i test my panel and some

of the other stories hitting the headunes of the other stories hitting the headlines right now. joining me, lizzie cundy, your buzzer, please. lizzie matthew laza, your buzzer, please. right. let's please play along at home. question one where did ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy meet sir keir starmer in the historic engagement of the two leaders on friday? was it a downing street b chequers or c blenheim palace? >> it was a downing street on friday and palace on thursday. >> i'm going to be different. i think it is, but i'll say blenheim palace, it's downing street, you know, the answer to question two. >> after his triumph at the wimbledon last weekend, how many grand slam titles has carlos alcatraz won? closest answer wins. lizzie cundy 14. matthew laza. four four. he says the answer is four, but on never havei answer is four, but on never have i wanted matthew to win so much after what you did, lizzie. right. question three which british broadcaster had to pause operations on friday morning due to the global it outage? >> question oh sky news lizzie cundy buzzer gb news. >> no, we weren't affected at all. no silly sky news. absolutely right i knew that true or false, the vie and a point to pointed for swifties to become taylor swift superfan

advisers to the museum. true or false lizzie cundy true. it's true . matthew laza it's true. true. matthew laza it's true. well, i knew she couldn't win, so i let her go first. >> i know, i know, you've been great. it is true . great. it is true. >> sadly. well done to lizzie matthew laza. sorry. sadly, lizzie did not win this. >> no she didn't nor last week. >> no she didn't nor last week. >> i was robbed last week. >> i was robbed last week. >> see? well, robbed by getting the answers wrong . so the the answers wrong. so the question today i've been talking with you regarding asking you lots of questions. and today i've been asking whether angela rayner was right to ban zero hour contracts. according to a twitter poll, 32% of you say yes. 68% of you say no. i would say i'm with them . yeah. well, say i'm with them. yeah. well, thank you so much to my amazing panel broadcast and columnist lizzie cundy. thank you lizzie. and also former labour party adviser matthew laza. thank you. and a huge thank you to you at home for your company and for joining me today. do not go anywhere because up next is the saturday five. i'll be back tomorrow . same time, same place tomorrow. same time, same place 3:00. be there, be square. i'll leave you with the weather.

enjoy . enjoy. >> looks like things are heating up . boxt boilers sponsors of up. boxt boilers sponsors of weather on gb news . weather on gb news. >> hello. good afternoon and welcome to your gb news. weather update brought to you by the met office. well, it's certainly been an unsettled start to the weekend, but the good news is it is going to be turning brighter from sunday. and the reason for this unsettled start is because we have this waving frontal feature draped across western parts of the uk, and this is slowly moving its way eastwards, and this is bringing a fair amount of rain across the west, which is slowly moving towards the north—east of the country. still could see some heavy downpours on this rain into the evening as it does so, but generally it is turning drier still. a fair amount of cloud around though, particularly across central and southern parts of the uk, where it'll still be feeling quite mild but where it starts to turn clearer across northern ireland and parts of scotland, it's going to be feeling a little bit cooler now to start sunday morning.

pretty cloudy across the south and across central areas. few dnps and across central areas. few drips and drabs of rain and drizzle, but as that cloud clears it will be turning brighter, particularly across parts of the west and parts of wales. still a little bit cloudier across northern ireland and a few showers starting to feed in across western parts of scotland. but on the whole it is generally turning drier away from the northern isles, where they'll see quite a damp start and that rain will continue to clear its way north eastwards through sunday morning. but on the whole a much drier, brighter day and generally some sunny spells breaking through that cloud through the morning. a bit of a different story across northern ireland. we'll start to see cloud thicken and it will turn quite damp into the afternoon too, but on the whole afternoon too, but on the whole a much fresher feeling day with some sunny spells, some slightly cooler temperatures, but still feeling warm where you do catch the sunshine as we progress into the sunshine as we progress into the evening though, that rain that hits northern ireland into the afternoon will start to feed into western parts of scotland. still, a few showers here in the

far north—west of scotland too, but on the whole another dry night. plenty of clear spells. we'll be feeling a little bit fresher than of late. two quite a changeable week ahead with some slightly cooler temperatures, but temperatures are on the rise and where you catch the sunshine it will still be warm. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers sponsors of weather on gb

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