and journalist danny broadcaster and journalist danny kelly, and also broadcaster and author christine hamilton in a few moments time, we'll be going head to head in the clash with businessman and campaigner ben habib and also former labour defence minister ivor kaplan . defence minister ivor kaplan. right, coming up in today's show, do you trust labour on migration then for nana nigel, i'll be giving you my verdict on london's albert memorial, considered highly offensive. i think some of the words there were colonialism and empire . and were colonialism and empire. and this week my outside guest is the presenter and an extremely recognisable figure in both radio and television. she once went out with a rather famous chasen went out with a rather famous chaser. can you guess who she is then? in clip bait. what do you think happens next? we're on a motorway. it's about a four lane motorway. it's about a four lane motorway. a car stops and is indicating to leave, but the car that stops in the middle lane.

before we get started though, let's get your latest news headlines. >> good afternoon. it's 3:01. i'm ray addison in the gb newsroom. the us donald trump says nobody warned him of a possible threat in the moments before he was shot by a gunman in pennsylvania. in an interview with fox news, the republican nominee said the lack of information was a mistake and the event should have been delayed. it comes as the secret service faces questions over how the would be assassin was able to wander outside the security perimeter before taking his position on a roof, even after local officers had reported him acting suspiciously. >> nobody mentioned it, nobody said there was a problem and i would have waited for 15. they could have said, let's wait for 15 minutes, 20 minutes, five minutes, something nobody said. i think that was a mistake. how did somebody get on that roof and why wasn't he reported? because people saw that he was

on the roof. >> well, meanwhile, kamala harris insists president biden will win the us election despite continuing pressure on him from fellow democrats to stand aside. the vp was making the case to stick with the 81 year old, even as some big money donors expect him to end his campaign this week, she's increasingly being seen as a possible replacement for her boss, though former house speaker nancy pelosi is understood to be calling for a competitive process to select a new nominee . and if you've ever new nominee. and if you've ever thought american elections are stranger than fiction , the stranger than fiction, the creator of the west wing says the democrats should nominate mitt romney , comparing calls for mitt romney, comparing calls for president biden to stand aside to a storyline in his classic tv drama. aaron sorkin writes in the new york times that romney would peel off enough republican votes to win, probably by a lot. the former governor of massachusetts was the republican nominee in 2012, losing to none other than barack obama . normal

other than barack obama. normal levels of service at gp surgeries will take some time to come back after friday's global it outage, the british medical association is warning that gps need time to catch up on lost work over the weekend, after the tech glitch knocked a computer system, knocked a computer system, knocked a computer system used by gps offline. the outage was caused by a faulty security update that was deployed to around 8.5 million windows devices . jeremy hunt has windows devices. jeremy hunt has apologised for failures in the uk's pandemic preparations, highlighted by the covid inquiry in its first report. the inquiry found the former government had failed the public due to what it called significant flaws in preparing for a pandemic. the former chancellor and health secretary acknowledged that he had been part of what he described as groupthink, where there was over preparation for a flu pandemic. while other types weren't considered well, the chancellor say she's hoping to

boost our pension pots by £11,000. rachel reeves believes a review of retirement savings could unlock billions more in investment, with schemes encouraged to invest in assets such as infrastructure. the treasury says it would boost economic growth and ensure better returns for savers. mr reevesis better returns for savers. mr reeves is due to chair a meeting with the pensions industry on monday. james murray is exchequer secretary to the treasury. he told us smarter investments can help grow the economy. >> we know that by the end of this decade there will be around £800 billion of assets in defined contribution pensions. now we want to see that money working harder for pensioners and making sure that pensioners are getting the best possible return that they can, and that it's also more of it, is invested in productive activities in the uk economy to help get economic growth up across the uk . across the uk. >> and finally, police have named the victim of a daylight shooting in south london. 20 year old jessie lloyd smith was shot in the peckham area shortly

before 5:00 in the evening on the 10th of july. police say mr lloyd smith's family are being supported by specially trained officers as their investigation continues. one more for you a hate crime investigation is underway after three pride flags were vandalised outside a forest gate railway station in east london. the met police is appealing for information after the pavement paintings were covered with spray paint in the early hours of friday morning. it follows previous incidents in june which the force believe are linked. officers have been trawling cctv making house to house enquiries and even conducting forensic investigations, but so far no arrests have been made . okay, arrests have been made. okay, those are the latest gb news headlines. for now, i'm ray addison more in half an hour for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code or go to gbnews.com forward slash alerts .

slash alerts. >> welcome aboard. this is coming up to seven minutes after 3:00. this is gb news well britain's news channel i'm nana akua. now before we get stuck into the debates over the next houn into the debates over the next hour, let me introduce you to my clashes. joining me today is businessman and campaigner ben habib. and also former labour defence minister ivor caplin . defence minister ivor caplin. right. so here's what's coming up in this hour. the home secretary has announced that immigration officers previously assigned to the rwanda scheme will now target nail bars and car washes this summer. but do you trust labour on migration? is that enough? the chancellor says that she's hoping to boost her pension pots by £11,000. but where will the money come from? and are pensioners safe? under a labour government, the european union is set to demand access to uk waters in return for a renewed relationship with britain . labour has always britain. labour has always advocated for close ties with europe , but do you believe that europe, but do you believe that labour will bring back about

brexit in name only, or perhaps continue it ? because that's all continue it? because that's all we've got so far? all new mps have been issued with panic alarms amid concerns over safety as conservatives have been being warned that they could go bankrupt . so is it game over as bankrupt. so is it game over as the tories tell me what you think of everything we're discussing some of your thoughts, post your comments gbnews.com/yoursay . so a big gbnews.com/yoursay. so a big crackdown on immigration officers will target nail bars and car washes. this summer. and thatis and car washes. this summer. and that is according to the sun on sunday. now, the home secretary, yvette cooper, says 1000 civil servants who were previously assigned to the rwanda scheme will now staff a new returns and enforcement programme . enforcement programme. meanwhile, the week exclusive footage for gb news captured dozens of illegal migrants on their way to britain . keir their way to britain. keir starmer still hasn't found anyone to front the new border commander unit. he promised stop illegal migration. >> we must also tackle it at source so today i am announcing

£84 million of new funding for projects across africa and the middle east. >> that includes humanitarian and health support, skills training, help with job opportunities and access to education. >> this is a vital part of gripping the migration crisis . gripping the migration crisis. >> well, joining me now is gb news political correspondent olivia utley. so, olivia, we've heard keir starmer's plans with regard to migration. yvette cooper has talked an interesting game. nail bars and also car washes. tell us a bit more about their plans. >> well keir starmer has a sort of multi—pronged approach to tackling the illegal migration problem. one of those ideas is to essentially increase the number of civil servants who are working on the paperwork for sending migrants who've come here back to, if not where they came from, then another third country, yvette cooper, wants to introduce a thousand new civil

servants in that enforcement role. those will essentially be pen pushers, unsurprisingly, perhaps, that that hasn't sort of caught the imagination of the british public. and there are other strategies that keir starmer is pursuing too, one which you heard a little about. there is this idea to give more funding to african nations where we are seeing large numbers of migrants come in from in the hope that, you know, if the training and schools and education programmes are improved in those countries, there will be less of a pull factor for migrants to come over here. the third prong of this strategy is what yvette cooper is talking about today, which is this returns and enforcement plan. so all of the civil servants who were working on the rwanda scheme, the conservatives rwanda scheme, the conservatives rwanda scheme, the conservatives rwanda scheme, which has now been made null and void by this new labour government, have been redirected to work on essentially busting, places, places of work where illegal migrants might be and sending them back to where they came from. so nail bars is an obvious

one, garages to now, this might be a sensible idea, but for keir starmer , there is a bit of a starmer, there is a bit of a problem in that there's quite a long lead time on most of these ideas, yes . long lead time on most of these ideas, yes. if you start sending migrants back, if you make sure that there aren't people living here illegally, then eventually that might filter through to some of the migrants in calais. but it will all take quite a long time. and it won't see an immediate reduction in the number of boats coming over here. and as we know, there have now been you know, over i think it's nearly 2000 migrants who've come over to the uk since keir starmer became prime minister. and the optics of that really isn't good at all. >> that seems a bit naive, to be honest with you now, but if people know you're coming, then they'll move from those spaces. so i don't know how effective that will be. now, what about pensions? what's happening with that? because it feels as though the labour party are moving towards potentially taxing pensioners. >> well, rachel reeves, wants to

she's talking now about introducing this, this new plan for , for pensions whereby her for, for pensions whereby her hopeis for, for pensions whereby her hope is that the pension pots will end up being boosted. she wants to get lots more private investment into british pensions . investment into british pensions. now, this is all part of her national wealth fund, which she's been talking about quite a lot over the course of the election campaign. she says that for every pound that's spent by the state, she wants there to be another £3 of investment from businesses . labour has got businesses. labour has got a pretty good relationship with those businesses . they spent those businesses. they spent a lot of the campaign wooing, senior business figures, but obviously there is also there is something which is being talked about at the moment, the other side of this, the flip side, if you like, is rachel reeves has some very, very expensive plans because starmer has some expensive plans too. we've heard today that teachers salaries will be raised by 5.5, and if that measure was repeated across the entire public sector, which one one expects it might be because if teachers get it, then

i expect lots of other public sector workers will want it too. that would cost £10 billion. how is that going to be funded? well, keir starmer said repeatedly over the election campaign that he would not be increasing the three main taxes on working people . so national on working people. so national insurance, income tax and vat . insurance, income tax and vat. what about pensioners? what about those who benefit from capital gains? what about those who benefit from inheritance tax?it who benefit from inheritance tax? it does sound like we might be hearing quite soon some sort of back door, tax increases. or if not, then we could see some some public sector cuts and perhaps some sort of repetition of the austerity that was so unpopular under george osborne. >> olivia utley, thank you very much. that's olivia utley gb news, political correspondent. right. well, welcome to the clash. and again, sue, my clash as businessman and campaigner ben habib, also former labour defence minister ivor caplin. i'm going to start with you, ben habib. so it's not going to raise taxes on working people, although that's an interestingly loose definition. i we do have a clip of him explaining what that is on lbc. we may play that to

you, but how are your thoughts? what are your thoughts on the immigration plan that they're putting forward now? bars, car washes, border commander there's nobody who will headed up yet. >> yeah. so let's just. can i take border command first? >> take border canal. >> take border canal. >> border command is bringing together the national crime agency. border force, the immigration enforcement service, which is the one that's clamping down on vaping bars and so on, the crown prosecution service and m15 and the idea behind bringing them together is to give them common purpose communication between them and to tackle the people smuggling gangs. but what would be noticeable to any layman on the street is that every one of those agencies is already trying to clamp down on illegal migration, and every one of those agencies, crucially, is a domestic british agency. it has no mechanism to go to france and break the people smuggling gangs, which are not in the uk. they're not coming across with the dinghies to the uk. this is a european issue . the people

a european issue. the people smuggling is taking place across europe in significant part because europe has downed its borders in the pursuit of ever closer union. you know you have the schengen zone, so once you get into greece, actually you can make your way all the way to calais virtually without being stopped. and if the french had the wherewithal, inclination and ability to break the people smuggling gangs, they would have done it. they clearly don't. and there's nothing keir starmer can do with this newfound border command, even if it's vested with what he calls counterterrorism powers. >> but at least he's thinking about it either. >> kaplan well, he is thinking about it. i don't think there's any doubt about that in everything, he said. >> actions speak louder than words, though. >> action do speak louder than words. >> and after what is it? two and a half weeks in government? it's going to take time. it is going to take time. there's no point pretending you can do something immediately in in government circles. >> but how much time do you think ? because i mean, that is think? because i mean, that is time is of the essence. well, we've already had 2000 people coming across, so he hasn't got

much time. >> but but, but under the conservatives there's been what, six years? >> we know . listen six years you >> we know. listen six years you know we could talk about them and laugh until the cows come home. but they are not in charge now. no they're not labour party. no they're not. >> and you're right about that of course. and the issue about can you do something quickly? i think that's very, very difficult, partly because of what's just been said in relation to it is happening in france. it's not happening in, in our, our waters. so to speak. and that makes it much more difficult in some circles for britain to do things. but you've got to try and have proper strong relationships with france and with the rest of europe, because that may be necessary as these things progress. and that's how you're going to have to do that internalised organisation within this country. >> yeah. and the point is that he's making is that they're going to go for nail bars, car washes. i mean, come on. that's

that's what are they going to do with them when they get them the crown prosecution service, it's such a backlog. anyway, he's put more people in civil service. >> so it's an amazing piece of journalism in one of the newspapers, i think today or yesterday, i'm not quite sure that that's actually what's going to happen. >> well, can i, can i just say thatis >> well, can i, can i just say that is not a minuscule problem . that is not a minuscule problem. vape shops, nail bars , barbers, vape shops, nail bars, barbers, car washes. this is the front of money laundering for the drug industry right across the united kingdom. we don't see much of it in london because they can't afford the premises in london. but any provincial town has now got a multiplicity of barbers and the kind of businesses that i've described, described, and it is it is money laundering taking place in front of the police and absolutely no enforcement taking the point. >> the point about that is that's why keir has been clear on saying, i want to try and stop the gangs who actually run all this to start with. >> but my issue with keir is

it's a bit like the conservatives. you rightly point out how six years to sort this out how six years to sort this out and did two halves of nothing, but they did a lot of performative legislation and a lot of public, you know, public declarations of intent. and that's what keir's doing. this border command cannot break the people smuggling gangs. the other thing keir is doing is signing up to the european union's resettlement scheme for illegal migrants, which is basically the allocation of illegal migrants to come to europe, but across countries. >> hold that thought , ben. we >> hold that thought, ben. we will come back to that because we're going to get stuck into that in just a few moment. but why not? let's talk about this. there's plenty of time to grab a chance to win £30,000 in the great british giveaway. it's our biggest cash prize of the year. what would you do with all that money? here's how you could win. >> don't miss your chance to win our super summer giveaway with your chance to win £30,000 cash. our biggest cash prize to date, which means you get to spend every single penny however you like. what plans would you make

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only? 22 minutes after 3:00. welcome. this is the clash . 22 minutes after 3:00. welcome. this is the clash. i'm nana akua. we are live on gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. now, as we touched on before the break, the chancellor, rachel reeves, says that labour are hoping to boost pension pots by £11,000 in the latest bid to support growth. now. she stated that a review of retirement savings could unlock billions in investment while the treasury says it would boost economic growth. but our pension is safe under a labour government. ivor capun under a labour government. ivor caplin absolutely 100. >> they are safe under a labour government, i can assure you of that. >> is it? and i don't mean obviously like, you know, the dooris obviously like, you know, the door is going to be broken down. i mean, in terms of, you know, they can't work. so it feels like labour government are going

to be introducing taxing of pensioners or. >> well, i'm not sure about the taxing issue at this point. i think there is a period of time thatis think there is a period of time that is going to be needed to look at some of these issues in relation to pensioners and how you want to go forward in a longer spell. and i think, you know, 1 or 2 things of what rachel has said over the last couple of weeks are her starting to look at what the budget, when it comes into, you know, i assume at some point in october will start to look like because that's when you actually deal with the major things that are necessary to start building where you want to get the growth. that is absolutely essential. if the uk is going to be in a better position than it has been most of the last few years. >> i think it's concerning that they said they're not going to raise taxes on working people. pensioners don't work. so i'm wondering this extra money that pensioners also vote tory. >> so exactly. it's sort of open game. >> well not many of them last, not many of weeks ago.

>> no, no. true. but you know, typically but i mean, i think the biggest, the bigger issue here is actually the damage that's already been done to our pension funds. massive damage has been done over the last 14 years, ever since quantitative easing started when the government became very hungry to raise finance because it was bailing the banks out. then it wanted to lock us up at home. the way they did that was to change regulations on pension schemes, making it prohibitively capital intensive for pension schemes to do what they traditionally used to do , which traditionally used to do, which is prohibitively capital intensive . intensive. >> what do you mean by that? >> what do you mean by that? >> so if so, to explain it in detail. if they bought government bonds, there was no requirement to make a capital reserve, what's called a capital adequacy requirement. when you make an investment as a as an insurance company or pension scheme, there's a certain amount of capital you need to put aside in case that investment goes wrong. and you need a buffer for government bonds, the buffer was zero to invest in property. for

example, the buffer was 25% of the value of the property . and the value of the property. and for investing in in in equities i'm going by memory. i'd have to fact check myself. but it's about 10 to 15% to invest in equities. and by by burdening the pension schemes with these capital requirements. what pension schemes did over the last 14 years was divest themselves of investments in uk company shares. they used to be predominantly invested in uk plc buying public company shares, bolstering the stock market, creating a capital market for the uk. and they are now virtually nana virtually 95% invested in government bonds . invested in government bonds. and that's why, when interest rates move , pension schemes have rates move, pension schemes have a have a, have a complete heart attack because they can't cope with the reduction in value that happens when bonds collapse with interest rates going up, which is what happened with liz truss , is what happened with liz truss, and what we've got to do is reverse this incentive , this

reverse this incentive, this pressure that's been put on pension schemes to buy only government bonds. we've got to incentivise them now to do what they traditionally did, which would be the capital providers for british business by removing these restrictions on them. i don't see anything from rachel reeve in that regard. >> well, you know, it does sound quite complex, but basically what you're saying is they have to have a certain level of reserve before they can invest in certain things, and they've got to remove the requirement for those reserves so that they can be more adventurous, use that capital that they're holding to be more adventurous. >> and that would be hugely beneficial for the united kingdom right across the board. >> but isn't it almost like an insurance policy to make sure they do have that reserve if there's a big market crash? >> yeah, but they never used to. and you want them invested in equities. equities is where growth is. equities is what drives the british economy not government bonds. >> it depends if they feel that the markets are stable. and i think that's the issue is everything feels very stable. this will definitely be part of the budget. >> whenever the budget is going

to be. that's when we will get to be. that's when we will get to some of these points. they do come out. they do come out. >> the problem rachel's going to face is under european union regulations, these capital adequacy requirements are absolute written into stone. so if keir starmer wants to take us closer to the eu , he's going to closer to the eu, he's going to have real issues. >> speaking of the eu, i mean, they're set to demand access to uk waters in return for a renewed relationship with britain. but british fishermen are of course, of course, blaming the labour government for trading away their rights. labour has openly pursued closer ties with europe and recently this week hosted a gathering of numerous european leaders at blenheim palace. but you believe labour will bring about brexit in name only or pretty much carry it on from the tories, is what i see, because we didn't really get, in my view, what was deemed a proper brexit. but, this is worrying that they're prepared to sounds like the labour party are prepared to trade fishing rights. >> we have been clear on this nana you know, it's clear we're not going to try and go back. we're going to accept the position that we're in. but there has to be a longer and

better relationship between the united kingdom and the eu countries. and that's at the heart of what, the other day at blenheim palace, i think was about it laid forward a lot of ideas that were coming from both both everyone really . and also both everyone really. and also you can then get into the conversations , for instance, conversations, for instance, about defence because of ukraine being there and all those sort of things. so there are a lot of issues that affect the european union . and of course, it's union. and of course, it's sensible for us to have a positive relationship, but not the rules that come from being , the rules that come from being, a member of, of, of the eu as they do, you know, as we did in they do, you know, as we did in the past. >> were you a brexiteer, can you say, or i'm not a brexiteer, i'm a full on remain person and i and i wish we had remained because i still think that is the strength. >> but you have to be realistic about, where a government, a new

government is going to be and what could happen. and i think by saying, by laying out, sorry, nana quickly, i just flowing out, laying out what we're not going to do in that respect, particularly freedom of movement and some of those issues. i think that's a good start to going forward. >> i don't know whether people trust keir starmer, because he has done a lot of u—turning in the past. and not just that, but the past. and not just that, but the fishing right things to me is concerning, i don't know, what do you think ben habib well, the fishing industry was thrown under the bus by boris johnson, >> it's a complete lie. and let's just get this straight, because people on my side of the debate don't seem to understand the facts. the trade and cooperation agreement gives back about 25% of british fishing rights to british fishermen. between when the agreement was signed in 2026, and there's a myth that in 2026, we get complete control of our fishing waters. let me be clear to all viewers. we do not get control of our fishing waters in 2026. whatever the allowable catches

are in 2026, they're set in stone in perpetuity. unless there is a mutual agreement, and any agreement can be mutually varied . mutual agreement between varied. mutual agreement between the two parties, or there is socio economic and environmental reasons to change that quota. but if the uk changes the quota unilaterally, using that proviso , unilaterally, using that proviso, socio and economic and environmental reasons, the eu can punish us under the trade and cooperation agreement by, for example, removing our rights to fly jets across the european airspace. so we haven't got back control of our fishing and what the european union here is effectively saying, effectively saying between the lines is if you want a closer relationship with the european union, you will have to come pretty much back into the common fisheries policy, which did so much denuding of british waters over the years that we are a member of the of the fishery policy. but the other thing i just want to quickly say is that the

problem with the brexit, we've got is that we have all the regulations that we had when we were part of the eu. none of the representation. and where i take issue with remainers front on is the idea that we want a close economic relationship with the eu. we don't. it never worked for the united kingdom when year in, year out, we had a £100 billion deficit in trade with the eu, effectively because german industry is subsidised both by the government and by a ridiculously low valued euro. what we needed to do was to break completely with the eu , break completely with the eu, deregulate our economy and become an independent sovereign nation, trading on its own capabilities, not boris johnson's responsibility. >> and he didn't do it. >> and he didn't do it. >> he didn't do it. he didn't do it. he didn't do it. i agree with you. he didn't do it. >> he highlighted the fact that the deals that we had with the

eu is we can't even leave it anyway. we can't leave and we've left northern ireland behind. >> apart from anything else, we think if we brexit, that would change. >> we'll carry on with this. but you just joined us. welcome on board. yes this is gb news. we're live on tv, online and on digital radio 32 minutes after 3:00. coming up, is it fair to penalise second home owners? but first let's get your latest news with tatiana sanchez. >> nana, thank you very much and good afternoon. the top stories this hour from the gb newsroom. donald trump says nobody warned him of a possible threat in the moments before he was shot by a gunman in pennsylvania. in an interview with fox news, the republican nominee said the lack of information was a mistake and the event should have been delayed. it comes as the secret service faces questions over how the would be assassin was able to wander outside the security perimeter before taking his position on a roof, even after local officers had reported him acting suspiciously . and in his

acting suspiciously. and in his first rally since that assassination attempt, donald trump told supporters he took a bullet for democracy. >> he appeared alongside his vice presidential running mate, jd vance, in michigan , their jd vance, in michigan, their first joint appearance. >> trump is hoping to win the crucial swing state that president biden took in 2020 and showed a fighting spirit . showed a fighting spirit. meanwhile, kamala harris insists president biden will win the us election despite continuing pressure from fellow democrats to stand aside. >> the vice president was making the case to stick with the 81 year old, even as some big money donors expect him to end his campaign. >> she's increasingly being seen as a possible replacement for her boss. back in the uk, the chancellor says she's hoping to boost our pension pots by £11,000. >> rachel reeves believes a review of retirement savings could unblock billions more in investment, with schemes encouraged to invest in assets

such as infrastructure. >> the treasury says it would boost economic growth and ensure better returns for savers and a hate crime investigation is underway after three pride flags were vandalised outside forest gate railway station in east london. >> the met police is appealing for information after the pavement paintings were covered with spray paint in the early hours of friday morning. officers have trawled cctv footage made house to house enquiries and conducted forensic investigations . and those are investigations. and those are the latest gb news headlines. for now i'm tatiana sanchez . for now i'm tatiana sanchez. more in half an hour for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code or go to gbnews.com forward slash alerts . slash alerts. >> coming up ,

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all right. welcome on board. if you've just tuned in. where have you've just tuned in. where have you been? it's coming to 39 minutes after 3:00. and then a nice here on gb news right. it's time for the clash on. thousands of households are set to face a huge council tax hike as local authorities target second home owners. councils are due to make millions and claim that the money raised will be used to fund local services and housebuilding. another tax has been put in place to deter the purchase of a second home. a move to attempt to stop displacing local communities, particularly in holiday destinations. but is it fair, really, to penalise someone for actually being able to afford a

second home either? captain, i'm coming to you first. yeah >> yes. if people want to have a second home for some reason, that's all fine. but everyone has to pay council tax and that's something that you have to make sure happens. because what has happened in the last few years is the council tax has constantly been reduced by governments , and that has meant governments, and that has meant that services that local authorities of all, of all sorts , authorities of all, of all sorts, not not not particularly political sorts , but they can't political sorts, but they can't actually do everything they need to do. and if you've got maybe a big authority, then it makes it that much more difficult because you're probably doing education and, and you know, some, some element of, of health as well. and you're trying to make it work for your people. and that's just not happening in a way. and we need to relook at that whole issue of , of where people should issue of, of where people should be able to get , issue of, of where people should be able to get, but issue of, of where people should be able to get , but people are

be able to get, but people are charged council tax on a second home anyway. >> i mean, you are or, but usually it's a bit of a discounted rate if it's got furniture and then you pay. but if it's before, if it was empty you could get away with not paying you could get away with not paying anything. but the rules have completely changed. >> well, this is this is penalising them. it's twice the council tax. they have to pay double the council tax. yeah. it used to be half the council tax. if you had a second home now it's double. and i have some sympathy obviously with your view that people should pay their council tax. if you own a property. but what this is symptomatic of well it's symptomatic of well it's symptomatic of well it's symptomatic of two things. one, the breakdown of local councils across the country unable to afford to discharge their obligations. and there's a whole host of reasons for that, including net zero right at the heart of it. but also it, it attests to the utter failure of the united kingdom to keep up with the number of homes that are required to be built in this country, and the appropriate homes for the people who need them, which is also partly to do with the unbridled immigration that we've experienced, particularly in the last five

years. but over the last 27, sorry, forgive me. you know, we've had far too much immigration. we've had more people come to this country in the last 25 years than in all of history before that. >> but building, building homes is going to be a really interesting but difficult area, because what's going to happen is someone's going to say, we need we need 1000 homes here. and then everyone is going to who lives there is going to say not here, not here. and it's that nimbyism that actually drives this not happening. >> yes, of course, was shown by at least i think , 12 or 13 at least i think, 12 or 13 members of the cabinet, the labour cabinet themselves, who showed a high level of nimbyism themselves. now rachel reeves has said that she's a yimby now. yes. in my backyard. yeah but but i think the labour policy is disastrous, if you don't mind me saying so. >> you know, they're going to take green belt, they're going to turn it to be green belt. they're going to take stuff that is currently termed green belt. it's not it's not green. call it grey belt. they're going to redefine belt. grey belt. >> there are there are areas. there are areas.

>> but can i just finish say it's disastrous because they're going to build absolute monstrosities . cheap build monstrosities. cheap build produced to the lowest possible standard but completely disproportionately insulated in to order meet net zero. one of the biggest problems with new build now is mould because of the regulations for net zero. but the other thing, the other thing that really gets me down is the hollowing out of town centres right across the united kingdom, where you've got a restrictive planning regime, where offices above shops should be converted to residential ahead of ripping up our green belt. but they aren't because of the regulations in place to the second home bubble money. >> it's not green belt, it's green belts. >> it is grey and no, but that's a new term. it is new. but but, but it's not what you might regard as green belt. and what we all regard as green belt is, is what he regards as green belt. well, i regard green belt as those places that are full of, you know , hampstead and all of, you know, hampstead and all all those sort of areas. what

we're talking about is areas where there is a reason to, you know , car parks, which happen to know, car parks, which happen to be in for some reason , set aside be in for some reason, set aside as part of a green bill. but what so what's so those sort of things could could be used. so it's possible to do that. >> yeah. so what's going to happen to all those thousands of acres now that are being covered in solar farms. are they going to be developable in the future? is that, you know, because they're not green anymore. they're just covered in solar panels. >> this is the moment when i'm absolutely pleased that i'm not in government again. you know, i mean, i don't really want to make decisions like they need to, but that, that, that, that is an understandable series of decisions that are going to have to be made if you want to create 1.5 million new houses or new housing for people, but then you're going to have to make decisions. >> we wouldn't need that. >> we wouldn't need that. >> why can't you put solar panels on panels on top of the houses you're building, and try and get more people with solar

panels on their own homes? >> but there are some really good examples of that, aren't there, which we need for food. >> and also there are animals in the environment who are going to die. the result of this, i mean, it's extraordinary. >> there are examples of very good solar powers across, various places. i mean, of, of brighton beach. we have a wind farm just there, you know, you can see it as you're as you're sitting on the beach. >> these examples of solar panels in great praised places. well many countries have stopped doing it. >> there certainly are some here that that do show that to happen. but it is extraordinary for the amount of damage being done to our environment in the pursuit and because of either directly or tangentially, because of the pursuit of net zero. >> i mean, putting these solar panels right across thousands of acres of greenfield, which you rightly point out is going to be really damaging to the environment. and by the way, they they create little weather areas of their own. these solar panels are not happy with them at all. >> i think that they need to have a good thing. think about this, because i don't think it's a reasonable idea to put a load of solar panels over hundreds and hundreds of acres of

farmland, but what do you think? gbnews.com forward slash your say? i'll read some of those, if you've just tuned in. welcome c nana nisi. we're live on tv, onune nana nisi. we're live on tv, online and on digital radio. this is the clash coming up at for my monologue nana. nigel, my verdict on this ridiculous nofion verdict on this ridiculous notion that the london albert memorial is apparently highly offensive. next, is it game over for the tories?

great. welcome on board. this is a gb news. i'm nana akua. it's just coming up to 49 minutes after 3:00. and it's been reported today that all new mps have been given a panic alarm as they're facing extraordinary levels of abuse and threats and all that. while the tory leadership race is underway and it's been claimed that the conservatives could find their party bankrupt, as they've been warned, donors may not come forward until rishi sunak

successor is put in place. i mean, is it game over for the tories? >> benhabib it is game over for the tories. it's been a very long decline for the tories. you know, they used to have 3 or 4 million in their membership. they now have 150,000. and in the pursuit of better finances , the pursuit of better finances, they someone in the party thought last year was a good idea to increase the membership fee from £25 to £39 a year. i don't know if you saw that a 56% increase. and of course, what you do when you increase a fee for something that's already declining in popularity is accelerate the end. fewer people are going to want to join up. and i think one of the reasons the tory party is on its knees is because of the collapsing finances . they've got a lot of finances. they've got a lot of large donors, too, by the way, have left and will not go back to the conservative party. many have come to reform and they will stay with reform. and then the other thing that just tangentially i want to mention is one of the reasons i think the conservative party was such a prolific election winning

machine , in touch with the machine, in touch with the people of this country was because it had a very large membership, 3 or 4 million people, to which it listened, and it is now completely hollowed out its membership. and it's not in touch with the electorate. yeah well, it lost, i think, with the whole thing with liz truss, where the members wanted her and they didn't listen. >> they should have listened. i mean , that's the very least they mean, that's the very least they should have done. >> you do have to take what the what the public say seriously. yeah.i what the public say seriously. yeah. i think if, you know, obviously i can look at that from, you know, 2017, 2019 and even, you know, 20, 2015 and you know , when things are wrong, you know, when things are wrong, you know, when things are wrong, you know, that. and just to think that you can ride over that because you had one good idea, you know, as , as a, as a, as a, you know, as, as a, as a, as a, as— you know, as, as a, as a, as a, as an institution , you can't get as an institution, you can't get away with that. so you have to rebuild and we've had to do that over these last four and a half years. >> i mean, the tories have a sense of entitlement, which is way beyond reality. and they've had a very rude awakening, and

it's going to get worse for them. it's not going to get better. >> well, they would argue that they're just trying to change their leaders. and i think they did have the reputation of being one of the most sort of, you know, cutthroat parties. and they've cut their own throats to be. >> i definitely wasn't i definitely wasn't expecting that through . through. >> oh, dear, >> oh, dear, >> yeah. i don't know what to say after that. i do think i mean, you know, listening to jeremy hunt this morning, i did, for the first time hear someone senior in the party actually say, you know, apologies . and i, say, you know, apologies. and i, you know, it was wrong. what we got to and all those sort of things that he he comments. got to and all those sort of things that he he comments . and things that he he comments. and that's a very reasonable position to for take a member of parliament. but he's only going to be one of that, whatever it is, 110 or 120, and it's not going to make any difference unless the party actually does start to look at what it needs

to do. we have to do that after getting rid of corbyn, and i'm pleased that we did . and under pleased that we did. and under keir starmer at least, that change has really worked. >> it just depends if they listen to each other and anybody else i don't know whether there is that. but listen, we've had lots of messages coming in. ox says wind farms produce super expensive electricity and only when the sun is shining, good point. cares. referring to what you said , ivor, a car park on you said, ivor, a car park on green belt will be there for a purpose, such as visiting the green belt. our green belt should be preserved for our wildlife and the enjoyment of future generations. i agree with them. and then james downey, he's a member, says, don't worry ben and nana trump, when he is in office, is immediately cancelling the fake phoney net zero climate scam. he stated this again yesterday at the rally in michigan. he called it out as a global money making scam, which is what it is, and the wisest of us knew all along. god bless trump. that's what we're getting out there. if he can do it, if he can do it, i think he probably can, and then on council tax and everything

else, nick says, why should landlords be penalised for local councils wasting funding on snowflake projects? all of double rates on property goes. it proves , or add to that all it proves, or add to that all the red tape and like scotland you will have empty properties stood piled by banks and hedge funds. now this is interesting isn't it, that that's the views of our viewers. yeah good thoughts. they're so clever. they're really . they're really. >> and that's another reason we should listen to the people. listen. they know what's going on. well, we are we are the people's channel as you know that gb news we're live on tv, onune that gb news we're live on tv, online and on digital radio. >> stay tuned . loads more to >> stay tuned. loads more to come. i have a nana nigel. where i'll be talking about the albert memorial as to why it's suddenly become something that is terrible and you hear the words what is it? whatever. but listen. still to come the great british debate. sir, i'm asking, do you believe labour will stick to their pledge on tax? let's get an update with your weather. don't go anywhere.

>> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on gb news . news. >> hello. here's your latest weather update from the met office. for gb news, we'll see a mixed bag of weather across the uk during the week ahead. most of us are seeing some outbreaks of us are seeing some outbreaks of rain at times, but when the sun pops through, it should feel pleasantly warm for the time of yeah pleasantly warm for the time of year. we'll see a ridge of high pressure moving in from the west, giving plenty of fine weather across many areas today. but notice low pressure gathering out there towards the west of ireland and that'll start to push outbreaks of rain in across northern ireland, eventually reaching parts of southern scotland and the north of england into the early hours of england into the early hours of monday, some of that rain turning quite heavy in nature by monday morning itself, whereas towards the north we'll see some clear spells and outbreaks of rain will also work in across wales and the far south—west of england, but elsewhere across england, but elsewhere across england and wales. we'll see some clearer spells holding up at 14 or 15 celsius. so quite a mild night in the south, but certainly quite chilly under the

clear spells towards the far north of scotland. so the new working week gets off to a fine start across the far north of scotland. 1 or 2 showers, but plenty of sunshine to start monday here, whereas across central and southern parts of scotland, more in the way of cloud around, there'll be some outbreaks of rain locally on the heavy side and a few heavy bursts still across parts of northern ireland into parts of northern england too. so a pretty damp start across these central parts of the uk. further south, outbreaks of rain moving in across wales into some western parts of england, whereas across central, eastern and southeastern england, monday gets off to a fine start with some sunshine around and temperatures not doing too badly at this stage either. as for the rest of monday, well, it's the central slice of the uk, northern ireland, southern scotland and the north of england, which will generally see the worst of the conditions. outbreaks of rain giving way to sunshine and a scattering of showers. some of the showers could well turn quite heavy, even thundery into the afternoon across england and wales, outbreaks of rain clear away towards the east, giving way to a much brighter afternoon and some brightness towards the far north of scotland too. in the sunshine in the south—east we'll see highs of 24 or 25 celsius into the evening on monday.

further outbreaks of rain will pushin further outbreaks of rain will push in across northern ireland. we'll hold on to some showers across parts of scotland, the north of england, across parts of wales and the south west of england too. elsewhere, a fine end to the day fine for many around the middle part of the coming week. but by thursday we'll see further outbreaks of rain moving in from the west and quite warm and comes. >> looks like things are heating

>> hello . it's 4:00. welcome to >> hello. it's 4:00. welcome to gb news we're live on tv, online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua. and for the next two hours, me and my panel will be taking on some of the big topics hitting the headlines right now. this show is all about opinion. it's mine. it's theirs. this show is all about opinion. it's mine. it's theirs . and of it's mine. it's theirs. and of course it's yours. we'll be debating, discussing and at times we will disagree, but no one will be cancelled . and one will be cancelled. and joining me today is broadcaster and author christine hamilton and author christine hamilton and also broadcaster and

journalist danny kelly. now in my nigel. in a few moments time, i'll be discussing the ridiculous decision of the royal parks to brown the albert memorial as highly offensive, really. and then stay tuned for the great british debate. and so i'm asking, do you believe labour will stick to their pledge on tax? and in case you were wondering, this is how labour leader sir keir starmer defines a working person. >> person i have in my mind, nick, when i say working people is people who earn their living right, rely on our services and don't really have the ability to write a check when they get into troubles . troubles. >> yeah, those they're not going to raise taxes on those people, that sounds like everybody coming up. my outside guest is a showbiz journalist who's interviewed big names including anton du beke and lady colin campbell. have you guessed any closer? she's often sporting a very good looking swimming suit as well on her instagram. right, anyway, she's on the way. but guess what happens next? now in this clip we have this little

this clip we have this little this car driving. it's on the motorway. it's like a 4 or 5 lane motorway. and then you see it sort of come to a stop . but it sort of come to a stop. but what happens next? stay tuned. but before we get started, let's get your latest news with tatiana sanchez . tatiana sanchez. >> nana. thank you. the top stories this hour. donald trump says nobody warned him of a possible threat in the moments before he was shot by a gunman in pennsylvania. in an interview with fox news , the republican with fox news, the republican nominee said the lack of information was a mistake and the event should have been delayed . it comes as the secret delayed. it comes as the secret service faces questions over how the would be assassin was able to wander outside the security perimeter before taking his position on a roof , even after position on a roof, even after local officers had reported him acting suspiciously. >> nobody mentioned it. nobody said there was a problem and i would have waited for 15. they could have said, let's wait for

15 minutes, 20 minutes, five minutes. something nobody said. i think that was a mistake. how did somebody get on that roof? and why wasn't he reported? because people saw that he was on the roof. >> meanwhile, kamala harris insists president biden will win the us election despite continuing pressure on him from fellow democrats to stand aside. the vice president was making the case to stick with the 81 year old, even as some big money donors expect him to end his campaign. she's increasingly being seen as a possible replacement for her boss, though former house speaker nancy pelosi is understood to be calling for a competitive process to select a new nominee . process to select a new nominee. and if you've ever thought american elections are stranger than fiction, the creator of the west wing says the democrat should nominate mitt romney, comparing calls for president biden to stand aside to a storyline in his classic tv drama , aaron sorkin writes in drama, aaron sorkin writes in the new york times that romney would peel off enough republican votes to win , probably by a lot.

votes to win, probably by a lot. the former governor of massachusetts was the republican nominee in 2012, losing to barack obama back home. normal levels of service at gp surgeries will take some time to come back after friday's global it outage , the british medical it outage, the british medical association warns. gps need time to catch up on lost work over the weekend after the glitch knocked a computer system used by gps offline. the outage was caused by a faulty security update that was deployed to around 8.5 million windows devices . jeremy hunt has devices. jeremy hunt has apologised for failures in the uk's pandemic preparations, highlighted by the covid inquiry. in its first report, the inquiry found the former government had failed the public due to what it called significant flaws in preparing for a pandemic. the former chancellor and health secretary acknowledged that he had been part of what he described as groupthink, where there was over preparation for a flu pandemic,

while other types were not considered. the chancellor says she's hoping to boost our pension pots by £11,000. rachel reeves believes a review of retirement savings could unlock billions more in investment, with schemes encouraged to invest in assets such as infrastructure. the treasury says it would boost economic growth and ensure better returns for savers. mr reeves is due to chair a meeting with the pensions industry tomorrow. exchequer secretary to the treasury james murray told gb news that smarter investments can help grow the economy. >> now that by the end of this decade there will be around £800 billion of assets in defined contribution pensions. now we want to see that money working harder for pensioners and making sure that pensioners are getting the best possible return that they can, and that it's also more of it is invested in productive activities in the uk economy to help get economic growth up across the uk . growth up across the uk. >> in other news, police have

named the victim of a daylight shooting in south london. 20 year old jessie lloyd smith was shot in the peckham area shortly before 5:00 in the evening on the 10th of july. police say mr lloyd smith's family are being supported by specially trained officers as the investigation continues and a hate crime investigation is underway. after three pride flags were vandalised outside forest gate railway station in east london, the met police is appealing for information after the pavement paintings were covered with spray paint in the early hours of friday morning. it follows previous incidents in june which the force believes are linked. officers have trawled cctv, made house to house enquiries and conducted forensic investigations, but so far no arrests have been made and those are the latest gb news headlines. for now i'm tatiana sanchez. more from me in half an hour for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign

up to news alerts by scanning the qr code or go to gbnews.com forward slash alerts . forward slash alerts. >> good afternoon. it's fast approaching seven minutes after 4:00. this is gb news. we are britain's news channel. we're live on tv, online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua . digital radio. i'm nana akua. things have been quiet on the wallflower of woke merry go round. and i had hoped that this sort of thing had gone away, and that common sense had finally returned. as we focus on the extremely serious issues that face this country and indeed the world. but oh no, just when i thought it was safe. here we go round again. the target. this time is one of the most recognisable landmarks in london. standing at 176ft tall, the albert memorial, built by queen victoria. not literally. you know how the woke amongst us

like to interpret things that way, dissecting language in its most clinical form to find offence. anyway, the albert memorial was commissioned by queen victoria in 1862 to honour her late husband, prince albert, and was built ten years later, a year and a century before i was born. now situated in hyde park, the monument depicts a gold statue of the prince alongside four groups of large statues, which represent the four continents of the world asia, america, africa and europe. now the statues representing asia include a woman on an elephant. america is represented by a nafive america is represented by a native american with a bison. africa shows a woman riding a camel, and there's a white european woman reading a book to a black african. the black african tribesman. now the royal parks website claims that these statues draw on racial stereotypes. apparently, the extra detail in the african bit, according to the victorian guidebooks at the time, was supposed to represent prince albert rising up from barbarism.

the royal parks, who manage parks in london, deemed it as highly offensive because it reflects a victorian view of the world. i've heard it all now of course it reflects a victorian view of the world. it was built in the victorian era by request of queen victoria. shock, horror and it only reflects this view if you even know what that is . if you even know what that is. but how you interpret this incredible piece of artwork, well, that represents the history of this great country is , history of this great country is, frankly, down to you. i mean, so what if that's what was meant or thought of them ? why would this thought of them? why would this be offensive? surely you could at least appreciate the fact and the feat of this artwork, which is quite impressive even now, especially given the tools available in the day. i mean, it's totally it's an incredible feat. there's even an intricate network of tunnels built underneath it. frankly, it's amazing . and on the 150 year

amazing. and on the 150 year anniversary, a daily mail journalist , anniversary, a daily mail journalist, robert hardman, went on a tour of those incredible tunnels and he said, it goes on and on like the catacombs, until you realise that you're actually going round and round a series of concentric circles. this is a monument in itself to the technical rigour and pride which went into the victorian engineering . exactly. surely engineering. exactly. surely that tells you more about the victorians. they were impressive . victorians. they were impressive. on the royal parks website it states , though the empire has states, though the empire has traditionally been celebrated as a symbol of british supremacy, many today consider this view as problematic because colonialism often relied on the oppression and exploitation of people, resources and culture. colonialism and empire are . colonialism and empire are. you're on your own. look there is nothing wrong with artefacts that remind us of a bygone era. we've moved on, we've evolved.

but it doesn't mean we should forget where we came from. those are the building blocks to where we are now. it's so easy to forget history. these monuments are a reminder of our past failures and our successes . failures and our successes. rather than indoctrinate a narrow view into the minds of the innocent, why can't we be allowed to innocently view a piece of art and appreciate for just that? but before we get stuck into the debates, here's what else is coming up today for the great british debate this houn the great british debate this hour. i'm asking, do you believe labour will stick to their pledge on tax? the new labour government has said to give teachers and nurses an above inflation 5.5% pay rise to avert further strike action, but experts are warning there can only be paid for by raising taxes or increasing borrowings. so for the great british debate this hour, i'm asking do you believe labour will stick to their pledge on tax at 450? it's worldview time or cross live to los angeles to speak to paul

duddridge. he's the host of the politics people podcast and get the latest from what's going on in the us. plus we'll go live to uri geller to get the latest from israel. then at 5:00, my outside guest, well, she's a well known showbiz journalist who recently experienced heartbreak when her relationship ended with a well—known chaser that's coming up in the next houn that's coming up in the next hour. as ever, send me your thoughts, post your comments. gbnews.com/yoursay . right. let's gbnews.com/yoursay. right. let's welcome again to my panel, broadcaster and author christine hamilton, and also broadcaster and journalist danny kelly. right? yeah. little laugh. that's a nice little chuckle there. >> you always giggle when you introduce me, which in turn makes me giggle. >> and i get embarrassed about giggling. >> don't be silly. >> don't be silly. >> there's nothing wrong with giggling. >> let's all do it. what? >> let's all do it. what? >> girls? 321 ha, girly, right, danny, what do you think? i mean, come on. well, look, it's astonishing . astonishing. >> i don't know who is offended by this. well we do. it's the

it's the parks, charity and royal parks is the charity. and like a lot of charity charities, it seems to have been infiltrated by the mind virus that elon musk famously termed it. it's an artefact. we're talking about a historical artefact 150, 70 years ago, something like that . and that's something like that. and that's what it was like at the time. yeah, it's like going into a museum. guess what? you're going to see a bit of history, but i don't think anyone in their right minds, anyone who walks through this fabulous park, would actually sit there, stand there, study it, and be offended. it's a conversational piece. it's something that would trigger a conversation. young kids would say mum and dad, what's that elephant for? what does that symbolise? and why is that white woman reading a book to that black guy? it gets people talking. we can't escape our history. history is permanent . it's indelible. we permanent. it's indelible. we can't erase it. unlike a lot of people who wish we could erase it by toppling statues. maybe like in bristol, or i don't know what the hell they're going to do with this. with this statue. what? what are they planning on doing? >> it's 170ft high doing? >> it's170ft high on top of

six. i mean, look, this. it's because they complained . because because they complained. because it depicts the victorian era. well, of course it does. it's meant to. >> i mean, he was the husband of queen victoria. exactly. believe it or not, that monumental statue was supposed to be on top of the albert hall. >> can you imagine? and then they realised it kind of, sort of got bigger and they realised that that was ridiculous. you can't whitewash history, you just learn from history. >> and frankly, the royal parks, they should stick to picking up litter, deadheading flowers and fining speeding cyclists. it's ridiculous . fining speeding cyclists. it's ridiculous. i'm surprised because recently the head of the royal parks , it used to be loyd royal parks, it used to be loyd grossman. yeah. >> still is. >> still is. >> no, it's dame mary archer now. at least she's british, as loyd grossman was american as far as i'm aware. >> so he obviously doesn't understand british history, boston british history. and it's part of our history. any more than you can whitewash the colosseum or the pyramids or the parthenon or the great wall of china, they all represent regimes that we wouldn't necessarily approve of, but they're part of history. >> i mean, prince albert was an amazingly educated, cultivated man. he was responsible for the

great exhibition, which took place in hyde park . that's why place in hyde park. that's why it was the statue was sited there . that was the view of the there. that was the view of the world. when the statue was commissioned. what's wrong with that? we've moved on. well, it's colonialism and empire. >> do you know, the thing is, it's a charity. it's reliant on donations. i think if i was the boss of a charity, i would make sure that everyone was apolitical. just do not take a side on anything that's political, because we're reliant on on the vast majority of people who think that this is dumb. we're reliant on them giving us donations. it's like shooting ourselves in the foot. if you're a charity boss, i honestly think it's a two minute wonder. >> nobody's going to be worried about it. they'll just go on admiring it and thinking, what an amazing piece of work. >> well, well, that's the whole thing of it really is astonishing. >> go up close to and really look at it. >> it's incredible. i mean, think of how they managed to even make that statue and get it there. i mean, as you said, it was going to be on the albert hall. it didn't go on there. but imagine they've actually got it there and they've all it's an incredible feat. and all the

catacombs underneath it and the tunnels, i think it is significant. >> it's really i wouldn't be so dismissive of it, christine, being a two minute story, because part of this, part of the, for example, the recruitment drive away from this story, you can be sure that they'll be full of box ticking. okay. so maybe a guy a white guy goes for a job, but if that's part of their dna that part of their culture about diversity and everything, i guarantee you there'll be certain certain people missing out on jobs because of certain. >> but but we don't know. we don't know. we don't know that, danny, i mean, you i mean, you can make that assumption just by this because they're so focused on dei. but but we don't know that. >> but it's part of a trend, isn't it? it's old white men that they're against. >> and prince albert was now dead. >> old white man. >> old white man. >> they're doing it all over the place. i mean, in cardiff, for example, there's a guy called general picton who was a hero. he was the highest ranking person to be killed at the battle of waterloo. >> he was an absolute hero. he changed the course of the battle. >> and you could say that wellington wouldn't have won it without him. he was brilliant. anyway, his statue in cardiff, where they have a hall of

heroes, it's been boarded up. >> is that right? >> is that right? >> absolutely. and there's a huge obelisk at carmarthen which they wanted to pull down. he was born in pembrokeshire. it's happened because he went on to be governor of. >> i think it was the seychelles, i can't remember, which was under spanish rule and he had to impose spanish law and they didn't like the way he treated people, the way he meted out the spanish law. >> other countries, other countries would be laughing at us because other countries would you go to spain or wherever you go and you see that they're proud of their history. they've learned from it. hopefully, if they haven't, then they're reminded of it at least. and they will not be ripping down statues. and in fact, in some countries, i'm sure it's against the law even to deface or do anything bad to a statue, you would you would not get away with it. >> so, well, churchill's a divisive figure, isn't he? with the indian subcontinent during the indian subcontinent during the war, but there's good and bad in every person, so there's good and bad in everyone. >> you're right. you literally cannot. >> simply. the next call would be maybe to rip down a churchill statue. >> well, i think they were planning that. some people wanted to try and do that in bristol in, in the, in the

harbour. >> and they were they're let off completely scot free. >> well yeah. >> well yeah. >> they were found not guilty. whether you agree with the well they were found not guilty taking a statue down and throwing it. >> i bet if you or i. >> christine they were found not guilty. >> yeah. no, they were found not guilty. >> but i saw what i saw as well. >> but i saw what i saw as well. >> i saw we all saw it, but listen, what do you think, gbnews.com/yoursay. we'll read some of those out. now, listen, before we move on, there's still plenty of time to grab your chance to win £30,000 in our great british giveaway. it's the biggest cash prize ever here on gb news that money could be yours. here's how. >> don't miss your chance to win our super summer giveaway with your chance to win £30,000 cash. our biggest cash prize to date, which means you get to spend every single penny however you like. what plans would you make with an extra £30,000 cash in your bank account? take your family on the ultimate holiday. buy that treat that's always seemed out of reach, or just put it in the bank for a later date. however you'd spend it. make sure you don't miss out for another chance to win £30,000 in tax free cash. text cash to

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good afternoon. it's fast approaching. 23 minutes after 4:00. this is gb news. we are the people's channel. i'm nana akua. don't forget as well. you can download the gb news app. check out all the shows on the channel. but it's time now for the great british debate this houn the great british debate this hour. and i'm asking, do you believe that labour will stick to their pledge on tax? now? sir keir starmer is pledging that labour's labour government is set to give teachers and nurses above average pay rises. that's 5.5. despite warnings from the institute of fiscal studies. now such a move can only be funded by extra borrowing, a higher taxes or cuts to public spending. take your pick. the new prime minister is said to be open to handing public sector workers and above inflation rise in order to avoid a row with the unions, who obviously have a strong hold on his party. so what do you think ? if they what do you think? if they offered, they want anything less? the unions could

potentially push forward for a strike. however, this presents a keir starmer with a dilemma as he repeatedly ruled out raising taxes on working people and spending cuts during the election campaign, raising the possibility that he'll be forced to break one or both of these after just two weeks in office to avoid strikes. >> well, in relation to taxation, i do need to be really clear. we are not going to increase income tax. national insurance or vat. and the reason for that is because i think with the tax burden being as high as it is and a cost of living crisis , that is the wrong thing crisis, that is the wrong thing to do, particularly for working people. so we're not going to do that. >> but what is a working person ? >> but what is a working person? well, let's have a listen. according to sir keir starmer, this is what he said. person i have in my mind, nick, when i say working people is people who earn their living right, rely on our services and don't really have the ability to write a check when they get into trouble . check when they get into trouble. working person sounds like i think everyone i know, right? so

i don't know how this is going to work. so for the great british debate this hour, i'm asking, do you believe labour will stick to their tax pledge to join me to debate this former mp and labour mp, minister ivor kaplan, businessman and campaigner ben habib, chief economic advisor to the centre of economic and business research. vicky price, also political commentator peter spencer vicky price i'm going to come to you. first of all, how are they, how in your view, can they possibly fund this without raising taxes on working people ? raising taxes on working people? >> well, it depends what we mean by working people. >> i think what you're quite right to point that out, that this is a sort of rather ambivalent type of definition that has been given in terms of not being able to write a check when you're in trouble, many people don't have checks, of course, any longer, but in reality, i don't think there is any budget that has been made so far to accommodate anything like a 5.5% increase. so what will have to happen is that the government will indeed either have to borrow or raise taxes, not necessarily national insurance contributions or income tax or vat, which has

been pledged not to be touched, but lots of other things. but at the same time, i think there must be hoping that because of higher growth in the economy right now, there may have a bit more of room for manoeuvre , more more of room for manoeuvre, more of a leeway, because, you know, we're doing slightly better than before. in fact, we're growing reasonably fast. so far. and if thatis reasonably fast. so far. and if that is the case, then a, payments for people on benefits will be going down up to a point. although of course, we still have cost of living crisis and increases having to take place there too, including minimum wage and so on, for the pubuc minimum wage and so on, for the public sector. but also, what they're hoping for is that people will be to a considerable extent, feel considerably more confident, in terms of going out and spending more because inflation is coming down, interest rates will come down and therefore their coffers will be, you know, filled up with a lot of revenues which they otherwise would not have received. and i think that's why they are probably, hoping. >> right ? >> right? >> right? >> yeah, they're hoping for that. peter spencer, what do you

think ? think? >> well, in the short term, it feels a little bit like a rerun of the story in the odyssey of scylla and charybdis. >> that that odysseus had the choice of either getting half his crew eaten by a man eating monster, or the whole lot of them drowned in a whirlpool. he has got a very, very complicated, equation to balance here. and on the face of it, it doesn't look like it can possibly be done. but he's i mean , ministers are indicating mean, ministers are indicating there could be a little bit of wiggle room here. and as is rightly been pointed out, some of the economic pressures are off in that inflation is quite low , interest rates coming down low, interest rates coming down and the economy growing, but, and the economy growing, but, and the economy growing, but, and the other point that he really has to his advantage is the fact that the unions have a vested interest in preserving a labour government. and so there's as wiggle room there as well. i mean, we're not back in

the days of harold wilson and beer and sandwiches in number 10, but i suspect that if he can find if the government can find some sort of midway between what what what the independent review bodies have, have , have bodies have, have, have recommended and, and you know, what they can actually afford, then i suspect that that it will not be. it certainly won't be as hard as it was for the previous government. >> right. ivor kappler yeah . >> right. ivor kappler yeah. kaplan. even. kappler. change the name , the name, >> i agree, actually. i think that there is every opportunity to do this. we've we've set out the areas that we won't don't want to , increase. but in want to, increase. but in general terms and in particular about these particular independent, suggestion on you know, on teachers on the nhs,

possibly on the police, etc, etc. these are key key workers. and if that means that we've got to give them a bit more than we, we'd expected to, then i don't think that's wrong. and that's not outside what we laid out in the, in the election. >> where does it end though. i mean obviously it was the independent review body that determines how much they get paid and the pay rises, which is good.the paid and the pay rises, which is good. the government potentially have put these people in place so that they'll listen to what they say. but there is a risk that if they don't, then we'll probably have a strike. i'll go to benhabib. benhabib. yeah. >> so i mean, i don't think it's just these pay rises. you know, when you look at the king's speechit when you look at the king's speech it starts very optimistically saying, talking about the need for growth in the economy. and as vicky price indicated, the only way really to square this circle is if the economy is growing. but when you read the measures that the labour party are bringing in, they're all highly regulatory. they are burdening business in this country. and what we're going to see is anaemic growth at best. vicky mentioned you

know, our growth is slightly better than planned but or forecast initially. but actually our growth is terrible . i think our growth is terrible. i think it's 0.7. and everyone's kind of, you know , whooping and of, you know, whooping and saying, that's fantastic. in order to be able to afford the kind of measures that the labour party is going to institute, we need really good growth in the economy. two and a half to 3. it ain't happening , particularly ain't happening, particularly under the highly regulated agenda that the labour party are going to bring in behind them . going to bring in behind them. and we won't see tax rises, maybe for six months. but we will within 12 to 18 months. we will within 12 to 18 months. we will see taxes going up either by stealth or by direct increases. all right. >> so on that bombshell, then do you trust them to stick to their pledge of not raising those certain taxes? benhabib, >> no government is ever stuck to a pledge on tax. >> so that's a no. >> yeah, that's a no. >> yeah. ivor kaplan, do you trust them yes or no to i don't think there's any doubt we will stick to those three taxes. >> and they, they won't be changing. but there of course

are other taxes that may, may have to be changed as we go forward. >> they're going to stick with no raising of tax or vat at national insurance or income tax. yes correct. you believe them in that pledge, spencer? peter spence. ofwat. kwasi. spencen peter spence. ofwat. kwasi. spencer. peter spencer. yeah >> i think that the what we call me, whatever you will not, i think the, the commitments are cast iron, but i think they might get a little bit rusty around the edges. >> yes, that's that's that's. >> yes, that's that's that's. >> i know you don't. half and half. yeah, it's half and half. and vicky pryce, do you believe that they can actually even stick to that? not raising vat, national insurance and income tax . do you trust them on that tax. do you trust them on that pledge? they won't do it. >> yes. for a while at any rate. but i think they have a lot of, room to raise other taxes. so people are talking about capital gains tax being looked at again. what happens to pensions , wealth what happens to pensions, wealth taxes, inheritance tax, all those will be, looked at quite carefully, i think, to see what

they can do in terms of giving a bit more revenue to the government. but i think also there will be more borrowing. >> i think at some point provision will be made to just decide that a lot of what they're spending on is actually investment, and the investment seems to be something that is allowed for and by in terms of borrowing by the labour government. >> thank you very a lot. >> thank you very a lot. >> thank you very a lot. >> thank you. thank you very. it was a yes or no, but i think you know, vicky's really clever and knowledgeable. so good things to say. thank you very much. to former labour mp and minister ivor caplin. also ben habib, business man and campaigner, chief economic advisor to the centre of economic and business research. vicky price , also research. vicky price, also political commentator peter spencen political commentator peter spencer. thank you. right. what do you think at home gbnews.com/yoursay coming up, we'll continue with the great british debate. this i'm asking, do you believe labour will stick to their pledge on tax? you'll hear the thoughts of my panel broadcaster and author christine hamilton was a broadcaster and journalist danny kelly still to come, my outside guest. we talk highs, lows and lessons learned and what comes next on the outside and today i'm joined by

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welcome back. this is gb news. be on britain's election. no news channel. the election's done, it's done. it's over. i'm nana akua live on tv, online and digital radio. right. it's time now for the great british debate this hour. and i'm asking, do you believe labour will stick to their pledge on tax? so keir starmer is pledging labour government is poised to hand teachers and nurses an above average 5.5% pay rise, despite warnings from the fiscal studies institute that such a move could have to be funded by extra borrowing, higher taxes or cuts to public spending. so do you think they can do it? the minister is set to open to handing public sector workers. they're open to giving them an

above inflation rise. but what do you think, keir starmer, he's in a bit of a dilemma. so let's find out what our panel make of that. joining me now broadcaster and journalist danny kelly and also author and broadcaster christine hamilton. but the question is, yeah, let's go to them first, >> no, they can't do it without no labour. >> government since 1970 has left office with taxes lower than when they arrived. >> so no, it was all they were very careful during the campaign to make sure that these promises were all fairly, fairly wishy washy. and if they give this 5.5% across the board, that is going to cost £10 billion, which is easy to say, but it's a monumental amount of money. but they've raised expectations. we know a lot of the strikes previously were against the tory government and people think labouris government and people think labour is a soft touch, so they are going to expect it. but we have a national debt which is already 100% of gdp. >> the interest alone on the national debt is £100 billion per annum. >> the nhs spending per annum is 150. >> so it's two thirds of that.

so we are colossally in debt. >> there is no way they can pay for these things without raising taxes or cutting services. >> well they're not going to do that. keir starmer tax raises what keir starmer said he's not going to raise taxes on working people. let's have a listen to his definition of a working person. i'll have to hear this again. >> person i have in my mind, nick, when i say working people is people who earn their living, rely on our services and don't really have the ability to write a check when they get into trouble. >> as vicky price did points out that people don't write checks anymore, but what does that even mean? >> it's all relative, isn't it? that mean? what does that mean? what a load of flannel. a working man who may not have the ability to write a check if he's in. how much trouble you need to qualify that nick ferrari on lbc should have said, hang on. okay, i understand how much trouble. what are you talking? put a figure on it, please. >> well, i think nick, what are we talking, ten grand. five grand. nick did question him on that. and did he? yeah, of course he always does. >> christine said something really interesting, and i think

you're right, christine. the mood music now between the unions and the government is a lot more conciliatory and there's something so tribal in there's something so tribal in the politics with the conservatives and the unions. and now with this new labour administration and the unions, so will they break their pledge? i don't think keir starmer is a liar, and i don't think if keir starmer is, keir starmer would have been, if you like, in negotiation without being in negotiation without being in negotiation without being in negotiation with the unions well before the election, because there was a landslide, they knew that they were going to have to meet them at some point. so this will all be forward planned. it will all be forward planned. it will all be financially projected correctly. i don't think he's going to break his pledge. i don't you don't think he will? i don't well listen. no i don't think he's a liar. and i don't think unless something comes a my lips, as it were. >> how do you know when a politician is lying? when they're. >> when their lips are moving? >> when their lips are moving? >> well, yeah. >> well, yeah. >> they were very careful during the campaign not to make too many specific pledges. >> well, they've been very they've been, they've been very careful not to make any prejudice apart from that specific one about national insurance income tax and vat. we'll be watching closely. but this shows nothing without you

and your views. let's welcome our great british voices, their opportunity to be on the show. tell us what they think about the topics we're discussing. let's go to kidderminster, the home of carpets carpet, where john reid is. john reid. right. what do you think? do you do you trust them not to raise taxes where they say on national insurance, income tax that working people . working people. >> yes i do nana absolutely. the man has said it and the man will stick to it. he's known for that kind of thing and i believe him. absolutely. i realise in your panel that this is a slightly opposing view to christine and you know, i'm just going to disagree with her. i think danny's on the ball here. he makes a promise so he'll stick to it. but he needs to, doesn't he? we need to do something. i'm reminded of the promises that the previous premier made, you know. do you remember rishi's five promises? stop the boats. remember how many he actually served up on? not many really. so they've all got their stories, don't they? but yeah, i think we're heading for a better future. personally, i'm a labour voter, so there you go. >> well , you know what? if he >> well, you know what? if he breaks his promise, we'll come back to this. we'll play this back to this. we'll play this back to this. we'll play this back to you, john. thank you

very much. that's john reading kidderminster. really good to talk to you. right. you're with me. i'm nana akua. this is gb news. we're live on tv, online and on digital radio. coming up, the great british debate this. i'm asking, is it time to nationalise water? that's in the next hour. but next worldview will cross live to los angeles and off to tel aviv to speak to paul duddridge and julia keller to get the latest on what's going on there.

right. welcome. this is gb news. we're live on tv, online and on digital radio. right now, though, it's time for world view. let's cross over to america and speak to the host of the politics people podcast, paul duddridge, and get an update on what's going on with president trump. right so, paul, it's been a very, very, very busy time for america, what's going on with president trump and what's happening ? talk to

me. >> what a week , >> what a week, >> what a week, >> yeah. >> yeah. >> last week we obviously had the assassination attempt and now we have biden, who definitely was dropping out of the race last week, whether he liked it or not, has now said that he's definitely staying in the race. >> he's convalescing from covid at the moment, which is just adding to his woes. >> but biden is staying in the race and trump is . race and trump is. >> now he's back to doing rallies, literally. >> assassination attempt last saturday and then another rally a week later in michigan. >> and so the contrast between the two camps couldn't be more stark . stark. >> we have a leader of the republican party, the republican nominee, who's up and about after an assassination attempt. >> we have a, the president, so—called who is, hiding with biden, i think they call it now. >> so, yes. »- >> so, yes. >> it's looking very strong for donald trump. >> i'll tell you, he's way ahead in the polls now . still not in the polls now. still not enough for my liking. i am

still, you know how i have such trepidation about this. people are really complacent. >> biden only has to win. >> biden only has to win. >> if it's biden, it probably won't be. >> only has to win a couple of the swing states to actually win again. so all this, all this triumphalism you're hearing from the united states, it's like it's trump, it's trump, it's in the bag. and he's definitely got it. >> it's not necessarily the case at all. >> i want to see leads of 15 to 20 points before i start getting confident of a trump victory. >> it is too close to call. still, we need to be. >> i mean, i think the largest lead trump has got in one of the swing states is like 7. >> that needs to be ten, 15% before we can actually start. >> looking forward to the prospect of a fabulous trump comeback. >> but but biden, i'll be honest with you, when i saw him after the disastrous debate, some of his performance, it's almost like he's a different person. i'm like, this is really odd. and now he's obviously got covid, but i just i mean, i was like, is this the same guy? because this one of them, this, this particular version of him seemed to be moving really

smoothly. yet only the other week he was like somebody who couldn't move at all. >> it's true. >> it's true. >> well, you are touching on or you're touching on all the palace rumours about is there is there a doppelganger or is there perhaps a, vitamin a vitamin regimen that is maybe perking him up before public appearances ? him up before public appearances? >> because, yeah, again, it's quite it's quite distinct, isn't it, when he's on. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> five minutes, five minutes after that disastrous debate, he's then giving a press conference. everybody's going, why didn't you do this before? and it's like, well, possibly because he hadn't received the same attention. >> i can't speculate, but it is it is very, very bizarre what is being wheeled out in front of the american public for them to vote on? >> it's very, very bizarre. >> it's very, very bizarre. >> it's very, very bizarre. >> it is bizarre. well, okay. well, listen, the democrats are facing a contested convention in august, and of course, trump is back on there. but we've got kamala harris now. she is apparently the best chance of

becoming the democrat leader. is that right ? that right? >> it's a tough one. >> it's a tough one. >> it's a tough one. >> it's not it's not decided that it's a contested convention. >> at this point, biden is still saying he's in the race, but people like nancy pelosi have said that they would prefer a contested convention. kamala's best chance of becoming president is to support biden. >> if she can get biden just across the finish line, then obviously, and he wins in november , then she could step november, then she could step into his place because, let's face it, if he makes it to the election, there's no way he's going to make it to christmas in the same health. >> so, you know, he's going he's going one way or another. >> so her best opportunity is to take on that vice presidential role of replacing the president. >> she can't. she she seriously cannot be i mean, nobody knows who she is . listen, i've got to who she is. listen, i've got to go. paul duddridge, it's been really good to talk to you. we could talk about this for a long time, and we will do. but that's paul duddridge. he's the host of the politics people podcast. right. let's travel over to israel. let's have a chat with uri geller, who's live in tel

aviv. uri, what's on your mind? >> and thanks again for having me on your show. now you know, every week something big happens when i come on your program. and just a couple of days ago, it happened again . as you know, happened again. as you know, there was a drone attack on tel aviv. but listen carefully, because i'm going to tell you things you will not hear anywhere else on british tv. i'm here in old jaffa , two miles here in old jaffa, two miles away from where the attack happened, and when the drone hit at 3:00 on friday morning, the explosion was so huge it woke us up two miles away. by the way, this is funny. the building, which was hit many years ago before my army time in 1965. i didn't have much money and i got work as a labourer. i carried bncks work as a labourer. i carried bricks and concrete and that was the building i helped build . i the building i helped build. i was about 19 years old. unbelievable now, tragically, the attack killed an innocent man as he slept in his bed. so

we know we all know now that the drone attack was sent from yemen by its terrorist rulers, who are a group called the houthis. but now, listen carefully, because i will tell you some things you will tell you some things you will not know. first of all, the houthis have a political slogan . houthis have a political slogan. you know how in britain labour has a slogan for instance, build a better britain? well, the houthis slogan is listen to this . houthis slogan is listen to this. death to america, death to israel , a curse death to america, death to israel, a curse upon the death to america, death to israel , a curse upon the jews. israel, a curse upon the jews. look, this is the flag of yemen. do you know how many jews there are in yemen? one. one jewish man and the houthis have jailed him for the past six years. now yemen is also one of the poorest countries in the world. everyone is starving there. but the houthis are spending all their money on weapons and drones. they have attacked shipping in the red sea, including british ships. and here is something which will shock you. there is a

video of pro—palestinian protesters in london, in london, chanting in support of the houthis . don't, don't take my houthis. don't, don't take my word for it. you can check it yourself. they sing yemen, yemen, make us proud. turn another ship around . but here is another ship around. but here is something else which will shock you all. britain does not consider the houthis a terrorist group. they have not banned support. they they allowed them to do anything. so you can go into the streets of london, manchester, birmingham or wherever and weigh the houthi flag. and you can send as much money to them as you like . so money to them as you like. so here is a challenge. this is to keir starmer i challenge you here. are you willing to ban the houthis? one of the worst terrorist groups in the world? i want every weight i want. >> we're running out of time. we've got to ask him. >> i want everyone on your show to ask here. we will ask this.

>> we will ask him. thank you very much. that is of course, the source of uri. uri geller live on gb news. loads still to come. we shall see you shortly. let's get an update with your weather, a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on gb. >> news . >> news. >> news. >> hello, here's your latest weather update from the met office. for gb news we'll see a mixed bag of weather across the uk during the week ahead. most of us are seeing some outbreaks of us are seeing some outbreaks of rain at times, but when the sun pops through, it should feel pleasantly warm for the time of yeah pleasantly warm for the time of year. we'll see a ridge of high pressure moving in from the west, given plenty of fine weather today, but notice low pressure gathering out there towards the west of ireland and they'll start to push outbreaks of rain in across northern ireland, eventually reaching parts of southern scotland and the north of england into the early hours of monday, some of that rain turning quite heavy in nature by monday morning itself. whereas towards the north we'll see some clear spells and outbreaks of rain will also work in across wales and the far south—west of england, but elsewhere across england and wales. we'll see some clearer

spells holding up at 14 or 15 celsius. so quite a mild night in the south, but turning quite chilly under the clear spells towards the far north of scotland. so the new working week gets off to a fine start across the far north of scotland. 1 or 2 showers, but plenty of sunshine to start monday here, whereas across central and southern parts of scotland, more in the way of cloud around, there'll be some outbreaks of rain locally on the heavy side and a few heavy bursts still across parts of northern ireland into parts of northern england too. so a pretty damp start across these central parts of the uk. further south, outbreaks of rain moving in across wales into some western parts of england, whereas across central, eastern and southeastern england monday gets off to a fine start with some sunshine around and temperatures not doing too badly at this stage either. as for the rest of monday, well, it's the central slice of the uk, northern ireland, southern scotland and the north of england, which will generally see the worst of the conditions, outbreaks of rain giving way to sunshine and a scattering of showers. some of those showers could well turn quite heavy, even thundery, into the afternoon. across england and wales, outbreaks of rain clear away towards the east, giving way to a much brighter afternoon

and some brightness towards the far north of scotland too. in the sunshine in the south—east we'll see highs of 24 or 25 celsius into the evening on monday. further outbreaks of rain will push in across northern ireland. we'll hold on to some showers across parts of scotland, the north of england, across parts of wales and the south west of england too. elsewhere, a fine end to the day fine for many around the middle part of the coming week. but by

>> hello. good afternoon. it is 5:00. this is gb news. we're live on tv, online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua. and for the next hour, me and my panel will be taking on some of the big topics hitting the headunes the big topics hitting the headlines right now. coming up, my outside guest now she is a tv favourite who's recently been through a very public heartbreak. but who is she? she's fabulous. look at that hair. you can just about see it. who do you think she is? she'll be with us in a few moments

time. then for the great british. debate this out. i'm asking, is it time to nationalise water now? we'll be taking a look at some of the wild diving, driving and asking whether the driver should. this driver should retain their licence. but first, let's get your latest news headlines . your latest news headlines. >> nana, thank you and good afternoon . the top stories afternoon. the top stories donald trump says nobody warned him of a possible threat in the moments before he was shot by gunmen in pennsylvania. in an interview with fox news, the republican nominee said the lack of information was a mistake and the event should have been cancelled. it comes as the secret service faces questions over how the would be assassin was able to wander outside the security perimeter before taking his position on a roof, even after local officers had reported him acting suspiciously. >> nobody mentioned it. nobody said there was a problem and i would have waited for 15. they

could have said, let's wait for 15 minutes, 20 minutes, five minutes, something nobody said. i think that was a mistake. how did somebody get on that roof and why wasn't he reported? because people saw that he was on the roof. >> meanwhile, president biden's regret at not running in the 2016 election is reportedly fuelling his determination to stay in the race. current and former aides to the president told the us news website axios that he'd planned to challenge hillary clinton for the nomination in 2016, but was advised against it by barack obama, which is said to be making him more determined to continue his campaign. vice president kamala harris insists joe biden will be the nominee, despite some big donors now seeing her as a possible replacement . and if you've ever replacement. and if you've ever thought american elections are stranger than fiction, the creator of the west wing says the democrat should nominate mitt romney, comparing calls for president biden to stand aside with storyline in his classic tv

drama, aaron sorkin writes in the new york times that romney would peel off enough republican votes to win, probably by a lot. the former governor of massachusetts was the republican nominee in 2012, losing to barack obama . now, a labour mp barack obama. now, a labour mp has told gb news that she became pregnant at the age of 15 after being groomed and raped by an older man. natalie fleet says she has weekly nightmares about the ordeal 23 years ago, but now she wants to be a voice for all women. >> now we have labels like grooming that we didn't have then i didn't know we were having unprotected sex, you know, this is i was i was a child and this is statutory rape. you know, at the time, this isn't something that we were we're talking about. it's not how i saw myself. i saw myself, as, you know, at 15, you definitely think you're old enough to do all these things. but another thing that i can do now, i'm here is i really want to be a voice for all of those

people. all of those women that have children in far. >> in other news, normal levels of service at gp surgeries will take some time to come back after friday's global it outage, the british medical association warns gps need time to catch up on lost work over the weekend, after the tech glitch knocked the computer system used by gps offline. the outage was caused by a faulty security update that was deployed to around 8.5 million windows devices . jeremy million windows devices. jeremy hunt has apologised for failures in the uk's pandemic preparations, highlighted by the covid inquiry in its first report. the inquiry found the former government had failed the pubuc former government had failed the public due to what it called significant flaws in preparing for a pandemic. the former chancellor and health secretary acknowledged that he'd been part of what he described as groupthink, where there was over preparation for a flu pandemic, while other types were not

considered . the chancellor says considered. the chancellor says she's hoping to boost our pension pots by £11,000. >> rachel reeves believes a review of retirement savings could unlock billions more in investment, with schemes encouraged to invest in assets such as infrastructure. >> the treasury says it would boost economic growth and ensure better returns for savers . a better returns for savers. a hate crime investigation is underway after three pride flags were vandalised outside forest gate railway station in east london. the met police is appealing for information after the pavement paintings were covered with spray paint in the early hours of friday morning. it follows previous incidents in june which the force believes are linked. officers have trawled cctv footage made house to house enquiries and conducted forensic investigations. but so far no arrests have been made . far no arrests have been made. and finally, a row has erupted between an auction house that sells elvis presley memorabilia and the icons graceland estate.

joel weinshenker, who's managing partner of elvis presley enterprises, told nbc news that he doubts the authenticity of some items recently sold by gws auctions. he says his suspicious mind first started racing when he spotted a black grommet jacket for sale, which was said to be worn by the singer in 1972. however, he believes the real jacket is still hanging in graceland's collection. he also doubts the veracity of other items offered for sale, including jewellery and even the star's private jet. gws auctions insists the items are authentic . insists the items are authentic. those are the latest gb news headlines. for now, i'm tatiana sanchez. more from me in half an hour for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code or go to gbnews.com forward slash alerts .

forward slash alerts. >> good afternoon . it's fast >> good afternoon. it's fast approaching seven minutes after 5:00. this is a gb news where live on tv, online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua and for the next hour, me and my panel will be taking on some of the big topics hitting the headlines. right now. this show is all about opinion. headlines. right now. this show is all about opinion . it's mine, is all about opinion. it's mine, it's theirs. and of course it's yours. we'll be debating, discussing and at times we will disagree. but no one will be cancelled. so joining me today is broadcaster and journalist danny kelly. and also broadcaster and author christine hamilton. still to come, every sunday at 5:00, i'm joined by a celebrity, a former mp or someone who's had an extremely interesting career to take a look at. life after the job. we talk highs, lows, lessons learnt and what comes next on the outside today it's one of tv's favourite faces. she's a presenter. she's known for a warm chat at the sort of pub style interview technique that she's got there. she interviews some big hitters, though she's also recently suffered a very

pubuc also recently suffered a very public heartbreak. then for the great british debate, i'm asking is it time to nationalise water? and this comes as the environment secretary, steve reed , said that he's worried reed, said that he's worried water companies have been covering up the scale of the sewage spills, a scandal that's been plaguing the industry. so for the great british debate this hour, i'm asking, is it time to nationalise water? and as ever, send me your thoughts. post your comments @gbnews dot com. forward slash your say . all com. forward slash your say. all right. so every sunday at 5:00 i'm joined by a celebrity , a i'm joined by a celebrity, a former mp or someone who's had an extremely interesting career. take a look at life. now we talk highs, lows and lessons learned and what comes next. and this week my guest has worked her way up to become a recognisable face on tv. she's interviewed the likes of anton du beke, lady , likes of anton du beke, lady, colin campbell, brian conley and many more on her weekly show, which was voted in the top 20 shows to watch in closer magazine . she's also recently magazine. she's also recently been through a very public

heartbreak after a relationship with a famous chaser. have you guessed his years? of course you did. it is, of course, presenter hayley palmer. hayley, it's me . hayley palmer. hayley, it's me. it's nice to see you. >> thank you so much for having me. it's so lovely to actually just sit down and have a chat with you. >> oh, yeah. >> oh, yeah. >> you too as well. thank you so much for coming in. so, hayley, talk to me about you then, because we see you on tv. but i don't know how did it. what were you doing before? how did you. how did you get yourself into all of this. >> well, i started off as dancen >> my mum sent me to dance school when i was, like, three years old. >> if you will be on the stage, off you go. and. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> i've danced my whole life, and i'd always loved to be a television presenter, but i never quite had the confidence to do it, and i actually did a work placement at itv, and that's how i got in the industry. and i started as a runner, but everyone was like, hayley, you just talk too much, so you need to be in front of the camera. >> yeah. and so your first job that you did in front of the

camera, what was it, >> the first job i did was an 80s show on the sky channel that i'm on now, and i didn't have a clue what i was doing. i still don't, but i love a chat and i love people, and. yeah, when i interview people, it is that kind of pub style because i'm just interested to see what you know. everyone's got a story. i love finding out how people got to where they got, and it's usually not by luck. it's usually not by luck. it's usually a lot of graft behind the scenes. >> yeah, that's the thing. a lot of people think, oh, well, you just popped up and you've been doing. they don't realise i mean, i've been doing it for at least 30 years. really? yeah, i know, i'm old. i'm, i have old, i'm old, i like actually being old. it's lovely. do you i mean, i'm upset. >> no, you be young. >> no, you be young. >> you want to be young? i'm thankful that i've gotten this far. some people don't get this far. some people don't get this far. so >> exactly. >> exactly. >> we're grateful. exactly, exactly. so you came out and you became a presenter doing other things. what's been the biggest things. what's been the biggest thing that you've done, >> i mean, my most thing that i'm proud of is my show, because i'm proud of is my show, because i built it up from nothing. when i built it up from nothing. when i first started, nobody wanted to come on. i would ask people

and they'd be like, no, and i built it up. and even in lockdown, we actually changed my parents dining room into a green screen studio. my mum and dad had retired. my dad was like, you're the cameraman. we had all the gear in. no idea. we had no idea what we were doing, but we kept going and we were putting out, you know, two shows a day because we had the gear to do it, and i'm proud of it because i present it, i produce it, i help edit it, i cast it, i get the spots for it, i do all the work and i put it together. so when i see it there, i'm like, yeah, i did that. >> that's how you set this up in lockdown. i mean, do you live with your parents or are you staying there to help them? no. or they were in your bubble. >> yeah, i was in london and i was just like really like, oh god, what am i going to do? i can't talk to anyone, so i need to be doing something. the whole time. so i went back to portsmouth and i did it. oh that's lovely, isn't it? >> portsmouth. what a great place. yeah. pompey. yeah. >> pompey girl. >> pompey girl. >> so do you still film there or is your studio changed,

>> no. now we go out on location and we usually either hire somewhere or go to wherever is convenient for my guests. >> so how successful? i mean, what's the show called now? successful. has it been? because it's quite amazing when you create something from scratch and then it becomes something. >> yeah, i mean, it's great now because i get people asking to come on the .show. so that's always like a bonus, and yeah, it's been voted in close magazine top ten show of the week. what to watch, and we just get some great guests on there and, it just makes me so proud. so yeah, i love it. >> oh, well, i'm really pleased to hear that you're doing so well. it's lovely to see you have a proper chat with you now. a little while ago you were going out with the chaser. oh, no. that ended what can you tell us, >> well, we were really happy, well, i thought we were. and we were together a year and when we first got together, people were like, is that for real? because they just didn't put us together. but we were like, it's such a good place. and we were totally different. like, he's more of an introvert and i'm more of an introvert and i'm more of an extrovert, but it kind of worked like our opposite personalities . and, you know,

personalities. and, you know, i don't have anything bad to say about him because he did really look after me. and, you know, we were in a really good place and i don't really remember having that many arguments and stuff because it was just like a dream relationship. i kept saying to people like, just hang on for the right guy because, you know, it feels so good when it's right, we went on loose women. you were smart about it. >> some people don't know. >> some people don't know. >> yeah. yes we went on loose women and, that was the week before, we broke up , we were before, we broke up, we were celebrating our year anniversary. we were looking at venues because we did quizzes together. so it was all going like, in my opinion, really well. and then i got a call, the week, a week later, and, i just finished the gym and i was in, like, good spirits, and, he just said, i still really it's really pains me to say it. i can't say it. >> oh, i'm sorry it.— >> oh, i'm sorry. i'm so it. >> oh, i'm sorry. i'm so sorry about that. because i thought you guys were really good

together as well. it is tough, isn't it? but you know what i do sometimes think that everything does happen for a reason. in the long run, doesn't it? and actually, at the end of the day, i'm with me. if somebody ever breaks up with me, i often think to myself, well, if you don't want me, i don't want you. is it really? to be honest? i mean, i don't want somebody who doesn't want me. and so, you know, i can i can deal with it on that level. >> it's. no, i was in such shock. yeah. so when i talk about it again, it's sort of. >> yeah. comes back. the shock of it all comes back. and i totally understand that as well. but, you know, you're a beautiful woman and you've got this fantastic show that is doing incredibly well. yes. >> and in my work into my show now, that was my point. absolutely. i'm, i'm really like putting my heart and soul into my work because i'm. yeah i'm proud of what i've achieved from that. proud of what i've achieved from that . and. yeah. and i went out that. and. yeah. and i went out last night . i that. and. yeah. and i went out last night. i went out that. and. yeah. and i went out last night . i went out with the last night. i went out with the girls. yes and guys are sliding into the dms, so it's all good. >> well, that's the point, isn't it? you're stunning. yeah. how

tall are you? because you're quite tall. >> i'm five foot 11. exactly. so i am, like, extremely tall with heels. i'm about six foot. >> amazing. >> amazing. >> stunning woman. family >> stunning woman. family >> stunning woman. well, listen, you've got so much more to offer, by the way. and i know the viewers love you. and you know, if you ever want. when i become a bit more famous, you can interview me on your show. >> no, no. can you come on my show? i loved it. i choose your favourite music videos. oh really? >> yeah. my favourite music video has got to be what's yours at home? mine's got to be michael jackson's thriller. >> oh, we can do the dance routine. >> we can do this. >> we can do this. >> so who have you got coming up next on your show to interview, >> well, we have got some exciting guests coming up. we just had some love island guys that were on the show last night, and that's brilliant, cause it gets the younger guests coming in. but i'll tell you who i love. i love the cast of gavin and stacey because i'm a big fan. oh they're good. so i'm trying to get hold of them. i'm also trying to get hold of rylan as well because i think he'd be as well because i think he'd be a great laugh. >> have you, have you met him? >> have you, have you met him? >> i have met rylan. yeah, i

actually saw him in the street in mayfair the other day. he came running up to me. he was like, hey, oh lovely. oh my god, he knows my name. >> oh that's lovely. yes. people say that he's really nice. yeah, he's. >> do you know what he is? he's exactly how you think of him on screen, you know. and i love people like that. and there's some people that come on my show and i end up spending hours with them afterwards, like having a really lovely chat. and i'll go around for lunch, like i went to kim wilde's house for lunch. really yeah. we're like, become really good friends. we go out and i think that's just like, really lovely. when you make really lovely. when you make really good friends with people andifs really good friends with people and it's not just an interview, it ends up being a friendship. >> yeah. so. so if people want to watch this show, where can they find it? because it's, you know, the show is on thursdays on sky. >> sky 186 at 5:00 and freeview 271 on saturdays at 9:00, so it goes out twice a week and then it goes on to youtube as well. so no excuse tune in. so [10 excuse tune in. >> so no excuse tune in. >> well done. very good. it's very impressive. well, listen, hayley, it's been such a pleasure talking to you. >> oh, thank you so much for having me. >> good luck with everything. thank you. and it's really good to see you. i shall definitely take you up on the offer. yes.

>> you're coming on the show to do that. >> as long as the bosses here will let me. i'm sure they will. i'll plug gb news as well. thank you. hayley palmer, that is hayley palmer, tv presenter extraordinaire right now. stay tuned. if you're just tuned in, it's just coming up to 17 minutes after 5:00. before we move on, there's still plenty of time to grab your chance to win £30,000 in our great british giveaway. it is our biggest cash prize of the year. i mean, what would you do with that extra money? well, here's how you could win. >> don't miss your chance to win our super summer giveaway with your chance to win £30,000 cash! our biggest cash prize to date, which means you get to spend every single penny however you like. what plans would you make with an extra £30,000 cash in your bank account? take your family on the ultimate holiday. buy that treat that's always seemed out of reach, or just put it in the bank for a later date. however you'd spend it. make sure you don't miss out for another chance to win £30,000 in tax free cash, text cash to 63232. text cost £2 plus one

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we are coming up to 22 minutes after 5:00. this is gb news we're live on tv, online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua. don't forget as well. you can stream us live on youtube or catch up with all the different programmes here on the channel. it's time though. now for the great british debate. this hour. and i'm asking is it actually time to nationalise or even renationalise water environment secretary steve reed has said that every single river in the country is contaminated , and country is contaminated, and he's not surprised that people are worried about swimming in the sea, lakes and rivers around this country. it is the latest blow to the water industry amid the sewage scandal and the controversies over pay to senior bosses. so i'm asking for the great british debate this hour. is it time to nationalise water? well, joining me now is head of campaigns at the taxpayers alliance, elliott keck, former leader of ukip neil hamilton, the political commentator, james matthewson and lead campaigner at we own it, matthew topham. i'm going to start with you,

elliott. look, is it realistic? can we actually nationalise it? is there can the government take this back in? >> i mean, it certainly could. the question is whether it should want to. >> if you look at almost every single part of the state at the moment, it's failing. i mean, look at let's look at one person who's campaigning on this on twitter on something called ellen pasternak, who cannot get a driving test until november. every single part of the uk state is effectively crumbling, and the idea that we would want them to take yet another key responsibility into their hands when they can't already do what they're supposed to be doing, i think is just completely preposterous. >> yeah, but look at the state of it. i mean , you this is water of it. i mean, you this is water is life. if we do not take this back, we will die because we need water is it's not like. i mean, is there a country in the world that doesn't have that isn't nationalised with their water? >> listen, you know, if you actually look at the state of uk water, it's actually much, much better than the statistics will have you believe. we're actually roughly on average, relative to european nations. >> one of the reasons why we think water is so bad is because over the last 5 to 10 years,

every single, pipe that releases sewage into rivers and other water bodies have had monitors attached to it. they didn't previously had monitors. so essentially we didn't know how bad the state of the water was. >> every time we did test it, it performed incredibly poorly and actually there has been record investment over the last 20 years. >> way more investment than was under nationalisation. and actually the quality of our water now is much, much better than it was a few decades ago. it's just that we monitor it much more closely. of course, there's more to be done, but nationalising water is absolutely not the solution. >> you're saying no. all right, let's go to lead campaigner. we own it. matthew topham matthew. >> well, i think a key question that was dodged. there is does anyone else in the world run water like this. and the truth is they simply don't. there's a tiny part of the check here network that is privatised in the way that england and wales are privatised. their water. >> no one else has done what we have done and privatised the whole kit and caboodle. >> and there's a clear reason for that, because the system is completely breaking down. it doesn't work to actually increase investment. what we've

seen is that private investment is a myth . is a myth. >> in fact, over the last 30 years, we've seen 85 billion taken out of the industry by shareholders in net terms . shareholders in net terms. >> and what we actually want to be seeing is a greater level of investment. and everything so far has been paid for by our bills. it is the people of this country who have paid for the investment that's happened today, not the private sector. and in fact, if we were having the system in public ownership, it would be cheaper and faster to deliver the large scale investment that we need, >> and also we would have more control over how it would be deau control over how it would be dealt with, as far as i can imagine. i mean, just to give you some stats here, raw sewage was discharged for more than 3.6 million hours into our rivers and seas. that was an increase of 105. james matthewson. what do you think? surely we can't carry on like this . carry on like this. >> and i think it's fascinating . >> and i think it's fascinating. >> and i think it's fascinating. >> and i think it's fascinating. >> and the comments from the taxpayers alliance, come as no surprise. >> however, i think the fact

that they're only being defended now by the taxpayers alliance and by people who have the interests of private companies and privatisation at heart, because this was margaret thatcher's idea, this was her one of her great moves to privatise and to make things more efficient was the idea at the time and to give things over to the private sector. >> now i'm always confused by the argument. >> it was the same with the rail's about taking them into pubuc rail's about taking them into public ownership or renationalising them that somehow they're going to be exactly run as they were, run when they were nationalised last time. that makes no sense at all, because you've got a complete different government. you've had so many different governments between now and then, and many, many years have passed many different technological advancements. >> all sorts of things have changed. >> and i'm up here in scotland, i'm in edinburgh, where the water is public and it is nationalised because they resisted thatcher's move to do that. and i'm telling you, it's one of the best things they've done.i one of the best things they've done. i won't praise the scottish government a lot, especially the snp one, but they have. >> they've held firm with it and they've managed to make sure that everybody is very proud of having this system. >> that's public and it's our

water, as you point out. >> nana it's life giving. >> nana it's life giving. >> it's our essence of life. >> it's our essence of life. >> it's the very thing that we need to survive. >> why on earth should a private company be making profit? >> well, i'm going to come back , >> well, i'm going to come back, to you, elliot, because he just said it's not surprising that you would say that. >> well, listen, i mean, this is always the problem. so many of these campaigners refuse to deal with the actual arguments and the actual data and instead just cast aspersions on people's motivations. >> the simple reality is investment in water has climbed significantly since, privatisation. >> at the same time, bills have barely changed over the last 20 years. >> yes, profit is being made. >> yes, profit is being made. >> but listen, profit is the thing that actually drives the economy. it drives the lifeblood of the economy. >> the stats are very, very clear. water privatisation has broadly been a success in scotland. the state of water is actually significantly worse. we have about half the number of leakages every year than they do in scotland, so i think it's just completely it's just a complete non—starter. >> but as the water quality that we're talking about here, and it's the we didn't used to monitor, well, i don't know. i mean look we've had more over 105% of these, the discharges

into the sea and or into our rivers just because it's been got a bit of extra rain . we've got a bit of extra rain. we've had a revolving door of people from ofwat due to the top of the water companies, i neil hamilton, i just can't see. it's. it feels almost as though it is corrupt. now, i'm not saying it is, but i'm saying that's the feeling that i'm getting here. neil hamilton well, it requires heroic levels of optimism to think that politicians are going to be better managers of infrastructure companies like the water companies, than people who are involved in running these businesses in the private sector. >> but what we know of the way the public sector is run throughout this country, from the nhs to the dvla, it's an absolute shambles. >> you know, there's no control just because politicians are in charge of it. >> quite the opposite in fact. and this is a highly regulated business, the water industry, you've got ofwat the regulator that sets the targets for water leaks, for sewage leaks, etc. and if there's a failure to meet those targets, the companies get fined millions of pounds.

>> yeah. >> yeah. >> but if the target the target neil. but neil, neil we. neil. neil. but neil, neil we. neil. neil neil we know that they factor in the fines into their behaviour. so they don't really they're thinking well 100 million to them is pretty much nothing. when you think of the billions that they're making. and yet they did not invest in the waterways and we can't control that. they said they would , they said they would would, they said they would change lots of the pipes and so on and so forth. they didn't. neil. that's the problem, isn't it? we have no control. >> well, that isn't the case as elliot has given you. >> the figures on that a moment ago. >> i mean , because is the case, >> i mean, because is the case, if the water industry was nationalised, it would have to compete every year for the amount of money that it wants to invest against the nhs and other pubuc invest against the nhs and other public services . given that public services. given that we've got £2.5 trillion of national debt at the moment, which costs us well over 100 billion a year to finance in interest costs, it's a heroic level of optimism , as i said level of optimism, as i said earlier on, to think that you're

going to get a better deal out of the chancellor of the exchequer, that you would get out of the private capital markets. >> but i think i think the point of this is that it's the water quality and the quality to our lives. i mean, we have no control over it. matthew >> no, but i mean, absolutely. >> no, but i mean, absolutely. >> let's come on to matthew. >> let's come on to matthew. >> thank you. thank you. >> thank you. thank you. >> let's come on to this issue of control. who's looking to go back to this 20th century version of running services in pubuc version of running services in public ownership? certainly campaigners i know are not what we want is what they have on the continent. so let's look at paris water. whereas of course, we saw just days ago the deputy mayor of paris swam in the sand. the paris water was taken back from privatisation in 2010, and they haven't returned it to a top down civil servants way of running things. they have a democratic board, so the company board has sitting on it representatives of its workers, the people who actually are there trying to clean up the system as representatives of civil society through the paris water observatory. that's the kind of system we could have here. imagine if the fantastic

campaigners of windrush against sewage pollution or the ilkley clean river campaign were not on the outside having to shout in to try and get change, but were there with all their expertise and knowledge and their experience on the ground, helping shape decisions on the company board, that's the kind of model we should be approaching in the uk as well. >> all right. well let me just ask you all then . one by one, ask you all then. one by one, elliot, is it time to nationalise water, yes or no? absolutely not. neil hamilton is yes or no? is it time to nationalise? >> surely not. no >> surely not. no >> james matthewson. yes or no ? >> james matthewson. yes or no? >> james matthewson. yes or no? >> yes. it's well overdue. >> yes. it's well overdue. >> and matthew topham, yes or no? >> like the poll just days ago, 8% of us are saying yes, we want it back in public hands. >> so that's a yes from you? >> so that's a yes from you? >> absolutely. yeah. >> absolutely. yeah. >> all right. listen, thank you so much for your thoughts. really appreciate that. this is gb news. welcome. if you've just tuned in 31 minutes after 5:00, i'm nana akua. we're live on tv, onune i'm nana akua. we're live on tv, online and on digital radio. coming up, we will continue with the great british debate this and i'm asking, is it time to nationalise water? you'll hear the thoughts of my panel, christine hamilton and danny kelly. but first let's get your

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water? 37 minutes after 5:00. this is gb news. we're live on tv , gb news. we're live on tv, onune gb news. we're live on tv, online and on digital radio. it's time for the great british debate. this hour. i'm asking, is it time to nationalise water? environment secretary steve reed has said that every single river in the country is contaminated, and that he's not surprised. people are worried about swimming in the sea, lakes, rivers and so on and so forth. after scandal after scandal with sewage spills, spillages and rising water bills despite high salaries for bosses. so for the great british debate this hour, i'm asking is it time to just nationalise it? well, joining me now, my panel broadcaster and author christine hamilton and also journalist and broadcaster danny kelly. right. christine, what do you think? >> well, the problem is not the privatisation. it's the regulation which has failed and the water companies have not been regulated properly. they've been regulated properly. they've been allowed to get away with murder. >> i mean , take thames water, >> i mean, take thames water, for example. >> all the customers of thames water are about to get mammoth

increases in their bills because macquarie were allowed to borrow when they were in charge. low interest rates. they borrowed huge amounts of money, they paid massive dividends, massive bonuses to their people. and then they left thames water in then they left thames water in the most parlous state. and the customer and the taxpayer are going to have to pick up the bill had they been regulated properly, there wouldn't have been allowed to do that, and they shouldn't be allowed to get involved in any other infrastructure. >> projects in this country, in my view . my view. >> but they are trying to because they're trying to build a great big solar farm next door to us. macquarie. >> are they? oh, yes they are. >> are they? oh, yes they are. >> and their, their behaviour with thames water should not have been allowed to happen, but it was allowed to happen. >> as i say, all the how many customers are there of thames water. 9 million. 10 million. i mean i don't know. they're going to pay very heavily. and if the water companies are nationalised, they're always going to be competing for funds with everything else like the nhs . nhs. >> yeah, but but you haven't got a choice as to what water company you have. so it's not

even. so it's not really a competitive environment. danny >> i don't see how i'm a red blooded capitalist, but if we can run a water company and we can run a water company and we can nationalise it and we get better water, then i don't mind that, you know, i'm not intransigent with my political views. if the government can say, look, we can run a water company really well, but then you have to look at, okay, so why are you taking it over? is it because of shareholders? so people were cutting corners. that's why we have sewage. i don't for one second believe that if we had a nationalised water system, we still wouldn't have sewage in all the rivers and lakes . i don't believe, and lakes. i don't believe, i don't believe capitalism has caused all of this sewage to leak. >> well, they didn't invest in the water pipes or anything like that. they gave a lot of money as well as water, but they were told no, no, no. they were told specifically that they needed to invest the money into the pipe piping. and everything else like that they said they would do when they bought, when they became privatised and they didn't. sure. >> but the minister says that there is sewage in every lake. >> hold on. you've just literally brushed over it. i said they were told to do it and they didn't do it. well, they've

given their shareholders money, but that would be a selection of rivers and lakes that that fella said that every river and lake has got probably is pollution in it. >> christine, as i understand it, some leaks because it's a victorian system. >> some leaks are just so big. they've been told, okay, you don't have to worry about those, but fix these. >> but you don't have to worry about those. but my worry is that with any nationalised industry, they're going to be competing for taxpayers money, which is limited, mr starmer, it's limited, sir keir, it's limited. >> please remember they will be competing with the nhs and any politician has a very short time span. >> keir starmer's biggest worry right now will be winning the election in five years time. >> now, when it comes to spending 10 million or 5 million or £10, do i put it in water or do i put it in the nhs? but it's not going to put it in the nhs. >> it's not. it's not the same. it's not the same as the nhs though, because although the nhs receives some funding, water is something that we all pay for quite substantially. so it has an income, it has a good income from us, so it's more a case of, you know, that income should be

reinvested, water bills may not as well. >> yeah, because we won't have shareholders to think about. they won't if it's for thames water. >> yeah. but christina—marie there'll be huge if the government can run it effectively and efficiently. >> our water bills, not only is our water going to be better, we can go swimming in the lakes and rivers. i know this is a bit ideological now, but an idealistic forgive me. but also our water bills may reduce because we don't have shareholders to think about and their profit. and so what these these guys will be on 250, 300 grand a year. in fact, i think the water companies are close to £1 million. yeah. >> i think he gave himself was £180,000 tax pay rise . £180,000 tax pay rise. >> yes. they're on like seven figures. >> some of these figures these you know, on off what needs to get its house in order. >> that's the ofwat hasn't been regulating the water companies properly and i just do not believe that politicians are going to be better at running a water company than a privatised company, but i suspect they're a revolving door of coming in from ofwat and then going to head up water companies stopped. well, yes, but it's the regulation that's wrong. it needs to be much, much tighter so that these

water companies cannot get away with ripping off the customers. >> but they are the regulators are the ones who are regulating it, and they're the ones that are going from water companies to becoming regulators. that should be this, you know, this hot bedding business should be stopped. yeah. well i'm not so sure that it's as easy as that. you can say that you can never work for you can do this, but you can't do that. i don't know whether you can actually regulate that. >> don't forget, in 97, blair went big with the private sector, with the nhs as well, privatising all the health care because he believed at the time that the private sector could run the health care better than a politician. so this goes back even to the labour government. >> 97 well, well, let's see what the viewers think because the show is nothing without them. let's welcome our great british voices, their opportunity to be on the show and tell us what they think about the topics we're discussing. i've got three of you. let's start with lee webb. he's there in bedfordshire. is it time to nationalise the water? lee >> absolutely. >> absolutely. >> i've got no choice. who provides my water, it's a monopoly and i. i think when you've got a monopoly, i think thatis you've got a monopoly, i think that is in the best hands of the state. but we need to make somebody accountable into how effectively it's run , and that's

effectively it's run, and that's the problem with a lot of state industries. >> they're not run effectively. so we've got to make sure that it is run effectively. >> and then it makes a profit. >> and then it makes a profit. >> so we can actually put it back into investment. >> exactly. okay. mark sheridan, what do you think. >> yeah, massively. >> yeah, massively. >> but like we've seen with the privatisation and we see companies you know the gas electricity, if we give it solely to politicians, you know, we've got to have it nationalised. >> the regulation needs to be tight. when we talk about sewage, we're talking about people's lives that, you know, when, when some of my friends that go windsurfing or kayaking at the weekend and they say to me , oh, yeah, we'll go to lake me, oh, yeah, we'll go to lake windermere or these areas, and i say, you know, there's a sewage plant. or way back in february, there was an illegal spillage into areas where lots of people are going to go swimming, and you could end up with hepatitis a , you could end up with a, you could end up with salmonella. these are things that you don't want to having. yeah. diarrhoea, vomiting . so yeah. diarrhoea, vomiting. so it's got to be regulated. >> it has to be so. but but should it be going back to the state ownership or do you want

it privatise. should it . it privatise. should it. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> but should it be nationalised. yes. yes or no. what do you think. yes, yes it should be nationalised. all right. let's go to you brian in hull. dan, brian, even dan, bnan hull. dan, brian, even dan, brian , my i'm a bit like danny. brian, my i'm a bit like danny. >> i agree with him, i am a red blooded capitalist. really at heart. however, if my government was capable of doing things like the water infrastructure, energy, the rails and the roads and that's all they concentrated on, everything else could be left up to us. they could do it really well. instead of trying to micromanage and interfere with our lives and everything. if they just concentrated on things like, say, the water supply, it could be run really efficiently and they could use experts from the industry. they don't have to make it private. it could still be centralised and done from a central office. but yes, the regulation needs to be a lot tighter. but unfortunately the regulators are

regulating themselves, aren't they ? they seem to be in the they? they seem to be in the pockets of the of the government. >> well, well in the water companies because they're going from regulator to water company. it's a revolving door, thank you so much for your thoughts. lee webb in bedfordshire, mark shendan webb in bedfordshire, mark sheridan in chester, dan brian in hull, really good to get your thoughts. there's my great british voices up supplement sunday my panel and i discuss some of

good afternoon. if you've just tuned in, where have you been the last five minutes of the show? i'm nana akua. this is gb news. we are britain's news channel. and it's time now for clickbait. now check out this driver causing chaos on a motorway. so the driver is driving. you suddenly see there's about a four lane motorway in the middle of the third lane. one driver stops and then there's a queue of cars

behind him. he puts on his indicator and then he slowly crawls across the carriageway to get off. missed the turning on the slip road . the slip road. >> how? no one ploughed into him by the way, you're assuming it was a bloke that's a bit sexist from youtube. >> he probably wasn't. >> he probably wasn't. >> he. he, he. >> no, it everyday man. >> no, it everyday man. >> every day i would have said that was a woman. >> don't be saying that i'm guilty of sexism. have you on. >> you walk straight into that did i mean we've all done it haven't we missed the turning and you've just not. >> we haven't done that. you've got to go to the next junction. >> you have to go on to the next junction. you do not do that because sometimes satnav feels a little bit delayed when it tells you when you've got to go and then you think, oh no, it's that one that's in america. >> i would think it was in america. >> yeah. was it? but that could easily happen in this country, as you well know, why there wasn't a monumental pile up. >> goodness. >> goodness. >> unbelievable isn't it. >> unbelievable isn't it. >> thank goodness. look, i mean mind you, some of them, they can only drive 55mph. whatever it is, they can go there. but

anyway, that is what happened. did you guess? did you work it out? should the driver have their license revoked? i'd say so. deffo absolutely right. yes. but now it's time for supplement sunday, where my panel and i discuss some of the news stories that caught their eye. joining me now, danny kelly and christine hamilton. danny kelly, what do you got? >> well, christine's been on this show. the very first one i'm a celebrity. get me out of here! and itv has banned politicians from taking part in future series. really? yeah. and they say it's too divisive, etc. i think nigel farage was really open about his motivation for going in, and it was to appeal to a younger audience. now, if you think about it, to a younger audience. now, if you think about it , the tiktok you think about it, the tiktok generation and how well reform have done itv the people at itv may be kicking themselves thinking not only have we paid them a reported £1.5 million for three weeks, but also we've helped generate a future generation of reform voters. so that's it now. no more politicians. i think that's a conspiracy theory. >> i think it backfired on them because they thought, well, everyone will hate him and everyone will hate him and everyone loved him. well, not everyone loved him. well, not everyone well, but it turns out that nigel farage is a gentleman, charming at that. christine.

>> no, i think itv must be absolutely appalled at what they've done. >> they catapulted in, created this monster. i know, mine is a rather more boring, i'm afraid, but it's yet another. >> it's all about alternative energy which everybody is into etc. in the right place, >> you can now cook with grass cuttings. >> what grass ? grass cuttings >> what grass? grass cuttings from roadside verges are going to be poured into an an enormous anaerobic digester and it turns into gas. and this is going to be pumped into people's homes. and this isn't science fiction. this is happening in august. that's next month in bridgwater in somerset. it's becoming the first place to use this green fuel generated at a recycling plant. so they mix up the grass on the side of the verges instead of leaving it to rot, which is not good for biodiversity. apparently they leave it to grow taller than it would otherwise grow. and then it goes into this great big vat, churns it all around and out comes gas. >> i think that's quite a good idea. >> i think it's a very good idea

because it's using a waste product that would otherwise. >> oh yeah, clippings of grass. i think that's great. >> that's what we want there in the sunday times page. whatever there's a huge if you're interested in the science. >> there it is. it's really fascinating. right. well my supplement sunday is because somebody sent me a message about in january and i didn't see it on my facebook. but then i had to show you this picture, alison fitzpatrick. it's her mum who watches the show. so we have a picture of alison fitzpatrick's mum. i've got a picture there. there she is. oh, look, there she. she's 96 years old. wow. and she watches the show. so i just had to literally show that picture. >> oh lovely lady, lovely picture . picture. >> oh, thank you very much, alison, for sending me that. >> and a lady in costco in coventry. who's your biggest fan ? coventry. who's your biggest fan? she said hello to me on thursday. >> oh thank you, thank you to the lady in costco as well in coventry. coventry >> belated happy birthday for last friday 44 again. >> yeah. 44. you could have said 21 christine. that would have .

21 christine. that would have. sorry. yes. well, i wanted to be realistic . how sorry. yes. well, i wanted to be realistic. how dare sorry. yes. well, i wanted to be realistic . how dare she. do you realistic. how dare she. do you know i had a picture on twitter and it was me with no makeup on and it was me with no makeup on and a thing pushed back, a little bit of powder and some mascara, and somebody goes, that's not you. where are the eye bags? and then they started sending screenshots of me on tv news with eye bags going, no, you've done. and to be i have not doctored that picture to just eye bags. exactly. well listen on today's show i've been asking, do you believe that labour will stick to their pledge on tax? according to our twitter poll, just 5.6% of you say yes and 94.4% of you say no. and in response to the question is that time to nationalise water? 73% of you say, yes, 27% of you say no. well, i'm with you on that. i've got to say thank you so much to my panel, author and broadcaster christine hamilton and also broadcaster and journalist danny kelly. thank you guys. and thank you, ali. huge thank you to you at home for your company. neil oliver is up next. i'll leave you with the weather. have a fabulous week.

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working week gets off to a fine start across the far north of scotland. 1 or 2 showers, but plenty of sunshine to start monday here, whereas across central and southern parts of scotland, more in the way of cloud around, there'll be some outbreaks of rain locally on the heavy side and a few heavy bursts still across parts of northern ireland into parts of northern england too. so a pretty damp start across these central parts of the uk. further south, outbreaks of rain moving in across wales into some western parts of england, whereas across central, eastern and southeastern england monday gets off to a fine start. it'll be some sunshine around and temperatures not doing too badly at this stage either. as for the rest of monday, well, it's the central slice of the uk, northern ireland, southern scotland and the north of england, which will generally see the worst of the conditions, outbreaks of rain giving way to sunshine and a scattering of showers. some of those showers could well turn quite heavy, even thundery, into the afternoon. across england and wales, outbreaks of rain clear away towards the east, giving way to a much brighter afternoon and some brightness towards the far north of scotland too. in the sunshine in the south—east we'll see highs of 24 or 25 celsius into the evening on monday. further outbreaks of rain will push in across northern ireland. were holding

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united kingdom's resilience and preparedness for a pandemic emergency . will be debating what emergency. will be debating what the new labour government should do if we are to cut carbon emissions significantly by 2030 andindeed emissions significantly by 2030 and indeed whether that is even and indeed whether that is even a desirable aim in the first place. and i'll be discussing a truly momentous week in american politics as president donald trump survived an assassination attempt before naming his running mate for his presidential bid. all of that coming up and plenty of discussion with my panellists this week, andrew eborn. but first, an update on the latest news headlines . news headlines. >> good evening. the top stories from the gb newsroom . rachel from the gb newsroom. rachel reeves has suggested that pay rises could be on the way for

pubuc rises could be on the way for public sector workers.