calls now for her to step down should she. and speaking of stepping down, many people also saying that joe biden should as well. your thoughts on all of that? and our prime minister, sir keir starmer, has announced plans for skills in england now to be fixed and for it all to be run much better. is that really what we need? and a report out today says that all citizens should be

more involved in national policy, think things like citizens, assemblies, etc. would you support that and what it perhaps build more trust in politics and my favourite story of the day. quite frankly anti—social behaviour. it's a blight isn't it? but what we're going to do about it over in grimsby, they are going to trial a system. basically they're going to blast out the rules of law and order every 15 minutes over loudspeakers. is this a goodidea over loudspeakers. is this a good idea or not? and will it make a blind bit of difference? all of that and more. but first, the 6:00 news headlines. >> michelle, thank you and good evening to you. well as you've been hearing, the head of the us secret service has admitted that the attempt to assassinate donald trump was the most significant operational us secret service failure. for decades. kimberly cheadle has been testifying before a congressional committee in an

effort to explain herself following the attempt to kill donald trump last week, she was being questioned about the security lapses that allowed a lone rifleman to successfully take aim at mr trump, saying that she accepts full responsibility for what went wrong. >> the assassination attempt of former president donald trump on july 13th is the most significant operational failure of the secret service in decades, and i am keeping him and his family in my thoughts. the secret service's solemn mission is to protect our nation's leaders. on july 13th, we failed . we failed. >> meanwhile, financial donations to the us democrats have surged after president biden's announcement he is stepping down from the us presidential race. in an online statement yesterday, joe biden instead endorsed his vp kamala harris, as his favourite for the president, but similar endorsements were significantly missing from former president obama and prominent democrat nancy pelosi . it comes after he

nancy pelosi. it comes after he faced increasing calls to step aside since his poor debate performance against donald trump last week. well, here the prime minister, sir keir starmer, has praised joe biden , a man who praised joe biden, a man who dunng praised joe biden, a man who during five decades of service never lost touch with the concerns of working people and always put his country first. >> a true friend of the labour movement, his presidency will leave a legacy that extends far beyond america to freedom and security. on this continent . security. on this continent. >> now, the home secretary has told the commons today that the rwanda scheme has cost the british taxpayer £700 million. yvette cooper described the migrant deterrent scheme as the most shocking waste of taxpayers money she'd ever seen. she said she'd take urgent to action start clearing the asylum backlog. in one simple change that she also said would save the taxpayer an estimated £7 billion over the next ten years.

that's after nearly 1500 migrants arrived in the uk after a busy week of crossings in the engush a busy week of crossings in the english channel, the prime minister has set out plans to cut reliance on foreign workers by improving skills training in england. it's called skills england. it's called skills england. it's called skills england. it was a manifesto pledge from labour and is designed to fix what they're describing as the fragmented and broken training system we have in the uk. in a speech, sir keir starmer argued that a new approach is needed to reduce the need for immigration in key sectors. but the conservatives have warned that the plans to redirect cash could in fact cut the number of apprenticeships on offer . now an the number of apprenticeships on offer. now an 11 year old girl has been left orphaned following a crash which killed four members of her family, as well as a motorcyclist and pillion passenger in west yorkshire , passenger in west yorkshire, shane roller, his partner shannon morgan and their daughters lily and ruby died on the a61 near wakefield, when

their ford focus car was in collision with that motorbike. a fundraising page has been set up for 11 year old poppy, who was not in the car when it crashed. it has now reached over £70,000. the scene of the crash has remained closed. police investigations are continuing and superintendent alan travis, from west yorkshire police, said it's an absolutely tragic incident resulting in the loss of six lives. now wales's health minister alan morgan has announced she's running to replace the outgoing first minister, vaughan gething, who lasted just four months in the job. baroness morgan seen here in these pictures, if you're watching on television on the left, we'll be standing on what they're calling a joint unity ticket with the rural affairs minister, hugh irranca—davies, who would become the deputy first minister. they've received a groundswell of support from across the labour benches in wales , including from mr wales, including from mr gething, his rival in the last leadership race. jeremy miles . leadership race. jeremy miles. and just lastly, the prince and

princess of wales have shared a new photograph of prince george to mark his 11th birthday. the image was taken by his mum, princess catherine, and is posted on kensington palace's social media accounts. it's a black and white shot. if you're watching on tv, you can see that showing the future king smiling, wearing very smart white shirt and dark blazer, happy birthday to george! those are the latest gb news headlines. for now, i'm polly middlehurst. i'm back in an hour. >> see you then for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code or go to gbnews.com forward slash alerts . slash alerts. >> thank you very much for that , >> thank you very much for that, polly and michelle dewberry. and i'm with you until 7:00 tonight. i'm with you until 7:00 tonight. i looked on at that picture there of prince george in or because i don't know about your

children, but i don't think i would ever be able to get an image of my child looking as, as poised and as sophisticated and all the rest of it as that . all the rest of it as that. alongside me, i've got former labour adviser and political commentator joe phillips labour adviser and political commentatorjoe phillips and the commentator joe phillips and the former deputy leader of reform uk, ben habib. would you ever manage to get a shot of your children looking as well—presented as that? >> well, i think that's manicured, isn't it? he's been made to sit still and he's been done up. >> but they do wear these rather, sort of old fashioned outfits , don't they? i mean, outfits, don't they? i mean, they dress like little grown ups. they have to, i was there. >> how do you bribe your child to sit as well as you look as good. yeah, yeah, but i'm not sure. is that a positive? is that enough to make a child sit still? it make me run for the hills. i could tell you, anyway, i am with you until 7:00 tonight. your thoughts on all the goings on? i've got a lot i want to talk to you about tonight's secret service. i'll come on to that at joe biden. i also want to talk to you about a story that caught my eye in

grimsby. they're going to be trialling, blasting out the laws, on that kind of big mega speakers on the streets of grimsby to try and tackle anti—social behaviour. what do you make to that, i find it absolutely fascinating. would love to know your thoughts on that. you can get in touch all the usual ways gbnews.com/yoursay on the website you can email me at gb views @gbnews. com or of course you can tweet or text me before i get into my roster. i will just tell you this. i thought because i thought of you last night, i did, i was on a campsite , i was camping, which campsite, i was camping, which is why i wasn't here on friday and it was. our final night of the trip was all gathered around a campfire, and the organisers asked for suggestions of songs to sing. and a couple of people suggested, come by our bin. and you know what? do you know what the response was? what the organisers tried to each other and said, it was too religious and said, it was too religious and we couldn't sing it because it could offend people. oh wow. and i thought, what would ben habib say? well, ben habib was here. >> i can't see ben habib in a tent. >> can you not?

>> can you not? >> i was talking about the end of cultural christianity just the other day. you know, whether or not you believe in christianity. we're turning our back on our whole. well, yeah. >> and that's why i was thinking about you. i was thinking if he was around this campfire now, i don't think betterbee would have any of that . any of that. >> dib dob all i can say to you anyway, we went for jingang guli guli instead. >> we did that one anyway, look, let's talk about the big news of the day. not about my campfire. look, the hare, the director of the secret service, kimberly cheatle . she's been grilled over cheatle. she's been grilled over in congress. listen, the assassination attempt of former president donald trump on july 13th is the most significant operational failure of the secret service in decades. >> and i am keeping him and his family in my thoughts. the secret service's solemn mission is to protect our nation's leaders. on july 13th, we failed . leaders. on july 13th, we failed. >> you did indeed, many people now say that she should have to step down. what do you make to

all this, ben habib? it was really quite shocking. >> well, without wishing to go through the events, i suppose, i suppose you've got to go through the events. which no doubt people have done ad nauseum. there was clearly a massive breach of security on the day this, you know, these high points which should have been policed and cordoned off or prevent, you know, had eyes on them, at least, were allowed to go unchecked . the people in the go unchecked. the people in the crowd saw this guy getting his rifle ready. he had a high powered rifle. it wasn't a sporting rifle. not one. you can. you know, get out and put put together easily. and it requires a bit of effort, and then it took 2 or 3 minutes and he let off, what, 4 or 5 shots before he was taken out? i mean, the whole thing was a disaster. and then, i mean, i'm not a security expert, but the way trump went down and then emerged standing proud with his head presented again, in case you know, if there'd been another shooter, he was presented by the security services in my mind, you know, they were around him, but he was standing proud above them. the whole thing was a

disaster. and whether or not cheatle should resign is really not for me to say. i don't know the inner workings of the american secret service, but, you know , massive breach of you know, massive breach of security. i just find it absolutely fascinating because when anything kind of bad happens, tragic, everyone pops up and everyone seems to think they're like an armchair expert in whatever subject it is, >> notwithstanding that you really don't need to be an armchair expert to have seen lots of the footage where people were literally filming the shooter and saying to the police, there's a guy up there, he's got a gun, he's got a gun. you really don't need to know anything really about inner workings to know that that was completely catastrophic failure. >> exactly. and apparently didn't the killers or. sorry, the shooter's father, didn't he contact the police as well some time before? i mean, i don't know enough about the relationship between the secret service and the police. you know that the police can't move without the secret service saying so. but, i mean, it does seem, as you point out, michel, if people were going, look, you know, he's up there, he's bare

crawling on the roof and all the rest of it. why did they let it happen? and why was the roof unchecked? well exactly. yeah, indeed. >> anyway, so there's calls for her to stand down. but i can tell you now, there's also calls, for joe biden to tell you now, there's also calls, forjoe biden to stand calls, for joe biden to stand down as well. everyone will know by now that he's not, going to run in the next election. also, kamala harris, she's been speaking out as well today. let's take a listen. >> our president, joe biden, wanted to be here today. he is feeling much better and recovering fast. joe biden's legacy of accomplishment over the past three years is unmatched in modern history. in one term, he has already. unmatched in modern history. in one term, he has already . yes, one term, he has already. yes, you may clap . one term, he has already. yes, you may clap. in one one term, he has already. yes, you may clap . in one term, he you may clap. in one term, he has already surpassed the legacy of most presidents who have served two terms in office. >> now, ben, there'll be some people tuning in that are going, oh, michelle, there's so much going on in the uk. why are you

focusing on all of this us stuff? but actually what is going on in the uk will have a huge, potential impact here. so in the us we'll have a huge potential impact here in the uk. keir starmer, he was speaking out today and the first load of questions to him was directly about this as well, joe biden, should he go. >> so i mean he absolutely should go. and any president who handsin should go. and any president who hands in the nomination, de facto admits he has to go and the case was, you know, unanswerable. i think for him to 90, unanswerable. i think for him to go, what is remarkable is, is that he hasn't left office. now, you know, if he's not fit to stand for election in november, he's presumably not fit. >> but we don't know the reasons why he's not standing, do we? >> well, i think it's pretty clear, isn't it, michelle? again, without wishing to, you know, jump in, he's incapable of holding a coherent conversation , holding a coherent conversation, i think, let alone govern the country. >> surmising he didn't say in his letter, you know, i am withdrawing my name from this nomination because of illness or because of my doctors have told

me to. he just said, i'm stepping back now. you know, the cynics amongst us and those of us who follow elections closely would say he's looked at the numbers and he knows he can't beat biden or can't beat trump, but you know, it is. >> but that's no reason to give up the nomination. >> but it might be for him. >> but it might be for him. >> well, that's an incredibly cavalier approach. >> it might be. >> it might be. >> it might your position. >> it might your position. >> it might your position. >> i wonder whether once the democrats have chosen who their nominee is, that he then might make a decision about, okay, i'm he doesn't need to stand down. >> they've got a he has to he has to stood down. no but you but you mean standing down from the presidency. >> so he's he's taken his name off. yeah he doesn't want to be the nominee nominee anymore. but he's of course, still in office. yeah we know he's currently he's still in office. >> and there are people who say he should therefore stand down from the presidency. well, why? he's got a vice president. that's what she was doing. >> remind ourselves then what's caused a lot of this controversy? because a lot of it many people will say that things started to go wrong for biden dufing started to go wrong for biden

during that debate. i think it was about the 27th of june. things like this were occurring. >> what eligible for what i've been able to do with the with the covid, excuse me, with, deaung the covid, excuse me, with, dealing with everything we have to do with, look , if we finally to do with, look, if we finally beat medicare. >> thank you, president biden , >> thank you, president biden, on the total initiative relative to what we're going to do with more border patrol and more asylum officers, president trump , asylum officers, president trump, i really don't know what he said at the end of that sentence. >> i don't think he knows what he said, either. >> and, i mean, i've got to say, look at this one as well. you'll be familiar with this, mix up as well. >> and now i want to hand it over to the president of ukraine, who has as much courage as he has determination. ladies and gentlemen, president putin. >> see, i've got to say , i'm >> see, i've got to say, i'm laughing because you're laughing, ben, i've always been debate, isn't it? i've always maintained. i've never changed, that. i've always felt

uncomfortable about this . about uncomfortable about this. about this, because there is a mocking of the decline going on, and it makes me so uncomfortable because i feel like i'm watching almost like an elderly relative cognitively decline. >> i mean, there's a human aspect to feeling sympathy. of course , and we shouldn't be course, and we shouldn't be unsympathetic. but he is the president of the free world. he's the president of the most powerful country on earth. he has to have his , his his wits has to have his, his his wits about him. he can't get on stage and forget who the who the president hang on, hang on minute. >> i mean, i think, you know, there is of ukraine is there is a point in a war i've just mixed up biden and trump when we were speaking earlier, you know, you can do that. >> but joe, you're not running the us of a no, i'm not, i'm not. >> but i think you know, we're focusing on on biden. we're not focusing on on biden. we're not focusing on on biden. we're not focusing on the absolute balderdash that comes out of the mouth of donald trump. you know, who talks about hannibal lecter as though he's a real person and as though he's a real person and a person, but can i just say, can i just say, hang on a minute, because i just want to

make the point or go back to michel's point. i mean, i watched my dad die, and he had alzheimer's and dementia, and my mother's in a care home with dementia. it is as many people watching this and listening to this will know it is the most appalling disease. it robs you of everything that you knew about that person. and it robs them of their dignity. and i think , you know, one of the think, you know, one of the things that's hardest to deal with, and this is the assumption that that is what he's suffering from. which of course, we don't know. >> well, he's got a cognitive dysfunction, cognitive decline, but we don't know. >> but let us assume that that is the thing. and one of the things that happens to people with, alzheimer's or dementia is that they have moments of lucidity and then, you know, and we are into and luckily somebody has done it. you've got to take the car keys away, which is now happened. >> and that then begs the question why he's still in office, doesn't it? >> because he's got a vice president and he's got people around him if he. so you're saying so someone with cognitive

difficulties could be the president of the united states of america? >> i just don't buy that. he's got trump, donald trump standing. >> i mean, i would like to see the focus on him, donald. >> hold on, because that's completely different. if someone's got a medical condition that we don't know that we know. that's why i said it's pretty clear, isn't it? >> he's got a medical condition, one assumes, or he's so intellectually challenged. it's one or the other. >> well, yeah, we assume, but we don't know. >> you see, one of the things that i >> you see, one of the things that! do >> you see, one of the things that i do feel as been going on is you see stuff with your own eyes and you watch kind of exchanges like that, and they're uncomfortable. they're not nice to watch. and then but then when you're seeing someone decline, then we're constantly being almost like gaslit in a way, because when people are flagging concerns and saying, look, this person, there's something not quite right here, then you're being told all the time we've been manipulated and that we know we what we're seeing isn't real. and so on and so forth. and it's pretty damn insulting, actually. and i don't understand why the loved ones of joe biden has put him through this. why would you not have been in his

ear trying to, you know, encourage that or or whatever? >> and i think that's a really good question, michel. and i think, you know, there are a lot of fingers have been pointing at jill biden over the last few months. and certainly since that dreadful debate, you know, and she's been painted as a sort of lady macbeth figure that why was she not saying to him, look, sweetie, you know, the game is up. it's time to withdraw gracefully. >> but the bigger debate for me, by the way, he's gone. he's not well, he's gone in the future. he whether or not he should go now, i kind of agree reluctantly with you that it probably makes no difference. i personally would get rid of him if he's not able to stand for election, but not with. but can i can i just move on to the bigger debate here? is kamala harris effectively circumventing all the which i suspect is going to happen all the normal processes to get the democratic nomination through the back door , through the back door, symptomatic of the way the conservative party started acting in the last few days in its office, and people now saying we can't challenge her nomination because she's a i hate this expression, person of

colour. and it would be seen to be all blue and awful if someone put their hat in the ring, and also that anyone is fearful of challenging her because if she loses the election, as she likely is, they'll then blame them for it. i mean, the whole thing has become a bit of a charade, hasn't it? >> has it? you tell me at home. what do you think about that? also, i want to talk to you about skills in england. that's what keir starmer wants to talk about today. he reckons he's got about today. he reckons he's got a plan to fix it. of course. immigration, is the response that many will give to that. i want to talk to you about all of that. plus anti—social behaviour and how to fix it. i'll see in

hello there. i'm michelle dewberry, and i'm with you till 7:00 tonight alongside me, ben habib and joe phillips remain now . sir keir starmer. of now. sir keir starmer. of course. he wanted just to talk about this today. he was grilled

about this today. he was grilled about the american stuff. but let's look at what he wanted us all to be focused on. on our conversations this evening. >> listen, another marker of the future with the launch of a new organisation that we hope will transform not just how we train our young people and adults, but also the relationship between business and education system. a plan to make sure that we're training young people not for just any business, but for the businesses that exist in their communities. the skills that you and they need to take each other forward so causes many things behind this. >> many people are saying if labour are going to reduce the dependency on migration, well, how are you going to do it? perhaps this is one of the answers. >> well, i think i think i mean, i can't fault the initiative . of i can't fault the initiative. of course, the initiative is great. bringing skills back to british population. i've seen in my own lifetime how we've given up

skill after skill after skill . skill after skill after skill. you know, i'm in property and in the building. in the building process, we've just given it all up and soon we won't be able to build buildings because it'll all be done with meccano pre designs and you know, three dimensional technology and stuff, which will prefab houses and it'll just be put together and it'll just be put together and they'll all be bloomin awful to behold and live in. so i'm a big believer in bringing skills back. but we've got to remember it was the labour party that abolished the polytechnics and upgraded them to all universities. got rid of perfectly valid, useful degrees which gave you proper skills that you could use in the real world and replace them with, you know, all these mickey mouse degrees that we discuss or have discussed on this programme, apart from in other places, and i'd like to see how this works out, whether it is just another virtue signalling move by the labour government to give the impression that they're doing something, or whether it is a genuine effort to do it, but it has to also come hand in hand with reforming the tax system . with reforming the tax system. if you want the kinds of skills

that we need to operate as a country, plumbers, builders, you know, i'm speaking from personal experience because of the industry that i'm involved in. you've got to you've got to get rid of ir35. you've got to make it a pleasant environment for people to be sole traders . people to be sole traders. you've got to make it worth their while to do it. you've got to make it worth their while to do it . you've got their while to do it. you've got to increase, for example, the vat threshold from the £93,000 per annum that it set at to 150,000 minimum. you know, these it's not a one policy step that's going to fix our broken skills, mark, you know , our skills, mark, you know, our absence of skills, we've got to have a holistic approach to it. >> and i'm sure they would argue that that is indeed what is coming our way. joe, what do you make it? >> well, i have to say, i mean, i agree with ben on what tony blair did by wanting to have 50% of children going to university and completely forgot the other 50, and we've always had a problem in this country, which i think is deeply rooted in snobbery, where we've never had

the proper respect and regard for people who are skilled, whether they're electricians or builders or hairdressers or care workers or anything , they're workers or anything, they're always at the bottom of the pile. and i think that's been endemic, that we've never valued that. endemic, that we've never valued that . and i think, you know, that. and i think, you know, what ben says about getting rid of polytechnics and the old technical schools, was a terrible mistake because they weren't replaced with anything. so you end up with people going to schools and coming out, having done, you know, some sort of half arsed, gcse important. >> sorry. i'm sorry everybody. >> sorry. i'm sorry everybody. >> one cheeked, shall we say it like that. >> i was impressed, joe. i was i was going to come in right behind you there. >> one buttock, one buttock idea. of, you know, a little bit of business studies, a little bit of this, that and the other and not doing things. so i think apprenticeships are a really good thing. and the previous there have been various in incarnations of this, as ben knows , some of them have been knows, some of them have been accused by employers of being so

cumbersome and so, red tape heavy that they're almost impossible to, to manufacture , impossible to, to manufacture, to work. and the other thing is the abuse of it, which has happened, particularly in the bigger organisations , where bigger organisations, where instead of going and getting young people in that they've used it to retrain older people within their own organisation. >> yeah, but you can do that and you can do it. yes you can. misunderstanding about apprenticeships is people think it's just for young kids entering the world of work for the first time, and it isn't. there's no age limit. and i think that's brilliant because loads of people, loads of viewers will be watching, and they've been perhaps, i don't know, made redundant or whatever. and they find themselves in a situation where they need to reskill and ageism. i do believe ageism is still a thing in the world of work, and i applaud, actually, that employers do take that money and do apply it to older workers to help them , yes, but not if they are. >> if not, if they're already in an organisation. i mean, it should be for new people, whether they're old or young,

unemployed people. >> you mean, well, unemployed or, you know, newly entering the jobs market at whatever age. >> you know why? >> you know why? >> if you've got if you've got an entry level role in an organisation, why shouldn't you be able to get access to skills? training and so on and so forth to progress yourself ? to progress yourself? >> well, i'm not saying you shouldn't, but but i think where there has been abuse is where an organisation and this has been particularly prevalent, i understand in the public sector where they've taken the money. so they haven't actually employed any new person or trained a new person. so they've taken the money on top of you know, the person they've already got. >> and i guess a flip side, and i know many people will have experienced this themselves as well. lots of organisations took this money and take this money. they employ young people on an apprenticeship wage to do, you know, menial jobs, but then they don't support it with the right amount of training, they try and do whatever it is at a minimal level to tick the box to get this cash. and actually what that young person ends up with

is not a lot, really. >> i mean, actually, what we do needis >> i mean, actually, what we do need is formal training in skills in genuine skills. yeah, absolutely. >> and i think this is i mean, if this works, i think it's a good thing. and the fact that they're bringing in the chap from the co—op, richard pennycook, you know, and bringing in other people, it might pull together. you know, some of the good bits from previous schemes and look at some of the things that singapore, there's a great scheme and it's, it's something like all, residents get. >> i don't know how much it is. i'll say a £500, but i don't know the exact sum. so you all get an amount of money and you can use it to skill yourself, skills, credits or something they're called. so you all have pots of money that you can access to develop and advance yourself as an individual. and i think that's absolutely i mean, singapore has got so much right. >> you know, it runs a fantastic economy. i'm not sure i completely buy into their politics, but the way that they run themselves in economy is phenomenal. >> so do you think then that this will go some way in terms of trying to reduce the levels of trying to reduce the levels of legal migration? because that is a question that many people

will be? >> well, it's critical, but i as i come back to the holistic approach, you know, if it's very cumbersome, if for example, we continue with this precautionary principle , highly regulated principle, highly regulated environment in which we operate and you can only practice as a sole practitioner if you've got insurance, if you meet all the health and safety standards, if you are having you have to report on your own carbon footprint. when you do your job. i sent you something by email, by text today on on carbon footprints and stuff. you know, if that's the kind of burdensome, economic environment that this labour party is, is going to go on championing, then no, no amount of repurposing people, giving them skill sets. they need to do this great sort of artisan stuff is going to work because there won't be able to afford to do it. you've got to afford to do it. you've got to reform the tax system, you've got to get rid of vat, you've got to get rid of vat, you've got to get rid of vat, you've got to deregulate, you've got to you've got to liberate smes. and this is one of the things about brexit was to get rid of the eu so that we could deregulate,

champion 96% of businesses in this country by number of small and medium sized enterprises. >> i mean, if you make it easier and more attractive for businesses, then that's a good thing. but the other thing that needs to be examined is where is the old day release? you know, there is a point you can learn an awful lot on the job, but at some point you maybe have to go into a workshop, you know, whether it's to learn welding or bricklaying or hairdressing, you can't do it all on the job. and so many further education and technical colleges have cut those courses or just simply don't offer them that. it makes it quite difficult. and so i think just very quickly, the point that keir starmer makes about about what is needed regionally or locally is really, really good. and you can see that already beginning to work with the mayor. he's talking the talk. >> yeah. but it's whether they walk the walk. >> well you know, if you need a lot of builders on teesside then it makes sense to be offering those sorts of things. if you need a lot of care workers in manchester. >> but do you not agree, joe,

that in, in isolation it's not going to solve the problem ? going to solve the problem? >> no, it's got to be joined up because it's other things like as michelle touched on, you know, an apprenticeship salary wage is £5 an hour or lots of you are getting in touch about this, hazel said. >> i've contacted you many times about this, she said our grandson finished his apprenticeship, is now qualified bricklayer with all of his certificates and whatnot . she certificates and whatnot. she says he cannot get a job there at many building sites, she reckons that the building sites where they live, they only want to employ foreign workers because they're cheaper. is that your experience at home? get in touch and tell me your thoughts, lee says michelle, i've got some friends that have got 16 year old, children. they're not interested in going to college. they're not very academic. they don't want to go on and continue that path. they just want to work, he says. but unless they do an apprenticeship, they don't seem to be able to do it. rob, you said you've got an idea. how about if anyone that's currently on benefits enters the world of work? they should have a period of paying lower tax. what do you

think to that quickly? >> i think it's great. i think so much can be done to incentivise different behaviour, positive behaviour through the taxation system, and we just don't do it enough. we use the tax system, the government uses the taxation system effectively to punish us. >> but but you can you know, there's lots of things you can do . incentives like transport if do. incentives like transport if you're only earning apprenticeship wages you can't afford the cost of can i just quickly finish, you know, there's been a debate on the albert memorial and whether or not it's an offence to you. >> look, you look at the skill required to create the albert memorial. it is phenomenal. and we talk about being a poorer society today in economic and monetary terms . we are a poorer monetary terms. we are a poorer society altogether. what they could do 200 years ago, in many respects belittles what we can do now. that's how hollowed out we've become. there you go. >> and i think, you know, one of the most important asks, i'm going to sound like an old grandma now, but one of the most

important things i think we could do with teaching young kids, is all about the benefits of delayed gratification. because actually, you can take an apprenticeship or something at a lower wage today. yes you know what? you might earn a little bit less than your your peers, your friends at the moment in time. but what you can then achieve later on in life, can far surpass some of your mates. but the problem is so many young people, they just want instant gratification, don't they? anyway, what are you doing on august the 26th? >> i'm going to try and get some instant gratification. i oh, crikey. well, okay. >> lord balfe before the watershed, the reason that i'm asking, all of you, alex, set it all up to you guys as well, what you're doing on august the 26th, because there was an appeal out that really caught my eye. and there is a thing, believe it or not, everybody called the world gravy wrestling championships, right? well, they're appealing for candidates. everyone. it's the 26th of august. it's a pub in lancashire. i absolutely love this . who would have thought it this. who would have thought it was a thing? it's a two minute bout. you get into a paddling pool bout. you get into a paddling pool, you can be in fancy dress

if you want. you wrestle your opponents and you get the glory. look at that. a vat of gravy going on. >> there is no gratification in that. >> no, i think you're busy. i've just looked at your diary, ben. you can't. you're not available. >> no personal impact. just stacked it, i think this is absolutely fabulous . absolutely fabulous. >> blackpool once for a party conference many years ago. and was astonished to stand behind a lady in a queue at the fish and chip shop who asked for a gravy sandwich, a gravy sandwich. >> oh goodness me, that's a whole different level of wrong. and by the way, the gravy in that paddling pool. i have issue with that. did you see how runny it is? that is that's not gravy. that's brown water. anyway, look, i want to talk to you after the break. anti social behaviour. there's a great plan, putting into place in grimsby. you won't believe it. i'll tell what it is two.

hi there. michelle dewberry toll

seven. joe phillips and ben habib remain alongside me before the break, i was asking appealing for contestants for the, gravy wrestling championship. it was a serious appeal by the way, because they're lacking contestants. i think i fixed it during the break, though. ben habib nigel farage in a paddling pool of gravy , we'll soon flush it all gravy, we'll soon flush it all out. we'll soon, soon fix life on gb news view on gb news. that'll get the viewers in, won't it? right. look, let's talk anti—social behaviour in grimsby. they're going to trial a new system where every single 15 minutes they're going to blast over a speaker system into the streets of grimsby. rules. by the streets of grimsby. rules. by which i just mean, basically you know, don't peddle on the pavement, don't ride on the pavement, don't ride on the pavement, whatever . is this pavement, whatever. is this going to tackle anti—social behaviour? ben habib i mean, you know, having now stood in two elections this year and campaigned in the local elections, i can tell you the biggest problem the electorate have is not people cycling in inappropriate lanes and so on. >> it's almost dystopian listening to what they're

planning in grimsby because the real issues are knife crime is up, violent crime is up, syringes are being left all over the place. there's weed every five seconds. barber shops, vaping shops, all money laundering, cash . these are the laundering, cash. these are the big issues. >> hang on. there'll be some barber shop, some vape shops that are not. >> well, let me tell you, in the ten minute walk that i used to have from my hotel in wellingborough to the gym ten minute walk, there would be there were at least ten barber shops and there was . shops and there was. >> i know it's all beauty. that's why he's got such a good quiff going on there. carry on. sorry. and they're all fronts for effectively say that. >> well all the very significant number are not entirely legitimate. okay. not perhaps there's just no way they can be all deployed usefully cutting people's hair in wellingborough. it's just not possible . and it's just not possible. and these are the issues i, i don't know, men's hair, i don't know, i think i think we need to send an investigative reporter, but these are the issues people want deau these are the issues people want dealt with in terms of, you know, the criminal justice system.

>> it's not i definitely agree with you, by the way. there definitely will be a lot of that going on. i just need to clarify that. not all. no, no, i'm not doing that. >> perhaps i'm you know, going to the extreme in order to exemplify the point, but, that's what people want dealt with. it's not someone transgressing out of their cycle lane into a pedestrian area. but, you know, i mean, that's a pain in the neck, but it's dystopian to have that played at you non—stop on a speaken that played at you non—stop on a speaker, is it? >> i think that anti—social behaviour is the thin end of the wedge, and it is in many, many areas because it's that, you know, the litter that doesn't get picked up, the litter that doesn't get put in the bins, the, the disregard for, for notices, whether it's about cycling on pavements or whatever it is, you know , lots of local it is, you know, lots of local authorities have got lots of powers that they don't enforce ehhen powers that they don't enforce either, because they haven't got the people to do it , either, because they haven't got the people to do it, or either, because they haven't got the people to do it , or they are the people to do it, or they are not minded to do it and they can do on the spot fines for all sorts of things. the idea of having a message being broadcast every 15 minutes would frankly make me want to rip out the speakers and shove them

somewhere where you'll never hear them again, except with perhaps an echo , and i think, perhaps an echo, and i think, you know, whether that works or not. i don't think so. i think it'll just annoy people. and it has got a sort of a sense of big brother about it. i mean, there are schemes that have been tried in the past, do it in quite a lot of shopping centres, classical music, for instance, that sort of thing. anything that's slightly sort of lowers the temperature, but , you know, the temperature, but, you know, you, you don't see this sort of anti—social behaviour, sheila makes a good point on the website. >> she goes, michelle, can i just ask how many languages are they going to make these announcements in? that's a good point. that is a very good point, sheila. a very good point. i think they'll come a bit unstuck with some of that. but anyway, they'll probably have to anyway. don't even get me started off. go on, carry on. joe. >> no, ijust joe. >> no, i just think, you know, you don't see the same levels of anti—social behaviour in towns and cities around europe quite so much. and i think part of thatis so much. and i think part of that is because more people live in cities and town centres. they're not so hollowed out

because of the death of retail. and i think, you know, one of the things that this government could be doing when they want to build new houses, more houses is converting retail. >> oh my goodness, i so agree with you. they've turned their backs. they've turned their backs. they've turned their backs on town centres . and if backs on town centres. and if you bring life back to the town centre, you bring security back to the town centre. >> cut crime instead of having these dead areas. so, you know, can we have that as a clip? i don't you agreeing i'm a stock. >> i do want to speak out in defence of the speaker systems because actually i think what we could do with a bit more in society is a bit of public shaming. if people were actually made to feel ashamed of some of their antics, then perhaps, just maybe, and this is a child, don't forget then just maybe, people might actually think twice about some of what they're doing. for my sins, i had to get on the london underground today, right? and as i was walking, you know, through the tunnels, there was an announcement calling for the british transport police to attend platform seven or whatever. and it was saying a

pickpocket was in operation. and i thought to myself, why aren't you saying. and for anyone on platform seven, it is the fella in the yellow jacket with the with the blue jeans and the brown hair. and this he is taking things out of your. why don't you name and shame that guy? get some attention. brought on him and then people might packit on him and then people might pack it in. he's not looking very convinced at me. he thinks it's quite dystopian. what do you guys think to it all at home? all citizens? do you think we need to be more involved in the politics of our nations? one report today calls for more things like citizens assemblies. your thoughts on that? i'll see you in

hi there. michelle dewberry toal seven. political commentator joe phillips and former deputy leader of reform uk ben habib alongside me. i think i've started something now. talking about the speaker systems, and pubuc about the speaker systems, and

public shaming. francis says bfing public shaming. francis says bring bring back the stocks, other people say, what about chucking rotten tomatoes at people? i'm not sure i'd go that far or gravy. >> i think we put them in stocks and chuck gravy at them. >> i just think there are too many people in society that have no shame when it comes to behaving appallingly . did you behaving appallingly. did you see that fella? i think it was greggs or something the other day. he's just emptying fridge loads of food into carrier bags. it don't care who sees him. he don't care about getting into trouble. i think it's appalling. i'd love to be a store detective for a day because i would. i'd get my speaker system. i'd make the announcements. you on aisle seven? i can see what you're doing. you're being filmed. but maybe i'm going too far. rob says. michelle, you do realise that in north korea they have the kind of speaker systems that you are advocating and what's the kind of crime rates there? you tell me, look, let's, let's talk about citizens and how involved we should be when it comes to politics, because now a think tank, demos, has been writing a report saying that basically a new era of public participation in policymaking,

needs to happen . i don't like needs to happen. i don't like what they then go on to say, because then they start with these silly lines like, oh, it's all about tackling populism. and all about tackling populism. and all the rest of it. people are not so—called populist because they're not involved in politics. people are so—called populists, i.e. wanting to control borders because nobody in government is listening to them with the policies that they keep introducing. but anyway, do we need citizens assemblies? >> ben habib i'm reluctant. you know, there's always this desire to muck around with the way our system works. and i'm reluctant to have any knee jerk reactions, particularly at the moment for the united kingdom , because the united kingdom, because we've only we're only just partially recovering our independence from the eu. we haven't fully got it yet. we're still the fight continues, but we're only partially recovering it. and i think we've got to give our institutions time to, you know, for example , you know, for example, parliament needs time to cease being a district council , which being a district council, which is how it behaves at best, and start making decisions for the national interest. and you know,

putting the country first and, you know, quaint things like that. and i want to give the systems that took hundreds of years to develop into where we are now an opportunity to reset themselves and to come to terms with the newfound independence that we have as a country before we just start doing wholesale reforms. and, you know, anything, frankly, coming out of the labour party or anything associated with the labour party , associated with the labour party, i hold with great distrust, you know, when they call it a reform to our system, it tends to, in my view, given tony blair's legacy, damage us. >> i don't think it's a reform . >> i don't think it's a reform. it's an add on, it's an adjunct. and i think, you know, citizens assemblies or citizen engagement is not a new idea. it has been used quite successfully. it was used quite successfully. it was used in ireland very successfully when before they had the referendum on abortion, and i have when i've worked with local authorities, have worked with citizens assemblies on very contentious planning issues and they're quite useful because it allows people to have conversations that they wouldn't have otherwise. it stops that

polarisation. so if you don't want that building development there, because you've always caught the bus from there for the last 300 years, i can say to you, yes, that's fine. but if we don't move that, then we can't have this green area. >> but we have systems for all of well, we do have systems, but i think, you know, the problem is that people are disillusioned for understandable reasons. >> and if you can bring back people's faith in the democratic process at local level, that's got to be healthy for democracy. i mean, the turnout was really low in this last general election. as you know , and if election. as you know, and if you can re—engage people instead of people getting so angry and so irate about stuff and not being willing to get involved and have a conversation, i think it would go somewhere. >> but, you know, the reason the turnout was low, it's a really important point. the reason the turnout was low is because we've had a series of elections where promises have been made both by the labour party and the conservative party and then they haven't fulfilled them. we have had a parliament at least since

2016, that has stood in contempt of the people, refusing to do what the people want. we had a plebiscite which voted to leave the eu and we had, we had. that's my point. we had to drag parliament kicking and screaming. >> you get people involved at local level they can hold, but they were they were given a voice and they were ignored. >> what do you make of it all? because that is indeed the situation. you can you can involve citizens all you like, but if you completely ignore their suggestions, it doesn't end well, does it, a couple of people are getting in touch on the website about these citizens assemblies. you mentioned them in ireland. there's a lot of, concern about how those people will be perhaps selected to be on those assemblies. how unbiased would they be? that's a question that many of you are asking, dave says that they wouldn't be able to handle a citizens meeting with all these politicians because they're too far out of touch with reality. they're worried only about their bank balances, he said. gb news. member on the website. phoebe thanks for that. phoebe. you've got in touch and you're saying, never mind blasting out, you

know, rules and regulations. why don't they blast out classical music on speakers that might resolve some of the problems? well, they don't. that's not a bad idea, actually, when also gb news member . bad idea, actually, when also gb news member. thanks. when you've got in touch and saying you like the idea of shaming people, you could have a large screen in the town centre and we could have continuous loops of people like a rogue gallery, basically. obviously he says, uploaded to social media sites to make sure that no one misses out on the opportunity to observe the anfics opportunity to observe the antics of the braindead, he says, but samantha, she's got in touch and said, michelle, you're talking about shaming people that essentially have no shame. oh, well, there you go. look, that's all i've got time for. thank you very much. thank you. i love the sounds of a gallery. i love the sounds of a gallery. i could do a spot, couldn't i? on dewbs& co. there's an idea. anyway. look, i've got to go for the evening. don't go anywhere, though, because martin daubney up next night. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on gb

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bursts, but also some decent bright sunny weather. first thing largely fine and sunny across northern ireland and many parts of northern england . parts of northern england. across scotland, a bit of a west east split around eastern areas. it's going to be a bit cloudier. a few outbreaks of rain here likely to be dry at, brighter across more central and western parts of scotland through the day. then we are going to see a scattering of showers here or there. many places will actually avoid the showers and stay largely dry, but a few showers are possible and they could be a little bit on the heavy side though i'm not expecting any thunder like we've seen through today. with a bit more sunshine around, temperatures are going to be a bit higher than they have been lately. temperatures reaching highs of around 2425 celsius, possibly even 26 celsius. any showers will die out as we go through tomorrow night into wednesday and wednesday. looks like it will start mostly dry. we can expect some showery rain pushing its way through across parts of scotland, and perhaps some showers kicking off over eastern parts of england. but elsewhere it's looking largely fine yet again before some very wet weather pushes in, particularly across southern parts. as we go

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