gb. news >> it's 9 pm. i'm patrick christys tonight. we want arbitration. >> when do we want it.7 now. it's about time we globalise the intifada. >> where is the labour front bench tonight .7 when are they bench tonight? when are they going to stand up with the rest of the labour movement? >> did labour lie to us all about tax rises? >> and you've been filmed going into the asylum seeker hotel. >> i'm little spanish, but you're from iraq, is that right? >> yeah . >> yeah. >> yeah. >> deport. deport. deport yvette cooper vows to get tough on illegal workers . illegal workers. >> plus, and she has just been sentenced today to four years in prison. this means she will not be present at her brother's wedding next summer. >> good. sorry. cressida's. mummy but your daughter's an eco criminal. also where? come here now . how. >> now. >> come here now. get that .

>> come here now. get that. >> come here now. get that. >> keep running round this tree . >> keep running round this tree. >> keep running round this tree. >> labour announced new plans that could cause chaos in the classroom . classroom. >> you think you just fell out of a coconut tree? >> does kamala harris make less sense than joe biden? on my panel tonight, it's express columnist carole malone, journalist benjamin butterworth, and ex—tory party chairman sir jake berry. oh yes. and i want you to tell me what happens next here. soledar get ready. britain, here we go . britain, here we go. is labour coming for your money? next . next. >> the top story from the gb newsroom tonight. the head of the us secret service has

admitted that the attempt to assassinate donald trump was the most significant operational us secret service failure for decades. kimberly cheatle has been testifying today before a congressional committee in an effort to explain herself following the attempt to kill donald trump last week. she was being questioned about the security lapses that allowed a lone gunman to successfully take aim at mr trump, saying she takes full responsibility. >> vaccination attempt of former president donald trump on july 13th is the most significant operational failure of the secret service in decades, and i am keeping him and his family in my thoughts. the secret service's solemn mission is to protect our nation's leaders. on july 13th, we failed . july 13th, we failed. >> meanwhile, financial donations to the us democratic party have surged after president biden's announcement he's stepping down from the us presidential race in an online

statement released yesterday, joe biden endorsed his vp kamala harris, as his favourite candidate for president. but the same endorsement was missing from the former president, barack obama. it comes after he faced increasing calls to step aside since his poor debate performance against donald trump last month. meanwhile, the former speaker of the house, nancy pelosi, one of the most influential democrats in washington, has now backed kamala harris's bid to become the party's nominee . she said the party's nominee. she said her enthusiastic support for kamala harris for president is now official personal and political. meanwhile, the us vice president harris, on a statement on x, said together we're going to win this. statement on x, said together we're going to win this . and we're going to win this. and here in the uk. the prime minister praised the work of joe biden, a man who, during five decades of service never lost touch with the concerns of working people and always put his country first. >> a true friend of the labour movement, his presidency will

leave a legacy that extends far beyond america to freedom and security. on this continent . security. on this continent. >> will. the prime minister has also today set out plans to cut reliance on foreign workers by improving skills training in england. skills england was a manifesto pledge from labour and is designed to fix the fragmented and broken training systems in place. in a speech today, sir keir starmer argued that a new approach is needed to reduce the need for immigration in key sectors. but the conservatives have warned the plans to redirect cash could in fact cut the number of apprenticeships on offer . now. apprenticeships on offer. now. also in the news today, an 11 year old girl has been left orphaned following a crash which killed four members of her family, as well as a motorcyclist and their pillion passenger. it all happened in west yorkshire. shane roller, his wife shannon morgan and their daughters lily and ruby died on the a 61 near wakefield

when their ford focus was in a collision with the motorbike. a fundraising page has been set up for ii fundraising page has been set up for 11 year old poppy, who's been left behind. she wasn't in the car when it crashed. that has now reached over £75,000. the scene of the crash itself remains closed. police investigations continue and superintendent alan travis, from west yorkshire police, said it's an absolutely tragic incident . an absolutely tragic incident. happier news now and the prince and princess of wales have shared a new photograph of prince george to mark his 11th birthday. the image was taken by his mum , princess catherine, and his mum, princess catherine, and posted on kensington palace's social media accounts. the black and white shot if you're watching on television, you can see it now shows the future king smiling , see it now shows the future king smiling, wearing a very smart white shirt and dark blazer. happy birthday george i those are happy birthday george! those are the latest gb news headlines. for now, i'm polly middlehurst. i'm back in an hour. see you then. >> for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign

up to news alerts by scanning the qr code or go to gbnews.com forward slash alerts . forward slash alerts. >> are you ready to pay more tax? there are now big questions over whether labour were honest with us about tax rises during the election campaign. we all remember sir keir starmer saying this we will not raise tax on working people. >> no tax rises for income tax, for national insurance, for vat. we will not raise income tax. we will not raise national insurance, we will not raise vat, >> it's the working people bit i think, isn't it. but rishi sunak was adamant that that wasn't true . true. >> it would put up everyone's taxes by £2,000, £2,000 in

higher taxes for every working family in our country. after all the hard work and sacrifice we've been through, that's not the right course of action. >> so last week, an independent pay >> so last week, an independent pay review body said wages for nhs workers and teachers should go nhs workers and teachers should 9° up nhs workers and teachers should 90 ”p by nhs workers and teachers should go up by 5.5. well, the institute for fiscal studies estimated that a 5.5% increase across all public sector professions would cost us about £10 billion. and chancellor rachel reeves is hinting that she will do this moment. >> we are looking at those pay review body recommendations, doing the analysis, and we will work with public sector workers on that . but we also know that on that. but we also know that there is a cost to not settling a cost of further industrial action, a cost in terms of the challenge that we face in recruiting and retaining doctors and nurses and teachers as well. >> but this idea that labour didn't know what financial position the country was in, or that the tories have left us in

the worst state since the war, are being rubbish now by ex chancellor jeremy are being rubbish now by ex chancellorjeremy hunt. chancellor jeremy hunt. >> but chancellorjeremy hunt. >> but what is absolute nonsense is this business of economic inheritance since the only need to look economic inheritance since the nearly half what it was we have then. we had markets collapsing. now we have the fastest growth in the g7. it's a very transformed picture. and i think the reason that she's doing this is that she wants to lay the ground for tax rises. >> people called this, didn't they? they thought, okay, maybe labour will get in. they'll say, oh, we've had a look at the books now. we've had a look at them. it's worse than we thought. and taxes will go up. so the questions are this, aren't they. did labour lie to us about tax hikes and do you want to pay more tax to give pubuc want to pay more tax to give public sector workers a pay rise? let's get the thoughts of my panel this evening. it's a good one. daily express columnist carole malone. we've got journalist and broadcaster benjamin butterworth and the former chairman of the conservative party, sir jake berry. carol, i'll start with you. do you think labour lied to

us about tax rises? >> i think absolutely, they lied and i was just listening to rachel reeves there. i don't believe a word this woman says. she just said there. there's a cost to not settling. so what does that mean? every time a union demands a settlement that we're going to have to pay because. because she's saying it's cheaper. cheaper to who? you've just read out the figure they have £10 billion. that's what it would cost if she gives all the public sector people the pay all the public sector people the pay rise that they actually want. and reeves will not say where she's going to get this money from. she, you know, starmer said before the election that that working people would not suffer any tax rises. but, i mean, we just know this is nonsense and i just want to comment. >> well, i work, i work, i hope that i won't get any i work too, and i just want to go on about what jeremy holmes said there. >> you know, when she is absurdly putting forward this, this idea that our economy is the worst it's been since world war two, he touched on there. he said, now we have the fastest growing economy in the g7. our national output is projected to grow, but it has grown by 0.7% this year, which is the highest

in the g7. and we have the lowest debt in the g7 . how are lowest debt in the g7. how are we financial economic basket case i just don't understand it's tosh. and he's right when he says she's done that because it's the pre—emptive thing before she puts taxes up. yeah. all right benjamin. >> so i mean people call this a mile off didn't they. and now it appears to be happening, which is oh, we'll have to review the books. i mean, the books were actually publicly available and it turns out shock horror, they're going to say, well, this is worse than we thought it was, and we're going to have to renege on some of those promises. oh, and this pay review body says that 5.5% for all public sector workers. all we've got to give them now, not because we're in the pockets of the unions or anything, we're just going to do it and we're all going to have to pay. so did they lie to us about the tax rises, do you think? >> no, i don't think they did. rachel reeves has said clearly that you cannot tax your way out of the situation we're in. we already have the highest taxes in 70 years from the tories and the truth is, the state of the uk economy isn't only poor since covid, it's been poor for about eight years. we've had anaemic

growth in this country that has put us way behind countries like the us. we're doing nothing like as well as they have in the last 3 to 4 years. and i think the truth is that, you know, private sector wage growth has been between 5 and 6% for about three years now. and so the idea that the public sector has had less than inflation constantly shows that they have had a. >> well, they do also get i think, i mean, first of all, the thing you say. keir starmer fought this election saying i am going to put politics back in the service of the british people. what is really done is putting the british people back in service of the trade unions, which is what the labour party always do. this is they at the same time, let me finish at the same time, let me finish at the same time, let me finish at the same time as in the king's speech, repealing every meaningful strike law. they have also made a statement saying, well, of course we're going to give you an above inflation pay rise because there's a cost to a strike. well, guess what? the unions will have heard that and 90, unions will have heard that and go, right, you can't stop us striking now because you've rolled back nearly two decades of anti—strike law. whatever we ask for, you're going to give it to us. and in the public sector, the reason that they've had inflationary pay rises, they get a gold plated pension. they

basically cannot be sacked no matter how bad they are at their job. and you know, the deal always was. you get paid slightly less, you get much better terms and conditions. the deal apparently now is we want to be paid more than everyone and have the best terms and conditions as well. >> because sunak resisted the strikes by the doctors and the rail unions. that's why the cost of living crisis has abated and inflation plunge. correct if he'd given them at the time, they would have carried on rocketing. and that's what this lot are going to do. and while at the same time punishing the wealthy and entrepreneurs, the reason we had inflation incredibly high was not because of people's wages. >> right . and the arrogant >> right. and the arrogant lecturing from a westminster insider like mr berry, who has left public service employees in food banks because of how dire . food banks because of how dire. oh, i know that they have had. just sit here and lecture working people who can barely afford to put food on the table. >> so are you so headteachers most head teachers in this country earn over £100,000. now, if your head teachers in this country own over in secondary schools earn over 100,000. i'm

not saying they should or they shouldn't, but if you earn 30 grand working in a factory in lancashire, why should your tax be put up so you can pay a head teacher of a secondary school 106,000. you may never earn that in your whole life. >> i want to get working people fighting like rats in a sack. i want higher wages. across the board. >> we invoke the food bank argument every single time you talk about anyone in the public sector as livingston, it's just tosh. you know, we heard it last year about nurses using food banks. i don't buy that either, because what you don't hear when you hear about nurses and doctors, they get incredible pensions that are that are higher than anybody else. we pay about 20% for every pound. they earn something like £0.20 for every pound they earn. >> it's outrageous what about the what about the what about the what about the what about the moral argument, jake, that we all who can afford it maybe should be paying more money in tax to help people who are the arteries of this country are pubuc arteries of this country are public sector workers. >> well, i mean, what i think is a real disgrace is a senior nurse will now because taxes are

at record high. you say about america's growth rate by the way, they've got much lower taxes in the uk. i think how high taxes were under the conservative party was absolutely appalling. but what i find very distressing now is senior nurses are having to pay what for most of my lifetime has been the top rate of tax. they are paying 40% of tax. that now kicks in at 50,000. we are paying kicks in at 50,000. we are paying far too much tax already in this country and you cannot have growth as your main aim as a labour government and tax people. and then the final question i ask, which i think is really important, if public sector wages go up almost three times faster than inflation, how fast should private sector wages go fast should private sector wages 9° up fast should private sector wages go up because you don't get your gold plated pension. this will lead to out of control inflation, which is the real tax that everyone with a mortgage in this country. >> i'll ask you this. what i wonder whether or not labour have really factored in here is you look at people like daniel kabadi, who is the head of the national education union. okay. now this is a chap who is massively to the left of where the labour party at the moment is attended. you know, the trade union kind of marxist conference etc. as is of course, his right to do that. but my point is

this, which is that 5.5% is not going to appease this guy. no. right. so you're going to start with 5.5% and then the strikes start again. and you have to get them all is this just where we're going to end up with a cycle of pay rise strike bigger pay cycle of pay rise strike bigger pay rises. is this is this setting this in motion? >> well, what's so condescending is to try and say that paying people properly, who've worked incredibly hard, who've had some of the toughest jobs in the last couple of years, teaching and health has been, you know, a complete mess for some time, that paying them properly somehow puts the government in the pocket of the unions. let's look at the facts. you know, the amount of labour donations that they got from the unions has never been lower. the head of unite the union, the biggest union in this country , aren't union in this country, aren't they? she is not a labour supporter, which is unprecedented in modern times. they are not in the pockets of the unions. what they're doing is trying to be in the service of working people. >> no. let's look at these facts. you've had a labour government for three weeks. they've done an inflation busting pay rise. it is putting the taxpayer in the service of the taxpayer in the service of the unions. it is completely wrong . and it's the opposite of wrong. and it's the opposite of what they said in the election. >> every single union now is

going to go on strike because they know that if they do, they're going to get they're going to get the money. and that's not going to happen. >> that's not the right wingers want you to be poorer, okay. >> just very finally, very finally i think this is a crucial point and be please be quick with this check. it. did labour know the state of the finances before they came into power? >> yeah, of course they did. the office of budget responsibility, which we brought in in 2010. it publishes every year. it's just a con so. a c011 50. >> a con so. >> okay. all right. thank you very much. a lively start right okay. still to come leading tories have turned on suella braverman as the shadow chancellor. jeremy hunt makes his feelings very clear. >> well, in a two party system in the uk, as we have, elections are always run from the centre ground. >> okay, but suella braverman has branded people like him centrist cranks. i'm going to ask her colleague, tory mp george freeman, when he joins me live in the studio, what he makes of the tory leadership fight. but up next, labour's vat tax rate on private schools could now start as soon as january. and britain's strictest headteacher, katharine birbalsingh , says the government

birbalsingh, says the government is about to eradicate progress on behaviour in schools. apparently they want to strip back things like expulsions and exclusions. so are they about to create a classroom spiralling out of control ? is this what out of control? is this what we're going to get under labour chaos in the classrooms, head teacher christine cunniffe goes head to head with fellow educator bobby seagull patrick christys tonight. more on

gb news. welcome back to patrick christys. tonight. coming up is jeremy hunt right? christys. tonight. coming up is jeremy hunt right ? that the jeremy hunt right? that the party needs to return to the centre ground? or is he a centrist? crank? as suella braverman would say, we get the thoughts of former tory minister george freeman mp. but first, will british classrooms spiral out of control under labour? it's time for tonight's head to head. right then. so labour's planned tax raid on private schools now looks set to be rolled out from january , nine rolled out from january, nine months earlier than expected, leaving private schools and the families that use them in the lurch . meanwhile, headteachers lurch. meanwhile, headteachers are warning labour against going soft on disruptive school kids, soft on disruptive school kids, so senior party sources now say that the government may consider scaling back expulsions and suspensions after they reached a record high. well katharine birbalsingh, who's known as britain's strictest headteacher, fears that tampering with the existing stricter policies put

in place by the previous tory government could result in quotes more chaotic schools, tweeting i was never a conservative, but i knew that what the conservative party was doing for kids was right. we are all about to find out what labour policies are going to do. instead. if labour do what they say they will do to schools, disadvantaged kids will pay the price ? politicians will feel price? politicians will feel good about themselves and all the gains that have been helped. poorer kids over the last decade will be eradicated . so tonight will be eradicated. so tonight i am asking when you merge those two things together, will the classroom spiral out of control under labour? i want to know your thoughts. gbnews.com forward slash your say @gbnews on twitter. while you're there, go and vote in our poll. but first going head to head on this. our headteacher at lvs ascot is christine cunniffe and maths teacher bobby seagull christine. i will start with you.so christine. i will start with you. so we've got two things going on at once here, potentially more people, children being moved out of the private sector into state schools . so bigger classroom schools. so bigger classroom sizes and then less discipline in those classrooms. are we

going to see a classroom of chaos under labour? >> i think we will do because although the they're basing their numbers on the ifs, even if 5% of the children came out of the independent sector , of the independent sector, you're talking about 30 or 40,000 children. and i think it would be much more than that. i think we're going to see about 20% be displaced. and therefore, where are the places for these children? and the only thing that can happen are larger class sizes. and we all know i've been a teacher for 30 years. larger classes are much more. they're harder to manage generally, especially when you've got a lot of young people to look after. >> yeah. okay, bobby, i'll bring you in. now, look, i just really don't see how they can make this work, right? larger class sizes, which emily thornberry admitted to. and i think anyone with a brain can see is going to happen with less deterrent for bad behaviour. i mean, make that make sense, bobby. >> yes, i'll address both parts. i've been a school teacher for a decade now, so i would say in terms of the numbers in the

state sector, we're actually going to see demographically there's going to be a 700,000 drop by 2030. so actually there are going to be spaces in state schools because demographically we're not producing enough children. so that's that's a separate point. but in terms of like the suspensions and expulsions. and again, obviously we need classrooms to be controlled environments. but what we've seen is while education attainment for the middling people, middle classes have probably gone up in the last ten years, the reality is there's a bigger disadvantage between those at the top and the bottom. so i teach in a in a city state school, and we see that the poorest inner city states have actually gone further behind. and these are the students with the worst behaviour with suspensions , with behaviour with suspensions, with expulsions. and actually, for them, education is not working for them. so i would rather try something a bit different. again, the really tough, hard approach on them for whatever reason is not working. so i'm welcome as a teacher. let's try something else. let's see if we can actually get them to actually get qualifications, rather than just suspending them and expelling them on a sort of vicious cycle. but ultimately, these young people then no qualifications, no employment, possibly into crime. so we need

to try something else that makes them stay in the education system. >> christine, just on that then. so if labour decides to go soft on expulsions and exclusions, which apparently are at a record high, do you think that would have a better or worse impact? >> i think you'd have a worse impact. i think what the tory government have done over the last ten years to toughen up has been the right thing to do, and i think we've seen a decline in behaviour since covid as well. and it really is something that we need to persist with now. okay. children should be in the classroom. they should not be expelled. but it doesn't mean that there are there are different learning environments for children. and i think we haven't got that right. and also talking about the number of places and the falling population that may be in some areas of the country, but in the high intensity population areas, that won't be the case. and there will be long waiting lists for state places. yeah bobby, i just wonder, why do we always have to level down? >> right. so why is it always about, you know, oh, we need to do more to look after the kids who basically should have an asbo or what about the children whose parents can no longer afford to send them to what was

probably, you know, quite a middling private school anyway, where maybe they were spending every spare penny that they had in order to send them there. they then get lumped into, you know, scumbag comprehensive. they've got disruption going on all around them, and there's less discipline in the classroom. and those kids go unden classroom. and those kids go under. why does nobody think of those kids? bobby >> so what i would say is, again, my own experience, i grew up in a council in east london, went to a good comprehensive to 16, in east london. i actually got a scholarship for my a levels to eton. so i've seen both sides of the spectrum. what i would say is like 93, maybe 94% of this country are educated in the state sector, and it's about trying to take small steps in a long journey towards having a more meritocratic system. and of course, i understand there will be parents out there who are middle class, who are scrimping and saving that this impact, the vat measure may impact, the vat measure may impact them. but let's look at the big picture in terms of economics. so actually in the uk, the average household income is 32,000. that's the average total household income . and in total household income. and in fact my students are probably lower than that. and the average private school fee is 15,000. so

of course i'm sure parents are doing everything they can to get those fees. but 15,000 is something that the majority of state school parents could never even dream of, because they then pay even dream of, because they then pay for their children to be taken out of the state school system and put into the private school system. >> but they're still paying their tax, so they're still paying their tax, so they're still paying for other people's kids to go to school if they then can't pay that excessive. arguably fee for private schools now, and they just lob the kids into the state school system, then what's the benefit of that economically? >> yeah. so there's two parts to that. again, we all pay the taxes. you know there'll be billionaires, millionaires. they don't need public transport. they don't need health care. but we pay because we think it's better to have a good society. but i'd say on the on the wider point again, they will be in the short term. some parents who are middle class, who are now not able to afford private school fees and send their children to state school. so i think actually, patrick, they'll have actually, patrick, they'll have a good impact on our society because now we're going to get really engaged , really involved really engaged, really involved middle class parents, actually, contributing to the local community rather than being in secluded private schools .

secluded private schools. they're going to be in state schools in inner city areas. so actually, i think short term they'll be paying, but middle to long term, i think this could be beneficial to our country. >> i mean, i do wonder if there's quite a lot of quotes and quotes middle class parents now who find that quite offensive because i think they do already engage with the local community. there's plenty of them will be local councillors, there's plenty of them will be on the board of local schools. there's plenty of them who might actually even teach, dare i say, in local schools. but christine, can i ask you this impact of the actual fees going up and this vat rate, as it's being called, coming in, in january, which is what the noises are now, what impact is that going to have? >> do you think it's going to have significant impact? and i just want to go back to what bobby said there, bobby. i've also been raised in working class background. i came up in a comprehensive, comprehensive school. i didn't get a scholarship. i luck was on my side for a lot of my life, and a lot of my parents are like that as well. and they are scrimping and saving . these people do not and saving. these people do not have the money for this price hike. we're not talking about eton and harrow and winchester here. we're talking about people

who have two jobs, grandparents paying who have two jobs, grandparents paying as well, remortgaging houses, really trying to do the for best their children, especially for those with sent. now it was bad enough if we were going to have to look at this for september 2025, but to bring it in in january 2025, i think is so misguided because it's causing anxiety for a lot of people, including children, they're going to be children going into years 11 and 13 now, with their parents not knowing if they can continue for that year as well. >> because this is a really good point. sorry to interrupt, but it's quite a good point there because because what rachel reeves will say, or bridget phillipson will say is actually you've had you've had you've had quite a while to get ready for this. there may be made their made their intentions quite clear a while ago and people should have got ready for it. is that not true in your view? >> no, it's not true because i'll tell you why. because what she said is schools knew this was coming in 2021. this isn't about schools. this is not a tax on schools. this is a tax on people. parents who have already paid for schooling through their tax system. they are the ones being taxed, not the schools.

and how many people would even look at or whether it's misguided from my point of view, would actually look at the manifesto three years before a general election , when a lot of general election, when a lot of things are promised in manifestos. and as we know, they never actually come through. this is a very serious situation, and it's something that has not been thought through. there's been no engagement with independent schools. there's been like with other sectors that are going to have tax hikes and vat. there's been nothing. independent schools are not being listened to. >> all right. look both of you, thank you very, very much. that is a head teacher at ascot there, christine cunniffe, a math teacher at bobby seagull. who do you agree with on this? all right. will british classrooms now spiral out of control under labour? down on x as it's too late. they're already out of control. and, dan, i think you're probably right. if we're expelling or excluding or suspending record numbers of pupils. i mean, teachers aren't doing that for the fun of it, are they? it implies something, doesn't it? so, you know, by rowing back on that and keeping them in the classroom, then what deterrent is there to behave that way? scrappy ironically on x says schools need more teachers like katharine birbalsingh maggie on

yours says teachers will be leaving in their droves. there's already massive disruption in schools because of the lack of discipline at home. well, yeah. be interesting to see whether or not a 5.5% pay rise for teachers actually encourages more of them to stay. your verdict is now in. 91% of you think that classrooms will spiral out of control under laboun will spiral out of control under labour, 9% of you say they won't. coming up, could kamala harris return an even worse result than joe biden ? for the result than joe biden? for the democrats, i am kamala harris. >> my pronouns are she and her. i am a woman sitting at the table wearing a blue suit . table wearing a blue suit. >> good. very soon, i'll also speak to kelvin mackenzie about the riots that we saw in leeds and why on earth that kind of stuff is happening in britain. but next, shadow chancellor jeremy hunt wants the conservatives to return to the centre ground. suella braverman has branded people like him centrist cranks. who should the party listen to? i'll get the view of tory mp and former transport minister george freeman. oh yes, our news just in. i'll reveal the date that the next

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break. welcome back to patrick christys tonight. now kelvin mackenzie is waiting in the wings. and there's quite a lot to get stuck into there. including what on earth is going on in leeds? and why do we have to put up with that kind of stuff? but first, i'm joined by tory mp and former transport minister george freeman. and at the weekend, suella braverman and jeremy hunt

went toe to toe over the future of the conservative party. so first the former home secretary said that they risked becoming, quote, centrist cranks following calls for her to exit the leadership race. but the former chancellor, jeremy hunt, disagrees . disagrees. >> well, in a two party system in the uk, as we have, elections are always run from the centre ground. but i think the really interesting question is what is the centre ground in british politics? and i think ordinary, decent british families want controls on migration. they want the government to show restraint on spending and keep taxes down. >> so i welcome george freeman . >> so i welcome george freeman. now, george, thank you very much. joining us should suella braverman quit the leadership race, as i think reading between the lines there, jeremy hunt would quite like , well, the joy would quite like, well, the joy of a leadership race is that everyone can put their hat in the ring and all views can be tested. i don't happen to agree with her language either. i don't think calling jeremy hunt a centrist crank is helpful, and i think jeremy hunt is right

that in a two party system you have to win if you want to govern, you've got to win a broad majority. >> and we need to rediscover the art of walking and chewing gum. and it's very clear to me that the centre of gravity of politics has moved to the right . politics has moved to the right. and in my constituency there are three really big things that came up on the doorstep over and over again one, immigration, it's the first duty of a government to keep a country secure. and people are really rightly , understandably, worried rightly, understandably, worried that we have, as a country, lost control of our borders. secondly, nhs people are fed up with us pouring more and more money in, in london and seeing less and less on the ground. now that will require bold centrist reforms, but it's going to require big reform. >> and thirdly, also with respect, and i think you're about to mention planning. yeah, i mean, with respect to all of that. could be arguably sorted if we had not let immigration get out of control. right. you know, i mean, why do we need to keep pouring money into the nhs to accommodate more people? why do we need planning reform to build a load more houses?

because we've got more people. and i just wonder if the conservatives realise that they, you know, they lost a huge amount of votes to reform. right. so moving to the centre is possibly not a good way of bringing those voters back. is it? >> no. so i'm not saying move to the centre. what i'm trying to argue is that unless we deal with the issues of the british pubuc with the issues of the british public as they are and understand why we lost so many people to reform, we haven't got a prayer of rebuilding the conservative party as the party of the centre right. but i agree with jeremy hunt that if we want to govern , we've got to be more to govern, we've got to be more than just a party of the centre right talking to itself. we have to speak to the legitimate aspirations of all sorts of people and ask ourselves, we're going to get into the leadership. now. i want to us be asking ourselves in the next few months, why are so few young people voting for us? why are so few small businesses voting for us? why are so few people who work in the public services? you know, why are these people not voting for us? not why does suella braverman think they're not? why do they tell us they're not? why do they tell us they're not and really understand properly how and why we've lost touch with, key voter groups and then reconstruct out of that

honesty. >> okay. good stuff. well, look , >> okay. good stuff. well, look, it's just been confirmed that your next leader will be elected on the 2nd of november. so that's the news coming out the 2nd of november. we will know who the next conservative leader and the leader of the opposition is. is it wise to wait until after the party conference? do you think in october? >> yes, and i've been i'm delighted that we're going longer. i've been making the case. we could even get through to christmas. the truth is, what the public want to see us do in the public want to see us do in the next few months is signal that we've got it. labour didn't just win this. we catastrophically lost this election. we were slung out unceremoniously. the first thing we need to do is signal that we get it. we get y. and having rushing to a quick summer leadership contest is not the right way to do that. >> i get that, but to just cut across you there, because i've got in front of me here that apparently your party risks being bankrupted by a long leadership race. supposedly, new donors are unlikely to come forward until the new leader is selected. any any thoughts on that? >> well, bluntly, i think if the conservative party was a

business today, it's already pretty bust. i mean, the voters have left us the fund, the funders have left us. we've got to go through a process of reform, rehabilitation and renewal, and there's no shortcuts. and if you shortcut it and pick a shiny leader next week, without properly going through what's gone wrong, you'll just repeat the cycle. so i've been making the case to go long. i'm pleased we are. i personally think we're going to have to properly reform the conservative party have a clause for moment. look at our constitution . it's not fit for constitution. it's not fit for the 21st century. we treat members very badly. i think we take their money. we spam them with emails. we don't really give them enough of a say, not just over the leadership, where actually, i'd let them boil all applicants down to three and the mps choose the winner. i'd reverse it . but i mps choose the winner. i'd reverse it. but i think we mps choose the winner. i'd reverse it . but i think we need reverse it. but i think we need to be a values based organisation, and if we believe in opportunity, enterprise and responsibility, then why don't we build that into our constitution, become an organisation that looks, feels and breathes like that, we feel, i think, rather bureaucratic and

top down at the moment. so no shortcuts. i believe that we're going long. >> yeah. look, i think i think i was really interesting, especially the way that you would maybe flip the, the, the, the succession process, as it were, but just, just on that then. so former work and pensions secretary mel stride, who we did see rather a lot of didn't we on the morning rounds dunng didn't we on the morning rounds during that election campaign, says that he is considering a leadership bid . do you think leadership bid. do you think he'd be a good choice? >> yeah . i'm delighted he's put >> yeah. i'm delighted he's put his name or he's considering putting his name in the ring, what i feared most was a knee jerk leadership election where sort of somebody from the quote unquote, right. and somebody from the quote unquote left, stands and we go through the same old process and the mps pick two and the and the membership pick one. and the mps think they've got the wrong one. so i'm really pleased, and i hope we can go through a proper process with lots of applicants and at conference, i think give the party membership a chance to hear all of us, to hear from all of them. and i would urge mel stride , if he's considering it,

stride, if he's considering it, to put his hat in the ring. i think he's a serious senior. >> so you you're backing, you're backing mel stride, aren't you? >> no i'm not. i want to hear. i want him to put his hat in the ring because i think he's a really classy candidate. and i do think that we're going to need to be, very competent on economics very quickly. and we rebuild out of having a compelling economic narrative and vision. and i happen to think this government, for all the good tone of their new arrival, i'm not sure that they've got a really big idea for driving the economic growth . for driving the economic growth. >> we desperately. you think he might be better than, say, priti patel, who is also putting her hat into the ring ? hat into the ring? >> well, it's too early to say whether he's better, but i think he should definitely put his hat in the ring. and i do think his economic gravitas is very valuable. he was a very distinguished, chair of the treasury select committee during the pandemic. he's been an excellent secretary of state in one of the areas that we've delivered big successes. so i really hope he does put his hat in the ring. yeah, just lastly with you, this is just coming

through on social media now, actually, which is, look, nigel farage has said that he expects several conservative mps to defect to reform in the coming months. >> are you sensing that? would you have a message for nigel at all? >> oh, nigel farage is an absolute genius at playing the insurgent. he's always got the ready criticism of others. he's never actually solved any of these problems. he's never been elected, so welcome to the house of commons, nigel. and i hope that he will, get involved in helping us shape a centre right coalition that can take on laboun coalition that can take on labour. but i, i fear that he has a very different game, which is to become a celebrity critic and get a fast ticket to the white house. and i hope that my colleagues who are serious about building a serious conservative party, an effective opposition and a government in waiting, aren't tempted by the siren voices. we need to understand why so many of our voters voted reform in a very significant protest. but i don't think the answer is to lurch to follow them, because we'll follow them over the cliff . they're not a

over the cliff. they're not a serious party of government. >> all right. okay well, your view is that george. thank you very, very much. great to have you on the show . i hope to talk you on the show. i hope to talk to you again very, very soon. as george freeman mp, there. right. so coming up at labour are seeking to deport illegal migrant workers in car washes. and the beauty sector does this sound like a familiar policy ? sound like a familiar policy? >> notice the mushroom in barber shops opening up everywhere. this illegality is all over the country. >> but are these really the types of people that we should be going after? i'll pose that to my panel before that though. kelvin mackenzie, he gives his views on that matter , and we views on that matter, and we look at the fallout from the shocking riots in leeds just a few weeks ago. frankly, why do we have to put up

welcome back to patrick christys. tonight now, there's been a continuing rise in community tensions in leeds over the weekend after riots spread

on thursday night. the disorder started in harehills after social workers were met with hostility by the roma community while dealing with a child protection matter. police were then called and one of their vehicles was overturned following . well, massive, following. well, massive, massive rise in this. and what set fire to a double decker bus all of that stuff. a man has now been charged with arson and violent disorder, while five others were arrested on suspicion of just violent disorder. well, since those shocking events, police have been patrolling in the area on horseback to ensure there is no more civil unrest. but there has been a bit of it. i'm joined now by the former editor of the sun, kelvin mackenzie. kelvin. why do we have to put up with this stuff in britain doing it? >> well, i'm not normally critical of the police, but i find it astonishing that this kind of rioting can take place in a in a or right, a poor poor area of leeds. >> but leeds, a major metropolitan area. we should be worried about this . why why worried about this. why why didn't the police pile in? why didn't the police pile in? why

did the police not pile in? if this had been the united states and this kind of rioting was going on, you'd have the national guard, you'd have the cops, you'd have the local cops, you'd have everybody and their wife there. where were the police? >> i just wonder it begs. it begs the question, doesn't it? which is that from what we can glean from, you know, some of the people involved and the area, i don't mean any disrespect to the area. when i say this, but, you know, towards maybe the lower economic spectrum. yeah. dare i say it as well, you know, potentially quite a few people, i imagine, who are on things like social welfare etc, who might have come to this country and have been given things like a house in a place to live. and you just wonder, well, you know, if they're going to really kick right off. it does make you wonder whether or not whether there's a lack of gratitude or is that unfair? >> no, there should be. there should be gratitude. after all, the roma community, we have the biggest roma community in europe, okay? they they come here, right? whether it's mainly london, london and might explain why there are tents in the middle of park lane, for instance. and also but also in

leeds, it's the dominant providers of, of people in that particular area . and, you would particular area. and, you would have thought you would have thought that if the social services have come around, i don't know where the social services have been around your house. they haven't been around mine. right. oh, that's a pretty rare thing to happen. okay. and on that basis on that basis, why didn't they just do what normal people would do and say, what is the issue? oh we have got a problem over an explanation , problem over an explanation, over a passport. yes. we'll deal with that instead of that, the community, the community then turns to violence. and honestly, it's disgraceful. but why have only five been arrested after all? after the social media in the world, everybody gets their phones out. now. nobody says , phones out. now. nobody says, how can i stop this? they say, here's the phone. and then suddenly social media alive with all this causing tremendous political uproar, i just wonder if it's easier to just. >> well, it is obviously for the police now. i think they view it

as being it's easier to nick people after the event. well, no, but but but from, from certain groups of people who they think won't kick off. and again, it begs the question, well, you know, if you do kick right off, then does that make you less likely to get arrested? is that where we are? but there's a couple of other stories i want to get your views on, well, labour are apparently are talking about restricting, mps holding second jobs. so lucy powell, the leader of the commons, is due to announce reforms this week that include an immediate ban on consultancy roles and fines for ex—ministers who breach lobbying rules. but fundamentally, kelvin, should our politicians be allowed to have second jobs? could be bad news for nigel farage, couldn't it, >> yes. it's it,— >> yes. it's a it, >> yes. it's a shocking news for his bank manager, and also for whether he's got any money behind the bar somewhere. but, the truth about the matter is, i'm not entirely in agreement with this, to be honest. and they've already said that the nigel farage of this world are going to be allowed , allowed to going to be allowed, allowed to continue broadcasting and write speeches and stuff like that . of speeches and stuff like that. of course, the thing about thing

about starmer, of course, being starmer, the hypocrite. hello. good evening and welcome. he of course did work, as a lawyer when he was an mp. so that's that out of the question now on the lobbying side, i kind of i kind of get that i kind of get that. but what about this then? this isn't going to apply. not going to apply to any labour mps. nobody in their right mind would hire a labour mp. you're running a commercial company and the guy is an anti—capitalist. he's probably some rather dim person. and also thirdly, and more, more importantly, is probably an ex trade union official , exactly the kind of official, exactly the kind of person you don't want to be lobbying for. you don't want on the board, you don't want to employ them. so they know that this this rule will not apply to one single labour mp, but it will probably affect some tories, i suppose. >> okay. i mean, i imagine that labour mps will deny the fact that they're all dim, which is, i think what you're alluded to. but, this, this would actually have quite serious consequences as well about the kind of person that might be attracted to it. it raises the question, doesn't it, about do you not want to try

to attract the kind of person into parliament who might be able to? and that's one of the laughable things i thought when they were chasing nigel farage around america, going, why are you here? when he was there on, you here? when he was there on, you know, a couple of days a week, anyone who really knows the way mps operate is that they do basically nothing in westminster. four days a week, they're in the red lion pub by 5 pm. most days. anyway, they are p.m. most days. anyway, they are not working for their constituencies the whole time, but quickly, on this, labour are redeploying 1000 members of the home office, apparently to target nail bars and car washes employing illegal migrants. and we are going to be touching on this in the next hour. but what do you make of this ? do you do you make of this? do you think they're going after the right kind of illegal migrant here? >> well, as somebody who uses a nail bar now, i know , i know nail bar now, i know, i know which end of your body is it? >> is it the hands or the feet? no. >> the hands? yes. the hands and the feet. actually, i'm so bone idle, i can't even be bothered to cut my own nails. how bad is that? okay, so the other aspects of it , of course, i go to

of it, of course, i go to another area they're going to be looking at, which is going to barbers. okay. and that's thought to be a lot of illegals in there. now going in there. this is basically it's £22 to have my haircut, which is £4 a hair, you know, there's not much there's not much going on there. but, and the third point is the car wash. so i use all three of those and i, i guarantee all your viewers will use all thereabouts to deport all the people that we use. yes. and, but the people who are coming in, they say who we don't use, they say , jolly good, go and go they say, jolly good, go and go and live in that hotel, or go and live in that hotel, or go and live in that hotel, or go and live in that free rented, home over there. so i look in france, by the way, which is incredible. they actually shut they don't allow car washes, right. because they there were too many illegals taking part in that. and that's probably what's going to happen over here. you're going to have to wash your own car. how bad is that washing your own car? very 70s. >> you're gonna have to cut your

own nails as well. yeah. nightmare. and trim your own hair. but there we are. all right, kevin, thank you very, very much. that is the wonderful kelvin mackenzie, former editor of the sun. right okay. well, i have got a lot coming your way in the next hour. can keir starmer face down a rebellion over this two child benefit cap? i've got two labour supporters. basically, i'm asking the question , should you be paying question, should you be paying loads in benefits so that people can have loads of kids they can't afford? but next, yvette cooper has vowed to swiftly deport illegal migrants by raiding car washes and nail bars. it's the home secretary right to target those people. or actually, is that a terrible idea? stay tuned. >> for that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers sponsors of weather on gb news >> good evening. here's your latest gb news, weather forecast coming to you from the met office. for many , tomorrow looks office. for many, tomorrow looks like it's going to be a bit dner like it's going to be a bit drier and a bit sunnier with that two. that being said, there will be some showery rain around. most of today's showers

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>> at 10 pm, i'm patrick christys tonight . christys tonight. >> you've been filmed going into the asylum seeker hotel . the asylum seeker hotel. >> i'm little squeamish, but you're from iraq. is that right? yeah. >> labour's new policy to deport nail bar and car wash workers sounds a little bit like this. >> notice the mushroom in barbershops opening up everywhere. this illegality is all over the country . all over the country. >> but do you care more about migrant hotels? >> and i think it's fair that you're in this situation now. considering a 13th child. i don't make up the rules at the end of the day, and i'm not the government. if the government's going to give me those extra benefits and i'm going to take them, should you pay benefits for people who want to have loads of children? >> and she has just been sentenced today to four years in prison. >> this means she will not be present at her brother's wedding next summer. >> sorry. cressida's mummy, your

daughter is a criminal eco fanatic . lock her up. fanatic. lock her up. >> also, you think you just fell out of a coconut tree ? out of a coconut tree? >> possibly. is kamala harris less sane than joe biden? i've got tomorrow's front pages with express columnist carole malone. journalist benjamin butterworth and ex tory party chairman sir jake berry. oh, yes. and what happens next here? tam fry soledar . get happens next here? tam fry soledar. get ready britain. here we go . we go. laboun we go. labour. say, do your own nails and wash your own car. next . and wash your own car. next. >> at just after 10:00. the latest gb news is that it's understood that rishi sunak's replacement as conservative

party leader will be announced on november the second. we've just learned that in the last hour or so, the party saying tonight the former prime minister will remain in post until that date . nominations to until that date. nominations to succeed rishi sunak will open on wednesday, the day after tomorrow at 7 pm, and then they'll close next monday at 230. tory mps will then narrow it down to four candidates. they'll each make their case to party members at the conservative party conference this autumn. well, in news across the pond, the head of the us secret service admitted today that the attempt to assassinate donald trump was the most significant operational us secret service failure. for decades, kimberly cheadle has been testifying before a congressional committee in an effort to explain herself following the attempt on donald trump's life. she was being questioned about the security lapses that allowed a lone rifleman to successfully take aim. mr trump saying she took full responsibility for what went wrong . went wrong. >> assassination attempt of

former president donald trump. on july 13th is the most significant operational failure of the secret service in decades, and i am keeping him and his family in my thoughts. the secret service's solemn mission is to protect our nation's leaders. on july 13th, we failed . we failed. >> meanwhile, financial donations to the us democratic party have surged afterjoe party have surged after joe biden's announcement that he's stepping down from the us presidential race. he issued it in an online statement yesterday and at the same time endorsed his vice president, kamala harris, as his favourite candidate for president. clinton's have also backed up that decision, although the same endorsement was missing from former president barack obama. it comes after he faced increasing calls to step aside after his poor tv debate with donald trump last month. meanwhile, former speaker of the house nancy pelosi, as well as the clintons have backed kamala harris's bid to become the party's nominee. she said her

enthusiastic support for kamala harris now, as president is official personal and political. meanwhile, kamala harris was herself has said in a statement on x together we're going to win this. and here in the uk, the prime minister, sir keir starmer, praised the work of joe biden, a man who, during five decades of service never lost touch with the concerns of working people and always put his country first. >> a true friend of the labour movement, his presidency will leave a legacy that extends far beyond america to freedom and security. on this continent. >> prime minister well, the home secretary told the house of commons earlier that the rwanda scheme has cost the british taxpayer over £700 million. yvette cooper described the migrant deterrence scheme as the most shocking waste of taxpayer money she'd ever seen. she said she would take urgent action to

start clearing the asylum backlog in one simple change that she said would save the taxpayer an estimated £7 billion over the next decade, and that after nearly 1500 migrants arrived in the uk over the last week, crossing the english channel. just one last story for you. ex—footballer joey barton is to appear in court over controversial tweets directed at female football pundit. any aluko. it follows an investigation by cheshire police , investigation by cheshire police, who said that the charges related to messages the former footballer sent between the first and 18th of january. if he's convicted, he could face up to two years imprisonment or face an unlimited fine. those are the latest news headlines from the gb newsroom. i'm back in an hour. see you then for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code, or go to gbnews.com forward slash alerts .

slash alerts. >> labour's yvette cooper vowed to round up and deport illegal migrant workers in car washes and the beauty sector. she said we have directed immigration enforcement to intensify their operations over the summer with a focus on employers who are fuelling the trade of criminal gangs by exploiting and facilitating illegal working here in the uk, including in car washes and in the beauty sector. and we are drawing up new plans for fast track decisions and returns for safe countries. well, coming after the nail bars and car washes, forgive me, but doesn't that sound a little bit like a reform party policy? >> notice the mushroom in barber shops opening up everywhere, or the candy shops or the car washes? this is all illegal money laundering of money from drug dealing and from other heinous crimes and activities.

this illegality is all over the country. >> we know that places like cash in hand, car washes are hotbeds of illegal immigration, don't we? as our home and security editor mark white, uncovered . editor mark white, uncovered. >> excuse me sir, can you speak to us? are you an asylum seeker? >> yes, boss. »- >> yes, boss. >> sorry. you've been filmed going into. you've been filmed going into. you've been filmed going into. you've been filmed going into the asylum seeker hotel. i'm little spanish, but you're from iraq. is that right? yeah. >> by doing lightning immigration raids on car washes and nail bars , yvette cooper is and nail bars, yvette cooper is hoping to avoid scenes like this outside a migrant hotel in london. as an individual, being carried into a police van here, shouts of shame on you ! and shouts of shame on you! and she's banking on the fact that many of these people may come from countries like vietnam and eastern europe, where we could conceivably send them back relatively easily. now it's all well and good going after dodgy nail bars, car washes and barber shops, but with more than 1500

people crossing the channel since labour came to power and labour offering them all the chance to claim asylum here, is it actually going to make a blind bit of difference? i can't help but wonder if it's a way for yvette cooper to say she cares about stopping illegal immigration without actually doing anything to stop illegal immigration. let's get the thoughts of my panel. this evening is daily express columnist carole malone, journalist and broadcaster benjamin butterworth. and i'm also joined by the former chairman of the conservative party. it's sirjake berry. carol, i'll start with you. do you think this is going to make a blind bit of difference when it comes to stopping illegal immigration? is it a bit of window dressing from yvette cooper? >> and the thing is, how is it? what are the optics of this going to look like? are they going to look like? are they going to look like? are they going to go charging into nail bars and lift young vietnamese women and drag them out of there? is that what they're going to do? so they said rwanda was cruel, sending people to a safe country for processing, but they're going to drag people out of the workplace, drag them out of the workplace, drag them out of car washes, and then

presumably deport them. i mean, this is just this is just tosh and nonsense. it's you know, i you know, as you said, you said 1500 or come across the figure tonight is 2000. have come since labour came into power. they've already there's immigration chaos. you know, there's another story breaking tonight saying that 70,000, the migrants that were earmarked for rwanda are going to be given asylum in this country now, this, this , this country now, this, this, this kind of repeals the tories illegal migration act, where if you came here illegally, you couldn't have asylum. so now we're going to have and also starmer has been in talks with europe, with mrs. maloney and with macron. he wants to take a quota of 100,000 every year in exchange for them not coming across on the boats. well, we're already paying france millions to stop them coming across and they're still coming. >> well, yeah. i mean, we'll see about that quota. benjamin. it is actually essentially a reform party policy. this and i just wonder whether or not there's a bit of, hypocrisy here when it comes to the labour party because you know, they would

have absolutely hammered reform for this. they would have hammered the tories for doing this. and now they're just saying they'll do it and everything's fine. the civil service probably won't have a problem enforcing this, will they? >>i they? >> i mean, i think you just sound quite irrational because if farage said it, i doubt. i can't imagine you were criticising him just a couple of weeks ago when those remarks were made by him. >> richard tice about the hypocrisy of it. i'm talking about whether or not now the civil service will find a way of facilitating the deportations for these people and the processing of them in a way that one could never have imagined they would do under the conservatives. >> no, it's not hypocrisy. it's having a sensible government that isn't, bound by ideology for the sake of it. and what i would say they won't deport than we saw starmer stop the deportation of foreign criminals from this country. >> he was dead against it. >> he was dead against it. >> what i would say is that, you know, there's clearly some very dodgy shops, you know, london, central london is full of these weird, sweet shops with no customers. right? all across the country, you see it? the answer is id cards. it would make it so much more difficult for any of these people to get work for employers to get around

employing illegal immigrants. if we had id cards in this country and every home secretary finishes their time in office and says, yeah, actually i think that would have helped. all right. >> okay, jake, the words decking and titanic. >> so look, okay, this is a conjurer's trick. this is saying look over here. we're going to be really tough on immigration. we might deport literally a few thousand people who we arrest and they probably won't deport them anyway. what while at the same time rolling back the illegal migration bill, effectively creating an amnesty for £70,000, 70,000 people who came to this country illegally chucking their passports overboard, creating an amnesty and getting rid of rwanda, which was the only deterrent we had. and you're right to say 2228, i think, have come over since keir starmer became prime minister. let's put that into context. that's 15% of all people let's put that into context. that's15% of all people this year have come in the last three weeks. what were they waiting for? they were waiting for a labour government. they were queuing up in calais when the

rwanda was gone. they could come into this country legally and claim asylum. all of these deterrents have gone . and over deterrents have gone. and over here there's a conjurer's trick which yvette cooper wants us all to look at. it won't work. it's dishonest and it's just typical of the labour party who just who are just going to let everyone in. >> jake is totally right. >> jake is totally right. >> they will not deport anybody. you know, starmer has said in the past that he actually believes immigration laws are racist. so labour has no interest in in controlling immigration because they don't say anything wrong with it. they're quite in favour of it, which is interesting though, won't it? >> because on that point i did wonder this whether or not it's less racist to deport people to vietnam or to parts of eastern europe than it is back to some muslim countries or parts of africa. and i wonder whether the opfics africa. and i wonder whether the optics of that is something that labour are prepared to do. >> but the reason that they're talking about vietnam is because that seemed the sharpest rise in people coming here through boat, people coming here through boat, people who work in nail bars. and so, yes, right. i mean, look, the audacity of you to talk about that, the fact is we had an amnesty by default because the system was so poorly

run that you had people sitting in hotels for 18 months, working illegally in these places. it doesn't stop. so they weren't going anywhere under under what the tories are doing. and just to point out, we spent apparently we spent £700 million on the rwanda scheme and boat crossings went up 10% in the first six months of this year from last year. >> can i just say on that? there was a point today that i thought was a point today that i thought was quite interesting that yvette cooper made in the house of commons, where she said that the conservatives had planned on spending £10 billion on rwanda in the coming years. it's interesting, isn't it, because when you have a look at what the ifs are saying, that it's going to cost us for the public sector pay to cost us for the public sector pay rises that comes to £10 billion as well. and i just wondered if she might be wrong. >> but we need to start being honest. first of all, i wish you would. we should say there's no such thing as an asylum seeker from france. they are not fleeing persecution in france. they are economic migrants to this country. that's the first thing. and then the second thing, which i think we've got to be really straight about, is as long as we keep keep housing people, giving them benefits, giving them access to the nhs, giving them access to the nhs, giving them access to the nhs,

giving them access to nhs dentistry, they are going to keep coming unless we deal with what we call those pull factors. britain is a soft touch and people will come. and then finally, just to focus on starmer's deal with the eu to allow legally 100,000 plus asylum seekers into the uk every year. asylum seekers into the uk every year . let me asylum seekers into the uk every year. let me put that into context for you. that is the same as creating a city the size of carlisle every single year and filling it with asylum seekers, the british public, whoever they voted for at the last general election, did not vote for that. >> we'll end up saying probably at some point, a picture of yvette cooper with an immigration enforcement having her nails done next. yeah next to an immigration enforcement van. and you know, them saying, oh, we shut down this nail shop. fine. but i do wonder whether or not people are more concerned about the amount of people coming across the channel the migrant hotel situation where those people are going to live. and is this policy going to make any difference to that? i'm not sure, but we'll have to wait and see, won't we? we will have to wait and see. but coming up, i'll bring you first look at

tomorrow's newspaper front pages. hot off the press. i'll bnng pages. hot off the press. i'll bring you. oh, yes. also will this person be the next president of the united states? >> i am kamala harris. my pronouns are she and her. i am a woman sitting at the table wearing a blue suit . wearing a blue suit. >> my pronouns are jog on. but next, will starmer cave to the backbench rebels over the two child benefits cap? i'm going to explain next why that actually really does matter to all of us. and then two labour voices will it out. stay

welcome back to patrick christys. tonight still to come, i'll bring you the very first look at tomorrow's newspaper front pages. but first, a backbench rebellion against the prime minister is gathering pace. so labour's rosie duffield has now slammed sir keir starmer's refusal to scrap the two child benefit cap as, quote, overtly sexist. well, the cap was brought in by the previous tory government in 2015 and it limits the amount of benefits payments to a couple's first two children. scrapping the cap would cost an estimated £3 billion a year, but charities say that 300,000 children then would be lifted out of poverty, and 700,000 would be in less deep poverty if it were dropped. so women's rights champion rosie duffield has now blasted starmer from the backbenches, saying the obvious target is the caricature of the feckless , irresponsible of the feckless, irresponsible people who dropped children

every few minutes without being able to pay for them. but the subtext is altogether more sinister. it's an attack on women's right to choose how many children they have. okay well then, just this morning, amid mounting pressure, women and equalities minister bridget phillipson said that the government will, quote, consider scrapping the two child benefit cap after all, paving the way for another starmer u—turn. there are very much two sides on this, aren't there? there is the side of, well , don't have kids side of, well, don't have kids you can't afford. then the other side is, you know , is that side is, you know, is that humane? and actually we do have a declining birth rate. don't we. well, i'm joined now by former labour minister geoff hoon and labour activist susie stride. thank you very much , stride. thank you very much, geoff. should labour reconsider this position? i mean, you know , this position? i mean, you know, why should other people pay for people who have loads more children that they obviously, by definition can't afford ? definition can't afford? >> i'm sure in principle labour would like to make this change because it is something that a lot of labour mps will have campaigned about. >> they recognise the damage done to third and subsequent

children by not having the benefit available to the parents, so i'm sure it is something that in principle, all labour mps would want to do. the reality is , as you mentioned, it reality is, as you mentioned, it costs £3 billion. the government do not have £3 billion in their back pocket at the present time, andifs back pocket at the present time, and it's sensible , therefore, to and it's sensible, therefore, to wait to look at the financial situation and determine this when it can be afforded in the national interest. >> okay, susie , what should we >> okay, susie, what should we do here? we've got £3 billion of a cost and loads of people having kids. just willy nilly, i suppose, after this, you know, i mean, i know that we've got a declining birth rate, but would this just send a message to say, look, you can keep pumping out children and someone else will pay children and someone else will pay for them? >> i think this is again, just another really complex subject, isn't it , where there isn't another really complex subject, isn't it, where there isn't this clear cut answer. you know, ultimately we have and we've inherited the finances that we've inherited . we've inherited. >> and that means we can't do everything we want to do in the first three weeks of government,

you know, i'm massively for scrapping it. >> but at the same time, i'm also realistic that we've got the economic situation that we have and so i think in the third week of a labour government, you know, this is not something we can do right now, >> at the same time, i don't think you can't call yourself laboun think you can't call yourself labour. and, you know, i agree with what jeff's just saying there. look, you know, you know, it's children. we don't want children to pay the cost, even if it is, you know, even if you know , a parent was making the know, a parent was making the wrong decision there, you know, wherever the parents is going on with the parents, the point is , with the parents, the point is, is we're talking about children . is we're talking about children. however, i think ultimately we have to work within our means at the moment. and i think what and i also believe in supporting our leader and you know, keir starmer, i believe i lead on this . this. >> i just wonder whether or not labour has a bit of a blind spot here. jeff, you know, how can they claim, you know, if some of they claim, you know, if some of the backbench mps, you know, claim to really care about kids? oh, it's all about the children. this and then simultaneously be perfectly happy to dump a load

of children into the state school sector and, you know, potentially ruin their education as well. but but on this, does it show a bit how divided the labour party actually is? i mean, there are a sizeable number of labour mps who would want to scrap the two child benefits cap. you know, even right now, is this going to be a problem for starmer ? problem for starmer? >> i don't believe so because i think, as we've just heard, the reality is this is two and a bit weeks into a new government . weeks into a new government. everyone is finding their feet. they're looking at the financial details in a way that isn't possible when you're in opposition. so going into the treasury, sorry, jeff, just, just just on that, it is possible though, isn't it, because you've got the obr, you've got everything. >> i mean, i don't think there's really any details are there, that labour are now aware of that labour are now aware of that they weren't aware of before the election ? before the election? >> well, i think the other difference is that in government you have the resources of hugely expert treasury, civil servants available. certainly in opposition you have the red book, you have the numbers, but

you don't actually necessarily have the levers to pull that can make things happen. and i think in power. >> yeah. okay. but you are aware of everything. that's the point. this this notion now that oh gosh, you know, look at this. we're only just becoming aware of these figures that have been publicly available to absolutely everybody for however many months now. i'm just not quite sure that that adds up. and just. susie. well, let me try. >> let me try and explain. patrick i had five years in opposition. before 1997, going into government in 1997 was a revelation. i think tony blair has pointed out that he even he didn't realise that the way in which it was necessary to operate in government, it is a completely new and different experience for people, most of whom most of these ministers have not been ministers before. that was the situation for us in 97. >> varne susie, can i ask why? why should people maybe like me and maybe like quite a few people watching and listening now pay for somebody else to have children? they can't

afford? >> i mean, this is there's a bigger picture to this, isn't there? and i just i just wanted to say the bigger picture also is there are different ways of tackling child poverty. and that's really important to say that, you know, whether it's investing in schools, whether it's investing, you know, in mental health support in schools , mental health support in schools, you know, whether it's, you know, bringing down energy bills. there's a bigger picture to actually how we tackle poverty. you know, i work front line with some of the most, you know, poverty stricken kids in east london. and i can tell you for a fact, there's lots of ways of tackling poverty, the question you just asked , look, question you just asked, look, there's again, there's a bigger picture there. look, i believe in the that we are better when we are more equal. i believe that we are better than if you're born in poplar or you go to a school in eton that you have same life chances. i think we're better as a country when that happens. but that to happen, it means we believe in redistribution. i don't mind paying redistribution. i don't mind paying a little bit more. i earn a little bit more. i've had a

little bit more privilege in my life. i got to cambridge. i did actually work quite hard to get there, but i don't mind and i don't mind actually that i give a little bit more in my local area and i play football with local kids, and maybe they've not got that support at home. but for me that's about kindness. that's about actually believing in that bigger picture that we're a great country and what makes us great is that we believe in serving and caring for others. but you're also right , that doesn't mean that right, that doesn't mean that there isn't also a tough side to that. and i think keir starmer is showing that. and i think thatis is showing that. and i think that is important. >> well, we'll have to watch this space won't we really. and see see how we go when it comes to whether or not there is a massive rebellion over this two child benefits cap? but, i mean, you kind of add that to what we heard earlier today about the pubuc heard earlier today about the public sector pay rises. you know, the potential there for that to cost us £10 billion. if you add another 3 billion to this, it's going to be tricky times ahead for labour. but both of you, thank you very, very much for that. i was former labour minister geoff hoon and labour minister geoff hoon and labour party activist susie stride. coming up, have the democrats just made a bad situation even worse? >> you think you just fell out

of a coconut tree ? of a coconut tree? >> maybe somebody did. my panel decide if kamala harris has what it takes to beat donald trump. but next, get ready for the liveliest pay per view that you will not get else on national television. the front pages have just been delivered. stay

welcome back to patrick christys. tonight, let's have a first look at tomorrow's front pages, shall we? the mirror. she's lost her world. girl 11, orphaned as her mum, dad and sisters die in crash. this is a family car crash. horror. unfortunately, there's also the front page there of strictly. it's war insults, yet more accusations . and it's really accusations. and it's really going back and forth. including, by the way, actually some male celebs who have come out to say that their female professional dance partners abused them . so dance partners abused them. so this is not a one way street anymore. >> you know, today the bbc

actually an insiders and strictly said that amanda abbington is stirring this up. i mean, this is victim blaming. surely they're blaming the woman who was abused, who claims she was abused and has been with respect, is also potentially which is will i just politely say one of the reasons why i have not gone massive on this topic so far? >> and it's also potentially because you want to go on strictly, right? can i just say i want to? i want to and can we come back to me? yeah. fine. right. | come back to me? yeah. fine. right. i want everyone who books strictly now to to, see this. i am happy to offer my services to be abused. i will happily go on strictly come dancing. i will be there. sign me up. i am all yours, i will dance, i did ballet until the age of eight. my ballet until the age of eight. my mum. all right, all right, that's enough. there was a nice ice cream shop on the way to the ballet, so i. if you're looking at hire me for strictly happy to do it . do it. >> happy to do it. can you imagine the dance pro that gets him? can you just imagine the lucky woman? no, it's not lucky. >> if you want to be abused at work, i'm sure we can arrange that. yes, strictly.

>> should you just smack or slap? >> all right. i know that front page news. the metro democrats surged behind kamala. yes. there we go. yes, she can. they say. all right. well, i'll remain remains to be seen. the anointed sir, this is the i now surge in donations and support for kamala harris in democrats quest to stop trump. let's go to the guardian. senior democrats throw weight behind harris to take on trump. okay, fine . well, trump. okay, fine. well, apparently kamala harris is currently in delaware , where currently in delaware, where biden is, you know , definitely biden is, you know, definitely still clinging on and she's there to say something presumably like, oh , well done presumably like, oh, well done for everything, joe. i'm joined now by my press pack as ever, daily express columnist carole malone, journalist and broadcaster benjamin butterworth, former chairman of the conservative party. sirjake berry . we are zoning in on berry. we are zoning in on madness that's taking place across the atlantic after being endorsed by biden, vice president kamala harris looks set to replace him . she spoke set to replace him. she spoke for the first time since biden stepped down in a speech at the white house earlier this

evening. >> our president, joe biden, wanted to be here today. he is feeling much better and recovering fast. joe biden's legacy of accomplishment over the past three years is unmatched in modern history. in one term, he has already. unmatched in modern history. in one term, he has already . yes, one term, he has already. yes, you may clap . one term, he has already. yes, you may clap. in one one term, he has already. yes, you may clap . in one term, he you may clap. in one term, he has already surpassed the legacy of most presidents who have served two terms in office. >> is that true? >> is that true? >> interestingly, it's been reported that sleepy joe delayed stepping down as he doubted the abilities of kamala harris. but look, what could he possibly be so worried about? we did it. >> we did it, joe. >> we did it, joe. >> you're going to be the next president of the united states . president of the united states. >> i am kamala harris. my pronouns are she and her. i am a woman sitting at the table wearing a blue suit. >> you think you just fell out of a coconut tree ?

of a coconut tree? >> you exist in the context . i >> you exist in the context. i can imagine what can be and be unburdened by what has been, you know . know. >> yeah. no, i give her the job. just give it to her. okay? carol, should we be worried? i mean, you know, i think she's going to be as big a liability as biden. >> the democrats are obsessed by identity politics. they think that because she's a woman of colour , she's going to have you colour, she's going to have you walk into the job. no she isn't. as far as they're concerned. and their little work world, she might be in the real world. she's i don't think she's that unattractive a prospect. and it was only all these democrats now that are saying she's going to save the party. a couple of months ago, biden thought she was a drag on the ticket. so they were all talking about how they were all talking about how they could dump her. they went through all the constitution to see how they could get actually shut of her, and they found out they couldn't. so they're talking so now the woman that wanted shut up, they're saying she's going to be fantastic. she's not very good. what has she done in the past four years? the one job she was given was to

stop the people flooding across the mexican border. 10 million of them in recent years. she didn't want to get her hands dirty. she didn't want to get involved in that. she's done zilch else. and i mean, have we heard a peep out of her here? in the last four years? we've heard nothing about what she's done. she's achieved nothing. >> to be fair, we've not heard a peep out of joe biden for quite a while. >> well, no, we have, but it's all been a bit muddled latter, but, you know, anyway, that remains to be seen. >> doesn't say benjamin kamala harris, presumably you're bang in favour. >> well, first of all, it's kamala like comma. no, it's kamala, it's not, it's kamala. no, it's really not. it's if you listen to the audiobook of her memoir, she explains, it's kamala, like a comma, right? so kamala, like a comma, right? so kamala harris and i think, what were you saying, kamala. >> oh, kamala , sometimes get >> oh, kamala, sometimes get away with that stuff because i'm northern. >> so it's like when people go at his bath actually, and i go, no, it's not as bad. i mean, we're from the same town now. we're from the same town. so difficult. >> carry on. but look, i think she has a real chance because if you look at what's happened in recent years, you had, when women's reproductive rights have been on the ballot, the pro side has won every time, quite

exceeding the democratic support. and she has been the face of that campaign. you know, they've chosen jd vance, a vice presidential nominee for the republicans, a guy who says that he's against birth control, against abortions , even for against abortions, even for victims of rape and incest. and so i think that will really motivate people to support kamala. look, what what actual credibility does she have for becoming president? >> do you think? >> do you think? >> well, look, the great big lie at the centre of this was this lie that the democrats put out, that joe biden was fit and well, when they were briefing that he was effectively doing he was so fit, he was almost doing cartwheels through the oval office while doing a complicated calculus math problem in his head. at the same time, that same team who were saying how fit joe biden were were briefing out to the american press pack. kamala harris is useless . she's kamala harris is useless. she's failed on the border. she's lazy. joe biden doesn't trust her. now, of course, all of that's changed because joe biden stepping down. but the question i'd asked myself if i was an american voter is how bad must kamala harris be? if the

democratic party thought that someone who, as far as i can tell, is losing their memory would be a better president than kamala harris, how bad must she be for to for biden to be better? >> you think you think. do you know that they will just maybe make a president in the coming. >> yeah. so look so there's a few ways they could do this. it's funding rules are very complicated. in the usa, the republican party and the democrats have two different set of rules. the democratic party rules say that if you don't have either the president or the vice president and you've been fundraising for them, you have to pay all those donations back. that would effectively bankrupt the democratic party, with or without the surge of donations they've had in the last 24 hours. so i could see a situation. if joe biden isn't fit to be the presidential nominee at the election, you could say he isn't fit to be president. i actually think that's true. i could see in the next week or so him stepping down as president, her stepping in, becoming the first black woman president of the united

states , a good thing in and of states, a good thing in and of itself, at which point she would automatically get the democratic nomination to be the next president and all of their funding situation will be safe. >> but isn't it naive of the democrats to appoint someone on the basis of their gender and their race, rather than merit and ability, because her record for the past four years has been pretty shocking? she hasn't done very much, and she really is not liked. among the top aides in the white house. they don't like it. they think she's useless. and, you know, jon sopel did something similar where he said he was talking to someone who was very high in command there a few weeks ago and said, how is she doing these days? and he said, well, she's a bit better. he said, but that doesn't mean anything. >> i mean, look, i think hunter biden or i think i think i think the real conversation we're having, which democratic candidate is going to lose to donald trump? because i don't think this changes the outcome of the american election. donald trump is still a dead cert to win in miami, i think. >> i mean, they were if you look

at the republican conventions that republican politicians, they weren't saying they wanted biden to step down because they knew they had a better chance against him. so i think they'll be pretty annoyed that this has happened. and you talk about her race and her gender, her sex. look, those are two things that the coalition of democratic voters rely on. and turnout is going to be much better from having her so that improves the chances. i'd also point out that the us presidential candidate that's won with the biggest shortfall of votes in the popular vote was donald trump, the us presidential candidate that's lost by the most votes is donald trump. so he lost by 3,000,000 in 2016, and he lost by 8 million last time. so he's got to turn around an incredible number of people to do this. he's the idea that he's written off kamala harris. >> he was really scared about them putting a younger book in there, someone who was really good. there's a few names knocking about, but he was not scared about her. he really he's very happy about it. >> i don't think the answer to the problems of an octogenarian is to stick another one in there. >> well, he's not an octogenarian.

>> well, i have to say, i'm not sure. i mean, look, i'm not sure kamala harris is the answer. i'm not sure what the question is. if kamala harris is not going to get in. but anyway, now they do say a week is a long time in politics. so maybe the prime minister sir keir starmer can be forgiven for this gaffe in parliament today. >> relation to the particular point. the prime minister, the leader of the opposition. old habhs leader of the opposition. old habits die hard. >> i suppose that's taking the term uni party to a new level, isn't it really there? but anyway, yes. coming up, yet more allegations in the strictly come dancing bullying scandal, but this time against two female professionals. we've touched on it a bit earlier on. we'll revisit it. we have that in the latest, greatest britain and union jackass. but next just stop oil eco criminals were sent to prison for around four years, and one of them, mummies, isn't best pleased . best pleased. >> she has the courage of a lion and a moral compass that compels her to step forward when she sees wrong.

sees wrong. >> sees wrong. >> yeah, and a whopping great big prison sentence in a criminal record as well. that clip and the rest of tomorrow's front pages are coming your way very, very shortly, including a couple of interesting ones on the front pages tomorrow by immigration. so don't go anywhere

welcome back to patrick christys . welcome back to patrick christys. tonight, it's time to revisit the liveliest pay per view anywhere on telly. let's do it. so the times front page donor dollars pour in. as harris promises victory. er, grief. right. the daily telegraph combination for harris as rivals step aside. they say we've also got the, daily express farage. more tory mps will soon defect to reform. so that's his front page. let's go to the independent. 700 million to send just four people to rwanda. excuse me, excuse me. and they

volunteered to go as well. home secretary yvette cooper slams the tory flagship migrant policy as there we go. the same front page, basically. archewell on the daily mail saying now labour opens the door to giving asylum to 70,000 people, so there we go . to 70,000 people, so there we go. those are the entirety of your front pages. i am joined as well by daily express columnist carole malone, journalist and broadcaster benjamin butterworth, and former chairman of the tory party, sir jake berry. let's just let's just discuss about this, £700 million to send just four people to rwanda. it's on the on the front there. and also actually the daily express's farage more tory mps will soon defect to reform . mps will soon defect to reform. jacob, we'll start with you on that.is jacob, we'll start with you on that. is that true? then >> well, i don't know if it's true, but it wouldn't surprise me if it were right, you know, nigel farage stood at the last general election on what was basically a conservative party manifesto. he did remarkably well. they got lots and lots of votes spread quite evenly over the country, so it didn't convert into lots of seats . so

convert into lots of seats. so nigel farage is basically espousing many of the values that that appeal to conservatives and conservative mps. so i wouldn't be amazed if some of them would. you moved oven some of them would. you moved over, no. i wouldn't, because i am a conservative. i've been chairman of the party. i don't think the conservative party needs to become reform, but begum it needs a heck of a lot of reform to try and turn it back into a proper conservative party. if there was a merger of the two parties, not something being negotiated by me, i could see something like that happening in the future. i wouldn't you see that happening really, with farage being involved? well, who knows how long farage will be ahead of you. >> don't think he'll stay ? >> don't think he'll stay? >> don't think he'll stay? >> i don't think he'll stay as leader. is that long? i think they have plans of bringing maybe new faces on which could be leader , look, the maths are be leader, look, the maths are this simple . 5 million, this simple. 5 million, i believe people voted for the reform party. if we don't find a way to make them either vote conservative or bring those two voter blocs together. we have a labour government forever, and that's certainly something i want to see, not happen. >> would farage come to the tories?

>> i don't know, you'd have to ask. he's got a show on gb news. he should text it. >> i'm asking you. >> i'm asking you. >> come in at 7:00. you'll find out. all right. >> okay. right now. now, now, now, just last, last last week. yes. that's right. five. just stop oil protesters got sent to for five years in prison for bringing the. i'm going to start that again. so just last week , that again. so just last week, five just stop oil protesters got sentenced to four and five years in prison for bringing the m25 to a standstill. i've never been good with numbers. so you might remember this ring leader, 22 year old cressida gethin. we are currently on a gantry above the m25 . the m25. >> very loud up here. >> very loud up here. >> it's very windy. we've dropped a banner over the edge , dropped a banner over the edge, securely tied, that says just stop oil because. >> yeah, so cressida, you had your protest and now it's time to take responsibility for your actions. but cressy's mummy has decided to speak out. she's not happy that her little girl has

been sent down. >> cressida grew up in the countryside and is one of those nature loving defendants that you've heard about. she is an extremely talented musician. she worked hard growing up. she achieved highly. she has ambitions, dreams and hopes. like all young people, she had just finished her first year at university. she has the courage of a lion and a moral compass that compels her to step forward when she sees wrong . when she sees wrong. >> i mean, it's not hard to see where she gets that whopping great big sense of entitlement from, is it? she even had the gall to complain that cressy would miss her brother's wedding . would miss her brother's wedding. well, here's some of the harm that she caused by blocking the m25. all right. and this was actually read out in court. miss flights, miss funerals, schoolchildren, children missing exams, somebody suffering an aggressive form of cancer missed their appointment and was forced to wait two months for another one. so excuse me. crass's mummy, if i don't bring out the teeny tiny violin, your views on

this carole crass's mummy. >> well, the judge has sent them down with a guy called chris. hey, here. he's my hero. this guy, he's the first judges have the guts to do this, and he's done exactly what the british people have wanted to see for a long time. because i'm sick and i'm sure a lot of people are of seeing these protesters go to court, get a smack on the wrist, come out, punch the air because they're not going to prison. well, now they are. and i mean this this you read out some of the things that that that particular protest did. it cost multi—millions, it cost the cops millions of pounds themselves from their own budget. they they endangered life, you know, they they're perfectly entitled to endanger their own. but one of those could have fallen off a gantry into a car and caused a massive pile on the m25. so, you know, endanger your own lives. but don't endanger the lives of innocent motorists and other people . yes, it's right. but you people. yes, it's right. but you know what? under this labour government, the chris's mom shouldn't worry because she'll be out on the streets in about in about five months time. >> so we'll see, won't we, benjamin? you know chris's mum there. your thoughts. >> well you feel for her because

she's a mother and she clearly has a talented daughter. but you know, when paedophiles and rapists aren't even getting five years in prison, you wonder whether it's justifiable to put a peaceful protester to take up one of those spaces. peaceful? >> that was not peaceful protest. it was peaceful protest. >> not called it peaceful protest. >> not peaceful. >> not peaceful. >> you know, apparently we've got space for peaceful protesters talking about climate change when serious criminals are getting out. >> so the only thing i just i've got three kids and i actually really felt for her, it was a heartfelt speech that she was making saying, i'm really proud of my daughter. despite the actions she took in, despite getting this criminal record, i think if i was that parent stood up there, i would actually be stood there thinking, what could ihave stood there thinking, what could i have done to stop this? what was my role in this exactly? you know, the made known to her at some point, correct? >> correct. i should have instilled some discipline in the home or something. >> yeah. so on a very personal level, you've got to feel really sorry for her parents, but actually you know, a bit of self—awareness. maybe they

should be thinking what responsibility? >> they wouldn't ever do something like that genuinely. right. and i am, as every single person knows, by no means perfect, right at all. far from it. but one of the reasons why, even if i felt really strongly about that, that i would not do something like that because i wouldn't want to hurt my parents. yes, she obviously doesn't care. yes, she obviously doesn't care. yes, she obviously doesn't care. >> but it looks like they share that belief in social justice and the same outcome of wanting to stop a climate disaster. and i think, you know, that's probably a proud mother. if you went back 100 years, there were, you know, women that were putting themselves in these situations. and i suspect their mothers were proud. if you go back 50 years, there were gay rights activists doing very similar things, and they have remembered. yeah. >> but the difference was that women didn't have the right to stand for parliament. so cressida could have stood for parliament, could have said, i'm going to be a just stop oil parliamentary candidate. we actually saw a lot of greens elected at the last election. you know, that that is using the political system to change things, make friends with insulate prison. >> can't she were in there as well now i think. >> but how well how well are prison cells insulated? >> very interesting. there was a study out recently that said a

lot of these activists, they're actually narcissists. they're not in in protesting for altruistic reasons. we wouldn't want for selfish reasons. >> i think people that sit on telly for a living shouldn't lecture about narcissists. >> and we also wouldn't want cressida's mum to come for us in court ourselves, wouldn't we? so defamation of character. anyway, time for today's greatest president union jackass, right? >> okay . >> okay. >> okay. >> come on. who's your greatest? britain? oh, wow. >> on a second. do his and come back for me in a second. i know who it is, but i can't pronounce. i've got it, i've got it. okay, so my greatest. i feel like we worked, but i couldn't pronounce the name that i chose them because these camilla, the no.the them because these camilla, the no. the identical twin sisters you probably never heard of . i you probably never heard of. i hadnt you probably never heard of. i hadn't heard of yesterday. lena and lavia nilsson, the 228 year old identical twins. they are some of the fastest runners. the two of the fastest runners in the world are identical twins both are hoping to bring. they're expected to bring gold home from paris, but what makes these sisters even more unique is they both have multiple sclerosis and they both suffered bouts of it now and again . but bouts of it now and again. but they look. that's them. look at look at these two girls. they're

incredible. remarkable. it's a remarkable story in paris this week. and if you don't give this greatest britain, i will never forgive you for this because actually, these are two people who deserve it. they they go around representing britain in pain. >> the gold medal for longest explanation goes to caroline . explanation goes to caroline. >> should you you you can't all go on quite like i don't mind. >> easy. it's the greatest us president we've had. he's an honorary, greatest britain. oh, goodness. joe biden , who has goodness. joe biden, who has saved the world, saved america, been a great friend to britain . been a great friend to britain. >> do you know what? he won't even remember you sucking up to him. that's the really distressing thing about it, right? my greatest britain carol. >> because he just got married. >> because he just got married. >> now come on, mike, here we go. >> now come on, mike, here we 90- my >> now come on, mike, here we go. my greatest britain. >> prince george, what's he done ? >> prince george, what's he done? >> prince george, what's he done? >> get away! well, first of all. >> get away! well, first of all. >> oh, he's he's, inlines. >> oh, he's he's, inlines. >> he's third in line to our throne. he's 11 years old. that's a really. i'm a boy. that's a really. i'm a boy. that's really important for boys birthday. but if you think about the huge challenges he's had this year with the cancer diagnosis, for his mother to still be up there having a nice pick take and still be in the

pubuc pick take and still be in the public eye, i think he deserves some praise. >> today's winner of the greatest britain are lena and latvia nilsson, who are going to bnng latvia nilsson, who are going to bring home the gold for great britain under incredibly difficult circumstances. well done. yes, right now we're bang out of time very quickly. union royal parks, which is the beautiful albert memorial in hyde park, is highly offensive because it reflects a victorian view of the world. >> of course it does, because it was built by queen victoria to commemorate her husband albert in the victorian era. funny that i'm sick of these people making us apologise for history. >> there it is. that's the thing that apparently is deeply offensive, right? okay. >> not my jackass is bbc's strictly come dancing not just because of the allegations about inappropriate behaviour, but because it looks like the bbc knew this for a long time. it ignored it, and that's just out of order. >> yeah fair enough. >> yeah fair enough. >> right. new green mp coladenia, who is also one of the co—leaders. they can't even make their mind up who the leader should be, put out a tweet claiming that joe biden was been an amazing president to then immediately put out another

tweet to say, yeah, but i don't really like him that much because he's mean to people in palestine. and also with all of her green credentials, she has been caught out opposing new electricity pylons in her constituency, which would help with the green industrial revolution. >> lovely stuff. well, all of them would have been worthy winners, but i've gone for the royal parks. yeah. i'm sorry, i just thought that was one that i was like, oh, come on anyway. right. well done everybody. thank you for a wonderful show. everybody really enjoyed it tonight. and thank you. more importantly, everybody who's been watching and listening. take it easy people. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar, sponsors of weather on gb news >> good evening. here's your latest gb news. weather forecast coming to you from the met office. for many tomorrow looks like it's going to be a bit dner like it's going to be a bit drier and a bit sunnier with that two. that being said, there will be some showery rain around most of today's showers are clearing away towards the east as we go overnight, but there is

another system coming into the west and the southwest and we are going to see further outbreaks of rain, which could be heavy , pushing across parts be heavy, pushing across parts of wales and also southwest england as we go overnight elsewhere, apart from a few showers towards the east northeast, it's going to be largely dry and there will be some clear skies around. but for many another warm night, temperatures are particularly in the towns and cities holding up in the mid teens celsius. some outbreaks of rain. then first thing could be quite heavy across some southern parts. first of all, originally around a central southern parts, but the heavier bursts are going to push their way eastwards through the morning before clearing away elsewhere across much of england and wales, a few showery bursts, but also some decent bright, sunny weather. first thing largely fine and sunny across northern ireland and many parts of northern england across scotland, a bit of a west east split around eastern areas . it's split around eastern areas. it's going to be a bit cloudier. a few outbreaks of rain here likely to be dry at brighter across more central and western parts of scotland through the day. then we are going to see a

scattering of showers here or there. many places will actually avoid the showers and stay largely dry, but a few showers are possible and they could be a little bit on the heavy side though i'm not expecting any thunder like we've seen through today. with a bit more sunshine around, temperatures are going to be a bit higher than they have been lately. temperatures reaching highs of around 2425 celsius, possibly even 26 celsius. any showers will die out as

>> it's 11:00. >> it's11:00. you're with gb news and the top story tonight. it's understood that rishi sunak's replacement as conservative leader will be announced on november the 2nd. the party itself said tonight . the party itself said tonight. the party itself said tonight. the former prime minister will remain in post until that date. nominations to succeed him will open the day after tomorrow, wednesday at 7:00 in the evening, then close next monday at 230 in the afternoon . at 230 in the afternoon. conservative mps will then narrow it down to four candidates, who will each make their case to party members at their case to party members at the conservative party conference this autumn. now, news from the united states, now the head of the secret service there has admitted that the attempt to assassinate donald trump was the most significant operational us secret service failure for decades . kimberly failure for decades. kimberly cheadle has been testifying today before a congressional heanng today before a congressional hearing in an effort to explain herself following that attempt

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