party should be taking that to long decide your thoughts? also, it's been announced today that the bibby stockholm is going to closed in january. so what do you make to that then? also, police chiefs have declared a national emergency. get this. it's around the subject of violence against women and girls. levels of which have apparently reached epidemic levels. you tell me what is to blame for this? and how on earth do we fix it? i can tell you people like andrew tate, they are coming under fire today. what do you make to that? also,

nearly 1200 lawyers, celebrities , nearly 1200 lawyers, celebrities, urgent meeting with the attorney general to address the injustice. they say of the five and four year sentences meted out for the just stop oil folks, your thoughts on that , please? your thoughts on that, please? also, the era of digital ids is soon to be upon us. labour say it will make life easier. critics say it is a massive state overreach. your thoughts ? state overreach. your thoughts? holac and more. before seven. but first, the 6:00 news headunes. headlines. >> michelle, thank you and good evening to you, will the latest from the jp newsroom tonight is coming to us from the united states, where president joe biden is due to address the nafion biden is due to address the nation for the from the oval office tomorrow to explain his plans for what he calls finishing the job. if you're

watching on tv, you can see these live pictures of air force one in the state of delaware, where joe biden has been at his houday where joe biden has been at his holiday home by the beach. the president's understood to be returning to the white house today after several days out of the spotlight. it'll be interesting to see just how much we get to see of joe biden today as kamala harris asserts herself as kamala harris asserts herself as the presumed democrat nominee to face the republican donald trump, she's already secured the support of senior democrats, including joe biden, nancy pelosi and now bill and hillary clinton. her campaign raised over $80 million yesterday in just 24 hours, just afterjoe just 24 hours, just after joe biden dropped out of the race for the white house and staying in washington, the head of the us secret service today resigned amid intense criticism of her handung amid intense criticism of her handling of the attempted assassination of donald trump. kimberly cheatle admitted that the attempt on mr trump's life was , in her words, the most was, in her words, the most significant operational failure

by the secret service for decades. and she said she had quit with a heavy heart. she'd been testifying before a congressional committee hearing yesterday explaining her actions and saying she took full responsibility for what went wrong. news here at home now and the islamist preacher anjem choudary has been found guilty of directing a terrorist organisation. he now faces life in prison . organisation. he now faces life in prison. his trial found that he'd directed the group known as al—muhajiroun , for a significant al—muhajiroun, for a significant penod al—muhajiroun, for a significant period starting in 2014. he was also found to have encouraged support at online meetings of the islamic thinkers society. that's a new york based islamist group . charlotte dujardin , the group. charlotte dujardin, the dressage champion, has had to withdraw from the olympics over a video that has resurfaced from four years ago, showing her making what she called an error of judgement during a coaching session . the three time olympic session. the three time olympic dressage champion has had to

pull out of all competitions while the incident is being reinvestigated, she said. what happened all those years ago was out of character and she's sorry for her actions and devastated to have let everybody down. now a police officer was stabbed at a police officer was stabbed at a prison near durham today. the officer is conscious and talking and he's in hospital following the incident, which happened this morning at frankland prison. that's to according durham police. he was visiting the category a men's prison from an outside force. the home secretary, yvette cooper, said this afternoon she was appalled and that her thoughts were with the officer and his family. and that her thoughts were with the officer and his family . the the officer and his family. the government's to shut down a barge used for housing migrants off the south coast of england as part of an overhaul of the asylum system . use of the bibby asylum system. use of the bibby stockholm, which can house up to 500 men, began under the conservative government, but human rights campaigners compared it to a prison ship and criticised its use as inhumane, extending the use of the bibby

stockholm would have cost more than £20 million next year. water companies are expected to do far more to protect the health of britain's waterways when new powers are given to the regulator, the government says the environment secretary will promise a crackdown on water firms that include tougher fines for polluting and making sure money is properly invested into water infrastructure, rather than being paid out in bonuses for bosses. the environment agency reported 47 serious pollution incidents last year. that's up from 44 in 2022. steve reid says that's still unacceptable. >> it would cost hundreds of billions of pounds to nationalise the water companies, and it would take years to unravel the common ownership models. i want to crack on and clean up the water as fast as we can. that is best done by giving the regulator the power, the teeth they need to stop these practices, and that includes the powers to make water bosses responsible for illegal pollution, face criminal charges

for the law breaking for which they are responsible, and just one last piece of entertainment news for you. >> the last remaining member of the four tops, whose music helped redefine the sound of motown, has died at the age of 88. you know that our week with you, we will. >> you can't help myself cause i love you and no one else. >> abdul fakir, who was often known as the duke, was part of the quartette behind the string of hits throughout the 60s. in addition to i can't help myself, which you just heard there, they also gave the world reach out, i'll be there. and of course, baby, i need your loving , all of baby, i need your loving, all of which became instant classics. fellow musician smokey robinson has paid tribute to his friend, saying the duke would carry on making music in heaven . those making music in heaven. those are the latest gb news headlines. for now, i'm polly middlehurst. i'm back in an houn middlehurst. i'm back in an hour. see you then.

>> for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code or go to gbnews.com forward slash alerts . forward slash alerts. >> thanks for that, polly, and thank you very much for placing the music of the four tops firmly at the forefront of my mind now, when i should be thinking about bibby stockholm and stuff like that, i just hear myself singing reach out in my own mind. what at home, you tell me is your favourite song from the four tops? i often wonder as well, when you hear about some of these old bands and you look at some of the states of some of the music today and some of the lyrics, i wonder what this what these older musicians must think about. is it just a sign of the times? do they make music like they used to, or what? you tell me. i am michelle dewberry and i'm keeping you company until 7:00 tonight alongside me. my panel 7:00 tonight alongside me. my panel. i've got a new face to the programme. former

conservative mp and the former tory chairman said jake berry. and alongside him the columnist and author ella whelan. good evening to both of you. you're very welcome tonight. you know the drill, don't you? what's on your mind tonight? i bet it is just the four tops music now, we planted that seed in your mind. but anyway, lots. i want to talk to you about tonight. you can get in touch with me all the usual ways. gbnews.com/yoursay is how you can talk to me and each other. and of course, you can email gb views @gbnews. com or you can go to twitter or x and you can reach me there @gbnews. but wherever you're watching or listening tonight, you're very welcome indeed. now, there's been a lot of speculation, hasn't there, about who is going to be the new leader of the conservative party, what are the time frames? and so on and so forth. well, now we seem to have a lot more clarity because we know that we're going to be finding out the new leader by november. i think the 2nd of november is the exact date many people, jake, are saying what on earth is taking the tories so long? >> well, look, as you say,

michel, i was chairman of the conservative party. these things can be done quickly when the tory mps, i was one of them. i didn't do it . defenestrated liz didn't do it. defenestrated liz truss. we could have had a leadership in 3 or 4 days. in fact, i saw that i was chairman. i think it's a disgrace, actually, that the members were excluded and rishi sunak was brought upon the tory party by the mps themselves. but when you've lost an election, let's be absolutely clear. it was a battering that we got in june. i know i was one of the ones who got battered. you need to take a bit of time to step back , listen bit of time to step back, listen to the british public say, where did we go wrong ? what do you did we go wrong? what do you want us to focus on? what do you want us to focus on? what do you want the modern conservative party to be about? is it immigration? is it europe? is it about social issues and to appoint a leader straight away? i think we just show absolute arrogance. that's why it's going so long, because there's going to be a long period where all of these candidates, they'll be narrowed down. they'll start about 8 or 9 of them as early as

next week. they'll be narrowed down to four by the start of the summer long parliamentary holidays. let's not forget, keir starmer said he was going to get rid of those, but he hasn't, has he, and then they those four candidates will go round the country and talk to conservative members, but crucially as well go out and talk to the british pubuc go out and talk to the british public and say, look guys, we got it catastrophically wrong. tell us where we went wrong. what do you want us to focus on? so personally, even though three months is a very long time, it's also as well as the leadership election. it's a post—mortem of the election that we lost , the election that we lost, telling you the things that you've been doing wrong for months on end now. well, they have i'm just not sure that the leadership of the conservative party, as was and the rishi sunak now interim leader, were listening. and i think if someone wants to lead the conservative party in the future, they really need to be publicly attuned, if you like, with the views of the people who they're asking, who do you think to vote for leader should be? well, i don't really know, you must have a view. well, the last

time around, i supported tom tugendhat. i'm not supporting anyone at the moment this time round, but i think tom tugendhat is someone who could basically unite the party but give real leadership to the country. i think kemi badenoch is the one that people are betting on. she's the bookies favourite. i think she's an exceptional communicator. james cleverly again, a fantastic individual, a really good political communicator and i wouldn't discount, i think the outside chance in this election is dame priti patel, i think pretty stands quite a good chance. she's very popular with the membership. i think it could be any of them. >> well, some of your membership, will be watching this programme tonight. what do you make to those timelines and who would you like to see as the next leader? and what about this whole notion of what went so wrong then for the tories? how would you surmise it? and what do you think they should be positioning themselves as going forward? your thoughts, ellie, what do you think? >> i don't think that a new leader is going to solve the deep existential crisis within

the conservative party, which is that, you know, probably with the exception of kemi badenoch, most of the conservatives, to my mind. and i'm not a conservative, have forgotten what it means to be a conservative, i mean , it's clear conservative, i mean, it's clear as day what you got wrong in relation to not handling the immigration issue properly, you know, in any kind of adequate sense , you know, failing to sense, you know, failing to address people's key concerns, whether it's housing or anything else. but i think the main thing that the conservative party got wrong when they were in government was squandering the 2019 brexit moment, and it wasn't just a sort of flippant, superficial thing. it was a sense of, you know, a momentum had built from 2016 around the idea of democratic change. you know, the fact that so many more people had voted in that particular referendum than ever before. there was a there was a sort of real potential. there and that was squandered throughout the covid years. i think it could have been handled

differently, but certainly there was no real boris johnson. my, my little bit of a fake, but there was no real sort of kind of die hard democrat in the conservatives that was going to realise that populist potential . realise that populist potential. and it sort of was always going to happen that way. you know, who will recapture that now in parliament, i mean, we've had nigel farage making his maiden speech , probably one of the few speech, probably one of the few mps that gets the brexit spirit in that kind of way, but just simply putting even someone that i might like on certain issues, like covid kemi badenoch as the head won't address that existential crisis. i think, you know , with reform on your hot know, with reform on your hot and your heels and everything else, the tory party can't go back to some kind of golden age. it has to either change or split or move. >> so i think you're right, i think so. the first thing is the general election in all usual measures, is a very long time away. it will probably be four if not five years away. so there is quite a long time for the conservative party to try and

reconnect. it completely lost touch with people who voted conservative. why do people so? why did so many people vote reform in the july the 4th election? because the reform party stood on a conservative manifesto, the conservative party didn't. and we've got to find a way to recapture those 5 million people who voted for reform and bring them back into the conservative family. it's not a given. reform may keep them reform may keep them and build on them. if we don't do that as a political party and the right remains divided, you will effectively have a labour government forever, or a left wing government forever . i don't wing government forever. i don't think that's what britain wants. so it does seem to me, whoever the next leader of the party is, they need to find a way to heal they need to find a way to heal the conservative family, bring reform voters, maybe even the reform party to, together with the conservative party and recapture that that spirit, that buccaneering spirit of entrepreneurial ism, a belief in britain, patriotism that i think is missing from our current government. >> but i transfer what you just

said. >> they're quite arrogant, this nofion >> they're quite arrogant, this notion that it's kind of it's the tories or essentially a left wing government forever, you know, there's a whole sense, i mean , i can tell you now, so mean, i can tell you now, so many of you get in touch on the website, you see it for yourself, getting in touch on email, saying the tories are an irrelevance. now, it doesn't matter who your leader is. so i found this notion that you need to bring people back into your fold quite arrogant because perhaps what needs to happen is some of you guys need to start leaving your fold and start looking to people like reform as being the future. >> well, that's not quite what i said, because what i said is that we have to find a way to bnng that we have to find a way to bring reform voters and conservative voters together, because if we don't, you will have a labour or a labour lite government reform. or in the alternative, find a way to bring the two parties together. >> would you ever would you ever consider joining? >> well, my considerjoining? >> well, my personal view is that most conservative members of parliament and former members of parliament and former members of parliament and former members of parliament have, or should consider joining reform because considerjoining reform because the reform party is standing on a conservative party manifesto. my a conservative party manifesto. my view, as someone who's been

chairman of the conservative party is actually the conservative party needs to reform rather than necessarily become reform. >> well , tell me your thoughts >> well, tell me your thoughts about it at home. we've been speaking there about reform. well, nigel farage, he delivered his maiden speech in parliament today. listen we will not stop the boats even if we send a handful to rwanda, we will not stop the boats by attempting to smash the criminal gangs. >> whatever prison sentences or penalties are put upon them, there will always be people volunteering to make millions of euros a week . we will only stop euros a week. we will only stop this if we start deporting people that come illegally. then they won't pay the smugglers. but we'll only do that by leaving the echr >> one of the things he was going on to suggest is perhaps allowing a referendum about that very question. he also was pointing out that in the king's speech, i think it was something the word immigration. and he

featured something like two on two separate occasions. now, speaking about immigration, it was a key issue for many of my viewers. jake. now, we found out today that the bibby stockholm that's due to close now in january, this is part of the labour party's plans. they say that they're going to speed up the processing of these asylum seekers. do you support that decision or not? >> close the bibby stockholm box? no absolutely not. i there's two things about it. so labour of course this week have you can dress it up how you want. you can put smoke and mirrors around it. they have announced an amnesty for every single asylum seeker who's come here in the last 12 months. so that means 70 to 90,000 people will just be allowed to stay in the uk. that's the first thing. they've also, they dispute . they've also, they dispute. >> it's an amnesty. >> it's an amnesty. >> they can they can dispute it if it walks like a duck, it quacks like a duck. it's a duck. they we passed a law that said, if you come to this country illegally, you're a criminal. you can't have asylum. they've said, we'll reverse that. and if you look at the figures from the home office, about 90% of people

who apply for asylum in the uk, it's far too high. they get it. it's an effective amnesty. there are no disincentives anymore. one of the final disincentives were if you come to the country, we're not going to pay for you to be in a hotel. we're going to put you on the bibby stockholm barge described by some people as a floating prison. good. i hopeit as a floating prison. good. i hope it is like a floating prison. or we're going to put you in a military camp today. the labour party has said they're going to close those two military camps, one which hadn't opened, and close the bibby stockholm bomb. i don't know what more they could do, michel, than roll out a red carpet. let's not forget 15% of all the people who crossed the channel illegally have come since keir starmer this year, since keir starmer this year, since keir starmer became prime minister he's not even been in the job three weeks and they're queuing up at the border. >> come off it. you can't. you can't see that a fellow that's only been in the job for about two seconds is somehow going to be able to implement a plan. you guys can't even, he told me. >> years, michelle, let me pick up on that number one. he said he had a plan to immediately smash the gangs. we'll see. i've

seen no evidence of it. but also dunng seen no evidence of it. but also during the election campaign, both the conservatives and in fact, reform said, we were unhed fact, reform said, we were united on this. the migrants are queuing up in calais waiting for you to release all of these disincentives, the inability to claim asylum, being put on the bibby stockholm barge and guess what? we were right. that is why 15% have come over in just over a fortnight compared to the rest of the year. hello jake, you've got to let go of the gimmicks and the bibby stockholm are much like the rwanda plan was gimmick. >> it wasn't the kind of substantial change that needs to happenin substantial change that needs to happen in order to either fix the small boats issue, or the wider conversation about immigration, illegal and otherwise. you know, we know that now, lots of people's issue with the numbers isn't just related to small boats, but that much bigger picture, the, the, you know , i think to be fair to you know, i think to be fair to the labour party, number one, the labour party, number one, the labour party is not liberal on immigration. it just isn't. the labour party is not liberal on immigration. it just isn't . i on immigration. it just isn't. i think that there's far less clear blue water between the

conservatives and the labour party on immigration than people might like to make out, but the announcements here for, you know, angela, dame angela eagle saying that they're committed to having a swift , firm and fair, having a swift, firm and fair, insurance of the rules . you insurance of the rules. you might be cynical and say, yeah, yeah , but actually, we know that yeah, but actually, we know that much of the failures behind processing asylum seekers or deaung processing asylum seekers or dealing with illegal immigration has been come boiled down to simple paperwork. a simple sort of either people working in civil servants not doing the job properly, emails not being answered. and that leads to injustices where people who shouldn't be allowed to stay are for an indefinite periods, but also people who should have had their their claims processed and become , living here normally are become, living here normally are left on waiting list for a very long time. >> people discard deliberately their identification documents as well, don't they. >> and it's. yeah. >> and it's. yeah. >> and it's very odd, given that you're apparently supposedly a genuine asylum seeker. well, there was there were plans under you know, even under blair, i think it was far back as that

there were plans to have a sort of simple, whether you call it a detention centre or anything else, a system in which there was an area, or military camp marked off where it wouldn't be squalor. >> and we know there was the whole stuff about the bibby stockholm having, you know, not exactly great living conditions or something like dentist or something like yarl's wood, places like yarl's wood, which were hell holes, real hell holes. and good that they were shut down but have a proper functioning , decent place where functioning, decent place where you would process people in a timely fashion. and it's not rocket science. >> it's timely fashion. it's not rocket science. all the documents away. >> yeah, well, if you i mean, how are you going to do that? it can't either. we say that this is an issue that can be fixed and governments put in the resources and the time to fix it. and, you know, look, i'm not an expert on the on dealing with the immigration system, but it strikes me as not impossible that you could find out whether someone has maliciously discarded them or simply lost them. i mean, that must be in them. i mean, that must be in the realms within someone's

expertise and just do it properly. i think that, you know, i want to give labour a little bit of room to, to do something about this because i don't think we should sit here moaning the whole time. it's an issue that people want fixed. they don't want to continue. surely what you just said is they need a detention centre. >> that's what the military camps were going to be and that's what they've scrapped today. so you can't say labour are right to scrap the military camps, but we need a detention. >> but you guys were the biggest fans of hotels to anyone else. i mean, you also can't make that claim, but where are these 400 people going to go? >> well hang on. >> well hang on. >> there you go. million dollar question. let's respond to that. perhaps after the break. and also look at this massive new, emergency. apparently across our societies, the violence against women and girls. what do you think is causing and how do we it? you tell me, and i'll see you

hi there. i'm michelle dewberry with you. cell seven. jake berry and ella whelan remain alongside me. we're just asking the

million dollar question. as i went into the break. then if you're going to close down the bibby stockholm where should these people go? jake, what was these people go? jake, what was the answer? did we come up with one in the break? >> well, they're just going to be put in hotels. and i think actually the last government for christians , they closed a load christians, they closed a load of these hotels, including one where i live in darwen and in lancashire. and they're just going to reopen, aren't they , going to reopen, aren't they, >> i was reading a report, actually, and it was saying, i've got it in front of me , that i've got it in front of me, that according to the national audit office, they reckon that in the financial year up to march 2024, £51 financial year up to march 2024, £3.1 billion would have been spent on hotels. i mean, that is appalling. and then they go on to say they have these, contracts. so the likes of companies like serco and people like that, they've got contracts for 100,000 asylum seekers in government accommodation and apparently the last government haven't even, collated any centralised records of where these people are, the statuses of them, these guys are

opendemocracy, etc. they say that this is a systemic failure, >> and i don't know the information. >> i mean, i think it's pretty clear for everyone to see that there were lots and lots of failures in the last government, but my view is really simple is until we accept the fact and i applaud what nigel farage said in the house of commons today. and it was good to see him make his maiden speech. he waited a long time to do it until we accept the fact that there is no such thing as an asylum seeker from france, because they are not fleeing persecution in france. they are. they are economic migrants and we find a way to send them back to france. we will not crack this problem, and we will have people in these hotels getting benefits, living off the british state, living off the british state, living off the british taxpayer and the public, i believe, is absolutely fed up with this. >> well, one of the viewers, craig, says, michel, quite frankly, i imagine that any homeless person would be glad of a space on the bibby stockholm, but apparently it doesn't seem to be good enough for people who entered the country illegally.

this whole notion about putting up our homeless people in places like the bibby stockholm and why are we're not doing that? that is coming through, thick and fast on the email, celia says she finds it offensive when people describe the bibby stockholm as inhumane. she says it's warm , dry, three meals it's warm, dry, three meals a day. a bus is laid for on them, health care, immediate access to healthcare, etc. they live better than some of the british population, she says. what do you make to that? well, speaking of the british population, a new police report now estimates get this at least 1 in 12 women in england and wales will be victim of violence every single year. now, the reason this has hit the headunes now, the reason this has hit the headlines today is because now national police chiefs council have described this issue as, i quote, a national emergency. also coming up in the line of fire, shall we say, is people like andrew tate apparently he is responsible for radicalising boys into what people are calling extreme misogyny . ella

calling extreme misogyny. ella whelan where are you on all this? >> i think that it's really irresponsible to try and confuse the issue of violence against women with sort of these sort of headune women with sort of these sort of headline grabbing statements on people like andrew tate . we know people like andrew tate. we know that the vast majority of cases of violence against women and sadly, you know, that end in a lot of them that end in deaths are in a domestic violence setting with repeated abuse from partners who are known to the people. it's not teenagers looking at, horrible rubbish on the internet that is causing the vast majority of this violence. so to try and cut, i think really cover up or avoid blame for what is police inadequacy by making big statements about andrew tate is irresponsible. we know that that's something that could drastically change the numbers of women that suffer from violence at the hands of partners is by proper police work, of following up complaints, of treating women with respect, you know, all the rest of it. it's just the boring ,

rest of it. it's just the boring, everyday, adequate policing. so that makes me really angry. but i do think there is a conversation to be had about inceldom. this idea , an andrew inceldom. this idea, an andrew tate and this sort of rise weird rise of the internet and the influence of the internet on particularly on young men, whether it's porn or anything else, and the sort of crisis of masculinity, all of that is a thing that i think we should be talking about with kids and with young people . but the idea that young people. but the idea that if you suddenly banned andrew tate off youtube, off youtube, or, you know, blocked young people's access to the internet violence against women would disappear is a nonsense. i think it's a really lazy and easy way out of a very complicated issue. check. >> well, look, it's hard to disagree with anything you said. i mean, i think the first thing is andrew tate is a vile, horrible individual who has abhorrent views, but parents, i think also have to accept that if we don't, i've got three kids |, if we don't, i've got three kids i, view loads of viewers will have their own children if we don't talk to our own children

about things like the views of andrew tate, then he is going to be educating them for us on our behalf. and as a parent, i find that absolutely terrifying. >> what views of his do you dislike so much? well, i don't know him, by the way. so you say it's an awful person. i don't know him so well. >> the fact that he's referred to women as inherently idle, he said that women are the possession of men. he said that when women get married, they become the possession of their husband, and he's the husband should be completely free to abuse them in any way that he wants, i think, or he's a self—proclaimed misogynist. i think they are vile, abhorrent and completely unacceptable. views in any modern society. >> but isn't it? >> but isn't it? >> i mean, correct me if i'm wrong because i do confess i am not an avid follower of andrew tate. but isn't he someone that kind of longs for a return to how society once was, i.e. that men were the breadwinner , that men were the breadwinner, that women were staying at home to raise a family, and that they did rely on their husband to provide for them, that they didn't go out to work. isn't

that what he's trying to create? i ask that as an innocent question. >> just just like the taliban, he has a similar view about women as the taliban have. and let's not forget that he has also been charged with a series not yet gone to trial. very serious sexual offences in romania and is awaiting trial for the exploitation and people trafficking of women. >> obviously, i've got to say he's not to here defend himself, of course. and i'm sure he would push back against a lot of what has been said. >> ella. well, you know, i think it's a bit futile to try and psychologically unpick him. he's a bit like a male katie hopkins. he's an attention seeker. he's one of these influencers that says shocking things. he's you know, some nobody kid from luton who's decided to make his name by smoking cigars and doing ridiculous things on the internet. actually, there's been some really interesting interviews with young men who watch his videos and a lot of them say all the women's stuff. yeah, i know that's silly. i'm not interested in that. i i'm friends with girls and i know

that they're not meant to. you know, their life's work isn't to make me a sandwich, but the thing that they're interested in is sort of his celebrity, his fame, his big cars. and, you know, the sort of stupid stuff that teenagers are interested in. so i think we're giving him too much influence by panicking too much influence by panicking too much influence by panicking too much about him. and instead we actually, you know, there are some very serious things that we could be talking about in relation to men and women's relationship, women's freedom. i'm open to those conversations, but we fail if we become obsessed with andrew doyle. >> let me quickly bring some stats in this violence against women and girls. apparently there's 2 million victims every yeah there's 2 million victims every year. there's 2.3 million perpetrators every year, 20% of all police recorded crimes are unked all police recorded crimes are linked to violence against women and girls. they reckon that the fastest growing groups of victims and perpetrators are aged 16 to 19. there's a few things i just want to throw out there. so one of the one of the issues that i've got about this issues that i've got about this is the lack of data. we don't seem to really understand who are perpetrating these crimes. often when we start trying to track a lot of police forces, when they start trying to track the sex of the individual,

because i bet my bottom dollar it's men doing this, you can track the data. however, this person decides to identify . so person decides to identify. so this person could decide to identify as a female that goes down as female on female crime. and you mentioned the taliban. i cannot help but notice that we do seem to have a habit of importing quite a lot of people into this country who perhaps do see someone like myself, a woman as lower than and less than them, and that is their culture. what do you think to that ? what do you think to that? >> well, i think you make a really good point. the fact that people can self—identify as whatever they want when they're talking to a police officer is just the nonsense of society. and i think people do want to push back against that. but you guys introduced, no, we didn't, we didn't, we didn't. >> i thought it was people like theresa may. no, no , it wasn't theresa may. no, no, it wasn't introduced by us. >> in fact, we pushed back against self—id . it was against self—id. it was introduced in scotland, the snp tried to do it and we pushed back against that. previous to that, i'm talking about, you were a big fan. the important thing to remember about him, and i think what we've got to be

really concerned about as parents and people who care about young people, is all the things he's pushing is 30 supercars, smoking cigars, being a multi—millionaire. that is a trojan horse to appeal to young men. and i'm the only man on the panel to appeal to young men than to use that to become a trusted source for them, to then get their views on women. and that's why we should be concerned about it. and what i say is, where are the parents in this? because as i said at the start, if you are not educating your children about reasonable views on women and girls , andrew views on women and girls, andrew tate is doing it for, what about my other issue then that we are importing a lot of men into this society who culturally do not see women as equals? >> why is no one addressing that issue? >> well , look, that issue? >> well, look, that is issue? >> well , look, that is the >> well, look, that is the problem of multiculturalism . i problem of multiculturalism. i believe, like suella braverman, it has a lot of failings about it has a lot of failings about it . people who come to the uk it. people who come to the uk should assimilate into our society , but they do and take on society, but they do and take on the views of the uk. yeah, but they're not. >> that's my issue. >> that's my issue. >> no one seems to be talking. we can sit here and say they

should, but they're not. >> well, i mean, i think it would be quite good to find out what we do think about women's freedom as a society because there's lots of members of, for example, the conservative party who are not for a second suggesting they held similar views to islamists. but i would disagree vehemently with their view of women's position in society, or what a woman's role should be legal freedoms that women might have, whether it's around abortion or anything else. so an open discussion about if andrew tate does nothing else other than provoke an open discussion about women's freedom , women's standing in freedom, women's standing in society, whether it's in relation to violence or not, one, not two, but three female prime ministers from the conservative party. all three of them did absolutely nothing beneficial for the furtherment of women's freedom. i mean, you know , it's just being a woman know, it's just being a woman and wearing a skirt doesn't make you useful to me. >> well, anyway, these days, i was just about to make , a witty was just about to make, a witty comment about self—parody, but i've decided i don't want to stress myself out a lot. coming up after the break, i love this story. do you remember those just stop oil, protesters that got sentenced to five years and

four years? we'll get this. an open letter has been written out by 1200 people. luvvies celebrities saying it's inhumane and demanding a meeting with the attorney general about this sentence. i also want to touch upon digital ids. they are coming. your thoughts

hello. welcome back. i'm michelle dewberry till 7:00 alongside me. my panel remains the former tory mp and chairman, sir jake berry . and the sir jake berry. and the columnist and author ella whelan . columnist and author ella whelan. welcome back everybody, gavin says michelle is women and girls thing. please, don't label it the effect, it just plays right into what he wants . more in into what he wants. more in infamy, acas says michelle, i really hope that takes legal action on all of these people that are blaming it on him. graham says really? really. everyone's just going to take the easy way out of laying this

at the door of andrew tate. nobody seems to want to make the connection to the mass immigration that's coming into the country. i tried to make the connection, thank you very much. you can keep your thoughts coming in, but get this, remember that case of the just stop oil protesters? they were sentenced, wasn't there, to five years and four years will now more than 1200 artists, athletes , more than 1200 artists, athletes, celebrities, you name it, they've written this open letter to the attorney general. their demand, i quote an urgent meeting to discuss these sentences. they reckon it was inhumane. what do you think to this, jake? >> i think actions have consequences. michelle and i, all of these individuals, it wasn't their first attempt. it wasn't their first attempt. it wasn't their first attempt. it wasn't their second. it wasn't their third. wasn't their second. it wasn't theirthird. in wasn't their second. it wasn't their third. in fact, it was their third. in fact, it was their fourth offence. and they had been repeatedly warned that if they did this over and over again, they would have a custodial sentence. so it's not like they didn't they weren't warned. and also, let's look at the disruption that they caused. they're blockading of the m25 cost over £1.1 million in

policing, cost £700,000 to the economy. that's not even the worst bit of it. a patient who had an aggressive form of cancer missed his hospital diagnosis by two months because he couldn't get to his hospital appointments. people miss weddings, funerals , flights. weddings, funerals, flights. look, these people, they believe in what they say, that's fine. but if they're going to go beyond the law to disrupt our lives, actions has consequences. and the law applies to all of us equally. i think the sentences were right. >> you say that one of them just had a few previous convictions. actually, one of them had 11. the one that was sentenced to the highest about five years. he had 11 previous convictions, ella, your thoughts? >> i don't have any sympathy for just stop oil or extinction rebellion or their politics, but i think the sentencing was wrong. and that's because i care very deeply about the freedom of protest. and i think, jake, you've just given a good example of where the issues lie , you of where the issues lie, you know, you talked about disruption to people's lives. any effective protest must be

disruptive, otherwise there's no point in doing it. disruptive, otherwise there's no point in doing it . and, you point in doing it. and, you know, whether it's the farmers that paraded through westminster bringing all the traffic to a near standstill, the other day on an issue almost directly opposite to extinction rebellion or, you know, there were truckers who stopped parts of motorways in favour of article 50, invoking article 50 around the brexit issue . remember that the brexit issue. remember that way back then? there are lots of, various issues that could be hampered if crackdowns on protests are allowed to continue. you think we have to keep some space between the issue, which is these climate activists very arrogant. you know, very sort of extremist, talking about the world burning, the lighting on fire. i have no sympathy for them. not at all. i completely disagree with them. and the abstract idea of the freedom to protest. and if you look at the kind of legislation that's been brought in under the previous government, you know, crackdowns on what kind of protest can be allowed, what constitutes a noisy protest ,

constitutes a noisy protest, increased police powers for cracking down on protest. all of thatis cracking down on protest. all of that is bad news for those of us who might find ourselves in a situation, maybe under a labour government vehemently disagreeing with an immigration policy . or, you know, what policy. or, you know, what happens if a keir starmer , god happens if a keir starmer, god forbid, decides that he wants to go full rejoiner and tries to bnng go full rejoiner and tries to bring us back into the european union? i want to be able to go out on the streets with my fellow citizens and protest there without fear of being put in jail for five years, every single week, every single week. >> i mean, that's the thing is , >> i mean, that's the thing is, the first thing is they protest on national infrastructure and in the law. and this goes back a very long way. the government has drawn a line that if you disrupt airports, motorways, major pieces of national infrastructure, you have to be treated more harshly because that grinds the whole country to a halt. so they pick the, you know , the biggest bits of know, the biggest bits of national infrastructure to to, protest on. and they were doing it every single week. they want to walk on wimbledon and throw their their orange bits of paper out. it'sjust their their orange bits of paper out. it's just annoying. and the tennis gets delayed. that's not

quite the same as grinding the economy to a halt, making people miss hospital appointments, stopping people going to work on national infrastructure. >> i think that there's always a fine line and an intricate line to be drawn on a case by case bafis to be drawn on a case by case basis between what's protest and what's public nuisance, and just stop oil have continuously crossed that line, and i'm not suggesting that there should be no consequences. but i think the idea what happened within this case was there was a big sort of deal made out of the fact that they dared to disrupt. and i think that blurring of the line between what i've read, all of the sentencing remarks for these all of these people that were sentenced , it wasn't that they sentenced, it wasn't that they dared to disrupt. >> this was a collection of people who had backdrops or backdrops of multiple previous convictions up to 11. for the first guy, he was out on bail, essentially . well, in fact, they essentially. well, in fact, they were all out on bails. they breached injunctions. they showed no contrition whatsoever. they used their trial as a way of direct action process, direct action. they weren't sorry at all. and it wasn't just that they're disrupted. it's that they're disrupted. it's that they conspired to create

absolute complete gridlock. they wanted to bring the whole motorway system to a stop that would have that would have prevented law and order in this country. it would have prevented food supply in this country. there has to be limits. and actually, the maximum sentence that these guys could have got is ten years. they got five years. half of that they're going to serve in prison. the rest of it they will serve on licence. it is reflective as well of the fact that they want to take into consideration not just the harm that they caused, but the harm that they intended to cause . personally, if i could to cause. personally, if i could find that judge and shake his hand and pat his back, give him a high five, i would. we disagree. what do you think to it at home? we'll perhaps continue the conversation. but i also i know ella's passionate about this. to want to talk to you about the introduction of digital ids. good idea or slippery slope

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are back together. eamonn holmes and anne diamond only on gb. news >> hello there. i'm michelle dewberry with you . it's all dewberry with you. it's all seven ella whelan jake berry. remain alongside me. jake does made a good point. i've got to say in the break, talking about those just stop oil people, we live in a democracy. we feel so passionate about a cause. stand yourself up for election then. and try and affect change that way rather than being. i'm adding this last bit absolutely idiotic in some of your actions. anyway, look, let's talk about digital id this is a conversation that's got many of you talking at home, we have now this digital information and smart data bill and people the labour party is selling this as a good thing that people can start to have digital ids to make access to services more easily, more easier. keir says on twitter. we must resist digital id it's the first step for government control. they work for us and i do not comply to be controlled via via a digital id it's the first step, she says, to things, like

central bank, digital currencies and social credit system. where are you on it, ella? >> yeah, i'm very against this, to be honest, my rule of thumb is anything that tony blair was a big fan of, i am not a big fan of, and he has been behind the push for digital id for very long, or some form of sort of moving towards a papers please society for a long time. and let's be frank, digital zigi would turn us into a digital papers police society and it's just not in our nature in this country to be like that. and that's the first thing. but the second thing is, you know , second thing is, you know, labour party says this isn't going to be mandatory. they say you'd still be able to have paper access, blah, blah, blah. will they will that be an assurance in law? we have to wait to see, because just saying that it will be fine doesn't cut it. and the state is not benign. it's not to be trusted as sort of like a nice auntie looking over you. but if you look back to for example, when truancy was a big issue, in the, in the news and we were talking about kids skipping school, michael gove and previous government made a suggestion somewhere, what about

if you docked parents benefits whose kids were playing truant? yeah, which i think is a very, very bad idea. >> and a lot of people would agree with that. >> fine. but if you had a digital id , there would be no digital id, there would be no debate. the government could do it like that because they would have access to everything. and so it's a very dangerous suggestion for people who who, particularly on the lower end of the economic scale , who have the economic scale, who have something to lose from state intervention. so i'm completely against that is a no from ella whelan , whelan, >> jake, your thoughts? >> jake, your thoughts? >> i do not trust the government to have our data. we've already had a hack of your nhs records where health tests and the most personal information about you were leaked online by hackers. >> you literally where the government is. >> but i'm a freedom fighter. this is state control. that's why i opposed some of them. in fact, many of the later covid measures, i oppose those. this is state control. it is a creepy plan from tony blair to track you from cradle to grave. it is

part of a global agenda , part of a global agenda, effectively, to bring everyone under the same legal system on the planet. i completely oppose it. be very , very afraid of it. be very, very afraid of this. do not support it. do not sign up for the digital id. it is a bad idea. you will come to regret it. and this idea that they can put in law that it will be voluntary. of course they will do laws can and will be changed if this comes in. everyone will be forced to have it, >> viewer glenn says, michelle, we all must resist digital id he says it's a precursor to a cashless society. we will end up with medical records digitised and then a social credit system, which is all about total control, he says. anyone in favour of it should ask themselves do you want to become like china? he says the flip side of this is that john says, what's your everybody's issue, we have to show id when we go to vote. now. no one seems to be crying about that , tracy said. i crying about that, tracy said. i used to live. yeah, l.a. did, tracy said. i used to live in

malta for 12 years and had id cards there. there was no issue. it's a great idea . she says it it's a great idea. she says it would also help to find the thousands of missing migrants that have seemed to have disappeared. so she gets the cheers, she says. for that as well. many of you still getting in touch about the bibby stockholm, suggesting that homeless people would literally jump homeless people would literally jump at the chance to be housed on there, suggesting that as a potential future use. and i've got to say, there's not a huge amount of sympathy for the just stop oil brigade and their sentences there. some of you saying that they should have had much more, sentence. you're a harsh bunch. look, that's all i've got. time for la, jake. thank you for your company. thank you for your company. thank you for yours at home as well. i'll be back tomorrow. but up next, it's nigel. nanites >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on gb news >> evening. thanks forjoining me for your latest weather

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>>a >> a very, very good evening to you. and tonight on farage with me. martin daubney as the labour party revealed, they will give asylum to 70,000 migrants. and also for the bibby stockholm barge will be closed. the first boat sir keir starmer has managed to stop. i'm asking where will they all go? next up, benefit fraud is costing you, the british taxpayer , billions the british taxpayer, billions of pounds every single year is the government going to do anything to stop it ? first, anything to stop it? first, we'll get the latest on the us presidential race as it looks like kamala harris will face off against donald trump. but first, it's your news with polly middlehurst. >> martin, thank you and good

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