furious about what has gone down. so where are you on this issue? also, a massive amount of young people apparently tend to reform in the last election. what do you make to that? and you won't be spending a penny for long, because one and two pieces will not be minted in the coming years. is this a problem, or is it just a shape of things to come and call me a prude , to come and call me a prude, right? but i do not think that people need to be parading their tickle tackle on prime time television . a new programme has television. a new programme has been commissioned for fully naked dating on the television . naked dating on the television. i mean, what is happening when it comes to our moral compass in society? do we really need stuff like this on the box? your

thoughts? all of that and more. but first, the 6:00 news. >> michelle, thank you and good evening to you. well, the top story from the gb newsroom tonight. is that a police officer has been suspended from duty after video emerged online appearing to show someone being kicked after an altercation at manchester airport. greater manchester airport. greater manchester police say three of its officers were seriously injured when they attended to reports of an assault in the car park, which happened before the event. seen in the video, a female police officer suffered a broken nose in that altercation. since then, a solicitor representing two of the men involved say they're family members of a greater manchester police officer. four men were arrested on suspicion of assault and affray, and the police watchdog is now investigating. meanwhile, a man has been

charged with attempted murder after the stabbing of a uniformed army officer in kent, 24 year old anthony esson has been remanded in custody after appearing in court today. he was arrested near his home in rochester just 30 minutes arrested near his home in rochesterjust 30 minutes after rochester just 30 minutes after the violent attack. he's also been charged with possession of an offensive weapon in a public place. he'll be back in court next month . it's after next month. it's after lieutenant colonel mark teetan, who's in his 40s, was stabbed near brompton barracks in gillingham on tuesday evening. he remains in hospital in a serious but stable condition . serious but stable condition. the former immigration minister, robert jenrick, says he's going to stand for the leadership of the conservative party, promising to win back voters who switched over to reform uk. he's the third conservative to throw his hat into the ring, after james cleverly and tom tugendhat. mr cleverly says he's best placed to unite the party after a crushing election defeat for the conservatives. but tom tugendhat says the conservatives

have lost trust after failing to deliver on lower taxes and lower immigration. the prime minister said today offshore wind will soon power 20 million british homes as he launched the new state owned gb energy company . state owned gb energy company. speaking during a visit to an engineering plant in the north west of england, sir keir starmer said the firm's partnership with the crown estate would help turbocharge britain's transition to clean energy. >> now there is a massive prize within our reach and make no mistake, the race is on to get there until now, i feel like we've been sort of tying up our laces in the changing room. no more . i don't just want to be in more. i don't just want to be in the race for clean energy. i want to us win the race for clean energy. and why not? we have got the potential. we have got the ports. we have got the people, the skills. and now we have got a mission driven

government . government. >> prime minister, now the nhs is urging blood donors to come forward amid an urgent shortage of certain blood types. the health service has issued. in fact, an amber alert now , after fact, an amber alert now, after national stocks of zero sorry ordinary negative and ordinary positive blood types fell to unprecedented low levels. it's understood that the recent cyber attacks affecting london hospitals and more people missing appointments has contributed to the shortage . contributed to the shortage. hospitals are being asked to restrict transfusions of o hospitals are being asked to restrict transfusions of 0 blood type to essential cases only now to just stop oil . activists have to just stop oil. activists have been found guilty of criminal damage after throwing tin soup over vincent van goghs sunflowers painting back in 2022, anna holland and phoebe plummer, who are both 22, damaged the painting, which is on display at london's national gallery. they threw tins of soup over the 1888 artwork, which is incidentally protected by a thin layer of glass, before kneeling

down in front of it and gluing their hands to the wall. the 40 year old man has become the first person to be charged under new xl bully dog laws. ashley warren was charged over the death of esther martin, who was killed by two xl bully dogs in essex in february. it's the first case of its kind since new laws on owning xl bully dogs came into force. this year, and entertainment to news end on the first trailer for a new film about one of the world's most influential musicians has just dropped. take a listen. >> we got a feeling we were getting a glimpse of the future . getting a glimpse of the future. where have you been? >> my blue eyed son? >> my blue eyed son? >> and in case you hadn't guessed it, the film tells the story of bob dylan. he's played by timothee chalamet , starting by timothee chalamet, starting with his arrival in new york and going right through to the early 1960s, the actor consulted his

friend austin butler, who recently played elvis presley, for advice on transforming himself for the role, which features all his own singing . features all his own singing. it's called a complete unknown. it's called a complete unknown. it's expected to hit cinemas later this year, and those are the latest gb news headlines. for now, i'm polly middlehurst. i'm back in an hour. see you then. >> for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code, or go to gbnews.com. forward slash alerts . gbnews.com. forward slash alerts. >> thank you very much for that , >> thank you very much for that, polly. i always smile when i watch some of those headlines. you know, if i was in charge of this country, those just stop oil people, they'd still be attached to that wall. now, if you want to go around gluing yourself to different things, leave them there. that's what i say. anyway. look, i'm with you till 7:00 tonight alongside me, my panel. i've got the former editor of the sun, kelvin mackenzie, and the education

consultant, tom buick. good evening. welcome back to both of you. i always say that with a bit of a fingers crossed when it comes to you, because i think what's going to come out of his mouth tonight, what's. what are we in for tonight? everyone, there's a lot i want to discuss with you at home this evening. you know the drill. you can get in touch with us all. the usual. where's gbnews.com/yoursay is how you can reach us on the website gb views @gbnews. com. if email is more your thing or of course you can tweet or text me @gbnews wherever you are, don't forget as well. i forget to always mention this. you can listen to us on the radio so if you're desperate to go out, why not take me with you? but wherever you are, you're very welcome tonight. but look, let's get stuck straight into the top story. we touched upon this yesterday, that video that went viral of the police officer and the altercation over at manchester airport, now i've got to say greater manchester police have confirmed now that an officer has been removed from all duties following a thorough review of further information , review of further information, look, that's the kind of video

that's on the screen right now. by that's on the screen right now. by now, most of you, i am sure, will have seen it. but let me cross live to our homeland security editor, mark white. mark, good evening to you. thanks for joining mark, good evening to you. thanks forjoining us. bring our viewers up to speed with the latest on this situation . latest on this situation. >> well, that video that you've been showing, of course, viral video, it really shows the, the full extent of the altercation that was going on here. that is at the very end of what was, according to the police , a very according to the police, a very violent incident in which three police officers were injured and required hospital treatment, including a female officer who was smashed in the face and suffered a broken nose. and the point of the video when it shot and posted on social media is the point where those backup officers arrive to help their colleagues who have been assaulted. and yes, of course ,

assaulted. and yes, of course, it is violent in nature. that is, officers pushing forward to deal with the perceived threat. and really it's all about proportionality . here and really it's all about proportionality. here is and really it's all about proportionality . here is the proportionality. here is the officer who kicked that man in the head that's lying down there. did he overstep the mark? was it proportionate to the threat that existed, or indeed the threat that this officer perceived? well, in terms of what the officers arriving on the scene perceived they were heanng the scene perceived they were hearing reports, distress calls from their assistants, from their colleagues , calling for their colleagues, calling for assistance, their colleagues will have been on what they call open talkback. you push a panic button, and that opens your microphone. so that everybody can hear you for a period of time. they'll have heard their officers screaming, being attacked , requiring assistance. attacked, requiring assistance. they're on scene. they know that these are armed colleagues. they don't know who's been attacking them, just what the potential threat is that's there, only

that they're officers and colleagues are being attacked . colleagues are being attacked. they try to take control of the situation, which, yes, is violent . but that's what the violent. but that's what the police do when they're in a situation of trying to take control, to bring people to the ground, to ensure that they're handcuffed and pose no further threat, it will be up to an independent investigation looking at all the body worn video, not just that very end sequence of a minute or so of material that someone has chosen to release, that doesn't show what happened in the minutes before . then, when those before. then, when those officers were being assaulted . officers were being assaulted. but those body worn video cameras from the officers that were assaulted for the officers that attended to help their colleagues . cctv eyewitness colleagues. cctv eyewitness interviews as well that it will form a fuller picture to assess whether this officer was in the wrong or not.

>> and what about the guys then? because there were people that were, taken to the police station, there were protests overnight at the police station. what's happened with those people ? people? >> well, four people were arrested and arrested for a free and also for assault on emergency service workers. that is related to the what police say were attacks on those three police officers who required hospital treatment. at least two of them have subsequently been released. we've heard statements from lawyers suggesting that one has had a scan, which has revealed a cyst on the brain. but no further confirmation than that. but no further confirmation than that . just that word from those that. just that word from those lawyers. and yes, you're right, michelle, there was a protest at rochdale police station last night. there are those in that community up in rochdale who are calling for further protests this evening. it is the hope

that they will remain peaceful. but it is of concern to policing management that having just seen what happened in leeds, just over a week ago, that, you know, there is the potential for disorder and the hope that it just remains peaceful. >> just correct me if i'm wrong before i let you go and some of these people that were congregating outside of that, police station, weren't they, like, demanding the release of these people essentially, or else? or am i misinterpreting that ? that? >> they had all kinds of demands and all kinds of accusations about racist policing and police brutality . these people have brutality. these people have been released because they've effectively been interviewed and questioned. at some point, they may be charged and facing prosecution. that is part of the normal process, not the police giving in to the demands of the

mob. >> interesting mark white, thank you very much for that . kelvin you very much for that. kelvin mackenzie, what do you make to it all, >> well, i, i feel sorry very much sorry for the lady who ended up with the police officer. the woman police officer. the woman police officer who ended up with a broken nose. i when people are charged, when people are arrested for affray, that is a very serious charge involving violence. organised violence. so in relation to the police officer, the thing i'm most objected to was an interview i heard on the bbc at, 1:00 ish today, in which an ex, superintendent who hadn't been in the force, met superintendent who hadn't been in the force since 2013, was using the r word, the race describing this as racism. right. this was a mass brawl and had to be brought

to an end in some way. the and the idea that the police are going around kicking everybody in every time that there's an issue involving police and the pubucis issue involving police and the public is absolutely wrong. this is manchester airport. they knew that they were being surrounded by cameras and they still felt under threat . these people, one under threat. these people, one of the points that i've seen made is that these are armed police officers, the kind of , in police officers, the kind of, in which if i presume that these people had got off the floor and wanted to, they could take the gun off the police and use it in a use it against them. i am not in favour of anybody being kicked while lying on the floor. i think you have to understand. i think you have to understand. i listened to burnham today. right? even burnham, a former labour shadow home secretary, was saying you've i'm not joining in on this politically because you've got to see the full picture. and if you listen to your reporter there, that was his point as well. this was organised violence and had to be curtailed. i'm not in favour of the kicking, but i'm taking the

burnham position, which is, nor should we politicise it and be hostile to the police. he is the mayor of greater manchester and if he doesn't want to get involved and he's he's a labour supporter, then i don't think that the very interestingly that nobody mentions the religion of these people, i don't think the people from rochdale should get involved either. >> yeah. i mean, i've got to say, i don't know anything about the religion of these people, but go on. >> it's a mark of the times, isn't it? all this is over social media. so, you know, there'll be armchair pundits, i suspect, watching this. and throughout the country who will draw their own conclusions from what, as mark white seemed to be suggesting there in any case, was very limited coverage of this so—called altercation. i do think what's really important, michel , is think what's really important, michel, is the think what's really important, michel , is the fact that michel, is the fact that catherine bates of the independent office for police conduct has come out and said that there will be a thorough , that there will be a thorough, independent investigation. i think what's worrying , frankly, think what's worrying, frankly, is it took a 24 hours to come out and say that because, you know, looking at the limited

footage, certainly what i've seen , i think the word mark seen, i think the word mark white used was absolutely the correct one. proportionality there does appear to have been excessive violence that was used and that surely in any workplace setting would have been prima facie evidence to suspend somebody from their duties, not necessarily. you know, that's not to say that they're guilty . not to say that they're guilty. everybody's innocent until proven guilty in any kind of situation like this, but i think there's some questions, frankly, for the iopc in this and just finally, on your point about burnham, who is absolutely right to say, you know, people shouldn't politicise this. the thing that just concerns me and i'm not going to relate this now to the incident, but we've talked about it as many times on this show, michel, with with kelvin and other panellists. is this whole issue now about two tier policing and there are several police forces across the country who've been accused of this. and what tends to happen, you know, whether it's a saint george's day parade and it's

essentially white people that are being baton charged or it's at manchester airport and people who are of british asian origin who are of british asian origin who appear to be of the muslim religion. we always get this pile on on social media that says, oh, that's institutional racism. oh, that's two tier policing. i do think we need a more sensible and grown up debate about this. >> yeah. i mean, one of the things that because i'm not comfortable with people being stamped on heads and kicked in faces, that's just for me. it's just something that it's just not for me. i don't really think should be happening in society. but anyway, take that to one side. i do find it a little bit, concerning. i think that's the word i'll choose. you've got a protest taking place as we speak. actually, it started at 6:00, and we'll be keeping eyes on this kind of stuff. don't worry, this was by a group called manchester stand up to racism. they're saying that they've got this protest. stop racist police. and we won't stay quiet against racist police violence that's taking place. apparently it started at 6:00. and i'm just asking a simple

question. i've asked these people. obviously, i've got no answer. what evidence have you actually got that this was motivated by racism? because this group, for example, i mean, there's many people on board this, but this particular group saying is, you know, is what we witnessed in manchester airport, was that greater manchester police attempting a george floyd , police attempting a george floyd, george floyd like, killing? i mean, come on now, i just find it's all getting a little bit. and these protests outside of police stations where you've got community mobs dictating, you better let these people go, or else i have got a bit of an issue with that. it's the same that we saw in harehills in leeds, when agencies had concerns about children. apparently enough concerns to remove the children. you see people setting fire to buses, setting to fire fridges. all of a sudden those children are back in that family and it's like, well, hang on, you've either got a concern for those children's well—being or you don't. and if you do, as that concerns only

abated because a load of grown up men set fire to buses, and i just get a little bit worried that we might be teetering on the edge of mob rule in this country. so i have asked many people that question, if you're going around stating that this is racism, then please do tell me what evidence that you have got that the people that was involved in this acted, and that they were motivated by racism. the other thing, the other question mark that i've got in all of this before i move on, where's all of the other footage? because so many people keep sharing the footage at the point where the police have waded in. but i listened to one of the voice notes from someone that apparently, was there was an eyewitness. that's what people are sharing, he says. and i quote, whilst describing the situation, something went on, so on and so forth, and then a load of brothers started punching the officers. so all of this footage going around, why isn't the footage that of the instigation of all of this? where is all of that? if i was great at manchester police, i could tell you now i'd be doing everything possible to get that footage out

there. it's all a mess, isn't it? what do you think to it at home? get in touch. all the usual ways. lots more. i want to talk to you about after the break, so i shall see you in two. but let me ask you, reform uk. so many young people voted for them. why do you that is? your thoughts

yeah. hi there. i'm michelle dewberry with you till 7:00. the former editor of the sun, kelvin mackenzie. and the education consultant tom buick are alongside me. john says michelle on this manchester thing. please, can we rush before we rush to judgement? can we just wait and see what happened. and wait and see what happened. and wait for the investigations to take their time to figure it all out, ian says it got to be honest, i do think the police might have overstepped the mark on this one, but it is how police would react in most european countries, airports, matt says he feels concerned

that the mob are now dictating to the police, all of this demanding, etc. of officers to be suspended and so on, and so forth. lots of people saying, where is the footage of the officers apparently getting assaulted as well, the iopc, they have, issued a statement. let me see if i can open that up. it's really long, the gist of it is basically, they understand the widespread shock regarding it all. they're grateful to those people that have been in touch, they are now. they've also received a referral from greater manchester police , and greater manchester police, and they've met with members of the first man's family, they'll keep everybody updated. and they've also secured a significant amount of body worn video and cctv footage, which will be subject to detailed analysis. so there you go. look, let's talk there you go. look, let's talk the election, shall we? because so many young people, it seems, are voted for reform uk more

actually than voted for the tory party. according to nigel farage. he says something big is happening among gen z voters. you're a couple of years out of being a gen z voter , kelvin being a gen z voter, kelvin mackenzie, age wise. yeah, but what do you think ? this tells me what do you think? this tells me the best, though. yeah. you've got a good moisturiser. what do you think? this tells us about the votes of the young. >> well, i think first thing it tells you that farage was clever in that he spent much of his marketing money on tiktok, and anybody who knows the tiktok generation, as i do in my own household, right, i know them. i'm not part of them , as you i'm not part of them, as you kindly point out. right knows that they get everything. i mean everything of tiktok. and if it's not on tiktok, it hasn't happened.soif it's not on tiktok, it hasn't happened. so if an h—bomb goes off in north korea, they will have no idea about that unless unless tiktok carry it. so they were clever about that. i wouldn't be too buoyed up . i'd

wouldn't be too buoyed up. i'd be pleased if i were farage, but i wouldn't too be buoyed up. after all, the conservatives were unavoidable for right, even by conservatives and the figure that you haven't mentioned there was that the youngsters, the 18 to 30s, was that the youngsters, the 18 to 305, 18% was that the youngsters, the 18 to 30s, 18% of them voted green and that to me was the biggest. i mean, if somebody had said to you before the election that the greens were going to get damn near 20%, you would have said, that's out of the question. so if i'm green, i'm massively buoyed up. i'm pleased if i'm reform. but actually, that election didn't really prove anything except how disliked the conservative party were. tom. >> that's the point, isn't it? i think it's classic grievance politics, and it's not particularly new. i mean, when i was growing up in the 80s, we had thatcher. we had a lot of youth unemployment. i was certainly not going to vote for the thatcher government. and it's why, you know, i joined at the time, the labour party, which wasn't in office, had been out of office for a long time. i've got the same, you know, i've got the same, you know, i've got the same, you know, i've got gen zers in my family.

i've got gen zers in my family. ishant i've got gen zers in my family. i shan't out anybody on, on, on air in terms of how they might have voted. but shall we just say, you know, in parts of my family, nigel farage, you know, he's , he's a hero in terms of he's, he's a hero in terms of the language that he speaks about some of the problems that this country faces. and that's why i say about in some ways, this is not new, you know, anti—establishment parties or the anti—establishment point of view is always attractive to young people. it's certainly attractive to me . but perhaps attractive to me. but perhaps more importantly, you know, look at how powerful that grievance narrative is. i mean, if you're young now, if you're below the age of 30, you're very unlikely to get on the housing ladder. so the dream of home ownership is gone. you know, when i was growing up, i was the first in my family. you come back in a minute, kelvin. i was the first in my family to go. >> tom. >> tom. >> there you go. i know i've i've learned from bitter experience. michel. but i was the first in my family to go to university. now, that worked out extremely well because it was the dream of get a good education and you'll get a good,

well—paid job. that bargain, that opportunity bargain is now gonein that opportunity bargain is now gone in our society. so i'm not surprised, gen z, you know, are looking at that narrative and saying, why would on earth would i for vote parties that have been a part of creating that narrative over the last 20 or 30 years? >> well, on the question of the home ownership aspect, of course, everybody has the ability to buy a home, has not does not exist in the same way as it did for 18 to 30. why? because your life changes. don't start until you're 30 odd women and men are getting married at that time, and then when they get to 30 a couple of years and then they have thinking of having children or whatever, and then they're buying. and so the biggest percentage jump in home ownership, right, in history now belongs to the 35 to 45. and thatis belongs to the 35 to 45. and that is what's happening . people that is what's happening. people are renting homes for longer and they're settling down later in their life. and they're having children much later in their lives. >> i just don't buy all of that

analysis. i'll tell you why i tell. >> well, just look at the stats, tom. it'd be much easier to talk about the economy. >> this is something i have looked at the stats on. and whilst, you know, i'll give you something on the demographics, people are generally which is a problem by the way, for this country, people are settling down much later than they were. >> take michelle, she's an example. yeah, but let's be settled down at 50. >> thank you. now, now stroke. now he's a throwing a curveball to try and to try and put me off. >> i was wondering i am still 21. thank you. carry on. but talking of the stats, let's go back to the time when you were the famous editor of that red top sun. >> very famous in the 1980s. it took, on average, a couple saving for a home, three bedroom, two bedroom home about 19 months in terms of their average earnings. if they were both saving for a deposit to get on the housing ladder, it didn't matter whether they were in their early 20s or in their early 30s. it took about 19 months to do that. now, it's certainly in parts of london, the same couple on average earnings, it would take 20 odd years. >> they shouldn't try and live in london. >> so it's ridiculous. i'm not i

mean i'm using london as in london. >> i can't afford to live anywhere in the gbs money. >> but the point is two years saving for a deposit. calvin your generation, you did well out of that and 20 years today. that's why people can't fulfil that dream. as i say, of home ownership, it's gone . ownership, it's gone. >> the parents are all chipping in, which never happened in my bank of mum and dad, if you've got it. >> yeah, yeah. >> yeah, yeah. >> but i mean you haven't got a mum and dad then don't feel sorry for you. >> yeah, but a lot of people have got a mum and dad but their mum and dad don't have any money. >> yeah they do have, they do have money. yes. they're being very generous. and actually most of the home ownership is now being funded in terms of deposits by, by the mum and dad and, and many of the people watching tonight will actually have done exactly that. and, and everybody and i'm not talking about the wealthy, i'm talking about the wealthy, i'm talking about people whose house prices have gone up. and then they've remortgaged slightly in order to give 20 grand, ten grand or whatever. you know, i'd like to see i think if you can afford to pay see i think if you can afford to pay rent and you've got a good credit record, i think a lot of agencies now report people's

rent to the credit reference agencies. >> i think if you can afford to rent and rents are very high now, you should be able to get 100% mortgage from the bank. and i think the government should underwrite the 5% or the 10% deposit as long as you can afford to pay the rent, you should be able to afford to buy a house. >> okay, so the germans have always taken this view and they have. they used to view britain's the british as mad for begganng britain's the british as mad for beggaring themselves, literally for 20 years in order to pay, whereas they, they allowed their, their spare money because their, their spare money because their rents weren't as high to actually to actually go out and enjoy themselves. they used to laugh at us. >> have you forgotten what actually happened in the financial crash? i mean, you're you're saying you're advocating for people to borrow 100% of asset value, what happens when things go wrong? and then you've got these kids in this situation where they've literally got nothing in their asset other than literally 100% debt. >> but the issue about 2008 crash was the subprime mortgage deals. in other words, people

were getting up to their neck in assets that weren't worth, you know, anything like what they the bank thought they did. this is why i make the connection here, michel, to if you can afford to pay the rent, maybe you've been paying the rent for one, two, three years. you've got a good credit record. you're in work. right? so it's the same mortgage test that anybody would go. because i put this to you. frankly, paying a mortgage for most people, the banks, the landlord. i mean, if you stop paying landlord. i mean, if you stop paying the mortgage, the bank will come in and repossess the home. likewise, if you're paying the rent and you stop paying, you'll get a section 21 notice and you'll be out within eight years. >> there's no section 21. so the government's changing. >> yeah, they're trying to get rid of section, but you'll be you'll be evicted, right? >> you're right. but first of all, banks are trying very hard not to kick anybody out because once they put that debt on their, on their, on their balance sheet, then that looks bad for them. and the truth about the matter is the great thing about the home, although i accept that the bank is the landlord is that you close the door and you don't have to worry

about about your, about whether the landlord is out, kids going to school out. exactly. i am massively, massively in favour and everybody is massively in favour of owning your own home. it turns out to be a very secure investment. even if you. even if you only look at it like i'm going to do 20 years and at the end of it, it hasn't gone up at all. but at the end of it, that is 20 years of saving, which i would not make if i were kept a roof over your head. >> and if you downsize, it's part of your pension pot when you get older. but just coming back to reform because that's what this. yeah, but let me just make one more point on housing. >> you talk about tiktok and stuff. one of the things that i'm seeing happening a lot are people on tiktok, a social media youngish sukh would regard themselves as influencers that are leading people down this path of there's huge contractors at the moment, the likes of serco and people like that, these companies are rocking up to a variety of different towns and cities. they're putting events on, and they're essentially saying to people, you know, landlords in this, city, in this town, we will give you a contract. and it is incredibly attractive

financially . we will give you financially. we will give you these rental contracts where the landlord is, us, the likes of serco, they'll place asylum seekers in these properties. they will guarantee rents . they they will guarantee rents. they will take care of the maintenance. they're paying very decent rents. you've got no void penods decent rents. you've got no void periods and people are going for it. a lot of people are creating hmos, houses of multiple occupancy, so they're taking a terraced house that was designed for a family or whatever. they're shoving it full of these adults . and i understand why adults. and i understand why people are doing it because they're motivated by financial greed for themselves. but nobody is pressing pause, thinking about the effect of what they're doing on those local communities, because i bet my bottom dollar those people on tiktok, they're not doing it in their streets. oh no, they'll be sticking them up and off in some random town in hull. yeah, in places like hull. so i think that needs a lot more attention and focus because it removes houses away and off the market from locals that would want to buy them. it's putting huge strains on the local amenities because you're now shoving multiple people in these houses that were never designed for

that were never designed for that at all. so i think that is not getting explored enough at all. and i would say this is this is one of the problems about mass, mass, mass migration, isn't it? >> we are seeing it and it is when we segue to that kelvin. no, no, but it's a point made by michelle. it is an issue that you're living in. you're living in a quite poor northern town where properties are very cheap, and therefore the conversion price is very cheap. you're paying price is very cheap. you're paying £90,000 for a house, you're spending 30 grand on doing it up, and unbelievably, you're getting a return of 12 or 15%. so you can't blame people for doing it. so the only way to stop all this is actually turn the boats back in some form or another, which is the reason why reform are doing so well at the moment, because nobody else i see that too can happen now. the tories now are saying, oh right, we're heading towards you. right? but they want echr people for that. >> i think you can blame people for that. i'm a businesswoman. i'm motivated by profit. i'm not going to lie. but i would never get into one of those situations because i think that morally it is wrong to be transforming these communities in that way. i

think it's absolutely wrong. and i think anyone that's doing it, you know, great. you might think you're the big i am on your tiktoks, flashing your cars or whatever, but you should actually be looking inwards and asking yourself, are you having asking yourself, are you having a positive effect on communities? because i would put to you that absolutely, absolutely. no, you are not. look, there's lots more i want to talk to you about after the break. i want to talk about cash. ones and twos. we're not going to be minting any new ones. is that an issue? start of cashless society, perhaps, or not? and also, what's going on with our morals in this country and dating site? now naked dating on television. i mean, come on now, i'll see you in two. >> calvin and i

>> michelle dewberry. kelvin mackenzie and tom bewick remain alongside me. look, all we've spent our entire break talking aboutis spent our entire break talking about is the topic. after this one. so i'm going to get through this one as quick as we can,

because there's a lot of excitement, among these men alongside me, to get to that final topic about nakedness on television, but before we get there, hold your horses . contain there, hold your horses. contain your excitement, gents, because i want to talk to you about pennies. the treasury, has apparently said that no new coin orders will be placed this time. and this is for the first time, so we're not going to be minting any more one and two pences. they're not going to be out of circulation, but not just not going to be creating any more. are you concerned about this, tom? does it matter? >> i am concerned about it, but i'm sort of conflicted on it. and the reason why, i mean, i think back to actually when i was a councillor to say in a part of the country, i shall name it hove, which has got quite a few, old age. it's very posh in case you're posh, but it's also got, you know, a lot of people calvin's age knocking around, causing causing trouble. >> ageism alert. >> ageism alert. >> yeah, indeed, but, you know, my mail bag used to be full of complaints from senior citizens about the parking machines that the council had put in, which were are the qr codes, or you

had to use your debit card . had to use your debit card. bingo. and, you know, you just want to park for an hour. it's a pound an hour, you've got a pound an hour, you've got a poundin pound an hour, you've got a pound in your pocket. it's not it's not exactly very convenient. so for that reason, i don't think we should go to a cashless society. that said , i cashless society. that said, i was just checking the figures earlier, £21 billion a year in this country is lost, according to hmrc, to the exchequer, because of the cash in hand economy. so i look at the other side of the ledger and i think £21 billion that would pay for early years breakfast clubs, further education, colleges and apprenticeships that budget every single year. so i think there is a trade off here between the cashless society and the digital divide. we don't want to be pitting the digital nafives want to be pitting the digital natives against the non—digital natives, against the fact that if we could capture more tax, you know, legitimate tax to fund pubuc you know, legitimate tax to fund public services, i'm sure we'd all agree we could do without right now. >> i mentioned those car parking machines, by the way. i saw one

of the scams. they were putting these stickers, qr code stickers over the stickers on the car park thing. so people were taking out their phones, yeah. and they were going to, you know , and they were going to, you know, scan this to pay their parking. and they were being scammed. it's awful. awful. why are you laughing? it's not funny cos it's happened to him several times already. >> no, it was my qr code. i've made a fortune . no, i think on made a fortune. no, i think on the. i think it's the cash aspect is a complete racket . in aspect is a complete racket. in my, in my town there is a chinese fish and chip shop. very nice guy. i go in there , after nice guy. i go in there, after some time away and i say, i like whatever i want. and he and he says, and i haven't got any cash.i says, and i haven't got any cash. i said, will you take the card? he said, oh, no. he said, card? he said, oh, no. he said, card will never catch on. right? he made me go across the road. right. literally take money out of the bank in the wall and go back and pay him . ridiculous back and pay him. ridiculous idea. there is only one reason. let's face it, why people are taking cash. okay? they are taking cash. okay? they are taking cash. okay? they are taking cash to avoid hmrc, right? why don't we? how do you

know? >> you tell me that every single person who's doing that is doing it. >> it can't be traced, can it? and therefore, if it can't be traced, you can't. it can't be. nobody can know about it. so i take tom's point about that. i didn't know about the 21 billion a good idea, but i'm also irritated. so, for instance, my local barber, as you can see, he won't get you're keeping him in business. >> yeah, he won't get regular. >> yeah, he won't get regular. >> it's cash only in there, right? this is a high street turkish barber. very good people. i'm sure. right. but you have to pay cash, right ? i don't have to pay cash, right? i don't like carrying cash. i in fact, i don't carry cash. what's the point of having a card? why can't i just do that? there's one very i. i say there is 1 in 1 reason why people are taking cash. and i think there should be a law which says you can offer cash or card. >> i think there should be a law that says you can't decline cash.i that says you can't decline cash. i think if somebody wants to pay with the with the legal tender of this country , i.e. tender of this country, i.e. coins, you know, paper notes , i coins, you know, paper notes, i think it should be illegal to decline to take cash payments in society.

>> card. >> card. >> yeah, but that's what i'm saying. yeah. you can have the opfion saying. yeah. you can have the option of card, no problem. but you get a lot of businesses that say card only. i think that that should be illegal. look, okay then let's do it. i think i'm going to regret choosing this topic because the excitement levels the blood pressure in the studio. i might finish them off. i might come back after the break. there might not be there. you might never see these two again. because after the break, i. oh god, that didn't sound right, did it? i definitely don't want to finish them off after the break. i want to talk to you about nakedness, on television, i personally think we've got too much of it now. we've got a tv show, naked dating on television. what's wrong with you all? let's talk about it

hello there. i'm michelle dewberry. this is dewbs& co, alongside me. kelvin mackenzie and tom buick remain. right. let's get stuck into this final topic then, shall we? i'm

pondenng topic then, shall we? i'm pondering today whether we, as a society are just completely devoid of morals these days because there seems to be so much stuff on television, which i would regard as really quite inappropriate. and i do confess i'm perhaps being a bit prudish, but, some of the stuff that seems to be getting commissioned, it seems to be getting lower and lower, like more low rent as kind of years and months progress. there's one now that's been commissioned, a show called dating naked. now these contestants will live together in a villa completely naked. nothing. not a stitch on them. so not for the faint hearted. all to try and get £50,000 now. i mean each to their own and all that. if that's what you want to do in your spare time. but is this the kind of thing we need on television? kelvin mackenzie well, this this show is going out on a failing streaming. >> platform called paramount. currently and they've got rylan, involved in it. and imagine they had to pay him a lot of money, i

think. i think the home is in colombia and he flies in occasionally and gives his views about everything. i personally don't think it'll be successful. now. channel 4 had a quite a surprising success with naked attraction right , and surprising success with naked attraction right, and i saw tom on there and he did. he didn't do it very well for obvious reasons. but, and so i accept your view of it and i find it bizarre that they that they , bizarre that they that they, that they're prepared to invest all this money in it, but the truth about the matter is there are no barriers. now right. and on that basis, after all, pornography is everywhere. and but i think that's one of the reasons that society is declining in so many ways. >> i think that it's awful that young people can quickly and easily access like awful , easily access like awful, disgusting, so untold pornographic imagery. i think that's wrong. and i think that's

at the heart of a lot of issues in society. you mentioned, the shows that commissioned. i remember there was one show, and it was apparently to educate , it was apparently to educate, children about puberty and sexual development. it was a load of naked adults standing in front of children. and i think, what's this? doesn't this ring alarm bells ? why is a why is an alarm bells? why is a why is an adult? do you want to be naked in front of a child? that's not your own point . one why, as an your own point. one why, as an adult, would you want your child to be naked in front of an adult that's not you? and then point three why is the entire thing on television ? i there's something television? i there's something not right about it all to me. tom, your thoughts? >> well, this is where i start to feel, very old. not quite as old as calvin. that's my second ageist, crack. >> he's going to be suing gb news. >> i know he will be, but no, i mean, i mean, it's a long way, isn't it? from the days when it was a novelty. if somebody naked turned up in the art block and a student, you know, you go down to the art block to see, a few, a few love handles, not love

island, but, you know, a love handle or two. i don't feel very qualified to even be talking about this subject in the sense that i've got a body, a body mass index of a pork scratching. so, you know. yeah. because you showed that promo photo there, and there were no dad bods in there. there was, i mean, it's very much perfection, isn't it? in terms of the body types. so i'm not sure we want these kind of shows, as you say, on terrestrial television or on the mainstream platforms, because, you know, they don't exactly portray real life, do they? >> but then i think as well, when you watch movies, the amount of sexual contact content and stuff like that, i don't understand why it's necessary. surely two people can go into a room and close the door, and then you can leave the rest of your imagination. why do you need to be showing, really increasingly graphic content? i remember for my sins, watching again a grown man. and i can't believe i'm about to say this sentence. and i do apologise because it is. i found it a little bit inappropriate. it was

playing a piano with his penis, >> actually, we're not past the watershed yet, guys, so let's. >> he was. >> he was. >> i know this was on. what was that on? i didn't use any swear words. so i won't be in trouble with any watersheds. what was it on? what do you want me to do? send you the recording of it? no, no. >> but when was it? recently >> but when was it? recently >> it wasn't that long ago. i feel like you can all google it if you're interested, but i just think it's so inappropriate, and i think what is going on in commissioning standards where we seem to have normalised, what i would call quite private , would call quite private, intimate things, isn't the reality of television now. >> it's split up into so many things that your children are not watching what you're watching right ? you've got an 18 watching right? you've got an 18 year old. i think he would definitely not be watching. what? what you and your missus are watching . and therefore it's are watching. and therefore it's up to them if they want to watch a totally naked, collection of people inside a villa, what? i'm surprised about is paramount is an american company. and they

are enormously prudish about stuff on the networks. but now that we've got streaming and they and they therefore they think they can probably chance their arm a bit more, they're desperate to get audience. and these streamers are in a lot of trouble. so this could be i'm not saying it's the last throw of the dice, but it's a gamble. what? >> it's interesting, the show was canned in america after three series, so maybe on your point, michelle. >> annie, there isn't a for market it. annie, just be in touch on the website saying, why are you talking about naked dating when you should be talking about the goings on in manchester airport? annie my friend, we literally started the program talking about that manchester arena situation, who's this has got in touch , who's this has got in touch, duncan says. michelle talking about cashless society. if we had a cashless society, that would make crime totally impossible. i mean , i couldn't impossible. i mean, i couldn't disagree with you more if i tried. there duncan, look at how much digital fraud happens on a probably hourly basis in this

society. i would argue, actually, that you're more susceptible to being defrauded when you're doing things electronically, but all opinions are welcome, nicholas says. get rid of the one and £0.02 coins. what we should have now is £5 coins and even perhaps a £10, coin. the naked debt in has left you all very divided. i can tell you. i'll leave you two to google it in your pleasure, that is all we've got time for. thanks gents. thanks to each and each and every one of you at home. and i'll see you tomorrow night . night. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar, sponsors of weather on gb news. >> good evening. this is your latest gb news weather forecast coming to you from the met office. there's likely to be something a bit drier and warmer early next week, but before then, plenty of showers and actually through the end of today there is still some more persistent rain affecting some parts of the southeast due to a

waving frontal system that's already brought quite a bit of rain. that rain in the far southeast should clear through as we go through the next few hours, though, and so for many it is going to be a largely dry night, just a scattering of showers continuing across western parts of scotland in particular. also parts of northern ireland and northwest england. many places, though having some clear skies and it may be a touch fresher than last night towards the northwest. still quite warm and muggy towards the southeast . and as we towards the southeast. and as we go through tomorrow morning, then a bright start for many, maybe the odd pocket of mist and fog around, but i think on the whole it's largely dry. a few showers already pushing into parts of western england and wales, but further east a drier story. a few showers also for western parts of northern ireland, but it's down the western side of scotland, where the showers are going to be most frequent and there could already be some heavy ones. as we go through the morning eastern parts of scotland clinging on to some fine sunny weather through a large chunk of the morning. but as we head towards the afternoon, those showers are going to become a bit more

widespread. some of them could be on the heavy side, and there could be the odd rumble of thunder mixed in, albeit they don't look as intense as the showers that we saw yesterday. plenty of showers for northern ireland. parts of western england and wales may see a few showers staying dry towards the east and a decent amount of sunshine. and with that feeling pretty warm again. temperatures in the mid 20s for some. looking ahead to saturday, and after a mostly fine start for many of us, we are going to see the showers developing yet again. slight differences in where we're most likely to see the showers. probably northern england. north wales could see the heaviest showers on saturday and they could be quite slow moving because the winds will be dropping out a little bit. but sunday into monday looks drier and warmer. >> by by looks like things are heating up boxt boilers sponsors of weather on

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