on tv, online and on to gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. >> i'm nana akua. and for the next few hours, me and my panel will be taking on some of the big topics. hitting the headlines. right now, this show is all about opinion. it's mine, it's theirs. and of course it's yours . we're debating, yours. we're debating, discussing and at times we will disagree. >> but no one will be cancelled. >> but no one will be cancelled. >> so joining me in the next houn >> so joining me in the next hour, broadcast and columnist lizzie cundy , as a former labour lizzie cundy, as a former labour party adviser, matthew laza in a few moments time, i'll be mocking the week in my roundtable discussion with my expert panel . expert panel. >> then sebastian gorka, former white house adviser to president trump, will be joining me for the political spotlight and telling me all about the us presidential election. stay tuned for my difficult conversation. >> now this week, my guest is the founder of and trustee of an autoimmune support awareness foundation that's aseel shirazi. now she is quite incredible. >> there are many people out there who have autoimmune conditions. we'll be discussing her fantastic work and how they support those with similar conditions. >> but before we get started,

let's get your latest news headunes. headlines. >> nana. thank you very much and good afternoon to you. it's just coming up to 3:02. the top story today. 1000 police officers have been deployed as a rally led by tommy robinson is being held in central london this afternoon. thousands are marching through the city waving flags and chanting. we want our country back. weaving their way through the streets from the royal courts of justice to trafalgar square . posting on social media square. posting on social media ahead of the event, mr robinson claimed it would be the biggest patriotic rally the uk has ever seen. protests by stand up to racism and jeremy corbyn's peace and justice project are also being held, with police using their powers under the public order act to keep the opposing groups apart . order act to keep the opposing groups apart. team gb has secured its first medal of the paris olympics with yasmin harper and scarlett mew jensen taking bronze in the

synchronised three metre springboard diving event. china claimed gold with the us taking silver. the result for great britain places them equal fourth with kazakhstan on the medals table. rain, though, is causing problems for outdoor events, with the tennis delayed and skateboarding postponed by 48 hours. the prime minister has congratulated the divers for their efforts after winning team gb's first medal. sir keir starmer is in paris, where he's also been speaking to british athletes, wishing them luck as they prepare for their respective events. and last night he also attended the opening ceremony and posted a video on social media telling those competing the whole country is behind them . country is behind them. meanwhile, though, eurostar passengers are still facing ongoing travel disruption after arson attacks on the french rail network ahead of the games . 1 arson attacks on the french rail network ahead of the games. 1 in 4 trains won't be running this weekend, with the operator saying four have been cancelled today. saying four have been cancelled today . travellers are being told today. travellers are being told today. travellers are being told to postpone their journeys if they can hear , the chief

they can hear, the chief constable of greater manchester police says. video footage of an officer seemingly kicking and stamping on a man at the airport is a source of profound regret. stephen watson insists the force is committed to supporting a criminal investigation into the officer's behaviour. it comes after the mayor of greater manchester appealed for a rigorous and a swift investigation into allegations of assault , with the police of assault, with the police watchdog now looking into the incident. they say they will determine whether his use of force was acceptable in the us . force was acceptable in the us. the fbi has u—turned over claims that donald trump may not have been hit by a bullet in pennsylvania. it comes after fbi director christopher wray told lawmakers the former president's injury could have been caused by glass. that, though, has been denied by the former white house doctor, ronny jackson, who described the comment as wrong and inappropriate. the fbi has now issued a statement confirming trump was indeed struck by a bullet, where the whole or fragmented into smaller pieces. meanwhile, the israeli

prime minister, benjamin netanyahu, has visited donald trump at his florida resort. and a warning the following footage does contain some flash photography. benjamin netanyahu rearranged his travel schedule to meet the republican nominee, a day after meeting president joe biden and his vice president, kamala harris. trump recently criticised the israeli president for prime minister rather for israel's security failures around the october the 7th hamas attacks. it's thought the meeting could ease tensions between the two men, and that visit comes as an israeli airstrike has hit a school in central gaza. the military there says it was targeting a hamas command centre inside the compound, which was being used to launch attacks against israeli troops. israel's defence forces added civilians were warned ahead of the strikes. gaza's hamas run health ministry says at least 30 palestinians were killed, with more than 100 injured. president biden is expected to announce plans to

reform the supreme court on monday. sources suggest he's likely to back term limits for justices and enforceable code of ethics. he's also expected to push for a constitutional amendment limiting immunity for presidents . it follows a supreme presidents. it follows a supreme court ruling in july giving presidents broad immunity from prosecution . asda workers are prosecution. asda workers are set to stage fresh strikes in their dispute over hours and pay- their dispute over hours and pay. the gmb union says more than 170 of its members will walk out of the lowestoft store on the 9th of august. the last strike was held back in may, but gmb says senior management seem to be burying their heads in the sand. asda has rejected those unions claims that no action has been taken, and is reassuring customers that the store will be open as normal . a common mouth open as normal. a common mouth bacteria can melt certain cancers, scientists have discovered. researchers say that they were surprised to find that fusobacterium was found to help those with head and neck cancers

viable cancer cells were found to be reduced by 70 to 99%. it's now being keenly studied at guy's and st thomas's, king and king's college london. those are the latest gb news headlines for now i'm sam francis. more for you in half an hour for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone , sign up to news smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code, or go to gbnews.com >> forward slash alerts . >> forward slash alerts. >> forward slash alerts. >> good afternoon. welcome on board. it's fast approaching seven minutes after 3:00. >> i'm nana akua and it's time to mock the week. >> and what a busy one it's been.joe >> and what a busy one it's been. joe biden quit the race and enter kamala or kamala . and enter kamala or kamala. kamala. kamala harris, who raised a ground .

breaking $80 million in just 24 hours. >> she was endorsed by the obamas. >> kamala, hey. >> kamala, hey. >> hey, there. oh, hi. >> hey, there. oh, hi. >> you're both together. oh, it's good to hear you both. >> i can't have this phone call without saying to my girl, kamala, i am proud of you. this is going to be historic. >> we call to say, michelle and i couldn't be prouder to endorse you and to do everything we can to get you through this election and into the oval office. >> oh my goodness, what surprise. >> a surprise call with about 4 or 5 cameras, really. >> i say surprise! >> i say surprise! >> we also learned that rishi sunak will stay at the helm of the troubled tories until november, and it was sir keir starmer first ever pmqs as prime minister, where he hit out at the tories for controlling our borders or not controlling them even. >> i'm not sure i agree with his numbers, but look, i do think that it's serious that the previous government lost control of our borders. record numbers have crossed the channel since the leader of the opposition,

when he was prime minister for 18 months, 50,000 people crossed the channel. >> a serious that >> it's a serious issue that requires a serious answer, and thatis requires a serious answer, and that is why we will set up our border security command to take down the gangs that are running this vile trade. what we won't do is waste further time on a gimmick that cost a fortune and remove just four volunteers for aboutin remove just four volunteers for about in between all that, i mean, until you've got the border control command or whatever it is, what are you going to do now.7 >> going to do now? >> over a thousand or so have already arrived since he became prime minister energy secretary ed miliband got his wind energy wish as the labour government announced their green policies . announced their green policies. >> so my friend is blowing in the wind. >> the answer is blowing in the wind . wind. >> yeah, that one always gets me right . right. >> and this coming as we also got news that chancellor rachel reeves will be urged to raid the pension savings of up to 6 million middle class people. >> but in lighter news, prince harry, he's whingeing about the press again. >> i think everything that's

played out has, has, has shown people, what the truth of the matter is for me, the mission continues, but it has, it has? yes. it's caused as you say, part of a rift , part of a rift, >> and solar panels fitted to the roof of windsor castle for the roof of windsor castle for the first time. amazing. and i wonder if any of you took a look at the paris olympics, which took a very woke turn to the left, which included a drag queen performance, a colourful and bright parade , and a and bright parade, and a controversial depiction of the last supper spit and mucky old week . coming last supper spit and mucky old week. coming up, my panel will be making light of this week's top stories and mock the week. then, at 320, it's my roundtable discussion, climate policy, where we'll be taking a closer look at the cost versus the benefits of net zero. and joining me to shine a light in the political hot seat today is doctor sebastian gorka, former white house adviser to president

trump, where he'll be speaking about the us presidential election and what sort of threat kamala harris could to donald trump in november. he's in the political spotlight at 345 now. lots of things coming up, including my next hour. i'm looking forward to all of that. stay tuned. get in touch. your thoughts, your comments, gbnews.com/yoursay . all right. gbnews.com/yoursay. all right. coming up now. joining me in my roundtable discussion, former labour minister bill rammell , labour minister bill rammell, former mp simon danczuk. also joining me climate scientist paul burgess, also climate columnist at the independent . columnist at the independent. donnacha mccarthy, like monica, can never forget him , never can never forget him, never forget him, never forget him. jonica monica. keep it . forget him, never forget him. jonica monica. keep it. i keep it that way. right. well, let's let's start with the first topic of conversation. really in my monologue, which of course was kamala harris. has everybody pleased to see kamala? is this a good addition to the. is she the right person to be leading the democratic party? what do you think, bill? >> yeah, i think the last time i was on your show, i was saying that although historically i've

been a strong supporter of joe biden , i was desperate for him biden, i was desperate for him to stand down. i think it's a good move . it feels like good move. it feels like politics in the us has been transformed in the last week. >> you know, trump's gone from a 6% lead to a dead heat. >> it seems like kamala has got the momentum with her. and clearly trump is already rattled. >> you know he accused her last night of being anti—semitic. her husband's jewish, for god's sake. and when trump gets rattled, he gets exposed. >> so for the first time in months, i think the democrats have got a fighting chance of beating him. >> do you think simon danczuk. >> do you think simon danczuk. >> well , what we've got now is >> well, what we've got now is everybody rallying around kamilla harris, only kamala, kamala only only a week. >> so i'm not going to get drawn on that. >> only a week or two ago they were all rallying around joe biden and telling us how good and sane and right for the job he was. and now they've all turned face and are backing somebody else. i think the democrats have got a real credibility problem, and i think that's not going to do them any good. run into the presidential election. >> are you smiling like a cheshire cat? the idea that trump doesn't have a credibility

problem makes me feel hilarious . problem makes me feel hilarious. >> however, i think there's some serious point to this. >> it was looking for people who care about women's rights, people who care about health care for working class people, and who care about not giving huge tax breaks to the billionaire class. there is now some hope that we might actually have a positive outcome from the us presidential election, and those issues are important. what makes you think trump thinks those things? >> i don't think he does. >> i don't think he does. >> camilla, i call him camilla is well left too well left of the party. i mean he's she's extremely left. and frankly, if america gets camilla as a president, it'll just be a catastrophe on foreign policy. and the way she treated israel. she may not be anti—jewish, but she's certainly anti—israel, the way she behaved. and i just i'm in fear for america if she gets it. >> well, there's a lot of i mean, like all the clips of her are her going , wow. yes. i mean, are her going, wow. yes. i mean, she's always laughing, isn't she?! she's always laughing, isn't she? i mean, it's not a bad thing, but you say it's a foreign policy disaster, but what about ukraine? >> do you not care about the security of europe? do you not care about the idea that a

dictatorship is invading europe? a european country? i very much. and the position of trump on ukraine is. absolutely. well, what is it? >> no, no, hold on, hold on. >> but what are you handing over? >> no, no, he didn't say that, though. he insisted that if nato don't pay their fair share, then he would not work with them in terms of. and he was right. and they all started to chip in. i'm not talking about what are you talking about? >> talking about actually russia. >> you're extrapolating the trump donald trump said on day one he would create peace. >> how does that mean he would actually just hand over a chunk of. >> well, he said he'd create peace and you're annoyed by that? >> no, i'm. >> no, i'm. >> has he explained how he's going to create peace? >> well, it looks like what he was. >> well, you don't know, do you? >> well, you don't know, do you? >> it looks very clear. and he also said that putin would not have invaded had he'd been there a huge chunk of ukraine over to the aggressor. >> the reality is trump has had some of the best foreign policy when he was in power, that any us president has ever had. he never took the country to war. and he was very sensible in terms of israel and jerusalem . terms of israel and jerusalem. he has a really good, strong record on foreign policy. and i think that should be welcomed by the with respect. i mean, that's balderdash. you know, this is a guy in office who cosied up to

dictators, whether it's vladimir putin, whether it's kim jong il, kim jong un, you know, cosying up to them , trying to do, do the up to them, trying to do, do the right thing by the world. that's not a negative, that's a positive. not when you do as you did, as donald trump did, where he believed the russians over his own security. >> in what way did he believe the russians about the intelligence, about what they were doing with regard to international aggression? >> you know , there's a there's a >> you know, there's a there's a real threat from russia in this world, as is being exemplified in ukraine. >> and i'm really worried he was able, but he was able to mean. >> but you i mean, ijust able, but he was able to mean. >> but you i mean, i just think >> but you i mean, ijust think from what you said, he's cosying up to dictators. and so what do you think that keir starmer will have to do? because he's going to have to be friendly with these people and he did say, and i think david lammy, they've all said that they'll work with whoever they need to work with to get what needs to be done, and that's the correct thing to do. >> and that is the correct thing to do. >> and we will do that. and keir and david lammy will do that. but you know, if trump wins, if trump is the problem, why are you laughing? >> paul burgess paul burgess i'm

sorry, david lammy will do that. i mean, david lammy, he's got an immediate problem. if trump gets in a huge problem , david lammy, in a huge problem, david lammy, he's going to have a problem with the middle east as well and so on. so i think one of the there's only two bad appointments that have really upset me and one is ed miliband and one is david lammy, and you couldn't get a worse trump. >> you actually vice president has said worse about trump than david lammy. okay, donald, you actually say he's got a good outlook on on foreign policy. there is a huge issue in the world. we have a division between the dictatorship class and the liberal democracies. and trump is clearly again and again says he's on the dictatorship side against liberal democracy. now, what he said is, george is better than war. war >> the dichotomy that you created highly amusing people like keir starmer, he's will be very dictatorial. he would have locked us down even more strongly in terms of covid. that's dictatorial. i mean, he he removed your draw seven. that isn't realistic. >> he removed the whip from

seven seven of his mps just for simply disagreeing or not going with what he wanted. >> prime minister, i'm not a labour supporter and that's quite tough. any prime minister who has his mps voting against the king's speech has to have some discipline, as i'm sure you know , simon. however, the idea know, simon. however, the idea that actually you call keir starmer a dictator in terms of his politics and you dismiss russia, china, north korea, and which is who trump is politicising. >> i don't recall him dismissing them. >> georgia is better than war. war. and that's what trump was doing. well, he was he was the first one to meet the north korean leader. you know, i mean, we all know that countries nuts. we all know that. but at least he was dealing with it. at least he was dealing with it. at least he was dealing with it. at least he was trying to, you know, communicate with it . and by the communicate with it. and by the way, i'm totally in support of the west supporting ukraine. i don't think you can simon danczuk the british foreign minister ever to have visited nonh minister ever to have visited north korea and negotiated with them. >> and yes, there should be dialogue, but you need a tough resolve with regard to them. it

is a crazy regime and we're not going to get that tough resolve from donald trump returning to the issue. >> i think it's still, donald trump to win. i think , i think trump to win. i think, i think it's going to be a close race. i think the democrats have done what they've had to do. they've been dragged kicking and screaming to do it, but they finally done it. one democratically undemocratic . but democratically undemocratic. but i still think trump will win it. how is it undemocratic? >> well, it does seem a bit odd that joe biden was supposedly managing everything, which we all know he really wasn't, and they pretended that he was. now suddenly it's oh, he's he's not. oh, what a surprise. was anybody surprised here? i wasn't surprised here? i wasn't surprised . my surprise was that surprised. my surprise was that people were trying to convince me that he was capable. well, listen, stay with us, though, because there's still plenty of time to enjoy a massive win this summer with your chance to win £30,000 in tax free cash, you really could be our next big winner. >> here is how to celebrate a spectacular summer with your chance to win an incredible £30,000 in tax free cash in our great british giveaway. it's the biggest prize of the year, so far and it's totally tax free.

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good afternoon. if you just tuned in. welcome sunak. dan azeez here. 22 minutes after 3:00, and this is gb news. we are britain's news channel. and it's are britain's news channel. and wsfime are britain's news channel. and it's time now for my round table discussion on climate change. and there are a few things that we need to discuss. so let's start by showing you the alliance for responsible citizenship. s recent discussion on climate policy. the speaker made a number of points in a speech, including claims about the number of deaths in europe caused by cold waves compared to heat waves. let's take a listen. >> i think you hear a lot about heat waves . heat waves. >> actually, we had a little bit of that yesterday. >> but we fear a lot of the heat waves. but remember, there's also cold waves. we need to have also cold waves. we need to have a sense of how much does this

affect us? well, if you look at europe, we actually know this for all nations in europe. heat kills. absolutely. we estimate that more than 20,000 people die each year in europe from excessive heat . but we're not excessive heat. but we're not well informed if we don't also tell people that every year coal kills and actually kills about ten times as many, about 220,000 people die each and every year in europe from cold. >> this is what was presented when comparing the number of people who died in the last. in the past ten years, from climate related disasters compared to hundreds of years ago, the number of people that die from climate related disasters. >> so that's floods, drought, storms and wildfires. we have pretty good data for this over the last 100 years. in the 1920s, almost half a million people on this planet died from these four disasters floods, droughts, storms and wildfires every year on average. it's

dramatically dropped down. so the last ten years, the average number of people dying from these climate related disasters is 9000. it's a reduction of more than 98%. >> so the speaker for the alliance for responsible citizenship also went on to discuss the cost versus benefits of net. >> this was the benefit the benefit is a substantial $4.5 trillion on average across the world, across the 21st century. that's a substantial amount of money. this is why climate change is a real problem. it's something that we should be aware of and think about how we fix smartly. unfortunately, it turns out the cost is phenomenally larger. it's $27 trillion. that's about a quarter of global gdp each and every year throughout the 21st century. >> that was the cost versus benefits of net zero policies. well, joining me now is former labour minister bill rammell, former mp simon danczuk. i'm also joined by climate scientist paul burgess and also climate

columnist at the independent. donna mccarthy. right, danica, we'll start with you. sure, >> bjorn lomborg is right. >> bjorn lomborg is right. >> he is. >> he is. >> significant number of people die in europe from cold every yeah die in europe from cold every year. what is absolutely untrue aboutis year. what is absolutely untrue about is to say that climate campaigners don't talk about it. insulate britain actually put their put their freedom at stake when they stage in protest. what to demand that the 30,000 people in britain who die from cold every year should have their homes insulated. and so we tackle that . if you tackle cold, tackle that. if you tackle cold, you tackle climate change. at the same time . why? because the same time. why? because a huge amount of fossil fuels are used to heat our leaky homes and cost us a fortune . so climate cost us a fortune. so climate climate campaigners say that we should insulate our homes, cut our fossil fuels and save the lives from cold. >> okay, but with global warming and the place is warming up a bit, you're less likely to need so much cold, as it were, or so much heat as it were, to heat your home, because the place is warming up. so that's got to be a slight benefit . a slight benefit. >> so what did lomborg say to that? he said that what we should do because what happens in the that's fine in europe, but the vast majority of the

world lives in africa. and asia. and for example, in india, we're talking about temperatures over 50 degrees. what does lomborg say? provide everybody with air conditioning. do you know how many people in india have air conditioning? 5%. you know how much it cost? the ordinary indian person. but they're a fortune and would hammer their their economic. >> well, i'm sorry there, but if you're going to look at africa, let's take africa because you covered a lot of subjects there. we are depriving africa of using fossil fuels. you won't loan them money to build fossil fuels. and now they're having to use dung, you know, to heat themselves and so on. what the left are doing and what this climate, what the climate alarmism is doing, is actually making the people of africa poorer. and it's actually it's actually the opposite in this country. >> hang on, let him finish. because we didn't interrupt you in this country, >> the, chief secretary to the treasury, darren jones, has been on air stating it's going to cost hundreds of billions , cost hundreds of billions, hundreds of billions. that's what the labour party say. and

then he says, but don't worry, we'll get private industry to pay we'll get private industry to pay it, as if no one's going to pay pay it, as if no one's going to pay them back. as if somehow they're going to do it for charity. that's the ridiculous situation we're in, >> let's go to bill rammell. >> let's go to bill rammell. >> well , look, >> let's go to bill rammell. >> well, look, i, i agree with lomborg that you need to tackle both extreme cold and extreme heat, but i've got a real problem with him being quoted as an expert on these issues. >> he's been widely discredited for using questionable numbers for using questionable numbers for you just said you agree with him. >> so if you're agreeing a particular point. >> but i don't agree with his underlying research base, you know, but he's come to the same conclusion as you. he's he's been accused of scientific misconduct by selectively quoting other sources of research and misrepresenting them. but that's not confidence. >> i don't really think that's that's common. that's not a fair. i don't think the science shouldn't be involved in that shine, shouldn't be involved in who the person is and what i can start quoting john clauser, the nobel prize winner i start my talks when i'm giving a talk

saying, look at that. >> he's saying it's all a pack of rubbish, all this alarmism. and then i say, it doesn't mean a thing. what matters is the evidence he produces exactly thatis evidence he produces exactly that is all that matters. if it's evidence, if your evidence is flawed and your research. no, but you're misrepresenting the reality. that's a real but you could say that about the whole c02 could say that about the whole co2 thing, because that feels like the evidence is slightly flawed. >> i want to bring simon danczuk is right. >> i'll come to you in a minute. this where politicians play on this climate emergency, and this is the point he makes. if you watch the whole piece . and i watch the whole piece. and i think that's completely wrong for politicians to do that, and it's been conservatives as well as labour for that matter, what we really need, what the solution is, is nuclear more than anything. that's an every government over the last 20, 30 years has failed to address that in the united kingdom. but what we've got now, and it really concerns me with ed miliband, is stopping drilling for oil and gas in the north sea is a big disaster. i think that's the really wrong step . really wrong step. >> dr mo khaki you talked about us and the cost of energy found

in in africa. paul. yeah, the international energy agency, it's very clearly stated that that that renewables are the cheapest energy for africa energy, energy and storage. and so what happened this week with ed miliband is really positive . ed miliband is really positive. for the last ten years, the tory government have been blocking and slowing down renewables and energy storage in the uk. so for example, wind energy, the cheapest form of energy, was banned. we were the only country in the world to ban it. >> well, well, you can only well, you can only make money from wind and sorry, sorry, you can only make money from wind as we know when the wind blows. and we know when the wind blows. and we are also struggling with storage. what's the storage? >> the what? storage. >> the what? storage. >> storage. >> storage. >> there . there is salt. there >> there. there is salt. there are salt. batteries. there are no no no no no no no. are salt. batteries. there are no no no no no no no . there are no no no no no no no. there are three and a half batteries. my home, my home. excuse me . my home, my home. excuse me. my home, my home. excuse me. my home has been solar powered since 1998. my bills last year were minus 200. and for nine months of the year, i didn't bnng months of the year, i didn't bring a single kilowatt from the grid for heating our lives. yeah, but you've got a battery. yeah, but you've got a battery. yeah, that stores overnight.

>> you can. let's be honest. you can afford solar panels . that's can afford solar panels. that's the let's be honest. stop yourself there you can afford solar panels okay. so it's prohibited. but for most people it's about ten grand. >> it's exactly right. this is a real class issue. actually. working people are being attacked by a labour government. that's the irony of it. >> absolutely. absolutely not. >> absolutely. absolutely not. >> let me finish. let him finish. let him finish . because finish. let him finish. because we listen to you on your solar panels. >> poorer people can't afford climate taxes to go on holiday. they can't afford solar power like you can. they can't afford higher energy bills. and it's a labour government punishing working class people the most expensive. we're not punishing working people. oh yes you are. >> the risks from climate change in terms of doing the emergency thing, in terms of drought, in terms of a whole host of issues, which we make no difference at all, all of us. >> but no, it doesn't. >> but no, it doesn't. >> the green agenda actually creates jobs . reputable creates jobs. reputable international research says that if you double the use of renewables, you actually create a net 9 million jobs. >> burgess biden has managed to

do work with ford to create green jobs. do you know how much it cost per job? $7.7 million. the next lot are looked at $4.4 million per job. and the funny part is, those jobs were less than half the normal wage. you know, it is. this is a fallacy. the most expensive electricity in the world is denmark. to the consumer, the highest wind per capita, denmark. the next one, germany, germany the highest next highest wind per capita. next highest sixth. most expensive . let me finish. and expensive. let me finish. and we're the third. so i'm sorry, without the storage, you invent things like storage. i've worked it out. £3.5 trillion. trillion pounds , lasting ten years, and pounds, lasting ten years, and have to spend it again for batteries. this is nonsense, i tell you. you've got no physical evidence to back that up. you criticised joe biden. >> he's created tens of millions ofjobs >> he's created tens of millions of jobs and has got an economic growth record. we would give our right arm in what, tens of millions of jobs where in anything. >> what's that got to do with across the board and what's the relevance what's the relevance to that? >> because it's been by a huge injection into green jobs and green industries, all john

mauger where we're all agreed, i think, and we should be agreed, is that the price of actually tackling the climate crisis should not fall on the poor. >> and actually, what's exciting about what ed miliband is doing is actually he's bringing in cheaper energy and what we should be doing . well, what should be doing. well, what they're also proposing, we will see what they're also proposing. please don't laugh if that's a personal attack. it's what's also what you said, richard. from you, they are talking about abolishing the poll tax on electricity bills, i.e. the standing charge. the standing charge means that poor people pay charge means that poor people pay more per kilowatt hour. okay, okay. >> and that's a really positive that's a good positive thing. but let's be honest, heat pumps extremely expensive. agreed. solar panels extremely expensive . solar panels extremely expensive. hold on. wind extremely expensive . yes. well, you've got expensive. yes. well, you've got to. and also, let's talk about the actual wind turbines as well. they only last about 15 years. where do you get them from? china. thank you very much . from? china. thank you very much. donna mccarthy. brilliant to talk to you. exactly that's the point. okay. labour minister, former labour minister bill rammell, former mp simon danczuk climate scientist paul burgess and also climate columnist at

the independent, duncan mccarthy. thank you so much. right. you're with me. i'm nana akua. this is gb news coming up. nana nicole, the paris olympics opening ceremony, where the last supper was depicted in a parody by drag queens. but first, let's get your latest news headlines with sam francis. >> very good afternoon to you. it's just after half past three. and the top story is that a thousand police officers have been deployed in london as a rally led by tommy robinson is held in the centre of the city. thousands are marching through the streets, waving flags and chanting. we want our country back. weaving their way through the roads from the royal courts of justice to trafalgar square and posting on social media ahead of the event, mr robinson said it would be the biggest patriotic rally the uk has ever seen. protests by stand up to racism and jeremy corbyn's peace and justice project are also being held today, and police are urging using rather, their

powers under the public order act to keep the opposing groups apart . cyclist anna henderson apart. cyclist anna henderson has won silver for team gb on the streets of paris, coming second in the women's individual time trial on the first official day of the paris olympics, she finished behind australia's grace browne, who took gold . it grace browne, who took gold. it means great britain is now currently sitting third on the medal table, with china leading and australia in second. well earlier divers yasmin harper and scarlett mew jensen got great britain off the mark with bronze in the synchronised three metre springboard event. china claimed gold and the us took silver. springboard event. china claimed gold and the us took silver . the gold and the us took silver. the prime minister has congratulated the divers for their efforts. sir keir starmer is in paris for the games, where he's also been speaking to british athletes, wishing them luck as they prepare for their respective events. and last night he attended the opening ceremony and posted a video on social media telling those competing the whole country is behind them .

the whole country is behind them. meanwhile, though, eurostar passengers hoping to travel to paris are still facing disruptions after arson attacks on the french rail network ahead of the games. 1 in 4 trains won't be running this weekend, with the operator saying four have been cancelled today. travellers are being told to postpone their journeys if they can, and the chief constable of greater manchester police says a video of an officer seemingly kicking and stamping on a man at the city's airport is a source of profound regret . stephen of profound regret. stephen watson insists the force is committed to supporting criminal investigation into the officer's behaviour . investigation into the officer's behaviour. the police investigation into the officer's behaviour . the police watchdog behaviour. the police watchdog is now looking into the incident to determine whether his use of force was acceptable . those are force was acceptable. those are the latest headlines. for now i'm sam francis. your next update at 4:00 for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code, or go to gbnews.com. >> forward slash alerts .

>> forward slash alerts. >> forward slash alerts. >> thank you sam. still to come former white house adviser to president donald trump, doctor seb gorka will be in the political hot seat to shine a light on the us presidential election in my political spotlight. but next, uri geller will be giving us the latest on the ground live from israel. don't go anywhere

welcome. if you just tuned in. where have you been ? study. nine where have you been? study. nine minutes after 3:00. this is a gb news. we are britain's news channel. i'm nana akua. let's go live to tel aviv and have a chat with uri geller. uri, welcome to the program . what's with uri geller. uri, welcome to the program .what's on your mind? >> okay. hello nana. >> okay. hello nana. >> it's always great to be on

your show after another monumental week to begin with, i am shocked by your new labour government. >> they have decided to not object to the international criminal court if it wants to issue an arrest warrant for my prime minister. look, nana, this is disgusting. the uk is meant to be an ally of israel. this move by labour should send shock waves among everyone with a moral conscience. the uk government is basically siding with islamic terrorists and that should worry everyone. now there is something else which shocked and disgusted me too. in the united states, the two presidential candidates showed their differences in how they welcomed my prime minister, benjamin netanyahu, to the united states this week. on the one hand, donald trump personally welcomed mr and mrs. netanyahu to his home in florida

with warmth and smiles , with with warmth and smiles, with a handshake and hugs on the other hand, kamala harris snubbed netanyahu. she refused to attend his address to congress. what an insult. look, nana, let me tell you now , and this is very, very you now, and this is very, very important about kamala harris. if she becomes president, this will affect this in effect, will be barack obama's fourth term in office, because kamala harris is his puppet. look look at this photograph. look, nana, i have to save the world from this woman. and i'm going to use all my powers. wait. i'm going to use all my powers to stop her from winning the elections. let me give you an idea of just how awful and dangerous this woman is. she was given one job to do under joe is. she was given one job to do underjoe biden. and that was is. she was given one job to do under joe biden. and that was to stop millions of illegal immigrants crossing into

america. but guess what? she had the opposite effect. if she was working for an ordinary company, she would have been fired by now. she refuses to call. listen, this is important. she refuses to call illegal immigrants illegal aliens because it hurts their feelings. and she says even saying radical islamic terrorism should be banned. so this means in her mind, the hijackers who flew into the world trade centre were not radical islamist terrorists, but just 19 ordinary young man. how can this woman be the president? even joe biden says he picked her because she was a woman. nothing to do with her talents . she is what they call talents. she is what they call d e diversity, equity and inclusion . this is the latest inclusion. this is the latest woke fashion sweeping, sweeping america and england and it's a

recipe for disaster. look nana as usual, it was great being on your show . if when you put as usual, it was great being on your show. if when you put this on x, i'm asking all your viewers do you agree with me? please, if you do agree with me , please, if you do agree with me, let nana know. i love you all, bless you all. everyone in england. >> thank you so much. always a pleasure to talk to you as ever. and i'm sure keir starmer would say that he's not actually siding with islamic governments. he's probably just trying to put forward his policies and propositions and that's how it goes. so him and his party, thank you so much. uri geller as even thank you so much. uri geller as ever, really good to talk to you. that's uri geller. he's live in tel aviv right next. former white house adviser to president trump, doctor seb gorka will be in the political hot seat shine a light on us presidential election. in my

good afternoon. welcome. i'm just reading some of your comments on gbnews.com/yoursay. you cheeky people. it's hilarious. if you've just joined me, i'm nana akua . this is gb

me, i'm nana akua. this is gb news. we're live on tv, online and on digital radio. and it's time now for this week's political spotlight. in the hot seat, shining a light is former white house adviser to president trump, doctor sebastian gorka, doctor sebastian, thank you very much for joining doctor sebastian, thank you very much forjoining me. doctor sebastian, thank you very much forjoining me . really good much forjoining me. really good to talk to you. oh, you look like you're in a really nice car, actually, it looks like a nice car. what car is that? >> that's my ford mustang. >> that's my ford mustang. >> now . >> now. >> now. >> oh, i knew it was a nice one. look at the interior looks gorgeous. all right, so let's start with let's talk about let's do a little bit with regard to joe biden because a lot of people are seeing now people suddenly the narrative is kamala harris. oh she's the saviour. she's here. she's you know, but she's the she's from the same party that put joe biden up there and tried to convince us that he was still somebody who wasn't. you know, we could tell that there was something wrong with him. so what are your thoughts and what's going on in america in terms of their view on kamala? >> well, it's very strange that

they seem to forget that this was the vice president for the last three and a half years. >> so anything disastrous done by joe biden is also on the doorstep of kamala. >> not only that, and it's fascinating. >> it's hilarious to see the last five days, the mainstream legacy, lying media trying to suddenly delete the fact that she was made the border. >> zarina biden made her the person in charge of our borders, which have been open. i mean, you think a few boat people coming across the channel is a problem ? that woman has allowed problem? that woman has allowed more than 20 million illegals into this nation, including those who have raped and murdered victims as young as 12 year old jocelyn nungaray, or the mother of five in maryland. rachel moran, who was recently raped and then murdered by an illegal. >> so, you know , this woman is >> so, you know, this woman is as culpable for the disasters of the last three and a half years as joe is. and the idea they're trying to airbrush her history out of the picture tells you who

the democrats really are. >> nana. >> nana. >> well, i mean, obviously she would argue that she's not really got any direct links to any of that. and actually, she was trying to probably be kind and humane with her policy. i noficed and humane with her policy. i noticed the wording for we've been told now that you can't call people illegal migrants or something, and it's changing and it seems to be following a few days after we're hearing the same thing from the united states. so with this, why is it that we hear now that the gap between the two parties, the democrats and the republicans, is actually closing and it's actually that there isn't a gap anymore? i mean, is there any truth to this? >> no, not at all. president trump is still trouncing the democrats in every significant poll, especially in the battleground states. and let me just be clear to your last point. these are illegals , okay? point. these are illegals, okay? you come into america and you come across the border without permission. you are an illegal and us code. the criminal code

still calls them illegal immigrants. so that's just a fact of life. no political correctness here. please okay, these are illegal immigrants tens of millions of them let into this nation. we are the only developed nation in the world that doesn't have a functioning border. and it is rife for exploitation, not just by those who want to rape and murder innocent girls and women, but also terrorists, cartel members , human traffickers, left members, human traffickers, left wing organisations like the united nations or human rights watch say that between 40 and 60% of the women, including the girls, trafficked across the open border created by kamala harris , are raped or sexually harris, are raped or sexually assaulted. this party says they're about women. they say they're about women. they say they're about women. they say they're about minorities . they they're about minorities. they don't give a flying hoot about either of them . it's all about either of them. it's all about power. look at how she was chosen . nobody, not one human chosen. nobody, not one human being in america voted for her to be the candidate. okay? the

democrat delegates that biden accrued in their recent primary were gifted by the senile old husk of a man in the white house to kamala, which means she hasn't been selected . she hasn't hasn't been selected. she hasn't been elected. she's been selected . that's the disdain selected. that's the disdain they have for democracy in the democrat party. >> she's been incredibly quiet in the background with everything going on with biden , everything going on with biden, which, you know, does does say quite a bit. i don't think there was much confidence in her before until they were desperate, which is what it looks like now. they're desperate. they need someone. and she sort of kind of reminds you of a sort of michelle obama. do you not think? and they and she's not black, as it were, but she's not black, as it were, but she's a mixed race, which means this is this is she'll be the first black person or black woman to lead america if she wins. >> well, right, president trump, my former boss, he's doing very well, thank you. no. and let's be clear what her heritage is, okay? she's not black african. she's half jamaican, half indian .

she's half jamaican, half indian. and her jamaican ancestors. this and herjamaican ancestors. this is from her father's interview in 2019. admitted that her black ancestors had jamaican ancestors, were slave owners . ancestors, were slave owners. okay, so these are the things they can't wipe out from history. no, what happened is we had the debate with president trump. biden had his mouth open for an hour and a half, he said. completely nonsense garbage. they were desperate. and so she's been parachuted in as the desperate candidate for a desperate candidate for a desperate party so they can maintain power. but after the assassination attempt on my former boss, people know who the democrats are. let's not forget what happened in butler, pennsylvania , exactly two weeks pennsylvania, exactly two weeks ago. a democrat donor tried to murder the leader of the opposition. >> what do we know? that a democrat donor. oh, well, i suppose he did donate some money this this young lad, this 20 year old. is that what you're saying? oh, i think you're

frozen. oh, sebastian , i think frozen. oh, sebastian, i think we've lost you. you've frozen for a little bit , we've lost you. you've frozen for a little bit, sebastian gorka, they're talking to me with regard to donald trump and he, we sort of ended on a very a cliff—hanger. hopefully we can get him back to try and finish that off. but if we can't keep your thoughts coming gbnews.com/yoursay. let's see what some of you have been saying. i've got a little bit of time, vice, etc, says harris was given one job under joe biden to given one job underjoe biden to change his diapers. that's funny, that's funny . right. funny, that's funny. right. let's see, yes, we totally agree with erg. harris is useless and woke, just like our labour government. they're going to regret it when they see how the countries are going downhill. just wish we hadn't voted brexit and we could get out of here. that's what she's saying. nikki waltz has seb gorka will be fun. tells it like it is. looking forward to seeing him. sadly, we've lost the connection with him . and. yuri, i'm with you. him. and. yuri, i'm with you. kamala is a danger to western

society. that's what a lot of people think. but what do you think? gbnews.com/yoursay coming up, i'll be joined by my amazing panel up, i'll be joined by my amazing panel. lizzie cundy and matthew laza next, my nigel nana nigel on the menu. the paris olympic opening ceremony with a last supper was depicted in a parody by drag queens that is on the way. stay tuned. but now let's get an update with your . weather. >> looks like things are heating up. >> boxt boilers sponsors of weather on gb news . weather on gb news. >> good afternoon and welcome to your gb news weather update brought to you by the met office. well, it's been quite an unsettled start to the weekend with sunny spells and showers, but it is going to be turning dner but it is going to be turning drier and much warmer by the time we reach sunday. and the reason for this unsettled start is we have a frontal system moving its way in from the west, and that's brought with it some showers and some outbreaks of rain. now we could see some showers lingering onto the evening, perhaps the odd heavy

shower across scotland and northern england. but for most of the night it is going to be turning largely dry and settled. plenty of clear spells too, which means we're likely to see some mist and fog patches develop, particularly in those rural spots. so a cooler night to come. but most towns and cities remaining in the low double digits. so to start on sunday morning, there'll be plenty of bright sunshine around. but as i say, there will be some mist and fog, particularly around hilly areas of scotland. but for most of scotland, largely dry, just a few showers feeding into those western spots. most of the mist and fog is likely to be across northern ireland and western parts of northern england, and further east. there'll be more of that bright sunshine, so some mist and fog across wales, perhaps devon and cornwall, but across the southeast quite a warm and bright start to the second half of the weekend. so for sunday, as high pressure builds across the country, that means a fine and settled day on offer and plenty of warm sunshine across the country too. we may just start to see a bit

more cloud feed into western parts of northern ireland and western parts of scotland, too. by western parts of scotland, too. by the time we reach the afternoon, but otherwise plenty of dry weather, some warm sunshine and highs of 26 across the southeast. but elsewhere temperatures improved and mostly in the low 20s. so a dry evening to come. but that cloud will continue to thicken in the west, with some, perhaps some outbreaks of rain overnight, too, and turning fairly blustery here as well. and as we head into next week, there'll be plenty of dry to weather come, perhaps some thunderstorms by midweek. that's it from me. bye for now . for now. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers . boxt boilers. >> sponsors of weather on gb

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live on tv, online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua. and for the next two hours, me and my panel will be taking on some of the big topics hitting the headlines. right now. this show is all about opinion is mine. it's theirs. and of course it's yours. we'll be debating, discussing and at times we will disagree, but no one will be cancelled . so joining me today cancelled. so joining me today is author , broadcaster and is author, broadcaster and columnist lizzie cundy. and also former adviser to labour party matthew laza. coming up in the great british debate this i'm asking is an attack on christianity. fair game . the christianity. fair game. the organisers of the paris olympics opening ceremony think so as they made a parody of the last supper using drag queens. imagine if that was another religion . so for the great religion. so for the great british debate today, i'm asking, is an attack on christianity fair game? looks like me. actually. that one there with the blonde. did you see it then? coming up from my difficult conversations, i'm joined by aseel shirazi, founder and trustee of autoimmune support and awareness foundation , support and awareness foundation, who will tell us all about the fantastic work that she does to

support those suffering with autoimmune conditions. and that's a lot of people, then, of course, in clickbait , prince course, in clickbait, prince harry's whingeing about the press again. >> i think everything that's played out has, has, has shown people, what the truth of the matter is for me, the mission continues, but it has it has? yes. it's caused, as you say , yes. it's caused, as you say, part of a rift . part of a rift. >> how can she keep a straight face? but before we get started, let's get your latest news with saint francis . saint francis. >> very good afternoon to you. it's just after 4:00. and the top story this afternoon. 1000 police officers have been deployed as a rally led by tommy robinson is being held in central london. thousands are marching their way through the city, waving flags and chanting. we want our country back. weaving their way through the streets from the royal courts of

justice to trafalgar square, where, posting on social media ahead of the event, mr robinson claimed it would be the biggest patriotic rally the uk has ever seen. protests by stand up to racism and jeremy corbyn's peace and justice project are also being held. police are using powers under the public order act to keep the opposing groups apart . cyclist anna henderson apart. cyclist anna henderson has won silver for team gb on the first official day of the paris olympics. she was competing in the women's individual time trial and finished behind australia's grace brown. it now means great britain is currently sitting third on the medal table, with china leading and australia coming in second. european champion josh josh tarling, rather is looking to add to her success in the men's event this afternoon and earlier. divers yasmin harper and scarlett mew jensen got great britain off the mark with a bronze in the synchronised three metre springboard event. china claimed gold with the us taking silver

and the prime minister has congratulated those two divers for their efforts after they claimed team gb's first medal of the games. sir keir starmer is in paris, where he's also been speaking to british athletes , speaking to british athletes, wishing them luck as they prepare for their respective events . and last night he was in events. and last night he was in attendance at the opening ceremony and posted a video on social media telling those competing that the whole country is behind them . meanwhile, is behind them. meanwhile, though, eurostar passengers are still facing travel disruption after arson attacks on the french rail network ahead of the games , 1 in 4 trains aren't games, 1 in 4 trains aren't running this weekend, with the operator today saying four have been cancelled. travellers are being told to postpone their journeys if they can. the chief constable of greater manchester police says video footage of an officer seemingly kicking and stamping on a man at the city's airport is a source of profound regret . stephen watson insists regret. stephen watson insists the force is committed to supporting a criminal investigation into the officer's behaviour, and it comes after

the mayor of greater manchester has appealed for a rigorous and swift investigation into allegations of assault. the police watchdog say they are now looking into the incident to determine whether his use of force was acceptable in the us. the fbi has u—turned over claims that donald trump may not have been hit by a bullet in pennsylvania. it comes after fbi director christopher wray had told lawmakers the former president's injury could have been caused by glass. there's that has been denied, though, by the former white house doctor, ronny jackson, who's described the comments as wrong and inappropriate. the fbi has now issued a statement confirming trump was indeed struck by a bullet, whether whole or fragmented, into smaller pieces . fragmented, into smaller pieces. meanwhile, the israeli prime minister has visited donald trump at his florida resort in a warning. the following footage we're about to show does contain some flashing photography. benjamin netanyahu rearranged his travel schedule to meet the

republican nominee a day after meeting president joe biden and his vice president, kamala harris. trump recently criticised netanyahu for israeli security failures around the october the 7th hamas attacks. it's thought the meeting could ease tensions, though, between the two, and that visit comes as an israeli airstrike has hit a school in central gaza. the military says it was targeting a hamas command centre inside the compound, which was being used to launch attacks against troops. israel defence forces added civilians were warned ahead of those strikes. gaza gaza's hamas run health ministry says at least 30 palestinians were killed and more than 100 people were injured . here people were injured. here meanwhile, asda workers will stage fresh strikes in their dispute over hours and pay. the gmb union says more than 170 of its members will walk out of the lowestoft store on the 9th of august. the last strike was held back in may, but gmb says senior

management seem to be burying their heads in the sand , as the their heads in the sand, as the though has rejected those claims from the union, saying that no action has been taken and is reassuring customers that the store will open as normal . and store will open as normal. and finally, a common mouth bacteria can melt certain cancers. scientists have discovered. researchers say that they were surprised to find that fusobacterium was found to help those with head and neck cancers. viable cancer cells were found to be reduced by 70 to 99%, and it's now being keenly studied at guy's and saint thomas's and king's college london. those are the latest headlines for now. i'm sam francis, back with you for another update in half an hour for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone , sign direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code, or go to gbnews.com >> forward slash alerts .

>> forward slash alerts. >> forward slash alerts. >> it is seven minutes after 4:00. good afternoon . welcome. 4:00. good afternoon. welcome. this is gb news. we are britain's news channel. we're live on tv, online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua. i'm sorry, but i can't stop laughing at this . it's the last laughing at this. it's the last suppen laughing at this. it's the last supper. what the hell is going on? unless you've been living under a rock , you could have under a rock, you could have possibly missed the havoc caused by the orchestrated arson attacks on the rail network in france responsible for bringing many, including athletes, to paris in time for the opening ceremony for the olympics, which aired last night. ceremony for the olympics, which aired last night . but after aired last night. but after seeing that many are wondering why they bothered a ceremony that looks as if it had been created by someone on a serious acid trip . it was a very watery acid trip. it was a very watery event which began on the river seine with 85 boats, with the athletes on board travelling through a lesson in french history. every stereotype was there. a woman in a dress covered in croissants , cancan

covered in croissants, cancan dancing. lady gaga gave a great performance. moulin rouge dancers and parkour on rooftops. there was a ring of fire in the sky and a recently refurbished notre dame cathedral, which featured. there were gaffes with country names. south korea was labelled north korea, you don't want to do that . they were want to do that. they were upside down flags and a headless marie antoinette. thank god for the closing performance, which was a rendition of edith piaf's hymn to love performed by celine dion, who is currently battling health issues. though i think god probably would have checked out by now after the woke parody of the last supper, which included a blue coloured character which could have easily been mistaken for iggle piggle from the night garden, who i thought was meant to be jesus. but that actually turned out to be dionysus , the greek out to be dionysus, the greek god of the theatre. around the table were dancers, models, fashion icons and drag queen nicky doll from the french version of rupaul's drag race.

one of them even looks like me on there . i think this was meant on there. i think this was meant to be some sort of fashion show with a female dj. many called it a woke parody of leonardo da vinci's last supper. it was shocking. on x, elon musk claimed the performance was extremely disrespectful to christians and i'm inclined to agree. remember what happened with charlie hebdo ? i can't with charlie hebdo? i can't imagine any other faith taking this lying down. the whole thing was bizarre. attended by an estimated 600,000 spectators, it was a four hour show full of technical glitches, bad audio and near torrential rain with people joking that they really needed to stop the boats . but needed to stop the boats. but before we get stuck into the debate, here's what else is coming up today for the great british debate. this hour, i'm asking, is an attack on christianity fair game? the organisers of the paris olympics opening ceremony think so as they made a parody of the last supper using drag queens. some of the great british debate this hour i'm asking, is an attack on

christianity. fair game . then at christianity. fair game. then at 450 it's royal roundup time. royal biographer angela levin will be here to give you the latest from behind the palace walls on the menu. prince harry, who said that the royal family did not take part in dealing with the uk media and it was the central piece of why he and his family don't get on. then, at five, my difficult conversations today was the sahil shirazi . today was the sahil shirazi. she'll be live in the studio to tell us about her brilliant work that she does. she's the founder of and trustee of auto immune support and awareness foundation. as ever. tell me what you think and everything we're discussing. email gb views @gbnews. com or post your comments gbnews.com/yoursay . comments gbnews.com/yoursay. right. so just coming up to 11 minutes after 4:00. let's welcome again my panel, broadcaster and columnist lizzie cundy. and as a former labour party adviser matthew lazar . party adviser matthew lazar. lizzie cundy, i'm starting with you. did you manage to observe the opening ceremony? >> sadly i did. i was watching it kind of between my eyes, behind the couch. oh

catastrophic is what i call it. and i think the french state should hang their heads in shame , should hang their heads in shame, i really do. they've not only insulted more than half of their own country, but the rest of the world. the olympics is supposed to bring everyone together and unite. all this did was insult and i was. i mean, leonardo da vinci must be turning in his grave. with that. i mean, what, by the way , of drag queens got by the way, of drag queens got to do with the olympics? i was totally embarrassed. i think france should be embarrassed. and would they have done this to other faiths? faiths would they have done this? you know, to hindu , islamic and other? you hindu, islamic and other? you know, i think it's really insulting. as a christian, i'm of roman catholic faith and i was totally shocked and so many others are too matthew laza. >> well, i mean, i think it wasn't the most triumphant of opening ceremonies. >> i didn't see the whole thing. >> i didn't see the whole thing. >> i've only seen the clips, but as far as the controversial, you know, selection of drag queens, i don't think it was insulting to christianity at all. >> the olympics should include

everybody. >> if we if we believe that, then that should include, drag queens. >> that should include having having a bit of a laugh. i mean, i do think that the olympics generally is massively overblown and, you know, you know, it should actually go back to its roots for being about, about sport and, and rather than , you sport and, and rather than, you know, every country trying to outdo itself in the opening ceremony , political, i mean, ceremony, political, i mean, remember hitler and all that. >> i mean, come on, it's been a massive political thing. >> yeah. no it has, but i think, you know, i think the more it's about sport, the less it's about sort of trying to put a country on the map, the better . sort of trying to put a country on the map, the better. i don't think paris, which is the most visited city in the world, needed particularly to, you know, to people are aware of it. its brand image is pretty high without the olympics. >> interestingly, i was just looking at who's coming next, which is la, and then brisbane in australia, but the one afterwards, stockholm in sweden is bidding for it on a very scaled down saying we're going to spend less money, we're going to spend less money, we're going to concentrate on the sport. >> and you know , and try and do >> and you know, and try and do it in a more sustainable way, which seems to me quite a good idea. >> but what about the fact that not only that, but they got things wrong, like north korea,

south korea? i mean, that's unforgivable. >> i mean, i thought dionysus looked like papa smurf. >> and then i got confused because there was a picture of. >> but there's a different one. yeah, i don't know why that was a different shot to the one. yeah, but you look like papa smurf. yeah, yeah. >> and i got confused because. because i thought, hang on, the smurfs are from belgium. are they just being nice to the belgians? but it turned out it was meant to be dionysus. >> and there would be nice to greek gods, but i didn't think. i thought that looks like the thing from the night garden. >> yeah, but this is the olympics. >> it's not musical theatre, matthew. i was totally embarrassed. >> we had the nhs beds being made and they had a brain, but i was there for the opening in this country in 2012. >> let me tell you, we were incredible next to this shambolic mess. >> wasn't that to work for you with all the stuff people were complaining in 2012 that the olympics opening ceremony with the with the sort of hymn to the nhs and lots of kind of symbols of our industrial past, was all a kind of woke labour left wing conspiracy who gave the woke bngade conspiracy who gave the woke brigade charge of this whole event. >> they , they honestly, it was

>> they, they honestly, it was embarrassing and it was insulting. >> i don't think it was for the best, the best run ceremony ever. but i don't think that the problem with that was having the was having a few drag queens in it for a couple of minutes. i think clearly their ambition of trying to do it on the river, i'm trying to do it on the river was was a little overambitious. i think next, next time in four years it'll be back in the stadium. >> did they not think that would inqu >> did they not think that would insult the christian faith? did they not think of that? >> there is a whether it's even meant to be other faiths. >> i actually think it's appalling what they did. and i don't know who was in charge. but the french state should really have a good look at themselves today because my friends that were also jewish, or other people who haven't got faith even said, why? why did they do that ? they do that? >> well, you know, do they want to be specifically religious? >> they want to be in sort of and i, i thought that france did brilliantly yesterday after these appalling attacks to actually they did actually get some trains moving again in the afternoon. >> and they obviously despite the rain and the few glitches, pulled off a ceremony which if nothing else, was memorable, well, for the wrong reasons, perhaps for all the wrong

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mocked one of the holiest scenes in the christian faith and that when they just look a bit like me, she's the one there, that one there. so for the great british debate that's out, i'm asking, is an attack on christianity fair game? well, to discuss this, joining me, associate editor of the catholic herald , doctor gavin ashenden herald, doctor gavin ashenden and director of the oxford islamic centre, doctor shaky ramsey, and also political commentator stephen carlton—woods . okay. so doctor carlton—woods. okay. so doctor gavin ashenden, i want to start with you, what were your thoughts on this is it is it fair game for them to do this ? fair game for them to do this? >> well, it's interesting. you should use the phrase a game. >> i don't think it's a game at all. >> i think it's a war. we're involved in culture wars and we're involved in a very serious conflict between different ways of life. and what we saw in the mockery was that, the creator of this particular artistic piece decided to attack christianity at its heart. the heart is jesus. the heart is jesus in the holy mass. and the da vinci tableau is probably the most iconic representation of that .

iconic representation of that. why did they do that, one of our leading, theologians, a man called bishop barron, who's an american catholic bishop, said they did it because they're frightened of us. this is we. we are the greatest threat to their way of life. and in a way, that's quite right. there's a there's a kind of compliment in it, the sexualization of children, which drag queen represents the anarchy of sexuality , which it represents sexuality, which it represents as well, is not good for society. all the, all the, all the indicators are that we live in a period of increasing mental health and the kind of lifestyle that's being promoted is actually dangerous. so this is an outright conflict. >> it's a culture war between the society that built christendom and all the things we're grateful for , including we're grateful for, including free speech and something that despises it and hates it enough to mock it in public. >> but surely, like you said , >> but surely, like you said, free speech would mean that this sort of symbol we should be able to handle that because we live in a place where freedom of speech is, you know, and that is a freedom of expression there. surely we should be able to deal

with that. gavin, just if you just come back on that. >> well and we are nana. >> well and we are nana. >> so thank you so much for setting up a conversation which can take place. >> but you see, i think christians have been much too apologetic in in the face of drag queens, much to apologetic in front of gender dysphoria. you know, we've said, well , you know, we've said, well, we're we're sorry if you don't quite like the moral rules we have. you know, we're we're sorry if you find a bit constricting, the fact is they're dreadfully dangerous to society . society is society. society is disintegrating under our feet and the and the people who set this particular pastiche up are the ones who are destroying it. and i think the response is, christians must come out fighting and say, you know, it's disgusting, it's dangerous. it's decaying, it's decadent, and it will damage people very badly. we have a better way of life. follow jesus, follow us. >> well, of course, i mean, drag queens would argue that they're not all those things. they would just argue that they are just, you know , enjoying their you know, enjoying their sexuality and perhaps dressing up in however they're doing and they're not harming anyone. that's freedom of speech, freedom, freedom of speech, freedom, freedom of speech, freedom of expression . that's

freedom of expression. that's what they would say. >> doctor shaky ramsey and we and too. us >> yes, doctor shaky ramsey. >> yes, doctor shaky ramsey. >> yes, doctor shaky ramsey. >> yes , of course. as i said, as >> yes, of course. as i said, as i second my honourable friend, friend and next to me and i would like to say it is it is an insult. is it an insult to christianity which i can't bear. i, as a muslim can't bear because we are brothers. and one thing i tell you, it is not a fair game. it is a it is a blasphemy. is it next to the blasphemy? if it was 2000 years ago or so, they would have. and it is still in the christianity is a blasphemy. you don't go completely and destroy the destroyed. of course, as you can see, i can see the, leonardo da vinci. portrait of last supper there. each is a this last supper is a base. if you look at each one with the reaction, with the hand reaction or what? the face reaction with the close reaction . you say, i'm writing reaction. you say, i'm writing a book on that, which it shows the

story of the bible and the story of the bible. it is a bible therefore, for example, for example, when you say the peter, the holding hand like this. no, no, no, the jesus said three times, you're going to deny me. it said, no , jesus, no. and it said, no, jesus, no. and after that he denied. and the christ and of course , the, you christ and of course, the, you can see the iscariot. iscariot. got, judas iscariot got a silver in his hand. and the next door to it is a one of the great or great disciple , great disciple great disciple, great disciple of god, great disciple of jesus , of god, great disciple of jesus, must not be joked. and what you have a dagger, which of course is a story is a story. the bible. when somebody insult the jesus and he cut his ear, cut the man's ear off, and jesus take the take the ear and put it back and everything was okay. he said, this is , these are. and said, this is, these are. and the person who got the finger up, he says, until when? the jesus says said jesus resurrected, he said, until i put my finger in the in the, in

the in the chest of the jesus to see if he is alive or not. i don't believe it. therefore, these are for example, of course, that person. if you put the finger, it goes in a life does not. but these are character. these are the bible , character. these are the bible, these are the verse of the bible. you must not take a mickey of the verse of the bible. you insult the insult. the three religion, which is the muslim, christian and jews. >> what do you think though , >> what do you think though, steven, that we are getting a bit too well , getting a bit to bit too well, getting a bit to hurt your feelings on this because and do you think it's an influence of maybe other religions that are making us, that are pushing us in this direction? or do you think that actually it is quite offensive for, for, for this particular imagery? stephen carlton—woods. >> well , i imagery? stephen carlton—woods. >> well, i think the, the church of england in particular have always been open to criticism at stages , stages, >> but this has gone quite far now, this, past 24 hours. if you look at the opening ceremony, anyway, the artistic license that was used was done in bad

taste, as far as i'm concerned. and it was one of the worst opening ceremonies i've ever seen in my lifetime. but taking that on to people being upset about, this artistic license in particular, we've seen in the past when the life of brian was made, dan brown's book , the da made, dan brown's book, the da vinci code, where the pope actually stepped in and condemned that book. so the certain people within religion are going to get upset, and we should always be able to have an open debate and discuss this going forward. but we've seen too many times other religions take great offence at the very smallest amounts of criticism. so i think every religion should be open to criticism and people making fair comments, but to tear them apart or do something in bad taste? i'm sorry , i can, in bad taste? i'm sorry, i can, i can comment. >> what's a fair comment? is that comment is that, for example, the drag queen drag queen come and taken mickey of the mickey of the foundation of

the mickey of the foundation of the christianity which we respect. we totally. we are christian, if anybody says, who are you? i say i'm christian, muslim and jews . therefore muslim and jews. therefore therefore foundation of the christianity they are attacking few drag queen attacking and they say it's a fair game. what is the fair game? you have to respect what gay people insulting the intelligence of the people, insulting the people , the people, insulting the people, insulting the christianity. and after that say, oh, we have to tolerate tolerate what you. if it was , somebody was saying to it was, somebody was saying to our prophet, peace be upon him who says lots of things would happen. therefore i say always, i said, you kick my backside, but don't say anything about my, my, my prophet , because it is in my, my prophet, because it is in my, my prophet, because it is in my heart. >> but what about what about allowed to do that? i'm talking let let steven finish off. steven, just finish off what you were saying, yeah . were saying, yeah. >> well, i know people are upset, and we wouldn't be here talking about this unless people were upset. and we can see the passion here, of what's going

on. but thinking outside of all that , i'm on. but thinking outside of all that, i'm not in religion as such. and, it does irritate me. how offence. how people take offence with other religions , offence with other religions, people get murdered because of. they've said something against the religion, which is quite ridiculous. and, the christianity has been a lot more lenient than that years. this could be the problem. they have. they been too lenient for too long. do you think there's a point of no return now? so. but what about how do we go forward with this? >> well , what with this? >> well, what about gavin? and we'll finish with you. gavin. what about the comment that steven made? actually, with regard to the life of brian? i mean, that's comedy. that's great. that's comedy gold. so why why is this or is it comedy gold? do you think the life of bnan gold? do you think the life of brian is funny? >> and i'm sure you know that one of the things john cleese made very clear was he wasn't talking about jesus. he was talking about jesus. he was talking about jesus. he was talking about brian. it was a story about brian and rather stupid religious people. and it's terribly funny. it wasn't about jesus. this is about jesus. and i think the thing is

this gloves are off. we don't we don't take revenge. we don't. we don't take revenge. we don't. we don't kill people. we don't destroy people. but you know what? we'll tell the truth about drag queens. now, what was that child doing in there? what is this? why do drag queens so interested in children in public libraries? what is the why is the way in which the sexualization of people with gender dysphoria seems to be aimed to, to, to sexualise children? do you want we will repay the compliment by telling the truth about drag queens. they won't like it either. that's why they're so cross. they essentially because they know the truth. and they we know we're calling them out on using sex as a perversion . that's one sex as a perversion. that's one of the reasons why they've come out with this attack . out with this attack. >> well, you know what? they would argue that they're not harming anybody. they're simply just expressing themselves. freedom of expression both ways. and it works both ways . and they and it works both ways. and they would say that it's nothing to do with children at all. finally, to you, you've got about 10s my apology free speech is okay, but not free to abuse and insult. >> a speech sometime doesn't go forever. well, you cannot go in the in the in the full theatre and say fire, fire and the storm

coming. therefore, if you've got a limitation, this goes up to the limitation is abuse. he these people abused me, abused my religion, which is a, intertwined with the christianity. and that is not right. i have been insulted and i listen , christianity should go. >> for what? i have to go for the goes against them. i thank you very much . the goes against them. i thank you very much. i the goes against them. i thank you very much . i have to go to you very much. i have to go to the news, apologies to interrupt that because it's fascinating that because it's fascinating that you of your thoughts. so finally. yes. or no is an attack on christianity fair game? gavin? yes. or no? >> it's a culture war. nana. we're right in it. we're fighting to win, doctor ramsey. >> yes, or no? >> no. no fair! it's a blasphemy. they don't talk about fair game to me. god, there is nothing. no, no, no , it's just nothing. no, no, no, it's just yes or no. yes or 110. >> yes or no. >> it'sjust yes or no. >> it's just yes or no . stephen >> it's just yes or no. stephen stephen carlton—woods. yes or no? is it fair game ? no? is it fair game? >> it should always be open. >> it should always be open. >> yeah. all right. so that's that. yes or no? is it fair game.

>> the debate should always be open okay. >> the debate should always be open. crikey. to know. yes or no from either of you. clear off. no.thank from either of you. clear off. no. thank you very much. really good to talk to you, doctor. gavin ashenden. doctor shake ramsey and also stephen carlton—woods. thank you so much. right so what do you think? gbnews.com/yoursay i'm nana. this is gb news. we're live on tv, online and on digital radio. coming up, we'll continue with the great british debate this hour. and i'm asking, is an attack on christianity fair game? you'll hear the thoughts of my panel. lizzie cundy and matthew laza still to come, difficult conversations as al shirazi will be here live to tell us about the work that she does. she's the work that she does. she's the founder and trustee of the autoimmune support and awareness foundation. first, though , let's foundation. first, though, let's get your latest news headlines with sam francis . with sam francis. >> very good afternoon to you. it's just after half past four. the top story from the newsroom this hour. 1000 police officers have been deployed as a rally

led by tommy robinson is being held in central london. thousands are marching through the city, waving flags and chanting. we want our country back. they're waving, weaving their way through the streets, taking the course from the royal courts of justice through to trafalgar square and posting on x, the social media platform. ahead of the event, mr robinson said it would be the biggest patriotic rally the uk has ever seen. protests by stand up to racism and jeremy corbyn's peace and justice project are also being held today, and police are using powers under the public order act to keep those opposing groups apart in sport , cyclist groups apart in sport, cyclist anna henderson has won silver for team gb on the streets of paris in the women's individual time trial. on the first official day of the olympics, she finished behind australia's grace brown, who took gold . it grace brown, who took gold. it means great britain is currently sitting third on the medal table, with china leading and australia in second, and that

silver medal comes after earlier divers yasmin harper and scarlett mew. jensen got great britain off to the mark with bronze in the synchronised three metre springboard event. they made history, claiming the first gb women's diving medal in 64 years. china took gold and the us took silver and the prime minister has congratulated those two divers for their efforts. sir keir starmer is in paris , sir keir starmer is in paris, where he's also been speaking to british athletes, wishing them luck as they prepare for their respective events. last night he attended the opening ceremony and posted a video on social media telling those competing the whole country is behind them . the whole country is behind them. meanwhile, though, eurostar passengers hoping to travel to paris for the games are still facing disruption after arson attacks on french rail networks ahead of the games. 1 in 4 trains aren't running this weekend, with the operator saying that four have been cancelled today. travellers are being told to postpone their journeys if possible . the chief journeys if possible. the chief constable of greater manchester

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welcome back. 39 minutes after 4:00. this is gb news. we are britain's news channel. i'm nana akua. right. let's return to the great british debate this round i'm asking, is an attack on christianity fair game. and of course, christians around the world have been heavily criticising a controversial reimagining of leonardo da vinci's most famous painting of the last supper. if you're watching on tv, although there's a thing in the way, so you can't quite see the picture of the last supper, but above it is the depiction of it with the drag queens. and there was a blue thing there, and the one with

the blonde actually looks a little bit like me. i've got a dress like that, but this is what was there in the opening ceremony at the olympic games in paris. they said that it mocked one of the holiest scenes in the christian faith . so i'm asking christian faith. so i'm asking you for the great british debate. this hour is an attack on christianity fair game. because after all, that is what it was perceived to be. let's see what my panel make of that. joining me, broadcaster and columnist lizzie cundy, also former labour party adviser matthew lazar . you look nice matthew lazar. you look nice with the lights behind you there. matthew laza. is that me or lizzie? >> that was lizzie, wasn't it? >> that was lizzie, wasn't it? >> you, would you like. >> you, would you like. >> you, would you like. >> you want me to comment on the actual topic. >> look, >> look, i »— >> look, i mean, i >> look, i mean, i think >> look, i mean, i think all religion should be fair game for all religions should be treated in the same way. >> i think that it's absolutely fine. we should laugh at everything in life because that's the way you get through life. but i don't think we should cause gratuitous offence to people of any faith, and i think therefore it's always a fine. it's a fine line, but i don't think that it should be okay to mock christianity and not okay to mock another religion. i think we should, you know, have a line, which is that

we can, you know, laugh everything. but satire is a key part of our british character, but that we shouldn't unduly cause offence to people. so i think that this was obviously on the edge in paris, you know. but, but but generally we must treat all faiths the same, >> lizzie cundy , what's your >> lizzie cundy, what's your view on this? >> well, we're not treating all faiths the same, are we? why why is it always christianity? they're able to take a pop at? because maybe they think there won't be any comeback. i think it's totally disgusting. look, i was brought up in a convent. i was brought up in a convent. i was brought up with nuns. me too. and, i'm still friends with them, actually. and i know, i know, many of them would be really, really upset about that. my mum is really upset about it. and the olympic games for me is to bring people unite people together. this is a massive gaffe , a massive misjudgement, gaffe, a massive misjudgement, and i am totally appalled with it. i actually think i might not even watch it from now because it's overshadowed the athletes. >> hold on though, what about the life of brian ? isn't that funny? >> well, yes. yes. >> well, yes. yes. >> yeah, it is funny, but this

isn't supposed to be a comedy show. >> this isn't a the opening ceremony is supposed to be a drag act. it's not supposed to be. it's not the moulin rouge. it's the olympics that they're actually. what would it if it had been the other way round? if it was the islamic faith? yeah or jew, it wouldn't be. there'd be uproar about it. >> isn't that what separates us from the other many other religions? that we are able to laugh at ourselves? i mean, do you think that we've become sort of a bit sensitised because we've seen other religions like islam that would not tolerate that in a heartbeat at all? and i think we shouldn't lose that ability to laugh at it. yeah. the ability to laugh. absolutely. i was laughing at that blonde one who doesn't look like me. >> i mean, i'm saying nothing. >> i mean, i'm saying nothing. >> if i said that, i would get killed by both of you , killed by both of you, >> you can take her pick. >> you can take her pick. >> i love drag queens. >> i love drag queens. >> i love drag queens. >> i love drag queens, but i don't want them at the olympics. it's no place. and that is. why not? >> don't be exclusionary. >> don't be exclusionary. >> it's insulting. france should hang their heads in france is, after all, is very deliberately after all, is very deliberately a secular state. whoever did this , whoever was the revelation this, whoever was the revelation of this woke face. that was a

nonsense. should be actually pulled into line. >> i mean, i'm lucky. keep smiling. >> that's the only way to get through. >> i'm laughing at it. there was one blue one that looked like igglepiggle, but i am informed it was dionysus, the god of the theatre, greek god of the theatre, greek god of the theatre, but yeah, i thought it was hilarious, actually. but again, look, i mean, there's me, there's me, there's one. >> where's where's me? and matthew? >> who are you? you're that blonde one at the back. >> oh, right. >> oh, right. >> i don't like being matthew's got. got something on his head. yeah, yeah. >> because i've, i've got to have a with something on because. >> but this is like this is supposed to be such a huge, you know , amazing event. you've got know, amazing event. you've got 6000 athletes. there were 3000 performers. and all we're talking about is this and i they've it's i think it's a massive error on their i think it's france showing its diversity, its sense of humour to the world. >> and so why didn't they do it about other faiths. >> why just christianity charlie hebdo we remember that. >> yeah, absolutely. >> yeah, absolutely. >> but i think that will stay in their brains. >> yes. >> yes. >> but also i think this was this was massively less offensive proportionately to christians because they have a

sense of humour. well, you could say that , but also because it say that, but also because it wasn't. i think technically it wasn't. i think technically it wasn't meant to be the last suppen >> the art director, probably it isn't moulin rouge, matthew. >> well, that's the point. >> well, that's the point. >> well, that's the point. >> well, they had moulin rouge there to be fair to them and cancan dance, this is the last suppen cancan dance, this is the last supper, and none of them were french. >> where was vanessa to parody? >> where was vanessa to parody? >> what do you have ? vanessa >> what do you have? vanessa pearl davis down. yeah, that's. >> maybe she'd be at the closing ceremony. >> maybe. maybe that's the thing. listen, what do you think ? thing. listen, what do you think? gbnews.com/yoursay your thoughts as ever, this show is nothing without you and your views. let's welcome our great british voices. their opportunity to be on the show and tell us what they think about the topics we're discussing. where should we're discussing. where should we go? structure. let's have a chat with adrian, joe, adrian, adrian . hi, nana. hello. what do adrian. hi, nana. hello. what do you think? are you offended? >> well , i you think? are you offended? >> well, i think i start off with. >> i've got to say , you know, a >> i've got to say, you know, a high renaissance painting, from milan , milan, >> what the hell's that got to do with the paris olympics? >> to start off with? so actually, to use that image to

attack christianity is nothing more than just that. it is an attack on christianity, a gratuitous attack on christianity, which is totally unnecessary . unnecessary. >> well, what about what? what isn't? but but what about the life of brian? even though they said brian isn't jesus or whatever? i mean, he was put on a cross and everything that's supposed to be funny. that was a film about that was a film about brian. >> it was not a film about about jesus christ. >> you could say that it was very close resemblance to what? i mean, like, you could say that. but he was, you know, he was on a cross and everything else like that, and it did it. you know. >> yeah. at the time, there were a lot of people who were who were well, i mean, look at that interview with malcolm muggeridge. malcolm muggeridge was hugely offended by, by that movie. as one can remember in that debate on on television, but what i'm saying is nana is that if you were to have a

proper secularism, for example , proper secularism, for example, that would have much more effect on the people, be much more up in arm. yeah and usual attack on, on christianity and actually wasn't. >> so i've got to go, adrian, because because i could talk to you for ages. we're going to have a longer chat another time. adrian. jail. i have to go because angela levin is waiting in the wings, and she. she's not happy. if you eat into her time, she'll come for you. adrian. jail. thank you very much. she's a great british voice thanks. angela levin giving us the latest from behind palace walls with my roundup. don't miss it. >> yep

>> there's always something going on in the royal household . going on in the royal household. and who better to give us a rundown than royal biographer angela levin? angela. hello right, where should we start the whinge fest? >> well , i've been whinge fest? >> well, i've been boiling over with anger, actually . i mean, i with anger, actually. i mean, i spent a lot of time, 15 months

with harry when i did his biography , and he was always biography, and he was always lively. he's a twinkly eyes and smile, ready for a joke, ready for something sarcastic but not nasty . nasty. >> and seeing him and the itv documentary about tabloids on trial. >> he had nothing in his face. >> he had nothing in his face. >> he looked so miserable. >> he looked so miserable. >> he looked absolutely , dull. >> he looked absolutely, dull. he had nothing. he was so depressed. and i thought, you know, you're such a silly man. you married the woman you loved . you married the woman you loved. >> even though she might be difficult. >> you loved her. you fell for her. you got two children, one of each 16 bathrooms. for goodness sake , move on. and he goodness sake, move on. and he doesn't seem to want to. but what i found awful was his , what i found awful was his, undercover rudeness to the royal family. >> i mean, ijust read family. >> i mean, i just read you. >> i mean, i just read you. >> he said . >> i mean, i just read you. >> he said. first of >> i mean, i just read you. >> he said . first of all, he >> he said. first of all, he wants to stop all the tabloids, and he says no one else in the

world was better placed than me . world was better placed than me. >> i remember that bit. >> i remember that bit. >> yeah, that's a shocking bit, isn't it? >> because he's a prince, so he has endless funds, so he doesn't need to worry about being sued or made bankrupt because he'll always have money. i think that's the point. >> next one, when in a public role, these are the things that should be done for the greatest good. >> that is telling his father off how to be a better monarch. >> i mean, i can't imagine how rude that is and how hurtful it is . and he's also when he says is. and he's also when he says all this about himself, forgetting that actually all the things that he did were he was so rude about all the family and he thinks that's fine, it doesn't matter. it's sort of gone out. he's got his own way of thinking. what the truth is . of thinking. what the truth is. and i think he's he's just getting appalling. absolutely appalling. i think it's a great shame. >> and the thing he's been saying about meghan , that what saying about meghan, that what he hates about the papers, which is actually he can't control at

all, it means he doesn't want any papers , is that they're any papers, is that they're talking about knives and he doesn't want he won't let his wife come because there are knives. >> so it is dangerous, but it's not so dangerous. >> he would be protected by people. >> and he said, that's why i won't allow her to come here. well, three weeks ago, he was saying that he wanted to come here to buy a house in windsor so he could spend time with the children and her, so you don't know what he's talking about. one minute he's coming, next minute he's not coming, it's all a terrible muddle. i don't feel sorry for him. i feel that he's actually let down his family. and the more he goes on that they should be joining in it with him . they should take part with him. they should take part of trying to stop the tabloids coming out, but, you know , if coming out, but, you know, if you think that charles has got, cancer and his sister in law has got cancer, the last thing they're going to do is to get to

on something like that and get involved . it doesn't seem to involved. it doesn't seem to think it's going to be 40 in september, which is hard to believe because he really behaves like a teenager and he doesn't see to think about someone else's position. is this a sensible time to bring this up? >> well, you would argue that what he's doing there is a crusade for other people, and he's the best person to do it. >> he does feel he's doing a crusade, but he shouldn't bring his family in because they've got other things to worry about. and i'm very important. but the irony is that his his bad behaviour, the high court judge has said to him that he's got to find a lot of documentation, that he's got rid of because he's very busy attacking one more newspaper, but he's thrown away all the evidence. and the judge has said he's got to find it. well, that's very difficult. but it's, he won't he won't be able to do it, but he won't be able to do it, but he won't be able to do it, but he won't be able to take the case for it. but that hasn't come into his

mind either. so it's just a big, big mess. >> it's a big mess. and thank goodness we're not in it. it's a sticky mess. maybe he could use one of meghan's jams to get out of it. and 11, thank you very much. you're with me. i'm nana akua. this is gp news live on tv, online and on digital radio. still to come my difficult conversations. thank you so much to the fabulous angela levin. do not go anywhere. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on gb news >> good afternoon and welcome to your gb news weather update brought to you by the met office. well, it's been quite an unsettled start to the weekend with sunny spells and showers, but it is going to be turning dner but it is going to be turning drier and much warmer by the time we reach sunday. and the reason for this unsettled start is we have a frontal system moving its way in from the west, and that's brought with it some showers and some outbreaks of rain. now we could see some showers lingering onto the evening. perhaps the odd heavy

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sunshine across the country too. we may just start to see a bit more cloud feed into western parts of northern ireland and western parts of scotland, too. by the time we reach the afternoon, but otherwise plenty of dry weather, some warm sunshine and highs of 26 across the southeast. but elsewhere temperatures improved and mostly in the low 20s. so a dry evening to come. but that cloud will continue to thicken in the west, with some, perhaps some outbreaks of rain overnight, too, and turning fairly blustery here as well. and as we head into next week, there'll be plenty of dry to weather come, perhaps some thunderstorms by midweek. that's it from me. bye for now . for now. >> looks like things are heating up boxt boilers sponsors of weather

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digital radio. i'm nana akua. and for the next hour , me and my and for the next hour, me and my panel will be taking on some of the big topics. hitting the headunes the big topics. hitting the headlines right now. coming up, joining me for my difficult conversations. my guest is the founder of auto immune support and awareness foundation, azal shirazi. she'll be joined by doctor and trustee professor mottahedeh, then for the great british debate. i'm asking, would you join the police as record numbers of police are quitting the force? but first, let's get your latest . let's get your latest. news. >> nana, thank you very much and good evening to you. it is exactly 5:00 on the top story from the newsroom tonight . from the newsroom tonight. thousands of people have gathered in central london for a march led by tommy robinson. the rally is making its way through the city with chants of we want our country back. posting on social media ahead of the event, mr robinson claimed it would be the biggest patriotic rally the uk has ever seen. around 1000

police officers are on the streets of the capital to keep the peace, as opposing demonstrations are also taking place well to the olympics , and place well to the olympics, and cyclist anna henderson has won silver for team gb on the first official day of the paris games , official day of the paris games, she was competing in the women's individual time trial and finished behind australia's grace brown. it means great britain is currently sitting third on the medal table, with china leading and australia in second. european champion josh tarling is looking to add to her success in the men's event this afternoon and earlier. divers yasmin harper and scarlett mew jensen got great britain off the mark with bronze in the synchronised three metre springboard event. they made history claiming the first gb women's diving medal in 64 years. china took gold and the us took silver and the prime minister has congratulated those two divers for their efforts after they claimed team gb's first medal at the games so far. sir keir starmer is in paris, where he's also been speaking to

british athletes , wishing them british athletes, wishing them luck as they prepare for their respective events. and last night he attended the opening ceremony and posted a video on social media telling those competing that the whole country is behind them . meanwhile, is behind them. meanwhile, though , eurostar passengers are though, eurostar passengers are still facing travel disruptions after arson attacks on the french rail network ahead of the games, 1 in 4 trains aren't running this weekend, with the operator saying four have already been cancelled today and travellers are being told to postpone their journeys if possible . well, in other news, possible. well, in other news, the number of migrants who've illegally crossed the english channel this year has now passed 16,000 people. around 350 were intercepted today, 80 of them rescued from a sinking inflatable. a french border vessel had been escorting the overcrowded boat into uk waters when it reportedly began rapidly deflating. the new labour government is vowing to smash the smuggling gangs and is setting up a border security command to tackle the crisis .

command to tackle the crisis. the chief constable of greater manchester police says video footage of an officer seemingly kicking and stamping on a man at the city's airport is, he says, a source of profound regret. stephen watson insists the force is committed to supporting a criminal investigation into the officer's behaviour. and it comes after the mayor of greater manchester appealed for a rigorous and a swift investigation into allegations of assault. the police watchdog says it's now looking into the incident and will determine whether the officer's use of force was acceptable in the us. the fbi has u—turned over claims that donald trump may not have been hit by a bullet at a rally in pennsylvania. it comes after fbi director christopher wray had told lawmakers the former president's injury could have been caused by glass. that, though, has been denied by former white house doctor ronny jackson, who described the comment as wrong and inappropriate. the fbi has now issued a statement confirming trump was struck by a bullet,

whether that was whole or fragmented into smaller pieces, and staying in the us . and staying in the us. meanwhile, the israeli prime minister has visited donald trump at his florida resort and a warning the following footage we're about to show does contain some flashing photography. benjamin netanyahu rearranged his travel schedule to meet the republican nominee a day after meeting president joe biden and vice president kamala harris. trump recently criticised netanyahu for israeli security failures around the october the 7th hamas attack. it's thought, though, the meeting could ease tensions between the two men and that visit comes as an israeli airstrike has hit a school in central gaza. the military says it was targeting a hamas command centre inside that compound, which was being used to launch attacks against troops. israel defence forces added. civilians were warned ahead of the strike, gaza's hamas run health ministry says at least 30 palestinians were killed and more than 100 injured. back here at home, asda

workers will stage a fresh strike in their dispute over hours and pay. the gmb union says more than 170 of its members will walk out of the lowestoft store on the 9th of august, the last strike was held back in may, but gmb says senior management seem to be burying their heads in the sand. but asda has rejected those claims from the union that no action has been taken and is reassuring customers that the store will open as normal . well, those are open as normal. well, those are the latest headlines for now, i'm sam francis. your next update at 5:30 for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code or go to gbnews.com forward slash alerts . slash alerts. >> thank you. sam, this is gb news. we're live on tv, online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua and for the next hour me and my panel will be taking on

some of the big topics hitting the headlines. right now. this show is all about opinion . it's show is all about opinion. it's mine, it's theirs. and of course it's yours. we'll be debating, discussing and at times we will disagree. but no one will be cancelled. so joining me today is author and broadcaster lizzie cundy and also former labour party adviser matthew laza. coming up, my difficult conversations today is with azal shirazi, who will be joined by doctor professor mr habib after she was diagnosed with a rare autoimmune condition in 2005. despite the challenges, she has rebuilt her life and career. you will not want to miss that story. many people suffer with autoimmune conditions. then for the great british debate this houn the great british debate this hour, i'm asking would you join the police record number of police officers are quitting as unfair pay and rock bottom morale is blamed for the low retention rates. and then for my mini debate, could free speech be under threat? we'll be discussing that and more. send me your thoughts, post your comments gbnews.com/yoursay .

comments gbnews.com/yoursay. right. it's coming up to eight minutes after 5:00. and of course, it's time for this week's difficult conversations. joining me live azal shirazi, also professor mousavi, if i said that right, professor, because it's like wasabi but mousavi like wasabi. that wasabi. all right, so let's start with you because so many people i know suffer with autoimmune conditions. i'm one of them. i have one of those autoimmune conditions. when your immune system goes rogue on you. yeah. talk to me about you , your yeah. talk to me about you, your condition, whatever you can tell us. of course. and how you got yourself in. well, thanks very much for having me. first of all, a long time ago , i was diagnosed. >> i had lots of symptoms. >> i had lots of symptoms. >> symptoms of everything. >> symptoms of everything. >> but nothing went back and forth to the gp. >> like what? what symptoms ? >> like what? what symptoms? >> like what? what symptoms? >> excuse me? tiredness >> excuse me? tiredness >> extreme lethargy. >> extreme lethargy. >> appetite changes. >> appetite changes.

>> skin changes. >> skin changes. >> all sorts of things. >> all sorts of things. >> couldn't sleep , then couldn't >> couldn't sleep, then couldn't wake up, back and forth to the gp for 2 or 3 years. i was put on hormones. i was told that i'm pre menopausal, that it's all in my mind. it's fictitious, eventually i took myself to a rheumatologist. he did one blood test and an x ray. rheumatologist. he did one blood test and an x ray . excuse rheumatologist. he did one blood test and an x ray. excuse me. and he said, sat me down and said, you've got , a rare said, you've got, a rare autoimmune condition called diffuse systemic scleroderma . diffuse systemic scleroderma. it's heart and lung specific. you've got 4 to 6 months to live. oh, wow. if the medication doesn't, doesn't suit you. >> yeah. and how long ago was this? >> this was about, 18 years ago. wow, i responded quite well to the medication. they're immunosuppressants . i take them immunosuppressants. i take them daily and with weekly injections and every so many months, every

three months, i go in for a week long infusion, i was determined at that time that i was not going to let it rule my life, that i was going to take control, because at the end of the day, it's my own immune system, i was told there was in my instance, there was no genetic disposition. it was just rogue. anyway, i did a lot of research, and i've basically dedicated myself to making sure that there is enough information out there . did you know that out there. did you know that autoimmune conditions are basically an epidemic now, one out of every two people will come across cancer in their lifetime. the rest of them is autoimmune condition and cancers are related to autoimmunity. cancer itself to a certain extent, some cancers or, a

dysfunction of the immune system where they don't recognise rogue cells. i feel that in those two, three years that i was misdiagnosed , if the primary misdiagnosed, if the primary care system had enough education and information and was up to date, i would not be suffering the kind of things i'm suffering now. there's a lot of, damage that's irreversible because of all the hormones and steroids and everything. they gave me because it was like missing. he tried to give me so many things to see which one would work, but in fact, i just had to give me a blood test, and i want to standardise 2 or 3 testing for absolutely everybody, because it is an epidemic. last year there was a study by various distinguished uk establishments like universities, imperial college and things . they did

college and things. they did a study on 22 million people, 1 in 10 have got an autoimmune condition, 10% of the population now has got an autoimmunity. and it is exacerbated by viruses like covid and other viruses. >> professor, why why is this becoming such a big epidemic? what is it about the way we are living now that seems to be, you know, so many people i know have an autoimmune condition. >> i think, first of all, nana, i think it's just the environment that we live in, that viruses are coming about. covet was the biggest one. >> a lot of the damage as as i said from covid patients, was the autoimmune issues that they had. that's why they were on high dose steroids that helped them. >> so it's just the environment, the industrialisation, the food that we eat, the environment that we eat, the environment that we eat, the environment that we have, the pollution

around it, the bodies forming, issues on, on its own. that's why it's called autoimmune. >> why is it that there not more investment in it though? because it feels like there are lots of them. but there's these little individual charities each doing something individual. but there doesn't seem when it was covid, the vaccine, everyone came together and worked it out. but this is your immune system attacking you. it is a rogue. it's a change. if they could maybe solve one of these, that could have an implication for all the others , surely the all the others, surely the problem is it masquerades so many different conditions, so you know, it could be a heart condition, it could be a lung condition, it could be a lung condition, it could be a lung condition, it could be the appearance, it could be anything. >> so each one of us in medicine have a different subspecialty. so those can come on the autoimmune to an extent. and this masquerading is a problem. and later diagnosis as as i was saying. >> so what's your speciality in autoimmune conditions. >> well mine mine is to try to make the look better because it also affects the look that causes tightening those skin.

people can't open their mouth properly. and those issues and also the having problem with moving their fingers that not enough blood supply goes to the finger. so those issues are very commonly known as as a classical autoimmune disease. but before they get there, if they can be treated and not get the end result, it'd be much, much better. >> well, why does it affect the mouth ? is it the is it the mouth? is it the is it the attack on the, so what happens in autoimmune disease body attacks the blood supply to the areas . areas. >> so when you don't have enough blood supply to the skin, skin starts shrinking and becoming scars. and it becomes tightened. it doesn't move properly. it can't open it properly. some people can't even brush your teeth properly. they can't go to the dentist. so it's quite horrible , actually. horrible, actually. >> oh wow. so in my instance, for example, i've got several overlapping autoimmune conditions , the few systemic conditions, the few systemic scleroderma and sjogren's and reynolds for example ,

reynolds for example, scleroderma is shutting down the blood supply to my, internal organs as well as my extremities. my nose is shrinking and it collapses on its on itself . so i have its on itself. so i have breathing problems. my mouth is the blood supply is going away from it, it's dying and it shnnks. from it, it's dying and it shrinks . so i choke from it, it's dying and it shrinks. so i choke on my from it, it's dying and it shrinks . so i choke on my own shrinks. so i choke on my own tongue when i sleep, and i have tongue when i sleep, and i have to have 5 or 6 pillows every night. i've just. the professor has reconstructed my ear because it shrunk and the shape had changed, so it's affecting my heanng changed, so it's affecting my hearing , i don't make saliva. hearing, i don't make saliva. i've just literally taken a tablet to help me. speak. and i have saliva in my mouth , have saliva in my mouth, otherwise, i i'm losing all my teeth because saliva is one of the things that actually protects your teeth from all falling out. but i think the

main issue is the fact that there is a lack of education, a lack of knowledge amongst mass population, of how to deal with these things, because it's not just the sufferer , it's, it's just the sufferer, it's, it's the family of the sufferer people, employment people where you work at, they they don't know how to deal with your symptoms or whatever it is that is wrong with you. there's just not enough education with regard to covid. there was, so much information, but with something like this, which is an epidemic and on the rise by about 10% a yean and on the rise by about 10% a year, no one's doing anything . year, no one's doing anything. so a program daily, weekly for people to sit down and watch. oh, actually , it could save oh, actually, it could save somebody's life. it could reduce their suffering . so i'm now their suffering. so i'm now making so much saliva. i have to keep . keep. >> i have that all the time. >> i have that all the time. >> and, i want to see changes

brought in where the primary carers, the care, the actual carers, the care, the actual carers, the care, the actual carers, the gp's, nurses, they're all educated. i have specialist nurses. if i go to the gp, the gp cannot. it's himself herself or the nurse. take blood from me because they just don't know how, >> so, so i mean we know we've had lots of ministers in government that say they're going to fix the health service and improve it. >> they cannot unless they get the field of science and medicine is progressing exponentially daily. this information is not really down to ground level, where the gp's are , gps. they do their 5 or 6 are, gps. they do their 5 or 6 years, but somebody like the professor, he has to be studying constantly, doing research constantly, doing research constantly, and he has to be on top of his game. and that is

what the gps need to do educationally. nurses as well. >> there are a lot of the gps don't really understand anything. they google and they do . i've been to my gp and anything. they google and they do. i've been to my gp and said all about this and they go, oh, i'll just google it. i'm like, well, i could have done that, why am i here? or i just call up the surgery and say, listen, just, just refer me so i can go and see my private medical cover because you're not, you know, they're just intermediaries. it doesn't really work out. >> i think the problem is, nana. because they're in a difficult situation, because they've got to see number of so many different conditions. so you can't be an expert in everything. no but i think as as i said, anas sarwar has got a very brave face because, you know, she's been suffering for a number of years . it's just a number of years. it's just a simple test. if you have an unusual appearance, unusual condition , come up with condition, come up with something a bit odd. it's not like a common cold or whatever. just have that test. so at least you know that screening is done and this test will tell you what's going on. >> specifically, what is the test called and how can people get to do that test? >> well, it's a blood test. >> well, it's a blood test. >> it'sjust

>> well, it's a blood test. >> it's just a >> well, it's a blood test. >> it'sjust a normal >> well, it's a blood test. >> it's just a normal blood test. it's a blood test that you would have at your normal doctors or yes , they should. doctors or yes, they should. >> they do it in other places. and it's not very expensive to test actually called it because there's so many different blood tests. >> and when they do one, they only do test on specifically the thing that you've gone for the anti—nuclear, anti—nuclear , anti—nuclear, anti—nuclear, antibodies or rheumatoid factors. >> those are the things and they're quite common. and most gp's probably will do it, but it will come at maybe a year down the line and say, oh, maybe it's an autoimmune disease. yeah. when i was at med school in london, autoimmune , we thought london, autoimmune, we thought it was a very rare condition. you know, nobody sort of got tested on it or it was like a distinction level. what we know now, it's a very common condition. >> and that's literally, literally everybody i know . literally everybody i know. >> i'll give you an example. hashimoto's hashimoto's can take up to ten years to diagnose. thatis up to ten years to diagnose. that is thyroid disease. it's a thyroid disease where your immune system attacks your thyroid gland. and what they do at this is not gp bashing at

all. please, because i've got family who are gp's and very good friends who are this one blood test? they have to add a second factor to it to be able to find out whether the thyroid gland is being attacked or not. that's all it takes. rather than 1000 times going back and forth, back and forth and then catching you at a time where there's been so much damage, and then releasing you onto the nhs hospital, suddenly you become. it's not it isn't the gp's , it's it's not it isn't the gp's, it's the government's. and i'm not a political person, but i do feel very strongly conservative. labour liberal, whatever you are, green party, whatever for example, the health minister at the moment, the new one wes streeting. yes, that's right. his educational background is history. he's a historian. if my car breaks down, would i want to

take my car to a garage that is run by a vet and the vet creates the policies, the rules and regulations? i'm sure they get advice from other people, but it's just not enough. as we can see, nhs is falling apart socioeconomically. people have a lot more stress . stress has lot more stress. stress has a massive effect and impact on physical and mental wellbeing, not just of the sufferer but of the people around them. >> well, listen, we're running out of time. so if people want to find out more, i know you've got the aslef foundation. yeah talk to people about where they can find you and get more information. what's the website? where do they go? >> it's the autoimmune support and awareness foundation. w ww asa foundation.org dot uk , yeah. asa foundation.org dot uk, yeah. and we we've already started answering a lot of questions and

every question comes about not being diagnosed and not knowing what's wrong. >> well, listen, thank you very much for sharing your journey. and also thank you so much to you, professor mosby, you're one of the trustees of the asl as well. so, asa so thank you very much for coming to talk to me. really good to talk to you both. thank you. right so asl was diagnosed with autoimmune conditions in 2005. she's faced life limiting, challenges. if you have suffered from any of those then check out the website. and they've got lots of information there that can help sufferers. but right now we move on to 21 minutes after 5:00. this is gb news. we're live on tv , online and on digital radio. tv, online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua. tv, online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua . next up, it's i'm nana akua. next up, it's time for the great british debate this hour. and i'm asking, would you join the police ?

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for you, go to gb news dot com for you, go to gb news dot com for special extended episodes onune for special extended episodes online every friday at 9 pm, where we can truly get into the nitty gritty of what's going on. >> gb news, britain's news channel. >> good afternoon. 25 minutes after 5:00 i'm nana akua. this is a gb news and it's time now for the great british debate this hour. and i'm asking would you join the police? police forces up and down the country are facing a retention crisis as officers are quitting due to unfair pay, low morale and lack of public confidence. now a survey of members by the police federation found 1 in 5 police officers were planning to quit the service. it's also been reported that young detectives have been overloaded with cases and had a lack of support from their superiors. so for the great british debate this hour , great british debate this hour, i'm asking, would you join the police force? well, joining me now to discuss former scotland yard detective peter bleksley also former metropolitan police officer and director of law and

order foundation, norman brennan, peter bleksley. i'm going to start with you. a lot of people quitting. what are your thoughts? where do you stand with this ? stand with this? >> i would still encourage anybody who is talented and committed to public service to join policing. >> there is so much variety within policing. if you like horses , join mounted branch. if horses, join mounted branch. if you like dogs, become a dog handler. you could be a diver. you could be an armed police officer. you can be a detective and investigate terrorism or murders or more day to day types of crimes that affect everyday people. and there is a raft . people. and there is a raft. more. yes, the pay is not great, but an announcement will be made this autumn into police pay. let's hope there is a suitable pay let's hope there is a suitable pay rise for officers. and still the police, despite its flaws. and there are many that i don't have time to mention. it is still a fine job for committed people and it will not improve

if talented people refuse to join. >> but why would any talented person with the same mind want to join, especially after the treatment of many of the officers? i know that they're not perfect, but you know, it feels as though and i know, as you said, there are lots of branches of it. it does feel as though the police are slightly under attack. no one. brennan. >> well, to be quite honest with you, peter, i respect what peter says. we agree on most things, we don't fully disagree on this particular point. what i will say is that , i've been in say is that, i've been in policing and law and order for 46 years, 31 as a serving police officer and a whole quite unique position , insomuch as that position, insomuch as that i give police an independent voice, which i also gave when serving. and for the last 14 years whilst retired, and also for victims of the public. so i see the big picture would i join again in this today's era? absolutely not. would i tell anybody not to join? i would certainly tell them that the brochures put to one side and speak to 3 or 6 officers separately to get a good gauge

of what's going on. the morale within the police has never been so low. the management within policing is the worst i've seen in 45 years, and i've seen some bad management in my time. there are 40,000 officers that are assaulted. there are hundreds in the met and all around the country that are on restricted duties. they've carried out what the public want, and what society want is to challenge those that carry knives and commit crime and pose a danger to society. you get involved in a controversial arrest, you're on restricted duties , rarely on restricted duties, rarely suspended, but you wait for years and nana. i'm speaking to officers now , one of whom drove officers now, one of whom drove to a site to commit suicide. he planned everything at the last minute. he turned round and didn't. i'm in touch with serving officers now. a number of them that did a stop and search mum or the person stopped, complained. they got put on restricted duties and some have just waited three

years. i'm speaking to these officers. they're on antidepressants, their lives are broken and these men and women once joined for all the reasons why peter said, for all of the right reasons to make society a safer place, they're now left broken. that is the reality of today's policing, in my eyes. well what would you say to that, peter? >> i completely agree with so much of what norman says, but the problem is policing. >> in recent decades has been under the grip of academia , under the grip of academia, senior police officers, all with degrees to their names and very little practical policing experience, have bred a whole generation of identikit managers. whereas policing, because it's unique policing, doesn't manufacture anything, doesn't manufacture anything, doesn't sell anything. it's not about profit or loss. what it actually needs is leaders. and so much of what norman talks about would be addressed and could be addressed if police officers created leaders instead officers created leaders instead of managers. >> well, you say that, but i

mean, you know, in many events and we're not going to talk about the most recent events, obviously, but in many events, when police act in a certain way, they're caught on camera. and then they they kind of can be vilified. and a lot of the time we may not get to see the full context of what's gone on, seriously , peter, why would seriously, peter, why would anybody want to join the police force in this era of smartphone where everyone seems to be a detective , pragmatic police detective, pragmatic police officers understand that some people are going to be very quick to pull their phones out and film them. >> they understand that. and then of course, a judiciously cupped then of course, a judiciously clipped part will be put on social media, which paints the police in a dreadful light without actually showing the full context of everything that happened. that, i'm afraid, is a part of modern day policing. police officers, of course, themselves wear body worn videos. the majority of the time, and they help defuse situations and paint an accurate picture of what actually occurred. but we don't get to see that video , unfortunately.

see that video, unfortunately. once again, senior police officers need to reappraise what they do and actually start to put out some of these body worn video so accurate portrayals can be given. >> norman brennan peter is absolutely right . absolutely right. >> we have weak managers within the police service, and if the police service was a business and they saw the low morale within its workforce and the appalling treatment that they gave their customers, i.e. the pubuc gave their customers, i.e. the public are victims of crime, you'd sack the entire tier and getting credit for all managers. and what peter raised is a very good and important point. obviously, i can't discuss the case, but the other day at manchester airport, the social media went into meltdown. they were wicked, horrible comments. there were condemnation on just the short clip. if i was the chief constable of greater manchester and i saw that video clip, what i would do is i would release it and there's a saying that a lie can travel half a halfway round the world before the truth gets its trousers on

the truth gets its trousers on the public. at this moment in time have seen one version the officer has been absolutely annihilated. he may well face a charge, and if he does, then he has the right to a fair trial. here you've got people. and i wrote an article for the mail yesterday saying there are gangs of people that want their justice in certain communities. peter and i grew up in an era as police officers. we gathered the evidence and we put it forward to the crown prosecution service and the courts, where people could both have a fair hearing and say, in this day and age, you're convicted on social media before you're even charged. well, as a police officer. >> and that's if it even sort of gets there because there's a backlog before they'll even hear your case as well. so although if you're a police officer, they seem to jump you to the front of the queue and get ready to either condemn or whatever, whichever way things go. but listen, thank you so much. really good to talk to both of you. peter bleksley and also norman baker. thank norman brennan. sorry. thank you so much for joining brennan. sorry. thank you so much forjoining me. right. 32

minutes, 33 minutes after 5:00, in fact, still to come, i'll continue with the great british debate this hour. i'm asking, would you join the police? you'll hear the thoughts of my panel you'll hear the thoughts of my panel, lizzie cundy and matthew lazan panel, lizzie cundy and matthew lazar. but first, let's get your latest news headlines . latest news headlines. >> very good evening to you from the gb newsroom. just after 5:30. and the top story tonight, 1000 police officers have been deployed as a rally led by tommy robinson is being held in central london. thousands are marching through the city waving flags and chanting. we want our country back. weaving their way through the streets from the royal courts of justice to trafalgar square . posting on trafalgar square. posting on social media ahead of the event, mr robinson said it would be the biggest patriotic rally the uk has ever seen. protests by stand up has ever seen. protests by stand up to racism and jeremy corbyn's peace and justice project are also being held tonight. police are using powers under the pubuc are using powers under the public order act to keep the opposing groups apart. the number of migrants who've

illegally crossed the english channel this year has now passed 16,000 people. around 350 were intercepted today, 80 of them rescued from a sinking inflatable. a french border vessel had been escorting the overcrowded boat into uk waters when it began rapidly deflating. it comes as the new labour government's vowing to smash the smuggling gangs and is setting up a border security command to tackle the crisis . olympic news tackle the crisis. olympic news and cyclist anna henderson has won silver for team gb on the streets of paris in the women's individual time trial on the first official day of the paris games. but there was disappointment for european champion josh tarling as he missed out because of a puncture and earlier divers yasmin harper and earlier divers yasmin harper and scarlett mew. jensen got great britain off the mark with bronze in the synchronised three metre springboard event. they made history, claiming the first gb women's diving medal in 64 years. china took gold and the

us claimed silver. meanwhile, though , eurostar passengers though, eurostar passengers hoping to travel to paris are still facing disruptions after arson attacks on the french rail lines ahead of the games. 1 in 4 trains won't be running this weekend, with the operator saying four have been cancelled. today. travellers are being to told postpone their journeys if at all possible . those are the at all possible. those are the latest headlines for now. i'm sam francis, back with you in half an hour for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code , alerts by scanning the qr code, or go to gbnews.com forward slash alerts . slash alerts. >> well, next we'll continue with the great british debate. houn hour. i'm asking, would you join the

39 minutes after 5:00. good afternoon. if you're just tuned in. where have you been? 21 minutes to go. i'm nana akua. this is gb news. we're live on tv , online and on digital radio. tv, online and on digital radio. it's time now for the great british debate. this hour i'm asking, would you join the police? police forces up and down the country are facing a retention crisis as officers are quitting due to unfair pay, low morale, lack of public support and confidence, and a survey of members by the police federation found that 1 in 5 police officers were planning to quit the service. that's quite a few. it's also been reported that young detectives have been overloaded with cases and have a lack of support from their superiors. so i'm asking you, would you join the police right now? joining me is my panel, lizzie cundy and matthew laza . lizzie cundy and matthew laza. lizzie cundy and matthew laza. lizzie cundy. would you join the police force, >> well , i, i police force, >> well, i, i wouldn't, i wouldn't because i just don't think they're being treated fairly. there's, there's not enough leaders and too many managers. and my friends in the

police force, and she's really frustrated. there's so much paperwork you need. you know, she always says you need to go back to the good old days when you had the bobby on the street. you used to know your village or town people by name. you know, if there was any skulduggery or any sort of shenanigans. you know, the people, because people all talk. it's totally different . all talk. it's totally different. and, you know, we look what happenedin and, you know, we look what happened in in manchester, which was shocking scenes, but , you was shocking scenes, but, you know, we've got to look at, you know, we've got to look at, you know, we've got to look at, you know, we don't want excess brutality, but the police sort of like there's an assumption of them and it seems sometimes they're treated very unfairly. >> so i would join the police and i would encourage people to do so. >> i would first of all, put peter bleksley in charge of the nation's police force because, what peter was saying, which is absolutely right, which is that we need leaders, not managers, that clearly there is something wrong in the culture of policing. there seems to be a kind of odd mixture of kind of pass the buck and not taking response ability, rather than people showing true leadership. but i think that with reform we

can we can have a police force that we can all be proud of. yes, of course, there have been bad apples in the police, we saw another one this week, but but we need we need the police to have confidence that they're going to have public support that needs change, but it also needs respect. >> well, we don't know any of the details. fully know for manchester. >> so i was i was thinking about there was another thing about yeah, there was a met guy who was an ex met person was found guilty of taking money out of a dead person's wallet. >> oh my goodness. but sadly, there are 40,000 assaults on police and there's 6.7 million numbers of crimes that, you know, i mean, they've got a huge responsibility there. >> there they risk their lives, they protect our lives. and yet somehow they don't get you know, you certainly can't have people. >> i mean, you know, it's right as we've seen that, you know, the police have changed, you know, we we've seen the sort of need for the culture to change. but as we were hearing, if people are then to sort of put on restricted duties, not for just weeks while things are investigated, but for months and even years, because the system takes so long to find out what's happened then. that's just

crazy. also, it's such a waste of resources . of resources. >> population explosion. you know, in 2015 there was 65 million. now there's 69 million and less police. >> well, listen, this show is nothing without you and your views. let's welcome our great british voices, their opportunity to be on the show and tell us what they think about the topics we're discussing. i've got three of you are. let me start with david in watford. david in watford. would you join the police, >> first of all, i couldn't at the moment because too i'm old. >> but if i was younger then possibly i actually have a client who is a serving policeman and he's been on has been put on sick because of covid and copd, etc. and he's just gone back and they don't know what to do with him for the moment because they can't see what he's going to do. so i think we'd have to have a lot. the police treated better with more respect, but those same respect has to be earned by the serbian policemen, to the public. serbian policemen, to the pubuc.soi serbian policemen, to the public. so i think a lot more give and take and stop shouting that when you've done something wrong and the police don't stop,

you start screaming abuse that the police are bullies attacking me. let's find out really what happened. manchester is a prime example. we don't know what happened. they were storming the barricades because the police dare do something. how can you be a policeman if that's the case, >> let's go to alex metcalfe, otherwise known as zander. he's there in catterick, zander, what do you think , do you think, >> well, personally, i wouldn't join the police force just purely as a matter of personal safety. >> really, unless, of course, i was , prancing around at was, prancing around at a festival having my, paint my, face painted or waving a palestinian flag raised up. hi, mid beds, but, i mean, look at the scenes in manchester where the scenes in manchester where the female police officer had a broken nose. >> look at the scenes in leeds where, you know, rioters were flipping over buses and setting police cars on fire. look at it in kent earlier in the week,

where a serviceman was stabbed, multiple times, i mean, gone, gone are the days where we had strong leadership and people like mrs. thatcher that used the police force as a crucial role of maintaining societal order. i mean, people wonder why there's no bobbies on the streets because people don't want to be police officers because, frankly, they're too scared. >> all right . frankly, they're too scared. >> all right. thank you for that, and sort out your microphone as well, because it's a bit choppy. you've got to sort this out yourself. one of those nice ones. very good. all right. let's go to mark sheridan. he's there in chester. oh, god. we can't even hear now. was it i go on start again. >> yeah. i i, i wouldn't join the police now a couple of years ago, when i was leaving the military, i went to join the police. i was two weeks into my resettlement, and sadly, it was the lawrence case, and that really put it off for me. i didn't want to join an institutionalised racist organisation. however, i have

seen the police have moved massively forward . but now it massively forward. but now it comes for me. there's too much emphasis on diversity over professionalism. there needs to be standardisation, there needs to be, things like impartiality. also on the side of the police, you know, you've got to think about when you're going out and deaung about when you're going out and dealing with the public. you've got to earn respect of the public. and that's a key thing for me. when i, when i see a police officer. >> well, it goes both ways, really. i mean , if you if you, really. i mean, if you if you, if you want to respect you need to earn it. but also you need to be be supported as well. and i think something that that's an issue. well, listen, thank you so much for your thoughts. the fabulous mark sheridan, zander. and also david baum. thank you very much. good to talk to you. right. those are my great vicious voices. coming up, my quick quiz. i test the panel on some of the stories that caught their eye this week. but next we have a little story with regarding

harry. well, i thought. why? why not? let's do an olympic special. quick quiz. welcome. if you just tuned in, this is gb news. we are britain's news channel. i'm nana akua. don't forget, you can stream everything on youtube and download that gb news app. it's completely free. it's excellent. right now. this is the part of the show where i test my panel on some of the other stories that caught their eye. joining me, broadcaster and columnist lizzie cundy. your buzzer please lizzie cundy. your buzzer please lizzie . and also former labour lizzie. and also former labour party adviser matthew laza your buzzer please. and as ever, please play along at home. question one how many gold medals will be handed out at this year's olympic games? is it a 329. is it b 339 or is it c 300? and, lizzie, i'm going for c 349. >> i go for b 339, >> i go for b 339, >> this is when they got it completely wrong . completely wrong. >> it's a oh, i love it when that happens . that happens. >> you could have done it and you didn't. right question two j'oy you didn't. right question two joy in my life. zero zero for

both. question two closest answer wins according to the forbes or forbes, which is that magazine ? how much is an olympic magazine? how much is an olympic gold medal worth in us dollars ? gold medal worth in us dollars? 12,000 lizzie cundy, 25. 25,000. the answer is 950 usd. is that all it is ? is it a cheap? all it is? is it a cheap? >> i get the point. closest answer chocolate in the middle. yeah, that's right, it's bendy. made out of chocolate and cheese. >> matthew laza. yeah ,950. >> matthew laza. yeah ,950. >> oh, that's. >> oh, that's. >> that's quite cheap , isn't it? >> that's quite cheap, isn't it? it makes. makes it feel. >> makes me not want to win one. oh, no. >> well, there's no chance of that. >> so you . >> so you. >> so you. >> are all right . which >> are all right. which individual currently holds the record for most gold medals won in one summer olympics ? in one summer olympics? >> matthew laughs. australian swimmer ian thorpe . swimmer ian thorpe. >> you possibly zigi tom daley. tom daley. it's definitely not him, is it? no i'm joking.

>> oh him, is it? no i'm joking. >> on another swimmer. it was another swimmer you were close to. >> in a to.— >> in a sense, it's to. >> in a sense, it's actually michael phelps. he won eight gold medals at the 2008 olympics in beijing. wow. yeah, incredible. all right, here we go. true or false ? medals at go. true or false? medals at this year's olympic games will contain fragments of iron from the eiffel tower. lizzie cundy, true . false, false. let's see if true. false, false. let's see if any of them are right. well, one of them has to be. it's on well done. what's the scores at two one. >> one. >> no, it's 10101. >> no, it's 10101. >> all one. all all right, >> no, it's 10101. >> all one. all all right , next >> all one. all all right, next question today, laura collett and her team—mate, london 52 smashed the record . olympic. the smashed the record. olympic. the olympic record for the lowest ever dressage score. in. what sport was it a showjumping b eventing or c modern pentathlon? lizzie cundy , c modern pentathlon. >> it was b eventing, it was

eventing. >> let's see if the answer aj two one. >> no . how did he manage it? >> no. how did he manage it? that's a hat trick. three in a row is a hat trick. >> i'll be back. yeah. don't you worry. >> so , eventing. despite the >> so, eventing. despite the heavy rain, team gb eventer collett smashed the olympic record for the lowest ever dressage score with an astounding 17.5 penalties. well done matthew. >> well done matthew i'll let you get a chocolate gold medal. no, nothing like that. >> i've got. i've actually got chocolate, coins though that you can have that i bought from nick hewer. very generous, very happy with that. so listen, on today's show, we've been asking lots of questions, one of them was. is an attack on christianity fair ? an attack on christianity fair? according to our twitter poll, 9% of you said yes, 91% of you say no. wow matthew laza. is it fair? i mean, come on, life of brian. it was a comedy. >> i know, i think yeah, i think i think we should be able to laugh, but we need to keep balance and make sure we can

laugh at everything. and everybody, including ourselves. >> and life of brian was an actual comedy. this is olympics. it's supposed to be uniting people, not insulting people. >> well, i suppose it was a parody . parody >> well, i suppose it was a parody. parody is a form of comedy. >> it's the olympics and they shouldn't have done it. they didn't do it to any other face. don't do it to christianity. >> all right, all right. we've also been asking, would you join the police? and according to our twitter poll, 18% of you said yes. 82% of you say no. lisa nandy would you join the police? >> no, no, i would. i'm not sure they'd have me, but i would. >> they probably wouldn't have you. >> you haven't seen me run the old days. >> dixon of dock green. >> dixon of dock green. >> yeah, i would, i would join the police if, you know, maybe they change the outfits. >> i'm. i'm watching dixon of dock green on. you can watch it onune dock green on. you can watch it online on on talking pictures, tv. >> i would make a good policewoman because you would. >> absolutely. i can see both of you. i think i can see being very, very firm. >> i'd be a good detective. no, you would get past me on that. >> they certainly wouldn't. yeah. >> driving miss daisy. yeah. >> driving miss daisy . yeah, exactly. >> well, thanks a lot for that mistake. yeah, it was a true detective. >> detective? no, columbo , i'm >> detective? no, columbo, i'm completely lost. >> i really like columbus more.

prime suspect is what i was thinking. >> well, listen, i've got to say thank you so much to my panel of broadcaster and columnist lizzie cundy. lizzie cundy, thank you so much. thank you. and also, former labour party adviser matthew laza. thank you to you, matthew. thank you. and there's a huge thank you to you at home for your company. now listen, don't forget to join me tomorrow when i'm joined by christine hamilton and danny kelly. up next, it's the saturday five. i look forward to seeing you tomorrow, but i'll leave you with the weather. enjoy >> looks like things are heating up. boxt boilers sponsors of weather on gb. >> news . >> news. >> news. >> good afternoon and welcome to your gb news weather update brought to you by the met office. well, it's been quite an unsettled start to the weekend with sunny spells and showers, but it is going to be turning dner but it is going to be turning drier and much warmer by the time we reach sunday. and the reason for this unsettled start is we have a frontal system moving its way in from the west, and that's brought with it some showers and some outbreaks of rain. now we could see some

showers lingering onto the evening. perhaps the odd heavy shower across scotland and northern england. but for most of the night it is going to be turning largely dry and settled . turning largely dry and settled. plenty of clear spells too, which means we're likely to see some mist and fog patches develop, particularly in those rural spots. so a cooler night to come . but most towns and to come. but most towns and cities remaining in the low double digits. so to start on sunday morning, there'll be plenty of bright sunshine around . plenty of bright sunshine around. but as i say, there will be some mist and fog, particularly around hilly areas of scotland. but for most of scotland, largely dry , just a few showers largely dry, just a few showers feeding into those western spots. most of the mist and fog is likely to be across northern ireland and western parts of northern england, and further east there'll be more of that bright sunshine, so some mist and fog across wales, perhaps devon and cornwall, but across the southeast quite a warm and bright start to the second half of the weekend. so for sunday, as high pressure builds across the country, that means a fine and settled day on offer and plenty of warm sunshine across

the country too. we may just start to see a bit more cloud feed into western parts of northern ireland and western parts of scotland, too. by the time we reach the afternoon, but otherwise plenty of dry weather, some warm sunshine and highs of 26 across the southeast. but elsewhere temperatures improved and mostly in the low 20s. so a dry evening to come . but that dry evening to come. but that cloud will continue to thicken in the west, with some perhaps some outbreaks of rain overnight, too, and turning fairly blustery here as well. and as we head into next week, there'll be plenty of dry weather to come, perhaps some thunderstorms by midweek . that's thunderstorms by midweek. that's it from me. bye for now . it from me. bye for now. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers . boxt boilers. >> sponsors of weather on gb

why just stop oil should just shut up . stop oil should just shut up. >> it's time for dressage to be banned as a sport. >> oh, well, here we go again . >> oh, well, here we go again. kamala. kamala is back with a vengeance and she's just like me, me, me gain. are we making policing an impossible job? >> and don't listen to the haters. the paris opening ceremony say magnifique. >> i don't know what he was watching. it's 6 pm. and this is the saturday five. welcome to the saturday five. now, the olympics in paris is properly underway. and to mark the occasion, i've been joined by a quartette of elite athletes. former tory spin doctor charlie rowley. he used to be a football

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