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>> com forward slash alerts. >> com forward slash alerts. >> the labour government ditches a law to protect free speech at universities. kamala harris closes the gap on donald trump and the opening ceremony of the paris olympics outrages many and bores many more. this is free speech. nation . welcome to free speech. nation. welcome to free speech nation with me, andrew doyle. this is the show where we take a look at culture, current affairs and politics. and of course, we'll have the latest from those loveable culture warriors. we'll try and cover all the things they want to cancel. although we do only have two hours coming up on the show tonight, the olympics are underway in paris, but concerns are growing that women are being marginalised from their own sports. author joan smith joins us to discuss that. baroness claire fox will be here to discuss a blow to free speech, as the government announces plans to potentially repeal the higher education act, and kamala harris has hit the ground running in her first week as the likely democrat nominee for president. we're going to be discussing her chances of

beating donald trump with two great guests and of course, myself and my comedian panel will be answering questions from this rather lovely studio audience. my comedian guests this evening are bruce devlin and leo kearse, who . lila, how and leo kearse, who. lila, how are you.7 >> are you? >> i'm good. >> i'm good. >> thanks. how are you? i'm very happy as ever. you're always so jolly, aren't you? >> yeah. that's what everybody says about me on twitter. >> they know i've seen some stuff. go on. are you back on twitter now? >> no, i'm still banned. i got banned, yes. how did you get banned, yes. how did you get banned for saying i would take a hammer to someone? yeah. no, it was a joke. there was a winking emoji. it was all new on a delivery man for a hammer company. >> that's exactly what it is. well, actually, bruce says the phrase you used is a common scottish parlance, isn't it? it's a common scottish phrase. >> yeah. i'll take a hammer to you. >> is that leo? a scottish phrase? >> but in defence, in twitter's defence, most scottish parlance is about physical violence. >> it is exactly. so it's difficult to tell. anyway, we've got this audience here who have come inside, even though it's very sunny outside. i do appreciate that. let's get some questions from them. we've got

paul questions from them. we've got paul. why don't you start? >> yeah. from the introduction. should i understand then that you were all enjoying the family friendly opening ceremony of the olympics? >> well, you know, i didn't watch much of it. paul. did you enjoy it? >> i've only seen snippets from twitter x. oh nice. yeah, with the blue man and the sort of general degeneracy. really? >> yeah . blimey. well, you've >> yeah. blimey. well, you've made your feelings clear on that. i mean, we saw the smurf guy, the singing smurf, and there were lots of drag queens, sort of, dancing around and things like that. but i watched about ten minutes of it. i found it so tedious, so incredibly bonng it so tedious, so incredibly boring that i, you know, i certainly wasn't outraged, but i just thought it was really tedious. the image you're seeing on the screen at the moment is the one that's caused all the problem, because it has been interpreted that the row of rather corpulent drag queens are somehow, you know , connected to somehow, you know, connected to the da vinci's last supper. and i think you could read it that way. i'm not sure that it's necessarily that it does look like it probably is. leo, what do you make of all this? i mean,

we'll look at the phallus there. >> i mean, is it the olympic games? are the olympic games? >> well, if it was, she'd lose. yeah, the thing is, though, she's in a position where where jesus would be. yeah. and, you know, but that's not really accurate, is it? >> i want to see her pole vault. that's what i want to see. i think you know the intro. it's supposed to show a nation's culture, and it's supposed to showcase the best and provide a, you know, a sort of an inspiring and inspiring thing before we see which country has got the fastest black people . and i fastest black people. and i think in this case it didn't. there was no french culture there. >> there was. well, i have to disagree. have you never seen eurotrash? yeah. >> well i mean it felt like watching eurotrash again. it was. it was all. it was weird. you know, transgender smurfs and stuff like that. but it was all this, this globalised sort of day . everybody's got to be day. everybody's got to be a drag queen. everybody's got to be trans or obese or whatever it is, or sometimes all, all five. and it didn't. there was no there's no frenchness to it. it

should if anything, it showed how this sort of global communism is erased any identity from nations. >> bruce. bruce, i mean, you're there's been some intakes of breath here. are you shocked by this commentary? >> no, i'm enjoying it. i'm. is it not? i said that to you before because i can't pronounce it. dionysus or dionysus or bacchus. is it not going to be something to do with someone who was greek that liked to drink and something to eat and all that? >> god of wine and plenty, yes. well, yes, it sounds like me. >> if i was a drag queen, but, no, i do think that's funny that the driver drag queens are obese. they're all obese. >> like, why not just for the sake of diversity? >> have a few skinny people skinnier? >> draghi. >> draghi. >> okay. i loved when you said corpulent. well, because it made sense about, jennifer saunders reference in abfab. oh, right. >> okay. >> okay. >> from years ago. well, there we go. i'm glad i could help out. >> yeah. thank you. and there they are again. i mean, the thing is, i've seen a lot of people get very upset at this because they feel that their religion has been mocked and i think, you know, i think all religions should be open to mockery. on the other hand, it's

the olympic games. it does feel a bit weird that that's the place where you do when you're. because isn't it all about unity and representing everyone? it does feel like an odd place to does feel like an odd place to do mockery, doesn't it? >> and the olympic games isn't about religion. and also they went for the laziest, the route one. they attack christianity if they'd attacked other religions, if they'd made it a, you know, a genuinely diverse, you know, tearing down of cultural traditions, then then maybe that'd be good. but obviously, you know, they saw what, after charlie hebdo and they thought, no, we're just going to do christianity because, you know, we don't want to be beheaded. >> well, i mean, the obvious truth there is if they had have used that ceremony to mark islam, they wouldn't be here right now. they'd be in hiding. you know? so that's just the truth. >> and also, i mean, they foiled so many islamist terror plots against this, this olympics in france. and to be honest, i mean, the islamists don't really need to attack it because they can just sit and watch on their tv as western civilisation destroys itself. >> but on the other hand, i've seen loads of people online sort going on about how this is satanic and how dare you mock christianity. religion should be able to be mocked. every religion should be able to be

mocked. right? no, no. >> why is that? i don't know, i used to think, yeah, let's mock religion. religion, stupid. but now i've seen what they've replaced religion with, and it's worse. i think. go back to go back to wherever we had in the old days. >> i want to live in burning heretics at the stake. >> yes, yes. when we had proper values and enforced them. >> yeah. i'm not so sure about that, don't you think? everything. but. but do you attend my point that it's a weird place, like at a comedy club? mock whatever you want, but it's a weird place to do it at the olympics. >> yeah, i just, i think the thing that a lot of people had said was it wasn't necessarily authentically french and it didn't necessarily represent, you know, there was no karl lagerfeld. there was no none of his cat choupette. no, there was nothing to do with old couture. ceune nothing to do with old couture. celine was there, but she's canadian. well, she's french—canadian. >> yeah, but still a bit fraudulent. >> oh, come on, no, stop. >> why was lady gaga there? what's she got to do with france? >> i think she was just. yeah, i i'm kind of over her. >> oh, i think many people are. yeah it'sjust >> oh, i think many people are. yeah it's just strange that she's. she wasn't even doing a french accent. she wasn't making

any effort. >> she wasn't making any. she phonedit >> she wasn't making any. she phoned it in. >> she was phoning it in. >> she was phoning it in. >> yeah. she was phoning it in. she was like lorraine kelly. no effort. >> one thing, bruce, gareth roberts wrote about this for the spectator, and he made the point that that's whole spectacle of all the drag queens doing the faux mona lisa, da vinci thing that that actually this was the sort of thing you would see at the royal vauxhall tavern in 1994 and find it embarrassing then. but he was saying at least back then, all these sort of really tacky. >> we didn't have drag race, so we didn't we weren't able to hold them to a higher standard. no, i completely agree, saying at least it was contained. what did i say last night? the makeup was appalling. they need to beat their mugs properly. yeah. >> okay. well, let's move on to another question now. and this one is coming from andy. hi, andy. how are you? >> very well. thank you. good. yes. what's your question? will cancel culture ever stop? >> yeah. well, i don't know. if it does, then so will this show. yeah, but there's been another cancellation. this one is from the liverpool philharmonic, and they cancelled ian dale. so ian dale, who has a show on lbc, i

believe, has, he was going to be interviewing lisa nandy, in fact. so the culture secretary andifs fact. so the culture secretary and it's not going ahead now, did you read about this story? yeah. now it's not going ahead because ian dale used to run biteback publishing and they published a book that some liverpudlians don't like. >> was it him or lisa nandy that ran the one of the one of the people at the event, ran a publishing company. that was all right. yeah. and years ago, it published a memoir of one of the police officers who was involved in hillsborough. yes and, you know, i haven't read that that memoir, but i very much doubt it was you know, saying anything, you know, bad saying anything that would be, you know, i doubt it was crowing about. >> well, i mean, even if it was, it's a it's a book that is published by a publisher that publishes a whole diverse range of opinions and ideas and the idea that if you work at a firm that publishes a book with an opinion that they don't like, i mean, that's such a tenuous,

tenuous. yeah, such a tenuous, tenuous. yeah, such a tenuous, tenuous link to the thing. >> but yeah, the there was no sort of back and forth. there was a tweet that didn't really get much traction, but the venue or the philharmonic pulled out saying, you know, there's been a twitter backlash , so we're just twitter backlash, so we're just going to cancel the event. >> but i just find this so bonng >> but i just find this so boring now, like it's happened so often now, you know, for a long time people say, oh, cancel culture isn't real. and then it kept happening and they were still saying it wasn't real. and then eventually i think everyone has to admit, yeah, it's real andifs has to admit, yeah, it's real and it's happening all the time. but it's getting boring, isn't it? why would why would for instance, why would the liverpool philharmonic hall even care what a few people on twitter think about a book that is tangentially related to this event? >> well, more importantly, if it's the philharmonic, does lisa nandy play an instrument? >> i think she plays the piccolo. really? yeah. >> yeah, yeah, right. okay, so i could understand if she was a flautist and she was off tune or any of that kind of thing. >> you should be cancelled for that. >> no, i mean, i do like her. i think she seems a nice lady, but i think she needs an adenoids.

done. >> well, that's a different issue, but i think it's fair for you to raise it. okay. anyway, let's get a question now from maggie. where's maggie? hello. >> hello, are women's cyclists getting stronger? >> yeah. you would have thought, wouldn't you? because you will have seen this story. everyone. probably. so this is the, competition? i think it was in washington, it was a the elite women's madison at washington's marymoor grand prix. women's madison at washington's marymoor grand prix . and that's marymoor grand prix. and that's the winners on the podium, the 3 or 3 top medals went to, men who identify as women. all three. yeah. right. so and there are arrows there to point them out. not that you would need them because they're hulking great blokes. now this is weird, isn't it? because women, you know , it? because women, you know, it's all very well sort of saying there are debates to be had about certain trans identifying males in women's sports, etc, but they've just won all the medals. yeah, yeah. >> i mean, it was teams that contained a transgender male, but i think, you know, to be to be competitive in elite sports these days, you've got to have a few blokes in your women's team.

that's true. and yeah , i think that's true. and yeah, i think what really rammed this home, the sort of unjustness of it, is like one of them is standing there like, no, no breasts or anything like that. nothing that would like make you pass as a woman standing there and like, because he's wearing lycra shorts with cycling shorts, you can't see the detail. you can see go into detail. i can see individual veins. >> he's the one who's gone into detail. >> wow. i'll have to have a look how. >> now. >> proofs. >> proofs. >> it's got. look, i think wherever you stand on the trans debate, this is clearly , debate, this is clearly, palpably unfair. >> i have an auntie who phones me all the time and says, do you think it's fair because she doesn't think it's fair? >> well, no, i would say 99% of women don't know . women don't know. >> well, that's the whole thing, because the whole reason why sports was segregated by sex in the first place was so that women could win something. that's what the trainer in america, gillian michael, says. regardless of anything else, she said that sex is immutable and you just can't argue the point. and it should be separate. >> but this is so odd because i

genuinely don't think there is anyone who disagrees that this is unfair, apart from a handful of crazy activists online. so why are they deciding? >> because they're the ones that got close to the government and now set the rules in every western country. so yeah, basically you've got this gender ideology that's gripped every organisation, every every government. and i think it's hilarious. like for years we had all these feminists who were , all these feminists who were, you know, anti—men and then, you know, men have found a way to sort of game the system. and feminists have created this. they created the trans, the gender ideology first. >> it was true. >> it was true. >> first, it was no, first it was women can do anything. men can do. and like, you know, women are the same as men. now >> men are women now, that's not what feminists were saying, is that women and men should have exactly the same opportunities. >> what they weren't saying is that there is no biological difference between women and men. yeah, right. well, maybe 1 or 2 were there were some people who were saying sex was a social construct, but that wasn't the general feminist principle, was it? >> it's still funny. >> it's still funny. >> well, leah finds it funny. anyway, i will be talking to the

writer joan smith anyway, i will be talking to the writerjoan smith about this writer joan smith about this very topic later on, because it strikes me that labour are not standing up for this. they're not. in fact, they're probably making it worse, let's be honest. but we will talk about that a bit later. not that the tories were particularly good on this issue either. anyway, let's move on now to a question from philip. hi, philip. >> hi there. as far as the, hollywood film industry is concerned, do you think they're finally starting to learn their lesson? >> yeah, there's a few signs. and there was a report this week about this, in the press about a couple of films that have been really big films this year. twisters is one of them, which is not about the board game . is not about the board game. it's about the cyclones. it's about cyclones. it's a sequel to twister, i haven't seen it, but it's apparently a lot of people running towards, tornadoes and then running away screaming. that kind of thing. sounds a lot of fun. there's some images of it there. it does look fun. you remember the original film back in the 90s, and famously there was that cow sort of flying around. that was a very funny scene with the cow, and they're just, i think there's more cows

in this one, the wizard of oz. it's a bit like the wizard of oz. >> oh, right. okay. >> oh, right. okay. >> but without the dwarfish, people. what are they called? >> they? oh the lollipop men. >> they? oh the lollipop men. >> no, that's charlie and the chocolate. >> the lollipop men. anyway, let's not get, sidetracked, >> so twisters has done extremely well. and the thing about this film is it's not making any kind of political messaging, right? you don't get them running away from tornadoes and then stopping to talk about diversity, equity and inclusion. that's not happening. and because of that, people like it. yeah right. because most hollywood films now you expect at least about 15% of it to be preaching about woke values. and it gets very boring, and it's not happening in this film. and that's why. and the same with this other film, inside out too, which is a pixar film which doesn't do the preaching, ideological stuff, unlike frozen two, which did so maybe hollywood realises they're going to make a whole lot more money if they stop behaving like priests. yeah for a while. >> and we saw this across across all the, all the media that became consumed by this desire to sort of, you know, change the

world and teach everybody about gender ideology and all the rest of it. and the only problem is that just made for terrible entertainment. you got at least films like watching strange world, like, i've got a kid, so i watch you know, these disney disney films and watching strange world. there's a bit where the they find the granddad of this kid, and the kid says, oh, i like this boy. you know, there's a boy and he likes another boy because he's gay or whatever. and the grandad's all like, that is very good. and i really think that's a very good thing and all that sort of stuff. and it's like, so weird, you know? i mean, it's like they're just. it's so clunkily just crowbarred in all the, you know, positive role models and acceptance and these moralising messages and it's like, you get enough of that at work. you work 40 hours a week or whatever. you get enough of that at work with the hr people. you know, giving you all these emails sent around, you know, telling you whatever week it is and stuff. and then, you know, you get off for the weekend, you want to watch something that's entertaining and forget about that stuff, and you still get it crammed down your throat. so

obviously disney wasn't making any money. heard all these films that totally flopped. >> it's lost a fortune, lost an absolute fortune. >> so i think the old, chief exec, bob iger, is step back in to try and turn it around. i mean, for me, it was that cartoon of transformers when the robot announced its pronouns that was the point where i thought, you know, no toasters don't have pronouns. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> no, no, that's true. actually, it's a toaster. >> basically, it's a toaster that fights. yeah, that's what it does. >> that's why i think the bigger problem is it's violent. >> yes. are you a fan of tornado films? >> i'm not really a fan of much, to be honest with you. i know what you mean. >> people like to go and see to the cinema to be entertained, not to be preached at. >> yeah. no no no no, it's escapism isn't it? i see the cinema as voluntary incarceration. i don't understand it and i don't like people. i'm and they often have their feet out or they're eating noisily or they just smell. >> no, that's absolutely right. and people don't know how to behave at the cinema. i had to walk out of jeepers creepers two because people were talking. >> people don't know how to behave at all. no they don't. there was a woman on the train

that had her feet and moved into first class. i thought, i'm not dealing. >> she had a feet out, feet out cracking them. what does cracking them. what does cracking mean, cracking? >> you know, when you snap your bones. >> okay. yeah >> okay. yeah >> you know, when you kind of pinch and all that, you're doing that in public honking. >> okay. >> okay. >> well, absolutely honking and i say to her and i said, are you going to put those away or not? and i went, well it's no. and then the woman had come over and i said, are you going to do anything about that? and she went, well. and i went, well, i'm going in the first class. and you're not charging me. >> you know, they still won't bnng >> you know, they still won't bring back hanging. >> no. exactly i agree. >> no. exactly i agree. >> okay. well let's come on now, because that's all we got time for in this section. the olympics, of course, are underway in paris, but there are concerns that women are being marginalised from their own sport. authorjoan marginalised from their own sport. author joan smith marginalised from their own sport. authorjoan smith will marginalised from their own sport. author joan smith will be joining us sooi'i soon discuss that. please do not go

welcome back to free speech nafion welcome back to free speech nation with me. andrew doyle. the olympics are up and running. but meanwhile, concern continues

to grow at the prospect of women being marginalised from their own sports. culture secretary lisa nandy said this week that there could be some circumstances where trans athletes compete against women. nandy suggested that individual sporting bodies could decide their approach, and both the football association and the england and wales cricket board for example, currently allow trans identifying athletes to compete in women's matches in certain situations, such as if they have low testosterone levels . so here to discuss this, levels. so here to discuss this, i'm joined by the journalist and author joan smith. hi. thank you authorjoan smith. hi. thank you so . i want to ask you about this so. i want to ask you about this because lisa nandy claimed not just a few weeks ago , that the just a few weeks ago, that the era of culture wars is over. and it doesn't look like it, does it? no. >> she's the for minister culture wars, i'm afraid. yes. and what she's doing is continuation of what labour were doing during the election campaign. so i think people like starmer and lisa nandy were actually shaken by how often they got the question, what is a woman which obviously they all struggle with? and so what they started doing was sort of saying, well, of course we know

what a woman is and, you know, it'll all be fine. but what you have to look at is what they do and not what they say, because i think they're trying to kind of soften us up and make, make, make us feel that they're even handed not they're not remotely . handed not they're not remotely. >> so a lot of people online were saying, well, you know, lisa nandy wasn't, saying, oh, we must bring trans identified males into women's sports. she was saying, let's, let's let the various sporting bodies decide for themselves. but do you think that's good enough? >> no, because that's the kind of faux neutral position . so of faux neutral position. so what she's saying is that, you know, biological sex does matter in sport. and of course it does, because the testosterone thing is a bit of a red herring because it's about people going, men going through male puberty and having bigger skeletons and bigger musculature so that isn't changed by by testosterone. so she's she's kind of admitting that it does actually matter, particularly in sport where somebody might get injured. but then she's saying, well, let's leave it up to these sporting bodies who know more than than i do. well it's her job to know that she's the culture, media and sport secretary. it's her

job to look at the research. and if she's saying that, what she's saying is i'll leave it up to individual sporting bodies. and we know that some of those sporting bodies are completely enthralled to gender ideology . enthralled to gender ideology. and they think that what trans identified males want is more important than the rights of women and girls. >> so at this point, given all that we know and all the research that has been undertaken, there can't really be any debate any more about the idea that if you go through male puberty, you do have an innate advantage. i mean, are there still people claiming that that isn't the case? >> oh, yes. but but that's because the whole transgender ideology is based on kind of fantasies and dishonesties and, you know, it's based on the idea that human beings can change sex, and it's based on the idea that they're the most marginalised people in the country. and that so therefore, what they want, what trans identified males want is more important than women and particularly more important than than women's safety. so you're in a delusional world. that's the problem. >> now, am i right that lisa nandy did at one point suggest

that rapists should be able to be accommodated in women's prisons if they choose to identify in that way? >> yes, she did, and that was dunng >> yes, she did, and that was during the, the deputy leadership contest in 2020. and she was directly asked that and said that if a, if a rapist identifies as a even a paedophile rapist, if he identifies as a woman, should be in a women's prison, she also signed a pledge saying that women like me who are transphobic should be thrown out of the labour party. bigoted transphobic members should be thrown out of the party. she's never resiled from that, which is, you know what, one of the reasons that i resigned from the labour party last month. >> and what do you make of that accusation of transphobia? >> i think it's completely invented and made up, you know , invented and made up, you know, trans people in this country, there's not many of them. they have exactly the same legal rights as as everybody else in the country. they have slightly more rights than, than than women because of course , women because of course, misogyny isn't a hate crime. not that i think it should be, but it isn't at the moment. whereas

gender reassignment is a protected characteristic, so it's complete nonsense. there are countries like brazil where there is a high level of violence against transgender women . that is because of the women. that is because of the involvement of prostitution in this country. there's no evidence whatsoever that trans people are a greater risk than me or you. in fact, they're probably at less risk than most women. >> and it's interesting, isn't it, that those statistics from brazil end up being conflated with various global statistics in order to, perpetuate the idea that trans people are face unique threats and a higher preponderance of violence, just simply isn't the case. >> it isn't. and when you when you when you try and ask labour politicians who repeat this line all the time, you know , harriet all the time, you know, harriet harman, they all do it, you know, so how are they oppressed? what rights don't they have? they change the conversation or leave the conversation because they it's a kind of mantra. it's like, you know, the trans debate has a series of things that you're supposed to believe. they're kind of like the beliefs of a religion. so you have to believe that trans women are women. you have to believe that human beings can change sex. you have to believe that they're the

most oppressed and marginalised people, and therefore their rights come before the 51% of the population that is female. >> yes. i mean, we've even had the trans day of remembrance for trans people who have died out because of transphobic violence . because of transphobic violence. but, i mean, we must be talking hardly any single digits, hardly any. >> and even in this country where, where there have, where a trans person has been killed, it's not always clear. it's because they're trans. and sometimes there is an involvement with, you know, prostitution and other things. so it's a complete house of cards. but what disturbs me and i said this during the election campaign is that labour is enthralled to this ideology. and the ideology is basically misogynist. >> so i have got a quotation from lisa nandy, the culture secretary. she said i've been a big supporter of the trans community. i think they're the most marginalised , discriminated most marginalised, discriminated against group of people in our country at the moment . against group of people in our country at the moment. but against group of people in our country at the moment . but there country at the moment. but there is a consideration when it comes to sport about biology. it does matter and about fairness. and there she is repeating the very mantra that you've pointed out

that isn't actually based on truth. yes, it's just a myth. >> yes it is, but she is acknowledging there the significance of biology within sports, isn't she? >> but then something follows from that. >> if you think that that that biology matters in sport and it's a very important issue of fairness. and one could add that it's an issue of safety as well , it's an issue of safety as well, particularly in sports where there's contact. then you then you would logically want to make sure that women are safe and that everything is fair. what she's saying is i acknowledge this, but i'm not going to do anything about it. >> yeah. and it's very interesting. a lot of people watching this will be thinking, well, why? why is it that there are a lot of prominent women you've been writing on feminism for many, many years, but there's a lot of prominent women who seem to be supportive of the idea that gender should supersede biological sex when it comes to public policy. what you would have thought that women of all people would be the ones saying no? >> well, a hell of a lot of women have been saying no, it's what's incredibly disappointing, you know, somebody who was for years a vote, a labour voter and a labour member, is that so many, so many people in the party. that's why that's why i keep saying they're captured by this ideology. you know, they they don't have a capacity to

think it through. they won't think it through. they won't think it through. it's something it's very like religious belief. it's like believing in transubstantiation. they don't want to actually be challenged about it. >> and that, as you say, is the problem that if you outsource these decision making things to these decision making things to the various sporting bodies, but they are captured by the belief system, then you're not going to get anywhere. but the truth is, isn't it? and you speak as someone who's come from the left, who's always voted labour, isn't it particularly disappointing to see to see the labour party? so in thrall to this ideology? and is there any way to override that from within? i know that we've heard from wes streeting . he's making from wes streeting. he's making some of the right sort of statements, isn't he? do you think it's going to go away? >> wes streeting is an exception. i think it was really interesting to watch the leading members of the frontbench squirming during the election in phone ins, because a woman would get through and say , what is get through and say, what is what is a woman? and, you know, if labour was serious about this, what they would do is update the 2010 equality act and they would make it clear that references to sex in that act references to sex in that act refer to biological sex, because

it's been distorted by the demands of organisations like stonewall who've said, no, no, that includes gender identity . that includes gender identity. gender identity doesn't exist. it's an airy fairy notion. i mean, how can anybody know what somebody's gender identity is , somebody's gender identity is, somebody's gender identity is, so if labour was serious about protecting women , that's what protecting women, that's what they would do. i think what they're doing is something that seems to me quite hypocritical, which is to say, oh, we've listened . and, you know, we are listened. and, you know, we are concerned about biological sex. but actually, if you look at their policies, they're in the same position they were before. >> yes, joan. and before you go, just quickly, i want to ask you, you've got a book coming out in november. can you just quickly tell us about that? yes. >> i, i am actually i'm a classicist as well as a feminist, and i've always been fascinated by roman history. and my book is about the first five roman emperors from augustus , roman emperors from augustus, nero, and it's called unfortunately, she was a nymphomaniac and new history of roman women . roman women. >> fascinating stuff. please, i hope you'll come back onto the show nearer the time of publication to tell us all about that. that would be very. i'd be delighted. joan smith, thank you

very much indeed. thank you. and there's lots more to come on. free speech nation this evening, including baroness claire fox on the news that an important bit of free speech legislation is set to be repealed. but next, my panel are coming back to answer some more questions from this rather lovely studio audience. so don't go anywhere.

welcome back to free speech nation. so later in the show, i'm going to be turning agony uncle as usual, with the help of my panel, bruce devlin and leo kearse. and we're going to help you to deal with your unfiltered dilemmas. so if you've got any personal problems whatsoever, please do message us at gbnews.com/yoursay and we'll help you to deal with all of those issues and sort your lives out. anyway, let's get some more questions from the audience. so our first question comes from bob. hello, bob. >> hi. good evening everybody, well, kamala harris be the next

president of the united states. >> what do you think, bob ? >> what do you think, bob? >> what do you think, bob? >> oh, god help us. well, it's not a good choice, is it, really? >> no, it's very, very interesting because i think when it comes to, kamala harris, i mean, leo, the truth is she is a she is a very mediocre candidate. the truth is, i mean, people have started to say that if you suggest she she will be the first die president, then what you are effectively doing is engaging in a racist conspiracy theory. the fact is, she would not be vp if it weren't for her immutable characteristics. the fact is she wouldn't be escalating this far. that's not racist. that's the truth. even joe biden acknowledged that. >> yeah. no, that was he was responding to there was a letter by all these dignitaries saying, you've got to hire a black woman into this role. so he picked one. i mean, she is definitely an explicitly a dei hire. >> he didn't even like her. >> he didn't even like her. >> and yet they didn't even it's not like they looked around and saw who's the best black woman we can get. it's like they just grabbed one that was walking past. it's you know, it's not, you know, isn't it interesting that the democrats i mean, she's been wildly unpopular among her

own support base. >> she had to drop out of the primaries in 2020 because she didn't want to be humiliated by getting zero votes. yeah. you know, the point is that up until three weeks ago, all the democratic commentators were were were accepted that she wasn't any good. yeah. and now they're trying to say she's the next martin luther king, one of the one of joe biden's, points or his supporters would say, like he's got to stay in the race because if he's not the runner, kamala harris will be the will be the runner. >> so she was used. she's seen as so bad. she was used as a tool to keep joe biden in the race. and some some people have even said that joe biden deliberately nominated her to punish the people who deposed him. wow. >> i mean , what do you make of >> i mean, what do you make of this? what does die mean? means diversity , equity and inclusion. diversity, equity and inclusion. >> see, i didn't know that. no, it's the same with hs2. no idea. out to lunch. train right. okay. >> that's fine. are you a fan of kamala harris ? kamala harris? >> i'm, i don't i don't know i said that last night on your show that the women on lorraine, i think i said that on friday. that's reading the asparagus doesn't believe that she is going to be the candidate. it's

going to be the candidate. it's going to be michelle. >> really. i mean, i think at this point, it's not going to be michelle. i think there was a possibility she was going to swoop in. yeah, but no, obama's stepped out and said they've anointed . yeah. he's anointed. exactly. >> it's a bit like sandi toksvig . >> it's a bit like sandi toksvig. >> it's a bit like sandi toksvig. >> it's a bit like sandi toksvig. >> i don't know what that means, but okay, okay. we'll go with that. okay. let's move on to a question from john, hi, john. >> what is so terribly offensive about the albert memorial? >> it's a very good question because there was a news story this week. you know, the albert memorial in kensington and the custodians of the park have put out an essay like this essay talking about how it's problematic and offensive. i think , leo, it's because of one think, leo, it's because of one element of the sculpture, which depicts, someone from a tribe . depicts, someone from a tribe. yeah. and they say that this is offensive. it was sculpted a while ago, right? yeah >> and it was it was sculpted a while ago when, you know , people while ago when, you know, people in tribes probably looked like that. so, you know, it's a it's not and it's not, you know, saying this person's bad because

they're in a tribe or they're from this continent or anything. so actually, for the time, it's probably quite a progressive sculpture. >> yeah. why can't they get the head around the idea that something built in 1872 might not be an advert for woke activism today? yeah. >> and also i keep hearing about, oh, there's government austerity. the government does not it's not paying enough money like somehow these public institutions have got enough money to sit around writing big essays about how everything's racist. >> do you find the albert memorial racist? >> i went to see kylie in hyde park. that's where i that's all i understood . i understood. >> was that racist? >> was that racist? >> i don't think so. i thought she did really well. yes. and she did really well. yes. and she looked as though she was enjoying herself. well, that's good. yes, yes, yes. but the one thing that i did find that i don't know if it's racist or not, one hyde park apparently is a really prestigious address . a really prestigious address. yes. and it's just like a load of newbuilds above a shop on a roundabout in knightsbridge. and i was appalled. so i'm sorry i can't help you with your question, bruce is able to bring any topic around to the minogues

in one way or another. >> either the main minogue or the lesser minogue. >> oh hey. >> oh hey. >> well, we all know we all. >> well, we all know we all. >> it's true though it's true. >> it's true though it's true. >> anyway. next on free speech nation. baroness claire fox will be here to discuss a blow to free speech as the government announces plans to potentially repeal the higher education freedom of speech act. don't go anywhere.

welcome back to free speech nation. education secretary bridget phillipson says the government is to stop further commencement of the higher education freedom of speech act. the bill ensures that higher education providers and students unions must protect freedom of speech and academic freedom, and allows individuals to bring a legal case against their institution if it fails to protect their right to free speech. but phillipson says labour may repeal the bill, which was given royal assent in

may, last year. baroness claire fox has been a huge advocate for the bill and i'm delighted to say that she joins me now. welcome to the show, claire. i want to ask you about this because you've been obviously involved in the house of lords debating this bill endlessly, and it wasn't perfect, was it? but now it's now it's just gone. >> yeah. i mean, it was a bill which i felt was necessary but not adequate to fight for free speech on campus, because you do have to have a change of culture. but i think just having a piece of legislation that gave greater power to lecturers, students , people who'd been students, people who'd been cancelled, who were external speakers just to be able to say no.the speakers just to be able to say no. the law says that you must give us free speech. that was a great boost for free speech activism. and the thing is, it was a done and dusted bill. i mean, we've gone through it. it was months of argument and debate. it was watered down. there was attempts at stopping it. there was amendments. all this went on and on and on. and

eventually, with a great sigh of relief , last may, it got royal relief, last may, it got royal assent, and i can safely tell you, it never dawned on me , that you, it never dawned on me, that the labour party would cancel it. i mean , i was naive, you it. i mean, i was naive, you know, i just thought that they would accept it. they might not honour it entirely, but it didn't. this is a really dupuchous didn't. this is a really duplicitous and cowardly act because it was done via a memo. a communique, a written communique at the end of last week, when in fact, bridget phillipson could have done it in the house of commons. at the despatch box. but she didn't. >> you raise a very good point there. you know, this has just been snuck in just before parliament goes into recess. it hasn't been announced in parliament. there's no opportunity for people to argue about it. is there's something quite ironic, isn't there, that, you know, this is this is actually about this was about protecting free speech. but they don't want to have a debate about it. >> no. and honestly, when you actually read that communique, it's very worrying because it's not even as though they're saying we might repeal this

bill, but the extended written explanation actually uses all of the language that we're familiar with, those of us who've ever been on the receiving end of cancel culture because it says, oh, well, this particular bill, which would, after all, just enhance free speech rights and she said would be very burdensome for the sector that is management. don't like it. that's what she's saying. you know, the blob and all those ngos and the h e higher education activists and lobbyists who actually are the people who have been doing a lot of the cancel culture ing over a penod of the cancel culture ing over a period of time. they they'll find it burdensome, as though it's not burdensome if you're i don't know, professor joe phoenix or one of the many people that you've had on your show over the years. lecturers who the burdensome bit was that they were silenced for perfectly legitimate views on campus. so that's one problem. the second explanation that was given, which i really found disgraceful, was that she said, you know , there are other

you know, there are other priorities. you know, universities are having a tough time with their money. let's help them out with that. and really, this legislation could mean that minority groups could be subject to hate speech. in other words, she's reinforcing the trend towards censoriousness that your programme has highlighted for years and which the bill was meant to counter. she's saying we can't have a free speech bill because otherwise we'll have all these hate speech types wandering around saying, offensive things. and as you know, that's the way that you silence and chill discussion on campus. >> yeah, i mean, it sounds very much almost as though, i mean, i'm not putting words into her mouth, but that she doesn't care about the fate of academics like joe phoenix or kathleen stock, who are driven out of their jobs and harassed by colleagues for having the wrong opinion, or feminists like julie bindel or linda bellos, who is no platformed. you know, surely even the labour party should be able to concede that academic freedom has to be the priority for any higher education

institution? >> i think actually the what it reveals, and it's something that that very good interview you had with joan smith earlier about the labour party is they have got no instinct for free speech. they don't really have a sort of a sense that freedom matters that much. it's a kind of third order party. so of course, bridget phillipson says , i bridget phillipson says, i believe in free speech and academic freedom , but and it's academic freedom, but and it's a very big but. and what one group that's really going to be affected by this, by the way, are students, because it's often done of, you know, we're only doing this because there's a lot of vulnerable students who might be subject to harassment or hate speech. that's why we're looking at it again, not yet been repealed, by the way, but it sounds as though they're going to do that, but the thing is, is that if you talk to students, they will tell you that too often the atmosphere is one of huge self—censorship . you're huge self—censorship. you're frightened to say the wrong thing because you'll be ostracised. you know, it's not a no platforming situation. it's more a climate of conformity and

orthodoxy. and that's bad enough in society in general. and we are all upset about that. it's why free speech nation has existed. it rings a bell that we know that we need free speech, but in an academic context, it's disastrous because the point of universities are that you have free and open research , free and open research, intellectual inquiry. you're seeking the truth . you need to seeking the truth. you need to be able to have dissenting views, people asking awkward questions for and young people in order to be able to become critical thinkers, they need to hear a wide variety of opinion, not just one. you know. edi tick box. agreed. set of approved opinions. that's what's really worrying, isn't it strange that you know the view that you are advocating? >> there would have been the norm just 1520 years ago in higher education. everyone would have accepted that. part of the point is plurality of views that people go there to discuss ideas. what do you think has gone wrong within the universities to such an extent

that we even need legislation to protect what should be a given? >> well, i think that there's a couple of things. i mean, one was when they brought in market forces into universities and turned the student into the customer, rather than somebody who was going to learn . and a who was going to learn. and a lot of academics kind of lost power. and they spent a huge amount of time trying to keep students happy. and often that means keeping the most activist , means keeping the most activist, loudmouthed students happy. that's one thing that's happened, but also , actually happened, but also, actually universities have been a place which is theorised around things like social theories around critical race theory or, you know, a situation at the moment in which decolonising everything counts. and so wrapped up a lot of the most regressive trends that usually demand only one side gets a hearing. and if anyone fights back that they're trying to exhibit their white privilege, you know, all of those things that you're familiar with that got given a kind of intellectual gloss on

university campuses. so that's the other thing. and finally, the other thing. and finally, the universities have all signed up to these charters, like the stonewall charter, or there's a wide variety of them, athena swan, a whole range of them where you basically say, i prove that i am going to be an active anti—racist as an organisation to attract all these, right on students. and we promise that we'll be trans allies, that we'll be trans allies, that we'll be trans allies, that we'll be a particular type of anti—racist and so on and so forth. and this has been incredibly corrupting because they brought on board a wide range of administrators and managers, almost as many of them as there are academics who have basically turned university campuses into a place that has to fulfil the requirements of these third party organisations, rather than genuine places of intellectual engagement and argument. and so on and so forth. i was thinking when i was listening to you having that conversation with joan smith, if

you tried to have that on a university campus now, some administrator would say that you'd breached every rule of you know, equity, diversity and inclusion. but imagine if you had that conversation on a university campus and students heard it. they might learn something. they might not agree with what joan said. they might disagree with the questions you asked, but they could join in the debate and discussion and think about it. and that's what education should be about. and it's what we try and do at the academy of ideas with the events we organise. but sadly, academics have been have been spineless in the face and especially academic management in spineless in the face of some of these trends have looked the other way. and now look what's happened. other way. and now look what's happened . and then, by the way, happened. and then, by the way, we should just finish off by noting we should never be dependent on the law. i mean, if there's one lesson i've learned from this piece of legislation being torn up so easily is, is that we want changes in the law that we want changes in the law that are progressive. of course , that are progressive. of course, we it's great to have enhancements in a new piece of

legislation, but never depend on the law or on the law courts. we need to build a culture of grassroots culture from below in order to defend free speech. that's the only way that you can really guarantee it . really guarantee it. >> thanks, claire fox. that's all we've got. time for loads more to come on free speech nation, so please don't go anywhere . anywhere. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on gb news >> hello there i welcome to your >> hello there! welcome to your latest gb news. weather forecast from the met office. high pressure in charge for the next few days. it stays largely dry and warm. plenty of sunshine though, turns increasingly humid and we see the risk of thunderstorms increasing as we get towards the middle of the week. as this area of low pressure moves in from the south, something to stay tuned to over the coming days. but for the rest of sunday and

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latest stories from the world of culture and the arts. but let's get a news update. first from ray addison . ray addison. >> cheers, guys. top stories tonight. protesters gathered outside downing street and scotland yard earlier demonstrating against the reported arrest of tommy robinson. his supporters say he was detained under anti—terror laws, comes after a complaint was made after a film was allegedly shown at a central london rally yesterday, in breach of a high court order. two men in their 20s have died after a two seater light aeroplane crashed in a field in thorganby, near selby. north yorkshire police received an emergency call just before ten this morning. it's thought the victims are the pilot and his passenger. their next of kin have been informed and an investigation is now underway . investigation is now underway. manchester's mayor is urging people to not rush to judgement following thursday's incident at

the airport. there, andy burnham's comments follow the publication of new video obtained by manchester evening news, which appears to show a violent altercation in the lead up to a suspect being kicked by a police officer. that constable is now under criminal investigation for assault. mr burnham says it's a complicated situation with two sides to it. priti patel has become the fifth mp to enter the tory leadership race. the former home secretary says she can unite the party, turn it back into a, quote, winning machine. she joins james cleverly , robert jenrick, tom cleverly, robert jenrick, tom tugendhat and mel stride running to replace rishi sunak. nominations closed tomorrow. the foreign secretary is condemning a rocket strike in the israeli controlled golan heights, which killed 12 people, including children. david lammy says he's deeply concerned about the risk of further escalation and destabilisation there. israel's released this footage of air attacks being carried out against hezbollah targets in lebanon overnight . water bosses,

lebanon overnight. water bosses, who repeatedly allow sewage to be dumped illegally, will face criminal charges now under new government plans , environment government plans, environment secretary steve reed is warning they'll also be stripped of their bonuses as part of tighter regulations. he says customers will also receive refunds if money earmarked for sewage system investment isn't spent on that. >> if water bosses keep pumping these levels of raw sewage into our waterways , they'll face our waterways, they'll face criminal charges. we'll give the regulator the power they need to ban the payment of the multi—million pound bonuses they've been awarding themselves. despite overseeing this kind of catastrophic failure. and we're going to ring fence customers money that is earmarked for investment in improving the sewage infrastructure so that if it's not spent on that, it gets refunded. back to customers in discounts off their bills . discounts off their bills. >> right. those are the latest gb news headlines for now. back to free speech nation for the very latest gb news direct to

your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code, or go to gbnews.com. >> forward slash alerts . >> forward slash alerts. >> forward slash alerts. >> welcome back to free speech nafion >> welcome back to free speech nation with me andrew doyle. so we've got a brilliant studio audience here. let's get the most out of them . we've got a most out of them. we've got a question coming from nick. hello, nick. hello >> hello, everyone, the police force in northern ireland. next in line to be indoctrinated. >> okay . and this is the story >> okay. and this is the story that the psni have been receiving training in northern ireland to believe that male and female is a social construct, which is what you need in northern irish policing. you need that understanding queer theory of what you need . really? theory of what you need. really? >> yeah. and the idea that the male and female, which are biological categories based on things like chromosomes and have you got a willy or not, that's that's not you know, that's not something that's really debateable. i mean, i can't believe the same people who call

me a climate denier are saying that, you know , you can change that, you know, you can change from being female to male. you can maybe, you know, change your change your your gender, gender, appearance and, you know, change your clothes. you can change your clothes. you can change your clothes. you can change your clothes. you can you can compete in the women's cycling championships or whatever, but you can't , you know, you can't you can't, you know, you can't say that you've changed your chromosomes. yeah, but the psni are being trained in things like, pan sexuality, pan genderism greysexual. >> yeah. greysexual is, is that when you like to have sex with old people? i think it probably is. i mean, i don't know, to be honest, because there's so many it's difficult. >> i hope that section is growing. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> because it's not much to do with grey hair, >> no, i don't think i don't think it is. >> well, grey. >> well, grey. >> yeah. but you're being very literal minded there. i think it's. >> oh i'm sorry, i wish i was never booked. >> well, you said it. this is bruce . what do you make of this? bruce. what do you make of this? what do you make of this? the police. why are they being. it's got nothing to do with the police. just train them. how to restrain people. yes, in a in a cuff them and cuff them. >> yeah, exactly. get them in

the cells . if they've been bad. the cells. if they've been bad. i don't care who they claim to be. take away their taytos and get them in the prison. >> so that's what they need. i mean, it just seems odd that the police of all people. well, yeah. >> and talking to talking to friends who are in the police in the police, they say morale is at an all time low and there's so much of a sort of focus on dei targets and all this, like wishy washy woke stuff that, you know, they're sort of the force is going to lose its ability to actually do the sort of core competence stuff which is jumping on nasty people and putting them in the back of a van. >> yeah, well, we did get a statement from the psni. they said officers and staff from police service of northern ireland's public protection branch, along with colleagues from assist ni, received training from cara—friend in april 2023. the training was to build lgbtqia+ awareness around inclusivity, equality and respect in the workplace and interactions with the public. this recognised course would form part of officers and staff's continuing personal development, so that will solve all of those crimes, won't it? anyway, our next question comes

from solomon. solomon. hello >> hi, everyone. my question on tonight's show is, is the organisation just stop oil starting to rise above the law in some particular circumstances? >> well, you know solomon, don't you, that a number of them have been sentenced? yes. to prison. you know. and then of course, this week, the two those really posh girls, you know, the ones who threw the soup over the van gogh sunflowers , they've been gogh sunflowers, they've been found guilty. they've been told to expect prison time. good. is that fair? i know you're not. no, no, no, i take quite a hard line. >> no no no no, it's one of the things that i am passionate about. i had to laugh and funnily enough, because as you know, i'm friendly with chris skudder that does this show and headliners. and there was cressida's mother from just stop oil that said, it's dreadful. she won't be able to go to her brother's wedding. and i thought, well, that's good because she won't disrupt it with one of her silly moods. petulant little boot. and oh, this is terrible. and this is outrageous. and it's like you're i won't say the word biatch. daughter broke the law. deal with it , sister.

with it, sister. >> like, seriously going to a wedding, chucking soup at the bride. >> exactly. that's the whole thing. and then what i thought was you better be going to visit her in the clink on foot and not in a car. yeah, because that's what cressida would have wanted. and i really hope cressida is getting a hard time in prison. i do, and why do they all have these very, extremely posh names like like cressida, like tanya? >> yeah. >> yeah. >> like, you know, they do though, don't they? it's because they're all extremely posh. >> oh, is that it? >> oh, is that it? >> yeah. that is the reason i think, you know, for, for a while now, for years, they've thought that because of their extreme poshness and whiteness, they've risen above the criminal justice system. there's no way they could be sent to sent to jail because the judge plays golf with daddy. >> so yeah, they're now realising that that that doesn't always work. >> well, this is the thing that's been sort of surprising me about all of this stuff. >> whenever these activists start vandalising great works of art, everyone just lets them do it. and then there's no police there and it looks like they get away with it. well, it looks like now they don't get away with it. >> the police are in northern ireland. yeah, that's the problem. >> i haven't transexuality yes, pan scourers . pan scourers. >> yes, exactly.

>> yes, exactly. >> maybe they need to get their priorities in order. but yeah, i mean, look, if you break the law , mean, look, if you break the law, then you should go to prison, right? yeah. i mean, it is that simple . simple. >> i think a lot of people should just go to prison. >> yeah. just anyway. yeah >> yeah. just anyway. yeah >> no, absolutely. i've seen people on the street that are disgrace. >> absolutely. okay, well, let's let's move on, get some more questions. we've got a question from paul. where's paul ? oh, from paul. where's paul? oh, there you are, paul. hello. >> i am here just a nice, uncontroversial one to top off is from manchester airport. what learning lessons are we to take from that? >> yeah, well, because the original footage you're talking about the, the guys who started attacking police officers and then a police officer kicked the quy's then a police officer kicked the guy's head after he had been restrained. but of course, now there's been further footage released to show that they were really incredibly violent. these. but i think ultimately i know . leo, you won't agree with know. leo, you won't agree with me on this, i think. >> yeah. you're wrong. yeah, but let me just make my point first. and also, the guy wasn't restrained. >> he'd been tased, but he wasn't restrained. >> i think ultimately the police, even in the case of

extreme violent acts, they have to restrain them. but i think they shouldn't be assaulting them. >> but these, these were armed police, and there were signs that the men that they were deaung that the men that they were dealing with, you can see even even after he's been tased, the guy, the suspect's arm comes across as if it's i don't know if it's a you know, an automatic response or an accident or whatever, but it came across to sort of, you know, go towards the guy, the policeman's weapon, so i can understand the police thinking , so i can understand the police thinking, what's the so i can understand the police thinking , what's the quickest thinking, what's the quickest and best way? we've got a group of people here who are causing all sorts of violence. yes what's the quickest and best way to subdue them? >> i mean, my view of this is that, of course, i will defer to the judgement of whatever investigation there is, because i don't know the full circumstances. none of us really do. you know, my worry is that we watch this footage and think that we have a handle on what went on, and we don't necessarily i do, but i also think, well, i know you know everything, leo, but i think it's quite disturbing to see that kind of violence in an airport anywhere. you know, in some countries there would have been shot . been shot. >> yeah. no. absolutely, absolutely. >> i mean, they're very lucky

that this happened in britain, where we've got the most touchy feely kid gloves, cops who will check your pronouns before they do anything. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> and it's an interesting that there's been protests now trying to turn this into an issue of race. yeah. and it absolutely isn't. it's about if you're going to punch police officers in the face, you should probably face consequences. although, as i say, i don't think police violence is everjustified. violence is ever justified. >> well, there was a blm protest in manchester blocking trams and stuff, but i think there was a bit of miscommunication because the guys weren't black, but they were brothers. so i think they might have heard that they were brothers . thought that whoever brothers. thought that whoever was telling them was using 70s vernacular and so they got the blm placards out, what do you make of this, >> bruce? i mean, the footage is very disturbing, isn't it? >> yeah. do you think they needed to kick him in the face? >> well, this is the point. there's going to be an investigation. >> no, no, no, i know, but imagine if the guy had grabbed the gun or if something had happened and, you know, people had died. >> people would be like, why didn't you kick him in the head? he's already broken this policewoman's nose. why don't you kick him in the head ? you kick him in the head? >> i just would have thought as

opposed to using a foot, he could have used a truncheon. yeah, but because that's their thing, isn't it? you know, that's. >> well, they'd already tasered the guy, hadn't they, you know. yeah.i the guy, hadn't they, you know. yeah. i think ultimately we just don't know. do we. we don't know. but, you know, disturbing stuff anyway. now look , we've stuff anyway. now look, we've got another question. this has come in from our twitter account. this came in from lucy. lucy says is toss a milkshake at farage game a harmless bit of fun. this was. so we discussed this on a headline a couple of days ago because there was a gay pride event and they had like a game, a sort of cardboard cut—out of nigel farage, reform uk leader . and you could throw uk leader. and you could throw sponges at it, but the sponges were coloured like milkshakes or something. i think you could see it there and it's a game, now look, lots of other people have said that this is inciting violence. leo. i think that's going a bit far. >> yeah, i mean, this this seems like a bit of fun. and also, there's a tradition of this, you know, we have guys that we burn like guys, as in, you know, not not like men, but, you know , we not like men, but, you know, we mean somebody, guy fawkes. yeah, but we there's traditions with

effigies. effigies. that's the word i'm looking for where we stick somebody's face on them and burn them. and it's part of the village fun. everybody dances naked around the maypole. yeah, and it's south—west scotland. yeah. the countryside. but but yeah, this is this is a bit of fun. i don't think this really incites the violence. i think what, you know, incites the violence is people legitimising and excusing the actual real violence in real life against farage. >> but the point about that would be because i agree with you. that's all a load of nonsense. could you imagine if it was nicola sturgeon that were throwing things out? there'd be an outcry? that's a great idea. my an outcry? that's a great idea. my point ? it would just be one my point? it would just be one camper van. but my point would be and it was the same with the it was the same with the trump thing. it's like you can't be pro gun violence against one person, but not if you see what i mean. yeah. >> well, i mean, i think there's a point to be made that that obviously when you're throwing milkshakes at politicians or anything at politicians that is illegal like that should not be encouraged. that's assault. and lots of people have excused it, like we're commentators on the left have said it's fine because it's just milkshake. it's not fine. it's absolutely

unacceptable. but this is a cardboard cut—out at some and it's a gay fete. >> it's a pride parade, a gay fete. >> well, it's a gay. it's a gay. >> well, it's a gay. it's a gay. >> it's your gay fete . >> it's your gay fete. >> it's your gay fete. >> very good question. dying alone , i would have thought, alone, i would have thought, but. >> no, but this is i think this is. this is. no, it's a fete. it's like. >> no, i know i'm not that stupid. yes i'm fully comprehensive. okay. >> thank you. sorry. finally, lou, you wanted to say. >> oh, just, you know, it's a gay face. they've got a tradition there of milky fluids being thrown out in somebody's face. i'm really, really glad that i face. i'm really, really glad that! asked face. i'm really, really glad that i asked leo that question, >> we've got another question. this is from nick. nick. >> hi again. do you think the liberal democrats have a woman problem? okay, this . problem? okay, this. >> well, so this is, the liberal democrats who have admitted that they discriminated against natalie bird, who was barred from standing as an mp. and get this, it was because she wore a this, it was because she wore a t shirt saying woman, adult, human, female. and she got suspended for that because the liberal democrats don't like the idea of the dictionary. it's offensive. it's offensive to

them because they say lib dems rather than lib democrats. they don't like literacy. >> but one of these things that like saying like a woman is an aduu like saying like a woman is an adult human female is become, even though it's a sort of obvious statement, it's become, this sort of they say it's a code word for far right bigotry. it's like, you know, when the phrase it's okay to be white, which should be uncontroversial, but apparently it's an extremely far right and evil thing to say. >> but the thing with the liberal democrats is they have. is it layla, whoever? yes that is, i think she has been convicted for assaulting her boyfriend at a party conference a while ago. so they're objecting to hert a while ago. so they're objecting to her t shirt , but objecting to hert shirt, but they have someone that's one of their party that's battered her ex—husband because she's now with a woman. >> yes, but nothing can be worse than wearing at >> yes, but nothing can be worse than wearing a t shirt with a dictionary definition on it. depends on what colour of the t shirt. >> yes, absolutely. yeah. and the fabric, it's all about style. >> and also liberal democrat men are easy to batter so well okay, let's move on to a question from john. >> john. hi >> john. hi >> is it possible for someone to identify as a bus?

>> yes. >> yes. >> john, do you identify as a bus ? bus? >> no. i bus? >> no ithought bus? >> no. i thought of maybe identifying as a tree or a snail or something. >> a snail very, very . >> a snail very, very. >> a snail very, very. >> we have the best audience. >> we have the best audience. >> i don't know what the pronouns are for those for the snails. >> xsm. no. are you? well, i think they are hermaphroditic. let's not get into snails , but let's not get into snails, but but this is an interesting question because , no, there question because, no, there isn't a way to verify this, but there was a tweet that went a bit viral. it's a twitter user who claimed that they managed to escape a fine for driving in the bus lane by writing to the council, and they posted screenshots of this. they wrote to the council saying i'm a gender neutral individual and i've been identifying as a bus , i've been identifying as a bus, specifically a red double decker bus, since 2020. and then we've got a screenshot of the response from the council saying the penalty charge notice has been rescinded because they do, in fact identify as a bus. now, i posted this saying, you know, i can't tell whether this is a joke or not because i can't. and the person who wrote it responded straight away saying, no, it's definitely true. i want

to believe them. >> but i think this is brilliant. what do you think if this is a loophole? >> because i can imagine councils, they have all this gender training, the lgbtqia+ training, so they'll be terrified of doing anything that could offend the bus. identifying community so they could just wave it. maybe this is what we should all start doing. >> yeah, because i got done for driving in a bus lane, which i didn't even know i had. did you clearly marked. oh, but but, you know, if i'd have known, i could just say, well, i am a bus . just say, well, i am a bus. >> i think that's brilliant. i honestly, i think this this should be. yeah i identify as the back of a bus because i've rediscovered sourdough and i'm a wee bit bloated just now, so i completely get it. but if you've been let off with that, that is fantastic. >> i mean, i hope it's true. yeah. yeah, i really do. anyway, let's move on. next up on free speech nation, we're going to be discussing some cultural topics which have made the news this week, including the famous constable painting, which has become the largest, the latest target of our friends, the social justice warriors. please don't go anywhere

welcome back to free speech nation. so we're going to have a look now at some of the stories from the world of culture and the arts. and we're going to start with the news that john constable's famous painting, the haywain, will be presented as a so—called contested landscape in an upcoming national gallery exhibition. this is the discover constable and the haywain exhibition, which opens this autumn. it's going to focus on the social problems of rural britain in the 19th century, which were apparently left out of constable's paintings. now here to discuss this and much more, we have the historian and broadcaster david oldroyd, bolt , broadcaster david oldroyd, bolt, welcome to the show. i would expect a round of applause, but, you know, that's really optional . you know, that's really optional. >> david. >> david. >> now , look, obviously certain >> now, look, obviously certain forms of art are political , forms of art are political, inherently political. it seems strange to me to identify the things that constable could have put into this painting, but didn't almost to suggest that he

had a kind of responsibility to be an activist. >> well, i think this is because these third rate intellectual mediocrities who now run the national gallery, see everything through the prism of politics rather than art. yes. if they wanted to see political art of the georgian period, they could go look at, for instance, gin alley , they could look at alley, they could look at william blake, they could look at any number of the polemicists and cartoonists who did that sort of thing. rather than picking on constable, a man who painted landscapes which were designed to show off the colour of the landscape in as great a reality as possible. it was nothing to do with politics. >> i just find it so baffling. i mean, there was a hogarth exhibition at some point where they put lots of plaques up apologising for the various attitudes that might be represented within it. so you can't win, you know, even when they choose a political artist. >> well, that's because, as i say, these people are really very, very dim. they're only in this job because they are entirely political and because they are playing, as it were, they are playing, as it were, the woke game. it's tedious. it has nothing to do with art scholarship. it has nothing at

all to do with the furthering of understanding of, say, early 19th century landscape portrait painting. it is an entirely confected way of going about it. they did the same thing earlier in the year and last year with manet and degas. and of course, this is at the national gallery and at tate britain. the entire gallery has been rehung and recontextualized. yes, in an entirely political way, with no thought for decent art scholarship . scholarship. >> and it's very strange, isn't it, because it's one thing to sort of identify elements of an artwork from the past that we would now find unacceptable or offensive. yes. i mean, that in itself is quite fatuous, frankly. but there's one thing to do that and then to say this painting didn't represent this element, it left this out. it omitted important discussions that he should have had. maybe constable wasn't interested in that kind of thing. >> well , there is a particularly >> well, there is a particularly idiotic quote from doctor mary mcmahon, the curator of the national gallery, saying that a constable would have been aware of the work of people on the land, but he wouldn't have taken part of it in himself. and i'm sure that doctor mcmahon is

perfectly aware of the work of bin men, but she's never done it herself. it doesn't, you know, it's just a completely irrelevant comment. it has nothing to do with his art, nothing to do with his art, nothing to do with his life. constable's father owned this bit of land. he liked the river stour. he painted it. that's it? yeah. it wasn't some kind of sin of omission. and it wasn't constable turning his face against the plight of the poor, she. she mentions the corn laws. i'm sure that it had nothing in constable's mind was anything remotely touched by thoughts of the corn laws when he sat down and painted a really rather nice landscape. absolutely. >> i mean, if he wanted to address political issues, he would have done so. >> yes, quite. he was a quite educated and decent man. i'm sure if that had been necessary, he would have done so. >> so just on a broader point, before we move on, you know, is this is everywhere now in the arts and particularly amongst the custodians of the arts, the curators. yes, those kinds of people, is there any hope that this can finally just get driven out and then get back to doing what they're meant to be doing? >> yes. stop treating it like a serious approach to art scholarship and call it out for what it is, which is, as you

said, fatuous nonsense and stop. and this, i think, is a broader point in culture and in politics. stop treating people who are acting in bad faith as though they're not doing that. treat them with the contempt and the derision they deserve, and hopefully they will go off and find birth in other woker countries. >> well, you've definitely done that tonight. not minced your words, david. what else did you want to talk about tonight? >> well, i want to talk about something which personally is very exciting. yesterday was the centenary of the death of the italian german composer pianist ferruccio busoni . and on the 5th ferruccio busoni. and on the 5th of august, that's to say, a week tomorrow. his piano concerto will be given only the second performance at the proms. and this one, i think , hasn't this one, i think, hasn't happened since, since 1988. the reason i have a particular interest in this is because busoni was my teacher's teachers teacher. right. so there's a connection, there's a lineage there . and i think one of the there. and i think one of the most fascinating figures in late 19th and early 20th century music, because he was a pianist who brought back mozart's piano concerto to public recognition, he gave a performance of all of them in berlin in i think, 1900. they most of them weren't known

at all, and now they're the jewels of the repertoire. he was a writer of an unusual brilliance and turn of phrase. he was a philosopher of music. he was a philosopher of music. he was a deeply experimental mind . he, for instance, thought mind. he, for instance, thought of the use of electronics in music long before that was in anywhere near being done, because he thought, well, if we can use electronics to split the sound wave into microtones, imagine the colours that you can create a constant fecundity of mind. and he was also a good namer of dogs. all his dogs were named after italian artists. he had newfoundland dogs called giotto , michelangelo and leonardo. >> that's always a good sign, but he's a fascinating figure and was a child prodigy and had very, yes, very interesting background. >> well, exactly. he was born in empoli in italy, and then basically decided he didn't like italy that much when he was a young man. so moved, first of all, to vienna and then to berlin, conversed entirely in german , wrote entirely in german, wrote entirely in german. after that, his books on music are all in german and sort of recast himself. this piano

concerto, if any, of your viewers are interested , is one viewers are interested, is one of the most staggering works ever written for piano and orchestra. it's really a symphony in five movements, with a piano obbligato finishing with a piano obbligato finishing with a male voice choir , which quotes a male voice choir, which quotes from a text of the danish playwright adam oehlenschlager's aladdin. the imagination of it, the scope of it and the fun of it is unrivalled is that one of the reasons why he is not performed as often as he should be, because he was trying to combine innovation with tradition, and he was doing something quite fascinating for his time. yeah, i mean, his music is, i must say, very difficult to perform. >> it's well, it could just be that which. >> but then, you know, many musicians, many composers are difficult to perform list bach, you know , brahms second you know, brahms second concerto, for instance, is considered one of the most difficult in the repertoire. and yet it's programmed everywhere. i think there's also the fact that often the concept he was striving to bring about in music was beyond people at the time . was beyond people at the time. right? he had a completely different idea of rhythm and

tonality in some ways, particularly in later music . and particularly in later music. and maybe it just didn't catch on then. and so has struggled later. >> absolutely. so much is to do with fashion, isn't it? is this really what the proms should be? isuppose really what the proms should be? i suppose doing stuff like this? well i must say, looking at the proms programme for this year and over the coming weeks, i hope we'll talk about it more and have some reviews . and have some reviews. >> it's a really well thought out program. there are , as out program. there are, as usual, the roster of people performing is exceptional. i think the price is still only £8 a ticket for the promming tickets. that's to say, when you go standing in the arena and fair play to the bbc for doing this . well, i mean, yes, i'm this. well, i mean, yes, i'm annoyed that they've got a sam smith prom, and i'm annoyed that the second prom of this season was a techno prom. but they have to do that to gesture. yes, exactly. >> accused of overly politicising things. >> but even with the proms and people say why can't they just do this? well, you know, but but you're actually making a case, i think. >> yeah. this is one of the only areas in which i will defend the bbc, which i think is otherwise a sclerotic and dreadful organisation paid for by an illegal tax . it does this

illegal tax. it does this extremely well, and we should support that. >> fantastic. well, david boult, always a pleasure. please come back and see us again soon. thank you . and next on free thank you. and next on free speech nation, following the withdrawal of joe biden, we look set for a neck and neck race between kamala harris and donald trump. so i'm going to be joined by two great guests to assess the latest. please don't go anywhere.

welcome back to free speech nation. it has only been seven days, but so far, it seems like joe biden's withdrawal and his likely replacement by kamala harris has worked out well for the democrats. polls suggested that donald trump would easily beat biden in november, but harris has erased that gap in no time. amidst a slew of celebrity endorsements and fundraising successes. so how will the race

play successes. so how will the race play out over the next few months? well, i'm going to shortly be joined via zoom by the democratic strategist and political commentator robert weiner and here in the studio, i have us political analyst, doctor roger gewolb welcome, rogen doctor roger gewolb welcome, roger. so firstly, let me ask you how you feel about kamala harris as the nominee. is it likely that she can beat donald trump at this point, >> second question. no, i don't think it's likely, and how do i feel about it? well, it's kind of a joke, frankly . i mean, it's of a joke, frankly. i mean, it's only hours ago that she wasn't endorsed by anybody that she had an abysmal track record . and now an abysmal track record. and now all of a sudden, camelot, i call her camelot because she's king arthur obama's camelot, and her surname is harris because that's she's going to harass the hell out of us if she does get in, she was so unpopular that her ratings were below old joe

biden's. and then, of course , biden's. and then, of course, when obama's strategy to continue this his third term into a fourth term, collapsed because joe just couldn't keep up, they were thrown into a terrible problem of damage limitation. and what she was put there for in the first place, they made work for them. she is a woman, she is asian and she is black. three things that have nothing whatsoever to do with being president of the united states or any other country , but states or any other country, but that has carried her on something of a tsunami wave, at least for now . however, the least for now. however, the poll, just to finish of two points and so on and so forth is nonsense. like so many polls are. i go by our bookies. the british bookies have been around for hundreds of years because they're not usually wrong, and at the moment they put, donald trump at more than double the odds of kamala, camelot becoming president. >> but even with the media, you

know, i have to say, the american media, from what i've been following, is very overwhelmingly supportive of her, even though they weren't really about four weeks ago. but they're now sort of trying to reinvent her. and it has clearly been successful to a degree. >> i think it was eight minutes ago. right? >> yeah, probably more like that. but but it has made a dent in the polls, you know. so is it possible, in other words, that that kind of media firestorm, that kind of media firestorm, that kind of support will make the difference, could tip the balance. >> in speaking of the race, to be president of the leader of the free world, if america still is that it's perhaps disrespectful to call it click bait, but it's not far away. that's what's going on. that's why they're doing it. it's newsworthy. you can promote this this lady who five minutes ago was the last possible choice. nobody wanted her. the greatest thing is the obamas. mr and mrs. obama's telephone call. yes endorsing her? yes. which is just. it's almost as bad as the

opening to the paris olympics. >> yeah , well, and of course, >> yeah, well, and of course, wasn't staged in any way. >> no , no, let's cross the pond >> no, no, let's cross the pond now and get these sorts of democratic strategist and political commentator, robert wiener, welcome to the show. >> robert, i want to ask you about kamala harris. a lot of democrats are nervous about her. don't think that she is the best possible candidate, but that this is a case of they have no choice at this stage. do you think that's right, or do you think that's right, or do you think that's right, or do you think that she can really turn this around? >> well, andrew, thank you for having me. and i noticed you have an audience. so hello to audience also. great to see you. it's the first i've seen your audience actually. so terrific andrew, i can't believe what mr g. wald was saying and how off he is. g. wald was saying and how off heis.the g. wald was saying and how off he is. the most recent issue of time magazine just out. it's now the former president's race to lose trump ascendant and biden bows out, they forgot that kamala, just in a week has set an all time record. have either of you guys, by the way, andrew, i love you, but you were a little off on this one too, with agreeing with him. have you guys

ever heard of a movement, a movement? that's what's happening here. the most recent polls show that in the youth vote, the critical youth vote that they are 20 points higher than they were with biden. the hispanics have closed. and to your point of, oh, there's the disagreement among the democrats. yeah. 94% of democrats. yeah. 94% of democrats support harris for for, president now, 94%. and so it's going to be by acclamation. it's going to be unanimous in the convention. she's already locked in the votes, and she has raised $180 million in her first week. and all time record. and trump is scared to the point where the washington and putin is scared, to the point where the washington post today said moscow, wary of harris's bid. hey, is that a bad thing? that's great. that's exactly what it's supposed to be. >> so can i ask you , robert, are >> so can i ask you, robert, are you suggesting that in an ideal world, if you had complete openness to choose who the candidate would be, you would actually want kamala harris. you would put her at the top of the

list anyway, i would go with the vice president because that's what she is. >> i would say that and everybody said, that's the normal one. and all of the other candidates from whitmer to, you know , to beshear and all of know, to beshear and all of that, all of the candidates, and, and i don't have to name them all, you know, they were all there. they all are not running. they all are deferred to kamala harris. and so you guys can make a joke of it. but, you know, for trump to call her a bum when he's the one who was convicted of 34 felonies, his college was closed, his foundation was closed. he's had seven bankruptcies. and, and he is the con and the fraudster that that is perfect for a prosecutor to go after the perpetrator, which is what she's going to do and nail him in the debates. he is scared to death, right now and he should be, because this is a movement in the making. andrew. and i love your you and your show, but you guys are missing the boat if you

don't see that. >> okay, robert, thank you very much. we're just going to bring back in now, roger on that. can you respond specifically to what robert is saying about this being a movement, that there is evidence that it's particularly the younger voters are really excited about kamala and that this, you know, it could spell the end for donald trump. roger. what do you think of that? >> well, i think movement is the right word. i can think of some other movements that might be, you know, an analogy , i mean, you know, an analogy, i mean, you're a wonderful robert. i've never met you, but you're so famous. and i'm really glad to, you know, and honoured to be able to have this debate with you. but if i'm off, you know, you're somewhere near the second furthest planet, the one just before neptune, my friend. i mean , really, i like it out mean, really, i like it out there. yeah. good okay, well, enjoy it. i mean, i have to say to you everything you've just cited this poll and that poll and this article and this person. it's all about a nonsense . do you know that the nonsense. do you know that the british bookies. i was just saying have got trump still on

more than 2 to 1. i mean, let me ask you about those bookies, please , please, please let me please, please, please let me finish. >> i roger, will finish his point then i'll come straight back. >> i didn't i didn't interrupt you, sir. you know, i mean, five minutes ago, people were talking about gavin newsom. so slick. and he's got nobody thought about this lady. what happened was damage limitation. the floor fell through. poor old joe fell through it. nancy pelosi, barack obama , the worst president we've obama, the worst president we've ever had. and a whole bunch of nutters, a whole bunch of nutters, a whole bunch of nutters with respect like you , nutters with respect like you, sir, came up and said, what are we going to do? oh my god, let's grab the vice president and exclude everybody else, not give people just like they've done here four times a chance to vote on the leader of this country. let's just shove her in like they did rishi sunak and liz truss, who were fabulous . if you truss, who were fabulous. if you know who they are and they've stuck her in the woman can't string a sentence together any better than joe biden . she's

better than joe biden. she's failed on the border in mexico. i mean, she's got a track record like a train wreck and you're telling me, can't you feel the movement? can you feel the music? >> yeah, i thank you, roger. >> yeah, i thank you, roger. >> you've been very, very clear . >> you've been very, very clear. and, rob, bob, i want to give you the opportunity, obviously, to respond in your own time to that. >> well , i love how roger that. >> well, i love how roger is mentioning the british bookies. how many of the last kentucky derby winners did they pick? right. none. and so the answer is quite a few. >> quite a few, i think. >> quite a few, i think. >> i didn't interrupt, i agreed not to interrupt. >> you ask me a question . >> you ask me a question. >> you ask me a question. >> yes, we'll get there. so and also on the finance background that you have, roger has been very successful, except that the financiers are the ones for trump because he asked for $1 billion and he'd do whatever the oil companies want, and that's his corruption. he changed. >> but camilla's new money, camilla's new money came from the point 1%. >> it came from silicon valley and george soros and a few other people. you know , ten people people. you know, ten people gave her that money. come on.

what does that mean for ordinary americans like the rest of us? >> okay, a billion dollars from oil, and i'll do whatever you want . want. >> that's a direct quote from his private fundraiser. >> this guy is okay. and if you'll be my friend, if you'll be my friend ron, i'll give you some nuclear weapons. >> that's what obama did six years ago. >> i just want to come to robert on the on this point, though, in terms of kamala harris, obviously there's a big disagreement going on here. the key question really is, is whether she can beat donald trump, whether that can be done. and it's not really clear that you would admit, wouldn't you, robert, that she wasn't popular. she did have to drop out of the primaries in 2020 to avoid the humiliation, humiliation of receiving so few votes. she doesn't have the so did so did biden. >> he ran three times before he finally won. so did bill clinton. he he talked so long that he was thrown out of the presidential field. when he first talked to the democratic convention, i was standing there right along near the floor with him, my wife and i. and so lots of people have had horrible beginnings. but the thing that counts in polling , roger, is the

counts in polling, roger, is the trending and the trending is movement. and the movement is for harris now. and it is either a tie or she's two up depending on pick your poll. and we've only just begun. it's been one week. so he is getting worse and worse. and by the way, his sentencing comes up in a month. and his and there's going to be the mini trial in washington that's going to be allowing the facts in and the discussion as though it's a real trial, reminding everybody of what he's done. this guy let me ask you about that. >> you think that's important? rogen >> you think that's important? roger, can i ask you specifically about that ? because specifically about that? because obviously the democrats are going to be pushing the idea that he is a convicted felon, but he forgets. >> robert forgets to mention that those corrupt, horrible , that those corrupt, horrible, despicable judges sitting on the united states supreme court have thrown out most of these cases. duh. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> all the ones that trump claimed he he lost 64 cases about the election, and he's still claiming he won . he lost still claiming he won. he lost 64 of 64 cases. if you remember,

you remember that that little detail that he lost in every court, even the ones he appointed. >> i know trump , appointed. >> i know trump, i appointed. >> i know trump , i know trump, >> i know trump, i know trump, and i'm going to tell him that , and i'm going to tell him that, notwithstanding what you say when he drains the swamp, i'm going to tell him robert is not part of the swamp, so leave him alone. well how magnanimous honoured i've already, by the way, i worked in a white house for six and a half years on capitol hill, for i know i know. okay, so i think i know a little. i don't know what happened to you. somebody must have hit you in the head or something. >> 1 to 2% are corrupt. those are despicable because the thing you should want in power is the ability to do the most for the most people possible. but there is the 1 or 2% corrupt and trump is the 1 or 2% corrupt and trump is one of them. >> now, some very obviously very heated disagreement. and that's fair enough because we're all about free speech here. but robert, can i just ask you on a personal level, do you find kamala harris inspiring? do you see her as a potential leader, or do you listen to her speeches and thinking, yes, that's the person we need ? person we need? >> i wasn't for her in the beginning, but i've listened to her since. she is amazing.

>> when she said she she got exciting overnight. >> are you interrupting me? >> are you interrupting me? >> i'm sorry. >> i'm sorry. >> please let robert finish and then i'll come to you finally. >> robert, what's your point when she says that i know his type and the ones who are corrupt are fraudsters. they're cons. they've sex abusers . he's. cons. they've sex abusers. he's. he's been not guilty. totally. but. but paid a $85 million for he knows she knows that type and clothes and bankruptcies and college and foundation shut down. she knows that type. she will prosecute him to where he is. is she. he is cowering in the corner of his debate room when that debate happens. okay. >> well, finally, roger, final thought from you on that . thought from you on that. >> haha. >> haha. >> that's all just laughter okay, well there you go. >> well, listen, it's a pleasure. >> i to hope meet you in person someday. >> thank you both so much. you've made my you've made my evening, robert. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> well, thank you to robert and to roger. >> i do really appreciate you coming on here and debating the issues. next up on free speech nation, the tory leadership candidates failed to drum up

much enthusiasm. benjamin netanyahu hits back at his critics and a woman gets bitten by a horse . yes, it's almost by a horse. yes, it's almost time for social sensation. so please don't go anywhere. woo

woo >> welcome back to free speech nafion >> welcome back to free speech nation with me. >> andrew doyle. it's time for social sensations. that's the part of the show where we look at what's been going viral. this week on the dreaded social media. so we're going to start with the tory leadership race. priti patel has become the latest candidate to announce that she's running, but our gb news reporter found that voters in birmingham are pretty unimpressed by her. or in fact , unimpressed by her. or in fact, any of the other candidates. let's take a look. >> she's just not a very good politician and it's not what we need now because she's useless. >> so what has been useless? she put in this rwanda business, which cost the taxpayer a lot of

money, and it never, never happened. >> i don't really care about them at the moment. they're not relevant, are they? they just fight amongst themselves. so, you know , i'm not sure. you know, i'm not sure. >> i think the fact that there were so many candidates running is a worry itself . is a worry itself. >> okay, so not very impressed. are you are you not excited by the tory leadership, >> not really excited. i mean, does anybody get excited by tory leadership contest ? leadership contest? >> no, it's not the thing that keeps me up at night. >> i think even the people in them aren't that excited, but, yeah, i mean, priti patel, i think she's she's got she's got this glamour, she's got this sort of, i'm trying to think of a way of saying hotness that. >> well, you just said it. >> well, you just said it. >> yeah, i just said it. >> yeah, i just said it. >> well, that's fair enough. >> well, that's fair enough. >> well, that's fair enough. >> well, do you think she is pretty? yeah. all right. okay, well, there we go. fair enough. >> well, you know a lot about fashion and all of that i do. does she look like she's, you know, >> do you know what she reminds me of? edwina currie? spitting image puppet. she's got that kind of. no, no, no, no, there is a point to this. she has that. it's almost like she's kind of flirting every time she's speaking. i think she

she's speaking. i think she she's a very sexual person. >> well, maybe that will, you know, that will do the trick. and she might win. anyway. let's move on. this is, israel prime minister benjamin netanyahu, who is met by thousands of protesters when he visited the us this week. and he hit back when he addressed a joint session of congress. >> some of these protesters hold up signs proclaiming gays for gaza. up signs proclaiming gays for gaza . they might as well hold up gaza. they might as well hold up signs saying chickens for kfc. >> got a round of applause as well. i mean, look, bruce, there's no denying is that when you've got the whole gays for gaza quiz for palestine, they don't. it's not the most gay friendly part of the world, let's put it that way. no even i know that. >> and i know nothing like, genuinely and when he said about kfc, i was thinking, oh, zinger gravy. and i do like the chips, but no, i agree with you. i think if you are for that, then you have to be for being thrown off a building. >> yeah, and not many people are. liam. no. surprisingly, no. >> but i mean , of course he got >> but i mean, of course he got of course he got a round of applause. you always applaud the

boss. so. yeah with with i mean, somebody explained it on social media in a way that didn't convince me at all, but they said it's like intersectional because, because gays are oppressed and they see, palestinians as oppressed. i don't see either as oppressed, to be honest. but they said, you know, there's solidarity there. but i think the solidarity just flows in one direction. and the, you know, there's not a lot of palestinians who'd be, you know, supporting the i mean, that is how they think of it in terms of hierarchies. >> that's the intersectional idea. but, look, we're going to move on because we've got some of your unfiltered dilemmas that have come through. thanks very much for writing in. this is a dilemma from charlotte, and charlotte says, my other half has said his friend can stay at our flat for two weeks. i have several issues with this , not several issues with this, not least that the spare room doubles as my walk in wardrobe. oh get doubles as my walk in wardrobe. on get her! oh, am i right to be annoyed? and should this hanger on contribute to household costs ? on contribute to household costs? >> oh charlotte, how entitled are you really? and i walk out. she doesn't sound well dressed,

so i don't believe there is a walk in. no i'm just like no charlotte prejudice though. bruce no. well, exactly. >> that's the whole thing. it does seem a bit. >> i mean, you can't be calling guests to the house a hanger on and, you know, you can. >> how long is it? and also you've got to you've got to say you've got to you've got to say you can't just say to your missus like, oh, my mate's coming to stay for two weeks, just like, no, no, you got to seal it. just like, no, no, you got to sealit.isit just like, no, no, you got to seal it. is it okay if darius comes to stay for two weeks? >> yeah. >> yeah. >> it's funny how you mentioned darius. >> yeah, well, i mean, i don't know it seems a bit much. anyway, we've got time for one more dilemma. this is from sean. sean says all of my mates are big democrats, and hate trump, but i secretly have a bit of a soft spot for him and want to see him back in the white house. should i have a debate with him or keep quiet and not rock the boat? there's a lot of shy trump fans, aren't there? >> there's a lot of that shy, trump shy trumping, shy trumping, which is a whole different level. >> i think that if you were a trump supporter, you would . trump supporter, you would. >> if i was a trumper, you would talk about it, i don't >> if i was a trumper, you would talk about it , i don't know. talk about it, i don't know. yeah, i would talk about anything that i'm interested in or for. i normally when i talk, it's who i'm against. yes that's

right. which is humanity. >> and people with their feet out on trains. >> oh honestly she was kicking. you could hear her bones. >> so, leo, i mean, this is why the polls keep getting things wrong. people are embarrassed to admit that they're voting brexit or tories. people embarrassed to admit they support trump. >> so might this work in his favour? >> so this guy is with all these his democrat mates and he's a shy trumper. he secretly supports trump. they all secretly support trump, and they're all going to be arguing with each other when they all secretly support the same guy. >> that's what it is. >> that's what it is. >> they're all actually completely think he'll be the right. >> yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. >> yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. >> very interesting. particularly with kamala harris, because i can't imagine her sort of generating much interest amongst the democrats, the democrat voting base or the gays. >> i mean, well, that's the thing, because we're we're kind of in an echo chamber. it's hard to tell. >> okay. >> okay. >> well, look, thanks for joining us for free speech nation. this was the week when kamala harris edged closer to donald trump. labour ditched plans to protect free speech at universities and two just stop oil vandals realised that being posh and entitled doesn't give them the right to break the law. thanks ever so much to my panel,

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