7 .7 there is a lot to on his speech? there is a lot to cover tonight, but first, let's get the 6:00 news headlines . get the 6:00 news headlines. >> michelle, thank you. and good evening to you. well, there's been a prisoner swap. the biggest since the cold war. evan gershkovich is on his way home after that swap between russia and the west. today's internationally brokered deal involved around 24 prisoners in total , including the british total, including the british russian citizen vladimir kara—murza. in return, at least eight russian nationals are expected to be returned to russia, including several with suspected ties to russian intelligence. speaking a short while ago, president joe biden thanked all the countries that had made it made it happen. well, sir keir starmer says those who took part in riots across several cities this week were not protesting. instead, he said they were guilty of violent

crimes. the scenes of violence came after monday's stabbing attack in southport, which killed three little girls. after thanking the police, many of whom suffered serious injuries, the prime minister announced a new police response group aimed at cracking down on civil disorder in the aftermath of this attack, the community of southport had to suffer twice. >> a gang of thugs got on trains and buses, went to a community thatis and buses, went to a community that is not their own. a community grieving the most horrific tragedy. and then proceeded to throw bricks at police officers. police officers who just 24 hours earlier had been having to deal with an attack on children in their community. their community. >> well, the 17 year old boy accused of murdering those three girls in southport has been

named today as axel cabana. three children, seven year old elsie dot stancombe alice aguhan elsie dot stancombe alice aguhar, who was nine, and six year old baby king, were killed dunng year old baby king, were killed during the attack at a holiday club he appeared in court this morning and was named after a judge lifted reporting restrictions. he's now been remanded in youth detention custody. now. in other news today, the bbc says it was told by police not to share details of huw edwards arrest for offences related to images of child abuse. it comes after it was revealed that the former news presenter was arrested in november, but continued to be employed until april. in a statement, the bbc said that at the time, no charges had been brought against mr edwards and it was also aware of a significant risk to his health. he pleaded guilty yesterday to charges relating to receiving indecent images of children. dufing indecent images of children. during an online chat in the united states . donald trump has

united states. donald trump has caused some consternation after questioning the racial heritage of kamala harris. speaking to a panel of black journalists, the former president claimed miss harris had changed from identifying as indian american to being black. his suggestion that the vice president was using her race for political advantage drew some gasps of surprise from the audience in chicago. >> i don't think i've ever been asked the question. so in such a horrible manner. the first question you don't even say, hello, how are you? >> do you believe that vice president kamala harris is only on the ticket because she is a black woman? >> well, i didn't know she was black until a number of years ago when she happened to turn black. and now she wants to be known as black. so i don't know. is she indian or is she black? >> she is always identified as a black woman. >> i respect historically black college. i respect either one. but she obviously doesn't. >> well, responding to that conversation, kamala harris herself, who's the daughter of a jamaican father and an indian mother, gave this reaction.

>> donald trump spoke at the annual meeting of the national association of black journalists , association of black journalists, and it was the same old show. the divisiveness and the disrespect . disrespect. >> well, the news here at home, the bank of england has cut its base interest rate to 5%, marking the first reduction since march 2020. the rate had been held at 5.25% since august last year, which was the highest level since 2008. it comes as new data suggests the cost of living crisis is easing thanks to inflation cooling off in england have voted to limit the number of appointments available in their first collective action since 1964. nhs england says it could cause significant disruption across the whole health service. the british medical association says it's taking action over what it describes as a lack of funding for gp's. it comes despite the

health secretary warning that while previous governments failed to recruit enough doctors, reducing services would only punish patients. and those are the latest gb news headlines . are the latest gb news headlines. for now. i'm polly middlehurst. i'm back in an hour. see you then for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code, or go to gbnews.com forward slash alerts . forward slash alerts. >> thank you very much for that, polly. and michelle dewberry and i'm keeping you company until 7:00 tonight alongside me. i've got my panel, the former editor of the sun, kelvin mackenzie and the journalist and commentator greta de silva. good evening to both of you. you're very welcome tonight. also, each and every one of you, wherever you're watching or listening, you're of course, very, very welcome. this evening, i had this really well planned programme for you all tonight , planned programme for you all tonight, stories, you know, coming out of my ears for you

all. but, of course, our prime minister just addressed the nation, in response to some of the events that have been unfolding on the streets of britain. so i've got to say, i've decided i do want to focus on that. i want to know your thoughts on what sir keir starmer has had to say this afternoon. you can get in touch with me all the usual ways. you can email me gb views @gbnews. com you can go to the website gbnews.com/yoursay and speak to me and each other. or of course you can tweet or text me . x me you can tweet or text me. x me that sounds really odd when i say that, but you know what i mean. twitter, or whatever it is that you call it these days. let's start though, by crossing live to our reporter , charlie live to our reporter, charlie peters, charlie, good evening to you.can peters, charlie, good evening to you. can you just bring us up to speed with some of the goings on of the day to day? please >> good evening. michel. well, earlier today , axel rudi cabana earlier today, axel rudi cabana attended two courts here at liverpool . first the youth court liverpool. first the youth court in the magistrates where the

charges were laid before him . charges were laid before him. three charges of murder, ten of attempted murder and another for possession of a bladed article in public. the clerk said it was a curved kitchen knife. he was then moved up to the crown court for further hearings. but in both courts he was silent when asked to confirm his name. he did not do so, and when the judge, mrjustice menary , asked judge, mrjustice menary, asked his barrister if he could confirm his name, he also was unable to do it on his behalf. he sat in the dock with a grey tracksuit covering his face. throughout both hearings he barely moved, occasionally raising his eye above the hem of his tracksuit to gaze around the courtroom before quickly dipping back under his jumper. now the anonymity order was raised alongside those charges being laid down, which meant that 17 year old axel could be reported on publicly as the suspect and the man charged with those three

different counts. now, in explaining why he had lifted the anonymity order, mr justice menary said that he had to deal with competing legal perspectives. the youth justice team and the prosecution said that they wanted to keep his identity anonymous for both the defendant's welfare and the welfare of his family. but mr justice menary said in response to protestations from the press in the court that actually there was a more significant competing pubuc was a more significant competing public interest here in this case. so serious are the alleged offences and in particular, he said he wanted to dispel misinformation online. he said that there had been idiotic rioting sparked by nonsense spread on the internet. and he said that being able to dispel this misinformation would, in his perspective, reduce the risk of further rioting and protest. now it's understood that the police, in informing the prosecution, did not agree with that perspective. but the judge's word was final . axel judge's word was final. axel rudi pell will next see courts

on the 25th of october for a plea hearing here at liverpool crown court. until then, he's been remanded into custody in a youth custody in a secure unit. >> charlie peters, interesting stuff . thank you very much for stuff. thank you very much for that. i just want to make clear to everybody at home, because i know that many of you at home will be getting in touch with me or having conversations on your own surfers and saying, you know, why hasn't this been raised? why isn't that being raised? why isn't that being raised? i just want to make it clear that my personal priority, the priority of many of you at home as well, is making sure that the person that charlie peters has just been referring to there stands trial. the worst thing that could happen for the parents of those children and the adults as well, that have been affected by this, is that somehow there is a contempt of court issue, and this thing doesn't end up proceeding in the way that it actually should. that would be my worst nightmare. i really don't want anything like that to happen. notwithstanding that what

charlie's just been saying there, kelvin, particularly about this decision to name this individual. what's your thoughts on that, >> well, i'm glad he's been named, to be absolutely honest. anonymity hasn't done hasn't done this case any good up to now. and i think those that know where his family live know where his family live. and so there's no question of identifying the parents any more than they will be identified anyway in the area. but are we going to deal with actually what starmer said we most certainly are. >> don't you worry about that. okay, fine. this will be that will be. that's why i'd like to get that will be taking up the bulk of this programme, which by the way, that. yeah. and just i've got some clips and stuff of that to play for you and i'll come back to that in a second. don't worry about that, jo white your thoughts on this whole the points that charlie was just making there about this person being named and misinformation going around and so on and so forth, >> it's a unique act have been

taken because when you think about the whole concept of when someone is under the age of 18, keeping them anonymous, the idea is behind the 1933 children and young people's act, which the thinking is if someone is young, you make mistakes and hopefully with wisdom and age that comes later. you can turn on a new slate and do better. that way, if you keep the identity private, they get that clean slate and that opportunity for rehabilitation. but that's around having a shorter sentence. so the judge is now in a case where there's misinformation, there's public unrest. he's going to be 18 next week. if you legally can name him next week, just name him now. so with those kinds of, stimuli, it's understandable he could make this decision. but it is unprecedented because you set a dangerous precedent for the future that if people get angry enough, you throw an underaged person to the wolves and also the family, because think of someone like sue klebold , who's someone like sue klebold, who's the mother of one of the killers in columbine. she's spoken extensively about what life is like, where i didn't know, i couldn't identify it. sometimes you have a child who just goes left, okay? she's been in

dangen left, okay? she's been in danger. look why don't we look at the other aspect of this? >> quite interesting. i am massively in favour of these younger people involved in these kinds of crimes. not this particular one. but there are. there are knife murders going on in our country every single day, almost . right. in our country every single day, almost. right. i'm in favour of those. those killers being named. i do not believe that what was appropriate in 1933, when we got killers walking around at 14 and 13, literally with knives that long, killing people that they're allowed. oh, if we keep all quiet about this, nobody gets identified by the time they get to 28 or 30. once they come out of doing 14 or 15 years, nobody will know. i want to know. i want to know if they live next door to me. i do not believe. i believe in salvation, obviously, but i do not believe that these people should be allowed to remain anonymous when they've carried out astonishing crimes. but then you always have to ask yourself, this is like they say, take a walk a mile in another person's shoes. >> if it's your son and you think they've gone down a wrong path for one act, don't you want

to actually give them a chance that they might do better? because if, for instance, like, look at the how impassioned you are talking about, i want to know who it is. i know what i'm like the minute i know you've done something wrong, i'm judging you for the rest of your life. but if there is a chance you are better and you do better, having that put behind you gives you a chance to be a better person. but if you carry the shadow of one crime, you might never. >> i think it's better pr for yourself that you've got a name and now you are saying working for a charity or you're doing something, you're doing good work. you don't feel that way, feel. i think people will feel better. i do not want to be sitting alongside somebody. but don't you think of gb news or not? >> prejudgement against you. prejudgement stacks the deck against you. >> one of. >> one of. >> i'm sure that's right. and actually, if they've murdered somebody with a 12 inch knife, you know, literally for drug deal that's gone wrong or something, i think you're going to have this question mark against you, and you should have the anonymity question. >> one of the worst things that's ever happened in society. and i'll be at the forefront of many people's minds when it

comes to anonymity. and children and all the rest of it will be the james bulger. yeah, murder. do you remember those, and there was lots of conversations about whether or not those killers should have been named and all the rest of it, of course, they were obviously, named. they then went on to get new identities. one of them, he's had multiple new identities, actually. it seems to have been out prison like a yo—yo. and then i mean, i would when i think about that kind of case, the james bulger murders, i think you can't redeem yourself. how can you? you talk about redemption and stuff if you're the kind of person, age ten, that steals a two year old from their mummy and then goes on to do things to them that i don't even want to describe at teatime, they are so upsetting and traumatic. if you've got that in your psyche. age ten, i believe personally that you're beyond rehabilitation. >> no, i do agree with you that, like i said, when you like with what sue klebold has said, there are some people that are just evil. no matter what you do,

they're just evil. they want to know who they are. no, but i'm saying that the theory, when this whole conversation about naming him came up, what existed in the first place, there's an understanding behind it that there are some that are possible have the possibility of redemption. i completely agree with you. some are beyond it and should be buried underneath the jail. but there has to be that window of opportunity that, upon assessing the case as the judge did in this case, he said, yes, he can be named. and i agree with that. but there should always be that due process. so you have a catchment area where that person who can be rehabilitated has the option of anonymity. but if we all agree then that there are some people and i'm thinking about the james bulger killers in this instance, i don't believe that you can be. >> you are to me. if you can do that to a little boy, age two, there's something you're wiring is not right and there's no amount of textbooks you can read or meditation you can do, or courses that you can attend that will get that out of your system. so do you then think that if we all agree, you're beyond redemption, you're just an evil person? do you then think that that evil person should be given a brand new

identity? >> i said back then that they shouldn't have been because there are certain cases. this there are certain cases. this the jamie bulger case, things that that other cases that have happened where i think it's a great advert for a discussion on the death penalty because there are certain things you do that are certain things you do that are so inhumane, being given the luxury of existing alongside other people is taken away from you . so i do believe that for you. so i do believe that for me, that should exist for very elite cases like jamie bulger, like this case, and like others where you're going, you've gone a bit under the realm of humanity. >> yeah, obviously i'm not going to get into this particular case, but i really completely agree with what you're saying. like these james bulger killers. but no one would ever have a no one would ever have about that. >> everybody agrees here, right? i've always been in favour of the death penalty, but no one, no one would have a conversation. >> keir starmer would never put it to a referendum in this country. >> we will never. you know why. but you know why? because the answer will be that the death penalty will come in right people? and this is why brexit was a surprise to people and lots of things turn out to be a

surprise to people because actually, what people are forced to say in the office and what they're forced to say, by the way, often in television stations. right, it turns out to be the opposite of actually what they're thinking, >> i've never been forced to present a view that's different to my own at all. and i absolutely think, at the very least, it should go to referendum. >> gb news. very true. right. if you worked for sky, you'd be on there for about 0.001 second. if you had any views. and by the way, somebody like me gets turfed off immediately. somebody would mention my name and i get slung out. >> i know you want to hear what people say about you in here. you won't believe it. look, let's show you this clip of sir keir starmer addressing the nation. what, 4:00 a couple of hours ago? >> listen, i can announce today that following this meeting, we will establish a national capability across police forces to tackle violent disorder . to tackle violent disorder. these thugs are mobile. they move from community to community. and we must have a policing response that can do the same.

>> your reactions to that speech are coming in thick and fast, so let's look at this after the break. did you see keir starmer's speech? what do you make to it? see you in

hi there. i'm michelle dewberry i'm with you till 7:00 tonight. the former editor of the sun, kelvin mackenzie. alongside me is the journalist and commentator at editor da silva. right. let's just look, then remind ourselves. keir starmer 4:00 this afternoon talking to us. >> us. >> listen, i can announce today that following this meeting, we will establish a national capability across police forces to tackle violent disorder. these thugs are mobile. they move from community to community. and we must have a policing response that can do the same .

the same. >> michael, one of my viewers says , goodness me, michelle, we says, goodness me, michelle, we just feel so angry, in this household tonight, lorraine says, michelle, i watched this speech and i feel like keir starmer has just made things a whole lot worse, david says i can't even believe it, the prime minister has basically tried to infer it somehow, the fault of far right thugs that children have been murdered. i've got to tell you, i really am seeing a whole lot of anger. i can't even dress it up in any other way to the reaction, the speech that keir starmer has given. keep your thoughts coming in. i'll keep including you in the conversation. but for now, kelvin, >> right. well, you're a centre left prime minister this is a free shot. there are two different issues here. one is the thuggery at southport, which was 101% wrong. the idea that 50 police officers had to be treated in hospital is a

disgrace. and i am astonished that any political party knows how far, right or far left you are, would want to get involved in that kind of, brawl against innocent police officers . that's innocent police officers. that's a disgrace. but the other point that, starmer was making was one of prejudice, claiming that that that the accused here could have be prejudiced by some of the online, discussions. that is absolute cobblers, right? he knows it's cobblers. he's an experienced, pretty average lawyer, and he knows that there is no way in this particular case, because of the particular actions and the arrest, that there is any way that anything could be said about, no. >> but he will be talking about contempt of court, which is a very serious issue. it's a serious issue. >> there is no way that this trial, upcoming trial is going to break down on the basis of anything that is being said online. online is not evidence. and anybody that has ever

covered any court and covered any murder or anything knows that there is a complete difference between what is said outside and the and the and the line by line prosecution assessment of the case inside. so he's doing this for political reasons. but what he also gets completely wrong is the misunderstanding that people are enormously concerned is if the person living next door to them may for be instance, the reason that hartlepool riots is because of a case of a four years ago where an innocent 70 year old man is walking along with his dog. at 6:00 in the morning, a mad guy comes out and stabs him to death. that person turned out to death. that person turned out to be an islamic extremist from morocco, right? i, i imagine that if that 70 year old man had known that man was in there, then he would not have gone past that house on that particular time. people are very fearful. they're fearful about the numbers of people coming into our country who we don't really know their background. these are

people who throw their phones and their passports into the water on the way. what kind of people are they? and that is what concerns me now. the trouble is him as a kc or a qc as he was then, starmer does not get this. he lives in a high security environment in a big house. >> i have to challenge that because if you like, my mom's a lawyer, my family is infested with lawyers. quite frankly , with lawyers. quite frankly, everyone around the world is watching this case and a lot of people are having conversations like, i wish i do not want to be the defence lawyer, but they right now, keir starmer, the cps and the police are in a very , and the police are in a very, very precarious position. when i watch those two women give their statement this morning, you could see the pressure on them. which two was the representative from the cps and the police when they named him, and you could see that they were tinged with pressure. that is because of this. when he's talking about a prejudiced trial, any defence lawyer who comes in, you can just look, all you do is assess the possibility of getting an innocent verdict based on the entire world knows this man. this boy is guilty. there any

jury you this boy is guilty. there any jury you get will find him guilty unanimously. so you then look at your alternative options. as a defence lawyer, yourjob is options. as a defence lawyer, your job is to options. as a defence lawyer, yourjob is to zealously your job is to zealously represent your client. you're going to look for mistrial. you're going to look for insanity plea. what they'll be doing with that boy is saying at any point, when were you taken in? did they read you your rights? did you have a representative with you when you were called? did they give you something to eat? because the minute you he was making talking about that wasn't the point he was making, was it? >> well, let's be honest, he was actually making the point that everything that's online don't talk over each other was talking about a prejudice trial. >> and what a defence lawyer will do is find a loophole for a mistrial or for the trial to be thrown out because, you know, he's guilty. and the fact is, if you can find even the slightest loophole to show prosecution, procedural error, you've got an opportunity. if they drop the ball on anything, you've got an opportunity. another thing they can do is when you look at the riots, when you look at the violence, what they will say is we are in a country where people hate this boy so much, they will set their towns on fire. if they

attack his family now, they will say they because they cannot get to him. they're going to try to kill his parents. there is no way i can get a jury that is objective enough to give this man a fair trial there. he has an opportunity for a mistrial. >> he wasn't making what he has to do that point is, get nothing unifies people making that point. >> nothing unifies people like having harm to children. this whole country, in fact, the whole country, in fact, the whole world is on the same side about this towards that boy. but you have to know. >> they want to know. >> they want to know. >> work together. rafe i'm just saying categorically that our conduct, our interested in our conduct, our interested in our conduct, ordinary people being safe has to help the police. i don't think you are and help the cps get this trial done and done right to help my boy. >> yes, i'm here if you care about getting the family's justice, you've got to enable them to do the job well. they will. they will get their justice. all right. but in the meantime, other people, people feel concerned about what world they are living in in the uk right now. and that's just a bigger story than than the terrible outrage. and that's justified by in the media. >> see, all that matters is that everyone worked together to

enable an environment where the maximum justice is served for those families. >> i agree with that. >> i agree with that. >> so i mean, you're saying that because one of the things that i have issue with about sir keir starmer's speech, i've got a few issues with it actually, and we'll go through them . so we'll go through them. so basically what he was saying was he was condemning the violence that was displayed to police officers, property , religious officers, property, religious worship, places, so on and so forth. he's quite right to condemn that. you shouldn't be doing those things that is wrong. he was then also, i would argue , basically suggesting that argue, basically suggesting that anyone, quite frankly , that goes anyone, quite frankly, that goes out that has concerns, that goes on to the street, is angry, is essentially far right. and he was talking very tough about clamping down. he's going to set up this new, like kind of national policing unit is going to leverage things like facial recognition. i'll come back to those points in a minute. well, in a few minutes actually, as we progress through the programme. but for now, the concern i've got is he didn't address at all in any way, shape or form why

why people are out on these streets, kelvin mentions to deter that people are frightened, they are furious and they're frightened. yeah. what do you think to that? >> i think completely justified. the sentiment of fear is completely justified, like i call it. it's almost trauma porn because i avoid social media for as long as i can because the assault of tragedies on social media will make you afraid to leave your house. so the sentiment of fear is tangible. it's palpable. but when you look at what's happening now , i. the at what's happening now, i. the first thing that comes into my headis first thing that comes into my head is even though he's now a joke, rudolph giuliani in the 90s, what is happening now in britain is not as bad as what new york was in 1990, but what approach did he have was a broken windows approach where you are tough on everything. and that's how we cleaned up new york. they're trying to do something akin to that, to say that no matter what you do, we will come down on you hard and then you eliminate the motivation to escalate. >> right. so i am a tough on law and order kind of girl, anyone that watches my show will they'll hear me loads of times

saying, you know, be tougher, be tougher, be tougher. many, many, many, many people will have an issue with the fact that we have seen riots and violent disorder in this country. so i can think, for example, harehills , leeds, for example, harehills, leeds, where was the address to the nafion where was the address to the nation ? nowhere. i can tell you nation? nowhere. i can tell you that for free. we've seen other violent reactions. we've seen mob rule in society, we've seen collections of people descending on police stations. i'm thinking about places like rochdale dictating what will and won't happenin dictating what will and won't happen in various different cases. where was the clampdown? the tough on law and order? nowhere the second that white working class britons have the audacity to take to the streets about something that they're passionate about. boom out comes the we're really tough on you. we're going to do this. we're going to do that. people are furious. they feel that there is a two tier approach. >> i don't think in this particular case is that like the point i made earlier about nothing unifies people like harm being done to children. like you

said, it's unprecedented. what has happened. everyone is unanimous in how they feel. so i think the pressure on him was to come out and say something because remember what he kept saying in the in his speech was that the service to justice for the families, there's a pressure on him because they also feel that they need to see you reminding everyone about what the motivation behind this is and everything. like you said, there will be time for questions, but all efforts are pointed in the direction of making sure this trial goes the right way and maximum justice is served. so that's why i feel that address had to be done. >> okay, i must say that the other thing that he failed to mention and god knows why he failed to mention it, was that the reason that that that a name got put out there and a religion got put out there and a religion got put out there, right? basically, as i read today in the times and elsewhere, is that in fact, it it came from russian black handing, right? there were people anti—propaganda. right. so why doesn't he mention the people that were responsible for it? all right, look, i have no time for those riots. i have no

time for those riots. i have no time for those riots. i have no time for the people involved in it. it's absolutely disgraceful. but actually, what he's done is he's made a political point out of what is actually a social point. our people are worried, right, and worried about what they're worried about people coming to our nation , actually, coming to our nation, actually, who may have dark thoughts and we don't know. and suddenly something happens. now, in this case, hopefully it has nothing to do with it. right? i, i really , really hope that because really, really hope that because i hesitate to think. but i remember i remember hartlepool right , remember i remember hartlepool right, right. it took four years from, from 2020 to the may of 2024, before the people of hartlepool discovered that this poor old boy, who had been walking his dog for years along that road, had died because of the guy was an illegal islamic terrorist who come to our nation. are there many out there, out there? and then when you get something like the russians put out some stuff through the online world, which turned out to be completely

untrue, right? is it any wonder that people suddenly start rising up? i don't like those people who attack those police officers. i think it's an absolute disgrace. but for ordinary people to be sitting there worried in their homes tonight. yeah i get that. >> i think it's a conflation of issues.is >> i think it's a conflation of issues. is there a migration problem? yes. is there an a spike in crime? yes. but not all crimes are committed by migrants. there's no problem with crime, period. >> so gets on my point. >> so gets on my point. >> yeah, but i'm saying my point. no, but what's happening is that there's a narrative being cultivated that when why would this mean why would the russian misinformation catch hold? because there is a sentiment being cultivated that associates migrants with crime. there is crime. period any criminal should be treated with the full the full brunt of the law. so what i'm thinking is that when you again , like the that when you again, like the judge, made the right decision to put out the name, because wherever there is a vacuum, anything can go into it and your enemies will exploit it. whether from china to russia to wherever they will exploit it . so russia they will exploit it. so russia did what russia is going to do.

so to then say that it's the fault of this person or keir starmer, that's just that's but you can understand why you get this conflation of muslim associated with violence, because we've had a lot of muslim terrorism in our country. >> i mean, okay, but you know, the manchester that is that is a reasonable every time, anywhere in the world in germany, you suddenly hear of a stabbing. immediately you think to yourself, oh my god , it's an yourself, oh my god, it's an islamic action, isn't it? and that will be true in france. and the reason that it becomes true is because so many of these crimes have been carried out by islamic terrorists. >> that is granted. but let's say we move to that reasonable . say we move to that reasonable. that's no, no, those points are granted. those those people committed, those crimes 100%. but i say this in a parallel, parallel dimension. if every single immigrant or person of immigrant descent was excised from british society, do you think crime would end? >> no, i don't, i totally get that. and that just strikes the point i made before. but crime is crime everywhere there is a knife crime. >> no, because i want to just challenge that point. you're

saying crime is crime? whoever doesit saying crime is crime? whoever does it should face the brunt of. i know that there will be people. yeah, of course everyone should face the brunt of the law. but i know that there will be people at home watching this. and when you're saying, oh, crime is crime, don't matter who does it, many people will say, well, actually, it does matter who's done it, quite frankly. because if you've got a criminal that's a british citizen, and you know, he or she is a roman, you know, he or she is a roman, you know, he or she is a roman, you know, it's awful. and of course, if you expel, you just said if you expel migrants, would your crime stop? of course not. and the very point is, we have so many romans among our own society, british citizens, that the very last thing that we need to be doing as a society is importing more. need to be doing as a society is importing more . and actually, importing more. and actually, many people will be watching this and saying that they have a concern. you saw at one of the protests, stop the boats. people are immediately starting to say, oh, look at that far right person linking this to know what people are concerned about. and i know this because i speak to you every single day of my life. i listen to what you're saying. people will say, you are

importing people essentially from war zones with a very different mindset and value set into this country. and the priority of the government seems to be, how do we take care of that individual ? it is not, or that individual? it is not, or very rarely does it feel to people like the priority of the government is how do we keep british society safe? that seems to play second fiddle to how do we welcome these people in and give them all the things to make their lives comfortable? let's let's address this in a bit more

hi there. michel jul brit school seven. kelvin mckenzie andrew doyle to da silva . remain doyle to da silva. remain alongside me. look off the back of sir keir starmer addressing the nation at 4:00 this afternoon, i'm just picking up on some of the key strands that he had to say there. and one of the things that's coming through thick and fast, i'm asking you how you think, what he said. what do you think to it? the

theme that keeps coming through is he doesn't seem to understand why people are taking to the streets. all well and good talking tough. but if you're not resolving the issue that people have or the issues plural because there'll be different ones, you're never going to fix anything. so what we're talking about before the break is this nofion about before the break is this notion that people, it's become this kind of, you know, this fear. now, who are these people that are coming into this country? what are their intentions and people are afraid to deter? >> i think it's there's every justification to be afraid based on where society has gotten to how. >> now. >> but i would be keen to see numbers about how what percentage of migrants commit crimes and the kinds of crimes, because when you look at that , because when you look at that, proportion, the perception that's being driven, where if we can just clear out all the immigrants and the criminals there, we can focus on our criminals. the percentages is probably not enough for you to say, throw the baby out with the bathwater, but i would argue that we don't know because that data is not being collected properly. >> and i would probably wonder

why is that data not being collected in the way? >> because it's something that, based on where we are now, it needs to be collected because that's a very weighted argument, because if the numbers are high, then yes, they should all be. you've got to look at the types of crimes as well. >> so we've seen riots. you saw it in denmark, by the way. >> they did it in denmark, didn't they? they put down the migrant, whichever community it was and the number of crimes and everybody, everybody went mad. and the one person who's not going to carry out that piece of research, which i agree with you, it'd be a great research. by you, it'd be a great research. by the way, is, of course, starmer. starmer is going to turn out to be an absolute nightmare in relation to stopping the boats coming in. our country wants to stop the boats now. there is a conflation going on. i do get that , but it going on. i do get that, but it is part of why the why ? you is part of why the why? you know, the english defence league and these other organisations have grown to prominence because they look to ordinary politicians, whether they're conservative, lib dem or labour and say, look guys, you this has now been going on what, for 6 or 7 years now, massive numbers coming to our country, you know,

towns the size of cities the size of durham growing up literally every year, you know, in a world where we can't even where doctors won't even see you, you know, if you've got the flu or something. so we want, we want that result and then something like this comes along, then false news comes out, fake news does come out. i happen to know something about that lad , know something about that lad, right? fake news comes out and suddenly this turns out to be a melting pot of trouble. and i think, and i do not believe for one single second that starmer's. you know, this is typical lawyer coming out. i tell you what. let's say something to the nation. i'll try and put everybody at their peace. the idea the police forces do talk to you. >> i do agree with what you said and what michelle have said that keir starmer needs to sit with his team and address what's making people are fearful because the environment of fear is just fertile ground for things to go in a very negative direction. when you're panicked, you react in ways that you never react when you are feeling rational or feeling safe. and that's what they have to deal

with. what, like you said, what is making everyone so .

>> in their religion and it's not great. however, you do have to be realistic. you mentioned the guy the hartlepool terror attack . as you quite rightly attack. as you quite rightly point out , he actually he was point out, he actually he was saying he was doing his attacks for the people of gaza. now every single week it feels like

we have marches in this country to support gaza . so then you've to support gaza. so then you've got this fear there that people are thinking, well, hang on a second. this fellow is just mad at people in hartlepool. he's done it. he says, because of gaza. yesterday a guy was convicted . it was his second. he convicted. it was his second. he had two previous terror related convictions and he was jailed for ten years. this is just yesterday everybody, for posting, extremist islamist content. you know, if you look, a month ago, we came so close to a month ago, we came so close to a terror attack in this country, in leeds, actually a hospital in leeds, and there was a guy he'd got a bomb, he'd sent a text to try and evacuate the hospital, he got it's a long story. and i'm conscious of time, but he was intending to evacuate the hospital, set off the bomb, and then stab the people that remained. i mean, that was a month ago that that guy was sentenced. you guessed it. he was following an islamist ideology. so i would suggest and put to you, as my viewers tell me on a daily basis , that fear

me on a daily basis, that fear that people have is based on tangible events that are happening in society. tell me thoughts. let's continue

hi there , michelle dewberry hi there, michelle dewberry kelvin mackenzie and editor at da silva alongside me, phil says i think the pm's statement was pretty well measured under the circumstances. ollie says he feels that starmer is trying to bnng feels that starmer is trying to bring a new start to the uk and weren't following the steps of the tories, which were all about bringing hits among everybody in the country. stacey, though, says i cannot even bring myself to say the prime minister's name. he is an absolute disgrace to our nation. sally, i get so angry that the westminster bubble again comes out with the usual far right mantra mantra. if anyone goes out on a march picking up on this conversation about fear and where this is coming from and how valid that fear is , we've just been going fear is, we've just been going through some of the examples of some of the situations that have

occurred very, very recently within society. there was a riot in manchester last night as well. let's not forget, ariana grande, that concert there , grande, that concert there, those children are killed. this is an issue very close to those communities. hearts. one of my viewers have just got in touch and said political correctness is to blame for lots of what's going wrong in society. everyone will remember that at the, inquest, the security guard said he spotted a man that looked out of place. he instinctively knew that something was wrong and he did not. he did not dare radio it through because in his words, the guy had brown skin and he might have been a muslim and the security guard didn't dare be called racist. now, one of the themes that's coming through thick and fast tonight, juditha, is that keir starmer again, is calling people that are concerned about yet again children being murdered far right. >> so again, i do on that point, all the branding of who's what political affiliation, who has. you have no right to say that

about anyone until they declare it themselves. what we saw was islamophobia. it was extreme extremism. so as far as whether you're far right, far , far left, you're far right, far, far left, i don't pay that any heed to you. >> so if i could just explain to you some of these recent things that have been done by people that have been done by people that claim to follow islam, do you think it is then extremist to then be fearful of the religion that they say that they are acting within? it is in no way extremist to feel fear. >> but what i'm saying is about it's about having a holistic perspective, which is very hard to, to do when you've been put it like this take for me personally, i've been i've been attacked, i've been punched, i've been pushed, i've been spat at. i've been insulted. but the fact is, i have enough of a perspective to isolate an incident to an individual and not let it drive my fear so much that i judge everyone. >> with that, of course, that happens to me. you know exactly the same, right? for different reasons. so you just have to get on with your life. i find it, i do, i do think that that the issue surrounding the killings

was of a witch killings, the killings in southport plugged into a kind of febrile atmosphere. i agree , which atmosphere. i agree, which existed. and immediately you hear about stabbings and immediately you hear about children . honestly, one plus one children. honestly, one plus one does equal two. normally. i'm not saying in this case i have not saying in this case i have noideain not saying in this case i have no idea in this case. right. but but how how do you that triggers that triggers off, you know, the within you the oh my god, i can't believe it. you know . oh can't believe it. you know. oh yes, i know why that happened. because if you think of ariana grande and you think of taylor swift and those kinds of discussions take place, matt says , michelle, these words like says, michelle, these words like fox and far right and so on. >> and so forth, they were only ever really wheeled out what? when it's working class britain, white british people saying it, they weren't getting all of this , they weren't getting all of this, criticism and all of the name calling when they were burning

down harehills. the people that go on to the streets and terrified jewish people and call for genocide, they don't get this level of clampdown and crackdown, how dare he says to call people far right or fox? he has no idea at all at the level of anger in this country , liam of anger in this country, liam says he's approaching the situation. this is keir starmer with caution to every single group. he's trying to do his job. well, there you go. i mean, i can tell you there's a lot of anger still out there tonight. i desperately want our society to progress forward in a happier way. i just wonder whether or not keir starmer missed the point . from not keir starmer missed the point. from many of you responding to me tonight. it certainly feels so. judyta. kelvin thank you for your company. thank you to each and every one of you. this conversation, i'm sure, will continue again, but that's all from me. up next farage night. >> a brighter outlook with boxt

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heavy rain. the winds will also start to pick up to southwesterly breeze on friday morning . eastern areas of morning. eastern areas of scotland, north eastern england, though still a bright start. temperatures already 16 or 17 degrees by 8:00. another warm and sunny start to the day across wales. many areas of england, but it's in the south—east where we've got that risk of some further heavy downpours through friday morning. there won't be quite as widespread as we're expecting through the rest of today , through the rest of today, however, and then once they clear away, for many of us it will be a dry and sunny afternoon. however, wet weather is spreading into parts of northern ireland, much of scotland. we could see some quite heavy outbreaks of rain. so through friday afternoon, turning a bit fresher behind this band of rain. but ahead of it, still quite a humid feel. temperatures widely in the mid to high 20s now into saturday. that band of rain sinks into southeastern areas, so there's potential for some quite heavy rain across southern areas of england and the southeast, particularly as we head into saturday afternoon. further north, dry across northern england. some showers, though,

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>> good evening, i'm christopher hope , gb news political editor, hope, gb news political editor, standing in for nigel farage this evening nigel stuck in clacton. but don't worry, he's on his way to us. so do stay tuned as we will get his response to keir starmer being asked about him in the press conference in 10 downing street earlier. now, the pm announced a new police response following the eruption of nationwide disorder last night following the southport knife attack. sir

keir starmer has vowed to crackdown what he calls violent protests, with a new policing unit and a gb news presenter. martin daubney was handcuffed while reporting on the event in whitehall last night. we'll speak to them next. the bbc is facing more questions after it was revealed they had paid their presenter, their former presenter, their former presenter huw edwards, £200,000 in licence fee money following his arrest for possessing indecent images of children. plus we will be dissecting my interview with the former tory leadership hopeful suella braverman. all this to come, but first the news with polly middlehurst . middlehurst. >> well, the prime minister today told police chiefs that officers should tackle rioters using the same powers used to ban football hooligans. he's announced a new violent disorder unit in the wake of the southport stabbings and the disturbances that followed

across some parts of the uk, including