>> hello and welcome to gb news on your tv and on your digital radio. i'm andrew pierce, standing in for nana akua. joining me from 4 pm. broadcast and columnist lizzie cundy and former labour party adviser matthew laza. >> and coming up sunderland protest another night of serious violence on the streets as protesters attack a police officer. >> they set a car on fire and surround a mosque in sunderland . surround a mosque in sunderland. gender boxing row olympic chiefs have been urged to reintroduce sex testing for female athletes to protect them from serious injuries. but the olympics chiefs say those expressing such concerns are part of what they call a witch hunt. the fallout

continues from huw edwards. the culture secretary, lisa nandy, says the disgraced former bbc newsreader should return his salary after admitting to having indecent images of children. it's around £200,000 and in the political spotlight today. sir george howarth, veteran labour figure, will be joining me to shine a light on the latest from westminster. before we get started, let's get the news with ray addison . ray addison. >> thanks, andrew. good afternoon. 3:01. our top stories this hour . protests are this hour. protests are currently taking place in several parts of the country. increased stop and search powers have been given to police in liverpool city centre and surrounding areas to stop serious violence and extra officers have been drafted in to reassure communities. in hull, around 100 people have gathered outside of a migrant hotel being guarded by police, where a window has reportedly been

smashed. meanwhile, police in riot gear were deployed in belfast amid tense exchanges between protesters and an anti—racism rally with a small number of fireworks being thrown . number of fireworks being thrown. northumberland police have accused protesters of unforgivable violence and disorder following rioting in sunderland city centre last night. videos posted online showed a former police office ablaze, while a mosque was also targeted. vehicles were overturned and set on fire as rioters clashed with officers throwing rocks and bottles. five police officers were injured, with four hospitalised. ten people were arrested , two for people were arrested, two for offences including violent disorder and burglary. chief superintendent mark hall has issued this warning to rioters. >> make no mistake , if you were >> make no mistake, if you were involved last night, expect to be met with the full force of the law. i want to make it absolutely clear that the disorder violence and damage which has occurred will not be tolerated. >> the uk's most senior police

and crime commissioner is urging the government to explain how it will solve mass, uncontrolled immigration following rioting and civil unrest. donna jones is calling for sir keir starmer to address protesters concerns, as the country faces more than 30 demonstrations this weekend alone. she said the announcement of the prime minister's new violent crime units has led to an accusation of two tier policing and, quote, inflamed protesters. the 17 year old, accused of murdering three girls in southport, once starred as doctor who in a bbc children in need advert. then 11 year old axel rudakubana can be seen leaving the tardis back in 2018 and telling viewers how best to raise money. it's understood the teenager was found for the video through a casting agency. a spokesperson for bbc children in need said they'd removed the video out of respect for those impacted by the shocking case. two men have appeared in court

today charged in connection with an alleged arson attack on ukrainian linked businesses in london. 22 year old jacob barrington rose, of croydon and 19 year old eugenius yasmin of wandsworth, have both been charged with aggravated arson following a counter—terrorism investigation. rose was also charged with possession of an offensive weapon. the met police believe the offences were carried out on behalf of russia's wagner group. donald trump has agreed to debate vp kamala harris. he accepted an offer from fox news for a televised face off on september 4th. it's not yet known if the presumptive democratic nominee will agree to take part, although she's previously indicated that she is ready. trump says the debate will feature a full arena audience. errol malkovitch , spokesperson errol malkovitch, spokesperson for republicans overseas, told us trump's annoyed and he's calling the shots . calling the shots. >> he agreed to do two debates with president biden, but unfortunately, president biden didn't have the ability to go

the length, the full length of the length, the full length of the distance. and he donald trump feels a little bit cheated that he has spent all this money and campaigning against somebody who is obviously a zombie candidate. in addition to that , candidate. in addition to that, he's got a current litigation with george stephanopoulos and abc. and so he no longer feels that since the terms have changed, that he should have to do the debate there. and it looks like as of this morning, per his own messages on truth social, that there will be a debate, it will be in pennsylvania, and it will be two days before early voting starts . days before early voting starts. >> those are the latest gb news headunes >> those are the latest gb news headlines for now, i'm ray addison more in half an hour for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code, or go to gbnews.com forward slash alerts . forward slash alerts. >> hello and welcome! i'm andrew pierce. i'm standing in for nana akua live across the united kingdom on gb news. well the

unease continues. the disruption continues . five police officers continues. five police officers were injured four with hospitalised and ten people arrested. after another night of serious violence on the streets, protesters attacked a police officer. they set a car on fire and surrounded a mosque in sunderland. that's as the prime minister warned protesters they'll face what he says is the full force of the law, in a bid to crack down on the violence. this all comes , of course, after this all comes, of course, after those three girls were brutally murdered during a mass stabbing in southport earlier this week. joining me now is gb news reporter adam cherry, who is outside the home office. adam, there's no sign, it seems, of this unrest dying away . this unrest dying away. >> yeah that's right. andrew. what? this really signifies is the end of the honeymoon period for the labour party. now, one month in, one month old. and look how difficult governing is. keir starmer announcing the creation of the violent disorder unit to respond to these protests, he announced that on

thursday night, the question is, is that going to be effective? the times newspaper is reporting that he's set to go on holiday next week . if this disorder next week. if this disorder continues, and we are expecting more indeed, as we've seen on the programme throughout the day , the programme throughout the day, there have been some protests already today . if that continues already today. if that continues into the into the next few days and perhaps few weeks, how do they stop it and how do they address ? you know, the immediate address? you know, the immediate unrest and violence, also, don't forget by the way, the house of commons isn't even sitting at the moment . commons isn't even sitting at the moment. it commons isn't even sitting at the moment . it rose commons isn't even sitting at the moment. it rose on commons isn't even sitting at the moment . it rose on tuesday. the moment. it rose on tuesday. so the mps aren't discussing this or debating this. there has been some calls for that to be undone and for parliament to return early. there is some precedent for that in the past, but the likes of priti patel , but the likes of priti patel, who is of course a tory leadership hopeful, is calling for it to be recalled immediately so that this can be discussed and the government can be held to account. so already

you can see the contours of the political debate shaping up here. but in in the short term, the government has to get on top of this right now. >> all right. >> all right. >> that's gb news reporter adam cherry who is outside the home office. so let's go up north. let's talk to anna riley who's in liverpool. where demonstrations are planned later today. anna good afternoon to you. it's actually what is happening there in liverpool . happening there in liverpool. >> good afternoon andrew. well, the protest has been going on here since around 2:00. if we just looked at our side here, you can see the police line that is currently in place where we are stood is where the first protest actually began. and then just behind where the police are at the moment, where you may be able to see the police vans there. that was when the counter protestors turned up, and then police remained a line between both protest groups . so the side

both protest groups. so the side that we're at here now, there were chants being said of save our kids, stop the boats. and then on the other side, where then on the other side, where the counter protesters were , the counter protesters were, they were making chants of refugees are welcome here and banging drums. now we can say that it did remain largely peaceful. i mean, if you can see around there are young children here, there are families here, old and young people, a real mixture. so it did remain largely peaceful. there were a couple of bottles thrown , but couple of bottles thrown, but nothing severe whatsoever. largely peaceful and chanting at both sides . police didn't move both sides. police didn't move on these counter—protesters for around half an hour or 45 minutes, and that's when both groups were chanting at each other. but now that other group, the counter—protesters , have the counter—protesters, have moved on. but as we can see, just near that statue there,

there's a union flag with the humanists uk. it all actually started here. the original protest, and there were speeches that were being given, and that was before the counter protest group were then led down this street by police. but as the speeches were being given, there were signs being held up of save our children. there were other banners that i saw displayed as well. one saying two tear. here well. one saying two tear. here we can see one man there that's just holding one. i believe it says we are the many. they are the few. if we don't stand up for children. i've just just missed it. what that sign said there. but a lot of it's about protecting the children. i've heard chants of stop the boats, but largely peaceful turnout at the moment. we can just see. now, if you just look around here, the police are just withdrawing the line here as we as we see along. so they keep withdrawing the line back . and withdrawing the line back. and just behind that other line is

where the counter protesters are. so it may be that they are still trying to push further down, but we can see that the police line at our side and the police line at our side and the police line at the other side where the vans are, are trying to keep these two groups apart. >> riley in liverpool. so we'll keep you . keep you. >> thanks, anna. that's anna riley in liverpool. we'll keep you up to date on that. well, joining me now in the studio is the author and commentator, nichi hodgson and journalist and broadcaster benedict spence. nick, let's talk to you first, >> the counter protest is just going to make it worse . going to make it worse. >> i don't know how keir starmer is going to get on top of this. i mean, he's adamant that he's already got existing legislation and powers with the police to bnng and powers with the police to bring people to order, but i think he's got completely the wrong end of his stick in terms of how these things have been organised. i mean, all the commentary seems to say that it's being exercised on social media, but actually what we know is that it's taking place on secret , telegram, telegram secret, telegram, telegram groups, whatsapp groups, electronic communication groups

that the police somehow seem to not be able to penetrate. and it can't be that difficult to find out who the organisers. who the organisers are. but this obsession with social media spreading lies. fine. there is a lot of misinformation on social media, but the groups organise themselves on these tech platforms so they need to be working with the tech companies if they really want to get the names of the organisers. >> i'm just looking at the guardian front page today. police brace for unrest from shameful far right. they say it's the far right they must know who. if they're right, it is the far right. if it is organised by far right activists, they must know who they are . they are. >> well, they must exactly. they must already know. i mean, i do, to be fair to keir starmer, he did say it's either people with the opinions held by the far right. it's people caught up into summer madness or it's people with genuine concerns. you know and but but it is renee tom moore. but also you have to get underneath what is causing what is causing it. and they're not getting to the bottom of that. >> well, benedict spence, that's a very good point, isn't it? because this isn't just about, in my view, the terrible,

shocking events which took place in southport when those three little girls pictures of innocence were brutally murdered. this, in my view, is years and years of simmering unease and tension over the huge increase in immigration into this country and the fact it's not been properly planned, it's causing problems with social cohesion. >> isn't that what's causing this? >> i think the knock on effect of that also being , safety when of that also being, safety when it comes to children, i mean, we heard this about on this protest, but also i thought what was more interesting about what happenedin was more interesting about what happened in southport wasn't the riot itself. >> it was when keir starmer himself turned up and ordinary members of the community were shouting at him about actually safety of their children because, you know, nobody was shouting about immigration or about islamist terrorists or anything like that. >> they were simply asking what it was that the prime minister was going to do to protect children. and this is a part of the world that has seen, obviously, this particular incident. it's seen an incident of islamist terrorism in the manchester bombing, which targeted children. >> we've seen the grooming gang scandals. that's happened sort of across that region, again, targeting of vulnerable

children. >> this is a pattern. >> this is a pattern. >> and it doesn't matter if it's just sort of gang related, if it's if it's ideological or if it's if it's ideological or if it's just opportunist criminality, it doesn't matter. it's always children. >> that is when children become unsafe , when they are targeted, unsafe, when they are targeted, when they are the victims that actually communities say, no, we're not going to put up with this, and this is what we want government to be stepping in and doing. >> so. there is a lot of justification for the anger. now, obviously, a lot of these protests are being hijacked by elements beyond the local community. we can all see that and we all know that that's happening, and how the government responds to that is going to be of great interest. but nikki was asking, you know, saying , how on earth sir keir saying, how on earth sir keir starmer going to get a grip on this? >> the only way you do get a grip on this is by targeting the circumstances that has allowed this anger to fester, because, you know, these protests have not started in a vacuum. >> the far right did not just decide, one day we're going to turn up in sunderland, and i'm sure we'll be able to kick off the reason that they're there and that they feel that they can behave a certain way is because they saw what happened in harehills, in the leeds riot, where actually the police did not intervene heavy handedly. it's because they saw what happenedin it's because they saw what happened in rochdale after the incident at manchester airport,

where people surrounded the police station and nothing was done. police station and nothing was done . they've gone. the old bill done. they've gone. the old bill will not respond. actually, the old bill will not respond. >> and if they do, then we can say it's two tier policing because it is ultimately two tier policing and then we can turn around and we will get people to our calls to our side, because you cannot have generations now of people voting against things like mass migration, saying, we don't want it. >> we don't want it, and metropolitan based politicians going, well, you're going to get it either way. that is how you end up radicalising people. >> and it's not just two tier policing either, isn't it? >> sometimes two tier language because the home secretary yvette cooper have studied very carefully what she said after the harehills issue, where there was a lot of muslims involved in disturbances, she talked about unacceptable violence. >> she talked about mob rule in soh. 5011. >> son. >> she's using different language. what's the difference? >> well, i mean, i'm quite familiar with harehills, obviously , because i'm from west obviously, because i'm from west yorkshire. my mum used to teach refugees there actually many years ago. and what, what that was about that disturbance it was about that disturbance it was to do with the romany child? yes, it was to do with the romany child that had been taken

into care. and the reason that thatissue into care. and the reason that that issue bubbled up is because the social services and the police have been so hands off about the roma population and some of the social, lack of cohesion that happens there. you know , that that has been one of know, that that has been one of the unfortunate downsides of multiculturalism, that there are some groups that seem to get away with certain kinds of behaviour, and everyone is treated with kid gloves. now, that's not to say that they haven't faced discrimination for hundreds of years. they have. but then to swing so far the other way just puts other people's lives at risk. but i think the other point, andrew, that's really important to say is that this is so much about misogyny. you know , i'm afraid misogyny. you know, i'm afraid that the majority, you know, at least 90% of these incidences that these crimes are committed by men and young men, and we have to get to the root of that disaffection that drives them to do these things, >> what of what? what do you want to respond to what nicki says. >> i'm just curious in terms of misogyny, in terms of the riots or in terms of i'm slightly, obviously the perpetrators of the violent crimes? >> well, no , the crime being

>> well, no, the crime being crime being committed by men is not in itself a sign of misogyny. but it's not. no, no, no, no, i'm not saying that. what i'm trying to say is that there's a, there's a very specific kind of violent crime done to children and, you know, kind of domestic terrorism. if you want to call it that, that is perpetrated by a certain kind of young man. >> but again, again, though, you touched upon something else , touched upon something else, which was the failure of multiculturalism, and that's a refusal to address that, actually, cultures are well, well, this is the thing that cultures are not uniform and simply bringing cultures from one part of the world to another and dropping them into leeds will not turn those people into british people. >> and, you know, it's interesting that certain communities have issues that others don't. >> this is not a migration wide issue. there is a reason why certain parts of the pakistani community in this country, not all certain ones , are more all certain ones, are more deeply involved, for example, in the grooming of children than others . and it's tribal. it's others. and it's tribal. it's tribal because in some tribes in pakistan it is accepted. >> indeed it is tolerated, and in others it isn't. >> but the average white british middle class liberal is not even remotely interested in looking into that, let alone tackling it for fear of being considered

insensitive or racist. >> remember that the majority of offences committed against children are by white men in this country. >> this is a white majority country. i don't want to say you would hope so, but it would be really concerning if that were not the case, that would be catastrophically concerning though. >> i mean, you raised the grooming gangs in the first place. there was a massive failure by absolutely dominated oft cultural fear of judgement. >> and i completely stirring up the resentment that i think it's been building up for years and years in this case, yes, it has. >> but then, you know, the tory government have been in power the previous two keir starmer for 13 years, and they have a lot to answer for. and unfortunately he's inherited, you know, a complete nightmare. i mean, i would not want to be leader right now who's migration goes back much longer than that. well they do but they you know, you can say they start with tony blair, but then, you know, the tories did absolutely nothing to speed up the processing. you know , the state of the home know, the state of the home office under theresa may. it's just escalated over years. >> this is what i talk about. this is when i talk about a

certain sort of category of person in this country who is absolutely not interested in addressing issues, because it sounds a little bit too much like hard work. >> you know, you're not going to persuade sort of the average tory minister. >> you've really got to learn all about the, you know, the kashmiri community and their living foibles. >> they're absolutely not going to do that. >> it's not in their interest. >> it's not in their interest. >> we're going to come back to you. you're listening to me. i'm andrew pierce. i'm standing in for the fabulous nana akua here on gb on your tv and on digital radio. next has olympic boxing row exposed unfairness

welcome back you with andrew pierce i'm here for in nana akua on gb news on digital radio. now the sports secretary lisa nandy. she's culture secretary. she's been at the olympic games. she's expressed her plans to engage with sporting organisations, organisations to address what she calls issues of inclusion and fairness and safety. this follows the huge controversy over the algerian boxer at the olympics, imani khalife . the

olympics, imani khalife. the international boxing association has said they would award italian boxer angela carini the prize money she would have won if she became olympic champion. cofinne if she became olympic champion. corinne has been in the spotlight after abandoning her fight against the algerian boxer. she said she'd never been hit so hard . khalife the athlete hit so hard. khalife the athlete at the centre of a gender eligibility storm. her next fight is against a hungarian. so let's carry on this conversation. look to all intents and purposes, khalife was banned by another sporting body from taking part in the world boxing championships because she failed a gender test more male than female . well, is more male than female. well, is that too simplistic? >> it is a bit simplistic because the problem is we denote sex biological sex by a few different factors. one is chromosomes, which in this case this is the difference. yeah, it's also genitals because. >> because she had she had xy chromosomes. >> yeah. and so it's also to do with internal and external genitals, hormone levels. yeah so there's a, there's a variety of factors that, doctors will

use to determine the biological sex of a person. yeah. right. so let's differentiate that from gender because that's important to say. and, we refer to people that have, variable characteristics as having disorders of sex development . disorders of sex development. and there's an estimated 0.0, nought 6 to 2% of the population . nought 6 to 2% of the population. that number is so contested because so many different medical outlets have different ideas of how many people there are. if it's 2%, that's1 million people in the uk, right now. the reason it's important to differentiate this from the transgender issue is because people that are intersex, or people that are intersex, or people that are intersex, or people that have these dsds, they're not out about it. they can't be because it's sometimes they don't even know. many people don't even know because when you're born, because because she she felt test, she failed a test on one element of you know what was denoted as her sex. there are other elements she didn't fail on hormones. she didn't fail on other on genitals. presumably. i don't know, i don't think they go there as far as to inspect that.

but my point being that we have oversimplified the process by which we determine someone's sex and also what on earth if somebody has a particular characteristic that is, you know, very different to the majority of the people that they're fighting against. you know, if it's ridiculous strength or bone length, we don't exempt them from the class. so what are we supposed to do? is she to be banned from all sport forever because we don't know where we put her? >> it's different, isn't it? because if she was running okay, she may leave her rivals trailing in her wake because she's stronger. but this is a fight where she could potentially do a lethal injury . potentially do a lethal injury. >> yeah, this is this is the problem. and i think some people might say that therefore, that there are double standards here for my position to be. >> but i think when it comes to a combat sport rather than simply a contest of who can run the fastest, who can run the farthest, simply because there is the risk of very serious people die from boxing. >> yeah. let's be clear here. most boxers end up in a very bad situation in later life anyway. >> and isn't the evidence bend

it. a male boxer can punch two and a half times harder than a female boxer. i think that's a sort of a base threat, actually. >> i think in many cases it can be a lot harder. but it's one of those things where you actually organisational bodies do need to take the welfare of athletes into consideration as well. and it's very unfortunate for this individual, for imani khalife, that she is in this situation. but i don't think that you can compromise on not just the fairness but also the safety of an entire sport based on what her wishes are. and i know that this might seem very therefore unfair , that that people would unfair, that that people would say she shouldn't be competing . say she shouldn't be competing. but there are reasons, for a start, that you have things like weight categories and boxing. that's to actually try and make it as fair as possible. now, other people might point out, well , nobody's other people might point out, well, nobody's making anybody be a boxer. you decide to do this, you know what the risks are. but i think that when you have the disparity in terms of strength, which is not something that is necessarily measured, and maybe that's something that should be measured going forward, is the ability of each to punch, because it shouldn't be about strength of punch. it should be about points, it should be about combinations. >> that's actually what tactics. >> that's actually what tactics. >> yes, that is actually what boxing is judged on. >> and certainly at the olympic

level, >> then maybe that's what needs to be done going forward. >> but in this instance, very unfortunate for miss khalife, i don't think she should be allowed to compete. if the discrepancy is that large that a very talented boxer opponent after a couple of seconds. so do you know what? no. this is unsafe . unsafe. >> not sitting there going, it's desperately unfair. and she's man. >> this, that or the other that's been mischaracterised. >> she retired from the fight because she said, i've not been punched this hard before. >> and the inference being this is not a safe fight for me to be in. >> i mean, it's really interesting because i used to box, i mean, amateur boxing, not box, i mean, amateur boxing, not box professionally , obviously. box professionally, obviously. >> and i'm glad you told me that. >> yes. just so you know, both of us just sort of. yeah. and i went to a boxing gym where where went to a boxing gym where where we women did actually box the men with the men, but they always did it based on our height and our weight and, and, there was something very odd about being punched by a man, evenin about being punched by a man, even in a kind of a sporting arena. you know, it is quite it's quite an odd, harder punch. i can't really remember. i just remember feeling like he fell on it, fell on that because the

idea of being hit felt odd because i've never been hit before. no, i've never been knocked. >> but is there also a sense also that the men are pulling their punches slightly? is there that slight sort of hesitancy? >> well, right. and that's that they have to overcome that. but then when they do overcome that, you get an experience of male aggression that maybe you've never had before. yeah, but we are talking about someone who's completely biological male in that situation. yeah so i mean, itake that situation. yeah so i mean, i take your point, but i think actually we have to think of better ways to measure physical prowess in order to be able to accommodate people, like just briefly. >> but isn't the fact that it is a combat sport why she has to be treated differently to somebody? perhaps in a in a road race cycle race, because you can be trading in their wake but not be in physical peril. well, i think some of these female boxers are in physical peril at the hands of this, this athlete. >> well, i think that has to be discussed further. i agree with you, benedict. i think it's a good point about measuring punch power. you know, i mean, if we're going if we're going to be measuring anything. yeah. have a, have a class of that and then put people against each other. yes. >> why not. because then actually you're measuring talent

rather than simply brute strength. >> and i don't think anybody would disagree with that, that it's about talent rather than simply who can punch the hardest. >> because that's not a spectacle that most people should enjoy watching, certainly not at the olympics. i don't think she didn't even look. >> she i mean, it's unfortunate, but when you saw her get in the ring, i thought, my god, she's like a man. mountain. >> i don't know, i didn't i didn't really think that. i mean, because having boxed with so many different kinds of people, you know, at the gym that i used to go to, didn't really occur to me to think that, i mean, what what is very important about this is that she is not treated as some kind of panah is not treated as some kind of pariah because of you know, sheer luck of birth, because that's what this comes down to, i think. >> i think angela carini is female. yeah. but i do think also angela carini has gone to sort of great lengths to say, look, i'm not having a go at her, but actually it's the sort of the setup that that's, you know, it's the circumstances around it that are the issue. but yeah, again, if the olympics goes to great lengths to test people for doping for all sorts of things, i don't think it actually is beyond the wit of olympic organisers to think this is not the, the ibc or anything

like this. it's not one of the many organisations that have question marks over them. we can set a higher standard and if that means actually making our athletes jump through more hoops so that they can compete on a fairer basis, that's not beyond their realms of possibility, is it? >> yeah, i think it's a debate that's going to run and run. >> absolutely. >> absolutely. >> and so it should remember to let me know your thoughts on all of the stories we've been discussing today. you can visit gbnews.com forward, slash your say and join the conversation. and you're not going to want to miss this because later on we're speaking to the son of donald trump, eric trump. just weeks after his father was almost assassinated. that will be required viewing. that's this evening. later on from 9:00. don't miss it. you're listening to andrew pierce. i'm for in nana akua. time is now 330. >> good afternoon. 330. i'm ray addison in the gb newsroom. our top stories protests are currently taking place in several parts of the country. increased stop and search powers have been given to police in

liverpool city centre and surrounding areas to stop serious violence. an extra officers have been drafted to in reassure communities there. in hull, around 100 people have gathered outside of a migrant hotel being guarded by police, where a window has reportedly been smashed. meanwhile, police in riot gear were deployed in belfast amid tense exchanges between protesters and an anti—racism rally , with a small anti—racism rally, with a small number of fireworks being thrown . number of fireworks being thrown. northumberland police have accused protesters of unforgivable violence and disorder following rioting in sunderland city centre last night. videos posted online showing a former police office ablaze while a mosque was also targeted. vehicles were overturned and set on fire as rioters clashed with police throwing rocks and bottles. five officers were injured , with four officers were injured, with four hospitalised and ten people so far arrested for offences including violent disorder and burglary. the uk's most senior police and crime commissioner is urging the government to explain

how it will solve mass uncontrolled immigration following rioting and civil unrest. donna jones is calling for sir keir starmer to address protesters concerns as the country faces more than 30 demos this week alone. weekend. rather, she said, the announcement of the pm's new violent crime unit has led to an accusation of two tier policing and inflamed protesters . the 17 and inflamed protesters. the 17 year old, accused of murdering three girls in southport, once starred as doctor who in a bbc children in need advert. then 11 year old axel rudakubana can be seen leaving the tardis back in 2018 and telling viewers how best to raise money. a spokesperson for bbc children in need said they'd removed the video out of respect for those impacted by the shocking case. right. those are the latest gb news headlines . right. those are the latest gb news headlines. for right. those are the latest gb news headlines . for now, right. those are the latest gb news headlines. for now, i'm ray addison more in half an hour from tatiana sanchez for the very latest gb news direct to

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well, the fallout continues, doesn't it? from the former bbc broadcaster huw edwards. he pleaded guilty on wednesday to multiple counts of possessing indecent images of children, some as young as seven. the culture secretary, lisa nandy, has urged edwards to return his salary after it was revealed he was paid £200,000 of licence payers money. that's you and me paying payers money. that's you and me paying for that after all. after his arrest in november, the director general of the bbc, tim davie, he's the big boss, admitted the corporation was made aware about the category of the newsreader's offences, i.e. how serious they were back in november when someone is arrested, there's no charges. >> also, another factor at this point was very significant duty of care considerations. i think it was right for to us say, look, we'll let the police do their business. >> and then when charges happen, we will act. >> so that's the director general of the bbc. well, edwards was, of course, the bbc's highest paid broadcaster. he's the man who told the world

that her majesty the queen was dead. he was the highest paid broadcaster on £479,000 before he resigned in april. well, still with me in the studio is the author and commentator, nichi hodgson and journalist and broadcaster benedict spence. so i've known huw edwards not well, but for many years a remarkable broadcaster. i don't think any of us can quite understand what he was sharing. whatsapp pornography. the children as young as seven. i can understand the bbc saying, well, we didn't sack him because he was arrested. he hadn't been found guilty, but benedict, when he was arrested in november , huw was arrested in november, huw edwards knew he was as guilty as hell. he pleaded guilty in court last week. he knew he was guilty. didn't he have a moral duty to either resign then or at least not take the salary? bear in mind he's also gone on top of the salary, a huge gold plated bbc pension. well, plus they

gave him. what were they thinking of after november? a £40,000 pay rise. >> this is. i mean, this is the tncky >> this is. i mean, this is the tricky thing, isn't it? morally is he. is he sort of. tricky thing, isn't it? morally is he. is he sort of . should he is he. is he sort of. should he be giving this back? i mean, we can all sit here and say that. yes he should, but from his perspective it will be thinking, well, i'm never going to work again. so actually i need to keep as much money as i can. i need to look after myself. potentially. i need to look after relatives as well so i can sort of see why. actually, i don't think it's good enough for us to sit here and say, oh, he should, because why would he? he's not he's not going to get the opportunity to make that kind of money again. what i think we should be asking instead is, as you sort of pointed out, why was he given a pay pointed out, why was he given a pay rise whilst he was under investigation? that was the wrong the quite literally the worst moment to give anybody a pay worst moment to give anybody a pay rise. and i think also possibly what the bbc needs to do is learn from this and other pubuc do is learn from this and other public bodies perhaps need to learn from this publicly funded bodies and say there needs to be a mechanism by which we do not end up handing out. quite so much money whilst people are under investigation. maybe later on, if it turns out that they've been exonerated, we can back pay them the money that they would

otherwise have been due. but part of signing up to working for something like the bbc is if you are under investigation and you're arrested, actually you forfeit a part of that salary or all of that salary until such time as you've been exonerated and maybe that needs to be the system going forward, because otherwise you do find yourself in a tricky situation where a big name star can keep on taking money. and as you've also pointed out, they're going to keep on taking that very well paid pension as well. >> peter pincher, nicky the bbc were aware in november when he was arrested the nature of the offences you remember what had happenedin offences you remember what had happened in the few months earlier. the sun had exposed him as being the bbc broadcaster. the bbc presenter, who'd been paying the bbc presenter, who'd been paying for lewd images of a young person not. there was no breach of the law, but bad judgement and he was taken off air. yes, but that none of that's illegal. but you could question his judgement. but now, in november, they discover he's been arrested over incredibly serious matters , sharing images serious matters, sharing images of children as young as seven. i

don't know if they knew the complete detail, so to carry on paying complete detail, so to carry on paying him. but then to give him a £40,000 pay rise as well. i can't see how any of that can be justified. >> it's very complicated because is it? well what's complicated about it is, you know, they keep saying we had a vague idea of what the arrest was for, but we didn't know the details. that's the that's the line that. well, exactly. that's the line they're trotting out. but if anybody in any organisation is arrested, don't you try and find more out and status of huw edwards . and status of huw edwards. >> probably one of the most famous broadcasters in the land, one of the most respected, one of the most distinguished. the reason this story has gone worldwide viral is because he was trusted by the bbc to tell the world her majesty the queen had died. that that opening phrase from him, buckingham, was broadcast around the world. he was a huge figure. of course, they had a duty to ask, what have you been arrested over? >> absolutely. i mean, the thing that i would say, though, about, you know, giving the money back is actually, as far as i understand it, if you are a

teacher and a similarly arrested or if you work in the police, you also don't forfeit pay. you're suspended from service, but you still are paid. so actually, this isn't just about the bbc. this is about a system that continues to reward people even when they've been accused of extremely serious things. so if you were so the culture secretary has intervened, she says , pay it back. says, pay it back. >> is she right? >> is she right? >> well, i don't see how she can say he pays it back and nobody else pays it back either . say he pays it back and nobody else pays it back either. change the law so that it's uniform , the law so that it's uniform, right? you know, don't just pick on him. >> well, is it not because he is huw edwards? because he is such in such an exalted position? he was the voice of the country almost. he was the new david dimbleby. yeah. the bbc is paid for by the taxpayer , of course. for by the taxpayer, of course. >> and that's why this, this issue has been highlighted. but about what? nick has just said is probably not common knowledge to most people, that if you're sort of arrested and suspended for something along these lines, that actually you continue to be paid and there is no mechanism to get that back . and as i say, to get that back. and as i say, i think that it is a learning opportunity for the government to look at legislation around maybe changing, say, when you are arrested or suspended for

these sorts of things that that can pay, can be put on hold and if you are found guilty of something, well, then you never see it. but you know, if you are exonerated, maybe it's sort of returned to you because you can't have a situation where actually people just don't earn at all. you know, in that situation, if they are suspended because then all sorts of malicious things can be done to people to harm them, and then even if they're exonerated, they come out of a prison cell, sort of, you know, blinking at the light and think, i've got no money. you know, my reputation has been ruined. so we do need to balance this. it's perhaps it will take a high profile case such as this to have a reassessment of the system as it currently is. but i go back to what i was saying at the start. if we decide that we're going to turn huw edwards into some sort of penniless individual because he can't work anymore, well, the state will end up paying for him either way . either way. >> so it's i'm not going to my heart is not going to bleed for a penniless huw edwards because not only was he earning nearly, neither would i, but we'd end up doing all the after dinner speaking tours. he's a very. >> we'd pay for him anyway. that's the thing. if we went after all his money and the state tried to take everything all of his savings, his house,

all of his savings, his house, all that sort of thing, we'd end up paying for him either way. >> £200,000. he got paid off because it's now coming up next. so george howarth, he's a veteran labour figure who's going to be in political hot

well, if you've just joined me this is gb news on tv , online this is gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. well it's time now for this week's political spotlight. joining me to shine a light on matters westminster is the former labour minister, sir george howard. sir george, good afternoon to you . george, good afternoon to you. >> good afternoon. >> good afternoon. >> well, you must have a smile on your face. you've got a labour government. they've won an election for the first time since 2005. they've been in power nearly a month. how are they doing, sir george ? they doing, sir george? >> i think they've got off to a really good start, >> they've dealt with, some difficult issues pretty quickly, and they've been confronted with

what harold macmillan referred to as events over the last few days since the appalling murder of those three little girls in southport and then the following, violent and thuggish demonstrations by members of the far right, they haven't got to the point where everything's now under control. >> but they called in the police chiefs and they're looking at, setting up an organisation of police nationally that will deal with these problems. i just think it's been steady rather than euphoric. and that's what i think the country wants to see. >> yeah, i think i agree with that. on the unrest, sir george. i mean, of course there's the pubuc i mean, of course there's the public was appalled by what happenedin public was appalled by what happened in southport, the murder of those three little girls. but i my own view is that there's been a simmering unease and resentment and antagonism in

many communities over the huge increase in immigration to this country in the last ten, 15, 20 years. and some people feel alienated in their own communities. and while i'm not legitimising for a second the violence, it's unacceptable. i do think the government needs to be aware and shouldn't just dismiss this as a knee jerk response to southport . response to southport. >> i think, first of all, it's important in the current circumstances to separate those two things out because as you alluded to , if it's if we say it alluded to, if it's if we say it too crudely, then it gives oxygen to those who are involved in these unlawful and disgraceful, demonstrations. so having said that, i think it's important that we it's long overdue, in fact, that we have a serious conversation that's

conducted respectfully and sensitively about immigration in this country. what we not only what the, concerns about it are, but also about what the advantages of it are. and we haven't had that. and politicians are to be fair, myself included, have shied away from having that conversation. but i think we need now to have it. >> yeah, i think that's right. let me move you on to rachel reeves. she did her big statement on monday , and the statement on monday, and the surprise was her decision to cancel the winter fuel allowance for around 10 million pensioners. do you think she's got that politically correct? because it will save about 1.6 billion, sir george, which is, you know, in terms of the national debt, what is it, a trillion and a half. it's small beer and it's going to impact some families, some pensioners who are barely on £12,000 a yeah who are barely on £12,000 a year. and it could cause genuine

hardship, were you entirely comfortable with what she announced ? announced? >> no, i wasn't entirely comfortable with it . and i comfortable with it. and i think, you know, if she were to be in a position to say so, i'm not sure rachel would either. but what was made clear during the, general election was that she would be a responsible chancellor of the exchequer . she chancellor of the exchequer. she wouldn't spend money that the country didn't have, and then finds herself with a £20 billion plus black hole in the public finances. so she had to do things that, you know, probably in other circumstances, she wouldn't have considered . so wouldn't have considered. so i think the important thing is she's taken the action she thinks necessary to study the finances of the company, that the country and reassure people that, you know, it's not going

to be a spend, spend, spend government, but a careful, considerate, thoughtful government that doesn't spend what can't be afforded . what can't be afforded. >> it would have been probably more probably a more popular thing with some of your colleagues, because when she announced it, sir george, i looked at some of your colleagues, former colleagues on the labour benches , silence and the labour benches, silence and gloom. if she perhaps targeted at the wealthier pensioners, and if she'd, said the king doesn't need this money, nor does tony blair. rather than meaning affecting people who are at the opposite end of the income scale . opposite end of the income scale. >> yeah. i mean, i think that's true. and i do hope they come up with a way of dealing with those who will be adversely affected by it , but it who will be adversely affected by it, but it is equally true to say that a lot of people who are very wealthy are entitled to this winter fuel allowance and don't need it at all, you know, and i've got a couple of friends who, have been saying who are

very wealthy, and who've been saying for several years to me now, why am i getting this money? actually, they don't claim it, but, you know, money? actually, they don't claim it, but , you know, there claim it, but, you know, there are people who recognise the wealthy as you say, that it's not really appropriate for them to be subsidised in that way. so i do hope when this, you know, all comes out in the wash that rachel and i'm sure she will, will look at the effect. this is going to have on those who simply can't afford it all right. >> that's sir george howarth. thank you so much for joining us. that was talking about the winter fuel allowance being cancelled for so many people . cancelled for so many people. i'm andrew pierce i'm in for nana akua here on gb news. the time is coming up to 4:00. >> looks like things are heating up . boxt boilers sponsors of up. boxt boilers sponsors of weather on gb news >> hello there. welcome to your

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>> well . >> well. >> well. >> hello and welcome to gb news on your tv and on your digital radio. i'm andrew pierce, standing for in nana akua joining me today broadcaster and columnist lizzie cundy. and the former labour party adviser matthew laza. coming up sunderland protests another night of serious violence on the streets as protesters attacked a police officer . they set a car police officer. they set a car on fire and surrounded a mosque. and the great british debate this hour i'm asking, has the olympic boxing row exposed unfairness in women's sport? the un special adviser on violence against women and girls says the olympics should bring back sex testing to protect female athletes from injury and difficult conversations. i'm going to join you in the studio

by ellen middleton, a young woman who's using tiktok to raise awareness of her incurable neurological condition and the impact it's had on her life. but before we get started, we're going to get the latest headunes going to get the latest headlines with tatiana sanchez . headlines with tatiana sanchez. >> andrew, thank you very much and great to see you. the latest from the gb newsroom. protests are currently taking place in several parts of the country, with ministers expected to meet to discuss the potential for further widespread disorder. increased stop and search powers have been given to police in liverpool city centre and surrounding areas to stop serious violence. extra police officers have been drafted in to reassure communities in hull. around 100 people have been gathering outside a migrant hotel being guarded by police, where a window has been smashed. meanwhile, police in riot gear were deployed in belfast amid tense exchanges between

protesters and an anti—racism rally, with a small number of fireworks being thrown. northumberland police have accused protesters of unforgivable violence and disorder following rioting in sunderland city centre last night. videos posted on social media showed a former police office ablaze while a mosque was also targeted. vehicles were overturned and set on fire as rioters clashed with officers throwing rocks and bottles . five throwing rocks and bottles. five police officers were injured and four hospitalised, and ten people arrested for offences including violent disorder and burglary. chief superintendent mark hall issued this warning to rioters. >> make no mistake, if you were involved last night, expect to be met with the full force of the law. i want to make it absolutely clear that the disorder, violence and damage which has occurred will not be tolerated . tolerated. >> the uk's most senior police and crime commissioner is urging the government to explain how it

will solve mass, uncontrolled immigration following rioting and civil unrest. donna jones is calling for sir keir starmer to address protesters concerns, as the country faces more than 30 demonstrations this weekend alone. she said the announcement of the prime minister's new violent crime units has led to an accusation of two tier policing and, quote, inflamed protesters . the 17 year old, protesters. the 17 year old, accused of murdering three girls in southport, once starred as doctor who in a bbc children in need advert . then 11 doctor who in a bbc children in need advert. then 11 year old axel rudakubana can be seen leaving the tardis in 2018 and telling viewers how best to raise money. it's understood the teenager was found for the video through a casting agency. a spokesman for bbc children in need said they had removed the video out of respect for those impacted by the shocking case. two men have appeared in court charged in connection with an

alleged arson attack on ukrainian linked businesses in london. 22 year old jacqui barrington rose, of croydon, a 19 year old igneous asmina of wandsworth, have both been charged with aggravated arson following a counter—terrorism investigation. rose was also charged with possession of an offensive weapon. the metropolitan police believe the offences were carried out on behalf of russia's wagner group and donald trump has agreed to debate vice president kamala harris . he accepted debate vice president kamala harris. he accepted an debate vice president kamala harris . he accepted an offer harris. he accepted an offer from fox news for a televised face off on the 4th of september. it's not yet known if the presumptive democratic nominee will agree to take part, although she's previously indicated she is ready. trump says the debate will feature a full arena audience. errol malkovitch, spokesman for republicans overseas, told gb news trump is annoyed and calling the shots. >> he agreed to do two debates with president biden, but unfortunately , president biden unfortunately, president biden didn't have the ability to go

the length of the full length of the length of the full length of the distance. and he, donald trump, feels a little bit cheated that he spent all of this money and campaigning against somebody who is obviously a zombie candidate. in addition to that, he's got a current litigation with george stephanopoulos and abc and so he no longer feels that since the terms have changed, that he should have to do the debate there. and it looks like as of this morning, per his own messages on truth social, that there will be a debate. it will be in pennsylvania, and it will be in pennsylvania, and it will be two days before early voting starts. >> and those are the latest gb news headlines. for now i'm tatiana sanchez. more from me in half an hour for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code , alerts by scanning the qr code, or go to gbnews.com forward slash alerts . slash alerts. >> hello and welcome! i'm andrew pierce and i'm sitting in for nana akua live across the united kingdom on gb news. well, those

protests more are planned across the uk this weekend. five police officers were injured, four hospitalised and ten people arrested after another night of serious violence on the streets, protesters attacked a police officer, set a car on fire and surrounded a mosque in sunderland. what are they thinking of that? says the prime minister warned protesters they face the full force of the law as he tries to crack down on the violence. this all comes, of course, after those three little girls were savagely murdered dunng girls were savagely murdered during that mass stabbing in southport earlier this week. well, let's go now straight to our gb news reporter, adam cherry, who is outside the home office. adam good afternoon again to you. there's no sign of the home secretary, but i guess she is monitoring events closely because they. the fear is, if you look at the front page of the guardian today, they briefed the guardian today, they briefed the papers that the far right, they say, are planning even more disruption . disruption. >> that's right. andrew. yes, we've actually moved. we were

outside the home office all day long. and now if the viewers on television will see behind me, we're on parliament square and that's because there's another protest going on today unrelated to the far right that you've just described. this is a palestine solidarity campaign protest , which has, we protest, which has, we understand within the last hour or so , collided with some or so, collided with some counter protesters. and here they're just off camera to my right on all of whitehall, thousands of people . and so in thousands of people. and so in the last, as i say in the last hour, the last, as i say in the last hour , the metropolitan police hour, the metropolitan police have said that there have been two arrests here. one because a protester gave a nazi salute to a counter protester and another because someone had a sign from a proscribed organisation. now we don't know what that organisation was, although people will speculate. and again, as i say, for those watching on television behind me, you can see they're sort of spilling out and the majority of them were focused the majority of them were focused along whitehall itself. there's a platform speakers, they have to disperse by 430. that's a direct

order from the metropolitan police. of course , whether that police. of course, whether that happensin police. of course, whether that happens in time remains to be seen. happens in time remains to be seen . but to your point, andrew. seen. but to your point, andrew. yeah, the home secretary, we are expecting to hear from her. hopefully by this afternoon or perhaps tomorrow morning. she'll have more to say on this. yes. she's briefed the newspapers. but don't expect this to be the last from the government over the weekend. in fact, we understand also that the government is having a cabinet meeting discussing all of this within the next few hours or perhaps within the next hour. so a lot going on and a very busy moment. as i said to you earlier , moment. as i said to you earlier, andrew, the honeymoon period is very much over for this government. >> one month in just a personal view here. i'm just sick to death of these guards of protesters every saturday. why do they need to do it? they've made their point. they cause huge disruption. and a lot of the a lot of it . there are the a lot of it. there are anti—semitic elements within it . anti—semitic elements within it. it devotes huge police resources to have to patrol it. i just wish they'd just give up and go away. it's the summer. let's have a break from it.

>> well, i mean, i have to say today what i've seen has been peaceful . however, i have seen peaceful. however, i have seen several signs with the words from the river to the sea on them, which of course, we understand as an antisemitic phrase. so yeah, that is still here today, andrew. >> all right. that's adam cherry, who is at parliament square. we're going to go now to liverpool and speak to gb news reporter anna riley where there were demonstrations. it sounds pretty noisy. anna, what's going on? well, andrew, these demonstrations continue, but the police have put a dispersal order in place to move on protesters, both from the original protest that was scheduled here. >> and the counter protest, which you can now see. so these are members of the counter protest group. you can see police here with helmets, riot shields and dogs. and on the opposite side is the other original protest that first began this afternoon. we know that the counter protesters, as

you can see, they've got signs up saying stop fascism . refugees up saying stop fascism. refugees are welcome here. stop racism. they have been heard her chanting, where's your tommy gone? at the group ahead . this gone? at the group ahead. this lady here has got a sign up saying not far right, just fed up. so i saw another similar sign as well at the original protest that began, a man saying, i'm not far right. i'm just a father. but if we just move on now, we can see this group here with police vans behind them. we know that officers with riot shields and helmets moved the crowd back earlier. when we spoke to you, with cans, bottles and coins being thrown. and then we know where we are now. the strand in liverpool, that a police officer on a motorbike was kicked and knocked off his vehicle by a demonstrator, and that a traffic cone has been thrown, and that one man was pinned to the floor

by officers as others tried to kick riot shields with demonstrators on this side of the road that you can see now, again chanting save our kids ! again chanting save our kids! we've also seen reports as well that a chair has been thrown by demonstrators that has hit an officer on the head here in liverpool, and that the windscreen of a police van was smashed as bricks and plastic barriers were thrown and bricks were pelted at vans , police vans were pelted at vans, police vans and officers by youths with their faces covered. and then that's when the riot officers got involved to move them back. we know that the police as well have extra powers in place under a section 60 order. at the moment, that's enhanced powers to stop and search and stop and search demonstrators and protesters . but as you can see protesters. but as you can see now, the police are further moving back this counter—protest group, they are doing their best to move back the original

protesters. and also this counter protest group . now that counter protest group. now that we see here again, their signs quite conflict here that we can see. i don't know if you can come in a little bit, john, but there's a lady here with a refugees welcome here sign and this man from the original protest in white. there's quite a tense standoff between them now that is going on. as you can see, that now. >> okay, anna, thank you for that. that's anna reilly in liverpool, and she'll keep us up to date on that. well, to discuss this further in the studio, my panel is the broadcast from columnist lizzie cundy and the former labour party adviser matthew laza matthew to you. first, it suits the government to say this is all being organised by the far right , but a all being organised by the far right, but a lot of all being organised by the far right , but a lot of the people right, but a lot of the people who will be at these demonstrations are not political activists. they are people who are saying, i'm not far right, i'm fed up or i'm worried about kids. well, clearly there are some people there who are just angry, still in shock about what happened. >> but it's but the truth of the

matter is they are being coordinated by the far right, because we've seen that and the what we saw in sunderland yesterday where the citizens advice bureau was set on fire. sunderland is an overwhelmingly white working class community, so it's not like the citizens advice bureau spends its time handing out advice to people other than the white working class of sunderland, so it's just completely self—destructive violence, which frankly, we saw in the 80s. >> you know, and more recently, when the brixton riots and things in the 80s and the toxteth riots, which tended to be around disillusioned afro—caribbean communities, and people ended up all the histories, you end up damaging your own community by setting things on fire. so, i mean, there clearly has been coordination by the far right as well . and i think what we saw well. and i think what we saw yesterday was such dignified. we saw buildings across the north—west and downing street lit up in pink in memory of the girls in southport. it's time to remember to remember them . are remember to remember them. are there any lessons to be learned as the court case goes on? then let's learn them. but this isn't the way. >> lizzie. i don't of course i deplore the violence, but i do think this is a i said it

earlier in the programme, years and years for some people of, disenchantment, unease. they people feel immigration has been too swift, too rapid in this country. it's not been managed properly. multiculturalism is not working as it should. and people feel isolated and strangers in their own community. >> you're exactly right. >> you're exactly right. >> and i think that lady sign said it all. you know, not far. right. fed up. yeah. and many , right. fed up. yeah. and many, many people feel that many people i speak to and i'm very close. my mother is from southport and i have family members there, and it's really affected the community beyond. and look, no, no , everyone is and look, no, no, everyone is against the thuggery on what we've witnessed . but you can we've witnessed. but you can understand that people are angry and i don't think keir starmer addressed it at all. well, because why didn't he explain why people are angry? why this country has become like it is since he's been in power ? since he's been in power? matthew? i mean, 3300 have already come in. people don't

know on the boats. and this is people are scared , frightened, people are scared, frightened, and they're thinking, if this can happen. and i know southport very well in this sleepy, beautiful seaside town, the stabbings of three beautiful little girls, this could happen to me, to my family, to my grandchildren . people are scared grandchildren. people are scared and frustrated and keir starmer isn't addressing that. >> i mean, immigration has become it is beginning to become a huge issue, isn't it? because, look, they said they'd got a solution for the boats. now the boats is minor, frankly. i mean, how the tory government allowed migration to reach if it was over a million people arrived last year that some people left. so the final figure was 675,000. that's a massive city pouring into this country every year. there's no homes for people, there's no schools, there's no houses. you know, we have angela rayner making a major statement in the last week about how she's going to create all these extra houses without conceding that the massive increase in migration , immigration, which migration, immigration, which started under a labour government under tony blair, is a big factor. it's the elephant

in the room, which they're not addressing. >> well, i think i mean, my migration legal migration was higher in the last few years of the conservative government. it was under any year, i agree, of the labour government and of course, a lot of the migration under labour was eu migration, where there was a kind of churn and people, a lot of people weren't home. what we're seeing is a lot of people joining their families. and the big issue about family visas was actually the labour government made a decision this week that it wasn't going to impose the limit that may come back to haunt them. it's going to review, remind people what they did. they're going to review the limit to on the increase the minimum earnings that you need to be able to bring somebody which was going to be it was going to go up to about 38,000. yeah, 37.5. yeah. yeah 38,000. and they've scrapped they. well they've paused it. they haven't scrapped it. so that'll be interesting to see what decision is made about that in the coming weeks. because obviously there is public anger about immigration. and you know labour does realise it has to get legal and legal, illegal and legal migration down. it does . migration down. it does. >> but matthew hardly mentioned it, did he, in the elections he didn't mention immigration in his manifesto. there's 10 million that have come in since

labour were last in power. if you know they're saying about building on the green belt, if we actually built a house every two minutes, it wouldn't be enough, which is why we need it wouldn't be enough. that's why people are angry, why they're scared, why i am actually so thinking of not being in. i love this country, but not wanting to live here anymore. i am actually frightened. i can't believe what i'm witnessing . and he didn't i'm witnessing. and he didn't talk about migration, immigration, did he? >> all the boats. i mean, we don't know that this case is anything to do with migration. we can't say that. well, let's take the case out of it. >> but he's got to be careful here about the political vacuum. if he doesn't fill it. because you know what, philip? nigel farage's reform party. >> yeah, i mean, look, they have to they have to look the immediate events that were happening this weekend where clearly people are being bused in from outside. there's real angen in from outside. there's real anger. frankly, there's real angen anger. frankly, there's real anger. in sunderland, we saw the community coming together this morning, many of them in sunderland shirts, as patriarch on england shirts as patriotic as anybody was throwing things last night, coming to clear up this morning we saw, you know, a pensioner with a saying saying nan against nan's against nazis, which you know, i thought was rather extremely heartfelt. so,

so at the moment you need to address the far right issue. clearly you. but we cannot allow disquiet about migration and disquiet about migration and disquiet about migration and disquiet about knife crime to become, to get moulded together and to become one set of political discontent which goes much wider than the far right. so let's deal with people who are who are exploiting communities, anger and grief at the moment. let's deal with that now, as we would with any group. but he has to address the anger. >> britain is on a knife edge. britain is on a knife edge and he has to address it. >> keir starmer is having a meeting this weekend and if the home secretary is going to speak, i hope that she does broaden it beyond what happened in southport, because it's not just about southport, it's in fact it's a lot about not southport. actually, this has been brewing for years in my view. >> it's been brewing and bubbung >> it's been brewing and bubbling and we're at a pressure point now. and you know what? he wants to get rid of these riots. you know what he has to do. stop the boats. you know he wants to improve dire housing. you know, he has to do stop the boat. he wants to, you know, you want to give the pensioners some money because stop the boats. >> but the other thing is, of

course, a policy called rwanda. >> we know it was driving people out of southern ireland. it was driving people out of northern ireland into southern ireland because they didn't want the migrants in northern lie—in to go to rwanda. >> well, one of the key things we've seen, one of the flashpoints, we've seen in aldershot over the last 48 hours is around. and in other places it's around a hotel which is which is full of people waiting for a decision. the first thing we need to do is get a system that works for people who shouldn't be here, are sent home, and we don't have local communities with their hotels full of full of tears. >> keir should we're going to address it. we're going to carry on. >> coming up. it's royal round up time. i'm going to be joined by the rob burrow ingrid seward to delve into the latest royal news. but next it's the great british debate. and i'm asking has the olympic boxing round exposed unfairness in women's sport? you i've also got poll in right now x asking you

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debate. this hour. i'm asking has the olympic boxing row exposed unfairness in women's sport? the fallout from the international olympic committee's decision to allow two female boxers, who were both disqualified from last year's world championships for failing gender tests, has continued. the united nations special adviser on violence against women and girls says the olympics should reintroduce sex testing to protect female athletes from injury. however, the olympic organisers have doubled down on their decision to allow taiwan's lin yu ting and algeria's imani khalife to compete, accusing their critics of participation in what they call a witch hunt . in what they call a witch hunt. well, to debate this, i'm joined by labour commentator stella chadha and risk policy researcher lottie more. i know i've made a terrible mess of stella's . stella's. >> no, you did it so well, andrew. >> oh, thank you very much, lottie. i'm going to go to you first, where do you stand on this? should these two women athletes who were not allowed to compete in the in the world championships because they were seen as too male ? should they be

seen as too male? should they be taking part in the olympics ? taking part in the olympics? >> they're not seen as too male. they are male. so, no, they shouldn't , you know, men are shouldn't, you know, men are stronger than women. we have categories in sport, sex categories in sport, sex categories for that reason. and thatis categories for that reason. and that is literally all there is to it. and what the ioc have done yesterday is they are doubung done yesterday is they are doubling down and they are supporting what is essentially a men's rights campaign, that neither safety or fairness come before male inclusion, that men and what men want in sport triumphs everything else. and thatis triumphs everything else. and that is not right. >> just explain, lottie, before ibnng >> just explain, lottie, before i bring stella into this . why i bring stella into this. why you say they are men, not women? because they were both born as born women, registered as women . born women, registered as women. they've not been transitioning in any shape or form . so sex in in any shape or form. so sex in humans is immutable because we are mammals and some people are born with disorders of sexual development. >> but they still have x, xx or xy chromosomes. so the two boxes

in question are male. they have xy chromosomes, and they also have a disorder of sexual development, they might have been raised female, but it doesn't matter how you identify your sex. is your sex. a piece of paper does not determine what your sex is. >> so that that that's really why we're having this debate. >> stella york to you. >> stella york to you. >> so lottie is speaking about fairness and about, facts . so fairness and about, facts. so let's look at the facts with these two athletes. we do not know what their dna testing is. we do not we do not have information on their chromosomes. this is not public information. this is sensitive medical records. we are basing our opinion on imane khelif based on what the eba said. so the international boxing association, as opposed to the ioc, the international olympic committee, now these two committees, these two organisations have been fighting for quite a few years now . and for quite a few years now. and let's look at the facts. so imane khelif , she has been born

imane khelif, she has been born and raised female as far as we know, and we have no evidence to point to the opposite. she has been competing for years. we do in this category a second category and until now her record has not been particularly stellar. but she has been improving as an athlete. she also competed in the 2020 olympics with no problem . her olympics with no problem. her status as a female has not been contested until the 2023 until 2023, where she beat a russian athlete now at that point, the eba, which the ioc suspicious of because the eba is bank, is backed by russian. the russian company gazprom, the russian owned company gazprom. and in 2020 they had a very controversial leader elected, a russian leader elected , who a russian leader elected, who a lot of people have been suspicious of, about corruption. and at that point, when imane khelif beat the russian athlete, that's when the eba said, we

tested here. she's not female. they never showed us the test. we do not know whether it was a dna test. and this is what the controversy is about. >> so look, lottie, you can see where stella is coming from there. she's saying, this is russian dirty tricks . russian dirty tricks. effectively got her banned from the international, boxing tournament last year. how do you respond to that? >> so , it's simply not true that >> so, it's simply not true that we don't know the sex, biologically, of these boxes . biologically, of these boxes. both of these boxes have had two sex tests performed on them by courts of sports arbitration, which is based in switzerland, by accredited laboratories, laboratories accredited by the courts of sports arbitration. they have x y chromosomes and neither boxer appealed that ban on the basis of that fact, because if they were actually women, that would have been the easiest appeal to win. and they didn't. so they are male. >> we know that that is, they do not have access to their chromosomes. we do not know that classified information. >> you both can't be right here. who's right? i mean, was what do

we know for a fact, lottie, that that was a result of that testing last year in switzerland? yes. >> yes we do . >> yes we do. >> yes. right. well that's pretty, that's pretty. that's hard to argue with. >> no, the chromosomes would not know the chromosomes. we know that they have dsd. and this is something that they found later. later. it's not something that they knew in advance. they are different from caster semenya as well. it should be noted. >> well, she was a runner. here's the difference here, though. stella, a runner can leave her opponent trailing in her wake. but that doesn't cause them potential lethal damage. these boxes , the italian boxer these boxes, the italian boxer said she'd never been hit so hard she feared for her life. she's why she pulled out of the fight. so that so is the olympic committee not actually endangenng committee not actually endangering female athletes by allowing a person who is seen, as lottie says, as a to man, compete against her, who can punch two and a half times as hard as a woman. >> because i'm into combat, sport myself, i'm into muay thai and i have done fights. i completely sympathise with the feeling of fighting someone who is male . it's completely

is male. it's completely different, but that is not the case here. this is not a this is a woman who has been defeated before and in boxing you have weight categories . so this woman weight categories. so this woman would have been weight matched to her opponent . so it cannot be to her opponent. so it cannot be possible that the differences what the difference would have been similar to a woman with raised testosterone levels, which is very similar to what we have here. so unless you are willing to say which you will find in all elite sports, you will find women with higher testosterone levels than the average woman. because it is. it is a simple fact that when you have higher testosterone, you have higher testosterone, you have higher testosterone, you have higher athletic capacity. >> lottie . >> lottie. >> lottie. >> yeah. i mean, so the boxing thing, you're completely right. boxing size is factored in because boxing is categorised by weight. a male who is boxing a female who is the same weight as him, is like a heavyweight man punching a lightweight man. as i said yesterday, i have male friends who are the same weight as me. they would beat me to a pulp as me. they would beat me to a pulp if they not. if they could,

sorry, they would be able to beat me to a pulp. it doesn't matter. testosterone matters. >> we don't disagree. i agree with you, but this is not the case. this is not a person. this is a person who has a womb. lottie. she has a womb. yeah. >> hang up. lottie last point. >> hang up. lottie last point. >> lottie, this is someone who is male, who has extraordinarily higher levels of testosterone going around. >> there was an undefeated lottie. she wasn't undefeated. it's the first time that she's doing so well. >> i think we're running out of time. we can't. of course. there's no we cannot. there's nothing to support the idea that there was russian dirty tricks involved in the decision to take these two athletes out of the international boxing tournament last year, to just put that on the record, just very finally , the record, just very finally, lottie in 10s should she should they both be dropped now from they both be dropped now from the international from the olympics , or is it too late? absolutely. >> for the sake, no , absolutely. >> for the sake, no, absolutely. they need they need to be. they can compete in their own category which is male. otherwise they should. they should go suella.

>> 10s. no. and you're relaxed about the fact that they could cause serious injury to a female opponent. >> i do not think that's the case for these two. >> all right. i wonder what you think. do let us know. i'm andrew pierce. i'm in here for, stella. for stella nana akua. let us know on all your thoughts and stories we've been discussing today by visiting gbnews.com/yoursay and join the conversation. and you're not going to want to miss this because tonight we're speaking to the son of donald trump . yes, to the son of donald trump. yes, eric trump is talking to gb news just weeks after his father suffered an assassination attempt. that's this evening from 9 pm. don't miss it. i'm andrew pierce in for nana akua . andrew pierce in for nana akua. >> andrew. thank you. the top stories this hour. >> andrew. thank you. the top stories this hour . protests are stories this hour. protests are currently taking place in several parts of the country , several parts of the country, with ministers expected to meet to discuss the potential for further widespread disorder. increased stop and search powers have been given to police in liverpool city centre and surrounding areas to stop

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pierce, who's standing in for the legend that is nana akua on gb news and on digital radio, where the panel are back to talk the great british debate this houn the great british debate this hour. and it's an issue i'm really vexed about. look, i don't do sport really, but i think the olympic boxing row has exposed or what do you do you agree unfairness in women's sport. the fallout from the ioc's decision to allow two female boxers who were both disqualified from last year's world championships, that's by a different sporting organisation for failing gender testers, continued the united nations special adviser on violence against women and girls says the olympics should reintroduce sex testing to protect female athletes from injury. but guess what? the olympic organisers? they've doubled down on their decision to allow taiwanese lin yu ting and algeria's imani khalife to compete, accusing their critics of participation in a witch hunt against them . in a witch hunt against them. unfortunate expression to use, frankly, a witch hunt. well, let's see what the panel think. they're back, of course. the broadcaster and columnist lizzie cundy, a former labour party adviser, matthew laza lizzie , adviser, matthew laza lizzie,

the woman in the room, >> disgraceful . >> disgraceful. >> disgraceful. >> i think the olympic committee need to hold their heads in shame. i was actually horrified watching it . i shame. i was actually horrified watching it. i found it very difficult to watch. and you can see the physicality, you know, of the sport. it's khalife. >> i mean, june is like a towering mountain , towering. towering mountain, towering. >> it's unbelievable. and the capacity, the muscle mass, you know , everything about the power know, everything about the power was extraordinary and frightening and what are we trying to do, erase women out of sport? it isn't fair. anyone is decent. can see that isn't fair. look, i was married to an athlete and you have they they from a young age. they are trained that what goes in to get them where they are to be professional. and this paul boxer angela, i think it's angela casini who trained all her life in pursuit of getting a gold medal and all that hard training, that discipline . and training, that discipline. and you're the pinnacle of your career at the olympics in 46 seconds, she's like , she's on

seconds, she's like, she's on her knees saying, it's not fair. >> and you've got people, matthew like martina navratilova, a brilliant female tennis player , sharon davis, who tennis player, sharon davis, who was an olympic silver medallist who was cheated out of a gold many years ago because of the cheating by the eastern european athletes who were bodies were filled with drugs. saying this isn't fair and it's not right. it looks to cruel me. >> yeah, i mean, look, i think there are two issues here, one of which is that we must realise this isn't an issue about trans participation in sport, which i know we're not confusing, but some people online are confusing because there's no there's no trans people. this is a but clearly he was born a woman. i was born a woman, but has obviously there are clear issues about but got x and y. yeah exactly. and therefore i think that i frankly we're going to have a bit of agreement here. lizzie, i agree that that with the un rapporteur on violence against women and girls, there clearly has to be there have to be rules that ensure protection, for women so that sports, that women's sport is fair. >> we were talking earlier and my earlier guest, she just said she's a man.

>> yeah. well, i mean, she , she >> yeah. well, i mean, she, she she was she was born a woman. she's lived as a woman. she isn't actually undefeated. she has lost some fights in the past, but clearly there needs to be before each competition. there needs to be a set of rules, which i mean, i mean gender test. i mean, i don't because obviously she was she was born a woman. but it needs to be about, you know, part of the performance enhancing drugs testing regime. i'm not saying that that she's been using performance enhancing drugs, but you know that, but but part of that testing regime needs to make sure that the people are competing on a level playing field in 2023, in the world championships, >> khalife was was told she couldn't fight. that's right. and the international boxing association said no way. so why why didn't the olympics committee take on board that? why aren't they doing a simple swab test that you can do, which is so easy and simple to do? >> the testosterone because there was one. there is no way and different rule now couldn't. >> i've played football against my ex—husband. you know, it was totally different. all tennis. he was faster, stronger. you

know, the muscle mass , know, the muscle mass, everything lung capacity is totally different . this is totally different. this is shocking. this has gone on. and i think the olympic committee have got a lot to answer for. and what's worrying me who's going to be the next opponent, what's going to happen to the next one? >> my own view, i think. >> my own view, i think. >> how many more broken noses? >> how many more broken noses? >> i think the opponents should refuse to fight her. now, this show is nothing, of course, without you and your views. so we are now going to welcome one of our great british voices. none other than miranda richardson from northamptonshire. miranda, good afternoon to you. very nice to see you again. >> afternoon, andrew. >> afternoon, andrew. >> where are you in this great debate? should she or shouldn't she be fighting women? >> okay , i'm at the point that. >> okay, i'm at the point that. >> okay, i'm at the point that. >> stop the bus. i want to get off. >> right. >> right. >> we have so many gender rules about what is male and what is female. and we spend this whole time going, women are women. >> if you're born with a womb, if you've got this up, make sure a woman she was born with all of that , right?

that, right? >> she was born a female, okay? she has these x and y chromosomes, which there is a condition, a syndrome where you can be born with both. and what happens in, in, in females is they don't produce ovaries. so there are plenty of women that don't have functioning ovaries who are born female. >> we are now at a point that's getting a little bit ridiculous that actually somebody who is a female and born a female, we're now saying, oh no, you can't compete because you've got these x and y, so therefore you must be a man so you can't fight. >> where are we going to stop doing this? to people? when are we going to stop? you know, she's an athlete. she is training. she's developing. yes. she's a big girl. yes. her muscle mass is different . yes, muscle mass is different. yes, it's. but actually she's still technically what we all keep shouting for. what is the difference between male and female? she's got all the all the characteristics, the genhaua the characteristics, the genitalia of a female born a

female raised the female. and now we're still going. no, can't be female. we've got to be male. when are we going to stop miranda cracking? >> that's why we love gb voices because they are often a different. thank you for your take. that's miranda britain taking a completely different take to the panel. and to me in fact, next, royal biographer ingnd fact, next, royal biographer ingrid seward will be here to give us the latest from what's going on behind those royal palace

welcome back. with andrew pierce standing for in nana akua on gb news and on digital radio. well there's always something going on in the royal household and this week has been no different. who better to take us through it than royal biographer ingrid seward? ingrid nice to see you and to see you too. she's extraordinary, isn't she? the indefatigable princess anne in the thick of the olympics, handing out prizes, enjoying herself because, of course, she

was a great sportswoman in her own day, wasn't she ? own day, wasn't she? >> yes, she was, and she's president of the olympic british olympic association, and she's beenin olympic association, and she's been in that position for 40 years, so she's very involved, in the olympics . and i love the in the olympics. and i love the way she's just so businesslike. >> you know, other people would be flinging their arms around the our gold medallists and there's, there's the princess royal just, you know, with her sort of really old fashioned dark glasses on and her suit looking really proper. >> and she's handing out the medals, you know, at the most exciting moments of these girls, many of them lives. and she's quite po faced. but but what we don't know is what she what she says is so good. she's great face to face, but she will not play face to face, but she will not play to the cameras and she won't do anything tactile. >> it's never been her style, is it not her style? >> i rather love her for it .

>> i rather love her for it. >> i rather love her for it. >> and i love that her hair is always exactly the same. and she she was. >> she made a joke about her hair, i think, when they were the actress that played her and the actress that played her and the crown said, oh, it took hours to get to get my hair to look like yours, ma'am. >> and she said, well, it only takes me ten minutes. and i just, i just think she is great. >> i met her at a she has a way with people. >> yeah. it's very genuine because she doesn't flutter all over them and kiss them and hug them . she's very genuine. them. she's very genuine. >> she is. and of course, just a few weeks ago, ingrid, she was in hospital because we never quite got to the bottom of it. whether she was either kicked by a horse or whether a horse, his head connected with her. because we know at the end of each day what she likes to do is go round gatcombe park, where she lives, and check on all her horses because she loves the horses. but i mean, she was clearly concussed and was in hospital for a good best part of a week. >> yeah, i think i think what happened was she she went to see

horses and, you know, at that particular time of year, it was 23rd of june. >> i think that , you know, >> i think that, you know, nearly five weeks, five weeks ago, and that there's a lot of horse flies and this and that when all these maybe she had some carrots for them, maybe she didn't. >> so they were all nuzzling round her. and i think, you know, they get the young horses get very finickity and kicky with each other. and i think she just landed on the end of that. and she had a mobile phone with her. but, and so no one could get hold of her, so and she did, but she didn't have a protection officer with her, which is like the royal detectives, you know, why would she? and so obviously, tim, dear loyal tim got worried. and, you know, they sent out a search party, and there she was. and i think she was still unconscious. so quite frightening for them. yeah >> extraordinary. also this week, of course, ingrid, sir robert fellowes, lord fellowes, i think he was actually, who was one of the queen's private secretaries . he passed away, i secretaries. he passed away, i

think he was 81, 82, he was married to princess diana's sister . so the funeral will be sister. so the funeral will be quite the occasion. and it will be interesting to see what royals go to that funeral, ingrid. royals go to that funeral, ingnd.and royals go to that funeral, ingrid. and not least, will prince harry return to england because it is his auntie's husband who's died ? husband who's died? >> well, harry is very fond of what he calls his red aunts, which is sarah and jane. and jane was married to sir robert fellowes, lord baron fellowes. i think he was , and i rather think he was, and i rather i think he was, and i rather i think that the spencer side of the family are very anxious that harry shouldn't be completely cut off, and they want to make sure that there's a home for him with them, if you see what i mean. you know, there's a welcome from the spencer side of the family . and i think, you the family. and i think, you know, if he's i think he i wouldn't be at all surprised if harry did come. i don't think for a moment meghan would become because we then have the problem of the security. but i think that harry might well come, just

to, you know, provide a bit of family unity. yeah. diana didn't like robert fellowes at all, nor did fergie. they used to call him bellows because he used to tell them off. well particularly fergie, who's actually a cousin of his. he used to tell her off and say, well, we didn't do very well today, did we, ma'am? and that very sort of rather grand way. yeah. so, so they, they called him bellows. so there's a lot of love lost there. but of course, i mean, he was a lovely, lovely person. apparently i met him a few times. and behind that sort of rather grand looking, sort of rather grand looking, sort of rather grand looking, sort of aristocratic look that he has, he was very funny and very cunning. >> we'll have to leave it there. that's ingrid seward and that funeral, of course , will be a funeral, of course, will be a big occasion. you're with andrew pierce on gb news on your tv and digital radio. next difficult conversations. we're talking to social media influencer ella middleton, who will be live in the studio to tell us about how she uses her large social media following to raise awareness of the neurological conditions

she's lived with since childhood. first, though, let's get the weather. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on gb news . news. >> hello there! welcome to your latest gb news weather forecast from the met office. it starts to turn more unsettled over the next few days, particularly across the north—west of the uk, with some heavy rain in the forecast, particularly by monday. but for now we do have weather fronts across the engush weather fronts across the english channel giving some outbreaks of rain here. england and wales generally dry with some sunny spells. early rain clearing but a scattering of showers for northern ireland and scotland as we end the day. but generally overnight, it turns dner generally overnight, it turns drier for a time , but then drier for a time, but then thicker cloud will bring patchy rain in across northern ireland. western parts of scotland generally stays dry across england and wales for everyone. temperatures staying in double figures but lower than recent night, so a little more comfortable for sleeping. so a mixed start to sunday. a lot of

cloud across the uk if we take a look at scotland first thing in the morning, you can see outbreaks of rain across western areas a bit brighter across parts of aberdeenshire. some sunny spells here, the rain extending into parts of northern ireland, western parts of northern england too, but generally light and patchy. some bright skies down the east coast of england, and then some hazy, sunny spells across parts of england and wales. but the cloud thick enough even across parts of wales, over the high ground for 1 or 2 splashes of rain as we move through the day, we'll continue to see outbreaks of rain pushing into northern ireland, north western parts of scotland, some heavier bursts possible at times, a few showers developing across the rest of scotland into northern england, perhaps wales later, as well. the best of any brightness holding on across east and south—east england. here temperatures rising to around 23 or 24 celsius for most, nearer to average, though feeling cooler than recent days. highs around 18 degrees as we go into the evening time. some heavier rain developing across parts of

northern ireland into western parts of scotland, which will continue through into monday as well. met office warning in force here for that heavy rain, followed by showers as we head into tuesday and wednesday. temperatures starting to come

>> this is gb news i'm andrew pierce standing in for nana akua . pierce standing in for nana akua. joining me today is the broadcaster lizzie cundy and former labour adviser matthew laza. firstly we've been talking about all the controversy surrounding her in the last houn surrounding her in the last hour. well the algerian boxer imani khalife is into the women's 66kg boxing semi—final after beating hungary's ana lucia hamori. but still to come, difficult conversation today is content creator and dystonia campaigner ella middleton. as you can see, ella has never let her condition get the best of her. she works hard to raise as much money as she can for research into the condition to

and make people aware of it. also, the great british debate this hour i'm asking should huw edwards, you know he is the bbc broadcaster that was give back the £200,000 he was paid after he was arrested for those serious pornography offences . serious pornography offences. this week, the former bbc broadcaster admitted to three charges of making indecent photographs of children, some as young as seven, arrested back in november, he went on to earn an estimated £200,000 for resigning on medical grounds. send your views and post your comments by visiting gbnews.com/yoursay . visiting gbnews.com/yoursay. >> andrew. thank you. the top stories this hour. protests are currently taking place in several parts of the country, with ministers expected to meet to discuss the potential for further widespread disorder. increased stop and search powers have been given to police in liverpool city centre and surrounding areas to stop

serious violence. extra police officers have been drafted in to reassure communities while merseyside police have said this hour that a number of officers have been injured during serious disorder in liverpool city centre. in hull, around 100 people have gathered outside a migrant hotel being guarded by police, where a window has also been smashed. meanwhile, police in riot gear were deployed in belfast amid tense exchanges between protesters and an anti—racism rally with a small number of fireworks being thrown. shadow home secretary james cleverly says the prime minister and home secretary need to do more to restore public order and send a clear message to the thugs . northumberland to the thugs. northumberland police have accused protesters of unforgivable violence and disorder following rioting in sunderland city centre last night . videos posted on social night. videos posted on social media showed a former police officer ablaze, while a mosque was also targeted . vehicles were was also targeted. vehicles were overturned and set on fire as rioters clashed with police officers throwing rocks and

bottles. five police officers were injured with four hospitalised and ten people arrested for offences including violent disorder and burglary. chief superintendent mark hall issued this warning to rioters. >> make no mistake , if you were >> make no mistake, if you were involved last night, expect to be met with the full force of the law. i want to make it absolutely clear that the disorder , violence and damage disorder, violence and damage which has occurred will not be tolerated. >> the uk's most senior and senior police and crime commissioner is urging the government to explain how it will solve mass, uncontrolled immigration following rioting and civil unrest. donna jones is calling for sir keir starmer to address protesters concerns as the country faces more than 30 demonstrations this weekend alone. she said the announcement of the prime minister's new violent crime unit has led to an accusation of two tier policing and inflamed protesters . the 17

and inflamed protesters. the 17 year old, accused of murdering three girls in southport, once starred as doctor who in a bbc children in need advert. then 11 year old axel rudakubana can be seen leaving the tardis in 2018 and telling viewers how best to raise money. it's understood the teenager was found for the video through a casting agency. a spokesman for bbc children in need said they had removed the video out of respect for those impacted by the shocking case. two men have appeared in court charged in connection with an alleged arson attack on ukrainian linked businesses in london. 22 year old jakeem barrington rose, of croydon and 19 year old agnes mina of wandsworth, have both been charged with aggravated arson following a counter—terrorism investigation. rose was also charged with possession of an offensive weapon. the metropolitan police believe the offences were carried out on behalf of russia's wagner group . behalf of russia's wagner group. donald trump has agreed to debate vice president kamala

harris. he accepted an offer from fox news for a televised face off on the 4th of september. it's not yet known if the presumptive democratic nominee will agree to take part, although she's previously indicated that she is ready. trump says the debate will feature a full arena audience. kamala harris has responded today in a statement accusing the former president of running scared and suggesting that he should stick to the debate. he already committed to on september the 10th. errol malkovitch , spokesman for malkovitch, spokesman for republicans overseas, told gb news trump is annoyed and calling the shots. >> he agreed to do two debates with president biden, but unfortunately , president biden unfortunately, president biden didn't have the ability to go the length. the full length of the length. the full length of the distance. and he donald trump feels a little bit cheated that he spent all of this money and campaigning against somebody who is obviously a zombie candidate . in addition to that, candidate. in addition to that, he's got a current litigation with george stephanopoulos and abc, and so he no longer feels that since the terms have changed, that he should have to do the debate there. and it

looks like as of this morning, per his own messages on truth social, that there will be a debate. it will be in pennsylvania, and it will be two days before early voting starts. >> and let's finish with some good news coming from the olympics. great britain's jake jarman took bronze in the men's floor final to win the nation's first artistic gymnastics medal of the paris olympic games. he was just 0.033 points behind the silver medallist and defending champion, 22 year old jarman went into the final with the highest score in qualifying, and also topped the floor standings dunng also topped the floor standings during the men's all round final . during the men's all round final. and those are the latest gb news headunes. and those are the latest gb news headlines . for now i'm tatiana headlines. for now i'm tatiana sanchez. more from me in half an hour for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code or go to gbnews.com forward slash alerts . forward slash alerts. >> hello and welcome you with andrew pierce standing in for nana akua on gb news across tv and digital . radio. well, now

and digital. radio. well, now it's and digital. radio. well, now wsfime and digital. radio. well, now it's time for this week's difficult conversation. i'm joined by somebody who is frankly a tiktok sensation. she's got more than 2 million followers on social media and works tirelessly to raise awareness for dystonia, a condition she's lived with since the age of 11. ella middleton joins me in the studio now . joins me in the studio now. ella, you're very welcome. i'm very envious of you having more than 2 million followers on social media. i thought i was doing pretty well with 300,000, but you're out there for a specific reason. you've got dystonia . can you explain what dystonia. can you explain what it is? >> so dystonia is an incurable neurological condition in the brain. >> so it affects the nerves and the muscles in the body and also in the brain . so i unfortunately in the brain. so i unfortunately had a horse accent when i was 11, a tragic accident a freak accident. >> we all have them. >> we all have them. >> and it made my it made me who i am today. >> it changed my life massively, but it's 100% made >> it changed my life massively, but it's100% made me >> it changed my life massively, but it's 100% made me the >> it changed my life massively, but it's100% made me the woman that i am today. >> so you suffered brain damage

as a result of the fall, did you? yes. >> so it's like it wasn't really brain damage. it was like it was bruising to the brain . yeah. bruising to the brain. yeah. >> and it was like trauma. so like trauma to the brain, which then caused the which caused the condition. >> so you can get dystonia where you're born with it. >> so generalised dystonia. >> so generalised dystonia. >> but i unfortunately wasn't born with it. >> mine was through an accident. >> mine was through an accident. >> so basically what happens is the nerves in the brain become faulty or die over time. >> so then your signal in the brain then obviously dies and obviously doesn't work anymore. so that's why i have like abnormal limbs. >> i have a little tremor. >> i have a little tremor. >> i have chronic pain. and that's why i have loss of feeling and stuff. >> because it's to do with the signal in the brain that has died. >> and the muscle that is deteriorating. so then you lose all the like the momentum, the movements and stuff and the sensation . sensation. >> so it's a multitude of things and you smile and you and you look great. >> thank you. so do you. >> thank you. so do you. >> but i mean, is the muscle deterioration going to continue. >> correct. so unfortunately there is no cure for my condition. >> so it affects one in every 100,000 people in the uk, which

is so rare because when i got diagnosed with dystonia, i thought it was a country at first because of like estonia. >> but yeah , unfortunately at >> but yeah, unfortunately at the moment there is no cure for dystonia. >> but i'm hopeful one day with all the fundraising everyone does and getting it out there and sharing it with the world, i am great. >> i'm hopeful that there will be a cure. >> and you are. what is modern modern parlance? you are an influencer , correct? influencer, correct? >> yeah. >> yeah. >> jen, explain to some people what that means. >> so to me, i classed an influencer. you basically show who you are, have fun , basically who you are, have fun, basically talk waffle behind a screen and raise awareness. >> do whatever you want to be, but share who you are as a person, your beauty, your naturalness, everything you want to be in life. you're sharing yourself. >> and that's what i think an influencer is. >> personally. >> personally. >> everyone has a stigma against an influencer, but it is a job. >> we do earn money, but also it's a job that i love doing because i get to spread awareness. i meet amazing people like yourself and everyone else here and it's like, you know, you're fulfilling dreams in a job that means so much to me. >> and why is it because dystonia isn't very well known?

clearly, because it's only affects 1 in 100,000, said and are the majority of those people who've got it. were they born with it or did they have an accident like, yes . accident like, yes. >> so it's all very different. so like some people can be born with it because obviously there's generalised but we've just started. >> so i have fixed functional dystonia. >> so what that is it affects all my body. so it affects like my brain it affects my arm. >> that's why i've got karen the claw and that's why i'm in a wheelchair as well because it affects all my body. >> so it's not just one part, but there is dystonia out there that are in just like the jaw, or they're just in the head or they're just in one arm. so it's dystonia is like a vast of many things. it's very similar to like parkinson's ms and motor neurone disease all in one. it's very much very similar in them departments. but it took me over a year to get diagnosed with my condition because really? yeah, because they didn't have an absolute scooby. what was going on. so after my accident, i woke up and they, you know, i said to my mum, look, i can't move my toes.i my mum, look, i can't move my toes. i can't feel my legs. so my mum was like, oh, what's going on? and then we went

through the process processes of like testing and stuff and i managed. my mum managed to like get me to a doctor and in great ormond street at a very young age and he, i wheeled in that day with my pops and my mum and he went, that young girl has got dystonia and now we're just like, what a relief that you finally got a diagnosis. >> how do you so you're in a wheelchair, your wheelchair bound now for the rest of your life 7 bound now for the rest of your life ? presumably, yes, unless life? presumably, yes, unless they find some cure. yeah. >> so i'm not, like, paralysed. so i can't feel from the knee down and like other parts of my body. but i did rehabilitation for years to, like, try and do some. so i do some steps on crutches. but i have good days and bad days with it. but i am 98% of the time in the chair. yeah, correct. >> and what about mentally, is it a struggle ? it a struggle? >> sometimes massively. i have days where i can't get out of bed. i have days where it's just like an absolute terror , where like an absolute terror, where it haunts me for could be like hours or days. i have days where i'm completely in so much pain that i can't physically move, andifs that i can't physically move, and it's soul destroying because it's like, i want to go out

there, i want to smile, fulfil my dreams, will down the road, go and meet my mum for lunch and sometimes it isn't that easy because every day is so different and it can be so soul destroying. i did counselling for ten years to accept who i was, because it took me ten years to accept my new life , my years to accept my new life, my new condition. being in a wheelchair, being adapted, having a stigma thrown at me, being bullied because i was in a wheelchair and it took ten years to grasp that and think this has made me me. were you bullied at school? massively, yeah. i'm so sorry. do you know it's one of those? it made me so strong in the end because i thought, i'm not going to let them win. and now they're the ones in my dms. now they're the ones want to go for lunch. i'm like , i'm okay. for lunch. i'm like, i'm okay. i'll leave that for another day. >> yeah, yeah, yeah. >> yeah, yeah, yeah. >> and you say as an influencer you make money. how do you how do you make that money? because you're you're because is it because you endorse products. >> so i basically so i work so i work with campaigns, i work with all different brands and stuff. i also go live, but i also do when i do videos , when you're when i do videos, when you're like when you when you make videos , everyone's different. so videos, everyone's different. so everyone's on like different

statues of pay. so everyone is very vast in all different like segments, if that makes sense. so i earn it through social media, but also through it through like like, i can't remember what they're called now. oh, brands. that's the word. right? >> and can i be personal? do you have a boyfriend. >> not really. i'm talking to someone, but no, not really, not at the minute. but you never know. looking for one? of course. yeah. of course , if course. yeah. of course, if anyone's lucky enough to have me, >> i think they'd be a queue of people and holiday with free parking. i mean , holidays. parking. i mean, holidays. >> can you, i mean. >> oh, absolutely. i've just come back from ebay for him. i went to ebay for had an amazing time, but that's what i love. i love to go out there, share a story. and just so just because you're in a wheelchair doesn't stop you from being you. you can go out there, have fun, live memories, be who you want to be and fulfil your dream and do whatever you want to do in life , whatever you want to do in life, regardless of being in a wheelchair or not, or a hidden or visible disability. >> you can go do that and have many people with dystonia got in touch with you because of your campaigning. >> yeah, massively . >> yeah, massively. >> yeah, massively. >> that must be really.

>> that must be really. >> it's so rewarding, so rewarding because obviously it affects so small people. when i eventually have people come out to me where they've got dystonia, i'm thinking like , dystonia, i'm thinking like, it's so lovely to see that, you know, when i get messages, say, ella , you've made me get out of ella, you've made me get out of bed today and made me make a cup of tea or go, go for lunch. i'm just like that to me is my that's my inspiration. i feel like i've won the world when i have that because if i can make other people smile, that's what i want to do in life, make people smile and show that every disability has an ability and you can go out there and be happy and live your life. how you want to live it. >> well, you're making us smile and the do you with with the condition. ella, do you have to see doctors regularly? >> yes, i have medical botox every three months. so? so medical botox is basically they it helps relieve the muscle. so where it's so tensed and where it's so painful and crippling, it's so painful and crippling, it helps remove the remove the tension in the muscle. so i have it in my hand and i have it in my neck for my slight tremor. and what that does, that

relieves the tension so i can have a little bit more mobility. that's only it's not permanent. it's only just temporary. just to help, if that makes sense, to relieve pain, but have that every three months. my neurologist is in tooting in london and he's great. yeah. he's, he's he's really good. he unfortunately because there isn't such a cure when you go there , you still have that hope there, you still have that hope and you still have that. what if. but i do trials. i'm on the list for trials, for any new medications, any new surgeries around. >> and is there research being done into the into how to perhaps find a cure? >> ella. is that going on? >> ella. is that going on? >> the research there is a lot of there is a little research because it's so small. it's so hard to get out there. it's really big in america. is it? yeah.in really big in america. is it? yeah. in america it's really big, which you wouldn't think. but in america, dystonia is bigger than it is in the uk. >> is that so? >> is that so? >> yeah. i don't know if that's because that's got a huge population, but it's definitely more there. but i got i was going to fly out to america to see what treatment they can provide me out there, but their treatment is no different to here. right? it's very much the same, but their research is much bigger in america than it is here. >> right. >> right. >> and essentially the treatment is you've got your botox correct.

>> and i'm on i'm on parkinson's medication for my tremor and pain relief. but it's just mainly trying to maintain at the moment . you can have deep brain moment. you can have deep brain stimulation for some dystonias, but that's where you fit in the category of your dystonia. unfortunately, with my condition, with fixed function dystonia, you can't. but i'm a firm believer there's going to come time and it's made. like i say, it's made me, me. i wouldn't have it any other way. i wouldn't have it any other way. >> you're so upbeat and positive. >> i have days where i'm dug up and defrosted. i don't always look like this right, right. >> but. but when you have the dark cloud, it's awful. >> yeah, it's soul destroying. where? the point where i would love to just go to a field or go somewhere and just scream because i just want, i want someone to live my life and go see how i have to do every day with the pain, with the stigma, with the pain, with the stigma, with sometimes not being able to get into the toilet where parking can be horrendous and or even just day to day things that are such a struggle. and my mum's obviously like my carer, she's like my rock and obviously my friends are amazing and i have got people around me. but

when you want to be so independent and you've got, you know, so much struggles with pain, mental health, it's so hard to be so independent at times, so hard. >> and do you have a website ? >> and do you have a website? >> and do you have a website? >> i'm obviously all over social media, so like obviously my instagram, tiktok and everything. it's all like it's l amid. so i'm all over there. >> what's what's what. if i was to try and follow you you're so it's ella mid it's ella am i because there might be some people watching. absolutely who want to get in touch with you. >> absolutely . i always say to >> absolutely. i always say to everyone please dm me if you've got any questions, if you've got any queries and please, please, please message me because i'd love to be able to help. >> i love helping people and if there are people who maybe it's not even dystonia, but they're in a wheelchair, they've got perhaps some form of absolutely, you would be happy to talk to them 100%. >> i feel like every disability has ability and everyone has a purpose in life, regardless if that's, you know, visible or non visible. everyone deserves that chance to be happy to have, you know, be kind and you know, for someone to be there at the other end of like an inbox. absolutely. because you never

know what people are going through on the inside. >> well ella can i say you're a really inspiring. >> thank you so much. >> thank you so much. >> ellen middleton. isn't she fabulous? >> 26 yes, i am and you live with this for 15 years. >> 15 years. i had my accent when i was 11 and if you asked me five years ago, would you change? five years ago i'd have said no, but now i would've said yes. but now never in a million years. it's made me . it's made years. it's made me. it's made me, me. i wouldn't have it any other way. >> and just to remind people, if they want to get in touch with you how they find you, please get in touch. >> if you want to get in touch with me. my social media is it's ella mid and that's on all platforms facebook, instagram, tiktok , you name it, i'm there. tiktok, you name it, i'm there. >> she's a tiktok sensation . >> she's a tiktok sensation. she's got 1.8 million followers on tiktok. i've got 12,000. that just shows what a star and a phenomenon she is. ella, thank you so much. >> thank you so much . >> thank you so much. >> thank you so much. >> polly middleton with me in the studio next it's time for the studio next it's time for the great british debate and i'm asking, should huw edwards the broadcaster give the bbc, give the public? you could say their money back

you're with andrew pierce standing in for nana akua on gb news on tv and on digital radio. well, time for our great british debate. this hour i'm asking, should huw edwards give the bbc the licence payer? that's you and me their money back this week, the former broadcaster admitted to three charges of making indecent photographs of children. he was arrested in november. he went on to earn an estimated £200,000 for resigning on medical grounds in april. the culture secretary, lisa nandy, is urging edwards to return his salary . so should he. is urging edwards to return his salary. so should he. i'm joined by the labour commentator stella chand chudasama and of course , chand chudasama and of course, michael cole, who is a former bbc luminary in his day. let's talk to michael cole first. michael, you will have known huw edwards and the way i knew him, vaguely, you would have known

him. he was a distinguished broadcaster. appalling to see the way his career is ended in disgrace. but the people i feel sorry for here are not him, but his own family and his victims. but when he was arrested in november, he absolutely knew , november, he absolutely knew, didn't he, that he was guilty as charged. and yet he carried on taking his salary until april. should he have to give it back? >> andrew? of course. that's the point. and you've made it very well, if huw edwards has any shred of decency and i admit it's an open question, he should pay it's an open question, he should pay back every single penny of money he has not earned. >> and as you've intimated , it's >> and as you've intimated, it's not his money. >> it's not the bbc's money. it's not tim davie, the director general's money. it's money paid by people forced on us, the poll tax disguised as a licence fee. we have to pay it. although fewer people are, and they're mainly older people who are law abiding. >> they pay, the most despised

demographic as far as the bbc is concerned. >> but older people pay it and they are the people sickened, as we all have been, by his admission, he obviously knew he was guilty and he pleaded guilty, which was probably only the good thing he's done so far. >> but he's advertised himself as a chapel going christian, a father of five children, he's made quite a lot of that. >> well, if he has any conscience at all, he should return money he has not earned. >> it would be the very , very >> it would be the very, very least he could do to make up for these egregious crimes which have brought disgrace upon the bbc and are resented mightily by the ordinary foot soldiers of which i was one and proud to be. who do the real work at the at the bbc. they're not like huw edwards, as michael buerk famously said, all you need to do to read the news is to be able to read out loud and with

some conviction. so if he doesn't do it, i think we'll think the worse of him, although that's quite a feat to do because we think he's pretty bad already . already. >> we can bring into the conversation david keith, who's a former bbc journalist and the former labour mp khalid mahmood, david, let's speak to you first. another former bbc voice is michael cole, right? that money has to be returned and pronto . has to be returned and pronto. >> i absolutely agree with almost every word that michael said , i would add to that said, i would add to that position that, this is an area where the bbc has got repeat form in the sense that whenever it carries out an inquiry, it's its own judge. and jury. and i don't think it well , it takes don't think it well, it takes into account more its own reputation rather than the, the, the bbc's reputation and sorry, rather than the, the victims , rather than the, the victims, etc. and what the bbc should be

urgently doing is putting on record what they decided and when being transparent about it and i also think it's a time where it should be thought that we have independent, adjudication within the bbc to make sure that they are genuinely being open and honest at the moment. as i say, they're just they're they're entirely to themselves. they're judge and jury. >> stella, what's your view? >> stella, what's your view? >> a lot of people will say, what's the point of huw edwards returning the money now? because usually when in a situation like this, when people return the money is because this will help them clear out their image, and there is absolutely no going back for huw edwards, his image is completely untouched. it's completely tarnished. the reason why i think it's the right thing for him to do right now is if he cares for the bbc even a tiny bit, then to allow the public to trust again that this money is being put to good to good use, he should return all of the money. if there is one last

thing, if this is the last thing that he does. >> khalife mahmoud, we've got a lot of people agreeing here as a as a former mp , if edwards is as a former mp, if edwards is gives that money back, does that rule then not have to be applied to everybody in the public sector who's guilty of a serious crime and carries on being paid, perhaps while they're awaiting being charged? i'm thinking perhaps a doctor or a teacher does the same or have to apply to everybody . to everybody. >> well, look, first of all, the police gave information to the bbc management to say that this is the case against him. >> this is what we're investigating. and i think one of the issues that has to be deau of the issues that has to be dealt with under these inquiries, while the hell if the person is found to be guilty at the end of that, then the bbc management should put a clause in the money they were giving him that he would have to return that money. and i think there's too much lackadaisical attitude at the bbc that it's not their money, but it's our taxpayers money. it's our money that they spend without looking at the

implications of what costs there are for all of us, and particularly as it's been highlighted, particularly, you know, as elderly people who pay for the licence fee, their money that's going through this. so i think there has to be better management, at the bbc and certainly, if hugh has any conscience around this, then he should, pay that back. but i think why we don't do it in law when we know there's a serious issue, when the bbc knows there's a serious issue to deal with, that they should have done this from the start. so it would have saved all this, issue. and they would recover the money because they put it into the clause. if it's guilty, hand the money back. >> michael cole, what i found staggering in all of this, not just that he's got this money, but the bbc in their wisdom, decided it was appropriate to give this man after he'd been arrested on very, very serious charges. a £40,000 pay rise. >> it's incredible, isn't it? >> it's incredible, isn't it? >> and of course, even now the bbc is refusing to even countenance releasing the

substance of the inquiry, which it says it has carried out. and we all know now that the head of news knew about this. maybe the people actually in the newsroom were not told. the gravity or the fact that he had been arrested and that he had been charged before he was allowed to resign. remember that andrew, he was not sacked. he was permitted to resign, which i think was another major mistake. people who do a good job at the bbc, on the staff, on fairly modest salaries. they are disgusted by this and they are hopping mad because they see one law for the so—called stars, not very starry at the moment. so—called stars, not very starry at the moment . that so—called stars, not very starry at the moment. that man, and themselves, the people who put in the hard yards, who are there on sundays, they're on christmas day. so it's revolting, the whole thing. the bbc has almost,

inbred inability ever admit when it's wrong. well, it's badly wrong on this end , this occasion. >> and it would do itself an awful lot of good reputation wise if it came clean for once and actually went the hangout route, as they say in america, and went from soup to nuts with this whole thing and laid out what they knew when they knew why they didn't act okay, >> david keighley, what of that £40,000 pay rise? were they did they take leave of their senses when they gave him that pay rise ? when they gave him that pay rise? >> i think they did. yes. i mean, tim davie i think claimed that it was an automatic pay rise. but management has got discretion in these areas. and the suspicion is that the bbc again always acts to protect its own rather than making sure its standards in terms of integrity are high enough. and, as i say, i think it just defies belief that that £40,000 raise was

given . the other area that i've given. the other area that i've been digging into a little bit, and i'm not a lawyer, but is the issue of his pension, which hasn't been mentioned yet, but he's going to he's in line for a bbc pension of 300,000 a year. now. there are precedents in the pubuc now. there are precedents in the public domain where pensions can be reduced. it's quite difficult, i gather , but i think difficult, i gather, but i think that should be being looked at also by the bbc. >> stella, just briefly, if they do, if edwards is required to give back that money, does that rule have to be applied to all people in the public sector who fall foul of the law in the same way? >> it's not the same. it's not the same being a paedophile with other other types of criminal of criminal acts. it is not the same. and this is why this is a situation where there is no precedent. this is why this was so incredibly different. >> and does he have to be treated differently because he's huw edwards? >> no . absolutely not. it is >> no. absolutely not. it is very important that he's not treated differently because he's okay. >> so it's a simple yes or no.

should he give back the £200,000? yes stella says yes. david keighley. £200,000? yes stella says yes. david keighley . yes, khalid david keighley. yes, khalid mahmood. yes. and michael cole, of course. >> and from me, it's a definite thank you very much. >> all of you. it's very rare that we have unanimity on such a subject. remember to let me know your thoughts on all of these stories we've been discussing today by visiting gbnews.com/yoursay. and join the conversation. and you're not going to want to miss this. tonight. we are going to speak to the son of one, donald trump. yes, eric trump is talking to gb news just weeks after his father endured that assassination attempt. that's this evening from 9 pm. don't miss it. i'm andrew pierce in for nana akua. let's get the headlines now with tatiana sanchez . tatiana sanchez. >> andrew, thank you and good afternoon. the top stories protests are currently taking place in several parts of the

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good luck ! good luck! >> well, a lot of you been getting in touch today about the great british debate. neil says huw edwards should do the right thing and return the money. and jean says i'm really enjoying andrew today. well, jean, you may not know, but i do . great. may not know, but i do. great. what's it called? britain's newsroom monday to thursday, 9:30 am. to noon every week. so if you haven't tuned in, do. next we're going to be speaking to our gb voices asking them should the disgraced and let's say sometimes i think that word is a bit cliched and overused. but he is disgraced, isn't he? the broadcaster huw edwards give his £200,000 salary back to the bbc. and what about that gold plated £300,000 a year, 300,000 a year pension? us us what you think

we' re we're getting back to the great british debate this hour. it's a straightforward question. should huw edwards give the public

their money back £200,000? back in the studio with me are the broadcaster lizzie cundy and the former labour adviser matthew laza. we had a discussion there with four people. they all said, yes, i know what you're going to say. yeah, totally. >> yes. and it's appalling. i can't even talk about his crimes. it makes me feel sick to the stomach. and this man has been on our television screens for i think it's about 40 years or something. and he , he, i or something. and he, he, i remember just sitting there when our beloved queen died, the voice of the nation, someone that we felt we all knew was, was in our front rooms. we trusted. i absolutely my mum. i remember not believing any of it when it first came out. she was like, not hugh, you know, everyone felt they knew him and we all feel so let down. i'm so disgusted with what he's done and he's the third highest paid person at the bbc on 480,000. and then yet again, the bbc give him another. is it 200,000? well, he's being investigated.

>> if the bbc were here they would say he'd been arrested but not charged. a man is innocent until proven guilty. >> so i think morally he's got an obligation to give the money back.i an obligation to give the money back. i think legally the bbc is going to struggle to get a penny out of him, because, as you say, until he obviously had resigned before he was found guilty . so, before he was found guilty. so, you know, it is that presumption of innocence is important. but the point here, he knew he was guilty. he was guilty. guilty. >> when he was arrested in november. he knew that he had these disgusting images were on his whatsapp of children as young as seven. for god's sake. he knew he was guilty. he should have resigned then because he was off work. absolutely. because of his mental health. >> well, he's got he's got he has an absolute moral obligation to do that. and of course, what's really unfair is the people who were gave him the benefit of the doubt when the initial issue arose, which is unpleasant, but we don't think illegal, but then, of course, even the second issue arose about the images, then he should have, you know, and he knew he was going to plead guilty. he should have resigned immediately. he wants to hang on, and he wants to keep his health care. >> and it's also, we're being

told, lizzie, you can tell it's the bbc, a £300,000 a year pension a year. >> unbelievable. and he's going to get 4 million in the pension pot. apparently it's not their money. it's our money with the taxpayer. i absolutely know so many people are just saying forget the bbc now. >> they won't pay the bbc licence. >> exactly. >> exactly. >> isn't that the it's that's the risk people are. >> it's actually a funded pension. so it's not like some of the public sector pensions which are paid out of current revenue, £200,000 doesn't go out. >> people say, why am i paying my £169? >> absolutely. and it's very, you know, i'm in the bbc pension scheme corporation that gives £200,000 to a paedophile and it will also gave him the pay rise is just unbelievable. >> but haven't they learned any lessons. >> look what happened to the bbc. >> but matthew, whatever you i know you love the bbc but you can't defend them and that's why it needs. look at the cover up with with jimmy savile. we've had rolf harris now huw edwards, they you know, they knew that it was category a was being investigated. okay. >> tom davies got it. >> tom davies got it. >> tim davies let me just tell you with the bbc stars and executives, do you know what all

the salary comes to 40 million over ridiculous . over ridiculous. >> let's welcome some of our great british voices into this debate . we're going to start debate. we're going to start with mark sheridan from chester. mark, it's a very straightforward question. does he give the money back, >> yes, 100%. and as you've already mentioned in the studio, the scandal over jimmy savile. and then when obviously early days when phillip schofield was working for the bbc with gordon the gofer, all these people are been on our televisions for many, many years and we find out now that the, you know, the paedophiles and quite rightly in the studio, you've mentioned, we are forced to watch the bbc through our our licensing fees. so this 300,000 also for the pension bbc credible should say you haven't honoured the contract. you give at least 150,000 to a children's home or for abuse. >> okay, let's go to david baum in watford. david. >> morally, yes, but legally it

would depend on his contract. >> if the contract says you're dismissed for inappropriate behaviour , then they've got behaviour, then they've got a chance to recover that money. >> but other than that, it's all we can all hope that it would happen. we can all hope that it would happen . but i want to know. happen. but i want to know. going back to jimmy savile, why didn't they start looking at contracts at that point and saying if anything untoward comes up, any money you receive will be recovered, but the bbc won't even publish the findings of their own, internal investigation . investigation. >> okay, i'm going to move on quickly. okay. brian duggan is in edinburgh. >> hi, andrew. >> hi, andrew. >> yeah, i think there's no question. there is a very clear moral obligation to return the money, but sadly, from the legal standpoint, i think it will be very difficult for the bbc to get that money back. >> but that's where they've made their great mistake that you've pointed out. >> why did they add £40,000 to his salary? >> and the bigger thing now is the pension . not a penny of that the pension. not a penny of that should be paid to him. >> all right. and alex metcalfe finally in catterick . finally in catterick. >> oh absolutely.

>> oh absolutely. >> he should pay it all back. >> he should pay it all back. >> i can't understand why he got £40,000 pay rise whilst under investigation, and if you're worried about his mental health, i wouldn't worry about that because he's going to get £300,000 in a pension. it's time to scrap the licence fee. it's a tax about representation. and the british people should not pay the british people should not pay for a wasteful, biased bbc. >> all right. well point well made alex mccarthy absolute unanimity yet again on huw edwards. he really does have to pay edwards. he really does have to pay that money back in my view. now coming up my quick fire quiz, i'm going test the panel on of the stories that caught

next. well, the lack of lavatories on london's billion pound elizabeth line is causing lots of problems. according to the regulator of the office of rail and road. it says the elizabeth line was not well equipped when commuters were stranded outside paddington for several hours

last christmas. there are no loos on the train. nine carriages. it goes from shenfield all the way to read and you could be on the train on time. should there be loos on that train? >> yeah, it was crazy. they didn't do it and apparently it was because they were worried that it would lose 600 passengers an hour. they would reduce capacity by, but i think those passengers who are using it would very much welcome. it's not like a tube train, although it does go through a tube, tube style tunnels in the central bit. it's a long journey from end to end, and that terrible scene. >> i'm sorry, doesn't it? >> i'm sorry, doesn't it? >> that's shocking . and a lady >> that's shocking. and a lady of a certain age when you when you have to go, you have to go, and that's awful. >> actually, the lack of toilets there are none. >> there are none. none. no loos. >> so if you want to go, you have to get off and you have to and you can't. and there were none. obviously, there are no toilets stations in the ordinary. >> my late mum would say tion on it. >> well sometimes it's the tv presenters have to do that because you know. yeah, yeah. >> i have to say i think that's pretty shocking. >> i mean and we pay enough on our trains and you can't even have a toilet. >> you can't spend a penny. i have to spend a lot of pennies

to buy your ticket. it's not good enough, is it? >> no. and kristian niemietz is our newest line. >> it cost billions. billions. >> it cost billions. billions. >> london didn't think of that, majesty. the queen. >> oh, well, i think that's disturbing, actually, because, you know, if you really do need to go with the. if you've got a bit of a tummy trouble or whatever reason, it's actually as we've got an ageing society as we've got an ageing society as well, which is one of the things we don't think about sensible things that make life easier as we get older. >> now we're going to go to our quiz. it's going to be an olympic special, which means i'll have no answers at all, i've lost. so here we go. we've got lizzie cundy still with us. and of course, matthew laza here. we're going to hear. so the first question. let's hear your buzzers first. >> right. oh, andy murray played his last professional tennis match at the paris olympics. >> but who was his doubles partner ? partner? >> jamie murray, his brother? >> jamie murray, his brother? >> no. >> no. >> cameron? >> cameron? >> no. both wrong . it was dan evans. >> oh, of course. right. of course. >> and his last one. what's he going to do next? >> so next question. closest

answer. team gb have had their strongest ever start to an olympics, achieving ten goals in eight days. but how many bronze medals have won? we 12. 12, 14. spot on andy. whoa. open question team gb's harry charles was part of the gold medal winning equestrian team yesterday. his dad peter charles, has also stood on the top of the podium in the same olympic events. but what year ? olympic events. but what year? >> 1980 go on 1984, 2012. >> 1980 go on 1984, 2012. >> oh, now lizzie cundy is still in the lead. true or false? is team gb's duncan scott the most successful scottish olympian after winning silver in the 200m swimming medals. lizzie first true, i'm going to say false, but i think it's true. it's true, he a cycling legend. sir chris hoy, after winning his eighth medal. hoy does have more golds though, so lizzie is now two nil up. team gb currently sit in fifth on the medal table. last time out in tokyo, where

did they finish? second, seventh or fourth? >> seventh? >> seventh? seventh. >> seventh? seventh. fourth. fourth. >> i knew the answer. they were behind china, the usa and japan. on today's show, we've been asking how the olympic boxing exposed unfairness of women's sport. according to our twitter poll, 95% of you say yes and just 4.3% of you say no. and on whether huw edwards should give the bbc their money back a whopping 91.5% say yes in just 8.5% say no. so thank you to my panel 8.5% say no. so thank you to my panel, lizzie. thank you. you won. great. >> thank you, thank you. it's about time. yes, i'm very, very happy. well, no, i do regularly because she's never lived down. >> during the world cup. >> during the world cup. >> i lost football, literally married into football . that's married into football. that's why i can't live it down. >> and what do you know about football? >> nothing. nothing. >> nothing. nothing. >> what do i know about football ? >> what do i know about football? >> what do i know about football? >> absolutely. >> absolutely. >> i think we know about the same.

>> yeah, yeah, yeah . >> yeah, yeah, yeah. >> yeah, yeah, yeah. >> are you enjoying the olympics? >> i'm actually loving it. i'm really am enjoying it. the swimming was amazing. but you're not allowed to ogle at the bodies apparently, anymore . bodies apparently, anymore. >> well, i have people. >> well, i have people. >> do i love tom daley's suggestive, tweets in instagram posts, my favourite bit of the olympics. right. >> okay, well, that's it . thank >> okay, well, that's it. thank you so much to my panel, the broadcaster and columnist lillie lizzie cundy and the former labour adviser matthew laza. i'll of course, be back next week on britain's newsroom, which is where i'll be with you on monday morning till midday. matthew's with us most mondays and i'll be watching. >> i'm going to little, little time away next week. >> but i'll be watching you and i want to thank you most of all at home for your company. >> nana akua will be back with you next weekend, but now i'm going to leave you with the weather forecast. there is talk. there could be some rain coming. what's happened to the heatwave ? what's happened to the heatwave? maybe it's no longer. at least it means won't have to water my plants. see you . soon. plants. see you. soon. >> looks like things are heating up. >> boxt boilers sponsors of

weather on . gb. news weather on. gb. news >> hello there. welcome to your latest gb news. weather from the met office. it turns increasingly unsettled over the next 24 hours or so, particularly across the north—west of the uk. and that's down to an area of low pressure. just sat to the north—west, bringing outbreaks of rain, stronger winds, the rain turning increasingly heavy by monday across western scotland. the met office warning out there could be some local disruption. a fairly quiet end to a saturday and into the early hours of sunday, though cloud does thicken across parts of northern ireland. western scotland later, with some patchy outbreaks of rain here. but for most it will be dry. temperatures are largely staying in double figures, but a bit more comfortable for sleeping compared to recent nights, so sunday morning cloudy picture across western scotland. first thing outbreaks of rain here but brighter towards the north—east. the northern isles as well seeing plenty of morning sunshine. the cloud extends

across parts of northern ireland. western parts of northern england too , with northern england too, with outbreaks of rain there largely light in nature, drier further south and east across the rest of england and wales. just perhaps 1 or 2 light showers, some hazy sunshine in places too. and as we head through the day on sunday, we'll see further areas of cloud and rain pushing north eastwards across parts of northern ireland, scotland, perhaps northern england . too perhaps northern england. too much of the rest of england and wales largely staying dry. but there will be quite a lot of cloud around , perhaps 1 or cloud around, perhaps 1 or 2 showers. best of the sunshine across southern and southeastern areas, temperatures here reaching around 23 or 24 cooler. further north and west. you go 16 or 17 with breezy conditions across western scotland on monday, we can see heavy rain across northern ireland, scotland, some local disruption possible due to that heavy rain through the day, with the met office warning out until around 9 pm. drier further south and east. temperatures are reaching around 26 or 27, so feeling a

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