tonight on the show doctor tonight on the show doctor tonight on the show doctor renee keir starmer has squandered an opportunity to stop the riots and clear the labour party has been less than truthful about its taxes. >> benjamin, and why i'm thrilled boomers won't be collecting their winter fuel hand—outs, and i will be talking about whether or not two tier policing is to blame for all of

the disorder. >> it's 6 pm. and this is saturday five. back. welcome back to saturday five. i am in the hot seat tonight because darren grimes is away sunning himself, and you may have noficed himself, and you may have noticed the empty chair up there, which will be explained in due course, he, darren is always calling the government , always calling the government, calling for the government to keep undesirables out of the country . so this could be the country. so this could be the last that we see of him. you may notice, as i say, that we are for the saturday this evening, because ben leo will be joining us asap. he is currently hotfooting it back from aberdeen where he's been doing a very exciting interview with no less than eric trump. and we will have some great clips of that interview later in the show . interview later in the show. thank goodness there is one man that we can count on to be mr reliable. benjamin butterworth is returning to his rightful role as the darling of gb news

viewers. >> they keep asking me to leave, but i still turn up. >> also with me is the wonderful gp and author renee hoenderkamp and making her debut on the show, the brilliant political commentator claire pearsall now you all know the drill. each host outlines their argument about their chosen topic and then we all pile in and the fur starts to fly. and of course we want to know your views as well. so do send in your views and post your comments by visiting gbnews.com/yoursay and don't forget to get your questions in forget to get your questions in for ask the five. no topics are off limits, but before we start tearing each other apart, it's your news with tatiana sanchez . your news with tatiana sanchez. >> emma, thank you very much and good evening. the top stories protests have been taking place in several parts of the country today. ministers met this afternoon to discuss the potential for further widespread disorder. and in that meeting with senior mps, the prime

minister said the right to freedom of expression and the violent disorder we've seen are two very different things. he also said there's no excuse for violence of any kind. the deputy prime minister said they're working with local authorities to ensure members of the community, who've been targeted by thuggish extremists have the support they need . merseyside support they need. merseyside police have said a number of officers have been injured dunng officers have been injured during serious disorder in liverpool city centre. in hull, around 100 people gathered outside a migrant hotel being guarded by police, where a window was also smashed. at least three people were led away in handcuffs as demonstrators faced counter—protesters in nottingham. meanwhile, police in riot gear were deployed in belfast amid tense exchanges between protesters and an anti—racism rally, with a small number of fireworks also being thrown . northumberland police thrown. northumberland police have accused protesters of unforgivable violence and disorder following rioting in sunderland city centre last night. videos posted on social media showed a former police

office ablaze while a mosque was also targeted. vehicles were overturned and set on fire as rioters clashed with officers throwing rocks and bottles. five police officers were injured with four hospitalised and ten people arrested for offences including violent disorder and burglary . home secretary yvette burglary. home secretary yvette cooper says police have the government's full backing to take the action. they need against violent protesters. >> well , against violent protesters. >> well, criminal violence and disorder has no place on britain's streets. we've been clear to the police that they have our full backing in taking the strongest possible action against perpetrators, including were making sure that there are more prosecutors , there are more prosecutors, there are sufficient prison places and also that the courts stand ready because anyone who engages in this kind of disorder needs to be clear that they will pay the price. >> the uk's most senior police and crime commissioner is urging

the government to explain how it will solve mass, uncontrolled immigration following rioting and civil unrest . donna jones is and civil unrest. donna jones is calling for sir keir starmer to address protesters concerns, as the country faces more than 30 demonstrations this weekend alone. she said the announcement of the prime minister's new violent crime units has led to an accusation of two tier policing and inflamed protesters . policing and inflamed protesters. the 17 year old, accused of murdering three girls in southport, once starred as doctor who in a bbc children in need advert. then 11 year old axel rudakubana can be seen leaving the tardis in 2018 and telling viewers how to best raise money. it's understood the teenager was found for the video through a casting agency. a spokesman for bbc children in need said they had removed the video out of respect for those impacted by the shocking case. in other news, two men have appeared in court charged in connection with an alleged arson attack on ukrainian linked

businesses in london. 22 year old jakeem barrington rose, of croydon, a 19 year old igneous yasmin of wandsworth, have both been charged with aggravated arson following a counter—terrorism investigation. rose was also charged with possession of an offensive weapon. the metropolitan police believe the offences were carried out on behalf of russia's wagner group . donald russia's wagner group. donald trump has agreed to debate vice president kamala harris. he accepted an offer from fox news for a televised face off on the 4th of september. it's not yet known if the presumptive democratic nominee will agree to take part, although she has previously indicated she is ready. trump says the debate will feature a full arena audience, with kamala . harris audience, with kamala. harris has responded today in a statement accusing the former president of running scared and suggesting he should stick to the debate. he, quote, already committed to on the 10th of september, he agreed to do two debates with president biden, but unfortunately , president

but unfortunately, president biden didn't have the ability to go the length. >> the full length of the distance. and he donald trump feels a little bit cheated that he has spent all of this money and campaigning against somebody who is obviously a zombie candidate. in addition to that, he's got a current litigation with george stephanopoulos and abc. and so he no longer feels that since the terms have changed, that he should have to do the debate there. and it looks like as of this morning, per his own messages on truth social, that there will be a debate, it will be in pennsylvania, and it will be two days before early voting starts. >> and great britain's jake jarman took bronze in the men's floor final to win the nation's first artistic gymnastics medal of the paris olympic games. he was just 0.033 points behind the silver medallist and defending champion. 22 year old jarvis went into the final with the highest score in qualifying , and highest score in qualifying, and also topped the floor standings dunng also topped the floor standings during the men's all around final , and during the men's all around final, and those are the latest gb news headlines. for now, i'm tatiana sanchez. more in an hour for the very latest gb news

direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code, or go to gbnews.com forward slash alerts . forward slash alerts. >> it's saturday night and you're with the saturday vie. i'm emma webb and i can promise that you are in for a very lively show. so let's crack on with the first debate of tonight. and as this may be my only chance to call the shots on this show, so i am going to lead us off now , week after week us off now, week after week after week, masses of people marched through the streets, streets chanting anti—semitic slogans. people begged the police to do something, even when a giant banner was held up branded with the name of a known islamist group. even then, when people chanted for jihad, we were told, nah, it's just meant in a spiritual sense. the same with black lives matter. the

message was clear destroy what you want. if you've got large enough numbers, the police won't lift a finger. and then we end up with leads where we saw the police fleeing the scene, leaving locals with chaos, disorder and a bus in flames. again, the message was clear if you want something and you want to be heard, you go on a rampage. but as we have seen this week, the police do still know how to police . they can use know how to police. they can use their powers when they want to . their powers when they want to. so people legitimately ask why did they cower in the corner at the other disorderly protests? why the strong words all of a sudden from that pompous westminster princeling two tier care. so guys, benjamin, we never agree with each other. do you think the two tier policing is part of the problem here, >> well, look, when the black lives matter riots happened alongside the legitimate protests, both suella braverman as home secretary and yvette cooper as the opposition said that the rioters element of that was unacceptable. i don't think there was a two tier, but where

i think the hypocrisy comes in is that last week you had all these people, these right wingers lining up to say, just stop oil and they're peaceful protests, though i do think it was illegal, but it was peaceful. should get their five years in prison for what they'd done, what they've done. we should condemn them. they are appalling. they are a threat to the democracy. they are mob rule and days later, as angry white men start throwing bricks at a mosque and start attacking police officers, they say, but it's a legitimate concern. i think the two tier is in the hypocrisy of those right wingers who have one rule forjust hypocrisy of those right wingers who have one rule for just stop oil and another for angry racists, but i would think i would say that the difference there, surely, renee, is the fact that that the people on the right have been saying while there might be legitimate reasons to be angry about this, it's . it's. >> everybody has been very clear in caveating that by saying, but it's not legitimate to then go and criminal damage burning down police stations. it's possible to say that someone's grievance is legitimate because of course,

it's naturally you'll get angry if children are being butchered in cold blood. but people are not actually justifying the action. i think that's the difference from just stop oil. >> i think that is the difference. and also two things can be true at the same time. you know, people can see that there's a problem and people are unhappy but not agree with burning police cars because that's going to make the problem worse. we need more police, more police cars. but in terms of your just stop oil, police cars. but in terms of yourjust stop oil, comparison, your just stop oil, comparison, that's like saying that because just stop oil got five years, someone else should get ten years. maybe the just stop oil was right and everybody else needs even harsher sentences. i don't think you can use an old, but whataboutery just stop oil to compare. i don't think it's an equal comparison because a these people have not gone to court yet, so don't have a sentence. they might get 50 years. i doubt it, but they might just stop oil went to court. they were found guilty. they were punished. nothing to do with this, benjamin. nothing. >> but the reaction is extraordinarily telling in that when these men, many of whom i do not believe, have great

informed concerns about immigration, i think they are just angry , drunk men that like just angry, drunk men that like fighting. these are the kind of people they get off their faces at a football match and go home and beat their wives. these are bad people and their politics don't matter. >> so, benjamin, you're a journalist, so normally you would say probably you would have a reason for believing certain things . if it were an certain things. if it were an islamist protest, for example, would you run through the same assumptions? >> well, i've been outspoken the whole time about how jewish people in this country have been made to be fearful about going into central london, about going about their normal lives. if people had been , you would people had been, you would agree, though, that those protests weren't properly policed and should have been properly policed. yeah. i think you saw the example of, gideon something or other. the jewish leader who tried to cross the road in central london after with his kippah on, i think after being at synagogue and was blocked because it was seen as a political statement that could be provocative. that was wrong. but can i just point out that there has been far more acceptance of people throwing

bncks acceptance of people throwing bricks and damaging a mosque than if that had happened at a synagogue? why is it that some people sympathise with that and say, oh, but they must have legitimate concerns. that's really dangerous. >> get a word in because that's not true, is it because it's been roundly condemned? there's been roundly condemned? there's been talk of, you know, a press prime minister at a press conference about cracking down on it. >> i don't think the prime minister's got about it in the right way, because all he's done is inflame tension within other religions by saying, well, hold up a second. what about this? the situation with synagogues? why should muslims and mosques be singled out? i think the problem comes when you have people turning up for a protest in a town that they have no connection with, simply looking for a fight and we have seen that they don't entirely know what they're doing, and it's little wonder that the police are going to crack down on it when they have seen the behaviour of marches, either earlier in the day or the day before, with similar groups of people. so i can understand from the police's point of view they're going to come down hard on it. i think just stop oil as much as i dislike the organisation, i'm very, very pleased. they had long prison

sentences. it is not comparable to this. it really isn't. i don't think you can conflate those two. >> but also we've seen other things this week. we've seen people that work here martin daubney people in handcuffs for doing his job, whereas yeah, he was put in handcuffs at one of the protests this week for being there to report on it. but at there to report on it. but at the same time, when he was at a palestine march, pointing out to them where they were projecting onto the houses of parliament, they wouldn't take any notice of him or arrest those people. >> but 73 year old woman doesn't. benjamin's argument actually prove the point that actually, because those protests weren't policed properly, that's the reason why people think, well, i can go out and i can riot and there won't be consequences now. maybe there will be consequences. but the point is that those previous protests, i mean, just stop oil is actually a good example, extinction rebellion, and they did all sorts of criminal damage and got away with that. >> but i think also that we don't know the entirety of the policing operation, and neither should we. we see pieces on social media or if people have managed to be down at a part of a of a protest, but we don't see all of it. we don't know how

many people have been arrested at each event for whatever reason. so i think that we have to well, no, i do think you have to well, no, i do think you have to be a little bit careful by saying that you can't have one protest and you can have another one, because we don't know the policing and the intelligence. >> i have to interrupt because we have some breaking news. ben leo is here with us in the studio. here he comes , having studio. here he comes, having hotfooted it all the way from, from aberdeen. >> a man waiting for. i think he was. he's doing impersonation of david ives. >> it seems he's picked up darren grimes's accent whilst in scotland. >> who's going to get me a cup of tea then all the morning. >> did you pick up that accent when you were on your way through durham? >> oh my. back on the train. geordie accent. isn't it scottish? what? what are they, eric trump, donald trump's son, the vice president of trump international. i'm sinking in my seat. yeah. amazing. unfortunately, i've had a bit of a hectic week. when it comes to planes. apparently, planes in this country now are akin to southern rail trains, where they're just cancelled willy

nilly . so up at 4 am. went to nilly. so up at 4 am. went to to fly aberdeen to go and meet eric trump. flight was cancelled. so we had to fly to inverness, get a two hour taxi to inverness. it must be knackered. i'm very tired. it's been a gruelling couple of weeks on the floor of the airport. not again. no not again. >> they gave you a food voucher or something didn't they. >> oh well yeah, that was in the week when i came back from dundee. they gave us a £6 food voucher for shops that weren't even open. but yeah eric trump really great guy, lots of energy, reckons his dad of course is going to win and he was gracious enough to speak to us despite being quite late. so yeah, very hospitable guy. and also the course up there. trump international at aberdeen. beautiful course making another court. they're building another course just to the side of it. and an interesting comment eric trump said i wish the uk and the government would give us some more thanks for the trump family and their investment in britain. >> yeah, we'll get a load more on that later for you, ben. so now it's rene's turn. >> okay, so i think this week keir starmer squandered an

opportunity to actually bring people together in this country and maybe avoid some of the trouble that we've seen over the last few days. and possibly we'll see this weekend. instead, he chose to deliver his speech in downing street from a lectern looking very prime ministerial. and instead of bringing himself together, he gave what i consider to be the most divisive speech that a politician, let alone a pm, has ever given in this country. we are in trouble. there is no doubt, and in times of trouble, all members of society should be able to look to their leaders, to offer support, to offer guidance and to bring people together with a rallying cry of we can do this together. but in a few short sentences, keir managed to alienate a whole section of society in labelling the troubles as far right, keir decided that the working man was to be isolated and separated from society, and deplored because that working man is the oil of society. the plumbers,

the electricians, the shop workers , me as a doctor, because workers, me as a doctor, because we are concerned about the effect of mass immigration on our culture from countries who have nothing in common with us. over a very short period of time, the mandarins of westminster don't like the working man. in fact , they working man. in fact, they despise them and they look down on them , and they've decided on them, and they've decided that they're not worth listening to as before , anything they say to as before, anything they say has no value. what keir could have done this week is said, look, guys, we know there's trouble. we know you're unhappy. we are listening. we're just got in power. please give us a chance. we'll do a road show. we'll come and talk to you and we'll put this right together. just give us time. because violence is not the way. instead, he said, you're not important. >> what kind of road show do you want? >> antiques roadshow, i don't care, i want the prime minister to talk to us and i think him to listen. >> i have to say, i was pretty angry watching him lay those flowers like it was remembrance

day. so ceremonial. not very humane, actually. he could have engaged with those people who were heckling and said he acted like they were just this, you know , inconvenient rabble. know, inconvenient rabble. i didn't want to sort of engage with them at all. i don't feel furious. >> yeah, but i think that's unfortunately with keir starmer, you've got that kind of almost robotic personality. it doesn't come naturally to him to intervene with a with a crowd. if someone like david cameron or tony blair, boris johnson would have managed to carry that off. but not everybody can. theresa may was a prime example of somebody that was uncomfortable in that situation. so i think that that's his personality. he isn't quite that good at it. but this is what we've got. he needed to go up there. he would have been criticised if he didn't lay flowers. unfortunately, the way he did it looked as if you're right, he was at the cenotaph or somewhere like that. he needed to cut something in. >> but do you think there's no sort of. i mean, benjamin, you probably would disagree with those who've been saying that he's not distinguishing enough between the far right and those

people who have legitimate concerns, fears a legitimately angry about what's happened, and that in some ways that the term, you know, far right is just everybody's other groups wouldn't be tarred with with one brush in the same way. yeah, i actually happen with the islamist protests. people said, oh, but it's only a small number of people. it's not all of them . of people. it's not all of them. they're just sort of concerned about what's happening in palestine. >> i think there's something seriously wrong in the head with a person who heckles the prime minister. remembering three murdered girls , someone who murdered girls, someone who thinks that is the time to make their protest, when at the point we didn't even have the full facts of the case, is the person acting in the wrong and they should not be held up as somebody that you should meet in the middle? those people have an issue. and let me say as well that there are lots of legitimate concerns and questions about integration and immigration and all those things. we just had a general election. they were discussed lots. nigel farage often gets them on the front pages. it's not like the country doesn't ask these questions , but these were these questions, but these were people going out and rioting and

being thugs, saying it was islamist and immigration. when the person accused is a british christian, not a muslim and not an immigrant, that is the person accused. >> i don't think we know his religion, but it's been widely reported that he's a christian. >> but benjamin, the concern more, as far as i'm concerned, isn't just the immigration, asylum seekers and religion. i think it's the breakdown of law and order. i think that's the concern people are feeling. and also people like you celebrate this breakdown of law and order thatis this breakdown of law and order that is the truth of it. >> we have had a week. we have had a week of people from the hard right, racist and anti—immigration people celebrating what is going on on the streets because they think it legitimises their bigotry. >> that's pretty out of order for you to say that you need to retract that. no, i won't celebrate violence on the streets. i condemn all violence. >> we'll condemn the people that have been violent. this week, condemn everyone and call them the far right, condemn everyone and call them the far right , just like keir the far right, just like keir starmer did. >> any skin colour, any religion, violence on our streets solves nothing. i condemn it all. i condemn all of

it. so please retract that. i'm not having that. well, i'm glad you've retracted it. >> i think there's a lot of people. >> are you going to retract it on your part, but not on other people's part, because there has been a delight, a glee among some people at the riots of this week because they think it legitimises their conclusions and their conclusions are not. >> they talk about the working class in such a patronising way, as though they're all sort of tattooed nazis. that's offensive. >> i have to move on to our next break, but i think it's important to just say that if you've made that accusation against ben and it's incorrect, then maybe your accusation, you can go and make me a cup of tea. >> now, ben, for that and also important very, very briefly to mention that one of the people who was there when keir starmer laid those flowers, who was very upset by it, was somebody who who said that they knew one of the nine, the nine year old who was murdered. >> so it is absolutely not right to tar everyone with the same brush. but anyway, just anyway. >> sorry, emma, just as a very quick plug for the trump interview, i asked eric trump about his thoughts on sir keir starmer, david lammy, the comments that he lammy previously made about donald

trump. so all that's coming up, we've got a few clips on in this show the full lot in mark dolan

welcome back to saturday five, as always. thank you for all of your emails and messages about tonight's topics. and dunn says there is a complete breakdown of law and order, and labour have opposed any attempt to crack down on it in opposition. and now they're having to pay a harsh price for their woke policies. but jack says, oh my god , i must have a terrible, god, i must have a terrible, terrible high temperature. i'm agreeing with benji , me or agreeing with benji, me or butterworth , i presume presume butterworth, i presume presume benji. now it's time for our next debate. and up next is our debutant , claire pearsall to debutant, claire pearsall to have her say. now, claire. >> well, i really wish i could be a debutant. i think i could rock that outfit, but unfortunately i think that the

nafion unfortunately i think that the nation has sleepwalked into a time of higher taxes. nation has sleepwalked into a time of higher taxes . what we time of higher taxes. what we saw on the election trail most recently was labour saying the conservative party are awful , conservative party are awful, they have ruined the economy and we're going to do a much better job. but and this is a very big but there is no money left. according to rachel reeves, the chancellor. and how are they going to change that ? well, not going to change that? well, not by raising income tax, not by deaung by raising income tax, not by dealing with the debt situation. i should imagine what they will do is go after things like inheritance tax, capital gains tax , council tax, fuel tax, all tax, council tax, fuel tax, all of the things that they have refused to rule out a rise in. and as we've seen recently, they cannot be taken at their word. they want it to be the saviour of pensioners, but they're taking away the winter fuel allowance. can you imagine the outrage if that was a conservative government who had done that ? the front pages of done that? the front pages of every newspaper would be evil tories. freeze, granny. but no, it seems the labour party at the

moment can do no wrong. could this be that everybody is on holiday? they're not paying attention. but unfortunately, winter will soon come. the bills will pile high and somebody is going to have to pay. >> benjamin, you hate pensioners. what do you think of that ? that? >> well, i think we'll get on to pensioners later. but you know, i think the fact is there is a massive black hole in the finances. and to claim that labour has somehow made this up, as jeremy hunt, seek to imply earlier this week, is just wrong, because i remember listening in, i think the second week of the general election campaign to kevin hollinrake, who was a tory minister, say and acknowledge on lbc that there was a £19 billion black hole, which was the official figures put out some months ago, and he said, oh, they might cut justice and they might cut prisons if the tories had got in now that seemed like quite the mistake to do during the election campaign, to let on. but the idea that this wouldn't apply regardless of party is nonsense. but the question is why is there a £19 billion black hole? it's because

tories like you let that happen. you just kept spending. boris johnson didn't see he never went into a shop. he didn't want to buy. he just spent like there was no tomorrow and we're living with the consequence. >> benjamin so that tory knew there was a black hole. yeah. why didn't the shadow chancellor, but they do, they do. >> and this is the most disingenuous part of all of this is rachel reeves saying we didn't know about it. we had to wait until we saw the books. when she had access to the top officials at the treasury from january, she has been accessing the same set of figures that are in the public. and may i add, as everyone else, three weeks before the election, rachel reeves gave an interview to the financial times, and she said verbatim , we cannot just turn up verbatim, we cannot just turn up on day one at the treasury and say that there's a big mess and a big deficit we didn't know about because i quote, we've got the obr now. >> we don't need an election to know that. >> so isn't that just like, plainly misleading? right. if they've seen it and now they're making out that they haven't. that's misleading the public. >> well now they're playing mind games aren't they. because the whole reason that she's saying this is so that come the autumn

budget, she'll be able to say, oh, look, do you remember i told you that we didn't know about this? and now i have to do this? it's just games and it's aimed at people like us to actually fill their pockets. look, this week she has given £10 billion to public sector pay rises. that has to come from somewhere, and it's going to come from the people in the middle, even in the, the debates, the election debates . debates. >> keir starmer, at one point when he was talking about his comments on jeremy corbyn's manifesto, effectively admitted that he'd say anything in order to get elected. he said something like, well, i said that because i wanted to get elected. so is this not just a case of them saying, oh, well, we won't. we promise we won't put up taxes knowing that probably they will have to. >> but it comes as a surprise to absolutely no one. if their slogan is change. well, they're not really changing from the old politics of the corbyn era, so i don't think they can hold any moral high ground. >> and also, surely they're going to have to spend, spend, spend anyway because they've already agreed to this massive pay already agreed to this massive pay rise for junior doctors. and

the junior doctors want more, and there's going to be a gold rush from all the other public sector workers who also want pay rises. they're going have to spend money on that, too, because the unions have got a gun against their heads. >> it's gps. it's going to be radiologists, it's going to be paramedics. it's going to be every man and his dog working in the public sector saying, oh, look, labour have opened the floodgates. they've got a 20% pay floodgates. they've got a 20% pay rise. where's my pay rise? it's going to be absolute chaos. and do you know who they're going to. they're going to target for that people who pay capital gains tax, primarily people who aspire, who take risks to invest in assets, stocks, commodities, shares. and they're going to come along. and akin to going into a bookmaker's on the corner of a high street and swiping the winnings from a punter betting on horse racing, they'll say, thank you very much . they'll say, thank you very much. i'll have some of that. they didn't deserve it. they didn't deserve a penny of it. >> the two things that trashed investment in our economy were brexit and liz truss's budget, which undermined britain so badly. and look, and the gp strike. i'd be interested to know what renee thinks of it . know what renee thinks of it. doctor renee, i should say, that was opened in june under the last government and was finished

by the time that the percentage, the 20% pay rise came out for junior doctors. i mean, the poll of gp's and whether they wanted to go on on strike was finished. so it's not a consequence of the pay so it's not a consequence of the pay rise for junior doctors . it pay rise for junior doctors. it happened before that came out. look, the pay rise forjunior look, the pay rise for junior doctors costs about £1 billion. the strikes have cost about £1.7 billion. i'm glad that there is a government that's actually sorting stuff out, because i think people at home will think, i just want to see a doctor. i've paid my taxes, i want to get the health care i need to get the health care i need to get back to work to get on with my life. >> i'm going to. are they because the gp's are going to try and now whether or not they voted for that, firstly, it was the bma, 8000 doctors, there were 64,000 gp's in the country. >> so a very small minority have voted well. >> are you saying that not voting is a legitimate reason for the result? >> very quickly, we're going to have to go to break. >> but the gps will now negotiate much harder because they've seen what's in the cupboard when it gets opened by laboun >> so were you turned down a pay rise? will you turn down a pay rise? will you turn down a pay rise in the interest of the nafion? >> we can get back into it.

maybe at another point. one still to come tonight. okay. they're so unruly, i can't control them. >> we will be warming up for ben leo's big interview with eric trump by discussing the presidential race. but next, protests continue about plans to cut winter fuel payments. well known defender of the aged benjamin butterworth will tell us what he thinks about this. you're the saturday five live gb news

back to saturday five. as always , thanks saturday five. as always, thanks for all of your emails about tonight's topics. edward says starmer couldn't have been more wooden and given off more signals that he couldn't wait to bolt from southport. always remember that he was a prosecutor . he cannot see the prosecutor. he cannot see the other side in any argument to write, rebecca says. benjamin should have been told by the producer either to withdraw his unwarranted allegation against ben leo or immediately leave the studio. >> yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah. and he's still not, still not made

me a cup of tea. >> you owe ben an apology and a cup of tea. >> i owe him a cup of tea. >> we'll do that. and rebecca says producer, you are sacked. but now it's time for the next debate. >> so let's hear from benjamin butterworth. >> all right. you're probably all going to hate me, but, this week we've had lots of problems in this country with the benefit bill. it costs an absolute bomb. can we afford it? but in good news this week, they decided that people that still have the curtains closed at mid—morning have flat screen tvs in their front room and don't go to work, are to lose a massive benefit that they get. yes, that's right, the pensioners aren't going to get their winter fuel allowance unless they're in one of the pension credit poverty categories. and thank god for that. and i'm sorry i know we have lots of older viewers that will be angry at me right now, but i think it is a perversion of the state that we take money from young workers barely able to afford to rent, let alone get the security of a home. and we take that money and we give it

to people with million pound houses in london and comfortable assets.i houses in london and comfortable assets. i think that is morally wrong. and the fact is that calling pensioners, having that word be synonymous with poverty has to end. 27% of pensioners are worth £1 million or more. so well done , rachel reeves, i'm well done, rachel reeves, i'm glad that you're ending the handout for the richest in society. >> i think benjamin knows some different pensioners to me. >> renee yeah, so you know , >> renee yeah, so you know, you're quite happy going to the old labour method of robbing from the elderly to make the young happy, because that's what we've just done . and there are we've just done. and there are 10 million pensioners who will lose this. 2 million of them are only just above the pension line. >> why don't you just call them the bourgeoisie and cut straight to it the bourgeois boomers. >> i agree, pensioners die of the cold. >> they die when they can't eat their heat, their homes. 2 million of them may not be able to do that this winter, but that's fine with you, because then you can have their houses. >> well, actually, i do think that it would be very helpful

for pensioners that have large houses that they don't need to downsize because we have a housing crisis and it's a fundamental problem. >> young people always buy big houses, don't they? that's what they're dying for. >> but also families, people trying to start a family and don't have the space and can't afford a house of the appropriate size. but the fact is that the idea that all pensioners are in poverty is just nonsense. 20 or 30 years ago, it was far more common. it is a success of our governments. over the last 20, 30 years that there are no longer anything like the number of pensioners in poverty. but the fact is, the poorest age group in this country is under 30. don't tell me , tell me, why should someone me, tell me, why should someone on 20 k living in newcastle , on 20 k living in newcastle, struggling to rent an apartment, be paying taxes for someone in £1 million home in london to heat their house? >> because when they tell me pensioner the other 20 year olds will pay. >> no no no no no. tell me why should they be funding richard branson's heating? >> can we just point out that for those pensioners being at the end of your life being worth over a million when you consider

house prices is actually not that much? if you consider that a lot of those pensioners will have their money in assets that then sell it, cash that they had, we can't live like this. we can't live in substandard accommodation in their old age when they've worked hard to have the house that they live in, which may in fact be their family home, maybe their family. >> and there you go. they had the chance to work hard and get a nice house, to have the comfort, to raise a family, to have that security. and there is a generation of people , anyone a generation of people, anyone under 40 in this country that's on a normal salary will struggle to get that opportunity. they won't buy a house, they won't have the money to start a family. and i'm sorry, but we have to rebalance this. we need to stop taking from the poor and giving to the rich. just because they're rich in 70 doesn't mean they're rich in 70 doesn't mean they're not rich, writes claire. >> get worded . >> get worded. >> get worded. >> i was gonna say if we just we just dial that down a minute because. do you know how much it costs to be able to onboard everybody onto the correct benefits? because there are an awful lot of pensioners who are not claiming pension credit for many different reasons. some of them are too proud , some of them them are too proud, some of them don't know how to access the

forms. they don't understand if they can claim it is incredibly difficult and i have sat with people going through endless pieces of paperwork to work out if they're entitled to do so. it costs so much money. it was looked at, i think back in 2014. this first came about and the government was told it would cost you double what the scheme is actually paying out in winter. fuel allowance, if you're going to start, means testing benefits. so it is a false economy for a beginning. and then go on to your point about, selling properties. well okay. because that's great because labour are now going to remove the cap on what can be spent on care. so we were going to put in the social care cap, which meant that everybody would pay a certain amount in from their own, estate . labour are now own, estate. labour are now going to remove that. so you're going to remove that. so you're going to remove that. so you're going to have people plunging themselves into debt if they have a long term condition, such as dementia or such as alzheimer's needs very specialised care. so all they're doing labour are just taking away now from the pensioners because it is politically

prudent for them to do so, because they are the more likely to vote conservative, and also if they get dementia at the end of their life, like my grandma, she if we didn't have her house in order to be able to fund that care, if she had, you know, liquidated those assets or whatever in order to be able to, to have more like cash to spend , to have more like cash to spend, then that money wouldn't have been there to take care of her in her old, old age. >> i think it's just a ridiculous suggestion that we should just steal people's property or force them to . it's property or force them to. it's not stealing property. >> it's saying, i'm sorry, emma. call me a conservative, but i think people should stand on their own. two feet. >> not calling you that, think. >> i think people should be responsible for themselves. i don't think that people with a million pound houses should be relying on the state to heat them. >> benjamin wants the elderly to stay on their own feet. >> benjamin wants people. >> benjamin wants people. >> why should a cleaner be playing mick jagger's winter fuel allowance? it's obscene. >> benjamin is the sort of person who wants the elderly to stand up on the train and give him a c. >> you want people to stand on

their own two feet whilst also saying pensioners should give way for the younger generation. pensioners have spent decades grafting building this country , grafting building this country, grafting building this country, grafting for their kids, buying houses and they're cutting off chances to another generation. >> it is economic craziness. it is arson on an unbelievable scale that we have cut off a generation of people getting the same opportunity that they had. there is nothing to be proud of by pulling the ladder up behind you, we're going to have to we're going to have to leave it there for now. >> but still to come tonight, ben leo will be telling us about his fantastic interview with donald trump's son, eric. clips coming up right here. and then a full interview from 9 pm. and we are going to warm up for that by discussing the presidential race. has kamala harris launched a run for the house? you're watching

welcome back to saturday. five emails and messages have been flying in. john says benjamin's

comments are insulting to decent people of this country . i comments are insulting to decent people of this country. i am not a right wing thug. i am a 65 year old who has a lot of concerns about the way this country is going, along with millions of others . he and he millions of others. he and he seems so happy that old age pensioners will lose their winter payments now renee also has a has a message from mama renee. >> mama de camp has texted in to say that benjamin is making older people feel worthless . older people feel worthless. he's unpleasant. >> i agree mama and de camp . he >> i agree mama and de camp. he is unpleasant. now it's time for our next debate. ben is going to finish us off this hour. >> she's a smart cookie. your mum renee. so look, i've just got back from aberdeen. i interviewed donald trump's son eric, and he was buoyant about his father's chances of winning re—election to the white house this november. so, of course, donald trump saw off sleepy joe biden in the last debate. he was so bad that he had to drop out. kamala harris is his replacement, and i find it quite interesting how the media, the mainstream media and a lot of the left, the democrats, have totally reinvented kamala harris into some sort of centrist goddess,

when the actual truth is that she's a militant leftist from san francisco who, for example , san francisco who, for example, oversaw the jailing of 1500 people for very minor marijuana offences , was accused of offences, was accused of delaying vital evidence in a man's case on death row, left him languishing there because she didn't want him to proceed with his appeal . and also with his appeal. and also additionally, jailing, many, many men for minor offences across san francisco when she had the option to give them much lower lenient sentences. so she's an absolute militant leftist, and i find it very bizarre and hilarious at times how she's now been reinvented by the democrats and the media into this person who can now take on donald trump in the white house. i just spoke to eric trump. he's absolutely certain his father is still going to win despite this kamala bounce. and i'm sure when they debate on september the 4th, it has just been announced. last night, donald trump accepted her invitation for a clash. he will absolutely wipe the floor with her, as he did joe biden some weeks ago . joe biden some weeks ago. >> it's interesting, isn't it,

how she went in in, polling in the states from being really, really unpopular to this, like weird sort of kamala fever. >> do you know what it is? it's a complete lie. and kamala harris, the democrats for the best part of two years, have been lying to 350 million americans and themselves by saying joe biden's fine. there's nothing wrong with him. he has been declining during that time. they knew about it. of course they did. and they've lied to people. they've lied all the way along. and it's only now they've had to admit, because he got so bad that he was in a bit of a that's the reason why she managed to raise record numbers of funds in such a short amount of funds in such a short amount of time, just because all of the all of the democrats were just like, sleepy joe's gone. of course, they're all about i'm going to be honest, they're all a bunch of liars. they're deceptive. they've lied to the american people. and how selfish have you got to be as well, by the way, to have a president still sitting in office when, you know, he's not even competent to tell you what day of the week it is? it's absurd. >> benjamin, you probably hate trump, don't you? as much as

pensioners, maybe a bit less. >> i don't hate pensioners, i was raised by pensioners. i was raised by my grandparents. but we weren't terribly ungrateful. >> what i would say, i think it's really interesting. >> when you gave their house away, when, they're going to inherit it. >> and. i'm sorry. go on. benjamin. when trump when joe biden said he wasn't going to restand and put kamala harris was basically obviously going to be the candidate straight away once he said she was heir apparent, i thought, oh god, that's a nightmare because she's not been a popular vp. >> she's not seemed very effective. i don't think she can win, but she's really rising to the task. and i think that's why you saw not even spoken to the media, donald trump when he was president. >> every day when he was there, would go to the white house lawn and speak to a barrage of reporters throwing insults and, you know, biased questions at him. kamala harris hasn't once spoken off the cuff to any of the media. when donald, she's not risen to anything. the mainstream media have turned her into this, you know, absolute touch, untouchable goddess. when she's not risen to any task at all, donald trump sounds like a sort of a drunk man wandering past a bus stop. >> he makes no sense and just says anything that comes into

his head. >> well, i think it's going to be really interesting when they do have a debate, actually, because don't forget kamala, which he tried to avoid. >> he spent he spent last week or so declining to do the original debate. >> but don't forget, this is the woman who, when she visited south korea, stood up there and gave a speech and said, it's really lovely to be in north korea so she could well be as bad as sleepy joe, which also, i might point out, is an excuse. >> sarah palin, the vp candidate for john mccain, confused south and north korea. so there's a vp trend there. but can i just say the point i want to make the objective point is that the trump strategy was to say that sleepy joe is too old. you can't have a sort of delirious elderly man in the white house, which i don't disagree with. it would be irrational to disagree with that, but i think he might inadvertently be the victim of his own strategy now, because you turn it around and say, well, hang on. yeah, you were right. i don't want an old man that witters on and doesn't make sense. and now that person is donald trump with biden was the fact that he was senile. >> trump is still sharp as anything. >> trump. trump reads non—stop from a non script, from no autocue whatsoever joe biden.

but he makes no sense. joe biden, he thinks hannibal lecter is a real person. joe biden couldn't even read his name from an autocue without stuttering. trump is playing golf almost daily. he's fit as a fiddle both physically and mentally. >> yes, rene's that intense . >> yes, rene's that intense. disagree. that intense physical activity. yeah exactly. >> you did this interview actually at the golf course, didn't you? so maybe you can hook benjamin up to play trump at golf. >> i'm not sure he'd be welcome at trump international. >> what do you think , claire? >> what do you think, claire? >> what do you think, claire? >> well, i mean i think it's going to be a really interesting, presidential race because it looked like it was going to be very staid when we still had joe biden. now we've got kamala harris into to kind of mix it up a little bit. but i do think that donald trump had a real hard time at the black journalism event recently , and journalism event recently, and he put his foot in it no end. he made some comments that were really distasteful, did you not ask him about those at any point, >> i did actually, yeah, i think

and he the it was, it was, it was a normal i mean, it was a normal question. kamala harris has been posting in years gone by on twitter pictures of her growing up with her indian mother. she's an indian dress and she's referred to herself previously as indian american indian . so, you know, suddenly indian. so, you know, suddenly donald trump has a point . donald trump has a point. >> i'm not sure he does, actually, because i think it would be if i was giving a speech in holland, i think i'd play speech in holland, i think i'd play on the fact that i have dutch heritage, and i think that's what she's been doing. i think trump was silly. i don't think trump was silly. i don't think he needed to do it, and it was clumsy. and i don't think he's going to play well for him. but i think the debate will be key. >> i actually don't think it was an accident at all, because one of the big parts of trump's strategy is that he thinks he can win over a much bigger chunk of black voters . and so what is of black voters. and so what is one way to try and stain kamala harris? it's to say, oh, she's not really black. she's not really like you. she doesn't understand your culture because she's mainly indian. and i think this was intentional. he is trying to drop that line to see if it lands, because for some time he's been trying to win over black men, except those

voters, those african american trump voters are very anti identity politics and probably would actually take his side on that because they wouldn't like the fact that she's playing the identity politics game. >> but i think it actually turns people off of politics as a whole. and i think probably a lot of black communities are going to go, do you know what? we're not going to be used like this and we're not going to have it. >> let's give trump some credit here. all other presidents do. we have to well, we have to. republicans had been invited to this event year after year and had never attended. he went he took very hostile questions. he was there. >> she didn't even turn up. >> she didn't even turn up. >> right, right, right. >> right, right, right. >> so that's that. loads more to come, on tonight's show, including the first peek at ben leo's brilliant interview with eric trump and what should be a lively saturday scrap as doctor renee and benjamin clash over whether the bbc should remove huw edwards voice from the queen's funeral and king's coronation coverage. that's all coming up . coming up. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers sponsors of weather

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>> it's saturday night and this is saturday. the saturday five i am emma webb along with ben, leo, doctor renee hoenderkamp claire pearsall and benjamin butterworth . plenty more to come butterworth. plenty more to come tonight, including the highlights from ben leo's fantastic interview with none other than eric trump . plus, other than eric trump. plus, what should be a very, very lively saturday scrap over whether the bbc should take the voice of huw edwards off of their broadcasts of state occasions. it's 7 pm. and this is saturday five. and in bunch of five we will be discussing

the boxing scandal, which has beset the olympics, and asking if phillip schofield is set to make a comeback on i'm a celeb. then we'll be answering your questions in ask the five and do send them through to gb news.com/yoursay. but first it's your saturday night news with tatiana sanchez . tatiana sanchez. >> emma thank you and good evening. the top stories protests have been taking place in several parts of the country today. ministers met this afternoon to discuss the potential for further widespread disorder. and in that meeting with senior mps, the prime minister said the right to freedom of expression and the freedom—fif—expressian and the disorder we've freedom—ef~expreesieh and the disorder we've seen are violent disorder we've seen are two very different things. he also said there's no excuse for violence of any kind. merseyside police have said a number of officers have been injured dunng officers have been injured during serious disorder in liverpool city centre . four men liverpool city centre. four men have been arrested in stoke on trent after disorder in the staffordshire city in hull , staffordshire city in hull, around 100 people gathered outside a migrant hotel being

guarded by police, where a window was smashed. at least three people were led away in handcuffs as demonstrators faced counter—protesters in nottingham. meanwhile, police in riot gear were deployed in belfast amid tense exchanges between protesters and an anti—racism rally with a small number of fireworks being thrown . number of fireworks being thrown. northumberland police have accused protesters of unforgivable violence and disorder following rioting in sunderland city centre last night . videos posted on social night. videos posted on social media showed a former police officer police office ablaze while a mosque was also targeted. vehicles were overturned and set on fire as rioters clashed with police officers throwing rocks and bottles. five police officers were injured, with four hospitalised and ten people arrested for offences including violent disorder and burglary. home secretary yvette cooper says police have the government's full backing to take the action they need against violent protesters . against violent protesters. >> well, criminal violence and

disorder has no place on britain's streets. we've been clear to the police that they have our full backing in taking the strongest possible action against perpetrators, including were making sure that there are more prosecutors, there are sufficient prison places and also that the courts stand ready because anyone who engages in this kind of disorder needs to be clear that they will pay the price . price. >> in other news to the united states, donald trump has agreed to debate vice president kamala harris . he accepted to debate vice president kamala harris. he accepted an to debate vice president kamala harris . he accepted an offer harris. he accepted an offer from fox news for a televised face off on the 4th of september. it wasn't known if the presumptive democratic nominee would agree to take part , nominee would agree to take part, although she had previously indicated that she was ready . indicated that she was ready. trump says the debate will feature a full arena audience. kamala harris has responded in a statement today, accusing the former president of running scared and suggesting he should stick to the debate he already committed to. on the 10th of

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i'm emma and i can promise you that you are in for a very lively second hour of the show. so let's crack on with tonight's big interview, and we're going to do things slightly differently this week because our own ben leo has been up to scotland today to speak to donald trump's son, eric. they covered a wide range of topics and the full interview is coming up on mark dolan tonight from 9 pm. but we are getting a sneaky p.m. but we are getting a sneaky preview, eric told ben that what it is like to be donald trump's son, so let's take a look at that. >> i went into his room every single day as i went to school, and he always looked at me. he goes, eric, no drinking, no drugs , no smoking. okay, let me drugs, no smoking. okay, let me say that again. no drinking, no drugs, no smoking. you better do well in school. right. and that's how we always went off. but he still calls us, you know, my boy. my boy. right. and he's like, i know he's a 40 year old who runs a seven, eight, $10 billion company. but he's still my boy, right? he might be old. he might have grey in his moustache, but, you know, he's still my boy. and, now he's incredibly loving guy. you see, he's not terribly trump like, is

he? >> no , he speaks really well. >> no, he speaks really well. he's a lot calmer than his father . i'm he's a lot calmer than his father. i'm not he's a lot calmer than his father . i'm not saying he's a lot calmer than his father. i'm not saying donald doesn't, but he's a lot calmer than his father. he's very articulate though, and i asked him in that question then i said, you know, what kind of father is donald trump? because melania trump released that really eloquent statement after the assassination attempt, saying, look, the general public and the world sees donald as this political beast, you know, and he is in one aspect, he's a massive politician. and all they see is the man on the stage, the republican leader that would be president . but behind the president. but behind the scenes, he, of course, is a father . like many other people. father. like many other people. he's a grandfather. he likes music. he enjoys playing sport. he's a human being. >> his granddaughter actually did that very heartfelt speech, didn't she, at the big kai trump conference. yeah. that's talking about how you know, he's just her grandfather. >> exactly. so i wanted to kind of draw out from eric, the man behind the donald trump persona. and he said to me, he said, you know, he called me within an hour of the assassination attempt, and he gave a heartfelt

response. he said, look, i'm okay. i'm going to be at the republican convention in a few weeks. we're going to do this. we're going to do this together, and there's a great clip. i think we're going to play mark dolan show, where i asked eric where he was when he found out his father had been shot . and he his father had been shot. and he was actually, i won't reveal too much, but he was watching it live with his kids on his sofa at home, and it was quite a heart wrenching moment, hearing him describe that, you know, the instant he found out his father had been shot. >> benjamin of course you'll be watching this very keenly to see the human side of the trump family. >> you know, i mean, i can't pretend otherwise. i'm obsessed with them. absolutely fascinated, because they are remarkable people. they have exceptional accomplishments. they're a very unusual family. they're a very unusual family. they're quite hard to relate to. to most of us. and, you know, i'm always really interested to try and see the kind of human behind the construction that we consume, you know, as, as citizens, as people that watch the media. right. you know, what

is it like to be in a goldfish bowl as part of the most famous or the most talked about family in the world at the moment? >> well, i was just going to say that actually, that probably ben, what this does is it actually brings a new stream to donald trump because actually we don't really know anything. we know melania is there in the background and we know they've got the, you know, the little boy. but that's about all we know. we don't ever. >> it's quite a tall boy now. >> it's quite a tall boy now. >> yeah, he is. he's 16 actually isn't he? >> eric is massive, by the way. i thought i was tall. i'm just under 62, but eric towers over me. >> yeah, but we've never really seen the human side of him, so i think listening to ben, i was thinking, oh, maybe we just get to see a little bit more, and it can only do him good. >> i think they're quite a charismatic family, aren't they? >> they are. and it's they're so sort of behind closed doors. so, you know, as, as renee was saying, you know, melania's there, you know, barron and then there, you know, barron and then there are the others. so i think it's really interesting to actually get behind that and find out who these people are, what they do, what they're like. i'm like, you , i'm actually i'm like, you, i'm actually fascinated. well, they are to learn about in a way , they are

learn about in a way, they are a bit like the extended royal family, which is a good segue to the next clip , because we have a the next clip, because we have a clip here, eric trump talking about the british royal family. >> what i can tell you is my father had so much respect for the queen, as did i. my mom knew so many of them for years. i think you probably know that had a great relationship with diana and everyone else. and, you know, that's a very sacred kind of institution. and, you can happily have those two back. we'll happily send them back from america. you can have them back over here. but i'm not sure if you guys want them any more than we might not want them anymore. they feel like they're on a little bit of an island of their own. but listen, you can always have bad actors in anything. you can always have, you know, spoilt apples and. and every orchard. but, the institution of, of the royal family is, is beautiful and, it's something that's really actually admired by, by a lot of americans and, and i think that should be protected. >> and i find the, the way that americans relate to the royal family, the british royal family, the british royal family, so fascinating because it's almost it's not quite like

they're just plain celebrities , they're just plain celebrities, but it's almost as if they're sort of like it's a bit sort of perverted in a way. it's almost like they kind of want them back, don't you think? yeah, but not not meghan markle . they not not meghan markle. they don't want that one. >> well, he said eric said, he said you can have them back. we don't want them. i asked about whether donald trump, if and when he makes it back to the white house, whether donald trump would a push for the pubuc trump would a push for the public release of harry's visa. of course, there's that big controversy about whether harry lied about previous drug use or something. >> the heritage foundation, aren't they? they're pushing to try and get information about that, because he might not legitimately be in. >> exactly. >> exactly. >> and it might be in a legal you get a sense that maybe the trumps might deport harry. >> and i asked him outright. you'll see later on, i said, if it is the case that harry has lied on his visa application, will your father deport donald trump? you'll see the answer a bit later on. >> deport prince harry, not donald trump. >> sorry. yeah, yeah. in benjamin's dreams. yeah, i asked him. you'll find out later , but him. you'll find out later, but i think we take the royal family for granted in this country. and i said to eric, there's a bit of an agenda here. you've got the

repubuc an agenda here. you've got the republic movement who want to turn us into, you know, get rid of the monarchy, basically. and he said he basically blames harry and meghan for pushing that which was quite interesting. >> that's interesting. >> that's interesting. >> you know, it always amazes me the soft power that the royal family gives us. i remember a few years ago i was in kyrgyzstan, and this guy, this driver i had, didn't speak a word of english and, and so he just tried to name famous people. and so he named, princess catherine and prince william. right. those were the people that he could name. the whole world knows and is familiar with our royal family. i think if trump were to say that prince harry can't legitimately be in the country because he lied , that would be a because he lied, that would be a diplomatic crisis. you know, that would be not a good thing between our two countries. whatever you think about them as individuals. >> i was going to say that special relationship would get a little bit more special, wouldn't it? >> i mean, the only thing that would cause friction would be that we'd have to take him back. >> who knows, maybe meghan markle could be the vp candidate. she could be on the ticket. i think she'd like that.

>> interesting, wouldn't it, if, if harry being deported back to the uk were the thing to split them up. >> do you know what? i wouldn't rule it out because the trumps are. i asked again. you'll see the full clip later, but i asked eric trump about the comments from david lammy, who is now the foreign secretary. of course, lammy in previous years called him a nazi sympathising sociopath who mixes with the ku klux klan and all sorts of other nonsense. and i said, your dad doesn't forget stuff like that, doesn't forget stuff like that, does he? because he's a very loyal guy, just like his friendship with nigel farage. he remembers that nigel stuck his head above the parapet in 2015, 2016 and tried to support donald trump in his race for the white house. and trump doesn't forget that kind of stuff. so i think when it comes to harry and meghan, where he sees, especially in harry, a treacherous little toad , if treacherous little toad, if i may say so, he he doesn't forget that kind of thing. >> is there any talk of farage in your interview? yes because obviously there is a special relationship there is between trump and farage and if he were to become president, it would be quite unique for a smaller party to have a more special relationship. perhaps with the with the president of the united

states than than the government. >> eric said that he would be very open to the idea of some sort of role for nigel. i don't know if, as an mp, whether he could, whether he's even allowed to do that, but he definitely said himself, his father, the family, they love, nigel, they love his loyalty and his friendship. and they were certainly open to having some sort of role, whether formal or informal. if trump wins, there's a bit more of a teaser. >> benn, what for you was the highlight of this conversation? what for you was the sort of thing that stood out as the most interesting little bit? or is that something that must be save for later? people have to say it was. >> i mean, there was a few moments, there was the i asked, i asked, where were you when you found out your father was shot? and he gave quite a colourful anecdote of the moment he discovered when his father was shot, but also i, i relayed those comments from david lammy and also a dozen members of starmer's current cabinet, who have said awful things about donald trump in recent years. i read them out to him. i said, what do you think of that? what does your father think of that? will he remember it? so yeah, you'll find out his answer.

>> did you read benjamin butterworth's? yeah, yeah. they're all going to be sat around in the cabinet office having a little look to see important diplomatic information that you retain there. >> i mean, this is the extraordinary thing. you know, you could have a situation with nigel farage being the go to person for the us president with british diplomatic political matters. well, farage, you know, this could be this could be quite unpredictable. >> farage did broker, as far as i understand, a meeting , some i understand, a meeting, some months back between david lammy, when he wasn't, he was shadow foreign secretary at the time and trump's team. i understand he met j.d. vance amongst other people, possibly don junior as well. >> i'm such a big fan of jd vance. okay, that's all we've got time for now. >> but are you a childless cat lady that interview will be, all full on, mark dolan's show at 9 pm. tonight. p.m. tonight. >> now , imagine having £30,000 >> now, imagine having £30,000 extra in your bank to play with this year. well, it could be yours in the latest great british giveaway. we're giving away our biggest cash prize so

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welcome back to saturday five. as always, thanks to you for all of your emails on tonight's topics. mean says i am up for a debate with benjamin at the table. at a table in the pub. we would end up besties though he would find himself slightly enlightened to the real world. think of that, benjamin. well, she's got £300 from the state so she's got £300 from the state so she can afford a few drinks. >> i'm sure. >> i'm sure.

>> such an such an unpleasant person, benjamin. anyway lyle says ben interviewed eric trump today in scotland and then made it down. back down for the show. yes, he really did, let's make him the new transport minister. well, i think he's definitely got some insights into what's wrong, that's for sure. now it's time for this. wrong, that's for sure. now it's time for this . now it's time for time for this. now it's time for tonight's main event. the bbc may remove huw edwards voice from the queen's funeral and the king's coronation coverage. this comes after the former newsreader pleaded guilty to possessing indecent images of children. some people say this is the right thing to do, as hugh has disgraced himself. however some believe that this is going too far as he was part of these historic events and that would be to rewrite history. now let's see what doctor renee and benjamin think of this one. >> ladies first. away from there . >> ladies first. away from there. >> ladies first. away from there. >> off you go, renee. >> off you go, renee. >> okay, so i heard this and i was thinking about it today that the bbc were thinking that they

could use in all of the technology that they have now remove huw edwards voice from the coverage of the queen's funeral. and i thought about that, and i thought how ridiculous it was as an idea. now i'm the first one to defend children and say that we don't value them enough, and we don't punish people enough when they do bad things to children. but this isn't about that. this is about something that's already happened. it's in the past. his voice is there. we didn't know about his crimes then, and i think the moment we start tampering with history and erasing people's voices from al and maybe putting someone else's voice over , when do we stop voice over, when do we stop that? where's the line ? when do that? where's the line? when do we go to books and start taking out words and pages ? i mean, out words and pages? i mean, some could argue we've already started doing that with some of them. roald dahl books, for example. but in the main , i'm example. but in the main, i'm not a fan of changing history. we can explain it, but i think to start removing it and to start taking away people's voices is actually so orwellian that it's dangerous and it's scary. >> i think it's a complicated

one for sure. but look , huw one for sure. but look, huw edwards has turned out to not be the man we thought he was. he's a monster. he's a liar. he's a money grabber. and that has become painfully true in the last week or so, as revelations have emerged. and what i have a problem with is that, you know, if he were to be removed from random programs he'd done from the bbc, would it matter much? maybe not. but what we're talking about here and what's been reported on in the daily telegraph is that his narration of the queen's funeral, and of those days of national mourning for this country, that his voice be removed from that now, this is a matter of history and shared, you know, experience for all of us. and i think the idea that the queen's final moments have the voice of a man that we now know to be as disgraceful as huw edwards over the top of them, is an insult to our late queen. it's an insult to the people that cared for her, and it's an insult to all the decent people at the bbc that worked exceptionally hard to cover that

funeral to the country that, you know, 30 million of us watched. and so i think they're right to remove his voice because her legacy shouldn't be tarred with his actions and his voice on top of it. >> yeah, i get that, benjamin. i really do. and i completely understand the man is absolutely deplorable. anybody that can commit the crimes that he has absolutely deplorable. but this is history. it happened. taking his voice away doesn't mean it didn't happen. that's really important. and it for me, it's just this slow, slow walk to total authoritarianism where we can change anything and pretend that it didn't happen. >> i think back to jimmy savile, who is the most obscene paedophile this country has ever seen. and of course, was the bbc's biggest star. and after he was exposed, against the bbc's wishes , there was a statue of wishes, there was a statue of him in leeds that was pulled down. there were all sorts of celebrations of him that were

disappeared. now, i don't think anybody that had a note of jimmy savile, whether it was a plaque on the wall or a statue in leeds, would want to be walking past those. they'd say they should be removed. and i think thatis should be removed. and i think that is the attitude we should go that is the attitude we should 90 by that is the attitude we should go by 100%. >> and i, you know, a statue is a statue. you take it down, nobody knows it was there. this is something that actually happenedin is something that actually happened in time. the queen's funeral happened and hugh's voice was over the top of it. you start changing that and you've actually altered history. you're not just removing a statue, you're altering history. >> let's broaden it out. claire, what do you think? it's not. it surely isn't right to just like a good, a good, sensible idea to disappear people from the historical record, no matter how bad they are. because that distorts the historical record. >> well, that's right, and i think it would be. it would be one of those really weird situations if you either had nothing there. so you just had footage of the funeral with no voice over it. or if you put someone else's voice dubbed over it, i mean, it would be a lie, it, i mean, it would be a lie, it would be a lie. and those of

us who are old enough remember when gerry adams was dubbed on television because we weren't allowed to hear his voice? and you look at it as the most ridiculous thing in this day and age to do, and it feels a little bit like that. would it be dubbed? would it be a different voice? this is history. it has happened. doesn't take away from the fact that what he's done is awful. >> yeah. there's a kind of sort of like a mystical aspect to it, isn't it? oh, we can't hear his voice, but it is. it is how it happened. it is how that was reported. and so surely it is wrong to just remove his voice, no matter how bad he is. >> i think it's all a bit silly. it's a bit of a red herring. the biggest. >> they just want to make some kind of statement out of it. >> yeah. the biggest issue here is the fact that the bbc is going to be forced to pay £300,000 a year for huw edwards pension , his gold plated pension, his gold plated pension, his gold plated pension, even if he serves up to ten years in prison for his crimes. and the reason being is because the bbc apparently don't have morality clauses in their contracts. i don't know if anyone has watched the morning show on apple tv. anyone at home. it's one of my favourite

series, but it's about a news anchor who gets up to some sexual mischief, some impropriety and he gets sacked. he loses everything, he impropriety and he gets sacked. he loses everything , he loses he loses everything, he loses millions, he loses his home because in his contract is a morality clause, it turns out. and tim davie alluded to this this week, that the bbc don't have morality clauses in their contracts. it's going to be quite unusual, at least not huw edwards contract. so regardless of what he's done and how long he spends in prison, huw edwards is going to be pocketing £300,000 a year of licence fee money for the rest of his life. >> are they not deflecting from the reality, like the fact that the reality, like the fact that the reality, like the fact that the real issue here is that licence fee is, which is, you know, the licence fee is effectively a tax licence fee payers have been funding the salary and will continue to fund the pension of a convicted paedophile. >> i think they probably are doing that . yes. and i think doing that. yes. and i think that this is them trying to look like they're doing the right thing after they've done the wrong thing for a very long time. you know, we know from the sun's excellent reporting in the last year that the parents of

one person who's not involved in what he pleaded guilty to, but they had made complaints to the bbc repeatedly and they'd been ignored, so they weren't doing the right thing when no newspapers were looking. what i'd say is that actually, i think this plays into these questions we have about cancel culture and people being accused and decided they're guilty, even if they're not. right. so the bbc knew that he'd been arrested on serious charges in november and kept paying him. they paid him £200,000. now the natural reaction is that's unacceptable because now we know he's admitted to doing it and will be given a sentence or something like that in a few months. but actually being arrested is not an acknowledgement of guilt. you are innocent until found guilty is something like 300 and so, but i just point out that , you but i just point out that, you know, if you'd been arrested for something terrible that you hadnt something terrible that you hadn't done and you then lost your income for six months, that could ruin you for years, that wouldn't be fair. and i think that, you know, to say that the bbc should have cut him off, then. well, you might think that because it turns out he's a right, you know, he's a total

wrong'un. but actually that's a rule that would get very messy if we all live like that. >> yeah, i agree, i think that they were in a very difficult situation in the actual period between him, first of all, being arrested and charged 100%. i don't think they could have done anything else. but as you rightly say, the time for them to act was when the parents went and they had form, you know, people came forward about jimmy savile and they were dismissed. when these parents came forward, they should have learned from their previous mistakes and said, something here needs not just huw edwards, of course, because there's a whole long string of examples of, of wrong'uns that they didn't sort of take seriously, pick up on or, you know, there's obviously some kind of they're paying huge salaries to people in diversity roles and, and they have obviously have not got their safeguarding sorted out. >> and that's the problem. and if you listen to tim davey's comments and there's sort of almost speech lecture that he gave as an interview, it's sort of said, well, we didn't really know, so it can't really be our fault. and it's that attitude i find shocking from an organisation, as you say, that has many, many diversity tsars hidden within it. and we all pay it through through a tax, which

is the licence fee that they didn't know. they didn't understand, they couldn't see what was going. >> yeah, they won't know if they don't investigate it will they? which was clearly the attitude they were taking. you know. don't you know, what is it. don't you know, what is it. don't say , don't hear. what's don't say, don't hear. what's that phrase. >> yeah, you know obe. >> yeah, you know obe. >> exactly. and, you know, i think that's the problem here. and actually, i would also lay this that , you know, jeremy this that, you know, jeremy vine, the radio two presenter, he the other day said that he'd always found huw edwards a deeply unpleasant man, that he wasn't very nice. and so it suggests that the culture at the bbc was accepting someone highly dubious for quite a long time. >> and let's just remember, whilst the bbc chases cancer patients for unpaid licence fees, paedophile huw edwards is on 300 k a year. that's where your money? >> well, that's a very good note to end on. still ahead, we will take your questions and ask the five. nothing is off limits so get them in. but next the olympic boxing round that has got everyone talking and is phillip schofield really being lined up for a comeback in i'm a celebrity get me out of here! it's almost time for bunch of five. you're with the saturday

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welcome back to saturday five. as always. thank you so much for all of your emails and messages on tonight's topic, topics adrian says no, you can't remove huw edwards voice from the queen's funeral. just don't show him any more on tv like we don't get savile or glitter , aaron get savile or glitter, aaron also said, i bet benji i'm guessing they're referring to you, benjamin butterworth again. i bet my dad calls me benji, so i bet my dad calls me benji, so i bet my dad calls me benji, so i bet benji doesn't want any pensioners to win the £30,000 giveaway, even though most pensioners don't even own their own home to right now. it's time for this . right still ahead, we for this. right still ahead, we have all of your questions in

oh, sorry. first we're going to ben. leo is going to lead us off here, >> ben, write to you, >> ben, write to you, >> so doing the rounds in the papers today is this. i find it, very funny indeed. apparently, phillip schofield, remember him of itv fame? he is, quote unquote , the front runner to unquote, the front runner to appearin unquote, the front runner to appear in this autumn's itv i'm appear in this autumn's itv i'm a celebrity get me out of here in australia. of course it was nigel farage last year. in australia. of course it was nigel farage last year . this nigel farage last year. this yean nigel farage last year. this year, apparently phillip schofield is in the running. he's been pictured out and about with, ant and dec having dinner in recent weeks and apparently this is going to be his big chance to revive his tv career after leaving itv in rather shameful circumstances. so panel phillip schofield so weird isn't it ? eating those, those critters it? eating those, those critters down under going on i'm a celebrity get me out of here is literally the worst thing someone can do to launder their reputation. >> it can only show you up to be a bad person. >> i think nigel did okay, nigel, but nigel. >> nigel is a genuinely nice,

decent bloke. >> and that's the reason why he came out looking good. but most people are not as nice and decent as nigel, so they don't. >> what i find astounding about this is if it's true, and he is about to be rehabilitated. if he had been involved with a young woman who he had enticed and groomed, if that's the word you want to use, he would never see the light of day again. you'd like to think, but he would. but because it's a young man, so he would never see the light of day, but because it's a young man, there's an acceptability about it somehow that it's okay. that and if you say anything about it , that and if you say anything about it, it's homophobia. well it isn't. it's a young, vulnerable person, whether it's a boy or a girl. and that's what i hate about this. >> yeah, see, i don't think this is in any way true. i think this is in any way true. i think this is something that has been dreamt up. people are putting it out there to i don't know, get everybody ready for the comeback of phillip schofield at some point. >> the same pr team i do i think it's him behind it. >> let's put this out there. see how that one lands. i mean, it's

the sort of flag flying that happensin the sort of flag flying that happens in politics with different policy ideas. and that's what it strikes me as. i don't think there's necessarily any truth in it, but nobody's going to really dampen it down, because of course everybody's going to talk about it. and here we are this evening talking about it. >> and look, you know, he was an itv star i'm a celeb. he's an itv star i'm a celeb. he's an itv show now. there's a parliamentary inquiry yet to start looking into this behaviour and cover ups of things like sexual assault in media organisations . the focus media organisations. the focus of that is itv. are they really going to want him on their flagship show, their most watched programme on the channel watched programme on the channel, when a select committee in parliament is calling in their bosses to see what they did when they were questions over his conduct at this morning, i don't reckon it will happen. i wonder whether he's putting this out to, as you say , putting this out to, as you say, get ready for him having a job again. >> i'd love to see it though. >> i'd love to see it though. >> seems a bit unlikely, doesn't it? >> i'd love to see in— >> i'd love to see it. it? >> i'd love to see it. send me back down under to the gold coast to be a scout correspondent. i'm there for it. >> right. renee, over to you. >> right. renee, over to you. >> okay, so this week, i think in my opinion, the olympics have introduced a new layer of

misogyny . they've never been misogyny. they've never been very keen on women. don't forget that women were not allowed to do the ski jump until 2014, because they might damage their wombs, and that's true. that's actually true. and they've actually true. and they've actually been steadfastly refusing to do gender tests. so until 2000, there was a very simple cheek swab gender test. and they they surveyed 1000 elite women. 84% of them said they had no problem with it, 94% said they they didn't find it intrusive at all. but no, they don't. they're not prepared to don't. they're not prepared to do it. there is suggestion this week that two boxers actually have x y chromosomes. week that two boxers actually have x y chromosomes . they have x y chromosomes. they failed a female chromosome test. we don't know for sure because this is what's been reported. and they have allowed those two boxers who are banned by the international boxing association into the ring with women. it's like a new sport. if it's true of men beating up women. now, i don't know what you feel. i think that boxing is divided by weight and sex because it's a dangerous sport. and if it's

true that these two men are xy, these two women are xy, that actually makes them male in every cell of their body. what are we waiting for? are we waiting for a brain injury? are we waiting for a woman to die? it's baffling. >> yeah, it could be fatal. i think it's crazy, but the ioc, would argue that this person was raised as a woman. >> they have low testosterone, which they have argued that they've said no testosterone tests have been done. >> well, they're saying that according to the passport, this person's been raised as a woman all their life, and they have an f in their passport, which, according to the ioc, it qualifies as a woman. >> well, that's equivalent to self—id, isn't it? >> and herein is the problem with self—id. look, it's a very sad situation because if they do have xy dsd, then they they looked like they were female at birth. they most likely have been raised as a woman, but what happens is, is they have internal testes that secrete testosterone, and if it's working, which it looks like it probably is with these people, they actually then have the power in puberty of men.

>> the question is, if it is the case, this isn't a trans issue. this is if this person was born with this certain condition. so if that's the case, where do people like this compete in sports? >> well, presumably in a category of their own. benjamin, you're woke and have terrible news. what do you think of this? >> but i mean, it's not a transgender issue. it shows the complications of it. i do think that, you know, when you get men that, you know, when you get men that are built in a way different to 99% of other men, you know, with exceptional natural abilities in sport that no other man can compare to. we say, oh, isn't that brilliant? and i think sometimes, you know, women with these, with these unusual, unusual biologies are we then saying, oh, well, you must be a man. >> i'm saying, no, no, because this person, this person variation , these weight is variation, these weight is natural and it is a variation caster semenya has this and has fathered children. >> she's she actually now looks just like a man. she she sits next to her wife looking like a man because she has testosterone at male levels, because she has

internal testes. that's not a woman who's extra strong, an extra difference. that's a woman who has testosterone. because actually her chromosomes say she's a man. >> i think the difficulty is, though, that, you know, this person on every scientific and official record is a woman. no. well they are no, they are they they they've never been they've never been. they've never been categorised as anything other than a woman. >> the authorities tested this person's chromosomes and it's ex—wife. >> yeah, but what i mean is they they have a woman's birth certificate, a woman's passport, have lived life as a woman papen >> trump's genetic test. >> trump's genetic test. >> move on. we've got to move on. >> right. it's my turn. sorry. >> right. it's my turn. sorry. >> chair's prerogative. >> chair's prerogative. >> so many of you will remember, abdul ezedi who converted to christianity, and then went on to commit that gross attack in, in clapham. well now the reverend matthew firth, who has who came out at the time and exposed what he described as a conveyor belt of conversions to christianity by people who wanted to stay in the uk, has

said that he might go up for being, as a chancellor, go, go up as a candidate for being chancellor of oxford university. so be standing against lord hague and would be the sort of anti—woke candidate. >> well, they they call it pray to stay , don't they? and i to stay, don't they? and i worked on the, liverpool bomber in the hospital , bomber worked on the, liverpool bomber in the hospital, bomber in liverpool, and i went and spoke to one of the reverends there who en masse, he converts, migrants from islam to christianity just so they can stay. so it's a massive racket , stay. so it's a massive racket, andifs stay. so it's a massive racket, and it's a massive concern. and i don't know why people like this guy. what's his role? why are they being elevated to such massive roles when, i mean, for example, in liverpool, at least he shouldn't have been there. that person i can't remember his name , but the guy he wants to challenge. >> so this guy he exposed the fact that there was this conveyor belt, he exposed him. >> he exposed it. >> he exposed it. >> he exposed it. >> he came out and said at the time, that he's obviously church of england. i think this guy converted through another church. but, he came out at the time and said, that this is a

this is a conveyor belt. there are all these people who are coming in and converting to christianity, and the anglican church is aware of it. so he was the whistleblower. >> so he was the whistleblower, and now he's come out and said that he's going to, to effectively, i don't really know how the system works, but effectively run to become as a candidate to become the woke oxford university in order to try and stop that wokery got it, which i don't think is a bad thing to aspire to. >> i'm not a fan of many woke issues, but also on the flip side of this, because i don't want to anger poor benji over here. is that is he is he going to be the best person for the job because he's going to be up against some incredibly good people. you've mentioned lord haig, who i happen to think is a very good person for a role such as that . so whilst i admire as that. so whilst i admire whistleblowing and i think that we should celebrate that and removal of some of the ridiculous wokeness that we have recently, you still want the best person for the job to be in charge of a university as vice chancellor, but he does have the experience of running a church and all those things. >> i know it's not quite the

same thing, but maybe it might be a good thing to have somebody who isn't your your, your typical candidate, somebody who's actually got courage to stand up against some of this stuff so that. >> yeah, but is any of it relevant to the job he's applying for? i'm not sure if it is . i applying for? i'm not sure if it is. i dare applying for? i'm not sure if it is . i dare say applying for? i'm not sure if it is. i dare say i'm not. you know, i didn't go to oxford. i'm not familiar with with the intricacies of how you get selected for this, but i suspect that william hague would be a far more appropriate candidate. >> right. class turn right. >> right. class turn right. >> the thing about the olympics is that you end up watching a bunch of sport that you would never , ever do. and this week i never, ever do. and this week i have watched the most amazing shooter. so this was in the air pistol category. yusuf diet of turkey, who got the silver medal. he came out looking like somebody that was just off for a walk. he'd gone maybe to the shops and he'd popped into the olympic stadium , put on his olympic stadium, put on his specs, hand in his pocket, pulled out an air pistol and got a silver medal. and i just think that, you know what? we need

more people like that in in our lives. he came in, he had that whole aura of, i'm just passing through. i'll just do this in my spare time. and then he wandered off and he was looking through his history. he is, been in the forces over in turkey, but he has also been in every single olympic games since 2008. but for me, he is the star of the 2024 olympics in paris. >> i wish i was that cool. >> i wish i was that cool. >> i wish i was that cool. >> i also think that you raised a really interesting point . i a really interesting point. i think what the olympic does or should do for our children is inspire them into sport. my son wanted to play ice hockey when he watched the winter olympics, and he ended up playing for hanngey and he ended up playing for haringey as a result. he then wanted to high dive when he saw the summer olympics, and he ended up high diving for the local barnet club. and so i think it should actually inspire children and we should be able to encourage them to look at it. we need to get rid of all the satanic porn, opening ceremonies and all to do that without corrupting their minds before it starts. >> all right, let's crack on with benjamin. >> well, i was missing from the

show last week, which i think explains its unusually high ratings. i was in kosovo at something called the sunny hill festival, which dua lipa, the british kosovan singer, her family run. that and i've been to kosovo a couple of times, but i was struck by several occasions where there you go, you see stormzy, the british singer who was draped in the kosovan flag while he was there, and i was really moved because quite a few times during my time at the sunny hill festival, people came up to me when they learnt i was british and they still wanted to say thank you for what we did as a country and with nato in the 1990s, there was someone who turned out to be a radio newsreader who just came up to me , having heard me at my up to me, having heard me at my british accent and said, you need to know that how grateful we are that we have our families and our country because of what you did. and it struck me because two weeks ago on this program, we were discussing ukraine with a trump supporter who said, oh, i'm not sure we should spend all the money. and it's definitely a live debate. and for me, going to a place like kosovo and hearing those people 20 years, 25 years after

we intervened, saying thank you, we intervened, saying thank you, we have so much respect for the british, for what you did. i think seeing what's going on in the world right now, it was really pertinent and it made me really pertinent and it made me really proud to be british. >> shame, isn't it, that we don't talk more often about the kind of positive things that that britain has even done in recent history? >> yeah, absolutely. i mean, we do have our part to play in heaung do have our part to play in healing a situation overseas. and i think that that is one thing that we aren't very good at highlighting amongst our own population. it's the same with certain amounts of foreign aid. there's always an argument over foreign aid that it goes to the wrong things, but it can be used for good. and i've seen some really good schemes. in central africa for women and girls and education and female health, and that's really important. but unfortunately it falls into that same category, is that we don't talk about it enough. we don't realise the impact it has sort of bust the myth, doesn't it, that, you know, the only harm that, you know, the only harm that not just britain but the

west does around the world is malign? >> exactly. >> exactly. >> and, you know, i mean, they really love britain in america . really love britain in america. they have a statue of bill clinton in the city centre. they have a shop called hillary that only sells pantsuits. inspired by hillary clinton. it's a real thing, one, i didn't they they didn't have one large enough for me. but, and then they just squeezed into it just for the show. there are men in kosovo and also in sierra leone, in fact, called tony blair, as in tony blair, but as a first name. and a couple of weeks ago, they unveiled a statue of tony blair and a load of tony bleus were there to meet tony blair. i think it's quite extraordinary. >> there's going to be benji bucks. >> i think that's a fabulous idea. >> i think it is , >> i think it is, >> i think it is, >> but you know, you know, whether we should intervene in countries is a big question in recent years. and it just struck me that, you know, there is a legacy there. there are people alive. there are families together. there is a safe, stable country because britain made a decision. and i think we should remember that. >> right. well, i might go on houday >> right. well, i might go on holiday to kosovo, but still ahead we will answer all of your

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welcome back to saturday five. as always, thanks for all of your emails and messages on tonight's topics. speaking of which, it's time for this . so speaking of which, it's time for this. so let's speaking of which, it's time for this . so let's see what you've this. so let's see what you've got for us this week. this is from kathleen. she says hi everyone. all i see on my feeds at the moment is people wanting to be a tradwife. surely the saturday five girls have no truck with this. well actually. >> i'm sure. let's see what renee thinks before i get back. >> actually think it's not a bad idea. >> you surprised me. i think having been to a lecture where i listened to mary harrington , you listened to mary harrington, you know where that was. i think that there's a big role to be had for women that stay at home,

look after their children, look after their husband who goes out and works and makes the money. i don't think we should sneer at that, and i think it should be supported, if that's what women want to do. >> yeah, i mean, i also i've quite a sort of nuanced view on this. i very supportive of people having traditional gender roles. i don't see any problem with that. i think there's a reason why these tried and tested traditions have lasted over so much time . but i do over so much time. but i do think that, that the kind of, trad wifery that is very, very sort of binary and ideological. yeah, is not actually traditional. i would support a more traditional, version of that proper relationship between a man and a woman. >> no, no, no no. incomplete. completely disagree with the pair of you on that. i just it's one of those i get really quite cross when everybody says, oh yeah, but it's a traditional roles. well well look, let's rip that up. if women want to do it, fine. i'm not going to wade in on everybody's choices. >> no one's saying you have to get when you when you watch and

read a lot about the ballerina farm, which i think is probably where we're going with all of this, i discovered that this week feel as if she is that happy. >> it doesn't feel as if it's that's what she wants out of her life. and i think women are too important to just be pushed to one side and given a job like that to do when they don't want to do right. >> the men don't get to have an opinion on this. so only because of time. this is from daniel. he says, hi gang, my flatmate got us a new cat. oh, i love cats. i said nothing thinking the landlord would refuse, but he's only gone and approved it. how do i get rid of the thing now? give it to me. >> i'll take no. you're. your flatmate needs to get rid of you cats. actually used to be worshipped as gods. and that was the right thing. >> yeah, i love cats. keep. keep the cat . it's >> yeah, i love cats. keep. keep the cat. it's amazing. i had two young cats when i was. well, pretty much when i was born, there were twins. and the day they died , there were 19 and one they died, there were 19 and one died a few months afterwards from a broken heart. i suspect it's the saddest i've ever been in my life . so keep the cats. in my life. so keep the cats. they're lovely creature. >> all right. very quick. final question. we'll make sure that

benjamin gets a chance on this . benjamin gets a chance on this. hi. fab five. it's sometimes gets quite heated between you lot. do you think. do you go for a friendly drink afterwards or just benjamin, just go off in a huff? well, maybe if i don't give him a chance to answer this. >> well, in preparation for this show, claire pearsall said that sheisnt show, claire pearsall said that she isn't sure about any of the tory leaders being very likeable. and i said yes. it's just like that on five the saturday to prepare her for the first show. no. do you know what? we all get along, regardless pretty much of who's on the panel. and i think that's so important because we live in a day and age where, especially if you open the internet, everyone just argues and hates each other because of a particular opinion. >> we're going to have to finish them. so sorry. thanks everyone. i can't stand you on a debut appearance. and next up it's the brilliant leo kearse with saturday night showdown. thanks for watching. we'll see you again next week . again next week. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers sponsors of weather on gb news. >> hello there. welcome to your

latest gb news weather from the met office. it turns increasingly unsettled over the next 24 hours or so, particularly across the north—west of the uk. and that's down to an area of low pressure. just sat to the north—west, bringing outbreaks of rain, stronger winds, the rain turning increasingly heavy by monday across western scotland. the met office warning out there could be some local disruption. a fairly quiet end to saturday and into the early hours of sunday, though cloud does thicken across parts of northern ireland. western scotland later, with some patchy outbreaks of rain here, but for most it will be dry. temperatures are largely staying in double figures , but a staying in double figures, but a bit more comfortable for sleeping compared to recent nights. so sunday morning cloudy picture across western scotland. first thing outbreaks of rain here but brighter towards the northeast. the northern isles as well seeing plenty of morning sunshine. the cloud extends across parts of northern ireland, western parts of northern england too, with outbreaks of rain there largely

light in nature, drier further south and east across the rest of england and wales. south and east across the rest of england and wales . just of england and wales. just perhaps 1 or 2 light showers, some hazy sunshine in places too. and as we head through the day on sunday, we'll see further areas of cloud and rain pushing north eastwards across parts of northern ireland, scotland, perhaps northern england. too much of the rest of england and wales largely staying dry. but there will be quite a lot of cloud around perhaps 1 or 2 showers. best of the sunshine across southern and southeastern areas, temperatures here reaching around 23 or 24 cooler further north and west you go 16 or 17 with breezy conditions across western scotland on monday, we can see heavy rain across northern ireland, scotland, some local disruption possible due to that heavy rain through the day, with the met office warning out until around 9 pm. drier further south and east. temperatures are reaching around 26 or 27, so feeling a little warmer, then cooler and more unsettled later in the week . more unsettled later in the week. >> looks like things are heating

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>> hello there! coming up on the saturday night showdown, keir starmer took the knee for blm, but he's much less keen on the disorder that followed the tragic events of this week. obviously, all rioting is bad, but why is two tier keir only cracking down on rioters when he doesn't need to worry about community cohesion ? and is the community cohesion? and is the media also displaying astonishing bias? this week, the headunes astonishing bias? this week, the headlines have been screaming about criminal thuggery and far right bigots. it's a far cry from the soft touch they took with blm and the unrest in harehills and rochdale recently, and the left have managed to do what four decades of peace talks couldn't have. united british and irish nationalists union jacks and irish tricolours were

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