i'll be on with these riots. i'll be giving my fearless and unapologetic verdict in a moment. you won't want to miss it. in the big story, amid accusations of two tier policing, are britain's police officers now politically biased picking and choosing how they enforce the law.7 i'll be asking a retired top cop it might take a retired top cop it might take a ten. harry and meghan will not come to the uk because it's too dangerous. instead, they're off to crime ridden colombia murder capital of the world. i'll be deaung capital of the world. i'll be dealing with the duke and duchess of double standards in no uncertain terms in my take at ten. so it is the last mark dolan tonight until september. i'm going to miss you massively over august. we've got a lot to get through over the next two hours, and tonight it is big opinion,

it's big debate. and you know something entertainment as well because it's been a hard old year hasn't it. and we could do with a smile. so lots to get through your perfect mix on a sunday night. let's start with your perfect newsreader. who could that be.7 ray your perfect newsreader. who could that be? ray addison some of the others , no. tatiana of the others, no. tatiana sanchez. >> mark, thank you very much. and good evening. the top stories this hour. a fourth man has been charged with committing violent disorder in liverpool city centre. yesterday, the prime minister earlier vowed rioters would regret taking part in what he called far right thuggery after a fifth day of violence in england as the government also announced emergency security for mosques amid the threat of further disorder. it comes as anti—immigration demonstrators attacked police officers and smashed the windows of a hotel in rotherham, south yorkshire police have said. one person has been arrested on suspicion of pubuc been arrested on suspicion of public order offences there.

they say ten officers were injured. police have warned further violence was likely following protests in england and in northern ireland. over 100 people were arrested yesterday. it comes after three little girls were killed in a knife attack at a dance club in southport, almost a week ago. sir keir starmer says those causing violent trouble will face convictions . face convictions. >> i won't shy away from calling it what it is far right thuggery to those who feel targeted because of the colour of your skin or your faith , i know how skin or your faith, i know how frightening this must be. i want you to know that this violent mob do not represent our country, and we will bring them to justice. >> nine people have been arrested in middlesbrough as cars were set alight and missiles thrown at police. large scuffles have broken out between police and anti—immigration

protesters there today . the protesters there today. the unrest spread during a protest which started at the town's cenotaph this afternoon. groups pushed burning wheelie bins at a line of police officers and a car was set alight on parliament road. car was set alight on parliament road . the police service in road. the police service in northern ireland says those involved in violence, which erupted following anti—immigration protests in belfast, will be dealt with using the full force of the law. it's after a supermarket owner in belfast says his business has been reduced to ashes after it was targeted during the disorder. northern ireland's first minister, michelle o'neill, says those involved in violence on the streets of belfast should be quickly brought before the courts. this morning a clean up operation was underway in the donegall road area following last night's unrest . now away from the unrest. now away from the protests, prince harry and his wife meghan markle have been discussing online safety with broadcasters in the united states . states. >> i think one of the scariest things that we've learned over

the course of the last 15, 17 years of social media has been around, and more so recently is the fact that it could happen to absolutely anybody. i mean, we always talk about in the olden days, if your kids were under your roof, you knew what they were up to. at least they were safe, right? and now they can be in the next door room on a tablet or on a phone, and can be going down these rabbit holes. and before you know it, within 24 hours they could be taking their life . their life. >> and those are the latest gb news headlines for now. and now it is back to one of my favourite presenters, mark dolan . favourite presenters, mark dolan. >> for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code, or go to gbnews.com forward slash alerts . forward slash alerts. >> good evening. what is this job? what am i here to do? well,

it's pretty simple for me. really i'm looking for the truth in media. that's the only currency of any real value. and the pursuit of the truth doesn't go in straight lines. sometimes you take one step forward and two back. but we now inhabit a world where the truth will get you cancelled and where narratives and ideology have replaced reality. for example , replaced reality. for example, women and women now disagree with that . shut up bigot. we with that. shut up bigot. we live in a world where the truth is twisted and warped to fulfil a political agenda. for example , a political agenda. for example, the demonisation of the west and the demonisation of the west and the characterisation of this country as some kind of evil, post—colonial regime. even though, in spite of this week's troubles, we boast arguably the most successful, diverse society on earth. but even poor old winston churchill gets a kicking

in the papers today , a council in the papers today, a council in the papers today, a council in hertfordshire has decided that a portrait of our greatest ever britain will hang alongside a lengthy and apologetic explanation of his links to racism , slavery and colonialism. racism, slavery and colonialism. now this is the man who defeated the greatest racist in history, adolf hitler. but now he's the bad guy. make it make sense . as bad guy. make it make sense. as the son of irish immigrants myself, i won't apologise for this country. in fact, i will invite the world to thank us for everything the rule of law, parliamentary democracy, free markets , the industrial markets, the industrial revolution, the commonwealth, a historic legacy of investment in some of the poorest and most depnved some of the poorest and most deprived nations on earth. we can be thanked for shakespeare, the beatles, jk rowling and yes, my favourite sir elton john. you can thank us for international

diplomacy, entrepreneurial ism, creativity and art and the small matter of our expensive and bloody efforts to end slavery. and you know, something ? you can and you know, something? you can thank us for too , brexit which thank us for too, brexit which was one in the eye to the grim dystopian project of globalism . dystopian project of globalism. but this week, our country has been torn apart by civil disorder , which i condemn disorder, which i condemn unreservedly. how dare violent, racist thugs attack our cops and wreak havoc in southport with an absurd assault on a mosque whilst a community mourns ? but whilst a community mourns? but to move forward, we need a frank national conversation and we need the truth. so from my analysis, what appears to have happenedin analysis, what appears to have happened in the aftermath of the horrific murder of three little girls in southport is a mixture of far right fascists who simply

hate foreigners and want to return to the 1950s, messaging each other to meet up on telegram, possibly fuelled by russian disinformation and lies on social media. but you also have decent, ordinary people of all races, backgrounds and religions simply unhappy with a dangerously open borders policy which is changing the country before their very eyes. which takes me to sir keir starmer's speech in the aftermath of the riots, predictably taking the path of least resistance by focusing his response on the far right as though that were the only issue at play here. i would expect nothing less from a man i have always considered to be a shallow, preening opportunist . shallow, preening opportunist. this is a man who takes the knee to the latest woke cause and is so predictable in his vacuous, empty pronouncements he may

actually be our first ai prime minister, a human manifestation of chatgpt software gone wrong. we got a sound bite , didn't we? we got a sound bite, didn't we? and a pink light show at number 10, which changes nothing, and a partisan blame game which made anyone concerned about eye—watering levels of legal and illegal immigration feel like they'd been labelled far right from a man who rails against the forces of division. his statement itself was divisive and noticeably lacking in nuance, creating anger among normal folk worried about the arrival on our shores on a daily bafis arrival on our shores on a daily basis of people whose backgrounds we do not know, people trying to fathom the economic and social cost of accommodating these people in our previously stable society . our previously stable society. is it far right to be concerned about the impact of 700,000 people? a year legally entering the country on social cohesion,

not to mention the impact on our creaking infrastructure, housing availability, the welfare bill and the nhs in politics. the greatest weapon is mockery and thousands of normal people have been mocking starmer for this far right label. for example, this hilarious tweet from political commentator amy gallagher posing at a garden window reading an intellectual book. and the tweet reads. according to keir starmer, apparently i'm a far right thug . apparently i'm a far right thug. how about this one from historian and broadcaster , a historian and broadcaster, a good friend of mine rafe heydel—mankoo. according to starmer, i'm a far right thug in world war two, my relatives were murdered by both the nazis and communists . my father is sikh, communists. my father is sikh, my late mother was polish . my my late mother was polish. my family came to britain in 1940 as part of the polish government in exile . i love britain, there in exile. i love britain, there are loads of these, donna says. i'm a mum of two beautiful mixed race girls . their safety and

race girls. their safety and their rights are paramount to me and according to keir starmer, that makes me a far right thug. we need our leaders to engage with the complex issues facing britain to tackle disgusting violence. absolutely. but to listen to the country, to sir keir starmer is the leader of the united kingdom. but presides over a country more disunited than ever. his divisive rhetoric will make things worse and come back to bite him . starmer will back to bite him. starmer will get his karma. back to bite him. starmer will get his karma . okay folks, your get his karma. okay folks, your reaction please gbnews.com/yoursay. but first, tonight's top pundits. we have jo—anne nadler, who is a political commentator , former political commentator, former labour special adviser, a man with the inside track of the labour party, paul richards and

broadcaster, author and campaigner. the one and only chris wild. good to see all three of you. how are you tonight on this rather balmy sunday evening? jo—anne nadler, i don't think that the prime minister has brought the country together this week. what's your thought? >> well, i think he's absolutely right to call out violence and thuggery and we've seen a lot of violence and thuggery this week. and that's extremely distressing given what how the week started with that app . absolutely, with that app. absolutely, incomprehensibly awful attack in southport and a lot of it. >> absolutely. the architects of whom the far right agitators hooking up on, you know, social media based on disinformation, very much driving this trouble. >> and i would agree with that. that element of your of your monologue where i think i take issue slightly is with your characterisation of keir starmer, because you seem to be suggesting that he's a bit of an empty vessel and that actually he moves with the wind and we

don't really know what his agenda is, whereas i actually think what we're seeing here is somebody who's had a very distinct agenda, and it's really about recreating britain in the image of human rights lawyers , image of human rights lawyers, and this has been something that's been on the move since blair, but actually, he's taking it much further than blair. and i think that goes to the heart of some of the conversation that we need to have now in the aftermath of all of this. what is actually happening to britain? is it the accountable , britain? is it the accountable, democratic place that we had hopedit democratic place that we had hoped it was? are changes being made to our constitution, which will mean that people don't feel that they're engaged with the political system and that an election doesn't really make an appreciable difference to them, and i think that we do ourselves and i think that we do ourselves a disservice if we think that starmer is an empty vessel. i think he's got a very radical agenda, and i think we're beginning to see it play out,

although, you know, it hasn't, you know, a lot of the issues that we've raised in this big opinion about illegal immigration and also massive legal net migration, that's all happened on on the watch of the tories for 14 years. >> so absolutely hardly imagine that this was all keir starmer's idea or plan. can we? >> no, but he's very much an advocate for that. he's not looking to change that in any way. he's he's more of a of a of a cheerleader for that kind of set of policies. i think it's almost like the tories. have completely mishandled all of this, and they shouldn't be excluded from scrutiny for all of that. and in fact, they haven't been excluded from scrutiny. they've lost the election. but i do think that a lot of people voted against the conservatives, and they will have found themselves partly because of the, complication of reform taking a lot of votes. they will have found themselves with a government that's going to take them far further and faster down that same route. >> well, there you go, paul richards. >> this is going to get worse under labour, suggest jo—anne nadler. what's your view? >> i think starmer is the right

man in the right place at the right time. >> i mean, he's shown how tough he is when he was the dpp, when the last set of riots ten or so years ago took place, and he made sure that the perpetrators were swiftly dealt with and banged up where appropriate. he said exactly the same now and i think if the courts have to meet through the night, if after, you know, they have to come back off their holidays to get these people through, then good. we need we need them locking up. >> i agree, i think keir starmer is the perfect prime minister to lock up hard right agitators who have broken the law attack cops who are trying to do their job. he is perfect for that. >> but you're trying to link these two things through immigration. they're not the same thing. >> so he is the right person to do that. >> he's a former top lawyer, and i think that it's brilliant to have 24 hour courts. and i would like to see every one of those far right thugs that hurt a police officer banged up, throw away the key as far as i'm concerned. so starmer's got my support, but he's got a wider remit. he's the prime minister now and he needs to bring the country together. and he does that by listening to all of his voters and everyone in this country. a large proportion of whom are concerned about our changing society .

whom are concerned about our changing society. no acknowledgement of that in his rhetoric so far. >> but the immediate threat in front of us is people who are burning down libraries, who are throwing firebombs at the police and as our prime minister, he speaks for all of us in that saying, stop the violence and bang them up . and that's when bang them up. and that's when you say he's disuniting, i disagree. i think he is uniting the decent majority who are appalled by that. >> viewers and listeners who feel labelled far right by keir starmer for being concerned about the illegal migrant crossings, which are a national security, economic and humanitarian disaster. >> i think you're having a laugh if you think the people rioting are doing it as some sort of response to a public policy issue, they are coked up, they are boozed up, they're being subject to they're being radicalised by russian misinformation. as you yourself pointed out. and now they're having a bit of a jolly throwing firebombs. and they need to be arrested who are concerned about these issues feel labelled far right because of a lack of nuance from starmer. well, i think it's not a time for nuance. it's a time for a tough response with putting more police on the streets. >> i do hear what you're saying, as it was after half of this,

i'm with starmer all the way, and that's the lawyer, starmer and, you know, ending civil disobedience and protecting our cops. yeah but a local police chief in the isle of wight put out a tweet, which she then deleted, assumably, presumably because she got abuse for it, in which she said that the prime minister needs to address big concerns in our society among millions of people about, you know, a changing britain, that they didn't vote for. >> yeah. and you know what it is, i think there's a great unrest across the country as well. and i think we're not talking about that. and i think this comes this has been brewing. and i agree with a lot of what you said there that there's a great unrest. there's most of these far right rioters, these thuggery. they're they're rebels without a clue. they don't know why they're doing this. and that's where there's a dichotomy where people like myself, if i have a view, if i have an opinion on this, you know, i'm scared to say anything in case i am branded far right. but that's why we've got to have that dichotomy . these people, that dichotomy. these people, they're not politicians, they're folks. they're people who are hijacking people's traumas and

they're using it. they're using it. and there's certain politicians fanning the flames as well. i think what we need to do is it's not a time to start calling, calling people out. it's a time for unity. it's a time to get together and look at and get behind keir starmer as well. who would want this job right now? who would want this job, don't you think? >> don't you think that he should have acknowledged public concerns about legal and illegal immigration, which are the issues that underpin these protests? >> mark people's concerns , not >> mark people's concerns, not even a syllable about it. but there is there is mark. and i think he didn't say that. well, i think he he he knows it. he it's a big job, mark. and i don't think we can just call it out and say, but he's not looking into it. >> well, that's an immediate problem to deal with isn't there. which is the is it 90,000 or so, illegal migrants that may very well be about to be granted some kind of . some kind of. >> but what's that got to do with smashing up a library? >> well, i burning books. no, i absolutely agree with you, paul, that these things should not be crudely conflated. however, as

we move beyond the initial criminal justice process here, there is a political discussion that needs to be had. and we saw a lot of people out on the streets who haven't been throwing bricks. >> well, indeed. >> well, indeed. >> and also see people who are frustrated. >> he spoke with with great eloquence, the prime minister in this most recent, statement from number 10 that if you feel targeted because of your religion, then i'm going to come down on you like a ton of bricks. that's reprehensible. he didn't make such remarks during those weekly peace marches for gaza in which anti—jewish hatred was widely on show. i mean, no such rhetoric from starmer then. jews were targeted every weekend for six months. >> and you and i have discussed that. and, you know, we had our views, didn't we, that that was that the condemnation, but that that the condemnation, but that that was unacceptable to where people couldn't walk down their own high streets. i said that on this program then now. well, he's the he's the prime minister now and he is speaking on behalf of the whole he's he's talking on behalf of the people with the brooms who are out the next day

sweeping up the rubbish. those are the people. yeah. those are the people he speaks for. >> okay, well, look, it's a fascinating conversation. >> last words. >> last words. >> no, i was going to say on that point about the about the marches through london. the point is that parts of the labour party have paid obedience to certain sectarian interests. and this is part of the problem that we're now seeing. there is a sense of unfairness. there is a sense of unfairness. there is a sense of unfairness. there is a sense that communities are not being dealt with in the same way. >> okay. fascinating. look, it's going to be in the papers . we going to be in the papers. we will return to this. i think you'll agree. a balanced debate. my you'll agree. a balanced debate. my pundits don't agree with each other, which is the point of this show. it is the last mark dolan tonight until september. so i'm really looking forward to the next hour and 40 minutes. so much to get through. harry and meghan, the duke and duchess of double standards. a very special take at ten. you won't want to miss it. but next up in the big story, amid accusations of two tier policing, are britain's police officers now politically biased, picking and choosing how they enforce the law? i'll be asking a retired top cop

next. i'll get your messages. get to your messages shortly. but it's time now for the big story. your messages shortly. but it's time now for the big story . and time now for the big story. and let's get the latest in what is feared by some to be the prospect of a summer of political violence following riots in southport and beyond. to discuss this, i'm delighted

to welcome retired police officer of 25 years turned author robert sol. let me tell you about robert's book. it is out now. have we got a still of that one? let's have a look. it's called barking mad. the true story of a former serious organised crime agency detective who went mad in spectacular fashion after 17 years undercover, but survived and came out the other side dancing, barking mad by robert sol, former top cop. he joins me now. robert, lovely to see you . robert, lovely to see you. >> nice to meet you as well. >> nice to meet you as well. >> mark, welcome to the studio. thank you. did you come in the electric car again? >> i didn't i never will, never know because that basically kind of ran out of steam halfway down the m1. the terrible thing was it was the a3 northbound out of portsmouth , the arterial route. portsmouth, the arterial route. and you can't buy electric, right. >> but you see, ed miliband wants us all in electric cars. what's your answer? >> well, they're gonna have to dump it up pretty quickly because the charging points i did find when i got to guildford charge at seven kilowatts an houn charge at seven kilowatts an hour, that means two hours to charge a car. i was third in the

queue. that's six hours at the charging point. no, it's never going to work. not charging point. no, it's never going to work . not without the going to work. not without the infrastructure being ten times, 50 times better. >> my catch phrase on the show make it make sense. yes absolutely. yeah. listen, delighted to have you here with us. let's talk about these riots. first of all, it's very clear that that a lot of the trouble has been driven by these far right agitators. >> right. i would disagree with that. >> okay. >> okay. >> go on. because i was going to ask you how big a problem is. the far right in this country, >> well, i never really came across the far right was in the police, but there were some football hooligans. and whenever there's a riot in any shape or a protest in any shape form, you always get the guys who go there looking for a fight. yeah. >> so they're thugs. >> so they're thugs. >> they are. absolutely. if you go looking for a fight, you're a thug. but most people are up to their ears with the immigration, you know? and it's not a labour problem. it's a political problem. it's a political problem. if that young lad had killed those three kids the month before , rishi sunak would month before, rishi sunak would have been getting the bullet for it. and i've never been political. i've never voted in my life. i've never trusted any

of them. because if you if you have a group of dishonest people at the top of your food chain, how do you expect the people below to behave? right? and they're dishonest. >> so you would say for example, david cameron's government when they said, we'll get immigration down to the tens of thousands last year, 700,000, same government. yeah. >> and all they do is they use smoke and mirrors. and i'll take you back to when i joined in 1984, my first encounter, 1986, with illegal immigration, stopped four guys in the car because they were driving lawfully, pulled them out. no id, no passports, no driver's license, no documents. took them to hammersmith police station. i was on my own. booked them in, rang immigration. what's the score? well, i've got these four guys. what? they're saying their names are. gave them the names. oh, yeah, they're definitely illegal. i said what we're going to do, immigration said we'll put them in a taxi, which we'll pay put them in a taxi, which we'll pay for to a bail hostel in lewisham. oh, what a bail bail hostel in lewisham. all right. so bail him out of the bail hostel. elucidation bail hostel in lewisham. give them conditional bail to go there. no problem. cut taxi driver rang me back at the station. they ran

away when i pulled up. extraordinary. so that's 84. and since then we've had decades of that. we've had 40 years of it. yeah. and when i joined the police in 84, there were already small ghettos and places where the police were frightened to go , the police were frightened to go, like stoke newington, hackney, peckham , brixton. police were peckham, brixton. police were frightened to go there unless they were mob handed and of course can't be right. >> this is replicated in the north of england, the midlands. >> it's replicated everywhere how. >> now. >> but but you can't surely push back on this idea that what we saw in in southport on tuesday wasn't, you know, a lot of racist , angry wasn't, you know, a lot of racist, angry men looking for trouble who just hate foreigners and want to go back to the 19505. 1950s. >> i mean, you 19505. >> i mean, you could say far right, you could just call them racist thugs, but is the prime minister not right to focus on that or to identify that? >> no, i think he needs to get the bigger picture going because so, so many people i talk to every day in all walks of life, in different parts of the country, they've had enough. they don't want their country taken over. and i don't mean that in a horrible way. if

they've come over here by the right roots and they speak the right roots and they speak the right language and they get the right language and they get the right jobs and they contribute to society, absolutely fine. but that's not the case. there's a lot like lads roaming in every city in the uk because we travel with my partner, every city. it'5 with my partner, every city. it's frightening. there's tension, you can feel it in the air. birmingham, you can feel the tension, the bullring, you can feel the tension, you can feel the tension up north. and i'm a northerner. >> well, the former top cop just a few months ago, writing in the telegraph, pointed out that we had several years of albanians coming into the country illegally. even though albania is not a war torn country, it's probably more peaceful than the isle of wight. probably more peaceful than the isle of wight . and the germans isle of wight. and the germans have been refusing albanians for years now. but we, you know, we're soft touch on that one. yeah. my understanding from this article by a former top cop writing in the telegraph is that most of the drug gangs in this country are now controlled by albanians. >> absolutely. in fact, down where i live in portsmouth , where i live in portsmouth, there's a whatsapp number available to people and you can ring it. it's an albanian. i'll be with you in ten minutes for a gram of coke. and it's a

whatsapp group. >> yeah, you can give me his number later, but, i work in tv. old habits die hard, what about two tier policing? do we have that or is that unfair? slur on on 100%. >> right. and i've only been on social media now for the last six months because of my covert life, i shied away from putting my face in public. and i'm here now, today because i feel so desperate. things need doing. i didn't want to put myself up. there are contracts on my head to kill me. i've locked away some serious people in my time, but the country's got to change. the police have got to change. they've got to go back to being crime fighters, not revenue collectors . collectors. >> they did do the right thing on tuesday, didn't they? and they did the right thing two nights ago in sunderland, which is to crack down on violence. and, you know, police stations being burned down. right. are you happy with their actions of i'd like the police to be. >> this is when i joined the police and i used to deal with them the same. the police should deal with people the way the people are dealing with them, right? >> right. >> right. >> so there's an unmitigated amount of violence in london against people who've stood still. yeah. and they need to

balance. they need to be equal with them. if you're going to beat people because they're in a protest situation, then do that to every section of the community equally. yeah, equally as harsh. >> is there a political problem with keir starmer's approach to what happened this week? because he does seem to have focused quite a lot on the far right, and no acknowledgement of the simmering tensions within. >> he's detracting. he's using the far right as a reason not to deal with it. and the whole immigration thing, the whole migrant thing is a scam. we have been invaded by stealth. i'm an undercover , isn't it? undercover, isn't it? >> invaded a rather inflammatory term. well, you can say that. maybe. maybe offensive. robert i wouldn't i don't think it's offensive because it's factual. >> it's factual. if it's not right, if it's. it's wrong. >> if it's if someone enters the country, you know, fleeing for their lives or wanting to make a better life, could you really call that an invasion? >> no, but it's not. that is it? they've been through italy, germany, france, and then to the uk, and they're piled upon the french side, coming over and back in the 2005, i was a boat

captain as undercover for the police. yeah. and they asked me to hire a boat for £1,000 a day, go and pick up a load of illegal migrants in belgium. but we were deaung migrants in belgium. but we were dealing with the european government and the court of human rights and all that sort of stuff. and, when i was waiting for this, this authority to go and then the boss said , to go and then the boss said, oh, we've just had a direction from the european court, you can't go until, you've got some red life jackets for every passenger. and i said, sir, we don't criminals don't issue life jackets to passengers. and that's amply demonstrated. if you go if you went to the news footage for the rivals of italy, there's not a life jacket in sight. but for every boat coming across the channel, red life jackets, because health and safety of the european union won't allow them to board the boats. now, i'm not saying they're i'm not saying. >> but but what they could do is you say i mean, in a way it makes them complicit. >> but if they're putting a life jacket on someone that's about to break the law and enter

another country, then in some ways, in a court of law of court, what is it, a court of law? there would be some connection there. an accomplice. >> yeah, but the thing is, what you have to remember is over on the french side. we aren't allowed to operate without permission, as an undercover cop, i can't go over to the french. >> have jurisdiction. >> have jurisdiction. >> i'm not. i'm not allowed to operate without without permission. so i can't go over there and have a look at the migrant side. but the french undercover cops can, and that's not happening. the nca has been in existence since 2013. the premier detective agency in the world. allegedly, the results could be written about on a stamp with a pickaxe. as far as the channel is concerned. >> elegantly put. well, listen, we know you got away with words because your book is out now, james. let's have another look at this. it's got to be a best seller. i've got a huge audience. so let's shift a few copies, shall we, robert? barking mad, barking mad the true story of a former serious organised crime agency detective by robert sole is out now. robert. we'll have to get you back in the studio. we'll get you a tesla or something so you can reach. reach paddington in one piece. yes. my thanks to robert sole . next up, how does

robert sole. next up, how does the next tory leader solve a problem like nigel farage? see you in two.

got a very special take at ten. the last take at ten. until september . the last take at ten. until september. harry and meghan, the duke and duchess of double standards. but first, the competition to replace rishi sunak as tory party leader is hotting up. but which of the candidates is the best to take on the electoral threat of reform uk? and how does the next tory leader solve a problem like nigel farage? let's ask my top punst nigel farage? let's ask my top pundits jo—anne nadler paul richards and chris wild . richards and chris wild. >> chris. >> chris. >> yes, mark, what do you think about this ? because actually about this? because actually that's the biggest headache for the tories. he's not really sir keir starmer. he's going to be prime minister for the next five years. >> yes, it's one nigel farage because he's got 4 million votes in his back pocket . in his back pocket. >> he's a massive threat. and not just a threat. i use that

word cautiously. he's very popular. he's very popular with with, young voters who would normally vote, labour or conservative. and, you know , and conservative. and, you know, and conversations i've had recently people saying, well, why , why is people saying, well, why, why is he not the leader of the conservative party? and, and people are saying that's what's going to happen in five years. you're going to have someone like farage, the leader of the conservative party, reform and conservatives and not that much different, are they? i mean, i think they've got the same policies, they've got the same ideology. yeah. and i think, listen, i think you'll be a great leader for the conservatives, not my leader, but he might be a good leader. >> paul, you're shaking your headin >> paul, you're shaking your head in disgust. >> well, i don't think he is a conservative in the sort of traditional sense of that word. you know, i'm not one myself, as you know, mark, but i've always said free market strong. i think he's a sort of right wing populist, but i don't think he's part of the british conservative tradition. >> what would you say the difference is between right wing populist and conservative? >> what is it? well, i think conservatives have a sort of civic duty. i think there's a sort of noblesse oblige. there's a sense of there is a society

there needs to be managed in a way. and it's, you know, it's a tradition within british politics, not one that i agree with necessarily. >> not, you say, but not not extreme either. >> not extreme, not extreme. and, you know , and historically centrist. >> so jo—anne nadler chris has given us a story here. isn't the elephant in the room that the leader of the tories need is the leader of the tories need is the leader of the tories need is the leader of another party already, nigel farage? >> no, i don't think that's the case at all. i mean , i certainly case at all. i mean, i certainly don't think that the conservatives should should disparage nigel farage, in general, there may be moments that he needs to he needs to be disparaged and disagreed with, but i don't think disparaged foraged. yeah quite, quite. i mean, i mean, you know, many conservatives i'm not one of them, but many would say that there is an equal threat from there is an equal threat from the left flank, as it were, from the left flank, as it were, from the liberal democrats that you've had this, you've had this dilemma for conservatives whether they should face towards the blue wall or face towards the blue wall or face towards the red wall. and i think what

we're seeing with some of the leadership candidates is a desire to try and bring those two wings together, which seems to me to be actually a completely false errand , because completely false errand, because it's almost impossible to do it. i think whoever emerges as the leader has to have a clear policy agenda of their own, and if it means that they do lose some people from either end of the party, i think there's a certain inevitability about that. and it's been the failure to grasp that that's actually kept the conservatives mired in this kind of indefinite sort of fudge that they've been for in many recent years. >> john, you know, the tory party. >> well, briefly, if you can, who is the candidate of i think it's seven who have thrown their hats into the ring . who is the hats into the ring. who is the candidate? is it six who are the six can neutralise nigel farage? >> well, i think it's so much about neutralising him. i think it is about opposing where necessary. but being willing to take on some of the some of the causes that he's championed also

where necessary. >> but to me, those six are the most likely to do that. do you think so? >> i think without doubt, it's got to be kemi badenoch, because i think she has got a clear agenda, and i think she's been quite astute, actually, in saying that, she's distinct from farage, whereas some of the other candidates weren't quite sure to how pitch that. >> yeah, and it will be farage light, listen, we're going to discuss more of this in the papers with my top pundits. don't forget, we've got a very interesting take at ten coming up. harry and meghan will not come to the uk because it's too dangerous. instead, they're to off crime ridden colombia murder capital of the world. i'll be deaung capital of the world. i'll be dealing with the duke and duchess of double standards in no un centre. in certain times we might take a ten. but next up can gb team gb. that's right. not gb. news team gb have their best picks ever. i'll be asking my mark menzies guest, legendary ski jumper eddie the eagle. edwards he's waiting. he's got his goggles on. see

>> now the emails are coming in thick and fast. >> gbnews.com/yoursay michael, who is a gb news member, says mark kemi is bright and unafraid to take the fight to the woke. she is my favourite. yeah, i'm still ruminating on who i think the best candidate would be, but she's certainly in the top two in my mind. in september i will declare. but not until then, alan says nigel farage understands and given the chance he will solve the problem. also, adrian is not happy about the people that enter the country illegally. he says they've come from a safe country , france. from a safe country, france. they've invaded us in their thousands. they've invaded us in their thousands . no women and no thousands. no women and no children. what is going on, listen. fascinating stuff. a lot of you enjoyed the interview with former cop robert sole as well, watching mark dolan. he's a retired police officer on says leslie robert sole. how refreshing to hear a man who

understands the current situation . okay, harry and situation. okay, harry and meghan at ten. but first mark meets . meets. >> and tonight, olympic legend eddie the eagle edwards. >> now in 1988, eddie became the first competitor to represent great britain in olympic ski jumping, finishing last. his life story was a movie in 2016 starring taron egerton . that starring taron egerton. that movie was called eddie the eagle. i caught up with him earlier to ask him about his life. eddie, who first introduced you to a pair of skis , introduced you to a pair of skis, >> actually, it was my school sports teacher. he was very keen skier, and he used to organise skier, and he used to organise ski trips for the school, and he ianed ski trips for the school, and he invited me along when i was in the third year, and that was it. my life changed completely , my life changed completely, >> listen, you are world famous as a ski jumper. can you tell me about your emotions and what is

going through your head as you fly through the air, >> well, it depends on whether the jump is going well or going badly. it's either the most exciting thing you've ever done in your life, or it's the most terrifying thing you've ever donein terrifying thing you've ever done in your life. it just depends what happened to that takeoff. but that's what i love about the sport. it's very unpredictable. the wind can do lots of silly things and play tncks lots of silly things and play tricks on your mind , and, but tricks on your mind, and, but it's the most amazing, tricks on your mind, and, but it's the most amazing , exciting it's the most amazing, exciting sport that i've ever done. and i still love doing it to this day . still love doing it to this day. >> well, you were and are a very talented athlete. you've done great things in the sport, so clearly you've got the physical prowess. but is your mental makeup different to the rest of us as well? are you naturally fearless , fearless, >> no. i'm not naturally fearless, i'm actually quite nervous, just like everybody else. i just use my nervousness , else. i just use my nervousness, my fear in a in a different way,

and i use it to, you know, i focus more, i concentrate more because i don't want to hurt myself. i certainly don't want to kill myself, i just focus and do what i'm told to the letter , do what i'm told to the letter, and then i know i'll be safe, but. and i'm always. i'm always stretching. i'm always pushing the boundaries. so, you know, if i jump 50m, i the boundaries. so, you know, if ijump 50m, i want the boundaries. so, you know, if i jump 50m, i want to jump 55. if i jump 55, i want to jump 60. so i'm constantly pushing and trying to be better and longer and faster and stronger. and that's, that's what i love. >> tell me about that first olympics in which you participated. did you feel the weight on your shoulders, given that a whole nation was watching? >> yes. i mean, it was it was a dream. come true to get to calgary in 1988. absolutely amazing . and i loved being amazing. and i loved being there. i loved representing great britain in ski jumping, and i was hoping to go on to further olympics and become a much bigger and better ski jumper. unfortunately, that wasn't to be, but to jump there at calgary was just a dream come true. and even though it

happened over 36 years ago, i can remember it like it was yesterday , yesterday, >> well, listen, you were a heroic figure at those olympics, >> but some people like to kind of look at your achievements in a kind of humorous way. did you ever feel that you were mocked or, possibly just sort of underestimated for your great skill , skill, >> yes. i was always mocked. you know, ever since i put on a pair of skis. really? i was mocked all the way through, but it didn't matter. i laughed with them, you know, i just did the best i could with what i had. and, you know, if it put a smile on people's faces, that was great. and, you know, underneath all that , underneath, you know, all that, underneath, you know, my, my, my dream was to carry on and be the best skier and then the best ski jumper that i could be. and you know, it didn't really matter if people mocked me. i just laughed with them and carried on. that's the best way, i think, to deal with it. >> most definitely. and what about fame? how did you adapt to becoming such a well known

figure in the country ? figure in the country? >> it was, it was surprising, you know, jumping at calgary was wonderful, but becoming eddie the eagle and then travelling all over the world and becoming, you know, very, very popular, that was very strange. and i had to get used to it very quickly. it happened literally overnight. but i adapted very well. i loved meeting people . i met some very meeting people. i met some very interesting people. from film, television, music. royalty, government, all that kind of thing . and they were lovely. and thing. and they were lovely. and it's been great fun. i've had . it's been great fun. i've had. some amazing experiences travel all over the world, open shopping centres, golf courses, phone rides, did lots of weird and wonderful things. and, you know, it's been an absolutely amazing. >> ski jumping is not without its risk. have you ever faced major peril? have you ever risked your life on a pair of skis ? skis? >> i'm risking my life every day on a pair of skis, but with ski

jumping, it wasn't too bad. i did about 30,000 jumps. i fractured my skull twice. i broke my jaw in two places, smashed my collarbone in five places, broke three ribs, damaged my kidney damage my knee, but i've broken just about every bone in my body doing one thing or another. for me, there were just a little bit of inconvenience. it stopped me doing things i wanted to do for a couple of weeks. and then once i was healed, i was back out there carrying on. it never stopped me doing what i wanted to do . to do. >> i don't know whether maybe you should write a self—help book, eddie, because i think you could be very inspiring to a lot of us, ski jumping is terrifying. and you've had to come back, as you say , after, come back, as you say, after, you know, perilous falls. how do you know, perilous falls. how do you get on top of that fear ? how you get on top of that fear? how can fear be tackled? because it's something that all of us face in daily life . face in daily life. >> oh, yes. >> oh, yes. >> i mean, when you're standing at the top of the jump and you're getting ready to go, you could be 400ft up the top and you can see and feel a million

different reasons why you shouldn't really go down. but but you want to jump further than you've ever jumped before. and to do that, you've got to risk more than you've ever risked before. and to help overcome that , i found overcome that, i found visualisation techniques were very, very good so i could sit in a dark room or just sit in my in a dark room orjust sit in my kitchen at home, close my eyes and imagine myself going up to the top of the ski jump, putting my skis on, sliding it onto that bar , putting my skis in the bar, putting my skis in the tracks and off i go. and i could see and feel all. everything that i would see and feel coming down that jump and taking off and flying through the air. so visualisation really helps with your fear, you learn to, you know, to expect the unexpected and, and to face those fears and face those dangers and, and hopefully you calm down and you focus and hopefully everything will be okay. but visualisation is a very, very good technique . is a very, very good technique. >> what makes you want to still do these perilous ski jumps to this day?

>> i because it makes me feel alive and, i always like pushing the envelope . the envelope. >> even now i'm nearly 61, but i still want to go faster. i want to be better at things that i do. i still like my ski jumping. i still love my skiing , i still like my ski jumping. i still love my skiing, and i'm always up for doing anything and everything . and, that's what everything. and, that's what makes life worth living . i makes life worth living. i appreciate the times when i'm not doing those kind of things and leading a more normal life. but, once in a while, i just want to stretch my, my boundaries, my mental and physical boundaries and have some fun . some fun. >> there's not too many people that have had a movie made about them where their name is the title. tell me about that experience and being played by the very handsome taron egerton . the very handsome taron egerton. >> yes, >> yes, >> you know, when i went to calgary 36 years ago, having a movie made about about my life was not on my radar at all. and then of course, they made cool runnings, which was the same olympics about the jamaican

bobsled team. but to have a movie made was just incredible. taron played me so well. he he he sounded , he acted and he he sounded, he acted and he looked just like me . 36 years looked just like me. 36 years ago. he played me so well. and to have hugh jackman as my coach as well was amazing. and they did a wonderful job. i really, really loved the film. it still makes me laugh and cry now, they really captured the heart and spirit and essence of my story , spirit and essence of my story, and they did it in such a lovely way. and i still love watching the film to this day. i've seen it over 150 times and i love it. >> wow, eddie, the eagle edwards, you were a hero then and you are a hero today. >> thank you so much forjoining us on mark dolan tonight. >> thank you much. appreciate it. >> i love that man, eddie the eagle edwards in my take at ten. harry and meghan, duke and duchess of double standards . duchess of double standards. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers sponsors of weather on gb news

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get through. it's a very special show, because let me tell you that my amazing executive producer , james gibson, is producer, james gibson, is moving on. i'm going to miss him hugely because i've been here three years. he was my boss right from the start. he's an amazing guy, let me tell you that. he's funny, he's clever and a brilliant producer. why he's going to the bbc is anyone's guess. thank you, james, and good luck. stay in touch , buddy. okay. lots to get touch, buddy. okay. lots to get through. harry and meghan are going to get rinsed in the take ten. it's the last take at ten until september. don't miss it. get the kettle on. i'll see you after the headlines with tatiana sanchez. who's loyal and staying . here. >> mark. thank you very much. and good evening. the top stories this hour. merseyside police says six people have been charged after disorder in southport, liverpool city centre and walton in the past week. those arrested include a man charged with committing violent disorder in liverpool city centre after a group were seen

throwing stones, bricks and missiles at police yesterday. the prime minister earlier vowed rioters would regret taking part in what he called far right thuggery in england, as the government announced emergency security for mosques amid the threat of further disorder. earlier today, anti—immigration demonstrators attacked police and smashed the windows of a hotel in rotherham. one person has been arrested on suspicion of public order offences there. police say that ten officers were injured. over 100 people were injured. over 100 people were arrested yesterday. it comes after three little girls were killed in a knife attack at a dance club in southport almost a dance club in southport almost a week ago . sir keir starmer a week ago. sir keir starmer says those causing violent trouble will face convictions . trouble will face convictions. >> i won't shy away from calling it what it is far right thuggery to those who feel targeted because of the colour of your skin or your faith , i know how skin or your faith, i know how frightening this must be. i want

you to know that this violent mob do not represent our country, and we will bring them to justice. >> nine people have been arrested in middlesbrough as cars were set alight and missiles thrown at police. large scuffles broke out earlier between police and anti—immigration protesters . the anti—immigration protesters. the unrest spread during a protest which started at the town's cenotaph this afternoon. groups pushed burning wheelie bins at a line of police officers and a car was set alight on parliament road.the car was set alight on parliament road. the police service in northern ireland says those involved in violence, which erupted during anti—immigration protests in belfast, will be deau protests in belfast, will be dealt with using the full force of the law. it's after a supermarket owner in belfast says his business has been reduced to ashes after it was targeted during the disorder. northern ireland's first minister, michelle o'neill, says those involved in violence on the streets of belfast should be quickly brought before the courts . this

quickly brought before the courts. this morning a clean up operation was underway in the donegall road area following last night's unrest in the us . last night's unrest in the us. tropical storm debbie is expected to strengthen rapidly into a hurricane before making landfall in florida's big bend region, the national weather service says debbie will make landfall tomorrow morning, bringing hurricane conditions to the area. historic levels of rain up to 30m are expected in georgia and south carolina through to friday. preparing for debbie florida governor ron desantis called up 3000 national guard troops and placed most of florida's cities and counties under emergency orders . and under emergency orders. and sports . an emotional novak sports. an emotional novak djokovic produced a stunning display to defeat rival carlos alcaraz to win his first olympic gold medal and complete a career golden slam. djokovic's impressive career already featured a men's record 24 grand slam titles and the most weeks spent at number one in the rankings by any man or any

woman. today, he battled to a76, seven six win over the same man who just beat him in this year's wimbledon final . and those are wimbledon final. and those are the latest gb news headlines. for now, i'm tatiana sanchez. more from me in an hour for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code, or go to gbnews.com forward slash alerts . slash alerts. >> thank you. tatiana congratulations to novak djokovic for winning olympic gold . djokovic for winning olympic gold. imagine djokovic for winning olympic gold . imagine how djokovic for winning olympic gold. imagine how many djokovic for winning olympic gold . imagine how many more gold. imagine how many more medals he'd have won if he'd been vaccinated. welcome to mark dolan tonight. should the government put the army on the streets to keep law and order, i'll be asking former home office minister the formidable no nonsense ann widdecombe. plus, tomorrow's newspaper front pages and live reaction in the studio from tonight's top punst studio from tonight's top pundits this evening, studio from tonight's top

pundits this evening , political pundits this evening, political commentator jo—anne pundits this evening, political commentatorjo—anne nadler former labour special adviser paul richards and campaigner and author chris wild . a packed author chris wild. a packed houn author chris wild. a packed hour. those papers are coming. this is the last mark dolan tonight until september. i'm going to miss you hugely. so let's pack a lot in to the next 60 minutes. and we start with my take at ten. what is this fresh hell, harry and meghan are going to do another world tour, which includes a trip to meet locals includes a trip to meet locals in crime ridden colombia. may god help them have the people of colombia not suffered enough. what's scarier? the ruthless bosses of the drug cartels or harry and meghan's grinning faces as they pose for photos ? faces as they pose for photos? give me the man with gold teeth and tattoos all day long and whether we like it or not, to a great extent, harry and meghan still represent the united kingdom. a financial crash and

former prime ministers in two years isn't nearly as embarrassing for this country as this ungodly pair carting themselves around the world on our behalf like a posh thelma and louise . of course, if they and louise. of course, if they relinquished their titles , it relinquished their titles, it would be a private trip, but i can think of a few million reasons why they've decided to remain duke and duchess of sussex. meghan markle a few years ago, a struggling actress who wasn't even the best thing in suits, and prince harry, the world's least happy millionaire. well, they're both about to jump on a plane and export their own unique brand of self—pity to the good people of south america, some of whom live on a pound a day . but i'm some of whom live on a pound a day. but i'm sure they'd spare a pound or two to stop the flight. this is a couple who request privacy while doing tv interviews , podcasts and books interviews, podcasts and books about their innermost lives . about their innermost lives. they preach about global warming whilst darting around the world

in a private jet, and their double standards reached a new high. this week with the news that whilst harry is unwilling to bring his family to the uk for safety reasons, they will to fly colombia, which has one of the highest murder rates in the world, one positive about the colombia trip is that old harry, as a former self—confessed drug user , will be able to connect user, will be able to connect with a couple of his old suppliers. i'm sure mr big would welcome a royal visit, but who is harry to march around colombia? boring locals to tears about net zero phone hacking and his terrible life rattling around a 16 bathroom californian mansion ? he'll be in a country mansion? he'll be in a country where many don't even have an indoor loo at all. now, controversially, i actually share harry's concerns about the safety of him and his family, i really do. i think that he , really do. i think that he, meghan and the kids should have top level armed royal protection

wherever they go. for me, their safety is money. no object. i would pay more taxes to protect them. why because whilst harry has left the family and given up his royal duties, it was not his decision to be born. the son of the king. and look what happened to donald trump just a few weeks ago. but the sussexes can't have it both ways. they say they face dangerin it both ways. they say they face danger in the uk, but they've just come back from nigeria, which is about as safe as a road trip with stevie wonder. and now they're off to dangerous south america. well, this couple have been heading south for a while now. why don't they do us all a favour? jump on a plane and this time make it a one way ticket. the duke and duchess of double standards strike again. i'll get to your thoughts shortly . to your thoughts shortly. gbnews.com/yoursay. but first,

tonight's top pundits. political commentator jo—anne tonight's top pundits. political commentatorjo—anne nadler former labour special adviser paul richards, and campaigner and author chris wylde. great to have all three of you with me, paul have all three of you with me, paul, harry and meghan can't have it both ways. they're saying britain's dangerous. they're off to colombia where they risk being kidnapped. make it make sense . it make sense. >> i just don't care. >> i just don't care. >> i just don't care. >> i mean, ijust don't >> i just don't care. >> i mean, i just don't care. >> i mean, ijust don't care. i think they should just stay at home, do whatever they want to do, do the garden, keep an allotment, you know, just mind their own business and just keep out of the public eye. i think they've made a decision about not wanting to be part of the royal family fair do's. they've left the united kingdom also fair do's, but now they keep popping up fair do's, but now they keep popping up with these sort of pr trips and i just honestly, i just i couldn't care less. >> well, absolutely. >> well, absolutely. >> paul. and listen, you've got kindness in your heart. you're not a judgemental person. and viewers and listeners might ask me why i've devoted a take or ten to this, and i tell you why it's important. >> why have you?

>> why have you? >> well, you're right, but i think it's important, paul, because the duke of sussex, prince harry, is currently suing the home office to get top level royal protection. that is something that i support because i think he should have it when he's here, because he didn't choose to be the king's son. but this is the same man that's saying britain's too dangerous, so he needs armed protection and he's off to a country which is frankly , lawless. frankly, lawless. >> well, i imagine they'll look after him well, and he will get the protection that he needs anywhere in the world. i mean, it is a dangerous place in certain parts, i'm sure. but the places he's going to , he'll be places he's going to, he'll be well armed and guarded. >> safer than windsor. >> safer than windsor. >> but. well, what we know is that nowhere is safe, is it? if somebody is intent on doing harm to public figures. so it's of course he needs that protection. but honestly, i just think there's more important things for us to be. you know, there are cities are going up in flames, and there's all kinds of terrible things happening in the world. this really who cares? >> well, most definitely. but actually, jo—anne nadler i'll also make another point, which is i was on air about four weeks ago when i got a call from the

boss saying, somebody has tried to shoot donald trump, you need to shoot donald trump, you need to tear up the running order and get into rolling news mode, and suddenly, you know, the world looked like a very different place. it's a miracle. and it's a relief that donald trump didn't die, because i think it would have created a civil war in america. i don't want anything to happen to harry and meghan. i think they need royal protection. i think harry's right. i think they are a target, which is why it's utter insanity for them to travel around the world to some of the most dangerous countries on the planet. >> well, as you say, it does seem to be hugely inconsistent, but i'm i'm a little bit with paul on this. i'm finding it difficult to get quite as aerated as, as as you are about this matter . and that's partly this matter. and that's partly because i think i felt more keenly about their, their kind of disrespect. if you like, for, for their own family and for this country . while the late this country. while the late queen was still alive, i think, you know, there is a family tragedy being played out here

because we know that that the king and the prince have not been able to reach some kind of, understanding, which is just very, very sad , but beyond that, very, very sad, but beyond that, ihave very, very sad, but beyond that, i have to say, i can't really get terribly interested in this couple. and i'm very much with paul.i couple. and i'm very much with paul . i just couple. and i'm very much with paul. i just think, you know, if they're going to claim royal status, which they still do by keeping these titles , then keeping these titles, then really they should be living a much more quiet life. and if they're going to go to colombia andifs they're going to go to colombia and it's difficult to see why they are going there, it's not they are going there, it's not the obvious place for them to be promoting meghan's new lifestyle brand, for instance. but if they are going to go there, perhaps they could do something to draw attention to the to the damage that the international drugs trade does to the wider community and to many of the communities , quite frankly, that communities, quite frankly, that we're seeing so distressed in so many ways now, here and elsewhere. >> most definitely. >> most definitely. >> the issue is chris wild that on this program we speak truth to power. i've actually got

terrible abuse online for talking about harry and meghan. it'5 talking about harry and meghan. it's like i didn't realise that princes and millionaire actresses were the latest protected class. well, let me tell you, they're not protected on my watch. okay, same as huw edwards a year ago. i got dogs abuse for covering that story. completely vindicated . and if completely vindicated. and if it's keir starmer, if it's huw edwards, if it's harry and meghan. i don't care who you are. if you're powerful and you're rich and you have a massive public platform, i will call you out. and i think this is weapons grade hypocrisy from harry, to say that britain is so dangerous and he needs royal protection and he's off to south america, but probably to be bundled into the back of a van by someone called mr big. >> yeah . and i think people >> yeah. and i think people respect your your opinions , respect your your opinions, mark. that's why you get that kind of abuse. yeah but but no, i agree with you. i think the gift that keep on giving aren't they. and it's hard to too be engrossed in what's happening to them both. but listen on, on on

a positive note, they are humanitarians. a positive note, they are humanitarians . and like the humanitarians. and like the panel say, if you're going to go to places like colombia, then speak up against the cartel, protect all them young children who are dying through drug trades. but also, you know , bear trades. but also, you know, bear in mind who you are and where you come from. you know, the country is on the precipice of a disaster at the moment, and their voice could be very powerful here as well. and that's what they should be focusing on. >> well, i think you're right, to be fair to the couple, they are going to go there. they're going to talk about child safety and online safety. and they've been very good on that. they do good stuff. we've got the invictus games. you know the messaging from the couple is, is generally pretty humanitarian. but it's just the double standards. you know it's the private jets. and then net zero. and it's you know britain is a dangerous lawless hellhole. but we're off to colombia. i mean , we're off to colombia. i mean, it really is extraordinary. but look, what do you think folks are the couple guilty of wild double standards ? double standards? gbnews.com/yoursay. but next up, should the government put the army on the streets to keep law and order, i'll be asking former home office minister ann widdecombe, who waiting in

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>> welcome back. >> welcome back. >> a very busy few minutes to come, let me tell you. we've got the papers at exactly 1030 sharp. but first, as the authorities struggle to deal with violent riots in the aftermath of the southport murder of three little girls at a dance class, should the home secretary consider deploying the army to keep order on the streets? who better to ask than tonight's newsmaker, former home office minister ann widdecombe? and good to see you. would the deployment of the military be proportionate ? proportionate? >> i think not at the moment. at any rate, i like most politicians or certainly politicians or certainly politicians in a democracy, are very , very chary of getting the very, very chary of getting the army involved in civil matters. now they deal with civil emergencies. i mean, you know, they built all the nightingales dunng they built all the nightingales during covid. they deal with

civil emergencies, but we don't normally expect them to control the population. that is a matter for the police . and i would for the police. and i would prefer that it stayed that way. >> so do you see the deployment of the military as as a policy of the military as as a policy of last resort? >> oh, absolutely. last resort when it comes to i mean, not just in in any situation, but when it comes to, civil commotion, yes. because a lot of this is you can hardly call it political. it's now degenerated so much, but it would be deemed political in origin. and the army doesn't take sides. so i just think that i mean, i'm not saying there are never occasions or, and it might not be required, but i would be very reluctant to rush into that. >> that makes sense . and does >> that makes sense. and does britain have a problem with two tier policing? you've of course, occupied a senior role in the home office under a conservative government. have you seen things change? do you think that cops

pick and choose which protests they prosecute more than others? >> well, i don't have individual policemen do, but certainly the bosses, the chief constables, yes. i mean, they have an order of priorities . and the fact is of priorities. and the fact is that some people have come down on much harder than others. and so, i mean, for example, and i'm sure you all know this martin daubney was very, very, very briefly arrested , when he was briefly arrested, when he was out looking at the protest. now, what had he done? what had he done to get arrested? you have to actually do something and that should apply whether you're right, left, religious , right, left, religious, irreligious, doesn't matter what it is that should apply. >> most definitely. i mean, we saw that during the pandemic when black lives matter protests broke all the covid rules and restrictions, the police waved it by and even took the knee, which i think police shouldn't be doing that. meanwhile, anti—lockdown protesters bundled into the back of a police van.

>> yes. and indeed, if you remember the sarah everard protest was was also dealt with extremely severely. now, i was not against that because there were, after all, laws that were at the time being broken. but that's got to apply across the board. it's got to apply to everybody. and you cannot say, you know, this demonstration is more in need of control than that one. >> indeed, now, the prime minister has divided opinion with his focus on the far right. it's pretty clear that a large number of agitators who are racist thugs have been instrumental in what we've seen this week, you and i, and i've got no doubt will condemn it. and i hope that those individuals are prosecuted. but what did you make of the tone of his speech and the lack of accommodation of any wider issues being raised by the prime minister? >> well, he is not going to look at those wider issues and they are undeniably there, there can be no doubt at all. and this is no excuse at all for what's gone on, no excuse at all. but there

can be no doubt that immigration is causing a huge amount of concern, most people are concerned in a very responsible and orderly fashion, but it's there what labour are doing, which is they've dropped the verandah policy, they've dropped all deterrents. they're issuing amnesties. people are still coming in on the boats and in large numbers almost every day. and people say, well, where's this going to end ? and now we've this going to end? and now we've even got talk of some free movement being reinstated as part of the renegotiations with the eu . so yeah, people have got the eu. so yeah, people have got a right to be worried, but that is not an excuse for this sort of stuff at all. >> if you could have rewritten sir keir starmers speech , how sir keir starmers speech, how would you have framed it? >> clearly you would have called out the far right thugs. i've got no doubt. but what other extra context would you have added? an >> well, i don't even think i'd have kept emphasising the far right because , after all, he right because, after all, he never emphasises the far left.

but i would just call them thugs and they are thugs and they do need dealing with as thugs, regardless of any sort of political label. so i wouldn't have done that , and i would have done that, and i would certainly have acknowledged people's concerns. but as i say, thatis people's concerns. but as i say, that is not an excuse for this. it just isn't. and mustn't be seen to be made as an excuse for this. >> has sir keir starmer painted himself into a political corner here by making many feel that if they're concerned about the illegal immigration problem or legal net migration , that they legal net migration, that they too are far right. >> he hasn't gone quite that far, but that is an implication which some people might draw from what he has said, you know, and we just need to be very careful about our language when we're in this situation. you know, this is not the first riot that britain has ever faced , but that britain has ever faced, but we've got a series of such riots and they need to be treated as

such and, you know, not treated in any way from the left or the right, not treated in any way politically. >> now, anne, you've been as i mentioned before, a senior figure in the home office under a conservative government. what do we need to see from the home secretary now in the days and weeks ahead ? weeks ahead? >> well, i mean, i think we could see some very tough action. and i think we could see the police instructed to take very tough action. and the police are instructed to do that quite regardless of you know, what the politics of the situation are. but i think we should also be saying to the police, you do actually only arrest when somebody has done something wrong. >> most definitely. and the prime minister talked about, you know, with considerable conviction how he's going to speak up for those who feel targeted because of their race or their religion. he's absolutely right about that. but i don't remember such pronouncements during those weekly pro gaza marches in

central london and other cities , central london and other cities, in which a lot of anti—jewish rhetoric was shouted with slogans, waved around on placards . placards. >> and remember, also the police were taking an extremely soft line, and they actually said to one poor chap, you know, you look jewish, you know, keep away. you look jewish. well, nobody should be told to keep off the streets because they, you know, they have a particular racial origin. so, no, i mean, there are dual standards. there are dual standards on behalf of on the part of the police and the prime minister >> and you're one of my favourite contributors to the show , one of my favourite show, one of my favourite people. frankly, what a thrill it was to have you in the studio last weekend. it really is such a joy. you're the jewel in the crown of mark dolan tonight. i'm going to miss you terribly because i'm off for the rest of august. i've fallen horribly behind with the holiday and the bossis behind with the holiday and the boss is not happy. so therefore i'm back in september. so go and have a brilliant august and i know you'll be on fighting form in september when we are reunited. >> i'll see you then.

>> i'll see you then. >> have a great summer! my thanks to ann widdecombe, former home office minister and of course now a spokesperson for reform uk. like everyone, she's been on a journey. next up folks r ,- we've , we've got tomorrow's newspaper front pages, lots to get

well, it's bang on 1030. that very rarely happens. but let's have tomorrow's papers . i've have tomorrow's papers. i've just nicked chris wilde's papers. we'll start with the daily mail and let's see what they have for us. tinderbox britain stoking race riots from his sunbed. i think that's a very interesting headline that former english defence league leader tommy robinson relaxes in five star cyprus resort while fuelling violence across the uk with inflammatory online posts. absolutely disgraceful. next up, where shall we go? alastair? let's got the guardian now , let's got the guardian now, which is, always a cracking

read. you will regret this. starmer warns rioters and tory culture wars stoked far right says ex—advisor. the conservative government left the uk wide open to far right violence erupting across parts of the country by ignoring red flags and stoking fires with a culture war agenda. a senior adviser on extremism to tory prime ministers has said. dame sara khan, who is rishi sunak's independent adviser for social cohesion and resilience until may and acted as counter—extremism commissioner under both may and johnson, said the recent administrations have failed. the british people . failed. the british people. okay, now let's go to the mirror far right on rampage under siege thugs attack migrant hotel on another day of shame across the uk, starmer warns the yobs you will regret this after sickening scenes. let's go to the eye now. starmer vows to bring thugs to justice as riots sweep the uk

independent pm warns far right thugs you will regret taking part in those riots. thugs you will regret taking part in those riots . last thugs you will regret taking part in those riots. last but not least, the metro riot mobs wreak havoc across britain. shame on you . well, clearly shame on you. well, clearly there is only one story in town and that is the civil disobedience, the violence, the disorder that we're seeing in our great cities and towns across the country. let's get reaction now from tonight's top pundits. we've got chris wild , pundits. we've got chris wild, jo—anne nadler and paul richards. so, chris, yes, how worried are you about britain facing a summer of political chaos? >> yeah, i'm very worried. i've just been in yorkshire for the last two days in huddersfield and i went through to halifax and i went through to halifax and bradford. it seems to be some calm there and they are quite big in muslim population there, but it seems, but the communities are holding it together. i'm very worried . i together. i'm very worried. i think i'm more worried about, i mean, these people just they're rebels without a clue. it's like when white middle class men are raping and killing children,

they're not speaking up. they're not using their voices. they're not speaking up. they're not using their voices . and even not using their voices. and even with this situation, yeah, it's absolutely horrific. but right now the pen is more mightier than the sword. and these people in particular should be focusing on building this community. and if they want the power, if they want a voice, then there's a way to do it. but this is not going to do it. but this is not going to get any kind of reaction at all. it scares me because i live in enfield. it's quite a multicultural, place, and i know my neighbours are terrified at the moment. my, my, my muslim neighbours, they're scared to walk the streets. there's a, there's a really kind of intense atmosphere at the moment and it's really precarious for everyone . so i just don't know. everyone. so i just don't know. and what is, what is the fix? >> i mean, you know, obviously we talked earlier about how actually keir starmer is well qualified to tackle the law and order issue as a former top, top lawyer himself, director of pubuc lawyer himself, director of public prosecutions, 24 hour courts, all really good ideas from this new labour government. but that strikes me as the tip of the iceberg. you know that just tackling these violent thugs, what's underneath it and how do we fix it? >> i think if anything, you've

got to go in hard with this. and i think you can't call it democracy because this isn't the you know, violence is not democracy. freedom of speech is, but it's people. i don't know if i'm allowed to mention his name, but the leader of the edl, mr robinson, tommy robinson, it's like this man who is funding this man who, you know , take him this man who, you know, take him off all social media. they have the powers to do that. so why are they not doing that? they are they not doing that? they are stoking the fire, making it worse. and yet he's turning it up in cyprus. it's like this guy is dangerous and he's leading these these vacuous idiots into, into, into our communities. they're destroying it. and it just seems. but, you know, nobody seems to be doing anything. why are you not crashing down on him taking his funding off him, locking him up and locking everyone else up? they've got the powers to do that. >> that's an interesting question. >> are high profile figures in politics and or the media stoking these tensions and creating this sort of tinderbox? i think there's a certain amount of dog whistling going on, but i think they'll regret it because they'll unleash forces beyond their control. >> but, i mean, we talked about

the russians earlier. i think there needs to be an intelligence led response to this, to and to see the sorts of mythologies that are being put around on the internet need to be looked at and see what the sources for those are. but you know what the mainstream media is completely missing here is the wonderful response from ordinary citizens coming out with their brooms and their shovels. and, you know , clearing shovels. and, you know, clearing up the mess the next day. there are more of them on the streets than there were the rioters. and that brickie who did get in the media, who was rebuilding the wall outside the mosque, that is the true face of these communities. and that needs to be told. that story needs to be told far more . told far more. >> most definitely. i mean, joanne, there's a lot of finger pointing going on right now, which i guess is not very helpful, not very constructive. >> well, i suppose if there's evidence that individuals have been directly responsible for spreading actual lies, then it's important that we that we know that, but i would just caution

making a bogeyman out of 1 or 2 specific people if actually what we're looking at here is something more complex. i think you are quite right, paul, to talk about the presence potentially, of , of actors from, potentially, of, of actors from, you know , overseas actors and, you know, overseas actors and, particularly there does seem to be evidence that there has been russian bots involved in all of this. it's a kind of a way to kind of create division in another country in a pretty you know, low level but dangerous way. >> folks, let me know your thoughts on this gbnews.com/yoursay. >> i'm going to read out some of your comments in a second, but how about this , paul from paul how about this, paul from paul embery your your namesake. he's also on the left politically, trade unionist, of course, and paul embery tweeted the following, just just a couple of days ago, britain doesn't have a far right problem. britain has a problem with a dominant liberal class that for years ignored legitimate mainstream concerns over economic injustice, crime

and immigration and is now experiencing the blowback. does he have a point? no. >> i mean, there is a far right. it is organised. it's organising in different ways than the ones we've seen in the past. you know, people are sort of blaming this on the edl. the adl doesn't exist in in any sort of form. we would recognise, but there are these networks around , these networks around, conspiracy theories around anti—immigrant, anti—muslim . anti—immigrant, anti—muslim. >> but is it comparable to is it comparable to the threat of islamic extremism, and is it comparable to those other more prosaic issues like getting a roof over your head, illegal immigration and other other issues? >>i issues? >> i think in terms of the security issues, it is comparable in the sense that, you know, our streets are aflame and there are people smashing up police cars. >> so, i mean, there is obviously a genuine public order issue, but the deeper issues around you know, community cohesion, jobs , you know, safe cohesion, jobs, you know, safe communities where people can walk about these are being addressed by the government over the longer term. and you were sort of saying starmer doesn't care about the things. i mean, the whole labour project is

about community cohesion. >> so you mentioned community cohesion and people getting a job and accommodation. >> yeah. none of that's helped by legal net migration of 700,000 a year, is it. or illegal immigration. those two factors work against labour's plans . plans. >> well we've argued this out before, haven't we? immigration in itself is not a bad thing. the economy needs people to come and we need people to build our houses. we're about to launch a massive pick. >> our fruits. >> our fruits. >> yeah, all the jobs that people don't want to do. you know, those are entry level jobs often for people arriving here. well, one of the things that was smashed up in one of those towns we saw was a supermarket opened up, presumably by a second or third generation immigrant, you know, working hard , probably know, working hard, probably working all hours. >> but what you're right about that, paul. but you are sounding a bit i think paul is sounding slightly complacent here about the rate of change, the pace of change and the sheer numbers involved. and i think it's not so much about immigration per se. it's about assimilation, which has been raised by the dosage. >> is the poison, isn't it? so if it's 50 to 100,000 a year, well, i'm not i'm not i'm not

sure that is that is a that is an expression that can use not a good one. >> medical term context. >> medical term context. >> i would say. >> i would say. >> well, i'm not sure that i would use that expression ehhen would use that expression either, because i'm not sure it's completely clear what it means, but i, i do think that, you know, people have been pint of water is for good you. >> ten pints will kill you. >> ten pints will kill you. >> depends how thirsty you are, i suppose, but. but go on. no, i mean, i do think when we touched on this in the earlier discussion that there is a danger here that this, that any sensible discussion about big changes that have been happening to communities is going to be hijacked now by a number of thugs, and that we won't be able to then return to a more rational conversation about issues that people are clearly very concerned about. >> isn't that the point, chris, is that isn't keir starmer is absolutely right to focus on these thugs, but it really sort of really sort of now sort of storyboarding this as a far right problem in the uk allows the prime minister to escape addressing these wider issues that we're talking about, >> people that are watching and

listening to this show that feel that the country is changing beyond recognition very rapidly, something for which they never voted. >> well, yeah, of course. i mean, unfortunately, this takes the focus off the housing crisis. what's going on at the moment? it takes the focus off what's going on with, you know, people on food banks, people can't afford to live. it takes a lot of focus off that . and but lot of focus off that. and but at the same time is they've allowed this to happen. this has been building for many years. you know, the far right have just come in because there's been there's been a little gap, there's been a loophole and they've been allowed to come in and do this. and i think i feel sorry for keir starmer. he's got a huge job on his hand. and how do you deal with this? how does any leader deal with this. and i think at the moment they've got to come together, unite and look at how we can, you know, build their communities again. it's worrying. okay. >> well let's have a look at some of your messages, which i asked for. gbnews.com/yoursay jane is a gb news member and says mark, disgraceful. tommy robinson is not stoking anything. he's on holiday. he's had no violence . he has hardly

had no violence. he has hardly said anything. you are finger pointing. tommy tells more of the truth than you guys do, alan, who's a gb news member, says we want our country back and we need politicians who understand that . caroline has understand that. caroline has said tommy robinson has stressed that protests should be peaceful on many occasions. his event last week was attended by tens of thousands. it was a day of speeches , gospel songs and speeches, gospel songs and celebration of british values. no one mentioned that in the press , how about this? mark says , press, how about this? mark says, the way to fix things is has been the way to fix things has been the way to fix things has been closed for years. unfortunately, the peaceful route has been exhausted and nothing came of it. it needs appeasement, not more division. and both sides extreme. sorry. both sides who are extremists stoke it and the politicians are absolutely useless. okay, well look, this one is going to run and run. obviously it is a big, big problem by the way. but politically this is a headache for keir starmer, isn't it paul. his first major crisis of his

premiership. he needs to make sure that we don't have a summer of these riots because the opfics of these riots because the optics aren't good. >> yeah, i mean he's elected not a month ago and on a, on a prospectus of, you know , house prospectus of, you know, house building and sorting out the nhs and putting more police on the streets and jobs and all these things. and now that agenda is being totally subverted by urban rioting. but this is the stuff of politics. and actually it might be the proving of him, too. i mean, it's an issue. obviously he's got a good credentials on, as we've said, it is something that speaks to his own experiences as the director of public prosecutions. so he may come out of this stronger most definitely. >> well, look, it is an opportunity for the prime minister if he gets it right, i will be praising him full . okay, folks, lots more to come, more front

okay, a couple more front pages. welcome back. the times i think we have alastair, don't we? let's have a look right inside

his face. a reckoning and new planning rules will lift barriers to onshore wind and solar labour will relax planning rules to make it easier and cheaper to build solar farms and onshore wind turbines. cheaper to build solar farms and onshore wind turbines . yay, onshore wind turbines. yay, telegraph far right clash with muslims in rioting and don't order fake ozempic online buyers warned. pharmacy leaders have urged people not to buy potentially fake weight loss jabs online amid a shortage of ozempic, which is expected to stretch into next year. royal navy ships on standby in middle east over fears of war. okay, those are your front pages . those are your front pages. let's have a look at a couple of these stories. if we can. you were celebrating this story in the times . were celebrating this story in the times. paul richards were celebrating this story in the times . paul richards new the times. paul richards new planning rules will lift barriers to onshore wind and solar. what do you think about the sort of aesthetic impact of this technology? >> i think a wind farm onshore is a beautiful, balletic,

wonderful thing. i think they are wonderful. >> and what about the fact that they don't that the actual, the, they don't that the actual, the, the blades only have a certain shelf life and then they're virtually impossible to dispose of? >> well, we need to make them in this country and not import them from norway. and a disposal engineering is still a huge environmental cost to having to dispose of them. i'm sure we'll find something clever to do with them, but they are beautiful. i love them, yeah. >> i mean, that's an interesting one. >> i mean, are we willing to sacrifice the countryside for energy security? >> joanne, i don't think i mean, according to this, it's not clearly not going to be a question of people being willing. it's going to effectively be forced on them. i mean , actually, funnily enough, mean, actually, funnily enough, i don't completely disagree with paul i don't completely disagree with paul. i don't think there's anything intrinsically ugly about these windmills. i'm more concerned about the damage that they do to bird life, to nature and the fact that, quite frankly, this is investing in a, in a, in a technology that's that's really very unpredictable. and we're all going to end up with much higher energy bills. >> it's a windmill. >> it's a windmill. >> it's a windmill. >> it generates supposed to

lower the nicola bulley. >> yes. but it only generates power when there's wind. >> paul, what do you think, folks? >> gb news. com forward slash your say. are you willing to lose a bit of the countryside in order to achieve cheaper energy and energy security? is it a price worth paying? my concern about this, chris, is that i think it's an experiment . i'm think it's an experiment. i'm all for green renewables, but i've not seen a country that has had sustained energy sources from wind and solar, and i haven't seen my bills get lowered yet. >> they just keep rising and rising. where's all this energy? where's all this organic energy coming from? it's not impacting me. it is. >> it is a gamble, isn't it? renewables are a punt, aren't they, paul ? they, paul? >> well let's see, i mean, let's try it because i think the alternative of just relying on for putin's or gas and oil and you know, but we are going to be buying we've had our own gas and oil and labour have immediately closed down the new licences for nuclear power. >> well, it's not the point isn't the point about oil and gas that it's not an experiment. >> it's not a gamble. we know that they provide. >> we also know without opening

the can of worms, we also know it's destroying the planet. >> is there is there a tension between ed miliband and sir keir starmer on there are no tensions at the top of the government. >> you should know that. >> you should know that. >> well, we know about angela versus rachel, don't we? >> i mean, the ultimate showdown with one voice. okay, well, i'll i'll take your word for that. let's have a look at some of your messages. alan just says, look, we need nigel farage to sort things out. labour haven't got a clue . starmer is just got a clue. starmer is just stoking the situation with his threats, says deirdre. that that doesn't help. he could calm the situation down if he said he would listen to the issues. there you go. by the way, can i nick your guardian because producer james has found a story producerjames has found a story in there and it's about the culture wars. okay and it's quite an interesting story here. and it's a tory culture war. stoked the far right says a former adviser to rishi sunak, does she have a point, joanne? >> well, i we've only got the

front pages, so i, i will comment on this, but it has to be taken with the caveat that we've not seen the rest of the story. now, what's interesting about the way this has been covered on the front page is that it? it doesn't go on to explain that dame sara khan , of explain that dame sara khan, of course, wrote the very significant report that came out under rishi sunak's government about issues to do with assimilation and islamism. so i don't think these comments here can be taken. solely out of the context, the wider context of seeing extremism across the board . and if you just read the board. and if you just read the front page here, it rather suggests that she's only talking about, the way in which she one can infer from this, she feels that certain elements of the conservative party are loud or rather, were slow to look at any danger from the so—called far

right . my understanding also as right. my understanding also as well is that in terms of, how the authorities wanted to discuss the far right in terms of any threat they posed, it was rather more to refer to the extreme right, which was a way of kind of pulling away from this idea that the far right could be seen as being a set of ideas which aren't shared by the majority of people, but just are a set of ideas, whereas the extreme right was something that relates to, you know, fomenting violence potentially. >> do you have any recollection of sir keir starmer being as robust in his language about islamic extremism as he has been this week, about the far right ? this week, about the far right? well, no. >> and i think that's one of the problems. as i said earlier, you know, that not only has he not been as robust, in his language, but there does seem to be an element of the labour party, which has found it very difficult to stand up to some of the sectarian elements of, of the sectarian elements of, of the islamist politics that we've

seen play out in some of these towns. yeah. >> because, paul, i mean, the prime minister has personal experience of this. the prime minister is the politician who had to go to the speaker of the house of commons before the election and begged the speaker to not pursue an amendment vote on a ceasefire in gaza because he feared that if his labour backbenchers supported the labour party's position, which was to support the government's position, that they would be attacked in the street so well hang on these riots, after 14 years of conservative government. >> it's another example of the mess that's been left behind, which the labour party is now having to most definitely sort out and on the streets they are chanting stop the boats . chanting stop the boats. >> why shouldn't they start chants? >> well, i'm just, i'm merely pointing out that is a mainstream conservative slogan, which they have adopted. >> so if you start stop the boats is the same as kill the jews, is it? >> if you start, if you open this, you know , the bottle, the this, you know, the bottle, the genie comes out. and this is what a lot of this rioting is

about. >> what is what is wrong with the chants? stop the boats! >> well, because it's basically a racist chant, isn't it, by racists on stoking hatred , is it? >> is it? >> is it? >> well, it's contextual , isn't it? >> because on its own, is it racist ? racist? >> well, that's sort of a metaphysical sort of dilemma , metaphysical sort of dilemma, isn't it? >> i don't know, you know, because in a way this is at the heart of the problem with the prime minister's rhetoric. >> i think. >> i think. >> i think that talking about, i mean , the phrase stop the boats mean, the phrase stop the boats as a political phrase, if one can extrapolate it from the violence, that's going on at the moment, is something of a crude phrase. however, it it boil it crude simply because it was boiling down a number of very complex problems. >> i wouldn't put it on, but hang on a second. on at >> i wouldn't put it on, but hang on a second. on a t shirt. no, but but but clearly there was a policy to try and stop illegal immigration into this country. >> we're not talking about legal immigration, which about which we need to also have a discussion, as we've intimated earlier and discussed earlier. yeah, but illegal immigration,

which is which involves people being put into very dangerous circumstances and many of whom are now dying in the water and being exploited in this way, i think it's perfectly reasonable to want to stop that , surely. to want to stop that, surely. >> fair enough. >> fair enough. >> well, listen, folks, it's been a hard old week , hasn't it? been a hard old week, hasn't it? but i really love my pundits tonight. very balanced debate. we don't all agree that's the point of the show. i'm off for august. i'm going to miss you hugely. it's the best job i've ever had. my view is my listeners are just. there's no show without you. i do this for you. i put a lot into the show because i love this job and i love broadcasting to you. and i'm back in september. enjoy. ben. leo. while i'm gone. thank you to the team for working so hard. keep it. gb news and, yeah, hopefully i'll rub suntan a couple of weeks time. have a good august. see you in september . september. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers sponsors of weather on gb news.

>> hello there. welcome to your latest gb news weather forecast. it remains unsettled over the next 24 hours, particularly across western parts of scotland. drier further southeast and turning increasingly humid as well. a deep area of low pressure sits to the north—west of the uk. outbreaks of rain pushing in from the atlantic but also drawing in some quite warm and humid air through the rest of sunday into the early hours of monday rain across parts of northern ireland into scotland this turning increasingly heavy metoffice warning in place across western parts of scotland, right through until the end of monday. temperatures overnight despite clear spells evenin overnight despite clear spells even in the south, remaining in mid teens for many 14 to 16 celsius. so a mild muggy start to monday. best of the sunshine across southeastern areas, but heavy rain across western parts of scotland. you can see the bright colours there so some tncky bright colours there so some tricky travelling conditions. first thing with this slowly pushing north eastwards through the day. northern ireland as well seeing outbreaks of rain pushin well seeing outbreaks of rain push in now and then and

temperatures around 19 or 20 celsius. so a muggy start to the day. cloudy across wales, the west country with some drizzle over the hills, but that sunshine from the word go across south east england as we go through the day. rain continues to push north and eastwards across northern ireland, affecting parts of scotland. it will be here where it will be heavy at times. western parts of northern england , wales also northern england, wales also seeing the risk of some rain, which will turn heavy later on in the day. best of the dry and bright weather holding on further south and east, where it will be warm and humid. temperatures reaching 25 to 27 celsius, a little fresher across the far north—west. highs around 19 degrees here for tuesday. this weather front eventually starts pushing its way south and eastwards, clearing much of the uk through the morning showers. though pushing in across northern ireland, western scotland. some of these heavy at times and generally a fresher feel for all. further showery rain expected through the middle towards the end of the week as well. see you soon. >> looks like things are heating

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>> good evening. the top stories from the gb newsroom. a police officer has been injured outside a hotel in tamworth as officers continue to deal with violent acts of thuggery that, coming from staffordshire police this evening. merseyside police says six people have been charged after disorder in southport, liverpool city centre and walton in the past week. the prime minister earlier vowed rioters would regret taking part in what he called far right thuggery in england, as the government announced emergency security for mosques amid the threat of further disorder. earlier today.

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