from the gb your headlines from the gb newsroom. it'sjust your headlines from the gb newsroom. it's just gone 7:00. the prime minister is chairing another emergency cobra meeting as police brace for another night of unrest across the country . suspects are appearing country. suspects are appearing in court after a week of violence in the uk sparked by the stabbings in southport, among them a child just aged 15 who arrived before magistrates in liverpool with his mum after being identified from a video on tiktok. meanwhile, a man has become the first suspect to be convicted of stirring up racial hatred during the riots. after posting messages on facebook about attacking a hotel. asylum seekers were staying. 100 people have now been charged and more than 400 arrests have been made so far. a former head of the uk's counter—terror police force has said it's time to start treating the worst of the riots as terrorism . meanwhile, sir as terrorism. meanwhile, sir keir starmer has welcomed the news that children injured in the southport attack last week have been discharged from

hospital. the prime minister also thanked staff at alder hey hospital in liverpool. three children, seven year old elsie dot stancombe , nine year old dot stancombe, nine year old alice akua and six year old b.b. alice akua and six year old bb. king died as a result of the attack at the heart space community centre . in the us, community centre. in the us, kamala harris has picked minnesota governor tim walz as her running mate for november's presidential election. the democratic party candidate confirmed early reports in a post on x. mr woltz, who is a former teacher and member of the us army national guard, responded to the news saying it was an honour of a lifetime to join the campaign. harris will hope the democrat, who served more than a decade in congress, can help shore up her campaign in the critical upper midwest region. the decision will be pivotal as harris prepares to challenge donald trump in the upcoming election. following president biden's exit from the race back in the uk , a solicitor

race back in the uk, a solicitor of a man who was kicked in the head by a police officer at manchester airport says the families the victim of a smear campaign, ammar anwar, says farage, omar's mother, was racially abused on a plane before the events of last month . before the events of last month. he's also accused officers of not having body cams turned on dunng not having body cams turned on during the incident, and great britain's equestrian team have finished the paris games with five medals, including two golds. meanwhile, 16 year old sky brown defied a shoulder injury to claim a bronze medal for great britain at the women's skateboard park. meanwhile, keely hodgkinson has become the 10th british women to win athletics gold as she stormed across the line in the 800 metre and team gb set a new world record in the women's team sprint track cycling, bringing the total medal haul to 12 gold so far and putting them fifth in the table. those are the latest gb news headlines. for now, i'm sophia wenzler more in half an

hour for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code , or go to gbnews.com. >> forward slash alerts . >> forward slash alerts. >> forward slash alerts. >> good evening. since i was last with you, we have seen rioting and violence on an horrendous level. the prime minister seeks to blame it all purely on the far right. and yes, of course, there are far right thugs and some of the actions, such as setting fire or attempting to set fire to hotels with people in them , are truly with people in them, are truly disgusting and appalling. but we can't say it's all on one side. last night we saw in some parts of the country mobs of young muslims masked, acting in a very intimidatory way indeed, threatening journalists, slashing tyres, making people from sky news and lbc flee the scene. we even saw a pub that

was surrounded and intimidated, so there's fault on all sides. street violence is never , ever street violence is never, ever right. i've spent 30 years fighting elections, some successful, some unsuccessful because i believe in solving problems via the ballot box. personally, i have to say i'm pretty disgusted by comments made by people like andy mcdonald from the labour party. anna soubry, former conservative mp broadcasters like james o'brien on lbc calling these farage's riots people , saying farage's riots people, saying actually, i've been orchestrating , organising, orchestrating, organising, encouraging the riots . well, encouraging the riots. well, nothing could be further from the truth. and because of that level of incitement to hatred against me , i've had to have against me, i've had to have a very significant change in my security situation over the course of the weekend. but i guess there are some who are frightened that politically, one day i could benefit from what is

going on. well that's not what interests me. what interests me is not just ending these riots and not just quelling them. for now, i don't want to live in france where these divisions occur once every few months, where parts of big french cities effectively almost become no go zones. i want to find long term solutions and one of the problems here, at least one of the perceived problems here, is two tier policing now, right or not. and we'll debate that in just a moment. but right or not, there is a widespread perception of two tier policing. i believe it began at the time of the black lives matters protests. we saw people literally tearing down statues and chucking them in the dark and nobody actually being stopped from doing it. in the dark and nobody actually being stopped from doing it . we being stopped from doing it. we saw churchill's statue defaced. we saw the cenotaph defiled, and police officers taking the knee in the street, supporting a marxist organisation. and he goes on from there to a common

perception that the way the riots in leeds were handled, compared to the way the riots in southport were handled, were very, very different. none of this, folks, is aimed at all at the men or women on the front line, and frankly, it is truly appalling how many police officers have been hurt over the course of the last few days. do we have two tier policing .7 are we have two tier policing? are we have two tier policing? are we led by two tier care? that's our debate to begin this evening. i'm joined by former detective chief inspector of the met police, peter kirkham, and my panel this evening is andrew rosindell, conservative member of parliament for romford, and paul richards, not only a former labour special adviser, but also somebody who ran to be a police and crime commissioner. peter. good evening. good evening. do you understand why, when it comes to how riots are dealt with? but equally, even on things like stop and search, you know, there is a perception that the police say, well, actually , the police say, well, actually, you know, there's a lot of black

people in this area. if we do stop and search, they'll call us racist and horrible names, it has to be true to a certain extent, that the police deal with different communities in different ways. the perception is certainly there. >> personally, i don't think there is two tier policing. i think the police do their best to do policing in the same way. whoever it is they're dealing with at that particular time. but there are difficulties and there are practical issues that arise and the criticism that they get in relation to certain activities tends to be applied across the board. if they're going to be put off, stop and search, they'll be put off, stop and search of anybody. and we've seen the numbers of stop and searches very drastically reduced while from whilst the use of knife crime increases. absolutely. because the tory led government since 2010 and theresa may in particular, really hammered the police about misuse of stop and search as she

saw it. there are things that are significantly wrong with that criticism. there are some of the facts that there are that are relied on and are almost, tablets of stone . there are tablets of stone. there are articles of faith about the disproportionality and things like that that just simply are not true. but we never have that conversation. we have the same conversation. we have the same conversation about it every six months or so. and i've been having it for 40 years. we go round in the same circle and we come to the same place. let's have a think. >> let's have a think about the palestinian marches that happenedin palestinian marches that happened in london repeatedly saturday after saturday, after saturday after saturday, after saturday with chants. i mean , saturday with chants. i mean, frankly, genocidal chants of from the river to the sea. and it would appear to anyone watching, as i say, i'm not blaming individual frontline men and women doing their job as police. they've got a hell of a tough job and dangerous job. these are big operational decisions that kind of chanting, that kind of behaviour was

allowed to go on for months without it ever being challenged. and yet and yet, you know, if there was a group, if there was a group of what were seen to be far right football supporters, chanting unpleasant things in the street, they would get dealt with. >> they would to a certain extent. but again, we see that the police , confronted with a the police, confronted with a crowd who are all doing things that might merit some intervention if it was on an individual level and not in a position to intervene. once it's scaled up and there's 20 or 100 or 200 people doing the same sort of thing, and it's become, since the use of cctv and the police have cctv. yeah, that they're using all these demonstrations. the main tactic they have adopted is if somebody needs arrest in there and then to prevent very serious harm, they'll do that. obviously but otherwise more minor infractions, not necessarily

minor in absolute terms , but minor in absolute terms, but more minor will be allowed to run . and then they'll pick them run. and then they'll pick them up later from the cctv images and the intelligence gathering afterwards. and we've seen it for many, many years now. and it's an effective tactic so far as it goes, because every time you arrest somebody in a demonstration, protest , riot demonstration, protest, riot situation, you're taking at least two possibly more officers away from the frontline and trying to quell that disorder to deal with the prisoners. and that's just not practical. >> i'm not pretending it's easy. >> i'm not pretending it's easy. >> it's not easy. it's not possible . possible. >> and that's because the police are outnumbered physically , are outnumbered physically, >> partially, yes, but the preceding the practicalities of arresting 200 people simultaneously is just you know, it's impossible. >> now, we're told there are 39 protests planned tomorrow night, >> around the country. >> around the country. >> that's what we're told. whether it's true or not, i don't know . what should the don't know. what should the police tactics be? >> the police tactics should be what they are now gather as much

as intelligence as possible on each one. try to deploy the resources , deploy the resources resources, deploy the resources they've got as best they can to deal with the threats that they prioritise in all the various different locations. and then see what develops and deal with that as it happens. if there are scenes that lead them to believe it's going to get worse, try and intervene. at an early stage. it's easier to intervene earlier rather than later. disperse people if they can and such like. but the difficulty they've got is with social media, with modern communication methods, those intent on causing damage, destruction and assault , they destruction and assault, they have got the means to move around and be in different places and coordinate each other as much as the police, if not more so. more 50. >> more so. >> should people be allowed to go around in masked mobs intimidating people? >> i think the masking of people in protest situations or generally is a bit of an issue.

i don't i don't think it's the whole issue because cctv can't catch up with those people. it can, but not by facial recognition, but by clothing and by other, other, other means of identifying people. it can, but it's not as good as facial recognition. obviously >> so i put it to you again that the perception , common the perception, common perception, one that's grown in the last few weeks, particularly when you see the operational decisions that were taken in leeds compared to the operational decisions that were taken in southport. and yes, i accept the different circumstances, but i put it to you that fear of being called racist means our police force policed different communities in different ways. >> that's not the reason at all that the police are not going to be dealing with things differently on that basis, but that perception comes from the comments of people in responsible positions. and i have to point at you to a certain extent. you need to be extremely careful about what you say and how you say it, and how it will be perceived. you're

portrayed as a alternative source of the truth, because the bbc and the police can't be relied upon well. so you need to be very , very careful that what be very, very careful that what you're saying is true , accurate you're saying is true, accurate and properly. when that monster stabbed, killed those three little girls. >> yeah. and there were others still very seriously horrendous attack . i was waiting, i wanted attack. i was waiting, i wanted to hear very quickly who the attacker was. and, you know, was this somebody that had been on a police watch list? because often we hear these things very quickly after terrorist attacks or whatever it may be, we rarely hearit or whatever it may be, we rarely hear it from the police very quickly. well, we'll hear it from some source, whether it's the home office, whether it's the home office, whether it's the police. i don't know what was interesting and wrong was the levels of speculation. had the levels of speculation. had the bloke arrived on a boat last yean the bloke arrived on a boat last year, was he a muslim activist? that could all have been quelled. >> much was true. >> much was true. >> no. completely untrue, and yet fuelled what happened in southport. absolutely. don't we need the police and the home office and others to give us as much information about people like that as quickly as possible? >> we do, and the police are well aware of that, and they're

well aware of that, and they're well aware of that, and they're well aware that the absence of information leaves a vacuum that's filled by, yes, all sorts of speculation. yes. and they try to do that. i was a detective chief inspector investigating murders, and i cameras pointed at me within half an hour. an hour of arriving at the scene on arrival at the scene. same time. what's happening? i don't know, i've just got him , the bottom line is just got him, the bottom line is facts. take time. and the police for legal as well as more general reasons, have to get it right. if they say something, they have to be satisfied. they get it right. there have been occasions over the years where they've said things that haven't been right, and it's gone back to bite them. big time. well, so facts take time and we need to be patient. >> some more rapid facts would have helped in southport. they would facts but not speculation. >> no no no no police. >> two tier policing andrew rosindell what's your take? >> the police are there to protect the public and they have to apply the law equally to all people. this is the laws of this country that should apply equally to every citizen and to all communities. if we get to a

stage where the public are losing confidence that the police are applying that law equally, we have a serious problem on our hands. is that where we are? i'm afraid i think that many people do think so. we've seen how the, aggressive marches through london about gaza. we've seen how they've been policed compared to other types of protests and marches where the police have seen to have been much more aggressive towards those who are protesting. it's not a good look. now, i support the police and we must support the police. they're there to do a job to protect our country and to protect our country and to protect the law abiding citizens. but too much politics has been going on in the police for too long. they've been too politicised. i want them to get back to doing the job that the british people want them to do, to treat everyone equally , and to treat everyone equally, and to treat everyone equally, and to ensure that the law is obeyed by all. >> and i must ask paul your take on this. >> well, the big mistake the

government made in 20 after 2010 was to cut all those police numbers off our streets in the first place. >> we lost peter on that point . >> we lost peter on that point. >> we lost peter on that point. >> we lost a generation of coppers with real street smarts and experience, and we have slowly replaced them , but by slowly replaced them, but by definition by younger and less experienced. you voted for that , experienced. you voted for that, by the way, and we've been reaping the whirlwind ever since in terms of shoplifting, the inability to police rioting, people being burgled and the police don't turn up, and all of those things have happened because we decided as a nation to take the police off our streets. now that was the mistake. we made. and we are here now talking about the things we're talking about because of that. >> well, i want to say a huge thanks , peter kirkham, for thanks, peter kirkham, for coming in for making those arguments and do come back to us in the next few days as we see how the police handle these things and most important of all, the perception of the police, because it is really, really important. i'm going to lose peter, but i'm going to stay with my panel as we discuss a war of words that has broken out between the owner of x, elon musk, and keir starmer. what on

earth going

on? well, elon musk calls himself a free speech absolutist. that's why he bought twitter and rebranded it x. and many of the debates that we have these days wouldn't have happened if musk hadnt wouldn't have happened if musk hadn't bought twitter. now, you can argue there are good things about that . you can argue there about that. you can argue there are bad things about that . but are bad things about that. but he certainly believes in free speech and he appears to be strongly of the view that in the united kingdom, we are losing our rights of free speech. and over the last 48 hours, he's really gone to town in the most extraordinary way. musk arrested for making comments on facebook . for making comments on facebook. is this britain or the soviet union? he publishes a cartoon of some armed cops outside a house

with a woman looking through the doon with a woman looking through the door. we saw your memes step outside and he's gone on from his soviet union quotes to saying that keir starmer is to tear keir, he says, why aren't all communities protected in britain? and he's really had a go at this. he said, look, you know, a masked mob of muslim men were intimidating people in the west midlands last night and nothing happened . and yet, you nothing happened. and yet, you know, if you're branded far right , the police will crack right, the police will crack down and on and on and on. what is going on does i mean, obviously america , paul richards obviously america, paul richards and the uk, we are different . we and the uk, we are different. we share a common language, a fair bit of shared history. they do have this first amendment right of free speech which, which, which they believe in. but is he right? in a way do we worry too much in this country about what people say as opposed to what they do? >> well, there's always been limits to so—called free speech,

isn't it? i mean, there are legal limits, of course, about what you can say or libel. you know, you can't just say what you like about somebody else, and you can't do things that endanger public safety. so we've always had limitations on twitter or x. now it's just a complete cesspit. and the danger with it is that people see it because it's written down and it's on their phones. they take it's on their phones. they take it as gospel, they believe it to be true. and we've seen foreign state actors getting involved in this to try and create and disrupt democratic states, some reports that russia were behind some of these things. and now fuelled by this china or these people who wishes ill are trying to stir up trouble using the mediums of social media which didn't exist, you know, but you can also go, well, look, we can't uninvent social media just like we can't. >> you know, i'd love there not to be a nuclear bomb, but there is an ain't going away. >> so you need rules. in other words, we have rules for nuclear proliferation and we need rules around social media. what is it? can't be the wild west, can it? >> what is interesting, i mean, in the november 2020 presidential election, hunter

biden laptop was out there. we now know the contents of that to be true. and yet twitter, facebook and everybody else prevented a genuine debate going on about biden's son. biden's relationship with the son. actually, what you can say for elon musk is now, we would have that debate, but he's suggesting there's going to be a civil war in the united kingdom. >> well, now that we know to be an utter, utter nonsense. so why is he allowed to just get away with saying stuff like that? and i would challenge this whole idea of two tier policing. i don't believe that's true ehhen don't believe that's true either. but he says it and millions of people will believe it. and the danger is it's fuelling actual real life activity. so people are turning up to these demos and they are smashing up greggs and setting fires to libraries. and, you know , causing proper damage and know, causing proper damage and risk to life. risk to life because of social media. and it needs policing these companies shouldn't be bigger than governments. >> all right, paul makes the point. you know, that social media can be a force for bad. equally, i make the point. it can be a force for good, do you fear a civil war in this

country? >> no, i don't believe that's going to happen. but i do believe there's a groundswell of disgruntlement. a lot of people are unhappy. the election results proved that no party really won the election in terms of votes, 33, 34% for a labour government. >> but of the votes and two thirds of the seats. >> absolutely. so, you know, people are not happy, nigel. and you know this, i know this people are very disgruntled with our political system. and one of the things they're very unhappy aboutis the things they're very unhappy about is the idea that the british way of doing things is being gradually undermined, and freedom of speech is fundamental to that. a british sense of humour is fundamental to that, and it seems to me that the politically correct brigade, the woke fanatics, they get away with it. they can condemn everybody and everyone. and if you dare to question anything, you're supposedly far right. so this needs to be dealt with. >> this, this, this i worry about you see, i worry, i worry, paul about you see, i worry, i worry,

paul, as a result of what's happened on these riots and i, you know , particularly the way, you know, particularly the way, i mean, the way that i've been treated by some politicians and media commentators, which is vile. all i did was ask some questions. who is this bloke? can we know the truth? i've never encouraged violence of any kind at all, ever. in 30 years of being in and around politics. but is there a danger that where starmer is heading with some of his arguments that we finish up saying it's even wrong to talk about this , it's even wrong to about this, it's even wrong to call people illegal immigrants. is there a danger that as a result of these riots, we find actually our rights to free speech begin to diminish? >> i mean, your tweet has caused disquiet and anger because not of what it said, but the subtext to it, which then fed into conspiracism on some people's part. you've believed something that was not true. so that's why you're getting called out on that? >> well, i was saying, can we know the truth?

>> and you heard the cop say it too. you know, there is genuine, decent people saying, just hang on a minute. i wanted to know the truth. i mean, i'm a guest on your show, and i want to be polite, but i do feel you say what you want. there is a an underpinning to that which caused some of the trouble. and there are people, idiots out there are people, idiots out there who will just believe anything they see on social media. so you have to be careful. as the man said, careful. as the man said, careful what you tweet, but surely it's keir starmer branding everybody far right. >> he has offended huge numbers of the british people, the people who are smashing up greggs and trying to burn out asylum seekers are who they are hooligans, but they are driven by far right organisations. >> we know this to be. >> we know this to be. >> the worry is there's a lot of people who are deeply concerned about our country, of course, be branded like that. we know there's the far right we know there's the far right we know there's a radical islamist, we know these people exist within our society. it's also far left. and, you know, and we know these things. we know these things. we know there's many on the far left would destroy free speech entirely . there is a danger in entirely. there is a danger in the way that starmer posed his response to it, that he's

virtually saying, disagree. if you're worried about the population explosion, you are being categorised as far right and many have taken it that way. >> on purpose. >> on purpose. >> what he said was i don't know about most people are very reasonable, you know. >> well, the reasonable people were out the next day with their shovels and their brooms clearing up the mess that bricky that was putting the wall back up outside the mosque. he's thus the true face of england and the people in our country, the far right mobs with their swastika tattoos and sieg heil salutes are not the true face of the british. >> no, no, no, of course they're not there. >> so let's not give them any less. let's give them no leniency. that's why we need all night sittings in the courts. do you hang them up? >> do you? do you understand , >> do you? do you understand, paul >> do you? do you understand, paul, there is a deep level of disquiet in this country. >> i don't care how disquiet, how much disquiet you feel. you cannot smash up. >> no, no, no, no, i'm not justifying any. i'm not justifying any. i'm not justifying any. i'm not justifying any of this. what i am saying though, there is a deep level of disquiet, am saying though, there is a deep level of disquiet , fear for deep level of disquiet, fear for the future of this country, the way that it's going. people see

our divided communities and that actually what we're seeing are the effects of mass, uncontrolled immigration, making us a very uneasy place. >> i think we're a great advert for multiculturalism, and i think actually our experience in this country has been uniquely good.i this country has been uniquely good. i think, you know, most countries have it far worse. i'm not saying there aren't problems. >> i think that was the case because there are. >> but most people are not rioting tonight . these riots are rioting tonight. these riots are sporadic. >> i've moved beyond the riots. i moved beyond the riots to talk about the growing sense of unease, about our identity, about the breakdown of our communities and where we're going. >> the people robbing shops and looting are not thinking at the back of their mind, this is all about levels of immigration i'm discounting. but those are the rioters. >> i am discounting the extremes i'm talking about. i'm talking about what i think is a bigger underlying problem. andrew you know, you must have heard it in the election campaign. what's happening to our country? what's happening to our country? what's happening to our community. there is disquiet and fear out there . there. >> there is. and my fear is that we've now got an ideologically

left wing government. we have a feeble prime minister who's actually worried about his own party in the divisions that could occur within the labour party, so he's beholden to the left of the labour party. he has to keep them happy. so he's going to push quite a left wing agenda. he's doing it very subtly. but we do have the most left wing government we've ever had in our history. and i worry about what they're going to do. >> i'm sure that keir starmer can be called hard left. >> i didn't say he was hard left, but compare this government to any previous labour government. already in the first month we've seen them following quite a left wing ideologically. >> well, i tell you, he's kept it very well hidden. i tell you what, i tell you what, we're going to come back to all of that because we're going to talk about policy towards israel. >> we're going to talk about the refunding of the un w r a and i'll debate that with both of you in a few minutes time. first, after the break, i'll be joined by patrick christys, who's done an exclusive sit down

interview with tory leadership hopeful priti patel. we'll find out in a moment what had to

tonight at 9:00, it'll be the patrick christys show, and he has got a special guest on tonight . yes, it is pretty patel tonight. yes, it is pretty patel who's running to be conservative leader, and patrick joins me now. big interview with pretty.

what did she have to say? >> well, lots of stuff. and we'll get into all of it. but as even we'll get into all of it. but as ever, nigel, you know, you are never particularly far away from politicians lips. i'm sure you've noticed . really? i you've noticed. really? i thought it was quite interesting because we were both at the tory party conference in manchester and, you know, pretty patel were hanging out a little bit there. there was that video of, you know, both having a little dance at the party and everything you know, and then since then she's rowed back a little bit, i think, on her support for you on a couple of issues. so i wanted to try to drill down into that a little bit and see, well, if priti patel does become the conservative leader and if she then, you know, is the leader of then, you know, is the leader of the opposition and going in to try to be the prime minister, what would that mean for her relationship with you, or would that mean for the conservatives relationship with reform? will have chance to discuss this? i'll play a little. this is just a snippet of it. the full stuff is going out 9 to 11 pm. tonight, but here's a little bit the long standing in front of mine. >> i've known nigel for a long time, and you know, i could debate with him, discuss issues with him, and i'm happy to do that. and you've asked me about

nigel's language . it's no nigel's language. it's no different to what i said about jess phillips right now. we were all democratically elected politicians. we should know the full facts, and we need to be careful about the language that we use publicly, particularly at a very sensitive time, like now. >> all right. so that's one aspect of it. i also went on to talk to her about whether or not she'd be willing to sign all quite vague, really. i mean, i thought it was interesting to put you in the same bracket as jess phillips for a bit of context. what jess phillips said last night was as there was a group of muslim men on a roundabout and not a huge amount of police presence that the really justification for that was that they were worried about the threat from the far right. and for a home office minister to say that i thought that's why they were surrounding a pub and windows got smashed. >> there we are. >> there we are. >> and would you then work with priti patel at all? because what she does go on to say, and i'll play she does go on to say, and i'll play the full interview later on, is that on certain issues, if she was a conservative party leader, you know, she would hope that you would vote with the tories if you agree with them. >> well, in my view on the

conservatives is, is they completely betrayed? trust over the course of not just the last five years, but 14 years? and i think, frankly, they need to be replaced, so i don't see a working accommodation with them at all. and i think there's, i think whoever becomes the leader, i think my view, patrick, is they're so split down the middle that they're going to struggle to be coherent on anything. >> okay. well, it would be interesting to see whether or not there would ever be any point of , of kind of working out point of, of kind of working out some of the aspects of this interview. she was she was kind of boggling, really. the lack of police presence in birmingham. she was very strong on the idea that keir starmer should be recalling parliament now. okay. and saying that which i agree with. so, so, so why do you agree with it ? because the agree with it? because the accusation really is that he's avoiding serious scrutiny. i mean, he's in a cobra meeting now as we speak. so presumably we'll hear from him at some point in the next half an hour or so. but the implication is he's avoiding scrutiny. proper scrutiny by not calling parliament. yeah. >> i mean, look, i said yesterday i thought parliament should be recalled. i think some of the scenes we saw at the weekend were so worrying. the threat to life is at a level

where it needs to be discussed and debated and actually parliament, particularly given parliamentary privilege, which gives people the freedom to really say what they think without fear of being, you know , without fear of being, you know, prosecuted for libel or whatever it may be, i'm sure it would be a very, you know , lively debate. a very, you know, lively debate. and that's putting it quite mildly. interestingly the assembly instalment is coming back to debate this issue, and i never thought i'd see in my life people marching through the streets of belfast, one carrying an ulster flag, arm in arm with someone carrying the irish tricolour. remarkable scenes , tricolour. remarkable scenes, both groups saying they're worried about levels of mass migration into the island of ireland. and this is why i say there is a deeper underlying problem than just some yobs. very dangerous yobs setting fire to hotels. so i, i think there is a big problem. but i mean, in policy terms , you know, how is policy terms, you know, how is priti patel different to the

other candidates from what you can see? >> well, one of the aspects that she she is quite keen to do would be to do things like cancel police leave for example. so we would currently have more police on the street. she does actually go on to give some very interesting views about two tier policing, and about whether or not i policing, and about whether or noti ask policing, and about whether or not i ask her the question specifically, specifically , do specifically, specifically, do you think that politicians and police officers are more inclined to take forceful action against basically white people? yeah. versus elements of the british muslim community. and actually her her answer to that is interesting. i think that she's at least open to that idea. there is another aspect to it. as well, that she she goes on to talk about, which is suella braverman . now, you know, suella braverman. now, you know, i don't particularly like each other very much. right you'll have to wait and see exactly what she said about that. but do you think there's suella could actually join reform ? actually join reform? >> i don't know, it seems she feels very isolated in the conservative party. she's almost sort of said, well, look, no one here agrees with what i stand

for, so maybe she will. maybe she won't. i mean, again, it's not my priority. my priority is to build reform. if people want to build reform. if people want to come, that's great, but i'm not. i'm not going to spend my time chasing them around. >> how does it make you feel when. excuse me? you see people like priti patel there, who i actually think there is not a huge, huge ideological difference genuinely with with you and priti patel, who seemed quite willing to say that, that some of the rhetoric that you have used is akin to that of a home office minister taking this. i mean, what utterly ludicrous . ludicrous. >> but remember, it's a split party and 50% of the conservative party would resign if i was if i was a member of it. i mean, that's where we are , it. i mean, that's where we are, you know, you've got people in the conservative party who've wanted me to join them for years. i've never wanted to join them. and thank goodness i didn't. so i just i don't see didn't. so ijust i don't see how the rift gets healed between the one nation globalists and, you know, the more eurosceptic wing of the party. i don't see that being mended any time soon, >> and is there anybody , anybody

>> and is there anybody, anybody who's standing in this conservative leadership election that you would be more inclined to work with, do you think, than priti patel? no no. >> had i been an mp the last time round, i would have voted for suella braverman, right? she was the only one i thought represented policies that i might back. she's not even a candidate. >> god, you forgot time quickly. i think just about that. labour's operation scatter, as it's been called about these illegal migrants being scattered around the country. >> oh , this. once this gets out, >> oh, this. once this gets out, you wait, you wait . so rather you wait, you wait. so rather than putting people in raf wethersfield or scampton or the bibby stockholm or hotels over 400 at one point now they're going to be put into private accommodation, into council accommodation, into council accommodation that means if your kids are trying to get on the social housing list, they're lower down the queue. if you want to buy rent somewhere that becomes more expensive , this becomes more expensive, this policy is going to backfire massively on labour. >> the reason i asked that is because i've got another scoop tonight, which should be at 9:00. okay. and this is on, i think actually labour's secret

plans for illegal migrants. and given the climate at the moment in tinderbox britain, i think there is a serious risk that this will actually inflame tensions a lot more. they have made a massive mistake here, a massive mistake here. >> and i tell you what, the numbers crossing the channel will not be going down. we're into these now. summer months. well over 3000 have come since keir starmer came to power. and the idea that the limited amount of housing stock, affordable housing stock that we have, either social or private, is going to be squeezed further by young men that across the engush young men that across the english channel is going to make people absolutely furious. >> well, there's going to cut the bill for the taxpayer. >> it won't cut the bill. it won't cut the bill at all, in fact, probably be even more expensive. but it'll just stop the visibility of hotels in town centres . patrick, we look centres. patrick, we look forward to the priti patel interview . patrick on from 9:00 interview. patrick on from 9:00 interview. patrick on from 9:00 in a moment. this government now going to stop selling arms to israel. and why are we funding once again a un agency, some of whose workers took part in the

atrocities on the 7th of

there was enormous pressure 011 there was enormous pressure on labour candidates and the labour leadership during the general election to stop arms being provided and sold to israel, and we get a news report overnight.

british civil servants appear to have suspended the processing of arms export licences for sales to israel, pending the completion of a wider government review into the issue. i'm joined by natasha hausdorff, barrister and legal director of uk lawyers for israel, appear to have suspended. do we know what the truth of this is? >> well, that article was based on evidence that was seen purporting to have suspended licenses for arms exports to israel pending a policy review. it followed a report last week in the mail that suggested a very similar thing had occurred, and rather than a denial, we have simply heard the government repeating that the matter was under review and that there'd been no change in policy. so i think the really concerning question has to be policy aside, what is happening in practice and if this is a decision that has already been taken , despite has already been taken, despite the foreign secretary indicating

he was encouraging an in—depth legal assessment and a comprehensive review, if this is a decision that has apparently already been made , perhaps for already been made, perhaps for political reasons, as you yourself have indicated, then that should be of great concern to anyone that holds any store by policy matters being based on proper review and of course, international law. >> paul richards i mean , the >> paul richards i mean, the labour party, under increasing pressure from the left for maybe five candidates elected as independents on gaza positions, a fear that as the next few years go by, more votes might go that way. and certainly after the riots at the weekend, those divisions sadly bigger than ever before. is this labour rather giving in on israel? well, these decisions can't be driven by demos or even politics. >> in that sense. they are big geopolitical decisions about the future of the middle east. but

also britain's place in the world, which is why i would agree with your point about it being policy led and evidence led and not politics led, and we shouldn't lose sight of the fact that israel is our ally and is under attack on three fronts and will defend itself . will defend itself. >> yes. and interestingly, one of the un agencies, the unrwa, some of their operatives were actually directly involved in the massacres that took place on the massacres that took place on the seventh and the barbarism that took place on the 7th of october. we learned that the labour party is once again going to have the taxpayer funding that organisation. >> that was one of the first decisions that they took. despite the accepted evidence now by the un of complicity of unrwa employees. but the complicity of this un organisation in terrorism before the 7th of october, as well as on it, has been a matter of pubuc on it, has been a matter of public record for some time. it's been a subject of reports by un watch. the israelis have estimated some 450 employees of unwra are in fact linked to a

terrorist organisation. hamas, palestinian islamic jihad, to name just two. so in those contexts, the fact that now taxpayer funded support is being sent to an organisation that has unfortunately, nigel, as its raison d'etre, the perpetuation of the conflict, the content of unread textbooks and unrwa varne schools to encourage it is alarming . alarming. >> it is alarming. andrew rosindell, of course, won't be surprised by this. at all. >> no, the whole thing is alarming. i rather feared that a labour government would take this type of approach. i fear for israel. israel is a democratic country. it's part of the free world. and if we don't stand with israel and we allow extremists and terrorists and outside organisations, iran to fund hezbollah, hamas, the houthis are now getting involved. this is a very dangerous situation for israel. and i think the ultimate objective with these people is to push israel out, to

obliterate israel. and that's what really worries me. so labouris what really worries me. so labour is playing into their hands. >> it would be fair to say, andrew rosindell, that it was the conservative government who went along with obama, who went along with the european union, who went along with the whole, let's be nice to iran policy, which freed up huge amounts of money, which they used to fund these terrorist organisations . these terrorist organisations. >> well, it might have been a conservative government, but it wasn't the kind of policy that many people on the conservative benches, particularly agreed with. but i was one of them, of course. but of course, mistakes have been made. but what we're seeing today is the labour party taking moving in the direction of actually risking the and risking the possibility of israel , risking the possibility of israel, being continuously attacked and not standing with them, which is what we should be doing. >> paul richards, you know, a moment ago you described israel as our ally. and historically, that's always been right. i do think the refunding of this un organisation, given the absolute evidence of some of their operatives being directly

involved in the attacks, no reform of the organisation since then. this is a worrying development. >> well , those links are >> well, those links are definitely worrying. but the aid has to get through. and, you know, if that's the mechanism to achieve that, to stop actual mass starvation, then i can understand must be better ways. i can understand why ministers have decided that it is unpalatable. and those links are proven. and, you know , in due proven. and, you know, in due course need to be sorted out. but right now we need to get food into the ground, don't we? so i can understand it. it's not a pleasant situation for anyone, but i can see why there is a huge split in labour, isn't there israel or palestine or palestine? well, it's not as huge as it has been. i mean, you'll remember perhaps the labour party conference where the whole front row was taken up with palestinian flags. mr corbyn, i mean, that's gone, you know, that's gone. and there really anti—israel anti—semites have been kicked out. and starmer has taken a very tough stance on that. so it's not the same labour party as five years ago. nigel >> same. i mean natasha, paul

makes the point. it's a better party than it was when corbyn was leading it. >> well, i think they're missing the point that andrew pointed out, which is at the crux of this. this is the islamic repubuc this. this is the islamic republic of iran, the war that israel is fighting is now on. unfortunately, on seven fronts. but iran stands behind all of them. and what we have seen, especially with these latest revelations with respect to arms licensing and let's be clear, this is not aid. this is not tax is two separate things. >> of course it is. >> it is referred to. but on the arms licensing front, these are this this is exporting british product for commercial reasons. and doing so in circumstances where every review so far by the last conservative government, by the americans has found that israel is committed to complying with international humanitarian law. nothing has changed. so it's a policy decision that seems to have been driven by politics, which is missing the encouragement that it is giving to the islamic republic. and all of its proxies that are supposed

to be seeking to wipe israel off the map. beginning a massive barrage of firing against the jewish state this evening. >> natasha hausdorf, thank you for joining me. andrew rosindell. forjoining me. andrew rosindell. paul richards, thank you for joining rosindell. paul richards, thank you forjoining me. we've covered some subjects there, but my goodness me , there's a lot my goodness me, there's a lot going on in the world. thank you all for joining going on in the world. thank you all forjoining me all i will say is it does feel to be increasingly that israel is just running out of friends all over the world. they're in a very, very tight spot indeed, and i just feel that the pressure on this labour government that's going to come from the left and the growing threat of that sectarian vote is something that will force labour further and further away from israel. that's my fear. jacob rees—mogg takes over with state of the nation in just a moment. jacob, what is your top line? >> well, we're going to be talking about, two tier care and the extraordinary thing that he's now saying policing is uniform across the country. but he took the knee 48 hours after

the riots in bristol, which led to the colston statue being pulled down. so when it was black lives matter, he supported disorder. he gave credence to disorder. he gave credence to disorder. and now he's saying it's only one form of policing. but i think what he did is part of the problem. >> it's not just elon musk, jacob rees—mogg to calling him two tier care. let's have a look at the weather with alex burkill and see you tomorrow . and see you tomorrow. >> looks like things are heating up. boxt boilers sponsors of weather on . gb. news weather on. gb. news >> evening. it's time for your gb news, weather forecast from the met office. looking further ahead and there will be some rain at times for many of us as we go through thursday and friday, but for the time being, we're changing to something a bit cooler, a bit blustery and a bit cooler, a bit blustery and a bit showery because there's an area of low pressure to the northwest of the uk and this is driving some showery bursts across parts of the uk for many

central and eastern parts of england, and also eastern scotland, it's actually going to be a largely dry night with some clear skies, but further west we have quite a few showers piling in and some of them could be a little bit on the heavy side. most notable, perhaps in the south will be the fresher feel to things. temperatures will be a good few degrees lower than they were last night, perhaps a bit more comfortable for sleeping. taking a closer look at first thing tomorrow morning, then across much of central southern england, it's looking like a bright, fine start, but some showers across parts of the south—west and also some showers for parts of wales as well, and northwest england too . northwest england too. meanwhile, northeast england, starting the day largely dry . starting the day largely dry. quite a few showers across northern ireland, but it's across scotland, where we're going to have the heaviest, most persistent rain. some showery rain making its way north eastwards as we go through the morning. this rain could cause some problems on the roads , some problems on the roads, could be some spray around, perhaps even a little bit of localised flooding, but it does clear away northwards as we go through the morning and breaks up. so just turning quite showery across scotland and also

across many northern and western parts through much of the day, towards the south and east you have a greater chance of avoiding those showers. and here we'll have the highest temperatures, highs of around 2324. so not quite as high as they have been recently. more wet weather to come as we go through towards the end of the week. there are a series of fronts waiting to come in from the west, so most of us will see some rain arriving as we go through thursday and there could be a bit more rain to come as we go through friday as well. all the time. it's likely to be quite blustery or breezy, and so that will add to the relatively cool feel to things. considering it is august by by a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on gb news