100 down the hatches as up to 100 major riots were expected, but it simply didn't happen. was the whole thing a huge, gigantic , whole thing a huge, gigantic, expensive hoax? and stormont was recalled today? yes, northern irish politicians having their chance to debate the troubles that have been going on in belfast, which have replicated much of what we've seen across the rest of the uk, and indeed in the republic over the course of the last year. if they can have a debate, why on earth can't we? and if you are somebody who's very worried about global warming and a fan of net zero, i've got real bad news for you . coal is making news for you. coal is making a dramatic comeback . but before dramatic comeback. but before all of that, let's get more news with cameron walker . with cameron walker. >> thanks, nigel. good evening. it's 7:00. cameron walker here in the gb newsroom. the final child injured in the southport stabbings has been discharged from hospital and will continue her recovery at home. according to merseyside police six year

old b.b. to merseyside police six year old bb. king, nine year old alice dasilva aguiar and seven year old elsie dot stancombe died after a mass stabbing at a taylor swift themes dance class in the seaside town last week. the family of the injured victim , the family of the injured victim, discharged today, expressed gratitude to the royal manchester children's hospital for its support and care during what they called this challenging time . meanwhile, two challenging time. meanwhile, two rioters have each been sentenced to two years and eight months in prison for violent disorder on merseyside. 43 year old john o'malley admitted violent disorder, while 69 year old william morgan admitted to violent disorder and possessing an offensive weapon. more than 50 police officers were injured as protesters hurled bricks, lit fires and threw bottles a day after the southport attacks in london tonight, the prime minister is chairing another cobra meeting with law enforcement officials to reflect on last night and plan for the coming days. the third high level gathering of its kind in

the last week, he's been joined by senior ministers , including by senior ministers, including the home secretary, yvette coopen the home secretary, yvette cooper, who said the ramped up police response to potential further riots would continue and suggested it was having an impact on stemming days of disorder. police had expected more than 100 events and deployed thousands of officers. the prime minister also said earlier today the additional police presence is having an effect . effect. >> most important lesson is for those involving themselves in disorder , because what we've disorder, because what we've seen is that those that are being arrested now numbered in their hundreds, many have been charged, some already in court, and now a number of individuals sentenced to terms of imprisonment. that is a very important message to those involved in disorder. >> and police have ramped up efforts to pursue rioters as the total number of arrests rises to 483 charges total 149, with that figure expected to rise significantly as investigations

continue. the met's police made ten arrests over the violent disorder outside downing street last week, launching raids in london this morning and a suspended labour councillor has been arrested after footage emerged of him online in which he allegedly incited the murder of anti—immigration protesters. met's police officers say they arrested a man in his 50s at an address in south—east london, under the public order act. he is in custody at south london police station, a labour party spokesperson previously told gb news his alleged actions are completely unacceptable and it will not be tolerated. a second greater manchester police officer is under criminal investigation for assault after an incident at manchester airport last month. it comes after a video emerged of a man appearing to be kicked and punched by a police officer inside a terminal building. the independent police watchdog had previously announced. a constable was under criminal investigation, but says it has since received a further

referral of complaint. the second officer is also being investigated for potential gross misconduct for alleged breaches of police professional standards, including use of force , nhs waiting lists have force, nhs waiting lists have risen for the third month in a row, according to new figures. health secretary wes streeting claims the numbers confirm , and claims the numbers confirm, and i quote, 14 years of conservative neglect has left the nhs broken. but there was a sharp decline in the number of people waiting, the longest to start treatment today. he's spoken of gp's threats to take strike action. >> i think collective action at this stage would not only hurt patients, it would also put more pressure on other parts of the nhs when frankly, as a whole, nhs when frankly, as a whole, nhs team we need to pull together so we can take the nhs from the worst crisis in its history to getting it back on its feet and making sure it's fit for the future. >> a banksy artwork has been removed from an area in south london less than an hour after

it was unveiled. the silhouette of a wolf howling on a satellite dish was posted to the bristol based artist's instagram this afternoon, but a number of men tookit afternoon, but a number of men took it from a roof in peckham, pushing a passer by who challenged them with a ladder. it's unknown where the artwork has been taken. and finally, great britain's ellie aldridge has become the first ever olympic gold medallist in kite surfing at today's events in marseille. the discipline, which sees competitors fly above the water at up to 40 knots, powered by huge kites, is making its games debut this year. 27 year old aldridge, from dorset, powered her way to gold by winning both races in the final series. today well, those are the latest gb news headlines. for now i'm cameron walker. now it's back to nigel for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone. >> sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code, or go to gbnews.com forward slash alerts .

gbnews.com forward slash alerts. >> lunchtime. yesterday i heard they were going to be 39. major protests around the country, all of which could lead potentially to violence and riots. crikey, i thought that's a very big number, but at the time i left here last night at 8:00, we were told there could be up to 100 of these major protests, with up to 30 planned counter protests going to take place across the country. and britain was literally battening down the hatches. there were market towns in england where gp appointments had been cancelled all afternoon. hospitals have been reducing their services. retailers were closing shops, spending money on on wood and boarding up their premises, and then what happened? well, not really very much at all, and it kind of turns out that there was a post on a telegram group, saying, you know, it's time to mask up and go out there and do your stuff, it turned out that

organisations that call themselves anti—fascist groups were very mobilised and organised with their printed banners, and they turned up in big numbers in walthamstow and i think in brighton and many other parts of the country too, and kind of, you know, think about it really one of the biggest policing operations we've ever seen. goodness knows what the cost of this whole thing was. was it some gigantic, enormous, expensive hoax? i'd love to get your thoughts farage @gbnews .com. but you know, it's funny. if you looked at the media today, especially the bbc, etc, you would have thought, well, it's absolutely marvellous, isn't it, that all these wonderful people have come out onto the streets to stop this, this beastly behaviour that we've seen over the last week? and i have no doubt the vast majority of those that did turn out on these so—called counter protests genuinely wanted to see peace, law and order and decency returned on our streets. but what i've learned very much to my cost over the years is those

people , the bekind brigade, people, the bekind brigade, aren't always quite as kind as you may think. this was a speech given in walthamstow last night . given in walthamstow last night. by given in walthamstow last night. by her, we've got children and women using those trains just dunng women using those trains just during the summer holidays. >> they are disgusting, nasty and we need to go that route and get rid of them all. i just want to say thank you all. i'm going to say thank you all. i'm going to leave you now. >> and three, three free, free, free palestine, free, free palestine. thank you. god bless you . you. >> before i comment on that, i'm going to throw back to our newsreader, cameron walker, with an update from the usa. >> thank you nigel. well, we're just going to cross live to florida where former president donald trump is holding a news conference that hasn't received

one vote for president . one vote for president. >> and she's running. and that's fine with me. but we were given joe biden, and now we're given somebody else . and i think, somebody else. and i think, frankly, i'd rather be running against the somebody else. but that was their choice. they decided to do that because kamala's record is horrible. she's a radical left person at a level that nobody's seen . she level that nobody's seen. she picked a radical left , man, that picked a radical left, man, that is, he's got things done that he he has positions that are just not. it's not even possible to believe that they exist , he's believe that they exist, he's going for things that nobody's ever even heard of. heavy into the transgender world, heavy into lots of different worlds having to do with safety. he doesn't want to have borders. he doesn't want to have borders. he doesn't want to have borders. he doesn't want to have walls. he doesn't want to have walls. he doesn't want to have walls. he doesn't want to have any form of safety for our country. he doesn't mind people coming in from prisons, and neither does

he, i guess because he's not, she couldn't care less. she's the border tsar, by the way. she was the border tsar 100%. and all of a sudden, for the last few weeks, she's not the border tsar anymore. like nobody ever said it . and i just hope that said it. and i just hope that the media becomes more diligent, more honest , frankly. because if more honest, frankly. because if they're not going to be honest, it's going to be much tougher to bnng it's going to be much tougher to bring our country back. we have a very, very sick country right now, you saw the other day with the stock market crashing. that was just the beginning. that was just the beginning. it's going to get worse. it's going to get a lot worse in my opinion. and, fortunately, we've had some very good polls over the last fairly short period of time. rasmussen came out today, were substantially leading, and others came out today that we're leading. and in some cases substantially, i guess miss nbc came out or cnbc came out also with a poll that was, you know, has us leading and leading fairly big in swing states in

some polls. i'm leading very big in swing states because they want safety. people want safety, they want security. they want respect. all around the world for our country. they don't want this , this horrible, culture this, this horrible, culture thatis this, this horrible, culture that is developing a culture of no common sense. it's really a culture of no common sense. and it's not what anyone wants. we want to have a safe country. we want to have a safe country. we want to have a safe country. we want to have a strong military. we want low interest rates, and we want to be able to have the american dream. we want to be able to have our youth be able to buy homes, housing, get good jobs. and we're really just at the opposite, right now. it's so it's so sad to see, but as a border tsar, she's been the worst border tsar in history in the world. history. i think the number is 20 million, but whether it's 15 or 20, it's numbers that nobody's ever heard before. 20 million people came over the border in the last dunng over the border in the last during the biden harris administration . 20 million administration. 20 million people. and it could be very much higher than that. nobody really knows what the number is.

nobody knows. nobody has a clue. and, the gotaways, they call them the gotaways. the gotaways are at numbers. somebody was quizzing me on it. the other day. no, no, i don't think so, sir. i don't think so, they have noidea sir. i don't think so, they have no idea what those numbers are, but they're much higher than you would think. just like far more people were killed in the ukraine—russia war than you ever report. just like the october 7th would have never happened. russia would have never hit ukraine had the election result been called differently , it was been called differently, it was a very bad call, but russia would not have attacked ukraine. october 7th in israel would have never happened. you wouldn't have inflation. a lot of great things would have happened. but now you have millions and millions of dead people, and you have people dying financially because they can't buy bacon, they can't buy food, they can't buy groceries, they can't do anything. and they're living horribly in our country right now . with all of that being now. with all of that being said, i think it's very

important to have debates, and we've agreed with fox on a date of september 4th. we've agreed with nbc fairly full agreement subject to them on september 10th, and we've agreed with abc on september 25th. so we have those three dates and, those networks, they're very anxiously awaiting that date and those dates. so we have september fourth, september 10th and september 25th. we have spoken to the heads of the network, and it's all been confirmed , other it's all been confirmed, other than some fairly minor details, audience , some location. which audience, some location. which which city would we put it into? but all things that will be settled very easily. very. i think it'll be very easy. the other side has to agree to the terms. they may or may not

agree. i don't know if they're going to agree. they former president trump, they're speaking in mar—a—lago, florida, where he warns that the us is heading towards depression. >> he also warns that we are very close to a world war and confirms that he has agreed to a number of tv debates in the run up to the election. now it's back to nigel farage. >> i'm joined in the studio by lloyd russell—moyle , former mp lloyd russell—moyle, former mp for brighton and hove, and kwasi kwarteng, former chancellor of exchequer, former mp and former energy minister, which will be relevant later on this evening in the show. okay. so what trump was saying there, lloyd, was there are three potential big pubuc there are three potential big public debates. that must be a good thing, mustn't it? because i'm not sure the american public have seen that much of kamala harris. >> well, she has been their vice president for the last four years. i know, and yet and yet. yes, but but, but but your point is taken. i think that will be very interesting . i can't see very interesting. i can't see why the democrats wouldn't accept those three dates. i think i was listening to that there, and he was sounding now

like the slightly doddery old man. and what kamala needs to do is come above that, not try and go on that level and seeing the young, dynamic, forward looking person, if she doesn't do that and she ends up looking worse off against trump, then they will be in very big trouble. but i think that there is more opportunity there for the republicans, for the democrats, and kamala than there is for donald. but you never know how these things go. >> no, no, no, i mean, kwasi the one thing you can tell, i think it's pretty obvious donald trump would much have preferred joe biden much , much. biden much, much. >> i mean, i mean, that's the problem his campaign has had because they've essentially focused all their guns , their focused all their guns, their ammunition. if i can use that metaphor on joe biden. and of course, he's been substituted at this last, the last minute by a very different sort of character in terms of profile, in terms of demographics. and i think they're struggling to adjust. i suspect trump will win. i still

think he'll win, but i think it's a much more challenging prospect for him than it was. >> yeah, but it also makes the debates really genuinely interesting. i mean, lloyd makes the point. she's been the vp, she's been the vp for four years, but she's been pretty invisible. well, that's the thing that presidents often do. >> they try and keep the vp, you know, in a in a box because they don't want to be overshadowed by the vice president. but then, of course, biden, i think, wanted to run again. we all know that his debate was disastrous. >> the question is, will the electorate believe that they've not seen anything of her, or will they believe she was busy in the background and she's got a track record and that's all down to the democrats and how they sell her. >> do you know what? it depends how she performs. yeah. i think suddenly these debates take on an enormous significance, i think is a good thing. back briefly to where we were, i showed you that clip, the man who was making those very, very unpleasant comments. his name is ricky jones, labour councillor. i'm pleased to say he has now been removed as a labour councillor and subsequently arrested. but isn't it, you know , arrested. but isn't it, you know, despite what he said, horrible things that he said. big

applause from the crowd . and applause from the crowd. and free, free palestine. what the hell has free free palestine got to do with the events of this week? lloyd you were in brighton last night. i think there were about sort of four protesters and a thousand couple of counter—protesters. but i mean , counter—protesters. but i mean, how how well organised was the so—called counter—protest ? so—called counter—protest? clearly, quite clearly quite big. >> well, i think first of all, i don't think it was not a hoax that people were putting out that people were putting out that they were going to turn up. some people did turn up. it wasn't a hoax that these places had been identified. but clearly the idea that the far right, rioters and people who've been terrorising the streets are organised is not true . what it organised is not true. what it is that there are a band of people who are running around causing mayhem, inspired by a lot of people on social media.

i'm afraid some of your comments that have been spun out and you've had the most disgusting, you've had the most disgusting, you've had the most disgusting, you've had those discussions. i think that probably you should, you should, you should have moderated some of those comments and you have noticed and you have and you have quite rightly said that you got waylaid by certain bits of information. >> no, no, no, lloyd, all i asked for was i wanted to know the identity of the man that could have murdered those. >> and as you know, there are many reasons why the police can't do that, including when someone's under 18. this person was, and they did. >> and in the end, they did because they went to the court. >> and the court allowed the person's name to be released. but you were asking the police to break the law because they would have had to release it before they went to court. where do you release a minor's name and you know, i didn't know he was 17. >> i didn't know anything. >> i didn't know anything. >> i didn't know anything. >> i know that there are laws that mean that police can't release names immediately. for many different reasons. would you clever enough, man, to know that you know what? do you know what that you then doubled down on it rather than saying hands up! actually, i was wrong there.

i was wrong about that. and actually, what i should have doneis actually, what i should have done is told, people, take a breather. we'll find this in good time. and actually what's important is you don't go suddenly the world has changed to take a breather actually was a disaster. >> and the reason is, and the reason is that out there, there were all sorts of theories speculating the southport riots happened on the scale. they happened on the scale. they happened because of the lack of information . and i think the information. and i think the police i think ministers, given we're in a social media age, need to rethink how we put information. that's a fair point. >> that is a fair point that is a very fair point. but that that the game has changed, that you should have expressed, not. police tell us, knowing that the police can't currently tell you if you've gone out in parliament and said , actually, i think that and said, actually, i think that this has been exaggerated because we couldn't tell. we need to review the rules and laws which don't allow us to do this immediately. i think that would have been a very fair point. >> you know, when the london bridge attack happened, within an hour, we knew the person had been on because they weren't under 18. >> but i think, i think what was what we've seen this weekend or this, this last day is clearly it's not organised, but these

were real targets that were being circulated online. but there were far too many and there were far too many and there aren't that many. there aren't that many fascists and far right in this country to ever cover the hundreds. i think that's the real point. i think on the other side of the argument, what is clear is the country broadly and ordinary people in this country are a bit fed up with their shops being smashed up and people running amok in their country. smashed up and people running amok in their country . and so amok in their country. and so they're and what they've done is come out in large numbers. and organisations like hope not hate , organisations like hope not hate, of course. let me just finish because because your accusation is that they printed these these hope not hate. let me hope not. >> hate are an anti—fascist organisation who target conservatives and reform. >> but these organisations have banners around stopping racism that are in warehouses because they do anti—racism marches and demonstrations very regularly. theidea demonstrations very regularly. the idea that they had kind of planned it for this day, i think they were well organised. >> they were well kwasi. the truth is, yes, we do have, you know, you can call it the

football hooligan wing or whatever you want, and that exists, but it is actually very small. i agree, i think it's exaggerated to make a political point . point. >> and i also feel that the underlying causes of the riots, and this is a point you've made. i've made it other people have made people aren't looking at that. so it's all been about essentially the far right and thugs. there's also an element of criminality. there are people who are not remotely political and looting going on. >> yeah, yeah. >> yeah, yeah. >> and then we've got to actually consider yeah , it was actually consider yeah, it was crude. it was some of it was violent. but there's genuine concerns and you'll know this as an mp. i certainly knew it representing my seat about the levels of immigration. and that's an important part of the debate. >> yeah. there is i tell you what i'm going to have to call time there, in a moment, we'll talk to dame arlene foster because stormont was recalled today to have a proper debate about this. and yet we can't have a debate in westminster. i wonder why

i'm joined down the line by dame arlene foster, the former first minister of northern ireland, at stormont. arlene was recalled today, some pretty extraordinary scenes in the last week. yes. horrible violence, arrests , horrible violence, arrests, intimidation. and yet what i see people from both divides of the community marching arm in arm in the streets of belfast with their own flag, something quite big is happening there, isn't it? >> well, it's lovely to be with you, nigel. and to reflect on what's been going on in northern ireland over this past week or more. i think it was right to call the assembly, on reflection today, to have a debate, many times we're called back to debate issues, but i think it was right to call it today. first of all, of course, to reject the violence and the thuggery and the looting that took place in many areas of our city, our great capital city,

over this past few days , and over this past few days, and some of the mlas were also gracious enough to understand that there's something else going on that in some of the areas of belfast, there are real concerns that need to be addressed, and i think that those concerns haven't really got an airing. they need to get an airing and they need to be listened to. of course, you have to protect the ethnic minority communities. of course you have to protect their businesses. you have to make them feel that they're welcome. you have to say to the health care workers that they're doing a great job in many of our hospitals , but you many of our hospitals, but you can protect and listen as well. and i think what we need to do is absolutely listen to some of those concerns that have been raised with many people over this past number of days, and i really object to labelling everybody as racists , as nazi everybody as racists, as nazi scum, which has been labelled as some working class people in belfast. i totally reject that. of course, there are people who are going to travel, to, to

engagein are going to travel, to, to engage in violence. and indeed, unfortunately, nigel, i have to say, as well that some of the paramilitaries are seeing it as an opportunity for them to gain control again. and that's absolutely to be rejected. but that doesn't take away from the fact that, of course, we need a police presence. we need a police presence. we need a police reaction to what's going on. but we also need to listen. and goodness, if northern ireland can tell us anything about what's going on, it's that we need to listen to some of those real and genuine concerns that are there. >> arlene , thank you very much >> arlene, thank you very much indeed for summing that up so beautifully for us. i'm joined in the studio by stephen pound, who of course, a former shadow minister of northern ireland, arlene, made the point there that i thought was very relevant that i thought was very relevant that some of the paramilitary type operations who've been dormant but not dissolved completely, if only they had been dormant. >> nigel, i'm sorry. there's a very serious, ongoing investigation at the moment. >> there's a person was lifted today who's in the musgrave in

the derry strabane region. there have been three people arrested. there's some serious things happening. look, john bucha, the chief constable, who, you know , chief constable, who, you know, has issued a statement today warning of unrest tomorrow. and this is i know this is not the same thing that you were referring to last night about, you know, panicking everything. this is actually cold intelligence because what first minister arlene foster actually rightly says is that the paramilitaries will seize the vacuum and they will move into it . but the first thing you have it. but the first thing you have to remember when you talk about your substantive question why stormont has been. yeah. and why not westminster. yeah. look every single article, every single book about jurisprudence on policing in the united kingdom has to have a sentence at the end of it saying, not in northern ireland. northern the police force is entirely different. they're armed. they're a different uniform. and the population in northern ireland is under 2 million. it's about half a dozen london boroughs. so you have much more direct control from stormont of the policing through the police board than you do in this country. >> that's a good point. that's a good point. but don't you think, given the level of concern and the level of violence we've seen here over the course of the last

week, that it would have been useful for westminster to be recalled? >> i think it would have been a gesture. nigel and you're not, you know, one for that. i think what we need to do is to actually realise that some of the metro mayors of both parties are the key people here, and i think the metro mayors in liverpool, you know, district and in manchester. yeah, they're the ones who actually should have come to the fore on this. and i think had parliament been recalled and i was in parliament for years, i think we got recalled about 3 or 4 times. we got recalled in 2011 when we had the riots in london. i know we did well. that was it was completely out of control. i think what's happened here is and incidentally, keir starmer was the dpp in 2011 and i wish he'd acted a little bit, a little bit more robustly then. but that's water under. look what's happening here is anything that detracts from what the government is doing, i think is actually not actually doing the country any good. we have got a grip on this. i think i by acting very, very robustly. and when you see, you know , four when you see, you know, four people on a traffic island representing the but and the other interesting thing is, if i may say, the story that you broke a couple of hours ago about ricky jones , who is about ricky jones, who is fortunately, he's now had the

labour whip removed from him , labour whip removed from him, talking about slitting throats, talking about slitting throats, talking about slitting throats, talking about palestine, surrounded by people, clapping and cheering. you just realise that this actually does need a direction from the national leadership as well as from the local well, and that's why i think actually parliament would have been useful to be recalled. >> but going back to going back to northern ireland, it's very interesting. you've got irish nationalists literally arm in arm in the street with unionists saying levels of immigration are too high in northern ireland over the last year in the republic, these protests have been regular and fires have been, you know, fires outside hotels. and so a lot been happening, which we've been ignonng happening, which we've been ignoring completely , ignoring completely, >> i don't think we've been ignonng >> i don't think we've been ignoring it in the irish press. >> well, no, but i think, i think mainstream british media have not been talking about it. >> i think you're right that i mean, we've had a particularly horrible murder, you know, with a young woman in, who was actually murdered by somebody who was an immigrant. you have issues like that. but i think first minister arlene foster and ihave first minister arlene foster and i have been to many, many funerals in our time. and i

remember one we did go to was of lyra mckee, who was murdered dunng lyra mckee, who was murdered during a demonstration in derry. it's a different scale when you talk about riots in northern ireland. you know, guns are. >> are you fearful, steve, with your experience and your knowledge of northern ireland, are you fearful to be honest , i are you fearful to be honest, i don't want to be alarmist, but i am fearful simply because tensions are running very high. >> i never would have thought that the scenes we saw in dublin a couple of months ago would have taken place. dublin and ireland. the republic had a reputation of being a very tolerant, very welcoming place. you know, it's a country that knows a lot about immigration. yeah. and what we actually saw on the streets and in a couple and in limerick and tipperary, various other places was deeply, deeply worrying. but the thing that worries me the most, nigel, is always in northern ireland. there is the potential for something worse and that's because northern ireland is not like gb right now. >> very strong point, well made as ever. stephen pound, thank you very much indeed. in a moment we discussed the taylor swift concert that was cancelled for fear of a terrorist attack. could it potentially have been something like the ariana grande

concert that we saw a few years ago in our country? and what potentially does it mean for

us? well, a lot of very disappointed people. they got their taylor swift tickets to go to see her in austria, and it was cancelled for fear of a terrorist threat. but to give us a bit more detail on that is friend of the program, chris phillips , former program, chris phillips, former head of the national counter terrorism security office. chris, we've all been rather obsessed with what's been happening in the united kingdom over the course of the last few days, give us the give us the lowdown, please, on what's happened here. >> well, i mean, it's just a reminder , really, that terrorism reminder, really, that terrorism and, islamic state terrorism, especially is still a major issue right across europe, and what we've seen today is two

young men, radicalised online by the sound of it, who intended to blow up and kill as many people at a, at a music concert, a taylor swift concert in vienna and, you know, it could easily have been successful. they they were clearly making, a bomb of tatp, by the looks of it, and also had the intention to kill people with knives and guns and things. so, listen, this threat is still there, nigel, as you very well know. and it's a problem right across europe. >> yeah, really? really is . and >> yeah, really? really is. and i mean, clearly a success for intelligence in austria , do we intelligence in austria, do we know whether this was a i think it was . it was. >> yeah, i think it was actually, from the us, the, the intelligence probably from the five eyes, i, i do know for a fact that the five eyes have more intelligence about what, what's going on across europe than than they do themselves. and i think it was us

intelligence that probably tipped off the authorities in vienna. but however it was done , vienna. but however it was done, it was it's been dealt with very well. hopefully they've got everyone involved and there's no one else, lingering, waiting to attack , but i think, i think attack, but i think, i think taylor swift's management team, probably after the incident in, southport, i think they would probably be a bit concerned about another incident linked to their, their superstar, chris phillips. >> thank you very much indeed, lloyd. i was i've been saying for some time that i think a lot of young men crossing the engush of young men crossing the english channel without identity documents poses a genuine threat to national security, particularly as isis boasted in 2015 they would use the mediterranean route to put their operatives into europe. and it was interesting in the election campaign that keir starmer said he also thought that what was happening in the channel was a national security crisis . national security crisis. intelligence succeeded here. i think we've probably our

intelligence services are thwarted. you know, a good many attempts, is there anything we can do ? is there anything we can can do? is there anything we can do? the government can do to stop this ? stop this? >> well, i think there are things you can try and do to stop home—grown radicalisation . stop home—grown radicalisation. and there are. i know it's controversial, but there the prevent programme has successfully tried to divert people from different forms of radicalisation and that works. and making sure that we have people in, religious settings and people who are leaders who are preaching moderation. i mean, i personally believe these should all be regulated. the state should regulate religion. that's how it should be, not the other way around. and it's quite right that sometimes we step in when you have preachers saying the wrong things. the problem is we're in the world wide web world now. and so there's always a limit that any individual state can do. that's why we need strong intelligence. but that's also why we need strong community led intelligence as

well. and that particularly is around police officers and our other intelligence services building up long term strong relations in communities. and some of that can seem very soft on the front of it. it can seem like youth clubs and youth services. well, where you then have or prisons professionals who pick those things up and then feed them to the right. >> i agree with everything you said, but i also accept the fact that, you know, having not having secure borders increases the risk. i mean, that's isn't that anyone disagrees on that . that anyone disagrees on that. >> yeah. that's. yeah. well, no, i mean i think it's a really big issue. this was the issue, you know, when i was in parliament before you arrived, you know, we were bedevilled by this. >> i mean, this is a whole rwanda scheme. all of these schemes that we had, and rishi sunak actually put it as one of his five priorities. and i'm afraid it was one of those ones that where we conspicuously failed , to deal with it. and failed, to deal with it. and i think this is a big problem for the incumbent government, >> yeah. you were there , kwasi. >> yeah. you were there, kwasi. you were there all through that penod you were there all through that period of government, all through that, when we saw, you know, persistent threats. okay.

one aspect of it is the channel. it's not the only aspect of it by far. radicalisation in prisons elsewhere, major, major problems , do you think the problems, do you think the organisations we have in place that prevent program etc, are they doing their job properly? so look, i think it's a it's a, it's a, it's a mixed picture, >> i think some of the institutions we have are amazing institutions we have are amazing in terms of the intelligence gathering. i was very struck as a cabinet minister when ukraine, when putin invaded ukraine, our intelligence was second to none at that point. but then there were other institutions of the state that aren't working at that level, and i think that, you know, it's a job of the politicians to make sure that those institutions are better equipped and better managed to do their job. but there are bits do theirjob. but there are bits of the british state that are that are second to none. i think our intelligence. >> well, it's interesting, wasn't it, that chris phillips made the point that actually it was probably the five eyes intelligence, five eyes, which which is a feather in the cap. >> but if we're saying that the

border is the problem, then i think the question is what are the solutions not to once they're here, deport them, actually. but to stop people coming over. and i think that does mean that you need to look at, processing in other countries, not not processing. once you get here, fly somewhere around the world. but actually we've got a processing centre in france. you're in the channel. we'll we'll take you back right now. i'll tell you what to be processed. >> i'll tell you what. 4000 across the channel. since keir became prime minister this is a debate that will not go away less than ten years ago. >> are coming over illegally. >> are coming over illegally. >> yeah, well, they were coming in backs of lorries and. and which was just as dangerous from a security and we checked. yes. it was just this is more visible in a moment. we debated net zero last night. we had on the programme people who were very programme people who were very pro net zero. in a moment we're going to talk about the coal combat. borisjohnson going to talk about the coal combat. boris johnson said. going to talk about the coal combat. borisjohnson said. it's the end of coal. i don't think so. we'll debate all of that in just a moment. the end of

know boris johnson. it's not the end of coal quite the reverse. interesting. glencore, one of the biggest mining companies in the biggest mining companies in the world, went to their big shareholders in london over the course of the last few weeks and said, shall we divest of our coal mining division? oh no, said the investors. it's the most profitable bit of your business. please keep coal. and this is happening. esg investing, as it was known, is coming to an end as pension funds, funds and others realise that fossil fuels still have a big future regardless of what we do in this country. one final thought on coal . think about thought on coal. think about this. it is projected that in the year 2024, on the planet, we will burn 8.4 billion tons of coal. think about that. 8.4 billion tons of coal, more coal

than has ever been burned before. now, last night i was having a very big debate with environmentalists about net zero and the cost of renewable energy. here's a little clip . energy. here's a little clip. intermittency and cost are still problems that we haven't yet overcome in any way, have we? >> we have overcome it. the intermittency has been handled by a smarter grid. and what that does two things. it makes it cheapen does two things. it makes it cheaper, and it means we have to build less infrastructure. and what has happened in the last 15 years is the price of renewables. have they were 15 years ago? you're right. they were expensive. we had to invest in them now and the poor paid for it now. now they are cheaper than than fossil fuels . than than fossil fuels. >> our people speak with great authority on how wonderful and cheap wind energy is going to be. how we can store energy and have a new grid. well, lord ridley, matt ridley wrote a piece in the telegraph today that i thought was absolutely fascinating, matt, welcome to the program. there was a number in your article today. i want

you to explain to the great british public. so let's say we become increasingly reliant on wind, but we get a bit a big anticyclone over the north sea in february and the turbines don't turn. but it's okay according to the industries, because we can use batteries to store the electricity . you put a store the electricity. you put a number in today's daily telegraph as to what that might potentially cost . potentially cost. >> yeah, a battery that can store 12 hours of electricity for the uk, which is a lot, would be £300 billion right now. we can store minutes worth in in smaller batteries and so on. but that's pretty expensive too. it's just very difficult to store electricity and very wasteful by the way you put it into the battery, you get out, you don't get as much out as you put in. so that is not really a practical solution to the intermittency problem of solar and wind, which, as you say on a dark february evening when the wind is still, can suddenly drop

from producing a significant quantity of energy to almost nothing. and so at the moment, we solve that by firing up gas fired power stations to keep the grid going. but the more wind and solar we put on the grid, the more expensive it's going to be to keep those backup operations ticking over. and by the way, your guest is wrong . the way, your guest is wrong. it's not cheaper than fossil fuels. there was a couple of years after the ukraine invasion , years after the ukraine invasion, when the price of wind did become below the price of gas fired electricity briefly, but it's back above it , it's back above it, significantly above it, particularly offshore wind , way particularly offshore wind, way higher than the price of generating electricity from gas. so if we're going to have these gas fired power stations produced ready to produce electricity at the drop of a hat when the wind drops, why don't we just use them instead ? we just use them instead? >> so does this mean that ed miliband's promise during the election campaign that we would have cheaper energy bills as a

result of quadrupling of offshore wind? is impossible to achieve? >> yes it is. it's simply impossible. the price of offshore wind is not coming down. look at the capex and opex of those companies. so even the hope that it will come down in the future is not looking very rosy. they're not lasting as long. they're not as efficient. they the output is not as great as they were hoping you get big wind droughts in 2021, they produced only 35% of the time in 2022, it was 45%. so you get big variations from year to year. so the problem of intermittency has not been solved . you can pump not been solved. you can pump water uphill, but we haven't got enough mountains. you can pump, air into caverns underground . we air into caverns underground. we haven't got nearly enough capacity to do that. in the end, the promise of the smart grid was mentioned by your guest last night. that means basically draining your car's battery overnight to help keep the

lights on for someone else. well, that's not going to be very popular with people. when you wake up in the morning and find that you can't drive your car because it's flat. >> matt ridley, thank you very much indeed for coming on and making those points. and never let it be said, folks, that you don't hear all sides of arguments here on gb news. well, lloyd russell—moyle some really quite strong. i'm going to say facts put there by matt ridley intermittency with solar and wind is a massive problem still. >> well , intermittency with >> well, intermittency with solar is not so much of a problem. it's a scheduled intermittency . and whilst there intermittency. and whilst there are some days that are a bit more cloudy than other days, broadly the sun shines at scheduled times and i can predict what the sun's going to be shining in two years time. in ten years time, it's astrology isn't it? or it's whatever that movement of the movement of the planets is. >> but just, just, just briefly,

the point i was making was the anticyclone in february that sits over the north sea. gives fog as well. >> yes, but but but broadly, broadly, those things are pretty predictable. wind does have some more intimacy. and that has always been the discussion and i think the idea that we will have a grid and the use of the grid like we do at the moment, if we want to move to renewables, does have to change. that does mean that people, not that you'll have big battery centres per se, but people will have to have batteries in their houses. >> but the problem is it won't be cheaper . be cheaper. >> well, it might be cheaper, but the problem actually, i don't think is residential, actually residential. we can nudge with pricing to get people to do things, and we can get people to draw the energy when it's basically free, and we can then use it overnight. and for 12 hour periods. people, most people aren't in their home all the time. it's fine. actually. the problem will be industry. some of our industries that run 24 hours, aluminium smelters,

for example , we used to have for example, we used to have a lovely one up in anglesey. >> well, actually that's been kwasi spring kwasi because because during your time we boasted that we reduced carbon dioxide emissions more than anywhere else in the world. we lost the aluminium smelters , lost the aluminium smelters, we've lost most of our refineries, we've lost most of our chemical industry, and we've lost nearly all of our primary steel and you guys did this. >> it wasn't all about energy costs. >> a lot of it was reasons why those industries, either failed or moved on. >> but the point i was going to make is we've got to have a balanced system. i don't think anyone certainly in the department, when i was running it and when i was there for three years, suggested that we would have an energy system entirely built around renewables. and we looked at modelling its way too expensive. and the problem of intermittency, the fact that the sun doesn't shine all the time. >> so miliband's going too far. >> so miliband's going too far. >> so you need a balance. and what the opposite of intermittency , what they refer intermittency, what they refer to as baseload. that's continual energy . you need to have that. energy. you need to have that. you either get that through gas

or through nuclear power. and i think one of the things that i think one of the things that i think boris led on, and i was very happy to, to help him on that was driving british nuclear and that was picking up the pieces of the disaster of the 2010 cancellation of the nuclear power under the coalition government . government. >> well, i think, i think to be fair, labour didn't do a very good job on this. i'm glad labour plan and they all cancelled. >> well, political ed miliband was against nuclear when he was energy secretary. >> he planned he he was against you. look at what he said. >> you cancelled them. >> you cancelled them. >> i tell you what, he was against nuclear. i tell you what, i tell you what i'm more sceptical on net zero than either of these two. i can tell you what i want to thank them for coming in. it'd be a great panel because they're energetic and they're lively and we have the kind of debates i think you're having at home or down the pub or wherever you may be, which you don't get on other channels. now, coming up next is state of the nation , and tonight state of the nation, and tonight it's christopher hope. what have we got coming up on the menu? nightfall. >> jacob rees—mogg isn't here today. i'm back in for him. we've got dan hodges on the issue of the tackling the far

right, as the government calls it. is it the far right or not? and is it far right to be against immigration? nigel nelson, our senior political commentator, and paul goodman, lord goodman, of course , they'll lord goodman, of course, they'll be on the panel. we'll hear from also, they'll be discussing the labour councillor who said, cut your throat to when you hired him earlier, and craig mckinley, barnet mp. it'd be a great show. >> excellent. very good indeed. thank you everybody. i'm off for the next couple of weeks. i'll be back with you before the end of the month. thank you. >> looks like things are heating up. boxt boilers sponsors of weather on . gb. news weather on. gb. news >> good evening. welcome to your latest gb news, weather update brought to you from the met office. the grey weather will unger office. the grey weather will linger across the south first thing tomorrow, but in general it's looking much brighter as we head into friday. that's because a cold front will clear through the country overnight tonight and into tomorrow morning, introducing fresher air. but before then, we've still got the milder humid air through the rest of this evening and

overnight. so quite a close night to come. persistent rain still continuing through this evening across north eastern areas , but that will linger areas, but that will linger across the south and east until friday morning, making for a fairly grey start here tomorrow morning. temperatures already in the high teens as well, slightly fresher further north for much of northern ireland and scotland. and here there will be plenty of sunshine or more in the way of sunshine compared to today at least. still a few showers, though potentially some heavier ones affecting the northern isles. first thing tomorrow they could push into parts of south of western scotland as well, but it does look like it will remain largely dry across northern ireland. eastern areas of scotland , the eastern areas of scotland, the southeast as well. northeastern england not looking too bad, as well as wales and the south—west. plenty of sunshine first thing, and it's going to be turning much brighter across the southeast towards lunchtime as well once that rain does clear away. so certainly a brighter day to come tomorrow and it will feel fairly warm in the sunshine as well. however, across the far north that's

where we've got a bit of a breeze and this risk of showers through the day. so here still that fresher feel temperatures in the mid—teens, but further south were towards the mid 20s. so not feeling too bad, especially where the winds remain light. now the change on the way as we head into the weekend. another band of rain arrives across parts of england and wales, bringing outbreaks of rain showers continuing across scotland , but it will brighten scotland, but it will brighten up for many areas into the afternoon and again feeling fairly warm in the sunshine too. but it's sunday and monday when the temperatures really start to climb. plenty of sunshine around through these days and temperatures towards the low 30s. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on gb news

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jacob rees—mogg no less on state of the nation tonight, while the country braced itself for what was expected to be 100 protests and potential riots last night, things were thankfully calmer than inspected expected. however, a labour councillor has been suspended and arrested after saying this last night. you are disgusting, nasty and we need to go that route and get rid of them all. cut their throats. blimeyi meanwhile, is your pension safe? the chancellor, rachel reeves, is reportedly considering huge reforms to the uk pension system. but what does this mean for you? and after interviewing him in may about his inspirational return to parliament after battling sepsis, i'll be speaking to former tory mp craig mackinlay, soon to be known as the bionic peen soon to be known as the bionic peer, as he enters the house of lords by his next step in his story , state of the nation story, state of the nation starts right now