they are the worst deprived in england. that cannot be a coincidence. let's have a look at what is going on and while it's still relatively calm here, people are on the streets in belfast. we will be following that also today we've seen people sent to jail for purse on their facebook. is that fair and needed or overkill? also, many are calling on the government to adopt an agreed definition of islamophobia and to give it legal protection. do we need that? and if anything was to convince you to have a career change, it might be this barclays have just become the first bank to lift the bankers bonus cap. your thoughts ? all bonus cap. your thoughts? all that and more. but first, the 6:00 news headlines .

6:00 news headlines. >> good evening. the top stories from the gb newsroom. former labour councillor ricky jones has been remanded in custody after appearing in court on charges of encouraging violent disorder at a rally organised by stand up to racism. jones was filmed addressing a crowd at the london demonstration on wednesday evening. 50 the 57 year old was charged at westminster magistrates court which heard he gave a speech to a crowd which was capable of encouraging or assisting the commission of violent disorder. plea and trial preparation has been set for the 6th of september. a 30 year old man has been jailed for eight months for racially aggravated intentional harassment during the riots in leeds. the judge said his sentence was reduced to take his guilty plea into account. at one point, jordan plain was filmed with others mocking muslim prayers. meanwhile, a facebook user who urged people to attack a leeds hotel used to house asylum seekers has also been jailed . 28 year old jordan

jailed. 28 year old jordan parler has been sentenced to 20 months after pleading guilty to publishing written material intended to stir racial hatred. meanwhile, two men have been sent to prison for an attack on what prosecutors described as pro edl protesters after rival demonstrations clashed in leeds city centre last saturday. 21 year old samir ali and 31 year old adnan ghafoor admitted affray earlier this week . it affray earlier this week. it comes as the prime minister has issued a warning to those using social media to encourage violence and disorder, visiting the metropolitan police command centre in central london, sir keir starmer said social media is not a law free zone. he said the police are actively pursuing those breaking the law online, with more swift sentences. the national police chiefs council has said 595 arrests have been made in relation to disorder across the country, following the southport stabbings. sir keir starmer says those committing offences online are still culpable and will be

brought to justice. >> those that are thinking about getting involved in disorder of any sort is very clear. if you involve yourself in disorder, then the full force of the law will be applied. and the fact that we've seen this week people not just in court, but being sentenced to significant terms of custody for their behaviour just a few days ago , i think is just a few days ago, i think is a very important message to anyone who's thinking of getting involved in the coming days. >> a man who swore at a police officer before kicking him amid disorder in central london has been sentenced. 20 year old ozzy kirsch swore at officers responding to widespread disorder in westminster on the sist disorder in westminster on the 31st of july. officers with the metropolitan police were walking along whitehall in the direction of trafalgar square, informing demonstrators that a dispersal order was in force and encouraging people to leave the area . taking exception to their area. taking exception to their presence, kirsch was recorded walking across the path of the officers before sticking his middle finger towards an officer and then kicking him . meanwhile,

and then kicking him. meanwhile, several police forces have issued further cctv appeals to identify suspects they believe to have been responsible for some of the violence and disorder detectives investigating riots in merseyside issued images of 11 people after a separate appeal helped identify individuals earlier this week. greater manchester police have issued a similar appeal for information they are asking the public to contact them directly or to contact them directly or to contact crime stoppers if they recognise any of the people pictured here. to other news, now disgraced former bbc news presenter huw edwards has been asked to return his salary by the corporation's board. it comes after the 62 year old admitted in court last week to having indecent images of children. seven of the 41 images were described as being in the most serious category of child abuse pictures, and videos. the bbc's board has told him to repay his salary from the time he was arrested in november last

yean he was arrested in november last year, saying the presenter undermined trust in the bbc and brought it into disrepute . brought it into disrepute. former us president donald trump has agreed to debate vice president kamala harris on television in the race to the white house. it's been confirmed the republican nominee will debate his democratic rival on the 10th of september on the us network abc . and trump told network abc. and trump told a news conference at his florida home last night that he also wants to add two more debates on fox news and nbc . during wants to add two more debates on fox news and nbc. during his news conference, mr trump claimed his opponent wasn't intellectually up to the challenge . former reality tv challenge. former reality tv star katie price has appeared in court today after being arrested at heathrow airport last night. it comes after a judge issued a warrant following her failure to attend a high court bankruptcy heanng attend a high court bankruptcy hearing last month. price was declared bankrupt in november 2019 and then again in march this year. miss price is expected to attend a further heanng expected to attend a further hearing later this month . and

hearing later this month. and finally, in sport, lee carsley has been named as interim head coach of the england men's football squad ahead of the upcoming nations league fixtures. carsley will step up to replace gareth southgate, who brought his eight year and eight years in charge to an end after defeat in spain in the euro 2024 final last month . and those are final last month. and those are the latest gb news headlines for now i'm tatiana sanchez. i'll be back in an hour for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code or go to gbnews.com forward slash alerts . slash alerts. >> thanks for that, tatiana michelle dewberry. and i'm keeping you company until 7:00 tonight. one of my favourite parts of the program is when you do the headlines, listening to my panels responses to some of

the stories we're just hearing there. the announcement about there. the announcement about the interim england manager and one of my panel was going, who? who even is it? who even is it? do you know who he was? is it a good appointment in your minds or not? alongside me, the guy i've just been talking about the conservative peer lord shaun bailey and the fireman trade unionist and author, paul embery. good evening to both of you. good evening. you dissatisfied with that appointment? >> it's not dissatisfied. it's just don't know who he is. but to be clear, i know nothing about football. let's be clear about football. let's be clear about that. >> yeah, i don't know that much. >> yeah, i don't know that much. >> i could talk to you about it. you haven't asked me, have you? >> no, i didn't ask you because i thought if i start asking you because i could tell that you knew straight away by your reaction to it, i thought, i won't get into any of the news of the day. we'll be talking about football. i thought i'd move on, and all i can say is, thank goodness it's friday, everybody. i don't know how you've been feeling this week, but what a week. i feel like i could sleep for a week. all i've got to say is jubilee tavern opens at quarter seven and i personally cannot wait. but between now and then, there's a lot i want to get into with you

guys at home tonight. you know the drill, don't you? it's about very much your opinion at home. get in touch all the usual ways you can. email gb views @gbnews. com you can go to the website gbnews.com/yoursay or of course you can tweet or text me, i've got to say relative calm. thankfully on the streets of england, long may it continue, there are some people taking to there are some people taking to the streets in belfast. i will be, cutting across there live imminently, and i can show you some of the scenes there, but i just want to focus as well on the streets of england as i'm saying, they are literally quite calm right now, but it caught my eye that when it came to the rioting that has been occurring, it took place in seven out of the ten most deprived areas. and i don't actually think that that was a coincidence. i'm talking about places like middlesbrough, blackpool, liverpool, hartlepool, hull , manchester and hartlepool, hull, manchester and blackburn. i've also got to state the obvious as well, and point out that many of these affected areas in this way also have a higher than average proportion of asylum seekers in

taxpayer funded accommodation. now, it is quite unpopular among many to have the conversations about what has caused the situation, but more importantly, how do we resolve these issues so that we can move forward and hope that all of this is a thing of the past? >> paul embery economic insecurity has caused it, immigration levels, a lack of integration in some of these communities, a fear of crime, increase in in a lot of these communities. and this is a simmering resentment that has been boiling for years. and anyone who knows working class communities and comes from working class communities, i think all three of us do, in fact, actually hold that thought, because i did just mention belfast. >> before we get stuck into , the >> before we get stuck into, the calmness of the streets of england, let's just cross live to belfast. our reporter dougie beattie is there as we speak. good evening dougie, what's happening there ? happening there? >> well, we have two protests,

one pro—immigration, one anti—immigration. it must be said that the pro side, full of civil servants, is much , much civil servants, is much, much larger than this , this larger than this, this anti—immigration side. and i'm actually joined by a man who gave his all for country. paras dunng gave his all for country. paras during the falklands war. and you are really trying to get some sense into this , some sense into this, anti—immigration side. >> well, i'm here i fully support what the anti—immigration process or protest is for. i am against mass illegal immigration and the impact that is having on communities , particularly communities, particularly working class communities here in belfast . working class communities here in belfast. but i'm also here to try and ensure that the best of my ability and what little influence i have, that it is a peaceful protest that we don't let young folk get, pulled into violence or labelled right wing thugs or extremists in any way. the vast majority of people

here, in fact, all the people here, in fact, all the people here are responsible people. they're for here peaceful protest. they're facing severe provocation from the other side, i might add, but they're not here for violence. >> i mean, you've dealt with young men, who need shipped and guided all your life. i mean, what hope is these people in these areas? >> well, i've spoke to young people already here today, and i've actually spoke to them. they've had a warning that if they don't remove face coverings, that they can be labelled arrest. and the law states that i've explained that i've taken young fellas to the side and explained that to them. now many of them are wearing face coverings because they're worried about their jobs. they're worried about being identified. what i've said to them is if you get arrested, you're going to lose your job anyway. >> there you go , michel. and, >> there you go, michel. and, things are really kicking off here. you can actually see the police here are on the protesters side, the immigration side are all togged out in their tsg uniforms, while if you just

come with me, stevie, just follow me this way very, very quickly, if you look at the other side of the protest, there's a line of snatch land rovers between us here and the police on the other side are standing in short sleeved shirts as you can see. and, the provocation from this side is massive. and most of these people here are public sector workers. so it is, starting to be quite the evening here in belfast . belfast. >> remains peaceful for now . >> remains peaceful for now. thank you very much. i've got to say, everybody at home, i am not a riot. policing or protests policing expert by any stretch of the imagination, but isn't it just basic common sense that if you've got two groups with completely differing opinions , completely differing opinions, such heightened emotions, why don't you try and keep them a little bit more separate? i've seen so many instances now where these kind of two different groups, they're almost brought to within inches of each other. i don't really understand that,

it's counterproductive , if you it's counterproductive, if you ask me. anyway. paul. sorry. what were you saying? >> yeah, i was saying all these things are a perfect storm. really of economic and social disruption. the economic security and security on top of immigration levels, on top of integration issues, serious integration issues, serious integration issues, serious integration issues, on top of, you know, the perception of crime in working class neighbourhoods and so on. and this stuff has just been there for years. people think this has just come out of a clear blue sky. this happened, you know, just after the election of a labour government and it came from nowhere. anyone who's lived amongst these communities knows that this has been simmering for a long, long, long time. and i completely condemn the violence. there's no excuse for the violence at all. but until we address some of the root causes , address some of the root causes, then these issues are not going to go away. in fact, they're going to get worse. and my fear and my observation is that the political class in this country has got its head in the sand. what they are doing is they're

going on to tv, whether it's keir starmer or media commentators or whoever, and saying, this is about tommy robinson or this is about disinformation from hostile foreign states. so this is about elon musk or this is about nigel farage and suella braverman making , you farage and suella braverman making, you know, farage and suella braverman making , you know, provocative making, you know, provocative statements about immigration, which i think is insulting to ordinary people because it tells them, actually you've got no agency and you're a bit thick and you're easily duped by these people, if you can't get your head around the fact that these issues have been burning for years and what we're seeing now is them playing out in a violent way on our streets, then frankly, you're not fit to be in power . and it seems to me today, power. and it seems to me today, over the last day or two, actually, there's now a serious element of complacency in the commentary where a lot of people think, oh, it's great. we had the counter protests and they pushed the protesters back, even though the protesters didn't really want that . well, this is really want that. well, this is the point i'm making. they weren't actually really there, weren't actually really there, were they? and therefore all is

well again in britain. and you know, we're a you know, we're a peaceful, country at ease with itself. and there's nothing to worry about anymore. that level of complacency is dangerous because those issues which have led to the violence have not gone away. yeah >> look, i ordinarily i come on here and paul and i have a bit of a row and we disagree. but but i'm sorry on this one. you're right. and i and i'd like to go a bit deeper. you made a comment, michelle, that it's in the poorest communities in, in the poorest communities in, in the country that this happened. the reason it's happened is because people who are poor are closer to needing the council. the government , closer to needing the council. the government, and closer to needing the council. the government , and they feel the government, and they feel the change in resources first. many months ago, i said, if we don't take some notice of the impact that immigration has on communities, that that a lack of integration has on communities, you we are stirring up social problems and we're seeing it now. so if you're someone who needs council housing, if you're someone who needs regular doctor's appointments because of a health thing, if you're someone who's struggling to find work, of course these things are much more life. you of course people are feel more angry about

it because they feel afraid. now, if you're in, if you're in your well—paid job down here in the south east, those things might not not be on your agenda in the same way. but what's interesting is this is now beginning to go across communities regardless of people's colour. so we're all talking about immigration. fine. that's the current thing. but there's communities who've been here established for some time who are now having a slightly different response to this , and different response to this, and they're now beginning to be at each other's throats and i said, this is the point why i'm really disappointed with what keir starmer did when he labelled people far right . starmer did when he labelled people far right. i starmer did when he labelled people far right . i went starmer did when he labelled people far right. i went in the pub and i spoke to a couple of blokes and i deliberately spoke to them because they are white, working class people. i live in east london. they're very easy to find up there and, and a guy said to me, well, you know what, sean? i've never really been racist. i just don't have enough black people around me. i haven't really thought it through. but he said hearing keir starmer telling me that everybody who has concerns about immigration is far right has made me think, am i? and that's the problem because for him, he isn't. he isn't like directly

thinking about the numbers of immigration. he's thinking things like, is it easy to get a job? can i house my kids and all the rest of that? and that's where the link comes. and until people in the political class understand there is a direct link and they're giving certain communities more, more permission to air their grievances than other communities, this feeling will grow. it will fester. >> i've heard i've heard countless politicians talk about social media activity over the last week, countless politicians, including the prime minister, talk about online social media activity, and people have got to be responsible. and we're going to bnngin responsible. and we're going to bring in new laws to clamp down on, you know, people's social media activity and so on and so forth. and as i said , tommy forth. and as i said, tommy robinson and elon musk and nigel farage and stuff like that have been mentioned time and time and time again, i don't think literally. i don't think literally. i don't think literally. i've heard a cabinet minister in the last week or i'm not sure i've heard any politician of any party in the last week say, yes, of course the violence is wrong, but do you know what there are some very deep lying tensions that have led to this that have been

burning away in our communities for a long time, and we have got to deal with those, and we've got to have a serious national conversation about how we deal with those. no politician is talking about that. >> we won't get there. the reason the social media things come of course it exists. it's a little tiny piece of what's gone on and it's a catalyst. but oftentimes politicians will look for something to blame and this is easily carries the blame. but the problem about focusing on social media, the social media doesn't start anything. at worst, it might amplify, but it doesn't start. so the social media is just connecting people who have these thoughts. and unfortunately, this group of people is growing. there's some good things that came that people came out and said, look, we're not really wanting this racism . here's an anti—racist racism. here's an anti—racist thing. fine. but what led to other people to come out and feel that they they can publicly state that they're racist because of a of what's going on. and until some politician grasps the nettle and says, two things one, there is no two tiers of policing. i think that's been a real big thing. a lot of the young people i've been speaking

to believe that now and will site loads of politicians have come out and said that there isn't any two tiers, but there is. there is, i'm afraid there is. there is, i'm afraid there is. i know keir starmer said it. >> mark rowley, he said he knows they have to say they have to, but they have to demonstrate. >> you know, we've arrested someone's been arrested for information around the stockport thing, but a young person said to me, but what happens about the schools when all the schools did all the stuff around islamophobia and all the rest, that nobody got arrested for spreading that information. so now people have examples of two tier policing and that's dangerous, one of my viewers as just emailed me and said, michelle, i want to message you, but i'm also terrified of going to prison if i do. >> and i think this is quite an interesting thing that's going on in society. i don't know if anyone's been on social media today, it's been filled with at met police. look at this post at merseyside police. look at this person. look at this video. look at this, look at this, look at

this, look at this. you've had your courts today. all of it, been broadcast live. people getting sentenced for things that they have written on social media. of course i've got to say people do need to be more mindful of what it is that they're posting. they need to be more considered. and i would argue you probably shouldn't be able to post anything anonymously, and therefore you can be held accountable for what it is you're actually saying. but after the break, i do want to drill into this social media stuff a little bit more, particularly when it comes to the misinformation information, the misinformation information, the arrests that you've just mentioned there as well. what do you make to what is going on here? your thoughts keep it

well hi there, i'm michelle dewberry i'm with you till 7:00. paul mbappe and shaun bailey remain alongside me. gb news member just got in touch saying, oh, i love john embry. he speaks john embry, is that your dad? >> no, but he was a famous

cricketer back in the 1980s and i do very occasionally i'll get called john by people who are usually cricket fans. >> oh well, like this is paul, paul embry, everyone, look what i want to talk. i want to get to the bottom of some of the situations that's going on in this country, and i'll bring you into the conversation. worry not. but i also i mentioned one of you guys have messaged me just before the break who said, i want a message, michelle. but i'm terrified of being sent to prison and i'm sure you had your tongue in your cheek a little bit when you were saying that. but we are in this situation now where there is this fear being instilled in people. if you retweet something, you could perhaps now be found to be guilty of a crime. if someone perceives that that could have incited. i think it was racial hatred. we've had a situation where a woman has been arrested, apparently accused of spreading the false rumour about who that southport suspect actually was. we've seen lots of kind of situations where we've had jail sentences today, where people have been jailed for things that

they've posted. one guy, 21 year old, posted videos of himself , old, posted videos of himself, apparently, i quote roaring encouragement on his instagram account for those rioters. he was jailed for two years, another fella, 26 year old, jailed for 38 months. apparently after stirring up racial hatred by using his social media, to call for hotels to be set on fire. another fella, 20 months in jail. after publishing written material intended to stir racial hatred. i've got to be honest, got to be absolutely clear. i don't obviously think anyone should be going on social media telling anyone to harm anyone, irrespective of why you want to cause harm, to people. it is obviously wrong. i do think one of the things you could do in society is stop people going on social media anonymously, and i think that would clean up social media literally overnight in some ways. but do you think it's right that people are getting these harsh sentences for social media activity? >> well, let's let's be clear. if you're going to set a precedent for arresting people for things they've posted and spreading , especially when you spreading, especially when you talk about misinformation, you

have to be very clear what misinformation is. most of the cases you quoted are nice, open and closed ones. somebody said something pretty awful, you know, get them set this alight , know, get them set this alight, whatever. that's easy for the law to deal with. but the minute you say misinformation, my truth might not be quite the same as yours. what are you going to do about it? and the law is pretty poor at setting those things apart. and the other thing is, as well, with our hate crime laws, other people can decide what you've said. so you may call me a name online. i might be happy with that. but paul can say he's not happy with that. and you still perceives it was motivated by racism. so these laws are you're trying to police, human interaction that's going to be tough. >> what do you think, paul? >> what do you think, paul? >> i think where there's clear incitement to violence, if you say we should go and burn this hotel down because it's got migrants in, you deserve everything you get. yeah, frankly, you deserve to go to jail for a very long time, particularly if there's evidence

that people are likely to act on or have acted on what you've said. i think there's a danger that inaccurate, statements as we've seen in cheshire, false statements that may have even been circulated without any malice involved, actually fall foul of the law. i mean, this woman who who's been arrested in cheshire for in inaccurate and inaccurate tweet, linking it to the source that said it was a particular asylum seeker who carried out the attacks . now, carried out the attacks. now, someone might do that in good faith. someone might look at that and think, well, that seems a reputable source and i'm going to republish that information in the same way that people might tweet tabloid rumours for example, in good faith, from from our own news sources in this country . now, if you from our own news sources in this country. now, if you had no intention, there was no malicious intent and there was no attempt to incite people. and what you were doing is he's just

further in the news story by bringing to people's attention, i struggle to accept that you should be thrown in a prison cell or arrested for that, because that strikes me as a really slippery slope. that's quite clear. >> you've used the word intent in law. it's very hard to prove the intent and what this would do, i think where you were going, correct me if i'm wrong, this would close down debate in a very serious way. how would you how would you be able to say that you disagreed with somebody without spreading malicious information? >> is that the intention? because, i mean, you've got to i mean, just to be clear and i feel and this is one of the problems, i feel like i need to constantly repeat myself because there's whole hordes of people watching content at the moment desperate to trying to clip up a sentence here and a sentence there, and to post it all out and say, oh, michelle condones violence. so i feel like i constantly have to repeat the sentence. there is no justification at all for even going and doing violent acts or inciting anyone else to do one.

when you talk about people posting, telling people to, set fire to hotels with people in, i don't even, even understand how that would even be in your brain to have those kind of thoughts, let alone, sending those kind of messages. so of course, i think if that's the kind of thing that you're doing, yes, you should be in trouble. now that i've kind of said that, and i'm not saying, but when covid was a thing, i do believe that we were almost deliberately terrified into submission and deliberately terrified into following a path of thought, desire and actions that the government wanted us to do. and one of my viewers has just got in touch here and said, michelle, part of my view is mindset at the moment feels that keir starmer is almost trying to terrify people because he wants people to stop questioning things like the boat crossings and things like that, because the viewer suggests he's not able to control those things. what do you think to that view sentiment?

>> look, this this is the point, isn't it? >> if you try. sorry, that was his name. philip. >> if you tried to control what people can say, particularly if it's a dissenting voice, the nofion it's a dissenting voice, the notion that philip has come up with becomes a real issue, a real problem. you know, one of my real dislikes, what keir starmer has done is label people, you know, you're far right because you don't agree with him. and if you're far right, you can't have any any conversation. we can't listen to your concerns. and that's the problem in it. and in all of this stuff. who watches the watchmen? who gets to decide what is misinformation? because it's very in some cases, it's very simple. paul talked about if you if you're inciting violence, of course that's out of order. but if you're expressing an opinion that's seen as misinformation . and seen as misinformation. and again, i go back to this thing when the protests around the batley grammar school, some of that was misinformation. i don't recall anybody being arrested for that. so it's really important that all misinformation is done, because if you say if people say at home, start to think, well, if you agree with the government, you're fine. if you disagree

with the government, you're not fine. that becomes a problem. the covid point is an interesting one, because i think people have had the confidence since then. >> we saw the biggest attack. i will use the word attack on our personal freedoms and liberties dunng personal freedoms and liberties during that period, with very little resistance in parliament and some resistance outside of parliament. but i think since then i think a number of people in politics and the commentariat have seen the ease with which government was able to get away with, and we can have a debate about whether it was right or wrong. the point is, there was very little pushback when it happened, and i think people have looked at that and have thought the government was able to get away with that so easily that it's given them the confidence now to make those sorts of demands. and i tweeted about it the other day, paul mason, for example, calling for, you know, prominent left wing activists calling for twitter to be shut down. jess, jessica seymour, the kc barrister calling for twitter to be shut down at the moment. and you think this is just deranged? actually, you know, the idea

that an entire platform on which millions of people are active and it certainly has its faults. i mean, i know that as much as anybody, but nonetheless, it allows for the free flow of information in a way that much mainstream media doesn't . and mainstream media doesn't. and you think you can just shut it down like that because 1 or 2 idiots have circulated misinformation or, you know, been provocative in their comments , comments and so on. comments, comments and so on. and i think the confidence with which they're making these demands, alastair campbell this afternoon demanded on twitter that douglas murray be investigated by the metropolitan police because of an interview he's given where he essentially said nothing more than i wrote a book a few years ago, and i said we were having all of these problems with integration within the uk, and it was going to spill over into violence. and i've been proved right. if you watch the interview, it was quite a sober interview and you're getting prominent commentators saying this person should be investigated. it's actually it's actually quite chilling, some of the demands, but i think the reason they do it is because then the police then respond to it.

>> one of the real problems we've had recently is the police seem to be terrified of the press. the press seems to be dictate to the police what things they should take seriously or not. and all of our political, power control comes from trust . and i'm beginning to from trust. and i'm beginning to see the level of trust broken down. this constant talk about two tier is a real physical manifestation of the trust and our society broken down. if that continues, we will get to the point where the country will be ungovernable. >> i don't think i've known a time, and i've been a political activist most of my adult life. when there was such a lack of trust and actually quite a cynicism and a distrust in our national and civic institutions. and i include within that the main political parties. i think if you look at people's perception of the political elites, if you like, of the mainstream parties of our national institutions, of parliament, of the police service , the civil service and service, the civil service and so on, i think many millions of

people in this country look at that class, that political class, and think, do you know what? you just simply do not understand me or my life . the understand me or my life. the country is in quite a sharp decline. nothing really seems to work anymore. and there's things going on in my community which a you don't know about, and b if you don't know about, and b if you did, you probably wouldn't care. i think that disconnect between the political class, the governors and the governed, if you like, is as wide as i've ever known it. >> i think there's a nuance there because it isn't just this separate political class. there's certain groups who are attached to that political class who have great power, who then can have their message trumpeted harder or can it can be perceived, get away with things that other groups can't get away with. and that's where it's come from. and of course, what we've had, i've never experienced a time where all of our institutions have been so denigrated, continually attacked anything from the police to politicians and that eroding of their authority has meant that

we're all in a weaker position. >> one of my viewers, cliff, sorry, colin. he's got in touch and he said, michelle, where does this notion come from that people are devoid of their own agency of thought? he said, if i put a tweet out telling everyone to jump off a cliff, are we now expecting that everyone's going to suddenly go jumping off cliffs, no, i don't think so. but also, though you can't deny that actually a great number of people are influenced by what they see and hear online. i mean, we showed clips of those people out . i think it was in people out. i think it was in birmingham, something like that. and it was, a group and i think i had a muslim guy. we played the clip a couple of nights ago, and he was saying he was on the streets to defend, because he'd heard that white people were doing acid attacks. well, where did you hear that ? people were did you hear that? people were doing acid attacks. unsubstantiated claims all over twitter that white people had been chucking acid out of their cars at asian women, the police, cleveland police then got involved in a statement saying that they hadn't had any reports

of this. they'd had one strange, peculiar report that had no details of anything whatsoever. but those people still carried on repeating those claims. many people have left those claims up on their sites today, and they haven't been deleted. and a viewer got in touch with me as well, saying he's a football fan and he's actually quite frightened of going to the football this weekend wearing a football this weekend wearing a football kit because he feels that there's been this constant narrative pumped out to people that all of these rioters, football fans , football fans, football fans, football fans, football fans, football fans, football fans. he's worried that when people come across him, is he going to get duffed up because he's a football fan that apparently is responsible for a lot of this violence. so of course it works both ways, doesn't it? but actually, i have got to say that a great many people they could be doing with a big, short, sharp shock to shake them off about some of the stuff that they do put online. because a lot of stuff online is pretty damn grotesque, isn't it? your thoughts on it all? after the break, i want to talk about islamophobia. do we need an official definition of that or not? that is what some people are suggesting

hello michelle dewberry lord shaun bailey and paul embery remain alongside me, many people have been speaking out about how unsafe they currently feel. sadiq khan, he was one of those people and it's kind of spawned a conversation about whether or not there needs to be a clearer definition of islamophobia that's adopted by the government within the with the associated laws. then attached to it. let's just cut to the chase, do you think this is what we need ? think this is what we need? shaun bailey? >> absolutely not. if you have a definition of islamophobia, you're effectively bringing a i don't know, a blasphemy law. it would be a blasphemy law . and would be a blasphemy law. and also it plays to one of the labour party's biggest failings in the last 10 or 15 years. identity politics. because

straight away, if i'm sikh, why don't we have a definition of that? what about the catholics , that? what about the catholics, you know, what about the buddhists? you simply can't separate us in that way. >> let's listen to sadiq khan, shall we? and look at what he has to say. >> it's very important that we are, you know, not complacent and we're vigilant. i'm really proud of what our police service has done, not just for the last 24 hours, but the last few weeks. yesterday, more than 1000 police officers are making sure our communities were safe from the threat of the far right. we know from across the country that they're trying to spread violence, racism and hatred. and i'm also proud of londoners who came together, united against racism , islamophobia and racism, islamophobia and anti—semitism. we've got to recognise , though, the far right recognise, though, the far right has not gone away , hollingbery has not gone away, hollingbery no political or religious belief system should be ring fenced from scrutiny, from criticism and from mockery. >> if you are a follower of a

particular religious belief system or political belief system, you have to accept that we all do that, that belief system that ideology is open to criticism and scrutiny and mockery. i'm not suggesting people should be gratuitously offensive, okay? they shouldn't be a law against it. but i don't think it's necessary to be gratuitously offensive . but gratuitously offensive. but islam is a it's a it's a belief system that tries to, you know , system that tries to, you know, make bold statements about how we should live our lives , about we should live our lives, about the world and so on about about political issues, about personal issues . and therefore it has to issues. and therefore it has to accept that people will be will be forward in their criticisms, and that it cannot be given some sort of special protection. and whether your personal ideology is islam or christianity or socialism or communism or conservatism, these are all belief systems at the end of the day, and they have to be open to

criticism or scrutiny. >> out of this, there'll be loads of muslim people. i've just, mentioned there sadiq khan humza yousaf, he was talking this week , saying that he wasn't this week, saying that he wasn't sure. and i'm quoting him directly. if the future for him and his wife and children is going to be in here or, you know, scotland or the united kingdom due to, anti—muslim abuse. so there's a lot of muslim people that would say, well, hang on a second. because of my faith , i am, deliberately of my faith, i am, deliberately targeted , you know, some people targeted, you know, some people will say, well, i've had my windows put through , you know, windows put through, you know, you weird stories i was listening to one on, i think it was radio four or something where this muslim teenage girl, she was saying she was upstairs. she was absolutely terrified. you can't live like that . you you can't live like that. you can't be asked to live like that. there's laws against that already. >> michelle, if you're targeted for one of those, you know , for one of those, you know, those particular characteristics. then there's laws against that. and of course, no one should target muslims in any way just because they're muslims. that would be an appalling thing to do, but it

seems to me to be a step change from saying, on the one hand, we shouldn't attack muslims because they're muslims to then saying, actually, we should invent this term islamophobia and devise a law around it, which essentially i think is geared towards ring fencing, islam from criticism. it would that's a different thing entirely, a blasphemy law. >> and you can't just be i'm a card carrying christian. i've had 100 years in this country of heanng had 100 years in this country of hearing people make jokes. anybody who knows the life of brian, etc. would know that christians have had to accept that because they said it's an important part of our liberal democracy . if you come here with democracy. if you come here with any other region, be it buddhist or whatever, you have to accept that as well. you cannot expect to us do something different. and if you are sat at home today and you are in favour of a definition of islamophobia, would you be in favour of one for christianity? how about judaism ? what about the judaism? what about the buddhists? what about the sikhs? what about those with no religion at all? there you go. >> well, there you go. >> well, there you go. >> but sensible. >> but sensible. >> you've asked the people of britain that question. if you

are in favour of the islamophobia definition and everything that goes with that, in terms of supporting laws, etc, to answer shaun bailey point, then what's your thoughts on that? get in touch all the usual ways after the break. thank goodness this jewellery tavern is open. i'll tell you what i want to discuss. bankers bonuses. the first bank now was lifted . lifted that cap. it's lifted. lifted that cap. it's enough to make you want to change career, isn't it? your thoughts

hello there . michelle dewberry hello there. michelle dewberry with you until 7:00 tonight. it is friday. it's 6:45. so that means that dewsbury tavern is well and truly open. it's been a very tough week, cheers to everyone at home. cheers to you. there's a sensible one on the panel there's a sensible one on the panel. you don't drink. very sensible. i just when i thought my week couldn't get any worser, they've only gone and served me warm wine . warm wine, i mean, warm wine. warm wine, i mean, god, they're trying to kill me

off or what? anyway, cheers to each of you at home, the story i want to discuss. in my bar tonight. bankers bonuses. i mean, you will remember this whole debate about whether or not they should be capped, i've got to say, the tories actually removed the cap so that actually, they could earn up to ten times the salary in some cases , where barclays has become cases, where barclays has become the first bank to get rid of that cap. i think the original cap, a lot of it was coming down from the eu, and i think you guys then removed it anyway. do you support this? >> yeah. look, it's not our money. if it was taxpayers money right then i would have a big problem with it. but it isn't our money. but the thing i want to see is what the labour government do about it. because they screamed blue murder when it went on, said it was out of touch. but apparently rachel reevesis touch. but apparently rachel reeves is going to do nothing about it. and we're seeing this pattern of saying one thing and doing another from the labour government. she has every right and the power to reinstate this if she really believes a strong as she, as she said in the past, she'd reinstate the cap. but of course she won't because you realise this is not our money

and people need to be able to make some money. >> well mbappe, the cap should absolutely be reinstated. >> i think it was completely wrong to lift the cap. it goes back to the kind of greed is good society. these were the people let's not forget who crashed our economy in two thousand and seven 2008. and i think it sends entirely the wrong message at a point when many millions of people we haven't emerged from the cost of living crisis yet, and there are many millions of people in this country who are still struggling to make ends meet, still struggling to pay their mortgages and so on. at the same time, the banks are recording record multi—million pound profits as a result. let me just finish, sean. as a result of the increases in interest rate rises over the last couple of years. and i think now to say actually, all of the brakes were off again and you guys can just make as many millions as you like in the city of london while the rest of the country is struggling. i think it sends entirely the wrong message. and i think is seriously unfair , completely seriously unfair, completely wrong to have lifted the cap, be

far, far be it from me to defend bankers. >> i don't want to be defending bankers. but let's be very clear. there's lots of rules that mean they just can't make all the money they want and all the rest of it. and the other thing as well, paul, if they make tons of money, they do actually have to pay taxes as well. so we get the money back, you know, we, we get our share of, of the money that, that, that they're making of course. but the other thing our banking system has to compete with other systems in the world. and sometimes we're so busy punishing people for , for, for, punishing people for, for, for, for making money, we forget that they're creating wealth, they're paying they're creating wealth, they're paying taxes, and they're employing people . and if we employing people. and if we chase that away, we do it at our peril . people lose out. chase that away, we do it at our peril. people lose out. and chase that away, we do it at our peril . people lose out. and the peril. people lose out. and the other thing as well, peril. people lose out. and the other thing as well , if, if, if, other thing as well, if, if, if, if cutting their bonuses, capping their bonuses meant that your average man on the street, on any street in this country was going to do better, i would be up for it. but they're not they're not going to get that money. that money will just end up elsewhere. >> i disagree, i think, i think at the end of the day, you can you can have a progressive

taxation system . and i think, taxation system. and i think, well, i don't think it's as progressive as it ought to be. well, 1% of people pay pay over 30% of income tax 1%. and if well , i 30% of income tax 1%. and if well, i mean, i could give you i could give you a figure, sean. the richest 1% of households in britain have 50% of all the wealth. the poorest 50% of households in britain have 9%. >> make them pay more, that is, make them pay more tax. >> those disparities are not healthy, and they're actually grotesque. >> i agree with you. i agree with you, paul. you don't have to convince me. >> so what do we do about it? do you think we resolve that by saying, actually, we'll allow the rich to get even more rich, and we'll just hope that the poor get a few crumbs from their table? >> all of that's very emotive and sounds lovely. but it's true, though, you are affecting an industry that pays billions into our nhs, into our schools, into our nhs, into our schools, into our nhs, into our schools, into our university system , into into our university system, into our into our police, that's what you're affecting and you've got to be careful about where you make these effects. and i'm just saying this, this is something that to your ordinary person will sound bad but doesn't have any real effect. there's much

more effective ways. >> why do we have to be careful about saying to bankers and banks who are making multi, multi million pound profits at the moment , multi million pound profits at the moment, largely as a result, as i say, of paying tax rises and paying. they're paying some tax of course. why should, why should we be careful about saying to them actually all of these record unforeseen profits, do you know what we've got huge wealth and income disparities in our country at the moment. we've got public services that are underfunded. we've got people struggling to pay their bills and their mortgages. and we're going to come for you with a windfall tax to make sure that wealth is distributed a bit more, a bit more fairly. why should we be careful about that? we should be bold about that. >> that classic left wing thing. you've moved the target. you've just said we'll come for a windfall tax. entirely different thing to capping bonuses, if that's what you want to do. >> no, no, i get that. >> no, no, i get that. >> fine. but you've got to do it correctly. do them both. >> do them both. >> do them both. >> can i be totally honest? i deserve a medal, quite frankly, for not rising to paul, and he usually diculous when it comes to his great self—restraint. >> this evening must be the wine. >> that's what i mean. i've just sat there and had a swig of my

wine instead of calmed myself down. anyway, anyone that thinks all these bonuses that the banks was adhering to and all the rest of it. i don't know what you're talking about because people just used to restructure stuff and put the money in terms of salaries as opposed to bonuses. anyway and be careful what you wish for, because you do want the best bankers in this country to help the economy thrive. how many of them, how many? >> how many of them left starting? i'm going. have a great weekend, everybody. >> i'll see you on monday nights . >> i'll see you on monday nights. >> i'll see you on monday nights. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on gb news >> good evening. here's your latest gb news. weather coming to you from the met office . to you from the met office. things are going to hot up as we go through, particularly the latter part of this weekend, especially in the south east. but before then, tomorrow will be a bit cloudy and a bit damp for some of us because we are going to see a bit of a frontal wave pushing its way in, and that's going to lead to increasing amounts of cloud as we go through the rest of this evening and overnight. but ahead of that, some clearer skies and we're going to cling on to the

clearer skies across eastern parts. but all the time, a few showers across parts of scotland still pushing through on relatively brisk winds in the west, where we have that cloud and that rain feeding in, temperatures aren't going to drop much. a bit fresher though, towards eastern parts where we have some clearer skies so that cloud and any outbreaks of rain will gradually make their way eastwards across england and wales. as we go through the day tomorrow. so whilst eastern parts will start off the day quite bright, it is going to turn a bit grey later on and watch out for some heavy rain over the hills towards the west as well. a brighter start a bit further north. lots of fine weather for northern ireland. just a few showers, similar for northwest england, whilst across scotland there'll be quite a few showers around. perhaps something a little bit more persistent for a time. could be a little bit heavy, and there will be some blustery winds , will be some blustery winds, although the winds not quite as strong as they have been through today. largely grey, cloudy picture across much of england and wales through large chunks of the day . but we should start of the day. but we should start to see something a little bit brighter developing from the

west later on, as that all pushes away towards the east, temperatures are going to be a little bit higher than today across northern parts, and feeling it with those lighter winds, but further towards the southeast, similar temperatures getting into the mid 20s now into sunday. there could be a fair bit of cloud across central southern parts for a time. perhaps the odd spot of rain, but otherwise it's looking largely bright and a good deal of sunshine around. and with that , we are of sunshine around. and with that, we are going to be dragging in some hotter air, so temperatures rising high 20s on sunday. by monday we're looking at low 30s in the southeast, but the risk of thunderstorms for some by by looks like things are heating up. >> boxt boilers sponsors of weather on gb

>> welcome to lee anderson's real world. tonight on the show i've got chloe dobbs political commentator. also got former labour adviser matthew laza, former metropolitan police top cop mike neville and tv personality hayley palmer. but first, let's go to the . news. first, let's go to the. news. >> good evening to you. the top stories from the gb newsroom. we start this bulletin with some breaking news just coming in. and at least five people have been killed in a plane crash in brazil. the aircraft was carrying over 60 people when it went down in the state of sao paulo. this coming to us from local media, the state's fire bngade local media, the state's fire brigade has confirmed that seven crews have been dispatched to the crash site . more on this the crash site. more on this breaking story as we get it in other news, former labour councillor ricky jones has been

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