and benjamin butterworth. tonight on the show does katie price highlight the hypocrisy of celebrity starmer's orwellian nightmare begins? britain has betrayed its working class boys. >> is elon musk now the official opposition to the labour government and britain's so rude sandwich sellers need spycams. >> it's 6 pm. and this is the saturday five. welcome to the start of day five with me, darren grimes. i'm back in the hot seat after a little break, and i couldn't be happier to be reunited with my favourite sparring partner, mr benjamin butterworth. now, benjamin's our resident environmentalist. he's so committed, in fact, that he travelled all the way to iraq by carbon neutral canoe . or at carbon neutral canoe. or at least i hope he did, because, well, he wouldn't want him

adding to that very serious climate emergency he's always bleating on about. >> well, i went to iraq, so i'd be around some more moderate people than you. >> another familiar face returns to gb news contributor alex armstrong , fresh after winning armstrong, fresh after winning favour from tech titan elon musk. how does fame feel? alex >> it's exciting, isn't it? >> it's exciting, isn't it? >> and claire pearsall is making her second debut on the show . her second debut on the show. and actually she's just have to have the recommended therapy to get over a first appearance on this show . and claire pearsall this show. and claire pearsall are wonderful to have you. thank you very much. now we've got a new face that you won't recognise. eunice joins us, who you may have seen on my youtube channel. but eunice, thank you very much for being with us. now, folks at home, you know the drill. each host outlines their argument about a chosen topic. then we all pile in and the fur starts to fly. and of course, you want to know your views as well. please do send your views and post your comments by visiting gbnews.com/yoursay and

don't forget your questions in ask the five. no topics are off limits . but folks, before we limits. but folks, before we start tearing each other apart, it's a saturday night news with sam francis . sam francis. >> darren, thank you very much and good evening to you. 6:02 and good evening to you. 6:02 and the top story tonight anti—racism demonstrators have taken to the streets of london, countering now almost two weeks of anti—immigration protests and riots across the country . riots across the country. thousands of campaigners were seen carrying signs and supporting refugees and opposing racism and islamophobia. authorities hope the violence is subsiding, but thousands of specialised officers are out on the streets. more than 740 people now arrested over the rioting, including the wife of a northamptonshire conservative councillor . well, the family of councillor. well, the family of one of the three girls that were killed in the southport stabbings have revealed today

that her older sister saw the attack but managed to escape their bay. king's parents say their bay. king's parents say the six year old was full of joy, the six year old was full of joy, light and love and have praised their older daughter jeanie's incredible strength and her courage . meanwhile, in her courage. meanwhile, in belfast , thousands of people belfast, thousands of people have been taking part in another anti—racism protest after those southport stabbings sparked of course, the anti—immigration protests. police in northern ireland are promising significant and visible policing operations. when our reporter dougie beattie has been in belfast for us today for the second week in a row, belfast city centre is now closed down because of protests. >> this one, though, is pro—immigration, fronted up by the trade unions of northern ireland. gay pride and amnesty international. but more importantly, the political classes have joined in and many in those working class areas that are facing the majority. the biggest amount of undocumented immigration now feel that their political voice

has gone . this parade will, due has gone. this parade will, due to end in the next hour, but it remains the scene. what will happenin remains the scene. what will happen in the coming days ? happen in the coming days? >> dougie beattie there aren't reporter in northern ireland for us. well, a 32 year old man has been charged over a shooting in east london in may, which, you may remember, left a nine year old girl seriously injured. she's still in hospital but in a stable condition after that attack at a restaurant in dalston. jayvon riley, from farnborough , appeared in court farnborough, appeared in court this morning accused of four counts of attempted murder. he's been remanded in custody and will appear at the old bailey next month . up to 500 people next month. up to 500 people have attended the funeral service of jay slater today in lancashire. family and friends packed the chapel at accrington crematorium, with others watching from outside. most were wearing blue in memory of the 19 year old, who fell to his death at a mountainous region of tenerife in june. concert goers

in cornwall have been left with broken bones after what's been described as a terrifying crowd surge at boardmasters music festival, which also saw speakers fall into the crowd. a number of people were taken to hospital , number of people were taken to hospital, including children, though we now know seven have been discharged at this stage. devon and cornwall police have confirmed that there were no serious injuries and it is understood the festival is continuing . the foreign continuing. the foreign secretary says he's appalled by an israeli airstrike on a school that was sheltering displaced palestinians in central gaza, according to the palestinian health official , at least 80 health official, at least 80 people were killed in that strike, but israel disputes that claim. instead, they say that forces were targeting a hamas command centre at the complex, while david lammy is calling for an immediate ceasefire in the region. while the eu's foreign policy chief has also condemned what he's calling the massacre . what he's calling the massacre. an investigation has now been launched after a plane crashed

in the state of sao paulo last night in brazil, killing all 61 people on board the black box was found late last night with some of the flight data. there were 57 passengers and four crew on board. you can see here if you're watching on tv, the dramatic scene of that aircraft plummeting through the sky, spiralling out of control and then crashing eventually in a large plume of smoke . here, large plume of smoke. here, a sixth banksy artwork has appeared in london. the latest in a series of animal themed images around the capital. the new painting, a silhouette of a cat stretching, is in cricklewood, but it won't be there for much longer as contractors have been hired to remove it in case they say someone rips it down or leaves it unsafe. it comes as a fresh image has sprung up every night overnight this week, including outlines of a wolf, a goat, elephants, monkeys and pelicans . elephants, monkeys and pelicans. sounds a bit like the line—up of the saturday vie. well, great britain's noah williams has won bronze in the men's ten metre

platform diving at the paris olympics. they're all now looking at me. he's only squeezed through qualifying in 12th though, but saved his best dives. of course, for the final gold went to china again, giving them a clean sweep of diving medals. sadly though, we've just heard that team gb don't appear to be adding another medal in the track cycling. they're out of contention in the men's madison after suffering a crash just a short time ago. those are the latest gb news headlines for now. i'm sam francis, back now to the pelican, the monkey and the giraffe for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code , alerts by scanning the qr code, or go to gbnews.com forward slash alerts . slash alerts. >> folks, it's saturday night and you're with the saturday five. i'm darren grimes and i can promise that you're in for a very lively show. we're going to crack on with tonight's first

debate, and i'm going to abuse position of the chair and start us off. i can't stomach folks mps gloating over locking up young lads raised in a system. this has happened online. we've seen mps and police actually reporting this in a gloating fashion. it tells them that they're worthless during the black lives matter riots, the left justified thuggery to highlight injustice. i disagreed with that then, and i do now. but where are those voices today? the working class is ignored, lied to and left struggling . these lads snap and struggling. these lads snap and well , we'll struggling. these lads snap and well, we'll just throw struggling. these lads snap and well , we'll just throw away the well, we'll just throw away the key. i think it's a disgrace. would it have killed a labour government minister? purportedly the party of labour, the working class, to acknowledge the reason for the rage . instead we throw for the rage. instead we throw them in the slammer and move on. and we do after every atrocity

committed on our soil, we just move on. it's too uncomfortable for the established media, mps and two tier police forces to discuss who'll fight for this country if, god forbid, we ever went to war. do you think it would be the neglected young lads or the woke brigade cheering on calls for violence in a sea of palestinian flags ? i in a sea of palestinian flags? i know who my bets on. well, who do i start with here, eunice, what do you think ? what do you think? >> well, i think you hit the nail on the head because we'll end the show there, because i said the exact same thing when the blm riots were going on, and there were people, you know, vandalising statues and there were, you know, looting shops and they were setting buildings on fire. and i remember i made a post about it on my social media. and at the time i was in uniand media. and at the time i was in uni and basically my uni sent me an email saying, we've heard you put racist posts on your story. and i was thinking what was racist about it? i'm all for

protest. okay, if you want to protest. okay, if you want to protest racial injustice, all power to you. but you can't be vandalising statues of churchill and you can't be looting shops and you can't be looting shops and you can't be looting shops and you can't be setting buildings on fire. and it was ironic because the protests were going on here, and the police here don't really have any guns, and you can't say there was some racial injustice in this country, but mostly it was in america . and as you said, there america. and as you said, there is a two tier policing and there's a two tier, mainstream narrative where when a minority protest, there's rights and they can do anything, they can get literally get away with murder. but if a patriotic person fights for their country, all of a sudden they're racist. and i just don't buy that at all. >> benjamin, do you buy that, >> benjamin, do you buy that, >> there is no justification, no political argument that can explain the behaviour that has happenedin explain the behaviour that has happened in the last week and a half. many of these people were not sat at home mulling over immigration, and then went out to do this. i was reading today , to do this. i was reading today, one person was convicted having

stolen £4,000 worth of vapes, which is enough to keep you going for days. many of these were just thugs trying to loot on the back of it. you know, there was a story that's quite funny, really, of two people that had been out for an afternoon bingo. and then they clearly had too much to drink, and then they decided to throw bncks and then they decided to throw bricks at police. >> no they didn't. >> no they didn't. >> they were convicted of that. >> they were convicted of that. >> shouted in the face of the police. that's what he did after bingo. >> let me put it in terms they will understand, police at the door 44. i think that's how you sold it to them. but do you know what you . not you, but people what you. not you, but people that have rioted in the last week and a half have done more to shut down questions and debates about immigration than anybody on the left, like me, could ever do . because now could ever do. because now people see the thuggery and they associate it with the race, so can i. >> is there no part of you then that looks at what's happening and thinks, oh my goodness, we haven't listened to anybody because every single politician in this country who's elected today, who's been in there more

than one parliament, i think has totally ignored and taken for granted the voters 2010. we've obviously that was a conservative government. we voted for the tens of thousands. immigration, 2015, 2017, 2019, 2024. sir keir starmer said he'd stopped the boats. well, that doesn't seem to be going very well. it's at record levels so far. so all of these things, we are just consistently ignored by an arrogant political class. you think throwing a brick through the window of greggs is the answer? but i'm saying that people on your side of politics made that argument during i think your lives matter. >> only 8% of people think there's any justification for these. >> it's funny you should say that, benjamin. it's funny you should say that. it's funny you should say that. it's funny you should say that. do you disagree with rachel reeves then? do you disagree with rachel reeves? because she came out and said, well, i'm surprised you didn't know that in 2016. she came out and said, if we don't do something about immigration now, there will be rioting and violence on the streets. so you disagree with her. do you? you said there was no political statement that could justify. do you disagree with that? if you

think that justifying answer the question, do you disagree with her? >> i know you're an arrogant swine online, but you don't might not like having being being checkmated. >> but you disagree with rachel reeves and that's good to know. so look, let's get to the reality of the issue here. there are no one wants violence on the streets. benjamin nobody wants violence. but what's happened is for 14 years, people in this country have not had their voices heard. they have elected conservative governments in four elections and had one historic referendum in which time they, the people, were promised they'd have lower immigration time and time again. and what's happened? it's just gone up and people like keir starmer and people on the left can continue to ignore those people at their own peril. >> and clare, put yourself in the position of these young lads, right? they their job prospects. we've got mass migration coming into this country and levels would never, ever seen before. in fact, it's unprecedented really, around the world. even the fact, i mean, 2 million people went over the southern border of america and they said, oh my goodness. well, we had that over the last few years in legal migration. and then you consider the fact that they can't get on the housing market. they, you know, if you

want to get your kids into school, you're struggling with class sizes. and sir keir starmer has just made that even worse through getting rid of, well, making it harder for private schools to actually function. so all of these things , function. so all of these things, their prospects ain't great. would you accept that? >> yeah, i do accept that and i don't i don't think the cause of this is migration. i think that thatis this is migration. i think that that is one side of it. and it's quite interesting when you look at those young people taking part in these riots, because that's what they're doing . what that's what they're doing. what are they asking for? because they can't seem to get across an actual message as to what it is. they're very angry about. they're very angry about. they're obviously very angry about something. and politicians, elected representatives of all levels have never managed to boil down what are the underlying causes now? migration is going to be one of them. and if you are in certain areas, you will have a certain areas, you will have a certain view of it. but also i think this is largely education. we need to educate, especially boys. now i have a teenage boy, so i'm very acutely aware of this. i think that we need to take education a lot more seriously in this country. don't

write people off just because they come from perhaps a more poverty stricken background . poverty stricken background. actually look at what they can do. look at the apprenticeships they can do. and i think if you start to give people belief in themselves, they will stop taking on this kind of anger because at the moment they're written off as just useless. they're not, they're talented, been written off by the government, haven't they? a multiple governments, multiple governments, correct? >> yes. >> yes. >> it really is , i agree. >> it really is, i agree. >> it really is, i agree. >> don't bother. i mean, i'm to be honest with you, i think university these days is for most people is quite the waste of time. but i remember one teacher saying, oh, don't bother applying. you know, that'll never happen. >> there's job descriptions that are put up by tfl that said, need not apply. if you're white engush need not apply. if you're white english boy, that's also another point. >> straight boy itv had that robert peston flagship show. benjamin was eager to apply but couldn't get on the list. >> i'm still hoping for my big break. >> yeah, right. >> yeah, right. >> one last thing i want to say about oh hang on, hang on, we've got to move on. >> but we'll come back to those topics right. who's going to go next? well, i believe it's me darren. >> oh dear oh dear. indeed. the

orwellian nightmare begins, doesn't it? less than one month in to stalin. oh, sorry. starmer's reign as prime minister. and we've already seen the justice department weaponized and used as a tool to spread fear amongst ordinary people in our country. now, i don't just blame labour for this, because these are laws that the conservative government also wrote, by the way. but now it appears just speculating onune it appears just speculating online might get you a knock on the door by the met police and it's not going to end there, britain, because next you're going to see islamophobia laws coming into place, which may even reduce your right to question anything that happens regarding immigration in our country. i know people are upset.i country. i know people are upset. i know they're angry. i never want to see violence on our streets, but until we have a conversation, a grown up conversation, a grown up conversation about immigration in this country that's been ignored for 14 years and one historic referendum, then people are rightfully going to continue to protest, and they should do peacefully. now, claire, i would say that the conservative

governments over the last 14 years have contributed dramatically to this problem by writing in laws that could be relatively, relatively draconian. they never used them, but this is labour weaponizing those laws, is it not? >> yeah, i think it probably is. and i think we have to be really careful. i mean, there is free speech in this country which we are very proud of. but there's also responsibility that comes with it. i find the online safety act to not be fit for purpose, and that's one of the key factors i find in, in this whole debate, is that we're not understanding the online presence of individuals passing of information and who can access that. and i think we need to take it much more seriously. >> benjamin, obviously, you're a bastion of free speech. you never block anybody, including myself. what do you think about how labour is using these laws? >> well, i'm a newspaper journalist by profession and have been doing that since i was about 19. and the laws that regulate what you can say on a tv show, more accurately, what you can say in a newspaper, the kind of responsibility that is put on media professionals that report on the news is

significantly greater than anything that is put on social media. and i think it is completely out of sync with reality. the danger of what a regular person can write that is inaccurate, the scale of which it can pass through people far greater than any newspaper circulation. and it is essential that we make clear to people that we make clear to people that you cannot lie on the internet. now, i know that would damage your follower count considerably. alex, given the kinds of things that you write that are complete nonsense, well, just take a look at your own, benjamin. >> really? you really should. i mean, i've never lied about anything online. just. just to be. just to be very clear, we don't want the audience being misled. but i would say, yes, you're right. journalists should be held to account because they're seen as a source of truth. and newsworthiness. and therefore people should look at what journalists are saying and take the information from that. i don't think you can hold accountable a person on twitter the same way you should hold a journalist accountable. it's the same way that you wouldn't hold me making a policy statement out of my back garden, the same way

you would hold keir starmer accountable. we're all in those professions for a reason. but do you not think that the recent case we just saw the other day where where a judge came out and said just observing the riots might get you banged up? do you think that's fair? >> well, i think what they said was videoing it and sharing it online. now, the reason they were saying that is nothing new, because if you are doing that to incite other people to riot, well, inciting violence, inciting a riot has been a criminal offence for about 40 years. >> we've never seen this weaponized before. no, that's not correct. >> if you are neutrally observing what's going on, i think people can figure out whether you're trying to promote it as an exciting thing to join in, and that should be dangerous because, you know, all those businesses that are ruined, all those police officers that are being attacked, they don't deserve that. and if you're going out there and filming it in order to encourage other people to do that, yes, that should be a criminal offence. yeah. >> but who says what is true and what is not true? because during covid, for example, people's accounts were getting banned for saying, oh well, the covid, you know, virus came out of a lab, you know, and that happened to my post and, you know, inciting

violence doesn't mean reposting a video of a riot. you just spreading information. you're not saying, oh, go out and right or go out and loot. but when we have a mainstream media, we have a mainstream media that is saying, oh, it's all the far right. there's none of the islamists, it's none of the people of colour rioting. and they try to blame it all on the far right, falsely. people on x have the right to expose that, including elon musk. and i'm saying no public square now. exactly. and what i'm saying is like, look, freedom of speech only applies when someone says something you don't like, right? so this idea that, oh, if you criticise islam, you're islamophobic. no, i do not believe in that. if you criticise things based on facts, you're allowed to have an opinion, right? and you have to be able to have freedom of speech in society without being called a bigot or a racist. and, you know , so i don't agree. okay. >> we'll leave that there. thank you very much , younis, and thank you very much, younis, and thank you very much, younis, and thank you to the panel still to come tonight. what's going on with katie price? where do we start? and what does it say about celeb culture more broadly? but next

coffee chain pret a manger has announced that some staff will start to wear body cameras in a bid to protect themselves. what does this say about law and order in our country? you with the saturday five live on gb news

welcome back to the saturday five. as always , thank saturday five. as always, thank you very much for your messages about tonight's topics. i've just seen a great one that i have now lost because you're all talking so fast, but thank you for doing it, david says good evening david. darren, we need social to media actually work out and make our own minds as to what's going on in the world, especially now, the mainstream media. newspapers don't give a fair and balanced , unbiased view fair and balanced, unbiased view anymore. those far left , anymore. those far left, so—called anti—racist protesters so—called anti —racist protesters were so—called anti—racist protesters were all militant and civil servants shipped in by labour unions. people etc. with

identical placards in england and ireland. starmer probably came up with the idea at the cobra meeting. it's not a true reflection of our society and i'm afraid king charles fell for it. lots to chew through there. thank you very much for that, david, and, well, there's lots of love for benjamin butterworth and paul ryder says, never mind fake news. katie price should be done for fake boobs. oh oh, gosh. right. well moving on. yeah it's time for our next debate. yeah. >> mine. mine are all real. my topic this week is about an up—market sandwich chain that has decided that rule that customers are getting so unruly that they're giving staff body cams to wear in stores. pret a manger, which has several hundred branches, most of them are in london, is giving body cams to its servers because it's had a third rise in incidents in its chains , and it thinks that

its chains, and it thinks that staff need that to stop customers behaving in that way. now, this comes on the back of lots of supermarkets handing out body cameras to staff. the co—op chain has said that it's seen a very sharp rise in the number of customers being abusive, whether it's sexually or physically, and this figure shocked me. there have been 16.7 million thefts in the last year. i mean, that is an incredible number. now, i don't know if that calculates the number of items sold. i can only assume it does, but that shows we've got a serious problem. but i thought this was a big question because the idea that you're talking to someone face to face, a waiter or someone in a sandwich shop and they're filming your every move, is that not a step into a sort of dystopian society when you can't even buy a prosciutto butty? if anyone's ever used that phrase without being filmed now, darren, what do you make of this? >> well, it's not great, but it that way you know, that shop staff feel that they have to protect themselves by recording

their every last move within a shop. but i'm afraid that this and i. before you start, i'm not just blaming the labour party. i blame the conservative party too . blame the conservative party too. i think that we have allowed lawlessness to run rampant, that criminals no longer fear the law . criminals no longer fear the law. so now shops are having to take the precautions . how sad that the precautions. how sad that we're ending up with a sort of san francisco ization of locking away everyday items in shops, because they'll just get swiped off the shelves. otherwise, i think that we've got to get tough, and i'm afraid london is exactly the route that all parts of britain are heading down. if we continue down this very weak route , instead of, dare i say, route, instead of, dare i say, banging up a bloke for getting one too many shandies at the bingo and shouting at a copper, maybe we should bang up some more proper criminals that run around and steal things off shelves and run around with knives and all the rest of it. we are becoming a lawless hellhole, i'm afraid. >> i don't think. i don't think

that's true. but, claire, do you think it's fair to be filming people all day, every day? because, you know, the abuse of staff and the thefts is clearly gone through the roof in the last couple of years, but i found myself almost being a bit libertarian on this because i was like, do you know what? i don't want to buy a cup of tea and have everything i say be filmed, but you've got to look at the flip side of it. >> the people that are working there are working for minimum wage or just above. do they deserve the kind of treatment that they get from some people? and they do get it, and i've heard it and some people's attitude towards people who work in shops, in fast food or in a supermarket is appalling. so why should they have to put up with that? they're not paid enough and you know that the police aren't going to come and back you up. so if you've got some little oik in the corner nicking a whole load of baguettes or prosciutto butties, if you're in benjamin's world, what are you going to do? >> a bacon butty? but they definitely don't sell. >> you're not going to call the keystone cops down the road because they're not going to come out. are they? so at least if you've got it filmed, you

know, for your own safety that it's on film, you haven't abused them. they cannot come back and say, well, this person hit me. they threw a cup of tea at me, whatever it is, because you've got it filmed and it's a sad state of affairs that we actually have. >> the thing is, the police don't even follow it up. i mean, i remember a few years ago, i was in a coffee chain, and it's the only place i've ever had something nicked in a coffee shopin something nicked in a coffee shop in this country. and it's happened twice. and it was the exact same shop of this chain. well, it's a deterrent, isn't it? and both times i reported it to the police and they said, oh, we don't, we can't even act. they're too busy. >> they've got they've got protest after protest happening every weekend in london. i mean, they're too busy to respond to they're too busy to respond to the to the theft of anything at this point in time. the reality is those cameras are just a deterrent to stop people from being abusive or for it to get to that point in the first place in case they do become violent. >> another david says it's a different one, i promise, says darren. my local wetherspoon staff wear body cams and he lives in a small town, he says. so it's not just, you know, places that populate in london. >> i mean, you just why do you, do you think we've become a rude

country? are we an angry country? are we an angry country? clearly, this isn't just a few louts, right? it's a lot of people. >> no, i think nigel farage said this the best. i don't think you can even get prosecuted if you steal up to £1,000 worth of stuff. because the police are so understaffed and usually. and you would see this all the time, like if you call the police and you have any problem, they're not going to do anything about it unless it's a violent crime. and that's because the police are on the stuff. they don't actually have enough people to deal with everyday petty crimes. right. and in terms of the camera, i would say we have cameras everywhere all the time anyway, so it doesn't really make a difference whether they wear it on their body or whether it's on the ceiling. i just think there is there as a deterrent, you know, when i. >> michael says the security of staff is more important than objecting to the anonymous filming. whilst ordering a latte. benjamin, what do you say to that? >> i mean, i find myself kind of undecided on this because, you know, nobody should be abusive. i'm not convinced if the answer to stopping abuse and stopping thefts was more cameras. well, i think the scale that we already have that would have stopped by now. and the truth is that police stations aren't entitled

to the cctv footage straight away. they delete it after a couple of days because it costs organisations a bomb to hold on to that. and there are lots of rules about holding on to footage and so i just think, you know, i really don't like the idea that every interaction we had is have is filmed, that everything could be raked up in the future, that people could hold it over you and also, you know what, if the staff has been rude and then you've said something back and then they could kind of come at you with it. >> i mean, yeah, it.— >> i mean, yeah, it's as it. >> i mean, yeah, it's as you've just said, if it's deleted after a couple of days, then what is your concern that somebody can bnng your concern that somebody can bring it up after a number of years, months or whatever? if you're behaving badly, you're behaving badly and you need to behaving badly and you need to be called out on it. i don't see the issue here, but as you say, the issue here, but as you say, the police aren't looking at it because they don't. >> and the reality, the reality. >> and the reality, the reality. >> alex has never seen a camera. he didn't like. >> i mean, says you, benjamin, give me a break. you're on every tv show you could possibly get on. you know, the reality is, is that this is a policing problem. and if we had less police scouring social media for people to writing dirty tweets and put them out on the streets and actually solved some crimes, there would not there wouldn't

be this problem in the first place. >> i think it's just the policing problem, though. i feel like amazon has solved this problem well with the shops that they have. so you walk into the shop and everything's censored. so even if you pick something up, it cannot be stolen because it will be taken out of your bank account. >> now she burst through the barriers. >> that is a smart idea. that's the only way we can defeat. >> well, that actually, that leads me on. i will ask that question on that. but the first point i want to make is this from andy, who says the main criminality taking place in the ready to eat chain, you mention is the price of their soggy sandwich. >> that's a good point. >> that's a good point. >> it is quite pricey. there aren't many of them in the north. benjamin, so someone else says you're making yourself sound like a right antonian. and the second point. the second point is that i would say on that point, eunice , are we not? that point, eunice, are we not? does the panel think that we're heading down a really authoritarian route? if we start having sensors on food items in order to stop people from nicking them? >> the thing is, the police is not going to do anything about people nicking stuff because they're understaffed and they're not going to come to your local

co—op store, and because you stole a steak, no one's going to do that. they'll be like, okay, just get over it. >> just, just just to add to this, by the way, when i lived in united states, they were trialling out vending machines for food items. so you had to pay for food items. so you had to pay before you could even get to a sandwich for example. it's absolutely insane. and this is where we're going. look at california. it's a total mess. >> yeah, exactly. in san francisco. and that's the problem. so we have to come up with new technologies to solve this problem. and the only way we can stop stop shoplifting is that when you walk into a shop, you scan your card, you go in, everything's censored. everything you pick up and you walk out of it. it's going to be taken out automatically out of your bank account. unfortunately, that's the police officers now wear body cams, has routine. >> i think that was a good thing because you'd seen, you know, not anything like the extent of the us, but in this country you'd seen too many examples where it seemed like police were overstepping the mark. and it was as a way to try and curtail some police officers. but also it's been very useful in evidence for when, you know people being arrested. try and say they haven't said something. so i think, you know, body cams in that context are good, but i'm not sure that i want every inch of my daily life to be

filmed and documented. >> benjamin. because cassandra has a good point. she says benjamin was just complaining about losing a load of vapes and is now complaining about shop staff with body cameras. the police are going through people's social media posts, so why shouldn't food shop staff wear body cameras and protect themselves that way? >> exactly. i mean, i think one of the reasons it was so easy to prosecute the people that have already been convicted was because it was filmed and it didn't need a body cam. i doubt there was any staff in those shops by the point that they were being looted. that was probably the whole point. i just think that we have to be careful about this because it becomes a rather unpleasant society when everyone is watching everyone on the most mundane tasks, such as buying your lunchtime sandwich, jail says i agree. >> workers need protection, but i've seen too many online posts of people being vilified for misgendering someone or something like that . she's something like that. she's worried that actually that will become more of a theme. you'll become more of a theme. you'll be wearing a body cam. we always misgender benjamin, right now we are going to go to, well, a break, but still to come though elon musk seems to be engaged in a battle with the united

kingdom's government. we'll discuss that. but next, katie price has been ordered by a judge to attend a court hearing on a bankruptcy later in the month . no ifs, no buts. what month. no ifs, no buts. what doesit month. no ifs, no buts. what does it say about celeb culture, though, that she was away having a facelift before actually doing it? you're with the saturday five live on gb news

welcome back to the saturday five. as always , thank you very much for always, thank you very much for your comments and emails about tonight's debates. your comments and emails about tonight's debates . and, tonight's debates. and, alexander has written in. and to start you off, claire, katie price from intellectual bankruptcy to financial bankruptcy to financial bankruptcy , she's still in the bankruptcy, she's still in the limelight. a seasoned pro. so that's some food for thought there. and, a few others. now they're very much going for saying that , actually. well,

saying that, actually. well, jacqueline says quite rightly . jacqueline says quite rightly. how dare that far left thug attack our lovely charlie peters and i think we all agree that thatis and i think we all agree that that is so incredibly wrong to intimidate journalists like that, is very, very wrong. and peter says, darren, i would say that the king is a left wing tree hugger. and he said he was appalled by the rwanda bill. so we know his politics well, peter, that's a worry if we do, isn't it? and janette says we should all wear body cams. we'd love to show employers how slack more shop staff or receptionists are. that's why productivity in this country is so low. that's why benjamin's against them, jeanette. because people will see how little he does. that's the reason. right? okay. who's going to go next, then? >> oh, shall i take this one? >> oh, shall i take this one? >> oh, shall i take this one? >> oh, away you go . >> oh, away you go. >> oh, away you go. >> well, katie price, the story that keeps on giving. if i had been caught for speeding, which i may have been some time ago, i got some points on my license. i

had to accept that i was wrong. and my mother then called me a criminal for about two months afterwards. if you're katie price, on the other hand , you price, on the other hand, you can be banned from driving five times. you can crash your car, you can be done for drink driving , but still you're driving, but still you're treated as if it was just a minor offence. and only this week we have seen katie price miss a bankruptcy hearing . quite miss a bankruptcy hearing. quite serious. she owes an awful lot of money to the tax man. again, if that was any of us, we would all have had to have paid the fine. we would have been hauled up in court and some of us could even end up in prison. so we've seen some pretty fast justice this week for other people. but katie price managed to disappear off and have yet another facelift in turkey. she spent another £10,000 on some corrective surgery and was arrested on her return to from heathrow. the judge had had enough so she's been hauled up, she's been put into court. but again, why can she get away with this? and i think that we see

this? and i think that we see this more often than not that you can do these wrong things. you can put on a very sorry face and a very dodgy outfit and go into court and say, i'm terribly sorry, i'm a mother. i have mental health issues, i have ptsd , whatever it may be, and ptsd, whatever it may be, and you seem to get away with it. that wasn't the case with my three points being caught on the m4 a very long time ago. i had to accept that i was wrong. the police officer told me not to do it again and i behaved for the rest of my times. so why is it different? why can celebrities, on the one hand, be revered by so many people and then just think that they can get away with all of these items and the life doesn't apply to them? the laws of the land are different. what do you think, benjamin? >> i find this really interesting because you know , interesting because you know, i'm cynical as to whether this series of events was an accident. there were push notifications to millions of phones as katie price was arrested at heathrow airport. there was a scrum of cameras and reporters from mainstream mass outlets as she turned up to

court with the damages of her facelift . she said that i'll facelift. she said that i'll make lots of money from doing interviews in prison. you won't katie, because no one can pay you when you're in prison. that's an offence for a journalist to do that. and i think it's a problem that goes back maybe 10 or 20 years of the norms of society being subverted for fame. it goes back to paris hilton in her orange jumpsuit, becoming ten times as famous for going to prison . becoming ten times as famous for going to prison. in becoming ten times as famous for going to prison . in recent going to prison. in recent years, we've seen people like missy, who was an online terror that went into people's homes and did horrible things and became famous for it, eventually got convicted of that and says he's reformed his life, so that's good. but i think the problem is that you make more money from subverting the rules, from being a dramatic danger than you do from following them. and this is a monetisation of bad behaviour. >> well, i mean, there's the pot calling the kettle black. >> please, if this was a facelift so dramatic, i meant make it. but but do you see what i'm saying? online drama sells.

>> yes. and also hypocritical opinions sell. you know, as in, you know, loving net zero and then flying around the world every three months. i don't know, benjamin, but you know, you're you're right, claire, and i think we are. we do hold our celebrities to different standards and people who are in the spotlight quite regularly have a big following. and they get comfortable with that. they get comfortable with that. they get comfortable with having lots of powerful people around them and think, i don't need to go to court. that's where the lower people, i'll just show up when it suits me . and i think people it suits me. and i think people are sick and tired of that. yeah, absolutely. >> and if you're a woman and i was always very impressed many years ago that she was a strong woman in charge of her own life. she did her own thing. she was striking out, making her businesses work as a single mother, as a single mother. and you sort of look at it and you think, oh, how far you've fallen. you've bought into your own celebrity. you've bought into the fact that everybody around you is saying yes to you the whole time . but the judicial the whole time. but the judicial system shouldn't have the same as, as a fan to sort of say, oh, well, we love you. the judicial system should do their job. and system should do theirjob. and it just it feels to me that she

could get away with all of this , could get away with all of this, whereas none of the rest of us could. those levels of motoring offences, dangerous driving, you know, you couldn't do it. >> is there a is there an argument? >> and i'm not saying i necessarily hold this view, but is there not an argument that maybe she she is unwell, like maybe she she is unwell, like maybe she she is unwell, like maybe she actually has? i mean, you know , there just seems to be you know, there just seems to be you've got six facelifts, more lifts than the stannah stairlift. >> but then why are your friends and your family not putting in some kind of intervention? i'm sure that good friends around you , if you had that kind of you, if you had that kind of affliction, would be saying, right, come on, darren, if i had six, lay off the face. >> be grateful . >> be grateful. >> be grateful. >> eunice, what do you think? because i think you've been in a university recently. do you think people are more bothered about the drama they can cause onune about the drama they can cause online than actual conventional good behaviour? >> very briefly. >> very briefly. >> eunice. sorry. and your answer. >> yeah. very quick. yeah. >> yeah. very quick. yeah. >> so basically i just think, reality tv is a systematic dumbing down of society and not

just katie price. people like kim kardashian. and i feel like the fact that so many girls look up to these people especially, it's just really sad . and i was it's just really sad. and i was actually on a reality tv show myself on mtv. it was called love at first life from two years ago, and i just went there for the experience, you know? but it was just, well, yeah, i don't watch it and i don't encourage anyone. well, you dodge your fines whilst we find out what happened on that reality television program. >> still to come tonight we'll be joined by the director of the free speech union, toby young, to discuss potential reviews of social media laws by the government. plus, it's almost time for the saturday scrap. but next x boss elon musk has locked heads with the uk government in recent days , regularly recent days, regularly commenting on law and order in this country. we'll look more closely at what's been going on with the saturday five live on gb news

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back to the saturday five, and thank you for your messages about tonight's topics and i just want to read one out very quickly, julie says darren why do you keep cutting eunice off? well julie, i'm delighted to say that i'm going to give him five whole minutes now and there will be no commercial break for that time. so he gets to speak. julie, i do apologise, eunice. take it away. >> so is elon musk now the official opposition to the labour party? because this week, in a series of tweets, he attacked keir starmer for two tier policing and the mainstream media for biased journalism. i'm a big fan of elon musk myself. i feel like the price he paid for twitter, which was $44 billion, was the price for free speech because during that time, and if you look back at what's happened in the 2020, the amount of censorship that we had on all platforms, people's accounts platform s, people's accounts were platforms, people's accounts were taken down. there was election interference in america, especially with the whole biden and hunter biden's

laptop. so elon musk bought free speech. he didn't bought by x. and what we have now is that we have a crackdown on free speech, which is very worrying for me because x is the last platform where people can openly say what they want to say without being cancelled, and i just think it's completely out of order for keir starmer and the labour government to try to crack down on people, put people in jail for their opinions online. that's a george orwellian future and i do not agree with it. and i've always said, if we don't have freedom of speech, then we will have war, because one of the pillars of democracy is freedom of speech and freedom of expression. and that's what actually separates the first world from the third world. so, alex, what do you think? >> yeah, i couldn't agree more with you, eunice. and obviously a good friend of mine, elon musk, you know, he retweeted that's right. and he gets it. he understands the problem. he sees it from a global perspective, given the fact that he runs this

major, major platform. he sees governments cracking down systematically on people's right to do simple things like speculate, for example. and it is worrying . it speculate, for example. and it is worrying. it is speculate, for example. and it is worrying . it is worrying when is worrying. it is worrying when you're the man running a multi—billion dollar company where his whole the whole purpose is to allow people to, to have have their freedom of speech. and i think you're absolutely nailing it when you say that the country will countries in general, and democracies will fail when there is no right to freedom of speech. it's terrifying. it's absolutely terrifying. >> and you know what? i think it's very, very telling. and very bad that right now, at this pivotal moment for our country , pivotal moment for our country, when i think we've got pretty authoritarian, pretty damn quickly that actually there's no opposition. so elon musk is a big voice with a big platform who is saying things that i think is really needed in the pubuc think is really needed in the public debate. and i just want to ask the question, claire, where the hell is rishi sunak? >> yeah, well, that is a very good question . and i've long good question. and i've long considered the conservative party to be not very good in opposition, and they should be. they're this is the kind of

thing that they should be coming back on, and they should be pressing the issues to keir starmer as to how you're going to run a country, how you're going to look after your citizens. but nobody is seemingly pushing back on it. everybody seems to have gone off on their summer holidays and forgotten about the rest of the country, and i find that really disappointing. but i think that we have to be very, very careful by saying that everybody should just be allowed to say whatever it is they want, as in government, you need an opposition and i think social media you do, you can have your opinion. absolutely. i'm right and not, you know, not necessarily agree with it, but you should be able to have a discussion about what my opinion would be. and i think that's what's lost, is that you can't have that, because then everybody just piles onto you and says, well, you know, you're disagreeing, therefore you're wrong. i think we need to be very , very careful. very, very careful. >> elon musk doesn't give a damn about free speech. what he wants is for malicious and inflammatory claims to push up his profits by having more impressions of tweets and videos that makes him more money. these

people are not asking for the freedom of speech. they're asking for the freedom to be malicious and to lie. we know that these riots were sparked by completely made up claims about the identity of the alleged murderer. of those three poor kids in southport , that is what kids in southport, that is what led to this, and his platform did not take action, did not take it down, did not act responsibly and look where this ended up. lots of people buying in to malicious lies and i think any democracy, anyone that actually believes in freedom of speech stands up to that because they don't have a right to incite that behaviour, completely disagree with you because you think you should be able to lie about a muslim boat migrant . i'm able to lie about a muslim boat migrant. i'm not saying that's all. >> first of all, what i'm saying is that who is the arbiter of what is true and untrue? who decides that? does the bbc decides that? does the bbc decide that or does keir starmer decide that or does keir starmer decide that? well, it was a lie. no i'm not. >> we know it was a lie. no one disputes that. a week later. >> the thing is also the mainstream media lied about the far right rise. and i understand

what you're saying. >> someone lied and it led to a hell of a lot of cost to the pubuc hell of a lot of cost to the public purse and damage and elon musk should be in the dock. >> well, get on more. he should be more free speech after the break because coming up, we've got the director of the free speech union on the suggestion social media laws need to be reviewed in this country. and then we've got the saturday scrap. this is the saturday five only on gb news >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers sponsors of weather on gb news hello. welcome to your gb news. weather update from the met office as we go through sunday it's going to be a warm with plenty of sunshine turning hotter even on monday, with the risk of some thunderstorms. looking at the bigger picture, we had this waving front through today, bringing quite a lot of cloud , bringing quite a lot of cloud, but high pressure will become more established as we go through sunday. but back to tonight. we've still got a legacy of some cloud across parts of the south west, and

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>> it's saturday night and this is the saturday five. i'm darren grimes along with claire pearsall alex armstrong, eunice sadaghiani and benjamin butterworth. plenty more to come

tonight , butterworth. plenty more to come tonight, including some highlights from the king's statement on the riots. should the royals folks be getting involved and is free speech under threat as the government is set to tighten up those social media laws on fake news, we're asking that question. it's 7 pm. and this is the saturday five. right. we've got the bunch of five coming up also. then we'll be answering your questions in ask the five. please do send them through to gbnews.com/yoursay. we've got some cheeky and good ones already. i won't spoil it by telling everyone right now. first of all though, we're going to get you saturday night news with an even cheekier sam francis . francis. >> darren, thank you very much and good evening to you. it's just after 7:00. the top story

tonight, the parents of bebe one king, of the three young girls killed in the southport stabbings over a week ago, have described her as full of joy, of light and of love. they've also revealed her older sister saw the attack last monday at a dance class. but she managed to escape. well, it comes as anti—racism demonstrators have taken to the streets of london today, countering almost two weeks of anti—immigration protests and riots across england. that's after misinformation about the southport suspect sparked a wave of often violent riots in the caphal of often violent riots in the capital. thousands of campaigners were seen carrying signs and supporting refugees and opposing racism and islamophobia . authorities hope islamophobia. authorities hope the violence is subsiding, but thousands of specialist officers are still deployed on the streets this weekend. it comes as more than 740 people have now been arrested over the rioting, including the wife of a northamptonshire conservative councillor . meanwhile, in councillor. meanwhile, in belfast, police are treating an

attack on a mosque as racially motivated. tonight a petrol bomb was thrown at a building in county down earlier but didn't go off. graffiti was also painted on the front door and the walls of that building. as i said, misinformation about the southport stabbing suspect has sparked that wave of often violent protests across belfast and our reporter dougie beattie has been there for us today as thousands of people took to the streets for the second week in a i'ow. >> row. >> belfast city centre is now closed down because of protests . closed down because of protests. this one, though, is pro—immigration , fronted up by pro—immigration, fronted up by the trade unions of northern ireland, gay pride and amnesty international . ireland, gay pride and amnesty international. but more importantly, the political classes have joined in and many in those working class areas that are facing the majority. the biggest amount of undocumented immigration now feel that their political voice has gone . this parade will, due has gone. this parade will, due to end in the next hour, but it

remains the scene. what will happenin remains the scene. what will happen in the coming days ? happen in the coming days? >> you know the news. a 32 year old man has been charged in connection with a shooting outside a restaurant in east london in may, which left a nine year old girl seriously injured. she is still in hospital, though is now in a stable condition. after that attack, jayvon riley , after that attack, jayvon riley, from farnborough in hampshire, has been remanded in custody today accused of four counts of attempted murder in cornwall. concert goers have been left with broken bones after what's been described as a terrifying crowd surge at boardmasters music festival. it also saw some speakers fall into the crowd there. a number of people, including children, were caught including children, were caught in the crush, with some taken to hospital. seven people now, though, have been discharged . though, have been discharged. however, devon and cornwall police have confirmed there were no serious injuries and it's also understood the festival will continue into the weekend . will continue into the weekend. israel says it did target a hamas militants operating out of a school sheltering displaced

palestinians in central gaza. it disputes, though the gaza and health ministries claim that over 80 people were killed in the strike. however the eu's foreign policy chief has condemned what he's called the massacre, arguing there's no justification. two chinese warships have passed through uk waters twice in just three weeks. the royal navy says a british frigate kept close watch as they travelled to and from russia. they were assisted by vessels from france and from belgium . a cat stretching spray belgium. a cat stretching spray painted onto an empty billboard is the latest banksy to appear in london. the image is the sixth in a series of animal themed pictures which have sprung up around the capital in the past week. art lovers, though, have been trying to work out the meaning of the quirky paintings, and it won't be there much longer, as contractors have been hired to remove it in case someone rips it down or leaves it unsafe . and in sport, team it unsafe. and in sport, team gb's medal haul has grown by just one so far. today, the

penultimate day of the paris olympics , diver noah williams olympics, diver noah williams got his bronze in the ten metre platform. men's diving. he only squeezed through qualifying in 12th but saved his best dives for that final and it adds to the silver. he's also collected alongside tom daley in the synchro event earlier in the games, and they'll also be at least one more medal guaranteed later, with caden cunningham definitely going to get a taekwondo podium spot after making the final at his event. laura muir and georgia bell are also british hopefuls in the 1500 metres at the athletics tonight . those are the latest gb tonight. those are the latest gb news headlines. for now i'm sam francis. your next update from the newsroom at 8:00 for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone , sign up to news your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code, or go to gbnews.com >> forward slash alerts .

>> forward slash alerts. >> forward slash alerts. >> folks, it's saturday night and you're with us saturday five i'm darren grimes, and i can promise that you're in for another very lively hour. i want to read out some of your comments before we get to our big interview. well, we've got lots coming in, cassandra says at the rafe. free speech is disappearing. we'll all be meeting in local parks with max sunglasses and fedora hats. i think that's probably true. >> and that's how i met you. well, yes, i think that's what you were wearing. >> susan asks a very good question. she says. does benny think the same about that lunatic? this is going back to your social media comments from hope not hate spreading the news about how the far right protesting, which was a hoax. it turned out he said it was a hoax. and of course the acid attack thing that went around that was terrible. >> well, he said it was a hoax. and then he said it wasn't a hoax. he just really seemed to make his mind up about that. interestingly, all about and true. >> brit says, oh, here we go. elon doesn't need x. he did it for free speech. i don't have words for him anymore. i assume the him is you, he has $200

billion and paid over the odds for x, which you can only dream of and has principles , and yet of and has principles, and yet that's what matters. so he's principled. >> i can't confirm i don't have $200 billion or principles, but i will marry your principles. very good. >> and then susan says, would you please ask benjamin butterworth if he was dropped on his head by a pensioner when he was a baby? it would explain so much on so many levels. >> i was actually taken on houday >> i was actually taken on holiday by my grandparents and nearly bitten by a dog. so it's a similar story, right? >> okay, well, let's move on to our yes, quickly to tonight's big interview. >> now, as we've mentioned, tech companies are set to be forced to actually ban fake news. who's the arbiter, as you asked earlier, of fake news. these are plans under consideration by the government in the wake of the riots. the telegraph has reported that ministers are looking at introducing a legal obugafion looking at introducing a legal obligation on social media companies to restrict legal but

harmful content . it could mean harmful content. it could mean that social media companies could be required to remove or suppress posts spreading fake news about asylum seekers or other topics such as self—harm, for example , even if they're not for example, even if they're not classed as illegal. where do we draw the line, folks? is this free speech under threat? in what is the 2024 de facto public square? well joining us, i can think of no one better is the general secretary of the free speech union, mr toby young. toby, thank you very much for your company. just how worried are you by these proposals ? are you by these proposals? >> i'm pretty worried. darren so the free speech union and other free speech campaigners, lobbied hard against the inclusion in the online safety bill. not of the online safety bill. not of the words legal but harmful. they were never actually in any draft of the online safety bill. but the proposal was that the secretary of state at dcms would

have the ability, under the new law, to draw up a list of content that was lawful but awful, legal but harmful, though those words didn't appear in the bill that social media companies would then be obliged on pain of being fined huge sums of money to remove, so they'd be forced to remove, so they'd be forced to remove, so they'd be forced to remove the content on this list of legal but harmful stuff that the secretary of state at dcms had drawn up. we thought that was a hostage to fortune. we thought it was perfectly possible that a labour secretary of state in the not too distant future, who wanted to ban content that they politically disapproved of, but which wasn't against the law, would draw up one of these lists and force social media companies like x, like facebook, to remove it. the reason we lobbied against that, darren, was for several reasons, one of which has come up in this discussion you've been having, which is, well, who gets to decide? why should lisa nandy, the current secretary of state at dcms, get to decide what is

misinformation and what isn't? we know from experience that misinformation is often just a euphemism that people use for opinions. they disapprove of. but i think a more fundamental reason, darren, that we objected to it, is that one of the cornerstones of english liberty is the english common law principle that if something isn't explicitly prohibited by law, then it's permitted. then you're allowed to do it. and this created a new grey area, which effectively said it may be permitted by law, but you're still not allowed to say it on social media companies. we thought that was a departure from that sacrosanct principle underpinning our liberties. that's been a core feature of engush that's been a core feature of english common law, and one of the things which differentiates engush the things which differentiates english common law from the napoleonic code on the continent, whereby unless something is explicitly allowed, you're not allowed to do it. that's obviously a much more draconian, restrictive legal approach. so we were really concerned about this. we lobbied against it. we persuaded the government it was a bad idea, and the government stripped this out of the online safety bill.

it's not surprising that labour wants to put it back in. they wants to put it back in. they want the power to essentially remove heretical, dissident content from social media. just one example of the kind of thing that social media companies would be more likely to remove. if the labour party does amend the online safety act in this way. only today we learned that richard dawkins, the famous biologist and atheist, has had his facebook account deleted because he said that he didn't think the boxer who won gold last night because they are a genetic male should have should be able to win a gold medal by fighting a genetic female and apparently that's the kind of hate speech that labour wants to see removed from social media. but facebook have done it anyway. in the case of richard dawkins. >> all right , toby, dawkins. >> all right, toby, i'm going to open that up to the panel. eunice, what would you say to what you've just heard? >> that's completely shameful. and it's all to do with control. okay. we have a social credit

system in china in which they have ai cameras in which they can recognise faces . and, you can recognise faces. and, you know, that's a george orwellian future. and slowly but surely, it's coming to the uk to the point where we're going to have a government that will ban accounts. and let's not forget your instagram or your meta or your instagram or your meta or your x is a digital asset. you put a lot of time and effort into it. you know all your connections. are there something you make money out of? is something that you make connections out of, and then the government can come and say, well, we disagree with you based on a false premise, and we're going to take that away from you, right? so what stops them in the near future? taking away your money or taking away your assets? and that's what a social credit system is. and that's what we're moving towards. it's all about control. i think keir starmer is a globalist puppet, and he's just doing their work for them. and we as a people have to resist this freedom of speech only matters is when something someone says something that you disagree with. >> and toby, on a purely political point, i mean, the labour party are moving pretty fast, right? on this stuff. i

mean, you've been in power, what, just over a month and now they're getting all this action out of the way and bringing back laws that you thought you had defeated. i mean, the free speech union is going to be busier than ever. >> yeah. we've had 500 people join, just this month. darren, but yeah, i think we anticipated that labour wouldn't be particularly keen on free speech, but i think even we've been surprised by the scale of the assault on free speech that's happened in just four weeks. first of all, there was the torpedoing of the freedom of speech act, something that passed both houses of parliament in the last parliament enjoyed cross—party support, was going to create better protections for academic freedom and free speech in english universities. that was torpedoed by the education secretary, the free speech union is legally challenging that decision. we think it's unlawful . decision. we think it's unlawful. we think that it was an abuse of executive power. the courts will decide, but that now we're seeing this attempt to amend the online safety bill, the encouragement of the

prosecutions of people for saying the wrong thing on social media companies. i mean, we're looking at the most authoritarian british leader, i think, since oliver cromwell. i mean, it's been truly shocking. and i think coming towards us, darren, we've got the criminalisation of islamophobia. i wouldn't be at all surprised if we have a westminster version of the scottish hate crime act, they've already said they're going to introduce a fully trans inclusive ban on conversion practices, which will mean, parents won't be able to have good faith conversations with their children, trying to discourage them from having life changing surgery. just because they're confused about their gendenl they're confused about their gender. i think it's entirely possible that the government may force newspapers and magazines to bend the knee to a state controlled press regulator, so i think we're seeing an all out war on free speech. darren, at the hands of this new, unbelievably authoritarian labour government, everyone i think, on my side of the aisle has been shocked by this, and i think it's only going to get

w0 i'se. woi'se. >> worse. >> well, toby, i'm going to let alex ask the next question because i'm to off pack my bags because i'm to off pack my bags because i'm to off pack my bags because i don't think i'm going to last very long under this government, by the sounds of it. >> yes. well, thank you for everything you do, toby. i think the free speech union's the only union i actually subscribe to. and i think you guys do fantastic work at protecting one of the most important values in our country in a worst case scenario, where do you see over the course of five years, free speech ending up towards the next general election? what are from your research, would you think? how far would labour push this ? this? >> well, we didn't think they'd pushit >> well, we didn't think they'd push it as far as they have in the past four weeks. so god only knows where we'll be in five years time. i mean, i think the, the real concern that i have is that not only will labour, significantly undermine our existing free speech protections, which is quite something, given that keir starmer styles himself, you know, a human rights, lawyer. i mean, our most important human right, after all, is the right to free speech. but i didn't

think we didn't think that the assault would be quite as frenzied and as extensive as it has been. but my big worry is that not only will all these changes to the law be made, but it'll be very hard to reverse them, even if the conservatives get back into power. keir starmer is busy completing the constitutional reforms that tony blair and gordon brown introduced. we're going to see more and more power transferred from parliament to various unelected officials, whether in quangos. whether in the civil service, whether to international bodies like the w.h.o. international bodies like the who. or the eu or the un. so w.h.o. or the eu or the un. so by the time the conservatives get back into power in five years time, god willing, they'll pull the levers and nothing will happen because power will have been completely drained away from our democratic institutions. and that seems to be part of keir starmer's plan. so my big worry is not only will they undermine free speech, but it won't be possible to reverse any of those changes, even if we do manage to get labour out in five years. >> all right, toby, i am going

to introduce someone now who does want to defend the right to ban those who refute that there are more than 100 genders. so i'm going to bring in benjamin butterworth. now, look, i think outside of this sort of spasming of paranoia in the real world, there are actually quite difficult questions . difficult questions. >> toby, when you write an article for a newspaper and magazine, you will know that typically it will go through lawyers. there are much more clearly defined , narrower rules clearly defined, narrower rules on what is acceptable to publish then the rules which exist for twitter or instagram. now, what we had in the last week or so was completely false, completely made up, claims about who the attacker of those kids in southport was that caused this problem. so the question i'd put to you is what consequence should there be for users online that repeated or whoever invented those false claims that then incited riots? >> well, i think i dispute the premise of your question,

benjamin. i don't think that the main cause of the social disorder we've seen over the past week has been misinformation on platforms like x, the main cause is roiling discontent with mass immigration and the failure of successive governments to address that pubuc governments to address that public unhappiness. that's clearly the main cause . and i clearly the main cause. and i don't think that, so—called misinformation that circulated in the immediate aftermath of the southport murders. i'm not sure that was the principal cause, either. most of the research into this area suggests that actually, things said on social media platforms don't actually cause social unrest , i actually cause social unrest, i mean, in the what the, the, the brixton riots of 2005, the disorder was blamed on pirate radio during the riots of 2011, year before the olympics. they were blamed on blackberry messenger. it's typical scapegoating, blame the

messenger, blame social media. do you think there are real problems here? and that's the cause of this discontent and this public disorder. but there are also people who there are people who sorry, i'm going to come in now. >> there are people who take advantage of real problems with inflammatory lies, and we know that happened in this instant that happened in this instant that we've seen in the last week and a half what should happen to somebody who lies and causes such damaging effects? >> it goes both ways. >> it goes both ways. >> well, if you're referring to the woman who was arrested, not necessarily . necessarily. >> lots of people did it with big platforms, and i know she's been arrested, so i won't comment on her. but somebody who does this, what should happen to them? >> well, i don't think , in that >> well, i don't think, in that case, she was lying. i mean, it remains to be seen. but i think it was a it was something she believed to be genuinely true, but she said when she said it, you know, if this is true. so she caveated it, and she took it down after a couple of hours

when she had reason to doubt, apologise. >> it wasn't true. >> it wasn't true. >> and i think i think there wouldn't have been speculation as to the identity of the attacker if the police had made it clear who the attacker was straight away. i think that's what nigel farage said, toby, and he was thoroughly rinsed for it . it. >> but we're going to have to leave that there. sadly, we're running out of time. but toby, we're going to have to get you back on because that was brilliant. thank you very much for your time. that's toby young of the brilliant free speech union. now folks, you're with the saturday five live on gb news. we're going to get feisty as claire and alex go head to headin as claire and alex go head to head in the saturday scrap. we're asking is borisjohnson we're asking is boris johnson right? i'll tell you you some more you some more about what he's saying. with the saturday five live

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need trump to get in so that america can tell the uk and the rest of europe about free speech if labour close it off, is what neil says, and sonia says, i don't know why the king has got involved. trouble indeed . and involved. trouble indeed. and jacqueline asks, who's a member of gb news? thank you very much. jacqueline. are we becoming a soviet state? we can't say anything in a minute. we won't be able to think anything unless labour says it's okay. and then someone asks a question of you. benjamin they ask, what do you think anything should happen if it were proven to hope, not hate, if they were . if it's true hate, if they were. if it's true about this hoax that brought people out onto the streets, you know, of these 100 elusive protests , nothing should happen protests, nothing should happen there. >> no, i'm not familiar with the case. >> oh, right. well, nick said it was a hoax. >> nick lowe said it was a hoax. >> nick lowe said it was a hoax. >> if it's a left wing person, does that change your is the question? >> i'm not familiar with the case, but i think that if you knowingly lie in order to inflame tensions , then that inflame tensions, then that absolutely should be within the bounds of criminality. and i say

that as a journalist, if a journalist had made the claim about the origin of the alleged murder of those kids, then, then i would be sacked and i would be before a court. and that is a long established precedent. i think that should apply to people with big platforms on the internet. >> all right. okay right. >> all right. okay right. >> well, it's time now for this . >> well, it's time now for this. >> well, it's time now for this. >> ding ding ding. it's time for tonight's main event. >> the former prime minister bofis >> the former prime minister boris johnson has said in his latest daily mail column that the current prime minister, sir keir starmer, fails to understand the root causes of unrest across the uk. has he got a point about this? is he right that, well, he basically told sir keir starmer to go off on houday sir keir starmer to go off on holiday so he could rethink and recalibrate. well seconds out it's round one. take it away folks. >> yes. well boris is back isn't he. he's back and he's in the

newspapers and he's got his big column out at the midst of the country falling apart at the seams. and today he said that keir starmer should either rethink his principles and his approach . essentially, he's been approach. essentially, he's been neglecting immigration and people calling for sensible discussion about immigration and keir starmer himself is off on holiday, as darren rightly said. so what should keir starmer do ? so what should keir starmer do? bofis so what should keir starmer do? boris thinks he should resign. he should either resign or rethink his strategy. he calls the whole way that labour's deau the whole way that labour's dealt with this situation utter stupidity. i find it very difficult to disagree with boris's words on this. had it not been for him overseeing the largest immigration figures on record coming into this country. so in one hand he calls for tighter security and immigration. on the other, he's now battling it out. but it seems to be the to be the leader of the opposition in de facto while rishi sunak in beverly hills. but he is right about what he's saying nonetheless. >> right. i mean, should we just unpack this for a second? is

bofis unpack this for a second? is boris johnson right, no . no, he boris johnson right, no. no, he really isn't. now, i'm not a supporter of sir keir starmer. i'm not a labour party member, but i find myself in the uncomfortable position of having to defend an awful lot of his actions. but if we take some of the accusations from boris johnson that sir keir starmer should go off on holiday, well , should go off on holiday, well, that's probably because boris johnson would have done exactly the same thing now if keir starmer had left the country. and i believe that he cancelled his holiday. it's a kind of you, damned if you do, damned if you don't situation. i'd like my prime minister to be around to actually deal with it. now, whether sir keir starmer is deaung whether sir keir starmer is dealing with it properly, you know, that's a moot point. but he is here. he is in the country. boris johnson missed a load of cobra meetings. do we not remember that if we cast our minds back to the pandemic now, whatever you think of the pandemic, he was there as prime minister. he should have had those cobra meetings. he chose not to turn up to five of them. so keir starmer has in fact held about 3 or 4 that we that we know of. so he is up on that count. so i find it a little bit

rich from somebody like boris johnson, who has led the government of the highest level of immigration figures that we have seen. he didn't stop illegal immigration. he promised to stop the boats. he really didn't. he put up the rwanda scheme as this great deterrent that's now been scrapped, because it costs a lot of money. we sent more journalists or home secretaries to rwanda than we did migrants, and it wasn't going to work anyway. so i think the boris johnson. yeah. how about you go back off on holiday, keep writing your column, look after your family. and you know what? leave the politics to the rest of us. well you know, i do certainly agree on the hypocrisy of boris johnson. >> i was somebody who enthusiastically voted for boris because i did believe he would get a grip on immigration and actually have sensible conversations about this. he failed to do so. that doesn't take away from his statement today, where he quite clearly is right about addressing this serious problem. and we've even had the chart, the shadow, the chancellor now, sorry, rachel reeves, who in 2016 said if we don't address this problem, there will be violence on the streets. and she was right.

boris, i do agree, has been a hypocrite. but what he's saying today people should heed because there is discontent, there's massive disenfranchisement of millions of people in this country who have been ignored, wilfully ignored through multiple governments, including boris's own. when it comes to having a sensible conversation about immigration. >> but this is the fact that he was prime minister for four years. so, or slightly under that. but why did he do nothing about it ? it's not a new about it? it's not a new problem. i do agree something has come up from time and time and time again. but he didn't have any answers to it and much more of a libertarian prime minister than i ever thought he was going to be. i thought that he was going to be more right wing and he was going to be more conservative, but he really wasn't. and i think that that's the problem is that he's very good at the soundbites. he is very good at writing. he is very good at putting across that argument, less so. it actually carrying out the things that he is accusing keir starmer of not doing. he didn't carry them out ehhen doing. he didn't carry them out either, but he seems to be sort of squinting from the sidelines, as he always does. >> i think you're right. but but

i think the message he's sending out the important bit is the message is correct. >> okay. right. we'll leave that there. grumpy grandad says boris writes a cracking page. he has all the right answers to everything. he's very good at it. but when it comes to putting any of it into action, he's useless, as he proved in office. but then true, brit says come back boris, all is forgiven. gove and rishi stabbed him in the back. i'm sorry boris, the panel don't like you. do you know i campaigned for boris in 2019. i i still like him and i'm grateful to him for all of the hard work he did to actually get brexit over the line. but i do think alex has a point that, you know, you can't say sir keir starmer let immigration run rampant when actually it happened under you, boris, i'm afraid. but what are the panel make of what you've just heard? >> well, i think boris johnson is just all talk and no action. i like him as a person. i think he's very charismatic. he's very funny in many ways, but he's he's just, you know, during his time we had a net zero policy and i think he just done that to impress his wife, to be honest

with you. and he spoke very tough on brexit, the version of brexit we have now in my opinion, is not really brexit. i do agree it's a it's a watered down and also immigration. he didn't stop the boats. the immigration skyrocketed on these premierships . so again all talk premierships. so again all talk no action as the comment said he's got all the right answers. but when it comes to taking them into action, concrete action, he doesn't do anything . doesn't do anything. >> benjamin maria says boris didn't have a chance to do anything unlike sir keir starmer because of course, covid. >> well , i'm because of course, covid. >> well, i'm not sure how much chance keir starmer has had to do anything, given there's been four weeks of parliament since the election, so it's a slightly moot. and of course, you know, bofis moot. and of course, you know, boris johnson was really bad at being prime minister. he was bad at getting anything done. all he did was throw money at problems and hoped to be popular. i think you might call him captain hindsight because he comes in a week after the problems , not week after the problems, not last saturday when it was really complicated and we couldn't work out what to do. he comes in now and i think, i mean, look, these riots have not reached the scale as they did in 2011, relatively

speaking. they were nipped in the bud. and there's a great piece in the times today because keir starmer was director of pubuc keir starmer was director of public prosecutions in 2011, and he said the lesson he took from that was that people should see the consequences of their actions as fast as possible and fast tracking these rioters through the court system so that everyone else wakes up seeing that another bloke has got nearly three years in prison for what they did, that has been the most effective deterrent. and that was keir starmer's own experience for being in charged last time. claire, one of our viewers, is miffed because this is actually the cobra. >> meetings were chaired by the relevant secretary of state and that's why boris wasn't at them. what do you say to that? >> no, he was actually meant to be there. and he is the prime minister. so yes, you can have the relevant secretaries of state there. but when you are the prime minister and you're on the prime minister and you're on the top of the invitation list and you just don't bother, hey, i'm trying to find, i think, no, let's let's just give boris some balance here. >> i mean, the man won a whopping election. he got something done with brexit that nobody could achieve. no prime minister before him was able to

achieve, frankly. and he did unite the country behind him to do that. was he frustrated, perhaps, by the liberal tories in his party? i believe he was, and maybe he saw. i've got ten years in front of me. i'll do these things slowly. so he may have thought i had more time, but unfortunately the knives came out from rishi sunak and gove and look where that ended up with the most useless prime minister and the most useless opposition leader we've ever had. >> well, look where that got people like you. it's always someone else's fault. you always want to blame everyone around you, rather than the fact that you're just bad at politics, bad at listening to people and let's point out when boris boring when bofis point out when boris boring when boris johnson was mayor of london and london was burning, he refused to come back from a holiday, let alone delaying his as keir starmer has. >> okay, still ahead, we take all of your questions and ask the five. nothing is off limits, so get them put in. next of all, though, kent council set to issue £100 in swearing fines and huw edwards is asked to return £200,000. it's almost time for a bunch of five. you're with the saturday five on gb

welcome back to the saturday five. as always, thank you very much for your messages about tonight's topics. john says labour and the tories are finished at the next election. the working class people of this country are done with them and grumpy grandad says i think starmer is actually making things worse . he could have things worse. he could have calmed everyone down with words. he just had to say i fully understand your worries about immigration and this is what i intend to do about it. and all this wouldn't have happened. instead, he chose to go on the attack and insult people and still refuses to discuss the matter. and he wonders why people are angry and neil asks , people are angry and neil asks, benjamin, where do you stand? on the left wing thug who attacked charlie peters and his crew in london earlier should he be fast tracked to the slammer? >> i think anybody that attacks another person, but particularly another person, but particularly

a journalist , because an attack a journalist, because an attack on a journalist is an attack on democracy, not just the individual. >> i agree, and one of our viewers has just written in some praise for charlie and actually says, please, could you pass on my best wishes to charlie peters? he's a brave guy and i hope he's okay. and i think we all share that sentiment. he is okay. i've just seen him, but yeah, i think he's doing really important work. he's a brave journalist and no one should be intimidated like that. and by the way, i even say that for sly news because that poor woman. yes indeed. well, in birmingham, that was terrible. but anyway, i'm going to shut my trap, because now it's time for this . because now it's time for this. all right, bunch of five. claire, what have you got for us? >> oh, following on from my hypocrisy theme earlier , huw hypocrisy theme earlier, huw edwards disgraced star at the bbc pocketed £200,000. i think he should give it back. what do you think. >> so >> so this >> so this is >> so this is the >> so this is the money >> so this is the money that

he's been paid since he was arrested? he was arrested? >> yeah. >> yeah. >> and i find it. and actually a far more difficult one. you know, when you look at it now and he's admitted to doing appalling things, well, then you see it in a very clear light of, you know, this is a wrong and you know, this is a wrong and you don't want to give him any money, but actually, the question is, when you're arrested, arresting someone is a pretty easy the low bar for a police officer to do that to an individual. i've been wrongfully arrested. i was the victim of an attack. that person called the police to try and trip them up on getting them. should i have lost my job and my income at that point? no, of course i shouldn't. and so actually, i think the bbc wasn't wrong to keep paying him just on being arrested. i think the real criticism here is for the wrong and himself. huw edwards, who was knowingly lying, he obviously didn't tell them or presumably didn't tell them that he was going to admit to being paedophile. >> but i do think there are some questions to answer from the bbc, because they knew what the allegations were and they knew that it contained underage

children . yes. children. yes. >> i think this is the really i think point that's the real point. >> yes. >> yes. >> it's now they're playing the sort of oh, he must give us the money back. well why did you give him it at the time? >> absolutely. >> absolutely. >> and there may be some legal reason if the bbc would like to, you know, come on and answer that question, then surely that'll be great. >> he's finished now, right? why would he hand that money back? >> i mean, i'm not here morally. he absolutely should. but the bbc should have been a lot cleverer, a lot smarter, and a lot quicker at this because those poor people had suffered. they knew of those allegations and did nothing. >> yeah. and this, this seems to be an ongoing problem at the bbc. there's lots of weird stories about these awful people who seem to work there for long penods who seem to work there for long periods of time. we won't name everybody and seem to be getting paid huge sums of money. sometimes there's even a cover up that happens, and then we find out about it very much later on. and then the public are outraged. but i think we need to hold the bbc to account on this. >> alex, what have you got? >> alex, what have you got? >> yes. so. and another extraordinary event this week. there's been a couple of mps, old ex posts being circulated.

twitter back in those days. might you say lauren edwards mp was somebody who saw her historical tweets going viral? so i'm asking the question, should mps who have got questionable tweets resign in the current day? >> yeah, i think in the modern age, in the advent of the internet, we're seeing a generation who have grown up with the internet that people, when they're young say and do stupid things, right. you post silly stuff. i'm sure you're young, darren, but you're still saying and doing stupid things. >> i don't know how you dare, but the fact of the matter is, it shouldn't carry around for the rest of your life. >> you know, she said , i don't >> you know, she said, i don't think she should, she's deleted her account now. >> deleted her account now. of course, she's not the only one whose tweets have surfaced this week. we've also had old tweets. this is not new. news from wes streeting appeared where he talked about some some relatively what people might call violent things. and my problem is, i feel it shows the character of somebody deep down that they've been exposed. now they're this corporate machine that's been tidied up by the party. i think that something

underlying there shows who they really are. >> well, benjamin, i mean, is that fair? is that a fair criticism? because i don't know if about you, but i've never called for the attack of a daily mail columnist. >> i mean, i know both those mps. i've known this kent mp long before she was an mp, and she was always extremely pleasant. i actually don't think the tweets were that bad. they were just sort of childish. one of them was slightly racist and rhetoric. yeah, but i mean, you know, it was we call that reform mps for far less than that. and i do think that kids can't be hypocritical, stupid things that they don't mean. as for wes streeting, i've known since i was a teenager, he's definitely not like an aggressive person or like that, so it isn't as though it required a party machine to tidy him up. the difficulty is that people say really stupid and unacceptable things as kids, and unacceptable things as kids, and now we have a generation that have come into power, and should you be holding them accountable for that now, i think that if you do that, then we might be writing off a lot of us. >> us. >> all right, right. >> all right, right. >> i deleted all my old tweets just to be careful.

>> yeah, there you go. i do work. >> and do you know what the free speech union recommend that you do that? because people like you will go digging through them as a journalist? yeah, i keep looking. yeah, well, you're not going to find you. >> i'll get i'll get that hosting job eventually i will. >> there is two parts to this. i think there's one side that's the hypocritical side. and now she's all pro—immigration. and then she had that tweet from the past. but there's also the second side that you cannot like. there's no difference between writing something and saying something. and if everything is recorded now, then everyone's going to get done. and i think people need to be smart. >> all right. >> all right. >> we haven't got very long left. do you make your kids do chores around the house? even the royals do, and they're saying that actually it makes you more intelligent. you're clever, you're better at school. you're a more sociable person. you're a more sociable person. you go out there, you're doing things and well, you're just a perfect all rounder as a kid. if you are encouraged to actually muck in and help around the house, do your kids do that? well, as the only mother on the panel well, as the only mother on the panel, i think, claire, do you make your kids muck in?

>> i have one, and yes, i do. yeah, because the only way to actually get something done is you need to tell people how to do it. you need to tell people how to doit.the you need to tell people how to do it. the husband needs to be told how to do things, but i do think it's really important. everybody lives there. everybody makes a mess. therefore you have to tidy it up. it's not. >> it's not one person not knowing how to boil an egg. for goodness sake, you know, like it's infantilizing . it's infantilizing. >> kirk. >> kirk. >> my mom will be watching, so. hello, mum , she she was a hello, mum, she she was a fantastic parent of doing this. she made sure we did our chores, and she taught us good. not just things like how to cook, but good life values as well. we're running out of time. >> sorry, alex. eunice yeah. >> sorry, alex. eunice yeah. >> sorry, alex. eunice yeah. >> so i think i read a study that said children that do chores around the house end up becoming more successful adults. so the topic. >> yeah, yeah. >> yeah, yeah. >> oh, okay. so i'm going to speak about what richard dawkins actually got banned for earlier . actually got banned for earlier. so i have to be very careful with my words. and this is about the algerian boxer that won gold at the olympics. there are questions over the fact whether she's male or female, because

she's male or female, because she has failed a gender test two years ago, and i just find it extremely hypocritical from the olympic committee that they wouldn't do a gender test on this person. and you never know . this person. and you never know. and i, i was always against transgender athletes competing in female sports. okay because there's a difference in the size of the fists, the wrists, the amount of, you know, power you generate from your shoulders, muscle mass, bone density. it's not just about testosterone . all right? >> right. great. thank you very much for that, eunice. i think we agree, apart from benjamin, who says actually that , you who says actually that, you know, well, they're not transgender. >> they've never been transgender. they've always been a woman. and i think saying that women that don't look feminine enough for you should therefore not have their career. it's a pretty misogynistic take. >> i've got to go to a break now. i'm not cutting you off, but still ahead, you literally are cutting me off. we answer all of it. oh, here we go. it's going to be hell. during the break, we ask all of you, answer your questions. rather in the five. no

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welcome back to the saturday five as always. thank you very much for all of your emails and messages about tonight's topics. speaking of, it's tonight's topics. speaking of, wsfime tonight's topics. speaking of, it's time for this. tonight's topics. speaking of, it's time for this . all right, it's time for this. all right, let's see what damnation and hellfire you've unleashed upon us this week . don has written in us this week. don has written in hello, donna. she says, hi darren. and the fabulous five. what do you think of the peaceful antifa, right? protester who tried to attack gb news reporting there? oh, so peaceful, i think not. let's take a look at what actually happened. take a look at what actually happened . khalife. that's me . happened. khalife. that's me. >> that's that's me. i will. >> that's that's me. i will. >> i claire, you haven't commented on this. i mean , are commented on this. i mean, are you worried about journalists because this, as i mentioned earlier, this happened to sky news. now it's happened to gb

news. is this intimidation becoming more common of the media? >> it is. and it is a concern. we need to protect journalists from this, just as anybody needs to be protected. my husband is a journalist and i always worry that something like that would happen to him. so it doesn't matter what outlet you work for, it isn't acceptable. you're there to report on a story. you're not there to give your opinion at the time you're reporting. so you should be allowed to be able to do that. and anybody that intimidates them needs to be hauled off like them needs to be hauled off like the police did, but they needed to have done that a lot quicker, >> eunice, do you think this is becoming more common and why? >> if so, yeah, it's becoming more common. and again, it's becoming hypocritical because you have, you know, even the pro—palestinian marches, there were some violence. there was burning of flags. and, you know, you don't really see that reported on the news. so they always try to pretend it's the far right extremists. and i'm not saying, you know, there is not saying, you know, there is not a far right in this country, but it's massively overstated. and the dangers of the islamists and, you know, all kinds of other groups is understated. and

what i want is just fair journalism where we get the facts, you know, and that's why i think people like elon musk are very important, because the mainstream media doesn't give us the facts. so we have to go to x. >> he's not going to be reading your column any time soon. is he? next up is this one from sophie. sophie says hi all, seeing as it's the olympic closing ceremony tomorrow, which discipline do you reckon you'd get gold in? oh, well, if being a motormouth was an olympic sport, you'd win gold . sport, you'd win gold. >> haha. >> haha. >> oh, this is a great question. >> oh, this is a great question. >> it is? yeah. >> it is? yeah. >> it is? yeah. >> i think if there was . rock >> i think if there was. rock climbing is one, isn't it? what i think i'd do gold in that. >> team gb did a lot of hiking recently, so maybe maybe i'll be good at that. >> who knows ? right? >> who knows? right? >> who knows? right? >> okay, claire, i think something like, you know, competitive sarcasm and eye rolling. >> i think i'd be the queen of that. and i'll have that gold medal. now >> thanks, right. >> thanks, right. >> okay, now we've got this in from lee. lee says, i'm sure you've all seen the strictly line up announced. i'm keen to

know whether benjamin is more of a ballroom or a latin man when it comes to the dance floor. oh, i think i'd definitely be latin, >> it's a lot more exciting , but >> it's a lot more exciting, but i've. i actually love dancing. i don't need a drink or anything. i can dance the night away. people generally sort of back off as i do it , people generally sort of back off as i do it, but. but i do love it, >> yes. well, i mean, i don't i don't even know the difference to be perfectly honest. >> well, latins mostly flamboyant. >> yeah, yeah, i got strictly classic dancing, isn't it? >> yes. yeah. i won't go on strictly come dancing because i don't fancy being punched. but, besides that, i'd love to do it. >> well , beverley asks whether >> well, beverley asks whether or not in the spirit of reconciliation, that benjamin , reconciliation, that benjamin, you might consider unblocking alex armstrong. >> she has actually said that. i swear i'm not making that up. >> it was infamous. now >> it was infamous. now >> yeah. will you commit to it, benjamin? live on air? no he's a pledge of a politician. >> at least he answers the question. at least he answers the question. >> why me and my followers are

better off for it. >> well, i mean, yeah, well , >> well, i mean, yeah, well, that's right, but they're actually asking online whether or not actually the labour party is not calling it out on, on one side or the other has actually exacerbated the attacks on, on journalists as well. >> we saw today the big protest outside reform, you know, these people hashtagging farage riot's political party. >> are you against that? benjamin against what? people being able to protest and outside of a political party's office, it happened. i think the problem is that some of these protests can become intimidation. >> for example, you've had them outside abortion clinics where, you know, that is more about intimidating the people that work there than making an argument. and most people that work in the headquarters of a political office, political party office are are quite young, have quite straightforward jobs. you know, given there's a labour government, the decision makers are overwhelmingly in parliament, not in it, not in southwark, where labour's hq is.

southwark, where labour's hq is. so i'd say don't go there, okay. >> we're not going to be doing the tango, but i am going to make alex armstrong and benjamin butterworth have a big old cuddle. >> so thank you very much to our guest tonight. next up it's the brilliant leo kearse with the saturday night showdown. cheers for watching and we'll see you again next week . again next week. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers . sponsors of boxt boilers. sponsors of weather on gb news >> hello. welcome to your gb news a weather update from the met office as we go through sunday. it's going to be a warm with plenty of sunshine turning hotter even on monday with the risk of some thunderstorms. looking at the bigger picture , looking at the bigger picture, we had this waving front through today, bringing quite a lot of cloud, but high pressure will become more established as we go through sunday. but back to tonight. we've still got a legacy of some cloud across parts of the south west and definitely across parts of the engush definitely across parts of the english channel two, but elsewhere, clear spells

developing any showers across scotland generally fading and under the clear skies. it will turn quite fresh in rural spots, but in the south are quite muggy and uncomfortable night to come, with temperatures here holding up at 16 to 18 degrees, so through the start of sunday morning, then plenty of sunshine first thing across parts of scotland. still, with the risk of the odd shower further towards the north, across northern ireland, northern parts of england, plenty of sunshine, perhaps turning a bit hazy with some high level cloud and then further towards the south. it's still quite a bit of cloud around . should stay largely dry around. should stay largely dry and as we go through the day, that cloud should start breaking up, lifting and moving back towards the coast. but there may just be some fog still lingering here. elsewhere, though, plenty of sunshine on offer and it's going to be feeling warm and humid as well, especially in the south. we could see temperatures rising here 27, possibly 29 degrees, but elsewhere, even

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>> hello there. coming up in the saturday night showdown there's keir starmer stamps down on social media companies over what he deems to be fake news. a look at some of the porkies labour have told to see whether they should be sent to the gulags

first. under this free speech clampdown. maybe it would give david lammy some time to grow a cervix. we'll also be looking at naughty tweets from one of labour's mps that have resurfaced. she's not a fan of estonians, apparently, which is a pretty niche racism, to be honest, and we'll have the amnesty international woman who is the best excuse of the week. she was filmed clapping along while a labour politician apparently called for the throats of political dissidents to be slashed, but says she was clapping because she didn't hear what he said. you're standing right next to him. he had a megaphone. maybe she'd get your ears checked . and as two islamic ears checked. and as two islamic extremists are barred from taylor swift's concerts just because they wanted to practice their authentic tradition of conducting a mass terror attack, i'll be asking, is taylor swift islamophobic and should keir starmer extradite her? all that and much more. this is your saturday night showdown .