lammy some time to grow david lammy some time to grow a cervix. we'll also be looking at naughty tweets from one of labour's mps that have resurfaced. she's not a fan of estonians, apparently, which is a pretty niche racism, to be honest, and we'll have the amnesty international woman who is the best excuse of the week. she was filmed clapping along while a labour politician apparently called for the throats of political dissidents to be slashed, but says she was clapping because she didn't hear what he said. you're standing right next to him. he had a megaphone. maybe she'd get your ears checked . and as two islamic ears checked. and as two islamic extremists are barred from taylor swift's concerts just because they wanted to practice their authentic tradition of conducting a mass terror attack, i'll be asking, is taylor swift islamophobic and should keir starmer extradite her.7 all islamophobic and should keir starmer extradite her? all that and much more. this is your saturday night showdown .

saturday night showdown. discussing all tonight's topics with me are my brilliant panel. joining me tonight are the comedian ben adams and the lawyer, tv presenter and international playboy andrew eborn. look at them over there like crockett and tubbs. i'm not sure which one's which, but first, let's get your latest news headlines from our huggy bean news headlines from our huggy bear. sam francis . bear. sam francis. >> leo, thank you very much . and >> leo, thank you very much. and good evening to you. it's just after 8:00. the top story tonight. the parents of bebe king, one of the three young girls killed in the southport stabbings, have described her today as full of joy , of light today as full of joy, of light and love. they've also revealed her older sister saw the attack at last monday's dance class , at last monday's dance class, but she managed to escape. well, it comes as anti—racism demonstrators have been taking to the streets of london today, countering almost two weeks of

anti—immigration protests and riots across england. that's after misinformation about the southport suspect sparked a wave of often violent riots in the caphal of often violent riots in the capital. thousands of campaigners have been seen carrying signs supporting refugees and opposing racism and islamophobia . authorities say islamophobia. authorities say they do hope the violence is subsiding , but thousands of subsiding, but thousands of specialist officers are still on the streets this weekend . well, the streets this weekend. well, more than 740 people have now been arrested over those riots, including tonight, a 16 year old boy who's admitted to stealing £19,000 worth of vapes during unrest in liverpool. a court heard how he was seen on cctv with a group who pulled a police officer off of his bike before attacking him. the teenager later used an electric scooter to ram a shop window and help himself to those e—cigarettes. he'll be sentenced next month. meanwhile, in belfast, police are treating an attack on a mosque tonight as racially motivated. a petrol bomb was

thrown at the building in newtownards earlier but didn't go off. graffiti was also painted on the front door and the walls of that building. misinformation as i said about the southport stabbings, sparked a wave of those violent anti—immigration protests across belfast, where our reporter dougie beattie has been for us today. >> for the second week in a row, belfast city centre is now closed down because of protests. this one, though, is pro—immigration, fronted up by the trade unions of northern ireland. gay pride and amnesty international. but more importantly, the political classes have joined in and many in those working class areas that are facing the majority . that are facing the majority. the biggest amount of undocumented immigration now feel that their political voice has gone. this parade will due to end in the next hour , but it to end in the next hour, but it remains to be seen what will happenin remains to be seen what will happen in the coming days.

>> dougie beattie there, our reporter in northern ireland for us? well, in other news, a 32 year old man has been charged over a shooting in east london in may which, you may remember, left a nine year old girl seriously injured. she's still in hospital in a stable condition after that attack at a restaurant in the east of the caphal restaurant in the east of the capital, jayvon riley, from farnborough in hampshire, has appeared in court this morning accused of four counts of attempted murder. he's been remanded in custody and will appear at the old bailey next month . up to 500 people have month. up to 500 people have been attending the funeral service of jay slater today in lancashire. family and friends were packing the chapel, the chapel, rather at arrium, with others watching outside. most were wearing blue in memory of the 19 year old who fell to his death in a mountainous region of tenerife in june . concert goers tenerife in june. concert goers in cornwall have been left with broken bones after what's been described as a terrifying crowd surge at boardmasters music festival, which also reportedly saw some speakers fall into the

crowd. a number of people , crowd. a number of people, including children, were caught including children, were caught in that crush, with some taken to hospital. we now know at least seven have been discharged from hospital so far. devon and cornwall police have confirmed there were no serious injuries. it's also understood that festival is continuing . a sixth festival is continuing. a sixth banksy artwork has appeared in london, in the latest of a series of animal themed images around the capital. the new painting, a silhouette of a cat stretching, is in cricklewood. if you're interested in going to see it, but you'll have to be quick because it won't be there for much longer. contractors have been hired to remove it in case they say someone rips it down or leaves it unsafe. a fresh image has sprung up overnight to every day this week, including outlines of a wolf, a goat, elephants, monkeys and pelicans and sport for you. jofla and pelicans and sport for you. jorja bell has added another medal for team gb tonight at the olympics, with a bronze in the 1500 metres. that means she has broken the british record on the

way to finishing third as her team—mate laura muir came fifth. great britain's men's and women's relay line ups go for more medals tonight in the four by 400m, and earlier diver noah williams won bronze in the ten. the men's ten metre platform, his second medal after securing silver with tom daley in the synchro, and he only squeezed through qualifying in 12th but saved of course, his best dives for that final. those are the latest gb news headlines for now i'm sam francis, your next update just after 9:00 for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code, or go to gbnews.com forward slash alerts . slash alerts. >> thank you sam and welcome to the saturday night showdown. now, keir starmer announced plans to restrict the internet this week after a deluge of

criticism of the government's handung criticism of the government's handling of the riots. he's going to revisit the online safety act to ensure that social media platforms , police posts media platforms, police posts that are legal but harmful, and fake news. fake news is going to be illegal. i hope labour first in the queue for the gulags. keir said that 1 in 1000 women have a penis and david lammy says men can grow a cervix. just. >> is it transphobic to say only women have a cervix? david i don't know if it's transphobic, but it's not. >> accurate. nick i mean obviously you it's probably the case that only that trans women don't have ovaries, but a cervix. i understand, is something that you can have following various procedures . following various procedures. >> someone can have a penis. >> someone can have a penis. >> they come not i don't think we can conduct this debate with you. no, sorry, i get offended. you know . no, no, it's just no, you know. no, no, it's just no, no, no, i just i don't know if

david lammy thinks he's got a cervix , but if he's in the cervix, but if he's in the bathroom with a little mirror looking up there, i don't know what he's finding. >> also, nick lowles , the head >> also, nick lowles, the head of extremist group hope not hate spread a dangerous rumour that muslim women were being targeted by far right thugs with acid attacks. he said reports are coming in of acid being thrown out of a car window at a muslim woman in middlesbrough. now the police denied that this had happened, but nick left this dangerous misinformation up on twitter . fill in the knowledge twitter. fill in the knowledge that muslim mobs were roaming parts of britain looking for white men to attack. and lo and behold, here's a muslim man, clearly incited by this false rumour. >> because our fathers have come from a different country to here. we were born . here we are here. we were born. here we are british pakistanis. we are muslims. we will stand here. we will fight against edl. we will fight for our ground, our in the seine muslim sisters against acid attack must again breaking. but everyone should be here.

>> the edl lovely stuff. and how is harm defined for harmful but legal posts inciting violence is obviously already illegal. keirs plans would target things like posts encouraging eating disorders or causing offence. this could include horse riding tutorials as horse riding can be physically dangerous or it could include martini recipes as alcohol is harmful and is linked to depression. we already have a highly policed internet. in 2017, the times found that 3395 arrests had been made for section one, two seven offences, which is used for cases of onune which is used for cases of online abuse. the reason so much misinformation was flying around before the riots was because the government didn't tell us what was happening. we still don't know any possible motive and instead of acknowledging people's concerns or reassuring people's concerns or reassuring people that he was going to do everything possible to keep their children safe, keir instead turned round and smeared everyone at the protests as far

right, which is definitely misinformation. now, i'm joined tonight by andrew eborn and ben adams . andrew, you're a lawyer. adams. andrew, you're a lawyer. so i add, i'm going to start with you because a key, a key principle of the law should be that it shouldn't be easy to accidentally break the law. you can't accidentally burgle a house, for example. but keir and the government were warning that, you know, watch out what you post because you might accidentally break the law. >> yes, lawful but unwise. maybe that was something else on that sort of basis, you have to work on the basis that everything has to be transparent. it's would be very easy to understand. and the optics, as they say in politics and this is a horrendous it's got to be freedom of speech but not freedom from consequences. if you clamp down on everything, it's going to be absolute nonsense. as you know, i present this series fake or fact. they could get rid of it. you know, get rid of fake news altogether and work on that sort of basis. but you also have to determine what makes sense, what is fake news, because sometimes it gets revealed much, much later on. and if you put an obligation on these various media platforms, these various media platforms, the social media platforms to enforce it, it's going to be quite a heavy obligation and

actually it's going to be completely unworkable. yeah. >> and also, there was, issues such as, i mean, the hunter biden laptop story was was smeared as fake news, like the democrats and the social media platforms colluded to bury it and classify it as fake, classify it as fake news even though it was real and it could have really, you know, swung the election. >> i think nowadays you just don't know what's real at all. you can't you literally can't trust anything . and then the trust anything. and then the idea that people are sort of walking past a newspaper or even reading a newspaper, at this point, no one reads the newspapers, but the idea that they're doing that and then suddenly going, right, oh my god, i've got to get to greggs. it's just it's nonsense. yeah, it's. >> or looking at twitter, looking at what people were saying. oh, andrew tate is stirring up this, you know, this, this evil, evil mob. it's like nobody's looking at andrew tate and being like, well, there's a dependable source for information, you know? i mean, i just, i don't know why you would look at twitter and then suddenly go, yeah, this is a 100% right. >> and or anything really, yeah. twitter. >> well, the biggest, the biggest problem is this. it was channel three. now, you might remember that started this wrong rumour about the murder of these

three little girls at a taylor swift party. and channel three. now it's still up there. people said it was a russian state. it's not. they're based in america. they've only got 3418 followers. they're not that big, but they wrongly claim they put out a post saying it was islamic particular person. they even had a photo of somebody. and that misinformation is what caused a lot of the upset. so you're absolutely right. we need to look at that mischief. and the thing about the law, in order to get clarity, you need to about knowingly do something. if you're knowingly putting out information which is likely to cause a riot or or mens rea, look at you with your men's or women's rare or trans rare you you could have all of that, but it's exactly that. you have your actus reus, which is your actual deed and the mens rea, which is your guilty mind. and you have to have both to make it work. yeah. >> and i think we often have guilty minds, but looking at, you know, because you're a comedian, ben, remind him . comedian, ben, remind him. >> yes. >> yes. >> funny you should say that. >> funny you should say that. >> looking at fake news, i mean, so much satire could be classed as fake news. you know, sometimes we say something, and

obviously we're british, so we've got this ironic deadpan, you know? yeah, the face, the surface level isn't isn't what we're actually seeing. >> i'm so scared to be ironic in any way now because people are just like , oh my god, he thinks just like, oh my god, he thinks that that's that's that's just madness. yeah, it's , it's just madness. yeah, it's, it's just very hard to sort of say anything, but i mean , what anything, but i mean, what you're saying there about the misinformation with those three little girls and stuff, it's like, i don't really think it was the misinformation that made people riot. i think people were already expecting something to happen. and, you know, the guy was welsh born and bred and, you know, he had a i think he wore a welsh flag every day. and that's fine. >> but probably one of the most welsh people i've ever, you know, definitely, definitely. >> and, because wilf henderson will geddes go, go, go. he was saying that all the time . he was saying that all the time. he was always that. i think that was pretty good. welsh >> oh, that was welsh, was it? they're brilliant. i love it. >> i'm going to get you a glass of water. hey >> but no, i think that there was already a precedent set of people just angry anyway. and you know, it was just sort of the straw that broke the camel's

back. >> but but it is, however abhorrent the people hijacked the murder of three little girls to go and nick a new telly. >> there's no relevance at all on that sort of basis. >> is it as abhorrent as killing three little girls, though? probably not. >> well, that's the thing, because there didn't seem to be a lot of capacity for recognition on parts of the left that people were genuinely horrified by this. and on some level, it was worse. even than, you know, when terrorist bombs go off because this was a very, you know, he did it with a knife. yeah. >> oh, no, it was horrendous. but the families, in answer to your question, the families themselves, they pleaded, please don't hijack our grief. yeah. we don't hijack our grief. yeah. we don't want you rioting. it's just making it even worse for us. us. >> us. >> but then people understood. >> but then people understood. >> people understood . when, you >> people understood. when, you know, blm happened and the blm riots were over, a criminal in america who died resisting arrest. and he was a violent criminal. and to be honest, i didn't see that as as, you know, as appalling as these these killings. oh, it was awful. >> and yeah, it's just i think

like like you say. yeah, the families pleaded, but everyone had so much pent up anger that they just had to get out somewhere. obviously it wasn't a good way to do it, but i'm not surprised by what happened sort of thing . i can see why they of thing. i can see why they were angry, but yeah, it didn't go bad. >> but it's also the language that's used in the media. >> people call it a protest. it's not a protest, it's a riot. and you're talking about far right. well right. so far you've got to work onto something there somewhere, you've got to work on the basis what it is. sometimes there are just thugs out there looting other people. they've got a legitimate concerns about what's happening and so on and so forth. and it's a tinderbox waiting to happen. yeah, but and this is the problem you've got to separate all of them. the reality is there's some horrible things going on at the moment. we need to be able to clamp down on these sort of things as appropriate. but we need to act responsibly. and also we have to act very, very quickly. you compare what's happening to tier akua. you work on that basis. look at what happened at manchester airport, for example, and they're still investigating it. you get the drip feed of the video where somebody was apparently stamping on somebody's head. yeah. then later on you've got a bit more

of a different video. it's the scuffle beforehand and i can tell you a bit more women got punched and broke her nose. it was horrendous. absolutely horrendous. and the new ones coming out as well with this, with this pepper spray, which is illegal for people to use. and that's going to be more and more charges are coming out. the reality is they've been very slow to charge people, which is why we can talk about it in the media as opposed to all these people are appearing in court as a result of the riots. >> this is just quickly about, so this is why x is so popular with this misinformation stuff, because the media are so slow to get things out, and they want to check every source and they want to make sure, you know, so people are turning to x. and that's why they will go to any information. yeah. >> well moving on, i've just got to, because we're talking about working class communities being angry and the reasons for the rioting. and i think if the government had worked harder to integrate people and stamped out issues such as grooming gangs instead of ignoring them, then these communities would be much happier with the state of mass immigration. we can all agree that the rioting, violence and incitement seen over the past

weeks has been reprehensible, but has justice been a bit hasty? some of the sentences handed down seem a little on the harsh side. a 26 year old man got three years for posts he made online. now, obviously incitement to disorder or to violence is appalling, but let's look at the sentences handed out for other crimes. an islamic teacher was handed a suspended sentence, so no jail time for abusing an 11 year old girl because his wife doesn't speak english. now, keir may disagree with me, but i think that sexually abusing children is worse than posting nasty things on facebook and people are being let out of prison to make space for new arrivals , including this for new arrivals, including this man, lawson natty, who was jailed for two years and eight months after being convicted of manslaughter in connection with the machete killing of a 14 year old schoolboy in newcastle. now lawson is going to be freed from jail early, just five months after his sentencing. now our machete killers less dangerous to society than middle aged women sharing fake news. a judge

has even said that you can be refused bail and locked up for just observing a riot. i mean, never mind the right to protest in the uk, you no longer have the right to even look at a protest. and with 24 hour courts processing and sentencing and hours, suspects have no time to seek proper legal advice or even think about preparing a defence. i mean, andrew, do you think there will be appeals because you know , so, so many of these you know, so, so many of these sentences do seem on the on the heavy side and also they, they didn't go through the same sort of process that they normally do. >> well, one of the problems that we have in the media is that we have in the media is that we're always looking for the headlines. so it's clickbait. and so what happens is you're right. you just look at the sentence, the reason they started to televise the sentencing process is to aid understanding about what that happens. and there's something called the sentencing council, which has a tariff of different sentences . and it's supposed to sentences. and it's supposed to be a scientific thing. you're supposed to say if you take into the consideration all these factors, and is there anything that aggravates it or anything that aggravates it or anything that might mitigate it and basically you then have that

little line of what it is to make it as transparent as possible. but you're right. if you just look at the headlines and compare that with that, it looks abhorrent. yeah. if you turn up and try and explain what's happened in those particular circumstances, that's the best thing to do. and i always say that sunlight is the best disinfectant. you need to work on that sort of basis. >> must think i. i'm a brilliant i don't work in the kitchen here. thank you. hi. thank you, >> but the whole thing about the law, and this is why it's become more and more transparent. and the judges, as i say, as opposed to in america, where they wall to in america, where they wall to wall television about coverage, what we have here, people have to get an artist doing a sketch of somebody, you see, that's really good. i've seen i've met some of those artists, but you need they're starting to televise the sentencing, tv or not tv. and the reason for that is to try and explain to the public, look, actually, there is a scientific method, if you like, as to how we do those sort of things. but trust comes in on foot and leaves on horseback. and what you need to work is that sort of principle. let's restore trust in the justice system and you need to make it work. >> just quickly, ben, i mean, do

you think it's just these, you know, sentences that are certainly seen as quite heavy handed? do you think it's storing up more resentment for the future and just going to cause more problems and more riots? >> absolutely. it's like you're saying that, but why now? why don't they do that for other cases that seem a bit more important? this just seems like i mean, i was literally thinking today that just it all just seems rather silly. it's all so serious, but it's so silly. >> yeah . well, coming up, we >> yeah. well, coming up, we will assess the week's winners and losers and cursed versus blessed. we've got imani khalife winning gold in the women's boxing. even though he's got x y chromosomes and one labour mp has had to apologise for some old tweets.

judith raanan . welcome back to judith raanan. welcome back to the saturday night showdown. it's now no time to go through the winners and losers of the week. you might have seen this week. you might have seen this week that a labour politician giving a speech to a crowd of anti—hate protesters apparently urged them to cut the throats of right wing people in the crowd cheered. i guess that's the kindness and tolerance they tell us about. he's been arrested and

charged with encouraging violent disorder, but a representative of human rights group amnesty international was standing next to him and was seen on film clapping. remember when amnesty international were a human rights organisation? instead of cheering for the extrajudicial killing of political dissidents? well she's come up with a fantastic excuse. she couldn't hearit fantastic excuse. she couldn't hear it , fantastic excuse. she couldn't hear it, apparently couldn't hear it, apparently couldn't hear it. you might want to get your ears checked. love your standing right next to the guy and he had a megaphone. incredibly, the guardian painted her as a hero in this article with the headline anti—racism activist in london reports breaking attempt after far right threats. oh, she's a victim. the article said. ulrik schmidt, an activist with stand up to racism and amnesty international, said she woke up at 5 am. on friday to the sounds of someone trying to the sounds of someone trying to break into her home in the north—east london borough. passers by on their way to a nearby mosque for morning prayers challenged the would be intruder, who smashed the window of a car parked outside the property and fled. she said we

know there are elements among the far right who are hardcore nazis and they are happy to kill, but will wreak . they kill, but will wreak. they haven't killed anyone and you're the one cheering on the killing. i mean, does it show that people will go along with anything if they think the group that they're in will allow it? >> yes , basically. >> yes, basically. >> yes, basically. >> there you go. that's very good. >> at the bottom of that, i always walk around with headphones in and just clap at people just in case they're saying something that, you know, i might agree with and it's just ridiculous. >> again, silly . it's ridiculous. >> again, silly. it's all just so ridiculous. and i think the best way to destroy fascism is to shout people down and threaten, threaten violence as well, until they agree that fascism is bad. >> yeah, the best way to reach seems to think that the best way to combat fascism is with the stronger. greater? >> yes, well, the hardcore nazis i suppose. >> those soft types. you know, you're working on that basis. no, but you're absolutely right. everything you say, everything you do, every person you stand to, next will pictures of that

will end up in the wrong hands. so you've got to work on that sort of basis. people. people always say history repeats itself because people don't learn the lessons from history. we should go back to social distancing. >> well, yeah, someone is saying something that we don't. but the great thing is now with al. >> so fake news was the word. two words of the year in 2017, i was the word in 2023, you combine both of them and fake news and i. it's absolutely explosive combination . and explosive combination. and that's going to happen even if you haven't got the pictures, we can fake it. if you haven't got the videos, we can fake it. so work on that premise. you've got to question everything. >> and do you think amnesty international have completely shot their credibility now? because i don't think, as far as i can tell, they haven't fired her. they haven't distanced and distanced themselves from her. they seem to have accepted the excuse that she didn't hear what the guy was saying. and i was a member of amnesty international because, you know, contrary to what a lot of people on twitter say, you know, i believe in human rights and all the rest of it. and they used to be a great organisation who stood up for those for those freedoms and stood up for persecuted

dissidents and, you know, all around the world. but then they turned on alexei navalny , and, turned on alexei navalny, and, and jettisoned him, threw him under the bus, which was a huge propaganda coup for putin. and you think this is the final nail in our. >> well, i think what happened is a really good point. >> and the question i advise every organisation you've got to have a very transparent way. how do you deal with these situations? as soon as it arrives, you can turn around and say, this is the procedure that we followed. was there investigation? either way, they're going to be suspended, we're going to get all the facts and so on and so forth. but the fact they haven't done anything as far as we can see to deal with it raises that whole sort of issue. and it does go to credibility. same with, you know, the bbc you have about that sort of thing. there's always going to be questions about how quickly did they act in certain situations, who's in there on whatsapp, questions like that. >> what's that? tom. but exactly you work a rough justice. >> you work on that sort of bafis >> you work on that sort of basis and what's going to happen each time. that's why i say history repeats itself, because you don't learn the lessons from history. what you have to do to get trust restored is to say,

here's our procedure. in these situations, we follow that procedure and we're going to continue following that to make it fair on everybody. >> absolutely. now moving on, imani khalife, the controversial boxer who reportedly has male x y chromosomes, won olympic gold in the women's boxing. the algerian has was reported to have failed gender eligibility tests and been disqualified from the world championships. he said attacks over his gender eligibility gave his victory a special taste and complained about bullying and bigotry. i mean, were you pleased to see domestic violence becoming an olympic sport? ben? >> yes , yes, absolutely. i like >> yes, yes, absolutely. i like to watch domestic violence any moment i can, but also, i like the idea as a just a huge sexist. i like the idea that we can just replace all women with men in every walk of life, just replace women and call them women and everyone will be fine with that. >> apparently there is a theory that the high proportion of transgender people in software development is because software

development is because software development companies realised it was easier to get men and convince them to be women than it was to teach women how to code. >> and that's that's that's the only thing i think we have to make the difference, though, to be fair on this. >> and what happens is the different rules that they had. so the particular person here, the person i see in your report, you called it, he always lived their life as a woman. this is what they said, always lived. so from birth, all the way to raised up to the passports and everything else. that's what they did. the reason they failed, there was a medical for test different boxing board which says, you've got you've got that sort of exactly. you've got that sort of exactly. you've got those combinations. therefore you're not eligible anymore. the ioc, however, said that the test is your passport, as i understand, and in her passport it said that she was a woman. and as a result, she's technically a woman. >> even though you know, horrifically and, you know, transphobic referred to or whatever. yeah, whatever. it clearly referred to her as a man because she's got xy chromosomes like a man. >> i think there's a difference between she didn't she didn't

transition at all. there's no been no transition as i understand it. have you seen it ? understand it. have you seen it? i haven't i don't want to. but the reality is this the reality is this. the reason there's a difference in sport is because men are physically more powerful, which is where you started. so we need to look at the categories on that sort of basis. what's that? >> look at these three lads. >> look at these three lads. >> for a start. what exactly a lovely ladies . lovely ladies. >> that's amazing. i mean, do whatever you want to do in normal life, that's absolutely fine. but when it comes to i mean boxing. yeah. you can't have a man beating up a woman. it's a raisi issue. it's exactly right. >> fair enough. in the pole vauu >> fair enough. in the pole vault or something like that. >> yeah. why not? yeah >> yeah. why not? yeah >> in a contact sport, i say no sports, no sports whatsoever. >> just, you know , do what you >> just, you know, do what you like in normal life. >> but i suppose in defence, the olympics is about outliers. and this is somebody who's born, you know, apparently female. but just these, you know, they call it dsd differences in sexual development, the xy chromosomes. so effectively a male. but yeah like you say . like you say. >> so she's now an outlier. >> so she's now an outlier. >> i'm seeing i'm seeing, so

she's she's born she was assigned female at birth. yes. but has xy chromosomes. >> i think this is why i mean, it's such a sensitive topic. i know we can have a look at things, but i'm very, very clear on this is that it has to be if it's something to do with physical strength. and that's the reason for the difference. but men should not be in women's sport . agreed. the difference sport. agreed. the difference the difficulty here is it's not the difficulty here is it's not the athletes fault on this one, because it's the ioc who set the eligibility rules. >> and they you can maybe have a look at your chromosomes and be like, well, maybe i'm not going to punch women in the face. >> no, but but but you work on that. i get that as well. but the ioc said these are the people who are eligible to take part in this competition. so is it the athletes fault? do you have to play devil's advocate? occasionally, as i say, you work on that sort of basis. but there is a difference between the trans side. because this person was not trans. they said they've always had they haven't had an op or anything else. i don't know whether that's true. i don't want to look at the history, but that's the reality and that's the question. so what the focus needs to be on what the focus needs to be on what the rules are for the eligibility. >> yeah. okay. well with the

labour party currently doing a venezuelan speed run to institute an authoritarian police state and a bloated, omnipresent public sector, it's hard to remember. there was a time when labour mps might have shot from the hip. instead of repeating the dull socialist mantras of their borg leader, but it turned out at least one of them was probably fun at parties in 2009, newly newly elected labour mp lauren edwards sent a bunch of tweets. back in the day saying such naughty things as baroness wrenthorpe texted me from walthamstow to say he's seen a halal pakistani chinese grill place. hope he's not suggesting we go there . and not suggesting we go there. and most controversially, she tweeted i want these effing estonian r words out of my flat now . now this estonian r words out of my flat now. now this is clear. a staunch phobia , she has since staunch phobia, she has since apologised and pledged to use her platform for bringing communities together and working with tolerance and respect for all in our society. should we stop offence archaeology though? i mean, i feel more comfortable with people who shoot from the

hip and say what they think than i do with people who speak with tolerance and respect for me and other people. i mean, yeah, should we stop all this? >> oh , no. no, you've got to >> oh, no. no, you've got to look back through history because i said before , because i said before, everything you said, everything you picture you've had and if not, we'll fake it. we'll come back to haunt you. jd vance is a great example. you might remember in 2016, he called donald trump what america's hitler potentially and that sort of basis. he said he was a never trump. and what he then brilliantly said when quizzed about he said well, i saw what a brilliant president he was and i changed my mind . he's now changed my mind. he's now wonderful. road to damascus, jd vance, which sounds like a cheap sportswear store. donald trump could forgive him. he did. >> i think we need to be more forgiving of. we do. even if the labour mps be more forgiving, because this is something that would have been said in the corner of a pub back in the day. and now it's, you know, it's there for forever on the internet. >> i always, whenever i'm looking at twitter or x, as it's called now, i always think, well, this person is on the toilet, they're on the toilet, their pants are down. and i think the

moment sort of society went downhill completely was when the news started showing twitter. yeah, it's like this is not serious. there's someone who's just like, oh, i'm home drunk. they're cooking some beans are bloody estonians. and you think estonians as well? >> yeah . >> yeah. >> yeah. >> so specific. yeah, yeah. just don't take it seriously. we should never take that seriously. and if you do look back and you see something that someone said, that's quite bad, everybody has said something they regret on, on at a particular moment. >> yeah, exactly. >> yeah, exactly. >> exactly. next on the saturday night showdown, it's time for culture corner. we've got r , just stop oil and clinics all featuring. see you in a ina

welcome back to the saturday night showdown. now is taylor swift islamophobic? two islamic extremists were banned from her concerts in vienna just because they wanted to practice their authentic islamic extremist tradition. have conducting a

mass terror attack against children. and a third man, an iraqi 18 year old who pledged allegiance to isis, has also been nabbed. and three taylor swift concerts in vienna have been cancelled. and there are concerns about her upcoming wembley concerts. there are around 40,000 people on terror watch lists in the uk, you know, some people find it strange that the west has invited islamists into its countries and now has to hire security services to stop them blowing up kids. i think it's a good system, though, because i'm not islamophobic. but do you think here should keir starmer should extradite taylor swift and prosecute her absolute nonsense. >> no, of course not. i mean, and actually joking aside, it was the taylor swift party where the three girls were murdered. there is a pattern here. there's got to be more to it. i've talked about this beforehand, about the vienna. >> there's no, there's no i mean, that's pure speculation and that's and that's the thing. >> you're absolutely right. it's sort of taylor swift is in terms of a common denominator. this is

the problem. so she's and she's very generously donated to the families and so on and so forth . families and so on and so forth. and you're right and you're right to actually clarify. it's not about the islamic and that sort of side, but there's a question, isn't there, because she's now part of this narrative and she's trying to rectify that sort of situation, take the sting out of it. so two separate incidents, as you say, she was front and centre. it was a taylor swift dance party where they had these three girls murdered, which was appalling. the cancellation of the concert in vienna. there's got to be more to it than a terror threat, because anybody who puts on a major event at the moment, there are zillions of terror threats. the olympics at the moment would have been groomed, working on all sorts of bases. >> they shut down a lot of terror threats for the for the olympics. >> exactly. but the olympics still went ahead. so i think we're not getting the full picture about what happened in vienna, because the security at these events is absolutely massive and you need to look at that sort of basis. but you're right to call it out, and it's wrong to put the two together. it's not islamophobic on on that sort of basis. >> i'm disgusted by keir starmer. he's he comes out. he's his entire focus is on

protecting the muslim community. and fair enough, they deserve the same protection as everybody else. his entire focus is on is on rooting out islamophobia. and, you know, i think, i think any prejudice or racism towards muslim people, that's appalling. that's reprehensible criticism of islam is not, you know, should definitely be allowed. it's a it's a it's a religion. it's a it's a it's a religion. it's a it's a it's a religion. it's a system of, you know, social system and all the rest of it. and, yeah, i mean, i think i think the focus like keir starmer needs to swing his focus round to reassuring the majority of the public, because as we've seen with the taylor swift concerts being cancelled, it's an issue. i don't know why keir starmer is doing this. >> it seems to be like he's got a book. that's the worst possible thing to do when people are rioting about these killings is to just go the other way. and, and, and he must know this, but he keeps pushing this whole narrative. but i mean, as for taylor swift, i mean, every concerts probably got. yeah, like you said, so many terror threats, so many everything

does, you know, why is it news and strangely. yeah. taylor swift the name just keeps coming up again and again, like you said , it's completely unrelated. said, it's completely unrelated. >> it's completely unfair. but but also we know about it . no, but also we know about it. no, but also we know about it. no, but also, i think we have an obugafion but also, i think we have an obligation in the media to try and take the sting out of it, that the words that are used is basically inciting a hatred. and we've got to be so careful . just we've got to be so careful. just as that false report when that came out from channel three now, which i talked about earlier, that's basically sparked this sort of stuff, that misinformation, the language used as a result of it is stirring up hate. so we've got to turn down the rhetoric, question everything, because there's a lot of false reports going out there and prejudices are just coming to the forefront. >> yeah. no, i think most of us have been sick of just stop oil for a while, but now even one of their biggest fans, the green energy tycoon dale vince, is fed up with the group. dale gave lots of funding to the radical activist group when it was protesting to prevent new drilling in the uk, but believes since then it has gone too far. the new labour government has already pledged to meet just stop oil s demand to stop new

drilling. but now the posh , drilling. but now the posh, smelly eco freaks i'm talking about just stop oil all that description also fits the labour party. want to end all fossil fuel extraction by 2030. dale said that he was not a fan of just stop oil new, even more extreme aims, or of its blockading of airports. maybe he just wants to get away to tenerife this summer , i mean, tenerife this summer, i mean, what do you make of the just stop oil thing? do you think people were broadly on their side back in the day, but now they've lost everybody? >> i was never on their side. i never have been on their side. i think they're a bunch of, like you say, just posh, just idiots that spray everything orange. and you think, just go away. just go away every time a story comes out. i don't think one person's going, yeah, good on them. yeah, good on them. this is what we need. this is what we all we need. the mona lisa covered in orange paint. we need this. yeah. just stonehenge. disagree >> desecrate stonehenge. that'll win us over there . win us over there. >> sitting around going, i know. right. how can we save the world? stonehenge. yeah. spray

stonehenge. >> well, of course it's an absolute nonsense. and i don't believe. and i've shared many a studio with just stop oil people and things like, i don't believe there's a single person who's seen their action and has converted to their way of thinking as a result of it. so anybody who might support the thing about oil or the environment or whatever, none of their actions is going to get them to convert on that sort of basis. so dale is quite right to turn around and say, actually, the labour party said, look, we're not going to issue new licences and so on and so forth. their pledge just doesn't have anything by 2030. it's just rubbish. you need to work out the reality of these other things and the misinformation. that's being spread about this whole sort of thing. it needs to stop as well. >> yeah, we need to stop it now. i don't understand the controversy over child gender treatment. i had it when i was a little girl and it didn't do me any harm. but new figures have revealed that more than 5700 under eighteens have been left waiting for a specialist appointment to clinics set up to help children who want to change genden help children who want to change gender. and one of the children waiting for gender treatment is only five years old. gender treatment for kids typically

involves hormones, drugs and puberty blockers followed by surgery to remove breasts or genhaua surgery to remove breasts or genitalia and construct a simulacra of the opposite genden simulacra of the opposite gender. the tavistock and portman nhs foundation trust was previously the only clinic providing gender services for children , but it was mothballed children, but it was mothballed when an investigation into gender services, the cass review, found that gender treatment for children had nebulous benefits. as puberty usually resolves gender dysphoria, and also had some pretty serious risks with sterility and other health problems very common now. i mean, what do you make of this five years old? >> it's complete nonsense, isn't it? and what's happened? the bma as well, have sort of turned around and said they're going to disregard the cass report or they're going to encourage people. it's wrong. you know, kids, when they're growing up, they experiment with all sorts of things. they dress up. they're not aware of those sort of issues, and you need to go through that sort of stuff. at the same time, we've got to have a sensitive conversation about it, but also it's the parents and those who are supporting this sort of stuff to say, this is what we're going to do. it's wrong and we have to stop it.

yeah. >> when i was a kid, i wanted to be a teenage mutant ninja turtle, and i don't think my life would have been improved by having a turtle shell irremovable grafted to my back. oh, i'm not so sure i would like to have seen that would be fantastic. >> steve from wonka and the chocolate factory. yeah, it's a dress up as a cowboy. there you go. i wouldn't have involved any surgery, though. yeah, but, no, i think the parents exactly there. i've always thought there should be a test, maybe psychological test before someone has children . you've got someone has children. you've got to go through so many checks before you have a dog, before you adopt. why can't these people. oh, i'm pregnant. well, you've got to come and do this test first. otherwise. yeah >> because, i mean, if you look at somebody, like in hollywood, like some of the, some of the celebrities all their kids are transgender or non—binary or whatever, and it's clearly just a cult. anyway, next on the saturday night showdown , it's saturday night showdown, it's time for clown world. we've got j.d. vance's comments on childless cat ladies continue to cause controversy. the civil service has been warned against fetish gear and is looking at the legal age of marriage. don't go anywhere

now kamala harris has been criticised by trump for appealing to childless cat ladies. in response, childless cat ladies have been making music videos like this one. >> i am childless, i have cats, i am the biggest nightmare of this jd vance. >> i am a lady who loves her pets. they are good for taking care of all the rats . care of all the rats. >> childless cat lady i am running the whole country. childless cat lady. >> miaow miaow. >> miaow miaow. >> watch out jd childless cat lady. >> we are running the whole country . country. >> childless cat lady, you better watch your back jd no, thatis better watch your back jd no, that is slightly terrifying. >> it's quite catchy though. that could have been. it's very catchy. >> i have i have to ask. i have to ask you though, what was your

what were you searching for on the internet, when to come up with that video? it's got all sorts of questions , but it's it sorts of questions, but it's it is catchy and well done. them and it's kamala, by the way. kamala harris. everybody gets kamala. no it's kamala. and she spent an absolute fortune in 2016, including getting lots of high school kids out to tell everybody how to pronounce her name. it's obviously completely wasted money, but it's kamala, as in the punctuation as in stop joe biden 2020 foul. >> that's exactly . >> that's exactly. >> that's exactly. >> yeah. she really changes her accent to appeal to whoever she's she's with. but jd vance has been slammed for his comments about childless cat ladies. he's got a point because, without unmarried, white women, the democrat party would not win. they actually the republicans lead in every other demographic group apart from , demographic group apart from, childless white women who every single one of them, pretty much every single one childless white women. >> i think we'd all i'm not going to say be a lot happier, but, a lot of things wouldn't be happening. but at least in ten years time, i mean, hopefully

maybe five years time, she'll also be catless this lady, so. oh that's awful, that's terrible. >> oh, look, look , the phones go. >> we love cats. cat listen, charles rae. no, she'll still have her antidepressants and her wine. >> anyway, a civil servant has got into trouble for wearing fetish gear to work. saucer amalthea tweedale a done well done thing. she chose her name as well as her gender. who co—chairs the lgbt+ civil service network, turned up to the department for work and pensions looking something like, like a version of pornhub directed by tim burton . yes, directed by tim burton. yes, miss tweedale 58. that's not her there. that's me is said to wear low cut black corsets, fishnet tights with high heels and a gothic choker with a pentagram. >> haha. >> haha. >> this is when she attends the office. other people in the office. other people in the office complained about it. boohoo. these killjoys. i mean, what's wrong with her? >> i imagine when i see tax go

out of my wages, i do imagine them like this with a big whip. and yeah, i do imagine and i think if they can't afford the fetish bit, we could have a whip round for them, couldn't we? >> we could whip. hey, i think i'm here all week. >> we could work on that, >> we could work on that, >> it is extraordinary , isn't >> it is extraordinary, isn't it? and people will hijack legitimate. let's be freedom of expression. but but there have to be some sort of some sort of rules and regulations in place. i would have thought it should be in it loses its appeal if it's in private, i don't. >> well, this this is the thing with the, you know, with the pride parades where, you know, people are wiggling their bottoms and letting it all hang out and get getting up to all kinds of lewd mischief. it's sort of , and kinds of lewd mischief. it's sort of, and people are bringing their families to watch. >> it's like , how can you let go >> it's like, how can you let go like that when there's when there's family? >> it must ruin it for the people. >> if you're getting dominated and you know, weed on and you've got a little five year old there watching. yeah, you've got it's got to lose something. yeah there's got to be something in you that's like, oh, this isn't as fun. it's got to lose something. >> but you're absolutely there's a time and a place in the

office. it's not the time place, but it's also you're sensitive to everybody in the conversation and in the work environment. it's not right. but they could fancy free friday fetish friday have one of those every now and again. >> passive aggressive note on the free exactly. people please not wear their fishnet exactly . not wear their fishnet exactly. >> and finally we'll just squeeze this on. it's been reported in the daily mail that a conservative coalition in iraq has pushed proposals to lower the legal age of marriage for girls to just nine years old, sparking a fierce backlash from activists and rights groups. but critics fear the shia code would be based on ja'fari jurisprudence, allowing girls as young as nine and boys as young as 15 to marry. under current iraqi law, both can marry from 18, like in a, you know, normal society. it sparked protests in baghdad. i mean, this is a religious leadership pushing this on the population. baghdad sounds like it's you know, it's quite a sensible the people there are quite sensible. this is religion, you know, spoiling things for people. >> i'm just thinking of judas. prudence. like it's a beatles song. yeah >> judas priest got all their

albums. >> it's absolutely. i mean, it's madness, isn't it? i mean, why why stop there? why stop there? >> why stop there? well, we're gonna have to stop here, unfortunately, because that's the end of the show. thanks so much to my brilliant panel tonight. we've had ben adams, the comedian, and andrew eborn, the comedian, and andrew eborn, the everything, the polymath. see you again next week. and don't forget headliners as well. tonight at 11 pm. until then, here's the weather with catherine chalk . it. catherine chalk. it. >> looks like things are heating up. boxt boilers sponsors of weather on . gb. news weather on. gb. news >> hello! welcome to your gb news weather update from the met office as we go through sunday, it's going to be a warm with plenty of sunshine turning hotter even on monday, with the risk of some thunderstorms. looking at the bigger picture, we have this waving front through today, bringing quite a lot of cloud , but high pressure lot of cloud, but high pressure will become more established as we go through sunday. but back to tonight. we've still got a legacy of some cloud across

parts of the south west and definitely across parts of the engush definitely across parts of the english channel too. but elsewhere, clear spells developing any showers across scotland, generally fading and under the clear skies. it will turn quite fresh in rural spots but in the south are quite muggy and uncomfortable night to come, with temperatures here holding up at 16 to 18 degrees. so through the start of sunday morning, then plenty of sunshine. first thing across parts of scotland. still, with the risk of the odd shower further towards the north, across northern ireland, northern parts of england, plenty of sunshine, perhaps turning a bit hazy with some high level cloud and then further towards the south. still quite a bit of cloud around . quite a bit of cloud around. should stay largely dry and as we go through the day, that cloud should start breaking up, lifting and moving back towards the coast. but there may just be some fog still lingering here. elsewhere though. plenty of sunshine on offer and it's going to be feeling warm and humid as well , especially in the south.

well, especially in the south. we could see temperatures rising here 27, possibly 29 degrees, but elsewhere even reaching up to 20 to 22 degrees as we go through monday. we've got low pressure dominating, bringing some heavy thundery rain north eastwards affecting northern ireland and parts of scotland. so expect some frequent lightning here elsewhere, largely dry, plenty of sunshine. it's going to be feeling hot and humid in the south. we could see temperatures rising up to 32, possibly 33 degrees, and then turning fresher tuesday and wednesday. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar, sponsors of weather on gb news

>> it's 9 pm. i'm ben leo tonight. >> being a keyboard warrior does not make you safe from the law. >> keir starmer storm troopers are enforcing the labour

government's chilling attack on free speech, and we do have dedicated police officers who are scouring social media. so forget burglaries and murders. our police are now patrolling the internet looking for dissenters . dissenters. >> hard to see what else this could be really, given the size of the explosion other than an israeli airstrike. >> so does that mean lies such as the bbc's fake news on gaza will spark knocks on the door from police? meanwhile, for actual rioters ? actual rioters? >> yeah, there's a lot to come in. >> also today, the peace and rainbows brigade failed to live up to their name . that's me, up to their name. that's me, that's that's me. >> i will. >> i will. >> dear, oh dear, oh, man. charlie peters getting accosted on the ground in london today. and look who's popped up to have a crack at the pm. >> hi folks. my message to the prime minister this week is, man up starmer, have some guts. face down your critics, think of your

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