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me. josh ben leo tonight with me. josh howie a tale of two cities, but both have men doing nazi salutes. why is there such unequal outrage? because of the protests. they were on. as the police brace themselves for another week of unrest, britain's top prosecutor warns rioters they could be facing ten years in prison is the consensus now that prisons work, the government seems to be on the bnnk government seems to be on the brink of adopting an official definition of islamophobia following this week's horrific rioting . but would such a ruling rioting. but would such a ruling be a necessary legal protection or a way of quashing any criticism of an ideology under the guise of racism ? as the the guise of racism? as the paris olympics draw to a close today, after successive controversies and stunning victories, has this round of the global sporting phenomenon been a bop or a flop? political unrest in bangladesh leads to targeted attacks on hindus, leaving two dead. but where is the outrage from the media? and i'll be asking political firebrand ann widdecombe about the pm's slump in the polls
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following uk riots. and just what is he going to do now? he's made a new nemesis, elon musk. strap yourselves in britain. let's do this . let's do this. and we'll have tomorrow's front pages hot off the press exactly 10:30 pm. and of course, i'll be joined by my stellar panel throughout the show . tonight we throughout the show. tonight we have gb news senior political commentator nigel nelson, journalist and communications advisor linda dooley, and former conservative mp and farmer neil parish, who will be with us shortly due to being held up in a cattle jam . but first, the a cattle jam. but first, the news with sam harris, francis francis . francis. >> very good evening to you. i am indeed sam francis. and the top stories from the newsroom
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tonight at just after 9:00. well, congratulations are pounng well, congratulations are pouring in for team gb as the paris olympics come to a close. the king has called the team an inspiration. while the princess and prince of wales led a star studded video message thanking the athletes. take a listen. >> greetings loved ones from all of us watching at home. congratulations to team gb. >> well done on all you've achieved. you've been an inspiration to us all. >> well, great britain have secured 65 medals in the games, their second best haul ever at an overseas olympics , but fell an overseas olympics, but fell to seventh in the medal table, their lowest since athens 2004. and while traditional sports like athletics and cycling delivered new disciplines like skateboarding and sport climbing also shone, you can see their scenes from paris at that closing ceremony just outside the stadium. there, as hundreds and thousands gather as team gb. look ahead though , to los look ahead though, to los angeles 2028, preparations are already underway at stanford .
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already underway at stanford. university in other news tonight, hundreds have gathered in southport for the funeral of nine year old alice dasilva aguiar, a victim of the mass stabbing at a dance class in southport two weeks ago. alyssa's parents, sergio and alexandra, were joined by family and friends and local officials, including merseyside police officers . as you can see there officers. as you can see there on your screens, a horse drawn carriage with her white coffin arrived to applause from the crowds as pink ribbons and balloons lined the streets. the service, attended by hundreds inside and more watching on from outside , celebrated alyssa's outside, celebrated alyssa's life with her parents. remembering her as their perfect dream child . meanwhile, the dream child. meanwhile, the justice minister says the fallout from the recent riots triggered by that southport stabbing is going to be felt. she says for years, shabana mahmood says it will hold back the labour government's efforts to fix the justice system, which was already facing a massive backlog of court cases and dwindling space in prisons. it comes as today a 15 year old boy has become the first child to be
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convicted for his part in violent disorder in sunderland . violent disorder in sunderland. and just a quick breaking line coming into us from west yorkshire police tonight. a man in his 20s, we understand has been shot in leeds in what detectives are describing as an extremely serious incident, with armed officers responding to the scene of that shooting this afternoon. the 27 year old is now in hospital undergoing emergency treatment, though it is believed he is in a stable condition. officers now investigating what happened. they're also asking any drivers to avoid the area around steinbeck avenue with forensic teams still at that scene of the shooting carrying out their investigations. any more on that from west yorkshire police? we will bring that to you tonight. in other news, the housing secretary has dropped conservative plans to prevent recently arrived migrants from applying for a council house in england. the previous government had planned to introduce a uk connection test, which would have restricted social housing
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to those who had been a resident in the uk for the last ten years. but angela rayner has scrapped that plan and vows to ramp up the provision of new social homes as part of a wider planning reform to boost housebuilding. and it comes as almost 1.3 million households are still on local authority waiting lists for social housing. turning to ukraine, and president zelenskyy has for the first time today acknowledged that his country is conducting a military offensive inside russia's western kursk region. the operation, which began five days ago, has taken russia by surprise and prompted massive accusations across both sides of the border , while ukraine says the border, while ukraine says it has destroyed more than 50 russian drones during an overnight strike. and earlier today, military analyst sean bell told us that there are three main reasons for the offensive. >> britain's got a very long border with russia. undoubtedly it'll put russia on the back foot . secondly is to demonstrate foot. secondly is to demonstrate that russia is not in control in this conflict at the moment that
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actually there is a there are two sides here and thirdly, just imagine the morale for ukrainian fighters that are actually starting to take the fight into russia now, many i spoke to a ukrainian the other day who said they wanted to see a ukrainian flag planted in moscow. >> and finally, if you've been craving some warmer weather, well, you're in luck. the uk could see its hottest day of the year on monday, with temperatures possibly reaching up to 35 c. with the most intense conditions expected in central england. cooler weather, though, is expected to arrive later in the week, bringing temperatures back to a more comfortable level . meanwhile, comfortable level. meanwhile, further north, the met office has issued a yellow weather warning for thunderstorms tomorrow in northern ireland. in scotland and northern england, there could be flash flooding and severe travel disruptions. those are the latest headlines from the gb newsroom. for now, i'm sam francis back with you just after 10:00 for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code,
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or go to gbnews.com forward slash alerts . slash alerts. >> thank you, sam francis , for >> thank you, sam francis, for the peripheral observer. the madness of the past week in the uk might be summed up by a singular image. a group of white men in leicester doing a hitler salute. but for me it's the image of a person of colour making it the exact same gesture in london that is far more illuminating. in fact, it's the different reactions both the listed across the political spectrum, that get us tantalisingly close to understanding how we've arrived at this grim moment. the first photo is a continuation of a theme embedded in public consciousness since the 1970s. he is the bad man, the bogeyman, the far right neo nazi . you'll the far right neo nazi. you'll get no dissent from me there. then the second comes along to complicate the narrative . both complicate the narrative. both images were taken on the same day, in the same country, one at
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a racist protest. the other well, at a racist protest . well, at a racist protest. sorry. i mean peace march for gaza with the uk's riots launching more hot takes than bncks launching more hot takes than bricks , i hesitate to lob my bricks, i hesitate to lob my own. but as someone who's multiple social media bubbles resembles swiss cheese, i've noficed resembles swiss cheese, i've noticed something that is key to all this. there is a near universal unwillingness to call out the extremes of our own tribes, especially when doing so complicates our own favourite narrative . to deny is to narrative. to deny is to tolerate is to justify, is to embolden. when rioters initially gathered in southport last week, some sections of the right went into overdrive to dismiss the presence and impact of the far right. these thugs were just white working class. many insisted. they were shocked and scared and angry by the terrible murder of three young girls, or merely frustrated by unfettered immigration. of course, there's nothing wrong being angry about mass migration, let alone the murder of children, and i'm sure
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that many who took to the streets did so out of sheer frustration. but come on, there were also a lot of proper actual hard core racists there. rocks were thrown at filipino nurses on the way to helping people. a hotel believed to be a housing asylum seekers were set alight. an asian man was assaulted, making his way down the road. you'd think the right would be more inured to such gaslighting, more inured to such gaslighting, more aware of the pitfalls of succumbing to self denial. the right has rightly criticised the left for wallowing in these tactics. things were especially bad during the corbyn era. if the then labour leader had just put up his hands at the first accusations of anti—semitism and said yeah, the left's not perfect, i'm not perfect, i'll work on it . perfect, i'm not perfect, i'll work on it. history might have played out differently. on the other side of the coin, keir starmer's disastrous public responses to the riots threatened to make a bad situation worse . shutting down situation worse. shutting down racist violence was, of course, the immediate priority. but in labour's narrative, everyone concerned about migration is
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just a few untrue social media posts away from being a far right rioter. there was no not at all. to the legitimate concerns of many across the country who would never dream of rioting. and when people don't feel listened to, that's a recipe for disaster. most damaging of all, starmer is attempting to dismiss concerns about two tier policing as the stuff of far right fantasies. he's taking an axe to what is , he's taking an axe to what is, ironically, the most unifying british value our sense of fairness lock away the violent great, set the police on them. lovely stuff. there's no place on our streets for racism. absolutely. but please do it to all of them. the british people are not stupid. we have eyes. when a police car was overturned and a bus set alight in harehills last month, no police. when gangs of muslim youths roamed around birmingham with weapons, this week, no police. when a man was beaten up outside a pub, his liver lacerated . no a pub, his liver lacerated. no police when journalists were
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chased away to chants of f the jews and their tires were slashed. no police , no finger slashed. no police, no finger pointing from starmer, no use of the term far right either. which bnngs the term far right either. which brings us back to the sieg heil photo. at last week's gaza march, the man raised his arm proud and straight at a group of jews in the background two young women, two anti—racist allies of the same cause, giggle in the video from which the image is taken. are the self—professed anti—racist soon to be. no one challenges him. no one is concerned that the police later did arrest the man was almost certainly at the insistence of those he targeted with his gesture. no doubt they will have had to collect the evidence themselves. certainly it won't have been the doing of the protest organisers. those same organisers are fastidiously turn a blind eye to the continuous and multiple examples of racism that plague their marches. clearly different rules apply here. when a man performs a hitler salute on a palestine demonstration, there is no soul searching. when cranks and islamists smashed the windows of businesses because of some vague
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connection to israel , they are connection to israel, they are said to be protesters, not rioters. for ten months, left wingers have failed to call out the hatred and racism in their midst, and thus the extremes of their group have become emboldened. the super power of being british is spotting baloney and calling it out. it's why we've been the first country to emerge blinking into reality from the madness of gender ideology. the regular people of this country can spot hypocrisy a mile away from whichever group it's coming from . so when the it's coming from. so when the police attempt to justify their different levels of policing criminal behaviour, we should all call it out. when a procession of cars full of islamists drives through a jewish neighbourhood in london chanting they'll rape their daughters and they don't get charged . despite the evidence of charged. despite the evidence of the culprits, we should all call it out. when two men, one white, one not proudly partake in a nazi salute at separate demonstrations, we should all. well, you get the idea , right?
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well, you get the idea, right? let's get the thoughts of my panel. let's get the thoughts of my panel . gb news senior political panel. gb news senior political commentator nigel nelson, journalist and communications advisor linda dooley. and he's not arrived yet, but former conservative mp and farmer neil pansh. conservative mp and farmer neil parish . hello. thank you so much parish. hello. thank you so much for being here on time. >> hi. i think probably neil neil is driving down the m4 on a tractor . he's taking neil is driving down the m4 on a tractor. he's taking him so long to get here. >> so how are you both? we're good.thank >> so how are you both? we're good. thank you. >> i don't want to speak for you, but i am. you seemed good earlier on. yeah. >> cool. well, thank you so much for being here sunday evening. it's very much appreciated. do you have any thoughts, initial thoughts on on my monologue. >> well, i mean, the this whole thing about two tier policing, which, which seemed to be the idea there, there was one that you mentioned, which was the guy getting beaten up outside the pub. now, i think i saw that that was the video i actually saw. i couldn't see any police in that video. so if there had been police there, they'd been standing by doing nothing. yes, i'd have said that's two tier
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policing if they weren't there. i don't know why. i don't know if anyone knows why , but they if anyone knows why, but they weren't they weren't able to actually do anything. and so when it comes to, to the, to the demonstrations, the pro—palestinian marches, i think that the police have a have to work out with 300,000 people marching . what they're not going marching. what they're not going to do is to put public safety at risk. now, i've covered loads of demonstrations and some of them have turned into a riot in an instant. it's a bit like a pub brawl. they come out of, they come out of nowhere. and when that. come out of nowhere. and when that . and so the police have to that. and so the police have to be very careful that what they do is not to actually rage things up. so some of the policing of the demonstrations, as far as i can see, have been along those lines to keep everyone calm. >> i totally sorry , i do want >> i totally sorry, i do want to, but i totally understand that policing is a very difficult thing. i don't do it and i'm very grateful for that, frankly, because i don't have the temperament or the physique. but i just want to say two things and maybe you can respond
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to this. linda is, first of all, i would say that there doesn't seem to be any qualms about how the seemingly they were far right people. they're absolutely the those riots were policed. i'd say. number one there wasn't there wasn't concern of it becoming a tinder thing. the shields were out. but i also would like to say another thing about the lack of police in birmingham, because we know now from a policeman's police spokesperson what he said was we deliberately stayed away because we'd spoken to the community leaders, and that led to then men with machetes on the street and the violence that we saw. so it was a policing decision, a very conscious one that led to that man being hurt. sorry. >> i think what you have to do is try and understand the position of the police right now. so let me say, first of all, straight off the bat that i think the police did an incredibly good job. so you might describe them as authoritarian , but i think they authoritarian, but i think they took a robust position in deaung took a robust position in dealing with this situation. and in instigating swift justice. i think justice had to be done,
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and it had to be seen to be done and it had to be seen to be done and seen to be done quickly. now, i've spoken to several senior police officers this week. they retired, but they retain vast knowledge of the police service and they get concerned about three things resources, money and police officers, men and women. they get very concerned that they've become treated as service operators, which takes them away from the traditional job of policing. and they also don't like the police force being politicised in any way . those politicised in any way. those three things they believe have really neutered the police service in this country and they're missing. they're starting to miss their top band of very experienced officers that have been through the mill, that have been through the mill, that can bring vast knowledge to these situations. so when we talk about the nitty gritty of what has gone on this week, we've got to look at the police force and how they're going to cope, how they did cope, which i think was was brilliantly and how they're going to cope when
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these things flare up again, which will happen, i think, relatively soon. >> i agree some of the footage we saw from southport and to think that was just so distressing, some of those same police officers were involved in what, you know , the incident what, you know, the incident earlier in the week trying to apprehend the assailant that killed the three girls. i guess the issue isn't about the response to those far right riots. i would say the issue that people see in terms of two tier policing is the hypocrisy. when other violent people are out on the streets and not seen to have that similar response. but i think the issue people seeing at the moment, they want to see this being controlled, i'm not saying that what you're saying isn't important, but it's a question of timing. >> what people want to see now is they want to see the police grip the situation, and then they want to see some attempt to address the underlying reasons why it happened. >> and a question of degree, i mean, the riots were the worst kind of worst street violence we've seen since 2011 on the pro—palestinian marches. you
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haven't seen anything like that. they've been largely we have seen nothing like it, nothing like nothing like like you saw in southport or liverpool or various other other towns across britain. so on the basis of that , britain. so on the basis of that, we had proper riots. we haven't had proper riots with the pro—palestinians. >> i've just we've had , you >> i've just we've had, you know, windows smashed, we've had there have been problems. >> yeah, absolutely. >> yeah, absolutely. >> and in terms of just to address your timing in terms of moving on, is that you're right. it is about timing. but there are a lot of people who argue that that there hasn't been that timing has not been there for ten months. and possibly that's part of what's led us to this anyway, let's move on. as the police brace themselves for another week of unrest, britain's top prosecutor warns rioters they could be facing ten years in prison. is the consensus now that maybe we should actually be putting people into prison after all, rather than just letting them out? and with the government adopting an official definition of islamophobia being necessary, legal protection , or a way of legal protection, or a way of quashing any criticism of an ideology under the guise of racism, see you in
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welcome back. the police are remaining on high alert this coming week as further unrest is expected throughout britain following a week of violent clashes and rioting, britain's top prosecutor issued a warning top prosecutor issued a warning to anyone thinking about joining the riots, teasing the possibility of a ten year prison sentence for anyone found to have been involved. it begs the question when will the riots end? what do the police have to do to stop it and with a clampdown on sentencing coming just weeks after the prime minister announced he would release prisoners early to free up space, is the political consensus now that prisons actually do work to help us sort through these many questions, i'm joined by former metropolitan police detective peter bleksley. hello, peter . welcome. >> good evening. >> good evening. >> good evening . so are the >> good evening. so are the riots over ? riots over? >> well, we've had a few nights consecutively now of largely
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peace and quiet. so i think that's to be welcomed. we do, of course, have 6000 police officers with their public order kit, or more commonly known as riot kit at the ready, including their shields and their helmets. they remain strategically placed around the country, ready to respond if there are any more outbreaks. and i think it's fair to say that for the time being, the disquiet is largely off the streets. but until the main issues that so many millions of people feel aggrieved about in this country are actually addressed, rather than all those people lazily and conveniently being tarred with the same far right brush. then, until those problems are addressed, the politicians admit that they exist and do something about it, then i suggest we remain, unfortunately, a nation that is a tinderbox .
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a tinderbox. >> yes. so, you know, we've seen people now starting to go to prison have you seen any particular miscarriages of justice? i mean, look, there are people who definitely deserve to go to jail , but i've also seen go to jail, but i've also seen some pretty tenuous, should we say, crimes . say, crimes. >> well, i've not been in court for any of the hearings. i've been following them from afar. like many other people had done. and i think one has to admit that when the machinery of the state gets into full swing and it comes after you, we've seen recently many examples of just how powerful, effective and swift that kind of justice can be. i'm sure that in the weeks and months to come, there will be people entering not guilty pleas, because thus far , people pleas, because thus far, people have pleaded guilty to get a reduced sentence . and then reduced sentence. and then they've been what we colloquially said , weighed off, colloquially said, weighed off, sent to prison. there will be not guilty pleas in the pipeline. there will be trials,
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there will be challenges to evidence and many , many other evidence and many, many other challenges to the evidence gatherers coming down the pipeline. and when the crown prosecution service say, of course, that people may face sentences of up to ten years, let me point this out. if i may, when i saw what appeared to be people trying to set fire to a hotel in tamworth , i need to hotel in tamworth, i need to point out that arson with intent to endanger life is of course, an extremely serious crime that carries a maximum sentence of life imprisonment. so, yeah, there will be some people who engagedin there will be some people who engaged in more serious disorder and rioting that will get stiffer sentences. >> absolutely. i mean, do you think that sending a message work that it seems to have been working? is that why we have seen, no repeats of the violence that we saw up in southport ? that we saw up in southport? >> i'm sure that the senior
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police officers and the politicians are having their coffee mornings with biscuits and patting themselves roundly on the back for a job well done. and it's kind of difficult to argue against that when the disorder has been brought to a fairly swift end. but just to reiterate my point in a previous answer, if the underlying issues that so many millions of people feel aggrieved about are not even admitted to, let alone tackled in any way, shape or form. and by that i mean, of course , the unfettered migration course, the unfettered migration into britain and the rise of islam and a lack of integration. many of these matters concern law abiding, wonderful people who raise great children and contribute wholesomely to society. so until those concerns are admitted to and addressed, then the disquiet is going to continue. henceforth, i fear that at some point, if we have
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another , what i'll call another, what i'll call a trigger point, another snapshot event that raises the temperature and raises emotions, then i think all this could happen again. sadly. >> yeah. i mean, we've seen sort of, anti—racism process, all these images, it just seems to be those are the protests. they're they don't seem to be protesting against anyone. the far right seems to be. and i'm not saying that they, they don't exist, but they in terms of them being out on the streets in the last few days, at least, they seem to be somewhat of a mirage where you have these counter—protesters out, and no one to counter protest against. >> i don't like lazy labelling of people or groups. and there's far too much of it as far as i'm concerned. what exactly is far right? i'd like somebody to come up with a really cogent, precise and accurate definition because i don't hear any of that . i don't hear any of that. likewise, when people are called far left , what does it actually
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far left, what does it actually mean that. well, i don't know. do you like lentils and read the guardian and then go on pro—palestine marches? they're lazy and i think they're also divisive and not helpful because, believe it or not, i think there are things that unite people on what either side of the political spectrum that is, namely concerns about the state of our public services, the state of our policing, the state of so many people that live unfortunate impoverished lives and more indeed. >> well, thank you very much for joining us, peter. hopefully we'll see you again soon. but in a lighter way. coming up, would the government adopting an official definition of islamophobia be a necessary legal protection or a way of quashing any criticism of an ideology under the guise of racism? but next, as the paris olympics draw to a close today, after successive controversies and stunning victories, has this round the global sporting phenomenon been a bop
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welcome back. now paris has hosted the olympics and their opening ceremony started with the mockery of the last supper. team gb won a few medals more than the last olympics. so congratulations to them. and then two athletes who were banned from competing previously for having no male chromosomes were allowed to beat up women and win gold for their efforts. so have the olympics been a success or a failure? let's go to my panel. gb news senior political commentator nigel nelson and journalist and communications advisor linda dooley . okay. i mean, have you dooley. okay. i mean, have you been watching much of the olympics? i've been watching bits of it that every so often it gets very annoying. >> the bbc, i hadn't watched basketball for years, and the bbc suddenly cut away at the last seconds of a match i was rather enjoying. so there've been irritations there. but yeah, some of the stuff. there are so many different sports coming in now that i didn't know were olympic sports, but quite funny. i mean, the skateboarder,
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i think that 51 should be able to be able to do that. so yeah, i've been tuning in and out and here's a plug for my daughter's school, surbiton high school, >> lola anderson was in the quad that won the gold medal. so and i'd watched her row since she was 12 or 13. my daughter rode in an eight with her, so i was just ecstatic when she won. and they won. i think by that much. it was a tiny amount and they only pulled ahead in the last yard. it was just so breathtaking. >> you win a gold and then you're sorted for life. yeah. do those, do those talks. >> you can never you can never take it away from the person. they will always be that gold medal winner. well, relating to your daughter, how would you feel if she was competing against biological males? well, i probably would try and stop it happening. i think it's a complete outrage. i mean, the way i understand this situation, the two boxers, one is from taiwan and one's from algeria . taiwan and one's from algeria. both have the male chromosome. in fact , they have something in fact, they have something called developmental. we don't
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know that . well, we don't know know that. well, we don't know that. but i think that this is what we will find out. yeah. so they've got dsd. they do have developmental. >> i don't know that either. but the problem with this with this whole thing is. yeah, well ais are ais won't give you your test for testosterone, but the epa did do a test. >> the epa did do a test. >> the epa did do a test. >> they've been discredited. >> they've been discredited. >> no, no, no, they haven't been discredited. they've been discredited. they've been discredited because they're not because of the testing and the and the testing because the testing wasn't discredited. and the box. well, it was no, the boxes have had the opportunity to, to challenge that and didn't do that . this is after their do that. this is after their initial qualification last year initial qualification last year in the world. >> but the but the test is in question. they had a press conference on monday. no okay. the epa no longer is part of the olympics anyway because they're having a spat with the ioc. yeah, but at the moment they put out two different versions. one is that the test was a chromosome test. the other is it was a testosterone test. they
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haven't explained how the tests were done. what kind of procedures went on, and the labs that they went to were for anti—doping , not for testing. anti—doping, not for testing. >> that is true. it wasn't a specialist laboratory. but let me say this. i think it's going to come down that we discovered that these two women i'm going to put put money on it. now, do have developmental sexual disorder, and they do have a particular strand of this which is called five ard, which means that to all intents and purposes, they were born looking like little girls, but they had male testes inside them. now that goes for these two. and a very famous athlete called, i always get her castor, castor and mina. yeah. so so. and in 800 yard races, it's important because caster semenya could run miles faster. well, so much faster than women because they've been through male puberty. their muscles are more dense, their bones are more dense. everything happens because they have those male
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testes inside them to put them ahead of women in the 800m, i'll just say this very quickly. males are between 10 and 12% ahead of females in boxing, it's 162% ahead of females. now in terms of punching power, i mean, it's asking for trouble. >> the assumption they are men . >> the assumption they are men. >> the assumption they are men. >> and i think we're going to find out they've got x chromosomes. >> okay. how about this then. if it's uncovered when it is confirmed that they do have this dsn and they are biological males, what then should they have competed? should they have their gold medals taken away? >> if it turns if it turns, turns out that they were biological males. yes. you're right, they should, because that's what happened at the world championships at the and the iba did exactly that. the point here is that it's so much more complicated. the science is not absolute. on this. so for instance, you can have a y chromosome and still be a woman. >> no you can't, you can. >> you can. i'm sorry, but you
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can. >> but i've listened to a scientist today who has said, no, no , once you've got a no, no, once you've got a y chromosome in the mix , you will chromosome in the mix, you will go through male puberty. that's as i understand. >> it doesn't make you a man, but it makes you . but it makes you. >> but it makes you. but hang on a minute. this is the issue with the testosterone, obviously, which is what the point is that once you've got a y chromosome, you're going to have to go through male puberty. that's the point. once you go through male puberty, you've got denser muscles, denser bones, you've got a longer stride. i'm not saying that you shouldn't do something about it. >> what i'm saying is that the whole thing is much more complex than i mean, you you start the process with, these were women competitors. the ioc rules made them women competitors. yeah. the ioc allows international sporting bodies to decide who should compete. so you're turning u turn upside down the whole olympic system. >> i think you have to win. >> i think you have to win. >> it's a matter of the ioc to be making those kind of judgements. yeah. and then when you get when you get that far, what judgement do you come to if
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these if these are women, they should be allowed to compete in women's events. >> if they have, if they don't have a y chromosome. >> well no, no, no i'm sorry i again because it's so complicated. the y chromosome isn't the be all and end all of everything. >> it is complicated . and you >> it is complicated. and you say that the tests are complicated. the reality is they're not. it's a very simple cheek swab that has existed for a long time that that the ioc used to carry out and no longer do. it's a very simple thing for them to establish whether these people are, you know, me, but not you know, me. >> i would say always, you prove something, something's an allegation. we've got to go through this. but i've become increasingly angry as the days have worn on about this, just because of the danger these women are in now. okay, if there's controversy, it's put a pause and start investigating it and get on top of it. for some woman is slapped in the face and dies. >> no, i agree with that. that it may may well be if these tests were carried out properly
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and the findings were as both of you are suggesting now, they should not have competed . should not have competed. >> i yeah, i agree, i understand that it seems like the failure and i think we can all agree on this is with the ioc for not carrying out these tests. >> that's what sharron davies says, not for not carrying them out. >> but but from now on they would have to change their rules. and the other alternative had been after the international boxing association parted company with the ioc, not have boxing in the olympics at all. that was one one option that the olympics were faced with. and they weren't going to do it in 2028. yeah well, let's move on to a slightly lighter issue . to a slightly lighter issue. >> it's going to eat it here. it's actually going to be a little boxing fight here. now i, i'm a man with a friend. i mentioned this in the break. now i understand you haven't seen the break dancer ukrainian female dancer. we have the clip. this is my favourite part of the olympics, let's see her in action. >> going across .
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>> going across. >> going across. >> well, i mean, the thing was, that reminds me of last night being a little bit wasted. yeah, that was another .uk. wait for that. yeah. >> so what do you make of that? that's pretty funny. >> it is, it is. »- >> it is, it is. >> it's very funny. and as you say, is it genuine? i mean, this is what people don't know. is it a great joke? >> she's saying that she has a phd in, in physical movement or something like that . yeah. and, something like that. yeah. and, she says those are all her own moves. i hope so, but there are question is, did she sort of take the olympic committee for a ride and just get a free trip to pans? >> was she the only australian breakdancer? >> i believe so competitor? >> i believe so competitor? >> yeah. yeah. >> yeah. yeah. >> so she wasn't competing against anybody else. >> and i like to say she was definitely a woman. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> so she wasn't competing against. >> well, the way that it works
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is you don't see from that clip. >> but there was someone from another country who they sort of dance off against each other. right? this was her response to his movements. >> and she got the gold. >> and she got the gold. >> no, she didn't get anything, i don't think. >> no, she got, zero point. >> no, she got, zero point. >> i mean, if you saw the guy that won, it was really remarkable . i people have said remarkable. i people have said to me all week, oh, should breakdancing be an olympic sport? and you think, oh, should it, shouldn't it? and then when you see him, it's so extraordinary . it's like looking extraordinary. it's like looking at the floor exercise in gymnastics on steroids. it's incredibly difficult to do. i mean, you know, i'm getting on a bit now, but i think i could almost do some of those moves. >> i know it's, it can be in los angeles in 2028. >> no chance. i think we all could. >> we actually did. didn't we see a gold someone 51 year old. >> yeah. gold. >> yeah. gold. >> what was that? that was that skateboarding. >> the skateboarding. skateboarding. skateboarding. great. so it just shows that. yeah, it's never too late. no. >> my favourite bit also there was the, the turkish shooter. i don't know if you saw the shooter. >> oh he was great. >> oh he was great.
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>> and he was just like yeah right. and it's sort of fag and mouth. >> he was like someone who just walked out of the pub with a gun.andi walked out of the pub with a gun. and i thought, yeah, that's it, i'll go and do that now. that's fine. >> is there an american golfer who's been criticised for smoking on the course? >> she goes around with a cigarette in her mouth and sort of hands it out. did you see? i haven't seen that one. >> no. >> no. >> yeah. i think i actually really, really like the anarchist olympics, aren't they? but i really liked it. there was a lot of criticism of the opening ceremony, but i did really like it. people thought it was a bit sort of out there, but i did kind of respect the french for making paris the scene the centrepiece of the whole. it was weird. yeah, but i quite liked it. i liked that horse going up. the seine. yeah and i like celine. celine dion, the architecture and the beauty of it was fantastic. >> but the clips of the bits of the last supper . the last supper. >> yeah, it was just a bit of bleak. >> yeah, well, it was a bit of bleak. >> and also, i just thought it was a bit trashy. >> yeah. i thought that was. i mean, it was very hard to, hard
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to beat beat us in 2012. yeah. yeah. which was an absolute i thought we'd, we'd mess it up. i couldn't believe we'd do a decent opening ceremony. no, it was very good and it was fantastic. >> i think the thing is that you have to do these opening ceremonies and indeed closing ceremonies, in a stadium really, because that's the way you control it. i think there was a queen celebration where they tried it all out on the river, and it was supposed to resemble some sort of venetian boating scene. and the heavens opened. it poured with rain. do you remember? and everyone was drowned. >> rishi sunak denouncing the election. >> yeah, that's exactly the same. including this woman's choir that was on a boat. they were all drowned like rats in the middle of the thames. and the middle of the thames. and the thing is, you just can't control the river. and you can't get enough control when it's not actually in the stadium. it was actually in the stadium. it was a brave move, and i must say i had had a pleasurable evening, but it wasn't as good as 2012. >> let's see what happens in the next four years. coming up, would the government adopting an official definition of islamophobia be a necessary legal protection or a way of quashing any criticism of an ideology under the guise of racism and political unrest in bangladesh has led to targeted attacks on hindus, leaving at
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least two dead. but where is the outrage from our media? see you in
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welcome back. political unrest has flared up in bangladesh following the fall and flee of their long time prime minister, sheikh hasina, leading to targeted attacks on hindu minorities in the country. with at least two reported to have been killed . fatalities been killed. fatalities resulting from unrest in asia and the middle east have been at the forefront of the media for a considerable time. so why have we heard so little about these? i'm joined now by the founder of the global conservative coalition, sunil sharma . first, coalition, sunil sharma. first, can you please and first, thank you very much for joining us can you please and first, thank you very much forjoining us and you very much for joining us and welcome. can you please give us some background to what's going on here? >> yes, sure. i think with regards to this, i think it's really important to understand the context of bangladesh and to go very quickly over , what the
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go very quickly over, what the past, what the past is, because the past has not left the present in terms of bangladesh. so bangladesh was formed in 1971, and during this their process of being independent, we saw, something called operation searchlight, where we saw top pakistani military forces essentially going into bangladesh and trying to stop the bangladesh nationalist movement. in that process, they killed more than 3 million bengaus killed more than 3 million bengalis and raped and tortured more than 300,000 women. they were all largely of hindus, hindu descent, hindu religion. and that is was widely condemned across international commissions who looked at that as an example of an operation looking to either exterminate or forcefully move all minorities essentially out of bangladesh. and that's something that is, they were reasonably successful in the sense of the hindu population since 1971 has drastically decreased. it was around 28% at the time of independence. today it's 8%, christians , buddhists
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it's 8%, christians, buddhists were around 2%. they're now less than a percent. so again, the largely the operation was largely the operation was largely successful. and what they tried to achieve. but this is something as i say, it's been going on for more than 50 years. obviously what we will talk more about this in terms of this context, in terms of how it's flailed up. but there is a reoccurring theme here. and i think the reason why we're not heanng think the reason why we're not hearing much about this on the news is simply we cannot criticise bangladesh or countries like bangladesh or pakistan, and the reason is, is they've become extremely effective in terms of their counter attacking methods. you know, whether it's intimidation of terms of violence or playing this sort of oppressed, victim. and i think with those two options, it's very difficult for media outlets to have the confidence to report on these sorts of things. the times that they will report on bangladesh and pakistan is when they they are the victim, and very rarely will they be able to have the courage to call stuff out, like dislike. and i think what makes it even worse in terms of the west, a lot of the liberals is we, when i say we, i mean the
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liberals, they look to almost, protect victims and they become the protector of these communities. and so unfortunately, that means whether it's hindus, christians, jews , buddhists, they will not jews, buddhists, they will not be in that category . and i think be in that category. and i think that's why we simply just don't really care about minorities in bangladesh or pakistan. if it be hindus or christians. >> what we're seeing now, of course, is social media clips coming out now. people who are engaged online will have seen some pretty horrific, video evidence to my mind, bringing, to light some of what we saw on october 7th in israel, radical islamists , attacking women, men, islamists, attacking women, men, it's horrible stuff. >> yeah. i mean, it's that's the beauty and power of social media, one that i know there's been a lot of talk about in this this week in terms of negativity, but this is one of the brilliant things about it, i think why we're talking about it today is probably because of social media, and it's something that, you know, i know what's happened with sheikh hasina, the
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prime minister, to flee the country. and, you know, lots of talks about her quota system that she tried to re—enact a policy. but the harsh reality is this has been going on for a considerable amount of time. it's been ignored. it's really unfortunate, sad that it's got to this stage and it's got so violent and it's got so, people are dying, but i think it's brilliant that we're actually raising attention on it. i think it's amazing. gb news has the courage to talk about it as well, because a lot of channels simply won't do it. it's not fashionable. it's not it's not the socially trendy thing to do to be attacking a country like bangladesh and what's going on there and countries like that. >> has there been any response from the international community, >> little to none , but that's >> little to none, but that's not surprising. that's not unsurprising. you know , they, unsurprising. you know, they, dunng unsurprising. you know, they, during when we talked about when i talked earlier in 1971 when we saw the decline in the hindu population and the christian population, un member states came out and said that they would reject calls of genocide being occurred. now, in hindsight, you could probably argue it was very close to a genocide. so there hasn't been a widespread talk of it in the international community. but i think that's largely in some
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regard in the hindu community. christian community needs to do a bit more vocal. i think they're fearful of the going out there and publicly saying these sort of things because they know the counter attack methodology is so strong within those groups that there is a, i think, a bit of a fear to speak out against it. well, this is it. >> i mean, the hypocrisy that we see in and you mentioned genocide there. and of course, that's that's one of the main claims against israel, who is fighting a war that didn't start and has the lowest civilian to terrorist ratio , casualty ratio. terrorist ratio, casualty ratio. yeah. that's a you know, that's called a genocide. but something here or today you saw someone like owen jones, the left wing, cultural commentator, talking about pogroms , in the uk, but about pogroms, in the uk, but not talking about posting about what we're seeing with our own eyes. actual pogroms, actual ethnicities, targeted , murdered ethnicities, targeted, murdered because of their ethnic. >> it'sjust because of their ethnic. >> it's just not it's not the socially trendy thing to do. and i think the reality is that the
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your own jones's these , these, your own jones's these, these, these liberal sorts of people, their job these liberal sorts of people, theirjob is to go out there and protect victims. and what we what we now perceive as a victim is, is not necessarily the same definition you and i have of victim. if you can show that you've been oppressed, if you can show that over a long period of time, that's the most important thing rather than the hard core facts. the facts are there and they've been there for a long time in bangladesh. we've chosen to ignore them and very, very quickly. >> what can we do just of, you know, can we just talk about this, get this stuff out there? >> i think just talking about it, doing what you're doing is amazing. just raising awareness for it. i think it will only highlight some of the issues. we need the international to community stand up. i think bangladesh being such close proximity to india and india obviously being the largest population of hindus, we will naturally that would be the sort of like safe haven for those those, for that population. but i think raising more awareness about it and talking about it more is the only way it will help. >> hopefully we'll start something. thank you so much for coming in. coming up, i'll be asking political firebrand ann widdecombe about the pm's slump in the polls following uk riots. and just what is he going to do
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now? he's made a new nemesis in elon musk. but next, would the government adopting official definition of islamophobia be necessary legal protection or a way of quashing any criticism, including racism? see you after the weather. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers sponsors of weather on . gb. news on. gb. news >> hello. welcome to your gb news weather update from the met office as we go through monday. it's going to be turning increasingly hot and humid for some of us with the risk of thunderstorms in the northwest, but it will be turning fresher later. looking at the bigger picture, we've got an area of high pressure across the uk. further towards the west, a deep area of low pressure and that's helping drive south easterly winds. so through the rest of this evening, many places staying largely dry. but as we go through the night we'll see the risk of thunderstorms developing firstly in the west, but then across northern ireland and parts of scotland later and we have got some weather warnings in force, so expect
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frequent lightning, torrential downpours and some gusty winds and temperatures overnight. well, it's going to be feeling quite uncomfortable some places not dipping below 20 degrees. now as we start monday morning we have this band of heavy thundery , showery rain across thundery, showery rain across western parts of scotland, moving its way north and eastwards so there could be some difficult driving conditions in this, with frequent lightning as well and some torrential downpours. northern ireland turning drier as the day progresses and across much of england largely dry but cloudy further towards the west and already feeling quite warm by 8 am. so as the day progresses that band of rain will continue to push its way north and eastwards . some thunderstorms eastwards. some thunderstorms even ahead of that as well, so they can't be ruled out completely across the south. but many places should largely miss these many places. seeing some hot sunshine, especially across the south east. it's going to be feeling very hot and humid with highs of up to 34 degrees, but fresher further towards the west
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>> good evening. welcome to ben leo tonight with me josh howie. the government seems to be on the brink of adopting an official definition of islamophobia following this week's horrific rioting. but would such a ruling be a legal protection or a way of quashing any criticism of an ideology under the guise of race? and
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i'll be asking political firebrand ann widdecombe about the pm's slump in the polls following uk riots. and just what is he going to do now? he's made a new nemesis in elon musk. plus tomorrow morning's monday's front pages hot off the press with my panel neil parish, linda dooley and nigel nelson. strap yourselves in britain. let's do this . this. a busy hour to come. but first, the news with sam francis . the news with sam francis. >> josh, thank you very much . >> josh, thank you very much. and good evening to you. 10:01. the top story tonight . the king the top story tonight. the king and the queen have sent their warmest congratulations to athletes from team gb and the commonwealth for their outstanding successes at the paris olympics. the prince and
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princess of wales have also called great britain's athletes an inspiration, as the 2024 games come to an end tonight. in a video featuring snoop dogg and david beckham, william and kate have praised everyone involved means loved ones from all of us watching at home. >> congratulations to team gb. >> congratulations to team gb. >> well done on all you've achieved. you've been an inspiration to us all. >> short and sweet. well, great britain finished with 65 medals, one more than in tokyo 2020. bryony page and alex yee, who both won gold, carried the british flag into the stade de france tonight, which you can see there as lights flash and hundreds and thousands of people gather for that closing ceremony. paris now hands over to los angeles, who will be hosting the games in 2028. just hours before tonight's closing ceremony, there was an unexpected security scare in paris as a man was spotted climbing the eiffel tower. if you're watching on television, you're watching on television, you can just about make out here. that man, the shirtless climber scaling the iconic
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landmark some 1000ft in the air. it prompted french police to evacuate the area. some visitors were also briefly trapped on the second floor, but were safely escorted out shortly after . escorted out shortly after. here, hundreds of people have been attending the funeral of alice dasilva aguiar, one of three girls killed in an attack in southport two weeks ago. two white horses wearing pink and white horses wearing pink and white feathers carried her coffin in a carriage into the service at saint patrick's church in the town and during that service, a tribute to the nine year old from her parents was read out by her uncle. the nine year old died alongside b.b. king and elsie dot stancombe during a mass stabbing at a dance class two weeks ago. meanwhile, the justice minister has said that the fallout from recent riots triggered by that southport stabbing is, she says, going to be felt for years. shabana mahmood says it will hold back the labour government's efforts to fix the justice system , which was justice system, which was already facing a massive backlog
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of court cases and dwindling space in prisons. it comes as today a 15 year old boy has become the first child to be convicted for his part in violent disorder in sunderland , violent disorder in sunderland, the education secretary says children will be taught how to spot extremist content and fake news online in the wake of those riots. bridget phillipson said she is launching a review of the curriculum in both primary and in secondary schools to arm against what she called putrid conspiracy theories. it comes as sir keir starmer, prime minister, has suggested the government will review social media laws as more sentences for onune media laws as more sentences for online offences linked to the riots are expected in the coming days. riots are expected in the coming days . turning to the us and joe days. turning to the us and joe biden has spoken publicly for the first time about why he decided to step down from the presidential race. speaking on cbs sunday morning, the us president said he didn't want his position to become a distraction and claim the main focus for the democratic party now should be making sure the former president, donald trump,
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doesn't return to the white house. and finally, banksy's latest artwork, a police box transformed into a fish tank with piranhas, has appeared near london's old bailey. it's the seventh animal themed piece, the elusive street artist has claimed so far this week, and it sparked a flurry of interest, quickly becoming a new attraction. but plastic barriers were swiftly put up by the city of london to protect the installation, preventing fans from posing inside authorities say they're exploring ways to preserve the artwork, and art experts say people will have to decide for themselves what they think it all represents . those think it all represents. those are the latest gb news headlines. for now, i'm sam francis, your final update at 11:00 for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone , news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code, or go to gbnews.com >> forward slash alerts .
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>> forward slash alerts. >> forward slash alerts. >> in a week of authoritarian responses from our new government to the shameful violence of last weekend, including people being sent to jail not for being part of a riot, but merely observing one from the sidelines. plans for social media companies to be forced to ban legal but harmful content. guess who will get to decide that? and the crown prosecution service posting a threat to those partaking in onune threat to those partaking in online violence? misnomer if i've ever heard one. perhaps the scariest development has been given least attention. it emerged that our government is considering adopting an official definition of the term islamophobia. the labour party has already accepted the definition internally , as drawn definition internally, as drawn up definition internally, as drawn ”p by definition internally, as drawn up by the all party parliamentary group on muslims, part of which states islamophobia is rooted in racism and is a type of racism that targets expressions of muslimness or perceived muslimness. to which i say, what
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a crock. let me be clear anti—muslim bigotry is very real. we saw it last week in attacks on a mosque, and it needs to be condemned and called out. but prejudice and hatred expressed towards a group doesn't make it racism. when that group is not bound together by an ethnicity, but rather an ideology in this case, that ideology in this case, that ideology is a religion and british people , as do other british people, as do other countries in the west, have anti—blasphemy laws specifically anti —blasphemy laws specifically created anti—blasphemy laws specifically created to allow to us criticise and make fun of religion. any religion the right to do so is one of the founding principles that binds our modern liberal democracy. where does that fit in, then, with not being able to target expressions of muslimness or perceived muslimness? criticise a joke about the hijab. you're a racist. criticise homophobia in the quran. you're a racist. in 2019, neil basu, a former uk counter—terror chief, warned the
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definition could allow terror suspects to legally challenge investigations. aka if law enforcement stops an islamic terrorist. you're a racist. and this is exactly what those who created this term intended, invented by iranian clergy in the late 1970s, popularised in the late 1970s, popularised in the 90s by the muslim brotherhood, the islamist forefathers of isis, and their mission to a state based on shana mission to a state based on sharia law. their intention was to deliberately muddy the waters, conflate the religion with those who follow it, and ultimately use western ideals of fairness , equality and fairness, equality and anti—prejudice against us. so that any criticism of islam. let me remind you again an ideology automatically makes you a bigot. some of those critical of the term islamophobia focus on the phobia element that it's okay or understandable to be phobic about islam. my problem with the word is the term islam. just the
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same as if someone was trying to establish the term juda phobia or christophobia. if this government wants to adopt an official definition of prejudice and hatred directed at actual people at muslims, then of course, why not? it sounds like a decent idea , but call it a decent idea, but call it anti—muslim bigotry . call it anti—muslim bigotry. call it muslim phobia if you want that wouldn't destroy our society. but not being able to criticise any element of islam, a religion, an ideology would. i'm a jew, an ethnicity, and i also follow the belief system of my people, judaism, a religion. if you want to criticise the jewish religion, fine. questioning is a central tenet of judaism. questioning doesn't threaten our belief system. it reinforces it. it strengthens it. you want to take the mickey out of moses, get behind all the jews who've done exactly that . i know less done exactly that. i know less about christianity, but i do know that fortunately, the days of banning the life of brian are oven of banning the life of brian are over. jokes about jesus could be part of any stand up comedian set. a satirical picture of
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jesus in a magazine wouldn't elicit christian extremist gunman to storm their offices and murder 12 people while shouting jesus is great! merely showing that picture of jesus as part of a lesson about blasphemy. would it make a teacher in the uk go into hiding with their family for the last three years, fearing for their lives ? now, even making this lives? now, even making this comparison, we have enough for some to cry. islamophobia. it's not all muslims . you're being not all muslims. you're being racist. no, i'm criticising an ideology, an ideology which since 1979 has been used to justify over 50,000 terrorist attacks worldwide. that's 50,000 manchester arena bombings. that's 50,000 nova festivals on october 7th. that's 50,000 potential catastrophes like what could have happened this week at a taylor swift concert in vienna. so which is it? are all these incidents related to an ideology , or is it connected to ideology, or is it connected to the ethnicity of those who carried out the attacks? because it's blaming the latter that
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sounds pretty racist to me. and i should point out that by far the highest majority of victims of those 50,000 terrorist attacks were muslims. and so it should also be pointed out that the term islamophobia was also created as a response to the fear of liberal muslims and feminist muslims to silence muslims questioning the quran , muslims questioning the quran, questioning homophobia, questioning homophobia, questioning the treatment of women to shut down those who want to leave, to prevent reformation and prevent maturity, change and growth. of course, every religion has its nutters, its extremists. but i have a theory . at 3500 years have a theory. at 3500 years old, judaism is the middle aged man or woman of the abrahamic faiths. we've been around a bit. we're not going anywhere. we don't mind being challenged. we've seen it all before. new at 2000 years old, christianity is younger but confident of their place in the world, has been through some big changes, but is continually growing, changing, adapting islam is 1400 years old in comparison. a teenager, it hasn't had a meaningful
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reformation yet. that's not to say it's better or worse. just as an ideology. it's younger, newer, a bit more sensitive, and as such, criticisms even taking the mickey, which i'd argue is a fundamental british value, are taken the threat as such, is it any surprise that reactions can sometimes manifest not as a debate nor shrug of the shoulders of someone secure in their belief system, but rather violence? muslims being able to criticise islam, joke about their belief system is a sign of self—assurance and maturity. criticism. debate even humour all healthy to an ideology. the term islamophobia threatens to shut all of that down. i believe that would be bad for muslims, and i believe that would be catastrophic for our western liberal democracy . let's get liberal democracy. let's get some thoughts from my panel here. we go. heading over. we have a special guest who's
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arrived. you're nigel and linda , arrived. you're nigel and linda, but thank you so much. here we have former conservative mp and farmer neil parish. what do you have to say for yourself, neil? >> yes. >> yes. >> seeing as i'm late and got caughtin >> seeing as i'm late and got caught in the traffic on the motorway for an hour and a half. yes. i mean, i'm inclined to agree with you. i think we've got enough rules now. and i think if we are, if anybody is targeting muslims, then i think there is laws to actually see to that. and i think by making this new law, if the labour party does decide to do it, i think it will, what i worry about is the sheen will, what i worry about is the sheer, sheer law. and is that is this this is this trying to bnng this this is this trying to bring it into this country? i think that's what everybody worries about because we're we're a democracy that believes in having free speech. and this is against it. >> what do you guys have any particular strong feelings about this? i mean, nigel, in terms of i don't have a problem with a law to address anti—muslim bigotry. for me, it's the
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terminology that's the problem. >> yeah . okay. and i think you >> yeah. okay. and i think you identify one of the problems there that if you bring in the, this definition, that was the all party group on, british muslims that came in in 2019. the trouble with that is that it does what you say it does, that it might shut down any criticism of islam as a religion . it's of islam as a religion. it's also it also, would be in conflict with the equalities equalities act because racism is based on, nationality, colour and ethnic origin . so it is and ethnic origin. so it is problematic. however, that doesn't mean you shouldn't have it. so as far as i can see that the problem that that you face is one, in fact, that the international anti—semitism definition also faced, which is where you have the difficulty about how far you can criticise israel before that becoming anti—semitic, although that is judaism or sorry, being jewish
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is an ethnicity. >> so it's slightly different. >> so it's slightly different. >> it's important to remember that islam is a religion practised by muslims and people get those definitions terribly mixed up. we need to concentrate on clarifying this situation and i don't think bringing in this term is maybe helpful. >> i think that we've got a preference of terms that might not really. >> i think that we've got laws in this country, laws of blasphemy, laws of slander, laws of libel. i think we can use those existing laws to deal with this . but i those existing laws to deal with this. but i think those existing laws to deal with this . but i think this this. but i think this discussion isn't necessarily helpful. >> i think also that we are we do like to have humour in this country, and we do take on various religions, don't we? and i know people who've come to see i know people who've come to see i love, i love, i love, i love jewish humour, for instance, especially about jewish mothers in particular. and like i said, there's lots of jokes about that . there's lots of jokes about that. but i think, you know, it's absolutely key that we are able to still be able to do that.
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now, we don't want to commit offence, and i know perhaps it's probably easier sometimes to offend the muslim faith than it does seem to be. >> christianity. >> christianity. >> very good about taking a joke from the paris olympics when the drag queens recreated the last suppen >> yep , yep. no, they weren't >> yep, yep. no, they weren't the vatican objectives. >> elon musk objectives again. >> elon musk objectives again. >> but they ejected. >> but they ejected. >> but they ejected. >> but did it. it didn't lead to violence, which it could. you know where we have seen death threats against the teacher for example, showing the head director director who did that received death threats. >> and he's had to tweak tonight's tonight's closing ceremony to try and make it less offensive than his opening ceremony, >> but i think, you know, the end of the day, we are still got the freedoms to be able to say about christian faith and jewish faith, any religion. and i think i think this is the problem. and i think this is the problem. and i think, you know, we i think in this country under many governments, we're too quick actually to bring in extra
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legislation when very often it's actually enforcing the legislation we've got. i mean, all these problems that we've had, you know, with attacks on mosques and all of these things, i mean, that needs to be dealt with very strongly. but you don't need a new law for that. you need to enforce the laws that we've already got. >> the feeling was we needed we needed a new definition of anti—semitism, right, to deal with that. which is why i'm saying that while this is the wrong definition, it doesn't mean we should. >> you shouldn't try for one. >> you shouldn't try for one. >> yeah, well, if anybody wants to watch an excellent muslim comedian, i'd recommend shazia mirza. >> she's hilarious. now gb news senior political commentator nigel nelson, journalist and communications advisor linda dooley, and former conservative mp and farmer neil parish. thank you very much. coming up, tomorrow's morning's monday front page is hot off the press with my panel i've just introduced, but next i'll be asking political firebrand ann widdecombe about the pm's slump in the polls following uk riots. and just what is he going to do now? he's made a new nemesis in elon see you in two.
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welcome back. sir keir starmer's response to the riots has been met with relentless derision from an unlikely nemesis, ex—ceo elon musk. while saying all that together, the prime minister suffered a slump in the polls since the unrest broke out after many believe he has a double standard when it comes to law and order shedding. his captain hindsight title for two tier. keir. joining me to discuss the pm's woes is former government minister and reform uk spokesperson ann widdecombe. hello anne. how are you? hello. >> i'm very well, thank you. hope you are too brilliant. >> so have you seen this poll that this is based on then? >> i haven't seen the poll but it doesn't surprise me at all, first of all, he hasn't tackled the very fundamental issue which gave rise to the riots in the first place, which is the complete absence of any control of immigration and especially of
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illegal immigration. he had no policy in place when he took over as prime minister. i mean, to be fair, it has only been a few weeks. >> it doesn't matter. >> it doesn't matter. >> just been a very long time to plan for that. >> i believe they have implemented some stuff, whatever. >> i'm sorry. >> i'm sorry. >> may i finish? sorry. >> may i finish? sorry. >> yes, of course . >> yes, of course. >> sorry i did say he hasn't implemented anything. i said he hadnt implemented anything. i said he hadn't got a policy in place when he took over as prime minister having known from what the polls were doing that he was going to be prime minister and be in government . now, we all be in government. now, we all knew what he didn't want . be in government. now, we all knew what he didn't want. he didn't want rwanda. we all knew that that was his clear as day. the big question was so what was he going to put in its place? that was the big question. and thatis that was the big question. and that is where he's utterly failed. so he hasn't convinced anybody that he's that he's in control of it. the second thing is the two tier argument, and
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that he's very fierce about some forms of demonstration and not about others. so i'm not surprised that his popularity has slumped, it's very early days, so let's see how he responds . responds. >> yeah. i mean, do you think then it is the response to the riots that's partly led to us? the interesting thing is that the suggestion has been that he actually hasn't been tough enough. and that's why his popularity has declined. >> well, i mean, i think you're going to get it from two sides. when you say he hasn't been tough enough, what hasn't he been tough enough on? i mean, i think the one thing that i would say that he's got. right, so actually it's been down to the police and the courts and the justice system, but at least we've had swift justice. we've had very firm justice. i mean, it hasn't been weak, but i, i'm a bit puzzled, you know, if it was possible to get all those people through in record what's still going on, of course. and a record degree of time . and it record degree of time. and it was possible to send people to
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prison . what exactly has been prison. what exactly has been the problem, with sending people to prison, when they've done other things and what has been the problem with this huge queue for justice, which apparently, we can now jump, you know, come on, come on. so the courts that extra hours. well, why wouldn't they sit extra hours? and to deal with the post covid queue, l, deal with the post covid queue, i, i don't follow this at all. >> well, i mean arguably it's about allocation of resources. but of course you're right. i mean there is a danger of letting people dangerous people out of prison, more dangerous people necessarily than the people necessarily than the people that they're putting into prison. that's obviously a danger as well, just one another question, if i may, yes. obviously, the priority of the government has been to stop any further violence. we haven't seen, though, really anything at all from keir starmer, trying to
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address, as you've mentioned, the underlying issues in terms of migration. i'm not talking about policies, but just so that i think people feel heard , i i think people feel heard, i think that's that's probably right, >> and i but i do think it's wrong to give keir starmer the credit for the end of the riots. i think that goes to the ordinary british person, you know, and we saw a rebellion, what i call the rebellion of the decent, and i think that that , decent, and i think that that, that, was what had the most impact rather than any policy that was enacted by keir starmer. >> okay. and of course, now elon musk has become involved. he's really jumped into uk politics with, two feet. do you think he's correct? have you been seeing his unrelenting messages and attacks on keir starmer? >> well, he has his own inimitable style, as do you , inimitable style, as do you, anybody anybody can you know, criticise keir starmer, anybody can criticise the government, anybody can criticise any individual policy. this has been
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a bit focused, but you know, for heaven's sake just arms politician, he can surely deal with it can't he. it's politician. it's not some shrinking violet somewhere. >> well do you think that, you know having elon musk as a political enemy can, can damage keir starmer at all, >> he's i mean, elon musk is a very powerful man, and there's no doubt at all that social media is itself very powerful and can be very, very damaging, to any government, so there's no doubt that it's a situation that keir starmer might prefer to not have, but i can't believe it's beyond his wit to deal with it. if he is, heaven help us. >> yeah, well , you know, i hear >> yeah, well, you know, i hear that keir starmer is a massive fan of this show. do you do you have a message for him about his next steps? >> yeah. keir, just get us a policy on immigration. will you? just get us a policy? >> what would you do then ? >> what would you do then? >> what would you do then? >> well, what i said before the general election, which was, first of all, we would stop the
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boats, but secondly, some would get through. that was quite inevitable, and we would practice detention and secure reception centres for all new asylum seekers, and that has been my policy. not recently. that's been my policy since 1999, when i was fairly fresh out of the home office and had seen it all at first hand when i was the immigration minister. >> and, well, i was just thinking what i was doing in 1999 and let's just say i had more hair and spots, i guess. anyway thank you so much for joining us. and, your reputation precedes you, and you have absolutely delivered, today. so very nice to meet you. coming up next tomorrow morning's monday. front pages. hot off the press with my panel, neil parish, linda dooley and nigel nelson. and in the last word label civil sue gray versus keir starmer. we'll bring you the
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next. >> hello. >> hello. >> now it's time to bring you tomorrow's news. tonight, the very first front pages have just been delivered and we are going to go, first of all to the daily mail . no more to go, first of all to the daily mail. no more rioting in the name of our little girl. and, yeah, it's, heartbreaking . the yeah, it's, heartbreaking. the times knock down prices for greenbelt to build on. the daily express exposed junior doctors plot to cripple nhs again. metro danced to heaven, little princess and finally the daily star. the 35 c french fry. so let's start talking here, about the daily mail. no more rioting in the name of our little girl. i mean, it's heartbreaking. it. i mean, it's heartbreaking. it. i mean, it's heartbreaking. it. i mean, what's so incredible is that these two little girls were murdered . murdered. >> it must be less than two weeks ago or about two weeks ago now. and the fact of the matter is that because of everything we
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saw, those parents and those families have barely had the space to grieve. plus, the whole community needs to grieve, and they haven't had the time to grieve either. so i think that this, you know, this front page is exactly right. it's about time that we put a very big headune time that we put a very big headline on the sorrow and grief of that family. yeah, absolutely. >> i couldn't i couldn't agree more because i think, you know, they're going through i mean, you lose a little girl like that when they go to, you know, to a dance class. i mean, it is just, unbelievably horrible. and i think, you know , the rioting think, you know, the rioting that then happened, it blew it out of all proportion. and i think we lost sight , really, of think we lost sight, really, of the huge tragedy. and i think that must be what the parents are feeling. and, of course, you know, so many people in this country do behave well. you get the thug element in whoever are rioting. and we certainly had it this time. and i think they must be feeling awful about it. and i think, for goodness sake, i'm just i think we should just say to everybody, for goodness sake,
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calm down, because this is crazy, because these families have been so start respecting those families. >> yeah, i agree with every word of that . of that. >> no, no, of course, so do i. and, i just yeah, i just it's just beyond horrible, let's move on to something that we can argue about, so we have knock down prices for greenbelt to build on. this is in the times. this is councils are going to have compulsory purchase powers. this, of course, is the labour policy. build build, build. let's get some houses up. what do you think about this though? compulsory purchase powers. >> well, i mean, that's the only way of actually doing it. and so i can understand what they're up to. i think that the that reforming planning laws are going to be labour's biggest challenge over the next five years. people are going to object to finding a wind farm at the end of their road, or a big housing estate next door, so i can understand how difficult it is on the other side. on the other hand, if you don't do it, you're not going to reach your target of 300,000 homes a year.
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it's the target. the government, the previous government kept missing. so it's important to do this and to call it greenbelt is not quite right. it's greenbelt. it's things like it's things like car parks that have been designated as greenbelt. but actually that's what it is. it's not it's not beautiful meadow fields or anything like that . fields or anything like that. >> i think it is as well, because i think you'll find the developers have certainly got their eye on a lot of greenbelt as well. i also think you've got to get the planning rules right, because you have to take everything to appeal. basically, you're going to have real no local democracy anymore and you won't be able to compulsorily purchase anything until you've got planning permission, because you can't say the council can't come along or the government and say we will. compulsory purchase my land, for instance, will be much easier. >> it will be easier, it will be eafien >> but i still think people will challenge those decisions. they will, i mean, having been a local, but you won't be able to drag it out. yeah, but they i still not i mean i wish labour well and i do say this in
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sincerity with this because i sat on a planning committee for, for 12 years as a local councillor many moons ago, and the amount of people and since then people have been able to object more and more and i think it does need to be curbed , but it does need to be curbed, but you will have to have some form of democracy because otherwise it will all be down to inspectors in bristol or london or wherever they're based, to make a decision which will affect local people. >> so one example key to it, one example i've got is close to where i live in richmond in a place called mortlake. on the thames. there has been a very prestigious and big plot of land that's been due for development since 2012. 12 years later, ground has still not been broken. it just goes round and round in the city. >> so that's land banking and that's the kind of thing that you need to stamp out. >> and also where you've got land locked land as well, because very often when you've got a piece of land, you may have somebody an owner that either won't sell or it could be a family dispute. >> so that's where compulsory purchase will definitely help.
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but but i am not convinced by the speed of all this because i think you know well it's speed. it's time. it will speed it up speed, but it won't go anywhere near as fast as the government. >> that's what kemi badenoch that's the point she made in her speech to angela rayner. let's move to on x faces axe from tech's anti—terror group. so this is because x, has been revealed as being the top platform for hosting hamas videos. it seems like the global internet forum to counter terrorism seeks to remove that content from that. this is a free speech issue. the argument, of course, i imagine that elon musk would make would be that there is somewhat of a public service having these images. there is somewhat of a public service having these images . we service having these images. we met earlier and we talked about, the images in bangladesh, and it's the getting out of these, these, these tragedies, this terrorism that then alerts people to what's actually happening to a degree. >> but i do think now that elon
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musk has gone way, way , way too musk has gone way, way, way too far, he's the world's richest man. he's got this platform totally under control. and he can post whatever he wants under the banner of free speech. but free speech has to be guarded carefully. and there is a line that you have to draw before free speech starts to incite racial hatred and an affray and inciting an affray in this country carries, i was told this week by a senior policeman, a life term. >> yeah, but but sorry just to point out this, this is footage from terrorist attacks. >> the argument that that would incite racial hatred. that's i would disagree with i mean, this is that that's like sort of going, oh, we've got a there's an old, norm macdonald joke about won't any i won't go into it here, but the point is, you know, free speech is free speech. who is actually being protected? >> i think we do need to protect, but it is limited. >> i mean, the whole thing is it's always free speech is never is never an absolute free. free
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speech carries with it a duty of being responsible. so an awful lot of things that we take for granted are a contravention of free speech, that contempt of court laws to ensure fair trials. we think that's important. libel laws to stop individuals being defamed. we think that's important. so when it comes down to what appears on social media platforms, that is publishing and because it's publishing and because it's publishing and because it's publishing and it should be, it should be under the same sort of restrictions that publishers. >> i agree with that. but i guess the difference is here is this is different between sort of , this is different between sort of, incitement, racial incitement, as opposed to arguably the news of what's going on, events that i think parliament will need actually, on this instance will need to put even more legislation in place on this one, though normally i'm arguing against that. >> but seriously, i think it does. but i think we do have to protect free speech. but there is a case of it going too far and they should be able to take
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these platforms down. you should be able to stop individuals. and that's where you know musk. so let me say must take some responsibility. >> well, he probably won't. but this aside this aside, the law says when you're well well that's still questionable. but this this story aside here, there's a whole concept that we're discussing now. and actually, when you're publishing like, like nigel and i were once young trainee journalists , and young trainee journalists, and young trainee journalists, and you start, you start, you learn, you start, you start, you learn, you do a training program, you do indentures like i did or whatever . and you do indentures like i did or whatever. and you learn that when you write copy, it's seen by the news editor. the subedhon by the news editor. the subeditor, maybe the stone sub, maybe the legal department, etc. there's all sorts of checks that go on with the copy that gets published. there's nothing here. it's like the wild west. >> well, but if we're talking about video footage or anything events though, that's the that's the difference. that's the primary. >> but they can be manipulated. >> but they can be manipulated. >> they sources of evidence. but they can be manipulated. >> they're not checked. they're not verified in the way that we were used to. and you see, this is the problem with the social
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media platform, is there is no checks and balances. >> there aren't any. and that is a problem. >> unity notes. now there have been a lot of evidence that then that that is making an impact. i'm just going to have to disagree with you guys. but thank you. >> thank you for arguing again. >> thank you for arguing again. >> thank you for arguing again. >> thank you for arguing. making me feel stupid, >> anyway, let's let's go on. >> anyway, let's let's go on. >> so you still argue 3 to 1? that's right. >> yeah , >> yeah, >> yeah, >> daily express exposed junior doctors plot to cripple nhs again. we actually saw this last week as well with the british medical association, one of the, one of the leaders of the of the junior doctors, basically saying we're going to wait until labour are on the outs a little bit and then we're going to hit them up for more money. this is straight away. after getting a 22% pay rise, i mean, i think the problem is that labour have come in and rightly or wrongly, they've given the public sector quite a lot more money. they had to actually do it. they had to. >> but you see the trouble is now they're seen as though they are a soft touch. and so therefore they will keep coming back for more . and i think that
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back for more. and i think that will be the problem that labour will be the problem that labour will have . i think in some ways will have. i think in some ways they had to settle it. but i mean, what we don't want do we, is for the junior doctors to take this money and then strike again, and then you seem to have trouble with gps as well. now, i mean, in trying to get to see a gp, you know, you you can't get past the doctor's receptionist. you, you know, you can see anybody, a nurse , a clinical anybody, a nurse, a clinical practitioner, anybody. but actually try and see a doctor. no, actually, what you get now is a navigator. >> you get a navigator when you call up and they navigate the system at your gp practice, there was a there was a cartoon when the labour came in and the new policy on immigration and stopping people coming is to put the doctor's receptionist on the border, and then nobody would get. >> and i mean, i really did, i really did like that cartoon. i thought that was exceptionally good because the most simple ones are the best. but, you know, seriously, this is a real problem. and i think people have got a lot of sympathy for the
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health service. a lot of sympathy for doctors and nurses, but they will not have sympathy if they carry on this strike when they've been paid a reasonable amount of money. and i think that's where people start to draw the line. >> the argument, nigel, is that that that junior doctors wages haven't actually got back to the 2008. yeah >> that's right. i mean, they put in an original pay claim of 35%, and that was based on the fact that they've lost money in real terms over the years . so real terms over the years. so they're trying to get that 35% back now, they've got their 22% that that is aa2 year deal. i wouldn't expect this to come up again for another two years, by which time there will probably have had another pay rise anyway, because public sector workers will get one and they'd be close to the 37%. well, this is why i think i'm not sure. i believe the story is basically my point. >> well, i think that the emails were released this week that from the head of the junior doctors, i think now you're talking about it. >> yeah. i think nigel will just
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have to wait and see, won't we? >> i mean, you could be right, but the trouble is, there is a real militant tendency within the junior doctors. and once they've had a taste for striking, they might carry on. i hope they don't. well, we'll see, but that that's that's it. >> i'd just like to say to my bosses i want a 35% pay rise. >> we're all being paid at all fast. >> moving on. next we have, welby wages into the rioting and labour civil war. sue gray versus keir starmer will bring you the details
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next. this is ben leo tonight with me josh howie only on gb news. it's time to return to the liveliest pay per time to return to the liveliest pay per view show on telly, apart from the one in a little bit and more front pages have been delivered hot off the press. first of all, we're going to go to the daily telegraph. we
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have cooper uk has lost respect for police, so this is the idea that people are out rioting because they're not afraid of any consequences. what do you think about that? >> well, that's exactly why. why they made sure there were consequences and quick ones. i mean, the whole point of what keir starmer has done is to act like the prosecutor he was, as well as being the prime minister he is. and he knows as a prosecutor from 2011, when the last riots took place, that swift justice, lots of publicity. that is the way to stop people . so that's what stop people. so that's what yvette cooper is talking about here, that they are showing the rioters that there are consequences and they're swift and they're severe. >> but the police but but yvette cooper also has to support the police. yes. by driving more resource and more numbers into the police force to do. yeah. so we well, the proof of the pudding will be in the eating. we have to see that happening more often, and we have to see it happen quite quickly. >> and we do have to make sure too, that we do support the
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police as well, because, i mean, the police chiefs have been making the point that we've got to make sure that politicians of all persuasions do actually support the police in their roles, because when it comes to deaung roles, because when it comes to dealing with something like this, you've got to have a strong police force that can take action against rioters. and i think sometimes now if there's a problem, it's always the police that are in the dock. now, i'm not saying sometimes it's not the police's fault, but i think it's always we've got to support the police. are wrong. i think we've got to be sure that when we need the police, they are there and they do get our support. >> i just wanted to say that i think that the images of the police that a lot of people have been used to over the last few years have been police, dancing, police partaking in all these other things. >> and also people have seen and the reports have come out, just the reports have come out, just the numbers, the statistics of the numbers, the statistics of the lack of crimes that have actually been solved by the police and investigated. so i'd say that that as, as equal part of the but also when it comes to something like this, this is where you actually need a strong
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police force that can take action. >> and i think this is probably a good time to sort of reinforce the fact that we do have to support the police . the police support the police. the police also have to behave properly. we get all that and they do have to solve more crimes. but we also have to support them in times of crisis like this , because, you crisis like this, because, you know, they are on the front line. they're the ones that are getting, being kicked and booted around, they're the ones, you know, look at the videos the other day of all those police being beaten up, at the airport. and, i mean, it was a, you know, a real problem. and yes, the police overreacted . we get all police overreacted. we get all that. but at the end of the day, if you're being abused all the time, you know, there is an element of sympathy we need to have with the police. >> the police support the police are there to police. the criticism from senior police officers that i have spoken to is that they've been turned into service providers. people that deal with issues of wellbeing and mental health. and some of them go out . they used to go out them go out. they used to go out with the mental health nurses and things like that. they should be defined about what they do and what they need to do
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is policing. >> and if you go out with your local police in the evening, you'll find that they are. i mean, much of what they're doing is social work. i mean, it's fine. >> that's exactly right. >> that's exactly right. >> but if you want them to police, they need the police. and we need to have people there to help those that need help from social services. otherwise it's the police that are doing it's the police that are doing it right. >> it's time now for the last word. and is labour's machine already imploding? today's telegraph reports that some of the pm's top advisers are at war with his chief of staff, sue gray accusing her of thinking she runs the country. is the new administration already in trouble? we're joined now by the director of popular conservatives, mark littlewood. hi mark, i wonder what your opinion is going to be with you . opinion is going to be with you. thank you. so what do you what are you saying? what do you think? >> well , think? >> well, basically colour me unsurprised. josh this is what happened at the last general election . the labour party ran election. the labour party ran on a ticket of saying absolutely nothing other than that the conservative government was divided, incompetent , useless.
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divided, incompetent, useless. and if you wanted to get rid of them, vote for us. i think that's fair enough. no coherent and cohesive message or philosophy really. behind the new labour government other than, i would argue, to sort of double down on some of the mistakes we've made over the last 20 years. a bit more tax, a bit more regulation and a bit more spending. so i think what we're likely to see are rather vicious fights in number 10 downing street. the story here in the telegraph is that sue gray is moving morgan mcsweeney's desk. morgan mcsweeney's desk. morgan mcsweeney , one of keir starmer's mcsweeney, one of keir starmer's key aides, sort of, in my mind's eye, it's sort of each week, mcsweeney's desk is moving a further yard away from the prime minister, a kind of extreme, a kind of, in the thick of it episode, isn't it about it? >> isn't it a sort of in the thick of it episode? >> yeah, it does seem like that. and it doesn't seem there's anything ideological at stake at all. josh, it's not that they disagree about ukraine or or how to handle the riots. there's no great overarching statecraft
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really here or any big philosophical divide, they're all part of the blancmange of the labour government. and i think it's likely to get pretty vicious pretty quick. so these are just a few straws in the wind. but you know what? i don't think it will be very long before a few bales of hay in the wind, frankly. >> well, exactly. well, who do you think keir starmer is going to side with? what do you think? because i believe he doesn't. he really hates this kind of politicking . powerplays and politicking. powerplays and whatnot. i think he it's frustrates him. right. is he just going to chuck them both out or what. >> yeah, that's a really interesting question. i don't know what's inside keir starmer's head sufficiently to know it, but you're probably right. josh he's probably got to pick a lane and fast either back one of them or neither of them. i think it's unlikely that he's likely to persist with the two of them for much longer. if these sort of reports keep making it into the national media. >> brilliant. well, thank you very much for joining >> brilliant. well, thank you very much forjoining us. mark littlewood, what does our panel think here? what do you think of these reports? i mean, it's quite early in the day to be heanng quite early in the day to be hearing this kind of.
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>> yeah, i mean, power struggles in downing street aren't unusual. sue gray is effectively the gatekeeper for keir starmer, which means she decides who he sees and when he sees them. so it's a very powerful position. >> i mean, everything i know about uk politics, i know from watching the west wing, yeah, i think that when you enter the thick of it is actually much better. >> the thick of it or even yes, prime minister is actually a good, a good, a good sort of thing where it becomes, it becomes a real problem is when the big, the real big boys disagree. back in the tony blair and gordon brown days was an example where they really did do damage because of the feud they were having . when i went to it, were having. when i went to it, went to number 10 parties. gordon's people would be at one end of the room, tony's at the other, and i had to run in between if i wanted to speak to them. that is actually damaging to the nation, but not can i just ask nigel sue gray is, she's a former civil servant and i think she's very she's seen to have a lot of integrity and she will fight her battles very strongly. >> but a certain point, i think she wouldn't historically have the stomach for the kind of
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conflict that this might build into. >> i suppose it depends on what somebody else is trying to do to her. but the important thing is it's her function, which is to protect the prime minister at all costs and decide exactly who he sees. >> but you see senior political advisers, they always sort of vie for position, power corrupts. they think their functions absolutely. and they will be in there trying to get as much power as possible . as much power as possible. that's what it's always been that way. and i suspect there will be a little bit of a scrap. i suspect it will be sorted, it could be bang together. it could be just paper talk. who knows? but i think these things happen because , you know, there's a lot because, you know, there's a lot of adrenaline. and every other type of thing going on in number 10, because there's a new government, we've had all the riots recently, all of these things. so i imagine quite a lot of tension. and i suspect it'll bed in, especially in this penod bed in, especially in this period of time. starmer might decide to just sort of knock their heads together and say, stop it. i would have thought that would be the best instance. rather than fire them all, i hope you never had your desk
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moved. >> thank you very much. my panel >> thank you very much. my panel. nigel nelson, linda dooley and neil parish ben is back friday from 8:00 pm. next up, it's headliners. thank you for joining us. good night. forjoining us. good night. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar, sponsors of weather on gb news >> hello. welcome to your gb news weather update from the met office. as we go through monday, it's going to be turning increasingly hot and humid for some of us, with the risk of thunderstorms in the northwest, but it will be turning fresher later. looking at the bigger picture, we've got an area of high pressure across the uk further towards the west, a deep area of low pressure and that's helping drive south easterly winds. so through the rest of this evening many places staying largely dry. but as we go through the night we'll see the risk of thunderstorms developing. firstly, in the west, but then across northern ireland and parts of scotland later. and we have got some
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weather warnings in force. so expect frequent lightning, torrential downpours and some gusty winds and temperatures overnight. well, it's going to be feeling quite uncomfortable some places not dipping below 20 degrees now as we start monday morning we have this band of heavy, thundery, showery rain across western parts of scotland moving its way north and eastwards so there could be some difficult driving conditions in this , with frequent lightning as this, with frequent lightning as well and some torrential downpours. northern ireland turning drier as the day progresses and across much of england largely dry but cloudy further towards the west and already feeling quite warm by 8 am. so as the day progresses that band of rain will continue to push its way north and eastwards. some thunderstorms even ahead of that as well, so they can't be ruled out completely across the south. but many places should largely miss these many places. seeing some hot sunshine , especially across hot sunshine, especially across the southeast. it's going to be feeling very hot and humid with highs of up to 34 degrees, but fresher further towards the west
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as we go through tuesday. still warm start in the south and east, but bright elsewhere . then east, but bright elsewhere. then we have another band of rain moving in from the west, so turning increasingly cloudy with outbreaks of rain for many across western areas. sunshine and showers behind that, and that sets the scene through wednesday and thursday with unsettled weather on the way but turning fresher as well. by by that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers sponsors of weather on gb. >> very good evening to you.
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you're with gb news. up next headliners. but first a look at the top stories. just after 11:00 and we start in paris. the king and queen have sent their warmest congratulations to athletes from team gb and the commonwealth for their outstanding successes at the paris games .
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outstanding successes at the paris games. the outstanding successes at the paris games . the prince outstanding successes at the paris games. the prince and princess of wales have also called great britain's athletes an inspiration. tonight, as the 2024 games come to an end in a video featuring snoop dogg and david beckham, william and kate praised everyone involved. >> greetings loved ones from all of us watching at home. >> congratulations to team gb. >> congratulations to team gb. >> well done on all you've achieved. you've been an inspiration to us all. >> well great britain have finished the games with 65 medals. that's one more than they secured in tokyo 2020. bryony page and alex yee, who both won gold, carried the british flag into the stade de france this evening. paris is now handing over to los angeles, who will host the games in 2028. here, hundreds of people have attended the funeral of alice dasilva aguiar, one of the three girls killed in an attack in southport two weeks ago. two white horses wearing pink and white horses wearing pink and white feathers carried her coffin in a carriage into the service in saint patrick's church and during that service, a tribute to the nine year old
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